beat list september 1995

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:56:14 +0100

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From: Michael Thorn <mthorn@FASTNET.CO.UK>

Subject: Kerouac Letters

The tide must certainly be turning when the TLS gives a selection

of Kerouac letters to a sympathetic reviewer -:

James Campbell in the current issue, p22, reviews the Kerouac letters

and the Ginsberg Journals jointly, giving, quite properly, Kerouac

prominence.

"Commonly seen as pariahs of the American literary tradition,

the Beats are in fact deeply embedded in it, embracing everything

from Transcendentalism to Civil Disobedience to Wild West adeventure,

attractively tinged with criminality."

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:16:03 EST

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From: Michael Heeg <Michael_Heeg_at_EDUPO@SMTPINET.ASPENSYS.COM>

Subject: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

The Stones, Eagles, The Grateful Dead (OOPs) are out there rocking, give me a

break these bands had their days and they were back in the sixties not the 90's.

There are a lot of good rock n' roll bands out there now. Classic rock is fine

but there is so much out there, take a chance and go out and buy something new,

Bob.

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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Totally Hip kathryn..

Author: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at SMTPINET

Date: 8/31/95 8:21 PM

Gene:

Rock 'n' Roll DEAD!

No way daddyo. The Stones are out there rocking along with the Eagles and

other 60's groups. ''Classic Rock is alive and well in LA.

Tune in MAN- it could all be hapening all over again!

Bob

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:29:37 -0400

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From: Robert Roth <BobR6969@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

Cool Dude Mike:

Great music transcends time Mike. There is a strong philosophical

relationship between the music of some 60's rockers and the Beats. I offer

you the following:

Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Jim Morrison, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, R. Waters and

the list goes on.

You are correct about the good rock of the 90's. The media often writes about

today's youth as Generation X. I don't like labels; however, many of my

college students can identify with the Beats and the 60's because they are

part of the Generation X phenomena. My children listen to Green Day and

Weezer. I am not smart enough to know if that is good music, but I like it.

There you have it- that's your break.

Bob

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:48:14 -0400

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From: Gene Simakowicz <Genebard@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Teaching the Beats

Bob:

How are you?

Grat to see your kids digging it all.

Idea:

Do some comparative work with Whitman and Ginsberg. We had a ball doing it in

a graduate class I took,

Regards,

Gene

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:46:43 -0400

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From: Gene Simakowicz <Genebard@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

Seems to me all this new rock is derivative and damned depressing. Life has

enough angst. I'd rather listen to jazz now. Stones,Eagles?? Nah.

Maybe reggae,

Gene

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:59:29 -0400

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From: Robert Roth <BobR6969@AOL.COM>

Subject: Not a sexist bastard

Mike:

I should have included the following women in my list of 60's related

rockers: Judy Collins, Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell,Buffy Saint Marie,Carol King

and the list goes on and on.............

Bob- just an old fool lost in the 60's

"The only thing I can offer you is my own confusion".

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:41:20 -0700

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

In-Reply-To: <950901112937_8631171@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Robert Roth" at

Sep 1, 95 11:29:37 am

> relationship between the music of some 60's rockers and the Beats. I offer

> you the following:

> Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Jim Morrison, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, R. Waters and

> the list goes on.

Got all the others, but would you explain Page & Plant please?

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Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

(the beat literature web site)

Queensboro Ballads: http://levity.willow.com/brooklyn/

(my fantasy folk-rock album)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"Way far back in the beginning of the world was the whirlwind warning

that we would all be blown away like chips and cry -- Men with tired

eyes realize it now, and wait to deform and decay -- with maybe they

have the power of love yet in their hearts just the same, I just don't

know what that word means anymore -- all I want is an ice cream cone"

-- Jack Kerouac, 'Desolation Angels'

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:16:25 -0500

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From: Elsie Pettit <pettit@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

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Well, Gene, then you should mosey on over to the jazz-l list! We're a

real friendly group!

Elsie

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"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a

dog, it's too dark to read."

----groucho marx

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On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Gene Simakowicz wrote:

> Seems to me all this new rock is derivative and damned depressing. Life has

> enough angst. I'd rather listen to jazz now. Stones,Eagles?? Nah.

> Maybe reggae,

> Gene

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:36:21 PDT

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From: "Bruce Greeley (Echo News Service)" <v-bgree@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

hey, cool, you're on both, too then!

- broo

aka Greeley not Creeley

(!)

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From: Elsie Pettit <pettit@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

Date: Friday, September 01, 1995 1:16PM

Well, Gene, then you should mosey on over to the jazz-l list! We're a

real friendly group!

Elsie

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"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a

dog, it's too dark to read."

----groucho marx

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On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Gene Simakowicz wrote:

> Seems to me all this new rock is derivative and damned depressing. Life has

> enough angst. I'd rather listen to jazz now. Stones,Eagles?? Nah.

> Maybe reggae,

> Gene

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:27:00 EST

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From: gabby <raindog@IQUEST.NET>

Subject: andrei codrescu

(as she artfully dodges the music debate. . . )

so, does anyone read andrei codrescu, poet, essayist, author and NPR

commentator? he's pals with ginsberg - allen gave andrei his blessing when

andrei embarked on a car trip through america - and as andrei left, he

quoted jack kerouac: ' the earth is an indian thing' - i'm reading his new

novel, _the blood countess_ which is perfectly eerie. . . .

--gab

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 22:52:45 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Masculinity, violence, and night-time-jitters

>I've got the night-before-classes-begins-jitters, and I tried to watch a

>repeat of the local news with the hope that it would put me to sleep.

>Needless to say, I'm still awake.

>Here's my basic question: In regard to beat literature, is it cliche to draw

>a connection between violence/misogyny and testosterone? I know this is a

>sexist question, but it's not meant to be. I'm not necessarily talking about

>Burroughs, Kerouac, Bukowski, etc., although I did have them in mind. I've

>recently read an excerpt from an Acker novel, and the violence was

>consistently male-on-female. I don't think my question is irrelevant, but I

>wonder if I'm being too "surface." I have a hard time believing that the

>anti-female notion that is prevalent throughout the beat literature should be

>blamed on the Y chromosome; however, I am finding that woman often take on

>multiple, and quite negative, roles.

>Any thoughts? I'm just so sick of hearing about Jerry Garcia.

>Laurie Syrek

Here is a story I have wanted to talk about for a long time. It took place

about ten years ago in a town far now away that was called a feminist

paradise by a national magazine. I was an undergraduate at thelocal

university. On the weekends I always stayed in town with some friends of

mine also from my home town. I'd moved there independently but later met

them in this feminist paradise of a city. And it was a beautiful city on

the coast, with beautiful redwood forests just up the hill a few miles. I

lived in the mountains with some other friends who were students during the

week. But the weekends I spent in town with my compariots from the old

town. They were two brothers and a friend of theirs. They weren't going

to college. The brothers worked construction and the other guy found a job

at a car dealership. Our quintet was rounded out by a young woman from the

old town who was a freshman at the same university as I. She lived in the

dorms and also stayed at the guys' apartment on the weekends. We mainly

hung out, smoked dope and played music. I had actually sold my drum set to

the older brother to make some money for my move to this feminist paradise

college town beach community mountain retreat. He's since bought

electronic drums I think, so whither my old drum set I cannot say.

They had an apartment near downtown in a building with 2 or 3 other

apartments. On one side were the fighting heterosexuals. This apartment

seemed to be like a crash pad for older hippy like dudes. A guy we met

later's Mother lived there. She seemed to be an alcoholic maybe. And a

bunch of thirtyish hippy dude 70's type guys stayed there. Who knows who

they were, but they'd fight. To get an idea what they were like I'd

compare them to David Crosby in the seventies and eighties. Fat old hippy

dudes that'd drink or do drugs. This town was not just a feminist paradise

but also a hippy paradise and new age paradise or whatever else paradise

was available. There was a nightclub nearby and these sorts hung out there

all the time. We called it a negative energy vortex and were frigtened

every time we walked by it. Although ostensibly it was a hippy love place.

Neal Young would play there to try out his new stuff (the International

Harvesters, remember them). Woody's boy'd play there. It should have been

a good vibes place, one would think, but it seemed ugly and nasty to me.

Weird sexual revolution vibes and violence vibes. Once when passing by I

saw this big woman screaming at someone, then come roaring out of the

vestibule full speed ahead and crash her head into thewindow of a truck

that some guy was pulling away from the curb in. Obviously the object of

her wrath was within. It seemed to me that these David Crosbys would hang

out at this negative energy vortex drinking, go home later, and be

frustrated. Sexually frustrated maybe, or just frustrated in general. But

they'd start to fight. And we'd hear it and feel it. We'd hear grumbling

and growling, muffled through the wall. "Rrruba muga miga ragga rigga you

so&so." And then they'd fight. We'd here scuffling and slapping, then

hitting the wall, then pow, two fat David Crosbys falling to the floor

together in an angry embrace. And we'd feel it because their wall was our

wall and our floor was their floor and there were two fat guys banging

around wrestling on it. They'd fight and yell til they must have been too

tired to go on. While they fought we'd huddle together in fear, softly

saying "Oh no, oh no". We even met a guy with an interesting history (who

later hung around a lot) because of this. He was a younger guy about our

ages, late teens, early 20's. His mother was the alcoholic looking woman

who lived there. So I guess he was staying there one night when the

fighting began. He came across the hall and knocked on our door. "Hey

guys, is it all right if I hang out here for awhile?" he quietly asked. Of

course we said sure. We found out later he was wanted by the FBI for

stealing a boat out of the yacht harbor with a couple other guys. It was

easy. The ringmaster just went on the boats at night and scoped out the

one's where the owners left the keys in. They sailed down to Mexico in it

with the dream of making their living by taking tourists on sight-seeing

cruises. But a little thing called El Nino caused them to crash the boat

and ruin it on the baja coast. So he made it back to the border and swam

the river. Later when the FBI caught up with him he didn't seem to get

into too much trouble. Probation I guess. He cooperated. The feds were

after the ringleader not his young accomplices. So he learned his lesson.

We do dumb things when we are young. (And I'm sure we will do dumb things

when we are old, maybe not so many).

In the apartment on one side were the fighting David Crosbys. But on the

otherside were a couple we dubbed the Battling Dykes. We could also hear

them and feel them as onewould beat the other. We'd hear the one start

accusing the other in a voice so hate-filled I have seldom heard it

matched. "You bitch, you whore, you cunt," she would seethe (please

forgive me for relating this awfull language). "I saw the way you were

looking at her." And the other one would blubber, crying "no, no, no".

Then smack slap. More crying and pleading. Then we'd hear and feel one

desperately crawling across the hardwood floor to get away. We'd feel this

because their floor was our floor and, sitting there in our

doped-up-on-humboldt-sinse heightend sensitivity, it'd reverberate through

the floor and through us. The other would clunk clunk across the floor

after her, grab her and then both wpould clammer flat onto the floor. The

name calling would go on and pound pound pound on the floor, pound pound

pound on the wall. I could see in my head what I was hearing with my ears

and feeling with every nerve-ending in my scared sad body: one sitting on

the other, grabbing her by the hair and pounding her head against the

floor, pounding her head against the wall. Beating her over and over,

screaming in her jealous rage. One evening we were walking home. As we

passed by their window we saw, above the lower three quarters of the window

that was covered with a blanket, a crutch, straight up in the air. It was

waved about and then, thwack, swiftly and violently it was brought down

below our view. Then it was up above the blanket, then down. Up and down

up and down. She was beating her with a crutch.

To this day it is to my shame that I didn't call the police and tell them

that there was a woman beating another woman near to death. The thought

never even crossed my stoned out mind. Smoking dope or doing any drugs

never does anybody any good.

How could things like this happen? They happen all over, all the time.

Today as we read this there's gotta be couples fighting. A man beating a

man, a woman beating a man, a man beating a woman, a woman beating a woman.

Right now I'll bet.

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:15:16 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Re: andrei codrescu

Yeah, I saw ROAD SCHOLAR. I liked it but thought it would have been better if

he had, for instance, stopped to see Burroughs in Kansas and Ferlinghetti in

San Francisco. Also the version I saw was taped off of PBS. Can you tell me

-- Is the version in video stores longer, or different? About Codrescu as

poet and writer I'm not overly enthusiastic. Which work do you think is his

best?

Dan B.

dan_barth@redwoodfn.org

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:44:21 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Re: Masculinity, violence, and night-time-jitters

Pretty good. I think I know that town. I liked the bar, had good vibes and

good times there. I smoked sense and danced. Don't think it has done me any

permanent harm. I know a magazine here in Northern California that would

publish your story. Don't get excited -- No pay. But it would fit right in.

About this thread, I was thinking last night, and your story bears it out,

that it's a mistake to say, "Men are violent, women are peaceful." We are all

equal human beings and shouldn't be judged on the basis of sex any more than

on race, height, weight, hair color or any other secondary quality. Peaceful

man is not an oxymoron, though military intelligence and flavored vodka, in

my opinion, are.

Dan B.

dan_barth@redwoodfn.org

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:55:05 -0400

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From: Rene Zamora Zepeda <Quetzal666@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Teaching the Beats

at naropa, ginsberg told a student to write about his girlfriend instead of

politics.........

....rene

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 18:03:59 -0400

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From: Rene Zamora Zepeda <Quetzal666@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Also introducing...

i scored a 'poetry readings in the cellar' record with ferlinghetti and

rexroth for 75c....those must've been pretty sweaty readings...

....rene

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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:13:53 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: CD-Romnibus

Just wondering. Has anyone actually seen the Jack kerouac CD romnibus.

If so how much are they asking and any other coments.

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:17:51 -0500

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From: Dan Terkla <terkla@TITAN.IWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: CD-Romnibus

In-Reply-To: <199509040613.XAA03452@hsc.usc.edu>

I ordered the CD at the conference in NY this past June (ordered and paid

for), but have neither heard nor seen it. I get no help from Penguin,

despite phone calls, e-mail, etc. Bummer. I want to use it for my class

on the Beats. It was around $40 at the conference rate and looked quite

good. Now if the thing would just arrive.

Dan Terkla

Dept. of English

Illinois Wesleyan Univ.

On Sun, 3 Sep 1995, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

> Just wondering. Has anyone actually seen the Jack kerouac CD romnibus.

> If so how much are they asking and any other coments.

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:24:12 -0700

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From: Ralph Virgo <rvirgo@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: CD-Romnibus

You wrote:

>I ordered the CD at the conference in NY this past June (ordered and

paid

>for), but have neither heard nor seen it. I get no help from Penguin,

>despite phone calls, e-mail, etc. Bummer. I want to use it for my

class

>on the Beats. It was around $40 at the conference rate and looked

quite

>good. Now if the thing would just arrive.

>Dan Terkla

>Dept. of English

>Illinois Wesleyan Univ.

Same thing happened to me, except I haven't called them yet. Was

planning to call this week. If I find out anything, I'll let you know.

By the way, if you are interested in checking it out, I maintain a Web

page called Inside the Kerouac Legacy. It's at

http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/Topics/IKL.html

and/or accessible from Levi Asher's Beat News

Ralph

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:39:15 -0400

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From: Doctor Slothrop <DrSLOTHROP@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: CD-Romnibus

The disc is scheduled to ship mid- to late- September. It should be worth

the wait.

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 18:19:00 PDT

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From: Mike Kolibaba <radauti@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject: Re: andrei codrescu

>(as she artfully dodges the music debate. . . )

> so, does anyone read andrei codrescu, poet, essayist, author and NPR

>commentator? he's pals with ginsberg - allen gave andrei his blessing when

>andrei embarked on a car trip through america - and as andrei left, he

>quoted jack kerouac: ' the earth is an indian thing' - i'm reading his new

>novel, _the blood countess_ which is perfectly eerie. . . .

> --gab

I am a big Codrescu fan, partly because I am Romanian-American, but also

because I like his commentaries and writings. I saw him read here recently

(Portland, OR) from "The Blood Countess." He was extremely witty. During

the question and answer session, I asked him "have you driven a car again

since making 'Road Scholar?' "

"Oh, no," he replied, "I only drive for art." It brought the house down.

He also autographed two books for me and was quite gracious.

I have read several of his books and especially like "The Hole in the Flag."

I also enjoyed "The Disappearance of the Outside," though I found it a bit

difficult to get through. I just picked up "Zombification," a collection of

his NPR commentaries, which I've not yet had time to finish. I like what

I've read so far, though.

I saw "Road Scholar" in a theater and loved it. I was disappointed,

however, that PBS cut it somewhat when they aired it recently. Any other

comments from people in this group?

Mike Kolibaba

"What the hell, I don't know, but to me a home in the suburbs is a sort of

isolated hell where nothing happens."

-- Jack Kerouac, letter to his sister Caroline, March 14, 1945.

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:35:38 -0700

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From: Ronald Fritts <rfritts@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Andrei

Also love Andrei. I thhink he is, in many ways, closer to the spirit

of the Beats than anyone going...In the commentaries, the theater

version of "Road Scholar". Now, "Blood Countess" isn't necessarily

Beat, but it is delicious fun.

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From: Dan Terkla <terkla@TITAN.IWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: CD-Romnibus

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Thanks for the web-page info, Ralph. I'll check it out and will let you

know if I hear anything from Penguin re: the Kerouac CD.

Cheers,

Dan Terkla

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From: Dan Terkla <terkla@TITAN.IWU.EDU>

Subject: Kerouac CD-ROM (fwd)

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 12:12:17 -0400

From: MindMotion@aol.com

To: terkla@titan.iwu.edu

Subject: Kerouac CD-ROM

Dear Dan Terkla,

I was forwarded a message you posted on the Beat-L list this past weekend

regarding the Kerouac CD-ROM you ordered at the NYU Beat Conference.

As one of the executive producers of the disc, I'm pleased to report the

title will be shipping from Penguin in the next few weeks. Sorry for the

delay, but the project's been monumental in scope, involving dozens of

researchers, writers, designers, archivists, etc., all of whom worked

tirelessly for almost two years to put the thing together.

We hope you'll be pleased with the results.

All best,

Grant Kornberg

(please feel free to share this info with your list)

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 12:43:12 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Totally Hip kathryn..

In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:04:42 -0400 from <BobR6969@AOL.COM>

On Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:04:42 -0400 Robert Roth said:

>Totally Hip Kathryn:

>I am currently using a three cassett set titled "the Beat Generation". I

>don't know if one can find it in CD. The cassetts contain readings,

>interviews, jazz and generally cool stuff about the beat generation.

>I found my set at Crown Books in Los Angeles; however, you can write Rhino

>Records Inc., 2225 Colorado Ave., Santa Monica, CA 90404 for more

>information.

>Bob

Yes, it is available in cd

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From: gabby <raindog@IQUEST.NET>

Subject: Andrei Codrescu

Hmm... I liked _The Disappearance of the Outside_ and _The Muse is

Always Half Dressed In New Orleans_ and I am about 1/4 of the way through

_The Blood Countess_ which I think is bewitching. . . I first heard his

voice, via NPR - an essay about New Orleans - so it is his essays that I am

hooked on and when I read them, I hear his voice. . . he has a recording

called "No Tacos for Saddam" that is wonderful - most of the pieces are

collected in several of his books - I was unaware that "Road Scholar" was

available in video. . . I don't have a VCR, so I have no way of knowing if

it is a longer version. . . but PBS rarely shorts programs, in my experience.

gabby

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From: Michael Skau <mskau@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>

Subject: beatCDs

Kathryn,

Other than the 3-CD Rhino _The Beat Generation_ set, you might also

look at Ginsberg's _Holy Soul Jelly Roll_ 4-CD Rhino set, and _Howls,

Raps & Roars_ 4-CD Fantasy set (this latter contains Ferlinghetti,

Ginsberg, and other Beat writers performing their works). For some

unusual (and cheaper) alternatives, Ferlinghetti recites one of his

poems on the film _The Last Waltz_ (about the Band's last performance),

and Ginsberg does a poem of his own on one of the songs on the Clash's

_Combat Rock_ CD. To get some of the less available recordings, you might

contact Jeffrey Weinberg at Water Row Books, P.O.Box 438, Sudbury, MA

01776; he's been very helpful to me.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:02:23 EDT

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: CD-Romnibus

The Kerouac CD ROM will be demonstrated and sold at the Lowell Celebrates

Kerouac! Festival, 4-9 October, Lowell, MA. Let me know if you need info.

The brochures are going out at the end of the week. Also Patti Smith,

Herbert Huncke and Willie Alexander.

Mark Hemenway

Chairman, Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:03:32 -0500

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From: Michael Skau <mskau@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>

Subject: denverbeat

Andrew,

For the Denver connection,

1) a recent issue of the _Missouri Review_ 17.3 (1994): 109-60

contains 15 letters from Kerouac to Ed White, dated 1947-68. The

foreword to this issue contains editorial comments on Kerouac's

Denver friends.

2) Flanagan, Mike. "Out West." _Denver Post Empire Magazine_ 8

July 1984: 22.

3) Dumas, Alan. "The Beat Goes On." _Rocky Mountain New Sunday

Magazine_ 26 July 1992: M10-12.

4) Hernandez, Romel. "Kerouac Fulfilled His Destiny as the Heart

of Beat"

and

Dumas, Alan. "Cassady and Denver Helped Spawn the Beats."

both in

_Rocky Mountain News_, Spotlight section, 26 June 1994: 63A & 64A.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:32:56 -0400

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Teaching the Beats

ive never had a class persay on the beats, but i think someone should try to

teach burroughs for a change....ginsberg and kerouac are amazing,but bill's

unique prose is simply brilliant!

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:41:17 -0400

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Accessing chat channels for interactive Beat discussions

how do you access a chat channel? im very interested in a" virtual beating".

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:53:14 -0400

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Also introducing...

id like a copy....can you change it to a midi file?....if not ill send cash

for a copy on cassette....dont care about how quality it is.....e-mail if

willing

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:54:41 -0400

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: CD-Romnibus

i dont know what romnibus is...but i have the boxed set....ill try to convert

it to a midi file and send it to you if you want....if you know how send me

the info!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 20:59:25 -0400

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: denverbeat

whats with denver, the beats, the dead?...some connection...i know all the

beats write about denver...some kind of city of sin? whats the deal...sounds

quaintly post-war-apocolyptic....

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: CD-Romnibus

YES,YES,YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:06:04 +0200

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From: Juan Cires Martinez <jcm@MAT.UPM.ES>

How do you pronounce Kerouac?

Juan.

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:04:00 EST

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From: gabby <raindog@IQUEST.NET>

Subject: Kerouac pronunciation

As literal as I can get it:

CARE - ROO - ACK (as in Bill the Cat, gagging) The 'ou' bit needs

to be like the 'ou' in 'you'.

Anyway, that's the way I've heard it. . .

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:26:49 +0200

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From: Juan Cires Martinez <jcm@MAT.UPM.ES>

Has anyone mentioned Philip Glass' opera "The Hydrogen Jukebox," whose

libretto is a collection of poems by Allen Ginsberg, who even recites

some of them?

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:25:36 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Re: Kerouac pronunciation

Now how about Duluoz?

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:32:46 -0500

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From: Dan Terkla <terkla@TITAN.IWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kerouac pronunciation

Comments: To: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

In-Reply-To: <2042167293.244689115@RedwoodFN.org>

Doo-loo-oz or Doo-loo-ohz, at least these are the ways I've always

pronounced Duluoz.

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From: gabby <raindog@IQUEST.NET>

Subject: pronunciation mania

actually, i just cheat and say/think: 'duh-looz', in my best brooklynese

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:16:24 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Re: Masculinity, violence, and night-time-jitters

I've been thinking of posting my review of HOW I BECAME HETTIE JONES, a book I

have not tired of touting. This review ran here and there a few years back. I

think it is appropriate for this thread. So if I can fool around successfully

with discs and select, copy, paste and all that rigamarole . . . here it is.

Best,

Dan B.

dan_barth@redwoodfn.org

HOW I BECAME HETTIE JONES

by Hettie Jones, Penguin Books,

New York, 1991. 239 pp., $8.95.

In her introduction to THE PORTABLE BEAT READER, Ann Charters writes that

"most women living with or married to the Beats . . . took care of the

children, worked to support the family, and did little writing, mostly

memoirs years later." Hettie Jones was one of those women and this is one of

those memoirs, published "years later," but nonetheless a valuable addition

to Beat literature.

Here's a great sentence from early in the book: "At night, in my narrow

maple bed, under the starched, white, ruffled pink-ribbon-threaded spread my

mother had made, I'd make up stories with myself as the hero of great

seafaring adventures." Jones has a simple, direct, elegant style. Right to

the point. No bullshit, but thought out and true. It reminds me of Malcolm

Cowley, and in fact this book makes a great sequel to THE DREAM OF THE GOLDEN

MOUNTAINS, Cowley's memoir of the 1930s. Both are personal memoirs which

function as social and literary history because written by superior observers

who were part of that history.

Hettie's memoir is primarily of the New York art scene from the

mid-1950s through the early 1960s, the burgeoning Beat scene of which she and

LeRoi Jones were integral parts. It was jazz music that first brought them

together but, as Hettie points out, "part and parcel of every discussion [of

jazz] was sociopolitical theory and the history of racism." The history of

racism is very much part and parcel of this book. As an interracial couple in

the Eisenhower 50s, Mr. and Mrs. Jones had to deal not only with the censure

of society at large, but more specifically with her middle class Jewish

parents and his middle class Negro(still the operative word in those days)

parents. Their decision to live together, and to live as artists, outside the

middle class made them part of "the cut-and-run passions, the liaisons,

bohemia's slippery, discontinuous social fabric. . . ," a world their parents

could not comprehend.

Hettie writes wonderful scenes -- in the supermarket, on the sidewalk, on

the bus -- and makes them stand for much more. She has the ability to paint

them superbly and finish them off with a flourish so that they become produce

market parables, sidewalk satoris, allegories for the artistic process. Her

relationship with Roi also functions as a paradigm. She gets inside what it's

like to be locked in a relationship, the heavy shit -- extramarital affairs,

violent arguments, breaking plates, hitting each other -- but lays it out

clean, without rancor or recriminations. She also paints the beauty of the

New York scene, the fantastic art, music and poetry; the parties, families

and friends.

One reviewer, I believe it was in the LOS ANGELES TIMES, wrote that this

book is evidence of what happens when artists of unequal talent are paired.

I think that reviewer missed the point entirely. At one point Hettie was

caring for two children, cleaning a new apartment, typing and editing LeRoi's

BLUES PEOPLE, and reading galley proofs of Frantz Fanon's THE WRETCHED OF THE

EARTH for Grove Press. And this is the lesser artist in the family?

The point this book brings to the fore is that raising children and cooking

and sewing and keeping a household together are just as much legitimate art

forms as the creation of books and poems. I wonder if Jan Kerouac would

trade, say, SATORI IN PARIS and PIC, for two years, or two weeks, of

attention and care from old Jack. As much as we admire Kerouac and Cassady we

have to see their lives, at least in part, as cautionary tales. Behind the

Kerouacs and LeRoi Joneses of this world are strong women who make the life

of the people. If there is to be any real chance of "poetry and justice for

all," then we all need to get in touch with the parts of ourselves that

nurture and care, so we can give the lie to Hettie's statement -- "Like most

men then and now Roi did little to help."

This book will lead you to others: to Joyce Johnson's MINOR CHARACTERS for

starters, a similarly inspired memoir which is acknowledged for its

influence; to BLUES PEOPLE and HOME and THE MODERNS by LeRoi Jones; and to

works by other writers who were part of the parties and the problems of the

Jones household -- Fielding Dawson, Hubert Selby, Jr., Diane Di Prima and

Frank O'Hara, among others.

Okay, I'm finished raving about this book. There's much more to it than I've

been able to say -- Kerouac, Billie Holiday, FLOATING BEAR, the Cedar Bar,

all floating in the river of time. As it flows into the unknown 90s I'm

taking Hettie Jones with me. I want her on my team.

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From: "ALAN C. REESE" <S72UREE@TOWSONVX.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Kerouac pronunciation

The Beavis & Butthead version:

CARE-uh-whack whack,uh,uh,uh

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:10:53 +0100

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From: Radley-Fascione MD <M.D.Radley-fascione@CITY.AC.UK>

Subject: Re: Re[4]: Totally Hip kathryn..

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On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Levi Asher wrote:

> > relationship between the music of some 60's rockers and the Beats. I offer

> > you the following:

> > Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Jim Morrison, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, R. Waters

and

> > the list goes on.

> Got all the others, but would you explain Page & Plant please?

Also add the creative genius of ROY HARPER Britain's greatest lyricist

Daniel

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:56:33 GMT-0600

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From: Erich Noriega Gutierrez <perdomo@NEXT-HGO.HGO.ITESM.MX>

Hipsters:

Does anyone knows something about yage drug that burrows used?

regards from aztlan

erich.

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From: Joseph Rodrigue <jrodrigue@VNET.IBM.COM>

Subject: yage

In-Reply-To: <9509082056.AA02511@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx> (message from Erich

Noriega Gutierrez on Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:56:33 GMT-0600)

> From: Erich Noriega Gutierrez <perdomo@NEXT-HGO.HGO.ITESM.MX>

> Hipsters:

> Does anyone knows something about yage drug that burrows used?

> regards from aztlan

My God, you're in Mexico and you're asking _us_?

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>