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the archive and talked to Martha Mayo personally about it a few months back.

By the way my father's letters from Jack ( YES XEROX COPIES I have the

originals) and interviews are in that archive and I have given MY permission

slip to the University. I am trying to be silent about this whole estate

thing out of respect for the many people on this list including Bill Gargan

the list administrator who requested WE stop this type of thing. I am

willing to. I have been on this list and have enjoyed talking about Kerouac

AND THE BEATS, and I would like to keep it that way. I just couldn't let a

terrible misquote like that go by. Jerry to say I'm "beaten" after I agree

not to back stab is pretty low. Also tell Gerry YES I DO GET SOME

INFORMATION from John Sampas I'm not denying that I get SOME info from him.

I sure have gotten a lot from Gerry too! I'm done talking to you and Gerry

and Jo unless you want to talk about Kerouac and the beats. Out of respect

for people on the list not because I'm "beaten". Phil Chaput-Lowell, Mass.

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:00:31 -0700

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Re: Thomas Pynchon

R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

> --- On Fri, 23 May 1997 17:23:00 -0700 Rob Holton

> <rholton@OKANAGAN.NET> wrote:

> > In his introduction to Slow Learner, his collection of early

> short

> > stories,

> > Pynchon details the important Beat influence on his work and

> calls

> > himself

> > post-Beat. There are quite few connections.

Oh no, not the "is he beat" theme. IMHO, not beat, but definitely cool.

Wouldn't trade reading Gravity's Rainbow, V , and Lot 49 for much.

J. Stauffer

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:35:34 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Clarify this situation

At 03:40 PM 5/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>> Many weeks ago, when Gerry Nicosia first showed up on this list,

>> I wrote a friendly message saying "Glad to have Gerry N. here,

>> but I hope we'll talk about things other than estates and wills,

>> and that we'll resist all getting dragged down into the legal

>> mire together and ruining the friendly atmosphere of the list".

>> (Levi Asher)

Levi, May 23, 1997

Just to set the record straight, Levi, I came on here saying I

wanted a serious discussion about the future of Jack Kerouac's archive, and

the next thing I know you're helping to mire up the situation yourself by

telling everyone on the Beat-List that I pulled PARROT FEVER from your

LITERARY KICKS web page with no just explanation, just arbitrarily, and

somebody--you or somebody else, I can't remember--used the expression that I

was "as bad as Sampas." So I had to spend two or three posts just getting

that straightened out, and of course it turned out (after searching my

files) that I had sent you a 400-word letter in July, explaining in detail

that I could no longer let you have PARROT FEVER for free because Jan

Kerouac's heirs--whom I legally serve--demanded that PARROT FEVER provide

some income for them.

I have a hard time believing you couldn't remember receiving that

detailed explanation. At the time you piped up with your false charge,

several other people were throwing similar false charges against me, and

your contribution helped get the bonfire going. So let's spread the blame

around a bit more, even if that means looking in the mirror.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:06:19 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Ann Charters Int./ Words Put in My Mouth

>Jerry--

>Which shows that she has class. Nicosia simply refers to her as a

>Sampas stooge (and probably on his payroll), despite the fact that her

>work on Kerouac is certainly at a minimum as substantial as his, and I

>would argue considerably more .

>J Stauffer

Dear James, May 23, 1997

One of the reasons I've been known to lose my temper here is because

people like you keep putting words in my mouth that I never said. Mr.

Chaput claims I said Stella Sampas forged Gabrielle Kerouac's will. But he

can't produce the quote with any real citation. Now you say I called Ann

Charters "a Sampas stooge." Can you please produce this quotation, cite

source, date, etc.?

The fact is, I never called Ann that. Ann and I were colleagues who

had a good working relationship (she called me for help several times, which

I gave) until late in 1993. At that time, she told me she was going to

censor the SELECTED LETTERS of Kerouac because that was the only way she

could keep her job working for John Sampas--i.e., she could only put in the

letters he approved. I wrote Ann a long letter, admonishing her that I did

not think she was taking the right path, that I thought in the interest of

Kerouac scholarship she should refuse to let Sampas dictate what letters

went into the collection. And if Sampas fired her and hired someone else to

do his bidding, so be it. She would have stood up for an uncensored edition

of Kerouac's letters.

After that point, Ann ceased communicating with me almost entirely,

and became openly hostile to me on various occasions. I guess she figured I

was "messin'" with her career. I still respect the Kerouac work she has

done, and the hours she has put in, but I feel she had made some very bad

choices; and the harsh things she said about Jan Kerouac*, many times in

public, were unjustified and not very considerate in view of the fact that

Jan's father has earned her considerable money and reputation over the years.

(At Black Oak Books in Berkeley, for example, she said Jan Kerouac

was "low class" and "rude like her father."--source, San Francisco archivist

Steven Kushner, who taped her that evening.)

Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:00:40 -0400

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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: a calm request-Lisa is right

Phil, you're right, I stand corrected. You did not say "Gerry is a thief

because he xeroxed Jack's letters". That is what you were insinuating, of

course, but those were not your words.

I remind myself of the father in Flashdance right before he shakes Patrick

Swayze's hand... "When I'm wrong I say I'm wrong". And in this little game

of "gotcha" I was wrong to put those words in quotes. I should have said I

was paraphrasing instead.

If you want to start a serious discussion about Jack, Phil, then answer me

this. Did you know Jack when your were a kid? Tell us about it. I'm sure

others will be interested and it will allow you and me to talk about

something where we aren't on opposite sides of the fence.

Jerry Cimino

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:04:11 -0400

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From: "Dean M. Palmer" <dean_palmer@JUNO.COM>

Subject: Burrough T-Shirts

In the latest issue of GQ it says Burroughs has been tapped to shoot

holes in Tshirts with his picture on them to be sold for $99.

Dean Palmer

/\/\/\/\/\~Dean_Palmer@juno.com~/\/\/\/\/\

/\/\/\/\/\~Funny English Joke; man and wife in living room, phone rings,

man answers and says he wouldn't know, better call the coast guard, and

hangs up, wife says, "Who was it, dear?" and man says, "I don't know,

some damn fool who

wanted to know if the coast was clear." har-har-har (Neal

Cassady)~/\/\/\/\/\

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:39:17 -0400

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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Burrough T-Shirts

Dean, we have those shirts, shot full of holes and signed by WSB himself in

stock for $50. Check our website www.kerouac.com or call us at

1-800-KER-OUAC for details.

Jerry Cimino

Fog City Facts & Fiction

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:16:35 EDT

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From: Jim Dimock <juancito@JUNO.COM>

Subject: Re: The Music. . .

On Fri, 23 May 1997 13:25:07 -0400 Bruce Hartman <bwhartmanjr@INAME.COM>

writes:

>Beat friends,

>So, I

>figured it might be a good idea to drag this list, kicking and

>screaming,

>into the discussion and hope that it might spark at least a side

>thread for

>those who are bored with WWIII.

Hey Bruce,

Were you the one who was looking for a jazz time line about six months

ago? Let me know if you're interested. I've worked up a brief one with

writers and jazz artists and I'd be happy to share.

Regards,

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:34:17 -0400

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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: The Music. . .

Jim, I'd liketoget

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:37:28 -0400

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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: The Music. . .

Yeow! I know I've had a hair trigger lately, but it usually ain't that bad!

What I meant to say was, Jim could you send me a copy of that Jazz timeline?

Thanks!

Jerry C

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:37:30 -0400

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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Music...

In a message dated 97-05-23 15:25:24 EDT, you write:

<< Jack wrote some jazz criticism as well, was really into it all, in fact

the main reason I love his writing more than the others so much is the way he

captures the swing of bop>>

Also, something that people don't like to talk about because it conflicts

with their 'image' of Kerouac, is that he listened to classical to Frank

Sinatra.

Kerouac is not all that he is jazzed up to be,

Attila

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:29:28 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: a calm request-Lisa is right

Phil Chaput wrote:

> Does anyone on the list think they can copy an authors words whether it is

> in the form of a letter or manuscript or book or whatever and then sell it

i would guess that certain word montage approaches would be considered

acceptable. it's been 7 years or more since i read Nimmer on contracts

so i can't recall the details. my guess is that it depends on the

percentage of the original quoted material use OR (i don't recall the

standard) but somethign about significant difference or somesuch.

word montages and cutups are probably safe game. but that's just a

hunch.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 06:46:51 -0400

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From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject: Re: Music...

In-Reply-To: <199705231910.AA012944636@lulu.acns.nwu.edu>

just listening to jack read his own work in his own voice has changed ny

reading of his works forever. he reads his own work like bebop rhythms, and

one of my favorite pieces is his reading of RR in October Earth on the CD

boxed set with steve allen improvising in background to keep the rhythms on

piano. i often put on kerouac tapes, CDs, etc and then scan the lines, as i

listen to the flow and beat of his voice. many great experiments, one of my

favorite was listening to him read this charley parker pomes. my stanzas

etc do not conform to the printed text, but to the rhythms and meter of

jack's own voice as i hear them.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 08:17:55 -0400

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From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject: the truth is often relative to the mother of invention.

In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.94.970523155015.5179O-100000@seka.nacs.net>

i keep thinking that it's yesterdays tomorrow

(i suspect that the clocks

are running backward

eternally dragging me

foward and toward

yesterday's tomorrow)

be here now!

the chorus

of my dead fathers chant in my ears.

(i have a list of questions streching out

to infinity plus one!

(excitedly i begin to ask for

proof of the holy goof

of life and love,

heaven and hell,

and the kerouac estate)

then,

*poof!*

they abandon me....

leaving behind a calendar!

i fall into

the abyss

between what happened

and what might have been,

i dive deeply into

the holy cracks

of sidewalks in eternal past,

where

time is

eternally poised

on the threshold

of a day already

lived.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 07:29:10 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: the truth is often relative to the mother of invention.

Marie Countryman wrote:

> i keep thinking that it's yesterdays tomorrow

> (i suspect that the clocks

> are running backward

> eternally dragging me

> foward and toward

> yesterday's tomorrow)

> be here now!

> the chorus

> of my dead fathers chant in my ears.

> (i have a list of questions streching out

> to infinity plus one!

> (excitedly i begin to ask for

> proof of the holy goof

> of life and love,

> heaven and hell,

> and the kerouac estate)

> then,

> *poof!*

> they abandon me....

> leaving behind a calendar!

> i fall into

> the abyss

> between what happened

> and what might have been,

> i dive deeply into

> the holy cracks

> of sidewalks in eternal past,

> where

> time is

> eternally poised

> on the threshold

> of a day already

> lived.

> mc

beautiful. ... i would have said time is "poisoned" rather than "poised"

but i guess that's why your morning messages always uplift my mood and

set the day off on the right foot.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 08:33:01 -0400

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From: William Morgan <Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Influences on the Beats

Dear Jim:

You might want to check with the Rare Book and Manuscript Dept. at Columbia

University, they have all the correspondence between Ginsberg and Trilling

and it is quite an insight into their relationship. Maybe they have

Kerouac's as well but I haven't looked into that. Mark Van Doren was also an

important instructor in both their lives (maybe even more so than Trilling)

and you should check into that angle as well. Van Doren read the Doctor Sax

manuscript and was very critical of it, as I recall. Good luck.

Bill Morgan

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 09:18:15 -0400

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From: Shelley Waite <Stimpette@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: The editing of Kerouac's Selected Letters

Please send me a copy of the Anstee essay

Shelley Waite

1720 N. Orchard unit D

Chicago, IL 60614

Thanks!

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From: "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject: Re: Music...(NBC- jazz)

Good morning all,

For all you jazz fans out there, I suggest you run out

and buy the re-release of Miles Davis' _Kinda Blue_

on Columbia. They've added an extra track - an alternate

take of "Flamenco Sketches." Beautiful!!

Mike

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 09:52:43 -0400

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From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject: What lettes sold by whom to whom under what circumstances?

Race wrote:

>Phil Chaput wrote:

>> Does anyone on the list think they can copy an authors words whether it is

>> in the form of a letter or manuscript or book or whatever and then sell it

Phil:

Who sold what letters to whom for how much under what circumstances and

what are you talking about? While there are matters of concern to me about

the availability of Kerouac archives and the condition under which they are

being maintained, I am investigating this to come to my own conclusions.

But, questions such as this are filled with inuendo and imply that somebody has

done something wrong or illegal. If you are going to put this out in the wild,

please be specific so that we can, if we care to, investigate and answer your

question.

Are letters in anyway copyrighted material? Once you write a letter it is no

longer "your" property if you mail it. It is the property of the person who

received

it. So, does copyright etc attach to it?

I don't know the answer. But, I would like to know the question first!

Peace,

Bentz

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:17:20 -0400

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From: Mick Parsons <mparsons@BIGBOY.NETCRAFTERS.COM>

Subject: Re: The Music. . .

In-Reply-To: <19970524.031612.2814.2.juancito@juno.com>

hey jim,

i'd be interested in that list as well.......

mick

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"I know the passionate lover of fine style exposes himself to the hatred

of the masses; but no respect for humanity, no false modesty, no

conspiracy, no universal suffrage will ever force me to speak the

unspeakable jargon of the age, or to confuse ink with virtue."

Mick Parsons -Baudelaire

mparsons@netcrafters.com

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:19:09 -0400

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From: Mick Parsons <mparsons@BIGBOY.NETCRAFTERS.COM>

Subject: Re: Music...

In-Reply-To: <970524043729_1391965443@emout09.mail.aol.com>

oh, I don't know...

I rather enjoy classical now and again, when the mood strikes; besides,

rarely is anyone all that their image creates them to be...

mick

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"I know the passionate lover of fine style exposes himself to the hatred

of the masses; but no respect for humanity, no false modesty, no

conspiracy, no universal suffrage will ever force me to speak the

unspeakable jargon of the age, or to confuse ink with virtue."

Mick Parsons -Baudelaire

mparsons@netcrafters.com

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 08:30:06 -0700

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Pranksters' Home Base On the Block / Kesey selling legendary '60s

cabin in La Honda

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Michael McCabe, Chronicle Peninsula Bureau

Ken Kesey's legendary log cabin in La Honda, site of some of the most

mind-bending parties of the 1960s, is on the verge of being sold.

The prospective buyers are a nice, quiet Stanford University couple who

want a place to write.

The yellow two-bedroom cabin set in a grove of redwood trees

served as home base for Kesey -- The Chief -- and his Merry Pranksters at

the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

It was on this three-acre lot that Kesey, author of the novel ``One Flew

Over the Cuckoo's Nest,'' and his friends would climb aboard their famous

day-glo school bus for freaky excursions to the Haight, Berkeley, and points

way beyond.

Along the way they held ``acid tests'' in public ballrooms, accompanied

by the music of the Haight-

based Grateful Dead, and free bowls of LSD-spiked punch.

Reached by telephone at his farm in Pleasant Hill, Ore., last night,

Kesey was in no mood for questions.

``First of all, it is not a nice little cabin,'' he growled. ``It is a

big nice old house in the middle of a redwood forest.'' Then he turned the

telephone over to his wife, Faye.

Faye said they are selling the cabin partly to get some money after

settling out of court with a San Mateo County sheriff's deputy who sued

them. The deputy said he suffered severe neck injuries after falling off a

bridge on Kesey's property four years ago as he was responding to a call.

``We also thought it was time to sell it because we are so far away and

it was starting to get run down. Ken feels a little sad about selling.''

On the other hand, she said they both feel good about the couple from

Stanford who are buying it. The asking price was $239,000. The sale has not

closed.

``I think they want to do a little writing. There certainly is a lot of

good aura there.''

She said Kesey put the finishing touches on his second novel, ``Sometimes

a Great Notion,'' at the cabin.

In 1965, Kesey and 13 pals -- including Neal Cassaday, the inspiration

for one of Jack Kerouac's central characters in ``On the Road'' -- were

arrested for growing marijuana on the property. At the time, Kesey said he

was in the bathroom painting flowers on the toilet bowl when he was attacked

by a state narcotics officer who ``looked too much like Odd Job in the James

Bond movie `Goldfinger.' ''

The house became a focal point for the ``backwoods mountain hippies'' of

the era, said neighbor Jim Warren of Kings Mountain. The cabin was featured

in Tom Wolfe's book, ``The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test'' and other works

chronicling the antics of Kesey and the Merry Pranksters.

``I remember after Kesey got busted the first time, they put out a yellow

and black roadside marker that read, `No Left Turn Unstoned,''' laughed

Warren. ``It was really a great, funky place.''

Kesey bought the cabin in the late 1950s, when he was a creative writing

student at Stanford University. He lived there until the early 1970s with

Faye and two children.

Since then, Kesey has rented the cabin to tenants, but over the past year

it has been vacant. Because the cabin was never really locked, vandals have

stolen several relics of the Merry Prankster era, Faye Kesey said. Pieces of

artwork, collages, and other mementos are now missing from the shrine.

``There are a lot of great memories at that house,'' Faye Kesey said.

``We both feel confident that the new owners will take very good care of it

and treat it with respect.''

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 11:34:12 EST

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From: MORE OXY THAN MORON <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject: Re: Music...

I agree with mc, the sound of Jack's voice has given me a much greater sense of

his rhythm when I read his books. Not all writers have Jack's great ability or

wonderful voice for reading but we are lucky to have tapes of Jack. I highly

recomend to all beginning readers of Kerouac to grab a tape of Jack reading

from his own work, nothing like it.

Dave B.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 09:22:55 -0700

Reply-To: stauffer@pacbell.net

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: More Prankster stuff

The May 25 issue of the SF Examiner Magazine has an interesting story on

Carolyn Garcia Adams (Mountain Girl). Cover story, with an excellent

selection of photos from the old days and now. Worth going out to your

local bookstore that carries out-of town Sunday papers for those of you

who follow Prankster/Dead stuff. The Sunday edition is a joint

Examiner/Chronicle production.

J Stauffer

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:29:04 EST

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From: MORE OXY THAN MORON <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject: Gargolye magazine

This may be repeat information as I think I lost some mail during a recent

thunderstorm here in the outback So excuse me if this is old news but the

latest issue of Gargoyle Magazine, number 39/40, has an excerpt of Joan Haverty

Kerouac's autobiography in it (this would be Jan's mother). Give it a look

should you spy a copy.

One more thing, any fans of Larry Eigner out there? Re-reading some of his work

as he died a few months ago, I was happy to have my memory re-freshed to what a

fine poet he was. Sorry he had to die for me to look at his work again...but if

you get a chance, give Larry a read. Adios to a great poet.

dave B.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:27:02 CDT

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Wes Lundburg <wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>

Subject: Re: Music....

Marie wrote:

(snip, snip)

>one of my favorite pieces is his reading of RR in October Earth on the CD

>boxed set with steve allen improvising in background to keep the rhythms on

>piano. i often put on kerouac tapes, CDs, etc and then scan the lines, as i

>listen to the flow and beat of his voice. many great experiments

Hi, marie! This is one of my favorites, too (and I have you to thank for it,

since you sent me a copy!). The word "experiment," as you use it here, is

exactly right, too. Some of those cuts with Steve Allen improvising in the

background are experimental, and very successful. "Pull My Daisy" (to shift to

JK film work) is also an experiment. Perhaps the willingness to experiment, and

bring experimental accomplishments to a polished, performed state is JK's

greatest achievement in terms of connecting with the works of Charlie Parker. I

see much of Jack's work as the result of the same kind of practice that a jazz

band does.... sweaty pores, baggy clothes, perhaps in some garage somewhere,

hammering out the next notes, or finding possibilities for new ones... no, that

didn't work--back up and try some new notes... no, that didn't work well,

either--here, try this... yes, YES! that's it. That's just the right sound

(word). Ahhhh.... Ommmm.... peace.

Great stuff! Great thread, here!

Regards, ---Wes

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:30:31 CDT

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From: Wes Lundburg <wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>

Subject: Marie's Poem

Ahh, Marie, what a jewel you are!

Thanks for the sparkling poesy.... nice piece of work.

---Wes

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:24:47 -0400

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From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject: Re-re-vision.

In-Reply-To: <3386DF15.5171@midusa.net>

the truth is often relative to the mother of invention 5/24/97

> i keep thinking that it's yesterdays tomorrow

> (i suspect that the clocks

> are running backward

> eternally dragging me

> foward and toward

> yesterday's tomorrow)

> be here now!

> the chorus

> of my dead fathers chants in my ears.

> (i have a list of questions streching out

> to infinity plus one!

> (excitedly i begin to ask for proof

of the holy goof

> of life and love,

> heaven and hell,

> and the kerouac estate)

> when,

> *poof!*

> they abandon me....

> leaving behind a calendar!

> i fall into

> the abyss

> between what happened

> and what might have been,

> i dive deeply into

> the holy cracks

> of sidewalks in eternal past,

> where

> time

> is

eternally poised

> on the threshold

> of a day already

> lived.

> mc

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 23:35:43 +0200

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: question 'bout John Cage archives.

In-Reply-To: <199705231623.AA282864597@lulu.acns.nwu.edu>

At 10.37 23/05/97 -0500, Nick Weir-Williams wrote:

...

>himself. The John Cage archives (or one third of them - he split up

>manuscripts, correspondence, and other articles between three places) are at

>Northwestern and are so meticulous and so organized and so easy for scholars

>to use.

...

gentle Nick,

i am very interesting to John Cage archives,

it is possible to connect & retrieve documents through

the internet? every feedback is welcome,

my best greetings,

Rinaldo.

*24 may 1996. * one year on the Beat-L * 24 may 1997*

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:43:41 -0700

Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Mr. Chaput Put on Notice

On May 24, 1997, Phil Chaput wrote:

"...what I said was it was illegal [for Gerald Nicosia] to 'xerox

and sell' an author's letters, that when he told people it was for his

personal use and then turned around and sold the letters THAT was illegal

... Does anyone on the list think they can copy an author's words whether it

is in the form of a letter or a manuscript or book or whatever and then sell

it for cash."

Dear Mr. Chaput, May 24, 1997

This is the second or third time on this Beat-List that you have

accused me of criminal activity. To accuse a person of a crime, when they

have not committed one, is both slander and libel, and you can be brought to

court for damages for bringing such harm to another person.

I AM PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE RIGHT NOW, THAT IF YOU FALSELY ACCUSE ME

OF ANY MORE CRIMES, I WILL BRING A SUIT AGAINST YOU FOR SLANDER AND/OR

LIBEL, AND SEEK DAMAGES FROM YOU TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.

Let's look at this accusation of yours:

Exactly what crime did I commit, by selling my research archive for

MEMORY BABE to the University of Massachusetts?

You claim that because my archive contained xeroxed Kerouac letters,

among many other items, I committed a crime.

WHAT crime, Mr. Chaput? A crime has to have a name. I can think of

only two that might apply.

Do you claim that these xerox letters were STOLEN PROPERTY?

Either the xeroxes belonged to me, and I could sell them, or they

were stolen, and I could not.

I paid for those xeroxes, they were my property, and I sold

them--not for profit. (It would be hard for anyone to contend I made a

profit from my archive, which sold for $7,500, when the 300 interviews alone

required 50,000 miles of traveling, hotels, phone bills, etc., that easily

totalled more than $7,500. And there were more than 25,000 separate pieces

in this archive!)

If these xeroxes are "stolen property," then let Mr. Sampas go over

to the Lowell Police Station and ask the Lowell police to make the library

turn the xeroxes over to him.

WHY HASN'T MR. SAMPAS DONE THIS? The xeroxes have been sitting

there for the past ten years!

The only other crime I can think of, in this case, would be

DOCUMENT THAT HE HAS NOT HIMSELF WRITTEN, PURELY FOR SCHOLARLY USE, then

almost every college student in America is guilty of copyright

infringement--and that is absurd.

What we are talking about now is a SINGLE XEROX OF EACH LETTER, used

for material in the writing of my biography. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT

MAKING MULTIPLE COPIES, ADVERTISING, and SELLING THEM.

NO ONE HAS EVER ASSERTED THAT SCHOLARS AND WRITERS CANNOT MAKE

SINGLE COPIES FOR THEIR OWN USE.

There was an issue a few years ago about professors, who xeroxed 30

or 60 or 90 copies of certain books for all their students, so that the

students would not have to buy the books. What happened was the publishers

complained--I believe thru the Authors Guild--and some sort of fund was set

up, so that when university professors do this kind of thing, money is

contributed to a general royalty fund to reimburse the publishers for lost

revenue. I am not sure of all the details, and would be happy if someone

like Nick Weir-Williams at Northwestern could clarify that.

BUT AGAIN, THERE HAS BEEN NO ACTION, COURT RULING, etc., THAT HAS

PROHIBITED THE INDIVIDUAL COPY FROM BEING MADE FOR SCHOLARLY USAGE. TO THE

BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE HAS EVER WON A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT SUIT FOR

SUCH ACTIVITY.

If Mr. Sampas feels the copyright infringement has occurred because

I placed all of my research materials in a library (a crime I have never

heard anyone being accused of), THEN LET HIM BRING A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT

SUIT AGAINST ME--with the knowledge, of course, that there are severe

penalties for bringing frivolous lawsuits.

Could it be that Mr. Sampas has not brought such a suit against me

in ten years because he knows it would be deemed a frivolous lawsuit?

If I am not guilty of either THEFT or COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, what

is the crime I am guilty of, Mr. Chaput? And if I am not guilty of any

crime of this nature, then you have been slandering and libeling me here on

the Beat-List for the past week.

And that entitles me to take legal action against you. You are

forewarned.

Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:59:26 -0700

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Who Gave Out Jan's Income Tax Returns?

Dear Phil, May 24, 1997

You have allowed a very big question to go unanswered.

You claimed, originally, that you were not getting the material for

your posts from John Sampas. Then I asked about how you got Jan Kerouac's

income statements, and you change your tune and write:

"Also tell Gerry YES I DO GET SOME INFORMATION from John Sampas I'm

not denying I get SOME info from him."

Can you please tell us if you got Jan Kerouac's income statements

from Mr. Sampas?

Because 1) if Mr. Sampas got them from the IRS without permission,

thru some private connection, he has broken the law.

Or 2) if Mr. Sampas got them from Sterling Lord, who was both his

and Jan Kerouac's agent, then Mr. Lord has breached his fiduciary

responsibility to Jan Kerouac, because an agent is required to keep the

financial affairs of his client COMPLETELY CONFIDENTIAL.

As Jan Kerouac's literary executor, I would like to know if Mr.

Sterling Lord has acted improperly as Ms. Kerouac's agent, since that would

be grounds for a legal action against Mr. Lord.

So, Phil, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MATTER! Please tell us the source of

Jan Kerouac's income statements that have been shown to you, since in your

May 22 post you claimed to have EXACT FIGURES FOR JAN'S 1993 and 1994 INCOME.

Your earliest reply will be appreciated. Thank you.

Yours truly, Gerald Nicosia

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:21:44 EDT

Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Gargolye magazine

In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 24 May 1997 13:29:04 EST from

<breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Dave, do you know if this is the same piece that was published several years ag

o in a small pamphlet or is this a different piece?

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:27:18 EDT

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Law suits

Gentle listmembers, I don't think Beat-l is the proper place to give or

take legal depositions. Let's leave any talk of lawsuits in the

attorney's office where they belong or at least threaten each other

privately.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:34:11 -0700

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Lies, Money, and VIdeotape

May 24, 1997

Attila Gyensis writes:

"...the financial assistance that I have received from Mr. Sampas

amounts to a grand total (let me check my calculator) $0, nada, zero, nulla,

nothing, zip."

May I suggest, Mr. Gyensis, that you are being a little coy in the

matter of advertisements that have magically appeared in your magazine,

DHARMA BEAT?

In the short 3-year history of DHARMA BEAT, you have received

numerous full-page ads from Viking/Penguin, Mr. Sampas's publisher. Your

fall 1995 issue even had TWO full-page ads from Viking. You received a

half-page ad from Rykodisc for a record that was produced by Jim Sampas.

You received a full-page ad for BIG SKY MIND, the Buddhist Beat collection

with which Mr. John Sampas was intimately connected (the editor states: "A

special debt of gratitude is owed to John Sampas, the Literary Executor of

the Estate of Jack Kerouac for his long-standing magnanimity..."). You also

received a full-page ad for New York University's Beat conference, which

again was indebted to Mr. Sampas (he provided Jack Kerouac paintings for

display in the university museum, etc.)

Are you going to tell me that all those ads were mere accidents?

No other Kerouac publication ever got that kind of major

advertising, including the KEROUAC CONNECTION, which has had a far more

distinguished 12-year history in terms of printing detailed Kerouac/Beat

scholarship, memoirs, etc.

OK, I expect only more denials, but I felt this stuff ought at least

to be put into the record.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:41:10 -0700

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Law suits

At 08:27 PM 5/24/97 EDT, you wrote:

>Gentle listmembers, I don't think Beat-l is the proper place to give or

>take legal depositions. Let's leave any talk of lawsuits in the

>attorney's office where they belong or at least threaten each other

>privately.

Dear Bill, May 24, 1997

I beg your pardon, but Mr. Chaput has several times used the

Beat-List to publicly accuse me of criminal actions, of breaking the law.

I think I am fully justified in using the same public forum to tell

him he will be held accountable for whatever he says here that is illegal

(slander, libel) and damaging to my professional reputation.

Thank you.

Yours truly, Gerald Nicosia