beat list september 1995

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Lowell Celebrates . . .

Mark Hemenway,

I sent a message to your dharma Beat e-mail address but it came back

undeliverable. Please get in touch with me and let me know if you have a

different e-mail address.

Thanks,

dan_barth@redwoodfn.org

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From: "F. David Horn" <hornfd@WESTMINSTER.EDU>

Subject: Read Receipt

Your message of Fri Sep 08 1995 14:56:33 -0600

was read on Sun Sep 10 1995 14:21:05 -0400.

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From: Thomas Brandstetter <tb@GROMIT.PING.AT>

Subject: Unknown

> Does anyone knows something about yage drug that

> burrows used?

yage (bannisteria caapi) is a vine that grows in south america...prepared it's h

allucinogenic and it's also said that it is telepathic but seems to have

some nasty side effects...shit i haven't got my copy of naked lunch at home,

there is an appendix on these things...

anyway, read "the yage letters", a collection of letters burroughs wrote to gins

berg while searching yage.

and the interzone-chapter in naked lunch was writen under the influence of yage.

thomas

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:06:33 EDT

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: Dharma beat email change

For those interested, Dharma beat #5 is in production now and should be in

the mail in a week or so. This issue will have a newly discovered, never

before published piece by Jack Kerouac. If you are not subscribed- single

copies are $2.50, two copy subscription is $5.00.

The "staff" of Dharma beat have all cancelled their AOL service so we have

new email addresses. You can reach me at home

mhemenway@igc.apc.org

or at work

mhemenway@s1.drc.com

If your message is urgent, I check my work mail more often than my home

stuff.

Thanks.

Mark Hemenway

Co-editor, Dharma beat

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:32:57 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:56:33 GMT-0600 from

<perdomo@NEXT-HGO.HGO.ITESM.MX>

On Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:56:33 GMT-0600 Erich Noriega Gutierrez said:

>Hipsters:

>Does anyone knows something about yage drug that burrows used?

>regards from aztlan

>erich.

See "The Yage Letters" by Burroughs and Ginsberg.

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From: Kristen VanRiper <pooh@IMAGEEK.YORK.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: YAGE (fwd)

i asked a friend about yage...

> Found some info:

> YAGE (Pronounced ya-hee; also called ayahuasca.) Banusteriopsis

> caapi. Family Malpighiaceae.

> Material: Lower parts of stem from vine found in Amazon and

> Orinoco basins of South America.

> Usage: Stem is pounded in mortar, usually with other local

> psychoactive materials (mostly solanaceous plants), boiled in

> just enough water 2-24 hours, strained, reduced to 1/10 volume, 4

> oz cup is drunk by natives. Other should start with 1/3 this

> amount.

> Active Constituents: Harmine, harmaline, harmalol and

> tetrahydroharmine. Approximetely 500 mg total alkaloids per 4 oz.

> cup prepared as above.

> Effects: Trembling within a few minutes followed by perspiration

> and physical stimulation for 10-15 minutes, then calm with mental

> clouding, hallucination, increased color, blue-violet shades,

> size changes, and improved night vision. Harmala alkaloids are

> short-term MAO inhibitors.

> Contraindications: See harmine et al.

> Supplier: No local sourse of yage. See harmine et al (EoI: See my

> notes at end under Suppliers..)

peace

kristen

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:43:26 EDT

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Dharma beat Address

Dan Terkla was kind enough to point out that I failed to give an address

for Dharma beat orders. Here it is:

The Jack Kerouac subterranean Information Society

Box 1753

Lowell, MA 01853-1753

Mark Hemenway

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:07:03 -0400

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From: Penguin Electronic <ELECTRONIC@PENGUIN.COM>

Subject: CD-Romnibus -Reply

Comments: To: gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU

Comments: cc: mindmotion@aol.com

A tardy response to this query, largely echoing Grant Kornberg's of last week.

Penguin will publish the CD-ROM at the end of this month--it is at the

manufacturer now. The suggested retail price is $49.95, and it will be

available in book and computer stores. I'll be sure to post to this list when

it ships.

For a preview, browse the Penguin Web site at:

http://www.penguin.com/usa/electronic/multimedia.html

Thanks for your interest.

Best,

Julie Hansen

Penguin Books

>>>>>>>>>>

Just wondering. Has anyone actually seen the Jack kerouac CD romnibus.

If so how much are they asking and any other coments.

<<<<<<<<<<

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:24:22 -0400

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From: Perry Lindstrom <LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>

Subject: BeatDataBase

Here is a more formal proposal for the data base that I mentioned a week or

so ago. I am open to any insights that people might have and want to thank

those who have already given me their ideas.

Beat Data Base (BDB)

Proposal: A database which tracks the evolution of the avant-

garde over the last 50 years or so. The Beats would be central

to this effort, but other movements of the period would be

included: San Francisco Renaissance, New York School and Black

Mountain would be chief among them -- other figures and

personalities who may not belong to a school or a movement per se

would also be included.

Ultimately the data base could be expanded to encompass the last

150 years or so which constitute the modern period. Tracing the

development of the Beats back through this period and beyond to

Blake etc.

Software: Microsoft Access 2.0

Structure: Data Tables as follows

1) Writers - basic information on each individual

2) Movements - attributes of each movement or

school of thought

3) Works - major works by each writer

4) Publications - important periodicals that

published the Beats and others

5) Events - Special events and incidents

Relational Tables

1) Writers/Movements - Member_of

2) Writers/Works - Wrote

3) Writers/Publications - Wrote_for

4) Writers/Events - Present_at

5) Writers/Writers - Influenced_by (This would

be more appropriate after more writers were

added from the earlier periods)

For those who might not be familiar with relational data bases --

how a relational data base works is that the data tables contain

the raw information for each area of interest. On each data

table there is an ID number for that entry in the table, in other

words every writer, movement, work, publication and event would

have its own unique number. The relational tables consist only

of these ID numbers, and by themselves would provide very little

information. For example, if Jack Kerouac is writer 1 and the

Beats are movement 1 then the two fields to represent him as a

Beat would be the row 1,1 in the table Member_of. Another

writer, let's say Robert Duncan, might have the ID number 5 and

be considered to be a member of San Francisco Renaissance 2 and

Black Mountain 3. There would be two rows in the Member_of Table

to represent this 5,2 and 5,3. This is a more "robust" way of

designing the data base than having the movement listed in the

same table with the writer. The relational tables above are

representative of what could be a much larger and complex set of

relationships. They could include such relationships as:

Friend_Of, Enemy_Of, Had_Affair_With, Had_Affair_with_Spouse,

etc.

This is meant to be a prototype that could be expanded in scope

and in time. Any suggestions as to what the data tables should

contain would be greatly appreciated. I am also trying to map

out how to capture themes and philosophies. Perhaps a separate

table with the most common philosophical stances would be

helpful.

Queries will then be developed which provide the link between the

data tables and the relational tables. A query might for example

ask who was Present_At the Six Gallery reading of Howl. Let's

say this is event 1. The data base would take all the ID numbers

of people at the reading then go back to their data table and

find the name field and print this out. The programmer has to

make sure that the proper information has been provided to allow

the computer to make these logical linkages.

But after all the above has been done, there will be plenty of

work assembling the data into all the data tables and then

properly accounting for all the relationships that are deemed

relevant. I am going to need the help of the Cyber-Beat

community.

This will be a long process, but hopefully working together we

can build an interesting data base that will be valuable to all.

Perry M. Lindstrom

LindLitGrp@AOL.com

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:35:19 -0600

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From: Peter Scott <scottp@MOONDOG.USASK.CA>

Subject: Million title catalog

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I stumbled across this today....million title catalog....and did searches

on Kerouac, Corso, Ferlinghetti, etc. and found lots of interesting stuff.

The URL is: http://www.amazon.com/

I have no connection with this company. Worth a look.

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From: Rick Prelinger <footage@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Youth Rebellion in the 1950s

Comments: To: h-amstdy@msu.edu, archives@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu, h-film@msu.edu,

screen-l@ua1vm.ua.edu, h-urban@uicvm.cc.uic.edu, amia-l@UKCC.UKY.EDU

I am trying to locate actuality footage on the writer Jack Kerouac and

"beat" culture -- artists, filmmakers, jazz musicians, poets, performers,

writers and their underground audience from 1944-1960. In addition, I'm

interested in film, photographs and audio recordings of the cities and

meeting spots in which they lived and flourished (New York, San Francisco,

Denver, Orlando and Mexico City). Especially interested in images of New

York bars (e.g., White Horse, Cedar Bar and San Remo); Columbia

University and the New School; and the North Beach scene in San Francisco.

In addition, I am seeking footage of the same time period relating to

Elvis Presley and Memphis -- the crossroads of music and musicians that

led to the rise of rock and roll. Subjects include Beale Street, record

producer Sam Phillips (Sun Records); WDIA radio disk jockeys Dewey

Phillips, B.B. King and Rufus Thomas.

Rick Prelinger is research consultant on this project; Megan McShea is

handling archival research.

Any help or leads would be appreciated; please excuse crossposting.

Ron Mann

Sphinx Productions, Toronto

mann@voyagerco.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:41:53 -0400

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From: James Gatta <jgatta@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Subject: Re: Youth Rebellion in the 1950s

In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950912115231.17279A-100000@panix.com> from "Rick

Prelinger" at Sep 12, 95 12:00:24 pm

you might want to try to find a copy-- although i hear it's

pretty impossible-- of a film which kerouac, ginsberg, and burroughs did

together called "Pull My Daisy." a very worthwhile film written and

acted by the three, and narrated by kerouac.

jim.

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From: Tim Bowden <tcbowden@NERDNOSH.ORG>

Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

Subject: Re: Youth Rebellion in the 1950s

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James Gatta <jgatta@SAS.UPENN.EDU> writes:

> you might want to try to find a copy-- although i hear it's

> pretty impossible-- of a film which kerouac, ginsberg, and burroughs did

> together called "Pull My Daisy." a very worthwhile film written and

> acted by the three, and narrated by kerouac.

It's been a few years since I saw this one. It's based upon a true

event, yet for some reason one of the stars and the location is

unidentified. It was Neal Cassady, of course, and the story evolved

from a visit of a local minister and his wife to the Monte Sereno house

where the Cassadys lived while Ginsberg and Corso were there. I can

remember the preacher man on film sitting stiffly in the parlor with his

prim wife beside until a smiling Ginsberg wedged in between. Corso

following the holy man around with theological questions, `Is dinner

holy? Is baseball holy? Is rain holy? Is love holy? Is three AM

holy?'

There's a confrontation between Neal and his wife, and she slaps him.

This is one of the events in the canon I'd sure like to know the history

of. Kerouac was not the most accurate chronicler of internal happenings

of the Cassady family. The boys escape at the end from the wrathful

Mother Goddess, which is a common Beat theme.

Trying to think of the name for the Neal character. There was even

a bit of Neal playing tenor, which he planned to take up in those

years. It looks like just antic silliness on film, but it's

practically a documentary, according to my memory of how Carolyn

Cassady related the time...

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: re Pull My Daisy

Concerning Pull My Daisy. It did not involve Burroughs. It was based

on a Kerouac play called the Beat Generation. Coincidentally I was

recently looking at LitKicks in the Beat movie page and Levi wrote that

he hadn't seen Pull My Daisy and if anyone had to write him. So Last week

I sent him this message about the film. I think it is complemented well

by Tim Bowden's previous post.

I saw Pull My Daisy years ago at the Pacific Film Archive in Berkeley.

It was quite good. It started with a jazz song of Pull My Daisy the poem

with a hepchick beatnniky voiced (beatnik as opposed to beat) woman singing.

It remindes me of the Dobie Gillis Beatniky music. The film had Corso playing

Kerouac, Ginsberg as himself and an actor (Larry Rivers?) playing Cassidy and

an actress playing Carolyn Cassidy and one more charecter who played a minister.

Maybe there was another character but I don't remember.

The plot concerned the minister coming to dinner at the Cassidys' with Ginsberg

and Corso there also. They sidled up to him real close on the couch and kept

asking religious type questions like "is baseball holy?" But the thing that

made this movie unique and enjoyable is that the actors themselves weren't

talking, it was all kerouac. He narrated the film as we watched the

characters. He'd say something like "And there's Irwin garden..." So the only

voice we ever heard was Kerouac's. When the characters spoke it was kerouac

saying it as part of the narration. When the Cassidy character got frustrated

and hit a hanging light, he mouthed "Aw" as kerouac said it and so forth. It

really was quite fun and was truly a Jack kerouac movie in that his narration

and playing all the roles as narrator made the movie what it was. Of course

using Ginsberg and Corso gave it the real deal feel also rather than having

some actors play the role. I think seeing them in this movie gives illustration

of how they (Corso, Ginsberg and Orlovsky) are portrayed in Desolation Angels.

It was funny too. At one point the Cassidy

character pulled out a saxophone and started playing jazz. I think that in the

early fifties when Kerouac and Cassidy were both trying to develop their

writing, Cassidy writinng First Third, Kerouac writing Visions of Cody and

others, Cassady tried to learn sax also because he felt that writing wasn't

going to do it for him in expressing his insides the way writing worked for

Kerouac. So he tried to take up sax as an alternative oulet for his artistic

expression. That's where the saxophone scene must have come from.

But overall quite a good movie. It was short, only 20 minutes or so I think.

I don't know where it would be shown now or where it would be available for

renting. I was lucky in that the PFA was doing a series on experimental films

and included it in the series and I happended to read in the paper that it was

showing. It's too bad it is not readily accessable to all.

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From: Peter Scott <scottp@MOONDOG.USASK.CA>

Subject: Re: re Pull My Daisy

In-Reply-To: <CMM.0.90.2.810929633.gallaher@hsc.usc.edu>

I used two have 2 copies of the book Pull my Daisy. One I gave to the

photographer Robert Frank and the other I sold. Both were BIG mistakes.

Robert Frank came to Saskatoon a few years and showed the film. I'd also

seen it a couple of times in London _years_ ago!

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From: "Stedman, Jim" <JSTEDMAN@NMU.EDU>

Subject: Re[2]: Youth Rebellion in the 1950s

In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:41:53 EDT

Is "Pull My Daisy" even _available_ in video? Perhaps the folks from

Water Row would know...

Jim S

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:49:34 -0700

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From: Gerry Rouff <rouffj@UCS.ORST.EDU>

Subject: Re: re Pull My Daisy

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Hi all:

don't forget that Pull My Daisy was filmed by Robert Frank. Also

according to "Jack's Book" [edited by Barry Gifford] Kerouac

ad-libbed the dialogue.

regards

gerry

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Pull My Daisy

Pull My Daisy turns up frequently at film festivals around NYC. It was

screenedat a recent Kerouac conference at NYU and will be part of "Beat

Culture and the New America: 1950-1963" which opens at the Whitney on

November 9. For more information, see Meg Wolitzer's article in the New

York Times, Sunday, Sept. 11, 1995.

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From: Scott Bauman <ta001@AIX1.UCOK.EDU>

Subject: Academic treatment of the Beats

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Question: Should the biographical history of the author continue to be

the primary focus of Beat criticism? I refer primarily to Kerouac, but

Ginsberg and Burroughs also suffer (whoops... have I just revealed my

bias?) from an overabundance of biographical application, perhaps keeping

their works from being considered in a more scholarly light.

Just another random thought.

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From: Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Subject: Blake List?

In-Reply-To: <CMM.0.90.2.810929633.gallaher@hsc.usc.edu> from "Timothy K.

Gallaher" at Sep 12, 95 11:13:53 am

Dear fellow BEAT-L subscribers--

Does anyone know if a Blake mailing list exists? Yesterday I read a

message on a different list that included "blake-l@albion.com.bitnet" as

one of its cross-posted addresses. I tried a query to the

"albion.com.bitnet" address, but got a message back that said my mail

was undeliverable (if I were more of a Net whiz, I probably could figure

out how to make the message "deliverable"). Thanks in advance.

Tony

atrigili@lynx.neu.edu

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From: Nicholas Herren <NPH002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

Subject: Pull my diasy?

Or whatever the title of this play they are talking about. I was just

wondering if this reading it sounds like is not included on the Box set

of Jack Kerouac recordings that I have seen in stores. Unfortunately I do

not have a copy so I don't know.

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From: Tim Bowden <tcbowden@NERDNOSH.ORG>

Organization: Yucca Flats II in Felton, CA

Subject: Re: re Pull My Daisy

In-Reply-To: <CMM.0.90.2.810929633.gallaher@hsc.usc.edu>

"Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU> writes:

> I saw Pull My Daisy years ago at the Pacific Film Archive in Berkeley.

That may have been the very site I saw it myself! It would've been in

the seventies, though.

Now, I'm going out into the vague reaches of memory...my own recollection

is from a huge stack of letters photocopied from the U of Texas collection;

the authors Kerouac, Cassady, Burroughs, and Ginsberg, with bit parts

from Holmes and assorted others, and with extended remarks from Carolyn

Cassady. My recall, with that caveat, is that Pull My Daisy was a

group chorus, with all the boys over time contributing a line, possibly

even over years and through the mails. It would run something like:

Pull my daisy

tug my chain

haul my boulder

drip my rain

..and on. The poem does exist separately; I don't know where or in

what form. (The above, of course, is but a parody, if such be possible.)

But the movie is one fix (and the unfortunate _Heart Beat_ is another)

on a phenomena experienced by the Cassadys in Monte Sereno, near San

Jose, CA - that being the juxtaposition of the studied underclass, in

the flavor of the Cassadys, with the conventional neighborhood. Common

Dostoyevskian Beat theme.

See, the Cassadys moved to Monte Sereno in the late fifties, into a

little frame one-storey three-bedroom ranchito hacienda in the woods

above Los Gatos. Time ticked a realtors' heaven all about them; it

became quite a swank neighborhood. If you drive by there today, you

will behold an upscale vicinity indeed. Some of the tales I have heard

from those days hinge on just that dynamic; a tire recapper/ parking

lot attendant/railroad spike and his family amidst retired admirals and

CEOs. The holy visit explored in _Pull My Daisy_ is just one of

the interesting encounters in Monte Sereno over that era.

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From: Peter Scott <scottp@MOONDOG.USASK.CA>

Subject: Re: re Pull My Daisy

In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950912124620.17992A-100000@ucs.orst.edu>

Just found this at the U of Lowell:

AUTHOR: David Amram Quartet.

TITLE: LIVE at Musikfest! sound recording / David Amram Quartet.

PUBLICATION: Putnam Valley, N.Y. : New Chamber Music Recordings, p1990.

DESCRIPTION: 1 sound disc (65 min.) : digital ; 4 3/4 in.

NOTES: David Amram Quartet ; with special guest Paquito de Rivera.

NOTES: Music arranged by David Amram.

NOTES: Musikfest Montuno / Amram (7:55) -- Lover man / Davis ;

Ramirez ; Sherman (8:27) -- Take the "A" train / Strayhorn

(8:09) -- Pull my daisy / Amram ; Cassady ; Ginsburg ;

Kerouac (6:35) -- Saint Thomas / Rollins (6:06) --

Summertime / G. & I. Gershwin (6:05) -- Tennessee waltz /

King ; Stewart (6:02) -- Red River valley / trad. (5:09)

-- Blue Monk / Monk (8:41).

NOTES: Recorded at Musikfest, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, August 22, 1988 and

August 21, 1989.

SUBJECT: Jazz.

ADDED ENTRY: Amram, David.

ADDED ENTRY: D'Rivera, Paquito, 1948-

ADDED ENTRY: Musikfest Montuno.

ADDED ENTRY: Lover man.

ADDED ENTRY: Take the "A" train.

ADDED ENTRY: Pull my daisy.

ADDED ENTRY: Saint Thomas.

ADDED ENTRY: Summertime.

ADDED ENTRY: Tennessee waltz.

ADDED ENTRY: Red River valley.

ADDED ENTRY: Blue Monk.

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:33:21 -0600

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From: Peter Scott <scottp@MOONDOG.USASK.CA>

Subject: Re: re Pull My Daisy

In-Reply-To: <iu1BBD1w165w@clovis.nerdnosh.org>

Found at UC Berkeley:

4. Hanover Records

Kerouac, Jack, 1922-1969.

Pull my daisy : the soundtrack. [Phonotape]

Hanover, West Germany : Hanover Records, 1986.

Bancroft Phonotape 1795 C

Non-circulating; may be used only in The Bancroft Library.

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:41:18 EDT

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From: Blaine Allan <ALLANB@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>

Subject: Re: Pull My Daisy

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In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:09:21 EDT from

<WXGBC%CUNYVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>

On Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:09:21 EDT Bill Gargan said:

>Pull My Daisy turns up frequently at film festivals around NYC. It was

>screenedat a recent Kerouac conference at NYU and will be part of "Beat

>Culture and the New America: 1950-1963" which opens at the Whitney on

>November 9. For more information, see Meg Wolitzer's article in the New

>York Times, Sunday, Sept. 11, 1995.

For more information, see my "The Making (and Unmaking) of Pull My

Daisy," Film History 2.3 (1988): 185-205, or, for a shorter,

alternative version, "'Oh, Those Pull My Daisy Days,'" Moody

Street Irregulars 22-23 (Winter 1989-90): 4-10. For even more,

find my Ph.D. dissertation, "The Beat Generation and the New

American Cinema, 1956-60," Northwestern University, 1984.

Just to be momentarily immodest.

Blaine Allan ALLANB@QUCDN.QueensU.CA

Film Studies

Queen's University

Kingston, Ontario

Canada K7L 3N6

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:00:14 -0400

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From: Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Academic treatment of the Beats

In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.91.950912155326.59797A-100000@aix1.ucok.edu> from

"Scott Bauman" at Sep 12, 95 03:56:29 pm

Scott Bauman writes:

> Question: Should the biographical history of the author continue to be

> the primary focus of Beat criticism? I refer primarily to Kerouac, but

> Ginsberg and Burroughs also suffer (whoops... have I just revealed my

> bias?) from an overabundance of biographical application, perhaps keeping

> their works from being considered in a more scholarly light.

Scott--

I love the Beats--and I share your bias. I just finished

teaching Contemporary Poetry this summer, and I had difficulty working

to help some students take biographical detail *with them* into textual

and historical explorations of Beat poetry.

We also had this trouble with many other post-WW2 poets:

students seeing for the first time the biographies of Lowell, Plath,

Berryman, Rich, Sexton, Baraka, Bukowski, Lorde, et. al. (to name only

the first eight at the top of my head) found biographical information so

powerful that they occasionally got lost in it. The willingness to get

lost is crucial, to a certain extent. For some, though, the trouble

came when I tried to use their interests in biography as a springboard

toward looking at the poems themselves.

At any rate, my students seemed to have the most difficulty

moving from biography to poetry (or back and forth between the two) in

our work with Ginsberg and Kerouac. Of course, they had lots of models

for their resistance to extend biographical material into the poetry--

much of what they see published in mainstream media outlets examines the

media presence of the Beats at the expense of Beat literature itself. I

directed them to useful scholarly sources, but it seems to me that too

many scholars hold the same resistances as do mainstream media toward

textual/historical analysis.

I do not mean to suggest (nor, I think, does Scott) that textual

or historical analysis must be the standard against which one measures

the value of literature. I do think, however, that Beat poetry measures

well against this standard, and that this standard enhances the experience

of Beat literature itself.

I recognize I may be overgeneralizing. I would love to hear how

others respond to Scott's question.

Tony

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:13:05 -0400

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From: "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Beat DataBase

This is a good idea, and clearly it has been given a lot of thought. The

mechanics of building such a database are admittedly beyond the scope of my

own skills, but this would be my suggestion:

The same functions (linking data, threads, etc.) could also be performed

using an HTML-based archive. (I.E. via the world-wide web) Such an archive,

with links between the various fields, would have the potential advantage of

a graphical interface and would be relatively easier for the average joe (or

josephine) to access and peruse. (Not all of us are sold on Microsoft

platforms, anyway; it seems to me that HTML is a more universal

language-in-the-making.)

Again, I'm a relative neophyte ("Dammit Jim, I'm a poet, not a computer

programmer!"), but now you have my five cents worth (allowing for inflation).

W. Luther Jett

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:16:38 -0400

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From: Cosmic Baseball Association <cosmic@CLARK.NET>

Subject: Re: Academic treatment of the Beats

Comments: To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"

<BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

I think the issue is that the nature of the work which is frequently

(auto)biographical.

On the other hand it seems to me that the world of academe has applied quite

a bit of scholarship to the movement. But you are right, much of the focus

is ad hominem.

Another possible focus, of course, is the cultural fabric in which the beats

existed.

Here the academic community excels at puffing up...

Catch you later,

Andrew

cosmic@clark.net

>Question: Should the biographical history of the author continue to be

>the primary focus of Beat criticism?

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:23:56 -0700

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: Beat DataBase

In-Reply-To: <950912181304_17446577@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "W. Luther Jett"

at Sep 12, 95 06:13:05 pm

> The same functions (linking data, threads, etc.) could also be performed

> using an HTML-based archive. (I.E. via the world-wide web) Such an archive,

Certainly an HTML interface to the database would be ideal. I think a

combination of a database back-end with an HTML surface would be best. In

fact many webmasters are currently looking to employ the power of relational

databases within their websites.

I've been in touch with Perry about this database idea, and would be happy

to provide access through my website -- provided that somebody else does

all the work building the database.

> Again, I'm a relative neophyte ("Dammit Jim, I'm a poet, not a computer

> programmer!"), but now you have my five cents worth (allowing for inflation).

Your five cents have been well spent.

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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

(the beat literature web site)

Queensboro Ballads: http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/

(my fantasy folk-rock album)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"Way far back in the beginning of the world was the whirlwind warning

that we would all be blown away like chips and cry -- Men with tired

eyes realize it now, and wait to deform and decay -- with maybe they

have the power of love yet in their hearts just the same, I just don't

know what that word means anymore -- all I want is an ice cream cone"

-- Jack Kerouac, 'Desolation Angels'

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:22:32 -0400

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From: "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re re Pull my Daisy

The complete (?) text of "Pull My Daisy" (the poem) can be found on pages 3-5

of "Scattered Poems" by Jack Kerouac (City Lights, 1971). Kerouac, Ginsberg,

and Casady are credited as the authors, and the date of composition is given

as 1948-1950? (sic).

"Pull my daisy

"tip my cup

"all my doors are open

"Cut my thoughts

"for coconuts

"all my eggs are broken . . . ."

I saw the flick back in the seventies. The poem was set to music - perhaps

that's the David Amram cut cited in someone else's post.

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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:14:36 GMT+1000

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From: Gerard Boland <GBOLAND@BARTS.MIT.CSU.EDU.AU>

Subject: Re: Pull my Daisy

Comments: cc: "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@aol.com>

On Tue, 12 Sep 1995 "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@aol.com> wrote:

The complete (?) text of "Pull My Daisy" (the poem) can be found on

pages 3-5 of "Scattered Poems" by Jack Kerouac (City Lights, 1971).

Kerouac, Ginsberg,and Casady are credited as the authors, and the date

of composition is given as 1948-1950? (sic).

"Pull my daisy

"tip my cup

"all my doors are open

"Cut my thoughts

"for coconuts

"all my eggs are broken . . . ."

I saw the flick back in the seventies. The poem was set to music -

perhapsthat's the David Amram cut cited in someone else's post.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oo0oo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hiya "W. Luther Jett & All:

Well, sort of... these are the versions of the poem(s) which were

developed over several years...examples of those guys goofing

together...

But the text of the film is something altogether different and quite

masterful in the narrative effort by JK.

I saw it in Newcastle-Upon-Tyne in 1982... was the first time that I

heard JK's voice... I was really impressed by the expressive quality of

his voice (a GREAT storyteller!) 11 yrs later got the CD set but alas

his work on Pull My Daisy wasn't on them.

The Amram Quintet (with Lynn Sheffield singing) version of one of the

poems can be heard on "The Beat Generation" CD set, v. 2., I beleive

this is the version that you also hear at the beginning and/or end of

the film.

On the other thread re: Academia

Much of the problem with the literary criticism of the time (and

continuing for many years) was the effete and snivelling, high culture

BS of "The New Criticism" and their effort to separate the author &

zeitgeist from the work under consideration. They could understand

Kerouac not one whit... a complete mismatch of aesthetic tastes and

concerns... fuelled as well by post-war/Cold War paranoia and American

triumphalist conformity to its own propaganda...

And they failed to see the tenderness of his vision of America, and how

he continued the threads spun out by Whitman, London, Wolfe, etc... the

vision of bums and "marginals" didn't fit their vision of America and

what American literature should be about.

Yow! Don't get me started! Ha! Woooo! Woof!

And the other thread re: Database

Bravo... I think that Levi Asher's suggestion makes the most sense for

availability and easy of access.

And finally... who's gonna report on the conference/celebration in

Lowell?

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:37:02 PDT

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From: "Bruce Greeley (Echo News Service)" <v-bgree@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject: Re: Pull my diasy?

Jack's great ad-lib dialog for this soundtrack is NOT on the RHino

anthology of Kerouac's works (which is still a priceless great recording!)

cheers,

Bruce

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From: Nicholas Herren <NPH002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: Pull my diasy?

Date: Tuesday, September 12, 1995 4:02PM

Or whatever the title of this play they are talking about. I was just

wondering if this reading it sounds like is not included on the Box set

of Jack Kerouac recordings that I have seen in stores. Unfortunately I do

not have a copy so I don't know.

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:33:29 -0400

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: No Subject

not much really...hes pretty vague....its called bannisteria cappi

(harmaline,telepathine...)you may want to try burroughs book "the yage

letters"

other than that...its a plant (the root of) that grows in south

america....burroughs said that the indians there knew where to find it...they

used it as a means to contact the spirits.....bill thought it may save his

life...beat heroin....a wonderdrug---soma so to speak.

yage is mentioned in almost all of bills work...the last i read it in was

"queer".

if you find out more let me know!!!!

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:40:38 -0400

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From: "Joshua S. Miller" <DrBenwaye@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Dharma beat email change

how do i send you the money???!!! i want a copy please!!!

drbenway@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:37:39 -0500

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From: Nicholas Herren <NPH002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Academic treatment of the Beats

I can understand the problems you are dealing with in trying to make people

see the actual works of KEROUAC, GINSBERG, BURROUGHS, HOLMES. I myself

have tried to get people to read them in order that they might see this

vibrant and truly awesome style of dealing with writing. However people

always seem to get stuck on the lives of the authors and cant see the works

as separate entities.

But I can see how this problem arises, especially with KEROUAC, IN THat

the works seem to be so biographical that the lifestyle either intrigues

you or turns you away and there for the question of the actual life always

comes up. So, i think it is important that people do indeed know the

biographical information because it helps you to see why they wrote what

they wrote.

That is why I have taken a haitus from reading all of Kerouacs works until

I read Ann Charters book of selected Letters. All of these letters in the

book occur before the publication of On The Road and therefore give a very

good light unto Kerouacs state of mind.

Course thats just my opinion, maybe Im just stuck in a corner like Holmes.

Nick Herren

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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 06:48:20 -0400

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From: Perry Lindstrom <LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>

Subject: More on the Database

Glad to see the interest in making this available. I would certainly be

delighted to make this available through Levi's web site. Now all we need is

some data -- actually a lot of data! Are there any undergrads or grads out

there who want to take this on as a project? No money, but a lot of credit.

Perry Lindstrom

LindLitGrp@AOL.com

Arlington,VA

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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:21:33 EDT

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From: "Stedman, Jim" <JSTEDMAN@NMU.EDU>

Subject: Re[2]: re Pull My Daisy

In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:16:41 EDT

There is an incredible reading of Pull My Daisy on the Ginsberg box

set.By the third verse, he really gets rolling with the rhythm, and

manages to get the crowd's spirit attached. It is presented in a longer

form than I ever remember reading it... and is quite boisterous!

Tim -- if you'd like a copy of this, you know how to get in touch with

me!

Jim S.

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