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From: Levi Asher
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Subject: Re: Birth of the Beat Generation
In-Reply-To:
<951231201656_81734192@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "W. Luther
Jett" at Dec 31, 95
08:16:56 pm
>
Today's Washington Post carries a very favourable review of a new book,
"The
>
Birth of the Beat Generation: Visionaries, Rebels, and Hipsters
1844-1960",
> by
Steven Watson (Pantheon). I quote, in part, from the review:
>
>
"An elegant coffee-table book, 'The Birth of the Beat Generation'
juxtaposes
>
arresting, seldom-seen photographs with a lively, engaging, bare-bones
>
narrative. It also juxtaposes maps both geographic and interrelational with
>
assorted marginalia: quips, booklists and beat argot. . . . Not since
>
Lawrence Lipson's 'Holy Barbarians' of 1959 has there been a book of the Beat
>
experience whole, even though various biographies have in varying degree
>
mined the details. . . . Oddly, what is wanting, a true assessment, does not
>
diminish this book's achievement . . . ."
>
>
So, has anyone seen the book? How accurate is the reviewer's assessment?
I
pretty much agree. The book is very
nicely designed and has a lot of
illustrations. The text seems accurate. More of a sense of spontaneity and
random connections
than in other, more traditional books of this type.
One
thing I haven't seen yet is Voyager's new Beat Experience CD-Rom, or
whatever
it's called. Not the Kerouac one (from
Viking) but the one that
ties
into the Whitney exhibit (I think). Any
reports on it?
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brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Some people like to go
out dancing,
but other people like us, they
gotta work
And there's even some evil
mothers
who'll tell you life is just made
out of dirt
That women never really
faint
that villains always blink
their eyes
That children are the only ones
who blush
and that life is just a
dive"
-- Velvet
Underground, "Sweet Jane"
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Birth of the Beat Generation
The
reviewer, Regina Weinreich, is a real beat fan and author of "The
Spontanious
Prose of Jack Kerouac", so it's not surprising that she wrote a
favorable
review of the "Brith of the Beat Generation." I don't mean to
discount
it. It's an excellent book. Part group biography, part scrapbook.
It's more than a "coffeetable
book".
Howard
Park
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Subject: Re: Whitney Show
I wrote
a sort of review of thw Whitney show awhile back. I enjoyed and was
captivated
by it, but I don't think I would make a special trip to New York
for it
alone. It will travel to Minneapolis
and San Francisco later this
year. The highlight of the show for me was the
original rolled up manuscript
of On
The Road and the Dharma Bums.
H. Park
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From: Nick Weir-Williams
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Subject: Re: BEAT-L Digest - 30 Dec 1995 to 31
Dec 1995
Have
just got back from a week in NYC with 2500 philosophers, and got to see
the
Whitney exhibit. For me, there was some great stuff there - a lot of
JK's
original artwork, the teletype roll of OTR, a bunch of his notebooks,
sketchpads
etc, and a lot of photos of NYC and Beats around there, including
quite a
few I'd never seen in books. I can see why the art critics were down
on the
exhibit though, because the link between the big pieces on display
and the
Beats seemed tentative to say the least, i.e. the Jackson Pollock
painting
and some of the other art - nice stuff in its own right (most of
it) but
out of kilter with the rest of the exhibit. Still, there was so much
of the
real thing there I didn't mind. A most interesting video on show
(plus
for sale, a copy of which I got) with all sorts of
JK/Ginsberg/Burroughs
clips, weird art montages and some really cool jazz
from
the period with Miles and Coltrane and so on. And a great audio track
which
you could listen to at the exhibit (but I couldn't see for sale) with
readings,
jazz, etc.
So I
think you have to be a True Fan, but then I guess most all of us on
this
list are ... it was well worth the trip and the $$$ to see the artefacts.
N W-W
>
>I
have heard about and read a little about the current exhibit at the
>Whitney
Museum in New York. Has this exhibit
been discussed by fellows
>on
the net? What is of particular
interest? What special performances
>have
been included, who has seen them, and what reports can be given?
>
>I've
ordered the catalog from the museum and have a standing order for
>the
CD-ROM. I hope that I have made the
right choice in getting these
>items. I would like to fly into New York and see
the actual exhibit, but
>time
and $ weigh on my mind and wallet, making me choose the lest costly,
>more
ordinary alternatives.
>
>So
let me know. Who has seen the
show? Whither goest thou, Whitney, in
thy
>shiny
black car in the night?
>
>
>
>
>
>Bill
of the North Woods
>
>------------------------------
>
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Subject: Re: Birth of the Beat Generation
>The
reviewer, Regina Weinreich, is a real beat fan and author of "The
>Spontanious
Prose of Jack Kerouac", so it's not surprising that she wrote a
>favorable
review of the "Brith of the Beat Generation." I don't mean to
>discount
it. It's an excellent book. Part group biography, part scrapbook.
>
It's more than a "coffeetable book".
>
>Howard
Park
The
book is actually called
The
Spontaneous Poetics of Jack Kerouac.
Poetics, not prose--I say this
only if
someone goes out looking for it and tries to order it at a
bookstore
or something.
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Hi
Everybody and HAPPY NEW YEAR. I've seen *Birth of the BG* in the bookstores
and was
first of all struck by the similarity in layout to *Generation X*. I
notice
that Herbert Huncke is deemd an "icon" as is Ginsberg's buddy from
the
mental
hospital, Carl Solomon. To me these guys are minor characters and the
real
icons are Kerouac, Ginsberg, Burroughs, Cassady. Quibble, quibble. I
still
would like a copy of the book but at $27.50 I'll have to wait. I did
receive
*Big Sky Mind: Buddhism and the BG* for a Chritmas present. I'm happy
with
it, reading the Kerouac section at the moment, though again I have a few
quibbles
with the Introduction by a professor of philosophy who does not have
me
convinced about his knowledge of the Beats.
Best to
you all.
Dan B.
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Hi
Everybody and HAPPY NEW YEAR. I've seen *Birth of the BG* in the bookstores
and was
first of all struck by the similarity in layout to *Generation X*. I
notice
that Herbert Huncke is deemd an "icon" as is Ginsberg's buddy from
the
mental
hospital, Carl Solomon. To me these guys are minor characters and the
real
icons are Kerouac, Ginsberg, Burroughs, Cassady. Quibble, quibble. I
still
would like a copy of the book but at $27.50 I'll have to wait. I did
receive
*Big Sky Mind: Buddhism and the BG* for a Chritmas present. I'm happy
with
it, reading the Kerouac section at the moment, though again I have a few
quibbles
with the Introduction by a professor of philosophy who does not have
me
convinced about his knowledge of the Beats.
Best to
you all.
Dan B.
P.S. I think Regina Weinreich's book is very
worthwhile. She was quite
prescient
in her Introduction, c. 1987, in saying "there's a Kerouac industry
out
there."
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Watson's
book is interesting, particularly in terms of its novative
design. He makes good use of the margins for notes,
photos, and
quotations. I wrote a review for Library Journal, which
I haven't yet
seen in
print. There's an interesting review in
the November 1
Booklist,
p. 449. Watson also did part of the
Whitney catalog and is
scheduled
to speak, I believe, at a conference at the New School for
Social
Research in New York City. Details are
in the Whitney monthly
calendar
which I haven't got with me at this time.
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From: Frank Stevenson
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Subject: Re: Baraka
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I heard/saw ginsberg and his
"wife" orlovsky read at haverford college
in 1965
or '66--pretty crazy, very radical, advocating free sex and drugs
and
attacking govt's stand on vietnam war, etc.....paul breslin in
"psycho-political
muse" claims ginsberg and other voices of "new american
poetry"
of late 50's/60's (including levertov, olson, wright) are not
original
at all but mouthing the cultural discourse of early 50's
"conformity
criticism" and neo-freudianism (including marcuse, laing et
al)
with background in marx, nietzsche, existentialism and (well,
yes)
FREUD, the BIG mr. brainwash for me as little kid in 50's)....THEN i
heard
leroi jones (= now BARAKA, right?) read at tuskegee institute, alabama
where i
taught english in 1969 and him say to the largely black audience
(me and
a few other instructors being paranoid white "honkeys from new york"):
"WE WANT BLACK POWER....don't let these
honkeys from new york brainwash you
with
their crap about sick existentialist jews from vianna"....
(his exact words i think).....hmmm, food for
thought here.....fws
(but i still can dig jones/baraka's
"preface to a 20-vol. suicide note")
On Sun,
3 Dec 1995, Kirsten A. Hirsch wrote:
> I
saw Baraka read last year in Richmond, VA and was not all that impressed. I
>
think the reading was tainted by the write up in the program which stressed
>
that he had "denounced" the beats and was born again into his
African-
>
American heritage and that he was not the same man who married a white woman
>
(which he did) in the 1950's.
>
> I
just don't understand why he had to throw the entire part of his life that
>
was "beat" out the window in order to appreciate his heritage. I
found that
>
very disappointing.
>
>
Kirsten
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From: The Guelph Peak
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Subject: naropa institute/kerouac school of
disembodied poetics
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<Pine.HPP.3.91.960102233822.6308B-100000@ccshst08.cs.uoguelph.ca>
I've
been having a rough time trying to find information regarding the
naropa
institute & the school of poetics (the former of which I
understand
is part of the latter): there is nominally
a page for the
institute,
but it has absolutely nothing on it other than a link to a
journal
from '94 regarding a visit to a gathering at the school. I'm
very
curious about this school: if anyone
knows how I can find out all
about
it, help would be much appreciated.
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da
PEAK
email: peak@uoguelph.ca
Guelph's
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From: "Kirsten A. Hirsch"
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Subject: Christmas gifts
My
family was very kind this year. I got the CDRomnibus (which was special
ordered
from Olson Books in Washington DC) and the Beat Generation cds from
Rhino.
I've
had fun with the Romnibus. Wish there was more video and sound. Some of
the
"video" attached to readings is simply a still image and that is a
bit of
a let
down. If they were going to do something, they should have had clips
from
PULL MY DAISY etc.
THe
Rhino cds are interesting. Understanding the difference between BEAT and
BEATNIK
is important though. If you do, it's very entertaining.
Whoever
suggested writing to Waterow Books, I did and they sent me a great
catalog.
Apparently, sometime this year there will be a Beat Generation CD-
ROM
similar to the Kerouac one available through Waterow (and other sources I
am
sure).
-Kirsten
Hirsch
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Baraka
I don't
defend Baraka. I do respect him. Every man's life is his own, if he
wants
to reject part of it, its his to do.
"Believe it if you need it, if
you
don't then pass it on."
Howard
Park
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Subject: Re: Christmas gifts
>THe
Rhino cds are interesting. Understanding the difference between BEAT and
>BEATNIK
is important though. If you do, it's very entertaining.
>
What do
you mean here, Kirsten? Why do the
Rhino CD's elicit this comment?
Tim
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Subject: Re: Rhino CD's
Comments:
To: Kirsten=A.=Hirsch%Commons%USC@comnet.usc.vcu.edu
At
01:50 PM 1/3/96 EST, you wrote:
>IMO,
the "beatnik" movement, if you will, was partly an exploitation of
the
>BEAT
literature movement. The term "beatnik" was coined in a newspaper
>article
refering to any person who wore a beret and sandals and generally
>"loafed".
From what I understand, the "nik" was added to the end of beat as a
>joke,
refering to the new and popular fifties term "sputnik".
>
>Granted,
there was good work,etc. that came from the "beatnik" era and it was
>a
precursor to the "hippie" movement of the 60's. However, IMO, a lot
of the
>beatnik
material on the Rhino CD's is mocking the "beat" movement.
>
>I
look at it as compared to the term "grunge" or "slacker".
Grunge is a style
>of
music, whereas if you are "grunge" you are a "slacker" but
not necessarily
>a
musician. It's just my way of putting it into perspective.
>
>I
think the original article that coined "beatnik" is on Levi's LIT
KICKS web
>page.
>
>-Kirsten
Hirsch
>
Yeah. I know what you mean. beatnik conjures up images of people in
black
turtlenecks,
dark glasses and black berets snapping there fingers and saying
daddy-o.
I guess
I don't know what Rhino CD you are talking about. The kerouac
collection
is put out by Rhino and I thought you were talking about that.
Is
there some sort of Rhino beatnik CD?
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From: William Miller
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Subject: Big Sky Mind
Hello
everyone
I hope
you had a most safe, enjoyable, and respectable new year.
In a
recent post, Dan Barth wrote:
%%
I did
receive *Big Sky Mind: Buddhism and the BG* for a Chritmas present. I'm
happy
with it, reading the Kerouac section at the moment, though again I have
a few
quibbles
with the Introduction by a professor of philosophy who does not have
me
convinced about his knowledge of the Beats.
%%
I
picked the book up about 2 months ago and found it to be a good
"alternate"
sort of
anthology, not the general sort of anthology that The Beat Reader
tries
to be. I find little new except the
general thread of "seeker" along
the
Beat-Buddhism axis....
I'd
like to read some more impressions of _Big Sky Mind_.
BTW,
_Big Sky Mind_, a "Tricycle Book", leads me to the magazine
"Tricycle",
published
quarterly, which includes pieces on the beats sometimes,
Kerouac&buddhism,
AllenG&buddhism, et cetera.
Regards,
William
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Subject: Re: naropa institute/kerouac school of
disembodied poetics
Comments:
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>I've
been having a rough time trying to find information regarding the
>naropa
institute & the school of poetics (the former of which I
>understand
is part of the latter): there is nominally
a page for the
>institute,
but it has absolutely nothing on it other than a link to a
>journal
from '94 regarding a visit to a gathering at the school. I'm
>very
curious about this school: if anyone
knows how I can find out all
>about
it, help would be much appreciated.
I'd
also appreciate this information.. I'll be grad. next year and would
like to
know if it is worth going for a Masters there..
..Critter
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The
College Handbook lists the current information on Naropa: Naropa Institute
, 2130
Arapahoe Avenue, Boulder, CO
80302. Telephone:
303-444-0202. An M.A.
as well
as MFA is offered.
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from "Howard Park"
at Jan 3, 96 10:21:36 am
About
baraka:
i
recently saw him read from his new collection of poems "transbluency"
at the
borders in phila. -- the man's message is loud and clear and it is
unfortunate
that so many just label him a racist and dismiss him --
besides
the serious and DAMNING political bashing (surely deserved in my
book)
in his poetry, he also calls for his people to lay the foundations
for a
cultural base, something that is true and that will not be brushed
away as
a fad -- the fact that i am white did not diminish the urgency of
his
message -- the reading and the discussion afterwards were incredibly
inspiring
for me -- baraka's eyes are WIDE open and his political message
(he is
now a third-world socialist and very active in demonstrations
around
the world) and all the implications it carries causes alot of
people
to turn away in fear/blindness or whatever --(by the way, baraka
denounced
his early nationalism long ago) -- i look at baraka's voice as
a vital
one and a simple reading of his poetry i think warrants this --
baraka
made some comments on the beats -- he explained that they were
never
united except in the sense that they were all working towards a
break-down
of language -- he said that he and ginsberg are/were good
friends
but that he disagrees with 99.9 percent of what ginsberg says --
he
mentioned reading 'howl' for the first time while in the navy and
writing
to ginsberg asking him if he was "really for real"-- baraka
generally
doesn't see himself as a member of that group and wonders why
he is
so often lumped into it -- he also told everyone to check out bob
kaufmann
if they really wanted to know where alot of what is considered
"beat'
"came from" --
this
comment interests me and i was wondering why kaufman poetry is so
hard to
obtain -- reading his "ancient rain poems" i was struck by HOW
GOOD HE
IS -- why is this man so often ignored -- he did say shortly
before
he died that he wanted to be anonymous, but it is amazing to me
that we
could let such a good poet get buried in the shade of lesser
talents
-- he is the original jazz poet -- has anyone found any
recordings
of kaufman --
also,
since this is the first time i'm contributing to this list(although
i've
been reading all the mail for about a month), my BIG question is
"WHO
HAS A COPY OF 'Mishaps,Perhaps" by Solomon" -- can it actually be
found,
CAN IT? -- can we convince ferlinghetti to reissue it, can we
threaten
him? -- what about Lamantia poetry, the only 'beat' embraced by
andre
breton himself as a liberated soul -- is 'meadowlark west' all that
is left
of this amazing poet?
will
wss.mail.sas.upenn.edu
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Subject: Re: Baraka
Comments:
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>
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>
To: Multiple recipients of
list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYV
William
Schofield wrote:
> i
was wondering why kaufman poetry is so
>
hard to obtain -- reading his "ancient rain poems" i was struck by
HOW
>
GOOD HE IS -- why is this man so often ignored -- he did say shortly
>
before he died that he wanted to be anonymous, but it is amazing to me
>
that we could let such a good poet get buried in the shade of lesser
>
talents -- he is the original jazz poet -- has anyone found any
>
recordings of kaufman --
Yeah,
you're right, it's pretty sad about Bob Kaufman, his work was
that
great. Even GOLDEN SARDINE, I think, is out of print now, though
the
newly published CITY LIGHTS POCKET POETS ANTHOLOGY (a terrific
anthology!)
has a coupla poems from GOLDEN SARDINE.
But
there will be published this year, if it has not been already,
this
book: CRANIAL GUITAR: SELECTED POEMS, by Bob Kaufman! It's
published
by Coffee House Press, in Minneapolis. I went on-line to
see who
might own this, and only the Library of Congress has a record
of it
right now.
Recordings,
though, when I tried to locate anything through the
Library
of Congress, nothing showed, and so there's probably nothing
commercial,
at least.
>
also, since this is the first time i'm contributing to this list(although
>
i've been reading all the mail for about a month), my BIG question is
>
"WHO HAS A COPY OF 'Mishaps,Perhaps" by Solomon" -- can it
actually be
>
found, CAN IT? -- can we convince ferlinghetti to reissue it, can we
>
threaten him? -- what about Lamantia poetry, the only 'beat' embraced by
>
andre breton himself as a liberated soul -- is 'meadowlark west' all that
> is
left of this amazing poet
I think
the Solomon stuff is out of print now, all of it, though in
1989 he
published his memoirs, called EMERGENCY MESSAGES: AN
AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL
MISCELLANEY, through Paragon, the same folks who did
Huncke's
GUILTY OF EVERYTHING.
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From: CLAY VAUGHAN
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Subject: Re: Baraka
Comments:
To: William S Schofield <wss@SAS.UPENN.EDU>,
"BEAT-L: Beat Generation
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A quick
addendum:
I don't
know if I mentioned it, but a sequel of sorts was printed
after
Carl Solomon's MISHAPS, PERHAPS, called MORE MISHAPS. I was
lucky
enough to find copies of these a long time ago. And it's funny
looking
at what the Library of Congress sees as among its official
subject
headings: "Psychiatric Hospital Patients--United States--
Biography" !!!!!
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From: Jim Stedman <jstedman@NMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Baraka
>About
baraka:
Will
-- I had a copy of Mishaps, which I
picked up at a used bookstore up
here in
the snowy UP of Michigan. I eventually gifted-it away. I don't
rmember
it as being a City Lights publication, though. I've been wrong
before,
but there's a first time for everything!
Cheers,
Jim
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From: Michael Thorn
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Subject: Kerouac's Letters
I've
had this book for a couple of months, and am reading
it real
slow, one letter at a time, every few days.
Still
on page 65, having finished a moving letter from Mom
(not
Memere - she signs herself Mom) distraught at Jack's
attitude
towards the navy.
Anyone
else at a similar point?
Michael
mthorn@fastnet.co.uk
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From: "W. Luther Jett"
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Subject: Re: Carl Solomon (Was re: Baraka)
There
are two brief excerpts from "Mishaps, Perhaps" in the Penguin
"Portable
Beat
Reader" (1992). According to the acknowledgements therein, the book
*was*
published by City Lights and is copyrighted 1966 by Carl Solomon.
Luther
Jett
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From: William Miller
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Subject: Re: Baraka
Hello
again folks.
William
Miller here.
In a
message dated 96-01-04 14:26:19 EST, Clay Vaughn writes:
>I
don't know if I mentioned it, but a sequel of sorts was printed
>after
Carl Solomon's MISHAPS, PERHAPS, called MORE MISHAPS. I was
>lucky
enough to find copies of these a long time ago. And it's funny
>looking
at what the Library of Congress sees as among its official
>subject
headings: "Psychiatric Hospital Patients--United States--
>Biography" !!!!!
A
humorous side note is in order here:
William Burroughs' _The Cat Inside_
is
listed under "Pet Owners--United States--Biography" -----------
Sincerely,
William
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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Interview with Neal Cassady's son
In-Reply-To:
<960105101510_32523505@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "William
Miller"
at Jan 5, 96 10:15:11 am
I just
put a fairly extensive interview with John Cassady, Neal's 43-year-old
son, up
on my web site. I think it turned out
pretty interesting ... the
direct
URL is http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/JCI/JCInterview.html, or you
can
just go in thru my Beat News or Neal Cassady pages.
Happy
New Year everyone.
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Levi Asher =
brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Some people like to go
out dancing,
but other people like us, they
gotta work
And there's even some evil
mothers
who'll tell you life is just made
out of dirt
That women never really
faint
that villains always blink
their eyes
That children are the only ones
who blush
and that life is just a
dive"
-- Velvet
Underground, "Sweet Jane"
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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>
Subject: Unpublished Kerouac
The
Fall 1995 issue of <<DHARMA beat>> magazine includes an unpublished
story
by Jack Kerouac, titled "My Sunset Birth." This issue also
includes:
o Study of Kerouac's spirituality,
o Description of the beat exhibit at the Whitney,
o Photo essay of Kerouac sites in San
Francisco,
o Review of selected Kerouac archives,
and
o Other reviews, info and stuff on
Kerouac and beat activites and
resources.
<<DHARMA
beat>>, is published twice a year by the non-profit Jack Kerouac
Subterrnaean
Information Society. It is dedicated to getting the word out
on
Kerouac activities, publications and organizations.
Available
from: The Jack Kerouac subterranean Information Society, Box
1753,
Lowell, MA 01853-1753, USA. RATES: Sample $2.00, Subscription (2)
issues
5.00 US per year (Foreign $7.00 US). Hardcopy only.
Thanks.
Mark
Hemenway
Attila
Gyenis
Editors
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Subject: Keroauc/beat events
We're
starting to get the Spring 1996 issue of <<DHARMA beat>> magazine
together.
If anyone is planning or knows of Kerouac or beat events,
organizations,
activities, clubs, etc. we would be happy to publish that
information
for you.
Send
who, what, when, where and how much (if appropriate) to me at this
address
or snail mail to the Jack Kerouac subterranean Information
Society,
BOX 1753, Lowell, MA 01853-1753.
Thanks,
Mark
Hemenway
Co-editor
mhemenway@s1.drc.com
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From: "Kris L. Dolberg"
<GreenTramp@AOL.COM>
Subject: filler: I win!!! :)
I
WIN!!! :)
I hurt
you?
Good,
that was my intention
You
will remember your first time
And I
took it from you
But my
purpose was planned
You
fell in my trap
You
treated me wrong
You
disrespected me
You
lied
You
snuck around
And
thought I'd be there always
Like a
doll
You can
play with me when you want
And
then drop me
And
when you come back I'll be ready and willing
I ain't
like that
And I
got my revenge
I
taught you a lesson
You'll
never forget me
And
maybe next time you'll show your woman some respect
-Zoe LD
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From: "Kris L. Dolberg"
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Subject: filler: Father, just remember.
FATHER,
JUST REMEMBER
You're
so sweet
If only
you could remember
You
have a daughter
The one
that's sitting beside you
The one
that's always there
You
know I'm here
You do
care
but
your blinded
You
confuse me
You
ignore me and blow me off
Then
you turn around and act like I'm all you have
I know
you care
Just
remember
Please
don't ever forget me, father
-Zoe LD
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From: "Kris L. Dolberg"
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Subject: filler: Love's Pain
LOVE'S
PAIN
You say
it's bad to not love
But
look at the pain you're in
It's
because of love
The
tears that flow endlessly
It's
because of love
I don't
love
I don't
care
I'm
happy
Look at
me
I don't
feel love's pain
Maybe
I'll love later
I don't
have time now
-Zoe LD
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From: Ted Pelton <Notlep@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: BEAT-L Digest - 1 Jan 1996 to 2 Jan
1996
Scattered
responses to list topics:
Regina
Weinreich's book on "poetics" not "prose": a good
distinction:
"poetics"
is a word that can link Kerouac with other theorists of "making"
(Greek
poesis) literary works in late 20th C (I think of poet Charles Olson,
whose
"field" approach has a lot of similarity with Kerouac's
improvs). I
used
the word too in my the title of my dissertation on Herman Melville to
talk
about his theories of making texts as well -- it has some currency in
lit
crit these days to describe prose writers' as well as poets' acts of
making.
Howard,
do you know when the Beat show will be in Minneapolis?
On
Baraka: there's a great video of him reading and being interviewed in the
Lannan
Foundation series, which is in many libraries.
To my mind, Baraka has
held firm
to a Marxist approach to the revolutionary agenda introduced by the
Beats,
later incorporated into 60s counter-culture.
I find his critique of
culture
to be very informed and not dismissable simply for being Marxist;
theoretical
Marxism was not foreclosed by the demise of the Soviet bloc, no
matter
what George Will etc. would have us think -- the Soviets had long
since
discontinued being Marxist, were totalitarian, or even (some contend)
state-controlled
capitalism. Or, to quote the rock band,
The Mekons: "How
can
socialism really be dead if it never even happened?"
On
Naropa: If you don't want to enroll there for a longer period or just want
a
taste, Naropa has a summer program (or at least they used to -- I haven't
been in
touch with them in a few years) which annually brings in the
still-living
heroes of American writing we've been talking about, as well as
many of
the better experimental American poets who were influenced by Beat
stuff
(I think of Clark Coolidge, for instance, who I saw read there) for
readings
and classes. I didn't attend Naropa,
but did the CU at Boulder
writing
program, and attended many of the summer Naropa events, many of which
were
open to the public for an admission charge.
If you're short of cash,
you can
just hang out (a popular pasttime in Boulder) and attend selected
events.
Has
anyone on the list actually _attended_ Naropa?
What was it like?
Peace,
Ted
Pelton
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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>
Subject: Naropa
Ted
asked if anyone had ever attended Naropa. I took a class there about the
Shambhala
tradition, but it too was a summer class, and I wasn't enrolled as
a
full-time student. My feelings about Naropa are mixed; I very much respect
what
they're trying to do, but I think they fall into the trappings many
academic
institutions do, which is letting their ego get in the way of their
compassion (this seems particularly problematic in a
Buddhist-founded
school).
That was just one - my - experience
though; I also knew a man who
got his
M.A. from the Transpersonal Psych. program there and he emerged with
excellent
counseling skills, and was very compassionate and mindful. He told
me that the application process for his program
was pretty rigorous, but not
in the traditional
academic sense. They put a lot of emphasis on personal
growth
work, and communication & participation skills, more so than academic
record
(which I don't suppose is such a big surprise). That's all I know.
Liz
(p.s. -
Hi Clay)
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1996
In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:02:04 -0500
from <Notlep@AOL.COM>
A
footnote to Ted's posting: The Lannan
foundation has produced a number of fi
ne
videos on Beats and other poets. These
videos are made available to many li
braries
free through a grant from Lannan. Check
your local libraries.
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Minneapolis and SF dates for Beat show
According
to the catalog, the "Beat Culture and the New America" show ends at
the
Whitney on Feb. 4, opens at the Walker in Minneapolis on June 2 - Sept.
15,
then to the de Young in San Francisco Oct. 5 - Dec. 29.
Howard
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Subject: Minn/SF Dates for Beat Show
Greetings
from frozen Washington. Dammit, if its
not the freshmen Republican
assholes
"revolutionaries" to shut the city down its the weather!
Anyway,
according to many of you outside the beltway there was something
wrong
with my previous post re: future dates for the beat show currently at
the
Whitney. Here goes:
through
Feb. 4 - Whitney, NYC
June 2
- Sept. 15, Walker Art Center, Minneapolis
Oct. 5
- Dec. 29, deYoung, San Francisco
BTW -
I'm helping to promote a band, Outer Body Llama, and all of you near DC
should
see them at the 15 Minute Club this Tuesday, 1/9 - it will be time to
dig out
by then! E-Mail me directly for
details.
Howard
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Subject: Looking for.....
I am
looking for a communications group of persons who:
do not
feel part of the baby boomers;
are not
old enough to be WWIIers;
who
have some of the conservative, economical ideas of the
depression era parents who might have raised
children
before WWII;
I am
having trouble identifying with groups born after 1946.
please
respond to me at
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Subject: Big Sky Mind
A couple of weeks ago at a used book
store I picked up a book by Lafcadio
Hearn
called *Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things*. Most of the
stories
are from Chinese and Japanese sources.
One titled "The Story of
Mimi-Nashi-Hoichi" includes a reference to the Buddhist
"Pragna-
Paramita-Hridaya-Sutra"
and includes this footnote: "Both the smaller and
larger
sutras called Pragna-Paramita (Transcendent Wisdom) have been
translated
by the late Professor Max Muller, and can be found in volume xlix.
of *The
Sacred Books of the East* ('Buddhist Mahayana Sutras'). -- Apropos of
the
magical use of the text, as described in this story, it is worth
remarking
that the subject of the sutra is the Doctrine of the Emptiness of
Forms,
-- that is to say, of the unreal character of all phenomena or noumena
. . . .
' Form is emptiness; and emptiness is form. Emptiness is not
different
from form; form is not different from emptiness. What is form --
that is
emptiness. What is emptiness -- that is form . . . . ' "
I copied that down because I liked the
way it resonated in my mind. Then a
few
days later I was reading the Kerouac section of *Big Sky Mind* and came
across
these riffs or takes that Kerouac had done on that sutra. I'm not
trying
to make a point here, I just like the way these things sound, the way
old
Jack played with the words and concepts of the Transcendent Wisdom Sutra.
So here
you go:
". . . Philip, there's no
difference between you and the tree and the fence,
different
appearances of the same (holy-if-you-will) empty essence. It is in
the
Hridaya Prajna Paramita, ie., like, the tree and the fence are emptiness,
the
tree and the fence are not different from emptiness, neither is emptiness
different
from the tree and the fence, indeed, emptiness is the tree & the
fence.
Because emptiness is everything and everything is emptiness. And even
emptiness
is a word, so, a prayer, the world, I mean the word emptiness is
emptiness,
the word emptiness is not different from emptiness, neither is
emptiness
different from the word emptiness, indeed, emptiness is the word
emptiness!"
(Letter to Philip Whalen)
"Gary here's what I hope to see
before I die. A whole bunch of Bhikkus are
sitting
in the open, one of them holds his juju beads and recites out loud,
while
the others follow bead by bead, he is reciting spontaneous prayers that
begin
with the big Buddha bead and run through the other wooden ones and the
two
glass beads. He goes, say, like this: 'Sitting in the open is the
emptiness
of the Buddha bead, sitting in the open is not different from the
emptiness
of the Buddha bead, neither is the emptiness of the Buddha bead
different
from sitting in the open, indeed, the emptiness of the Buddha bead,