beat list 1996

> Is there a Black Beatness (besides, or in line with, Mr. Baraka's course)?

> Or is "Beat," Black Whiteness? You dig?

Check out, if you haven't, Norman Mailer's seminal essay, "The White

Negro"(1957) (found in his _Advertisements for Myself_ (1959)) for an

early discussion of white hipness vis a vis the American Negro experience.

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From: Julie Hulvey <JHulvey@AOL.COM>

Subject: Since you asked....

> Is there anything that comes to mind that you think I

>should be reading, listers? I've been mining this territory already, >but

please, feel free to make what you might otherwise dismiss as >"obvious"

>suggestions of texts -- anything beyond OTR, Vanity of Dulouz, >Howl.

Ted: Since you're interested in the connections between Kerouac and black

culture, I suggest reading The Subterraneans, concerning his relationship

with black beat woman "Mardou Fox" or Ilene May. One of the reasons I can

never stay mad at Kerouac over his treatment of women is the tension that

comes through in this book: Because at every point where the narrator feels

disgust at Mardou's otherness -

her womanness and blackness - there is also this deep sadness

and shame about having the disgust. (In my early feminist days, my attitude

was "so what? he was sad about everything!") Of course, there is a lot more

to the book than this..

It's one of my favorite Kerouac books ...right after Visions of Gerard, which

is so beautifully written, and can give you a feeling of how Buddhism and

Catholicism mingled in Kerouac's psyche.

(By the way, I am completely wrapped up in Charles Olson's work and bio these

days after having started with him this fall via Ed Sanders...mention this

because I know you appreciate Olson.)

Julie

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From: The Guelph Peak <peak@UOGUELPH.CA>

Subject: Re: BEAT-L Digest - 11 Jan 1996 to 12 Jan 1996

In-Reply-To: <960113203413_115704074@mail06.mail.aol.com>

On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Ted Pelton wrote:

> Is there a Black Beatness (besides, or in line with, Mr. Baraka's course)?

> Or is "Beat," Black Whiteness? You dig?

Might you mean black whiteness, or is that the same thing (but really,

if there can be one the other should be the opposite), or another

possibility? That is, I presume you're talking about one of these

groups taking on the other's characteristics. Thinking again, my guess

is that regardless of wording you meant the taking on of black

characteristics by whites. Is this what you meant?

> One more thing: does anyone know if Dizzy's song "Kerouac" is available on

> any CD? Which? I've never heard it.

I'm sure I've seen it on CD, but don't know what one--sorry.

Paul

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:16:43 -0700

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From: JAMES ATKERSON <abcad@AZTEC.ASU.EDU>

Subject: Re: BEAT-L Digest - 11 Jan 1996 to 12 Jan 1996

On Sat.13 Jan. 1996, Ted Pelton asked about "Beat,Black White-

ness".

Is this meant to be interpreted as whites sharing a existential

phenomenology with blacks?

I think what Kerouac (among others) shared not only with the bla-

cks,the mexicans,the homeless,the mad,the dope-addicted was a

feeling of being unacculterated and disesteemed in the life and

times of 50's America.

So, in short my answer is yes there was a shared existential

phenomenological philosophy.

of Course life being just a Reflex you know since Everything is

Relative or to sum it ALL UP god being Dead(not to mention in

Terred) LONG LIVE that Upwardlooking Serene Illustrious and Lord

of Creation,MAN.........................................e.e.c.

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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Dead Beat

Harrison's book about the Dead was the first, but I have always found it

disjointed and, my impression is that he exaggerated his connections with the

band. (BTW he is Courtney Love's father).

I found Rock Scully's book, "Living with the Dead" to be pretty informative,

very funny and sometimes quite sad. Scully has his detractors, but he was a

real insider. There are several references to Jack Kerouac's influence upon

Garcia. Scully's book, IMHO, is the first "real" book about Garcia -- the

first the penetrate what gradually became a formidable public relations

machine. I don't say that in a particularily negative sense. Arguably, one

of my heros, Allen Ginsburg is one of the great PR persons of the century.

His standing as a truely great poet is not a matter for serious argument (I

hope Norman Podheritz reads that and has a fit).

For the last 10 years or so, Dennis McNally, author of a fine Kerouac bio

"Desolate Angel", still in print, was the spokesperson for the Dead. I

understyand that he will write the definitive book of the latter years of the

band, and perhaps of the early years too. I hope he won't pull his punches.

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From: Mark Fisher <Fisher@PROGRAMART.COM>

Subject: Re: Recommended reading

> Ok, my question. Is there anything that comes to mind that you think I

> should be reading, listers? I've been mining this territory already, but

> please, feel free to make what you might otherwise dismiss as "obvious"

> suggestions of texts -- anything beyond OTR, Vanity of Dulouz, Howl. This

> goes for the Black context as well -- Billie Holiday's Lady Sings the Blues,

> Baraka's Blues People and Malcolm's Autobiography are the centers of this for

> me, but anything else you think of?

> Is there a Black Beatness (besides, or in line with, Mr. Baraka's course)?

> Or is "Beat," Black Whiteness? You dig?

Check out, if you haven't, Norman Mailer's seminal essay, "The White

Negro"(1957) (found in his _Advertisements for Myself_ (1959)) for an

early discussion of white hipness vis a vis the American Negro experience.

Beat Culture and the New America has a chapter on the influence and

participation of Blacks in the Beat Generation. There is also an

interview with Ted Jones in one of Arthur and Kit Knights books in

which he reminices (sic) about Kerouac in Harlem.

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From: Mark Fisher <Fisher@PROGRAMART.COM>

Subject: Spit In The Ocean

This literary journal published by Ken Kesey in the late 70's, was

supposed to have 7 issues. To my knowledge, publication ceased after

the special Neal Cassady Issue #6. Does anyone know if issue #7 was

ever released and if not, why the project was dropped?

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From: Megan Milard <Sixgallery@AOL.COM>

Subject: DAN TERKLA

DAN TERKLA--

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE STILL A MEMBER OF THIS LIST, BUT IF YOUARE PLEASE

SEND ME YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS. I CANNOT FIND YOU ANYWHERE AND I HAVE MANY

GINSBERG IDEAS I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. HOPE TO TALK WITH YOU SOON.

MEGAN

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:22:11 -0800

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From: Damion Searls <searls@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU>

Subject: Query re: Paul Bowles's health

Hello everyone. I'm a new subscriber -- saw your paragraph ad in the new

PMLA -- and I thought that someone out there might be up on

guru-to-the-Beats Paul Bowles.

Last I heard, he had returned from Tangiers to the U.S. for medical

attention. Does anyone know what it was? how serious? if he's still alive?

if he's back in Tangiers? where in the U.S. he was/is? I'm partly just

curious, partly thinking of writing to him and trying to interview him for

some work I'm doing on Paul and Jane Bowles (health permitting, obviously).

Thanks!

-- Damion Searls

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:21:04 EST

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: russian influences

Ginsberg has certainly been influenced by Russian Poetry, particularly Mayakovs

ky and Yesenin. He talks about these influences as well as Whitman's influence

on European poetry in a course he sometimes gives at Brooklyn College on the hi

story of the Beat Generation. If I remember correctly, there are also some not

es on these influences in the annotated edition of Howl.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:39:00 EST

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Collectors and Hesse

In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:37:03 -0500 from

<philli31@PILOT.MSU.EDU>

On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:37:03 -0500 Rodney Lee Phillips said:

>Mark--

>In regards to your question concerning the Beats & Russian writers, see a

>collection of interviews called (I believe) <The Beat Generation and the

>Russian New Wave>. It was published by Ardis Press in Ann Arbor in 1990.

>Sorry, but I can't remember the editor's name. The book contains some

>interesting stuff on the connections between the Beats and their Russian

>counterparts.

> Best,

> Rod Phillips

> Dept of American Thought & Language

> Michigan State

> philli31@pilot.msu.edu

>> > If you would like

>to discuss beat collecting please contact me at > Fisher@Programart.com.

>> The following quote is from "Dharma Lion" by Michael Schumacher, first

>> in wraps, Chap. 9 "Howl", p. 197 (reference is to Ginsberg):

>> "For his study of Buddhism he examined Herman Hesse's novel,

>> "Siddhartha" which he judged to be, nowhere in particular."

>> There is also a passing reference to HH in Literary Outlaw, but it

>> refers to Timothy Leary's Castalia Foundation based on a group of

>> mystic scientists in "The Glass Bead Game." Although Burroughs opinion

>> was not expressed, he apparently did not care much for Leary at the

>> time.

>> I could not find a reference to HH in the Paris Review interview of

>> JK.

>> Has anyone read Ann and Sam Charters, book about Mayakovsky, "I Love"?

>> I found some interesting similarities between the Russian writers of

>> that era and the Beats. Has anyone written about this influence?

Editors are Lauriden & Dalgard

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:34:08 EST

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From: Mark Fisher <Fisher@PROGRAMART.COM>

Subject: Re: russian influences

Ginsberg has certainly been influenced by Russian Poetry, particularly Mayakovs

ky and Yesenin. He talks about these influences as well as Whitman's influence

on European poetry in a course he sometimes gives at Brooklyn College on the hi

story of the Beat Generation. If I remember correctly, there are also some not

es on these influences in the annotated edition of Howl.

If I remember correctly, Allan's mother was Russian.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:29:06 EST

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Spit In The Ocean

In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:48:35 EST from

<Fisher@PROGRAMART.COM>

On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:48:35 EST Mark Fisher said:

> This literary journal published by Ken Kesey in the late 70's, was

> supposed to have 7 issues. To my knowledge, publication ceased after

> the special Neal Cassady Issue #6. Does anyone know if issue #7 was

> ever released and if not, why the project was dropped?

This is also my understanding. The Brooklyn College library lists volumes 1-6.

Don't know what happened to number 7. Suspect it wasn't completed.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:43:32 EST

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Query re: Paul Bowles's health

In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:22:11 -0800 from

<searls@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU>

On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:22:11 -0800 Damion Searls said:

>Hello everyone. I'm a new subscriber -- saw your paragraph ad in the new

>PMLA -- and I thought that someone out there might be up on

>guru-to-the-Beats Paul Bowles.

>Last I heard, he had returned from Tangiers to the U.S. for medical

>attention. Does anyone know what it was? how serious? if he's still alive?

>if he's back in Tangiers? where in the U.S. he was/is? I'm partly just

>curious, partly thinking of writing to him and trying to interview him for

>some work I'm doing on Paul and Jane Bowles (health permitting, obviously).

>Thanks!

>-- Damion Searls

Don't know if this will be of use but there was a nice article in the New York

Times Book Review, June 26, 1994, on Bowles return to the States.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:00:35 -0500

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From: Jim Stedman <jstedman@NMU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Query re: Paul Bowles's health

>On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:22:11 -0800 Damion Searls said:

>>Hello everyone. I'm a new subscriber -- saw your paragraph ad in the new

>>PMLA -- and I thought that someone out there might be up on

>>guru-to-the-Beats Paul Bowles.

>>Last I heard, he had returned from Tangiers to the U.S. for medical

>>attention. Does anyone know what it was? how serious? if he's still alive?

>>if he's back in Tangiers? where in the U.S. he was/is? I'm partly just

>>curious, partly thinking of writing to him and trying to interview him for

>>some work I'm doing on Paul and Jane Bowles (health permitting, obviously).

>>Thanks!

>>-- Damion Searls

>Don't know if this will be of use but there was a nice article in the New York

>Times Book Review, June 26, 1994, on Bowles return to the States.

And this article was really about his returning _only_ to hear some

symphonic music he'd written... yah?

It had been a long long time since he'd been in New York... it was also

cited in _The New Yorker_ magazine.

Jim Stedman

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From: "Rita T. Friedman" <NekkidLnch@AOL.COM>

Subject: Unsubscribe beat -l

unsubsribe beat -l

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:40:09 -0500

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From: Ted Pelton <Notlep@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Black & Beat

Thanks for your suggestions, one and all!

Ted Pelton

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 16:05:22 +1300

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From: Tim <tching@VOYAGER.CO.NZ>

Subject: Jan Kerouac

Recently I came across a book by Jan Kerouac. The notes on the cover

suggested she is the daughter of Jack. Is this true? I was unaware of any

children in Jack's closet. Does anyone know what she is doing now and the

names of anything else she has written? Finally are there any other

acknowledged children of Jack?

Thanks, Tim.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:31:28 EST

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From: Peter McGahey <PRM95003@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>

Subject: Jan Kerouac (fwd)

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

From: Tim <tching@VOYAGER.CO.NZ>

Subject: Jan Kerouac

To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM>

Recently I came across a book by Jan Kerouac. The notes on the cover

suggested she is the daughter of Jack. Is this true? I was unaware of any

children in Jack's closet. Does anyone know what she is doing now and the

names of anything else she has written? Finally are there any other

acknowledged children of Jack?

______________________________________________________________________________

She's currently suing the estate of her father. Jack never really officially

recognized her, but the courts did, as she collects royalties off his books.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:04:19 -0500

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From: Andra Greenberg <asg5@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac (fwd)

>----------------------------Original message----------------------------

>From: Tim <tching@VOYAGER.CO.NZ>

>Subject: Jan Kerouac

>To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM>

>Recently I came across a book by Jan Kerouac. The notes on the cover

>suggested she is the daughter of Jack. Is this true? I was unaware of any

>children in Jack's closet. Does anyone know what she is doing now and the

>names of anything else she has written? Finally are there any other

>acknowledged children of Jack?

>______________________________________________________________________________

>She's currently suing the estate of her father. Jack never really officially

>recognized her, but the courts did, as she collects royalties off his books.

Why didn't he recognize her? And on another topic, about what is the book

by Jan?

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:18:01 -0500

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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>

Subject: Jan Kerouac

Yes, Jan is Jack's daughter. Check out the liner notes for the Jack kerouac

boxed set (by Rhino). She writes the opening for these notes and talks about

her relationship with her father. Also, check out "Literary Kicks," Levi

Asher's Beat page on the Web. I read something there about Jan Kerouac and

the current struggles she's having with the family of Jack's widow AND there

was some info about her being barred from last summer's Beat conference in

New York even though JK was the main topic at hand.

Was the book you read by Jan "Baby Driver?" How was it?

Liz.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:34:21 -0800

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac

>Yes, Jan is Jack's daughter. Check out the liner notes for the Jack kerouac

>boxed set (by Rhino). She writes the opening for these notes and talks about

>her relationship with her father. Also, check out "Literary Kicks," Levi

>Asher's Beat page on the Web. I read something there about Jan Kerouac and

>the current struggles she's having with the family of Jack's widow AND there

>was some info about her being barred from last summer's Beat conference in

>New York even though JK was the main topic at hand.

>Was the book you read by Jan "Baby Driver?" How was it?

>Liz.

I read baby Driver. I liked it. I never read train Song though.

I remember reading that part of the divorce settlement between Kerouac and

Joan Haverty his second wife and Jan kerouac's mother was that Kerouac was

to have no contact with his daughter.

Jack did seem to try and deny his paternity. This is the least flattering

aspect of his life to put it nicely. But the court settlement that

specifically forabde him to have any contact with his daughter does present

extenuating circumstances in his favor concerning his refusal to

acknolwedge his daughter as being his. Later he did meet her and spend

some time with her (very small amounts of time). I think Baby Driver

recounts these times.

Tim G

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 02:40:32 -0500

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From: William S Schofield <wss@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac

In-Reply-To: <199601170305.QAA11533@host02.net.voyager.co.nz> from "Tim" at

Jan 17, 96 04:05:22 pm

There was an article in the New York times about the children of the

beats from i think November 5th or thereabouts -- jan kerouac was

interviewed first, followed by talks with simon carr, parker kaufman, a

couple of cassady's kids, one of diprima's daughters (who else on this

list enjoys diprima -- anything obtainable besides pieces of a song??)

and some other hapless offspring -- the article was showing the legacy

of the beats in terms of their own children and from what i read of it,

IT WAS FUCKING DEPRESSING -- everyone on the list should read this now

that i think about it -- i wanted to hate parker kaufman for his lack of

respect for his father and his art,because kaufman has wrapped his words

around my heart and healed it thru SQUEEZING, whatever that means, but by

the end of the article

when you find out parker(named after charlie) is penniless and supporting

his mother and the

interviewer gave him ten bucks and a 'nice talking to you' it was just

sad and did give another depressing insight into our society - that, plus

bob kaufman's son was wearing a paula abdul shirt THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY

ABOUT THAT because that genuinely frightened me(for some reason) --

straying back to the legacy of the beats, does anyone have suggestions

for books about the beat legacy that actually have some relevance and are

not just drooling over the writers --

this is for ted pelton(i think) concerning reading suggestions -- there

is an antholgy called "black fire" edited by amiri baraka himself that

you should definitely look into -- obtainable thru library only i'm sure

-- all by basically contemporary black writers --

gratuitous spontaneous poetry add-on since it seems so fun when some of

you do it --

the pale blue wombs

are blown away,

having collapsed under

the weight of their

weary children,

so fragile in this

violent night,

their shoulders trembling

for the cold earth

and the warmth of an

answer, the green day

so very far away,

pulled back over the

gray horizon,

a retracted claw that

brought the comfort

of a healing wound

will

u.of.penna.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:25:29 EST

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: Beat Kids

Yes, the interviews with the children of the beats in the New York Times

was depressing. Checkout Levi Asher's interview with John Cassady on his

LIT KICKS web page for a diferent point of view.

Mark H.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:59:21 GMT

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From: "bs@Aalborg U (AAU)" <i12bent@HUM.AUC.DK>

Subject: BeatLit URLs

This is an attempt to generate an e-mail directory file of WWW-documents

concerning Beat Generation literature and life. All the URLs listed have

been screened for content and found to contain something substantial of

interest. All URLs were operational on Jan 17, 1996.

If your favourite URL is not here, e-mail me and tell me about it. With

2000 search results for a ALTA VISTA search for "Kerouac" alone I'm sure to

have missed a lot... :-)

I hope to update and repost this file to BEAT-L regularly, but only if it

is of use to someone, so tell me what you think! The idea is to provide

quality, functional URLs so people can go directly where they can find good

stuff, and not have to wade through garbage thrown up by search engines...

I'll be adding a section of homepages with Beat interest next. Send me your

URL if you want to be on it.

For WWW-impaired, e-mail only users: I have some of these files as

text-only e-mailable chunks. Let me know if you would like anything in that

format.

Have fun reading & viewing.

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GENERAL BEAT INTEREST:

Levi Asher's Literary Kicks:

http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/LitKicks.html

Epistrophy: Jazz in 20th Century Literature:

http://ie.uwindsor.ca/jazz/

Village Voice (40th Anniversary):

http://www.villagevoice.com/birthday/50ginsbu.htm

The Whitney Museum, New York exhibit on Beat culture:

http://www.echonyc.com/~whitney/WMAA/BEATS/mainpage.html

The SF Chronicle Beat section, Sunday 11/26/95:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/chronicle/article-list.cgi?Pink:PK:/chronicle/

archive/1995/11/26

Beats and publishing:

http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/UnspeakableVisions/page1.html

Route 66 & The Beats:

http://www.virgin.fr/virgin/html/us/nostalgia/route66/beat_generation.html

http://www.virgin.fr/virgin/html/us/nostalgia/route66/byte_generation.html

Steve's Beat Page:

http://www.acs.appstate.edu/~jd4716/beats/index.html

Dharma Beats Cosmic Baseball:

http://www.clark.net/pubs/ace/95beats.html

Trekking the Beat Trail:

http://www.jpcom.com/euclid/beat.html

Addicted to Noise piece:

http://www.addict.com/ATN/issues/1.05/Features/Beatnik_Books/

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INDIVIDUAL AUTHORS:

LitKicks:

http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/People/

KEROUAC:

Audio files of Kerouac:

http://www.mathcs.duq.edu/~wiegand/jk.html

http://www-hsc.usc.edu/ ~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html

Penguin Kerouac CD-Rom:

http://www.penguin.com/usa/electronic/titles/kerouac/

Short bio:

http://www.lehigh.edu/~nat2/kerouac.html

Kerouac resources overview:

http://www.empirenet.com/~rdaeley/authors/kerouac.html

GINSBERG:

Interviews:

http://www.well.com/user/tricycle/beatgeneration.html

http://www.iuma.com/Seconds/html/issue28/Allen_Ginsburg.html

BURROUGHS:

The Burroughs File:

http://www.hyperreal.com/wsb/index.html

Unofficial Burroughs Homepage, part of web-zine Firehorse,

includes etexts:

http://www.peg.apc.org/~firehorse/wsb/wsb.html

Another Burroughs bibliography and info page:

http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~garms/zach/b1.html

Reality's Burroughs page w. quotes, sounds, links:

http://mugwump.ucsd.edu/bkeeley/play-stuff/WSB.html

Article: "Bring the Noise! William S. Burroughs and Music in the Expanded

Field" by Brent Wood, from Postmodern Culture:

http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/pmc/issue.195/review-1.195.html

E-text:

http://fido.wps.com/texts/index.html

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/ehn/Web/release/reading-list.html

Page based on "The Western Lands":

http://muon.qrc.com/mdavis/wsb/wsb.html

Chapter on Burroughs as part of Steven Shapiro's "Doom Patrols" book of

"theoretical fiction about postmodernism.":

http://dhalgren.english.washington.edu/~steve/ch10.html

SNYDER:

Intro:

http://sln.fi.edu/river/snyder.html

Poems:

http://www.wnet.org/lol/snyder.html

KESEY:

The Far Gone Interview:

http://www.imv.com/lit/fargone/kesey.htm

The "unofficial" home page of Ken Kesey (Pictures only, so far):

http://www.peak.org/~clapp/kesey/

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Help me barbecue the bugs in this list!

Regards,

bs@AAU

Dept. of Languages and Intercultural Studies

Aalborg University, Denmark

NB! This e-mail address will be inactive from Feb 1 to Aug 1, 1996

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:29:12 +0800

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From: Vincent Yeow Chieh Pang <akir1@SINGNET.COM.SG>

Subject: Diprima

>couple of cassady's kids, one of diprima's daughters (who else on this

>list enjoys diprima -- anything obtainable besides pieces of a song??)

>and some other hapless offspring -- the article was showing the legacy

I enjoyed Diprima's work quite a bit. Especially the ones titled "Three

Laments" & "Poetics" or something to those effect. Which is your fave?

- Vincent -

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:33:54 -0500

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From: Arno Selhorst <uzs405@IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE>

Subject: Re: BeatLit URLs

Hi!

Awesome links there. I just put up my small homepage today and I also

started to gather some more beat links among other literature links. Thx a

lot for submitting yours to the list! I=B4ll try to put them on my homepage

next week. If there are any dead links I=B4ll let you know.

Bye and thanks...

...Arno Selhorst

Ps: For those of you interested. my homepage is

at--->http://ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de/~uzs405/index.html

But lemme repeat: I just put it up today and it=B4s under heavy

construction!!! Levi Asher, I linked your literary kicks homepage to

my homepage, that=B4s ok? I forgot to put in your name though...I=B4ll=

change

that in a few days.

*If freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will have freedom*

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:48:37 -0500

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From: Igor Satanovsky <Isat@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: russian influences

>Ginsberg has certainly been influenced by Russian Poetry, particularly

Mayakovs

ky and Yesenin. He talks about these influences as well as Whitman's

influence

on European poetry in a course he sometimes gives at Brooklyn College on the

story of the Beat Generation. If I remember correctly, there are also some

not

es on these influences in the annotated edition of Howl.

>If I remember correctly, Allan's mother was Russian.

Naomi Ginsberg, Allen's mother was born in Russia. GInsberg was certainly

influenced

by Mayakovsky (See his annotations to Howl). Mayakovsky in his own turn was a

heir of

Whitman in Russian poetry. He was strongly influenced by Russian translations

of Whitman

by Balmont and Chukovsky. I would despute Yesenin influence though. In my

opinion, he and Ginsberg hardly have anything in common.

Although Allen does not know Russian he always's been very interested in

Russian culture and has personally known many leading poets from the Russian

Beat, which is still, basically, unknown to the West. Ginsberg even said once

in our conversation that he identifies himself as a "russian poet in exile".

It was a joke, of course, but it shows poet's interest in his roots.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:43:30 -0500

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From: Gary Gillman <garym@ASTRAL.MAGIC.CA>

Subject: Sterling Lord

Sterling Lord was Jack Kerouac`s literary agent from the early 50`s until

Jack`s death in 1969. I find it odd that (from what I can tell) so little

has been written about Mr. Lord, what he thought of his famous client both

as man and writer, whether his opinions in this respect have changed over

the years, and so forth. Accordingly, does anyone know, first, whether Mr.

Lord is still living; if he is, how old is he ( I would reckon around 75);

has he ever written a reminiscence of Kerouac or of any other Beat writers

he was (is?) associated with? Thanks for any information supplied.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:25:15 -0500

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From: paul a weinfield <pweinfie@INDIANA.EDU>

Comments: To: Beat Net <beat-l%cunyvm.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu>

With all due respect to your wonderful net-site, I am finding myself

inundated with mail and need to unsubscribe from Beat-Net. I've tried to

do this in many different ways and now am looking for a WAY OUT!!!

Please tell me how to unsubscribe successfully.

-- Paul

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:14:37 -0500

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From: Perry Lindstrom <LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>

Subject: OTR Reading

Sorry for my recent absence, my AOL has been acting up and I

hadn't been able to access my mail for a while -- not to mention

hours of shoveling snow. I hope that people who have been

reading OTR on my urging have been getting along well. I haven't

had time to put my thoughts into any coherent form but here are

some ramblings.

Kerouac's contention that OTR is a spiritual book -- first and

foremost -- is borne out in my recent reading. The general lack

of understanding in the press and public at that time of the type

of spirituality he was talking about can certainly be understood

-- much like the misinterpretation of Baudelaire's "Flowers of

Evil" in his time.

Certainly a common evolution both on a literary and a personal

level is to go from a drug-induced quest to a more pure spiritual

quest for enlightenment -- certainly what many of us went through

in the 60s and 70s a la Herman Hesse -- and recent posts on the

subject.

Section 10 of part two, which begins on page 171 of the Penguin

edition, appears to be one of the most important spiritual sections of

the book -- also certainly important in outlining his own

romantic vision and literary agenda. He has "...a whole host of

memories leading back to 1750 in England...," which is the

approximate beginning of the Romantic Era.

The "revolutionary" nature of Kerouac has to always be seen in

the context of the spiritual -- and as spiritual quests are

individual they do not lead to a final political goal. He

certainly makes political comments in the book -- I'm too lazy

right now to gather them together, but they are more in the

nature of asides. What became political was the reaction of

straight (non-Beat) society -- one of the best scenes is when Sal

and Dean are in the back seat and the uptight straights (although

one is gay) are in the front worrying about where they will stay

etc.

America is a nation of non-spiritual people who mistake going to

church on Sunday for connectedness to spiritual being -- any

notion that challenges this is viewed as heretical and

revolutionary -- probably today as much as any time since the

50's -- which is probably why there is a resurgence of Beat

popularity among the rebellious young and the conflicted middle-

agers such as myself.

I remember that someone on the list had said they had seen a

screenplay of OTR that did not include the Mexico section. I

can't imagine that any movie version would leave out Mexico. If

I were to attempt a screenplay I would write that first and work

my way backward using everything else to foreshadow it -- with

the image of the white horse coming out of the night and walking

next to the sleeping body of Dean/Neal as the climax of the

movie. But what do I know -- I hope the final movie is not a big

disappointment.

Happy New Year

Perry Lindstrom

P.S. Next week Howard Park and I start our course at the

Smithsonian, with OTR being the topic of the first night -- we

will no doubt keep the list posted on how things go.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:07:55 -0500

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From: Dennis Kurlas <RIPKURL@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac

You heard true. We attended the JK Conference last year in NYC and Jan and

her followers, (including biographer Gerald Nicosia), were protesting across

the

street because Jan was not invited to speak or be on any conference panel.

The university wanted to keep the conference focused on JK's literary works

and

did not want to get involved with the personal/political friction that is

taking place.

The conference was well attended, over 200 attendees. Jan & her followers

were very vocal and made their presence known throughout the whole conference

including walking tours and panel discussions.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:09:54 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: Re: Black & Beat

Ted,

One more suggestion. There is a book by Al Young called *Things Ain't What

They Used To Be* (Berkeley: Creative Arts, 1987). It is volume three in his

trilogy of "musical memoirs". The final section is called "Jazz and Letters."

It's an excellent discussion among Young, Larry Kart, and Michael S. Harper

about cross-influences among painters, writers and musicians. Highly

recommended.

Best,

Dan B.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:16:26 EST

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From: Sara Ellefson <Sara_Ellefson_at_PO.CHI08@SMTPLINK.INFORES.COM>

Subject: How to get off . . .

You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF BEAT-L"

command to LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (or LISTSERV@CUNYVM.BITNET).

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 09:57:53 -0600

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From: Todd Bauer <dbe345@LULU.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Spit In The Ocean

In-Reply-To: <BEAT-L%96011614314182@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> from "Bill Gargan" at Jan

16, 96 02:29:06 pm

Yeah there was no issue #7, I've talked with Ken Babbs and it ceased due to a

lack of interest and funding. All six published issues can be purchased from

Key-z productions.>

> On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:48:35 EST Mark Fisher said:

> > This literary journal published by Ken Kesey in the late 70's, was

> > supposed to have 7 issues. To my knowledge, publication ceased after

> > the special Neal Cassady Issue #6. Does anyone know if issue #7 was

> > ever released and if not, why the project was dropped?

> This is also my understanding. The Brooklyn College library lists volumes

1-6.

> Don't know what happened to number 7. Suspect it wasn't completed.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 14:39:17 EST

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From: Peter McGahey <PRM95003@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>

Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac (fwd)

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From: Dennis Kurlas <RIPKURL@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac

To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM>

You heard true. We attended the JK Conference last year in NYC and Jan and

her followers, (including biographer Gerald Nicosia), were protesting across

the

street because Jan was not invited to speak or be on any conference panel.

The university wanted to keep the conference focused on JK's literary works

and

did not want to get involved with the personal/political friction that is

taking place.

The conference was well attended, over 200 attendees. Jan & her followers

were very vocal and made their presence known throughout the whole conference

including walking tours and panel discussions.

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I don't see any reason why Jan should be invited to attend a conference on

her father. She only met the man for about fifteen minutes of his life

and isn't any kind of scholar.

Does anyone agree/disagree? Should she be there?

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:15:55 -0800

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From: Ralph Virgo <rvirgo@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac (fwd)

You wrote:

>----------------------------Original

message----------------------------

>From: Dennis Kurlas <RIPKURL@AOL.COM>

>Subject: Re: Jan Kerouac

>To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM>

>You heard true. We attended the JK Conference last year in NYC and

Jan and

>her followers, (including biographer Gerald Nicosia), were protesting

across

>the

>street because Jan was not invited to speak or be on any conference

panel.

>The university wanted to keep the conference focused on JK's literary

works

>and

>did not want to get involved with the personal/political friction that

>taking place.

>The conference was well attended, over 200 attendees. Jan & her

followers

>were very vocal and made their presence known throughout the whole

conference

>including walking tours and panel discussions.

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>I don't see any reason why Jan should be invited to attend a

conference on

>her father. She only met the man for about fifteen minutes of his

life

>and isn't any kind of scholar.

>Does anyone agree/disagree? Should she be there?

The issue was not "was she invited to attend." No one needs an

invitation to attend; it was an open-to-the-public conference.

The issue, and a very real one, is that she was not allowed to

participate on panels.

I, for one, think that she definitely should have been included on

panels.

She is in fact a scholar as far as regards her father's work. She has

presented numerous times, and knows much about his writing. Granted,

she is not a formal scholar, as in having an academic appointment. But

then, neither are Ray Bremster, Lee Renaldo, Andy Clausen, nor a number

of other panel members formal scholars.

Jan was excluded from the conference because she wanted to talk about

her and Gerry Nicosia's efforts to have her father's collected papers

kept intact and placed in a library. The benefit to me, you, and other

people interested in his writing is that the work would be available to

all for research purposes.

You may want to check out Jan's Open Letter to NYU, as reprinted in

Inside the Kerouac Legacy

(http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/Topics/IKL.html)

Ralph Virgo

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:23:39 +0800

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From: Frank Stevenson <t22001@SUN3.CC.NTNU.EDU.TW>

Subject: Re: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg spotted

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In-Reply-To: <30D9CE61@sdcwinb.daytonoh.attgis.com>

tanks mon....of course 'tis so, as i'm a potate in disguise and can