BEAT-LIST JULY 1995 PART 2

and compiled by Persal(?) P??? something. These are small stories and

meditations that are really great.

Enjoy,

Matthew

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From: "Frank Beacham (via RadioMail)" <beacham@RADIOMAIL.NET>

Subject: Re: The Desolation Angels

FYI: Kerouac's original teletype roll manuscript for OTR is now on display

at the New York Public Library in New York City.

Frank Beacham

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:52:54 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: _dharma bums_ / ginsberg

>timothy--

>i haven't read clark's bio of kerouac (yet). what did kerouac say

>about the catholic parts being edited out of _db_ by cowley? what sort

>of things had kerouac included? it seems to me that catholic myth/ritual

>etc. would have given the book a broader range or greater depth

>(in the joe campbell sense of comparative mythologies). most

>interesting. hm. . . .

>claudia

I don't know. It was a one line sort of thing. It said that kerouac

complained Cowley took all the catholicism out (in a qutoe that I cannot

remember verbatim) and also that he would never write another potboiler

again (also a quote). Each quote was referenced, but that was all there

was on the subject.

I agree with your point of view that it would have made the book richer. I

think we can look at Tristessa and Visions of Gerard to get an idea of what

it might have been like if these parts hadn't been edited out.

Tim

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From: Bruce Greeley <v-bgree@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject: Re: OTR teletype roll

Comments: To: jrodrigue@VNET.IBM.COM

I just joined this list....

In a brief news segment anniversary on the New York Public Library

recently on t.v. , they mentioned (and showed) this sacred On the Road

original teletype roll housed in the archives there!!

someone check it out for me!

- Greeley not Creeley

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From: Joseph Rodrigue <jrodrigue@VNET.IBM.COM>

To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: OTR teletype roll

Date: Thursday, July 06, 1995 6:02PM

> From: "Stedman, Jim" <JSTEDMAN@NMU.EDU>

> I seem to remember once hearing that Desolation Angels contained material

> originally hacked out of the OTR teletype roll manuscript ... Does anyone

> know whether the roll still exists? If so, where is it housed?

I read a passage from the roll once ... it was quite different from OTR as

published. I can't believe no one has tried to squeeze money out of

publishing the original roll. It would be fascinating reading.

As for the person who was talking the other day about Kerouac never revising

-- get in touch with me. I've got a bridge for you.

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: OTR teletype roll

The OTR scroll is in the care and keeping of the Berg Collection of the

New York Public Library. Yes, it was on display during the same period as

the Kerouac Conference at NYU at the beginning of June. Incidentally, the

NYPL will be the repository of the Kerouac archives as they are

cataloged, etc. and already contains a bunch of stuff.

Mark Hemenway

mhemenway@s1.drc.com

Co-Editor "Dharma beat" the magazine of all things Kerouac, and

Chairman of Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

Join us in Lowell, MA, 4-9 October for the Eighth Annual Kerouac Festival

"Everyone comes home in October."

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:51:23 -0700

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From: "Frank Beacham (via RadioMail)" <beacham@RADIOMAIL.NET>

Subject: OTR Roll Still on Display

The Kerouac scroll of OTR is still on display (at least it was last week)

on the third floor at the NY Public Library. According to info at the

exhibit it will soon be copied using some high quality duplication process

due to its deteriorating condition.

There was also a mention among panelists (on a publishing panel) at the

recent Kerouac conference at NYU of the possibility that a fascimile OTR

scroll that's an exact replica of the original might be published in the

near future. From what was said such a publishing project is under active

consideration but not certain by any means.

Frank Beacham

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From: "Stedman, Jim" <JSTEDMAN@NMU.EDU>

Subject: Re: OTR Roll Still on Display

In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of THU 06 JUL 1995 01:51:23 EDT

Jack told Steve Allen that the manuscript was typed on a teletype roll,

and that it took three weeks to write. From memory, I think the exchange

goes something like this:

Steve: Three weeks??? How long were you on the road?

Jack: Six years

Steve: I was once on the road for three weeks and it took six years to

write about it.

Jim Stedman

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 16:05:37 -0400

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From: "Mark S. Gordon" <ab797@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject: Racist/sexist projection in The Subterraneans

I think the debate over the allegedly sexist or racist nature of The

Subterraneans is misguided and exemplary of the mindset which condemns

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn for its use of the "N" word.

Let us admit that Kerouac was a product of his times and his background as

first generation white American. Like many other white people, then and now,

he romanticized the culture, personalities and even bodies of African-

Americans. Who can help but chuckle when they read his paean to the

"happy Negroes of America" in OTR? We know that African-Americans aren't

all that happy all the time. Why should they be? They're just people and

people aren't typically elated, to put it mildly. Kerouac was

romanticizing them, objectifying them in a way, because his experience

of their lives as actually lived was so meager. Also, he was pining to

be anything other than what he so drearily was at that moment: a white

man. It's the same with Mardou. She is strange to him. Alien. He can't

imagine what it's like to be inside her skin and so he concentrates on the

part of her that is different from other women he's known: her hair, her

cheekbones, the color and texture of her skin. This is entirely natural.

Which of us who has had an intimate relationship with someone of another

race hasn't felt the tingle of the exotic, that almost intoxicating

fascination that comes from close proximity to someone so attractive and

yet so physically different? If you claim otherwise, I say you're a liar.

You just didn't write honestly about it, as Jack did. Most of us who

persist in these relationships soon find that the object of our affection

is indeed no different than we are on the inside. People are just people,

after all. But there is power and mystery in physical differences. The

problem today is how to express that mystery without some moral cop writing

you a ticket.

Sexism is a much greater problem in Kerouac. It's clear that he was nearly

misogynistic in his views toward women, views no doubt reinforced by

heterosexual cads like Cassady as well as homosexual

Mark S. Gordon

"If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself." -Dylan

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 14:59:57 -0700

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From: Jeff Questad <questad@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: To flame or not to flame

This observation could just as easily apply to almost every list or

Usenet group I've looked at in my short time on the Net. And applies to

pretty much every other Net group more than it does here, where I've

found most everyone to be sweet and generous.

Alot of Net users are gregarious and bold, the anonimity of the

situation empowering them to say whatever they feel. The same freedom

that allows a self-taught person to converse with an academic

encourages some people to attack others simply because they can. I'm

afraid a couple of my friends who helped with my setup before I got on

line I now recognize are of this type. They like to attack others,

belittle them and mock them. I guess most of us have never felt free

to walk into a room and laugh at the first person who opens his mouth.

For some reason this is very exciting to some people.

I haven't seen it happen here, but I know most of us have experienced

it in one form or another because there is a distinct fear of flaming

between the lines of many of the posts on BEAT-L. Statements that

begin "This is just my opinion PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME" show this fear.

I think most of us are gentle souls looking for friends and no matter

how "safe" the internet is, nobody wants to be jumped on for stating

his opinion. I think most of us think harder than we should have to

about what we post out of fear of an individual or group reacting with

harsh and painful words. Or more often, "if I disagree with this

person, will he/she think I am trying to hurt them".

This is an aspect of on line life I don't expect will change, but I

would state that I joined this list recently thinking it a literary

discussion group. And it is, but how far can it go if we are afraid to

critisize or be critisized. If I make a remark and you know or believe

differently, I would welcome a response. I also hope to be able to

debate without hurting someone's feelings. I'd add that even more than

being afraid of flames, we are afraid someone will think our gentle

remarks are malicious and we are scared to disagree.

I make these comments not in response to anything on this list other

than three or four postings that contained emphatic apologies in

advance.

And I realize one of the main ways to get flamed is to write an overly

long message. But I'm not apologizing. Responses of all sorts welcome.

Jeff Questad

Austin, Tx

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 20:23:16 -0400

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From: Andrew J Schwartz <schwrtz@MAGICNET.NET>

Subject: Re: To flame or not to flame

burn baby, burn.

or to be more specific:

"Whee. Sal, we gotta go and never stop going till we get there."

"Where we going, man?"

"I don't know but we gotta go."

-Jack Kerouac, On The Road, page 238

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From: THE WORLD IS ITS OWN MAGIC <952GRINNELL@ALPHA.NLU.EDU>

Subject: Re: To flame or not to flame

jeff--

i think flames differ from genuine disagreements about the content

of someone's message. i have no problem with arguing my point(s)

and exchanging ideas. how else will i be able to learn, if not

by being exposed to different opinions? i might not agree with

all of them, i might reject some of them completely, or i might

see truth(s) in them. but every exchange gives one an opportunity

to construct knowledge a bit differently (not to groove in the

same old constructs for all eternity).

the problem comes when people attack the writer of the message, rather

than the message. i have been on lists where the usual reply

to post was something like "you moron, you have no idea what you

are talking about; let me show you the real truth!" well, that's

unkind and unnecessary, and leads to those flame wars where positions

get so entrenched that genuine inter-change is impossible.

the culmination usually is some type of heated name-calling, in

which the person with the biggest four-letter vocab wrestles

everybody into submission. it's fun to watch for about a day

or two, and then the delete button becomes my best friend.

i try to write my messages and responses with the realization of the

inherent buddha-nature in every sentient being, but at times,

due to the nature of this medium, words can obscure meaning

and intention . . .

claudia

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From: Michael Bertsch <mbertsch@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>

Subject: Re: To flame or not to flame

In-Reply-To: <950706221829.6ae8@ALPHA.NLU.EDU>

I am the Buddha known as the Poster.

Michael Bertsch

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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:35:13 -0400

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From: "Mark S. Gordon" <ab797@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject: Re: To flame or not to flame

I've been on the net for about six years and have been involved in many

a flame war, particularly on the Usenet newsgroup sci.skeptic where, if

you even suggest a belief in God, you invite mortal combat. My experience

is that flame wars are just a big waste of time - all heat, no light.

Regrettably they are also a tool used by some cowardly souls whose only

power resides in the ability to post relatively anonymous text.

Whenever my comments are in direct response to someone else's, I always

include a flame disclaimer, not because I fear retribution, but because

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. If people want to come after me,

they're welcome to, but I won't come after them.

Mark S. Gordon

"If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself." -Dylan

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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 09:08:57 -0500

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From: Kristen VanRiper <pooh@IMAGEEK.YORK.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: flaming?

I guess I'm a little dense, or the flaming has been private among other

readers, but I haven't read anything in this list that I would consider

to be flaming. I've seen honest opinions, maybe some emotional

responses, but certainly nothing that I would take personally. In fact,

the messages I received this morning all appeared to say the same

thing...this is an open forum and we should all respect the rights of

others to voice their opinion in a dignified manner. It's what I enjoy

most about this list. Personally, I'm not afraid of other people voicing

opinions that are contrary to my own, I am just not used to exposing my

soul to strangers (even to people I love dearly) so I tend to be shy

about intense subjects. I don't get angry when people close their

minds...it makes me sad. Intolerance is rampant in this world; I'd like

to think I found a place to be free of this disease. Peace to all. Kristen

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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 06:41:22 -0700

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: back to spontaneous prose

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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

Creator of Literary Kicks, the Beat Literature Web Site

URL: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

Please preview my new Web project, Queensboro Ballads

URL: http://levity.willow.com/brooklyn/

"How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?"

-- Pink Floyd

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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 00:23:12 GMT

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From: Simon Okotie <simon@OKOTIE.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject: Re: summary

Dear All

Thank you, thank you, thank you, whoever put this list together (was it you

Brian?). I first read Kerouac at that time when I'd just left college and felt,

from the comfort of my own back garden, that I could do anything. He continues

to inspire me to go further and deeper, like no other writer has done or will

do. I recently kicked in my job and am now 'freelance' which is a lot to do with

the way this 'crazy dumbsaint of the mind' has affected me over the years.

Brian wrote:

> Another interesting thread has been the Zen connection to the Beats

> (critical appraisal's of Dharma Bums; Gary Snyder's work), and through it some

> important observations and challenges concerning the way we perceive "the

> Beats"--as a historical period or a way of being/frame of mind and spirit that

> continues (maybe both).

Yes, I think it is a historical period which is particularly relevant to now,

although I can't quite put my finger on why. I feel it's a lot to do with

disaffection for traditional economic and political (in the widest sense)

processes, and the greater array of opportunities that so many of us are lucky

to have when compared to our parents' generation. Coupland's novel 'Generation

X' sums this up well, although in a much less accomplished way than Kerouac's

work; it frees the spirit in the same way that OTR does.

Simon Okotie

North London

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'Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.'

W B Yeats

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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 13:17:09 -0700

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From: Jeff Questad <questad@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Burroughs and 3rd mind

I suspect there are alot of us on this list who are writers and who

have taken inspiration from the Kerouac and Ginsberg. Is there anyone

who has read Third Mind by Burroughs and Gyson and perhaps done any of

that kind of writing?

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:44:53 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: kerouac movie

In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:01:16 -0700 from

<beatnik7@IX.NETCOM.COM>

On Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:01:16 -0700 Thomas DeRosa said:

>latest rumors i've heard from levi asher (literary kicks, web page) is

>that coppola is directing it, not gus van sant. another rumor is that

>dean will be played by sean penn and sal will be brad pitt. all this is

>rumor so you didn't hear it from me. check out lit. kicks beat news for

>more info than i can remember.

>i just subscribed to this list yesterday and i must say i am impressed.

>its so great to find others who are into the beats. five years ago i

>really had to search for their books, now they're all over. should we

>send the gap a thank you note?

No need to worry about spreading rumors. This info has appeared in print in a

number of publications including Time or Newsweek.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 11:28:35 -0400

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From: Ed Zahniser <Ed_Zahniser@NPS.GOV>

Subject: Re: _dharma bums_ / ginsberg

Comments: To: Win Mattingly <GMATT1@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

The Contemporary American Theater Festival in Shepherdstown,

WV (July 5-23) is doing John Lipsky's play "Maggie's Riff"

about Kerouac & his looking back on his first love in

hometown Lowell, Mass. For information call the festival at

304-876-3473.

These are equity actors, and they do a good job with the

play.

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From: Raymond Holloway <urhollow@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Are You On Our Mailing List?

In-Reply-To: <950705145645_25814261@aol.com>

Ray Holloway

770 N. Halsted Suite 420

Chicago, IL 60622

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:57:30 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: eli wilentz obit

I was very pleased to find so much traffic on the list when I returned from vac

ation. I also found that Eli Wilentz, co-owner of the legendary Eighth Street

Bookshop and publisher of the Corinth Press which published Kerouac's Scripture

of the Golden Eternity, among others, had passed away. For anyone interested

there's an obituary in the New York Times on Monday June 26, Section B, page 8.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:33:49 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: The Desolation Angels

In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:37:18 EDT from <JSTEDMAN@NMU.EDU>

On Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:37:18 EDT Stedman, Jim said:

>I seem to remember once hearing that Desolation Angels contained

>material originally hacked out of the OTR teletype roll manuscript. I

>would love to see a release of _that_ manuscript... when TS Eliot's

>Wasteland manuscript was published, I was really drawn in by the notes,

>comments, and corrections supplied by Pound, Eliot, and others.

>Imagine marketing the teletype manuscript as just that, a roll of paper

>(instead of a bound book).

>Does anyone know whether the roll still exists? If so, where is it

>housed?

>Jim Stedman

The roll manuscript was on display at the New York Public Library last week. T

here was some talk about publishing a facsimile of it at the NYU conference las

t month. The roll is in fairly bad shape. If it is published, it will probabl

y be expensive.

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: OTR Roll Still on Display

In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 6 Jul 1995 15:57:09 EDT from <JSTEDMAN@NMU.EDU>

On Thu, 6 Jul 1995 15:57:09 EDT Stedman, Jim said:

>Jack told Steve Allen that the manuscript was typed on a teletype roll,

>and that it took three weeks to write. From memory, I think the exchange

>goes something like this:

>Steve: Three weeks??? How long were you on the road?

>Jack: Six years

>Steve: I was once on the road for three weeks and it took six years to

>write about it.

>Jim Stedman

There's always been some confusion as to what type of roll OTR was typed on. S

ometimes, I've wondered if there wasn't a second roll manuscript. The roll at

NYPL looks like a teletype roll to me -- cheap yellow paper.

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From: Adam Cohen-Siegel Ucberkeley <acohens@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU>

Subject: Re: Burroughs and 3rd mind

Comments: To: BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU

Hi,

I've read The Third Mind four or five times over the years (it's usually

been through academic libraries because it's been out of print for years) and

have in fact done work with my own aleatory texts. I agree with Burroughs

that some conscious manipulation on the part of the author (or assembler) is

necessary to make it worthwhile. The whole point is that there are three

guiding intelligences at work. It's fun to do and one invariably comes up

with stuff that is engaging, hilarious, or creepy. A lot of it is boring too -

that's where the auctorial hand should make itself known. 'rub the words out' i

n all its permutations can get kind of samey, but 'the razor inside. jerk the

handle.' or 'lonesome blue train whistle 1920s etc.' fit the bill (no pun

intended) nicely. i think it's a terrific prose technique and deserves a

place in the palette of any writer.

adam cohen-siegel

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From: Fred Bogin <FDBBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Organization: Brooklyn College Library

Subject: Digest option

A number of people have asked about receiving Beat-L as a digest rather

than individual postings. Easily done. Just send the following message to

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That's all there is to it. Should you want to receive individual postings

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:27:04 -0500

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From: JoAnn Ruvoli <jruvoli@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU>

Subject: Diana DiPrima

Has anyone read anything by Diana Diprima? What would you recommend? I've

only read excerpts of Dinners and Nightmares.

JoAnne Ruvoli

Loyola University-Chicago

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From: Lesley Reece <lreece01@SCCCED.SCCD.CTC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Diana DiPrima

That's all I've ever seen by her, and I haunt bookstores

quite a bit.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 13:56:44 PST

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From: Lesley Reece <lreece01@SCCCED.SCCD.CTC.EDU>

Subject: Re[2]: OTR Roll Still on Display

I heard it was a roll of shelf paper. I've never seen it.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:00:50 PST

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From: Lesley Reece <lreece01@SCCCED.SCCD.CTC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Are You On Our Mailing List?

Lesley Reece

1521 15th Ave #F

Seattle, WA 98122

Thank you very much.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:02:00 -0400

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From: Daniel Lundy <dlundy@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Diana DiPrima

In-Reply-To: <9506118054.AA805495874@SCCCSTU.sccced.ctc.edu>

Penguin is scheduled to reissue MEMOIRS OF A BEATNIK and also a volume of

poetry LOBA but not until August 1996.

Dan Lundy DLUNDY@penguin.com

Academic Marketing & Sales tel: 212-366-2373

PENGUIN USA fax: 212-366-2933

375 Hudson Street http://www.penguin.com/usa/

New York, NY 10014-3657 " 60 PENGUIN YEARS "

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Lesley Reece wrote:

> That's all I've ever seen by her, and I haunt bookstores

> quite a bit.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:33:47 -0500

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From: JoAnn Ruvoli <jruvoli@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Diana DiPrima

In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950711170040.9420A-100000@panix.com>

I know that Northwestern Univ. in Evanston has a significant amount of

DiPrima material in their special collections, but I haven't had time to

go over there to look at it. I have a feeling it is primarily small

press editions of her poetry. Is LOBA a compilation of her work or a

reprint?

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Daniel Lundy wrote:

> Penguin is scheduled to reissue MEMOIRS OF A BEATNIK and also a volume of

> poetry LOBA but not until August 1996.

> Dan Lundy DLUNDY@penguin.com

> Academic Marketing & Sales tel: 212-366-2373

> PENGUIN USA fax: 212-366-2933

> 375 Hudson Street http://www.penguin.com/usa/

> New York, NY 10014-3657 " 60 PENGUIN YEARS "

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:46:05 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Diana DiPrima

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<jruvoli@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU>

Di Prima is wonderful. I recommend the Selected Poems for a start. Also Memoi

rs of a Beatnik, a pornographic novel/memoir that includes an orgy with Jack Ke

rouac.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:15:50 -0500

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From: Kristen VanRiper <pooh@IMAGEEK.YORK.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: otr

so i'm near the end...and it hits me...hard..dean is no longer just

ranting...there's substance...there's life and it is the road. i get it

now... how misled i was in the beginning...i thought, "how empty" i see

now how wrong i was. i'm gone now.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:01:18 -0400

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From: Norm Carlson <CARLSONN@WMICH.EDU>

Subject: Re: Diana DiPrima

In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:46:05 -0400 (EDT)"

<BEAT-L%95071117515100@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Something slightly different that Diane di Prima did: in

1960, she edited a collection entitled VARIOUS FABLES FROM

VARIOUS PLACES, published as a Putnam Capricorn [paperbound]

Original (for $1.15)....

Norm Carlson

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:50:11 -0500

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From: Scott <kerouac@FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU>

Subject: Re: Diana DiPrima

In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950711170040.9420A-100000@panix.com>

I may be wrong, but I'm sure I've seen Memoirs of a Beatnik at

several bookstores. Not sure who it's published by, though. However,

no, I haven't seen much else on bookstore shelves by DiPrima.

Scott

Yeah. Right.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:39:05 -0400

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From: Lisa Taylor <LisaTMP@AOL.COM>

Subject: DALLAS EVENTS

"VISIONARIES AND REBELS:

AMERICAN LITERATURE AFTER THE ATOM BOMB"

AN EXHIBIT OF THE COLOPHON MODERNS COLLECTION

FIRST EDITION BOOKS FROM 1950-1975

OPENS SEPT. 20 AT SMU DEGOLYER LIBRARY

For press information:

Lisa Taylor, Taylor-Made Press

(214) 943-1099

Release date: July 14, 1995

DALLAS-TX--The Friends of the SMU Libraries will celebrate its 25th

anniversary with an exhibit of selected works from its Colophon Moderns

Collection Sept. 20-Nov. 17, 1995 at DeGolyer Library, 6404 Hilltop Lane, on

the Southern Methodist University campus. The exhibit will be FREE and open

to the public Monday-Friday 8:30 a.m.-5 p.m. as well as during special

events. Call (214) 768-3225 for more information.

The exhibit of over 60 works, curated by SMU alumna Mary Courtney, includes

first editions by Edward Albee, James Baldwin, Saul Bellow, Richard

Brautigan, Charles Bukowski, William Burroughs, Robert Creeley, James Dickey,

Joan Didion, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Allen Ginsberg, Joseph Heller, Robert

Kelly, Jack Kerouac, Ken Kesey, Norman Mailer, Larry McMurtry, Flannery

O'Connor, Joyce Carol Oates, Gary Snyder, Kurt Vonnegut, Anne Waldman and

Thomas Wolfe.

Related events include an opening celebration with Decherd Turner speaking on

"My Literary Dilemma: Too Young To Be Lost, Too Old To Be Beat" on Sept. 20,

the screening of Beat generation films on Sept. 28 and Sept. 29, a benefit

dinner at Michele's on Oct. 2, the screening of Robert Frank films every

weekend in Oct., a panel discussion on Oct. 19 commemorating The Southwest

Review's 80th anniversary, a poetry and music concert on Nov. 8, a

presentation of awards for a student book collecting contest on Nov. 17, and

a reading series presented with the Writer's Garret on Oct. 5, 12, and 26.

Highlighting the literary effort of postwar American authors who made

significant contributions to fiction and poetry, the Colophon Moderns

Collection was begun by the Friends of the SMU Libraries to identify and

collect "those books published in 1950 and thereafter which are judged to be

definitive in establishing the contours of the spirit-soul-mind of man."

Later, the emphasis was changed to "collect writers rather than individual

works, particularly in the fields of the novel and drama, poetry, essays and

criticism. " The writers were selected as those "who have most clearly

contributed to the profile of what man was doing during 1950/1975--his

agonies, goals, disappointments, protests, affirmations, etc." The Colophon

Moderns Collection has grown to include 133 authors, 1200 books, 140

broadsides, 58 periodicals, and 190 anthologies and is now a unique resource

for students and scholars.

The Friends of the SMU Libraries/Colophon was founded in 1970 to help the

nine University libraries maintain their excellence. During its 25-year

history, the Friends have funded over $250,000 in grants to support library

materials, services and operations.

"VISIONARIES AND REBELS:

AMERICAN LITERATURE AFTER THE ATOM BOMB"

SCHEDULE OF FALL EVENTS

For press information:

Lisa Taylor, Taylor-Made Press

(214) 943-1099

Release date: July 14, 1995

OPENING NIGHT RECEPTION/TALK

Sept. 20 6:30 p.m. DeGolyer Library

6404 Hilltop Lane, SMU Campus. Free, donations accepted.

Opening celebration in honor of charter members and former presidents of the

Friends of SMU Libraries. Decherd Turner will speak on "My Literary Dilemma:

Too Young to be Lost, Too Old to be Beat"

FILMS

Southwest Film and Video Archives Sept. 28 7:30 p.m. Screening Room Third

Floor

Greer Garson Theater Building Meadows School of the Arts

SMU Campus. FREE, donations accepted

FILMS ABOUT THE BEAT

Jack Kerouac's Road : Through photographs, archival film footage, interviews

and skillful reconstructions of events, Jack Kerouac's Road traces the life

of this gifted American writer--with special attention to his many

experiences travelling from one end of the US to the other by car--

experiences which he wrote down and turned into a romantic epic. French with

English subtitles.

William S. Burroughs: Commissioner of the Sewers: A portrait of the author

who created Naked Lunch. With his characteristically dry wit and subtle

humor, Burroughs talks about language and other weapons, about the work as a

virus, about death and dreams, about travel in time and space.

Sept. 29 7:30 p.m. Screening Room Third Floor

Greer Garson Theater Building Meadows School of the Arts

SMU campus. FREE, donations accepted

FILMS ABOUT THE BEAT

Kerouac: An award winning docu-drama about the King of the Beat Generation,

Jack Kerouac.

Oct. 6-7 8 p.m./ Oct. 8 3 p.m The CineMac

McKinney Avenue Contemporary (The MAC), 3120 McKinney Ave.

$2 for DARE members and Friends of SMU Libraries, $4 general.

FILMS BY ROBERT FRANK

Pull My Daisy and Energy and How to Get It

Oct. 13-14 at 8 p.m., Oct. 15 at 3 p.m. The CineMac

McKinney Avenue Contemporary (The MAC), 3120 McKinney Ave.

$2 for DARE members, and Friends of SMU Libraries, $4 general.

FILMS BY ROBERT FRANK

This Song for Jack and Hunter

OVER

PAGE TWO

Oct. 20-21 8 p.m., Oct. 22 3 p.m. The CineMac

McKinney Avenue Contemporary (The MAC), 3120 McKinney Ave.

$2 for DARE members, and Friends of SMU Libraries, $4 general.

FILMS BY ROBERT FRANK

Conversations in Vermont and Life Dances On

Oct. 27-28 8 p.m., Oct. 29 3 p.m. The CineMac

McKinney Avenue Contemporary (The MAC), 3120 McKinney Ave.

$2 for DARE members, and Friends of SMU Libraries, $4 general.

FILMS BY ROBERT FRANK

C'est Vrai

MOMENTS WITH THE MODERNS: A READING SERIES

Presented in conjunction with The Writer's Garret for three Thursdays at 7:30

p.m. at DeGolyer Library, SMU Campus. FREE ADMISSION. Donations accepted.

Oct. 5 7:30 p.m. READING BETWEEN THE LINES: Joe Stanco interviews Jack

Kerouac (actor Mark Hankla).

Oct. 12 7:30 p.m. READING BETWEEN THE LINES: Glodean Baker-Gardner

interviews James Baldwin (actor Fred Gardner).

Oct. 26 7:30 p.m. Reel/Real Writers: Allen Ginsberg on video, with Joe Stanco

live. This is an encore performance from The MAC.

EAT TO THE BEAT-DINING

Michelle's Coffee Bar & Cafe, 6617 Snider Plaza, will present a benefit night

on Monday, Oct. 2 5-9:30 p.m. for the Friends of the SMU Libraries. Proceeds

from all dinners that evening will benefit the Friends' organization. Call

691-8164 for reservations.

PANEL DISCUSSION

In celebration of The Southwest Review's 80th Anniversary

'A Literary Overview of the Post War Period"

Thursday, Oct. 19 at 7:30 p.m. FREE.

Hughes-Trigg Student Center Auditorium, SMU campus

The panel will be moderated by Willard Spiegelman, Prof. of Literature at

SMU, with participation by Steven Kellman, Ashbel Smith Professor of

Comparative Literature, UT San Antonio; Jack Myers, Professor of English,

SMU. Additional panelists to be announced.

MUSIC

Meadows New Music Ensemble

Nov. 8 8 p.m.

O'Donnell Lecture Recital Hall SMU Meadows School of the Arts

FREE Improvisational performance of beat poetry and music.

SMU LITERARY FESTIVAL

1995 Student Book Collecting Contest

Awards presentation

Nov. 17 at Hughes Trigg Student Center

All full-time undergraduate and graduate SMU students are eligible to enter

this contest sponsored the Friends of the SMU Libraries. Deadline for

entries is Nov. 1. Display of the winning book collections and a reception

honoring the winners takes place at 6:30 p.m. in DeGolyer Library prior to

the presentation of the awards by the SMU Literary Festival guest author in

the Hughes Trigg Theater. To commemorate the Friends' 25th anniversary, a

special prize will be given to the collection that best establishes the

original Colophon Collection theme.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 01:25:44 -0400

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From: Kerolist@AOL.COM

Subject: No Subject

Please add me to the BEAT-L: Beat Generation List

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 17:27:41 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

In case anyone is working on an article on Kerouac in Florida, I pass on this n

ote from The Hemingway Newsletter: "The Journal of Florida Literature invites

submissions of creative writing, articles, notes and reviews devoted to Florida

writers and literature about Florida." I guess Kerouac qualifies. Contact R

odger L. Tarr, editor, English Dept., 4240 Illinois State Univ., Normal, IL

61790-4240.

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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:47:22 EDT

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From: Ron Morrow <MORROW@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>

Subject: Gary Snyder On TV

I've read several posts referring to Gary Snyder and wanted

to let everyone know that, according to my local listings,

he is scheduled to be on a show on PBS called, "The Language

Of Life With Bill Moyers" at 9:00 p.m. tonight (July 14th).

According to the listings, "Gary Snyder uses words to defend

the natural world; Daisy Zamora writes about the pain of war."

The show is one hour long.

Ron Morrow

Toronto, Canada

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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:30:46 -0700

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From: Joe Reifer <jreifer@WAHOO.SJSU.EDU>

Subject: broken bones

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There's a song that Al Ginsberg sings in the recent documentary about him

that goes..."broken bones, broken bones...etc."

Does anyone know if a recording of this is available?

It doesn't seem to be on the box set, but maybe it is?

A posting of available recordings would be great.

tanks,

joe

jreifer@wahoo.sjsu.edu

http://gallery.sjsu.edu/ArtH/Tibet/main.html

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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:39:00 PDT

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From: Bruce Greeley <v-bgree@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject: Re: broken bones

I haven't heard Ginsberg's boxed set but believe it has different

material than one earlier record he put out with a bunch of 'downtown,

skronking jazzbos and avant-rockers' -- where the recording you're

talking about may have come from -- unfortunately, I don't remember the

title to this ("The Lion is Roaring" maybe?) which is at home.

Other recordings which Ginsberg has been on:

* song with "The Clash" (?title?)