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Gerry,
Despite
what anyone may say about you elaborating on your own position in all
these
posts, I for one, am glad to be able to hear about so many fascinating
aspects
to JK and his legacy that I believe you're in a unique position to
comment
on. A few questions that spring to
mind:
1). Why did the Sampas family do little with the
estate from 1973 (when
Memere
died) to 1990 (when Stella died). Was
it because as I think you said
in
Memory Babe and maybe others have said too Stella hated Jack's "dirty
writings"
and even threatened to burn them? Was
it because there was no real
market
for the material before the early 90's or did the various releases
trigger
the market? I'm assuming many in the
Sampas family were helpful when
you
were researching Memory Babe in the late 70's/early 80's.
2). You mentioned JK's executor was Citizen's
National Bank of St. Pete.
Are they still in the picture somehow today
or is that all ancient history?
3). Why do you believe Allen Ginsberg sat on the
fence on this whole estate
issue? I understand he didn't support Jan, but I
never heard he denounced
her
claims either.
Jerry
Cimino
Fog
City
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From: "Dale F. Smith"
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Subject: Re: more on dope
<<<Individual
freedom is not marked by the absence of constraints. Freedom
comes
from the soul, through exercising the heart and mind, and for those that
have
attained it, no prison can hold them.
Kleb>>>
yessa
yessa yessa!
Dale F.
Smith
dale@pcanything.com
The
darkness drops again; but now I know
That
twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were
vexed to nightmere by a rocking cradle,
And
what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches
towards Bethlehem to be born?
---W.B.
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From: PAM <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>
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At
02:42 AM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Gerry,
>
>Despite
what anyone may say about you elaborating on your own position in all
>these
posts, I for one, am glad to be able to hear about so many fascinating
>aspects
to JK and his legacy that I believe you're in a unique position to
>comment
on. A few questions that spring to
mind:
>
>1). Why did the Sampas family do little with the
estate from 1973 (when
>Memere
died) to 1990 (when Stella died). Was
it because as I think you said
>in
Memory Babe and maybe others have said too Stella hated Jack's "dirty
>writings"
and even threatened to burn them? Was
it because there was no real
>market
for the material before the early 90's or did the various releases
>trigger
the market? I'm assuming many in the
Sampas family were helpful when
>you
were researching Memory Babe in the late 70's/early 80's.
>
>2). You mentioned JK's executor was Citizen's
National Bank of St. Pete.
>
Are they still in the picture somehow today or is that all ancient history?
>
>3). Why do you believe Allen Ginsberg sat on the
fence on this whole estate
>issue? I understand he didn't support Jan, but I
never heard he denounced
>her
claims either.
>
>
>Jerry
Cimino
>Fog
City
>Hi
all! To be exact. Allen Ginsberg told a number of us in Lowell that in
his
discussions with Stella, he asked about the unreleased works. She
quoted,
" I wanted to wait until the right time when Jack would be
appreciated.
I did not want the books to merely fade into obscurity." I
think
we can look forward to numerous releases in the next few years. Among
them...the
publication of Jack's notebooks. Good Day All!
Paul of The
Kerouac
Quarterly.
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Subject: Re: Looking For Jack: grocery and other
haunts
PAM
wrote:
>
>
>Hi Dave! You can recieve a copy for $5.00. Try submitting your poem for
>
publication if you want. You may send both (or one or the other) to:
>
The Kerouac Quarterly
> 34
North Rd. #7
>
Chelmsford, MA. 01824 Thanks, Paul...
so i'm
thinkin' about submitting the grocery poem to KQ. could people
more
versed in verse be so kind as to send me some suggestions for
editing
and revisions. please be brutal.
then
i'll work it a bit massage it here and there and there and here
and
then figure out a way to get my printer running so that i can print
it and
send it earthmail.
i
appreciate ideas from anyone out there.
we're all born critics - just
some
are born nice and polite too :)
david
rhaesa
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From: Bill Gargan
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Subject: Re: Jake Barnes is beat (was "More
on dope")
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On Fri,
2 May 1997 15:37:45 CDT Wes Lundburg said:
>Someone
wrote:
>
>>
>>Isn't
it pretty to think so!
>>
>
>Thanks,
Jake Barnes. If it's alcohol, surely
Lady Brett would think so....
>
>Now,
speaking of Jake Barnes, I would say he IS beat. In fact, I think the
>post-war
disillusioned crowd (the lost generation) is the precursor for the
>beats. They, too, were fed up with life and the
illusion of "how things are"
>and
its failure to match up to the dream we all live for. The difference is
>that
the lost generation didn't see--couldn't see, perhaps--that there was
>something
to reach for, as I think the beats did see.
The lost generation was
>disillusioned,
and that's it. The beats were
disillusioned, but wouldn't let
>go
>of
the desire to find something better.
>
>---Wes
Agreed.
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From: William Morgan
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Subject: Re: Attila's questions, final chapter
To
readers of the list:
In one
of Gerald Nicosia's posts he noted that:
"If
Sampas is presently negotiating with a
library,
why can't he tell us? Ginsberg let it
be known a year in advance
that he
was negotiating with Stanford, and it did not hurt his negotiations."
Just wanted to set the record straight, this
is not true. Negotiations with
Stanford
took less than a month, and until the agreement was reached no one
knew
(nor was it anyone's business to know) that any negotiations were
underway.
Allen's
legacy should be remembered in his oft-quoted saying "Candor prevents
paranoia".
Bill
Morgan
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Subject: Ginsy's position on "the
squabble"
Bill
Morgan,
I
really like that line a lot... "Candor prevents paranoia".
You too
are in a unique position to elaborate on Allen's thoughts regarding
the
"Estate Controversy". Could
you also answer the same question I just
posed
to Gerry Nicosia - what were Allen's thoughts on the matter?
Jerry
Cimino
Fog
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Subject: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
Dear
Bill Morgan:
OK, I'm curious about the Stanford
thing, because I remember
Ginsberg
talking to me at least twice about the Stanford negotiations, and
as far
as I remember, both times were before the archive actually landed at
Stanford. Do you have a date for when the the actual
document transferring
ownership
of Ginsberg's archive was signed? I
have an exact date for at
least
one of my meetings with Allen when we talked about this, because at
that
meeting, witnessed by two other Kerouac scholars, Allen signed and
dated
posters for us.
I'm not doubting you, I may well be
wrong (i.e., he may already have
sold
the archive secretly before he talked to me), but if you give me a
date,
I'll know for sure.
Thanks for helping to get this point
straight.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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From: PAM <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>
Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
I only
have one thing that puzzles me...if there was never anything
deposited
at the New York Public Library...how come when they had a show
highlighting
rare manuscripts they owned, a significant amount of it was
Kerouac's?
I have a catalog of the show in front of me right now and it does
not
appear to me that nothing is in there. When I have time I will type up
what is
on the list....one of those is a novel Jack wrote called "Bnzedrine
Vision"Or
all of the notebooks to Mexico City Blues, drawings, letters, a
couple
of sonnets, and other things. Remember, these are highlights of
material
owned by the NYC Public Library, not everything. The name of the
show
was The Hand of the Poet held from August 16th, 1996 - February 15,
1997.
This is something no one has commented on but can be found out with
minimal
research. Thanks, paul...
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Subject: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
Response
to Paul Maher's question:
What is all that Kerouac stuff doing
in the New York Public Library?
The NYPL has been building a
Beat/Kerouac collection since the 60's.
It is
indeed one of the best in the country. One of their early
acquisitions
was the manuscript of SATORI IN PARIS, which supposedly Fred
Jordan
had simply held on to after Grove published the book. They have been
buying
up Kerouac/Beat stuff whenever and wherever they can find it--IF THEY
CAN AFFORD
IT. They reputedly bought a large
collection of stuff from Ann
Charters
last year for a quarter million bucks.
Both MEX CITY BLUES notebooks and BOOK
OF DREAMS manuscripts are in
the
NYPL. However, according to Jeffrey
Weinberg, both were sold to PRIVATE
COLLECTORS,
and later resold to the NYPL. There is
even a polaroid of the
BOOK OF
DREAMS notebook being sold to the private collector. Also, by the
way,
Jack typed several versions of MEX CITY BLUES, and I don't think the
library
has all those typed drafts--though I welcome Rodney Phillips (the
acquisition
librarian) or anyone else at the NYPL to comment on this.
Jan and I asked Rodney Phillips if he
had ever BOUGHT ANY KEROUAC
MATERIAL
DIRECTLY FROM SAMPAS. My recollection
is that he said no, though
there
may have been a few things (letters of Jack to Stella?) that Sampas
did
sell to the library. We asked why he
hadn't bought the manuscripts,
other
notebooks, etc., and he said the prices Sampas was asking were too
high. He did say that Sampas had DONATED A BUNCH
OF XEROXES OF KEROUAC
LETTERS
to the library.
Sampas also allowed the NYPL to SHOW
THE ON THE ROAD MANUSCRIPT,
without
selling it to them.
The NYPL would of course love to buy
the entire Kerouac archive, but
the
most they could pay for it is one million dollars (for everything,
thousands
of different pieces). Sampas has
declined to sell it to them at
that
price (apparently not enough).
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Yes...but
isn't it fit to ponder that the dealer in question may be
representing
the estate? I couldn't see the estate directly peddling this
important
material to libraries without a middle man....
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: New Q's for Nicosia
To
answer Jerry Cimino's questions:
(By the way, I realize I haven't
answered everybody's questions in
the
order they came in, and I still have a long backlog to answer, but I
have
been trying to answer the most "urgent" questions first--urgent in
terms
of the Albuquerque court case and also those that relate to the need
to get
Kerouac's papers into a library NOW.)
As for me elaborating my position,
well, as Thoreau might say, I
know my
own side better than anyone else.
But I keep saying, I'd like others to
correct me where I'm wrong or
my
memory has faltered. (The past few
years have been awfully busy, trying
to
finish my own 1600 page Vietnam veteran book, raising a family, helping
Jan
Kerouac. There are plenty of times when
I make honest mistakes or
misremember
things.)
I also keep saying, I'd like John
Sampas, or one of his close
associates,
to come forward here to represent HIS side of affairs. Isn't
that
what the internet is all about? Open
discussion, the equivalent of
"conversation
on a street corner," the most recent court decision called it.
Nobody's
going to get hurt here, we all want to find out the truth about
these
matters--at least those of us who care about the future of scholarly
study
in the Beat and Kerouac fields. I have
no desire to perform a
monologue
on this subject.
You ask why the Sampas family did
almost nothing with Kerouac's
estate
from 1973 (the death of Memere) to 1990 (the death of Stella).
Stella
was in control--at least nominally--during those years. The word in
Lowell,
especially from her brothers, was that she sought to "protect Jack"
from
all the dirty things biographers wanted to write about him. At that
point,
Charters' biography was the only one out, and the word was that
Stella
hated it, felt it slandered Jack and his family. One reason the
Sampases
cooperated with me so much at that time was because they wanted to
bury
Charters' biography. Now, ironically,
the situation is reversed, and
they
have annointed Ann Charters as their spokesperson mainly to get rid of
me and
MEMORY BABE.
Yes, there was word at the "inner
circle" in Nicky's Bar that Stella
contemplated
burning all Jack's papers, rather than let any scholars or
biographers
(the people she hated most) see them.*
(*As a historical footnote, the
"inner circle" at Nicky's was an
actual
round table far in the back, at which sat, at different times, Tony
Sampas,
Nick Sampas, Billy Koumantzelis, Joe Chaput, Pancho Gonzales, a
famous
Brinks robber who was Tony's friend, Chiefy Nobriga, a bartender who
went
way way back with Tony, and myself, thanks to Tony's accepting me into
the
circle.**)
(**Second historical footnote. Tony Sampas helped me hugely with my
biography,
took me upstairs in Nicky's to show me drawers full of Kerouac
notebooks
and manuscripts, played private Kerouac tapes for me, etc. And
despite
all this bickering with the "Sampas family," which mainly has to do
with
John Sampas's opposition to me and my book, Tony and I have never
fallen
out. In fact, a couple of years ago in
Lowell, I saw Tony in a bar,
and I
walked over to his table. I said,
"Tony, nobody in your family will
talk to
me any more. Are YOU still talking to
me?" He said, "Of course, I
never
stopped talking to you." And we
sat down and caught up on a lot of
years.)
To some extent, John Sampas and other
members of Stella's family
have
kept up her campaign to "protect Jack's memory." I received complaints
from
some of them that my biography made Jack look like 1) a homosexual 2) a
drunk
3) a man who was rude to women; and 4) that I made people think Jack
wanted
to divorce Stella--all of which they deny is true. From 300
interviews,
and 20 years of scholarship, I still conclude that 1) Jack was a
practicing
bisexual 2) he was a drunk and died from alcohol; 3) he could be
very
rude to women or anyone else when drunk; and 4) he absolutely wanted to
divorce
Stella.
Recently I heard from Steve Turner
that John Sampas had hassled him
over
his book ANGELHEADED HIPSTER, and that he had wanted Turner to remove
passages
referring to Jack's alcoholism and bisexuality.
In 1983, when I was invited (because
of MEMORY BABE) to speak at a
big
convention of the National Society of Arts & Letters in Clearwater
Beach,
Florida, I drove over to St. Pete, with my mother (to seem less
threatening)
and knocked on Stella's door. I wanted
to tell her that,
indeed,
my book had brought honor, not disgrace, to Jack, and to invite her
to
attend my keynote speech on Kerouac at the NSAL dinner in Clearwater that
evening.
Stella slammed the door in my face. Then her sister reopened the
door
and apologized that Stella hadn't been well.
Nowadays I think there may be one more
plausible explanation. If
Gabe's
will WAS forged, and IF STELLA KNEW IT, she may have wanted to keep
as far
from biographers and the press as possible, to keep that crime hidden.
After Gabe's death, Citizen's National
Bank of St. Pete went out of
the
picture, and Stella became the executor for the Estate of Gabrielle
Kerouac. Then John Sampas became the executor for the
Estate of Stella
Sampas
Kerouac. I mention this only because,
when John Sampas calls himself
Jack
Kerouac's literary executor, there is an implication that Jack picked
him for
this job.
I have never fully understood Allen's
refusal to help Jan, which
wounded
Jan deeply. I wish Bill Morgan could
shed some light on this. I
have
often speculated that it had to do with Ann Charters assuring Allen
(and he
trusted her) that the Sampases were taking great care of Jack's
stuff. Of course Ann Charters was well compensated
for promoting the
Sampases'
position.
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Subject: digests
question-
how does one get off the digest mode?
SET BEAT-L NORMAL....?
SET BEAT-L NONDIGEST....?
?
being
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downloaded
digestlists and such, ere go, i may as well go back to the regular
mode of
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Subject: Re: May Day Blues-May Day Reds
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>i've
been checking my door, mailbox and e-mail (even my bathroom window)
>every
ten seconds or so since three this morning hoping to catch a
>maybasket.
>
>hope
y'all get maybaskets.
>
>this
can be an imaginary cyber-basket on May Day.
include what ever you
>like
in yours.
>
>david
rhaesa
>
>haven't
got the old may Pole out yet. i think
it's rusty.
dr,
In
Chicago for May Day. Great May Day feast and celebration with friends.
Returned
to Madison to find a May Basket--my first in years. In the basket
a copy
of the Progressive Oklahoman, odds and ends of clippings regarding
Socialism,
an invitation to the Haymarket Tour May 11 and some red jelly
beans.
That basket and your post has me marking my calender. Next year I'm
going
to hang baskets--introduce the kids in the neighborhood to the
original,
US, worker's holiday.
Reminds
me of a conversation with Meridel LeSueur years ago. She was down
in
Mexico. Had stopped in a little town (she'd forgotten the name) Was
sitting
on the edge of the fountain in the center of the town square and
noticed
that the names of the Haymarket Square vistims were enlaid on the
stone
work arounf the foundation of the structure.
As a
kid on a north country farm (Mnesota) the hanging of baskets on May
Day was
much more popular that trick 'n treating on Halloween.
Thanks
for the cyber-basket. Real treat. I'll roll a cyber-number and kick
back.
jo
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>Charlie
Plymell, I love your reminiscences, and wonder when (or if you have
>already)
written a book of them. But here's a
slight correction. I may be
>mistaken,
but I could swear Al Aronowitz told me he'd introduced Dylan to
>Ginsberg
in 1961-1962. (Aronowitz was the guy
who did the great 1959 NY
>POST
series on the Beats, and later was their rock pop columnist in the
>Sixties,
the guy who introduced Dylan to the Beatles and gave the Beatles
>their
first hit of marijuana, etc.) We could
all find out if somebody
>emailed
Al, who's considered himself the Blacklisted Journalist for the last
>two
decades, at blackj@bigmagic.com.
> Best, Gerry Nicosia
Read
some of the great material Al Aronowitz wrote at:
http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/
and
hope this material can end up in a book someday.
j grant
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On Fri,
2 May 1997, Gerald Nicosia wrote:
> Mr. Sampas dominates every aspect of
Jack Kerouac scholarship today.
> He
dictated to Ann Charters what Kerouac letters could be published, and
>
which ones couldn't, and which parts had to be censored.
What's
this?
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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
At
11:49 AM 5/3/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Response
to Paul Maher's question:
> What is all that Kerouac stuff doing
in the New York Public Library?
> The NYPL has been building a
Beat/Kerouac collection since the 60's.
>It
is indeed one of the best in the country.
One of their early
>acquisitions
was the manuscript of SATORI IN PARIS, which supposedly Fred
>Jordan
had simply held on to after Grove published the book. They have been
>buying
up Kerouac/Beat stuff whenever and wherever they can find it--IF THEY
>CAN
AFFORD IT. They reputedly bought a
large collection of stuff from Ann
>Charters
last year for a quarter million bucks.
> Both MEX CITY BLUES notebooks and BOOK
OF DREAMS manuscripts are in
>the
NYPL. However, according to Jeffrey
Weinberg, both were sold to PRIVATE
>COLLECTORS,
and later resold to the NYPL. There is
even a polaroid of the
>BOOK
OF DREAMS notebook being sold to the private collector. Also, by the
>way,
Jack typed several versions of MEX CITY BLUES, and I don't think the
>library
has all those typed drafts--though I welcome Rodney Phillips (the
>acquisition
librarian) or anyone else at the NYPL to comment on this.
> Jan and I asked Rodney Phillips if he
had ever BOUGHT ANY KEROUAC
>MATERIAL
DIRECTLY FROM SAMPAS. My recollection
is that he said no, though
>there
may have been a few things (letters of Jack to Stella?) that Sampas
>did
sell to the library. We asked why he hadn't
bought the manuscripts,
>other
notebooks, etc., and he said the prices Sampas was asking were too
>high. He did say that Sampas had DONATED A BUNCH
OF XEROXES OF KEROUAC
>LETTERS
to the library.
> Sampas also allowed the NYPL to SHOW
THE ON THE ROAD MANUSCRIPT,
>without
selling it to them.
> The NYPL would of course love to buy
the entire Kerouac archive, but
>the
most they could pay for it is one million dollars (for everything,
>thousands
of different pieces). Sampas has declined
to sell it to them at
>that
price (apparently not enough).
>
>Gerry,
I just looked at an uncorrected proof of "Some of the Dharma" and on
one of
the first pages it states that the manuscript/notebooks (maybe 8 of
them
can't remember how many)for "Some of the Dharma" were placed in the
Berg
collection of the New York Public Library in 1993 by John Sampas. What
do you
have to say about that? If it's not true why would it be in the book?
By the
way Gerry the folks at Lowell Celebrates Kerouac all work very hard
to
promote Kerouac and you are doing a terrible disservice when you go and
try to
put us down because in your mind we are all part of the Sampas
conspiracy
theory. I can assure you that many of the decent folks that work
hard to
put this festival on every year don't know or care about your
squabbles
with the Sampas family. Ed Sanders the main feature at the
festival
last year did do a nice little tribute to Jan Kerouac at the
festival.
You know what his hotel bill was paid isn't that amazing? I'm not
sure
but the probable reason you or Jan haven't been asked to speak is
because
it's not "Lowell Celebrates Lawsuits" it's "Lowell Celebrates
Kerouac"
and I'm quite sure that is what your agenda would be. It seems to
be your
only one lately. We accept donations from anyone willing to give and
I
haven't heard of any checks coming in from you ever. Maybe you would like
it
better if no one donated anything and we didn't promote Kerouac at all in
Lowell.
It seems like that is what you want. Keep your beef with John
private
and don't try to drag down people that truly want to do some good
and
promote Kerouac. Phil Chaput
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Gatt implications to intellectual
property....
Nick,
First of all, thanks for your sig file
with its the regular reminder
of the
proper approach to getting -
"don't let the bastards grind you down"
...lots
better than my two Roman legionaire standbyes, "Nolo urinare contra
ventum."
and "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Reading about the confused situation
regarding the Kerouac estate,
and now
seeing the intricacies of copyright renewal and the potential for
misses,
has been an odd mix of feeling disheartened together with a sense of
tension
and suspense as each new twist is unveiled.
The digitization idea of Michael Stutz
is an excellent one and made
me
wonder if there is much web access to digitized works of the size of the
Kerouac
novels. The Gatt twist seems an incredibly important development in
the
intellectual property area. What are the specific limitations to
applying
this. Is it obscure enough that Gerald Nicosia or the Sampas family
would
have missed the chance that it provided?
Gerald / Gerry?
This seems to make it important to have/build an index of what
the
copyright
renewal options are on the whole body of Beat lierature even
though
we're ten to twenty years past the critical time period for renewal.
Does
the publishing industry maintain such a resource? Anyway,I hope that
you and
the otehrs involved in publishing in all its froma will continue to
educate
us.
Thanks Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
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Subject: Cornix?
Michael,
What's the Cornix web applet that you
refer to?
>I
heard there was absolutely no punctuation in the original OTR. I want to
>use
the Cornix web applet (http://www.halcyon.com/chigh/corndemo.html) on
>said
ASCII file of OTR to view it word-at-a-time on giant screens.
On big screens? Why?
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
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need a cop to tell him what to do!"
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>
Subject: Old memory
Comments:
To: gnicosia@earthlink.net
The
other eve. I read in the K battles that someone was called "piece of
trash"
or something to that effect. Also a
while back someone asked me about
the bar
scene after the Buckley show and said that was Allen's last meeting
with K
and were they arguing? My trashy memory
is coming back: After getting
K
disengaged from Capote we went to a trashy bar and occupied a large booth.
I was
wedged beside two dorky guys who kept ordering beer and shots. I was
thinking
to myself they must have been the only people K could have found to
drive
him into the city. I don't like to sit in bars much but can if there is
interesting
company. I sat mostly silent because I felt there was little to
talk
about. Allen was having a serious conversation with K. but I didn't pay
much
attention because it seem Allen was always having serious conversations
even
when everyone else was drinking. K was drunk or drunker. It wasn't a
happy
bar like setting, and now that I think of it, the atmosphere was
imposing.
I sat on the oustide, so I could walk around frequently because I
felt I
had nothing to say except small talk about driving to or from the
city.
We stayed there for an hour or two. I remember now that Allen, always
the
polite one, had earlier introduced these two guys, or at least one of
them as
a relative of K's.
Can
anyone help me discern historically the import of the evening?
Charles
Plymell
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Dylan-Plymell
Comments:
To: blackj@bigmagic.com, gnicosia@earthlink.net
In a
message dated 97-05-02 08:57:26 EDT, you write:
<<
>
> In a message dated 97-05-01 13:12:00
EDT, you write:
>
> << Charlie Plymell, I love your
reminiscences, and wonder when (or if you
> have
>
already) written a book of them.
But here's a slight correction.
I may
be
>
mistaken, but I could swear Al Aronowitz told me he'd introduced Dylan
to
>
Ginsberg in 1961-1962.
(Aronowitz was the guy who did the great 1959 NY
>
POST series on the Beats, and later was their rock pop columnist in the
>
Sixties, the guy who introduced Dylan to the Beatles and gave the
Beatles
>
their first hit of marijuana, etc.)
We could all find out if somebody
>
emailed Al, who's considered himself the Blacklisted Journalist for the
last
>
two decades, at blackj@bigmagic.com.
>
Best, Gerry Nicosia
>
>>
> Gerry: You may be correct. Al (whom I've recently been in touch
with...and
> fwd'd this post) is credited with having
introduced them. That seems early
> for my recollection in the Fall of
'63 when I played Dylan's
"Blowing"
for
> him. He either said or it was assumed by
all present that he hadn't heard
it.
> It may be that he hadn't heard that
album, or it may be he was playing
mum,
> or hadn't heard him sing? It's an
interesting assertion and thanks for
> calling my attention to it...makes me
wonder? No, I'm not writing any more
> memiors, just on the list.
> C.Plymell
don't understand. Does Plymell claim that he intro'd Allen to BoB? Can
I see his reminiscences? --Al
--
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Al Aronowitz THE BLACKLISTED JOURNALIST
http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj >>
Al,
Gerry, and Beat-L:
..er
what claim did I make exactly? I'm sure that I played D's album to Allen
in
1963. By all accounts of those present and Karen Wright who brought the
album
to Gough St. Allen hadn't heard it. I don't see anything in my post
that
makes the claim that I introduced Allen to Bob which I didn't. I am
interested
in the dates of Al's meeting and did Allen seem receptive to
Dylan's
music at that time?
Charles
Plymell
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Subject: Ann Charters article on Estate Battle
The
other day someone mentioned Ann Charters wrote an article giving "the
other
sides" version of the estate battle.
Could someone summarize it so
those
of us who haven't read it know what points she made.
Thanks
Jerry
Cimino
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From: Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
What
this IS is another of Gerry's garbled, exaggerated, self-serving
paranoid
delusions, based mostly upon his child-like "wish-thinking" view of
the
world we inhabit.
As
Gerry knows, there are problems with the editing of SELECTED LETTERS --
mistakes,
undeclared cuts, and even questionable/debatable cuts in places --
but to
extrapolate from that situation, to
this new fantasy of his that John
Sampas
DICTATED precisely which letters were to be included in the book (and
which
were to be left out?), and which parts of those letters were to be cut,
is
utter nonsense. Gerry knows this, unless he has surrendered utterly to his
delusions,
but -- Beat-List people! -- for the time being it serves Gerry's
purpose
that you all accept HIS version of the truth, in this matter, and in
every
other Estate matter discussed on the List this week. John Sampas is the
world's
worst villain. Ann Charters is either his skilled, paid henchman, or
his
willing stooge -- whichever version Gerry is peddling at a given moment.
Myself,
I am also, it now seems, one of John's close allies -- this fiction
is
posted by Gerry even though he has himself written, in several articles,
about
exactly how it was that I ended up, permanently, on the unwritten
Sampas
"Enemies List."
But our
wee Gerry wears people down -- he exhausts them frankly. For myself,
at the
end of a painful week, brevity, if not complete silence, seems the
best
reponse. So, just one final thought. I
really liked Mark Hemenway's
notion,
a while back, that nothing in this matter is what it might first seem
to you
to be, and that the only way to sort things out is to do some research
on your
own. Don't just listen to Gerry, don't just listen to ME, don't JUST
LISTEN
to anybody! Ask questions. And be sceptical -- very sceptical -- of
the
answers.
All for
now. CHEERS, Rod A.
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
I'm
certainly not an expert on this and am trying hard not to be.
Important
as this matter is to serious K. scholars my reaction is "what
a
dismal tiring mess Jack's estate was."
I tend to read the posts
quickly
and delete quickly. But two things keep
bothering me. I
remember
when the whole business of Jan's claims kept coming up I was
waiting
to hear from AG who I thought probably had something important
to
say. He never emerged as one of Jan's
supporters, unlike people who
had
little contact with Kerouac like Kesey and Co.
I hope someone, Bill
Morgan
perhaps, can shed some light on this.
Ann Charters has not been
heard
from in this list discussion. It seems
she would deserve to be
heard
as a respectable Kerouac scholar also.
I think I agree with Rod
that
big doses of scepticism are called for in regard to anybodies
claims
in this affair.
James
Stauffer
Rod
Anstee wrote: . . .
Don't just listen to Gerry, don't just listen
to ME, don't JUST
>
LISTEN to anybody! Ask questions. And be sceptical -- very sceptical -- of
>
the answers.
>
All for now. CHEERS, Rod A.
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
Rod
Anstee wrote:
>
>
What this IS is another of Gerry's garbled, exaggerated, self-serving
>
paranoid delusions, based mostly upon his child-like "wish-thinking"
view
of... For myself,
> at
the end of a painful week, brevity, if not complete silence, seems the
>
best reponse. So, just one final thought.
I really liked Mark Hemenway's
>
notion, a while back, that nothing in this matter is what it might first seem
> to
you to be, and that the only way to sort things out is to do some research
> on
your own. Don't just listen to Gerry, don't just listen to ME, don't JUST
>
LISTEN to anybody! Ask questions. And be sceptical -- very sceptical -- of
>
the answers.
>
All for now. CHEERS, Rod A.
this
has been a interesting and informative thread for me. having
listened
to many sides, and learned a lot about history and copyright
and the
libraries, i have to state that, lack of information in some of
these
posts, that use vindictive namecalling and vicious intimidation
instead
of thought, reason, and facts to support their veiw make me
think
of two different cliches
wheres
the beef,
i am
glad to be a woman, (meaning to cherish the logical mind with the
cool
objective reason that there is probably no right, little justice
and
that the case in court will be best decided in court). I am most
interested
in, was the will forged, are the papers safe and will the
ever
really be accesible.
I do not wish to remember a jack k who didn't drink. or wasn't
sometimes
an ass hole, or one that didn't change literature into
something
just a little more alive. I am pretty sure he was at least
those
three things.
patricia
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Subject: Re: t-shirts
At
04:27 PM 4/30/97 EDT, you wrote:
>Three
cheers for Jeffrey on a job well done!
>
>Bill
or Jeff, what are these shirts going to be? Will it say beat-l on them
I
haven't been following the post like I should have and now that I am
reading
it it sounds like it will be nice.Keep me informed. Phil Chaput
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
At
10:11 PM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>What
this IS is another of Gerry's garbled, exaggerated, self-serving
>paranoid
delusions, based mostly upon his child-like "wish-thinking" view of
>the
world we inhabit.
Well, I've got to give Rod Anstee
credit--he managed to get seven
insults
into one sentence. That's probably a
record. He gave up trying to
prove
that I'm a self-serving Macchiavellian and has now reverted to
Sampas's
earlier claims: that I'm just a crazy man.
"Don't listen to Nicosia--he's
just a nut they should have locked up
long
ago."
Fine, guys, but the judge in
Albuquerque didn't think so.
I wish Rod would come clean for once,
and tell you all that he is a
Kerouac
collector. He bought up a bunch of
pieces of the Kerouac archive
for
himself, through his friend Jeffrey Weinberg.
Then he was honest enough
for a
while to tell me what was going on; but what happened is Sampas got
mightily
pissed at him for blowing the whistle, and then Annie Charters, his
old
buddy, got so pissed at him for blabbing that she cut out the big thank
you she
gave him in the acknowledgements of Kerouac's SELECTED LETTERS. In
the
galley proofs she thanked him profusely; by the time the book came out,
she
lumped him in with seventeen other people who "also helped."
Rod's letter is preposterous. If any of you have been following
last
week's letters, I have said over and over again that I would like to
put all
the bad feelings, angry words, on both sides behind John Sampas and
myself--that
as Jan Kerouac's literary executor, I would like to work with
him on
getting the Kerouac archive on deposit in a library, and I am willing
to
begin speaking with him about this on any terms he chooses. I have
called
for John Sampas to join in a dialogue on the subject of preserving
Kerouac's
archive, here on the internet. I have
said I have no grudge
against
John Sampas, and that I want to see only 3 things--John Sampas do
right
by Jack Kerouac's work, by his daughter's memory, and by his family
(Paul
Blake, Jr.) I have never called John
Sampas "the world's worst
villain." This is pure Anstee poppycock.
I did not say Sampas "dictated
precisely which letters" were
included
in the book--again, this is Anstee talking, not Nicosia. I did say
Sampas
told Charters that certain letters couldn't be published, certain
ones
(especially those to Sammy and Stella) could and should be, and he also
made
sure certain passages--especially those dealing with Jack's bisexuality
and
other "dark side" characteristics--be taken out. Back in the days when
Ann
Charters was still talking to me (circa August 1993) we had a long talk
on the
phone, and she told me of the problems she was having with Sampas
censoring
the collection. I suggested she use my
archive at U Mass, Lowell,
because
I had a lot of letters from Kerouac to his girlfriends, such as Lois
Sorrells. Ann told me Sampas didn't want her putting
in Jack's letters to
his
girlfriends--it detracted from his relationship with Stella. Ann also
told me
that Sampas had forbidden her to put in any letters from Joyce
Johnson,
because the Sampases were furious with Johnson after a piece she
had
written about their relationship with Kerouac in FAME magazine. More
recently,
Ann gave an interview to a literary magazine in which she talked
about
some of the things John Sampas asked her to take out of the letters.
Those of you who looked closely at the text of the letters saw
that
there
were TWO HUNDRED ELLIPSES, that's two hundred places where you see ...
(dot
dot dot) indicating material was removed.
I've traced a number of
those
passages down in copies of Kerouac letters I have, and many of them
have to
do with sexual and other "dark side" issues of Kerouac--including
his
antisemitism. Ann Charters never
bothered to explain what was in those
missing
passages. Then Mr. Anstee along with
Dave Moore of England (founder
of the
former magazine THE KEROUAC CONNECTION) found that THERE ARE ANOTHER
TWO
HUNDRED DELETIONS in the SELECTED LETTERS where Ann Charters has
completely
failed to mark the omission--not even a dot dot dot. SECRET
CUTS,
you might call them. That's 400
omissions in a book 600 pages long.
I'll be glad to reprint some of that
Ann Charters interview here if
I can
dig it out. Anstee himself was working
on an essay called "1400 Dots"
in
which he looked at the kind of passages Ann Charters cut out. I helped
him
with this by spending a whole day in my private attic archive, digging
out
copies of Kerouac letters that would help him trace down these missing
passages. But Anstee never published "1400
Dots." I guess politically he
figured
it was time to make friends with the Charters/Sampas group again.
Instead of any more attacks on
Nicosia's mental capacity, Rod, why
don't
you print "1400 Dots" here on the internet? Afraid Mr. Sampas might
not
sell you any more Kerouac pieces if you do?
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Subject: Attila's questions, final chapter
Response
to Paul Maher:
The private individuals who purchased
MEX CITY BLUES notebooks and
BOOK OF
DREAMS manuscript were not professional dealers. I don't claim to
have
all the info on this subject. I'm not,
after all, a private
investigator. I also don't think there has to be this huge
cloak of secrecy
over
the whole affair. If John Sampas has
empowered certain dealers to sell
Kerouac
materials only to the New York Public Library, or only to libraries,
I wish
he'd step forth and let us know.
Everyone would applaud that,
including
me.
There's been a lot of games-playing
here, and I'm calling for an end
to
it. Jack Kerouac is too important to
American literature to have people
playing
hide-and-seek with his archive.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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James
and Leon:
Thanks
for taking me to the virtual Fillmore. I can see bashful Annie's face
as she
tried to remember (the) who. That's him on the corner.
C.
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Subject: Attila's questions, final chapter
Answer
to Phil Chaput's latest:
Jeffrey Weinberg told me he sold BOOK
OF DREAMS to a private
collector. Jeffrey and I don't always get along--we're
both hot-tempered,
feisty
sorts--but I have never accused him of dishonesty. I think Jeffrey
is
completely honest and above-board, and I have never attacked him.
Moreover,
unlike Mr. Sampas, Ann Charters, and other Sampas supporters, he
has not
been totally cagey and evasive with me.
Quite the contrary, he has
talked
to me openly twice--for more than an hour each time--about how, why,
and to
whom he sold Kerouac artifacts. Bravo
for that honesty!!!
Sampas did not instruct Weinberg to
sell Kerouac artifacts only to
libraries. Quite the opposite, he told him to sell them
where they would
fetch
the most money. I hold nothing against
him for selling off pieces of
the
Kerouac archive. He was doing his
job--dealers take people's archives
and
they sell them, if asked to do so, for maximum profits. If Jeffrey
hadn't
taken on the job, Sampas would quickly have found another dealer to
do that
work for him. He has, in fact, found
other dealers.
The fact is, I hate to drag Jeffrey
Weinberg into this here. I know
he
doesn't need this kind of publicity.
But I'm really getting tired of all
you
folks pretending that the great sell-off of Kerouac artifacts didn't happen.
I don't know what route the BOOK OF
DREAMS took back into the New
York
Public Library. But the fact is, all
those manuscripts were offered
for
sale to private dealers and collectors.
Ken Lopez, Richard Marcel,
James
Musser, and a host of other dealers will attest to this.
All these personal attacks on
me!!! Now I'm a bad guy for not
donating
to a committee that has tried everything in the book to keep me out
of
Lowell. Oh, I suppose that's a lie
too. Well let's get Brad Parker here
on the
Internet. Brad Parker is president of
the Lowell Corporation for the
Humanities. He was the person who arranged for me to
come and speak in
Lowell
in 1988 at the dedication of the Kerouac Memorial. When people on
the
Lowell Kerouac Committee heard he was doing that, they tried everything
they
could to stop him. Paul Marion told him
he would "play hardball" with
him,
lock up every venue in town so that he'd have no place to put me, and
there
were suggestions that Parker's funding might be attacked as well. The
whole
history of this event, and how Parker finally triumphed in bringing
not
only me but also Jan to Lowell in 1988, is a saga in itself, which I'm
not
going to bore the BEAT-L readers with now.
But after all that, I should
donate
to this committee??? Jan's lawsuit was
filed in 1994. Yet neither
Jan nor
I were invited from 1988 through 1993.
And when I showed up in 1993
and my
event was publicized by Michael McClure, both Parker and I were
called
a "son of a bitch!" by one of the leaders of the Lowell Kerouac
Committee,
Roger Brunelle. YOU'LL GET MY FIRST CHECK
AS SOON AS I GET MR.
BRUNELLE'S
APOLOGY.
"Keep my beef with John Sampas
private"? I'm not concerned about
John
Sampas. He'll be wealthy for the rest
of his life, and I truly hope he
finds
happiness. Since you can't hear the
tone of my voice, I say that
WITHOUT
A TRACE OF SARCASM. I AM concerned
about what he's doing to a
national
literary treasure, the papers and manuscripts of Jack Kerouac
Bill Morgan was on the internet
earlier today, informing us that it
only
took one month for Ginsberg to complete his negotiations to get his
entire
archive (larger than Kerouac's) into Stanford.
Instead of all these distracting
attacks on Nicosia, why don't one
of you
folks simply answer the BIG QUESTION:
WHAT IS KEEPING MR. SAMPAS
FROM
PUTTING JACK KEROUAC'S ARCHIVE INTO A LIBRARY RIGHT NOW???
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
In a
message dated 97-05-03 23:33:53 EDT, you write:
<<
I am most
interested in, was the will forged, are the
papers safe and will the
ever really be accesible.
I do not wish to remember a jack k who didn't drink. or wasn't
sometimes an ass hole, or one that didn't
change literature into
something just a little more alive. I am
pretty sure he was at least
those three things.
patricia
>>
Patricia:
I just wrote Andrew who helped clarify an evening with Allen and
Jack
and some others whose names I couldn't remember. I told him what I
thought
of the Kerouac estate battle. I have similar conclusions as you.
Andrew:
Thanks
for helping me clarify the night. Yes, my wife Pam and I drove Allen
to the
show in a Mercedes that we were delivering to S.F. We natch tagged
with
Allen because he had to stay with us to drive to the Big Pink's house
and
then to Cherry Valley. I think Peter was in Cherry Valley. Ed Sanders
was
already at the Buckley show. We stayed the whole time and left with K, Ed
&
Allen. I think the other guys were with us at that time. Seems Allen
introduced
us as we were deciding on a bar.
I never
saw Jack after that night.
I'm
interested in the controversy (estate) in so far as I'd just like to know
who
ends up being the biggest chickenshit(s). Other than that, I'd like to
think
that the literary archives are available for scholars to study. I know
that
there are many fights over wills. Nothing unusual in that.
Yeah
Robt Kelly will be at Oneonta. He's a friend of Dr. Pat Meanor (who is
friends
with Allen's cousin, Joel Ghademak). Pat invited me to his beat
course
and invites authors such as Kelly to read there.
C.Plymell
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From: Jeffrey Weinberg
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Subject: Beat-L T-shirts
Phil:
The
artwork for the T-shirt is being drawn by SF underground comix legend, S.
Clay
Wilson. S. Clay visited Charlie Plymell over Easter weekend and Charlie
put
Wilson on line to converse with the list - and we decided as a group to
approach
Wilson for the job of doing the artwork for a Beat-l T-shirt.
I spoke
with S. Clay last week, we negotiated some details, and I sent him a
check
yesterday. Wilson ran some ideas by me and I asked him to include the
Beat-L
name and internet address in the design.
Water
Row Books is sponsoring the shirts by contributing the funds needed to
pay
Wilson and have the shirts made. The shirts will be offered to Beat-L
members
at cost plus shipping.
I will
keep the list notified of the progress and will offer to send members
a copy
of the artwork if they want to see it first before buying one.
When
the final cost and shipping date are determined, I'll let the Beat-L
know.
Thanks
-
Jeffrey
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Public Domain
Some of you have inquired about the
seven Kerouac books that are in
public
domain. I mentioned two of them
already, the original limited
edition
of VISIONS OF CODY put out by New Directions in 1960, which is about
1/3 of
the final posthumous text; and BIG SUR.
I was about to mention the other five,
but got a note from the
director
of Northwestern University Press that I should look into this GATT
thing,
of recapturing lost copyrights. I had
always heard that once a book
was in
public domain, it stays there forever.
OKAY, before I go any further
here, I
better do my legal homework. If anybody
knows anything about this,
please
let me know.
I think it's a great idea a couple of
you had, to put these texts up
on the
Web.
More on this subject later.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Estate Research
Both
Rod and Mark have suggested we each do our own research on the
"controversy"
prior to passing judgement. My question
is what sources are
being
suggested? I asked earlier for someone
to post a summary of the Ann
Charters
article and I hope someone does so.
What other evidence would
anyone
suggest that refutes what Gerry Nicosia has been telling us? Who
should
we talk to? What should we read?
Jerry
Cimino
Fog
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Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
At
08:06 PM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At
11:49 AM 5/3/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Response
to Paul Maher's question:
>> What is all that Kerouac stuff doing
in the New York Public Library?
>> The NYPL has been building a
Beat/Kerouac collection since the 60's.
>>It
is indeed one of the best in the country.
One of their early
>>acquisitions
was the manuscript of SATORI IN PARIS, which supposedly Fred
>>Jordan
had simply held on to after Grove published the book. They have been
>>buying
up Kerouac/Beat stuff whenever and wherever they can find it--IF THEY
>>CAN
AFFORD IT. They reputedly bought a
large collection of stuff from Ann
>>Charters
last year for a quarter million bucks.
>> Both MEX CITY BLUES notebooks and BOOK
OF DREAMS manuscripts are in
>>the
NYPL. However, according to Jeffrey
Weinberg, both were sold to PRIVATE
>>COLLECTORS,
and later resold to the NYPL. There is
even a polaroid of the
>>BOOK
OF DREAMS notebook being sold to the private collector. Also, by the
>>way,
Jack typed several versions of MEX CITY BLUES, and I don't think the
>>library
has all those typed drafts--though I welcome Rodney Phillips (the
>>acquisition
librarian) or anyone else at the NYPL to comment on this.
>> Jan and I asked Rodney Phillips if he
had ever BOUGHT ANY KEROUAC
>>MATERIAL
DIRECTLY FROM SAMPAS. My recollection
is that he said no, though
>>there
may have been a few things (letters of Jack to Stella?) that Sampas
>>did
sell to the library. We asked why he
hadn't bought the manuscripts,
>>other
notebooks, etc., and he said the prices Sampas was asking were too
>>high. He did say that Sampas had DONATED A BUNCH
OF XEROXES OF KEROUAC
>>LETTERS
to the library.
>> Sampas also allowed the NYPL to SHOW
THE ON THE ROAD MANUSCRIPT,
>>without
selling it to them.
>> The NYPL would of course love to buy
the entire Kerouac archive, but
>>the
most they could pay for it is one million dollars (for everything,
>>thousands
of different pieces). Sampas has
declined to sell it to them at
>>that
price (apparently not enough).
>>
>From
what I understand when I called the NYPL...the OTR manuscript is on
deposit,
a common practice for things of that nature. Almost like a Picasso
on loan
in a museum from a private owner. The person there says that there
is a
numerous amount of material in the library already and even more
coming.
Scholars however rarely visit the archive. It is virtually unused!
All
this talk about research and the need for access and I've yet to see
more
than five scholarly articles published or that have come to light. I
think
people need to do more homework other than relying on one side of the
story.
No offense to Mr. Nicosia but I think some people are being unfair to
the
Kerouac Estate. They remain voiceless on this list but instead...they do
the
talking with all these things getting published! What is the problem! If
there
are things left out of letters then go to the NYPL or Mogan Center in
Lowell
where Gerry says there are "2000 letters" and research it! You may
not be
able to quote from the letters but it is no infringement for
paraphrasing!
That is scholarship. That is how literary history moves on.
Hell
I'll publish it in The Kerouac Quarterly if it is intellectually sound
and
verified with documentation. Please though, this endless pondering is
all
just so many words. You are all friends here united in the spirit of
Kerouac.
Do something to maintain that spirit instead of trying to put it
out.
Goodnight. Thanks for reading....Regards to all, Paul of TKQ.
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Apollinaire's howl.
amici,
have someone noticed that ALCOOLS
written
by Guillaume Apollinaire is an howl,
ZONE
A la fin tu es las de ce monde ancien.
....
ciao a
tutti,
vale! *rinaldo a not competent beet
*
* TUTTI GIU' PER TERRA! *
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Subject: t-shirt mania around the world
amici,
a crowd in milan has stopped to
see the greatest T-shirt in the
world,
a bunch of netsurfers invented
that such a thing,
<http://www.mailshirt.com>
the above site,
ciao a
tutti,
vale! *rinaldo a not competent beet
*
* TUTTI GIU' PER TERRA! *
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Subject: Re: Beat-L T-shirts
In-Reply-To:
<970504012107_1221624602@emout02.mail.aol.com> from "Jeffrey
Weinberg" at May 4, 97
01:21:08 am
Jeffrey
wrote:
> I
will keep the list notified of the progress and will offer to send members
> a
copy of the artwork if they want to see it first before buying one.
>
When the final cost and shipping date are determined, I'll let the Beat-L
>
know.
A
simpler method: just scan the image, put it on a web page and
post
the URL? If you don't have a web server
handy, Jeffrey, send
me the
artwork and I'll do it.
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Re: May Day Blues-May Day Reds
Jo,
Loved your description of the May fest
- particularly since it was
completely
unknown to me. I grew up in Brooklyn and Connecticut; never heard
of the
May Feast or May baskets. Do you know any books that would describe
it? I
haven't searched the Web yet to see what I'd find.
By the way, it is Jo and not Joe,
right? I saw Gerald Nicosia using
Joe in
a post and wondered. I live in Montreal now, not too far from where
Rod
Anstee lives, and will be going up to see him / meet him face to face.
The
material being posted by you and by Gerald has all found its way into a
new
mailbox for me to print and review again at my leisure. Haven't visited
your
site yet, but will this week. Thanks again for all the info you've been
providing
us.
I'm fifty and as I recall you're about
fifteen years older. What got
you
into this stuff and the world of the Web? Was it a natural outgrowth of
your
earlier life? Apologies if I'm being too prying, but I'm fascinated by
the Web
community that can form so quickly around a topic/interest and how
revealing
people can be. It has led, for instance to Derek Bealieu and Marie
Countryman arranging to meet here in Montreal with me
end of June /
beginning
of July. They were aghast when I suggested that mmaybe we should
invite
Rod down from Ottawa for one of the days!
Regards, Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky and
Utah Phillips
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Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
Dear
Gerry:
I think
my first conversations with Stanford librarians was in April 1994 and
the
contract officially selling the collection was in Aug. 1994, what's the
date of
your poster signing conversation?
Bill
Morgan
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Subject: Re: Ginsy's position on "the
squabble"
Jerry:
Sorry,
I'm not willing to enter this fray except to clarify any factual
matters. I don't believe that I can speak for Allen's
thoughts and I don't
know of
any writings by him on the subject, although somewhere there may be
letters
to friends addressing it.
Yours,
Bill
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From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Cornix?
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<97May3.205557-0400_edt.587271-32661+4246@skywalker.microtec.net>
On Sat,
3 May 1997, Antoine Maloney wrote:
> What's the Cornix web applet that you
refer to?
It
takes a body of ascii text and flashes it on the screen, a word at a time
--
think of it as viewing a text via flash cards. The company that makes it
has
done lots of work in the area of speed reading, etc. and maintain that
this
technique allows for maximum comprehension of a work in minimum time.
I've
tried it with several texts (including a Burroughs novel I found
online)
and feel that it's worthy of exploration. Because let's face it, it
is
usually easier and quicker to read something on paper than on a computer
screen.
It doesn't have to be this way -- it _shouldn't_ -- but current
computer
interfaces usually try to mimic a virtual piece of paper rather
than do
something original (of which the possibilities with computers are
endless),
so we end up staring at our screens going, "Is this all there is?"
>
>I heard there was absolutely no punctuation in the original OTR. I want to
>
>use the Cornix web applet (http://www.halcyon.com/chigh/corndemo.html) on
>
>said ASCII file of OTR to view it word-at-a-time on giant screens.
>
> On big screens? Why?
Just
for dramatic effect, really. It would certainly pass on my 17" monitor,
but if
I connected my computer to, say, a 36" screen, I could sit back on
the
couch in my living room and watch the words flash by on the screen
across
the room. It would enable a group of people to read the same book at
the
same time...
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Subject: I swore I'd stay out of this but what
the hell
In-Reply-To:
<970504113016_-399843355@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "William
Morgan" at May 4, 97
11:30:17 am
Okay,
Gerry -- here's a curve-ball for ya ...
About a
year before she died, Jan Kerouac gave permission, through
a
mutual acquaintance of ours named Ralph Virgo, for me to run an
excerpt
from her unpublished novel "Parrot Fever" in Literary Kicks.
I liked
the excerpt a lot, and when I began putting together an
anthology
of selected original fiction from the web (which will finally
be on
the bookshelves this summer) I thought of including the piece.
Jan had
died by this time, so I contacted you as holder of her
copyrights.
We
tried to come to terms for using the piece in the book and couldn't
(unfortunately
this book is being done at a very slim budget) but you
then
insisted I stop running the excerpt in Literary Kicks, and stated
this to
me in no uncertain legal terms. Being a
mellow, happy-go-lucky
kind of
guy who has no wish to ever go to court, I quickly removed the
piece,
making no public fuss about it, and that was the end of that
story.
But now
when I hear your intense and passionate calls for John Sampas
to
immediately yield control of the Jack Kerouac archives by donating it
all to
a public library, I wonder if you will in that spirit allow me to
re-install
Jan Kerouac's excerpt at my site, which is just as public and
just as
non-profit (or more) as any public library?
Or is it that you
don't
like somebody forcing your hand and have various public and personal
reasons
for not wanting to do this, and if so, how are you behaving any
differently
than John Sampas?
Please
answer this without bringing up either Paul Blake, Stella Sampas,
Adolf
Hitler or anybody else who has nothing to do with it!
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From: Bonnie Lee Howard
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Subject: Various and Sundry--Mostly Pleas for
Help :-)
Hello
Beat-L,
Wow.
Been a long time. I first joined this list right after my father, Don
Carpenter,
died in July 1995. Back then I was looking for advice on how to
handle
his estate, as he named me his literary executor. At that time I
took
the advice of a friend and did nothing. Needed to heal first. So now
I'm
back, life has calmed down, and I am once again in the position of
asking
you knowledgable folks for some help.
What I
have are boxes and boxes of papers, letters, chapbooks, posters,
etc.
from the Beat era. My father used to arrange poetry readings in S.F.
during
the early 60's. So I have stuff, besides my dad's, of Lew Welch,
Allen
Ginsberg, Gary Snyder, Michael McClure, Phil Whalen, etc. I think
what
needs to happen is to have all this stuff organized and appraised,
and
then I can decide what the heck to do with it all. A friend suggested
that I
get Andreas Brown, who handled the Ginsberg/Stanford archive deal
(I
think) to help me. Any advice you all have would be appreciated. I care
a great
deal about where my father's things eventually end up. I would
like
writers and students and the public to be able to access them for
research
purposes. Right now I am against the idea of separating things
and
selling them off piece by piece to collectors. But as the estate's
executor,
I have to do the best I can, financially, for the estate and its
beneficiaries.
Damn. Suddenly I feel just as lost and confused as I was
two
years ago.
While
I'm here, I thought I'd throw in a few more comments :-) Re:
Ginsberg
and Dylan...my mom recalls being at a party in S.F. with both
Allen
and Dylan. I'm thinking this probably wasn't when they first met,
but it
had to have been around 1963 or so...Orlovsky had a cast on his
leg, if
that helps set the time more accurately.
And one
more thing...I am helping a friend do some research on Ginsberg
for a
possible biography. Does anyone know how we could get hold of a copy
of the
transcript of the HOWL obscenity trial? I did a rather rudimentary
search
yesterday, and see that Lawrence Ferlinghetti wrote a book about
it,
called _Howl of the Censor_, but it seems to be out-of-print. And is
Judge
Clayton Horn, who presided, still alive?
I guess
that's enough for one post :-) It's nice to be back and reading
you all
again. Is Dan Barth still here? If so...hello!!!
Thanks
so very much,
Bonnie
Howard
howardb@sonoma.edu
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aulica
vita, splndida miseria.
vale! *
the beet *
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: censorship of letters
I quote
from "ANN CHARTERS BEAT SCENE INTERVIEW," in BEAT SCENE 24, spring
1996:
Ann
Charters is being interviewed by Dan Barth:
DB:
"As far as you know has there been any selling off piecemeal [of
Kerouac's
papers, etc.]?"
AC:
"There has been some.* I don't
know how much because Sampas doesn't
tell
me. Why should he? I'm not getting any income from it and I
don't,
frankly,
have a relationship with John Sampas that is one of a confidante.
I work
for hire, his terms. HE GETS THE FINAL
SAY ON EVERYTHING. [italics
mine] In other words, if he doesn't want a letter
because he thinks it's
unflattering
to Phil Wahlen and he doesn't want to embarrass Phil--and there
was one
incident where the four dots was because Kerouac was joking about
Phil
Whalen's sexual experiences, shall we say; I'm trying to be as bland as
possible
here--I think John was completely within his rights. I thought it
was
kind of funny, but John said, "Hey, he's an old man, Phil Whalen, and he
doesn't
want that stuff circulating."**
Someday there will be the Complete
Letters
of Jack Kerouac. Everyone will be dead,
including me, and you
perhaps,
although I hope not, and we'll have all those things. There will
be no
four dots."
*One of
the reasons Ann Charters knew there was "some" selling is because
she
bought some of those items from the Kerouac archive for her own collection.
**I
know Phil Whalen quite well; he never asked John Sampas to censor
Kerouac's
letters on his behalf. Phil has a great
sense of humor about
sexuality
and everything else, and he would be the last person to want his
history
with the Beats rewritten.
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE CLOSED
> No
offense to Mr. Nicosia but I think some people are being unfair to
>the
Kerouac Estate. They remain voiceless on this list but instead...they do
>the
talking with all these things getting published! What is the problem! If
>there
are things left out of letters then go to the NYPL or Mogan Center in
>Lowell
where Gerry says there are "2000 letters" and research it! You may
>not
be able to quote from the letters but it is no infringement for
>paraphrasing!
To Paul Maher: indeed there are 2,000
Kerouac letters (in xerox) in
the
MEMORY BABE collection at U Mass, Lowell, Special Collections (the Mogan
Center)
plus 300 taped interviews with people who knew Kerouac,
transcriptions
of those interviews, letters to me, etc.
(although as you
know 60
of the letters to me have disappeared).
The problem is, my archive has been
closed to the public. This
happened
about two years ago, after John Sampas went to speak with the
librarian,
to complain that the public should not have access to this
material
without his permission. I am currently
working on a breach of
contract
suit against the university, because I was assured during
negotiations
that this material would all be made freely available to the
public
for study.
In the meantime, the 300 tapes (on
cheap cassettes) have never even
been
duplicated by the university, and are now seriously deteriorating. If
this
deterioration is allowed to continue, we will lose precious primary
source
material, interviews with over 100 people who are now dead (Ted
Berrigan,
John Clellan Holmes, Kenneth Rexroth, Robert Duncan, Bob Kaufman,
Kerouac's
three wives, et al.) which can never be gathered again.
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: hooooo! I'M A BEET
'005Y89U+531K=F2N CA NZ
+L=F2M=E0E2FK+VP
KV qmn
onhapvihrwq gty72+=F956 81682 B(q2n=F2k2qr
i04242
=20
+friends,
what chauvinism?
are'u usofam relatad
but i'm conviced
A BEET IS COSMOPOLITAN
ARE U SAFE!
vale! Rinaldo.-
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE CLOSED
if u
rrelate jk only in usa the thing is less...
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: censorship of letters
allen
ginsgebrg was censored! not only jk
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Subject: Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but
what the hell
the
history comes when yhe thing are awright...
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Cornix?
if the
poetry comes to hardwired this is
awright!
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: censorship of letters
what's
up only ag is censored!
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
in
italy what's happen, sorry how u are speakin' in NYC
frank
zappa from the heaven...
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
jk is
UNIVERSAL POETRY WHAT'S ARE U SPEAKING ATTILA?
OFF
BROADWAY SCENE?
* THE BEET *
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Subject: Re: Estate Research
JK IS
AN UNIVERAL GUY WHAT'S ARE U SPEAKING?
* TUTTI GIU' PER TERRA *
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Subject: Re: virtual Fillmore
PAmela
who is?
the beet
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
only AG
who's censored guys!
the beet
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: t-shirts
great!!
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: t-shirts
Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
>
great!!
The
shirt site is great, Rinaldo. Is the
model a friend of yours?
beeten
in California--or I guess elf abuse would be to beet your meet
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From: PAM <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>
Subject: Re: MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE CLOSED
>If
one were to contact the estate then...one would have access with
permission.
I would assume you would have to have a legitimate reason to
want to
go in there. Research is one legitimate reason. Just wanting to see
the
archives is not. If I'm not mistaken...most archives are like that. I
know
that's the way with the Hemingway archives in Boston or the Whittier
archives
in Haverhill, Massachusetts or the Faulkner collection. What would
make
Kerouac any different?
Kerouac's
letteres belong to the estate so naturally...you would need the
estate's
permission to see them. The tapes I assume would be a different
matter
altogether. There are many living voices on those tapes. The Estate
does
not own those...they do however have a say about the letters. Sad
enough
but true nonetheless. I can't see anything wrong with that set up.
That is
standard protocol with every major collection holding primary
resources.
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: T-SHIRT AD (CALL BENETTON A fiend of
mine)
argues
the beet (be[a]t remember the mcarthy interview):
italian
style by fiorucci (not ad in this hit) is a lot
greet
than everything in the world u know, now i suppose
the
Beat-L goto the T-shirt to Fiorucci, i presume, like
Ferlinghetti
go in florence for his Light bookstore, i
as a
venetian guy disappointed!...
a
T-shirt creates in USA is off!! really friends tell me!
* rinaldo *
* the beet*
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Subject: Re: MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE CLOSED
jk
write his works w/out puntactiuon what's u are following?
the
street is yr place.
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Subject: how to resubscribe
excuse
this interruption, i sure know how annoying it can be to
longstanding
beat-list members.
i've
been away, and i need the email address for the server so i can get
back
onto the Beat-l.
thanks,
Eric
rhs4@crystal.palace.net
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Beat-L T-shirts
At
07.04 04/05/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Jeffrey
wrote:
>>
I will keep the list notified of the progress and will offer to send members
>>
a copy of the artwork if they want to see it first before buying one.
>>
When the final cost and shipping date are determined, I'll let the Beat-L
>>
know.
>
>A
simpler method: just scan the image, put it on a web page and
>post
the URL? If you don't have a web server
handy, Jeffrey, send
>me
the artwork and I'll do it.
>
>------------------------------------------------------
> Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
>
> Literary Kicks:
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> (the beat literature web site)
>
>
Queensboro Ballads: http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
> (my fantasy folk-rock album)
>
> ###################################
>
> "Tie yourself to a tree with
roots"
> -- Bob Dylan
>-----------------------------------------------------
>
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>From: Antoine Maloney
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>Subject: Re: May Day Blues-May Day Reds
>To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L
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>
>Jo,
>
> Loved your description of the May fest - particularly since it
was
>completely
unknown to me. I grew up in Brooklyn and Connecticut; never heard
>of
the May Feast or May baskets. Do you know any books that would describe
>it?
I haven't searched the Web yet to see what I'd find.
>
> By the way, it is Jo and not Joe,
right? I saw Gerald Nicosia using
>Joe
in a post and wondered. I live in Montreal now, not too far from where
>Rod
Anstee lives, and will be going up to see him / meet him face to face.
>The
material being posted by you and by Gerald has all found its way into a
>new
mailbox for me to print and review again at my leisure. Haven't visited
>your
site yet, but will this week. Thanks again for all the info you've been
>providing
us.
>
> I'm fifty and as I recall you're about
fifteen years older. What got
>you
into this stuff and the world of the Web? Was it a natural outgrowth of
>your
earlier life? Apologies if I'm being too prying, but I'm fascinated by
>the
Web community that can form so quickly around a topic/interest and how
>revealing
people can be. It has led, for instance to Derek Bealieu and Marie
>Countryman arranging to meet here in Montreal with me
end of June /
>beginning
of July. They were aghast when I suggested that mmaybe we should
>invite
Rod down from Ottawa for one of the days!
>
> Regards, Antoine
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips
>
>
amici,
a crowd in milan has stopped to
see the greatest T-shirt in the
world,
a bunch of netsurfers invented
that such a thing,
<http://www.mailshirt.com>
the above site,
ciao a
tutti,
vale! *rinaldo a not competent beet
*
* TUTTI GIU' PER TERRA! *
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Attila's questions, final chapter
jk is
gone ag is gone
what'$
u are told ?
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
only AG
was censored what's are u serching for?
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: censorship of letters
only
allen ginsberg was
censopred
what mess are u
talk
'bout?
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
only
allen ginsberg was the p'oet
censored
not too bad if jk not
keep
tjhe same thing!
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Ann Charters article on Estate
Battle
the
estate (in italiano estate = summer english)
is a
matter of attorney nor for beet
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Subject: Re: Dylan-Plymell
dylan-dos-dylan-thomas-who're
u pamela? holmes asks.
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Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
i was
jaled with mexico city blues in my
poket,
are u mad to exibit an suit 'bout
this
=F9matter
a beet
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Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
only
AG
was
censored
tutti giu' per
terra!
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Subject: Re: Dylan-Plymell
dylan-u
are, in my opinion out of the mind of the universe
the beeeet
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Subject: Re: New Q's for Nicosia
keep
yr
head
in
yr
hands
* the beet *
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Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
attila
devasted venice italy in earlier times,
so i
for my ancestor i beg his pardon..
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Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
what's
are do u gouing?
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Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
there's
a world that is ignoring that stuff but
loves
jk
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Subject: Re: Ginsy's position on "the
squabble"
paranoia
is the train's not in arrive
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Subject: Re: Attila's Questions, Final Chapter
don't
comin'further
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Attila's questions, final chapter
legacy
what's
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Re: censorship of letters
Rinaldo,
I have so enjoyed most of your postings.
I am
confused by this latest flurry of postings,
I believe many of the
beats
were censored in a variety of ways, and the thread title you were
responding
to was describing a specific example of one type of
censorship.
I only
found a booby type girl with half of a tee shirt on when i
visited
the tee shirt site, Is that kind of tee
shirt what is popular
in
europe now? love
patricia
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Jake Barnes is beat (was "More
on dope")
stop
that's attorney trhread please
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: New Q's for Nicosia
there
is an island in mediterranea sea?
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: more on dope
please,
have a lot of funny in yr replies
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Subject: Re: New Q's for Nicosia
&
ciprus is near ?
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Subject: Re: Attila's questions, final chapter
attila
destroyed venice
'cuz of
i'm a bit disappointing
* the beet *
* sant erasmo island *
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Looking For Jack: The Literary
Influences of Jack Kerouac
another
lit influence , it's springtime , guys
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: (no subject)high spirits
rinaldo.
ok with me if you stop your one liners and delete the threads
you
don't want to read. Is this called
flooding? My daughter says it is
flooding,
she is eleven, says that this is a way of tying up the list so
the
messages allowed per day are used up. i being a facimile old lady
says it
is a guy in an afternoon of high spirits who is just plain bored
with jk
estate matters
p
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: For Charles Plymell
funny pamela
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Public Domain
At 17.07
02/05/97 -0700, you wrote:
>This
means that these books that are in the public domain can be posted on
>the
internet.
>
>It
is too bad that Paul Blake cannot get royalties for them, but as they
>are
in the public domain, someone ought to get busy and get them up.
>
>How
about a beat-l ftp site?
>
>What
books are in the public domain?
>
yes the
say the bonnot band of anarchist
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: More on dope
At
19.41 02/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Blowing
in the wind or pissing in the wind?
>C.
Plymell
>
>
have a
break
* the beet *
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Subject: Re: On the Road - Uncut
if OTR
was a am lit why it's cut?
*the
beet*
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: how to resubscribe
At
16.20 04/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>excuse
this interruption, i sure know how annoying it can be to
>longstanding
beat-list members.
>
>i've
been away, and i need the email address for the server so i can get
>back
onto the Beat-l.
>
>thanks,
>Eric
>rhs4@crystal.palace.net
>
LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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tutti
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but
what the hell
At
08:44 AM 5/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Okay,
Gerry -- here's a curve-ball for ya ...
>
>About
a year before she died, Jan Kerouac gave permission, through
>a
mutual acquaintance of ours named Ralph Virgo, for me to run an
>excerpt
from her unpublished novel "Parrot Fever" in Literary Kicks.
>I
liked the excerpt a lot, and when I began putting together an
>anthology
of selected original fiction from the web (which will finally
>be
on the bookshelves this summer) I thought of including the piece.
>Jan
had died by this time, so I contacted you as holder of her
>copyrights.
>
>We
tried to come to terms for using the piece in the book and couldn't
>(unfortunately
this book is being done at a very slim budget) but you
>then
insisted I stop running the excerpt in Literary Kicks, and stated
>this
to me in no uncertain legal terms.
Being a mellow, happy-go-lucky
>kind
of guy who has no wish to ever go to court, I quickly removed the
>piece,
making no public fuss about it, and that was the end of that
>story.
>
>But
now when I hear your intense and passionate calls for John Sampas
>to
immediately yield control of the Jack Kerouac archives by donating it
>all
to a public library, I wonder if you will in that spirit allow me to
>re-install
Jan Kerouac's excerpt at my site, which is just as public and
>just
as non-profit (or more) as any public library?
Or is it that you
>don't
like somebody forcing your hand and have various public and personal
>reasons
for not wanting to do this, and if so, how are you behaving any
>differently
than John Sampas?
>
>Please
answer this without bringing up either Paul Blake, Stella Sampas,
>Adolf
Hitler or anybody else who has nothing to do with it!
>
>------------------------------------------------------
> Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
>
> Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
> (the beat literature web site)
>
Dear
Levi, May 4, 1997
For days I've been pinned down in a
crossfire between Joe Chaput and
Rod
Anstee, and now I feel I'm taking fire from you too. How bout someone
give me
a chance to catch my breath? Or is this
all-out guerrilla warfare?
OK, I'm sure I explained to you, that
my problem from the start as
Jan's
literary executor has been that her heir, exhusband John Lash, has
been
seeking desperately for some grounds to dismiss me (so he can complete
his
deal with John Sampas). I told you to
take the never-published PARROT
FEVER
from your web site because, potentially, John Lash could go before the
Albuquerque
court and say: "Look, Nicosia is GIVING AWAY OUR [his and Jan's
half-brother's]
PROPERTY. He has now diminished the earning
power of PARROT
FEVER
by letting this guy Asher print it for nothing."
That's far-fetched, I know, but Lash
has already said things even
more
far-fetched than that to the Albuquerque court.
Of course I want to make Jan's work available. She wanted me to put
her
entire archive in the Bancroft library for scholars to look at, but Lash
has
frustrated me there too by locking up all her stuff in his lawyer's
vault. Recently the court even ORDERED LASH TO SEND
ME JAN'S PAPERS, but he
still
hasn't complied.
So let's make a trade-off here. Until the Appellate Court in Santa
Fe
makes a final ruling on the extent of my powers, I'm not going to give
Mr.
Lash any ammunition concerning how careless I am with his property.
What I
can do is give you permission to print an equal amount of Jan's work
(equal
no. of words) as was in the PARROT FEVER excerpt, from either of her
out-of-print
books BABY DRIVER or TRAINSONG. You
tell me what excerpt you
want,
what page to what page, and I'll fax you a letter of permission.
Since those books were published and
had their run years ago,
there's
less grounds for Mr. Lash to say I "lost money for him" than if I
gave
away parts of a new Jan Kerouac novel.
I think I explained to you that,
though a literary executor can
himself
give permission, he/she does not have an absolute power; and all my
decisions
are subject to review by the court, especially if Mr. Lash calls
for
that review.
John Sampas is not under the same tight
rein since he is answerable
only to
his family.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: censorship of letters
patricia
argues:
>Rinaldo,
I have so enjoyed most of your postings.
>I
am confused by this latest flurry of postings,
I believe many of the
>beats
were censored in a variety of ways, and the thread title you were
>responding
to was describing a specific example of one type of
>censorship.
>I
only found a booby type girl with half of a tee shirt on when i
>visited
the tee shirt site, Is that kind of tee
shirt what is popular
>in
europe now? love
>patricia
>
no
mention of T-shirt (that's fiorucci it's a must, agree with me)
but i'm
concerned 'bout the list is usa centric, i loved ,really,
USofA
but if i heard that jk is submitt in lawsuit by its writings
i'm
disapponting like Omero or shakespeare was limited in his
emoticons
by the state of a state
* anarchist &beet *
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE CLOSED
At
03:02 PM 5/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>If
one were to contact the estate then...one would have access with
>permission.
I would assume you would have to have a legitimate reason to
>want
to go in there... they do however have a say about the letters. Sad
>enough
but true nonetheless. I can't see anything wrong with that set up.
>That
is standard protocol with every major collection holding primary
>resources.
>
Dear Paul: May 4, 1997
No, it's not "standard
protocol." Mr. Sampas does not in
fact have
the
legal power to keep you from reading anything by Jack Kerouac.
Otherwise
I could not have done the research I did.
You (as I did) can walk
into
Bancroft Library, the U. of Texas Humanities Research Center, UC Davis,
Reed
College, or any number of other major libraries in this country that
have
Kerouac letters on file, and you can read them and take notes on them
(as I
did) without the Sampas family's permission.
Ferlinghetti's archive in Berkeley
(Bancroft) contains letters,
writings,
tapes, etc. from several thousand different people, and you don't
need
permission from a single one of them to use the archive for scholarly
purposes. You only need Ferlinghetti's permission.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: (no subject)high spirits
patrica
(i love u):
>rinaldo.
ok with me if you stop your one liners and delete the threads
>you
don't want to read. Is this called
flooding? My daughter says it is
>flooding,
she is eleven, says that this is a way of tying up the list so
>the
messages allowed per day are used up. i being a facimile old lady
>says
it is a guy in an afternoon of high spirits who is just plain bored
>with
jk estate matters
>p
>
my
nephwew (a girl 17 old) i interested 'bout jk on the road
today
ask me form the book, & if the uncle is the better friend
i
promised to give she, but what's she came next month in internet
connection,
or/and in b-list what's up the matter jk lawsuits?
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: censored Kerouac letters
In a
message dated 97-05-03 17:58:20 EDT, you write:
<< He dictated to Ann Charters what Kerouac
letters could be published, and
> which ones couldn't, and which parts had
to be censored.
>>
Supposedly,
Ann Charters was hired by John Sampas to edit the letters book.
Ann has
mentioned in public forums in response to questions about this, that
she was
working for Sampas at the time, hence the fact that she did what was
requested
while still trying to maintain her scholarly professionalism. She
also
mentioned that she is confident that years from now, when all this
brouhaha
dies down, that she envisions somebody coming out with a complete
letters
book.