beat list 1996

don't put on any airs when you're down on Rue Morgue avenue

there some hungry women there they'll really make a man out of you..."

and

"I started out on burgundy but soon hit the harder stuff

all my friends said they'd stand by me when the game got rough"

and

"I'm going back to New York city, I do believe I've had enough."

Maybe I'm viewing the facts to fit the hypothesis, but that sure

sounds a lot like the Mexico segement of On The Road. Also, starting on

burgundy but soon hitting the harder stuff may be an allusion to Jack's

drinking problem.

That's my first point. Secondly, I'd like to thank everyone for

their responses on the difference between religion and philosophy and

Buddhism, etc... and apologize to everyone for wasting beat list space

with buddhist things.

Eternally Dreaming,

Jonathan

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Jonathan Kratter, Dreamer

"Fantasies are the sugar with which you take the bitter medicine

of life."

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:36:33 -0500

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From: Lori Fenn <lyf1305@OMEGA.UTA.EDU>

Subject: Unsuscribe

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Unsuscribe

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:56:18 -0400

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From: "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@AOL.COM>

Subject: Beats, Buddhism, Beagles and Lox

>And what is up with all this asian religion stuff on the Beat >List? If

there's a connection, may we continue to explore the >connection.

I believe this thread emerged from an enquiry into the relationship of the

Beats to Buddhism - Particularly Kerouac (this is an ongoing theme), but also

Ginsberg, Gary Snyder, et al. Someone asked a quite legitimate question,

seeking clarification, and a number of people kindly responded. I didn't

think it irrelevant at all.

Has a dog Buddha nature?

Luther Jett

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:16:46 -0400

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From: The Lowes <hdnfalls@POND.COM>

Subject: Is Yr Dog Beat??

Of course--

How dare you even ask the question--

All beings in the "quivering wheel of meat conception" bear Buddha nature--

It's amazing to me how anyone can consider discussion of Buddhism/Beatitude

irrelevant.

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:22:21 -0400

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From: William Miller <KenWNC@AOL.COM>

Subject: Jack Black book

Hello folks.

William Miller here.

Last autumn I posted to the list a request for information about Jack Black's

_You Can't Win_. I have been looking for it ever since (doggedly resisting

all offers of a new paperback for $20).

Some fine gentleman suggested trying to get ahold of a copy through

InterLibrary Loan (ILL). I tried that a month ago, and voila! I received a

copy, on loan, yesterday,from a small private college library in South

Carolina.

It's a hardcover printing from 1926 (book first published 1925). Let me tell

you, I've just peeked inside, but apparently this is the real thing and

worthwhile.

Just letting you know that the book is available, and for less than $20 !

I love it when a plan comes together.

William Miller.

PS thanks to the fellow in (Maine, was it?) who suggested ILL. Try it,

beatfans. It works!

PPS At least two of you requested detailed information on the new paperback

from BiP, some publisher in Hawaii. Did either/any of you order it? If so,

what does it look like?

--WAA17360.835238241/emout13.mail.aol.com--

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:26:19 -0500

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From: Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject: Corso article

The London Review of Books (6 June issue) carries a fascinating article by

Iain Sinclair about a visit to NYC to interview Gregory Corso for a BBC

Radio program about the Beats. Talks about how much of his work is

unpublished, how he never really fitted in with the 'triplicity' (his word)

of JK&WB&AG. Some nice quotes (not enough to violate copyright)...

"He can't talk sitting down. He has to pace the length of the room, like a

cell ...His memory tapes are on a loop ...Grey hair to the shoulder,

gargoyle cherub ...if anyone should be in the Nike ads, it's Gregory. He's

the only pensioned Beat still using well-hiked trainers. Look at the Annie

Leibovitz spread in Vanity Fair, a row of brilliantly varnished hoofs - and

Corso sockless in scuffed white casuals."

and later

"corso uses a number of similes drawn from native American life, an

unconcious reonnection with Snyder's long-term concerns. The Beats, he

implies, are the Redskins of America: noble savages doomed in all they

attempt. Fossils of better times. Or Hollywood B-feature braves played by

Jews. In his fine collection Elegiac Feelings American, he wrote of Kerouac,

his identification with the land, and also offered a 'Spontaneous Requiem

for the American Indian'. A 'hard nickel faced' Geronimo skidding into a

displaced, leather-jacket motorcyclist 'smoking/a cigarette in a fishy

corner in the night."

It's a good article. I think Borders/B&N/good independents carry LRB, and a

fair number of libraries take it too...

Nick W-W

**************************************************************************

Nick Weir-Williams

Director, Northwestern University Press

President, Illinois Book Publishers Association

List Manager, chipub listserv (http://www.usa4.com/chipub/)

ph: 847 491 8114

fax: 847 491 8150

***Publishing is 90% inspiration and the other half is just hard work

(with apologies to Yogi Berra)***

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:29:46 -0700

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From: Jonathan Kratter <jonkrat@NUEVA.PVT.K12.CA.US>

Subject: Unsubscribe..

Hi everyone...

Unfortunately, as I have said before, I must away to scenic Maine...

and, it is Friday...

so, will someone unsubscribe me from the list, please?

Thank you kindly, I'll see you all in September,

Jonathan

=========================

Jonathan Kratter, Dreamer

"Fantasies are the sugar with which you take the bitter medicine

of life."

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:48:49 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: LitKicks in Wired

Hey, I saw the new Wired. It had a picture of Levi Asher's Kerouac stamp

and a little about the litkicks site.

And they mentioned me too in a way.

They gave the url for LitKicks and talked about what can be seen there.

They said you can listen to Kerouac reading. Well, that actually is my

site, not LitKicks, but Levi graciously linked to it in the Kerouac section

of LitKicks. I guess these Wired guys can't even tell one site from another.

And I must say there is another Kerouac reading site with readings from Mex

City Blues and SF Blues. I don't remember the name of the guy who runs it

or its URL. You can get to it through my kerouac speaks site or through

Levi's LitKicks in the kerouac section.

I assume everyone here knows this but,

http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn

http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/kerouacspeaks/kerouacspeaks.html

Those are them

Tim

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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 02:27:43 GMT

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From: "s. mark johnson" <smark@NYC.PIPELINE.COM>

Subject: Re: Corso article

Comments: To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"

<BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@vm.its.rpi.edu>

On Jun 21, 1996 10:26:19, 'Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>' wrote:

>In his fine collection Elegiac Feelings American, he wrote of Kerouac,

One of the few books that made it through the nuthouse and came out the

other side with me intact (both of us...). I am with you in Springfield

and Wichita Falls State...

s. mark johnson

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 02:55:00 -0400

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From: "Emily L. User." <Queen79099@AOL.COM>

Subject: The french subject

It would be simply fabulous if you could send the french Kerouac. I really

have nothing else to say, so here's my e-mail address:

Queen79099@aol.com

otherwise known as...

emily in Palo Alto, CA

thanks a lot!

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Subject: Unsubscribe

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Joey

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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:25:01 -0400

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From: CMJ <Forza@CRIS.COM>

SIGN-OFF BEAT-L

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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 22:03:50 -0400

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From: William Miller <KenWNC@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Is Yr Dog Beat??

The Lowes write:

"Of course--

How dare you even ask the question--

All beings in the "quivering wheel of meat conception" bear Buddha nature--

It's amazing to me how anyone can consider discussion of Buddhism/Beatitude

irrelevant."

-0--------------------------------------

That's right. I'm the one that first questioned the string of Asian religion

notes to the list. I NEVER said that it was irrelevant, just that there

ought to be a Zen list (I was thinking that for entries with titles such as

"Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind", a Zen list would be perfect !!!). No offense

take, please.

Never mind. It was just a silly note, lowes.

On the dogs/beat note, check out what Bill had to say in _The Cat Inside_

about domesticated dogs. It's a hoot.

William Miller

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"We're not all here for Kerouac, you know." -- The WiseCracker

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:13:58 -0400

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From: Phil Chaput <Philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject: Lenore Kandel

Does anyone know the current status and whereabouts of Lenore

Kandel? She was a poet of the S. F. Beat circle in the early '60s, author

of The Love Book, character (Ramona Schwartz ) based on her in

Kerouac's Big Sur.

Thanks, Phil

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From: Gene Adam <alaska@HK.SUPER.NET>

Subject: Re: What are these things?

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It might be right to say about Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, including =

Zen, that they all can have different characteristics depending upon who =

is following them and where. Wouldn't it be accurate to say of these =

philosophies &/or religions that (speaking generally) they can exist on =

several or many social planes, across various countries and cultures, =

and can be anything from austere visions of life coupled with similarly =

austere practices, to ways of finding out from "the gods" by way of a =

temple priest, whether or not one should buy 1000 shares of Cathay =

Pacific or get married this year...... =20

Gene Adam

Hong Kong

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From: s. mark johnson[SMTP:smark@NYC.PIPELINE.COM]

Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 1996 9:04

To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L

Subject: Re: What are these things?

On Jun 17, 1996 20:54:30, 'Jonathan Kratter =

<jonkrat@NUEVA.PVT.K12.CA.US>'

wrote:

>we went into Taoism, Buddhism,

>Confucianism, and Zen, the question came up as to what they really =

were.

>Are they religions, or philosophies, or something in between?

>Any comments?

The first is probably more a philosophy or collection of sayings from =

Lao

Tsu in the Tao Te Ching, an ancient Chinese text. Buddhism and

Confucianism are most certainly religions, both of which have large

followings and are measured in millennia. Zen or Zen Buddhism is a =

small

sect or offshoot of Buddhism and hence must also be considered a =

religion.

Mark J

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From: Michael Skau <mskau@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>

Subject: zen

In a 1959 essay entitled "The Square Roots of Zen," Nancy Wilson Ross

says, "Zen, although considered a religion by its followers, has no sacred

scriptures whose words are law; no fixed canan; no rigid dogma; no Saviour

or Divine Being on whose favor or through whose intercession one's

eventual salvation is predicated. The absence of attributes common to all

other religious systems lends Zen a certain air of freedom which many

modern people obviously find attractive." (_Horizon_ 1.6 (July 1959):

72).

Mike

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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:06:17 +1000

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From: JENS MOELLENHOFF <JMOELLEN@NW80.CIP.FAK14.UNI-MUENCHEN.DE>

Subject: Beatific Dogs and Burroughs: THE CAT INSIDE

> On the dogs/beat note, check out what Bill had to say in _The Cat Inside_

> about domesticated dogs. It's a hoot.

> William Miller

The Cat Inside is great, concerning dogs AND cats. I'm

wondering if the US edition of The Cat Inside is as short as the

German edition I own. So could anyone give me the information, how

many of these wonderful prose sketches are contained within the US

edition ?

Jens Moellenhoff

Email:

jmoellen@nw80.cip.fak14.uni-muenchen.de

jmoellen@sun1.cip.fak14.uni-muenchen.de

Internet:

http://www.fak14.uni-muenchen.de/~jmoellen/ (German Language)

University of Munich, Germany

*** Language is a Virus from Outer Space ***

*** William S. Burroughs ***

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:02:28 -0400

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From: "Darius A. Yasiejko" <Derangel@AOL.COM>

Subject: JK poetry contest..

Does any one know of the Jack Kerouac Literary Prize?? I was wondering if

anyone had any information on the contest.. If you do please e-mail me at

Derangel@aol.com It would be greatly appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:10:58 -0700

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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject: Re: JK poetry contest..

In-Reply-To: <960625190227_339473695@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "Darius A.

Yasiejko" at Jun 25, 96 07:02:28 pm

> Does any one know of the Jack Kerouac Literary Prize?? I was wondering if

> anyone had any information on the contest.. If you do please e-mail me at

> Derangel@aol.com It would be greatly appreciated.

I forgot to put this info into my Beat News page (I saw the info a

while ago) but if somebody posts it here, I'll put it there.

I'm pretty sure it's the folks in Lowell (Mark Hemenway, are you there?)

who are running it.

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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/

(the beat literature web site)

Queensboro Ballads: http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/

(my fantasy folk-rock album)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Ran into the devil, babe, he loaned me twenty bills

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:26:57 EDT

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: JK Poetry Contest..

Hi Folks...

Here are the guidelines for the Jack Kerouac Literary Prize. Everything

you need to know is here, but if you have any questions, let me know.

Levi, I will send you a word 6.0 version separately.

Thanks. Don't forget the 9th Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival

3-6 October.

**********

8th ANNUAL JACK KEROUAC LITERARY PRIZE

Experienced and emerging writers are invited to submit written works in

competition for the 8th Annual Jack Kerouac Literary Prize. This Prize

will consist of a $500 honorarium and an invitation to present the prize

winning manuscript at a public reading during the 9th Annual Lowell

Celebrates Kerouac! Festival in Lowell, MA from 3 through 6 October 1996.

SUBMISSIONS MUST MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA:

1. All works must be in English and not previously published.

2. Submissions will be accepted between 1 April 1996 and 1 August

1996. Entries postmarked before 1 April 1996 and after 1 August 1996 will

not be accepted. The deadline for all entries is 1 August 1996.

3. The author's name must not appear anywhere on the manuscript.

4. Submissions must be accompanied by a 3x5 index card containing the

author's name, address, telephone number and manuscript title.

5. We are unable to return any manuscripts. Authors will retain all

rights and privileges to their work including full copyright protection.

6. An entry fee of $5.00 must accompany each submission. Please make

checks payable to: LOWELL CELEBRATES KEROUAC!

8. Submissions must meet the following format requirements:

FICTION:

a. Submit one, typed, double-spaced copy of your manuscript;

b. Your entry must not exceed thirty (30) pages excerpted from a novel; or

a maximum of three (3) short stories with a combined length of thirty

pages or less.

POETRY:

a. Submit one typed copy of your manuscript;

b. Your entry must not exceed eight (8) poems with a combined length of 15

pages or less. No entry may exceed fifteen (15) pages.

NON-FICTION:

a. Submit one typed, double-spaced copy of your manuscript;

b. Your entry must not exceed thirty (30) pages excerpted from a volume,

or a maximum of three (3) essays with a combined length of thirty (30)

pages or less.

9. Submit all manuscripts to:

The Jack Kerouac Literary Prize

P.O. Box 8788

Lowell, MA 01853-8788

10. Authors will receive notification of the prize winner by September 15,

1996.

The Jack Kerouac Literary Prize is sponsored by Lowell Celebrates

Kerouac!, Inc (a non-profit organization), The Estate of Jack and Stella

Kerouac, Middlesex Community College, and the University of Massachusetts

at Lowell.

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From: Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:06:17 -0400 JENS MOELLENHOFF

<JMOELLEN@NW80.CIP.FAK14.UNI-MUENCHEN.DE> wrote:

> The Cat Inside is great, concerning dogs AND cats. I'm

> wondering if the US edition of The Cat Inside is as short as the

> German edition I own. So could anyone give me the information, how

> many of these wonderful prose sketches are contained within the US

> edition ?

I have the first edition Viking Penguin from 1992 and there's a grand

total of 94 pages of those wonderful little prose sketches. I have also

had the priviledge of seeing one of the VERY first, limited edition

copies from Grenfell Press in 1986. Only 133 copies were made and my

university library has one in the rare book collection. It's No. 99

(Canadian University, greatest hockey player ever, co-incidence? I think

not. (One for all you numerologists out there ;)) and signed by Burroughs

and Gysin. There is actually an even more limited edition, namely the

last 20 or so of the 133, which have some kind of gold stitching or

something like that.

The Grenfell _Cat Inside_ was a very large book, about a foot wide and two

feet tall (somewher in that neighbourhood anyway) made out of cloth

paper, and each page appeared to be torn individually as opposed to cut.

There were many more Gysin illustrations than appear in the Viking

edition. All of the illustrations are similar to the one on the cover of

the Viking - ink smears with feline features.

Picking out the cat from the blotch is very much akin to how Burroughs

paints now. Well, not how he paints, but how he values his paintings. If

he can see something, or find a face or a person from a dream, or a

character in his writing within the seemingly random streaks of paint,

then it is a successful painting, otherwise, he discards it and tries again.

To see more on Burroughs's ideas about painting see _Painting and Guns_

from Hanuman Books.

Cheers,

Neil

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From: Phil Chaput <Philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject: Was Jack self destructive?

Please don't kill the messenger just give your opinion. Phil

I you feel Jack was self destructive what caused him to feel that way.

Did he have a reason to drink himself to death? Can there ever be a reason

for that?

1 Strict French Catholic roots fighting internal homoerotic desires or just

strong sexual desires.Tormented by what's right and wrong

2 rejected over and over by mainstream publishers piss poor reviews constant

rejection (even by friends) when he knows he is a genius.

3 Felt like he didn't do enough in the war effort,Sammy and John two of his

closest friends are killed, he served but not up to par with what his

friends have seen, Billy a tail gunner,Tony OSS officer,Joe photographer on

bombing runs

4 Gerard dead, Father dead, Caroline dead ,Neal dead,others dead

5 Fill in the blank- give some input

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From: mARK hEMENWAY <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject: Re: Was Jack self destructive?

Some scholars suggest that Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome- caused by

Gerard's death, his father's death and other things are one of the root

causes of Jack's drinking.

Mark hemenway

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Was Jack self destructive?

In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:36:14 -0400 from <Philzi@TIAC.NET>

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:36:14 -0400 Phil Chaput said:

>Please don't kill the messenger just give your opinion. Phil

>I you feel Jack was self destructive what caused him to feel that way.

>Did he have a reason to drink himself to death? Can there ever be a reason

>for that?

>1 Strict French Catholic roots fighting internal homoerotic desires or just

>strong sexual desires.Tormented by what's right and wrong

>2 rejected over and over by mainstream publishers piss poor reviews constant

>rejection (even by friends) when he knows he is a genius.

>3 Felt like he didn't do enough in the war effort,Sammy and John two of his

>closest friends are killed, he served but not up to par with what his

>friends have seen, Billy a tail gunner,Tony OSS officer,Joe photographer on

>bombing runs

>4 Gerard dead, Father dead, Caroline dead ,Neal dead,others dead

>5 Fill in the blank- give some input

Yea, he was in physical and emotional pain and the booze which helped ease that

pain at first later made it even worse. But he was addicted -- couldn't live

with it and couldn't live without it.

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From: Jeff Taylor <taylorjb@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU>

Subject: French version of _The Job_

I recently found in my University library a copy of the original French

edition of Daniel Odier's interviews with Burroughs (_Entretiens avec

William Burroughs_ Paris: Editions Pierre Belfond, 1969) that was later

issued in English as _The Job_. I discovered that, while the questions

were the same, WSB's answers were often very different in the French than

what they were in the English. I haven't gone thru it all yet, but some

of the differences are interesting:

<< Q: You wrote: "Writing is fifty years behind painting." How can the gap

be closed?

[from _Entretiens avec William Burroughs_ p.18]

A: I did not write that, it was Brion Gysin, a painter. He meant that

techniques of montage had already been used in painting and that

painting has a much clearer idea of the nature of its mediums and of the

ways in which they can be used. I think the split between writing and

painting will remain until writers get some idea of what words are. For

the moment, they have no idea. There exists a set of very clearly

formulated theories on the nature of color. As Brion Gysin said, "Color is

a comet's tail." Words are certainly associated with sound like color is

associated with light. But the precise association, what words are, is an

unresolved question. I regret that writers do not know what their means

are, and until they know this, they will hardly be able to catch up with

painting.

[from _The Job_ (Penguin ed.) p.27-8]

A: I did not write that. Mr. Brion Gysin who is both painter and writer

wrote "writing is fifty years behind painting." Why this gap? Because the

painter can touch and handle his medium and the writer cannot. The

writer does not yet know what words are. He deals only with

abstractions from the source point of words. The painter's ability to

touch and handle his medium led to montage techniques sixty years

ago. It is to be hoped that the extension of cut-up techniques will lead to

more precise verbal experiments closing this gap and giving a whole

new dimension to writing. These techniques can show the writer what

words are and put him in tactile communication with his medium. This

in turn could lead to a precise science of words and show how certain

word combinations produce certain effects on the human nervous

system. >>

He seems much more certain in the latter answer than in the former about

the role of the cut-up method....I suspect his greater assurance comes

from the introduction of his "word as a virus" theory, which (at least as

far as I've read) seems absent in the earlier French. Does anyone know

exactly when WSB first came up with the word-as-virus idea? Sometime

around 1970 perhaps? And did he get any impetus for this theory from his

study of Scientology? (The "reactive mind," etc.)

***

Jeff Taylor

taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

"...the water from the stream, which was

cold and pure like snow and the crystal-

lidded eyes of heaven."

***

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From: Jeff Taylor <taylorjb@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU>

Subject: New Burroughs books?

I see the latest edition of Books in Print lists two WSB books as

forthcoming.

--What's apparently a second volume of letters, due out next summer

--A book called _Evil River_.

The only place in WSB's work I remember seeing the phrase "evil river" in

in _The Cat Inside_ p. 49: "I don't think anyone could write a completely

honest autobiography. I am sure no one could bear to read it: *My Past

Was an Evil River.*" So is this book some sort of autobiography? Or is it

about the Duad perhaps? Anyone have any further info on these books?

Also, Victor Bockris' _With William Burroughs: A Report from the Bunker_

is supposedly going to be reissued....

***

Jeff Taylor

taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

"...inky blue hues like that apocalyptic-

end-of-the-world blue light, the light of

subterranean stars, we've all seen in

tunnels especially subway tunnels--"

***

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 06:57:39 -0400

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From: William Miller <KenWNC@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Beatific Dogs and Burroughs: THE CAT INSIDE

In a message dated 96-06-25 11:37:01 EDT, Jens wrote:

>The Cat Inside is great, concerning dogs AND cats. I'm

>wondering if the US edition of The Cat Inside is as short as the

>German edition I own. So could anyone give me the information, how

>many of these wonderful prose sketches are contained within the US

>edition ?

>Jens Moellenhoff

>Email:

>jmoellen@nw80.cip.fak14.uni-muenchen.de

>jmoellen@sun1.cip.fak14.uni-muenchen.de

>Internet:

>http://www.fak14.uni-muenchen.de/~jmoellen/ (German Language)

>University of Munich, Germany

>*** Language is a Virus from Outer Space ***

>*** William S. Burroughs ***

===========================================================

A quick glance at my copy (a very slim hardback) --

94 pages, apparently 94 "prose sketches".

William Miller

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 06:57:19 -0400

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From: William Miller <KenWNC@AOL.COM>

Subject: Libraries and Beat Books

Hello folks.

William Miller here.

On a slightly different note, _The Cat Inside_ is the longest surviving

Burroughs book in our public library. (A close second is _The Third

Mind_...) It is surviving theft, I mean to say. A quick glance through the

catalog reveals dozens of titles by Burroughs and Kerouac which are ClmsLst

(Claims Lost) or Missing or ClmsRtd (Claims Returned). I'm postulating that

_TCI_ has survived so long because it's categorized as a Biography, away from

the Fiction under F BUR... (and away from browsers who don't locate books by

author in the catalog)

Stealing from libraries. I think they should be shot. Yasss. Heh heh.

I think it's a shame, and I wonder sometimes what sort of company i have in

Beat fans. (not you fine folks on the list, of course, but the ones who

visit my library...)

I found out about Burroughs, and had my interest in him stoked considerably,

by finding and reading _Literary Outlaw_. If it had not been on the shelf at

the library, I'd still be missing out on this great material....

Has anyone else noticed this situation about Beat Books in Libraries ?

Do any of you work in libraries?

William Miller

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From: "J.D. P. Lafrance" <J.D._P._Lafrance@RIDLEY.ON.CA>

Organization: Ridley College

Subject: Re: Libraries and Beat Books

at our local library here, almost all of Kerouac's books have been stolen - On

the Road, etc. Strangely, though Dr. Sax remains... perhaps it isn't

"mainstream" or well known enough to steal...?

bfn,

JDL

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From: SPOTS OF TIME <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject: Re: Libraries and Beat Books

Yes, I work in a college library and friends have asked me if I could rip off

some of the books in our beat collection (mostly Burroughs). I said no, of

course. Though I don't consider myself any kind of role model for morality, one

of the few things I consider sacred are the books in a library.

I am sure it is easy for a few people to justify stealing beat books from a

library, claiming poverty or thinking it is the cool thing to, or even what the

Beats would do themselves (well, maybe Corso would). But yeah, a theft could

prevent any young (or old) kid from that first eye awakening or satori

sensation of experiencing these writers for the first time. I too, remember

having those experiences of discovery with different writers thanks to a

library. So I have to agree, in many cases the Beats are the popular ones to be

stolen. But for some strange reason, Abbie Hoffman's STEAL HIS BOOK, remains on

the shelf.

Remember too, that books go out of print and cannot always be easily replaced.

So don't steal! Bad karma, like kicking a puppy!

Dave B.

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From: Jeff Taylor <TAYLORJB@VUCTRVAX.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Libraries and Beat Books

In-Reply-To: <960628065718_423511503@emout10.mail.aol.com>

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, William Miller wrote:

> On a slightly different note, _The Cat Inside_ is the longest surviving

> Burroughs book in our public library. (A close second is _The Third

> Mind_...) It is surviving theft, I mean to say.

> Stealing from libraries. I think they should be shot. Yasss. Heh heh.

> Has anyone else noticed this situation about Beat Books in Libraries ?

> Do any of you work in libraries?

I work in a university library, which is probably a lot different from a

public library, since we have the power to withhold important

things--like degress--from patrons who don't pay (cost of book+$15 late

fee+$30 processing fee) for their lost library

books. So theft is not much of a problem here. I don't think we've lost a

single Burroughs, Kerouac, or even Bukowski book in several years.

***

Jeff Taylor

taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

"'In the beginning was the Word and the

Word *was* God.' And what does that make

us? Ventriloquist's dummies."

***

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:22:24 -0400

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From: Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject: Re: Libraries and Beat Books

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:22:43 -0400 Jeff Taylor

<TAYLORJB%VUCTRVAX.BITNET@qucdn.queensu.ca> wrote:

> I work in a university library, which is probably a lot different from a

> public library, since we have the power to withhold important

> things--like degress--from patrons who don't pay (cost of book+$15 late

> fee+$30 processing fee) for their lost library

> books. So theft is not much of a problem here. I don't think we've lost a

> single Burroughs, Kerouac, or even Bukowski book in several years.

The situation is not much different at our university library. All the

Burroughs books except for Nova Express and Naked Lunch have been

scoffed. If our library actually had all the books that are listed in the

stacks it would be a great resource. Unfortunately anything of interest

that isn't protected by the sanctity of our rare book collection has been

stolen. Nothing is more annoying than when I see something like _Time_

from C-Press 1965 listed, feel the elation at finding something so rare,

and then discover when I look up the availablility that it is in regualar

circulation, and therefore missing. I actually discusse this very same

despicable situation off the list with another list member a while back.

Every time I think of it a little roiling pit of rage stirs in my

stomach, "Aaarrrrgggghhh!"

Sorry, have to calm down here. Anyhow, if it weren't for library thieves

The University of Waterloo library would have copies of _the book of

breeething_, _Time_, _The Third Mind_, _Cobble Stone Gardens_, _Ah Pook

Is Here_ and _White Subway_; a very respectable collection of small

press, limited edition books. Thankfully someone had the insight when it

was needed to put _APO-33_, _Dead Star_, _Darazt: An Anthology_, a first

edition _The Cat Inside_, and a first edition _the book of breeething_

(the one mentioned above was the Blue Wind reprint) in to the Rare Book

Collection.

So, yes, it is awful that people steal books from libraries, although I

think part of the reason the Beats are so often lifted is that they have

always been identified with subversive elements of society, and what could

be more subversive than stealing books from a Government sponsored

institution, Yee-haa stick it to the Man! ;-) ;-) (heavy dose of sarcasm)

I'm going to go do something relaxing before I get all upset at the

deplorable number of Burroughs books missing from our library...

Cheers,

Neil

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From: Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject: Satori In Paris <fwd>

Hey everybody, a list-member in distress couldn't get the message

through, so she asked me to post it:

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:37:47 -0400 Shar Fitzpatrick

<sfitzpat@pepps.pepperdine.de> wrote:

> Hello all. I need your assistance. I am going to Paris tonight at

> midnight which is 3 in LA, 4 in AZ, 5 in TX, and 6 in NY in the

> afternoon/evening. I wanted to visit all the places/churches JK went

> when he tried to find out his ancestry in Satori in Paris. I checked

all

> the wed sites and only a few listed this particular book, which is

great

> although it was later. Anyway, if you could help me...Thanks, Shar

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From: Dolores Neese <dolores@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: New Burroughs books?

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I read the Bockris book several months ago. It was very, very good.

> Also, Victor Bockris' _With William Burroughs: A Report from the Bunker_

> is supposedly going to be reissued....

> ***

> Jeff Taylor

> taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

> "...inky blue hues like that apocalyptic-

> end-of-the-world blue light, the light of

> subterranean stars, we've all seen in

> tunnels especially subway tunnels--"

> ***

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:02:35 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Libraries and Beat Books

In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:22:24 -0400 from

<nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Putting books in special collections is no guarantee that they won['t be stolen

either. Back in 1972, when I was writing my master's thesis on Kerouac, Excer

pts From Visions of Cody had been stolen from special collections at Columbia,

Harvard & U of Pennsylvania. Go figure!

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From: Paul McDonald - Bon Air Branch <PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>

Subject: Libraries and theft

I work for the Louisville Free Public Library and theft is a sad fact of life

that, unfortunately now extends to videos and audio tapes, the Kerouac tapes

in particular. We have restocked the Penguin Editions of Kerouac's books, but

a lot of our Ginsberg material, like the "Howl" drafts with notes, is long

gone.

We have had a lot of problems in Louisville trying to convince the community

about the need for a library. Our funding is woefully inadequete and a tax

referendum for the library was voted down. There is also an element that

chooses to not only steal but to vandalize. A number of books having to do

with AIDS, homosexuality and President Clinton have been stolen, had

chapters torn out, or, in the case of the President, had all kinds of

inappropriate remarks about his wife inked in the paragraphs (we did however,

catch this guy). An ultra-right fundamentalist group has even tried to link

us to NAMBLA and the persecution of Christians. This group does not seem to be

sophisticated enough to even know about the Beats, however. They always seem

to target children's books and claim that we are under Satan's influence.

Paul

p.s. Prozac spelled backwards is Ukranian for Lucifer.

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Libraries and theft

Here is a related phenonemon that I encountered way too many times.

You spend a lot of time going through indexes or resources and find

articles or book reviews in old magazines. You go find the old issue on

the stacks open to the page where it should be and the article about

kerouac is torn out. Just ripped out.

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From: beep <MULBPOLL@MIZZOU1.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Libraries and theft

In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:54:18 -0700 from

<gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

I've worked at university libraries for eight years now and have

encountered some of the most creative ways to steal books, but

there's one method I've learned to just laugh at (then take the

book back): a patron thinks the security system is linked to the

barcode, rips the barcode out, and proceeds through the front door

as if nothing's wrong. The shock on their face when the alarm goes

off is funny enough, but when they try to *lie* their way through

("I didn't know it was in my backpack...oh, I meant to check that

out...") is the best as the guard opens the book and finds a ripped

backcover where the barcode used to reside.

I think someone said this earlier, but it bears repeating: if only

people realized they're hurting themselves when they do this (raising

taxes, tuition, fees, to replace the books)!!

Just my 2 cents worth. I shall return to lurkdom now.

beep

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From: Ben Moore <ARoadToad@AOL.COM>

Subject: Cassavetes' Shadows

This posting is sightly off-topic, but thought it might be of interest to

some.

I just found Cassavetes' Shadows at my video store. Apparently they have

finally released it on video this year. Although not really a beat film, it

was filmed in 1959 from a script "improvised" by Cassavetes and presents a

glimpse of life among the younger generation in New York at that time.

It's his first film, crude, New York school style filmmaking, but gave me a

genuine feel for the times.

Ben Moore

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From: Dolores Neese <dolores@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Cassavetes' Shadows

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I saw the film, Shadows, when it first came out. I was in my senior year

at high school, and spent a lot of time after school hanging out at a

nearby coffee house, which was the cool thing to do for the

acting/theater crowd at my high school. The anticipation for this film

was great, and we all thought it was fantastic! Being on the west coast

and Cassavetes' film being about the east coast, well, we thought the

people in New York were the greatest thing going!

Dolores

On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Ben Moore wrote:

> This posting is sightly off-topic, but thought it might be of interest to

> some.

> I just found Cassavetes' Shadows at my video store. Apparently they have

> finally released it on video this year. Although not really a beat film, it

> was filmed in 1959 from a script "improvised" by Cassavetes and presents a

> glimpse of life among the younger generation in New York at that time.

> It's his first film, crude, New York school style filmmaking, but gave me a

> genuine feel for the times.

> Ben Moore