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Date:         Tue, 20 May 1997 20:52:44 -0600

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From:         "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject:      fudge wont budge pts.1 thru 5 (last word? egad??)

In-Reply-To:  <199705210156.SAA10274@calvin.usc.edu>

 

                PART ONE

              so the steering column spins

           twisting the wheels spitting the spray splash from the streets

         one hand on the wheel and the bottle, windows fogged with

           half conscious woman yelping

        " i'm scanning for the bird wearing a hat of fudge" in a slur of

                        words&booze

                    "pack it sez the bird

                       but the fudge

                 won't budge," she laughs to herself;

                being quite comfortable with the flock

                       " a Pakistan screams in the bed!" she yells as if an

                                                        illumnination

          : the hearth is lost,

             : my god, we're u?

                    w/the f.o.'s singing

                                       god is

                                      never quite

                                        dead but gives the most

                      delicious head however at the moment

                            -  just sleeping, snoring and

        schleping

                forever blunder(ing) with the cocktails and napkins at the bar

                ogling the waitress, pushing himself onto the women next to him,

 harrassing

        the bartender,

                salvaging

                f o r g e t.me nots

        for his lapel

                the blue music of a past life comes up on the juke box

               : a massage then a deeper massage :

         "don't f o r g e t.to put out the cat" the court jester

                moans absentmindedly, as the

bed vibrates

magic

        fingers up & down the spine

                         "this white

                         sky     blur

                         myself"

                             Truth is an unconscious entity.

         but arent we all mad?

Frank Sinatra as god the spent rock star sleeping w/head resting

 on the

 bar,

 hands limply at sides, mouth open

         having been

        passed

                out

 since the rise of plastic somewhere in Massachusetts

                    ghosts of Dean & Sammy order out for

                           pizza

                      the check's in the mail.

 

                        PART TWO

                         tired of watching Hee Haw reruns on the cable t.v.

                Elvis shoots the television with his hunk of burning love gun

 The King has been to see his main man Dr. Nick Feelgood

                                   Big E feels him up good & tall &

small at the same time

 as he

                            unhitches his lip from the side of head

                        and his belt from the GRACELAND buckle

                                 & whispers love me tender to the weeping

 willow trees

                                   swinging softly in the Memphis breeze

                               he kisses the toes of sweet Mercy Gotlegs

                                   in the back seat of the his titty pink

                                         '57 Eldorado where

        stephen hawking's big bang theories are

                                      practiced but never preached

 

 

                         the Colonel busy frying

                                dancing dixie chickens who failed to make the

 grade - no grade A eggs round here no sir - we only like the best he

laffs and grabs at the titts next to him

                          does a bong hit of some kickass two hit wonder weed

                            from way out west California way

                              he passes it on to slick Tricky Dick Nixon who

                 inhales

                          the beauty of everything deeply as the sky runs for

 president. nixon pacing and yells at the king "THE LEAST THE PRESIDENT

SHOULD KNOW HOW TO DO IS

                        SUCK

                                &

                                        INHALE,

 GODDAMMITALL!"

 

 

                                PART THREE

 

                        the music begins & they take the stage

                                                once again.

            once again

   elvis has left the building,

           hounded

   "you aint nuthin but-a"

     holy elvis speaks to me "singing words of wisdom"

    virginia woolf hands me  the selfsame rock

            still dripping from the thames..       the blood of richard

nixon & emily dickonson - both

                enshrined in thier rooms. watching with raven eyes thru

the drapes.

 

        -but for once the rain stops

           because altho'

  i have rust under my fingernails,

  "elvis is rapidly running out of buildings" mumbles nixon to sinatra

under his ginbreath,

  "the checks don't even bounce very high, and i can no longer tell

whether I am overweight

          or otherwise

            because despite

        battleship's rent due"

  peeling carapace from crick neck staring at

  high tide marks

  last rabid dog of an old city

 

              because despite : we have been around

        been about to hear the right stories

          the right people ; electric current from

            my brain to yrs.

          faraway lights.

          we have at least learned mythology.

 

                        PART FOUR

 

          so nothing new, just prosaic :

          I'll meet you in the botanical gardens,

         and it'll be just the same as always ;

        what is more, if it's not

we have at least learned how to pretend.

                                        and run for cover.

 

      and we pretend this mythology

     through every backward

    county road

   and dust-bowl picnic ground

  on the map

 from Laos to the shores of Maine

and the rain is the

        same everywhere

 whether pretense or not ...

                         it is WET !

 

                                PART FIVE

 

  it's harder to pretend things contrary

  to the Evidence

  (backed up with several thou' years)

   - but then i'm with a true deceptive talent...

 

  ... & i'm back with Sinatra & steering columns,

                      spray splash waitress white blur

                      hearth dust bowl check stage mail

 

 

                                   a dead man marking time...

 

 

         salvage ; may as well pick flowers out of the split kerb

                   there's no choice to be made it's

                   a spent coin over a crossed line. (count yr change

                                        after the plans been hatched)

 

                 hey man,

                     I ain't gonna lie

                   I need money for a beer

 

 

                      who you gotta fuck to get outta here?

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Date:         Tue, 20 May 1997 20:09:35 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Truth OTR

 

Attila Gyenis wrote:

>

> THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH.

> But the truth may be that there is more then one truth.

> Unless the truth is that there is only one truth.

>

> non-believer of truth unless it's true

> Attila

 

And I would further contend that all truth is infinitly mallable and

will be a different truth tomorrow.

 

Except maybe that nice people swallow--that one stays constant.

 

James Stauffer

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Date:         Tue, 20 May 1997 23:26:54 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: fudge won't budge-Haiku

 

The fudge

Won't budge

Try exlax

 

 

 

(sorry I couldn't resist)

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Date:         Tue, 20 May 1997 20:36:35 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: A Found Poem

 

At 08:51 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-05-15 11:53:58 EDT, Gerry wrote:

>

>> I'm out for money and power, I'm a glory

>>hunter, I'm too cheap to donate to a good cause, I'm a "nut," etc.

>

>A "found poem" and, incidentally, a pretty darn good summary I think.

>Well done, Gerry.

>

 

Hey Rod,  how many more Kerouac letters did Sampas sell you for putting up

shit like this?

 

P.S.  When are you gonna resell your Kerouac letters to the New York Public

Library, since we keep hearing how everything gets resold there?  Let's see,

I recall sitting at your kitchen table and reading a Kerouac letter to G.J.

Apostolos, another to John Clellon Holmes, wasn't there one to Cassady too?

        What about those Polaroids of Johnny Depp with John Sampas?  I'll

look for those next time I'm in New York.

 

Best, Gerry

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 00:01:53 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: A Found Poem

 

At 08:36 PM 5/20/97 -0700, you wrote:

>At 08:51 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>In a message dated 97-05-15 11:53:58 EDT, Gerry wrote:

>>

>>> I'm out for money and power, I'm a glory

>>>hunter, I'm too cheap to donate to a good cause, I'm a "nut," etc.

>>

>>A "found poem" and, incidentally, a pretty darn good summary I think.

>>Well done, Gerry.

>>

>

>Hey Rod,  how many more Kerouac letters did Sampas sell you for putting up

>shit like this?

>

>P.S.  When are you gonna resell your Kerouac letters to the New York Public

>Library, since we keep hearing how everything gets resold there?  Let's see,

>I recall sitting at your kitchen table and reading a Kerouac letter to G.J.

>Apostolos, another to John Clellon Holmes, wasn't there one to Cassady too?

>        What about those Polaroids of Johnny Depp with John Sampas?  I'll

>look for those next time I'm in New York.

>

>Best, Gerry

>

>Lighten up Gerry it was just a joke for Christ sake. We were laughing with

you. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 00:04:23 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: Where is Gerry Nicosia?

 

At 04:50 PM 5/20/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Where is Gerry Nicosia??  I noticed a couple of beat-ls have baited him a

>little, but no reply.  This guy can't be gone.  Wheather he was right or

>wrong, he got us fired up..people were name calling, demeaning, caring,

>hateful,inspiring, thoughtful, asinine, pouring their hearts out, speaking

>in tongues.  I mean, this guy made people go nuts.  Gerry, we need a little

>spark here.

>

>Does that mean what he has is catchy?

Here comes the snap, crackle and pop too...

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Date:         Tue, 20 May 1997 23:51:53 -0600

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From:         John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject:      Re: fudge won't budge-Haiku

In-Reply-To:  <2.2.32.19970521032654.00698900@pop.tiac.net>

 

>The fudge

>Won't budge

>Try exlax

>

>

>

>(sorry I couldn't resist)

 

Resistance is golden

When IT

Comes to crud

 

(sorry, I've got to run)

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Date:         Tue, 20 May 1997 21:58:35 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: A Found Poem

 

At 12:01 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

>At 08:36 PM 5/20/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>At 08:51 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>>In a message dated 97-05-15 11:53:58 EDT, Gerry wrote:

>>>

>>>> I'm out for money and power, I'm a glory

>>>>hunter, I'm too cheap to donate to a good cause, I'm a "nut," etc.

>>>

>>>A "found poem" and, incidentally, a pretty darn good summary I think.

>>>Well done, Gerry.

>>>

>>

>>Hey Rod,  how many more Kerouac letters did Sampas sell you for putting up

>>shit like this?

>>

>>P.S.  When are you gonna resell your Kerouac letters to the New York Public

>>Library, since we keep hearing how everything gets resold there?  Let's see,

>>I recall sitting at your kitchen table and reading a Kerouac letter to G.J.

>>Apostolos, another to John Clellon Holmes, wasn't there one to Cassady too?

>>        What about those Polaroids of Johnny Depp with John Sampas?  I'll

>>look for those next time I'm in New York.

>>

>>Best, Gerry

>>

>>Lighten up Gerry it was just a joke for Christ sake. We were laughing with

>you. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

>

>

Dear Phil,     May 20, 1997

 

        You and Anstee should both go far--and the sooner you start, the better.

 

        HAHAHAHAHA!

        Gerry

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 04:50:00 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      test - checking reply to line

 

tried to fix what some folks suggested caused the backchannels.  gonna

see how i do.  since i don't get a copy can someone let me know if the

separate reply-to address has been effectively eliminated

 

thanks,

david rhaesa

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 08:37:15 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: test - checking reply to line

 

At 04:50 AM 5/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

>tried to fix what some folks suggested caused the backchannels.  gonna

>see how i do.  since i don't get a copy can someone let me know if the

>separate reply-to address has been effectively eliminated

>

>thanks,

>david rhaesa

>

>Dave, if you send the message SET BEAT-L REPRO in the body of a message to

the address  LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU you will be sent a copy of your own

messages. Occasionally this shuts off and you may have to reset it. It's the

best way to know if your messages are being distributed. Phil

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 07:43:38 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: test - checking reply to line

 

Phil Chaput wrote:

>

> At 04:50 AM 5/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

> >tried to fix what some folks suggested caused the backchannels.  gonna

> >see how i do.  since i don't get a copy can someone let me know if the

> >separate reply-to address has been effectively eliminated

> >

> >thanks,

> >david rhaesa

> >

> >Dave, if you send the message SET BEAT-L REPRO in the body of a message to

> the address  LISTSERV@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU you will be sent a copy of your own

> messages. Occasionally this shuts off and you may have to reset it. It's the

> best way to know if your messages are being distributed. Phil

 

thanks.  i know that my messages are being sent.  i'll probably do what

you've suggested.  the difficulty is that my e-mail address is appearing

in the From line and the Reply-to line.  at least that was the case

according to a couple of folks last night.  i tried to fix that it my

mail configuration and wondered if i had succeeded.  it appears from

your reply that the experiment was a success.  thanks.

 

david rhaesa

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 08:41:00 -0400

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From:         "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cassady Question....

In-Reply-To:  <19970520.103504.20870.0.dean_palmer@juno.com>

 

On Tue, 20 May 1997, Dean M. Palmer wrote:

 

> I have "Holy Goof"and "Off The Road"...What other good Cassady

> Biographies are there?

Dean:

Charles Plymell's "Last of the Moccasins" (LOM) has much factual detail

about Neal Cassady during the time after Neal moved away from Los Gatos and

Carolyn Cassady. These events described in LOM take place while Neal

hung around with Anne Murphy, Charles Plymell, Allen Ginsberg, etc. on

Gough St in S.F. LOM contains abundant Neal Cassady biographical data not

found in any other source. Also try "Spit in the Ocean" No. 6. Both these

texts seem necessary to any thorough Neal Cassady study, once you've read

Carolyn Cassady's "Off the Road," of course.

-Michael L. Buchenroth

 

Michael L. Buchenroth

mike@buchenroth.com

www.buchenroth.com

To view

Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine

go to

www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 08:57:24 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: fudge wont budge pts.1 thru 5 (last word? egad??)

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.A32.3.93.970520202722.48962B-100000@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

 

raindogs and nighthawks

applaud.

mc

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 09:29:59 -0400

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From:         "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services"

              <PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>

Subject:      Nice people swallow..

 

Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

 

Paul

????

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Attila Gyenis wrote:

>

> THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH.

> But the truth may be that there is more then one truth.

> Unless the truth is that there is only one truth.

>

> non-believer of truth unless it's true

> Attila

 

And I would further contend that all truth is infinitly mallable and

will be a different truth tomorrow.

 

Except maybe that nice people swallow--that one stays constant.

 

James Stauffer

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 09:41:08 -0400

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From:         "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services"

              <PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>

Subject:      Re: fudge wont budge pts.1 thru 5 (last word? egad??)

 

INFREQUENT PASSAGE

 

          "Writing a poem is like taking a hot beer shit..."

 

                                ---Charles Bukowski

 

Seven years sober

Seventy-seven deadend relationships

To be discarded

Or better yet

Excreted

Thanks to a Higher Powered Laxative

 

Blown out the ass

Of codependency and addiction

Thanks to a high fiber program

Prescribed by Bill Wilson, Alice Miller and John Bradshaw

Trusting the Process

Releasing the Past, and

Surrendering

To the Absolute Colonic Dharma

Of Consciousness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paul McDonald (c) 1993

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 09:47:51 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: fudge wont budge pts.1 thru 5 (last word? egad??)

 

At 09:41 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

>INFREQUENT PASSAGE

>

>          "Writing a poem is like taking a hot beer shit..."

>

>                                ---Charles Bukowski

>

>Seven years sober

>Seventy-seven deadend relationships

>To be discarded

>Or better yet

>Excreted

>Thanks to a Higher Powered Laxative

>

>Blown out the ass

>Of codependency and addiction

>Thanks to a high fiber program

>Prescribed by Bill Wilson, Alice Miller and John Bradshaw

>Trusting the Process

>Releasing the Past, and

>Surrendering

>To the Absolute Colonic Dharma

>Of Consciousness

>

>Paul McDonald (c) 1993

 

 

Yahoo! Bravo! (while doin' the wave)

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 09:10:12 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow..

 

Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services wrote:

>

> Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

>

> Paul

> ????

>

It is simple.

 

Premise #1  Swallowing is a basic biological process.

Premise #2  Nice People swallow

Therefore   Niceness is a basic biological process for people.

 

the same thinking applies somewhat to other notions such as "inhaling"!!

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 07:49:01 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow..

 

RACE --- wrote:

>

> Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services wrote:

> >

> > Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

> >

> > Paul

> > ????

> >

> It is simple.

>

> Premise #1  Swallowing is a basic biological process.

> Premise #2  Nice People swallow

> Therefore   Niceness is a basic biological process for people.

>

> the same thinking applies somewhat to other notions such as "inhaling"!!

 

David,

 

I like this logic.  "Nice people do" works for me.  They certainly

inhale.  This suggests logical problems for mc's "mean people suck"

since sucking is also basic biological behavior and therefore nice?

 

J Stauffer

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 11:00:44 -0400

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From:         Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Conspiracies -- you gotta love em!

 

Hi, Gerry. Why would I sell these two letters (count 'em,  TWO letters) that

I bought from the Estate, 6 years ago now!? They are warm and dry, I can

assure you. Anyone who's interested can come on up and look at them, if they

call ahead. In the meantime they seem to irritate you & jogrant so much --

heck, they're worth every penny!

Besides, Gerry, I'm practically choking on cash here just at the moment,

 after just sealing a deal to sell my "Nicosia Correspondence Archive" to

some anonymous "collector" in Lowell. He said he'd heard about it in one of

your posts to the Beat-List. The guy seemed desperate, I can tell you, in the

end offering several times what you scared up for your entire MEMORY BABE

archive back in 1987. I was pretty surprised -- who says Lowell doesn't

celebrate Kerouac! Greek vacation, here I come. Where's my sunblock,....

CHEERS, Rod

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 09:21:58 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Conspiracies -- you gotta love em!

 

At 11:00 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi, Gerry. Why would I sell these two letters (count 'em,  TWO letters) that

>I bought from the Estate, 6 years ago now!? They are warm and dry, I can

>assure you. Anyone who's interested can come on up and look at them, if they

>call ahead. In the meantime they seem to irritate you & jogrant so much --

>heck, they're worth every penny!

>Besides, Gerry, I'm practically choking on cash here just at the moment,

> after just sealing a deal to sell my "Nicosia Correspondence Archive" to

>some anonymous "collector" in Lowell. He said he'd heard about it in one of

>your posts to the Beat-List. The guy seemed desperate, I can tell you, in the

>end offering several times what you scared up for your entire MEMORY BABE

>archive back in 1987. I was pretty surprised -- who says Lowell doesn't

>celebrate Kerouac! Greek vacation, here I come. Where's my sunblock,....

>CHEERS, Rod

>

 

Dear Rod,      May 21, 1997

 

        OKAY, keep your Kerouac letters.  They were the least of my worry

anyhow.

        I have spent three weeks trying to get some real answers about how

much of the KEROUAC ARCHIVE JOHN SAMPAS HAS LEFT, AND WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO

WITH IT, AND WHEN.   Instead, I just keep getting more personal attacks from

you and Chaput.

        Your attacks on me even predated my coming on to the Beat-List; in

fact, they were a major cause of my appearance here, in order to set the

record straight.

        I have been asking for you and Chaput to substantiate some of your

claims (the way I have substantiated mine against John Sampas, with specific

examples of what he has done to control Kerouac scholarship).  Where are

your examples, to prove that I am greedy, power-mad, crazy, manipulative,

whatever?  Other than that I haven't donated to Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

(See post later today from Brad Parker about the ethical lapses of LCK!)

        It seems to me if anyone has been propounding a conspiracy theory,

IT'S YOU AND CHAPUT.  Everything I'm doing--and the work of all my supposed

cohorts, like Grant and Parker--is supposed to have been geared toward my

gaining control of, and money from, the Kerouac Archive.

        But if I am so greedy and power-mad, why didn't I:

        1) ask Jan for money from the beginning?

        2) keep a substantial portion of the benefit money for myself (we

brought in over twenty thousand dollars gross, and I kept $300 as my salary

for 6 months solid work)?

        3) get Jan to include me as a beneficiary in her will?

        The biggest question, of course, IS HOW DID I KNOW SHE WAS GOING TO

DIE IN JUNE, THREE MONTHS BEFORE HER CASE WAS GOING TO TRIAL?  How do you

plan the death of someone on kidney dialysis, when they can live from one

month to fifteen years?  AND IF JAN HAD TAKEN THE CASE TO TRIAL HERSELF,

WHAT GAIN WOULD I HAVE HAD THEN?  DID I PUT IN YEARS OF WORK AT HER SIDE

JUST ON THE CHANCE THAT SHE'D DIE BEFORE THE CASE CAME TO TRIAL, SO THAT I

COULD TAKE OVER???

        That's a more farfetched conspiracy theory than even Oliver Stone is

capable of.

        Well, suppose it is true that I gambled on Jan dying before the

trial.  SHOW ME HOW I AM GOING TO GET RICH OR HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OF

KEROUAC SCHOLARSHIP, even if we win Jan's lawsuit.  Even should we win, and

should I remain fully-empowered literary executor, I will still have to deal

with John Sampas (1/3 owner), Paul Blake, Jr. (1/3 owner), and, quite

possibly, Jan's heirs--depending on how the court construes the final

authority.  I'm sure as hell going to have to compromise to make things

work, and I'm ready to compromise.  But where is Mr. Sampas?  Is he offering

to compromise at all?

        I haven't seen Mr. Sampas budge one inch, and yet you guys never

bother showering him with the barbs you shower on me.

        Imagine for a minute, Rod, someone making endless charges about your

character--claiming to all the world that you are corrupt thru and thru, and

yet they give not one real example to prove this alleged corruption.

WOULDN'T YOU BE A LITTLE TICKED OFF???

        Again, I rest my case.

        Adios, old friend,

        Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 10:11:03 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Brad Parker Speaks

 

To members of the Beat-List,          May 21, 1997

 

        Mr. Brad Parker lives in Chelmsford, Massachusetts.  He created the

Lowell Corporation for the Humanities over ten years ago.  He has used this

group to stage events celebrating many of the important folk who lived in or

passed thru Lowell, such as Edgar Allen Poe and Betty Davis, as well as Jack

Kerouac.  He is also an author of some distinction, having written a fine

introductory book on Kerouac, as well as highly praised monographs on Poe

and other historical figures.

        Recently, Mr. Parker learned of certain denials made by Phil Chaput

that there was ever any trouble between the Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

committee and the National Park Service.  Mr. Parker asked me to post his

memory of these events on the Beat-List.

        The following statement was made by Brad Parker on May 16, 1997:

 

        "Enclosed is some information concerning the events surrounding the

celebration of Jack Kerouac in Lowell, 1988-1996, and--especially--facts

concerning myself and the Kerouac Committee (now called 'Lowell Celebrates

Kerouac!').

        "For years, the group in Lowell that thought of itself as the

'official' Kerouac group was getting Federal aid through the Lowell Historic

Preservation Commission, and, more recently, through their connection with

the Lowell National Historic Park.  Now, they can no longer receive

assistance from the Preservation Commission, which went out of business, nor

are they any longer cosponsored by the National Park.

        "The person most responsible for the termination of the official

relationship between the Kerouac Committee and the National Park is

myself--Brad Parker, founder of the Lowell Corporation For The Humanities,

Inc.  The whole process (discussion-conflict) that led eventually to the

termination of the relationship between the Kerouacians and the Nat. Park

started in 1995 when I wrote to (and subsequently met with) the Supt. of the

National Park, Richard Rambur.  Basically, I had two complaints

(requests)--that the Kerouac events sponsored by my organization be included

in any printed programs or publicity that might be issued by either the Nat.

Park or the Kerouac Committee, and that my organization also receive federal

assistance through the Nat. Park if such were being granted to other people

doing Kerouac programs in Lowell.  [My corporation was largely responsible

for arranging the scholarly forum on Kerouac's Lowell books in 1988, and I

am the author of a book on Kerouac that has been used with students at

several universities.]

        "After my initial requests, I found that there was great resistance

from the Kerouac Group, and the Nat. Park was suggesting that I had to join

the Kerouac Group in order to be included in the 'offical' cosponsored

events.  Later, after further agitation on my part, including letters to

Washington, I received a letter from Sandy Walter (Oct., 1995)--formerly the

Supt. of the Nat. Park in Lowell--stating that the Nat. Park "does indeed

support the work of your organization and further supports your right to

request either co-sponsorship of the Festival and/or have

Corporation-sponsored events included in the Festival schedule."  Such never

happened, and I have always assumed that it was largely resistance from a

few of the Kerouac leaders in Lowell who were unwilling to act in an

inclusive, mature, sophisticated, and professional manner.  I believe that

there was conflict over this matter and that the Park and the Kerouac Group

could not resolve the issue.

        "I finally received a letter from Richard Rambur, the Supt. of the

Lowell Nat. Park, stating that the relationship between the Park and Lowell

Celebrates Kerouac! had been 'officially terminated' by 'mutual consent' as

of the end of February, 1996.  Additionally, I was told by someone who has

connections with both groups that there were certain deprecatory remarks

made about Mr. Rambur at one of the Kerouac Group's meetings, and that those

remarks made their way back to Supt. Rambur.

        "There is, as you know, much more that can be said about these

matters, but I shall end here with just another sentence or two.  I brought

Jan Kerouac to Lowell twice--she was never invited by the 'official' Kerouac

Group, even when the memorial to her father was to be dedicated.  And, as I

have told a number of people, I was the target of verbal intimidation by one

of the main Kerouacians in Lowell, and also have been the target of some

verbal assault by another of that same group.  I issued a formal comlaint

about the above to The Preservation Commission in 1994 and never have

received a complete answer!

        "All for the moment.  Please feel free to share this letter with

anyone who might wish to know of the above events relating to Lowell and

Kerouac.

        "Best Regards -- Brad Parker (historian and writer)"

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 12:25:41 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Brad Parker Speaks

 

Gerald Nicosia wrote:

>

> To members of the Beat-List,          May 21, 1997

>

>         Mr. Brad Parker lives in Chelmsford, Massachusetts.  He created the

> Lowell Corporation for the Humanities over ten years ago.  He has used this

> group to stage events celebrating many of the important folk who lived in or

> passed thru Lowell, such as Edgar Allen Poe and Betty Davis, as well as Jack

> Kerouac.  He is also an author of some distinction, having written a fine

> introductory book on Kerouac, as well as highly praised monographs on Poe

> and other historical figures.

>         Recently, Mr. Parker learned of certain denials made by Phil Chaput

> that there was ever any trouble between the Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

> committee and the National Park Service.  Mr. Parker asked me to post his

> memory of these events on the Beat-List.

>         The following statement was made by Brad Parker on May 16, 1997:

>

>         "Enclosed is some information concerning the events surrounding the

> celebration of Jack Kerouac in Lowell, 1988-1996, and--especially--facts

> concerning myself and the Kerouac Committee (now called 'Lowell Celebrates

> Kerouac!').

>         "For years, the group in Lowell that thought of itself as the

> 'official' Kerouac group was getting Federal aid through the Lowell Historic

> Preservation Commission, and, more recently, through their connection with

> the Lowell National Historic Park.  Now, they can no longer receive

> assistance from the Preservation Commission, which went out of business, nor

> are they any longer cosponsored by the National Park.

>         "The person most responsible for the termination of the official

> relationship between the Kerouac Committee and the National Park is

> myself--Brad Parker, founder of the Lowell Corporation For The Humanities,

> Inc.  The whole process (discussion-conflict) that led eventually to the

> termination of the relationship between the Kerouacians and the Nat. Park

> started in 1995 when I wrote to (and subsequently met with) the Supt. of the

> National Park, Richard Rambur.  Basically, I had two complaints

> (requests)--that the Kerouac events sponsored by my organization be included

> in any printed programs or publicity that might be issued by either the Nat.

> Park or the Kerouac Committee, and that my organization also receive federal

> assistance through the Nat. Park if such were being granted to other people

> doing Kerouac programs in Lowell.  [My corporation was largely responsible

> for arranging the scholarly forum on Kerouac's Lowell books in 1988, and I

> am the author of a book on Kerouac that has been used with students at

> several universities.]

>         "After my initial requests, I found that there was great resistance

> from the Kerouac Group, and the Nat. Park was suggesting that I had to join

> the Kerouac Group in order to be included in the 'offical' cosponsored

> events.  Later, after further agitation on my part, including letters to

> Washington, I received a letter from Sandy Walter (Oct., 1995)--formerly the

> Supt. of the Nat. Park in Lowell--stating that the Nat. Park "does indeed

> support the work of your organization and further supports your right to

> request either co-sponsorship of the Festival and/or have

> Corporation-sponsored events included in the Festival schedule."  Such never

> happened, and I have always assumed that it was largely resistance from a

> few of the Kerouac leaders in Lowell who were unwilling to act in an

> inclusive, mature, sophisticated, and professional manner.  I believe that

> there was conflict over this matter and that the Park and the Kerouac Group

> could not resolve the issue.

>         "I finally received a letter from Richard Rambur, the Supt. of the

> Lowell Nat. Park, stating that the relationship between the Park and Lowell

> Celebrates Kerouac! had been 'officially terminated' by 'mutual consent' as

> of the end of February, 1996.  Additionally, I was told by someone who has

> connections with both groups that there were certain deprecatory remarks

> made about Mr. Rambur at one of the Kerouac Group's meetings, and that those

> remarks made their way back to Supt. Rambur.

>         "There is, as you know, much more that can be said about these

> matters, but I shall end here with just another sentence or two.  I brought

> Jan Kerouac to Lowell twice--she was never invited by the 'official' Kerouac

> Group, even when the memorial to her father was to be dedicated.  And, as I

> have told a number of people, I was the target of verbal intimidation by one

> of the main Kerouacians in Lowell, and also have been the target of some

> verbal assault by another of that same group.  I issued a formal comlaint

> about the above to The Preservation Commission in 1994 and never have

> received a complete answer!

>         "All for the moment.  Please feel free to share this letter with

> anyone who might wish to know of the above events relating to Lowell and

> Kerouac.

>         "Best Regards -- Brad Parker (historian and writer)"

 

patricia typed

cool, nice tone, very informative,

i appreciate the meat sans bile, easier to digest.

p

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 11:48:18 +0000

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From:         David Ohle <davo@CJNETWORKS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Brad Parker Speaks

 

Patricia: I'm lurking again on Beat-L. Must have missed all the recent

controversies. What's happening?

 

David Ohle

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 19:39:40 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      john cage-haiku #2 (what is happened to me?)

 

        .,-\H   a

        ,.i,\k..u

        mahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

        KKK

        zen

        Oooh, questo non lo sopporto!this doesn't bear it

        bum!

        KKK

                zen

        ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

        ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

        WHEN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD IS FAST ASLEEP

 

        Brrrrrrrrrrr!

 

        brrr

        KKK

        Dostoevskij     KKK     bum!    MUNCH   bum!    KKK     Wu!

 

        favelle favelle favelle

        KKK             KKK             KKK

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 18:51:40 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: A Found Poem

In-Reply-To:  <199705210458.VAA14948@italy.it.earthlink.net>

 

>Dear Phil,     May 20, 1997

>

>        You and Anstee should both go far--and the sooner you start, the

better.

>

>        HAHAHAHAHA!

>        Gerry

>

>

 

        Gerry, caro paesano,

        ben detto!

        Gli amici girano

        per kilometri

        secondo dopo secondo

        alla fine del mondo.

        Un saluto dall'Italia!

 

        rinaldo *what's happen to rinaldo?*

 

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 19:40:10 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      john cage-Haiku, john cage is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In-Reply-To:  <2.2.32.19970521032654.00698900@pop.tiac.net>

 

>The fudge

>Won't budge

>Try exlax

>

>

>

>(sorry I couldn't resist)

>

>

.............oh.ah.............

.............ha.ho.............

.............o..a..............

.............a..o..............

 

 

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 19:28:05 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      john cage-haiku #1

 

        tah     toh     tahh    tohh

        at                      21:00

        gronk   gronk

        at                      21:01

                clock

 

 

 

JOHN CAGE IS ALIVE, HE IS TALKING... TO ME!

 

        what is happened to me?

 

                r\      i

                \

                n       a\

                \

                l

\       d

        \       o       .

------------.......-----------

 

"Todas las granas de arena del desierto de

Chihuahua son vacuidad!"        Jack Kerouac    the dharma bums

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 10:48:13 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Chaput is Back

 

Dear Phil,     May 21, 1997

 

        To answer one of your reasonable questions--concerning the 2,000

xeroxed Kerouac letters in the MEMORY BABE archive at U Mass, Lowell.

(Letters that are now under seal because of John Sampas's threat to take

legal action against the library if they show them without his permission.)

        The reason they were xeroxes is because by far the majority of those

people I interviewed would not let me carry off their original Kerouac

letters.  But they let me xerox them for my own use.

        I did, by the way, get a chance to compare originals to xeroxes, and

to write in any parts that didn't appear clearly on the xeroxes, and also to

add on a few passages that (yes) actually got cut off by the xerox machines.

        (The only original was a post card from Jack to John Montgomery, but

that is one of the documents that was stolen from my archive.)

        I never said scholars didn't sometimes have to use xeroxes.

SOMETIMES THEY DO.  But they are far inferior to using originals (many

xeroxers are not as meticulous as I was).  Whenever possible, a scholar

wants access to originals.

        So it is no excuse for John Sampas to tell us he has made xeroxes of

everything he has sold--although I haven't even heard him claim that much.

Certainly, if he cares about Kerouac scholarship, he would take pains to see

that the originals are preserved forever in a library.

        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

 

P.S.  You also better go back to law school, or perhaps you were cutting

classes the day they went over property rights.  If I pay for a xerox copy,

that piece of paper belongs to me, and I can give it away or sell it or burn

it--whatever I please.  I cannot, however, sell copyright in material I have

xeroxed, and I made clear to U Mass, Lowell, that they were not acquiring

copyright in ANY PART OF THE MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE.  If I tried to sell

copyright in Jack Kerouac's letters, Mr. Sampas would have sued me a long

time ago.

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 19:48:16 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: Brad Parker Speaks

 

>David wrote:

>>Patricia: I'm lurking again on Beat-L. Must have missed all the recent

>>controversies. What's happening?

>>

>>David Ohle

>>

>i'm a beatspotting...

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 13:09:34 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Brad Parker Speaks

 

well, for months at least four guys have been hot talking about the jk

estate, this one guy, (gerald (who has battered writers syndrome)

believes that  jacks mothers will was forged and that the late jan k and

jacks impoverished nepher should share in the estate,  he is also

concerned that the sampas are selling piecmeal various jk letters.  Phil

chaput and ron anstee are facimile virgins and get down on (name calling

and attacking) gerry, and jo grant.  I have saved all the posts and

could identify the threads if they are of interests.  sometimes it is

real interesting and sometimes i am just glad to be a woman, haha.

 

by the way, this response should be enough to get my toes toasted, but

happily they are asbestos.

p

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 13:10:58 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      foucault

 

Who is foucault, is he fun to read.

p

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 14:22:53 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: john cage-haiku #1

In-Reply-To:  <3.0.1.32.19970521192805.00b64de4@pop.gpnet.it>

 

must say, rinaldo, this is so far one of my favoite of your performance

pieces in 2 dimentional space. thanks.

mc

 

 

 

>        tah     toh     tahh    tohh

>        at                      21:00

>        gronk   gronk

>        at                      21:01

>                clock

>

>

>

>JOHN CAGE IS ALIVE, HE IS TALKING... TO ME!

>

>        what is happened to me?

>

>                r\      i

>                \

>                n       a\

>                \

>                l

>\       d

>        \       o       .

>------------.......-----------

>

>"Todas las granas de arena del desierto de

>Chihuahua son vacuidad!"        Jack Kerouac    the dharma bums

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 12:33:25 +0000

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From:         David Ohle <davo@CJNETWORKS.COM>

Subject:      Re: foucault

 

Patricia: I think he's a contemporary French social philosopher. Some

people think he's fun to read. Of course, it may also be the inventor

of the pendulum. D.O.

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 14:25:11 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Brad Parker Speaks

In-Reply-To:  <33833A5E.65BD@sunflower.com>

 

you GO girl!

..what she said!

mc

 

>well, for months at least four guys have been hot talking about the jk

>estate, this one guy, (gerald (who has battered writers syndrome)

>believes that  jacks mothers will was forged and that the late jan k and

>jacks impoverished nepher should share in the estate,  he is also

>concerned that the sampas are selling piecmeal various jk letters.  Phil

>chaput and ron anstee are facimile virgins and get down on (name calling

>and attacking) gerry, and jo grant.  I have saved all the posts and

>could identify the threads if they are of interests.  sometimes it is

>real interesting and sometimes i am just glad to be a woman, haha.

>

>by the way, this response should be enough to get my toes toasted, but

>happily they are asbestos.

>p

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 14:55:27 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      karmic check-up from JK hisself/pome of day

In-Reply-To:  <33833A5E.65BD@sunflower.com>

 

from : The Scripture of the Golden eternity

 

1

did i create that sky? yes, for, if it was

anything other than a concepton in my mind

i wouldnt have said 'sky' --that is why i am the

golden eternity. there are not two of us here,

reader and writer, but one, one golden eternity,

one-which-it-is,-that-which-everything-is

 

3

that sky, if it was anything other than an

illusion of my mortal mind i wouldnt have said

'that sky,' thus i made that sky, i am the

golden eternity. i am mortal golden eternity.

 

4

i was awakened to show the way, chosen to

die in the degradation of life, because i am

mortal golden eternity.

 

5

i am the golden eternity in mortal animate form.

 

6

strictly speaking, there is no me, because all is

emptiness. i am empty, i am non-existent

 

7

this truth law has no more reality than the world

 

8

you are the golden eternity because there is

no me and no you, only one golden eternity.

 

9

the realizer. entertain no imaginations whatever,

for the thing is a no-thing. knowing this then

is human godhood.

 

10

this world is the movie of what everything is,

it is one movie, made up  of the same stuff

throughout, belonging to nobody, which is what

everything is.

 

11

if we wre not all the golden eternity we

wouldnt be here. because we are here we

cant help being pure. to tell man to be pure on

account of the punishiing angel that punishes the

bad and the rewarding angel that rewards the good

would be like telling the water 'be wet' --never

the less, all things depend on suprene reality,

which is already established as the record of

karma-earned fate.

 

12

god is not outside us but is just us, the

living and the dead, the never-lived and

never-died. that we should learn it only now, is

supreme reality, it was witten a log time ago

in the archives of universal mind, it is already

done, there's no more to do

 

13

this is the knowledge that sees the golden

eternity in all things, which is us, you,

me, and which is no longer us, you, me

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 12:05:46 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Where is Gerry Nicosia?

 

Ron Guest writes:

 

        "Where is Gerry Nicosia?  I noticed a couple of beat-ls have baited

him a little, but no reply.  This guy can't be gone."

 

Dear Ron and fellow Beat-Ls:                  May 21, 1997

 

        No "conspiracy" was involved in my recent disappearance from the

Beat-List.  I just returned from four days in Chicago, attending the 30th

reunion of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

        Most of the talks and workshops had to do with veterans working for

peace and healing.  It was nice not to be called greedy or power-mad by

anyone for a few days.

        I expect Mr. Sampas probably feels under attack much of the time,

just as I do.  Perhaps he feels I wish to prove that HE is greedy and

power-mad.  I would like to believe that he is neither; that he is a

reasonable man who wants to do the right thing.

        The problem, you say, is that Sampas's vision of what is right is

different from Nicosia's.  That does not preclude some form of compromise

vision, however.

        Let's look at Mr. Sampas's options:

 

        1) He can continue to refuse to deal with the Kerouac family (Paul

Blake, Jr.) and Jan Kerouac's literary executor, myself.  This option, at

least temporarily, gives him the right to do whatever he wishes with Jack

Kerouac's entire archive.

        Under this option, 5 different results can occur:

                A) He can continue to sell off Jack Kerouac's papers to

dealers and collectors, and keep all the money for himself and his family.

However, he runs the risk of a court injunction, as long as the Florida

lawsuit has not been dismissed.

                B) He can choose to sell Jack Kerouac's papers to a library,

and keep all the money for himself and his family.  Again, as long as the

Florida lawsuit has not been dismissed, he runs the risk of a court

nullifying the deal and ordering his family to repay all the money.

                C) He can wait, hoping that Mr. Nicosia will be successfully

removed as Jan Kerouac's literary executor; and that when that happens,

Jan's 2 heirs will still be willing to complete their deal with him and

dismiss the Florida lawsuit.  Once it is dismissed, he can proceed to sell

off Jack Kerouac's papers or put them into a library--as he chooses--without

fear of court restraint.

                D) He waits, but Mr. Nicosia is not removed.  The case in

Florida goes to trial, and he wins.  The end result is the same as in C)

above.  He can now do as he pleases with Jack Kerouac's papers forever.

                E) The result Mr. Sampas would rather not think about.  Mr.

Nicosia is not dismissed.  The case goes to trial in Florida, and Mr. Sampas

loses. Gabrielle's will is disqualified.  Jan Kerouac's estate, and the

living Paul Blake, Jr., come in for at least 2/3 ownership of everything.

The court will now decide how much or how little right the Sampas family has

to what remains.  The Sampases may be asked to make restitution for almost

30 years' of money they have received from Jack Kerouac's estate without an

actual legal right to more than a third of it (the dower's right).

 

        2) Mr. Sampas chooses to negotiate with Jan Kerouac's literary

executor, Gerald Nicosia, and Paul Blake, Jr.

        Under option 2, there are 3 possible results:

                A) Mr. Sampas makes clear that he seeks vindication at law;

that he feels his family has full right to every dollar earned by Jack

Kerouac's estate, and they choose, if possible, to keep everything for

themselves.  However, MR. SAMPAS AGREES THAT JACK KEROUAC'S PAPERS SHOULD BE

PRESERVED IN A LIBRARY AND MADE ACCESSIBLE TO SCHOLARS NOW, since the

scholarly community has already waited almost 30 years.

                Mr. Sampas, Mr. Blake, and Mr. Nicosia, through their

lawyers, agree on a library and a price, and the sale of Jack Kerouac's

archive is made with the approval of the Circuit Court of Pinellas County,

Florida.

                The court arranges for all the money, probably $1-2 million,

to be placed in escrow, or some form of trust account, which will be

administered by the court until the Florida case is tried and a final

decision is reached, or until the suit is eventually dismissed.  At the time

of final decision or dismissal, the money in the trust account will be

disbursed according to the decree of the court.

                B) Mr. Sampas, while continuing to insist that Gabrielle

Kerouac's will was not forged, prefers to settle this matter out of court.

He agrees that Jack Kerouac's papers should be preserved and made accessible

in a library now, and he is also wiling to concede that Jan Kerouac's heirs

and Gabrielle Kerouac's only living grandchild, Paul Blake, Jr., should have

some share of the financial benefits from Jack Kerouac's estate.  Perhaps

less than 1/3, or perhaps a full 1/3 each, but without the right to claim

restitution for any of the past 30 years' of earnings which the Sampas

family has already been paid.

                He is also willing to share some portion of the

decision-making power concerning where the archive ends up--share that power

with Paul Blake, Jr., and with Jan Kerouac's lawfully-appointed literary

executor, Gerald Nicosia.  (This would require peace between Mr. Lash and

Mr. Nicosia, but since Mr. Lash has been taking his cues from Mr. Sampas,

that should not be a problem.)

                Obviously, there is much room for negotiation in this scenario.

                IMHO, Option 2, either A or B, holds the brightest future

for all those with a serious interest in Jack Kerouac's works and in Jack

Kerouac scholarship.  It would mean the entire Jack Kerouac archive could

become accessible within a matter of months--and that such accessibility

would be permanent and not subject to being undone by a court.

                There is RESULT C) however: Negotiations break down, and we

revert to Option 1.

 

        I wish to state here, in public, my willingness and desire to work

with Mr. Sampas on making some form of Option 2, A or B, come to fruition.

That is, if Mr. Sampas is willing to negotiate now, I would do my best to

reach some agreement with him that would make the Kerouac archive accessible

to the scholarly community as soon as possible.

        I cannot, of course, speak for Paul Blake, Jr.  He is represented by

his own attorney, Mr. WIlliam Wagner, of Tampa, Florida.  But while Jan was

alive, Paul signed a document with Jan indicating that he would gladly

negotiate with Mr. Sampas to get the Jack Kerouac archive into a library and

accessible as soon as possible, and I have no reason to believe he has

changed his mind about that.

        I am aware that Mr. Sampas may be loath to negotiate in public,

especially here on the internet.  For that reason, I am going silent here

for a month--at least on the subject of the Estate Fight.  I may pipe up

from time to time about something else, and I will still answer private

email queries at GNicosia@earthlink.net.  I WISH TO ASSURE MR. SAMPAS,

HOWEVER, THAT IF HE REQUIRES COMPLETE CONFIDENTIALITY FROM ME DURING

NEGOTIATIONS, HE SHALL HAVE IT.

        Mr. Sampas knows where I am, and he knows how to reach my attorney.

        I hope I may eventually have something good to report to you all on

this score--or perhaps I should state more accurately, that WE [since

several people are involved] will have something good to report.

        In the meantime, I would encourage all of you to follow Jerry

Cimino's suggestion, and let Mr. Sampas know what you feel is the best

course for him to take.  The ball is now in his court, and I await his next

move.

        We know he scrutinizes the Beat-List postings about the estate; or

if you prefer to contact him privately, you can write or fax him care/of his

agent: Sterling Lord-Literistic, 65 Bleecker St., NY NY 10012.  Fax:

212-780-6095.  You may or may not choose to share these communications with me.

        ONE MORE THING, A GENTLE WARNING:

        Mr. Chaput claims there is now an 8-page list of Kerouac pieces in

the New York Public Library placed there by Mr. Sampas.  (By the way, how

about printing that list here for us right now, instead of revealing it only

to the buyers of Maher's magazine?)

        Even if Mr. Sampas has sold some new pieces to the New York Public

Library (I'm waiting to hear if they are SIGNIFICANT pieces), THERE IS STILL

A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS METHOD OF PUTTING THE KEROUAC ARCHIVE ON LIBRARY

DEPOSIT.

        THE PROBLEM IS THIS:

        Once you have removed many significant pieces from the archive, no

other major university is going to put up big bucks (read: $1-2 million) to

house what is left of the archive.  I have talked to the library directors

at Bancroft, Stanford, and Texas, and they stated very strongly that they

would NOT be interested AT ALL in acquiring a "gutted archive."  This means

that Mr. Sampas, by doling Kerouac's archive out piece by piece to the New

York Public, virtually commits himself to that library.  But suppose that in

a year, or several years, down the line, the New York Public Library gets a

new archive director who dislikes Kerouac; or, even more likely, the City of

New York runs out of money to spend on luxuries like literary archives.

        If that happens, the NYPL is no longer in a position to buy the

remainder of the Jack Kerouac archive, and now no other major library wants

what is left.  There may be thousands of pieces of paper left, but no major

library is going to spend the money and time archiving and offering them to

the public, if they cannot lay claim to keeping a reasonably intact collection.

        What happens then?  Obviously, John Sampas or his heirs just auction

off the remainder to collectors and dealers for whatever they can get for it.

        ONCE AGAIN, LET ME STATE: JACK KEROUAC'S ARCHIVE IS TOO IMPORTANT TO

BE ALLOWED TO SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS OF TIME AND CHANCE IN THIS MANNER.

 

        Hoa Binh (that's "peace" in Vietnamese)

        Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 15:15:43 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      of interest to some

In-Reply-To:  <v01530500afa5f96e4eea@[204.181.15.86]>

 

tricycle, the buddhist review, spring editon

has lots of wonderful stuff.

issue has big section, dharma 101: back to basics; well done and of

interest to those of little or large knowledge both

and a excellent (in my opin) review of snyder's mts and rivers without end.

mc

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 15:21:00 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      to the beat Hatfields and Mcoys

In-Reply-To:  <970520120134_-1230690775@emout03.mail.aol.com>

 

now, i got nuthin agin feuding, fellers,

but some times folks just got te take it out to the back- 40

(in cyberspeak, offlist)

just my opin.

mc

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 12:12:04 -0700

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From:         "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@NET-LINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow..

In-Reply-To:  <970521092959.2df0@louisville.lib.ky.us>

 

At 09:29 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

>

>Paul

>????

 

erm.

Its a "joke" that has been running around for along time. Due to the

popularity of the "mean people suck" campaign, there has been variations

such as "nice people swallow".

It means, *being sexually explict* swallowing semen when you give head.'

Get it now? ;)

 

ttfn.

Lisa

--

 

Lisa M. Rabey

Internet and Computer Consultant

San Francisco, California

http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

**************************************

General man-hating bitchy "i know more than you" chick.

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 15:32:09 -0400

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From:         "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services"

              <PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow...

 

Swallowing seamen when they go to the head?  I knew there was a tradition of

cannibalism in the Navy but I thought it was relatively under control...

 

Yours

 

Emily (Whats all this I hear about endangered feces) Litella

 

a.k.a.

Paul

!!!!!!!

 

*******************************************************************************

At 09:29 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

>

>Paul

>????

 

erm.

Its a "joke" that has been running around for along time. Due to the

popularity of the "mean people suck" campaign, there has been variations

such as "nice people swallow".

It means, *being sexually explict* swallowing semen when you give head.'

Get it now? ;)

 

ttfn.

Lisa

--

 

Lisa M. Rabey

Internet and Computer Consultant

San Francisco, California

http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

**************************************

General man-hating bitchy "i know more than you" chick.

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 14:48:46 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow..

 

Lisa M. Rabey wrote:

>

> At 09:29 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

> >

> >Paul

> >????

>

> erm.

> Its a "joke" that has been running around for along time. Due to the

> popularity of the "mean people suck" campaign, there has been variations

> such as "nice people swallow".

> It means, *being sexually explict* swallowing semen when you give head.'

> Get it now? ;)

>

> ttfn.

> Lisa

> --

>

> Lisa M. Rabey

> Internet and Computer Consultant

> San Francisco, California

> http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

> **************************************

> General man-hating bitchy "i know more than you" chick.

 

perhaps a demonstration would help everyone understand ....

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 14:56:53 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Gerry N.  -- non-estate matter

 

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i hope that the trip to Chicago was rewarding.  i'd seriously intended

to visit Thomas Park here and Salina to witness a small celebration in

route to the larger ones.  i thought it would be an interesting learning

experience.  unfortunately, sinus infections and chemical imbalances

found me passed out on the couch.

 

i was wondering if you knew anything about the below.  So far, nobody

has shared any information.

 

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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 05:25:05 -0500

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i saw reference yesterday to something like this being a work in

progress of Kerouac's at some point.

 

given that i'm a burroughs' junkie (and seem to becoming a Kerouacian as

well) i'd love to read Jack's insights into William.

 

was this ever published in any form?  are there photocopies in some

vault?

 

david rhaesa

 

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 12:58:03 -0700

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From:         "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@NET-LINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow..

In-Reply-To:  <3383519E.3E4A@midusa.net>

 

At 02:48 PM 5/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Lisa M. Rabey wrote:

>>

>> At 09:29 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

>> >Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

>> >

>> >Paul

>> >????

>>

>> erm.

>> Its a "joke" that has been running around for along time. Due to the

>> popularity of the "mean people suck" campaign, there has been variations

>> such as "nice people swallow".

>> It means, *being sexually explict* swallowing semen when you give head.'

>> Get it now? ;)

>>

>> ttfn.

>> Lisa

>> --

>>

>> Lisa M. Rabey

>> Internet and Computer Consultant

>> San Francisco, California

>> http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

>> **************************************

>> General man-hating bitchy "i know more than you" chick.

>

>perhaps a demonstration would help everyone understand ....

>

 

Sure! No problem ;)

 

HOW TO SUCK COCK - A 14 LESSON TUTORIAL

WITH TECHNIQUES FROM SOME OF THE EXPERTS.

 

By: Anonymous

 

 

 

LESSON ONE

 

I am not sure if it was because I grew up in a household with

brothers or whether I would have had the same feelings and

inclinations had I been an only child but I do know that from the

time of my earliest memories I have been fascinated with penises.

        Let's talk about the "basic penis." I regard oral sex as the

highest form of expression of love that can be exchanged between

two people. Hopefully this information will help you to break down

any barriers which you might have that would prevent you from

expressing your love in this way and from receiving a

reciprocation from your male companion.

        First things first.  LOOK at the cock. I do not mean a

cursory glance not a hurried, surreptitious examination. Take

enough time that you convince your companion that some kind of

treat is in store for him provided he will allow you to do with

him, and particularly with his cock, exactly what you want.

        Place him flat on his back on your bed, in a well lighted

room. Take his cock in your hand and LOOK at it. He probably will

not have the will power to stay soft, but then again you are

worshipping his very essence.  Few men can stay soft under these

circumstances, when it is apparent that the person LOOKING at his

cock is worshipping.

        When you first start to touch him, his cock will become hard

and be in a state where your examination will be meaningful.

Wouldn't it be nice if going to the doctor for an examination was

as enriching?

        The cock must be hard if you are to be able to note the

important parts-those parts sensitive to stimulation by your lips

and tongue.

        The first thing you will note is whether or not he is

circumcised.  Circumcision is not universally practiced: there are

advantages and disadvantages to penises in both conditions from

the standpoint of providing oral caresses that bring the highest

kind of delight to your man.

        Next take a close look at the shaft of the penis itself.

There is a bulbous part of the organ near the outer end, slightly

larger in diameter than the shaft, which is often called the head.

Technically this is the glans penis (comes from the Latin glans

which means acorn.  Look at it closely; does kind of look like an

acorn doesn't it?)

        The outside perimeter of the glans penis is the corona. This

joins the head to the shaft. This is the most sensitive spot on

the penis. It is toward this ridge that you will direct most of

your attention when you are giving head.  Follow this ridge around

to the underside of the penis. You know that I like to call it the

underbelly. I am particularly fond of the underbelly!

        You will notice a point of juncture where the two ends of

this irregular circle come together. If your partner is not

circumcised, this will also be the point where the foreskin is

attached.  This tiny area is easily the most sensitive spot on his

entire body, and it is possible to bring your partner to climax

simply by gently tapping the tip of your tongue directly on it.

Spend time caressing the glans and those areas immediately

surrounding it.

        Beneath the glans is the shaft of the penis. The shaft does

not have many nerve endings and does not, therefore, provide a man

with any high degree of stimulation when caressed either manually

or with your tongue to the exclusion of the glans penis itself.

It always amazes me to note the number of confirmed cocksuckers

who believe that sucking up and down on the shaft will get the guy

off. That's not it folks! If it works it is because the back of

your throat is playing tricks on his glans penis. Your throat is

giving head to his head!

        Beneath the shaft are the testicles (balls, jewels, call

them what you like, but let's not ignore their significance). The

testicles are extremely sensitive to pain and are not usually

considered subject to erotic stimulation to any particular degree.

Not true!  You can add a high degree of pleasure for him by paying

the right kind of attention to the balls!

        Now lets go back to the shaft of the matter. The opening in

the tip of the glans penis is the meatus.  Here is where the cum

spurts. (I could have said semen is ejaculated but I did not want

to sound too professional).

        There are other parts of a man's body which respond with

alacrity to oral stimulation.

        Many men are particularly sensitive around the nipples. The

first time I kissed my partner's nipples he shot before I had the

chance to even get near his cock. While I have not been able to

duplicate this in the laboratory setting (he hates to go near the

lab with me) my partner still gets extremely turned on by my

lingual nipple caresses.

        So LOOK at your partner's penis. Study it. Learn its areas

of special sensitivity completely and be ready to apply your

knowledge to his body with your tongue and with your lips when you

bend your loving head over his cock. There is nothing that you can

do which more clearly shows your love for him than the worship you

can provide his cock!

 

LESSON TWO

 

        The sad fact is that most people, men and women, do not have

the slightest idea of how to suck cock. Most seem to think that

simply by making a cunt of their mouth, closing it around a man's

penis, and bobbing their heads lustily up and down until he

climaxes automatically makes them expert cocksuckers.  Au

contraire!

        Consummate skill is required to suck a man's cock and

provide him with the highest degree of pleasure possible.  When I

first started my quest I really had no one to turn to for advice

and counsel. It was all hunt and suck. Hunt and suck.  Find that

one technique that could and would set him on fire!  I had to

learn from my experiences and while I would not want to deny you

the innate pleasure that these experiences will bring I would hate

to see you lose a great companion because of your inexperience and

lack of expertise.

        Let's assume that you have taken that opportunity to LOOK at

his penis.  To explore each area of the penis to find the most

sensitive parts. That you have gotten beyond "Parts is parts" and

recognize that some parts are more equal than others.

        In order for you to observe your man's reactions and get the

most information possible about his responses try the following:

        While his erect penis points toward the ceiling, cup his

balls in one hand and gently, using only your tongue, lick softly,

but carefully along the entire underside of his erect organ.  As

you suck along the underbelly you will learn those areas that give

him the greatest pleasure when your tongue is touching them.

Unless he is made of stone, your partner will provide you with

vivid clues as to which areas are most pleasurable.

        As you discover these areas of enhanced pleasure concentrate

on them. For most men the most sensitive area will be the point

where the ring (or corona) of the head and the foreskin are

attached. Or were attached prior to his circumcision.  By

continued licking and tapping along this area with your tongue you

are going to bring forth a geyser. If you are not skilled and you

want to please him in a hurry I suggest that you get him off in

this manner in order to become familiar at first hand with the

nature and delight of his climax.

        As he is getting ready for climax you will note changes in

his penis. These signs will be the same every time he climaxes so

that you can prepare for his cum properly. The head of the cock

may swell somewhat larger then it is during the normal course of

his erection.  He may thrust his hips forward as he wants to send

his

body hurtling out his cock with his cum. And for most men,

immediately prior to the cum, there will appear at the tiny,

lovely lips at the tip of the cock a clear drop or two of fluid.

When you see this or feel the opening at the meatus through his

condom you know that the moment of truth is at hand. Launch the

torpedoes, full cum ahead!

        Where should you be when you are sucking his cock?  Between

his legs, on top of him, in a sixty nine position?  Where?

Because of the structure of his penis, as well as the structure of

your mouth, lips, tongue, and teeth, you can provide the highest

degree of sensation to yourself and your partner by kneeling

between his legs and approaching his cock from the bottom rather

than from the side or the top. Don't believe me? Try the various

positions (I describe in later chapters techniques to be used with

each position). See what works best for you and your partner.

 

LESSON THREE

 

        Place his stiff cock inside your mouth but do not tighten

your lips around the shaft. With your head begin a circle motion.

The cock will slide to different places in your mouth as you

continue the circle motion.  Watch your teeth on this one.  A

kneeling position will suffice but it is also effective when your

partner is on his back and your head is directly over his cock.

The circle should be executed in both clockwise and

counterclockwise motions in a slow purposeful manner. I found many

guys in New York who seem to prefer this technique above all

others. I met one guy who could circle a cock for hours and I

found myself having multiple orgasms while his mouth circled my

cock. I didn't lose my hard-on after each cum.  When the technique

is performed correctly it means many hours of unadulterated

pleasure.

 

LESSON FOUR

 

        With your man sitting in an elevated position and you on

your knees in front of him lift his hard cock to reveal his balls.

With your tongue find the underside of his balls.  Now, while

resting his balls on your wet tongue, lick in an upward motion to

the very tip of his cock.  It is permissible to use your hands in

this technique.  It is bettor to do this technique several times

in succession-like licking a lollipop or ice cream cone. I grew up

down south. And one thing about southern boys, we learn early how

to get if off quickly when the need is there. And the lollipop

lick is the one technique in this book which few men can tolerate

for long periods of time without cumming.

 

LESSON FIVE

 

         Right now lets discuss a technique that is probably the

most common cocksucking technique in the world.  Take his cock in

your mouth but not deeply.  We will get to deep-throating later

on.  It's great, not over-rated, but if you want to be an expert

at deep throat start with the right techniques and work your way

down, so to speak.

        Take his cock in your mouth by sliding your moistened tongue

lovingly over the head until your lips close around the shaft at

the point just behind the corona.  Don't just open your mouth and

close it around his cock. Slide it in. He will enjoy it much more.

        Encase the shaft of his penis with your hand. Remember the

shaft is relatively insensitive to any kind of stimulation.  By

enclosing his penis with your hand you give him the sensation of

having his penis encased.

        Now you have several options.  Try twisting your head from

side to side making sure your moist lips stay in contact with the

coronal ridge.  While doing this gently move your hand up and down

the shaft.  When he climaxes he may want to push your head further

down the shaft of his penis. He wants to envelop you with his

cock. As you are learning his climax you will miss the fine points

if you deep throat at this time.  Instead gently suck around the

corona as he climaxes so that you can intensify his pleasure and

increase the force of his orgasm.

        As you gain more experience you will be able to tell exactly

when his climax is approaching and you will be ready for that

initial spurt out the rubber.

 

LESSON SIX

 

        There is one further refinement to this basic technique

which will heighten his orgasm. If you place your thumb at the

very base of the penis in such a way as to block the tube through

which the cum spurts, the semen cannot escape even though he is

spasming and going through the reflex action of ejaculating semen.

        If at the same time you suck vigorously on the head of his

cock you can delay his cum for several long moments. When you

finally allow the cum to spurt it will last much longer and be

just as intense as a result.  Even though you delay the cum for

only a few short moments you will be surprised by the intensity of

his cum.

        These techniques are the basis of cocksucking. Do not go

beyond them until you have become an expert, not only in the

techniques themselves, but also in the reading and interpreting of

your partner's responses to such a point that you know exactly how

he is getting off on what you are doing.  When you have reached

this point, you are ready for the more subtle, more advanced

techniques.

        Don't be so slavish that you miss out on the fun of self

discovery. Find out what works for you and for your partner and

make your cocksucking as individual as your signature.  After all,

you want your man to pick you out in the dark among hundred

slobbering cocksuckers.

 

LESSON SEVEN

 

        One of the first things you encountered when you first

started to suck cock was a gag reflex.  Most men seem to want to

force their cocks down your throat as far as they can get it.

Particularly at the moment when they cum!

        Consider for a moment that the average length of your oral

cavity is three to three and a half inches while the average

Caucasian cock length is five to five and a half inches. The laws

of nature would seem to dictate that getting all that cock into

your mouth is an impossibility.

        It can be done. You probably know someone who can do it and

that is why you purchased this book to begin with. It is possible

to master the necessary technique.  I don't want to be boring, but

if you understand your anatomy you will begin to understand the

requirements that allow you to take his hard cock into your mouth

and down your throat.   The biggest obstacle to taking all of his

cock down your throat is the fact that there is a bend of almost

ninety degrees behind your tongue leading down into your throat.

So the first thing to do is get the cock past that angle.

 

Get past the angle of the dangle!

 

        In order to practice this, get in a position where you can

turn your head in such a way that your mouth and throat lie almost

in a straight line. The best position to accomplish this is to lie

on a bed so that your head is near the edge with your body

sprawled across the bed so that your head is tipped sharply back.

This position will put your mouth and throat nearly in a line and

will allow your partner to approach you in such a way that

insertion of his cock can be made so deeply that his pubic hair

presses against your lips.

 

LESSON EIGHT

 

        Today we will practice mastering physical reaction that must

be alleviated before the art of deep penetration can fully be

enjoyed. The natural tendency of the body to gag when a foreign

object such as a deeply thrusting cock being forced down your

throat.  You can overcome this tendency by completely relaxing

your throat at moment the insertion is made. It is equally

important that you maintain this relaxation during the entire deep

throating.

        Let him put his cock down your throat and hold it still

while you find the most comfortable way to proceed.  Because of

your position you will not be able to move or to offer him any

greater stimulation than simply keeping your mouth tightly closed

around his throbbing cock.  If you are able try to stimulate his

underbelly with your tongue, do it!

        You will only be able to relax and take his cock in this way

if you completely thrust your partner.  Your partner is in full

control.  He must initiate and maintain all the motion.  This is

the only exercise in which you relinquish your control of the

situation to your partner. He will relish this for the simple fact

that for the first time he can insert his cock as deeply down your

throat as he wants to.  Now your partner begins an in and out

movement that is just like fucking.  He should start slowly,

especially if this is a completely

new experience for the two of you.  After all if he hurts you he

cuts himself off from one of the great pleasures in life.  His

only other requirement during this exercise is to keep the motion

in the same direction throughout this oral exercise as there is

simply no leeway for him to vary the motion from side to side.

 

One other word of caution.

 

        Don't let your partner get carried away at the moment he

starts to cum.  At that spectacular moment he will be able for the

first time to thrust his cock all the way inside your oral cavity

and that is the most important lesson of this exercise!  His only

other requirement during the exercise is to keep the motion in the

same against your lips as he cums.  Because of your position in

bed you will not be faced with the problem of swallowing his cum.

And this is not just because he has a condom on his dick.  The

reason is because he has gotten his cock BEYOND your gag reflex!

Without the rubber his cum would shoot directly into your stomach!

If both you and your partner understand what it is that you are

trying to do as well as the possible problems that may "cum" up

along the way no harm or discomfort will happen to either of you.

        It is possible that not everyone will learn the "deep

throat" technique but this inability does not make you any less a

cocksucker.  You must allow your throat to relax completely while

your partner is thrusting his cock this deeply down your throat.

To do this long enough for your partner to completely get it off

is very difficult and may require practice beyond this day.  It

may be that you will be able to take your partner completely down

your throat, but you will not be able to maintain proper

relaxation of your throat to until he shoots his load.  Hopefully

your partner will understand that this is not a rejection of him

or of what he is offering you, and it is my sincere desire that

you not stop here and think that you will never master the "deep

throat" technique.

        Continue to practice this lesson. I know couples who have

devoted ten months to this lesson alone.  Continue to practice

this technique because your practice will allow you to take his

cock deeper into your throat each time and for longer periods of

time.  Ultimately you will succeed.  If you have the desire you

will get this one down pat!

 

LESSON NINE

 

        Now lets turn to another portion of your partner's anatomy

which should not be ignored-the family jewels. Here are two

objects which can enhance your partner's feelings more than any

other.  Many people do not think of the balls as primary sexual

objects. Many men are extremely sensitive and just as in lesson

eight there must be a certain amount of trust built up between the

two of you before he will willingly let you have undisputed use of

these two pearls of delight!

        For today's lesson begin by gently licking his balls with

your tongue. As your partner becomes more trusting you may begin

to play with his nipples with your fingers gradually increasing or

decreasing the intensity as you gauge how he is responding.  You

may want to gently caress his cock with your hand while you are

bathing his balls with your tongue.

        Remember that the balls are extremely sensitive to pain and

he will lose his trust in you if you do not respect any limits he

places on them just as you have the right to place limits on the

back of your throat until you are completely ready to receive him.

        It is possible once you have built up this trust to take

both his balls in your mouth. He will be more receptive to this if

you thoroughly wet them with your tongue prior to taking them into

your mouth.  Unless your partner is into the new fad of complete

body shaving he will have tiny hairs on his testicles. By giving

the balls a complete tongue bath prior to taking them into your

mouth, you will have pressed these hairs down along the surface of

the sac and will not inadvertently cause pain by pulling on them.

        This may seem a small lesson but you will discover an

entirely new world of sensations for your partner when you take

the time to get to know his testicles!

 

LESSON TEN

 

        I hesitated to include this into your lesson plan but

finally I decided that if you are aware of the safest way to do

this technique that my responsibility for giving you the tools to

be the best cocksucker you can be will be satisfied.

 

Analingus.

Putting your tongue to his anal opening.

Ass sucking.

        Before you even consider doing this, make certain that your

partner is clean. Immediately out of the shower.  Place a piece of

Saran wrap over the butt.  At no time should your tongue come into

contact with the anal surface itself.

        For this lesson place your partner on his back with his legs

in the air and his knees close to his shoulders.  This spreads his

buttocks apart and allows you access to his butthole.

        You are probably under the impression that actual

penetration of the asshole itself is necessary for your partner to

receive the most complete enjoyment of this technique.  Not so

mojo!  The nerve endings around the anus itself have no

discrimination and you will get him off just as well and as

thoroughly by licking around the area as if you stick your tongue

up his butt!

        As with some of your other lessons this technique will not

usually be enough to get him to cum, but I feel that it is

important to know all aspects of your partner's body in order to

give him the most complete pleasure you can.  You may find that

after many hours of oral pleasure you need to have other areas to

concentrate on in order to give him the satisfaction he deserves.

        Analingus is a powerful stimulant and when combined with

other activities such as vigorous hand stimulation on his cock

will cause a rapid and powerful cum!

 

LESSON ELEVEN

 

        For most of our lessons the only thing required is yourself,

your partner, and a condom. Maybe some Saran wrap. A plastic glove

or two.  Well, another toy that will enhance your pleasure is a

mini-

vibrator.  For this lesson you may want to start with your finger.

Then as you and your partner become more accustomed to each other

you may find him a little intrigued about the vibrator and what it

can do for him.

        As you are giving head begin a slow playful search around

his

ass.  Many men are particularly sensitive in this area and it will

enhance the sensations that your mouth and tongue and throat are

giving his cock to feel a finger playing with his butt.   As your

partner relaxes and allows you access, gently insert your gloved

finger into his butt.  Go slowly exploring the velvety sensations

along the sides of his opening.

        When your finger is inside his asshole completely you will

be at the area of the prostate gland.  Massage of this gland by

your finger will produce some of the most delightful sensations

your partner has yet to experience.  I remember going to the

doctor for a physical the first time I felt this sensation. I

could hardly wait to get home and have my partner try it out on me

again.  While it was a bit embarrassing to cum in the doctor's

office, the feelings that the doctor inadvertently produced were

so strong that I wanted to experience them again and again!

        A gloved finger is really all that is required for this

lesson. However some members of the Cocksuckers Club of America

report to me that a mini-vibrator works exceptionally well for

this type of stimulus. It is just the same length as the average

finger and due to the vibrations that it produces the sensations

against the prostate gland are even more enhanced!

        If your partner likes this stimulation you must then

discover which method he likes best. Some men prefer an in an out

movement with the finger or the vibrator while others do not. I

personally find this painful--too much like a stab in the dark.  I

prefer the finger or vibrator to be placed against the prostate

gland and left there to do its most. Whichever method your partner

prefers is the one you should use.

        One other point. When your partner cums there will be a

natural tendency for him to push the finger or vibrator out of his

asshole.  The asshole muscles are spasming and anything in the way

will be forced out.  But to maximize his pleasure you must not let

this happen. Hold your finger or the vibrator firmly in place--

this will help to stimulate the sperm production to its maximum.

        Many people have questioned me about a vibrator around the

cock itself.  Does it add to the sensation or not?

        It does for my partner, it does not for me. That seems to be

the consensus of opinion of other readers of FRENCH CUISINE

MAGAZINE as well. I suggest as long as you have the vibrator handy

anyway, try it around the penis.  When you are licking his balls.

When you are licking his asshole.  If he gets off on it, then feel

free to use the vibrator around his dick and balls.  If he hates

the sensation obviously don't try it again.

 

LESSON TWELVE

 

        There are times when you will want to get him off in a

hurry!  I always say that Southern boys learn this one first and

then expand their repertory from that point. But because I want

you to become an expert at all aspects of oral lovemaking I

deliberately waited until now to introduce this technique.  It

differs from lesson four in that you are a more consummate

cocksucker now.  He will love it all the more if he realizes that

this is not the only trick you have down your mouth!

        It is a very simple technique and if you understand your

partner's basic cock anatomy you will grasp this one easily.

Place your lips around the head of your partner's cock and twirl

your lips wetly and gently around the coronal ridge at the back of

the head of his penis.  This does not require any great

cocksucking skill and it works simply because this is the area

that is most sensitive on your partner's cock.

        It is not necessary to be a skillful cocksucker.  All that

is necessary is for you to find the most sensitive area around the

coronal area.  By sucking on this area of his cock continuously

you will produce a quick powerful cum.  It is not necessary to bob

your head up and down on his cock to get him off.  One other use

of this technique is to get him hard again after he cums and you

will soon find him rip roaring to go

again.

 

LESSON THIRTEEN

 

        Don't be surprised if you find yourself going back to this

lesson for seconds.  We discussed briefly at the end of lesson 12

a technique to get him going again if he has recently cum.  Today

after you have gotten your man off, let's concentrate on some

techniques to get him back on again.  Not just to get him hard but

to keep him hard.  Hard enough to want to cum again!

        After he has cum you may need other techniques to keep him

hard and to keep him interested.  Many men (not all but a good

portion of us) are exhausted by a single cum and while it is

possible to get your partner up again you have a long way to go

before you get him to cum again.

        Cocksucking alone at this time is usually not enough to get

him off.  You will need to combine some of the techniques you have

learned earlier with your basic cocksucking technique to stimulate

the juices for a second and third go around. Don't hesitate in

your exploration of his body at this time. His nipples, his balls,

his asshole.  His armpits.  His earlobes.

        For the second cum you are free to really get into his body

and explore all those erotic areas that you missed when you were

concentrating on his cock exclusively.  His navel.  His toes.

        One of the things I find most exciting about the second cum

is the lack of expectation that you must get him to climax within

a certain time frame.  You have all the time in the world to

really give his total body a complete tongue bath.  You can

explore his body safely and completely and really get to know the

total body as well as you know his delightful dick!  This is

merely a sign that you are becoming a true connoisseur of

cockflesh.  A title I am proud to hold.

 

LESSON FOURTEEN

 

Soixante-Neuf

Sixty Nine

 

        Sixty nine is not always the perfect way to provide your

partner oral satisfaction. Inadvertently one of you will "let up"

your end of the cocksucking in order to experience the subtle

pleasures the other partner is giving you.  For this reason I have

included it as the final lesson. Many people think that the deep

throat technique is the ultimate pleasure you can give your

partner. Actually I believe that sixty-nine is the ultimate

pleasure.

        Done correctly and unselfishly when both of you are

completely in tune with each others innermost desires, the sixty

nine is the ultimate. But because of the problem mentioned earlier

in this lesson, most people practice it too early and it becomes

an intensely satisfying experience for one partner at the expense

of the other.  When you are completely on each other's wavelength

you will discover that this is the most effective way of giving as

well as receiving pleasure.

        The element that must be in place is simple: Both of you

must

be consummate cocksuckers!  If you have a partner who is not in

the least interested in giving head and only likes to receive it

then to attempt sixty-nine is to ask for unhappiness in your

relationship.

 

TECHNIQUES

 

        As editor of FRENCH CUISINE MAGAZINE I sometimes send out

questionnaires to our members to find out more.  I question them

about their desires, and their favorite ways to practice safe and

sane oral sex

        Here are some of the most popular variations on cocksucking.

 

        THE BUTTERFLY FLUTTER

 

        The best position for this very sensuous cocksucking

movement is kneeling over your partner. If he is on his back kneel

between his legs. Or kneel in front of your partner while he

stands. I like this position because the cock feels thicker in

your mouth and throat and you have complete freedom to play with

his balls while performing this maneuver.

        This technique was first introduced to me by a cocksucker in

northern California. There was a notorious movie theater in

downtown San Francisco with a darkened balcony.  A cocksucker's

haven. And this guy had us lined up.  You knew from the moans

emanating from the guy's throat who was getting his cock sucked

that this guy was that one in a thousand who knew how to please a

variety of fresh cockmeat.  It felt so good that I studied him

closely while he was sucking cock. Not only did I observe the guys

who were getting the radical suck, but I got down close to the

cock and observed how he was maneuvering around it. He created the

basic vacuum pressure on the cock but only enough pressure to pull

the cock into his mouth ever so slightly.

        With his lips firmly wrapped around the guy's big swollen

cock head and shaft he would gently flick the tip of the cock with

his tongue.  With his lips open around the cock at a depth so that

he could touch the tip of the cock with the tip of his tongue.

With his lips around the cock shaft he would make an up and down

movement with his tongue. He would flutter his tongue up and down

the tip of the cock.

        I recommend you try it. It will drive your Butterfly Flutter

partner back into your mouth at any hour you want him there. After

several minutes of this continue with the basic vacuum suck.

 

        THE TRAVELING FIGURE EIGHT

 

        After you have become comfortable with the basic vacuum suck

and you have become accustomed to his cock deep in your mouth and

throat, try this action. It is guaranteed to take his

breath away.  With your lips firmly wrapped around the cock shaft

try very slowly to reach the base of the shaft or as close to it

as you are comfortable.  Your nose should be buried in or at least

touching the pubic hairs at the base of the cock.

        With your nose trace a figure eight as if the figure eight

were lying on its side.  Your figure eight motion should be three

to four inches long.  Slowly travel up the shaft of the cock to

the head, doing the figure eight motion. Keep doing this motion

and let your lips firmly travel up and down the cock shaft.  Do

this for as long as you are comfortable with it. Believe me your

man is floating in orbit as his wildest dreams of the ultimate

blowjob are coming true.

        I give credit for this most erogenous technique to a member

of "The Cocksuckers Club of America" who lives in Oregon.  He and

his partner were on vacation down in Southern California and they

visited me while here. After seeing him scrape his partner off the

ceiling when he did the Traveling Figure Eight, I rushed right

into my bedroom and perfected it on my own partner!  When you get

tired of the movement slow down and return to the basic vacuum

suck.

 

 

        By this time you are becoming more and more confident with

your partner. His cock feels great as it fills your mouth and

throat.  The cock is becoming harder and warmer as your warm moist

mouth and throat create friction by going up and down that big

beautiful cock. It is time to cool his tool just a little with

this technique.

        I take full credit for this one myself! From the time I hit

puberty I was fascinated by cocks. Big ones, little ones, cut

ones, uncut ones, crooked ones, straight ones. All shapes, all

sizes. I wanted to feel them down my throat!  Combine this very

basic love of cocksucking with an inherent fear of not being able

to take cock and completely satisfy the customer and you can

imagine how I felt. I needed a technique that would feel good in

my mouth and would feel good for my partner. Here's what I came up

with:

 

        Go down on the cock shaft as far as you are comfortable. All

the while your lips should be firmly wrapped around the shaft.

Open your mouth as wide as you can and suck in as much air as your

lungs will hold. While sucking in air let your open mouth travel

up to the cock head.  Your up stroke motion should end at the head

of his cock just as your lungs fill with air. Now with your mouth

still open let the air in your lungs out slowly through your mouth

as your opened mouth travels back down the cock shaft. This

technique cools the cock on the up stroke and warms the cock with

your hot breath on the down stroke. Do this movement as long as

you like then return to the basic vacuum suck method.

 

CONGRATULATIONS!

 

You are doing just fine and he loves it!

 

Keep it up as long as you are comfortable with it.

 

        For his added pleasure and to give you something to play

with reach up and fondle his balls.  Or go up even further and

play with his nipples. This will give him something else to

concentrated on so he doesn't pop his cock yet.  If you feel he is

about to cum stop what you are doing and let him cool off for a

few minutes.  After all you are having fun and you want to enjoy

his cock as much as you can until you get tired of it.  Then let

him pop his cock!  But not yet.  He likes it too much and he wants

it to last as long as you can keep it going.

 

 

        THE CIRCLE

 

        Place his stiff cock inside your mouth but do not tighten

your lips around the shaft. With your head begin a circle motion.

The cock will slide to different places in your mouth as you

continue the circle motion. Watch your teeth on this one.

        A kneeling position will suffice but it is also effective

when your partner is on his back and your head is directly over

his cock. The circle should be executed in both clockwise and

counterclockwise motions in a slow purposeful manner.

 

 

        THE LOLLIPOP LICK

 

        With your man sitting in an elevated position and you on

your knees in front lift his hard cock to reveal his balls. With

your tongue, find the underside of his balls. Now, while resting

his balls on your wet tongue, lick in an upward motion to the very

tip of his cock. It is permissible to use your hands in this

technique. It is better to do this technique several times in

succession-like licking a lollipop or ice cream cone.

 

 

 

 

There you go!

Enjoy! ;)

 

--

 

Lisa M. Rabey

Internet and Computer Consultant

San Francisco, California

http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

**************************************

General man-hating bitchy "i know more than you" chick.

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 15:08:42 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: foucault

 

Patricia Elliott wrote:

>

> Who is foucault, is he fun to read.

> p

 

he's french. was french.  had a bowl of pot near him to help in his

writing.  some think he is hard to read.  some think he easy to read.

they are both liars.  he is very different to read.  his history of

sexuality is interesting in digging through the history of sexual

discourse.  madness and civilization was nice for me given that it was a

similar treatment concerning notions of insanity and the like.

 

my favorite is a small book titled "This is Not a Pipe."

 

david rhaesa

salina kansas

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow..

 

Lisa,

you are a treasure.

p

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nice people swallow..

 

So does anyone have suggestions or best methods for cleaning off my

computer screen now?

 

david rhaesa

 

 

 

Lisa M. Rabey wrote:

>

> At 02:48 PM 5/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

> >Lisa M. Rabey wrote:

> >>

> >> At 09:29 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >> >Nice people swallow?  I don't get it...

> >> >

> >> >Paul

> >> >????

> >>

> >> erm.

> >> Its a "joke" that has been running around for along time. Due to the

> >> popularity of the "mean people suck" campaign, there has been variations

> >> such as "nice people swallow".

> >> It means, *being sexually explict* swallowing semen when you give head.'

> >> Get it now? ;)

> >>

> >> ttfn.

> >> Lisa

> >> --

> >>

> >> Lisa M. Rabey

> >> Internet and Computer Consultant

> >> San Francisco, California

> >> http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

> >> **************************************

> >> General man-hating bitchy "i know more than you" chick.

> >

> >perhaps a demonstration would help everyone understand ....

> >

>

> Sure! No problem ;)

>

> HOW TO SUCK COCK - A 14 LESSON TUTORIAL

> WITH TECHNIQUES FROM SOME OF THE EXPERTS.

>

> By: Anonymous

>

> LESSON ONE

>

> I am not sure if it was because I grew up in a household with

> brothers or whether I would have had the same feelings and

> inclinations had I been an only child but I do know that from the

> time of my earliest memories I have been fascinated with penises.

>         Let's talk about the "basic penis." I regard oral sex as the

> highest form of expression of love that can be exchanged between

> two people. Hopefully this information will help you to break down

> any barriers which you might have that would prevent you from

> expressing your love in this way and from receiving a

> reciprocation from your male companion.

>         First things first.  LOOK at the cock. I do not mean a

> cursory glance not a hurried, surreptitious examination. Take

> enough time that you convince your companion that some kind of

> treat is in store for him provided he will allow you to do with

> him, and particularly with his cock, exactly what you want.

>         Place him flat on his back on your bed, in a well lighted

> room. Take his cock in your hand and LOOK at it. He probably will

> not have the will power to stay soft, but then again you are

> worshipping his very essence.  Few men can stay soft under these

> circumstances, when it is apparent that the person LOOKING at his

> cock is worshipping.

>         When you first start to touch him, his cock will become hard

> and be in a state where your examination will be meaningful.

> Wouldn't it be nice if going to the doctor for an examination was

> as enriching?

>         The cock must be hard if you are to be able to note the

> important parts-those parts sensitive to stimulation by your lips

> and tongue.

>         The first thing you will note is whether or not he is

> circumcised.  Circumcision is not universally practiced: there are

> advantages and disadvantages to penises in both conditions from

> the standpoint of providing oral caresses that bring the highest

> kind of delight to your man.

>         Next take a close look at the shaft of the penis itself.

> There is a bulbous part of the organ near the outer end, slightly

> larger in diameter than the shaft, which is often called the head.

> Technically this is the glans penis (comes from the Latin glans

> which means acorn.  Look at it closely; does kind of look like an

> acorn doesn't it?)

>         The outside perimeter of the glans penis is the corona. This

> joins the head to the shaft. This is the most sensitive spot on

> the penis. It is toward this ridge that you will direct most of

> your attention when you are giving head.  Follow this ridge around

> to the underside of the penis. You know that I like to call it the

> underbelly. I am particularly fond of the underbelly!

>         You will notice a point of juncture where the two ends of

> this irregular circle come together. If your partner is not

> circumcised, this will also be the point where the foreskin is

> attached.  This tiny area is easily the most sensitive spot on his

> entire body, and it is possible to bring your partner to climax

> simply by gently tapping the tip of your tongue directly on it.

> Spend time caressing the glans and those areas immediately

> surrounding it.

>         Beneath the glans is the shaft of the penis. The shaft does

> not have many nerve endings and does not, therefore, provide a man

> with any high degree of stimulation when caressed either manually

> or with your tongue to the exclusion of the glans penis itself.

> It always amazes me to note the number of confirmed cocksuckers

> who believe that sucking up and down on the shaft will get the guy

> off. That's not it folks! If it works it is because the back of

> your throat is playing tricks on his glans penis. Your throat is

> giving head to his head!

>         Beneath the shaft are the testicles (balls, jewels, call

> them what you like, but let's not ignore their significance). The

> testicles are extremely sensitive to pain and are not usually

> considered subject to erotic stimulation to any particular degree.

> Not true!  You can add a high degree of pleasure for him by paying

> the right kind of attention to the balls!

>         Now lets go back to the shaft of the matter. The opening in

> the tip of the glans penis is the meatus.  Here is where the cum

> spurts. (I could have said semen is ejaculated but I did not want

> to sound too professional).

>         There are other parts of a man's body which respond with

> alacrity to oral stimulation.

>         Many men are particularly sensitive around the nipples. The

> first time I kissed my partner's nipples he shot before I had the

> chance to even get near his cock. While I have not been able to

> duplicate this in the laboratory setting (he hates to go near the

> lab with me) my partner still gets extremely turned on by my

> lingual nipple caresses.

>         So LOOK at your partner's penis. Study it. Learn its areas

> of special sensitivity completely and be ready to apply your

> knowledge to his body with your tongue and with your lips when you

> bend your loving head over his cock. There is nothing that you can

> do which more clearly shows your love for him than the worship you

> can provide his cock!

>

> LESSON TWO

>

>         The sad fact is that most people, men and women, do not have

> the slightest idea of how to suck cock. Most seem to think that

> simply by making a cunt of their mouth, closing it around a man's

> penis, and bobbing their heads lustily up and down until he

> climaxes automatically makes them expert cocksuckers.  Au

> contraire!

>         Consummate skill is required to suck a man's cock and

> provide him with the highest degree of pleasure possible.  When I

> first started my quest I really had no one to turn to for advice

> and counsel. It was all hunt and suck. Hunt and suck.  Find that

> one technique that could and would set him on fire!  I had to

> learn from my experiences and while I would not want to deny you

> the innate pleasure that these experiences will bring I would hate

> to see you lose a great companion because of your inexperience and

> lack of expertise.

>         Let's assume that you have taken that opportunity to LOOK at

> his penis.  To explore each area of the penis to find the most

> sensitive parts. That you have gotten beyond "Parts is parts" and

> recognize that some parts are more equal than others.

>         In order for you to observe your man's reactions and get the

> most information possible about his responses try the following:

>         While his erect penis points toward the ceiling, cup his

> balls in one hand and gently, using only your tongue, lick softly,

> but carefully along the entire underside of his erect organ.  As

> you suck along the underbelly you will learn those areas that give

> him the greatest pleasure when your tongue is touching them.

> Unless he is made of stone, your partner will provide you with

> vivid clues as to which areas are most pleasurable.

>         As you discover these areas of enhanced pleasure concentrate

> on them. For most men the most sensitive area will be the point

> where the ring (or corona) of the head and the foreskin are

> attached. Or were attached prior to his circumcision.  By

> continued licking and tapping along this area with your tongue you

> are going to bring forth a geyser. If you are not skilled and you

> want to please him in a hurry I suggest that you get him off in

> this manner in order to become familiar at first hand with the

> nature and delight of his climax.

>         As he is getting ready for climax you will note changes in

> his penis. These signs will be the same every time he climaxes so

> that you can prepare for his cum properly. The head of the cock

> may swell somewhat larger then it is during the normal course of

> his erection.  He may thrust his hips forward as he wants to send

> his

> body hurtling out his cock with his cum. And for most men,

> immediately prior to the cum, there will appear at the tiny,

> lovely lips at the tip of the cock a clear drop or two of fluid.

> When you see this or feel the opening at the meatus through his

> condom you know that the moment of truth is at hand. Launch the

> torpedoes, full cum ahead!

>         Where should you be when you are sucking his cock?  Between

> his legs, on top of him, in a sixty nine position?  Where?

> Because of the structure of his penis, as well as the structure of

> your mouth, lips, tongue, and teeth, you can provide the highest

> degree of sensation to yourself and your partner by kneeling

> between his legs and approaching his cock from the bottom rather

> than from the side or the top. Don't believe me? Try the various

> positions (I describe in later chapters techniques to be used with

> each position). See what works best for you and your partner.

>

> LESSON THREE

>

>         Place his stiff cock inside your mouth but do not tighten

> your lips around the shaft. With your head begin a circle motion.

> The cock will slide to different places in your mouth as you

> continue the circle motion.  Watch your teeth on this one.  A

> kneeling position will suffice but it is also effective when your

> partner is on his back and your head is directly over his cock.

> The circle should be executed in both clockwise and

> counterclockwise motions in a slow purposeful manner. I found many

> guys in New York who seem to prefer this technique above all

> others. I met one guy who could circle a cock for hours and I

> found myself having multiple orgasms while his mouth circled my

> cock. I didn't lose my hard-on after each cum.  When the technique

> is performed correctly it means many hours of unadulterated

> pleasure.

>

> LESSON FOUR

>

>         With your man sitting in an elevated position and you on

> your knees in front of him lift his hard cock to reveal his balls.

> With your tongue find the underside of his balls.  Now, while

> resting his balls on your wet tongue, lick in an upward motion to

> the very tip of his cock.  It is permissible to use your hands in

> this technique.  It is bettor to do this technique several times

> in succession-like licking a lollipop or ice cream cone. I grew up

> down south. And one thing about southern boys, we learn early how

> to get if off quickly when the need is there. And the lollipop

> lick is the one technique in this book which few men can tolerate

> for long periods of time without cumming.

>

> LESSON FIVE

>

>          Right now lets discuss a technique that is probably the

> most common cocksucking technique in the world.  Take his cock in

> your mouth but not deeply.  We will get to deep-throating later

> on.  It's great, not over-rated, but if you want to be an expert

> at deep throat start with the right techniques and work your way

> down, so to speak.

>         Take his cock in your mouth by sliding your moistened tongue

> lovingly over the head until your lips close around the shaft at

> the point just behind the corona.  Don't just open your mouth and

> close it around his cock. Slide it in. He will enjoy it much more.

>         Encase the shaft of his penis with your hand. Remember the

> shaft is relatively insensitive to any kind of stimulation.  By

> enclosing his penis with your hand you give him the sensation of

> having his penis encased.

>         Now you have several options.  Try twisting your head from

> side to side making sure your moist lips stay in contact with the

> coronal ridge.  While doing this gently move your hand up and down

> the shaft.  When he climaxes he may want to push your head further

> down the shaft of his penis. He wants to envelop you with his

> cock. As you are learning his climax you will miss the fine points

> if you deep throat at this time.  Instead gently suck around the

> corona as he climaxes so that you can intensify his pleasure and

> increase the force of his orgasm.

>         As you gain more experience you will be able to tell exactly

> when his climax is approaching and you will be ready for that

> initial spurt out the rubber.

>

> LESSON SIX

>

>         There is one further refinement to this basic technique

> which will heighten his orgasm. If you place your thumb at the

> very base of the penis in such a way as to block the tube through

> which the cum spurts, the semen cannot escape even though he is

> spasming and going through the reflex action of ejaculating semen.

>         If at the same time you suck vigorously on the head of his

> cock you can delay his cum for several long moments. When you

> finally allow the cum to spurt it will last much longer and be

> just as intense as a result.  Even though you delay the cum for

> only a few short moments you will be surprised by the intensity of

> his cum.

>         These techniques are the basis of cocksucking. Do not go

> beyond them until you have become an expert, not only in the

> techniques themselves, but also in the reading and interpreting of

> your partner's responses to such a point that you know exactly how

> he is getting off on what you are doing.  When you have reached

> this point, you are ready for the more subtle, more advanced

> techniques.

>         Don't be so slavish that you miss out on the fun of self

> discovery. Find out what works for you and for your partner and

> make your cocksucking as individual as your signature.  After all,

> you want your man to pick you out in the dark among hundred

> slobbering cocksuckers.

>

> LESSON SEVEN

>

>         One of the first things you encountered when you first

> started to suck cock was a gag reflex.  Most men seem to want to

> force their cocks down your throat as far as they can get it.

> Particularly at the moment when they cum!

>         Consider for a moment that the average length of your oral

> cavity is three to three and a half inches while the average

> Caucasian cock length is five to five and a half inches. The laws

> of nature would seem to dictate that getting all that cock into

> your mouth is an impossibility.

>         It can be done. You probably know someone who can do it and

> that is why you purchased this book to begin with. It is possible

> to master the necessary technique.  I don't want to be boring, but

> if you understand your anatomy you will begin to understand the

> requirements that allow you to take his hard cock into your mouth

> and down your throat.   The biggest obstacle to taking all of his

> cock down your throat is the fact that there is a bend of almost

> ninety degrees behind your tongue leading down into your throat.

> So the first thing to do is get the cock past that angle.

>

> Get past the angle of the dangle!

>

>         In order to practice this, get in a position where you can

> turn your head in such a way that your mouth and throat lie almost

> in a straight line. The best position to accomplish this is to lie

> on a bed so that your head is near the edge with your body

> sprawled across the bed so that your head is tipped sharply back.

> This position will put your mouth and throat nearly in a line and

> will allow your partner to approach you in such a way that

> insertion of his cock can be made so deeply that his pubic hair

> presses against your lips.

>

> LESSON EIGHT

>

>         Today we will practice mastering physical reaction that must

> be alleviated before the art of deep penetration can fully be

> enjoyed. The natural tendency of the body to gag when a foreign

> object such as a deeply thrusting cock being forced down your

> throat.  You can overcome this tendency by completely relaxing

> your throat at moment the insertion is made. It is equally

> important that you maintain this relaxation during the entire deep

> throating.

>         Let him put his cock down your throat and hold it still

> while you find the most comfortable way to proceed.  Because of

> your position you will not be able to move or to offer him any

> greater stimulation than simply keeping your mouth tightly closed

> around his throbbing cock.  If you are able try to stimulate his

> underbelly with your tongue, do it!

>         You will only be able to relax and take his cock in this way

> if you completely thrust your partner.  Your partner is in full

> control.  He must initiate and maintain all the motion.  This is

> the only exercise in which you relinquish your control of the

> situation to your partner. He will relish this for the simple fact

> that for the first time he can insert his cock as deeply down your

> throat as he wants to.  Now your partner begins an in and out

> movement that is just like fucking.  He should start slowly,

> especially if this is a completely

> new experience for the two of you.  After all if he hurts you he

> cuts himself off from one of the great pleasures in life.  His

> only other requirement during this exercise is to keep the motion

> in the same direction throughout this oral exercise as there is

> simply no leeway for him to vary the motion from side to side.

>

> One other word of caution.

>

>         Don't let your partner get carried away at the moment he

> starts to cum.  At that spectacular moment he will be able for the

> first time to thrust his cock all the way inside your oral cavity

> and that is the most important lesson of this exercise!  His only

> other requirement during the exercise is to keep the motion in the

> same against your lips as he cums.  Because of your position in

> bed you will not be faced with the problem of swallowing his cum.

> And this is not just because he has a condom on his dick.  The

> reason is because he has gotten his cock BEYOND your gag reflex!

> Without the rubber his cum would shoot directly into your stomach!

> If both you and your partner understand what it is that you are

> trying to do as well as the possible problems that may "cum" up

> along the way no harm or discomfort will happen to either of you.

>         It is possible that not everyone will learn the "deep

> throat" technique but this inability does not make you any less a

> cocksucker.  You must allow your throat to relax completely while

> your partner is thrusting his cock this deeply down your throat.

> To do this long enough for your partner to completely get it off

> is very difficult and may require practice beyond this day.  It

> may be that you will be able to take your partner completely down

> your throat, but you will not be able to maintain proper

> relaxation of your throat to until he shoots his load.  Hopefully

> your partner will understand that this is not a rejection of him

> or of what he is offering you, and it is my sincere desire that

> you not stop here and think that you will never master the "deep

> throat" technique.

>         Continue to practice this lesson. I know couples who have

> devoted ten months to this lesson alone.  Continue to practice

> this technique because your practice will allow you to take his

> cock deeper into your throat each time and for longer periods of

> time.  Ultimately you will succeed.  If you have the desire you

> will get this one down pat!

>

> LESSON NINE

>

>         Now lets turn to another portion of your partner's anatomy

> which should not be ignored-the family jewels. Here are two

> objects which can enhance your partner's feelings more than any

> other.  Many people do not think of the balls as primary sexual

> objects. Many men are extremely sensitive and just as in lesson

> eight there must be a certain amount of trust built up between the

> two of you before he will willingly let you have undisputed use of

> these two pearls of delight!

>         For today's lesson begin by gently licking his balls with

> your tongue. As your partner becomes more trusting you may begin

> to play with his nipples with your fingers gradually increasing or

> decreasing the intensity as you gauge how he is responding.  You

> may want to gently caress his cock with your hand while you are

> bathing his balls with your tongue.

>         Remember that the balls are extremely sensitive to pain and

> he will lose his trust in you if you do not respect any limits he

> places on them just as you have the right to place limits on the

> back of your throat until you are completely ready to receive him.

>         It is possible once you have built up this trust to take

> both his balls in your mouth. He will be more receptive to this if

> you thoroughly wet them with your tongue prior to taking them into

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 16:38:58 -0400

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From:         "Tiffany N. Merriman" <MoonStarr9@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: "a baneful influence"

 

Oh, come on.  Mean people suck...Where's your sadistic, cynical nature?

People suck is a better statement.  So don't be tempted to join those damn

optimists who post smiley faces on every remaining square inch of property.

 Be a mysanthrop.  It's fun.

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Date:         Wed, 21 May 1997 17:06:39 -0400

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From:         Ginny Browne <NICO88@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: foucault

 

In a message dated 97-05-21 17:02:41 EDT, you write:

 

> my favorite is a small book titled "This is Not a Pipe."

 

oh oh. like the Magritte painting, no?

 



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