beat list 1997

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:19:41 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS (the dark side of a beet)

Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

> dear friends beat,

> everything is a-perfect, i'm a-perfect, u're a-perfect,

> why the death of a mosquito is a-perfect? why u are

> pulling the screw in the coffin, dark shame in the ground,

> BROTHERS who loves a beet?, keep my head in the hands, come

> faccio a scrivere ancora e ancora e ancora... Red Charlie

> pop up Parker, red twilight, rosso tramonto veneziano,

> i read JK in american or in italian, how many JK there are

> in the worlds, cage is on the street... Red Cage... go on!

rinaldo,

i don't comprehend a nickel's worth of Italian, but i read your Italian

poetry anyway. without comprehending, i think i still catch a bit of

understanding and certainly some of the beauty.

i got your postcard today of Pound's centre of the universe.

beautiful. i showed it to my mother this morning (she'd been to venice

once) and she says she has some cards somewhere of the barren Kansas

plains and will give me one to send to you sometime.

david rhaesa

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:29:53 -0700

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From: James William Marshall <iamio@MAIL.NETSHOP.NET>

Subject: An Introduction

Hello,

My name is James Marshall. I've been a fan of the beats since I read

_The Dharma Bums_ in grade twelve (prior to that I enjoyed the beats in

certain songs also). Now I'm a fourth year English major and an aspiring

novelist. After reading _The Dharma Bums_ I went on a Kerouacky reading

spree which led me to read some of his friends works as well. I've never

had the opportunity to study Beat literature in any of my classes and it

looks like I'll be graduating without said opportunity. Uh, I just realized

that I'm probably punctuating far too formally for a Beat List so bop de dot

dot dot my apologies.

Been following the list for a few days now and the whole estate

controversy interests me 'cause I'da thought those humanuscripts would be in

a library vault by now somewhere near Lowell but then I remembered that I

don't think when I don't have to anymore 'cause I got this aneurysm from

thinkin and I had to fix it with a pair of scissors.

The Beats influenced my early writing and now I find myself in the

mirror and using Burroughs-like organic metaphors in one particular piece

that I pretend to be writing and I say pretend because I can't think of a

better word and because I don't really love writing even though I do but

usually it's as painful as piercing that aneurysm was. I also found myself

emulating the lifestyle you know the drug use but I don't emulate anymore or

at least I don't take drugs anymore with the exceptions of excessive amounts

of caffeine, nicotene and alcohol but those drugs don't hurt you do they

they only cause cancer and liver damage and I have home remedies for that.

I treat my lungs with my microwave oven and several cleverly placed mirrors

and as for my liver well that's no longer a problem if you know what I mean.

Gone. It and me. Looking forward to hearing more of what you guys talk about.

James M.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:58:26 -0400

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From: Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject: Re: Rod Anstee's essay

Jeffrey,

Please, yes, thank you! My address is:

Antoine Maloney

1525 Wrexham Avenue

Montreal, Quebec H3J 1B2

Hope you still have some.

Antoine

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>I forgot to mention to the Beat-L:

>I need your snail-mail address to send you Rod's essay on JK's Selected

>Letters book. It is a booklet that we published a few years ago.

>Thanks -

>Jeffrey

Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

"An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

-- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:26:29 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: A mute voice on the Estate Battle

In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 16 May 1997 14:11:55 -0400 from <stutz@DSL.ORG>

On Fri, 16 May 1997 14:11:55 -0400 Michael Stutz said:

>On Fri, 16 May 1997, John Mitchell wrote:

>>I wasn't gonna mention this, but I happen to own a pair of Kerouac's shoes,

>>found at the Good Will.

>Just curious: how did you identify them as his?

>Speaking of all things Kerouac, how is it spelled -- is it "Kerouacian,"

>like I've seen on the list as of late, or "Kerouackian"? First time I saw it

>was with the "ck" and I thought it looked weird & wrong, but now every time

>I see "Kerouacian" I think it's goofy too -- every time I mentally pronounce

>it "care-oo-ay-see-en."

Lose the K

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:42:58 -0400

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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Rod Anstee's essay

Hi Jeffrey:

please send Rod's essey. Thanks

Howard Park

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:43:12 -0400

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From: Carl A Biancucci <carl@WORLD.STD.COM>

Subject: Re: Looking For Jack: The Literary Influences of Jack Keroua

In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970503003705.00664cf4@pop.pipeline.com> from "PAM" at

May 2, 97 08:37:05 pm

Would the 'author' of the LOOKING FOR JACK email

send their private email address to me off-line at carl@world.std.com?

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:10:09 -0600

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From: R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

Subject: Tom Clark

Hello Dave,

Unfortunately, Tom really could use the money via benefit or what-

ever. His health is very bad and the medical bills out weigh the

wallet. I'll be seeing Bly on June 4th, and maybe-just maybe, we

can come up with some plans. St. Paul, is a very conservative and

anal town. Outside of a select few-usually square, poets are frowned

upon and there's very little support. One of the better features we

have is a sub-culture of poets and writers that avoid the above main-

stream creeps that run the show. Some very well known writers and

artists live in and around the area-without notice or hype! So that's

cool. At any rate, I really was hoping for Tom's sake in regards to

the Jim Carroll benefit. It's nice to know that he's in peoples

thoughts-and thanks for the info and work on your end.

Richard Houff

Pariah Press

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:22:08 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: burning down a little house

i've been going through some old notebooks and paper scraps and i came

across something i'd written some obscure notes about.

it was at River City Reunion and something about a group meeting in the

country outside of Lawrence (i have some reference to burroughs and

ginsberg pissing together in the woods and the storyteller telling me

that a camera would have been nice).

anyway, there was something about a small model of a house or something

and that the group stood around while the small little house model was

set into flames.

does anyone know any more about this tale? is it mere legend? what was

the deal with burning down the little house? was there some

significance symbolic or otherwise?

david rhaesa

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:16:12 -0700

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From: Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Subject: Re: Conspiracies

> >On 05-16-97 Jerry Cimino wrote:

> >>

> >>You know when I was in San Fran a few months ago and saw the OTR scroll for

> >>the first time with my own eyes I was mesmerized! Here I was looking thru

> >>this piece of glass at a mythical document that changed my life 20 years

ago.

> >> I was fascinated! Tears welled up in my eyes. I read every word I could

> >>see on it.

> >>

Why did Kerouac write on rolls of paper? I guess I always imagined him

plugging away at one of those old manual typewriters. Were the rolls

easier to come by, leftovers from printing presses?

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:39:08 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: Conspiracies

Diane Carter wrote:

> > >On 05-16-97 Jerry Cimino wrote:

> > >>

> > >>You know when I was in San Fran a few months ago and saw the OTR scroll

for

> > >>the first time with my own eyes I was mesmerized! Here I was looking thru

> > >>this piece of glass at a mythical document that changed my life 20 years

> ago.

> > >> I was fascinated! Tears welled up in my eyes. I read every word I could

> > >>see on it.

> > >>

> Why did Kerouac write on rolls of paper? I guess I always imagined him

> plugging away at one of those old manual typewriters. Were the rolls

> easier to come by, leftovers from printing presses?

adding paper at the end of each page breaks the flow ... i bet Jack

would love word processors. he kind of turned the old typewriter into

one in a way.

david rhaesa

p.s. that's what i've heard ... no firsthand knowledge ... only meet

Jack in my less sane moments.... :)

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:21:54 -0400

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From: Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Rod Anstee's essay

The Anstee piece is on the way, daddy-o

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:44:00 -0400

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From: corduroy <corduroy@EARTHLINK.NET>

Organization: http://www.levity.com/corduroy

Subject: Reseller Search Page?

Comments: To: "antiweb@pobox.com" <antiweb@pobox.com>

Comments: cc: The Bohemian Ink <BOHEMIAN@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>

Someone sent a URL over the list awhile back that enabled people

to search used books offered by a large number of resellers. I

have searched high and low for this email, through my bookmarks,

and even the web-- with no luck at all..

If someone knows this URL I would GREATLY appreciate the location!

..cR

__________

.........| Bohemian Ink: http://www.levity.com/corduroy

.o..o..o.|

.........| christopher d. ritter

--------.| - corduroy@earthlink.net -

==|_| ||

==[===] || "There is a struggle going on for the minds of

|___| || American people. Every form of expression is

--------.| subject to the attack of reaction. This attack

..KRUPS..| comes in the shape of silence, persecution,

.........| and censorship: three names for fear."

======== - Circle, 1948 -

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:06:27 -0700

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Re: A mute voice on the Estate Battle

s.a. griffin wrote:

> >>---W.B. Yeats

> >

> I have one of Micheline's grey funky hats that I wear upon occasion.

And that is a funky look.

James Stauffer

beeten but not bowed

> xxxooo

> s.a.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:55:59 -0700

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Lowell, from another slant

Dear Beat-L,

We've been hearing so much Lowell politics, that I thought I would share

a poem from Billy Collins, who is a friend of mine and Robert Peters

from our time at Univ. of Calif., Riverside. Not a Beat, Billy, but a

nice touch.

LOWELL, MASS.

Kerouad was born in the same town

as my father, but my father never

had time to write "On the Road"

let alone drive around the country

in circles.

He wrote notes for the kitchen table

and a novel of checks

and a few speeches to lullaby

businessmen after a fat lunch

and some of his writing is within

me for I house catalogues of jokes

and handbooks of advice

on horses, snow tires, women,

along with some short stories

about the deadbeats at the office

but he was quicker to pick up

a telephone than a pen.

Like Jack, he took a drink bu

beatific to him meant the Virgin Mary.

He called jazz jungle music

and he would have told Neal Casssady

to let him off at the next light.

(from "The Apple That Astonished Paris" University of Arkansas Press.

1988.)

James Stauffer

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 01:14:03 -0400

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From: Jeff Durand <LCKerouac@AOL.COM>

Subject: Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

Experienced and emerging writers are invited to submit written works in

competition for the 9th Annual Jack Kerouac Literary Prize. This Prize

will consist of a $500 honorarium and the invitation to present the prize

manuscript at a public reading during the annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

Festival to be held in Lowell, Massachusetts from October 1 through October

5, 1997.

For more information, visit http://members.aol.com/LCKerouac/festival.htm

Look for the Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! website, coming soon...

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 07:02:19 -0400

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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: A mute voice on the Estate Battle

In a message dated 97-05-16 14:23:17 EDT, you write:

<< Speaking of all things Kerouac, how is it spelled -- is it "Kerouacian,"

like I've seen on the list as of late, or "Kerouackian"? >>

I think its Kerowackoian.

enjoy, Attila

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 06:40:20 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: A mute voice on the Estate Battle

Attila Gyenis wrote:

> In a message dated 97-05-16 14:23:17 EDT, you write:

> << Speaking of all things Kerouac, how is it spelled -- is it "Kerouacian,"

> like I've seen on the list as of late, or "Kerouackian"? >>

> I think its Kerowackoian.

> enjoy, Attila

Care(uh)WACKion

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 11:48:21 -0400

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From: Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Rod Anstee's essay

In-Reply-To: <970516154605_1821370566@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Jeffrey

Weinberg" at May 16, 97 03:46:07 pm

Jeffrey--Please send a copy of the essay. Thanks.

Tony Trigilio

40 Queensberry St., #19

Boston, MA 02215

> I forgot to mention to the Beat-L:

> I need your snail-mail address to send you Rod's essay on JK's Selected

> Letters book. It is a booklet that we published a few years ago.

> Thanks -

> Jeffrey

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 01:34:09 -0600

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From: R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

Subject: Tom Clark

Hello Jeanne,

Jim Carroll did a benefit for a Tom Clark-not the writer, Tom Clark.

Probably a friend of Carroll's, I don't know. Tom-the writer, is a

friend of mine who could use a little help. Do they still book blues-

men at the Bottom Line? I haven't been out in NYC in a number of yrs.

Richard Houff

Pariah Press

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 10:30:33 -0600

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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject: HUNTER S. THOMPSON booksigning (fwd)

thot folks here would be interested in this...

yrs

derek

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:54:25 -0700

From: BOOKSMITH <read@booksmith.com>

Newsgroups: alt.books.beatgeneration

Subject: HUNTER S. THOMPSON booksigning

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:45:21 -0400

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From: George Russell <CodyPomera@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: The editing of Kerouac's Selected Letters

I would like to get a copy...Thanks.

George Russell

PO Box 10667

Bainbridge Island, WA.

98110

Thanks again!

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:09:00 -0400

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From: "Robert H. Sapp" <rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET>

Subject: Re: A mute voice on the Estate Battl

In-Reply-To: <BEAT-L%97051619280949@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On Fri, 16 May 1997, Bill Gargan wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 1997 14:11:55 -0400 Michael Stutz said:

> >On Fri, 16 May 1997, John Mitchell wrote:

> >

> >>I wasn't gonna mention this, but I happen to own a pair of Kerouac's shoes,

> >>found at the Good Will.

> >

> >Just curious: how did you identify them as his?

> >

> >Speaking of all things Kerouac, how is it spelled -- is it "Kerouacian,"

> >like I've seen on the list as of late, or "Kerouackian"? First time I saw it

> >was with the "ck" and I thought it looked weird & wrong, but now every time

> >I see "Kerouacian" I think it's goofy too -- every time I mentally pronounce

> >it "care-oo-ay-see-en."

> Lose the K

Who ckares?

just kidding,

Eric

rhs4@crystal.palace.net

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:03:59 +0200

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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE,

DON'T READ THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.DON'T READ,

PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.

K E R O U A C

IL DOTTOR SAX

Libro primo

FANTASMI DELLA NOTTE

DI PAWTUCKETVILLE

L'altra notte ho sognato che stavo seduto sul mar-

ciapede di Moody Street, Pawtucketville, Lowell,

Massachusetts,... Qui a farmez ma porte? Parsonne voyons donc.

GOD READS THIS.

DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ

THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ

THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, GOD READ THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.

DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ

THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ

THIS. thake me by hand, GOD, around the midnight, GOD i send u a

letter, GOD if ever u read this, WHY U CREATES MYSELF?, WHY I BORN?,

THIS DON'T READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ

THIS DON'T READ, PLEASE fantasmi agghiaccianti, fredde, COLD,

streets italiane, tears, cerchietti, bracelets, ASE, GOD READ THIS.DON'T

READ, PLEASE, DON'T READ THIS.T READ, PL

DON'T READ, PLEASE, god thake by hand Pakistani, WHY I BORN? WHY I BORN?

WHY I BORN? WHY I BORN? WHY I BORN? WHY I BORN? god thake by hand OLD wo/men,

god thake by hand pacemaker's lawyer, god thake by hand that tatoo GIRL,

god thake by hand by handby handby handby hand

WHY I BORN? WHY I RAT?

WHY I CLOUD? WHY I SQUEKING?

WHY? WHY? ever read me!

R I N A L D O

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:11:38 +0200

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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: Re: A mute voice on the Estate Battl

In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.970517150805.24212A-100000@crystal.palace.n et>

Bien c'est pas'l diable plesant.

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:39:23 -0600

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From: John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject: Re: Truth!

In-Reply-To: <970516180816_-130076203@emout15.mail.aol.com>

Now that you mention it , I kinda see myself like Jack Nicholson, more like

the Easy Rider one in his football helmet or the 5 Easy Pieces one trying

to order a reality sandwich from Big Waitron. But I'm not sure my

resemblance to Jack is the Truth even as I see it. But more and more I

find that my version of the Truth tends to be the one I most enjoy when

feeling sorry for myself. It's nice to be a consolation to yr own elf.

(Thanks for the plot review and that great line: "You couldn't handle the

truth!" I remember an old white haired Presbyterian preacher in 1962

preaching about how everybody wants to run off to seek The Truth On the

Road of Life, who then declared: "We already know more of The Truth than

we are willing to put into practice!" Ain't that Han-Shan--the ole timey

Dharma Bum with the sake belly pressing against his Merry Prankster &

Grateful Dead BeatList T-shirt? I sometimes remind myself that I already

know more of the truth of Jack Kerouac than I am willing to put into

practice [green tea, pork 'n' beans heated in the can, hershey bars], hence

am not obsessed all that much about seeing additional Dead Sea Scrolls from

and about him.) // John M.

(James S., when you get time, please send me an electronic baloney sandwich

from that little deli that used to be in Bolinas. Plus cheese. Or is it

all quiche now? And one of those weird stones with the perfectly round

holes swirled into them that you used to be able to find on the Naked Beach

nearby.)

>I'm wondering how many Jack Nicholsons there may be on this list.

>I'm wondering how many people are convinced their version of the Truth is the

>only version.

>Tell your story. Together with mine and everyone else's maybe we can see

>things more clearly.

>Jerry Cimino

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 00:41:51 +0200

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: Re: Truth!

In-Reply-To: <l03020903afa3eaa3973a@[141.224.144.84]>

hey,

De Vito in the cuckoo nest is a must, mybe reconsider

the beat experience? De Vito is a beat?.

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:47:05 -0600

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject: Re: A mute voice on the Estate Battle

In-Reply-To: <BEAT-L%97051619280949@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>On Fri, 16 May 1997 14:11:55 -0400 Michael Stutz said:

>>On Fri, 16 May 1997, John Mitchell wrote:

>>>I wasn't gonna mention this, but I happen to own a pair of Kerouac's shoes,

>>>found at the Good Will.

>>Just curious: how did you identify them as his?

They weren't tongue-tied. // John M.

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:45:14 -0700

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From: Lorraine Perrotta <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Reseller Search Page?

CR-

I'm replying to the list in case anyone else is interested. Try

www.interloc.com. You can search by author title etc., they have some crazy

number of books listed for sale, many at reasonable prices, like 2 million

books. Happy shopping to you.

Lorraine

At 11:44 PM 5/16/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Someone sent a URL over the list awhile back that enabled people

>to search used books offered by a large number of resellers. I

>have searched high and low for this email, through my bookmarks,

>and even the web-- with no luck at all..

>If someone knows this URL I would GREATLY appreciate the location!

> ..cR

>--

>__________

>.........| Bohemian Ink: http://www.levity.com/corduroy

>.o..o..o.|

>.........| christopher d. ritter

>--------.| - corduroy@earthlink.net -

> ==|_| ||

>==[===] || "There is a struggle going on for the minds of

> |___| || American people. Every form of expression is

>--------.| subject to the attack of reaction. This attack

>..KRUPS..| comes in the shape of silence, persecution,

>.........| and censorship: three names for fear."

> ======== - Circle, 1948 -

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:56:04 -0500

Reply-To: race@midusa.net

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: Truth!

John Mitchell wrote:

> Now that you mention it , I kinda see myself like Jack Nicholson, more like

> the Easy Rider one in his football helmet or the 5 Easy Pieces one trying

> to order a reality sandwich from Big Waitron.

> >I'm wondering how many Jack Nicholsons there may be on this list.

> >

well i'd say that i'm a combination of Jack in The Shining and Jack in

Batman with a dash of Hoffa for good measure.

went to see Batman tripping and knew the script would have Batman win so

i got up and left when the Joker was winning and Batman was ... kaput.

TRUTH

tactical

retreat

um ...

tantalizing

humility

david rhaesa

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:11:48 -0700

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From: Malcolm Lawrence <Malcolm@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject: Svevo on Joyce

Hello all. Just received this from the James Joyce mailing list. Can anybody

help? I'd be much obliged.

Malcolm

----------

From: Sheadel@aol.com[SMTP:Sheadel@aol.com]

Sent: Saturday, May 17, 1997 2:00 PM

To: rossman@mail.utexas.edu; j-joyce@lists.utah.edu

Subject: Svevo on Joyce

I am getting ready to sell a copy of Svevo on Joyce published by City lights

Books press.

Does anyone have any ideas what this might be worth or where I could find

out?

Thanks,

Kelly Nolan

sheadel@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:22:20 -0700

Reply-To: stauffer@pacbell.net

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Re: Truth!

John Mitchell wrote:

> Now that you mention it , I kinda see myself like Jack Nicholson, more like

> the Easy Rider one in his football helmet or the 5 Easy Pieces one trying

> to order a reality sandwich from Big Waitron. But I'm not sure my

> resemblance to Jack is the Truth even as I see it. But more and more I

> find that my version of the Truth tends to be the one I most enjoy when

> feeling sorry for myself. It's nice to be a consolation to yr own elf.

> (Thanks for the plot review and that great line: "You couldn't handle the

> truth!" I remember an old white haired Presbyterian preacher in 1962

> preaching about how everybody wants to run off to seek The Truth On the

> Road of Life, who then declared: "We already know more of The Truth than

> we are willing to put into practice!" Ain't that Han-Shan--the ole timey

> Dharma Bum with the sake belly pressing against his Merry Prankster &

> Grateful Dead BeatList T-shirt? I sometimes remind myself that I already

> know more of the truth of Jack Kerouac than I am willing to put into

> practice [green tea, pork 'n' beans heated in the can, hershey bars], hence

> am not obsessed all that much about seeing additional Dead Sea Scrolls from

> and about him.) // John M.

> (James S., when you get time, please send me an electronic baloney sandwich

> from that little deli that used to be in Bolinas. Plus cheese. Or is it

> all quiche now? And one of those weird stones with the perfectly round

> holes swirled into them that you used to be able to find on the Naked Beach

> nearby.)

John,

The image of Jack in the Easy Rider Helmet works for me.

You may egg me on into a Bolinas trip. Want to see again the beach

where Welch sets "Wobbley Rock", and the deli needs to be checked out,

god knows what their doing now, quiche is probably long dead too, and

take a tour of the naked beach and stop for a few drinks in Stinson and

then try to encapsulate the view of the Zen farm in Green Gulch. I feel

myself gassing up the car already. At the Ginzy memorial Joanne Kyger

talked about making Allen a literary map of Bolinas, and how to get from

her house to Don Allen's and Armam Saroyan's, and on and Allen's joy in

planning to complete the whole Bolinas poet tour.

And the Dead Sea Scrolls fit so well with the suicidal intensity of the

Essenes. All Really Good Truths are Infinitely Malleable, say I.

James

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:09:53 -0400

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From: Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject: Gerry Nicosia

Comments: To: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@earthlink.net>

Mr. Nicosia,

I've been closely following the discussion of the Kerouac estate and

your many posts. By this time I have a perfectly clear idea of your point of

view. I don't want to burden you with anything that will look like an

attack, but I do agree with Race that the conspiratorial tone injected into

many of your posts is way overdone. You should NOT feel that you are subject

to attack on every front from those on this list with you.

We are with you, BUT I'd like to think that many of us, in the

absence of decisive facts, are also anxious to hear all fourteen sides of

the argument - both the facts and the opinions since, in fact, they can't be

disentangled. We are in the midst of a national election here in Canada and

one of the most irritating/ennervating (...if that's possible at the same

time) is the formulaic response of the candidates in any and all situations.

They have their message and they trot it out. You generally have more than

just the formulaic message about the conspiracy, but at this point I think

we get it and don't have to be beaten over the head with the conspiracy in

every post.

I remain intensely interested in learning all there is to learn

about the estate and Kerouac's background. I'm already hunting for "Memory

Babe" to read after I finish "Desolation Angels" by McNally. So please don't

be deterred by any of what I've said. Please keep as active as you've been

in educating/propagandizing us. Regarding that I posted a message this past

week looking for explanation/elaboration of the Sampas family members...who

was who and particulary who John and Jim Sampas were. If you can help there

I'd be happy to send it to you again off list.

Regarding "Memory Babe", is it truly out of print and out of stock

or will I find it with some looking....and is there one other book of that

ilk that you would recommend? I've read Charters' book and a number of

others...what do you recommend?

Antoine

Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

"An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

-- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:17:46 -0700

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: James William Marshall <iamio@MAIL.NETSHOP.NET>

Subject: Re: Truth

Truth is an ethereal entity. A platonic ideal. Doesn't exist other

than as a word. Even that's debatable. Like reality. Subjectivity is

where it's at man.

Kerouac's speech at Brandeis University, November 6, 1958; he addresses

the question "Is there a Beat Generation?": "...The question is very silly

because we should be wondering tonight: Is there a world?... Because there

is really no world... you'll find out".

James M.

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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:41:57 -0600

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From: R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

Subject: Anstee's review?

Hello Jo,

You must have the wrong Richard in regards to Anstee's review. Unless

the review is about me-stranger things have happened. I was having

coffee at Starbucks and a friend dropped by my table, saying, nice

review on you in SPR. I had know idea what he was talking about until

I picked up a copy and seen the spread. I dropped by bookzen last

night (a first time for me) and loved it! As a small publisher and

writer it made me feel real good inside to see all the wonderful books

and authors.

Richard Houff

Pariah Press

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 00:46:41 -0400

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From: corduroy <corduroy@EARTHLINK.NET>

Organization: http://www.levity.com/corduroy

Subject: RETurn of the Bohemian!

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Jeffrey Michael Richards <jmricha1@midway.uchicago.edu>,

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 04:23:01 -0000

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: LISA VEDROS <2ndbeat@TELAPEX.COM>

Subject: Promotion of Second Beat magazine

Comments: To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU.

Hi, my name is Thadeus D'Angelo and I've got something to say. I would like

to offer you a chance to get Second Beat magazine, a poetry based Beat

zine. It is very fresh and small press now, but is going through revamps as

we speak. Hopefully it will be online soon. Any questions, e-mail me at

2ndbeat@telapex.com. For subscriptions or submissions too.

Thanks,

Tadeus D'Angelo, Camelia City Books

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 16:26:49 +0200

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: Re: Truth

In-Reply-To: <199705180317.UAA26106@freya.van.hookup.net>

this white

sky blur

myself

> Truth is an ethereal entity.

> James M.

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:51:07 -0500

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject: Re: Svevo on Joyce

In-Reply-To: <01BC62ED.CCD7D7C0@sea-ts3-p28.wolfenet.com>

>Hello all. Just received this from the James Joyce mailing list. Can anybody

> help? I'd be much obliged.

>Malcolm

>----------

>From: Sheadel@aol.com[SMTP:Sheadel@aol.com]

>Sent: Saturday, May 17, 1997 2:00 PM

>To: rossman@mail.utexas.edu; j-joyce@lists.utah.edu

>Subject: Svevo on Joyce

>I am getting ready to sell a copy of Svevo on Joyce published by City lights

>Books press.

>Does anyone have any ideas what this might be worth or where I could find

>out?

>Thanks,

>Kelly Nolan

>sheadel@aol.com

I got some help not long ago from a book: The ABC of Book Collecting by (I

think) Carrter. Also, call reference at public of University library for

help. Also, call Special Collections at any university for some help.

Bottom line for things like this is the Reference Desk at any library.

j grant

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 11:25:02 -0500

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: talk dirty to me <mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>

Subject: Re: Truth

forever blunder

salvage

f o r g e t

the blue

----------

: From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

: Subject: Re: Truth

: Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 9:26 AM

: this white

: sky blur

: myself

: > Truth is an ethereal entity.

: > James M.

: >

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 10:55:01 -0600

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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject: Boston area events (fwd)

anyone interested in all this??

derek

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:32:29 -0400

From: me <me@my.com>

Newsgroups: alt.books.beatgeneration

Subject: Boston area events

The Brattle Theatre in Harvard Square will have an Allen Ginsberg and

friends" Beat Film Festival this spring starting May 20 going on every

Tuesday. Following is a schedule of films to be shown. Also please reply

if this info is actually useful to anyone or if this NG is read by

anyone who actually cares about the beat generation anymore.

Some of these are films tangentially related, and obviously missing

is "Pull my Daisy" which was recently shown at the Boston Institute

for Contemporary Art.

May

20 The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg

7:45,9:30 dir.-Jerry Aronson 1993

w/ Gins.,Burroughs,Kesey,Leary,Mailer,Baez

27 Growing up in America

4:15,7:55 dir-Morley Markson 1987

6:00,9:40 What Happened to Jack Kerouac

dir-R.Lerner L.MacAdams 1985

June

3 Paul Bowles

4:30,7:40 dir.-C.Warnow R.Weinreich 1993

5:50,9:00 Half Moon (1995)

3 Paul Bowles stories

10 Burroughs (1984)

4:00,8:00 documentary (?)

5:45,9:40 Naked Lunch (1991)

17 Lenny (1974)

4:00,7:30 about Lenny Bruce, 50s night club comic

6:10,9:40 Lenny Bruce:Performance Film (1973)

24 Who Killed Teddy Bear? (1965)

4:00,7:45 movie about 60's night life

5:50,9:30 The Beat Generation (1959)

B/W detective film

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:21:34 +0200

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: Re: Truth

In-Reply-To: <9705181529.AA10833@jane.penn.com>

a Pakistan screms in the bed!

the hearth is lost,

my god, we're u?

At 11.25 18/05/97 -0500, you wrote:

>forever blunder

>salvage

>f o r g e t

>the blue

>----------

>: From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

>: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>: Subject: Re: Truth

>: Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 9:26 AM

>: this white

>: sky blur

>: myself

>: > Truth is an ethereal entity.

>: > James M.

>: >

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:24:31 +0200

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: Re: Svevo on Joyce

In-Reply-To: <v03007801afa4c6dc0647@[156.46.45.83]>

la coscienza di zeno e' stato un libro nel quale lo

scrittore creava in talia le teorie di freud e forse

nei sogni dreams e nella scrittura dei sogni draem-writing

versus creative writing is a lot of sensoe in the middle of

an elevator that's stopped in the middle of a building...

yrs rinaldo.

* a beet *

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 10:42:04 -0700

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: James William Marshall <iamio@MAIL.NETSHOP.NET>

Subject: Re: Truth?

On a warm but scattered cloud balconey.

"What if clouds are explosions from military experiments?"

"Huh?"

"I mean, what if the government has found a way to stop time and blow stuff

up in the sky and then just start time again so it looks like the clouds

have always been there?"

"Why would they do that?"

"You know the military."

"Yeah."

"Or maybe it's some sort of alien thing."

"Like Star Trek."

"Yeah like Star Trek."

"Like a really long episode of Star Trek."

"Yeah."

"Okay. Say it is a government conspiracy and the military and / or aliens

are involved. Why do the clouds or explosions move across the sky at what

seems to be a steady pace?"

"The wind stupid."

"Okay. What if the wind is caused by some sort of giant land based or outer

space fan-like things which defy all we know about current technology?"

"I never thought of that. Okay. I've got one for you. Why is the sky blue?"

"Because that's how I feel."

"Weird. I thought it was because that's my favorite color."

"No. It's because that's how I feel."

"Oh."

"Let's go inside. I'm getting the creeps."

"You're forgetting about infra-red technology. And they could have that

shit perfected by now so they could see through walls just like looking at you."

"Yeah. Nevermind. Let's wait for sunset. I got a couple ideas about that."

James M.

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 12:56:25 -0500

Reply-To: race@midusa.net

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: Truth?

James William Marshall wrote:

> On a warm but scattered cloud balconey.

> "Huh?"

what if blow sky-just-cloud (something long) episode conspiracy cloud

explosions move wind is giant never-thought, sky blue inside, creeps

infra-red could shit perfected by see through looking Never-mind.

wait for a couple

"i get it"

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 14:19:42 -0400

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Boston area events (fwd)

In a message dated 97-05-18 13:06:27 EDT, you write:

<< Also please reply

if this info is actually useful to anyone or if this NG is read by

anyone who actually cares about the beat generation anymore. >>

Yes, we care, this is the type of information I like to see because many

times things happen in your own backyard that you don't even know about.

thanks

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 11:50:03 PDT

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Mike Pearson <digress@ELLENSBURG.COM>

Subject: Re: Truth

At 11:25 AM 5/18/97 -0500, you wrote:

>forever blunder

>salvage

>f o r g e t

>the blue

Blunders

Engineered in coofffeeee shops

Forgetting universal humanity

You babies beautiful were innocent,

now killing colors?

Then forget the Red, White and Green too.

Just see black and white, and spam.

www.ellensburg.com/~digress

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 16:14:29 -0400

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: ruth weiss

Saw ruth weiss, poet, beat, read the other day backed by a guy on bass. She

says that she was one of the innovators of reading poetry to jazz, back in

1956. (she doesn't say originators). She had a nice little workshop before

her reading where 5 of us just sat around and talked and bs'ed about the

beats, San Fran in the 50's, and motivations for writing.

Bonus question- why does ruth weiss write her name in all low caps?

answer later,

enjoy, Attile

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 15:33:43 -0600

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From: John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject: Re: Gerry Nicosia

In-Reply-To: <97May17.230954-0400_edt.586065-231+1806@skywalker.microtec.net>

Antoine--

Thanks for putting so well into words what some of us have felt without

being able to express so genuinely and respectfully.

John M.

P. S. To save virtual space in the Great Closet of Time, I am attaching an

American haiku for Rinaldo that came to me like a blinding flash of

caffeine satori in the Hard Times Cafe this morning.

The Am. Haiku

Tears

Too big

For grief

Too small

For a career

>Mr. Nicosia,

> I've been closely following the discussion of the Kerouac estate and

>your many posts. By this time I have a perfectly clear idea of your point of

>view. I don't want to burden you with anything that will look like an

>attack, but I do agree with Race that the conspiratorial tone injected into

>many of your posts is way overdone. You should NOT feel that you are subject

>to attack on every front from those on this list with you.

> We are with you, BUT I'd like to think that many of us, in the

>absence of decisive facts, are also anxious to hear all fourteen sides of

>the argument - both the facts and the opinions since, in fact, they can't be

>disentangled. We are in the midst of a national election here in Canada and

>one of the most irritating/ennervating (...if that's possible at the same

>time) is the formulaic response of the candidates in any and all situations.

>They have their message and they trot it out. You generally have more than

>just the formulaic message about the conspiracy, but at this point I think

>we get it and don't have to be beaten over the head with the conspiracy in

>every post.

> I remain intensely interested in learning all there is to learn

>about the estate and Kerouac's background. I'm already hunting for "Memory

>Babe" to read after I finish "Desolation Angels" by McNally. So please don't

>be deterred by any of what I've said. Please keep as active as you've been

>in educating/propagandizing us. Regarding that I posted a message this past

>week looking for explanation/elaboration of the Sampas family members...who

>was who and particulary who John and Jim Sampas were. If you can help there

>I'd be happy to send it to you again off list.

> Regarding "Memory Babe", is it truly out of print and out of stock

>or will I find it with some looking....and is there one other book of that

>ilk that you would recommend? I've read Charters' book and a number of

>others...what do you recommend?

> Antoine

> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

> "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

> -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 16:53:51 -0400

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From: Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject: Re: ruth weiss

Bonus question- why does ruth weiss write her name in all low caps?

Because of e.e.cummings.....

....Her shift key was broken? ...she could only afford half-height

typewriter ribbons? ...her version of Word 6.0 was a beta version and was

not caps-capable? ...she is secrtly related to derek beaulieu and marie

countryman and they were all seperated at birth?

.....her position on capital punishment? I give up!

Antoine

Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

"An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

-- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:29:20 -0400

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From: Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject: Re: Gerry Nicosia

John,

Thanks for the thanks John. By the way, I will be closely examining

the shoes in MY closet to see if I might have inadvertently bought an old

pair of Jack's....you say the defining characteristic would be that they

won't be tongue-tied? I'll get right onto it!

Antoine

Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

"An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

-- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:27:49 -0500

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From: talk dirty to me <mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>

Subject: Re: Truth

so the steering column spins

by the scanning bird

wearing a hat of fudge

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: From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

: Subject: Re: Truth

: Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 12:21 PM

: a Pakistan screms in the bed!

: the hearth is lost,

: my god, we're u?

: At 11.25 18/05/97 -0500, you wrote:

: >forever blunder

: >salvage

: >f o r g e t

: >the blue

: >

: >----------

: >: From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

: >: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

: >: Subject: Re: Truth

: >: Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 9:26 AM

: >:

: >: this white

: >: sky blur

: >: myself

: >:

: >: > Truth is an ethereal entity.

: >: > James M.

: >: >

: >

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 16:11:46 -0600

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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject: Re: ruth weiss

In-Reply-To: <970518161423_1955119747@emout02.mail.aol.com>

> Bonus question- why does ruth weiss write her name in all low caps?

simply cause capitals cost too much

same with punctuation

sale at woolworths on lower case

buy one get rest free

and caps were clear cut in 80s leaving few left

in the wild

and who wants

to use force fed and steroided caps?

freerange so much better

but rarer and harder to find

yrs

derek

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 18:21:11 -0400

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From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject: Re: ruth weiss

In-Reply-To: <970518161423_1955119747@emout02.mail.aol.com>

On Sun, 18 May 1997, Attila Gyenis wrote:

> Bonus question- why does ruth weiss write her name in all low caps?

because she wants to be like da levy? ee cummings?

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:27:50 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: something completely different ....

Robert H. Sapp wrote:

> an admirable cause no doubt, but i don't know if this is such a great

> idea. at a high school level, at least in terms of my

> for-just-few-fucking-more-weeks-will-i-havetosay-ongoing highschool

> experience, having beat lit taught in a structured school situation would

> be a disaster. though it would create more exposure, i think Beat stuff

> would be better served for "Optional" assignments rather than the core

> curriculum. i still think a lot of highschool english is prostituted

> pounding strict nonsense into the minds of the silly kiddies style of

> teaching and this might, as i see it, ruin some of the effect of, say,

> discovering On the Road when suggested by a friend youtrust.

> who knows,

> Eric

it seems that the strictures of the environment might be contradictory,

but it might be precisely why the beat lit could reach through to some

students who are alienated in the current atmosphere.

i think you're on target concerning optional readings for full length

novels, i don't think this is necessarily inconsistent with the notions

presented elsewhere for creating some form of a reader which could be

incorporated (as opposed to pushed) into the core curriculum.

it seems that the high school setting is due to get past the Eisenhower

era and incorporation of this literature would be a fitting part of such

a move.

again, it seems that such measures always depend on the quality of the

teachers and the learning atmosphere available. providing teacher's

resources seem a significant aspect of the various projects which have

been mentioned. even well-intentioned teachers may need information

which can assist them to be informed on the subject matter.

david rhaesa

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:33:25 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: something completely different ....

Michael Stutz wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 1997, Robert H. Sapp wrote:

> > i still think a lot of highschool english is prostituted

> > pounding strict nonsense into the minds of the silly kiddies style of

> > teaching and this might, as i see it, ruin some of the effect of, say,

> > discovering On the Road when suggested by a friend youtrust.

> Totally exactly. Beat stuff is still fresh -- it's still more relevant than

> older lit in certain ways for certain things, and I think teaching it in

> schools takes out the bite and maybe even misses the point. Personally I'd

> rather see an end to schools. Kids could learn more from an uninhibited

> Internet connection than they could thru obsolete teaching methods anyway.

> Now _that_ would be a Beat crusade I could get into.

i'm sympathetic to an end to compulsory schooling or a radical

alteration in the stricture of the system's structures. my sympathy is

primarily at a cerebral level. such notions have been discussed

intelligently since the late 1960s and the school buildings are still

there with the students trapped within.

it seems that practical improvement in the curriculum of our schools is

a useful measure until such a day as the schools vanish from the face of

the earth.

does beat literature "belong" in schools? i think that it is something

which students should be allowed to access and be exposed to. it would

probably "belong" to the hearts and minds of the students more than the

walls of the school buildings themselves.

the internet is a wonderful resource and could be a means for

supplementing exposure to beat literature through the schools.

unfortunately, access to the internet is far from universal. while it

is an unrelated and unbeat thread, i sometimes wonder if the information

age will create greater divisions of class of infotech haves and

havenots than have existed in our country for some time.

david rhaesa

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:41:04 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: something completely different .... -Reply

MARK NIGON wrote:

> Eric,

> Good point, but I don't think an early exposure to the Beats is going to

> turn young students off. Some students are going to love it and others

> will read it like they read the back of a cereal box and say, "Yeah, so

> what?" I don't think having OTR suggested by a trusted friend

> guarantees the reader will like it either. I've suggested Beat pieces

> to friends and they come back with, "While I like it, it just didn't do

> anything for me." I for one would have loved being introduced to Beat

> Gen writers as a HS student. Now that I think about it, maybe you're

> onto something with the "Optional assignment" route. But then again my

> opinions on this subject were formed because I had instructors that took

> an active part in my education and opened my mind (and left it open)

> rather than fill it with "strict nonsense" and blather.

> Crunching numbers when I'd rather be writing.

> -Mark

> MARK_NIGON@MAIL.CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM

i am glad to see your interest in the high school beat literature

notions. the several voices have made it clear to me that "pushing" On

the Road, for example, would be counterproductive. The optionals

approach might be a better path. i don't think these are inconsistent

with other suggestions of the creation of some form of beat-sampler.

i attended a somewhat experimental 1970ish high school that leaped from

totalitarian notions to anarchic ones. one english course provided

significant freedom in the choice of novels (the quantity was measured

strictly). this might fit the optional notion you mention.

trusted friends are not always exposed to beat literature either. in my

case, i believe i was in my mid-20s before someone slipped me On the

Road. the suggestions i'm hinting toward (no longer pushing) are more

an attempt to provide exposures to these wonders. i imagine that the

full breadth and depth of the wonders will still be passed along from

friend to friend. just hoping that more friends are in the beatific

loop.

david rhaesa

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:57:58 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: something completely different .... -Reply

s.a. griffin wrote:

> >

by the by, I have in my little circle of things

> here in L.A. met quite a few younger folks (high school age) that consume it

> all and we older types do all that we can to educate them as well as they

> educate us. this is most desirable of all.

> xxxooo

> s.a.

let me know when you run for political office and i'll help in the

ballot box stuffing. this notion at the end of your post sounds

meaningful. it seems that we can all learn from ideas from young people

and their perspectives on all things beat and otherwise.

the informal setting is a wonderful element. it eliminates many of the

anti-school feelings discussed elsewhere.

but, it seems that the schools are another place where we are exposed

and that sometimes good teachers and interested students connect in

english classes and elsewhere. it doesn't seem that the interested

students need wait to mid-20s to be exposed to the beat-thing.

part of this idea to me was how well the notions of writing as a

spontaneous exercise and that writing can be about everyday life is

something that caught on to some degree in some college teaching

circles. i don't know whether it has slid to the high school

environment yet. the beat-lit components in a curriculum could dovetail

well with notions of free and spontaneous writing approaches.

i had hoped to sit down and type systematically for a period of time and

slip through a significant number of the notions that had been posted on

this thread.

i must admit i was pleasantly surprised by the initial interest and have

felt somewhat that i have dropped the ball in not keeping my promise to

continue the unending conversation of such matters.

so i sat down with all intentions directed to serious-thought and to

writing concerning post after post after post

and now

after just a few i fear

my brain

has slipped out of anything akin to systematic

typing

and that i can only

thank y'all for the shocking level

initial interest

and hope

for continued interest in these notions

and the ones which

jumped from them

which i cannot call mine at all.

the beat reader idea seems

a rather nice one

though

ambitious beyond my means

i admit

to a few rather

nice brain farts on the matter

in the past week

but nothing near

a Eureka.

it is muggy in Kansas - hope all is well where y'all are reading this.

david rhaesa

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 18:09:24 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: school and literature...

andrew szymczyk wrote:

> as a side note, we were made to watch a film

> strip on walt whitman a little earlier in the year. the film

> started going off on whom whitman has influenced

> throughout the years, and as a picture of kerouac

> surfaced on the screen i threw my hands up in joy. i

> really don't think that anyone else in the class knew

> what i was so happy about, but i suppose that that's

> their loss.

> andrew

i thought that this anecdote about kerouac-the-obscure for your class

during the whitman filmstrip was sad.

three cheers to your teacher !!!

david rhaesa

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:07:42 -0700

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Re: ruth weiss

Attila Gyenis wrote:

> Bonus question- why does ruth weiss write her name in all low caps?

> answer later,

> enjoy, Attile

There was, of course, ee cummings.

Did she read that poem where "the Beat" occurs so often you think you

might throw up if you hear it one more time?

James

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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:25:25 -0400

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From: Jonny Coop <Mcb93940@AOL.COM>

Subject: Buke Poem

There's a guy I met in San Diego a while back named Chuck Perrin who has a

group he calls The Holy Barbarians and they made a terrifc CD called

Beat.itude. Last cut is called "it ain't over yet" (for Jack Kerouac). Some

of the lines are:

Mad to live and mad to talk

Full speed without regret

We got to get it all

Cause it ain't over yet

and later

October twenty-first

Nineteen sixty-nine

It was the Diz's birthday

An irony sublime

You gave us one last lesson

In spontaneity

Livin hard and dyin young

Blowing cool and free

They said "This is how the ride ends"

But I wouldn't take that bet

You may be gone Jack

But the ride ain't over yet

If you like Jazz and love Kerouac (and I know you do) you might want to pick

this up. As far as I'm aware it never got any major distribution because

Chuck has his own small label. The packaging is gorgeous and we're trying to

promote it so are offering it at a special price - $14.98. It's not on our

web-site yet so if you're interested e-mail me at jerry@kerouac.com or call

1-800-KER-OUAC.

Jerry Cimino

Fog City Facts & Fiction

www.kerouac.com

1-800-KER-OUAC

Here's Chuck's latest poem on Buke...

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Date: 97-05-13 12:34:27 EDT

CHINASKI

The streetlight glared at the dirty sidewalk

Dried-out puke on the curb

Air conditioners spit from fourth floor window ledges

Down ancient chipped grafitti-covered brick, caked with grime

Smell of piss round the corner in the alley

Mixed with scents of stale smoke, flat beer

And sour grease-coated garbage cans

Nestled in the glass of broken liquor bottles

And cigarette butts, crushed cardboard boxes

First, I saw the tip of his lit snipe

He was sitting on an old ratty corn-colored couch cushion

Propped up against the side of a dumpster

And as soon as he saw me notice him

He farted

And I laughed

"Hey, Hank . . .

Where the fuck you been, man?"

1997 Chuck Perrin

All