beat list september 1995

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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:04:27 +0800

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From: Frank Stevenson <t22001@CC.NTNU.EDU.TW>

Subject: Re: Ginsberg on Rock & Roll (PBS)

Comments: To: Joseph Rodrigue <jrodrigue@VNET.IBM.COM>

In-Reply-To: <9509271927.AA67433@rs580a.haifa.ibm.com>

Yes, I'm in the "same boat" as Joseph Rodrigue, and would REALLY like

to know what Ginsberg said about rock music, etc....but am still waiting

for a reply to JR's post....(What TV show was Ginsberg on? A PBS "Special"?

And they were showing old footage of Kerouac's funeral? This was a special

show about the Beats, or specifically about Ginsberg?) fws, taipei

On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Joseph Rodrigue wrote:

> What's Ginsberg been saying about Bobby D, the Beatles etc? I'm out of the

> country and can't possibly see this. Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:36:11 -0400

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From: Kathryn VanGundy <PrfEnglish@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Howl Obscenity Trial

A student in one of my classes is trying to locate some information on the

actual controversy surrounding "Howl" and the obscenity trial against it for

inclusion in an annotated bibliography. If anyone could provide

bibliographic information for such articles, my student would appreciate it!

We would also be happy to provide a list of what we find to the group, if you

would like.

Thanks!

Kathryn

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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:46:49 -0500

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From: Sherri Hoffman <shoffman@CREIGHTON.EDU>

Subject: Re: Howl Obscenity Trial

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> A student in one of my classes is trying to locate some information on the

> actual controversy surrounding "Howl" and the obscenity trial against it for

> inclusion in an annotated bibliography. If anyone could provide

> bibliographic information for such articles, my student would appreciate it!

These web sites might prove helpful:

1. Banned Books On-line:

http://www.cd.cmu.edu/Web/People/Spok/most-banned.html

2. Literary Kicks (especially Ehrlich's HOWL OF THE CENSOR in the Ginsberg

bibliography):

http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:05:25 -0500

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From: Nicholas Herren <NPH002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Dream film

In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:03:52 -0400"

<950930090352_113039458@mail02.mail.aol.com>

YES YES YES Dennis Quaid oh Howard you are an exccellent fellow because I

was just thinkijng about this matter a few days ago well hours but so any

way I was thinking nobody has worried about the accent of Neal yelling

go go and bobbing his head like this crazy gone man DENNIS did in the

BIG BLUE OR THE Big Deal or the Big something in Lousiana and he is just

friggin perfect for the roll and but then I thought well who cares but

what a stupid idea to post such nonsense as theya ll are doing but now

that since you have agreed to me I must admit that HE IS AN EXCELLENT

Choice.

and also if you must be so FRIGGIN concerned with this film that will never

gbge as good as anybook anyway well I suggest that JACK ole buddy be portrayed

by that guy in Nell because of his stone face but yet he simply MUST get

rid of that damn IRISH Accent and then perfection.

Or all the characters could be ten year olds because On The Road is such a

childishly silly little book anyway as anyone who read the damn thing should

know.

nick

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:59:03 -0400

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From: Robert Roth <BobR6969@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Howl Obscenity Trial

Kathryn:

I use The Portable Beat Reader by Ann Charters in my English composition

classes. There is some "good stuff" about the Howl trial in the text.

Bob

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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:38:50 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Dream film

I say that most of the actors being considered or cast are too old. When

the OTR stories began Dean was 20 and Sal 25. Maybe Brad Pitt as Jack

would be near the age of the character.

I wonder how they will do the scene where the three of them all stripped in

the car. Later Dean stood naked at the side of the road like a statue as

the car drove past and looked. Are they going to have these big stars do

long extended completely nude scenes. I know, they'll show the girl.

And anyhow who cares who they cast for this turkey, the BIG question that

in my opinion will make or break this film...

Did Levi Asher get the part? He auditioned you know and I wonder if he's

heard back yet.

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:19:00 -0400

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From: Mary Maguire <maguirem@CA.CCH.COM>

Subject: Tricycle

The following appeared in Sunday's TORONTO STAR:

"Do you think it's ironic, really, that the late Beat novelist Jack

Kerouac spent a good deal of his be-bopping, travellin' time writing a

pious, straight, passionate biography of Buddha?

The truth, as TRICYCLE, the Buddhist quarterly, says in its cover package,

is that the Beat Generation and its poets -- people like Allen Ginsberg,

Gary Snyder and others -- were essential in helping to transmit Buddhism

to North America.

The package is beautifully produced -- TRICYCLE is one handsome

publication -- and quite interesting and, by the way, Kerouac's tome on

Gautama will soon be out."

Anyone had a chance to read this issue?

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:29:01 -0500

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From: Dan Terkla <terkla@TITAN.IWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Howl Obscenity Trial

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Have them look into Ann Charters' _Portable Beat Reader_ (254-63) and at

Barry Miles' _Allen Ginsberg: Howl (Original draft facsimile, etc.)_. New

York: Harper and Row, 1986. This has recently been reissued in paper and

is a gold mine of information on "Howl" and related matters. My students

and I find it fascinating.

Dan Terkla

Illinois Wesleyan University

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:57:41 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: howl obscenity trial

Make sure you look into "Howl of the Censor" Nourse Pub. Co. 1961

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:01:17 -0700

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: Dream film

In-Reply-To: <199510020538.WAA18075@hsc.usc.edu> from "Timothy K. Gallaher" at

Oct 1, 95 10:38:50 pm

> Did Levi Asher get the part? He auditioned you know and I wonder if he's

> heard back yet.

I can't understand it, but Coppola has not yet called. I'm thinking

maybe he mailed me a contract and it got lost. Damn post office.

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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

(the beat literature web site)

Queensboro Ballads: http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/

(my fantasy folk-rock album)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"Should I pursue a path so twisted?

Or should I crawl, defeated and gifted?"

-- Patti Smith

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:35:45 EDT

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: Tricycle

Haven't read it, but I've seen it. It's excellent and worth getting.

Tricycle has also just published a book titled "Big Sky Mind" which

beautifully documents the beat influence and contribution to American

Buddhism.

Mark Hemenway

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:12:40 -0500

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From: Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject: Chicago Review

Anyone in or near the Chicago area should get hold of this week's READER

paper (a very fine free local paper). The lead article is the first part of

a wonderful piece on the first publication of _The Naked Lunch_ in extracts

in the Chicago Review; how the new Editor discovered the Beats and did two

issues, one on the San Francisco Poets and one on Zen Buddhism, with

Kerouac, Snyder etc ... how with Kerouac's help Burroughs started

corresponding with Irv Rosenthal, Chicago review's editor, and how Rosenthal

slowly started to extract increasingly more obsence pieces in each issue

(this after Ferlinghetti at City Lights and Rosset at Grove had rejected

it); how the Chicago Daily News ran a front-page article on the filth

emanating from the university of Chicago (which owned the Review) and the

amazing political/religious backlash that resulted from this - with

Rosenthal being kicked out of the University and forthcoming issues banned,

and the whole concept of the U of C protecting free speech (one of its

proudest claims) being sacrificed.

But it got Burroughs published and launched onto an unsuspecting world ...

Two points of Kerouac interest as well. -Old Angel Midnight_ was first

published in one of these issues, but was written as _Lucien Midnight_ until

Lucien Carr got out of jail and objected. Also ... to go back to a strand on

this list as week or two back ... Kerouac sent Rosenthal a letter in which

he insisted that Everything must be printed as submitted, even including his

typos. No editing, not even copy-editing. So to leave a printer's typo in a

Kerouac edition really is out of line (subtle publisher's joke there).

The article (continued next week) is by Gerald Brennan. It doesn't say who

he is but the name is vaguely familiar - anyone on the list know?

Nick W-W

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:20:49 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Penguin SF Blues

I stopped by 4 bookstores in NYC this weekend looking through the new Penguin .

95 cent display racks for San Francisco Blues. All 4 stores were sold out of t

he Kerouac title. What's going on? Is someone hoarding? I hope Penguin is ru

sing additional copies to NYC book dealers.

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:42:07 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Dream film

>> Did Levi Asher get the part? He auditioned you know and I wonder if he's

>> heard back yet.

>I can't understand it, but Coppola has not yet called. I'm thinking

>maybe he mailed me a contract and it got lost. Damn post office.

I hate that Post Office.

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:47:27 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Penguin SF Blues

>I stopped by 4 bookstores in NYC this weekend looking through the new=

Penguin .

>95 cent display racks for San Francisco Blues. All 4 stores were sold out=

of t

>he Kerouac title. What's going on? Is someone hoarding? I hope Penguin=

is ru

>sing additional copies to NYC book dealers.

You know, you could buy the complete Book of Blues.

But who am I to talk. I bought the 95 =A2'er. Those little $0.95 books are

great. All sorts of good stuff. I wish they would do this all the time.

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:31:43 -0700

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From: Derek Teslik <dteslik@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: Tricycle

>The following appeared in Sunday's TORONTO STAR:

>"Do you think it's ironic, really, that the late Beat novelist Jack

>Kerouac spent a good deal of his be-bopping, travellin' time writing a

>pious, straight, passionate biography of Buddha?

>The truth, as TRICYCLE, the Buddhist quarterly, says in its cover package,

>is that the Beat Generation and its poets -- people like Allen Ginsberg,

>Gary Snyder and others -- were essential in helping to transmit Buddhism

>to North America.

>The package is beautifully produced -- TRICYCLE is one handsome

>publication -- and quite interesting and, by the way, Kerouac's tome on

>Gautama will soon be out."

>Anyone had a chance to read this issue?

I've leafed through....it looks wonderful. I love this magazine, have never

been disappointed by an issue.

-derek

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Derek Teslik | "The young are the only ones who bring

Helter Skelter Magazine | anything into this world, and they are not

3519 Woodbine St. | young for long"

Chevy Chase, MD 20815 | -William S. Burroughs

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--DTeslik@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:48:36 -0400

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From: Bill Sallee <Censorus@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Test

why assume, as the myths born of mass cunsumtion's imperatives would have it,

that the souls of the young are some how more in flux that those more

advanced along the path of maturity? I put it to you that that far from being

nearly so dynamic the younger soul is merely simpler and less articulated

that it will in time become. youth is boring but more easily manipulated

there in lyes it virtue to the myth makers

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From: Cosmic Baseball Association <cosmic@CLARK.NET>

Subject: Re: Dream film

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>>> Did Levi Asher get the part? He auditioned you know and I wonder if he's

>>> heard back yet.

>>I can't understand it, but Coppola has not yet called. I'm thinking

>>maybe he mailed me a contract and it got lost. Damn post office.

>I hate that Post Office.

Is that the same Post Office Bukowski writes about? Must be.

In any case, it looks like Levi, because he was kind enough to mention the

CBA in his Beat News page, might get a shot playing for the Dharma Beats

cosmic baseball team, so, does he really need a Hollywood career...?

Levi, are you left-handed?

Catch you later,

Andrew

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:48:37 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Re: Tricycle

Yes, a friend sent me the TRICYCLE issue and I read it and enjoyed it. I did

note a couple of factual errors. One article placed Big Sur north of San

Francisco(It's actually south of Monterey which is well south of S.F.); and

the other had to do with the date of composition of ON THE ROAD. I can't

remember exactly but the writer placed the date of composition at some time

other than 1951, by saying something like "It's been x number of years since

Kerouac wrote ON THE ROAD."

Anyway quibble, quibble, quibble. It's a good issue.

Dan B.

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QUIT BEAT-L

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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:13:52 +1000

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From: john reeves <reeves@ODYSSEY.COM.AU>

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:15:43 -0400

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From: Julie Hulvey <JHulvey@AOL.COM>

Subject: Fugs Discography Update

Comments: cc: RHulvey@aol.com

Hello all,

This is Ross, again. I beg the indulgence of everyone.

I am sending an expanded version of my original post,

with corrections and additions. If anybody objects

to this being on the List, I'll refrain from doing it again

(but the discography will be available to any who ask).

Three people responded to my request for further

entries [and I thank them heartily]. Also, I dug a

path through my stacks of boxes of books and

records so that I could gain access to my own

collection of Fugs (having lived too long with

only cassette-dubbed copies of the albums).

Again, if anyone has additions, corrections, or

comments I will forever be in their debt. Please

respond directly to me (RHulvey@aol.com) or

the List, if appropriate.

And so, for the discography:

THE FUGS:

The Village Fugs

(lp, Broadside [Folkways] Records, 304, 1965)

First Fugs Album

[re-issue (I think) of above, often thought

to be THE first Fugs album]

(lp, ESP Records, ESP-1018, 1965)

(lp, Base Record, ESP-1018, nd)

The Fugs First Album

[re-issue of above, with additional tracks]

(cd, Fugs Records, 1993)

The Fugs

[liner notes by Allen Ginsberg]

(lp, ESP Records, ESP-1028, 1966)

(lp, Base Record, ESP-1028, nd)

The Fugs Second Album

[re-issue of above, with additional tracks]

(cd, Fugs Records, 1993)

The ESP Sampler

[Fugs, Holy Modal Rounders, et al]

(lp, ESP Records, ESP-1051, nd)

Tenderness Junction

[guests: Allen Ginsberg & Gregory Corso]

(lp, Reprise Records, RS6280, 1968)

Virgin Fugs

(lp, ESP Records, ESP-1038, 1968)

(lp, Base Record, ESP-1038, nd)

It Crawled Into My Hand, Honest

(lp, Reprise Records, 1969)

(lp, Edsel Records, XED 181, 1986)

The Belle of Avenue A

(lp, Reprise Records, RS6359, 1969)

Golden Filth

[subtitled "Alive at the Filmore East"]

(lp, Reprise Records, RS6396, 1970)

Fugs 4, Rounders Score

[Fugs and Holy Modal Rounders]

(lp, ESP Records, ESP-2018, 1975)

Big Ego

[Fugs does "A Monologue,"

with tracks by other performers]

(lp, Dial-a-Poem, 1978)

Proto-Punk

[subtitled "The Fugs Greatest Hits, Vol. 1]

(lp, Adelphi Records, 1982)

(lp, PVC Records, 1983)

Refuse to be Burnt-Out

(lp, New Rose Records, ROSE 56, 1984)

(lp, Olufsen Records, DOC 5006, 1984)

Baskets of Love

(lp, Olufsen Records, DOC 5009, 1985)

No More Slavery

(lp, Olufsen Records, DOC 5001, 1986)

Star Peace

(2 lps, New Rose Records, ROSE 115, 1987)

Fugs Live in Woodstock

(cd, Musik/Musik, 1989)

Real Woodstock Festival

[should be released by now, but

haven't seen it yet]

(2 cds, Ace Records, 1995)

ED SANDERS:

Sanders' Truckstop

(lp, Reprise Records)

Beer Cans on the Moon

(lp, Reprise Records)

The Dial-a-Poem Poets

[Ed reads "Cemetery Hill"]

(lp, Dial-a-Poem, 1972)

Disconnected

[Ed reads "Stand by My Side, Oh Lord"]

(lp, Dial-a-Poem, 1974)

Biting Off the Tongue of a Corpse

[Ed reads "The Struggle"]

(lp, Dial-a-Poem, 1975)

Totally Corrupt

[Ed reads "This is the Age of Investigation Poetry

and Every Citizen Must Investigate"]

(lp, Dial-a-Poem, 1976)

One World Poetry: Live from Amsterdam

[Ed reads "Ban the Bomb (No Neutron Bomb),"

also readings from Burroughs, di Prima, etc.]

(2-lps, Milkway Records, 1981)

Songs in Ancient Greek

(cd, Olufsen Records, 1989)

The Best of Sanders

(cass., Ed Sanders, 1992)

Poetry in Motion

[Ed & others]

(cd-rom, Voyager Co., QT 11, 1994)

TULI KUPFERBERG:

No Deposit, No Return

(lp, ESP Records, ESP-1035)

(cd, re-issue [not confirmed])

Tuli and Friends

(lp, Shimmy Disc SHIMMY 020, 1989)

Rutles Highway Revisited

[Tuli does "Living in Hope." Also,

tracks by Peter Stampfel, et al]

(cd, Shimmy Disc, SDE 9028/CD, nd)

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:04:05 -0500

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From: "P.G. Springer" <hloosn8@PRAIRIENET.ORG>

Subject: Re: Fugs Discography Update

In-Reply-To: <951003221542_115631326@mail06.mail.aol.com>

I have Tuli K.'s No Deposit No Return pressed in pure yellow vinyl.

The other copies I've seen of this disk are plain black vinyl.

Any word on how many were pressed yellow?

p g

o p s

c o u

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From: Simon Okotie <simon@OKOTIE.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject: Re: Why now

> For an article in New York magazine, why is Beat so hip in 1995?

Just as Kerouac et al spoke for a generation at the start of the cold war - a

time of great uncertainties especially for the young - so they are pertinent and

important at the end of it. Again we are in a transitory period, a time of

discovery, which started around Christmas 1990 with the coming down of that

wall. And what better than On The Road as our bible of exploration, in which

even crooked souls are holy.

Simon Okotie

e-mail: simon@okotie.demon.co.uk

tel: +181 830 3604

Flat 3

22 The Avenue

Queen's Park

London

NW6 7YD

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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:58:22 GMT

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From: Simon Okotie <simon@OKOTIE.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject: Re: Penguin SF Blues

In your message dated Monday 2, October 1995 you wrote :

> I stopped by 4 bookstores in NYC this weekend looking through the new Penguin

> 95 cent display racks for San Francisco Blues. All 4 stores were sold out of

> the Kerouac title. What's going on? Is someone hoarding? I hope Penguin is

> rusing additional copies to NYC book dealers.

We don't have it at all in the UK, which I think is an outrage. Anyone what to

send me a copy?!....

Simon Okotie

e-mail: simon@okotie.demon.co.uk

tel: +181 830 3604

Flat 3

22 The Avenue

Queen's Park

London

NW6 7YD

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 00:01:05 -0400

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From: Chasooki@AOL.COM

Subject: Re: Chicago Review

Bill,

I'll keep an eye out for this article, but it doesn't usually come out to

Schaumburg. I'll also check our library.

Hope the Yankee game was good.

Marc

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In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 5 Oct 1995 00:01:05 -0400 from <Chasooki@AOL.COM>

Ah, the Yankee game was GREAT. The lead seesawed back & forth.

Fantastic pitching performances from Pettit, Wickman, Wetland, and most

of all, Rivera. 15 Glorious innings. Tom left at 12:30 because he had

to get up at 6:00 but yours truly stayed until the 15th inning homer by

Leyritz. I predicted Leyritz's homerunas well as his being hit by a

pitch in an earlier at bat. Highlibht of the night was back to back

homers by Sierra and Mattingly. Well, you can read about it in the

papers. I'd love to get tickets for the ALC playoffs. I'm off to

Lowelltomorrow for a Kerouac conference. Tom & Mike coming along for

the ride. Weather there is chance of rain, partly cloudly. Too bad,

because the changing leaves should be lovely about now. Don't go out of

your way for the article, it's no big deal. Have you got netscape

through aol.com or something like it? I'm finding more and more

interesting stuff including a home page for the Doors that was pretty

neat. As I said earlier, Yankee home page page is good too. Regards to

everyone.

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:53:18 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Misdirected mail

My apologies to Beat-l readers. A personal message for Marc Chason was

accidently sent to the Beat-l list. Please ignore and delete.

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:07:34 -0400

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From: Mary Maguire <maguirem@CA.CCH.COM>

Subject: Bill's personal message

Bill Gargan wrote:

>My apologies to Beat-l readers. A personal message for Marc Chason was

>accidentally sent to the Beat-l list. Please ignore and delete.

No way. That was the best post we've seen in a long time.

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:14:27 -0400

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From: Laurie Syrek <HamOnRye5@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Chicago Review

Very nice. Why can't we all have interesting conversations like this one?

Laurie

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:11:20 -0400

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From: Marty Kinczel <MAK62@AOL.COM>

Subject: chicago

Hello to anyone/everone,

I am living in Chicago, and am looking for a beat friendly and aware

bookstore where I can find interesting titles published by past and present

beat writers. You can e-mail me at :

MAK62.aol.com

Thanks in advance for your advise.

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 21:51:41 -0500

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From: "P.G. Springer" <hloosn8@PRAIRIENET.ORG>

Subject: Re: chicago

Comments: cc: mak62@aol.com

In-Reply-To: <951006171117_38175888@mail04.mail.aol.com>

On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Marty Kinczel wrote:

> Hello to anyone/everone,

> I am living in Chicago, and am looking for a beat friendly and aware

> bookstore where I can find interesting titles published by past and present

> beat writers. You can e-mail me at :

> MAK62.aol.com

> Thanks in advance for your advise.

Bookworks on Clark and Sheffield.

p g

o p s

c o u

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 01:39:48 -0400

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From: James Druschke <Greenplate@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: chicago

try Powell's on Lincoln or there is one in Hyde Park. great selection of

used and new, and cheap. good luck and happy hunting!!

greenplate.

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:04:12 -0500

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From: Jeff Elizondo <jme5808@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject: Re: chicago

Comments: To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"

<BEAT-L%CUNYVM.bitnet@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L

<BEAT-L%CUNYVM.bitnet@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>

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This isn't really Re: Chicago because I live in Texas, and not

Chicago. I used the reply so I wouldn't have to type out all of the

address because I am lazy. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello to all of

you out there, in here, or otherwise juxtaposed to SOMETHING.

I have read so much beat stuff that I wish I was beat enough to

be really beat, not tired, but beat. Sometimes I find myself quoting

J.K. or A.G or sometimes W.S.B in conversations that, in retrospect 20/20

vision, had nothing to do with anything beat. Psychosis? Probably.

I have a question as well. Does anyone truly DIG the cut-ups

that William S. Burroughs did? I have to say that I like to read them

whilest I am in another frame of mind (usually compliments of

psychotropic fun stuff), but when I read them in a "Normal" way, I can't

stand them. Hrmmm...Maybe that was part of the intention. I dunno.

Jeff

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:36:49 -0500

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From: Nicholas Herren <NPH002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Use of Beat frases under false Pretenses

Well Jeff as you state well

>I have read so much beat stuff that I wish I was beat enough to

be really beat, not tired, but beat.

>Sometimes I find myself quoting

>J.K. or A.G or sometimes W.S.B in conversations that, in retrospect 20/20

vision, had nothing to do with anything beat. Psychosis? Probably.

Now you are not alone, last night as I went about the town in a drunken

state of delirium, a la (for those french canadians in the abouts) any

one of JK's books I began to try to immitate Neal Cassidy in a very sad

attempt I might add. But anyway I do quote some of the stuff ffrom the

books as well usually always finding NO ONE UNDERSTANDS.

Now as for Burroughs I dont see how you could ever read it in a normal

state, because even if you began in a normal state you would soon be

changed into a state of delirium. And I may add that I completely do

not understand his words but somehow a picture of what is going on is

portrayed. In NOVA EXPRESS I can say I believe his only reason for

all the psychobabble is to get you so lost you wont realize that he says

he is just repeating himself and then does it, but that you would not

realize such. However if you look closely the whole thing is just a

repition of things in a different context I believe.

nick

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:47:57 -0700

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Six Gallery

In-Reply-To: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.951007135818.583125573A-100000@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

from "Jeff Elizondo" at Oct 7, 95 02:04:12 pm

Is nobody going to mention that this is the 40th Anniversary of

the Six Gallery poetry reading?

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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

(the beat literature web site)

Queensboro Ballads: http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/

(my fantasy folk-rock album)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"Should I pursue a path so twisted?

Or should I crawl, defeated and gifted?"

-- Patti Smith

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:33:33 -0400

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From: "A.J. Pacheco" <KarenSaint@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Use of Beat frases under ...

Dig a world where would-be poets and heroes spend their nights

portraying such unparallelled icons as Cassady and Bill B. I find one of the

more attractive aspects of beatnikdom (did I just invent a word?) lies in its

obscurity. There's some sort of sinful gratification I get when I do or say

something beautifully beat and few or even none understand its brilliance.

Like so much sheep.

I'm off to a good old-fashioned nod and may I find that sweet place

where the poetry merges with the physics into something even stranger than a

dream. Lizards and mushrooms, toothless savage, drunken toad, cotton mouth,

cotton mind and nothing forgiven. A slow smile spreads across the face of the

devil.

Trip hard.

And never die...

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 20:23:57 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Great Poetry Reading .au files

I guess today is the 40th anniversary of the Six Gallery Reading. To

celebrate you can listen to Jack Kerouac read some of his poems (yes I know

he didn't read at the Six Gallery that day, but this is what we got).

Details follow.

Hey, someone named Wiegand (I'm sorry I don't remember his first name) put

up some great readings by Kerouac on a web page. The address is:

http://www.mathcs.duq.edu/~wiegand/jk.html

you can also get there through my page with Kerouac sounds

http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html

but the small snippets I put up pale in comparison to the six chunks of poetry

made available by Wiegand.

He put up readings from San Francisco Blues and Mexico City Blues.

The readings are from the 27th - 30th choruses of SF Blues and the 228th

and 229th choruses of Mexico City Blues.

They are long files but well worth the wait. I especially enjoyed Praised

Be Man, the 228th Chorus of MexCity Blues.

Tim

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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 10:56:02 -0500

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From: Dan Terkla <terkla@TITAN.IWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Six Gallery

In-Reply-To: <199510072147.OAA19257@netcom.netcom.com>

It was mentioned, albeit briefly, at the Beat Lit Symposium at UMass

Lowell last Thursday. It hasn't, to my mind, received anywhere near the

attention that it should have. Thanks for reminding us.

Dan Terkla

Illinois Wesleyan Univ.

Bloomington, IL

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:18:59 -0400

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From: Marty Kinczel <MAK62@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Use of Beat frases under ...

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:47:51 -0400

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From: Rene Zamora Zepeda <Quetzal666@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: chicago

on the cut-ups.....

............i've started them (from 'the 3rd mind') but find that i revert

back to some kind of linear 'auto-pilot'....although physically i 'read the

text', i am in search of the exact combination of words in the intro to

justify the risk of paper cuts..................

...............however.............they are fun to create and have performed

some.....................rene.

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:35:06 +1000

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From: john reeves <reeves@ODYSSEY.COM.AU>

Subject: ?

Comments: To: Bonnie Howard <HOWARDB@SONOMA.EDU>

ahhh hows it going A....i seen u been busy ...disseminnating DATA......

very good...

i scored the latest NS & then deleted it after i sore the posts about

problems ..i wait till they fix the thing i think

am feeling better after a trip up the mountains over weekend....now back to

work ...

hits have jumped dramatically on the eyephonics site since i posted it on YAHOO.

we got a cool site of the day from some fellows in norway...i also

recomended obelisk ..

catcha soon ...john ....

john reeves voice--61 7 38445907

HANGDOG PRODUCTIONS <?>

reeves@odyssey.com.au

http://www.odyssey.com.au/eyephon/reevhtml/reevhome.html

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:56:32 -0400

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From: Perry Lindstrom <LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>

Subject: Gads I mIssed It!

I somehow had in my mind that October 13th was the 40th anniversary of the 6

Gallery reading and as I have been away from the list for a while it was not

until today that I noticed the October 7th date. I had posted earlier about

doing something to mark this and now, alas, I have missed it myself. Oh well

there is always the 50th! I have made zero progress as of late on the

database idea as my life has been all topsey turvey -- mostly in a good way I

might add. I am just finishing up the biography of Anne Sexton who was

certainly no Beat in the usual sense that it is used -- but she was certainly

raw not cooked, and in many ways like Ginsberg in that her poetry is naked.

Speaking of naked and confessional poets, I recently noticed that there is

a blurb by Robert Lowell on the back cover of my _Naked Lunch_ edition --

first U.S. I believe. Interesting that he would agree to do that.

All for now,

Perry Lindstrom

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:12:37 EDT

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Lowell Celebration

As Chairman of the event, I'd really like to hear from anyone who attended

the Lowell Celebrates Kerouac ! Festival. Any constructive feedback is

welcome, but if you have the time, answers to the following would help.

1. Did you like it?

2. What did you like best about the festival?

3. What did you like least?

4. Where did you come from?

5. How long did you stay?

6. What can we do better next year?

7. What shouldn't we change?

Thanks. If you want to reply privately- you can reach me at

mhemenway@igc.apc.org

Mark Hemenway

Chairman, Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

P.S. If you didn't get a mailing this year, send me your postal address so

we can put you on the list.

P.P.S We will probably do a much smaller celebration in March again next

year.

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:33:49 EST

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From: "Stedman, Jim" <JSTEDMAN@NMU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Gads I mIssed It!

In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:56:32 EST

You can be redeemed by doing something on October 21st, honoring Jack on

the day he passed away in 1969. In Marquette, up here on the north coast

of Michigan, we'll be celebrating with the second annual October In The

Railroad Earth festival.

Cheers,

Jim

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:20:51 -0400

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From: Richard Centing <rcenting@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Misdirected mail

In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 05 Oct 1995 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT)

Beat-L:Richard Centing at Ohio State University does not want to receive

BEAT-L stuff anymore, Who can take my name off the mailings;or how do I do

it myself. If you can do it, please remove RICHARD CENTING.

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:33:32 -0400

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From: Richard Centing <rcenting@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Bill's personal message

In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 05 Oct 1995 14:07:34 -0400

Dear BEAT-L:Remove the name of richard Centing from the list.

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:29:24 +0100

Reply-To: ba493@fim.uni-erlangen.de

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From: Sebastian Schaer <ba493@FIM.UNI-ERLANGEN.DE>

Subject: Re: Misdirected mail

>Beat-L:Richard Centing at Ohio State University does not want to receive

>BEAT-L stuff anymore, Who can take my name off the mailings;or how do I do

>it myself. If you can do it, please remove RICHARD CENTING.

You might have already received a few answers to solve this problem..

anyway ... if not try:

Send a message to: LISTSERV@UKCC.uky.edu

Name it as you like (this means: Subject: whateveryoulike)

Just write: SIGNOFF BEAT-L

and send the message...

that's it!

Nothing is faster than light...

...except bad news.

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 21:51:13 -0400

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From: Katerie Prior <kadaca@UMICH.EDU>

Subject: Re: Gads I mIssed It!

In-Reply-To: Your message <11OCT95.09248993.0017.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> of Wed, 11 Oct

1995 08:33:49 EST

When and where specifically in Marquette is it?

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:02:38 -0400

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From: Marty Kinczel <MAK62@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Gads I mIssed It!

Please give directions to this place in Marquette.

MAK62

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:44:21 -0500

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From: Nicholas Herren <NPH002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

Subject: Off The Road

I know that most of you have probably read or at least heard about Off

The Road by Carolyn Cassidy, but if not I would sincerely advise it. Her

view of the behaviors of Neal and Jack and Allen (NC, JK, AG) are rather

different than portrayed in any of their books, poems, etc or in letters

they wrote.

Her view of Neal is especially interesting seeing as you come to understand

how his fly by night nature affected the people close to him.

Also I found extremely interesting the explanation of the relationship between

herself and Jack Kerouac which seems to be one rather hidden in other texts

altho illuded to.

I think Carolyn had/has (is she dead?) a lot of talent just as the others

did, but somehow she only got to use it in relating the story of the

beat writers. She has an excellent way of portaying emotions.

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:18:05 -0700

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: Off The Road

In-Reply-To: <01HWCYLKTNLE0067WT@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> from "Nicholas Herren" at Oct

12, 95 04:44:21 pm

> I think Carolyn had/has (is she dead?) a lot of talent just as the others

> did, but somehow she only got to use it in relating the story of the

> beat writers. She has an excellent way of portaying emotions.

Alive and well, living in England.

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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

(the beat literature web site)

Queensboro Ballads: http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/

(my fantasy folk-rock album)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"Should I pursue a path so twisted?

Or should I crawl, defeated and gifted?"

-- Patti Smith

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:04:52 -0400

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Generational Cycles

I'm new to the group (as of a few minutes as a matter of fact) and have been

reading up and about the Beats now for a little over the year. Not much of

a 21 year old scholar, but I chew them up as fast as I can still being in

college.

Anyhow, my major interest here in the 13 Generation is how the past is

influencing our current generational cycle and where it will take us. As a

reference to this strand, one of the wonderful books I'm in the middle of

now is Strauss & Howe _Generations: The History of America's Future,

1584 to 2069_ which is a wonderful book if you're interested in the social

ideology of the Beat generation aside from the movement itself.

My question (if I can ever get to the point) pertains to the mystery behind

the movement, what exactly sparked so many.. can I say conservative

minds to look at themselves as a serious social influence? I ask this

because the Beat movement was seen as a literary movement as

well as a social movement that affected us on a global scale. Being

that global communications weren't as strong as they are today, it

was obviously construed in different ways across the planet. Anoter

global revolution happened at the height of the Boomers generation,

which has been described as the primary reason for much of my

generations problems currently. At any rate, Feminism and African-

Americanism became a political past-time for many people, and

the world became involved in its ecological awareness and so on.

Well, we're at yet another age that is going to be adding to the

global evolution, except this time it's going to happen at a 14.4

baud rate (maybe a 28.8 given time), and I think that it is important

to recognize the trends in the past and how they affect us today

(such as the Beat movement). It is important for the global society

in general to recogize these trends, but it is more important for

the would-be leaders of our generations to know where the world

has led us.

So.. maybe I'm babbling, maybe I just read something that stuck

in my head and I used everyone as a vent.. I dunno. If this question

was either totally off-topic or too confusing to care about, ignore

me.. but this is something that I really am interested in.. as everyone

should be... if you have anything to do with the future that is..

..Critter

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:41:44 -0400

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From: Dennis Kurlas <RIPKURL@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Generational Cycles

critter -

We found your mail rather encouraging. We are boomers, yet new to the Beat

scene, too. It's good that you are reading about Generational Cycles

pertaining

to the Beat movement and your expressed interest. In our opinion, JK , NC,

and AG

were far from conservative even though their contemporaries were. For the

most part,

that is. Keep up your interests and good luck at school.

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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:47:14 EDT

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: Off The Road

Carolyn Cassady is very much alive and well and, last I knew, living in