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On Thu,
8 May 1997, Matthew S Sackmann wrote:
> Is
U2 on the cover? If this is true than i
think i will never again have
>
the love for U2 that I did.
If this
bit of crass capitalism gets you mad, then you should look into what
they
did to the people in the band Negativland -- it'll _really_ get you
going.
In
brief: Negativland once made a very excellent album called _U2_, sampling
bits of
their "Where the streets have no name" song (interspersed with true
recordings
of Casey Kasem swearing and insulting the callers of his American
Top 40
radio show -- off-air, of course). It's a great song, but of course
U2
brought their iron hammer down on the band, causing them all sorts of
grief,
including an incredible amount of debt. And, of course, they ordered
(and
succeeded) in recalling the record, though you can still find copies
out
there. But they seriously destroyed the lives of the people in that band.
In
interviews & other public spots, several times during this time period
(including
interviews in that trash of a rag _Rolling Stone_), the members
of U2
said that they loved the idea of "sampling" and encouraged others to
do that
with their own work (this was around the "Zoo TV" time, when during
live
concerts Bono & co. made a point of continuous sampling of others'
work,
by rebroadcasting a satellite tv feed onstage and randomly flipping
through
stations). Figuring, of course, that most people reading a U2
interview
for content would not know about the plight of Negativland, much
less
have ever even heard of them. I think their gratutious blather on and
on
about how much they "supported" sampling is what made this whole
event so
perverse
in my eyes -- it made Bono and friends look like the depraved
protagonist
of Bret Easton Ellis' _American Psycho_, playing in his own
scat.
Anyway, you can check out Negativland's stuff out at
http://www.negativland.com
-- yeah they're still around, and doing well.
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: flapjack interlude
To
maybe understand more go to
http://www.onestep.com/writers/short/gallaher/short.html
Shortstack
Lightening Champeen Pancake Eater
>From:
Will Russell <wrussell@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
>Subject:
Re: Hi Tim
>To:
gallaher@hsc.usc.edu (Timothy K. Gallaher)
>Date:
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>Timothy,
The great Flapjack on skid row hittin' the coffee hard, bit bad
>by
the caffein bug was visited by the late Ezikiel O'Mally in a dream.
>And
in that dream O'Mally spoke of a train, a slow train that was
>a'comin'
carrying on it a special cargo."Where's that train bound? I don't
>know,"
said a voice in the dream, but he knew it was bound for Glory.
>Glory
Tennessee, that is, where the most infamous eater of pancakes now
>resides
in a penthouse suite at the top of the tallest of the tallest
>swanky
apartment buildings in the state, all four hundred pounds of him
>resting
up there in comfort, Shortstack Lightning, who let fame and the
>pancakes
of the rich change him from a decent country boy
>into..into..a..Monster!
Flapjack woke from his dream in a sweat, and
>rubbed
his swollen coffee ruined stomach. I
was the best once, the
>greatest
pancake eater in the United States, maybe the world. The kids now
>the
were fast, it was true. With all that
special training equipment and
>designer
pancake eating drugs. But where was the
heart. "They got no
>heart." He croaked outloud to noone in
particular. Maybe, just maybe he
>could
kick the coffee. Maybe, just one more
time he could drag himself
>out
of retirement and sit at that big table one more time. Maybe, just
>maybe
old Flapjack was gonna sit down and eat him some pancakes.
>
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Intro; Wm S Burroughs
In a
message dated 97-05-08 21:39:03 EDT, you write:
<<
Zach, your e-mail address while amusing at least doesn't allow
communication from the Kansas vortex.
welcome to the list. i had a longer welcome via backchannel but i
think
it is off somewhere in the wiring of things
now.
>>
Are
whole gobs missing? I'll have to check
the Burroughs site out. Maybe
write
something about the last supper I had with him and Ginsberg. Both
proper
gentlemen. Appearing to clean up their act. Shaking hands with babies.
Reciting
Shakespeare. Checking out the .38 Special. Rolling a joint. Roasting
lamb
chops. Fiddling with a hand painted tie. Ginsberg tidying up the
kitchen.
Washing dishes in a tie. Oh my. The sobbing Vortex howls.
Charles
Plymell
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From: Bill Philibin
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>
> Is U2 on the cover? If this is
true than i think i will never again
have
>
> the love for U2 that I did.
>
> If
this bit of crass capitalism gets you mad, then you should look into
what
>
they did to the people in the band Negativland -- it'll _really_ get you
>
going.
From what I have heard about the whole
Negativeland thing... And this is
second
hand information so take it however you will... But I heard that
that
was all out of the bands control. That
U2 was impressed with the NL
cd, but
that their record company took it upon themselves to file action.
Like I said, I don't know how trur
this, but I do know that bands have
relatively
little to say about what their record companies do... Even with
what
songs are on cds. This _could_ be the
case with both of these
incidents. But then again... U2 could just have gotten way too big for
their
heads...
-Bill
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| into
place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the
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of greening the landscape of idea."
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and one
more comment about thhe U2 / ginsberg / neativeland... to bring
all
this full circle Ginsberg was featured in a U2 special about the
making
of their current tur a few backs on much (recorded before that
obviously).
Ginsberg was shown reciting one of U2 songs from their latest
cd. (i
think it "miami" off of _pop_)
yrs
derek
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Pamela
Beach Plymell wrote:
>
> In
a message dated 97-05-08 21:39:03 EDT, you write:
>
>
<< Zach, your e-mail address while amusing at least doesn't allow
> communication from the Kansas vortex.
> welcome to the list. i had a longer welcome via backchannel but i
think
> it is off somewhere in the wiring of things
now.
> >>
>
>
Are whole gobs missing? I'll have to
check the Burroughs site out. Maybe
>
write something about the last supper I had with him and Ginsberg. Both
>
proper gentlemen. Appearing to clean up their act. Shaking hands with babies.
>
Reciting Shakespeare. Checking out the .38 Special. Rolling a joint. Roasting
>
lamb chops. Fiddling with a hand painted tie. Ginsberg tidying up the
>
kitchen. Washing dishes in a tie. Oh my. The sobbing Vortex howls.
>
Charles Plymell
were
you in tie and shaking babies with 38s in hand as well ?
david
rhaesa
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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Re: Ann Charters Interview
Thanks
for the interest in helping, Charles...
I believe it is issue # 24,
Spring
1996. Hopefuly, you'll have it.
BTW, I
hope I'm not coming off as too much of a hard ass to you or anyone
else
with some of my more recent posts. I'm
just extremely concerned with
some of
the rhetoric and innuendo that's been offered as "proof" of what is
really
going on with the estate situation, hence my desire to dig a little
deeper.
Jerry
Cimino
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Subject: Re: It's a Small World, After All
Linda,
The
shows title aroused my curiousity--what's it about.
J
Stauffer
Linda
Highland wrote:
>
>
Were members of this list at the "Velvet Years" opening at the
>
Photogaphiuc Resource Center in Boston
this evening,
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Subject: Re: Jack's Intentions
Jerry,
l
admire your persistence in trying to get at the truth in this muddle.
I still
have to agree with Leon's original statement on this. Clearly
Jack
didn't do this right, but what he did do has to really be the
determining
factor. If the will is forged, Gerry
and his forces are
clearly
right. If the will isn't, as I read
these posts the material is
the
legal property of the folks currently controlling it. They may not
make
the decisions that we would like, but they are free to make their
own bad
choices. Ultimately, as Leon points
out, it goes back to Jack
at
least as much as any other evil characters here. As badly as Jack
treated
his daughter it is hard to straighten out his mistakes for him.
I don't
have any evidence, and am just going to count on the system
(desperate
thought) to sort out smoking guns from smoke and mirrors.
In
reference to Gerry's post, apparantly my source referenced the wrong
Jack
Kerouac warrant as the one Jan sold, but the point is the same.
Gerry
says the warrant isn't important, a copy will do fine. How is
this
different than asserting that the original texts aren't important,
scholars
can do just as well with copies? I
guess I'm missing something
here. We also hear that it is wrong to keep
letters from being
published,
presumably so as not to affect living people, as in the
example
dealing with Whalen's personal life. I
agree, I'm all for full
disclosure,
but holding this stuff back until the participants are gone
is, or
has been, a fairly standard practice, whether I like it or not.
And I
keep swearing I won't enter this quagmire.
J
Stauffer
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: CORNIX applet
Comments:
To: stutz@dsl.org, mike@buchenroth.com, pscalia@nh.ultranet.com,
blove@wylieagency.com,
Jwhite333@aol.com, stand666@bitstream.net,
pottsca@wwics.com,
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rbove@duke.poly.edu, Seward23@aol.com,
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Dear
Mike:
I
checked the flashing words through the computers at school, and my director
ordered
a program for the writing lab. I'm very
interested in the effects.
It
shows the mind can assimilate words faster than we speak and also shows
that
our former "mind chunk" teaching pedagogy may not be including a more
digital
generation that is reading city signs flashing neon roads, stop
lights,
directions, etc.
I set
some students in front of it. One with obvious language difficulties
could
interpret the message easier, one was afraid of its strobe like effect
and
made her uncomfortable. My director, I think, was interested when I said
it
calmed me down. Possibly it may be a good device instead of Ritlin for
younger
kids. I see a lot of what I call borderline disability in accessing
language
that frustrates especially as a group, young men. I'm posting
Buchenroth
to see if he can work one of my bebop poems through the word flash
at
about 450rpm. He is building an incredible site for me. Do you have any
further
advice or developments or ideas. Please contact me
(pam@cherryvalley.com)
and check out Michael's site. He has posted my
autobiography
and my reefer madness essay and the announcement of my new book
Robbing
the Pillars for Gen. X in the Age of Apostasy.
(www.buchenroth.com/cplymell.html
Charles
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From: Linda Highland <lrgh@WEBTV.NET>
Subject: Re: Rolling Stone [OFF TOPIC NON-BEAT]
Re:why
U-2 or their agents may feel publicity is imperative--according
to this
week's Newsweek, their TV Special (recent, I infer) was the
lowest
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Subject: Re: It's a Small World, After All
For
James and anyone else who puzzled over my somewhat cryptic mention
of the
Velvet years:
The
Velvet Years is an exhibit of photos taken by Steven Shore in Andy
Warhol's
factory around the time the Velvet Underground were still part
of
it. The gentlemen discusing Beat-list type subjects were standing
in this
area. However, a concurrent show was
running called "Extended
Play-Between
a Rock and a Hard Place", which was art work from various
mucisians--Patti
Smith, Kim Gordon, Lou Reed, Willie Alexander, Fred
Frith, and others.
This exhibit included a couple stills from Pull My
Daisy
and a rather wonderful shot of Keroauc listening to himself on the
radio. Unfortunately, I do not remember off hand
the musican
photographers
of these particular works, though I suspect it was John
Cohen.......
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For
anyone who's interested, there will be a memorial service and concert
in Ann
Arbor on May 24th in honor of Allen Ginsberg.
Patti Smith and
Natalie
merchant are playing and i think Anne Waldman is
speaking...There's
also some sort of poetry
contest. As usual, tickets are available through
Ticketmaster (does this
seem
weird to anyone else??)
Tracy
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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
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>Dear
James: May 8, 1997
>
> Will my "backchannel"
opponents never tire of mudslinging?
GERRY I
THINK WE ON THE LIST HAVE SEEN YOU DO YOUR SHARE OF MUDSLINGING
> (I guess it's easier than answering
why John Sampas isn't putting
>the
Kerouac archive in a library.)
GERRY
YOU KNOW QUITE WELL THAT JOHN SAMPAS HAS PLACED (THROUGH HIS DEALER)
MANY
KEROUAC ITEMS IN THE BERG COLLECTION OF THE NY PUBLIC LIBRARY> WHY ARE
YOU
HIDING THIS KIND OF STUFF FROM THE BEAT-L LIST? HERE IS A LETTER THAT
WAS
SENT TO THE EDITOR OF THE LOWELL SUN FROM RODNEY PHILLIPS ASSOCIATE.
DIRECTOR
OF HUMANITIES AND SOCIAL SCIENCES AT THE BERG. Here Goes:
THE NEW
YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY
The
Research Libraries-Fifth Avenue and 42 Street, New York 10018-2788
The
Sun June 17,1994
Lowell,
Massachusetts 01800
Dear
Editors:
In an effort to counteract the
misinformation and disinformation
promulgated
concerning
the New York Public Library and the papers of Jack Kerouac, I
must
take issue with the letter to the editor written by Gerald Nicosia that
appeared
in the June 12 issue of the Sun. Simply stated, as reported, Mr.
Nicosia
misconstrued my remarks.
To begin with, I did not, nor would I
ever describe the New York
Public
Library's collection of Jack Kerouac manuscripts as "a few". The Berg
collection
of English and American Literature has purchased nine major
manuscripts,
including Beat Generation (a play), Book of Dreams,Book of
sketches,
Lucien Midnight,Maggie Cassady, Mexico City Blues, Passing
Through,
Satori in Paris, and Some of the Dharma.
Although these manuscripts were
purchased primarily from one rare
book
and manuscript dealer, it has always been clear to the library that
these
manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac as
represented
by John Sampas. Furthermore,it has been similarly clear that Mr.
Sampas
would "like" all the Kerouac papers to come to The New York Public
Library.
The New York Public Library has signed
a legal deposit agreement
with
Mr. Sampas to temporarily store the manuscript scroll of On the Road
for
safekeeping in the Library's secure, climate-controlled storage areas. I
have
never characterized this as "simply holding the scroll manuscript"
Although
the library has no plans to physically conserve the scroll since it
does
not belong to us, it should be noted that we plan to commission a
conservation
survey of it. While I told Mr. Nicosia that the library could
never
hope to own the scroll if it's asking price was truly one million
dollars,
I must add that I have never been told the scroll's asking price by
anyone
except Mr. Nicosia.
I hope this will clear up some of the
inaccuracies and ambiguities
in Mr.
Nicosia's account of his conversation with me.
Sincerely,
Rodney Phillips
Associate Director,
Humanities & Social Sciences
Are you
going to try and tell us on the list that you have never read this
letter?
I have asked you nicely to stop trashing the volunteers of Lowell
Celebrates
Kerouac but instead you continue to promulgate untruths such as:
"The
only thing I left out is that federal funding was cut from the
Lowell
Kerouac Committee after complaints were made to the National Park
Service
about the partisan use of funding for past Kerouac events. Even the
National
Park Service doesn't think your committee deserves funding any
more--so
why should I fund it?
This is
totally untrue Lowell Celebrates Kerouac ended their relationship
with
the National Park Service because in return for their support they
wanted
to dictate our program (like most government agencies). We chose to
retain
our independence. WE MADE THAT DECISION GERRY NOT THEM. We continue
to have
an amicable, but unofficial relationship with them.
"Tell Sampas to get on here
himself, so we can stop running around
in
circles and get to the heart of the matter.
You
know damn well John Sampas is not going to come on this list and argue
with
you.
Quite
frankly he couldn't be bothered with someone he considers a slanderer.
"The
problem is, my archive has been closed to the public. This
happened
about two years ago, after John Sampas went to speak with the
librarian,
to complain that the public should not have access to this
material
without his permission."
You
know this isn't true you have talked to Martha Mayo. The archive isn't
"closed"
and it had nothing to do with John Sampas. I explained what
happened
in a previous post.
Gerry I
will ask you again please keep your beef with Sampas private and
don't
try to hurt people who work hard to promote Kerouac in his own
hometown
such as the people of Lowell Celebrates Kerouac.
Again
Gerry you must know of the numerous items placed in the Berg
Collection
by John Sampas. Why do you try to hide these facts. I bet you
could
even get a list if you tried but that wouldn't serve your cause would
it
Gerry? Phil Chaput
> Jan Kerouac did not sell the Lucien
Carr material witness warrant.
> Jan sold the warrant (belonging to her
mother) which sought Jack
>Kerouac
to pay child support. It was given her
by her mother. She made
>several
copies of it before she sold it. It is
not the kind of document
>which
is important for scholars who are studying the composition process of
>Jack
Kerouac. I will place a copy on deposit
in the Bancroft Library, along
>with
Jan's whole archive, if John Lash ever lets me.
> Jan sold it because she needed the
money to bring Paul Blake Jr.'s
>son,
young Paul III, to speak in his father's place in New York, at a press
>conference
announcing the filing of her Florida lawsuit in 1994. It was
>important
for someone to represent Blake's point of view there.
> The person who bought the warrant, as
I understand it, was John
>Sampas's
lawyer, GEORGE TOBIA. Since then, the
Sampases have used that fact
>to
claim, over and over, that Jan would simply sell off Jack Kerouac's whole
>archive
piecemeal if she got the same chance.
> Neither Mr. Tobia nor Mr. Sampas could
have been too interested in
>the
actual warrant if they never even bothered to read it. In any case, we
>can
rest assured that it's in good hands.
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
>
>
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Charley,
I'll be
very interested to see what you do with this.
I
looked at the Cornix site and was fascinated, despite it being rather
to much
for my screen and my computers brain power.
My first sense was
that it
would be limiting for poetry because I would miss the sense of
rythm
in the line and the stanza. I supose,
however, that one could
find
ways to use rythm in the way the words flash.
Great potential for
a lot
of things, and I think you sense of possible value for kids with
reading
problems of whatever attention deficit etc is is really
interesting.
James
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Linda,
Suspected
a Velvet Underground thing. Sounds like
a couple of
interesting
shows.
J
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James
Stauffer wrote:
>
>
Charley,
>
>
I'll be very interested to see what you do with this.
>
> I
looked at the Cornix site and was fascinated, despite it being rather
> to
much for my screen and my computers brain power. My first sense was
>
that it would be limiting for poetry because I would miss the sense of
>
rythm in the line and the stanza. I
supose, however, that one could
>
find ways to use rythm in the way the words flash. Great potential for
> a
lot of things, and I think you sense of possible value for kids with
>
reading problems of whatever attention deficit etc is is really
>
interesting.
>
>
James
I have
a step-sister with ADD and she is much more of a visual learner.
i
really think it could help her and others with the illness.
as for
the rhythm hmmm.m.m.m, i ain't got none anyway !?!?!?!?!
i tried
it out. i was thinking, how long would
it take me to read all
of the
folks that my illiterate nature means i should read. it seems
like a
great device.
the
question of course is getting works in public domain or at least
educational
use texts so that they can be incorporated with the
technology. my hunch is that it will become something of
a hurdle....
david
rhaesa
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From: Nick Weir-Williams
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Subject: New JK books for Fall
This
week's Publishers Weekly has an article about Jack and publication.
Viking
Penguin are publishing a 40th anniversary edition of OTR (which
currently
sells 60,000 copies a year) complete with the Millstein NYTBR
review
that hailed its publication as a 'historic occasion'. Additionally,
a
marathon commemorative reading series will be held along the original
route
taken in OTR, and there'll be a major Authors Guild fundraising event
featuring
Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR
chapters
for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)
ALSO
Viking are bringing out "SOME OF THE DHARMA", described as "An
in-depth
study of
Buddhism that Kerouac completed in 1956 but could not find a
publisher
for". It was originally intended as notes for AG, bt grew to
become
"an expansion of his famous spontaneous prose methold, and includes
prayers,
poems, haikus, meditations, conversations and stories printed and
arranged
into intricate patterns and shapes"
re the
estate ... the PW article says the following. (Disclaimer - *I* am
not
saying this, don't flame me)
"After
Kerouac's death, rights to his works were owned by his widow, Stella,
wh
refused to release any unpublished work. After Stella dies in 1989, John
Sampa,
executor of Kerouac's estate, and Lord {the agent Sterling Lord, JK's
original
agent, I think? NWW} sold to Viking all of Kerouac's unpublished
materials."
This
suggests to me that, as I suggested last week, the publication of
unreleased
material is being controlled not by the estate as such, but as
business
decisions by the publisher. But i didn't know that 'all' the
unpublished
material had been sold - so presumably the estate has a mighty
big
advance for that already tucked away. It's hard to believe that Sterling
Lord
could really have allowed seven JK books to go into public domain (I'm
not
being antagonisitic, Gerry or disbelieving, it's just such a basic mistake)
Anyhow,
start saving up for Fall. The big guys are after your hard-earned...
Nick
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Subject: Re: Intro; Wm S Burroughs -Reply
Burroughs
is great, obviously.
It's
just a shame that his "best" (INHO) books are his least
well
known ones: Western Lands and Ghost of Chance.
I'm
going to be doing a course on the Beats next year - it
seems
odd that the Burroughs work on the reading list is
"Naked
Lunch", which is carefully calculated to put anyone
off
unless they're particularly determined.
Tom. H.
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Bear of Very Little Brain"
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Charles--
> I
checked the flashing words through the computers at school, and my director
>
ordered a program for the writing lab.
I'm very interested in the effects.
Great,
isn't it? I like to think of it as bringing the qualities of speech
or a
movie to the written word -- the Word is usually looked at as a huge
"chunk"
of data, but really when you make use of the Word -- when you read
-- you
look at it as moving pictures or as speech in time, from the
beginning
in the Garden of Eden to Watergate to now. This simply facilitates
the
process via computing machinery.
>Do
you have any further advice or developments or ideas.
You can
check out an article I wrote about it at
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/story/2220.html
-- there's a link in
the
article to MIT's David Small, who did some fascinating work in document
visualization
with the works of Shakespeare that is _definitely_ worth
checking
out. The immediate future of electronic texts, imho, will be along
these
lines.
I think
the applet is great, but there's lots of room for improvement: the
scrollbars
don't seem to work properly, so you can't "rewind" or
"fast-forward"
a document, and -- worst of all -- you have to manaually
create
an html document with a reference to the applet and all the text you
want to
read for any given occassion. While I've done this for some texts
(like
I'd mentioned earlier I read a couple Burroughs texts out on the net
with
this thing, it was great), it certainly isn't practical for day-to-day
use. I
believe that a solution to this is fairly trivial, and am working on
it (in
short, creating a program that you reference via an URL, such at
http://mywebsite/myprogram
and pass it variable information about what text
you
want to display -- forinstance http://mywebsite/myprogram?howl or
http://mywebsite/myprogram?kaddish
and it will generate on-the-fly "virtual"
html
documents with your text in it). Am working on putting up the
manuscript
of one of my novels in this way -- when I do it I'll send ya the
url.
cheers,
m
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Subject: Re: Intro; Wm S Burroughs -Reply
Thomas
Harberd wrote:
>
>
Burroughs is great, obviously.
>
It's just a shame that his "best" (INHO) books are his least
>
well known ones: Western Lands and Ghost of Chance.
>
I'm going to be doing a course on the Beats next year - it
>
seems odd that the Burroughs work on the reading list is
>
"Naked Lunch", which is carefully calculated to put anyone
>
off unless they're particularly determined.
>
>
Tom. H.
>
"A Bear of Very Little Brain"
>
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
i would
think some snips from Keroucian characterizations would be the
best
starting point, and Ginsberg's poem on method.
these seem easy to
incorporate
on reserve. i would also recommend showing
the video
documentary
about him b4 sinking them too quickly into the Lunch. i
think
you're right that they'd lose more than they'd gain from diving
nakedly
into Lunch. it could turn them off
dramatically to such a
genius.
david
rhaesa
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Subject: Brooklyn College Memorial for AG
Just a
reminder that the Brooklyn College Memorial for Allen Ginsberg
will
take place on Monday on the Upper Quad.
If you plan to attend,
remember
to have photo identification to show the security guard who
will
issue you a visitor's pass.Look forward to meeting any of you that
can
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>
featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR
>
chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)
What ?!?!? Please say that this is a typo.... What kind of "changes"
are
going to be done? Who is the
"Author" of these so called Changes...
Is dean
going to be looking to score some crack?
IMHO OTR is already a
timeless
piece of literary excellence...
Is there any one we can write to to
inquire about such things? And maybe
protest
against the Changing of JKs words?
You just ruined my year...
-Bill
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Well,
quite so. Hence my editorial comment. It's what the article says.
Presumably
this is one of Keillor's projects. I guess the Author's Guild are
behind
it. I think though that there's a limit to what you can 'change' of
someone's
work without permission from the estate, so I assume that this
whole
event has the blessing of the executor. Before long there'll be an
animated
Saturday morning Disneyfied On The Road with Jack and Neal and a
couple
of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America. Take a
rebellious
movement and commercialize it into something tame and cute and
nineties
(leaving out the dangerous stuff on the way of course), pay off the
survivors
by giving them Levis ads and of course lots of cash for the
undeserving
descendants. Pass the sick bag, Alice.
A bit
cynical today, sorry
Nick
>>
featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR
>>
chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)
>
> What ?!?!? Please say that this is a typo.... What kind of "changes"
>are
going to be done? Who is the
"Author" of these so called Changes...
>Is
dean going to be looking to score some crack?
IMHO OTR is already a
>timeless
piece of literary excellence...
>
> Is there any one we can write to to
inquire about such things? And
maybe
>protest
against the Changing of JKs words?
>
> You just ruined my year...
>
> -Bill
>
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>|
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>|
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
In a
message dated 97-05-09 12:50:25 EDT, you write:
<<
Before long there'll be an
animated Saturday morning Disneyfied On The
Road with Jack and Neal and a
couple of cute furry friends Driving Through
Mythical America. Take a >>
There
already was a couple of cute friends (though not furry) driving through
America
- a rip-off of OTR's popularity - it was a TV show called "Route 66."
-
JW
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
At
10:41 AM 5/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well,
quite so. Hence my editorial comment. It's what the article says.
>Presumably
this is one of Keillor's projects. I guess the Author's Guild are
>behind
it. I think though that there's a limit to what you can 'change' of
>someone's
work without permission from the estate, so I assume that this
>whole
event has the blessing of the executor.
What is
this ultra-seriousness. A Lake Wobegone
version of OTR sounds like
a
humourous type of tribute. It is a
measure of how well known and regarded
and now
classic OTR has become (BTW, I actually am not any sort of fan of
keillor
and the Wobegone stuff).
>Before
long there'll be an
>animated
Saturday morning Disneyfied On The Road with Jack and Neal and a
>couple
of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America.
That
sounds great. I hope they do this. I'll watch.
>Take
a
>rebellious
movement and commercialize it into something tame and cute and
>nineties
(leaving out the dangerous stuff on the way of course), pay off the
>survivors
by giving them Levis ads and of course lots of cash for the
>undeserving
descendants. Pass the sick bag, Alice.
>
Rebellious? Kerouac never was for rebellion. His books were not about
rebellion. He wanted to be in the in same tradition as
his forebears in
literature. He never had rebellion on his mind and the
ideas of the sixties
folk
who claimed "rebellion" didn't sit well with him.
Cassady
was never into rebellion either.
>A
bit cynical today, sorry
>
Sounds
more like starry eyed idealism than cyniism to me.
>Nick
>
Take it
easy dude.
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Ginsberg's archive
Reply
to Bill Morgan: May 9, 1997
Sorry it's taken so long to get back.
You win: the poster was dated in
September, 1994, a month after
Ginsberg
signed the Stanford contract. It seems
to me that Allen's archive
was not
on deposit there yet, if I remember correctly?
Allen and I were in heavy discussions
from April of 1994 on, since
he was
trying to talk both me and Jan out of going public concerning the
estate
issue. At one point, I remember him
defending John Sampas, saying
that
John had a "right to shop around for the library that has the most
money
to offer," and saying he was doing that kind of thing himself--though
I don't
think he mentioned Stanford specifically.
Of course, as we now learn, Jeffrey
Weinberg had already done that
job for
Sampas in 1991 and come up with the Bancroft.
I also remember a funny exchange
between me and Allen, where I told
Allen I
had heard a rumor that Sampas was checking out Japanese buyers,
because
they have so much cash, and Allen replied with his famous guilty
smirk,
half-laughing: "MAYBE I OUGHT TO DO THAT!"
Your revelation that it only took ONE
MONTH of heavy negotiation to
get the
deal concluded with Stanford throws further doubt on the credibility
of Mr.
Sampas's claim that it's taken him over six years just to begin a
deal
with the New York Public Library, a deal he reportedly needs another 17
years
to finish (what he told Allen).
Also, and you need to confirm this,
there was supposedly GOOD REASON
FOR
ALLEN TO KEEP HIS NEGOTIATIONS WITH STANFORD SECRET. I heard on the
library
grapevine that Columbia University was truly pissed off with
GInsberg
selling the stuff to Stanford, because they thought he planned to
sell it
to THEM.
As far as I know, Mr. Sampas has made
no such conflicting promises,
that
would force him to keep his library negotiations secret.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Le copertine dei libri di Jack Kerouac.
Cari
amici beats,
il primo volume di "Sulla
Strada" l'ho acquistato
nel
novembre 1969, sull'onda della recente scomparsa
dello
scrittore. Ne ho ancora la copia. La copertina
portava
il dipinto di alcune "donne di strada" offrendo
chiaramente
all'acquirente una falsa immagine del beat.
Poi un'altra copia l'ho comprata nel
1979, e in copertina
c'era
due hippies impegnati nel fumare, nel 1980 ho comperato
l'edizione
"penguins modern classics" the cover, designed
by
Germano Facetti, shows a detail from 'The Athlete's Dream'
by
Larry Rivers, from S.C. Johnson Collection.
La copia che ho acquistato nel 1995
porta in copertina
una
bellissima foto di wim wenders.
Faccio notare come JK for himself
painted a cover picture
for the
1th edidiotn of OTR.
Le immagini (photos, paintings,
picture, movie, films) sono
parte
essenziale nella comunicazione e nel linguaggio,
saluti
da Rinaldo.
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Subject: A Question for G. Nicosia/not Estate
related!!
Hello
Gerry,
Someone
recently passed on to me an extra copy of the Grove
Press
Publication of _Memory Babe_ (mine is
is
disarray) and as I was perusing this copy I noticed
that
pgs 97-128 were missing. There has been
no
tampering
with this copy (pages ripped out, etc.), as far
as I
can tell because there would be obvious signs
(the
gap in the binding). Was there problems
w/
the
orginal publishing, or did I stumble upon a
misprint? Just curious.
Thanx,
Mike
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
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Yeh,
you're right, i'm being over-serious today. It's only books, after all.
But
Idon't know about the rebellion bit. I think everyone goes a little
overboard
about the conservative Kerouac, and how much he hated the sixties
etc. At
the time the books were read as a challenge to society, to
contemporary
literary styles and moral values, and were thought of as
dangerous
and corrupting, wern't they? With hindsight, it's too easy to say
it was
all 'within a tradition'. Sure, he was jumping off from Wolfe etc,
but
surely he *thought* he was being rebellious in his literary style, in
his
religious explorations, in his 'lifestyle' etc.
A
society deals with its rebels best by accomodating them into the
mainstream
and thereby taking the sting out of the tail. The word 'classic'
is one
way of doing this. I think the Beats really did have a sting, which
is why
we're still here yakking away about them.
Nick
>What
is this ultra-seriousness. A Lake
Wobegone version of OTR sounds like
>a
humourous type of tribute. It is a
measure of how well known and regarded
>and
now classic OTR has become (
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Subject: Literary History of the Beats
As
another of the books to be printed this year, does anyone have
any
facts relating to the supposed October publication of Allen
Ginsberg's
LITERARY HISTORY OF THE BEATS? It sounds like an autumn
flood
of works coming out of these publishing houses, and
HarperCollins
has price etc already set for this particular item.
Does
anyone (eg. Bill Morgan?) have the dope on the scope of this
book,
say, is it an honest to goodness history, a series of essays,
an
anthology of some sort?
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May 9,
1997
I suggest we make Rinaldo Rasa Poet
Laureate of the Beat List. If
we
don't save Jack Kerouac's archive, his great cut-up poem of May 4 may be
the best
thing to come out of all these years of struggle.
Rinaldo, piacere di fare la vostra
conoscenza! Mio padre era
siciliano,
non ciprioto! Di quale parte d'italia
lei vene?
(Forgive my rusty Italian.)
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Kerouac Street
Hoping someone in the Bay Area will
know this one. Saw Jack Kerouac
Street
recently in San Francisco. When was
this street named and who was
responsible? Was there some kind of ceremony? With
beats? Was Kerouac
family
there? Or did the city crew
just
roll up and put up a sign?
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
At
12:21 PM 5/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Yeh,
you're right, i'm being over-serious today. It's only books, after all.
>But
Idon't know about the rebellion bit. I think everyone goes a little
>overboard
about the conservative Kerouac, and how much he hated the sixties
>etc.
At the time the books were read as a challenge to society, to
>contemporary
literary styles and moral values, and were thought of as
>dangerous
and corrupting, wern't they?
I think
this is true, my point is that this is not what kerouac intended and
was
surprised by this response.
You
know, there has been a lot of "rebel" or "revolutionary"
literature
produced
all over the world.
It is
usually specious and boring.
Any
revolutionary nature of Kerouac's books didn't come from an attempt to
produce
revolutionary literature.
With hindsight, it's too easy to say
>it
was all 'within a tradition'. Sure, he was jumping off from Wolfe etc,
>but
surely he *thought* he was being rebellious in his literary style, in
>his
religious explorations, in his 'lifestyle' etc.
>
>A
society deals with its rebels best by accomodating them into the
>mainstream
and thereby taking the sting out of the tail. The word 'classic'
>is
one way of doing this. I think the Beats really did have a sting, which
>is
why we're still here yakking away about them.
>
>Nick
>
>
>>What
is this ultra-seriousness. A Lake
Wobegone version of OTR sounds like
>>a
humourous type of tribute. It is a
measure of how well known and regarded
>>and
now classic OTR has become (
>**************************************************************************
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Carborundum Illegitimis*
>It's
better to die on your feet than to live on your knees
>
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Weir-Williams
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Subject: exploding text complete/fairly long
Dearest
listmembers, here it is completed. I
hope you like it. I thought
it came
out to be quite a nice tribute. Below
is intro to hardcopy I will
be
creating for Saturday and following, the text itself. I am truly looking
forward
to reading/performing this for the L.A. crowd, I hear the phone is
ringing
alot re the tribute, got pick of the week in The L.A. Weekly. The
show is
a bit top heavy with 25 performers and an open to follow. They are
talking
about rigging sound for the outside lawn for those that either can't
pay to
get in or just couldn't get in because of room. If you know of
anyone
coming, tell them to say that they are poets and I believe there is a
discount. It's ten bucks at the door with student,
artist and senior
discount
rates. The money is for buying Allen's
books for the Beyond
Baroque
library/store.
all the
best
xxxooo
s.a.
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Readers
of artifact in hand &
Howl To
The Bard : Cut & Paste
While
four wheeling city of angels I was brain
storming
with wind and rain and this here flash :
I am on
Internet Beat List.
I am to
be a part of Allen Ginsberg tribute
May
10th at Beyond Baroque in Venice, Ca.
In the
tradition of those we talk about, think
about
and look to here on said list I will alter/add
to
Ginsberg's piece "On Burroughs Work"
then
e-mail to whomever wishes to participate
by
altering/adding then send it back and
so on
via
backmail to me until it is "finished" or the week
is
up. It is imperative that whomever
jumps onto
this
trip work fast. Not much time to think
about it,
and in
the rules of J.K.'s spontaneous writing, it's
what
works best. I will take the completed
project
with me
to tribute and read/perform it for folks there.
I
wanted netusers to come with me on my adventure :
The
Twisted Caddy gassed up and ready to roll down
international
superhighway of starry night singalong
where
comets burn in wake of gas, coffee and words
as
together we do it all and gather freely in nets of
language.
I
thought that this was a creative way to approach
this in
the spirit of Allen and The Beats.
Bring it
into
the present and out of the clambake of nostalgia
by
launching him into strange new gravity of
cyberspace
holy.
xxxooo
S.A.
Griffin
Thanks
to Mike Bruner, Olly Ruff, David Rhaesa, Derek Beaulieu, Marie
Countryman,
Michael Stutz & James Stauffer for their words to the wise guy.
Thanks
to Jersey girl librarian Lorraine Perrotta who makes everything possible.
Exploding text from original by Allen
Ginsberg:
Altered/added to by S.A. Griffin, Mike
Bruner,
Olly Ruff, David Rhaesa, Derek Beaulieu,
Marie Countryman, Michael Stutz, & James Stauffer
****************************************************
On the Work of Burroughs
The method must be purest meat
of sharktalk, spoor
straight no chaser: at every bitter end
people leave and you're left
of center
of norm
of sexuality & spirituality
of soul & truth
Madness unadorned.
Real not allegorical & it's
all like it was
before :
William's Red Wheelbarrow you
Must have seen in
Patterson w/Blake
old and empty like the room before
they came
take that first step again ; down an
even darker road
into what's been bothering you,
swallow heads and tails whole
& yes,
it feels
as
tho the vortex has opened
becoming
Dorothy &
Burroughs
is the
Great Oz with
toy
balloon
Toto a 1,000 Cosmic Cats
staring at millennium
change
& there are currents in the air as
Cats inhale Bop Poetics
breeething deeply the air of
supermarkets & streets
where you
chose to radiate peace
. . . perhaps it's time again for
revolution
classless
empty without form
peaceful Dharma Lion gait I see
you walk in
Mind's Eye
see you walk and wonder what you'd
say to this today?
I could never answer but it is all
here
house full of machinery that I
angelheaded hipster
strove to search for starry wonder in
mechanical Indra's Net all night
and now it's all in synch. . .
dead forgotten timezone airwaves : we
communicate freely over
endless Kansas wheatfields
& tenement lower east side apts
& diners & poisonous tomatoes
of yr
mother's holy kaddish
and no symbolic dressing,
actual visions &
actual prisons of imaginary dungeons
and not yet from a distance as
surrounded by you now
as seen then and now.
"dreaming of a
key..."
inside the dream machines
we become
anti-temporal-recordings
that
twist past the
prerecorded
universe
that
begins
and ends
with one
or two midwest
Kansas
synapses ...
Prisons of psychic abstractions and
visions presented as
sheet lightning filmset backdrops
in all the cracks of
sidewalk
& in the leaves of grass
which are now rising from their
long winter sleep beneath the melting
snow
with rare descriptions
corresponding exactly to those
of Alcatraz and Apocalypse Rose...
(with no Clint Eastwood style
hollywood
escape/ing the words of yr
holy moods)
Stopping for refills of gas and coffee
and love
counting virtual billboards
between
mirages on life's superhighway
where we face the information & sort thru the confusion
&
information overload for the last gem
of truth
looking in every wingmirror
wanting for something not so real
- catching a glimpse
of the selfsame prisons. but :-
prisons without bars are holy
like
skin is holy
baseball holy
internet holy
time holy
kiss of ages holy
holy
& where does yr beard
point tonight old grey beard?
& who do you walk with arm in
arm?
I write and pray straight stiff back out
toward Heaven
the thoughts that make my mind and make
me feast on
naked lunch of Purest meat
Cholesterol and all. Not even
Kosher..
A naked lunch is natural to us,
we eat reality sandwiches.
But allegories are so much lettuce.
& I'm still here
with you in Rockland. Eating the
sandwich you tried to teach
me to make.
& now we look to the ways in which
the words do it all
on this beautifully sad adventure
we imagine
we are
having.
they run faster and crueler
than whatever finger typed them
and sometimes we get the
feeling that we
should erase the tape
and start the
whole damned show over again
now &
now
& now
flip the tape & continue
: side two
they are not things
that could feasibly be used
for your own purpose ; you are
trying to unlock them
or else use them to unlock things
and sometimes you yourself are
the thing unlocked.
We gaze at wide mad
wonder of life,
love of life,
love of last long-gone
dewdrop mad prison of this
world as heady
Indian angel visitations in a million
moments of
dreaming for love of life found in
holy visions of summer
you know i was
thinking
the other day in the Dillon's
down on
Massachusetts Avenue
and i decided
that the locks were always
just a dream
and i was
glad that
i spent time with
such
a good and
dear friend
as
Allen
Ginsberg
when I first met you and
fell in love with yr
holy soul jelly
roll,
grateful for our
friendship
and only
hope that I
can face the remaining dream
of life
with the rest of the
living
until that
day
when
the Western Lands are opened by an
angry big mouth tornado in a
hurry cane tin pan
alley
and we all
honeymoon together
in the abyssinian
wheatfields
of
eternity.
poets holy :
tell me
which way yr
love points Allen
denver sf ny kyoto czech & shared beard of cuba
tonite in the perfume of
yr passion yet to
spend
dollars of soulmatra heart coin
to the cia fbi & raygun
dollars of bomb
stars
breath
expand with
music
exponential
exponent tail
of heartbeat
holy
hear ear & heart of sacred cock
& cunt
chest
holy
asshole holy
heart of mind holy I
hear you
In the sf waves and Erie shore
Ferlinghetti waves of Allen,
waves of lakes and waves
of heart,
I hear you call :
Are you my angel?
I hear what you say and I now write
to the world to do it:
rise up! rise up! and claim
this world!
radiate one thousand years in peacedance of
heaven earthbound childhood
visions
holy!
holy!
holy!
Don't hide the madness.
A word to the wise guy.
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granted
i don'
t like
the idea either of rewriting his prose, but my suggestion of what
to be
done is -- if you dont like it ignore it! i mean, organize a
PROTEST?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Eric
On Fri,
9 May 1997, Bill Philibin wrote:
>
> featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR
>
> chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)
>
> What ?!?!? Please say that this is a typo.... What kind of
"changes"
>
are going to be done? Who is the
"Author" of these so called Changes...
> Is
dean going to be looking to score some crack?
IMHO OTR is already a
>
timeless piece of literary excellence...
>
> Is there any one we can write to to
inquire about such things? And
maybe
>
protest against the Changing of JKs words?
>
> You just ruined my year...
>
> -Bill
>
>
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>
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It is not a bolt to be tightened
> |
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> |
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: S.Marco Place - venerdi' 9 maggio 1997,
Venezia.
Otto
uomini=20
e un
solo fucile
VENEZIA
- E' stato confermato che sono otto gli uomini del commando di
Piazza
San Marco. Sono Fausto Faccia, Flavio Contin, Moreno Nemini, Cristian
Contin,
Gilberto Buron, Luca Peroni, Andrea Viviani, Antonio Barison. I
carabinieri
hanno inoltre confermato che il commando era armato di un solo
fucile
"Mab" con due serbatoi e complessivamente 70 colpi. Inoltre il
commando
era in possesso di una attrezzatura idonea a interferire sulle
frequenze
radio-televisive.=20
Andrea
Viviani, 26 anni, di Colognola ai Colli (Verona), Fausto Faccia, 30,
di Agna
(Padova), Cristian Contin, 23, e lo zio Flavio Contin, 55, entrambi
di
Urbana (Padova) sono gi=E0 stati indagati dalla Procura della Repubblica=
di
Verona.
Non erano entrati nell'inchiesta del giudice Papalia Moreno Menini,
di 20
anni di Tregnago (Verona); Luca Peroni, di 28 anni di Zevio (Verona);
Antonio
Barison, di 41 anni di Conselve (Padova); e Gilberto Buson, di 46
anni di
Pernumia (Padova).=20
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: La Serenissima Repubblica di Venezia.
1797-1997
Commando
"indipendentista"=20
occupa
San Marco: tutti arrestati
<Picture>VENEZIA
- Un commando di "indipendentisti" ha occupato questa notte
il
campanile di San Marco proclamando l'indipendenza del Veneto.
L'intervento
di agenti speciali dei carabinieri ha concluso il "blitz" e
portato
in carcere i componenti del gruppo, otto persone, che si sono
dichiarati
prigionieri politici. Uno degli arrestati, Antonio Barison, 41
anni,
di Conselve (Padova), si =E8 sentito male dopo essere stato condotto
nella
caserma dei=20
carabinieri,
dove sarebbe stato chiesto l'intervento di un tenente medico.
Successivamente
Barison =E8 stato ricoverato nel reparto di rianimazione
dell'ospedale
civile di Venezia, dove =E8 piantonato da alcuni agenti di
polizia.
La direzione sanitaria e i medici mantengono il massimo riserbo sia
sulla
diagnosi sia sulle condizioni di salute del=20
paziente.
L'attacco
era cominciato questa notte all'una con il sequestro di un
traghetto,
dal quale =E8 sbarcato con un mezzo anfibio militare e un=
pulmino.
Sul
campanile "occupato" =E8 stata innalzata la bandiera di San Marco=
definita
del
Veneto Serenissimo Governo. L'azione dovrebbe essere partita dal Lido di
Venezia.=20
Il
commando ha costretto il comandante del traghetto a trasportare un camion
con
rimorchio, nel quale era celato il mezzo militare con due bocche da
fuoco,
probabilmente di fabricazione straniera, con la sigla VTMB07. Il
commando
ha "occupato" quindi Piazza San Marco. Alcuni incursori, che si
presume
armati, sono rimasti dentro il mezzo militare, altri si sono recati
nel
campanile per innalzare il vessillo. Gli incursori si sono dichiarati al
comandante
del traghetto delle linee di navigazione interno dicendo: "Questa
=E8 una
azione militare". Subito sono affluiti sul posto ingenti forze di
polizia,
carabinieri e Guardia di Finanza.=20
Alle
6,30 gli incursori hanno trasmesso il primo comunicato diramato su
Raiuno
con una interferenza piratesca, sul tipo delle altre interferenze
(nove
fino alle ultime di Belluno e Verona), compiute sui telegiornali
nazionali.
Il comunicato dice: "Parliamo a nome del Serenissimo governo e
comunichiamo
ai veneti che dopo 200 anni questa notte su ordine del Veneto
Serenissimo
Governo un reparto regolare della Veneta Serenissima Armata ha
liberato
Piazza S. Marco. Oggi rinasce la Veneta Serenissima Repubblica che
riprende
a vincere perch=E9 noi l'abbiamo dotata della nostra incrollabile
fede
affinch=E9 essa viva". Il comunicato conclude con "Viva S.
Marco".=20
L'azione
=E8 stata compiuta alla vigilia delle celebrazioni del Bicentenario
della
Serenissima che avranno luogo domenica, organizzate dalla Lega, e=
luned=EC,
promosse
dalla regione Veneto. Domani, inoltre, Piazza S. Marco ospiter=E0=
il
giuramento
solenne delle truppe anfibie lagunari eredi dei fanti da Mar
della
Serenissima.
Dopo
l'arrivo delle autorit=E0 un giovane incursone, con il volto bendato,=
ha
parlato
con le forze dell'ordine, dicendo che sono determinati ed agiranno
se
minacciati: "Non vogliamo creare disordini", ha aggiunto. Il commando
si
considera
appartenente
alla
"Forza regolare della Serenissima armata". Il giovane si mostrava
nervoso
e concitato. Al comandante del traghetto
avevano
dichiarato "questa =E8 una azione di guerra". Il mezzo blindato
impiegato
=E8 vecchio e di probabile fabbricazione
straniera.
Il pulmino =E8 probabilmente lo stesso utilizzato per le
interferenze
televisive, a bordo ci sarebbe infatti l'apparecchiatura che ha
consentito
stamane la diramazione del comunicato sul Tg1 delle 6,30. Quando
hanno
compiuto l'incursione, Piazza San Marco era pressoch=E9 deserta.=
Subito
si =E8
affollata di forze dell'ordine ed =E8 stata sorvolata anche da un
elicottero
della Guardia di Finanza.
Il
procuratore della Repubblica Smitti ha sottolineato che "ci sono
certamente
reati" e si =E8 chiesto
come
tanti altri se vale la pena fare una cosa del genere.
"Come
primo giudizio si pu=F2 dire che =E8 una cosa folle, ma =E8
una
cosa folle organizzata sul posto apparentemente con armi,
quindi
estremamente seria". L'accesso a Piazza S. Marco =E8
stato
bloccato dalle forze dell'ordine che vi hanno creato un cordone.
Pi=F9
tardi agenti dei corpi speciali armati dei carabinieri (Gis) sono=
saliti
sul
campanile da una scala telescopica e sono entrati nell'edificio. Secondo
Smitti
l'azione =E8 stata decisa dopo che era fallito qualsiasi tentativo di
trattativa.
"Ci auguriamo - ha detto Smitti - che non sia necessario il
ricorso
alle armi".
Secondo
alcune testimonianze all'interno del campanile sono stati sparati
alcuni
lacrimogeni ma nessun colpo di arma=20
da
fuoco. Alcuni componenti del commando sono stati bloccati=20
dagli
agenti dei corpi speciali e sono stati visti uscire dal=20
campanile
scortati dalle forze dell'ordine.
I
componenti del commando sono stati tutti arrestati. Vengono loro
contestati
fra l'altro i reati di associazione sovversiva, banda armata,
sequestro
di persona.
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hello,
could
anybody send me a copy of this mentioned piece if they have it
saved.
i was on a Beat-l sabbatical so missed the past few weeks list
events.
this and or or anything else of interested would be appreciated.
thnks,
Eric
On Fri,
9 May 1997, Gerald Nicosia wrote:
> May
9, 1997
>
> I suggest we make Rinaldo Rasa Poet
Laureate of the Beat List. If
> we
don't save Jack Kerouac's archive, his great cut-up poem of May 4 may be
>
the best thing to come out of all these years of struggle.
> Rinaldo, piacere di fare la vostra
conoscenza! Mio padre era
>
siciliano, non ciprioto! Di quale parte
d'italia lei vene?
> (Forgive my rusty Italian.)
> Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Today in Venice.
09-MAG-97
07:44 NNN
GEN:
VENICE'S ST MARK'S OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS
(ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - Venice's St Mark's
square was sealed
off by
police this morning after a group of five or six people
believed
to be armed occupied the belltower where they unfurled
the
flag of the old Republic of Venice.
The group reportedly reached Tronchetto,
on the mainland,
shortly
after midnight aboard two vehicles. There they
commandeered
a ferry with a small number of passengers aboard
and
ordered the captain to take them and their vehicles to the
St
Mark's stop.
Witnesses said the men in the group were
wearing camouflage
fatigues
and carrying machine-guns and pistols which may or may
not be
real weapons. One of the vehicles they were driving was
described
as a camper and the other as having the appearance of
an
armored troop carried.
Early this morning, a weak radio signal
broadcast from the
top of
the belltower cut in on local public radio broadcasting
with
the message, delivered in a heavy Venetian accent, that the
St
Mark's belltower had been occupied by the ''serenissimo''
government,
the government of the old Republic of Venice.
(MORE).
GY
09-MAG-97
08:34 NNN
GEN:
VENICE'S ST MARK'S OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS (2)
Venice police chief Umberto Cernetig and
the provincial
Carabinieri
police commander, Emilio Borghini, later approached
the
troop carrier where they were told, by a masked man in
fatigues
that the group was awaiting the arrival of the
''ambassador
of the Republic of Venice''.
May 12 marks the 200th anniversary of the
demise of the
republic
which came under foreign domination for the first time
when
Venice was occupied by French troops in 1797.
(MORE).
GY
09-MAG-97
08:34 NNN
GEN:
VENICE'S ST MARK'S OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS (3)
Later in the morning, the six or seven
people who had been
occupying
the belltower were flushed out by members of a special
Carabinieri
police unit. These special agents erected a
telescopic
ladder on the side of the belltower which they
climbed
to gain entry. Inside, they apparently used teargas.
Also taken into custody were two men from
inside the
separatists'
camper and another two inside the armored troop
carrier.
On the scene, a Finance Police lieutenant
colonel said the
Carabinieri
police were still conducting a sweep of the inside
of the
belltower and that no gunshots had been heard.
(MORE).
GY
09-MAG-97
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(ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - A total of eight
members of the
self-styled
'Government of the Republic of Venice' were taken
into
custody by the end of the operation in St Mark's square and
belltower.
A close inspection of the vehicle
described as an armored
troop
carrier disclosed that it was a van assembled out of old
body
panels over three axles and eight wheels. The other vehicle
involved,
the camper, was found to contain leaflets and other
documents
plus radio transmitters.
During the operation, police found two
machine-guns, a Mab
and a
Stern, which may or may not have been in working order.
Venice Mayor Massimo Cacciari, on the
scene, thanked the
crack
Carabinieri unit for the assault on the belltower and
reported
that he had learned of the occupation of the monument
only in
the morning because his telephone answering machine was
broken.
(MORE).
GY
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Northern League leader Umberto Bossi, who
staged a three-
day
march along the Po River in September last year to declare
the
''independence of the Padania'', said today's actions were
''crazy,
stuff to be laughed at. I saw it on Tv this morning. It
was
something unreal and spectacular at the same time,'' said
the MP
who secessionist talk has been muted thus far this year.
An assistant public prosecutor put in
charge of the case,
Rita
Ugolini, said she would hold a press conference at noon
(local).
(END).
GY
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MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS... FIRST ADD
(ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - As the occupation
of the St Mark's
belltower
was scaled back from an armed assault in the historic
square
to a spectacular demonstration, Defense Minister
Beniamino
Andreatta in Rome lavished praise on the GIS, the
Carabinieri
rapid intervention unit.
These men, said Andreatta in Rome,
''planned, organized and
carried
out the operation'' which came as an ''effective
demonstration
that the national community can always count on
the
professionalism and steady reliability of the Carabinieri.''
The GIS commanding officer told Ansa in
Venice that the
unit
was alerted at 0130 today (2330 gmt Thursday) and reached
Venice
from Livorno, on the north-central Tyrrhenian, two-and-
a-half
hours later, aboard an Air Force plane.
The Carabinieri policemen brought with
them an 'assault'
Range
Rover equipped with a sliding roof from which a ladder can
be
extended to a height of ten meters. After sharpshooters took
up
positions around the square and the electricity had been cut,
three
groups moved into action, one at the base of the
belltower,
one which stormed the tower loggia off the Range
Rover
ladder and another which climbed scaffolding set up around
the
monument for restoration work.
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MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS... FIRST ADD (2)
The entire operation, said the GIS
commander, lasted no
longer
than seven or eight minutes. Six of the eight men taken
into
custody were inside the belltower, where a MAB machine-gun
with 30
shells in the clip was found, and two were taken from
the
mock-up of an armored personnel carrier.
The separatists had brought food and
drink, including wine,
with
them into the belltower indicating they planned to hold out
for
some time. The Carabinieri police also came across a small
generator
the men could have used to illuminate the belltower
and
power their radio transmitter.
The GIS commander said today's operation
was less difficult
that
one completed recently in the southern Adriatic port city
of
Barletta where four armed robbers, who had shot a Carabinieri
policeman
to death and wounded another one, were holed up with
the
wife and 14-year-old son of one of the gang.
The four men captured, without firing a
shot, were fully
armed
and had hand grenades.
The eight separatist demonstrators now in
custody in Venice
could
be charged with subversive association, forming an armed
band,
illegal possession of firearms, assault on national
integrity
and kidnapping for subversive purposes.
(MORE).
GY
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MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS... FIRST ADD (3)
These charges were named here by
Carabinieri Captain Angelo
Iannone
who noted that the magistrate in charge of the case will
have
the job of filing the charges.
The kidnap count could refer to the
captain of the ferry
used by
the separatists, Giovanni Girotto, and passengers aboard
the
boat making its closing trip of the day up the Grand Canal
with
departure from the Tronchetto stop at 0020 (2220 gmt
Thursday).
Girotto reported that the men appeared
determined, were
using
two-day radios ''and did not seem particularly prepared
militarily
because they paid their fares before boarding.'' He
said
they arrived with a white camper and a truck-trailer towing
the
mock-up personnel carrier under a tarp.
The captain said neither he nor his
passengers paid special
attention
to the vehicle which appeared armored or the fact that
the men
were wearing camouflage fatigues ''because we often have
military
vehicles aboard.''
Girotto also said that when the men left
the ferry they
abandoned
the truck they had been used to tow the military-
looking
vehicle saying, ''You can give it to Scalfaro,'' Head of
State
Oscar Luigi Scalfaro.
Summing up the experience, the ferry boat
captain said the
men who
went on to occupy the square and belltower were ''crazy
guys
who believe people think like they do.''
(END).
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(ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - The eight
separatist activists
were
later revealed to have been behind recent pirate radio
transmissions
which jammed public TV broadcasts in the Veneto
with
separatist messages.
Interior Ministry Undersecretary Nicola
Sinisi said police
had
been on the trail of the jammers for weeks, and located them
two
days ago.
Searches were carried out yesterday at
the homes of five of
the
gang, but they had already left for Venice.
The pirate radio transmitters were located
in the towns of
Belluno
and Verona.
Five of those arrested are from country
towns near Padua,
and
three are from villages near Verona.
Correcting earlier reports, police said
the gang was armed
with a
single MAB machine-gun with two magazines totalling 70
rounds.
The separatists also had equipment for
jamming radio and TV
signals.
Sinisi, who flew in to Venice today with
Deputy Premier
Walter
Veltroni, said the police response to the gang might
serve
as warning to ''those tempted to imitate them.''
(MORE).
GEE
09-MAG-97
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He said the police action had shown that
recent separatist
rumblings
had not been under-estimated, but today's incident
could
mean the police guard might have to be raised further.
In Rome, a majority of political
reactions called for swift
action
to grant more autonomy to local governments in the north,
but
some, like opposition leader Silvio Berlusconi, blamed
Bossi's
secessionist rhetoric for whipping up passions.
Berlusconi said the end result was that
''the less strong,
the
less intelligent, the most exposed'' would end up paying for
Bossi's
''propaganda.''
Leading members of the Northern League
described the
incident
as ''halfway between a schoolboy prank and violent
intimidation,''
while one of the founders of the Venetian
separatist
Liga Veneta said the gang's action was
''understandable,
but not to be endorsed.''
Members of the leftwing PDS party called
for a
''mobilisation''
against secession, while PDS leader Massimo
D'Alema
called on Bossi to come back to the table of the
institutional
reform talks D'Alema is chairing.
(MORE).
GEE
09-MAG-97
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Bossi stalked out of the talks when they
were set up,
declaring
that he would have no truck with Rome political
''horse-trading.''
In other reactions, Green party MP Marco
Boato recalled
that
Italy's terrorism in the 70s and 80s, whether on the right
or
left, grew out of such ''symbolic and '' incidents
as
today's.
(END).
RED
09-MAG-97
17:45 NNN
GEN:
COMMUNIQUE DEMANDS RELEASE OF VENICE ACTIVISTS
(ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - A leaflet
demanding the release of
the
eight separatist activists who occupied the bell tower in St
Mark's
square in Venice early today was sent to the Ansa offices
in Rome
today.
The message said that if the eight were
not released within
48 hours
''we will respond to the violence of the Italian
occupiers
in such a way as to discourage any other attempt to
violate
our rights.''
The note was handed to magistrates
investigating this
morning's
assault, who said they could not exclude the
possibility
that it was genuine.
If so it was a cause of concern since it
suggested that
there
was a larger organization behind the eight men.
The message accused the authorities of
beating the eight
activists
and putting them in isolation cells.
PAR
09-MAG-97
21:32 NNN
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: CORNIX applet
Comments:
To: stutz@dsl.org
In a
message dated 97-05-09 11:35:00 EDT, you write:
<<
the Word is usually looked at as a huge
"chunk" of data, but really when
you make use of the Word -- when you read
-- you look at it as moving pictures or as
speech in time, >>
Mike:
As an
English comp instructor for many years, from an academic point of view,
the
chunking of ideas into syntatic sequences is the accepted pedagogy, but
maybe
we've been wrong or maybe digital is as digital does or maybe we need
to get
back to the Word. Like I said growing up trying to get through New
Jersey
is a series of flashing signs, signals and symbols. Chunking sounds
better
but who knows what's in store. A lot of students are fidgetal if not
digital
with nary a thread to the past.
C.
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
In a
message dated 97-05-09 12:50:25 EDT, you write:
<<
Pass the sick bag, Alice >>
Yes,
and I never got car sick from being on the road. I've always had the
uneasy
notion that Garrison Keilor would take over all of American
literature.
It's something like Quayle being the quintessential American.
C.
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What's
everyone got against Garrison Keillor??
*******
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Taylor
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: Rinaldo Rasa
Gerry
Nicosia wrote:
> May 9, 1997
>
> I suggest we make Rinaldo Rasa Poet
Laureate of the Beat List. If
>we
don't save Jack Kerouac's archive, his great cut-up poem of May 4 may be
>the
best thing to come out of all these years of struggle.
> Rinaldo, piacere di fare la vostra
conoscenza! Mio padre era
>siciliano,
non ciprioto! Di quale parte d'italia
lei vene?
> (Forgive my rusty Italian.)
> Best, Gerry Nicosia
>
Ciao
Gerry,
i miei
migliori amici sono calabresi e baresi, sono proprio
dalle
tue parti. Sono ONORATO della Laurea di Poeta Beat che
tu
proponi per la mia modesta partecipazione alla lista beat.
Ti
ringrazio con affetto, e riconoscenza. Io abito a Venezia,
nella
parte moderna, ma vicinissima al centro storico, appena
prima
del Ponte della Liberta'. Come ogni buon italiano anch'io
ho
avuto e ho parenti per il mondo, in Canada, SouthAfrica,
Svizzera,
et cetera. Da quando scrivo sulla Beat-List pero' di
italiani
ne ho visti pochi, chissa' perche'? My today venice
post is
assuming that the "happening" or countercultural, or
ethnic
event in Piazza San Marco is a feedback 'bout some
changin'
in italian feeling of the things, the guys involved
in such
"happening" (read please the ANSA report) are really people
that
came from the land, the plane land of our italy, people
not lit
or politicians... are them beat?
Hai
nostalgia dell'Italia? e della Sicilia?
ti
saluta con affetto il tuo "paesano" Rinaldo.
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins
>I
am pleased with all the reviews. My only claim was to be a
"Hobohemian"
writer,
a
>word
that I invented. Dr. Sax is a great book by a great writer.
>Charles
Plymell
Charles-- May 9, 1997
As someone who's done a fair amount of
Kerouac lit. criticism I'm
astonished
by your grasp of DR SAX. What you say
is not only solid
criticism
but it's also fun to read. You ought to
be pouring out stuff like
this in
some regular column in a cutting-edge literary magazine (if there
are any
today--maybe EXQUISITE CORPSE?) I
remember your old COLD SPRING
JOURNAL. (Do I have the title right?--memory going in
old age). Then your
stuff
ought to be collected in a book of living first-person lit. criticism
as
opposed to most of the dead 3rd-person academic stuff that gets published
regularly
and kills rather than whets young people's interest.
Maybe work it all into a memoir of
where you are now, what your new
literary
insights are. I say all this not having
read Last of the
Moccasins--I'm
deprived. I'll try to find it in our
used-book shops.
Thanks for your insights.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Olly Ruff <or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Rolling Stone [OFF TOPIC NON-BEAT]
In-Reply-To:
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On Thu,
8 May 1997, Michael Stutz wrote:
> on
about how much they "supported" sampling is what made this whole
event so
>
perverse in my eyes -- it made Bono and friends look like the depraved
>
protagonist of Bret Easton Ellis' _American Psycho_, playing in his own
>
scat.
Mind
you, the only moment approaching a quote human unquote kind of
epiphany
that the protagonist of American Psycho ever had was at a U2
concert...
layers within layers there. (When I say "human", I mean
actually
alive human) ; and it didn't last long.
Negativland
probably represent the most striking success of U2's total
image
makeover... I think U2 may have assimilated some ideas from the
people
who sampled them, which at least makes for two-way trade. In
theory,
anyhow. Well, history always was written by the winners...
Olly R.
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Subject: Re: Kerouac Street
Yr
going to get bombed w/ replies probably, but in case not, here's the
skinny. You can thank the SF Board of Supervisors
and the provoking hand of
Ferlinghetti. Kerouac Street nee Adler Alley was renamed
in ceremony
October
1988. It's all recounted in *Names of 12 SF Streets Changed to Honor
Authors
& Artists* publ City Lights, 1989.
> Hoping someone in the Bay Area will know this one. Saw Jack Kerouac
>Street
recently in San Francisco. When was
this street named and who was
>responsible? Was there some kind of ceremony? With
beats? Was Kerouac
>family
there? Or did the city crew
>just
roll up and put up a sign?
>
>
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Where I am, Mr. Tabory
Dear
Leon: May 9, 1997
It's understandable you are missing
something; this whole thing has
grown
ghastly complex after three and a half years of intense legal battles
moving
from city to city across the United States.
I hardly said I don't act from a moral basis. My primary motivation
is
moral; it sure as hell isn't financial, unless you (and Rod Anstee) can
figure
out some benefit in losing money, which is all I've been doing lately.
Here's the thing. Mr. John Lash, Jan Kerouac's heir, working
closely
with Mr. John Sampas, has taken his case to get me thrown out as Jan
Kerouac's
literary executor to the appellate court in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
I
cannot fight for Jack Kerouac's archive in Florida until that very same
Santa
Fe court gives me the green light. That
court may very well turn on a
red
light, and my quest to save Jack Kerouac's archive will be over, finito,
gone,
daddy.
Right now, I cannot do anything that
Mr. Lash can use as ammunition
in
Santa Fe, to show that I am less than competent as Ms. Kerouac's literary
executor. He'd love to tell the court that I have
given away Ms. Kerouac's
last
unpublished novel, which could have brought him X amount of dollars.
Once the Santa Fe court rules--and if
they rule that I alone am
responsible
for Jan's literary property--I will have a much freer hand in
getting
her work published, getting her papers into a library, etc.
I.e., A WHOLE LOT is riding right now
with the three-judge appellate
panel
in Santa Fe.
Mr. Sampas has no such legal
entanglements to deal with. He is an
heir as
well as an executor and cannot be tossed out in the cold the way I
potentially
can be. Jan did not make me her heir,
and I did not want her
to. (At one point she talked about paying me for
the 1000's of hours of
work I
had done in her behalf, and I told her that the only way I could
prove
the sincerity of my efforts to help her save her father's papers was
if I
simply helped her as a friend. My
favorite line to her was: "If you
win in
Florida, buy me a dinner."
However, the way Mr. Anstee talks, you'd
think
she had left me half her estate.)
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Patti Smith Concert Posters
Dear
Nancy:
Yes --
re: the concert posters. Send info re:
arrangements when posters are
available.
Thanks,
Dawn
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but
what the hell
Why, Nicosia, didn't you make it clear to
Levi in the
>beginning
why you asked him to remove the excerpt?
It seems obvious to me
>why
Levi was befuddled by you. I can almost
bet that had you conducted
>yourself
with a bit more tact, Levi would be one of your champions....
> I think it comes down to this: Be
consistent, dammit!
>
>Bruce
>bwhartmanjr@iname.com
>
Dear
Bruce Hartman: May 9, 1997
I don't know where you're coming from,
and I will give you the
benefit
of the doubt and suppose that you are just being misled by someone
who has
found it in their interest to slander me.
In this case, I really
don't
know where the lie originated.
The fact is: I wrote to Levi Asher on
July 27, 1996, explaining why
I
couldn't let him print PARROT FEVER for free.
I have a copy of the letter
in my
files. I'll send you the whole thing if
you need to hold it in your
hands
to believe it. Here are some excerpts
of what I wrote to Levi:
"I have talked the matter over
with Jan's heirs, and their feeling
is that
there should be payment for use of this piece.
It is a substantial
piece--I
figured about 6,400 words ... you have to understand, that it's one
thing
to charge a nominal fee for anthologizing work that has been published
a
relatively long time ago, and from which most commercial interest has
already
been exploited; and quite another thing to let you have use of
material
from a last unpublished novel ... I must, of course, insist that
you no
longer run the piece on the Web ... I hope this hasn't struck you as
too
hard a position, but it's part of my legally mandated job as literary
executor
to protect the commercial rights of Jan Kerouac's heirs in her
literary
properties. I'm certainly open to
talking more about this with
you, if
you need to. I'm also enclosing my
piece about Jan, which you can
use on
your Website."
Bear in mind, I said all this BEFORE
MR. LASH (JAN'S HEIR) ACTUALLY
WENT TO
COURT TO GET ME REMOVED AS LITERARY EXECUTOR--an action which has
made my
position ten times more precarious.
It is really exhausting to have to
keep answering false charges. I
don't
see anyone throwing any charges at Mr. Sampas.
He probably suns
himself
on a Caribbean beach and laughs as everybody and his brother takes
potshots
at me. DO YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR???
On top of everything, I don't think
Mr. Asher even used my own piece
on Jan
Kerouac, which I offered him for free.
How come???
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Levi's Question
>....
>Unless
you explain it better to me, this is the conclusion that I am
>forced
to live with. And if that is the case then I must conclude that
>you
are likely yourself to do things that are no more right than what
>you
tell us to expect from your opponents.
>
>I
hope that you will show me where I am wrong here....
(Leon Tabory)
May 9, 1997
Dear
Leon:
The answer to Levi was just given,
finally, in a post entitled "I
Swore
I'd Stay out of this But..."
Sorry about being late. Sore throat, cold, and watching my 2 year
old
every nite this week. Plus a few other
dozen things.
This whole thing troubles me
though. I wrote Levi that detailed
letter
about why he had to take PARROT FEVER off his website last July. Why
should
I have to be explaining this all over again now?
The question is supposed to be, when
is the Kerouac Archive going to
be
preserved and made accessible to scholars; or, if it's not, then what
justification
does Mr. Sampas have for not putting it in a library?
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Kerouac Question
Dear
Bill, May 9, 1997
Well I apologize for delay, but if
you've been following this list,
you
realize I've turned into Audie Murphy as single-handed gunslinger
answering
shots from about 30 different directions.
It seems you've already got your
answer elsewhere. My recollection
is that
Jack WAS ARRESTED AS A MATERIAL WITNESS.
That's what I wrote in
MEMORY
BABE, and at the time, I had access to all the clippings of Lucien's
arrest. (All that stuff is now under seal in the
closed MEMORY BABE
collection
at U, Mass, Lowell, regrettably.)
(Thank Mr. Sampas.)
Remember, I'm not a lawyer. Sometimes I wish I was. It'd save me
at
least $200 an hour.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING
>
>
>I
had not heard the Edie K had died, when did that happen?
>
Dear
Patricia Elliott:
Thanks for your good words.
Edie died in the fall of 1993, of
heart trouble and diabetes. She
had
written to the Lowell Kerouac Committee that summer to ask if she could
be
invited to participate in Kerouac Week in October of that year. They did
not
answer on that subject, but asked if they could use her photo of Jack as
a
seaman as logo on their official T-shirt.
Of course, Edie said yes (she
gave
away everything, never made money off JK.)
So the Lowell Kerouac
Committee
missed their chance to have Edie as a guest.
If anyone doubts this, it will be
confirmed by Tim Moran, Edie's
executor.
(Sorry for being longwinded, but I'm
still pissed about Chaput
asking
why I never donated to their committee.)
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: Kerouac Street
Ron,
Jack
Kerouac Alley, would probably be more like it, right there by
Vesuvio
and City Lights. Don't remember the
movers and shakers for this
event. SF has been renaming little streets for
literary lights, just
named a
part of the Embarcadero for Herb Caen.
As far as I know JK is
the
first Beat to get his own street sign.
J
Stauffer
Ron
Guest wrote:
>
> Hoping someone in the Bay Area will
know this one. Saw Jack Kerouac
>
Street recently in San Francisco. When
was this street named and who was
>
responsible? Was there some kind of
ceremony? With beats? Was Kerouac
>
family there? Or did the city crew
>
just roll up and put up a sign?
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Subject: Re: ORIGINAL vs COPY
At
07:47 PM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Just
an aside, what would happen if copies
of all of Kerouac's papers end up
>in
a Library, and the originals are sold off to the highest buyer (or
>whoever).
>
>Is
it enough to just have the words-- complete, that are accessible to the
>public?
DO the originals have to be available?
>
>This
is a philosophical question.
>
>enjoy,
Attila
>
Dear
Attila, May 9, 1997
I like your questions!!! For one, they not personal attacks, like
why
don't I open my checkbook to the Lowell Kerouac Committee.
I have conferred with a lot of library
directors and archivists
about
this very same question. A few who have
confirmed the following
answer
are: Tom Staley of Univ. of Texas, Humanities Research Center; Tony
Bliss
of Bancroft, Berkeley; and Matthew Bruccoli of Univ. of South Carolina.
The answer is: no librarian worth his
salt will deal with xeroxes
unless
THAT IS ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE. Copies
are invariably imperfect;
someone
leaves something out; someone mixes up the pages. Plus original
manuscripts,
esp. Kerouac's, which were often in pencil, or corrected in
pencil,
have faded over the years, and xeroxes will not pick up every single
faded
pencil mark. A key word might be lost,
that changes our whole
interpretation
of what Kerouac thought about a particular subject. How
often
has someone sent you a xerox of an article you want to read, only to
find
that the last word in each line has been cut off by the copying machine?
THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE IN SCHOLARSHIP
FOR HAVING THE ORIGINAL PAPERS
AVAILABLE
FOR STUDY.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
I have
nothing against him, but the image of a
lp "Rod Mckuen Reads Allen
Ginsberg,"
comes to mind.
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Subject: Re: THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING
Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I had not heard the Edie K had died, when did that happen?
>
>
>
Dear Patricia Elliott:
> Thanks for your good words.
> Edie died in the fall of 1993, of
heart trouble and diabetes. She...
by
chance I spent a lot of time with edie during the week of river city
reunion
. she was a brassy broad, intelligent with her chin up. I
always
felt that their marriage was a result of a real relationship.
She certainly
was generous and i am sorry to hear she is gone. We
weren't
"friends" but i was an unofficial property person for the
reunion,
i have lots of used stuff. She needed
some extra carry on
luggage
when she was leaving, i took samples over to her and we ended up
talking
the evening away. She seemed to me that
she would stand toe to
toe to
someone. She was with a dreadful young
man, some friend. She
certainly
spoke unvarnished.
I
appreciate you noticing that one line.
I
believe william and james were always kind to her.
patricia
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Driving Through Mythical America
Nick,
I jumped when I saw "On The Road with Jack and Neal and a
couple
of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America!" You grew up
in
England, right? I was jerked back to 1971 and a great weird recording
called
"Driving Through Mythical America" - lyrics by Clive James, singing
by Pete
Atkin. The title song was a road song dealing partly with Kent
State....
nothin' Beat about it htough although a cool song.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins
Gerry:
Thank
you kindly. As they say out in Kansas. Yes it was Coldspring. I
enjoyed
reading the book and could see how many scholars are missing a great
opportunity.
I thought it was the best example of asbstract
expressionism-Motherwell/De
Kooning that I's seen. I don't know why
literature
isn't presented with art as music as it used to be in some canons.
That
would be fun. I l earned a great deal about the regionalism that many
Easterners
take for granted as well as the fact that there is a more active
literati
compared to the midwest and west. As a westerner, I had more
literary
affinity with Neal and Burroughs, but I just now appreciated K's New
Englandness.
When you do read my book (new edition just out..ahem..) you'll
may
sense the regional differences. I was
particularly impressed by K's
discription
of the March weather in New England. I like the city, but I never
quite
feel at home in these old mountains and woods. I've lived here almost
30
years and still think Cooperstown is north of Cherry Valley but it is
south.
In Kansas I could just look towards New England, California, Mexico or
Canada
to know what direction I'm going. Speaking of which I'm driving to
Montana
next week then back to North Carolina.
Pam will be reading the
beat-list. I wish you well in the estate situation.
Charles
Plymell
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
In a
message dated 97-05-09 21:32:49 EDT, you write:
<<
What's everyone got against Garrison Keillor?? >>
Obviously
nothing if you're from Lake Wobegon.
C.
Plymell
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Subject: Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins
In a
message dated 97-05-09 20:30:29 EDT, you write:
<<
I'll try to find it in our used-book shops.
Thanks for your insights.
Best, Gerry Nicosia >>
Gerry:
Last of
Moccasins has been reprinted. We have it in stock for $12.00 new
paper
or $20 signed HC...
JW
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Subject: Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but
what the hell
In a
message dated 97-05-09 23:37:24 EDT, you write:
<<
DO YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR??? >>
That's
a reasonable question when one is dumped on in the literary world. We
tend to
hold ideals that in our authors that become very mercurial. I've seen
a lot
happen in the literary world. It's not just the beat generation. I've
seen so
many unexplainable things happen and have built them up in my mind
either
correctly or incorrectly that sometimes I have to make a conscious
effort
to forget them and I love to hold grudges.
One
person who has been dumped on especially by the academe and main stream
press
is Robert Peters. I'll post this entry
that involves principles of the
beat-list
of his new book Hunting the Snark of which Robert Bly said: "I
don't
think people should be so incensed at Robert Peters. It's a critic's
job to
be nasty--he's not a mother or an uncle."
In it
are his classifications: The Billy the Kid Poem; the Dazzle Poem; the
Disney
Poem; the Iowa Workshop Poem; the Trapped Wife Poem; Academic Sleaze,
Genteel
Buccolism. Such are the some of the hundred plus classifications
Peters'
uses in Hunting the Snark...always lucid and charming approach to
modern
American poetry. Peters sets forth
precise and cogent commentary on
such
luminaries as Pound, cummings, Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, Olsen, Bukowski
to name
a few, but lesser known poets such as Alfred Starr Hamilton and
Charles
Plymell are abundantly represented here, many given critical
attention
for the first time. Available from Avisson Press, Inc. 3007
Taliaferro
Rd. Greensboro, NC 27408 $20.
Charles
Plymell
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Subject: Re: Jack's Intentions
....
>Gerry
says the warrant isn't important, a copy will do fine. How is
>this
different than asserting that the original texts aren't important,
>scholars
can do just as well with copies? I
guess I'm missing something
>here. We also hear that it is wrong to keep
letters from being
>published,
presumably so as not to affect living people....
>
>J
Stauffer
>
James,
when art experts study the work of Toulouse-Lautrec, they look at
canvases,
sketchbooks, unfinished paintings. The
originals can sometimes
reveal
one drawing or painting layered on top of another. (See my post to
Attila
about the importance of original manuscripts, as opposed to xeroxes.)
They
don't need to see his medical test result showing he had syphilis. On
the
other hand, a biographer would like to see that test result, but a xerox
will do
just as well for him.
You'll notice I haven't yelled about
Mr. Sampas selling off
Kerouac's
shoes and overcoat; but I have complained about him selling off
Kerouac's
library, with personal annotations written in the margins of the
books.
The Sampases bought that warrant from
the dealer Jan brought it to,
who
must've called them up immediately about it, and they have been gloating
over it
ever since. But does anyone ever bring
up the background? The fact
that
NYU, in their Beat conference headed by Sampas's own Ann Charters, put
the
financial screws on Jan and me, making it almost impossible for us to come?
My father, who was a street fighter in
the old Italian neighborhood,
Taylor
Street, in Chicago, taught me one of the first rules of the street:
"When
three guys gang up on one guy, the one guy can pick up a brick ...."
Now Jan and I were definitely ganged
up on, and that warrant was her
brick.
Every participant in the 1994 NYU Beat
conference got their airfare
paid,
plus a nice room at the University Suites--every participant except
Jan and
me. We told them we were bringing Paul
Blake III (Paul Jr's son),
and
nothing was offered for him either. Ann
Charters told us all the rooms
were
filled up at the University Suites.
However, Doug Brinkley (of MAGIC
BUS
fame), who was himself given a room at the University Suites, told us
there
were EIGHT EMPTY ROOMS there. Even
Corso's two young sons were given
rooms
and airfare--but not Jan, me, or Paul Blake III.
For Jan, this was a real hardship, as
she had to do dialysis every
six
hours. If she had been staying at the
university suites, she could have
easily
gotten back to her room between sessions.
As it was, she had to cab
back
and forth to her room at the Gramercy Park Hotel, and missed a couple
of
dialyses during the course of the conference, leaving her very weak.
I paid my own way, but Jan paid for
Paul Blake III. If NYU had
accorded
Jan and Paul the same courtesy as all the other participants, she
wouldn't
have had to sell that warrant.
Capisc'?
As for the letters, my problem is not
with any particular person who
may
have asked not to be mentioned by name.
My problem is that one man,
John
Sampas, is continually the boss, saying what can be published of Jack
Kerouac's,
what needs to be removed from Jack's writings, what biographers
and
critics can write about him, etc. If
they don't write what he likes,
they
get hassled by his attorneys and/or agents, as my publisher has been,
as
Steven Turner has been, as many others have been. One man, even the most
brilliant
on earth, should not be in charge of interpreting Jack Kerouac to
all the
rest of us.
That's why I left the Catholic Church,
James. God bless the Pope,
I'm
sure he's a good man, but I don't want him telling me what to do in
every
aspect of my life.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Beat-L T-Shirt Update
Dear
fellow Beat-L members:
I
interrupt this Estate stuff to bring you all the latest skinny regarding
the
all-important Beat-L T-Shirt...
After a
few tries, S. Clay Wilson has come up with artwork that meets the
approval
of the all mighty Beat Generation List T-Shirt Approval Committee -
that
is, me!! But, of course, I must also run the artwork by Web Meister
William
Gargan first for his final ok. Brooklyn College has the last word...
I am
very happy with Wilson's contribution to Beatdom and I'm sure you all
will
also enjoy the art chosen for the shirt. S. Clay's rough presentation
sketch
is now being
finalized
into camera-ready artwork. When the final art is completed, I get
the ok
to proceed and the cost to purchase the shirt is determined, I'll
notify
you with those details. The T-shirt artwork will be available for
viewing
on the web soon - address to follow as soon as possible.
Now
back to the action -
Jeffrey
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