will
contemn the hot-blooded lifelover with their cold papers on a desk
because
they have no blood and therefore have no sin?
No! They sin by
lifelessness!They
are the ogres of Law entering the holy realm of Sin1
Ah,
I've got to explain myself without essays and poems-Cody had a wife
whom he
really loved, and three kids he really loved, and a good job on
the
railroad. But when the sun went down
his blood got hot:- hot for old
lovers
like Joanna, for old pleasure like marijuana and talk, for jazz, for
the
gayety that any respectable American wants in a life growing more
arid by
the year in Law Riddenh America. But he
did not hide his desire
and cry
DRY! He went all out. He filled hgis car with friends and booze
and pot
and batted around looking for ecstasy like some fieldworker on a
Saturday
night in Georgia when the moon cools the still and guitars are
twangin
down the hill. he came from sturdy
Missouri stock that walked on
strong
feet. We've all seen him kneel SWEATING
praying to God!"
Jack
Kerouac describing Neal Cassady in "Desolation Angels"
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On Thu,
15 Feb 1996, Peter McGahey wrote:
>
How many people out there have read any books by the Beats besides On the
>
Road or Naked Lunch?
>
I Have.
Only
one though, "Desolation Angels", but im just beginning (at 18) to
get
truly fascinated with the Beats.
-matt
sackmann
"Ah
yes, maybe I'm wrong and all the Christian, Islamic, Neo Platonist,
Buddhist,
Hindu, and Zen Mystics of the world were wrong about the
transcendental
mystery of existence but I don't think so- Like the thirty
birds
who reached God and saw themselves reflected in His Mirror. the
thirty
Dirty Birds, those 970 of us birds who never made it across the
Valley
of Divine Illumination did really make it anyway in Perfection- So
now let
me explain about poor Cody, even though I've already told most of
his
story. he is a BELIEVER in life and he
WANTS to go to Heaven but
because
he loves life so he embraces it so much he thinks he sins and
will
never seeHeaven- He was a Catholic altar boy as I say even when he
was
bumming dimes for his hopeless father hiding in alleys. You could
have
ten thousand cold eyed Materialistic officials claim they love life
too but
can never embrace it so near sin and also never see Heaven- They
will
contemn the hot-blooded lifelover with their cold papers on a desk
because
they have no blood and therefore have no sin?
No! They sin by
lifelessness!They
are the ogres of Law entering the holy realm of Sin1
Ah,
I've got to explain myself without essays and poems-Cody had a wife
whom he
really loved, and three kids he really loved, and a good job on
the
railroad. But when the sun went down
his blood got hot:- hot for old
lovers
like Joanna, for old pleasure like marijuana and talk, for jazz, for
the
gayety that any respectable American wants in a life growing more
arid by
the year in Law Riddenh America. But he
did not hide his desire
and cry
DRY! He went all out. He filled hgis car with friends and booze
and pot
and batted around looking for ecstasy like some fieldworker on a
Saturday
night in Georgia when the moon cools the still and guitars are
twangin
down the hill. he came from sturdy
Missouri stock that walked on
strong
feet. We've all seen him kneel SWEATING
praying to God!"
Jack
Kerouac describing Neal Cassady in "Desolation Angels"
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An odd
question but I've read just about all of Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burrough
s and
most of what's been written about them.
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On Thu,
15 Feb 1996 14:41:39 -0500 Paul McDonald - Bon Air Branch said:
>I've
found it interesting to read Kerouac, particularly "Dharma Bums" and
"On
>The
Road" out loud. The prose has a
definite jazz quality, sort of like the
>heart
doing a saxophone cadenza. I've had the
impression that the period of
>"Dharma
Bums" could very well have been the happiest time for Kerouac. He and
>Snyder
lived in the mountains with no communication with the outside world,
>(and
no booze for that matter) both of them alone with pen and paper, totally
>in
their element.
>
>I
have read and re-read Ginsberg's "Plutonian Ode" and, again, reading
it out
>loud,
and maybe playing Peter Gabriel's "Passion" in the background, brings
it
>to
life. It's a poem that transcends
nuclear protest to a work of
>epic/mythological
proportions.
>
>One
of my favorite Beat poems has got to be Gregory Corso's
"Marriage." He
>was
here in Louisville, KY in '93 and he read that one. I think a
>friend
of mine recorded it on video.
>
>I
saw Jim Carroll recently in Lexington and, even though he is not classed with
>the
original Beats, his books, particularly "Basketball Diaries" and
"Forced
>Entries"
have that same immediancy of the moment.
I
agree. I think PO is first rate work
and one of Ginsberg's most underrated p
oems. It deserves careful reading.
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On Thu,
15 Feb 1996, Noah Bergman wrote:
>
Now, I don't know if I even agree with this, but... was Kerouac really a
>
very interesting person? His writing
skills were amazing and his depth
> of
thought on a lot of subject was very deep, but just think about
>
something. Most of his books were about
past adventures with a main
>
character other than himself. It seems
that when he was by himself
>
without a Neal Cassidy or Gary Snyder to push him along he resorted to
>
drinking to pass the time. Don't take
this as an attack on Kerouac, he's
>
one of my heroes. I just think that you
have to at least take a glance
> at
both sides of your heroes too.
Kerouac
of the books and Kerouac the real man are two very different
constructs...
In
"Jack Kerouac: Statement in Brown" Joy Walsh has some interesting
comments
that touch upon this topic. Walsh feels that one can gain
insights
into Kerouac's writing by dissociating him from the group of
Beat
Generation writers and looking at him in other contexts. This ties
in with
her perception of Kerouac as always distancing himself from the
events
he describes in his books. A quote: Kerouac removed himself from
the
Beats, but was "part of the gang as an observer, rather than a
participant"
(p. 50). Further: "any content analysis conclusion
concerning
the character or inner motivation of the personae presented as
representations
of Kerouac [...] is almost impossible until we reach
Vanity
of Duluoz" (p. 51)
In
another essay in the same book, Walsh discusses when Kerouac
interjects
himself into his fiction using a certain leitmotif on many
occasions:
"Kerouac's role or presence or much that pertained to him
personally
was introduced by use of a leitmotif. The basic theme [...]
which
announces Kerouac's presence in parts of the canon is the color
Brown
(p.41)
Has
anyone noticed this leitmotif or other recurrent textual markers in
the
Kerouac canon?
Regards,
Bent
Sorensen
Visiting
Grad. Student, Dept. of English, UBC
Ph.D.
Student, Aalborg University, Denmark
<http://hum.auc.dk/i12/org/medarb/bent.dk>
OR <.../bent.uk>
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From: "Gary M. Gillman"
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Subject: Kerouac again
Following
up on Bill`s post, I`d like to say that I`ve also read almost all
of
Kerouac and what`s been written about him. I feel one can best understand
him if
one has done so, so I urge all Beat enthusiasts to read as much
Kerouac
(including his poetry) as possible (and re-read him). While one`s
appreciation
of any author is enhanced by reading his full oeuvre, this is
particularly
true with Kerouac, whose works were intended as a series of
autobiographical,
linked episodes - The Duluoz Legend. Sorry, but I`m on the
side of
those who cannot look at his works in isolation from the lives of
those
depicted in them. Jack shouted over a thousand scarred bartops that
his
books were "true life stories": his insistence on spontaneous
composition
only underscores this. But this doesn`t diminish the books as
literature
- remember, Jack was by definiton trying to create a new American
prose
form - he wanted to, and did, escape the bounds of the European idea
of the
novel. So, judge him by his declared (and revealed) artistic
purposes.
And who cares what Truman Capote thought, or John Updike (the
latter
has started to change his tune, by the way, saying recently that
Kerouac`s
books emphasize "a certain flow" - the literary understatement of
the
century, surely!). We who study Jack and the other Beats must try to
have
the same confidence on the critical level which Jack always
demonstrated
as an artist. Of course, his fight was a much tougher go than
ours
will ever be. He was much damaged by having to cope with the
unthinking,
often jealous, reactions of the Capotes, Podhoretz` and the
rest.
As JCH wrote of Jack, he was incapable of dealing with the world and
its
politics. Jack pointed this out himself in one of his Beat essays when
he said
he was famous on his block as a kid for trying to stop his chums
from
roasting snakes in tin cans and blowing up frogs with straws. Guess
that
was just more typing to Mr. Truman Capote, Novelist...
Gary M.
Gillman
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Subject: Dharma Bums (was Re: Books)
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I just
finished Dharma Bums for a class and it was the Kerouac book I
enjoyed
the most. We read of JK's books, OTR,
Subterraneans, and Dharma
Bums. While I enjoyed all three and got a lot out
of them, I think I
identifired
more with Ray in Dharma Bums than either Sal or Leo. This is
my
first time reading these books, so maybe that will change with looking
at them
some more.
scott
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Subject: Gallery Six
Here's
just a question of semantics, but it is something I've been
wanting
to know...
About
the Gallery Six poetry reading, I've seen is named both Gallery Six
and Six
Gallery. What's up with that? Anyone know?
scott
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From: "W. Luther Jett"
<MagenDror@AOL.COM>
Subject: re WSB Naked Lunch
>Also,
I Believe, Call Me Burroughs is now available on CD, >does anyone have
a track
listing of this recording, I know that >it was recorded in the
sixties,
possibly in Paris by >Sommerville?
"Call
Me Burroughs" is available on CD or cassette from Rhino/WordBeat (R2/R4
71848).
The original recording was indeed made by Ian Sommerville, in Paris,
and was
first issued by the English Bookshop (Paris) in June, 1965. It was
later
released in the US by ESP-Disk, NYC, 1966.
Tracks
are: Bradley the Buyer; Meeting of International Conference of
Technological
Psychiatry; The Fish Poison Con; Thing Police Keep All Board
Room
Reports; Mr. Bradley Mr. Martin Hear Us Through The Hole In Thin Air;
Where
you Belong; Inflexible Authority; and, Ukranian Willy.
Much of
the material was composed using cut-up techniques, and it is all
delivered
in Burroughs' wonderfully dead-pan, carnival-barker style.
Luther
Jett
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Subject: Re: Books, poems, etc...
On Feb
15, 1996 17:14:43, 'Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>' wrote:
>I
have read and re-read Ginsberg's "Plutonian Ode" and, again, reading
it
out
>>loud,
and maybe playing Peter Gabriel's "Passion" in the background,
I saw
Ginsberg read from a hand-written copy of "Plutonium Ode" in Dallas
in '75.
I also somehow ended up with a copy of the hand-written version.
Does
anyone know if such a thing would be valuable or even interesting to a
collector
or curator??
Mark J
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Subject: Re: wsb and black rider
On Feb
15, 1996 14:47:54, '"col. it's steve" <VOSHEA@DIT.IE>' wrote:
>the
black rider is an album by tom waits and burroughs appears on a couple
of
It was
actually an opera performed live at Brooklyn Academy of Music a few
years
ago. The album is the soundtrack.
Mark J
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Subject: Re: No Subject
On Feb
15, 1996 15:27:18, 'Chanda J Pearmon <cjpearmo@MHC.MTHOLYOKE.EDU>'
wrote:
>I
love to immulate the beats
Is that
"immolate" or "emulate"?
Mark J
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Subject: Re: beat writers, current status (fwd)
On Feb
15, 1996 13:06:48, 'Christopher Teggatz <Teggatz@AOL.COM>' wrote:
>I
asked the hotel owner, an old Englishman named John
>Sutcliffe,
if he heard from any of the Beats any more.
>"Yes,
he said, Burroughs stayed here two weeks ago. "
>I
could have cried, I was so close. Of course, Sutcliffe claimed it was no
>loss--"All
those writers were terribly dull," he said. I don't believe it
I went
to school with a John Sutcliffe at Kenyon in the 60's. His father,
Denholm,
was chairman of the English dept there for years. Please describe
him
(private email) if you can. He would be about 50, tall and large-boned
with
what I can only call a thin head relative to his body. Am I way off
here or
what?
Mark J
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On Feb
15, 1996 13:11:11, 'Noah Bergman <x95vyk@JULIET.STFX.CA>' wrote:
>Also,
I'd like to start a discussion on Gary Snyder.
What would people
>in
the know recommend of his. I've read some
of his work and find it
>exquisite
(something in "Civilization" speaks to me).
I have
followed Gary Snyder's work for many years (about 30, last count)
and
have been to readings of his and met him once (1970). His best work I
feel
was written in the 60's and early 70's (Riprap, Cold Mountain Poems
translation,
The Back Country, Mountains and Rivers Without End, Earth
Household,
Myths & Texts, Regarding Wave, and maybe Turtle Island. As for
critical
works about him, Gary Snyder by Bob Steuding, published by Twayne,
a
division of G. K. Hall & Co., Boston, 1976 is the only one I have read,
but it
is fairly complete and competent for it's time. Snyder is perhaps
the
most scholarly of the beats, having obtained a doctorate, studied Zen
in
Japan, and done much criticism as well as taught extensively. There was
a
recent series narrated by Bill Moyers about living poets and the episode
on
Snyder was quite moving. It aired on PBS a few months ago.
Mark J
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Subject: Re: Kerouac's Football Career
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Toby,
Hi. My Name is Nate and I have done a
lot of reading on the
Beats
to say the least. The best account of
Kerouac's career ending
injury
is given in the biography titled, Memory Babe.
I am not to sure
who
wrote it, but I think that it was Ann Charters, but I wouldn't bet my
life on
it. I believe that Tom Clark also
mentions something about it
in his
biography as well. Check the first one
first, it is a superior
record
of Jack's life, that cuts out all the myth and legend, and still
makes
for a very good read.
later
nate
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Subject: fucked up on rugs (fwd)
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From: "col. it's steve"
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Subject: fucked up on rugs
i don't
think the beats got fucked up (ok there's always casualties) on drugs
they
used them to get high, to change perception to just go,go,go.
its when they become a lifestyle
that
they become a problem -"fucked up"- thing.
I don't
think
its fair to say they got fucked up (not all of them anyway)..
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Remember
- Bill shot his wife in the head and had to flee several countries
and
states because of his drug habit. He
also went on a safari to find
Yage. I think that would qualify as a drug problem
with the DEA.
Does
anyone else find it at all ironic that the Beats who chose alcohol
died so
quickly and those who favored the "hard stuff" just seem to
be
immortal?
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*
*
I just
wanted to ask if anybody else feels Dharma Bums rivals On the Road
for
quality. It may have just been the
state of mind I was in when I
read
it, but I found Dharma Bums to be much more clearly written. I
think
in On the Road Kerouac was still rough in his transitions from
traditional
to spontaneous prose. Dharma Bums is
much more smooth in
terms
of how it is more difficult to diffuse the spontaneous from the
pre-thought.
Also,
I'd like to start a discussion on Gary Snyder. What would people
in the
know recommend of his. I've read some
of his work and find it
exquisite
(something in "Civilization" speaks to me).
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*
**
I've read DB twice and enjoyed it
immensely both times. I think it is
less
driven
than OTR,
more
meditative--the difference between Neil & Gary basically. I agree with you
that
it's clearer
than
OTR, but perhaps less poetic. Or maybe
its poetry is more that of the
haiku
(a form
which
Kerouac & Snyder have a lot of fun with in the book) while OTR is more
free-flowing
great
jazzy romantic strophes. (Go, go, go.)
BTW Gary Snyder has said in interviews
(and perhaps somewhere in print?)
that
he does
not consider DB to be on a par with OTR-- but I don't recall him
elaborating.
I think Snyder's best work can be found in
*Turtle Island* and *Regarding
Wave*.
Also
I'm very fond of *Riprap and Cold Mountain Poems*, an early work.
" The world's like an endless
Four-dimensional
Game of
GO."
--Riprap
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From:
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Subject: WSB Questions
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Hello
all:
>To
save some bandwith, let me pose the one I am most interested
>in
having aswere: between his Harvard
schooling, and travels (exiles)
>in
a myriad of countries, did WSB speak/read/write any language
>other
than english?? He intended to study
medicine in Vienna
>(and,
according to Morgan, could read "some" German)
>and
quotes himself using spanish words throughout _Junky_,
>but
otherwise there are no allusions to his foreign
>language
abilities.
>Bill
Jr. makes fun of his old man's French (I think?) in
>_Kentucky
Ham_ (if I recall correctly), but I wonder how
>substantiated
this may be.
WSB
certainly has rich knowledge of several
languages, but I question
his
ability to speak them with any fluency.
Or maybe I should say his DESIRE
to
speak them with any fluency, since the man doesn't even seem to try. His
spoken
German
and Spanish
are hilariously bad.
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Subject: wsb and black rider
>the
black rider is an album by tom waits and burroughs appears on a couple of
>tracks,
they're very good.If waits is doing the roswell opera it should prove
>interesting.Waits'
earlier work is influenced by the beats and well worth
>checking
out esp. closing time, the heart of saturday night and blue valentine.
I would
enthusiastically second the recommendations, adding *Rain Dogs* and
*Frank's
Wild
Years* to the list. The beat influence
on Waits is unmistakable, and Waits
+
Burroughs is a great synergy.
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Subject: Re: fucked up on rugs (fwd)
>----------------------------Original
message----------------------------
>From: "col. it's steve"
<VOSHEA@DIT.IE>
>Subject: fucked up on rugs
>
>i
don't think the beats got fucked up (ok there's always casualties) on drugs
>they
used them to get high, to change perception to just go,go,go.
>
>
its when they become a lifestyle
>that
they become a problem -"fucked up"- thing.
>
I don't
>think
its fair to say they got fucked up (not all of them anyway)..
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Remember
- Bill shot his wife in the head and had to flee several countries
>and
states because of his drug habit. He
also went on a safari to find
>Yage. I think that would qualify as a drug problem
with the DEA.
Granted,
Bill was a junkie (hence the name of his book). Bill and Huncke are
the
exceptions. To clarify, the search for yage was a purely spiritual
quest.
Bill was the scientist here (or pseudo-scientist as I am sure he
would
prefer to be called). It (the long search) was not part of his junk
problem
(if indeed he saw it as a problem - "Junk is a way of life").
>
>Does
anyone else find it at all ironic that the Beats who chose alcohol
>died
so quickly and those who favored the "hard stuff" just seem to
>be
immortal?
>
Also
illuminatory. Alcohol is a thoroughly horrible drug.
Alan
Maddrell - who wishes he could be fucked on rugs so he wouldn't have to
be
fucked on drugs...:)
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From: M D Fascione
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Subject: Re: beat writers, current status (fwd)
Two
years ago I was in Tangier, staying at the Tanger Inn room 9 (where NAKED
LUNCH
was written). I asked the hotel owner, an old Englishman named John
Sutcliffe,
if he heard from any of the Beats any more.
"Yes,
he said, Burroughs stayed here two weeks ago. "
I could
have cried, I was so close. Of course, Sutcliffe claimed it was no
loss--"All
those writers were terribly dull," he said. I don't believe it.
Christopher
Miezio-Teggatz
I
stayed in the same place, Hotel Muniria in 93 and remember John well.
How did
you manage to stay in room 9, that was John's room! He told me
that
Cronenborg (sp) had recently visited to take photos for the Naked
Lunch
sets for his movie, which was eventually shot in Canada....the
Tanger
Inn was a great place for a chilled beer in the evening.....happy
memories
Daniel
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Subject: Re: beat writers, current status (fwd)
>loss--"All
those writers were terribly dull," he said. I don't believe it
I went
to school with a John Sutcliffe at Kenyon in the 60's. His father,
Denholm,
was chairman of the English dept there for years. Please describe
him
(private email) if you can. He would be about 50, tall and large-boned
with
what I can only call a thin head relative to his body. Am I way off
here or
what?
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I
remember that John Sutcliffe had his own novel for sale down in the
Tanger
Inn, though they had sold out and had only the copy on display
which
wasn't for sale. Anyone read this, or remember what it's called?
Daniel
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Subject: Re: movers and shakers
In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:30:55 -0800
from
<sbent@UNIXG.UBC.CA>
On Thu,
15 Feb 1996 14:30:55 -0800 bs@UBC said:
>On
Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Noah Bergman wrote:
>
>>
Now, I don't know if I even agree with this, but... was Kerouac really a
>>
very interesting person? His writing
skills were amazing and his depth
>>
of thought on a lot of subject was very deep, but just think about
>>
something. Most of his books were about
past adventures with a main
>>
character other than himself. It seems
that when he was by himself
>>
without a Neal Cassidy or Gary Snyder to push him along he resorted to
>>
drinking to pass the time. Don't take
this as an attack on Kerouac, he's
>>
one of my heroes. I just think that you
have to at least take a glance
>>
at both sides of your heroes too.
>
>Kerouac
of the books and Kerouac the real man are two very different
>constructs...
>
>In
"Jack Kerouac: Statement in Brown" Joy Walsh has some interesting
>comments
that touch upon this topic. Walsh feels that one can gain
>insights
into Kerouac's writing by dissociating him from the group of
>Beat
Generation writers and looking at him in other contexts. This ties
>in
with her perception of Kerouac as always distancing himself from the
>events
he describes in his books. A quote: Kerouac removed himself from
>the
Beats, but was "part of the gang as an observer, rather than a
>participant"
(p. 50). Further: "any content analysis conclusion
>concerning
the character or inner motivation of the personae presented as
>representations
of Kerouac [...] is almost impossible until we reach
>Vanity
of Duluoz" (p. 51)
>
>In
another essay in the same book, Walsh discusses when Kerouac
>interjects
himself into his fiction using a certain leitmotif on many
>occasions:
"Kerouac's role or presence or much that pertained to him
>personally
was introduced by use of a leitmotif. The basic theme [...]
>which
announces Kerouac's presence in parts of the canon is the color
>Brown
(p.41)
>
>Has
anyone noticed this leitmotif or other recurrent textual markers in
>the
Kerouac canon?
>
>Regards,
>
>Bent
Sorensen
>Visiting
Grad. Student, Dept. of English, UBC
>Ph.D.
Student, Aalborg University, Denmark
><http://hum.auc.dk/i12/org/medarb/bent.dk>
OR <.../bent.uk>
Yes,
Joy as usual is right on target. Anyone
in touch with Joy? Wish we could
get her
to join this list.
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Subject: Re: Kerouac's Football Career
In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:30:50 -0500
from <JMkill@AOL.COM>
On Thu,
15 Feb 1996 22:30:50 -0500 J. Killin said:
>---------------------
>Forwarded
message:
>From: BREWERNC@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
>To: JMkill@aol.com
>Date:
96-02-15 21:13:53 EST
>
>Toby,
>
> Hi. My Name is Nate and I have done a
lot of reading on the
>Beats
to say the least. The best account of
Kerouac's career ending
>injury
is given in the biography titled, Memory Babe.
I am not to sure
>who
wrote it, but I think that it was Ann Charters, but I wouldn't bet my
>life
on it. I believe that Tom Clark also
mentions something about it
>in
his biography as well. Check the first
one first, it is a superior
>record
of Jack's life, that cuts out all the myth and legend, and still
>makes
for a very good read.
>
>later
>nate
Big
mistake! You'll get into a lot of
trouble saying Ann Charters wrote Memory
Babe. Gerry Nicosia wrote Memory Babe. Ann Charters wrote Kerouac, the first
biography.
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Kerouac...an obnoxious fellow?
Jack
Kerouac was an alcoholic.
Alcoholism
is a disease.
That
does not excuse anything he did.
Based
on his writing I will always believe his core, his soul was a thing of
beauty. And I believe that part of the essence of
"beat" was a way for all
of us
to see and express the beauty within.
No perfect, but beautiful -- and
what a
gift he had to express it. Thanks
Jack. Thanks to all great artists.
Howard
Park
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From: "joe@bullet.sware.com"
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Subject: accusatory mindfucking stare
the
list has mentioned kerouac's bitterness in last chapter of his life, and in
particular
the last few books he wrote.
it
brought back a conversation i'd read between kerouac & c.jarvis about neals
death,
specifically other writers who'd written about neal...
"do
you feel any resentment against tom wolfe, or even ken kesey who obviously
became
neal cassady's buddy?"
kerouac
threw me the accusatory mindfucking stare again.
"i'm
too old to resent anybody -- you diabolical professor, you."
he
smiled faintly.
"but
even if i weren't too old, and even if this were a few years back, i could
bear no
grudge against any man."
joe
##########################################################################
it no
longer makes me cry and die and tear myself to see her go because
everything
goes away from me like that now - girls, visions, anything, just in
the
same way and forever and i accept lostness forever.
everything
belongs to me because i am poor.
- jk:voc
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From: Christopher Teggatz
<Teggatz@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: fucked up on rugs
Two
thoughts on the drugs line...
First,
Jazz players were often associated with drug lifestyle (just as there
is
little doubt that the Smashing Pumpkins use heroin...and don't get me
wrong,
MELLON COLLIE is fabulous) and just as kids today emulate the fucked
up
Seattle grunge rockers, so too did the Beats want to emulate certain
aspects
of the jazz lifestyle.
Second,
Tangier (the literary capital of the 50s, just as Paris was for the
Lost
Generation) at the time was like Amsterdam today--drugs were widely
available
and legal and "everyone was doing it"--again, lifestyle (visit
Amsterdam
and you'll see what I mean). Indeed, the Beats esp. Burroughs came
to
Tangier precisely to get drugs (and for the relaxed attitude toward
homosexuality).
Though
yes, I think they did drugs to "go
go go" and expand consciousness,
it
seems to me that drugs were very much a part of who the Beats *were.*
e.g.,
Paul Bowles liked to write while stoned on majoun (sp?) and the death
chapters
of SHELTERING SHY are a drug-induced masterwork--and could he have
written
it without drugs? The same goes for NAKED LUNCH--a sober WSB just
couldn't
have written it. I don't think this in any way derides the Beats,
But to
look at Beat writing without the
context of drugs (incl. alcohol) and
the
drug lifestyle is like studying the Lost Generation and ignoring the
consequences
of WWI, or misunderstanding who "the man" is with Lou Reed.
or am I
way off? Is there any literature on the topic?
Chris
Teggatz
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Subject: Re: John Sutcliffe
Yes,
Sutcliffe has his own novel for sale--I purchased an autographed copy.
Unfortunately
I can't find it in my bookcase, but if memory serves correct,
it's
called "The Secret Pilgrim." It was my reading during the long flight
home
from Tangier, and it wasn't very good. I got the impression that
Sutcliffe
was just doing the fashionable thing at
the time--i.e., all the
expats
in Tangier were writing.
Chris
Teggatz
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Subject: Paul Bowles
Please
forgive me if I'm treading on old gound, but do you consider Bowles I
Beat?
An atypical Beat I admit--an especially atypical Beat in terms of
style--but
where else can you place him? Particularly in terms of lifestyle,
he is
Beat all the way, and he certainly can't be lumped together with his
other
American contemporaries like Salinger and Cheever.
I make
a point of reading Bowles's LET IT COME DOWN once a year, and every
time it
thrills me.
Chris
Teggatz
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From: Nick Weir-Williams
<nweir-w@NWU.EDU>
Subject: Cassady and the Grateful Dead
This
came from another list - thought you would all enjoy this.
>>
>>
The following is Cassady rapping with the Dead at the Straight
>>
Theatre, 7/67. It's from a flexi-disk
that came with the book (I
>>
think) "Dead Days- A Social History of the Grateful Dead" by Hank
>>
Harrison (again, I don't have it with me so I'm not sure.)
>>
>>
Some of it I can't understand, he mumbles a lot of words and
>>
creates a few of his own I think. The Dead are playing what sounds
>>
like the beginning of Lovelight over and over with Neil throwing in
>>
a few ummp's and haaaarrr's occaisionally, just weird sounds and
>>
a lot breathing into the mic. Except for when he stops to let the
>>
band play he is speaking as if he's reading it all from a book; he
>>
sounds a little bit like an unpretentious Jim Morrison.
>>
>>
(Jerry intros Neil)
>>
Neil Cassady. Neil cassady.
>>
>>
(Neil)
>>
I got the penguin right here in my pocket <loud drums and
>>
guitars/Neil mumbling something> -four fingers, ya know, it's just
>>
the claw and me, three inches, bigger than- and
>>
I said, of course, in the Metro, as they, but it hides my thumb and
>>
lso reveals my Greek torso, huh... At 49th, I said, Spence?
>>
haven't seen him since 51st he said move two, 49th, huh. Nope, move
>>
to 51st. <more mumbles/band begins playing> The waiter in 56th beat
>>
the 6 seeds he had, seed law in marijuana, the only ratting I ever
>>
did... And now marijuana, oooo! I was saying in the- ya alright in
>>
there, (taps on the mic) on the wall, Mr Cassady? I only got twenty
>>
years on ya... I knew I shoulda worn more paisley. I double-crossed
>>
him- no, the son of the mAN is about to bounce the podiUM. Rimsby
>>
was impressed in a short drive, huh, I said I'm serious about
>>
America DeMarco, Greg, at the, uh, last year, ya know, we arrived
>>
it from time. <Lovelight-ish jam> Double-parkin' winamarker(?)
>>
speeder and derns(?) six days it was finally she grabbed the, of
>>
course, Vics vapor rub, it's in the vaseline, that's what ended it.
>>
My first child, forty, uh, two then, Charlie Valensia, on tempo(?)
>>
where we had an acid test, but thirteenfifty, his father, half
>>
Mexican half Irish like Anthony Quinn, so he loved me, ya know,
>>
that was a triumph-pf-of us, the only tree-way I ever had,
>>
Kerouac's not queer, but my present wife, the fourth, and he, it
>>
was just, NewYear's Eve, sort of, uh, we was always looking for a
>>
colored girl, Carol Ashty(?), finally found her, that was the last
>>
time I committed suicide, I knew toward the fourth sign, across the
>>
Hudson, get across this looong Missooouri that preacher said
>>
<mumble> or I didn't see it, move ooon. Ummm, ha-h-haa (to
>>
Lovelight.) -menopausal, don't ask me how, twenty years I fell ten
>>
on the railroad and ten more for, uh, and, uh, I'll be dead a
>>
thousand years see, so, if I don't do right now, right in it- Reb
>>
Barker the same acid test then, use to be Al Collins all fat and
>>
sassy, you know, but he was all skinny and dressed in a, uh, you
>>
can work yourself inta anything, how'd he get outta it? Six days,
>>
uh, six glasses a day pretty soon your system demands it thousand
>>
days Orabindo(?) says you've had it old joe alcoholic, you know, we
>>
used to drink together, but he went drinking. <mumbling> (music is
>>
turned up a bit/Neil still mumbling random words) -a German
>>
pornograpghy... Uummmbbuuuyyyyyy... He stay offer thou wake to
>>
wake(?,) oh, the name of that Christ don't call on that I said
>>
that's another, huh, then the next day November 1st is all souls,
>>
all saints. <music> Huhuhu. <skat-singing> He did nothin' I did
>>
nothin', and finally there's nothin', there wudn't nothin' he
>>
wouldn't do for me and nothin' I wouldn't do for him but we sat
>>
around all time doin' nothin'! Twentymilesanhourthe great four
>>
wheel drift he, uh, adjusting his goggles, ya know, everybody in
>>
the audience with their right foot but I can't heel and toe I'm
>>
double left, huh, Dooom-dee-dee-umm, dee-
>>
>>
It's all about 5 minutes, but really funny; immpossible to
>>
reproduce the rhythm in his voice, the nuances.
>>
>>
Brian
>>
>
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Subject: JK/Beat recordings Discography
My
friend, Stephen Ronan, is in the very final stages of publishing what
should
be the definitive discography of recordings by Beat writers. It will
be
titled "Discs of the Gone World, An Annotated Discography oif the Beat
Generation
(With a Checklist of Unreleased Recordings).
Stephen
(who is not online) describes it: "Available for the first time
anywhere
a comprehensive guide to the jazz poetry, literary arts and humor of
the
Beats and thier fellow travelers. From
the most subterranean ephemera to
the
major reissue boxes of the nineties, all pertinent is examined and
described
in detail. Features: All individual
releases on LP, cassette, & CD
of Beat
audio culture, a compilation of unreleased tapes explaining what they
include,
and a seperate listing of all Beat homage releases."
It will
be priced at $20 available from:
(ask
for more info or make checks payable to Stephen Ronan and add a buck or
two for
postage and tell him I sent ya!)
Beat
Books
P. O.
Box 5813
Berkeley,
CA 94705
I'm
sorry if anyone is offended by this posting, but with all the discussion
about
recordings and confusion, I thought this would be a service to many on
the
list.
Howard
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From: "L.Kelly"
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Subject: New NL CD
For
those of you who have asked, the new Naked Lunch CD published
by
TimeWarner IS READ BY WSB.
It is
three hours long, and although it isn't NL word for word
from
any particular edition, it is great.
Regards
Luke
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From: Dan Lauffer <DanLauff@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: fucked up on rugs
In a
message dated 96-02-16 11:49:24 EST, you write:
>Second,
Tangier (the literary capital of the 50s, just as Paris was for the
>Lost
Generation) at the time was like Amsterdam today--drugs were widely
>a
I've
read the Michelle Green 'Dream at the End of the World' and 'Joujoka
Rolling
Stone', but the convergence of WSB, m/M Bowles, Ansen & Chester does
not
really constitute a "Literary Capital". Were there others of note?
<<I'm
with you in Rockland>>
Dan
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From: Meredith Blackmann <BoomShenka@AOL.COM>
Subject: beats exhibit
just a
note: there's a beat exhibit going on
at the whitney museum in NYC.
i don't know the exact dates it's
running. it's also traveling around the
country.
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From: Carl A Biancucci
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Subject: In THEIR humble opinion
Comments:
To: BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@uunet.uu.net
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.SOL.3.91.960214145630.6916A-100000@sleepy> from
"L.Kelly"
at Feb 14, 96 03:14:15 pm
Hello,all...
Just
picked myself up a copy of John Clellon Holmes'
'Displaced
Person' at a used bookstore in Portland,Maine,and
just
HAD to tell someone!
With
that said,I had a question or two...
1.Hemingway-
Anyone know if he had particular opinions of the
beat writers/writings?
2.Kerouac-
Did
Jack have any opinions on the writings of J.D.Salinger?
I truly
enjoy the discussions on this list.
Best,
Carl
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Subject: Re: beats exhibit
The
Beat exhibit at the Whitney in NYC is over now. It will open in
Minneapolis
again in late spring.
Howard
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From: Mat Awad
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Subject: dumb maggie?
Just a
quick question for all you learned folks. In *Maggie Cassidy*, why
she
does not attend Lowell High with Jack. Why not? Pauline says
something
to the effect that she isn't smart enough, but I'm not sure
MC2
should be the final authority on this one. Any info?
OK, I
lied, two questions. The OED/Freudian thing in *Dr. Sax*. How much
do you
think it was intended and how much do you think it was just
happenstance?
Just to let my opinion be known, a friend of mine said that
if JK
truly meant for it to be that Oedipal it would have taken him 30
years
to write. I agree.
Mat
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From: Paul Clement Czaja
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Anyone
out there on the winds of the Noosphere know exactly where in
*The
Brothers Karamazov* the saintly monk, Father Sosima, tells a
troubled
woman: "I'm sorry, all I can say is that active love is a harsh
and
dreadful thing, but it is the only answer." and leaves it at that?
I still
remember where I was when I read that line (Duane Library on Rose