>world
sales. Thanks again to Michael for correcting me. I'll be kick me in
>the
ass and thump my ears. See ya'll.
>Ron
"Rollo" Whitehead
5/24/96 7:03PM
>
>Without
a doubt he is one of the best poets and also a real nice guy. I
have
met him several times at the Lowell Celebrates Kerouac Festival. If
anyone
out there hasn't read "Canticle of Jack Kerouac" I highly recommend
it. It
is my favorite of his and he is my favorite poet. Has anyone heard
how his
health is? I heard he had a bypass operation. Phil
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Hello
Phil & anyone else interested in Lawrence Ferlinghetti's health. Spring
'95 I
visited with Lawrence for 3 days at Univ of Charleston, West Virginia.
He had
spell with heart then. In NYC at NYU's Jack Kerouac Symposium, June
'95,
Lawrence had several spells with heart but refused to see doctor. Upon
return
to San Francisco heart spells intensifying he visited his physician
who
rushed him to hospital saying it was almost too late & a wonder he'd made
this
long. Touch & go for a while but Lawrence rebounded like a kid and by
August
when I visited him in San Francisco he was already working out with
Nancy
Peters, moving at furious pace doing final editing on City Lights'
Anthology,
& looking at least 95% back to full throttle. Talked with him
several
times over phone & could sense energy returning then visited with him
early
this month in D.C. & he's back to 110% kicking ass taking the heat the
flack
the lonely voiced criticism of him being a shrewd businessman bullshit
&
proving through his poetry (reading at National Portrait Gallery with
Ginsberg,
Corso, McClure, Creeley, Amram, etc) & his open friendly &
supportive
attitude towards newcomers & oldcomers that he is (despite
mistakes
he's made & despite criticism attempting to stone him out of inner
Beat
circle) one of the truly great humanitarian individualists & poets in
this
beaten down ramshackled world. Lawrence is in Italy now until June
seeing
to opening(s) of art exhibition at Palazzo Delle Espofizione (The
Museum
of Modern Art in Rome). Thanks for asking!
Later,
Ron Whitehead 5/25/96 10:53PM
P.S.
World Premiere of 57-minute documentary on Lawrence Ferlinghetti by
Chris
Felver (along with release celebration of Chris' new book of photograph
portraits
of famous poets & writers. Coppola has had hand in production of
documentary)
will be held at
big
event in New Orleans I'm producing August 16-18 called: RANT for the
literary
renaissance & The Majic Bus present RANT eats New Orleans 48-Hour
Non-Stop
Music & Poetry INSOMNIACATHON Aug 16-18 at The Howlin Wolf Club &
The New
Orleans Contemporary Arts Center. Actually looks like may be
57-hours.
Event will feature numerous old & new voices poets writers
musicians
bands including Diane di Prima, Ed Sanders, Robert Creeley,
Lawrence
Ferlinghetti, David Amram, Andrei Codrescu, John Rechy, E. Ethelbert
Miller,
Jay McInerney, Mike Watt & band, Pere Ubu, Lee Ranaldo, Yo La Tengo,
Richard
Hell, Robert Palmer, Julian Bond, Todd Colby, Brenda Coultas, Leah
Singer,
The Black Pig Liberation Front, Louis Bickett & The Cultural Mud Man,
Frank
Messina & Spoken Motion, The Amazing Chan Klan, Marsallis Family,
Ishmael
Reed, John Sinclair, Ramblin Jack Elliott, Dennis Formento, Kalamu
Yasalaam,
Arthur Pfister, & numerous others plus special guest appearances
plus
SPECIAL ERECTION CEREMONY OF HISTORIC MARKER AT WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS
ALGERS
HOME. CORPSE (formerly EXQUISITE CORPSE) devoting entire issue to
INSOMNIACATHON.
TRIBE magazine promoting event plus devoting entire August
issue
to event. COMPOST magazine (Boston, NYC) devoting entire issue to
Ferlinghetti
based round/on event.
I'm
doing booking for performers now & will be completely done no later than
June
15th (headed to New Orleans immediately following Sunday reading.
meeting
with Douglas Brinkley, Lee Lavere, TRIBE, CORPSE). Any questions bout
performance
or event give me a holler at RWhiteBone@aol.com or 502-568-4956.
Ron
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In your
message you mention that John Rechy will be at INSOMNIACATHON.
His
"City of Night" is still one of my favourite books of the period.
What is
he up to now?
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For
what its worth, I thought Lawrence Ferlingetti looked great at the Rebel
Poets
symposium in Wash DC last month. I've
seen him a few times before,
often
he seemed sort of bothered and generally pissed off. Not last month!
He seemed real relaxed and moved witth as
much as can be expected for a
fellow
of his age. Long may his light burn!
Howard
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Hello
group,
I'm new
to this list, and I have a (possibly) naive question to ask.
Does
anyone know of an annotated version of On the Road? I am interested
in
making an index of places, characters, events, etc. in OTR for the
use of
scholars or general readership.
I
understand it is unusual to index a work of fiction. But because
Kerouac
modelled his fiction so closely on his real life I think this may
be a
useful finding aid for scholars and others searching for quotes,
story
lines, or anything else needed for an essay or article.
I would
love to hear some comments about this idea.
David
Myers
School
of Library and Information Science
Florida
State University
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Subject: annotated Joyce & Kerouac
Hello
David Myers & anyone else interested in Annotated Kerouac. The new A
Jack
Kerouac ROMnibus includes annotations to works (i.e. The Dharma Bums) &
in a
way is itlself an annotation to the life of Jack Kerouac. As to an
Annotated
On the Road (as in annotated like James Joyce's work for use by
students
scholars & other interested peoples outside the Ivory Tower of
Academia)
check with David Stanford, Senior Editor, Viking Penguin, 375
Hudson
Street, 4th Floor, NY NY 10014.
All the
Best, Ron Whitehead
RWhiteBone@aol.com 5/28/96 1:49PM
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From: "P.G. Springer"
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Subject: 23
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Where
can I find William Burroughs' explanation of his use (and the power
of) the
number "23"? I also recall
reading some encyclopedia of
mysticism
(by Colin Wilson?) on the subject of the number 23. Anybody
know
these references?
Born on
the 23rd of July,
PGS
"To
be great is to be misunderstood." -- Emerson
"Self-knowledge
is always bad news." -- Barth
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From: Neil Hennessy
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Subject: Re: 23
>
Where can I find William Burroughs' explanation of his use (and the power
>
of) the number "23"?
In
Jennie Skerl's book she mentions that she asked Burroughs if the
number
23 had any special significance and he said, "No, it's just a
number."
Not sure about the page number, but you can probably find it in
the
index or something.
The
most frequent use I've ever seen of the number 23 was in the Dead
Star
magazine. The entire story revolved around the number 23 showing up
as the
day Dutch Schultz died, the number of casualties in a plane crash,
number
of victims in an earthquake. Burroughs includes pictures of the
newspaper
headlines and articles with the number 23 underlined so you can
see that
he wasn't making it up. Of course there is the language virus
B-23
that one sees extensively in his work. But B-23 also mutates into a
sexual
virus in Blade Runner: A Movie. It seems Burroughs chose an
arbitrary
number that kept showing up with unusual frequency in horrible
situations.
23 is the number of doom. And of course once you recognise a
number
as special, you will take note of it every time it comes up.
Good
Luck finding any more info. That's the only mention of it I can
remember.
Cheers,
Neil
"At
guard from North Carolina, Number 23, Michael Jordan"
Chicago Bulls announcer
PS Here
is the biblio info for The Dead Star:
The
Dead Star
Nova
Broadcast Press, San Francisco, 1969.
I found
it in the rare book room of The University of Waterloo library. I
don't
imagine you would find it anywhere but a rare book collection.
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Subject: Testing, again:)
Timothy
Leary is dying, and I don't feel very good myself...
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From: "s. mark johnson"
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Subject: Re: 23
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On May
28, 1996 15:12:47, 'Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>' wrote:
>.
23 is the number of doom. And of course once you recognise a
>number
as special, you will take note of it every time it comes up.
>
>Good
Luck finding any more info. That's the only mention of it I can
>remember.
>
>Cheers,
>Neil
>
>"At
guard from North Carolina, Number 23, Michael Jordan"
Don't
forget "23 skidoo," a "hip" saying from the twenties and
the title of
a
performance art piece co-produced by Burroughs years ago in NYC. Mark J
>Chicago
Bulls announcer
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From: nappodd2
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Subject: Kerouac's picaresque novels
Hello
everyone,
I'm new to this Beat list, but I'm
really excited about talking with
all of
you about some of the best best writers and poets this country has
yet
produced. I study quite a bit of
Spanish and Spanish American
literature;
given that, I've been very interested in an apocryphal statement
of
Kerouac's where he claimed that "all of my novels are really picaresque
novels"--or
something like that. He may have said
it towards the end of his
life. Does anyone know about it or where I could
find it?
Best,
Dan
Nappo
ps. I sent this letter out earlier this week,
but because of some computer
glitches,
I never received and responses--in fact, I'm not even sure it was
mailed. If you've read this before, please be
patient with a computer
semi-literate.
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From: Phil Chaput <Philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: Kerouac's picaresque novels
At
10:38 PM 5/28/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello
everyone,
> I'm new to this Beat list, but I'm
really excited about talking with
>all
of you about some of the best best writers and poets this country has
>yet
produced. I study quite a bit of
Spanish and Spanish American
>literature;
given that, I've been very interested in an apocryphal statement
>of
Kerouac's where he claimed that "all of my novels are really picaresque
>novels"--or
something like that. He may have said
it towards the end of his
>life. Does anyone know about it or where I could
find it?
>
He said
it and meant it! All his novels deal with picaresque(dealing with
sharpwited
vagabonds and there rougish adventures) What could be more
Kerowakian
than that. That statment was not apocryphal YOU ARE APOCRYPHAL!
Kerouac
is the teller of truths he wasn't a lier he was a man of God.
His beleives that
Wild men who kill
have karmas of ill
Good men who love
have karmas of dove
>Dan
Nappo
>
>ps. I sent this letter out earlier this week,
but because of some computer
>glitches,
I never received and responses--in fact, I'm not even sure it was
>mailed. If you've read this before, please be
patient with a computer
>semi-literate.
>
>
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From: Marcus Williamson
<71333.1665@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Number 23
See :
http://www.impropaganda.com/~street/detour/23.html
For the
following info plus more about the number
23.
regards
Marcus
Burrough's
23 Enigma
In the
early '60's in Tangier, William
Burroughs
knew a certain Captain
Clark
who ran a ferry from Tangier
to
Spain. One day, Clark said to
Burroughs
that he'd been running
the
ferry 23 years without an
accident.
That very day the ferry
sank,
killing Clark and everybody
aboard.
In the evening, Burroughs
was
thinking about this when he
turned
on the radio. The first
newscast
told about the crash of
an
airline plane on the New
York-Miami
route. The pilot was
another
Captain Clark and the
flight
was listed as Flight 23 (ala
the
line "Captain Clark welcomes
you
aboard,")
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From: Jon Schwartz <JBS@UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: 23
I
*think* the origin of the 23 as a "charged" number with odd
significance,
usign
the examples below originated in the conspiracy free-for-all trilogy
by
Robert Anton Wilson and a co-author known as the Illuminatus trilogy,
circa
1970's. At least, that's where I first
read about it.
Jon
Schwartz
jbs@uwyo.edu
>
>>
Where can I find William Burroughs' explanation of his use (and the power
>>
of) the number "23"?
>
>In
Jennie Skerl's book she mentions that she asked Burroughs if the
>number
23 had any special significance and he said, "No, it's just a
>number."
Not sure about the page number, but you can probably find it in
>the
index or something.
>
>The
most frequent use I've ever seen of the number 23 was in the Dead
>Star
magazine. The entire story revolved around the number 23 showing up
>as
the day Dutch Schultz died, the number of casualties in a plane crash,
>number
of victims in an earthquake. Burroughs includes pictures of the
>newspaper
headlines and articles with the number 23 underlined so you can
>see
that he wasn't making it up. Of course there is the language virus
>B-23
that one sees extensively in his work. But B-23 also mutates into a
>sexual
virus in Blade Runner: A Movie. It seems Burroughs chose an
>arbitrary
number that kept showing up with unusual frequency in horrible
>situations.
23 is the number of doom. And of course once you recognise a
>number
as special, you will take note of it every time it comes up.
>
>Good
Luck finding any more info. That's the only mention of it I can
>remember.
>
>Cheers,
>Neil
>
>"At
guard from North Carolina, Number 23, Michael Jordan"
>
Chicago Bulls announcer
>
>PS
Here is the biblio info for The Dead Star:
>
>The
Dead Star
>Nova
Broadcast Press, San Francisco, 1969.
>
>I
found it in the rare book room of The University of Waterloo library. I
>don't
imagine you would find it anywhere but a rare book collection.
>
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From: Kristen VanRiper
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Subject: Re: 23
In-Reply-To: <199605290209.CAA15032@pipe2.t2.usa.pipeline.com>
from "s. mark
johnson" at May 29, 96
02:09:51 am
>
>. 23 is the number of doom. And of course once you recognise a
>
>number as special, you will take note of it every time it comes up.
>
>
>
>Good Luck finding any more info. That's the only mention of it I can
>
>remember.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"At guard from North Carolina, Number 23, Michael Jordan"
>
>
>
Don't forget "23 skidoo," a "hip" saying from the twenties
and the title of
> a
performance art piece co-produced by Burroughs years ago in NYC. Mark J
>
>Chicago Bulls announcer
in
jitterbug perfume.....K23.....and timothy leary may be leaving this
world,
but tis a far far better place he is going.....you don't need
america
online to be connected....
read
some of "women" the other day in that decadent barnes and noble on
66th
and broadway....felt so touched by this man that i cried...i pity
the
women who find his truth offensive....i see the women in this
book....i
was a woman in this book....i am now a woman the likes of which i
have
never known, but i remember the pain in the lack of
communication.....very
touching.....
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From: Phil Chaput <Philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: Kerouac's picaresque novels
At
11:09 PM 5/28/96 -0400, you wrote:
>At
10:38 PM 5/28/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hello
everyone,
>> I'm new to this Beat list, but I'm
really excited about talking with
>>all
of you about some of the best best writers and poets this country has
>>yet
produced. I study quite a bit of
Spanish and Spanish American
>>literature;
given that, I've been very interested in an apocryphal statement
>>of
Kerouac's where he claimed that "all of my novels are really picaresque
>>novels"--or
something like that. He may have said
it towards the end of his
>>life. Does anyone know about it or where I could
find it?
>>
>He
said it and meant it! All his novels deal with picaresque(dealing with
>sharpwited
vagabonds and there rougish adventures) What could be more
>Kerowakian
than that. That statment was not apocryphal YOU ARE APOCRYPHAL!
>Kerouac
is the teller of truths he wasn't a lier he was a man of God.
> His beleives that
> Wild men who kill
> have karmas of ill
> Good men who love
> have karmas of dove
>
>Hope
you didn't take this seriously WELCOME TO THE LIST. P.C.
>
>
>
>
>>Dan
Nappo
>>
>>ps. I sent this letter out earlier this week,
but because of some computer
>>glitches,
I never received and responses--in fact, I'm not even sure it was
>>mailed. If you've read this before, please be
patient with a computer
>>semi-literate.
>>
>>
>
>
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From: "W. Luther Jett"
<MagenDror@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: 23
>I
*think* the origin of the 23 as a "charged" number with odd
>significance,
using
the examples below originated in the >conspiracy free-for-all trilogy
by
Robert Anton Wilson and a >co-author known as the Illuminatus trilogy,
circa
1970's. At >least, that's where I
first read about it.
Me too,
however Burroughs' interest in the number dates back farther. There
was a
brief thread several months ago here on this topic. I can't find the
original
message(s), but the gist of it is that while Burroughs was in
Tangier,
he ran across a newspaper article about a grisly murder which
occurred
at a place with the street number 23. Several days later, he found
another
article, this one, I believe, about a shipwreck, and the birthdate of
the
ship's captain was the 23rd. {I may have some of theses details a bit
garbled,
but hopefully you get the idea.) He began collecting occurrences of
the
number 23, and, as Neil Hennessey points out: "once you recognise a
number
as special, you will take note of it every time it comes up."
Incidentally,
23 is a prime number, its integers, 2 & 3, are considered to
have
mystical significance in their own right, and they add up to five, also
considered
a mystical number, and the base of our arithmetic system besides.
Luther
Jett
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From: Tony Camaiani
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Subject: Beat in Italy
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Hi
Everybody,
I am an
Italian Guy ang I have read about This Mailinglist
on a
Newspaper(called Musica)
I have
read something of Jack Kerouac and I wanto to ask
you
some material about Him (some Poems ...and other)
Or some
interessant URL
Thank
to all
______ ____ ___ ______
___
/ \ / \ | \|
|\ \/ /
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ON Z BEACH
~ Camaiani Antonio ~
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From: JoAnn Ruvoli <jruvoli@ORION.IT.LUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Beat in Italy
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<9605301234.AA01069@cygnus.rinascita.it>
Hello
all,
I've
been reading the Joan Baez memoir "And a VOice to Sing With."
Has
anyone else read it? It reminds me of
other memoirs of the women
Beats
that I have read (How I became Hettie JOnes, and Minor Characters),
and I
was wondering if anyone has read other books or articles linking
Baez to
the Beat movement.... say, like they (whoever they are) link Bob
Dylan to
the Beat movement. I've seen Bob in
anthologies, but not Joan...
Just
curious. Any thoughts?
JoAnne
jruvoli@orion.it.luc.edu
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From: Neil Hennessy
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Subject: Number 23
On Wed,
29 May 1996 18:07:35 -0400 "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@AOL.com>
wrote:
>
Incidentally, 23 is a prime number, its integers, 2 & 3, are considered to
>
have mystical significance in their own right, and they add up to
>
five, also
>
considered a mystical number, and the base of our arithmetic system
>
besides.
Last
time I checked our number system was base 10.
Neil
"I'm
literary, I take math to mortify myself."
J.P.
Sartre
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from
<tony.c@RINASCITA.IT>
I
suggest that you read On The Road to begin with. You might also check
variousanthologies
and books translated by Nanda Pivano.
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From: Neil Hennessy
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Subject: Joan Baez
You
might want to try posting this question to the rec.music.dylan
newsgroup.
Baez doesn't have one of her own, but this newsgroup is filled
with
people who have heard tons of duets at least. Baez would have know
Ginsberg
since he was hanging around Dylan from the mid-60's all the
way
through to the mid-70's. Ginsberg plays a wonderful part as "The
Father"
in Dylan's much maligned opus "Renaldo & Clara" in which Baez
plays a
lousy part as "The Woman in White". The judgement of Baez's
role
does not necessarily reflect poorly on her, but perhaps on Dylan's
use of
her and choice of footage including her.
Cheers,
Neil
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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>
Subject: Re: Beat in Italy
A major
photo exhibition of Jack Keroauc and Lowell will be opening in
Milan
in the next couple of weeks. This should provide a good
introduction.
I'll have to find the details. By the way, the exhibit will
be in
Lowell during the Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival.
Mark
Hemenway
Lowell
Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc
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From: Yossef Mendelssohn
<citizenx@MAIL.PHOENIX.NET>
Subject: Re: Number 23
At
09:20 AM 5/30/96 -0400, you wrote:
>On
Wed, 29 May 1996 18:07:35 -0400 "W. Luther Jett"
<MagenDror@AOL.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
Incidentally, 23 is a prime number, its integers, 2 & 3, are considered to
>>
have mystical significance in their own right, and they add up to
>>
five, also
>>
considered a mystical number, and the base of our arithmetic system
>>
besides.
>
>Last
time I checked our number system was base 10.
>Neil
>
okay,
okay. You have a point there; our number system is base 10. But last
time I
checked, I had two hands with five fingers each. In a way, five is
the
base of our number system.
-yossef
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Subject: Re: That magic number, 23
>Last
time I checked our number system was base 10.
>Neil
Okay,
so math was never my strong-point.
I guess
I was thinking that in the anthropological sense, people probably
started
counting their fingers, and there are five fingers on each hand (and
five
toes on each foot, leading one to wonder why we don't compute in Base
20).
Luther
Jett
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From: George Morrone
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Subject: Re: Number 23 (Maybe its just a
coincidence, but... )
May it
IS just a coincidence, but...
On
August 23:
The St.
Bartholomew's Massacre occured in 1572
Rudolph
Valentino died in 1926
Sacco
and Vanzetti were executed in 1927
The
Nazi-Soviet pact was signed in 1939; WWII started one week later
I was
born in 1949
Yusef
Hawkins was killed in Brooklyn, 1989
George
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From: CMJ <Forza@CRIS.COM>
Subject: Dylan? A Beat?
Comments:
To: BEAT-L@cunyvm.cuny.edu.
Hi,
all:
I'd
like anyone and everyone's opinion as to Bob's being considered a
Beat. I
believe Ann Charters has a couple of his poems (songs) in her
anthology. IMHO, I believe he should be considered a
Beat. I welcome any
response
on this. If one considers Bob, then I suppose Joan must also be
considered,
but with this consideration of both of them, politics plays a
hefty
role.
Also,
if you haven't checked out Tim Leary's new web page, take the time
to do
it, if you're so inclined. He has
expanded the whole site, also
including
"chat rooms" where people go in and talk on-line. There is one
topic
room devoted only to Kerouac and the Beats. Browsers are encouraged
to open
up their own "topics", etc. Very interesting.
Chris
forza@concentric.net
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From: "m.d.fascione"
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Subject: Re: Dylan? A Beat? (fwd)
Check
out Dylan's movie 'Renaldo & Clara' puts Dylan right on the beat map!
Daniel
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from <Forza@CRIS.COM>
Dylan
certainly isn't a member of the Beat Generation as such. He is
too
young to be part of the original group.
But he was strongly
influenced
by the Beats, particularly by Kerouac and Ginsberg. He also
shares
an interest with those whoinfluenced Kerouac & Ginsberg -- like
Rimbaud
and the Surrealists. During the 1960s
he shared the same turf
with
some of the Beats -- the Village Coffee housesand cafes. Dylan is
close
to the Beats for poetic reasons. Phil
Ochs and Joan Baez shared
political
concerns with Allen Ginsberg, particularly in terms of their
opposition
to the Vietnam War. I like to call
Dylan and those who were
influenced
by the Beats "New Beats."
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From: Kristen VanRiper
<pooh@IMAGEEK.YORK.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Number 23
In-Reply-To:
<199605302051.PAA08206@mail.phoenix.net> from "Yossef
Mendelssohn" at May 30, 96 03:51:07 pm
>
>> have mystical significance in their own right, and they add up to
>
>> five, also
>
>> considered a mystical number, and the base of our arithmetic system
>
>> besides.
>
>
>
>Last time I checked our number system was base 10.
>
>Neil
>
>
>
okay, okay. You have a point there; our number system is base 10. But last
>
time I checked, I had two hands with five fingers each. In a way, five is
>
the base of our number system.
>
>
-yossef
>
e =
2.7182...
pi =
3.14....
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From: Jonathan Kratter
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Subject: Re: Number 23
In-Reply-To:
<199605311453.KAA16976@imageek.york.cuny.edu>
Actually,
five is not the base of our number system.
I hate to be
pedantic,
but the number system is not based on five, but on ten, because
after
the ninth digit, we add another digit-place, and that's how you
determine
what a number system is based on - how many numbers it takes to
add
another digit. So our number system is
not based on five. If it
were,
we'd count like
1
2
3
4
11 -this equals five in base ten
12 -six
13 -seven, etc...
14
20
21
22
23
24
30
Eternally
Dreaming,
jonathan
=========================
Jonathan
Kratter, Dreamer
"Fantasies are the sugar with
which you take the bitter medicine
of life."
On Fri,
31 May 1996, Kristen VanRiper wrote:
>
> >> have mystical significance in their own right, and they add up to
>
> >> five, also
>
> >> considered a mystical number, and the base of our arithmetic
system
>
> >> besides.
>
> >
>
> >Last time I checked our number system was base 10.
>
> >Neil
>
> >
>
> okay, okay. You have a point there; our number system is base 10. But last
>
> time I checked, I had two hands with five fingers each. In a way, five is
>
> the base of our number system.
>
>
>
> -yossef
>
>
>
> e
= 2.7182...
> pi
= 3.14....
>
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
<gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>
Subject: Tim Leary Passes away
Tim
Leary died today.
In his
book Flashbacks he describes his only bad trip (or at least his first
one or
the only one he would admit to) as being the one with Kerouac.
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Subject: Leary?
Tim
died? His website said he was feeling
fine and his cancer seemed to
be in
remission...he was supposed to have a large cybercast of his death,
but his
website won't respond when I try to access it...what happened?
upset,
jonathan
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: Leary?
At
11:19 AM 5/31/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Tim
died? His website said he was feeling
fine and his cancer seemed to
>be
in remission...he was supposed to have a large cybercast of his death,
>but
his website won't respond when I try to access it...what happened?
>
> upset,
> jonathan
>
>=========================
>Jonathan
Kratter, Dreamer
My
guess is the website is very crowded after the news.
I heard
the news on KFI (a local LA station) driving in to work this morning.
The
report said he had friends and family by his side.
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Subject: Cosmic!
Today,
on May 31st, 1996, just after midnight, Timothy Leary passed
away. He was seventy five years old. He died in his bedroom surrounded
by
close friends. His last words were
"why not?" and "yeah."
Interesting, isn't it, that he died
just after midnight? Almsot
as if
he was hanging on until today. Well, I
looked, and, believe it or
not, May
31st is Walt Whitman's birthday. Walt
Whitman, of course, is
whom
both Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg (both friends of Leary)
referred
to as the "original beat"...cosmic, isn't it?
Eternally Dreaming,
Jonathan
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Dylan? A Beat? (fwd)
I don't
mean to be disagreeable but I'm just a little tired of the "who is a
beat"
discussions -- Bukowski? Kesey? Dylan? Charlie Parker? Trochhi? Jerry
Garcia?
Dylan?
Abbie
Hoffman? Tim Leary? Norman Mailer?
On one
hand purists insist that to be beat ment that one had to be present at
Columbia
U on such and such a date or Tangier, or San Francisco in 1956, or
somewhere
else, and partied or read/wrote with the "big three". Others
consider
everyone who ever read On The Road or meditated with AG a beat.
Some people take this discussion quite
seriously. I guess its interesting
to know
when Dylan read OTR or what he has said about the subject, of course
it is
interesting. What I don't find
interesting are the self-appointed
guardians
of the label "beat" who take delight in flaming anyone who
disagrees
with them.
Why
can't it suffice to say that these people (fill in the blank) were
greatly
influenced by the beats and can use the label if they want. The term
"beat"
is NOT copyrighted by the estate of Jack Kerouac or anyone else. It
belongs
to everybody who wants it - "Believe it if you need it, if you don't
just
pass it on" (Robert Hunter).
Howard
Park
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From: Phil Chaput <Philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: Dylan? A Beat? (fwd)
At
03:46 PM 5/31/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I
don't mean to be disagreeable but I'm just a little tired of the "who is a
>beat"
discussions -- Bukowski? Kesey? Dylan? Charlie Parker? Trochhi? Jerry
>Garcia?
Dylan?
>Abbie
Hoffman? Tim Leary? Norman Mailer?
>
>On
one hand purists insist that to be beat ment that one had to be present at
>Columbia
U on such and such a date or Tangier, or San Francisco in 1956, or
>somewhere
else, and partied or read/wrote with the "big three". Others
>consider
everyone who ever read On The Road or meditated with AG a beat.
>
Some people take this discussion quite seriously. I guess its interesting
>to
know when Dylan read OTR or what he has said about the subject, of course
>it
is interesting. What I don't find
interesting are the self-appointed
>guardians
of the label "beat" who take delight in flaming anyone who
>disagrees
with them.
>
>Why
can't it suffice to say that these people (fill in the blank) were
>greatly
influenced by the beats and can use the label if they want. The term
>"beat"
is NOT copyrighted by the estate of Jack Kerouac or anyone else. It
>belongs
to everybody who wants it - "Believe it if you need it, if you don't
>just
pass it on" (Robert Hunter).
>
>Howard
Park
>
>Jesus
Christ was definitely a beat. Nixon was definitely not a beat.
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From: Ron Whitehead
<RWhiteBone@AOL.COM>
Subject: Howard Park on whose Beat
Thanks
to Howard Park for breath of fresh air open the windows & doors
comments
on whose BEAT! Fall '93 I asked Allen Ginsberg how he felt about Bob
Dylan
which prompted a long & fascinating response. Ron Whitehead
RWhiteBone@aol.com
5/31/96 9:11PM
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Subject: HE WAS A CROOK
One of
the finest pieces of writing in this fair land is Dr. Hunter S.
Thompson's
HE WAS A CROOK (Nixon Obituary. Did Published in Heaven Poster of
this
piece with Chris Felver photo of Hunter.) Thank sweet beat Jesus that
Nixon
WAS finally beat.
Ron
Whitehead
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Subject: I WILL NOT BOW DOWN, math, & #23
"I pledge allegiance to fractal geometry
the geometry of clouds and
coastlines
to 2x2 equalling 5
I pledge allegiance to Failure
to failing as no other dare fail
I pledge allegiance to taking risks
to holing daring" (from Ron
Whitehead's "I Will Not Bow Down")
Whitehead
was born 11-23-50, Thanksgiving Day, in the midst of the worst
blizzard
to ever hit Kentucky. He's had one dramatically "Rolloish"
successful
failure after another ever since. What is success? What is
failure?
3 Edgar
Cayce trained psychics & 7 astrologers including master Hindu-Vedic
Cayce
astrologer Ry Redd (TOWARDS A NEW ASTROLOGY) all concur that they've
never
seen such a powerful successful Jupiter as Whitehead's particularly
related
to international community of writers artists musicians. They all say
this
success should last thru 2016 at which time, aged 66, he will die.
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From: nappodd2 <nappodd2@ALPHA.SHIANET.ORG>
Subject: Beat or no?
The classification of writers into
their own groups and movements is
often
making something out of nothing. It can
appear arbitrary, as if the
all-mighty
custodians of the canon simply decided that undergraduate
literature
students needed more terminology to memorize:
the Jena circle,
the
Grasmere circle, the Symbolists, the Generacion del 1898, the Beats,
etc. More than arbitrary, it can seem
forced. Why include William Blake,
for
example, among the BIG FIVE English Romantics (Wordsworth, Coleridge,
Keats,
and Byron)? The two who actually knew
Blake thought he was a nut.
On the other hand, I think in the case
of "the Beats" (for the sake
of
argument let's go with Charters' Portable Reader roll call) the question
of who
is and who is not SHOULD be asked--and not simply for the convenience
of
anthology editors. If similarities of
style, symbol and theme exist
between
writers of a particular time and they are grouped together by a
term,
then the determination of them as an important cultural and artistic
development
is easier to arrive at. Strength in
numbers. When you really
think
about it, aside from their (short-lived) association at Columbia,
tripping,
and the fact they slept with one another, what do the "core"
Beats--Ginsberg,
Kerouac, Burroughs--have in common at all?
Did Ginsberg
adopt
the "Spontaneous Prose" technique?
Did Kerouac share Ginsberg's
politics? How much poetry did Burroughs write? Why is Ginsberg
consistently
anthologized and the other two are not (Kerouac was dumped from
the
1984 Norton edition)? While I believe
they were an important cultural
and
artistic development, I wonder how frequently the term "Beat" has
been
kicked
around for commercial rather than literary considerations. Asking
whether
Dylan or Bukowski was Beat is not a meaningless exercise of some
vague
hegemony; I think it is an invitation to read the Beats critically,
discover
similarities/differences, and make an even stronger case for their
value
and greatness.
In any case, I would think such a line
of inquiry would be more
interesting
than exhausting interpretations of the number 23 and arguing
whether
or not our number system is base 10.
Dan
Nappo
"To
act without understanding and to do so habitually without examination,
following
certain courses all their lives without knowing the principles
behind
them--this is the way of the multitude."
--Mencius