From: "Joshua S. Miller"
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Subject: Re: BEAT-L Digest - 15 Sep 1995 to 16
Sep 1995
While
on the subject of typos...it's improvs' , not impros.
@>~~~~
:)
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From: Richard Centing
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Subject: Re: Holmes, Anything Worth Reading
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:44:32
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ss
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From: Rene Zamora Zepeda
<Quetzal666@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Dream film
just
curious....what did you guys think of the actors in cronenberg's 'naked
lunch'?.....rene
........(box
office draw versus?)...........how 'bout leonardo di caprio as
lucien?
he already played jim carroll in 'basketball diaries'...anyone see
that or
read the book?....i know, i know...sunday ramble......go
then.....rene
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From: Rene Zamora Zepeda
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Subject: Re: Kerouac, Friends and Cox
courtney
cox huh...in 'memory babe' it was said that kerouac only '...liked
to make
a girl whom his friend (hal chase), had made first.'......also (same
page),
'For years he had washed his own handkerchiefs so that his mother
wouldn't
find evidence of his masturbation. . . .'..............regards
....rene
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From: "FringeWare Daily (by way of
reeves@odyssey.com.au john reeves)"
<email@FRINGEWARE.COM>
Subject: YUCKS - The Author Collar
Comments:
To: Bonnie Howard <HOWARDB@SONOMA.EDU>
Sent
from: jim@SmallWorks.COM (Jim Thompson)
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>Forwarded-by:
Mike Olson <mao@illustra.com>
>Forwarded-by:
Michael Ubell <michael>
>From:
MMGORMAN@com.informix.com
August
12, 1995 -- Scottsdale, AZ -- The Coriolis Group today announced
a major
technology break through for the dissertation, publishing and
software
industries called the Author Collar. This device, created by
Coriolis'
Managing Editor, Ron Pronk, provides an innovative system to
track
and manage projects being developed by authors, PhD dissertation
writers,
software developers, and other freelance staff who are critical
to the
success of publishing-related projects.
The
Author Collar is designed to be worn around the neck of an author and
connects
to a personal computer using a standard SCSI port. With custom
software
developed by the Coriolis Group, the Author Collar can be
connected
to the Internet using a standard SLIP or PPP connection. Once
connected,
a product manager/thesis advisor can monitor the productivity
of an
author. If the author gets behind on an important project, the
manager/advisor
can send an email message and 'zap' the author a
low-voltage
electronic shock to keep him or her on schedule. This is the
first
time a technology like this has been developed to be used over the
Internet.
"We've
been testing the Collar on some of our authors/dissertation writers
for the
past few months and it has helped to increase writing productivity
over
72%," stated Pronk. "I especially like the Collar because I can get
instant
results. Instead of waiting days or perhaps weeks for a delinquent
author/dissertation
writer to get back to me, I can send a message across
the
Internet, 'zap' the author to get his or her immediate attention, and
get a
phone call/Email back in no time at all. With the use of this
innovative
technology, I can manage many more projects than I was able to
in the
past."
"We've
had especially gratifying results from disseration writers with
small
children. We've installed the device on the children. The
productivity
improvements are close to 100%. It is especially important
to know
when to zap the little tikes. Early
hours of the AM, say 2 or 3
are not
productive. The children only wake their parents and that slows
productivity. During the day is not too good either
because the kids are
out to
play or at baby sitters. The real good time is in the early evening
when
the kids are taking a bath. The zap is especially enhanced..."
"The
only real surprise has been with authors who have teen-age children.
When
the device is connected to the teen-agers, productivity decreases.
Seems
the parents look forward to the zapping event."
"A
few authors were reluctant to participate at first," Pronk admitted,
"but
after they overcame their initial hesitation, they've actually come
to like
it. An interesting thing happens.
Authors no longer go through
the day
with that nagging stressed-out feeling that comes from ducking my
phone
calls. Instead, I give them a mild
'zap,' which essentially tells
them,
'hey, let's pick up the pace, here.' It actually removes some of
their
guilt feelings about being late, and at the same time encourages
them to
deliver material more quickly. So it's a win-win situation for
everybody
involved."
"We've
invested heavily in this technology to give our company a
competitive
edge over other publishing companies in our market," stated
Coriolis
Publisher and CEO Keith Weiskamp.
"With the Author Collar, any
of our
authors can easily crank out a 1,000+ page book in 21 days or less.
In
terms of productivity savings, Author Collar may turn out to be one of
the
most useful tools developed using the dynamic power of the Internet."
The
Author Collar can be used for a wide range of industries and
applications.
The Collar requires an IBM compatible PC or Macintosh with
a SCSI
port. In addition, a willing participant is required as well as a
PPP or
SLIP Internet connection. Pricing for
the Author Collar has not
been
determined. A deluxe version of the Collar is under development that
would
allow managers to assign unique "hot keys" for activating multiple
Collars,
directly from the keyboard.
--
Jim
Thompson jim@SmallWorks.COM
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From: "Susan V. Pulley"
<SVPULLE@TEL1.ACCUSORT.COM>
Organization:
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Subject: Re: YUCKS - The Author Collar
The
Author Collar sounds like someone's attempt to imitate Jonathan
Swift
satirical (yet realistic) solution to too many babies being born in
Irland
(I apologise that the name of the essay escapes me)......Old
age is
such a pain in the --- well, you know what I mean.
It's a
joy to communicate
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From: Levi Asher
<brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Shot in the Dark (fwd)
Somebody
asked me this question -- does anyone know who this is?
>
There is a writer associated with the beat generated who
>
had a polish last name...
>
His work was rather autobiographical (rather transparently)
> He
wrote about guys who did beat things... lost jobs, used excessive
>
amounts of drugs, etc.
> He
was a boxer... he worked as a janitor... he bet on horse races
>
with some foreign kid... he had a cardboard suitcase...
> Do
you know him?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Levi Asher =
brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Way
far back in the beginning of the world was the whirlwind warning
that we would all be blown away like chips
and cry -- Men with tired
eyes realize it now, and wait to deform and
decay -- with maybe they
have the power of love yet in their hearts
just the same, I just don't
know what that word means anymore -- all I
want is an ice cream cone"
-- Jack Kerouac, 'Desolation
Angels'
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From: Michael Heeg
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Subject: Re: Shot in the Dark (fwd)
Charles Bukowski
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Date: 9/25/95 10:49 AM
Somebody
asked me this question -- does anyone know who this is?
>
There is a writer associated with the beat generated who
>
had a polish last name...
>
His work was rather autobiographical (rather transparently)
> He
wrote about guys who did beat things... lost jobs, used excessive
>
amounts of drugs, etc.
> He
was a boxer... he worked as a janitor... he bet on horse races
>
with some foreign kid... he had a cardboard suitcase...
> Do
you know him?
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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Way
far back in the beginning of the world was the whirlwind warning
that we would all be blown away like chips
and cry -- Men with tired
eyes realize it now, and wait to deform and
decay -- with maybe they
have the power of love yet in their hearts
just the same, I just don't
know what that word means anymore -- all I
want is an ice cream cone"
-- Jack Kerouac, 'Desolation
Angels'
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From: "Bruce Greeley (Echo News
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Subject: Re: Shot in the Dark (fwd)
Bukowski
of course!
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From:
Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>
To:
Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L
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Subject:
Shot in the Dark (fwd)
Date:
Monday, September 25, 1995 7:33AM
Somebody
asked me this question -- does anyone know who this is?
>
There is a writer associated with the beat generated who
>
had a polish last name...
>
His work was rather autobiographical (rather transparently)
> He
wrote about guys who did beat things... lost jobs, used excessive
>
amounts of drugs, etc.
> He
was a boxer... he worked as a janitor... he bet on horse races
>
with some foreign kid... he had a cardboard suitcase...
> Do
you know him?
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Levi Asher =
brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Way
far back in the beginning of the world was the whirlwind warning
that we would all be blown away like chips
and cry -- Men with tired
eyes realize it now, and wait to deform and
decay -- with maybe they
have the power of love yet in their hearts
just the same, I just don't
know what that word means anymore -- all I
want is an ice cream cone"
-- Jack Kerouac, 'Desolation
Angels'
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From: Bill Gargan
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Subject: Latham article
Since
I've had a request for the Latham citation:
Latham, Aaron. "The Columbi
a
Murder That Gave Birth To The Beats."
New York Magazine, April 19, 1976, pp.
41-53.
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From: Levi Asher
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In-Reply-To:
<9509251655.AA05368@netmail2.microsoft.com> from "Bruce
Greeley"
at Sep 25, 95 08:48:58 am
>
>
Bukowski of course!
>
Somebody asked me this question -- does anyone know who this is?
>
>
> There is a writer associated with the beat generated who
>
> had a polish last name...
>
> His work was rather autobiographical (rather transparently)
>
> He wrote about guys who did beat things... lost jobs, used excessive
>
> amounts of drugs, etc.
>
> He was a boxer... he worked as a janitor... he bet on horse races
>
> with some foreign kid... he had a cardboard suitcase...
>
> Do you know him?
>
Wow --
talk about missing the forest for the trees. I had set my
radar
for a real obscure name, and skipped right past this obvious
answer. Thanks!
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Levi Asher =
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Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Way
far back in the beginning of the world was the whirlwind warning
that we would all be blown away like chips
and cry -- Men with tired
eyes realize it now, and wait to deform and
decay -- with maybe they
have the power of love yet in their hearts
just the same, I just don't
know what that word means anymore -- all I
want is an ice cream cone"
-- Jack Kerouac, 'Desolation
Angels'
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From: Laurie Syrek <HamOnRye5@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Shot in the Dark (fwd)
BUKOWSKI!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Matt Owen
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Subject: New Member Introduction
Matt
Owen
Sheridan
College
Sheridan,
Wyoming 82801
Email: mowen@rambo.sc.whecn.edu
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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>
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Subject: ON THE ROAD "messages to
Garcia" passage
Hi
Folks,
Last
night I was reading ON THE ROAD and came across this passage, on page
164 of
the Signet paperback edition: " -- and then he came to the end of his
song,
and for this there had to be elaborate preparations, during which time
you
could send all the messages to Garcia around the world twelve times and
what
difference did it make to anybody?"
So
whaddaya think? Is this some kind of prophetic passage illustrating
Ginsberg's
notion that Kerouac was Universal Mind while writing? Or is there
a more
mundane explanation? Perhaps "messages to Garcia" was a line in some
popular
song of the day? I don't know. If one of you does, please clue me in.
Thanks,
Dan B.
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From: Peter Scott
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Subject: Ginsberg on Rock & Roll (PBS)
In-Reply-To: <3590844382.31204491@RedwoodFN.org>
Anyone
been watching "Rock & Roll" on PBS in the last couple of days?
Ginsberg
has been talking a lot...mainly about Bob Dylan and the Beatles.
There
were also shots of the Kerouac funeral.
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From: Dan Barth
<Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>
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Subject: Re: Masculinity, violence, and
night-time-jitters
An update
here. Did beat men beat beat women, etc. On page 101 of ON THE ROAD
(Signet
paperback edition) Sal Paradise says: "My aunt once said the world
would
never find peace until men fell at their women's feet and asked for
forgiveness.
But Dean knew this; he'd mentioned it many times. . . .
" 'The truth of the matter is we
don't understand our women; we blame on
them
and it's all our fault,' I said."
So, more food for thought. ON THE ROAD
is quite interesting in terms of
sex
roles and relationships. Galatea Dunkel is an intriguing character. Check
out the
first four chapters of Part Three in particular.
On this same subject, the Fall '95 issue
of HUNGRY MIND REVIEW (free in
many
bookstores) focuses on Men and Women. It has a number of interesting
essays
and reviews, including one by Leslie Marmon Silko in which she says:
"No
beast more dangerous in the U.S.A. than an unemployed white man." Sexism?
Racism?
Hmm, hummm, hmm ... This issue also
includes writers'
recommendations
of books for young adults. Joyce Carol Oates' recommendations
include
ON THE ROAD, which she says "is told by an older adolescent." Well,
as her
New Yorker review of THE PORTABLE JACK KEROUAC and J.K.: SELECTED
LETTERS shows, she doesn't quite get it. But she is
starting to get a clue.
All for
now.
Best,
Dan B.
dan_barth@redwoodfn.org
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From: mARK hEMENWAY
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Subject: Re: ON THE ROAD "messages to
Garcia" passage
Dan,
"Message
to Garcia" was an inspirational story current around the end of
the
19th century. It's only a couple of pages, and in fact is on-line in
one of
the electronic book libraries.
Anyway,
the story is basically this- Garcia is a guerilla leader in Cuba
(I
think, or some othe Spanish-American war place). The American Commander
needs
to get a "Message to Garcia" and a young soldier takes it there
braving
surmounting all kinds of terrible jungle-type trials. This soldier
is an
example of the kind of man "modern business" needs. The moral of the
story
is "just do it", don't be side tracked, etc; or that the man who
wants
to succeed in this capitalist world had better be prepared to
sacrifice
all to do his job (depending on your philosophical bent). In my
opinon,
it is not one of the better pieces of this type so popular at the
time.
It does appear in references frequently and must have been widely
read
and discussed.
Mark
Hemenway
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From: "Tracey L. Milton"
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Subject: Re: Ginsberg on Rock & Roll (PBS)
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.OSF.3.91.950926115715.11844D-100000@moondog.usask.ca>; from
"Peter Scott" at Sep
26, 95 11:58 am
Oh
Man!! I tuned in too late (9:30) and missed the funeral part.
Did see
Ginsberg talk eloquently about the Beatles tho....
If
someone taped the entire first hour and lives near Boston.....oh well.
TONIGHT
they are doing blues/r&B and the effect of same on the psychedelic
type
tunes. They'll feature zep, the Dead, and the Velvet Underground, I think.
I've already
got *this* taping request taken care of...
I
thought what I saw so far of the series was excellent. Even my swill hard
buddy
who was over was impressed with it :)
Tracey
>
>
Anyone been watching "Rock & Roll" on PBS in the last couple of
days?
>
Ginsberg has been talking a lot...mainly about Bob Dylan and the Beatles.
>
There were also shots of the Kerouac funeral.
>
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Subject: Re: Patti Smith
Patti
Smith is supposed to on one of those PBS shows. Sounds like tonight
might
be it.
Mark H.
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From: "Jeffrey L. Meikle"
<meikle@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: messages to Garcia
Dan
Barth writes:
>Last
night I was reading ON THE ROAD and came across this passage, on page
>164
of the Signet paperback edition: " -- and then he came to the end of his
>song,
and for this there had to be elaborate preparations, during which time
>you
could send all the messages to Garcia around the world twelve times and
>what
difference did it make to anybody?"
It'd be
nice to think Ol' Jack is synched in to Jerry Garcia and the Dead
but
he's really just betraying his Lowell high school erudition here. "A
Message
to Garcia" was a pro-big-business tract published in 1899 by Elbert
Hubbard,
a former soap salesman who went into the Arts and Crafts business,
founded
a retreat in upstate New York where burned-out executives and their
wives
could pay big bucks to learn hand-printing, bookbinding, carpentry,
metal-working,
and attend uplifting lectures (kind of an early Esalen
Institute
without the redeeming features). An old
professor of mine called
him
"the man with the limp noodle mind," but I never figured out
why. A
chain
of giftshops across the country sold rustic nicknacks and the many
little
books of "Fra Elbertus," as he was known. Ironically, given that he
wore
monk's robes and dallied with the middle ages, Elbertus and his missus
went
down when the Lusitania was torpedoed.
"Message to Garcia" was just
the
sort of uplifting stuff that would have been required reading among the
stuffier
English teachers when Jack was in school.
Kind of like a
reference
to Scott Peck or Robert Fulghum today.
--Jeff
Meikle
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From: "W. Luther Jett"
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Subject: Re: "Message to Garcia"
Dan
Barth writes:
>Last
night I was reading ON THE ROAD and came across this >passage, on
page164
of the Signet paperback edition: " -- and >then he came to the end of
his
song, and for this there had to >be elaborate preparations, during which
time
you could send >all the messages to Garcia around the world twelve times
and
>what difference did it make to anybody?"
>So
whaddaya think? Is this some kind of prophetic passage >illustrating
Ginsberg's
notion that Kerouac was Universal >Mind while writing? Or is there
a more
mundane explanation? >Perhaps "messages to Garcia" was a line in
some
popular
song >of the day? I don't know. If one of you does, please clue me
in.
Well,
since you asked: The reference is to
popular culture, but not to a
line in
any song. "The Message to Garcia" is the title of an essay by Elbert
Hubbard,
a popular inspirational writer of the late-19th century. It was his
rather
garbled account of a covert mission just before the outbreak of the
Spanish-American
War, in which a U.S. army lieutenant stationed in Cuba
carried
a message *from* Cuban revolutionary General Calixto Garcia *to*
then-President
William McKinley. Of course, Hubbard got his facts twisted,
but the
essay established the incident in American popular culture. By the
time
Kerouac used the term, it had become virtually an idiom for any vital
message.
Apparently,
the use of this idiom has now all but faded. Hate to be a
killjoy,
but I doubt there's any hidden prophetic sub-text here - Just good
vernacular
writing.
Luther
Jett
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Subject: Some of the dharma
In the introduction of "Visions
of Cody", allen ginsberg speak about
a book
by kerouac: "Some of the dharma". Was this book published?
Vic
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From: Michael Skau
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Subject: fugs
For Ed
Sanders's recordings, people might also be interested in his
appearances
on John Giorno's Dial-a-Poem Poets records:
"Cemetery
Hill" (recorded 19 July 1965) on _The Dial-a-Poem Poets_ (1972)
"Stand
by my Side, Oh Lord" (rec. 9 May 1973) on _Disconnected_ (1974)
"The
Struggle" (rec. 1 Jan. 1975) on _Biting off the Tongue of a Corpse_ (1975)
"This
is the Age of Investigation Poetry and Every Citizen Must Investigate"
(rec. 1 Jan. 1976) on _Totally
Corrupt_ (1976)
"A
Monologue" from The Fugs (rec. 1 June 1968) on _Big Ego_ (1978)
In
addition, _Proto Punk_ (my copy is dated 1982, not 1983), released by
Adelphi
Records, is cited on the album spine as _The Fugs Greatest Hits
Vol.
I_, with remastered tapes and discs and with liner notes (cont. on
insert)
by Lester Bangs. I don't know if subsequent volumes were issued.
Cheers
to all the slum gods and goddesses.
Michael
Skau
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What's
Ginsberg been saying about Bobby D, the Beatles etc? I'm out of the
country
and can't possibly see this. Thanks.
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From: Mary Maguire
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Subject: dream film
On
Sept. 22, 1995, Levi Asher wrote (re: a young Dennis Hopper in the role
of Dean
Moriarty):
>No
way, much too surly. Remember, Neal was known for his
>friendliness
and charm. Does that describe Dennis Hopper?
Friendliness
and charm? I hope Francis Ford Coppola takes Dean Moriarty
past
THIS sentimental assessment. In _Jack's Book_, John Clellon Holmes
describes
Neal Cassady this way:
"Neal
was a psychopath in the traditional and most rigorous sense of the
term.
That is, he acted out everything that occurred to him."
Casting
Brad Pitt (or perhaps Sean Penn) in this role is perfect. Hasn't
anybody
seen _Kalifornia_? ;-)
And as
for Dennis Hopper's ability to play a frenetic, raving traveller,
his
performance as the freelance photographer in Coppola's _Apocalypse
Now_
was one of the best portrayals of drug-enhanced mania I've had the
pleasure
to see.
I tried
unsuccessfully some months ago to introduce a discussion of the
complexities
of Neal's character -- of his effect on Jack as a writer and
on us
as readers. Perhaps now, instead of focussing on the casting for _On
the
Road_, we could examine how Coppola might approach the story, how
contemporary
American audiences might receive it, etc.
Will it
be a simple road story? And if so, how will audiences react to the
motives
(sexual and otherwise) of our heroes? Will it be about escaping a
hypocritical
Establishment? The Gen-Xers will surely relate.
Will it
be a character study of Dean Moriarty? Last American hero? A
lesson
in living instinctually, for the moment? Jack romanticized this
character;
will Coppola do the same?
Or will
this director repeat the brilliance of _Apocalypse Now_ -- and its
treatment
of Conrad's Kurtz -- by turning a character study of Dean into a
story
about the development of the artist, Sal, so that Sal becomes the
hero?
This is what I hope for, but it would require a _Visions of Cody_
twist.
Any
ideas out there?
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Subject: Re: dream film
In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Wed, 27 Sep 1995
22:47:25 EDT
I think
that an interesting way to approach a filmed version of OTR
would
be to also consider the how and when of its having been written.
As
enthralling as the tale told is the story of Jack pounding away on
the
teletype roll, of Allen carrying the manuscript around, trying to
hawk it
to folks like Carl Solomon, and of Jack's world that followed
Millstein's
review in the NYTimes. End it with that wonderful, telling
scene
(I think this might be told in Desolation Angels... might be wrong
though)
of Jack opening-up that crate of 1st editions, just as Neal
comes
into the room. There was something about Neal's expression that
probably
haunted Jack through many a happy hour.
Whaddya
Know,
Jim
Stedman
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From: Levi Asher
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In-Reply-To:
<Pine.3.89.9509272201.D18648-0100000@cchtor> from "Mary
Maguire"
at Sep 27, 95 10:47:25 pm
>
Friendliness and charm? I hope Francis Ford Coppola takes Dean Moriarty
>
past THIS sentimental assessment. In _Jack's Book_, John Clellon Holmes
>
describes Neal Cassady this way:
>
>
"Neal was a psychopath in the traditional and most rigorous sense of the
>
term. That is, he acted out everything that occurred to him."
>
>
Casting Brad Pitt (or perhaps Sean Penn) in this role is perfect. Hasn't
>
anybody seen _Kalifornia_? ;-)
I
continue to respectfully disagree.
Holmes was not Neal's friend.
I've read
many
other accounts of Neal and the descriptions often remark on his infectious
enthusiasm
for everything around him, and his ability to win people over by
making
them feel good about themselves. I
remember, for instance, Kerouac's
description
of the way Neal might make a person who owned a record album feel
as if a
record album was just the most amazing, wonderful thing in the world
for
somebody to own, and "could we listen to it right now?" This is a
salesman's
charm, perhaps -- but it's not consistent with Dennis Hopper/Brad
Pitt-style
nastiness.
I'm
also sick of the Hollywood psychopath.
Kalifornia, Natural Born Killers,
the
standard bad-guy-vs.-Stallone/Eastwood/Seagall shoot-em-up film -- they
all do
the schtick Dennis Hopper did so well in 'Blue Velvet' (back when it
was
original). 'On The Road' has nothing to
do with this kind of character,
and I
would be very disappointed if the film tried to follow this trend.
Back to
this:
>
Will it be a simple road story? And if so, how will audiences react to the
>
motives (sexual and otherwise) of our heroes? Will it be about escaping a
>
hypocritical Establishment? The Gen-Xers will surely relate.
>
>
Will it be a character study of Dean Moriarty? Last American hero? A
>
lesson in living instinctually, for the moment? Jack romanticized this
>
character; will Coppola do the same?
These
are good questions: I also hope the film will be about America in
the
40's. The diners, the dusty roads, the
water tower in Shelton,
Nebraska
... I think these things might translate very well into film.
I also
liked Jim Stedman's idea about bracketing the film with the
story
of how it was written and published. An
unusual idea, but I'll go
along
with it.
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brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Way
far back in the beginning of the world was the whirlwind warning
that we would all be blown away like chips
and cry -- Men with tired
eyes realize it now, and wait to deform and
decay -- with maybe they
have the power of love yet in their hearts
just the same, I just don't
know what that word means anymore -- all I
want is an ice cream cone"
-- Jack Kerouac, 'Desolation
Angels'
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From: Andrew Burnett
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Subject: Coppola/Cassady
Thanks,
Mary Maguire, for your post on Coppola and the mystery of how he'll
treat
Cassady in his version of OTR....
As Levi
Asher wrote, Neal was known for his "friendliness and charm," but
Mary's
point is on the mark, too, via Holme's quote ("Neal was a psychopath
in the
traditional and most rigorous sense of the
>term.)
-- Neal _was_ an operator, a consummate, pathological one (Aren't we
all at
one level or another? Neal was just
really good at it (or was he?)),
and I
have a feeling that a lot of his interactions were transactions, plain
and
simple: someone has $/sex/wisdom and I want it. It seems to me as if
Neal
was under the delusion that he had to present a false
superhero-American
self to get at the $/sex/wisdom (it was his for the asking).
I
always wonder about NC: would I have allowed myself to be utterly charmed
by
him? Or would I have been repulsed by
his game-playing/posturing? (I
imagine
I would have _allowed_ myself to be charmed in spite of the
game-playing,
as so many of his friends/loved ones did.) (All this is said
in
context: we're all failures, all saints; I think about NC a lot.)
As Mary
said, I hope (hope!) that Coppola comes through with the complexity
of the
NC/JK experience: NC's pathological dynamism (whatever this is - it
sounds
right); the bisexuality that must have been a component (it's
inextricably
a part of NC, JK); the raging omni-sexuality; the existential
fever
to move/never stop. My expectation
(please, I want to be
disappointed),
is that Coppola's going to do something about a couple of
post-war,
step-it-up-and-go "Buddies."
But
it's a hell of a lot of fun to fantasize about casting: Brad Pitt as NC,
yes, a
la his pathological cowboy in T/Louise; Jack is tougher: I don't see
Sean
Penn succeeding in either role. (God,
too bad DeNiro's the age he is:
he
would have been a _great_ Kerouac.)(DeNiro would be a great _late_ JK
right
now)(pounds added a la Raging Bull).
I'm still not on the right
actor,
but what about Kevin Spacey (is that it?) -- Glengarry Glen Ross, The
Usual
Suspects-- that thoughtful, tentative dead-on set of reactions?
just
some thoughts....
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From: Penguin Electronic <ELECTRONIC@PENGUIN.COM>
Subject: Why now
For an
article in New York magazine, why is Beat so hip in 1995?
Where
do Beat references show up in contemporary culture (i.e. 10,000 Maniac's
"Hey, Jack Kerouac")?
Any
thoughts appreciated.
Thanks.
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From: James Druschke
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Subject: Re: dream film
anybody
agree with this?
after waiting so long ( i mean Kerouac
himself sold the movie
rights!)
i hope Coppola doesn't screw it up.
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From: Nicholas Herren
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Subject: Re: Why now
In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Thu, 28 Sep 1995
10:29:37 -0400"
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Well I
am not exactly sure of what the question:
Where
do Beat references show up in contemporary culture (i.e. 10,000 Maniac's
"Hey, Jack Kerouac")?
is
asking, but I would like to say that I believe the Beat Movement SHOULD BE on
a comeback because they had some goods
ideas. Now I aint talking
about
robbing, drinking, and smoking pot no I am talking PHILOSOPHICALLy
I.e. as
Jack Kerouac says in one of his earlier letters:
THOREAU
WAS RIGHT; JESUS WAS RIGHT. IT'S ALL
WRONG and I denounce it and
it can
all go to hell. I don't believe in this
society.
So as
far as I am concerned that I why they should be reread and understood
because
we need some change.
nick
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Subject: Re: dream film
Yeah,
that's the way I feel about it. After looking forward to the movie of
EVEN
COWGIRLS GET THE BLUES (thought it had a pretty good chance with the
right
director) it turned out to be a disastor. So I'm definitely taking a
wait
and see attitude with ON THE ROAD. To me the big name casting is a first
step in
the wrong direction, but . . . we'll see.
Dan B.
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From: Vicente Garcia Pineiro
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Subject: Lars Dolf
In "demon box" by
kesey....houlihan is neal cassady....
who is lars dolf?
vic
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Subject: dream film
mmmmm....jack
already wrote the film....maybe its too late to do it right...
low or
big budget...i dont hink it makes much diff...a big budget file would
garner
more attention & probaly be better funded but have possible outside
control..
i like
Olivers Stones record of dealing with controversial americam myths
i:
vietmam/jfk/the doors/NBK & media manipulations...so i'd give him the job..
as for
actors well give cassady to william defoe & jack to Keanu Reeves...
i dunno
why...
to beat
or not to beat...there is no question...
john ..
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Dream film
How
'bout Dennis Quaid for Neal?
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From: Ralph Virgo <rvirgo@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: dream film
You
wrote:
>
>I
think that an interesting way to approach a filmed version of OTR
>would
be to also consider the how and when of its having been written.
>As
enthralling as the tale told is the story of Jack pounding away on
>the
teletype roll, of Allen carrying the manuscript around, trying to
>hawk
it to folks like Carl Solomon, and of Jack's world that followed
>Millstein's
review in the NYTimes. End it with that wonderful, telling
>scene
(I think this might be told in Desolation Angels... might be
wrong
>though)
of Jack opening-up that crate of 1st editions, just as Neal
>comes
into the room. There was something about Neal's expression that
>probably
haunted Jack through many a happy hour.
>Whaddya
Know,
>Jim
Stedman
This
is, in essence, what Carolyn Cassady's "HeartBeat" was. It was
made
into a film with Nick Nolte more than passable as Neal, John Heard
pretty
bad as Jack, and Sissy Spacek almost right for Carloyn.
I like
the following for key roles in Coppola's "On The Road" film:
Brad
Pitt..........Cassady
Andy
Garcia........Kerouac
Gary
Oldman........Burroughs
Gary
Sinise........Ginsberg
Steve
Buscemi......Huncke
Julianne
Moore.....Carolyn
Drew
Barrymore.....LuAnne
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Subject: Re: "Message to Garcia"
Just
wanted to say thanks to the people who set me straight on "messages to
Garcia."
You guys are so fucking erudite!
Dan B.
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From: Cal Godot <godot@WOLFE.NET>
Subject: Test
This is
a test.
Cal
McInvale JAZZ FLAVORED COFFEE
e-mail:
godot@wolfenet.com
WWW:
http://www.wolfenet.com/~godot/
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What is
most appealing about young folks, after all, is the changes,
not the
still photographs of finished character but the movie,
the
soul in flux. -- Thomas Pynchon
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Subject: Re: Test
>This
is a test.
>
>
IT
WORKS
>Cal
McInvale JAZZ FLAVORED COFFEE
> e-mail:
godot@wolfenet.com
>WWW:
http://www.wolfenet.com/~godot/
>--------------
>What
is most appealing about young folks, after all, is the changes,
>not
the still photographs of finished character but the movie,
>the
soul in flux. -- Thomas Pynchon
>
>
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