beat list 1997

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:48:10 -0400

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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: pop quiz question 2

In a message dated 97-05-22 10:30:30 EDT, you write:

<< >> what is the sound of one ego clapping?

>a Freudian fart

>db

ok: now, if a freudian farts in the wildnerness, does anyone care? >>

Not if no one smells it.

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:48:13 -0400

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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Nice people swallow..

In a message dated 97-05-21 16:15:20 EDT, you write:

<< HOW TO SUCK rooster - A 14 LESSON TUTORIAL

WITH TECHNIQUES FROM SOME OF THE EXPERTS. >>

Now comes the important part. Can someone head me in the right direction and

tell me how I could put this important information into more practical use?

Can someone erect a website with visual aids as well?

Dick Hertz

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:48:45 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Lies, Money, and Videotape

May 22, 1997

Mr. Chaput continues his lying crusade against me.

In his latest CHAPOO IS MAGOO post, he claims that "He [Gerald

Nicosia] made that SUGGESTION [that Stella forged Gabrielle's will] many times."

NOW I CHALLENGE THIS GRAND LIAR, PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE! PUT UP OR

SHUT UP, CHAPUT!

Please print the quotation from speech, interview, article, radio

interview, whatever, where I say that Stella forged Gabrielle Kerouac's

will. Please give proper citation, name of publication or place of speech,

date, --if it is oral, will you supply the tape? etc.

I have stated that there is considerable evidence, including a crack

handwriting analyst's report, that the will is forged. I have never said

who forged the will, if it is indeed forged. I have no way of knowing

that--at least at present.

The trouble is, Mr. Chaput can keep posting these lies faster than I

can answer them, since I am also answering Anstee and the other cheap-shot

artists at the same time.

HOW'S ABOUT I THROW SOME QUESTIONS BACK YOUR WAY?

My finances have been laid bare here by Anstee and Chaput--how much

I make as literary executor, how much I sold my MEMORY BABE archive for.

Jan Kerouac's finances have also been laid bare here by Chaput, Gyensis, et

al. How about equal time for the other side?

Before I answer any more questions, I'd like to know:

1) How much Mr. Chaput has made either directly or indirectly --i.e.

working for Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!--from Mr. Sampas? Has he or anyone

in his family benefited from Mr. Sampas's patronage?

2) What is Mr. Chaput's income this year as compared to previous years?

3) How much Mr. Anstee paid for the various items in his Kerouac

collection, especially those he purchased from John Sampas, and how much

those items have gone up in value?

4) How much Mr. Anstee expects to sell his Kerouac collection for

someday?

5) How much money Mr. Sampas earns per year off Jack Kerouac's

royalties?

6) How much money has Mr. Sampas earned from selling off pieces of

Jack Kerouac's archive?

7) What financial help has Attila Gyensis received for his DHARMA

BEAT magazine from Mr. Sampas, including Viking/Penguin advertisements that

Mr. Sampas arranged for Viking/Penguin to place there? How much has Mr.

Gyensis earned from working for Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, which we learned

is partly financed by Mr. Sampas?

8) How much money did Ann Charters pay for the pieces of the Kerouac

Archive which she purchased from Mr. Sampas, and how much have they gone up

in value since then? Were the pieces she purchased from Mr. Sampas part of

the Charters Beat Archive which she recently sold to the New York Public

Library?

9) Is it true Ann Charters received ONE QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for

her own Beat Archive, which she recently sold to the New York Public

Library? And that Kerouac materials were a substantial part of that archive?

10) Were there any xeroxes in Ann Charters' archive?

11) How much money has Ann Charters earned in total, from the jobs,

deals, etc., which Mr. Sampas has offered her, including editing the

PORTABLE KEROUAC, the 2 volumes of the SELECTED LETTERS, contributing to the

KEROUAC CD-ROM, etc.?

OKAY, guys, I'm waiting.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:55:49 -0400

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From: Mick Parsons <mparsons@BIGBOY.NETCRAFTERS.COM>

Subject: Re: Chapoo is Magoo

In-Reply-To: <970522023259_-731659152@emout07.mail.aol.com>

SAVE US FROM THE BEAN COUNTERS THE PAPERS PUSHERS THE PENCIL GRINDING

MUCUS MINDED MELEE OF DRONES AND BONES AND CLONES OF TEA TOTALERS!!!

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"I know the passionate lover of fine style exposes himself to the hatred

of the masses; but no respect for humanity, no false modesty, no

conspiracy, no universal suffrage will ever force me to speak the

unspeakable jargon of the age, or to confuse ink with virtue."

Mick Parsons -Baudelaire

mparsons@netcrafters.com

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:06:28 -0700

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From: "s.a. griffin" <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: MEMORY BABE

At 04:09 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>FUCKING GROW UP EVERYONE!! Enuff of the little

>>sarcastic shots at each other. If either side can't

>>deal with this respectfully take the petty cheap-shots

>>to private e-mail, PLEASE!! I think it's time to

>>take a break from Beat-l for awhile, phew...

>>Sorry, had to say it.

>>Mike (no more Mr. Nice Guy {;^>)

>hey there mike, i couldnt agree more, and i thought i had offered my own

>opinion as well, but then when one's sense of humor is so out of whack that

>my references to 1)the hatfields & 2)the mc-coys 3)the back 40 etc.

>but yes please-take it off the list, *please*! as folks appear so turned

>off that any attempt to begin a new thread become buried beneath

>viturpritive posts to and fro. it's been disenchanting to me that my return

>to the list is in midst of such an lord of the flies syndrome.

>mc

they should maybe check out the mean ppl suck thread and jump on that one.

remember: to get good head, give only the best!

xxxooo

s.a.

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:09:53 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: Nice people swallow..

Attila Gyenis wrote:

> In a message dated 97-05-21 16:15:20 EDT, you write:

> << HOW TO SUCK rooster - A 14 LESSON TUTORIAL

> WITH TECHNIQUES FROM SOME OF THE EXPERTS. >>

> Now comes the important part. Can someone head me in the right direction and

> tell me how I could put this important information into more practical use?

> Can someone erect a website with visual aids as well?

> Dick Hertz

i'm not certain, but i think this is a different notion of "beat

generation" .....

david rhaesa

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:10:38 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: CHAPOO IS MAGOO

Dear Phil-- May 22, 1997

Don't you know liars go to hell?

YOU KNOW FUCKING WELL I WASN'T RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTRY XEROXING

KEROUAC LETTERS SO I COULD SELL THEM FOR 'COLD HARD CASH'! I worked six

years gathering thousands and thousands of pieces of information for what is

considered worldwide as the most detailed biography of Jack Kerouac: MEMORY

BABE--a fact even Ann Charters has attested to. I gathered Kerouac letters

just as I gathered millions of other facts, to put together into the best

book I could write. And I then sold that whole gathering of material for a

very, very modest cost ot the University of Lowell (Charters got a quarter

million for her archive), with the hope that thosuands of other scholars

could make use of it. Mr. Sampas has now frustrated that effort.

Jan's warrant never appeared in a Serendipity book catalogue.

Provide the catalogue, please, date, volume no. etc. It doesn't exist, and

you know it.

Thanks for reminding me that Tobia called KQED radio in San

Francisco to mention the warrant over two years ago. I'd forgotten that,

amidst the mountains of other bullshit I have to deal with.

But since when do you listen to San Francisco radio, Phil? Can you

get the signal all the way from Lowell?

By the way, Tobia never mentioned it was Serendipity books. YOU AND

YOUR FRIENDS CLAIM YOU'RE NOT GETTING THIS INFORMATION FROM JOHN SAMPAS.

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING IT FROM, THEN, PHIL?

Jan Kerouac never earned $140,000 in any year. From what I learned

from her accountant, 1993 was her best year, but her income was somewhat

under $120,000. But for the ten years she got Kerouac royalties, 1986-1995,

she averaged about $50,000 a year. Take off ten thousand or more for taxes,

that's an average of $40,000 a year of spendable income, not a lot for

SOMEONE WHO WAS ON LIFE SUPPORT FOR FIVE OF THOSE YEARS.

BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THIS STUFF FROM SAMPAS, JUST WHERE

ARE YOU GETTING FACTS ON JAN'S INCOME??? SHE DIDN'T GIVE THAT STUFF OUT, AND

THE IRS CONSIDERS IT CONFIDENTIAL AND WILL NOT RELEASE IT WITHOUT PERMISSION.

I await some honest answers.

P.S. WHY DON'T YOU JUST POST THIS MAGIC 8-PAGE LIST, if it's so

germane to your argument?

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:04:56 -0700

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From: "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@NET-LINK.NET>

Subject: rants raves and other quandries

In-Reply-To: <199705222148.OAA12515@norway.it.earthlink.net>

I swore I would not respond to any of these posts, but regardless of how

many people complain, it doesn't seem to do much good.

Listen up to all involved in the Estate Fight: This has become nothing but

drag down dirty fight between those involved. At this point (and for the

last few weeks) any mail from the main contributors in this "fight" has

been automatically delted. I (and I assume others as well) really do not

care the name calling, the back biting, and all the other related

information that has been given over the list.

I have in the last few weeks aquired a new email address, which I was

slowly moving the other listservs over to. This one, I have not for the

very reason that it is not UNCOMMON for me boot up my mail after a short

period (couple of hours) to find anywhere from 25+ new messages from this

list and MAJORITY of them relating to the Estate saga. Its getting to be

annoying, tiresome as well as frustrating that those involved will not and

have refused to take it off list.

This list in part has slowly become nothing but a sewing circle with people

whining, gossiping and bickering about who fucked who, who backstabbed who,

and etc etc etc. Grow up. Majority of the people on this list are acting

like whiny spoiled brats and not adults. This list is 'suppossedly' to be

about beat LITERATURE, it is not about Chaput or Nicosia or whomever else

is fighting this estate thing. From my understanding, its been going on for

a long time, and will continue to go on regardless if this list is here or

not. We all have right in voicing our opions on this list because it is

"us" the listee's that make this list happen. And from the respones that

are coming through about how many people are getting sick and tired of the

bitching and the whining, you would THINK that those involved would get the

hint and move it off list or better yet, start your own damn listserv where

those who care can fight it out and waste all the bandwidth they want.

I am ashamed to say that this list has deterioted to nothing but a showing

of whose has a bigger ego, and for that alone, all those involved should be

ashamed.

</rant off>

ttfn.

lisa

Lisa M. Rabey

Internet and Computer Consultant

San Francisco, California

http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:12:04 -0400

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From: Mick Parsons <mparsons@BIGBOY.NETCRAFTERS.COM>

Subject: Re: pop quiz

In-Reply-To: <l03020900afa9a9b2821b@[206.25.67.125]>

THE SOUND OF DRONES AND BONES AND CLONES OF TEA TOTALERS.....

mick

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"I know the passionate lover of fine style exposes himself to the hatred

of the masses; but no respect for humanity, no false modesty, no

conspiracy, no universal suffrage will ever force me to speak the

unspeakable jargon of the age, or to confuse ink with virtue."

Mick Parsons -Baudelaire

mparsons@netcrafters.com

On Thu, 22 May 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:

> what is the sound of one ego clapping?

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:13:48 -0400

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From: Mick Parsons <mparsons@BIGBOY.NETCRAFTERS.COM>

Subject: Re: pop quiz question 2

In-Reply-To: <l03020900afa9bb62a9ca@[206.25.67.104]>

only his mother...

mick

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"I know the passionate lover of fine style exposes himself to the hatred

of the masses; but no respect for humanity, no false modesty, no

conspiracy, no universal suffrage will ever force me to speak the

unspeakable jargon of the age, or to confuse ink with virtue."

Mick Parsons -Baudelaire

mparsons@netcrafters.com

On Thu, 22 May 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:

> >Marie Countryman wrote:

> >>

> >> what is the sound of one ego clapping?

> >

> >a Freudian fart

> >

> >db

> ok: now, if a freudian farts in the wildnerness, does anyone care?

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:18:37 -0400

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From: K Sands Boehmer <ksbedit@SHORE.NET>

Subject: unsubscribe

Bill,

I tried to unsubscribe to the Beat list yesterday. :-(

I just started a new job this week and can't be distracted. :-(

I Thought I followed the directions in your introductory memo but I guess I

did it incorrectly.

Could you unsub me for a while?

Kath

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:11:58 -0700

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From: "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@NET-LINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Nice people swallow..

In-Reply-To: <338356CF.6D73@sunflower.com>

At 03:10 PM 5/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Lisa,

>you are a treasure.

thank you p ;)

Lisa M. Rabey

Internet and Computer Consultant

San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:13:38 -0700

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From: "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@NET-LINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Nice people swallow..

In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970522162750.1fd78a4e@mail.worldonline.nl>

At 04:28 PM 5/22/97 +0200, you wrote:

>At 07:49 AM 5/21/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>> Premise #1 Swallowing is a basic biological process.

>>> Premise #2 Nice People swallow

>>> Therefore Niceness is a basic biological process for people.

>>>

>>> the same thinking applies somewhat to other notions such as "inhaling"!!

>>David,

>>I like this logic. "Nice people do" works for me. They certainly

>>inhale. This suggests logical problems for mc's "mean people suck"

>>since sucking is also basic biological behavior and therefore nice?

>premise #1 People need to swallow in order to feed themselves

>premise #2 Sucking is merely non-essential (biological) behavior

>premise #4 Nice people swallow

>premise #5 Mean people suck

>therefore Niceness is necessary

>and Meanness is not

>-Paul C.

erm, premise #2 is wrong, how would a baby get milk from a bottle or its

mother if it was non-essetial? It can't frightly feed itself with a

fork/spoon?

ttfn.

lisa

(and if premise 2 is wrong, that makes all the other premises wrong as

well, as niceness is not necessary ;)

Lisa M. Rabey

Internet and Computer Consultant

San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:15:28 -0700

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From: "Lisa M. Rabey" <lisar@NET-LINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Nice people swallow..

In-Reply-To: <970522174651_270536955@emout10.mail.aol.com>

At 05:48 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-05-21 16:15:20 EDT, you write:

><< HOW TO SUCK rooster - A 14 LESSON TUTORIAL

> WITH TECHNIQUES FROM SOME OF THE EXPERTS. >>

>Now comes the important part. Can someone head me in the right direction and

>tell me how I could put this important information into more practical use?

> Can someone erect a website with visual aids as well?

>Dick Hertz

ummm..give me enough money i can show you anything ;>

but you better get a bunch of bananas though as well ;)

ttfn. lisa

Lisa M. Rabey

Internet and Computer Consultant

San Francisco, California

http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:32:28 -0400

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From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject: Re: pop quiz question 2

In-Reply-To: <970522174652_438926203@emout11.mail.aol.com>

Attila, you get an A+ and a seat upwind in the classroom in the sky

><< >> what is the sound of one ego clapping?

> >

> >a Freudian fart

> >

> >db

> ok: now, if a freudian farts in the wildnerness, does anyone care? >>

>Not if no one smells it.

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:36:32 -0400

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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject: Truce-Peace

It is obvious by Lisa and Marie's and others posts that people are sick to

death of this estate talk. I have been on the list for a few years now and

have enjoyed talking about Kerouac. It is hard to keep quite when you know

something is being said that isn't right. Especially for a hot-tempered

Frenchman like myself. But apparently people have had enough. I am willing

to call it quits about the estate stuff if everyone else will. Hell even if

they don't stop. I WILL. Let's talk KEROUAC like the good old days. Let's

end it all right here and now. No more jabs after the bell rings.Phil Chaput

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:41:06 -0600

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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject: a calm request

Comments: To: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

In-Reply-To: <199705222148.OAA12515@norway.it.earthlink.net>

mr nicosia

i am very pleased that you are on beat-L. personally i think that a man of

yr scholarship on the topic of beat literature could be a great thing in a

small forum like beat-L.

if the conversations were to drift toward lit. i think that you (and all

members of beat-L) would

really have a chance to shine & that we would all benefit from the quiet &

calm discussions of literature, etc.

please, i ask you - please - either ignore those posts that bother you by

making claims or accusations (or whatever) by not responding or please do

not respond to

them in this forum, rather do so privately via e-mail or whatever place

you see fit.

i think that beat-L is suffering.

as sane people im sure we can all meet regardless of political sway & talk

*literature* around this "cyber" table.

I ask you only what i try to deliver myself & what i would ask from all

here.

i ask all people on this list to read and consider this message whether yr

name is gerry nicosia or phil chaput or jerry cimino or derek beaulieu or

whatever. just please consider this.

i think i speak for many members of this forum.

thank you for yr time & patience

yours

derek beaulieu

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:49:24 -0700

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From: James William Marshall <iamio@MAIL.NETSHOP.NET>

Subject: For Gerry and friends

Everyone's tried to be nice about this estate bullshit. I can't be polite

anymore. Just shut the fuck up. For fuck's sake, shut the fuckin fuck up

you stupid fuckin fucks. Form a splinter list so you can continue you're

childish little rants. You're stifling those with interesting things to

say. Your: You're a liar. No, you're a liar. Liar. Prove it. Where's

the evidence. It's all tiresome. I'd like to challenge... you and your

friends to shut the fuck up. I'll give you two days to finish your little

squabble. After that, I'm bringing out the big fuckin guns. Peace.

James M.

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:11:24 -0400

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From: Mitchell Smith <WordKicks@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Beat Books Garage Sale III

Dear Howard:

Please Put me on your list for the Beat list--not at this address tho, at

Turtl Isle (also on aol).

Mitchell

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:52:46 -0400

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From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz kirby

Subject: [Fwd: Hello]

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I think that I sent this to the wrong address. I hope this is right.

Peace,

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:44:28 -0400

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Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz kirby

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Hi folks:

I am just signed on to the list. Is there any place I can go to see

archives of the list.

I am a Jack Kerouac fan and look forward to reading the list.

Peace,

Bentz

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: For Gerry and friends

At 03:49 PM 5/22/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Everyone's tried to be nice about this estate bullshit. I can't be polite

>anymore. Just shut the fuck up. For fuck's sake, shut the fuckin fuck up

>you stupid fuckin fucks. Form a splinter list so you can continue you're

>childish little rants. You're stifling those with interesting things to

>say. Your: You're a liar. No, you're a liar. Liar. Prove it. Where's

>the evidence. It's all tiresome. I'd like to challenge... you and your

>friends to shut the fuck up. I'll give you two days to finish your little

>squabble. After that, I'm bringing out the big fuckin guns. Peace.

> James M.

I'd much rather hear these guys slug it out verbally than your impolite

rantings.

James, do us a favor and simply don't read their fighting. I like to read it.

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:57:22 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: a calm request

I agree and disagree. I agree that the drift toward literature would be great.

But I cannot agree that it is better on private e-mail.

I like to read this. It is interesting in amny multifaceted ways.

I think threads like fudge and suck and swallow are collosal bores and great

waste of this list,

that's just my opinion

but I do not ask that they take it to email

read and let read, write and let write

I do not think that their posts make the list suffer.

I think other threads make it suffer but others might like those threads

At 04:41 PM 5/22/97 -0600, you wrote:

>mr nicosia

>i am very pleased that you are on beat-L. personally i think that a man of

>yr scholarship on the topic of beat literature could be a great thing in a

>small forum like beat-L.

>if the conversations were to drift toward lit. i think that you (and all

>members of beat-L) would

>really have a chance to shine & that we would all benefit from the quiet &

>calm discussions of literature, etc.

>please, i ask you - please - either ignore those posts that bother you by

>making claims or accusations (or whatever) by not responding or please do

>not respond to

>them in this forum, rather do so privately via e-mail or whatever place

>you see fit.

>i think that beat-L is suffering.

>as sane people im sure we can all meet regardless of political sway & talk

>*literature* around this "cyber" table.

>I ask you only what i try to deliver myself & what i would ask from all

>here.

>i ask all people on this list to read and consider this message whether yr

>name is gerry nicosia or phil chaput or jerry cimino or derek beaulieu or

>whatever. just please consider this.

>i think i speak for many members of this forum.

>thank you for yr time & patience

>yours

>derek beaulieu

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:01:19 -0400

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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject: Time magazine-Kerouac

Time magazine recently did a special edition mostly about art in the U.S.

with short articles and beautiful color photos of major American works of

art. A very interesting read. In the middle was a time-line format with

photos of major events in American history. It listed three books among the

major events of American history one was Melville's "Moby Dick" the other

Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" and last but not least

(drum roll) Jack Kerouac's "On the Road". Now that's what I call

R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Phil

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:05:09 -0400

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From: Michael Czarnecki <peent@SERVTECH.COM>

Subject: Re: a calm request

I 've been finding much of the estate dialogue fascinating and would not

want it taken private e-mail. Some of it certainly is deletable, but so

much more is informative and interesting.

Michael

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:18:38 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: rants raves and other quandries

At 03:04 PM 5/22/97 -0700, you wrote:

>This list is 'suppossedly' to be

>about beat LITERATURE, it is not about Chaput or Nicosia or whomever else

>is fighting this estate thing.

Hmm, funny statement coming from someone who posted this

_________________________________

"erm, premise #2 is wrong, how would a baby get milk from a bottle or its

mother if it was non-essetial? It can't frightly feed itself with a

fork/spoon?

ttfn.

lisa

(and if premise 2 is wrong, that makes all the other premises wrong as

well, as niceness is not necessary ;)"

______________________________________-

In another thread.

Nothing personal, and no complaints about this other swallowing thread, but

it seems that the rants and gossip you complain about is more related to

beat stuff than this swallowing thread.

You see what I mean?

Take care, no animosity, just observation and comment.

I like reading the estate battle posts.

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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:21:27 -0600

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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject: Re: a calm request

In-Reply-To: <199705222357.QAA26972@hsc.usc.edu>

timothy and co.

what i tried to emphasize was the heated insulting nature of so many

emails that is injuring the community spirit that can be found around this

"cyber table". insulting name calling and a general accusationary tone can

only do harm to a community (*who ever* writes it). i had meant that

messages that offend or "bother" people in whatever way should not be

replied to in this way in a public forum - if you want to get finger

pointing and name calling then move back & settle yr disputes alone - when

you can speak calmly about the issues THEN come back and share yr thoughts

with the rest of us. what do any of us gain from being exposed to some of

the anger & almost violent sturm und drang that takes place around these

parts almost daily. please gentlemen & ladies relax, take a breath,

gather yr thoughts and lets TALK/WRITE/COMPOSE/LAUGH together, not fight.

come on folks

thats what i meant.

derek beaulieu

On Thu, 22 May 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

> I agree and disagree. I agree that the drift toward literature would be

great.

> But I cannot agree that it is better on private e-mail.

> I like to read this. It is interesting in amny multifaceted ways.

> I think threads like fudge and suck and swallow are collosal bores and great

> waste of this list,

> that's just my opinion

> but I do not ask that they take it to email

> read and let read, write and let write

> I do not think that their posts make the list suffer.

> I think other threads make it suffer but others might like those threads

> At 04:41 PM 5/22/97 -0600, you wrote:

> >mr nicosia

> >i am very pleased that you are on beat-L. personally i think that a man of

> >yr scholarship on the topic of beat literature could be a great thing in a

> >small forum like beat-L.

> >if the conversations were to drift toward lit. i think that you (and all

> >members of beat-L) would

> >really have a chance to shine & that we would all benefit from the quiet &

> >calm discussions of literature, etc.

> >please, i ask you - please - either ignore those posts that bother you by

> >making claims or accusations (or whatever) by not responding or please do

> >not respond to

> >them in this forum, rather do so privately via e-mail or whatever place

> >you see fit.

> >i think that beat-L is suffering.

> >as sane people im sure we can all meet regardless of political sway & talk

> >*literature* around this "cyber" table.

> >I ask you only what i try to deliver myself & what i would ask from all

> >here.

> >i ask all people on this list to read and consider this message whether yr

> >name is gerry nicosia or phil chaput or jerry cimino or derek beaulieu or

> >whatever. just please consider this.

> >i think i speak for many members of this forum.

> >thank you for yr time & patience

> >yours

> >derek beaulieu

> >