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From: Gerald Nicosia
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....
> Although these manuscripts were
purchased primarily from one rare
>book
and manuscript dealer, it has always been clear to the library that
>these
manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac as
>represented
by John Sampas. Furthermore,it has been similarly clear that Mr.
>Sampas
would "like" all the Kerouac papers to come to The New York Public
>Library.
> The New York Public Library has signed
a legal deposit agreement
>with
Mr. Sampas to temporarily store the manuscript scroll of On the Road....
>
> Sincerely,
>
Rodney Phillips
>
Associate Director,
>
Humanities & Social Sciences
>
>
....
Lowell Celebrates Kerouac ended their relationship
>with
the National Park Service because in return for their support they
>wanted
to dictate our program (like most government agencies). We chose to
>retain
our independence. WE MADE THAT DECISION GERRY NOT THEM. We continue
>to
have an amicable, but unofficial relationship with them.
>
Phil, May 9,
1997
I'm really tired of you pouring out
nothing but lies and Sampas
propaganda. Go back to Mr. Sampas and tell him I'm thru
wasting my time
with
this stuff he gives you to post here..
I'm answering all the "real"
questions--the honest, sincere ones
that
I've been getting from Attila and many other people..
Sampas put Rodney Phillips up to that
letter in the LOWELL SUN.
Phillips
did Sampas a favor because he was hoping, at that time, that Sampas
really
did intend to put all of Kerouac's papers in the New York Public
Library. Time has shown that Mr. Sampas had no such
intention at all.
Notice how carefully Phillips words
his letter:
"these manuscripts have as their
provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac."
Provenance means origin.
Of course, if it's a Jack Kerouac
manuscript, it originated in Jack
Kerouac's
estate. SATORI IN PARIS actually came
by way of Fred Jordan at
Grove
Press. And, according to Weinberg, BOOK
OF DREAMS and MEXICO CITY
BLUES
were sold to a private individual, not a dealer. So stuff was later
resold
to the New York Public Library--what does this prove? What does it
prove
even if a few pieces actually were sold directly by Sampas? We know
that
Kerouac retyped all of his novels many times, including ON THE ROAD.
If a
library gets only one draft from Mr. Sampas, they haven't got enough
for
scholars to study.
The whole archive needs to be put on
deposit, thousands and
thousands
of pieces of paper: manuscripts, retyped drafts, notebooks,
correspondence,
etc. etc.. Mr. Sampas has been offering a piece here, a
piece
there, and waiting for Jan's lawsuit to be dismissed.
Notice Phillips says they had an
agreement with Sampas "to
temporarily
store the manuscript scroll of ON THE ROAD." Really generous of
Mr.
Sampas. What that meant was that HE
didn't have to pay storage for it
for a
while.
Now about the National Park ending its
relationship with Lowell
Celebrates
Kerouac!, I have copies of several of the complaints that were
filed
with the National Park Service concerning this organization. Would
you
like me to quote from one?
This is Brad Parker, President of the
Lowell Corporation for the
Humanities,
writing to Roger Kennedy of the National Park Service in
Washington,
D.C., September 19, 1995:
"There has not, for years now,
been any warm feeling between myself
and the
local Kerouac group ... because one of that group tried to verbally
intimidate
me in 1988 by telling me that if I did not co-operate with him
and his
committee, I would become 'a voice crying in the wilderness,' that
people
would play 'hardball' with me, and that the hall I had rented for my
public
Kerouac event would be 'taken away' from my organization! More
recently,
1993, another member of that group verbally assaulted me in public
at one
of the Kerouac events they were sponsoring.
And his assault was
aimed
at me ... because the biographer I had brought to town had approached
the
stage to request that his speech of the following night be announced...."
There's a lot more. Care for me to keep going?
Or should we get Brad Parker on here himself?
As for Martha Mayo, yes, I talked to
her, and she told me Mr. Sampas
and
"one other person" had objected to the public having access to my
MEMORY
BABE
collection at U Mass, Lowell. However,
Martha never seems able to come
up with
the name of that other person.
And finally we learn that Mr. Sampas
can't tell us when he's going
to put
the Kerouac archive into a library because I'm a "slanderer." The
reason
he never sues me for slander, however, is because what I'm saying is
the
truth.
Besides, Phil, ain't that a non
sequitur?
I'm going to bed.
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From: Jeanne Vaccaro
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Subject: Re: Ginsberg Memorial
Hi... i'm new. But I needed to respond to this:
<<For
anyone who's interested, there will be a memorial service and concert
in Ann
Arbor on May 24th in honor of Allen Ginsberg.
Patti Smith and
Natalie
merchant are playing and i think Anne Waldman is
speaking...There's
also some sort of poetry
contest. As usual, tickets are available through
Ticketmaster (does this
seem
weird to anyone else??)>>
I just
spent hours, wasted, trying to get bracelets, standing in lines,
making
calls for ticketmaster to see bob dylan (ani difranco is opening) and
i hate
ticketmaster, they are evil. tehy have this horrible hold on the
industry
and, oh where are the communists where you need them? i
hatecapitalism...
Anyway...this
whole list is gr8. you are all 100x more knowlegdable about
this
beat stuff than me, but i like hearing your conversations. it's like
evesdropping
...
~jeanne
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Subject: Re: Ginsberg Memorial
Jeanne
Vaccaro wrote:
>
> Hi... i'm new. But I needed to respond to this:
>
>
<<For anyone who's interested, there will be a memorial service and
concert
> in
Ann Arbor on May 24th in honor of Allen Ginsberg. Patti Smith and
>
Natalie merchant are playing and i think Anne Waldman is
>
speaking...There's also some sort of poetry
>
contest. As usual, tickets are
available through Ticketmaster (does this
>
seem weird to anyone else??)>>
>
> I
just spent hours, wasted, trying to get bracelets, standing in lines,
>
making calls for ticketmaster to see bob dylan (ani difranco is opening) and
> i
hate ticketmaster, they are evil. tehy have this horrible hold on the
>
industry and, oh where are the communists where you need them? i
>
hatecapitalism...
>
>
Anyway...this whole list is gr8. you are all 100x more knowlegdable about
>
this beat stuff than me, but i like hearing your conversations. it's like
>
evesdropping ...
>
>
~jeanne
hey
jeanne, nice to meet you. it is a quiet
day on the Beat-L and so
not a
great day for eavesdropping.
david
rhaesa
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Subject: Re: Beat-L T-Shirt Update
Jeffrey
Weinberg wrote:
>
>
Dear fellow Beat-L members:
>
> I
interrupt this Estate stuff to bring you all the latest skinny regarding
>
the all-important Beat-L T-Shirt...
mr j
>
greeeeaaaaat sanka very much
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>
>
What's everyone got against Garrison Keillor??
>
please
help my ignorance...the name sounds familiar, but who is he?
Diane.
"But
I don't want to go among mad people," Alice said.
"You can't help that here. I'm mad, you're mad--"
"How
do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice.
"Of course you're mad, or you
wouldn't have come here. . . "
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Apology
May
10, 1997
Now it is my turn to apologize for
getting hot under the collar with
Mr.
Chaput last night. But I had some
cause, besides being tired (and
unwell)
after a long day of answering one personal attack after the next.
It is
an insult to my integrity for him to presume that I have put 1000's of
hours
of my time into two FICTITIOUS causes: the effort to preserve and make
available
to scholars the Jack Kerouac archive; and the effort to restore
access
to my own MEMORY BABE archive at U Mass, Lowell. Furthermore, the
hurts
that were done to Jan and me were not imaginary. It was no accident
that
Jan Kerouac and I were removed by police from the Jack Kerouac
Conference
at NYU, and it was not because of absentmindedness that the
Lowell
Kerouac Committee failed to invite either Jan or me to Lowell for 8
years
running--a policy of exclusion that began long before anything like a
lawsuit
existed against the Sampases.
Gerry
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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
At
10:36 PM 5/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
....
>> Although these manuscripts were
purchased primarily from one rare
>>book
and manuscript dealer, it has always been clear to the library that
>>these
manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac as
>>represented
by John Sampas. Furthermore,it has been similarly clear that Mr.
>>Sampas
would "like" all the Kerouac papers to come to The New York Public
>>Library.
>> The New York Public Library has signed
a legal deposit agreement
>>with
Mr. Sampas to temporarily store the manuscript scroll of On the Road....
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
Rodney Phillips
>>
Associate Director,
>>
Humanities & Social Sciences
>>
>>
>....
Lowell Celebrates Kerouac ended their relationship
>>with
the National Park Service because in return for their support they
>>wanted
to dictate our program (like most government agencies). We chose to
>>retain
our independence. WE MADE THAT DECISION GERRY NOT THEM. We continue
>>to
have an amicable, but unofficial relationship with them.
I WILL
PUT MY RESPONSE IN CAPS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
AS A
MATTER OF FACT GERRY I JUST GOT BACK FROM THE CLEANUP AT THE KEROUAC
PARK AND
WE WERE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE PARK SERVICE.THERE WERE OVER
50
PEOPLE HELPING OUT.
GERRY
YOU SAID THEY CUT OUR FUNDING. LIKE I SAID THAT IS UNTRUE WE MADE THAT
DECISION
NOT THEM.
>>
>
>Phil, May 9,
1997
> I'm really tired of you pouring out
nothing but lies and Sampas
>propaganda. Go back to Mr. Sampas and tell him I'm thru
wasting my time
>with
this stuff he gives you to post here..
GERRY, THE POST READ THAT IT WAS IN THE LOWELL SUN
NEWSPAPER SO WHY WOULD I
NEED TO
GET IT FROM JOHN SAMPAS.
>Phillips
did Sampas a favor because he was hoping, at that time, that Sampas
>really
did intend to put all of Kerouac's papers in the New York Public
>Library.
NOW
PHILLIPS IS IN A CONSPIRACY TOO GERRY I SEE WHAT ROD MEANT ABOUT YOU
BEING
PARANOID. SO LETS ADD PHILLIPS TO YOUR CONSPIRATOR LIST, GINSBERG,ANN
CHARTERS,
JOHN LASH, HUNTER THOMPSON,FERLINGHETTI,MARTHA MAYO, THE LOWELL
SUN ALL
OF THE LOWELL CELEBRATES KEROUAC COMMITTEE,AND ON AND ON............
GERRY
IF ENOUGH PEOPLE TELL YOU YOUR DEAD. LAY DOWN.
Time has shown that Mr. Sampas had no such
intention at all.
> Notice how carefully Phillips words
his letter:
> "these manuscripts have as their
provenance the estate of Jack
Kerouac."
> Provenance means origin.
I THINK
WE KNOW WHAT PROVENANCE MEANS.
> Of course, if it's a Jack Kerouac
manuscript, it originated in Jack
>Kerouac's
estate. SATORI IN PARIS actually came
by way of Fred Jordan at
>Grove
Press. And, according to Weinberg, BOOK
OF DREAMS and MEXICO CITY
>BLUES
were sold to a private individual, not a dealer.
SO LET
ME GET THIS STRAIGHT A DEALER BUYS A MANUSCRIPT FROM JOHN SAMPAS AND
THEN
TURNS AROUND AND SELLS IT TO NYPL FOR MORE MONEY. SO WHY WOULDN'T
SAMPAS
SELL IT TO THE NYPL HIMSELF AND NOT LOSE THAT EXTRA MONEY? OR IS THE
DEALER
LOSING MONEY AND JUST DOING IT OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF HIS HEART?
So stuff was later
>resold
to the New York Public Library--what does this prove? What does it
>prove
even if a few pieces actually were sold directly by Sampas?
NOW
MAYBE HE DID SELL SOMETHING IS THAT A CONTRADICTION GERRY?
We know
>that
Kerouac retyped all of his novels many times, including ON THE ROAD.
>If
a library gets only one draft from Mr. Sampas, they haven't got enough
>for
scholars to study.
GERRY
YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE XEROX COPIES IS PRETTY PATHETIC. I THINK IF A
UNIVERSITY
WERE TO COPY A MANUSCRIPT OR LETTER IT WOULDN'T MISS PAGES OR
WORDS
COME ON GERRY ARE YOU FOR REAL?
> The whole archive needs to be put on
deposit, thousands and
>thousands
of pieces of paper: manuscripts, retyped drafts, notebooks,
>correspondence,
etc. etc.. Mr. Sampas has been offering a piece here, a
>piece
there, and waiting for Jan's lawsuit to be dismissed.
I
THOUGHT YOU SAID HE HASN'T SOLD ANYTHING TO NYPL. NOW HE IS OFFERING A
PIECE
HERE AND A PIECE THERE.
> Notice Phillips says they had an
agreement with Sampas "to
>temporarily
store the manuscript scroll of ON THE ROAD." Really generous of
>Mr.
Sampas. What that meant was that HE
didn't have to pay storage for it
>for
a while.
SOUNDS
LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME.
> Now about the National Park ending its
relationship with Lowell
>Celebrates
Kerouac!, I have copies of several of the complaints that were
>filed
with the National Park Service concerning this organization. Would
>you
like me to quote from one?
> This is Brad Parker, President of the
Lowell Corporation for the
>Humanities,
writing to Roger Kennedy of the National Park Service in
>Washington,
D.C., September 19, 1995:
I DON'T
KNOW BRAD AND I HAVE NEVER MET HIM. HE HAS WRITTEN SOME GOOD KEROUAC
STUFF
THOUGH. I HAVE HEARD THAT HE IS YOUR MOUTHPIECE IN LOWELL SO IT
DOESN'T
SURPRISE ME ABOUT THIS LETTER.
> "There has not, for years now,
been any warm feeling between myself
>and
the local Kerouac group ... because one of that group tried to verbally
>intimidate
me in 1988 by telling me that if I did not co-operate with him
>and
his committee, I would become 'a voice crying in the wilderness,' that
>people
would play 'hardball' with me, and that the hall I had rented for my
>public
Kerouac event would be 'taken away' from my organization! More
>recently,
1993, another member of that group verbally assaulted me in public
>at
one of the Kerouac events they were sponsoring. And his assault was
>aimed
at me ... because the biographer I had brought to town had approached
>the
stage to request that his speech of the following night be announced...."
OH MY
GERRY THAT SOUNDS SO CRIMINAL!
> There's a lot more. Care for me to keep going?
NO I
CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE I'M GOING TO PUKE.
> Or should we get Brad Parker on here
himself?
> As for Martha Mayo, yes, I talked to
her, and she told me Mr. Sampas
>and
"one other person" had objected to the public having access to my
MEMORY
>BABE
collection at U Mass, Lowell.
GERRY
IT'S NOT YOUR MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE YOU SOLD IT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER
REMEMBER(THE
ONLY BIDDER THAT IS)
However, Martha never seems able to come
>up
with the name of that other person.
> And finally we learn that Mr. Sampas
can't tell us when he's going
>to
put the Kerouac archive into a library because I'm a
"slanderer." The
>reason
he never sues me for slander, however, is because what I'm saying is
>the
truth.
BE
PATIENT GERRY HE WILL GET AROUND TO IT.
> Besides, Phil, ain't that a non
sequitur? IT WOULD BE A NON
SEQUITUR
IF GABRIEL HADN'T LEFT STELLA HER ESTATE. GERRY IF SOMEONE TOOK
CARE OF
FOR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS WHEN YOU WERE INCAPABLE OF IT WOULD YOU
DISINHERIT
THEM?
WHY DID
JAN KEROUAC DISINHERIT PAUL BLAKE AND LEAVE NOTHING TO HIM?
> I'm going to bed.
GERRY
DO THAT. YOU NEED THE REST SO YOU CAN UP AND DO SOME MORE "LOWELL
CELEBRATES
KEROUAC" BASHING.
>
>GERRY
I HAVE ABOUT HAD IT WITH YOU. YOU REALLY HAVE GONE OFF THE DEEP END
WITH
THIS. IT'S AMUSING HOW YOU CAN TURN A QUESTION LIKE . "WHEN DID EDIE
PARKER
DIE?" and "WAS JACK ARRESTED AS A MATERIAL WITNESS" INTO YOUR
CONSTANT
HARPING ABOUT THE ESTATE MATTERS AND DUMPING ON L.C.K. ITS LIKE I
SAID
IT'S YOUR ONLY AGENDA THESE DAYS SO I CAN SEE WHY L.C.K. WOULDN'T WANT
YOU TO
SPEAK LIKE I SAID IT'S NOT "LOWELL CELEBRATES LAWSUITS" IT'S
"LOWELL
CELEBRATES
KEROUAC".
I CAN
SEE IF I ASK YOU TO STOP BASHING A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS LIKE L.C.K.YOU
ARE
JUST GOING TO DO IT TEN TIMES HARDER.
DON'T BOTHER ME ANY MORE WITH YOUR PATHETIC
RAMBLINGS. I SAID I DIDN'T WANT
TO GET IN
A PISSING CONTEST WITH YOU BUT I GUESS I DID ANYWAY. IT LOOKS LIKE
YOU CAN
PISS LONGER AND FARTHER THAN I SO HAVE A GOOD LIFE AND KEEP PISSING
JUST
DON'T TURN INTO THE WIND. YOURS TRULY, PHIL CHAPUT
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dumb!
i am
dumb!
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WHEN THE NEST IS EMPTY rants
Oh where are the beats where you need
them?
Welcome to the club
where
everybody cares
WHO u
are
>oh
where are the communists where you need them?
i
>hatecapitalism...
>
>
>~jeanne
>
CHILDREN RETURN TO No 10
For the first time in nearly
50 years
children were preparing to
move into 10 Downing Street
The children attended a lunch
at
Downing Street to celebrate their victory.
Peeper's pence
said he
would punish himself by
halving his salary for six
month's for peeping into a
women's bath.
ANTIGANG PLEA
TO CHILDREN
FROM DEATH ROW
I never felt
remorse.
That was the
madness of it.
Roland
Topor, french writer, died of a stroke in Paris
aged
59. he was born on january 7, 1938.
considered a
mediocre stu-
dent
Topor's books were of all kinds, they
ranged
from Alice in the Letterland, a
children
book
dedicated to Lewis Carroll, through a
joke
book
with
one
word
per
page
his own
death
after several days in a coma
following a brain haemorrhage
only half confirms one
of
the aphorism
in
his recent book
"All's true that ends badly,
& quickly."
i
haven't lost
anyone
yet
LITTLE VENICE
2 BED WHITE
STUCCO WHITE
PICTORESQUE
CANAL
plants
which
grew in
the churchyard
were
thuoght to be
especially
powerfull
Rinaldo
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
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When
Keillor and Co. organized a centennial birthday party for F. Scott
Fitzgerald
a few months back, they cleaned up Fitzgerald's language to make
it
politically correct, that is, sensitive, for a marathon reading in St.
Paul of
The Great Gatsby, to some sneering behind the scenes about
censorship
and a little bit of cautious protest publically. But it was
high
toned farce at last, a party whose function was to serve Keillor's
literary
sense of himself, not Fitzgerald. I
would say, keep Keillor away
(you
can't, really--he has sponsors) from the Beats; he thinks he's cool,
hip,
yup, Beat, plus ordinary folks thrown in for good measure, but Lake
Woebegone
is his imaginary capitol of a literary monarchy, for which he is
Lord of
the Flies, which he controls absolutely, and which you enter at the
peril
of your own voice. (He brooks no
competition.) He's got voice, but
it
ain't Beat--its post-Colonial egalitarianism with a Lutheran provincial
twist,
as if his favorite drug were vaseline.
He's Howl with scented
Kleenex
and Lysol, for the humor, of course, Keillor being far superior to
his own
jokes on the rest of us, yet still our local radio friend. I'm
sure he
will do his best to bestow his literary largesse and bop husbandry
upon
the Beats. // John M.
>granted
i don'
>t
like the idea either of rewriting his prose, but my suggestion of what
>to
be done is -- if you dont like it ignore it! i mean, organize a
>PROTEST?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
>
>Eric
>
>On
Fri, 9 May 1997, Bill Philibin wrote:
>
>>
> featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR
>>
> chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)
>>
>> What ?!?!? Please say that this is a typo.... What kind of
>
"changes"
>>
are going to be done? Who is the
"Author" of these so called Changes...
>>
Is dean going to be looking to score some crack? IMHO OTR is already a
>>
timeless piece of literary excellence...
>>
>> Is there any one we can write to to
inquire about such things? And
>
maybe
>>
protest against the Changing of JKs words?
>>
>> You just ruined my year...
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>
[ email: deadbeat@buffnet.net |
web: http://www.buffnet.net/~deadbeat
]
>>
|"A good question is never answered.
It is not a bolt to be tightened
>>
| into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the
>>
| hope of greening the landscape of idea."
>>
|
>>
| -- John
Ciardi
>>
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Subject: Re: Cast of Characters
In a
message dated 97-05-08 04:49:29 EDT, you write:
<<
In my ignorance I guess I was under the mistaken impression that John
Sampas
was one of Stella's brothers, a guy pehaps in
his 60-70's. >>
John
Sampas is Stella's brother. Jim Sampas (a guy in his 30s or so) is a
nephew,
I'm not sure what brother's son.
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In a
message dated 97-05-10 18:24:42 EDT, you write:
<<
Jim Sampas (a guy in his 30s or so) is a
nephew, I'm not sure what brother's son.
>>
The
dead one....
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: New JK books for Fall
.....
the PW article says the following. (Disclaimer - *I* am
>not
saying this, don't flame me)
>
>"After
Kerouac's death, rights to his works were owned by his widow, Stella,
>wh
refused to release any unpublished work. After Stella dies in 1989, John
>Sampa,
executor of Kerouac's estate, and Lord {the agent Sterling Lord, JK's
>original
agent, I think? NWW} sold to Viking all of Kerouac's unpublished
>materials."
>
>
>This
suggests to me that, as I suggested last week, the publication of
>unreleased
material is being controlled not by the estate as such, but as
>business
decisions by the publisher. But i didn't know that 'all' the
>unpublished
material had been sold - so presumably the estate has a mighty
>big
advance for that already tucked away. It's hard to believe that Sterling
>Lord
could really have allowed seven JK books to go into public domain (I'm
>not
being antagonisitic, Gerry or disbelieving, it's just such a basic mistake)
>
Dear
Nick, May 10, 1997
All I had heard was that Sampas made a
6 book deal for unpublished
Kerouac
with Viking Penguin in 1993, just weeks before MEMORY BABE got
(coincidentally?)
kicked out of Viking Penguin. This
included the two
volumes
of letters, SOME OF THE DHARMA, BOOK OF BLUES, WAKE UP, and one
other. I don't see how Sampas could sell them
"all the unpublished Kerouac"
since
there are literally hundreds of notebooks filled with writing that was
never
published (many of them breast pocket notebooks), and future books
will
have to be carved out of them by an astute editor. Can he sell books
that
have not yet even been assembled???
OKAY, here's the report from Thomson
& Thomson, considered the
foremost
copyright research authority in the business.
This particular
report
was prepared for Jan's copyright lawyer Herbert Jacoby by Timothy J.
Herbert.
It lists the following books as
without copyright renewal. All of
Kerouac's
books fell under the old system, which meant the copyright had to
be
renewed after 28 years from date of publication, with a one year grace
period. Since all of the books below are past that
one year grace period,
they
are, to the best of my knowledge, in public domain:
THE AMERICANS (only the text by
Kerouac, not the photographs, of course)
BIG SUR
BOOK OF DREAMS (only the text
published by City Lights in 1961; note
the
original manuscript was much larger than what was published by City
Lights,
and so much of the original text is still unpublished and belongs to
John
Sampas.)
EXCERPTS FROM VISIONS OF CODY (the New
Directions special edition,
published
in 1960) (about 1/3 of the final text, I believe)
MAGGIE CASSIDY
PULL MY DAISY (only Jack's ad-libbed
text by Grove Press, published
in
1961; the song was renewed by Amram et al. in 1988.)
SCRIPTURE OF THE GOLDEN ETERNITY
TRISTESSA
OLD ANGEL MIDNIGHT (the two excerpts
published in BIG TABLE in 1959
and in
EVERGREEN REVIEW in 1964.)
Well, you don't believe Sterling Lord
is responsible? Jan signed an
agreement
with the Sampases in 1986 (so that they would finally pay her the
royalty
income she was due). That agreement
confirmed that Stella and Jan
should
split ownership of the copyright renewals, and it made Stella's
agent,
Sterling Lord, Jan's agent too--for the rest of her life! It also
said
that Lord would be "both parties' representative of said renewals."
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know who
was responsible. Mr. Lord?
Mr.
Sampas? Mr. Sampas's lawyer? There may be a malpractice suit here
worth
millions to someone, but it requires investigation.
For the time being, I'm out of the
loop, since Mr. Lash has got me
tied up
in a challenge to my executorship in the appellate court of Santa
Fe, New
Mexico.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: A Question for G. Nicosia/not Estate
related!!
At
02:06 PM 5/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello
Gerry,
>
>Someone
recently passed on to me an extra copy of the Grove
>Press
Publication of _Memory Babe_ (mine is
>is
disarray) and as I was perusing this copy I noticed
>that
pgs 97-128 were missing. There has been
no
>tampering
with this copy (pages ripped out, etc.), as far
>as
I can tell because there would be obvious signs
>(the
gap in the binding). Was there problems
w/
>the
orginal publishing, or did I stumble upon a
>misprint? Just curious.
>
>Thanx,
>Mike
>
Dear
Mike, May 10, 1997
I never heard of such an error. Maybe some collector would want it
(like
an error in a postage stamp?) You might
ask Jeffrey Weinberg if book
misprints
are as valuable as those in stamps and coins.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
Fall
At
11:27 PM 5/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
a message dated 97-05-09 21:32:49 EDT, you write:
>
><<
What's everyone got against Garrison Keillor?? >>
>Obviously
nothing if you're from Lake Wobegon.
>C.
Plymell
>
he
ain't jack. . .
xxxooo
s.a.
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At
06:53 PM 5/10/97 +0200, you wrote:
>i
am dumb!
>
>
congratulations! you win!
xxxooos.a.
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
In a
message dated 97-05-10 13:54:36 EDT, you write:
<<
NOW PHILLIPS IS IN A CONSPIRACY TOO GERRY I SEE WHAT ROD MEANT ABOUT YOU
BEING PARANOID. SO LETS ADD PHILLIPS TO YOUR
CONSPIRATOR LIST, GINSBERG,ANN
CHARTERS, JOHN LASH, HUNTER
THOMPSON,FERLINGHETTI,MARTHA MAYO, THE LOWELL
SUN ALL OF THE LOWELL CELEBRATES KEROUAC
COMMITTEE,AND ON AND ON............
>>
Were
all these people conspirators? I knew it all along! How many were
paranoids?
And does paranoia prevent candor? I've seen all the double dealing
bullshit
I need. Back to the Johnsons and the Shits. And let history mark you
who are
fucking up.
Charles
Plymell
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Subject: test
test
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In-Reply-To: <m0wQFOt-000rF2C@gpnet.it>
On Sat,
10 May 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
> i
am dumb!
i am
birdbrain!
Was
downtown (Cleveland) today for first meeting of Linux user's group, got
out at
noon and wife & I drove past rockhall to see Kesey etc. Nothing
really
going on (it'd rained all morning and was dark & gloomy) but some
band
was playing in front of the building to about 150 people, mostly
neohippies
and family yuppie types. No sign of new magic bus, Pranksters or
Kesey.
Went home.
Drove
back into town later in afternoon to stop by local music rag office
and
pick up this month's review CDs; drove again past rockhall -- this time
it
wasn't raining and no Kesey or Pranksters or bus, didn't get that close
this
time but still had camera and thought about taking a picture of one of
the
many day-glo yellow CLINTON SUCKS stickers plastered on telephone poles
down
East 9th Street, main drag of town, last November election time which
nobody
since has bothered to remove ... but was sick with headache too bad to
get out
of the car, barely made it home, got a slow-leaking flat on one of
my
tires and plan on drinking red wine tonight. Hope someone else has a
better
Kesey story, 'cause I feel rotten today.
m
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Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
Gerry:
DORKS
IN THE LIT BUSINESS. It was bad enough with back stabbing poets.
Charles
Plymell
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Subject: Re: your mail
i
cannot belive you all actually KNOW all these artists...
oh man
<sigh>
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins
In a
message dated 97-05-09 20:30:29 EDT, you write:
<<
As someone who's done a fair amount of Kerouac lit. criticism I'm
astonished by your grasp of DR SAX. What you say is not only solid
criticism but it's also fun to read. >>
Gerry:
So Pam
said to me awhile ago when that Lost Generation thread came up -- that
movement's
writers had similar styles. In the Beat writers there are similar
"trace
elements" and varied styles, but my pleasure in reading Dr. Sax and
casting
the whole critique in a poor metaphorically fight ring did produce
another
insight: That is Kerouac was steeped in the university canons of the
50s,
many of which were venturing into the expatriates, Joyce etal. It seems
Kerouac
was swinging quite heavily, really fighting towards (for?) Epiphany,
which
was a deeply engrained battle of the mind in the history of literature.
Kerouac's
contemporaries may have dumped this so to speak, especially
Burroughs
whose canvas was more like Pollocks until he went ballistics... as
future
literacies seem look at the broad canvas conceptually or
minimallisctically,
looping back upon the quantum, or whatever else has
mainframed
Postmodernism to a mode of rhetoric
rather than a movement.
I was
also reminded while reading the book of just how Allen mimicked
Kerouac's
"voice". I assume it was that way rather than the other way around.
Even in
all the little innuendos and inventions.
Is it true
what was in the Kesey post about Allen's last words?
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Subject: Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for
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In a
message dated 97-05-10 02:55:43 EDT, you write:
<<
I have nothing against him, but the image of
a lp "Rod Mckuen Reads Allen
Ginsberg," comes to mind. >>
Allen
once said he would read with Rod McKuen and me. Rod McKuen read one of
my
poems on the BBC. I thought he did a good job. No matter what you say Rod
McKuen
is a poet and Garrison Keiler is not, if that's your line. He's a kind
lyric
poet with lines no more pathetic than Bobby Dylan. He admits when he
does
horseshit which few poets of fame will do, because they can sucker in
all the
little pricks that don't know the difference. Nothing against you by
the
way. You might read McKuen's Art of Catching Trains and you might take
Robert
Peters quiz in that is in Where the Bees Suck and Hunting the Snark.
If you don't know who Robert Peters is, then
I'm pretty much wasting my
time.
Charles
Plymell
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins
PS:
Michael Buchenroth has done a fantastic job building a site for me. He
has
posted my Gale Research Contemporary Authors Autobiography, if you are
interested.
It was also published in Beat Scene in serial form and in Atom
Mind.
This will provide you with my background and my stint with the Beats.
Thanks.
I can sympathize with the non-exclusive treatment that fame and its
baggage
gobbles up, sometimes leaving one with one hand on the baggage and
one
hand paying the ticketmaster. Maybe those gen-xs have something going
after
all.
C.
Plymell
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Subject: Re: A Question for G. Nicosia/not Estate
related!!
In a
message dated 97-05-10 19:47:58 EDT, you write:
<<
You might ask Jeffrey Weinberg if book
misprints are as valuable as those in stamps
and coins. >>
In the
case of the Memory Babe misprint, there is no extra worth attached to
such a
copy...But you should send the copy to Gerry and ask him to sign it
for you
anyway.
Just
don't forget to add return postage....
JW
Water
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Subject: Re: your mail
Red
wine
Slow
leaking tire
An old
poster of Clinton sucks
One
hand on your baggage
and the
other trying to pay the ticketmaster
Charles
Plymell
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Subject: Re: Cast of Characters
That'd
be "Curly".
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Waste
not, want NOT!!!! Get off the net and get smart then!
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Subject: William Burroughs on Beatles Cover
Hey,
Most of
you probably noticed this already, but if you haven't, I figured
that I
would point it out anyway. I was
looking at the cover of "Sgt.
Peppers
Lonely Hearts Club Band" today, and I realized that William
Burroughs
is actually on the cover.
Greg
Elwell
elwellg@voicenet.com -or
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Subject: (Please Read) Re: JK books for fall
Hello
Charles & All Concerned:
I hope
the Garrison Keillor thing is purely rumor in regards to
having
his hands on JK text or any other text for that matter. I
have to
live in the same town with that moron. I'm not sure how well
any of
you know how GK operates=97I for one know too much. During the
F.Scott
Fitz. 100 th. Birthday Celebration the prick along with Pat
(PLEASE GIVE ME MONEY) Hampl, censored
original text because of racial
passages-to
quote: Pat Hampl: We wanted to make his text more
politically
correct for a '90's audience. Of course, the media tried to
cover
up as much shit on the local scene as possible but it didn't
work
out the way they planned. Believe me, the TC area is just as guilty
as the
next for white-washing facts. The fact is: GK, PH, & company are
dangerously
conservative robots that would conform to anything with a
buck in
it. We have a very strong sub-culture here that goes
unnoticed-and
we like it that way. We write, paint, and sculpt for a
universal
audience-I play the blues in the 'hood and hang
with
the brothers on their turf. And the news from the hood in regards
to the
above was just another slap in the face from GK & Company. In the
words
of one young warrior: They treat us like kids hopin' we don't take
offence
and do some L.A. burnin' "They all fucked-up Richard,
youzalwhite-you
tell 'em for all us homies." Well, I told you, and I
really
hope it's all a lot of B.S with those oh-so-politically-correct
jerks.
My night is ruined. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
Richard
D. Houff
Pariah
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what the hell
Hello
Charles,
I just
recieved a letter from Robert Peters. He sends his best to you
and
thanks for bringing us together. I'll be with Bly on June 5 th, and
of
course there will be a lot of ball-busting from yours truly. I
can hardly
wait to discuss Robert Peters "Hunting The Snark." For me,
an
absolute brilliant piece of work. I had mentioned how bad I felt
having
not included him in the "Scorched Hands" anthology. I wished
Simon
Perchik would've brought it to my attention-a major oversight on
my
part. He was amused, however, that I had several of his books
shelved
in-between Maurice Maeterlinck, and Edgar Lee Masters. You
were
right-on Charles about his "Selected Poems" from Asylumn Arts.
Along
with the two titles from your Cherry Valley Editions (Ludwig of
Bavaria
/ & Blood Countess-both awesome works!) it's amazing how a man
of his
stature can be-and is-neglected by the acadame and mainstream
press.
I wonder why they're so afraid?
Richard
Houff
Pariah
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Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
Dear
Charles Plymell:
Thank
you --- and Amen to your response!!
Dawn
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Ciao, Rinaldo!
Caro
Rinaldo, il 11 maggio, 1997
Mio padre Pietro, chi e morto in 1972,
a parlato italiano
(siciliano)
con mia nonna. Ho studiato italiano in
scuola trenta anni fa,
ma io
ho dimenticato molti parole. Non ho
viaggiato in Italia mai, ma
voglio
vedere Italia, e specialmente sicilia, avante che io moriro. Miei
parenti sono venuto di Cannicatti e Girgenti. Posso leggere italiano
meglio
che posso scrivere in italiano, aloro lei puo mi scrivere in italiano
e io lo
capisco (capiscero?) bene. Signor
Sampas pensero che c'e un grande
cospirazione
e egli andra trovare un traduttore per lui aiutare!
Lei verra in California qualche
anno? Voglio cucinare un pasto
italiano
per voi e presentare a voi mia sposa Elena e mia figlia Emilia, che
si
chiama Wu Ji in cinese. Emilia (Wu Ji)
a due anni, et noi l'abbiamo
adottato
in Cina.
Spero che io non ho parlato troppo
malamente!
A domani, Geraldo
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Subject: Re: Here in Railroad Earth
Comments:
To: race@midusa.net
David,
Well it
was a good "Gun"--Randy Quaid as a lecherous country club
president
with nice bits by Darrel Hannah, Sean Young and especially
Jenniffer
Tilly with that voice and featuring handcuffs.
Some good
writing. Reminds me why I love Southern women. All that evil
repartee.
Think
I'll slide slowly off to sleep or else to nightmare. or else see
whether
the TV talking heads still think that the S$M whiskey buggery is
going
to put the kibbosh on a new stadium for the Niners, and be
reminded
that I am missing the Black and White Ball on the waterfront in
SF. Oh well.
James
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Subject: mother's day
wishing
all the Mother's on this list a very Happy day !!!
david
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Subject: finishing of Desolation Angels ...
i'm
becoming more Beat by the day it seems.
i just concluded Desolation
Angels. it was a very very slow read for me b/c the
bleakness and
peaceful
sorrow, all these notions just hit so hard directly where i am
and
have been for sometime...
even
found myself jotting down notes on a pad (that i'll likely lose
soon)
of phrases i identified with to the innards of my bones...
i think
it is overdue at the library so i'll have to get it back soon.
B4
becoming more Beat-literature, i think i'll pull a couple books off
my
shelf that have been gathering dust and look for insight ...
JK
writes "Eternity? Here and Now? Wat they talkin about? " (his
imagination
of his Mother's viewpoint) Mozart on
his death bed must
have
known this -- and Blaise de Pascal most of all ...
so the
Kerouac's will get lugged back to the library and the Pascal will
come
down from the shelf. I'll continue to
lurk and jab here and there
while i
give myself a pascalian-marrow-transfer and then move into
another
phase of Beat-literacy when the operation is performed
successfully.
david
rhaesa
salina,
kansas
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: una poesia per Gerald Nicosia
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Cari
amici beat,
Toto'
il grandissimo attore napoletano, interprete
di
numerosi bellissimi film e' anche un poeta
ecco
una sua poesia in dialetto napoletano
'O sole by Antonio De Curtis in arte Toto'
Io songo nato addo' sta 'casa 'o sole.
'O sole me cunosce 'a piccerillo;
'o primmo vaso 'nfronte - ero tantillo
-
m'ha dato quanno stevo 'int' 'o
spurtone.
E m'ha crisciuto dint' 'e braccia soje,
scanzanname 'a malanne e malatie.
'O sole! 'O sole... e' tutt'a vita
mia...
Io senza 'o sole nun pozzo campa'.
--------------------
i hope
Gerry has
no
difficulties
to
understand the
beatific
feeling
of the
Toto' verses
cari
saluti da
Rinaldo.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:40:23 +0200
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: (rants) i'm a dumb dummy beet beat
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>From: Bill Gargan
<WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
>Subject: Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but
what the hell
>To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L
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>
>Timothy,
what a wonderful idea! 100 messages x
250 or so a day. Just
remember
>to
reply directly to Rinaldo not to the list.
>
>
be
beet! be beat!! be bee!!! be!
Good
Sunday time, Bill & Timothy,
i take
a just week to reply to th
e above
sentence, 'cuz of i must
have
loooooooooooooong period for
a
serious reflexion 'bout the flo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
(thnx
L. for the suggestion...),n
w, now,
my cells brain in a week
are
diminished, & perhaps the rep
ly is
better, i'm wonder to any
person
invited some
body to
crash
my
email box, particu
larly a
beat.
there's
who thinks i'm tempted to
crash
the beat-list server? to hac
k the
listserver or destroy the li
st? the
above sentence written by
Bill
seems in this way, & don't
in my
opinion knows what really is
communicate,
writing even a zillion
of
posts to the Beat-List really a
matter
of life, of heart not only
spread
light ray trhu fibre to &
from
the ocean, & u are'nt consider
ing
this purpose of the list, U had
invited
a beat to destroy a mailbox
of
another beat! what's etichs is
that?
RANTS by a not competent beat
dummy-run
is dumb,
dummy-run
is bum
dumb is dummy
dum is bum
yrs
rinaldo.
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: (don't read this if u are'nt italian)
cari
beat,
ci sono
degli italiani sulla Beat-List,
se si'
mandatemi un reply
rinaldo@gpnet.it
grazie
in anticipo da
Rinaldo.
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>At
06:53 PM 5/10/97 +0200, you wrote:
>>i
am dumb!
>>
>>
>
>congratulations! you win!
>
>
>xxxooos.a.
>
>
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>Waste
not, want NOT!!!! Get off the net and get smart then!
>
>
i
appreciate yr opinion sir...
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From: William Morgan
<Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ginsberg's archive
Dear
Gerry:
Thanks
for your reply concerning the date on the poster, Sept. makes more
sense. By that time Stanford had possession of
Allen's papers, although it
will
take them years and years to catalogue and make everything available.
That's just the fact of life with large
collections and library staff
budgets. You might want to be careful about saying
that Columbia didn't have
a
chance to buy the collection. They had
possession of the collection for
nearly
30 years and were offered it on several occasions. They bought only
small
groups of materials, i.e. the Kerouac letters to Allen, but they never
were
able to make a commitment to buying the entire collection. In truth,
Allen
always wanted his papers to be there, he had strong feelings for
Columbia,
but again, what would you have had him do?
Give his papers to
Columbia
and live in his 4th floor walk-up until he died of a heart attack on
the
stairway? [No one guessed he would die
anyway of liver cancer, or he
might
have done something different with the collection] He used the money
to
support his friends, as usual, and buy an apartment with an elevator (the
one
requirement that he had). In addition
to that he was finding it
increasing
difficult to administer his own archive and that was becoming
expensive
and time-consuming. Each person who
wanted access to the
collection
had to go through Allen, since Columbia did not own it, they
needed
his written permission for each person.
You must have needed the same
okay
from the Ginsberg office. You can
imagine how much time this required
for all
the requests Allen received. Now
Stanford handles all that and
access
is much easier and more democratic.
As far
as selling to the Japanese, I'm wondering if you thought that
statement
over before you said it? Why would it
be wrong for a Japanese
University
to buy the Ginsberg or Kerouac collection?
It would be more
inconvenient
for you or me to use the materials, but easier for Japanese
scholars. Isn't this pretty close to being a racist
comment? I don't refuse
to look
at the Rembrandt's or Van Gogh's at the Metropolitan Museum even
though
they were taken from Europe by American industrialists at the turn of
the
century with loads of cash. Should I
only look at the paintings on trips
to the
Netherlands? Maybe time for a reality
check about money, why
shouldn't
people (Ginsberg, Sampas family, Jan, you, me) sell things for
their
true value? At least in Allen's case,
he did a lot of good work with
that
money, i.e. giving all the money from the Gap ad to Naropa Institute;
supporting
a legion of poets over the past 40 years, paying me to organize
his
photo collection, etc. We may not like
the decisions people make, they
may
sell items to people in the Middle East, Japan or Timbuktu, but if they
legitimately
own something they have the right to do with it what they will.
I love the work of the Beats, obviously, but
I don't think their papers fall
into
the category of "national treasures". They're world-wide treasures.
I hope
you'll try not to bring Ginsberg into this too much since he isn't
around
to add any light on the situation. Your
earlier mention that Allen
"refused"
to help Jan puzzled me a little. Did he
really "refuse" or was he
just
too busy to respond to your request at that time. Doesn't really sound
like
Allen to refuse to help anyone, does it?
How did
I get going on that? Hope all goes
smoothly in your quest to verify
the
legitimate owners of the Kerouac materials.
Yours,
Bill
Morgan
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From: William Morgan
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Subject: Re: Literary History of the Beats
Dear
Clay:
No
truth on this publication. Allen has
done a series of lectures on the
History
of the Beat Generation which could someday appear as a book, but
there
is nothing in the works.
Bill
Morgan
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: your mail
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At
20.50 10/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On
Sat, 10 May 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
>
>>
i am dumb!
>
>i
am birdbrain!
>
>
>Was
downtown (Cleveland) today for first meeting of Linux user's group, got
>out
at noon and wife & I drove past rockhall to see Kesey etc. Nothing
>really
going on (it'd rained all morning and was dark & gloomy) but some
>band
was playing in front of the building to about 150 people, mostly
>neohippies
and family yuppie types. No sign of new magic bus, Pranksters or
>Kesey.
Went home.
>
>Drove
back into town later in afternoon to stop by local music rag office
>and
pick up this month's review CDs; drove again past rockhall -- this time
>it
wasn't raining and no Kesey or Pranksters or bus, didn't get that close
>this
time but still had camera and thought about taking a picture of one of
>the
many day-glo yellow CLINTON SUCKS stickers plastered on telephone poles
>down
East 9th Street, main drag of town, last November election time which
>nobody
since has bothered to remove ... but was sick with headache too bad to
>get
out of the car, barely made it home, got a slow-leaking flat on one of
>my
tires and plan on drinking red wine tonight. Hope someone else has a
>better
Kesey story, 'cause I feel rotten today.
>
>m
>
Kesey
story is life!
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: mother's day
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>From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
>Subject: mother's day
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>wishing
all the Mother's on this list a very Happy day !!!
>
>david
rhaesa
>
me too,
my
mother
born
in 1926
in
green
mountains
in
the
italian
alpine
lands
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:24:21 -0400
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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
Phil,
Why are
you copying your own posts and then responding to your own words? Is
this
supposed to bolster your argument?
Also,
why not try a new line of attack? Your
constant SHOUTING of the same
themes
adds nothing new to the debate. You say
Gerry is trying to tear
people
down, but that's all I see you doing... attacking him, and not very
well at
that. Your posts look like an attempt
to simply take Nicosia "off
message"...
to muddy up the works with empty accusations, forcing him to deal
with
issues that have little to do with what is really important.
Phil,
why not interject something Positive into the mix? Whether he's right
or
wrong about the will being forged, Gerry is at least trying to do what he
can
with his attempt to keep the archives preserved forever. You even
complimented
him on that yourself in your post dated 4/30/97. What are you
doing
besides hammering on Gerry?
Phil,
in that same post you indicated you wanted to help the situation in
some
fashion.
>"What,
Gerry, will it take for you to end your feud with the Sampas family?
Tell me,
>maybe
I can help.".
You
seemed to indicate a willingness to act as go between with Nicosia and
Sampas. Do you see Sampas around town? Do you talk to him regularly? Are
you
really in a position to somehow try to broker a settlement?
I trust
if you're really in a position to do something positive you will make
the
attempt and keep all of us on the Beat-L posted. What do you say?
Jerry
Cimino
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Subject: linux
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sorry
to be off-subject.
Just
curious. How many Linux users are there on Beat-L?
-j-EnnIfEr
c.
>
>Was downtown (Cleveland) today for first meeting of Linux user's group, got
>
>out at noon and wife & I drove past rockhall to see Kesey etc. Nothing
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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
At
11:24 AM 5/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Phil,
>
>Why
are you copying your own posts and then responding to your own words?
Is this
supposed to bolster your argument?
>
Jerry,
I respond by hitting reply on my mailbox and the entire text of
Gerry's
message appears. Then I use caps to make it easier for people to see
my
response and I even state that at the beginning of the post. I realize
that
using all caps is not proper netiquette. IT'S NOT SHOUTING. That is why
I make
the statement at the beginning of the post.
>
>Also,
why not try a new line of attack? Your
constant SHOUTING of the same
>themes
adds nothing new to the debate. You say
Gerry is trying to tear
>people
down, but that's all I see you doing... attacking him, and not very
>well
at that. Your posts look like an
attempt to simply take Nicosia "off
>message"...
to muddy up the works with empty accusations, forcing him to deal
>with
issues that have little to do with what is really important.
>
>Phil,
why not interject something Positive into the mix? Whether he's
right
or wrong about the will being forged, Gerry is at least trying to do
what he
can with his attempt to keep the archives preserved forever.
Big deal he wants the archives preserved
forever. Everyone on this list
would
like the archives preserved forever. I would like all great authors
works
preserved forever. Does that make me some big hero? I also would like
all of
Bill Gates money to go to fighting aids. I would also like world
peace,
to end hunger, whatever. Why wouldn't you think John Sampas would
want
the archive preserved forever.
I AM doing something positive by
working hard with "Lowell
Celebrates
Kerouac" to promote Kerouac. He is doing all he can to destroy
L.C.K.
How, may I ask is this helping his cause of getting the archives
preserved
forever. He wants John Sampas to give Paul Blake Jr. money when
Jan
Kerouac herself didn't leave him anything at all. She disinherited him.
> You even complimented him on that yourself
in your post dated 4/30/97.
What
are you doing besides hammering on Gerry? Phil, in that same post you
indicated
you wanted to help the situation in some fashion.
Your
right I give credit where credit is due. But if someone lies about the
facts
constantly and relates people to Hitler what hope is there of a mutual
agreement?
>>"What,
Gerry, will it take for you to end your feud with the Sampas
family? Tell me,maybe I can help.".
>You
seemed to indicate a willingness to act as go between with Nicosia and
>Sampas. Do you see Sampas around town? Do you talk to him regularly? Are
>you
really in a position to somehow try to broker a settlement?
Of
course I know him. Yes I see him around town. Yes I talk to him. Yes I'm
sure
Gerry will say that's why I am doing this. I am my own man and this is
what I
believe not what John Sampas tells me to say like Gerry would lead
you to
believe. I say what I think nobody puts me up to anything. Yes I am
in a
position to help but Gerry's position is that Stella is a criminal and
that
she forged the will. If you knew Stella Kerouac you would know how
ridiculously
far fetched this is. How can anyone smooth something like that
over?
That is his main argument and it is a preposterous and totally un
logical
one. Gerry is so frustrated by the fact that Jack didn't leave Jan
or Paul
Blake anything. Jack Kerouac is the only one to blame for this. Not
the
Sampas family.
Gerry
knows quite well that John Sampas has placed numerous items in the
Berg
collection at the NYPL. I have in front of me eight pages of items that
the
Sampas family has placed in the Berg collection of NYPL. Why does he
distort
the truth and act like the Sampas family has never done anything
good. He also knows that John didn't shut down the
archive at U-Lowell. But
he
continues to lie about the issues to make himself look like a big hero.
You
tell me what I can do and I will do everything I can but I have to say I
am very
pessimistic about the outcome.
>I
trust if you're really in a position to do something positive you will
make
the attempt and keep all of us on the Beat-L posted. What do you say?
I say
start by telling Gerry to stop bashing people like L.C.K. I can assure
you
many of the hard working volunteers (especially the young ones) have
never
even heard of Nicosia or Sampas. So what does he want. Maybe we should
just
dissolve the entire organization and not promote Kerouac at all. Is
that
what he wants. Even if the Sampas family had never given one red cent
to
promote the festival. Gerry's agenda of promoting a lawsuit would not be
appropriate
for a Kerouac celebration and I think the members of the beat-l
would
agree. Phil Chaput-Lowell Mass.
P.S. By
the way can you send me catalog Jerry? My address is:
Philip
Chaput
19
Wannalancit St.
Lowell,
Mass.01854
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: refrain
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Cari
amici beat,
nella
mia mente si aggira questo ritornello
refrain
my darling child
my darling baby
my darling child
my darling baby
like a swing...
ripetuto
all'infinito,
ricorda
la madre, alla quale Giuseppe Ungaretti,
the
poet who stand up as friend with Allen Ginsberg,
dedica
una poesia bellissima che ora trascrivo:
LA MADRE
1930
E il cuore quando d'un ultimo battito
Avra' fatto cadere il muro d'ombra,
Per condurmi, Madre, sino al Signore,
Come una volta mi darai la mano.
In ginocchio, decisa,
Sarai una statua davanti all'Eterno,
Come gia' ti vedeva
Quando eri ancora in vita.
Alzerai tremante le vecchie braccia,
Come quando spirasti
Dicendo: Mio Dio, eccomi.
E solo quando m'avra' perdonato,
Ti verra' desiderio di guardarmi.
Ricorderai d'avermi atteso tanto,
E avrai negli occhi un rapido sospiro.
i hope
there's
an
american
translation
of this
wonder
poem,
yr
rinaldo.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:53:21 -0700
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Inadvertent message
I would
like to apologize for my late post last night--backchannel late
night
ramblings inadvertently posted to the list by this bumbling
Beatler
Happy
Mothers Day to the Mothers! and Frank Zappa.
James
Stauffer
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From: Mick Parsons
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Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
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hey
all...
I've
been silently listening to this argument since it started, and while
i
believe wholeheartedly in free exchange and defense of postion, these
flamings
(whether intentional or not) aren't constructive to the probelm
at
hand... Gerry, and Phil have made both thier positions abundantly
clear,
and I think they both have their points... but at this point in the
discussion,
there is only 2 ways to proceed:
1) work
towards some kind of compromise, because it doens't look like
either
side will win, and all of us will lose out in the end.
2) walk
away from the table and leave it to the lawyers, becasue they're
the
only ones who will benefit from all this hooha, and agan, we ALL LOSE
OUT.
I am
not trying to jump on anyone's case, I just would like to see the
discusison
go somewhere besides in circles.
from
the peanut gallery,
mick
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"I
know the passionate lover of fine style exposes himself to the hatred
of the
masses; but no respect for humanity, no
false modesty, no
conspiracy,
no universal suffrage will ever force me to speak the
unspeakable
jargon of the age, or to confuse ink with virtue."
Mick
Parsons
-Baudelaire
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From: Mike Pearson
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Subject: Know beat, what of I do?
At
02:40 PM 5/11/97 +0200, you wrote:
> RANTS by a not competent beat
>
> dummy-run
> is dumb,
>
> dummy-run
> is bum
>
> dumb is dummy
> dum is bum
>
You're
right, I am beat Beat BEAT
Apologies Angels Avatars Anachronisms
Allegories
Not a one 'til we deme it so
I'm off. always a little off.
Please accept my ...uh... anachronisms?
Felicitations
you bring out the beat in me
Can do? beater than this ....a
primal Survibrations
My Heart, a Slave? Beates
What do I know? Thee Creates
Those who watch us, tax us
Disciplinus -- do we learn? Latin word.
Quintessential Dan -is he
quintessential WASP
Is WASP quintenssental
Roman? Is color prettinent,
or else sound?
Aint Rancisco the pinnacle of
evolution
other metro's
nipping jealously at the Golden Calves
Do Sugar Loaf Intentions count?
(One... two..., one two three ! Color!)
Lombardy misquoted? Win the
real game -- subscribe now!
What do I know of beat? My Heart,
a Slave?
Repeat a good line. I saw the best generations of my mind
Narcissus -tically.
If only I could see it your way
www.ellensburg.com/~digress
"We
recognize that there are no trivial occurrences in life if we get the
right
focus on them."
-- Mark Twain, 1906
quoted in _Susy and Mark Twain: Family Dialogues_
arranged and edited by Edith Colgate Salsbury
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:00:41 -0500
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From: jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>
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>At
11:24 AM 5/11/97 -0400, you :
>Phil
Chaput wrote,
>But
if someone lies about the
>facts
constantly and relates people to Hitler what hope is there of a mutual
>agreement?
You should
re-read that post. You have it wrong.
j grant
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From: MORE OXY THAN MORON
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Subject: Pranksters hit Cleveland
Kesey
and the Pranksters hit Cleveland about 2:30 in the afternoon, just after
Donavan
finished a set (which I missed). A good size crowd cheered ( I am no
good at
guessing numbers) as they pulled up with about five people on the roof,
one
waving a large American flag. Ken Babbs took to the microphone for a bit
while
they de-bussed and answered some questions. Country Joe came on and did a
great
set including the Woodstock version of the FISH CHEER. After Joe the
Pranksters
came on and Ken led then in a version of G-L-O-R-I-A.
Big
Brother and the Holding Company finished up with a Janis clone who was
actually
pretty good. I thought it was a bit depressing though, to go and make
a
living this way with the Janis clone but hopefully, they do it only on
special
occaisions.
The
reception was from 7-9 and was fun because you got to see the musuem
menbers
in their glitzy wear contrasted with the Pranksters, still in
Prankster-wear.
I asked Ken Babbs about joining BEAT-L and he said
"Yeah...someday
maybe..." he was pretty tired and had had a few drinks so who
knows.
Kesey was asleep and showewd up later on and by that time, I forgot to
ask him
about joining BEAT-L. They fired up the "Thunder Machine" which is a
combination
go-cart and one-man-band. Ken was inside speaking through a
microphone
which boomed through the whole musuem. Babbs was another microphone
while
someone plucked on some stings on the side while another beat on the
built-in
drum. The few leftover Pranksters took some of Ken's weed and fired up
a big
bowl, damn, it was a pretty fine time, the food was good and the booze
was
un-limited.
AS for
the exhibit, I WANT TO TAKE YOU HIGHER, is well worth a look if you are
in the
Cleveland area. It was not as extensive as I thought but what they had
was
great....Some Hunter Thompson letters, the guitar Lennon used during his
and
Yoko's 8 day bed-in, a lot of Bill Graham's stuff, Mouse Studio posters,
you get
the picture...
Finally,
Kesey's play TWISTER will open in NYC in about a month. Viking will
release
the combo book and video at about the same time. Excuse the lame
description
of the events but I am still a bit tired. When I finally left the
reception,
the bus was still parked out front in the dark, except for a black
light
inside that made the whole day-glo interior catch on fire, ah, what a
sight
that was. My daughter kissed the bus on the hood before a guard chased us
away.
Dave B.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:04:41 -0700
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Ginsberg's archive
.... You might want to be careful about saying
that Columbia didn't have
>a
chance to buy the collection....
>As
far as selling to the Japanese, I'm wondering if you thought that
>statement
over before you said it? Why would it
be wrong for a Japanese
>University
to buy the Ginsberg or Kerouac collection?
It would be more
>inconvenient
for you or me to use the materials, but easier for Japanese
>scholars. Isn't this pretty close to being a racist
comment?.....
....Your
earlier mention that Allen
>"refused"
to help Jan puzzled me a little. Did he
really "refuse" or was he
>just
too busy to respond to your request at that time. Doesn't really sound
>like
Allen to refuse to help anyone, does it?....
>
>Yours,
>Bill
Morgan
>
Dear
Bill, May 11, 1997
I didn't say Ginsberg shouldn't have
sold his archive to Stanford.
I just
said the fact that Columbia was going to be upset by the fact that
they
"lost" it was reason enough for Allen to keep his negotiations
secret.
I'm
still waiting for Mr. Sampas or his supporters to explain WHY--if he is
indeed
engaged in secret negotiations with the NY Public Library--HE TOO
NEEDS
TO KEEP HIS NEGOTIATIONS SECRET?
As for the Japanese, Allen and I were
talking about PRIVATE JAPANESE
COLLECTORS,
not Japanese universities. With a
Chinese daughter, I'd be the
last
person to make racist remarks against the Asians! But I do think that
the
Beats are AMERICAN cultural treasures, and I think their archives ought
to
remain here, if possible, just as I deplore the continual smuggling of
Italian
Renaissance masterpieces out of Italy by some of the big auction
houses--because
the paintings bring more money outside of Italy.
I wrote Allen well in advance of the
Jan Kerouac benefits. He
didn't
answer. So I called him, and he started screaming at me that he "had
no
money to give." I told him we
didn't want money; we just wanted him to
donate
something, even a book. He then fell
back on the argument that he
couldn't
"get involved, couldn't take sides," even though I explained the
money
would also help Jan with medical expenses.
Not only did Allen never send anything
for the auction, he told
several
people not to help Jan. He told Herb
Gold to stay away from the
benefits
(I have this direct from Herb Gold), and he told Gary Snyder not to
perform
after I'd sought Gary's assistance. (I
don't have that direct from
Gary,
but have it from folksinger Utah Phillips, who's Gary's neighbor and
friend. Utah did come down to SF and perform for
Jan.)
Allen was a great man and a great
writer, but I will resist the
attempts
to deify him (just as I've never deified Kerouac, who had a huge
dark
side, was enormously self-destructive, and hurt a lot of the people in
his
life, including his daughter Jan).
Allen had lots of blind sides (women
represented
a big one), and at times he had amazing gaps of compassion (he
was not
a saint, sorry). Ask some of Corso's
friends, like George Scrivani,
how
they feel Ginsberg let Gregory down over and over again.
Allen's rejection of his goddaughter
Jan remains one of the cruelest
things
he ever did--especially when he waved police on to take her out of
NYU,
where she had asked to speak for only 5 minutes.
I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Robert Peters brilliant piece
Comments:
To: stand666@bitstream.net
Richard:
When
the arts are determined by parks departments and we honor our poets
through
ticketmasters and Moloch, the CIA, and the academe are one, Robert
Peters
becomes a big bad wolf.
Charles
Plymell
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Ginsberg's archive
Comments:
To: gnicosia@earthlink.net
In a
message dated 97-05-11 20:30:50 EDT, you write:
<<
Allen had lots of blind sides (women
represented a big one), and at times he had
amazing gaps of compassion (he
was not a saint, sorry). Ask some of Corso's friends, like George
Scrivani,
how they feel Ginsberg let Gregory down over
and over again.
Allen's rejection of his goddaughter
Jan remains one of the cruelest
things he ever did--especially when he waved
police on to take her out of
NYU, where she had asked to speak for only 5
minutes.
I calls 'em as I sees 'em. >>
Gerry:
Those
amazing gaps of compassion made our relationships with Allen eventually
cordial.
Maybe that was the best way. He sat at Burroughs' dinner table and
edited
a poem of James and one of mine. Someone mentioned that that wasn't
necessary
and he joked and said that's what I do for a living. It seemed then
that I
was talking to his father, Louis. It appeared then that he was trying
to
"put many things in order", he even mentioned an old quarrel about
Peter
inspecting
the beams in my house and said it was Ed the Hermit's idea which
was
surprising to me because it had nothing to do with much of anything
except
his interpertation. There was a time I could scream at him for what I
perceived
as hiprocrisy, but maybe it all just comes to an end with just
correcting
the manuscripts. To think just how far his gaps of compassion
could
reach would, in Pound's words, "trouble my sleep".
Charles
Plymell
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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.....
1)Why
wouldn't you think John Sampas would
>want
the archive preserved forever....
> ....2) He is doing all he can to destroy
>L.C.K....3)
He wants John Sampas to give Paul Blake Jr. money when
>Jan
Kerouac herself didn't leave him anything at all. She disinherited him....
4) Yes
I am
>in
a position to help but Gerry's position is that Stella is a criminal and
>that
she forged the will....That is his main argument....
>5)
I have in front of me eight pages of items that
>the
Sampas family has placed in the Berg collection of NYPL. Why does he
>distort
the truth and 6) act like the Sampas family has never done anything
>good.
7) He also knows that John didn't shut down the archive at U-Lowell. But
>he
continues to lie about the issues to make himself look like a big hero....
>
>8)
I say start by telling Gerry to stop bashing people like L.C.K....9)
Gerry's
agenda of promoting a lawsuit would not be
>appropriate
for a Kerouac celebration .... Phil Chaput-Lowell Mass.
Dear
Phil, May 11, 1997
In the heat of the night here a few
nights ago, exhausted and
punchy,
I called you a liar. Next morning I
immediately apologized. I
realized
that a word like "lie" or "liar" is inflammatory, and this
debate
needs
to be cooled down. But you turn right
around and call me a "liar" and
add
insult to injury, claiming once again that I'm just a glory-seeker. My
record
of Beat scholarship, writings, and lectures represents years and
years
of hard, hard work. I hardly need to
defend myself on that score.
But you continually put false words in
my mouth; make false
assertions;
and make me waste hours and hours of my time refuting things I
never
even said in the first place. Whether
or not John Sampas has put you
up to
this, it certainly works to his advantage, when right now I need to be
doing a
lot of other things besides unsaying things I never said.
It's like I'm going to wake up
tomorrow morning and find that you
have
claimed:
"Gerry Nicosia wants to see John
Sampas shot by a firing squad.
"Gerry Nicosia has advocated the
city of Lowell be burned to the ground.
"Gerry Nicosia has earned ten
million dollars by working for Jan
Kerouac."
So then I have to patiently explain
how I never said or did any of
those
things.
Come on! You can't expect me to play this game forever. And I'm
not
going to. I will proceed to demolish
your credibility right here, and I
ask
Beat-List readers to realize that, if I don't answer Mr. Chaput's next
25
charges, it is because they have as little to do with reality as the
above
ones:
(Please note: I have added numbers to
Mr. Chaput's arguments to make
my
refutation clearer.)
1)
John Sampas refused to cooperate with Weinberg's attempt to sell
Kerouac's
archive to the Bancroft. Sampas stood
up Tom Staley, from the U.
of
Texas, who had come to Mass. to discuss acquiring Kerouac's archive for
the
Humanities Research Center. Mr. Sampas
still claims he wishes the
material
to go into the New York Public Library, but after 6 years he still
hasn't
signed even a "statement of intention." In the meantime, he has sold
off
hundreds of pieces of the Kerouac archive to private dealers and
collectors. That's why.
2) Let's get this STRAIGHT, Phil. YOU brought Lowell Celebrates
Kerouac!
into this argument, not me. As one of
your personal attacks on me,
you
grouched that I had never donated money to LCK! So I proceeded to tell
you why
I had never donated to them, which is principally because they have
been a
one-sided, partisan affair (a mouthpiece for the Sampas family) from
the
very beginning. And the National Park
Service has been sent numerous
complaints
to this effect.
3) Jan did not disinherit Paul
Blake. She did not put him in her
will
because SHE FULLY EXPECTED TO SEE HER CASE AGAINST THE SAMPSES GO TO
TRIAL
in a few months, to win in Florida, and to share the winnings with
Paul
Blake, Jr. She knew that if Stella's
will was disqualified, Paul would
get a
full third of the multi-million dollar estate.
It was more important
at the
time for her to provide for her exhusband, who is a struggling
writer,
and her half-brother, who is quite poor and raising a young son.
Like
Jack, Jan did not expect to die as quickly as she did. Had she lost in
Florida,
I'm sure she would have put Paul into her will.
Besides, she gave the Blake family
considerable financial assistance
while
she was alive. She bought hundreds of
dollars of clothing for Paul
Jr's
homeless son, Paul III, in Nevada, and she gave Paul a couple of
thousand
dollars to buy tools for his trade and to get his teeth fixed. She
would
have done more had she been able to afford it--and had Mr. Sampas not
been
chipping away at her income.
4)
I never said anywhere that STELLA SAMPAS FORGED GABRIELLE'S
WILL. My position is that until further
handwriting analysis is done, WE
DON'T
KNOW WHO FORGED THE WILL. This is PURE
PHIL CHAPUT invention, and I'm
growing
damned tired of it.
5) Rodney Phillips showed me that
list, and almost everything on it
was
XEROXES of letters, etc., not original manuscript. See my earlier post
to
Attila about why xeroxes are much less useful for textual scholarship.
6) I never said "the Sampas
family never did anything good."
AGAIN,
THIS IS
YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH AGAIN. I
just finished a post a few
nights
ago saying how much help Tony Sampas had given me on my biography,
and how
much I appreciated Tony's nonpartisan spirit.
7) Martha Mayo, librarian at U Mass,
Lowell, Special Collections,
has
thus far GIVEN ME THE NAME OF ONLY ONE PERSON WHO OBJECTED TO PUBLIC
ACCESS
TO THE MEMORY BABE COLLECTION: JOHN SAMPAS.
If there are others,
let's
have her finally reveal them!
8) Again, guy, you, not me, dragged
LCK! into this.
9) Now we have the "MR. CHAPUT
CONVENIENTLY IGNORES EVERYTHING I'VE
SAID IN
PAST POSTS" trick. I have
repeatedly reminded Mr. Chaput that the
Lowell
Kerouac Committee practiced A POLICY OF EXCLUSION TOWARDS ME AND JAN
FROM
ITS INCEPTION IN 1988. Jan's lawsuit
was not filed until mid-1994.
For the tired Beat-List readers, I'll
try to conclude all these
exchanges
soon with a big over-view, and get us out of this smoke and mire
of
nonsense charges that Mr. Chaput is promoting.
Best, Gerry Nicosia