beat list december 1995

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 11:13:28 -0500

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Re: Beats and homosexuality

> My theory, everyone (with very few exceptions) is bi-sexual, to conform to

>the phrase, with almost no-one being purely straigght or purely gay.

> Obviously, its easy to be attracted to one sex more than the other for

>reasons of pure sexual enjoyment and certain quirks that often divide the

>genders, but do you *love* your lover for the body or the inside? If we're

>all the same color in the dark, aren't we all the same inside without our

>genatalia?

>Rita

Not to stray too far into Lennon's Give Peace a Chance-esque chants,

I think that I'll comment on the reply that sexuality is a very fluid

endeavor,

fact, whatever.. I must say that comment was some clip of genius. We love

because we love, and hate because we hate.. delving too far into this is

a little silly, and looking at it through the metaphor of water is helpful.

..Critter

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 11:13:31 -0500

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Re: cages and courageous

>Chris said "

>I buy into this Dionysus bit...I mean: what culture DOESN'T like

>transubstantiation?

>But if we are familiar with Tom Robbins' Jitterbug Perfume, we remember

that

>according to many, Dionysius is actually the God of Drugs (incl. wine) and

>the Church has raped these stories.

I must have missed too much to follow where this is headed, but I can

add a small note that Dionysus is the patron god of theatre and

arguably the reason theatre exists today. As for the Christians and

Catholics: there have been two periods in history where theatre has

taken a leave of absence for many years, thanks to the Church.

Oddly enough, they were also revived after that period by the

Church, never the less the Church has never looked too highly

upon the Dionysisan stage cults for many reasons.

..Critter

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 11:13:33 -0500

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Re: Hey Jack: don't give Mom foot massages

Love the nice GenX header.. hehe..

..Critter

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:00:59 -0500

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From: Ted Pelton <Notlep@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Postmodern

To my mind, pomo is fragmentary, distrustful of overaching, totalizing

attempts; it's assumed that such things are not possible, that a seamless

all-containing vision necesarily leaves important things out, represses,

doesn't account for important invisible formative conditions, etc.

"Postmodernism" is thus a kind of contradiction in terms: any "ism" is

suspect.

Given this, I'd say Burroughs is pomo, Kerouac, particularly in his attempt

to put all his works together into the Duluoz Legend, a mo. How like Proust

this attempt is, or Joyce with his interlocking books of Ireland. Burroughs,

by comparison, is all over the map. This is not to value either as good or

bad -- I'd rather read K. myself. K. certainly also has pomo aspects: I

think Dan's point is a good one, that pomos generally write from the margins.

Something to chew on.

Ted P.

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:00:50 -0500

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From: Ted Pelton <Notlep@AOL.COM>

Subject: clv100u@mozart.fpa.odu.edu

Clay,

You wrote:

>Look at the reading. For one thing, though K appears to have a copy

of OTR in front of him, notice how it appears that the book is open

no more than to the front of the inside cover. And it never changes!

He turns no pages, and though at first I thought that maybe he had

something written into the book that he was reading, now I think he

was just reciting spontaneously the entire thing. Hence, the apparent

montage of VISIONS, OTR, and whatever. There's a real interiority

about his demeanor.

- I agree -- this was the sense I got when I saw the reading at the TV

Museum. You're interpretation -- that it's improvised -- fits both K's

aesthetics and the evience of the tape. Speaking of which, do you have a

copy of this? I'd love to get my hands on it myself. Could I pay you to

make me a bootleg? (No problem if not.)

Ted Pelton

notlep@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:51:29 -0800

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From: Tsaelinah <serajani@UNIXG.UBC.CA>

Subject: Burroughs and Cassady...

In-Reply-To: <199512011734.JAA09187@hsc.usc.edu>

On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

> with Burroughs as was stated nor did Cassady and Burroughs have sex (they

> didn't necessarily like each other all that much even as friends). Nor

> Cassady and Kerouac.

Heeeeeyy..now here's something that never really hit me...

Did Cassady and Burroughs really dislike each other..? Someone pleeeeze

elaborate....

I know in OTR Bull criticised Dean for being too frenetic or something to

that effect....other than that, i know little about their relationship....

Tsaelinah

(in a jar)

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:08:31 -0500

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From: "Rita T. Friedman" <NekkidLnch@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Is ANYone going to take me up on it?

So, anyone want to venture at listing The Significant Writers of "Generation

X" and The Beats? I'm curious at how the two lists would compare. Please.

((((((((((Kristen)))))))))))Thank you and always follow the moon (Knowing it

is female),

Rita

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:37:15 -0700

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From: Risa Leshowitz <rl5@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Beats and Existensialism

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Help, I need to get off this list as my mailbox can't handle the load.

If someone would just tell me what to do, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Risa

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:42:54 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

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Subject: Re: Exist. & American Beats

Dan,

When you post will you please use your last name or intial. There are at

least a couple of other Dans on the list.

Best,

Dan B.

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:16:47 -0500

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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: About Ginsberg (fwd)

Good point, Bill!

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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:37:28 -0600

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From: sjcahn <c659663@SHOWME.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re: CHANCE???

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On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Eckert, Molly K wrote:

> JULIE

> Yes I do believe in some chance as with Cage and his Silent SOanta.

> I know that people will disagree with me that is the purpose of a debate

> I firmly believe that chance is mostly bull. There are very few events

> that chance could actually occur.

> SUch as, how does jack Kerouac write a book and say that it was chance.

> If he didn't know the words and he didn't have any sort of experiences at

> all they would not fall into place as they did

> Responses?

> Molly

> MKEckert@cedarcrest.edu

Actually, everything is chance. I could drop off the edge into chaos

theory, but I can't afford the headache. I'm arriving on this thread

late, but that's the emphasis behind cut-ups--- no?

Of course, within chance we then find recognizable patterns, so...

Yrs. &c.

Steven Cahn

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From: Meredith Blackmann <BoomShenka@AOL.COM>

Subject: jack kerouack institute for...

a few years back i read a magazine interview with ginsberg. in it , he

stated that he was teaching at a school in denver called the "jack kerouac

institute for disembodied poetics". it take it that if ginsberg is living in

ny, he is no longer teaching there. does anyone know if this school is still

around or anything about it?

Boomshenka

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From: Meredith Blackmann <BoomShenka@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: who the hell is Tom Selleck?

the mustached guy from magnum p.i.

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From: Peter McGahey <PRM95003@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>

Subject: Re: CHANCE??? (fwd)

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I know that people will disagree with me that is the purpose of a debate

I firmly believe that chance is mostly bull. There are very few events

that chance could actually occur.

SUch as, how does jack Kerouac write a book and say that it was chance.

If he didn't know the words and he didn't have any sort of experiences at

all they would not fall into place as they did

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To answer this would be to solve all the problems the literary critics

have been attacking for the past hundred years. Without going into

Derrida, Saussure, Jakobson and Russian Formalism all the way through

Foucault and deconstuctionism etc I could not even begin to address

the entire notion that a writer may not have control over the

art she produces. Before you jump on me - these are the views of the

leading crit theories , not MINE. Anyway, if I could properly answer

that question, I wouldn't be in grad school , I'd be world renowned.

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: jack kerouack institute for...

In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 2 Dec 1995 04:08:34 -0500 from

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On Sat, 2 Dec 1995 04:08:34 -0500 Meredith Blackmann said:

>a few years back i read a magazine interview with ginsberg. in it , he

>stated that he was teaching at a school in denver called the "jack kerouac

>institute for disembodied poetics". it take it that if ginsberg is living in

>ny, he is no longer teaching there. does anyone know if this school is still

>around or anything about it?

>Boomshenka

The school is the Naropa Institute in Boulder, CO. Ginsberg still teaches ther

e, mostly during the summers when he's not teaching at Brooklyn College.

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From: Peter McGahey <PRM95003@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>

Subject: Q. Who is That Lazy Sluggish Undefined Age Group? (fwd)

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A question for you, Peter or anyone, who are the writers of generation X?

Other than some of us, and Douglas Coupland, how many can you name? Really,

not being facetious, I'm curious. Could we try to compile a list of both The

Writers of Generation X and The Writers of the Beat period? I think it would

be interesting. Any takers?

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I'm on my way out the door so excuse the brevity of this list:

Besides Coupland and Easton Ellis who we mentioned, there's Steven Gibb, Nancy

Smith, David Gross, Sophronia Scott, Jill Eisenstadtm, and some would list

Jay McNerny - Remember, these are those that the Man says are Gen X writers

as I mentioned earlier, I debate the validity of saying that some of them

have any idea what the generation they stand for is all about.

I would be willing to add Michael Chabon to the list as well.

What do you think? Any connection between any of them and the Beats other

than the break away from society connection?

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: American existentialism

Last night I was reading the Whitney catalogue, "Beat Culture and the

New America 1950-1965" when I came across this passage on page 29:

"Sociologicaly, the Beats were the first large, self-conscious, and

widely publicized group of middle-class dropouts and have sometimes been

called American existentialists. They indeed shared a sense of acute

alienation, of the absurd, and a belief in the importance of individual

action with their European counterparts. However, the Beats also

inherited a long tradition of dissent in America that runs from Emerson

and Thoreau and Whitman to the pioneer outlaw--a tradition of the

individual forging an independent way against the majority. In fact,

the Beat spirit can be traced back to the old pioneer and cowboy notion

of the excitable, intense, and independent personality exemplified by

frontier America. By the 1950s, this spirit of self-invention and

anti-assimilation was ready for renewal." What do you think?

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From: DAVIS ALAN <davisa@MHD1.MOORHEAD.MSUS.EDU>

Subject: Re: jack kerouack institute for...

In-Reply-To: <951202040831_41594049@emout06.mail.aol.com>

It's the creative writing program - ba, mfa - at the naropa institute in

boulder, colorado.

On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Meredith Blackmann wrote:

> a few years back i read a magazine interview with ginsberg. in it , he

> stated that he was teaching at a school in denver called the "jack kerouac

> institute for disembodied poetics". it take it that if ginsberg is living in

> ny, he is no longer teaching there. does anyone know if this school is still

> around or anything about it?

> Boomshenka

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

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Subject: Re: skinny legs and all

What was it somebody said about Tom Robbins? That he is a false Vonnegut? No,

I don't think that's right. That's a rash assessment by someone who most

likely has not read much of Robbins' work. Really Robbins is more like Thomas

Wolfe on acid. Or like Brautigan without a drinking problem. Or Kerouac with

a healthy libido. He's the professor who got into the mushrooms. He's the

journalist who stared too long at the moon. He's the novelist who worships

the goddess. As far as his plots being contrived, I guess that's a matter of

taste. For me all of his work is strong and fully realized except for *Still

Life with Woodpecker* and his latest, *Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas*, both of

which have some good bits but are not successful novels. The real connection

between Robbins and the Beats is in their expression of Joy. Check out

Kerouac's " The Origins Of Joy In Poetry" at the beginning of *Scattered

Poems*. Though Robbins' compositional strategy is almost the opposite of

Kerouac's -- he writes very slowly and revises as he goes -- they share an

affinity for Holy Lunacy and the Infinite Goof.

Best,

Dan B.

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

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Subject: Re: Buddhism once more

Actually Kerouac hitched a bit and Snyder hitched more than a little. More on

this later.

Dan B.

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Re: Fwd: Virus ALERT !!!!!!!!!!!!...

One of my computer expert friends tells me there really is no Good Times

virus. The alert is bogus and is sort of a virus in itself.

Best,

Dan B.

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From: Derek Teslik <dteslik@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Virus ALERT -> "Good Times Virus a confirmed hoax

The good times virus is a confirmed hoax that's been going around for (2

years?). don't forward that message to anyone.

-derek

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From: sjcahn <c659663@SHOWME.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re: skinny legs and all

Comments: To: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@RedwoodFN.org>

In-Reply-To: <155029407.118643714@RedwoodFN.org>

On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Dan Barth wrote:

> What was it somebody said about Tom Robbins? That he is a false Vonnegut? No,

> I don't think that's right. That's a rash assessment by someone who most

> likely has not read much of Robbins' work. Really Robbins is more like Thomas

> Wolfe on acid. Or like Brautigan without a drinking problem. Or Kerouac with

> a healthy libido. He's the professor who got into the mushrooms. He's the

> journalist who stared too long at the moon. He's the novelist who worships

> the goddess. As far as his plots being contrived, I guess that's a matter of

> Best,

> Dan B.

During my time living in Seattle, I heard many stories about the good Mr.

Robbins-- whose work is grand, indeed. The vast majority were along the

lines of, "He's not very interesting and never speaks. I think he's

afraid he'll use up a good bit that could go in a book."

Since I was never in the same room with him, that I know of, that was all

right with me. But, really, you don't like "still life?" What about the

stand of the "outlaw," certainly a wild anti-hero for our time.

Yrs. &c.

Steven Cahn

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From: Ted Pelton <Notlep@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: jack kerouack institute for...

boomshenka-

yes, it's called Naropa! By the way, all -- check out interview with

post-Beat Naropa head (and fine poet -- I wouldn't want to compete with her

in a slam) Anne Waldman in the latest AWP Chronicle.

Ted Pelton

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From: Ted Pelton <Notlep@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: CHANCE??? (fwd)

>To answer this would be to solve all the problems the literary critics

have been attacking for the past hundred years. Without going into

Derrida, Saussure, Jakobson and Russian Formalism all the way through

Foucault and deconstuctionism etc I could not even begin to address

the entire notion that a writer may not have control over the

art she produces.

------------------------------------------

And not only these folks, but a whole history of "poetics" authors (such as

found in Poetics of the New American Poetry, Donald Allen, ed. -- a great

place for anyone interested in any of these writers to start: Charles Olson,

Robert Creeley, Ginsburg, Ed Dorn, etc.) and theorizers of improvisation in

all of the arts of the Post-WWII era: Cage, Pollock, Charlie Parker & Dizzy

Gillespie (theorizers as practitioners, if you will). Clark Coolidge. Amiri

Baraka. Creeley's intro to Olson's Selected Prose too is a short, concise

introduction to these issues. Anyone/anything else anyone can name? I think

that through jazz something of this aesthetic has ended up in Spike Lee.

Even Malcolm X himself, whose jazz-influenced thought I believe has yet to

really be noticed in this context, once said: "My life has been a chronology

of changes" -- to me this suggests that intellectual life itself (not just

art) can be lived (is BEST lived) a a moment to moment negotiation with new

conditions -- like jazz, like Olson's "field," etc., etc.

[To the list: I'm writing a novel about these connections, particularly white

and black exchange over such artistic concerns which then become much more.

Any suggestions, connections anyone can suggest would be helpful to me.]

: So you see, Molly, beating us over the head with your tabula rasa isn't

going to make these folks go away. If you want to read the theory, which is

persuasive, you can go the philosophical-lit crit direction or the

poetics-aesthetics route, or a little of both (Foucault's "What is an

Author?" essay in _The Order of Things_ is another easy entry, as is a lot of

Roland Barthes, who talks too about photography in a like context -- gee,

this is getting extensive ...). Either way, the body of thought about what

is too reductively simply called "chance" in all forms of making art is

formidable.

Ted Pelton

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From: Chris Bryan <Christopher_Bryan@BAYLOR.EDU>

Subject: WSB and gins photo: 206 Montgomery

In-Reply-To: <951201161644_122275686@emout05.mail.aol.com>

just bought ginsberg's photo collection of the beats and in the intro, a.g.

talks about how in late 50s, he and burroughs were definitely having an affair

and how he used the intimacy issue to photograph burroughs, nude and otherwise,

but was really interested in collecting them for himself...i think that pretty

well proves that burroughs and gins, at 1 time at least, had a sexual

rel'ship...

CHRIS

On Fri, 01 Dec 1995 16:16:47 -0500 BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (BEAT-L: Beat

Generation List) wrote:

>Good point, Bill!

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From: Chris Bryan <Christopher_Bryan@BAYLOR.EDU>

Subject: ticket back

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doesn't he teach summer courses in naropa but still has a nice tenured plush

salary position at brooklyn college?

lump

CHRIS

On Sat, 02 Dec 1995 12:06:58 -0600 BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (BEAT-L: Beat

Generation List) wrote:

>It's the creative writing program - ba, mfa - at the naropa institute in

>boulder, colorado.

>On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Meredith Blackmann wrote:

>> a few years back i read a magazine interview with ginsberg. in it , he

>> stated that he was teaching at a school in denver called the "jack kerouac

>> institute for disembodied poetics". it take it that if ginsberg is living in

>> ny, he is no longer teaching there. does anyone know if this school is still

>> around or anything about it?

>> Boomshenka

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From: Chris Bryan <Christopher_Bryan@BAYLOR.EDU>

Subject: numbers & the monkeys

In-Reply-To: <30BFCA63@sdcwinb.daytonoh.attgis.com>

cromwell's puritanism doesn't qualify as a "church" though it was tyrranical

enough...

On Sat, 02 Dec 1995 11:13:31 -0500 BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (BEAT-L: Beat

Generation List) wrote:

>>Chris said "

>>I buy into this Dionysus bit...I mean: what culture DOESN'T like

>>transubstantiation?

>>But if we are familiar with Tom Robbins' Jitterbug Perfume, we remember

>that

>>according to many, Dionysius is actually the God of Drugs (incl. wine) and

>>the Church has raped these stories.

>I must have missed too much to follow where this is headed, but I can

>add a small note that Dionysus is the patron god of theatre and

>arguably the reason theatre exists today. As for the Christians and

>Catholics: there have been two periods in history where theatre has

>taken a leave of absence for many years, thanks to the Church.

>Oddly enough, they were also revived after that period by the

>Church, never the less the Church has never looked too highly

>upon the Dionysisan stage cults for many reasons.

> ..Critter

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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Is ANYone going to take me up on it?

Douglas Copeland (obviously) & Quinten Terrentino.

My own book shelf is lined with Armistead Maupin, probably the wrong age to

be considered a voice of our generation, but maybe he should be. I heard him

talk recently, and he said people are always asking him, "How do you write so

well about straight people? How do you write so well about women? How do you

write so well about little people?" (his last book was about a 31" tall

woman). And Maupin's response to all of this was, "It's not about being

straight or gay or male or female or tall or small: it's about being human.

And that's what I'm writing about.

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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: jack kerouack institute for...

The school is the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poets, a division of the

Naropa Institute in Boulder. Ginsberg helped found it in 1974 (I think).

Ginsberg is on the Board, but is not currently teaching. In 1994, Naropa

hosted a tribute to Ginsberg called "Beats and Other Rebel Angels." There's a

very good article about it in the July 1994 issue of Shambhala Sun. In

includes an article written by Ginsberg, several pictures of the Beat

fellows, and poetry by people from the Kerouac School. Let me know if you

want more information on how to get this mag.

Namaste, Liz

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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: WSB and gins photo: 206 Montgomery

More about the photo collection, please! Where can I get it, how much does it

cost, etc.... Thanks! - Liz

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Beats/Existentialists

In-Reply-To: <951202181248_123181710@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Liz Prato" at

Dec 2, 95 06:12:49 pm

One final thing about the Beats and Existentialism ... I'm just now reading

"Minor Characters" by Joyce Johnson for the first time, and she mentions

Kerouac heavily digging Kierkegaard. Who was, of course, the first

existentialist philosopher.

I've always seen the American Beats, the French "Existentialists" of the

postwar era (Sartre, Camus) and the "Angry Young Men" of Britian as a

triple manifestation of the same rebellion, though of course the differences

are as interesting as the similarities between these three literary groups.

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Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/

(the beat literature web site)

Queensboro Ballads: http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/

(my fantasy folk-rock album)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"Some people like to go out dancing,

but other people like us, they gotta work

And there's even some evil mothers

who'll tell you life is just made out of dirt

That women never really faint

that villians always blink their eyes

That children are the only ones who blush

and that life is just a dive ..."

-- Velvet Underground, "Sweet Jane"

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From: paul a weinfield <pweinfie@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: CHANCE??? (fwd)

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whoever wrote that message about the history of literary criticism from

de saussure to foucault has my applause. the fact of the matter is that

the question "does an author have control over the writing that he/she

produces" is what, in buddhist metaphysics, is called a "non-evident

question," that is, a question which must be specified and honed down

before any answer can be given...

the fact of the matter is that no one has defined what an individul author

is, whether we are talking about a situation like harold bloom talks

about in "the anxiety of influence" or whether we are viewing art as a

societal "production" as marx would. likewise, we cannot say what art

actually is. phenomenologists would argue that art is a mutual creation

of the writer and reader. formalists would argue that art exists

independent of either. what i'm trying to say here by rattling off all

these theories is that the Tabula Rasa question IS MOOT!!!

i do not mind analyzing art with intellectual terms per se, but if you

are going to do it, you must be precise; for, if we are going to take

passionate work and subject it to dry, academic criteria, we better be

accurate and thorough in the procedure that we use.....

just a thought,

paul

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From: "Rita T. Friedman" <NekkidLnch@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: skinny legs and all

Oh no!!!!!!! Not my Tommy! Tommy would never act THAT way!

but p-shaw! He's still a great writer, and I *liked* still life.....

False Vonnegut my butt! Although I wouldn't call him anyone other than tom

robbins....

Rita

PS A big hello to Lapis, whose email always makes me feel good.

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On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Dan Barth wrote:

> What was it somebody said about Tom Robbins? That he is a false Vonnegut?

No,

> I don't think that's right. That's a rash assessment by someone who most

> likely has not read much of Robbins' work. Really Robbins is more like

Thomas

> Wolfe on acid. Or like Brautigan without a drinking problem. Or Kerouac

with

> a healthy libido. He's the professor who got into the mushrooms. He's the

> journalist who stared too long at the moon. He's the novelist who worships

> the goddess. As far as his plots being contrived, I guess that's a matter

> Best,

> Dan B.

During my time living in Seattle, I heard many stories about the good Mr.

Robbins-- whose work is grand, indeed. The vast majority were along the

lines of, "He's not very interesting and never speaks. I think he's

afraid he'll use up a good bit that could go in a book."

Since I was never in the same room with him, that I know of, that was all

right with me. But, really, you don't like "still life?" What about the

stand of the "outlaw," certainly a wild anti-hero for our time.

Yrs. &c.

Steven Cahn

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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 22:21:38 -0500

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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject: Amiri Baraka

I had a chance to hear Amiri Baraka read today at Vertigo Books in Wash. DC.

For the untutored, Baraka was once known as "LeRoi Jones" and was closely

associated with the beats and the East Village scene in the fifties and early

sixties. He edited Yugen, a seminal beat literary journal (anyone know

where I can find some old copies ?), is a fine poet and probably the leading

blues/jazz writer, along with Nat Hentoff, of the time. Certainly Baraka is

the leading African-American beat, along with Ted Johns and Bob Kaufmman to

name two. Yes, he knew Jack, Allen, et al. I'm not sure how he views that

experience today.

I won't attempt to describe the rest of Baraka's life to date.

Anyway, he has a new volume of collected poems, "Transbluesency".

Bakaka has a lot of rage, a "be-bop" sensibility combined with a sharp wit

and fine sense of humor. He is an unabashed "communist" - something of an

oddity outside of the ivory tower these days and, in my opinion, an ideology

that has been throughly discredited more times than there are seconds in a

milenium.

But it is a joy to hear him read as he combines the horror and pain of

slavery and opression with the beat of the jazz masters, a phoenix of joy out

of a bloody but vital and sometimes heroic history. He is, perhaps, one of

the most self rightious speakers I have ever heard. He knows where he stands

and expresses it well. Baraka does not kiss anybody's ass.

I asked him how he feels about the upcoming On The Road film. He was not

aware of it. He said they would probably not do the book justice but respects

Coppola.

Check him out if he comes to your town.

Howard Park

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From: Jim Kelim <jimkelim@NEPTUNE.CISP.KANAZAWA-IT.AC.JP>

Subject: Kerouac and Buddhism

Some thoughts on Kerouac's and the other Beats' Buddhism. It seems strange

to me to question the integrity of another person's spiritual path.

Someone suggesting that Kerouac should have done this or done that. He was

not a religious leader, he was an artist and those are two very different

things and should not be confused. Most people do not pick their religious

or spiritual path as intellectual exercise. We sift through what is

presented to us and choose with our hearts. I don't think that the Beats

really set out to create a "new" religion: a new way of life maybe. Which

ever path JK took only he can say if it was right or wrong because it was

his path. However, it would seem natural to look to the East if the

answers aren't found in the West and they aren't. Buddhism is not the

providence of one nation or one culture. Remember, it started in the

Nepal/India region and moved to Japan through China and Korea. In was only

natural for it to keep moving east and cross the Pacific Ocean to be

embraced by people who are (or were in JK's case) on a spiritual search.

Some people will embrace Buddhism a hundred percent like Gary Snyder (to

mention someone we all know, others like JK will take what they need and

then move on-or back to something more familiar. Which path is right?

Both and neither. Look at Bob Dylan, he first went to Christianity and

then to Judaism. Do we criticize him because first he is Christian and

then he's not and now he is something else. It's his search, not ours.

I wonder just what is Dan's problem with Buddhism anyway. Are the Buddha's

teaching corrupt or is it the religion? From what personal experience is

he talking from. I know many Buddhist monks, both here in Japan and in

Korea (where I lived for five years) and I have never found a corrupt monk

yet. Some were not devout, some were not concerned with the "religion" at

all, but with the dharma. Some were concerned with drinking and their

girlfriends. They reminded me of religious leaders in America. Some were

devout while some were not. However, the teachings of Buddha separate

themselves from the religion because they themselves are not corrupt. And

to say that the beats should have created their own superior religion (kind

of ethnocentristic don't you think) is naive. None of the beats are on the

level of Buddha and other great religious leaders. Great artists maybe.

Great religious leaders-no way. JK seemed to be weary of being called King

of the Beats and any other leadership role. His was a singular path. But

what a path. Personally, I am glad he took the one that he did. His

influence as well as the Buddhist influence has certainly made my life more

interesting.

Besides being critical of theBeats for being into Buddhism is like saying

the Rolling Stones are a great band, but too bad they play rock-n-roll.

Without Buddhism, the Beats would have been a different animal altogether.

Just as if they hadn't done the drugs.

Jim

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From: William Frick <williamf@HEVANET.COM>

Subject: Re: American existentialism

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I like it.

On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

wrote:

>Last night I was reading the Whitney catalogue, "Beat

Culture and the

>New America 1950-1965" when I came across this passage on

page 29:

>"Sociologicaly, the Beats were the first large,

self-conscious, and

>widely publicized group of middle-class dropouts and have

sometimes been

>called American existentialists. They indeed shared a

sense of acute

>alienation, of the absurd, and a belief in the importance

of individual

>action with their European counterparts. However, the

Beats also

>inherited a long tradition of dissent in America that runs

from Emerson

>and Thoreau and Whitman to the pioneer outlaw--a tradition

of the

>individual forging an independent way against the majority.

In fact,

>the Beat spirit can be traced back to the old pioneer and

cowboy notion

>of the excitable, intense, and independent personality

exemplified by

>frontier America. By the 1950s, this spirit of

self-invention and

>anti-assimilation was ready for renewal." What do you

think?

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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: CHANCE??? (fwd)

What in the world are "Buddhist Metaphysics"?

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From: Chris Bryan <Christopher_Bryan@BAYLOR.EDU>

Subject: cone of the world

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called SNAPSHOT POETICS with never before released photos from ginsberg's

archives of beats, from '47 until '93 and they are so cool...found it in

university bookstore...cost: $12.95 and it was awesome...it is authored by AG

with intro/ed. by K.Kohler...will send more info upon specific request

cdb

On Sat, 02 Dec 1995 18:12:49 -0500 BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (BEAT-L: Beat

Generation List) wrote:

>More about the photo collection, please! Where can I get it, how much does it

>cost, etc.... Thanks! - Liz

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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:16:09 -0500

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From: "Darius A. Yasiejko" <Derangel@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: WSB and gins photo: 206 Montgomery

it is called " snap shot poetics" and is in the photography section of pretty

much any large book store... ginsberg is considered the author....

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