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great
story.
mc
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andrew
wrote
>Is
it possible to be beat and married?
@@@@@@@@@
hey
andrew, i dont have an answer for you, but have to thank you for
question,
and upon digging through all things beat, ijust found and re-read
corso's pome 'marriage'
too
long for me to type out. here are a few
salient quotes:
should
i get married? should i be good?
astound
the girl next door
with my
velvet suit and faustus hood?...
........
O God
and the wedding! all her family and her friends
and
only a handful of mine all scroungy and bearded
just
waiting to get at the drinks and food
.........
o but
what about love? i forget love
not
that i am incapable of love
it's
just that i see love as odd as wearing shoes--
i never
wanted to marry a girl who was like my mother
and
ingrid bergman was always impossible
and
there's maybe a girl now but she's already married
and i
dont like men and--
but
there's bound to be somebody!
because
what if i'm 60 years old and not married,
all
alone in a furnished room with pee stains on my underwear
and
everybody else is married! all the universt married but me!
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
Marie
Countryman wrote:
>
>
andrew wrote
>
>Is it possible to be beat and married?
>
@@@@@@@@@
>
hey andrew, i dont have an answer for you, but have to thank you for
>
question, and upon digging through all things beat, ijust found and re-read
>
corso's pome 'marriage'
>
too long for me to type out. here are a
few salient quotes:
>
>
should i get married? should i be good?
>
astound the girl next door
>
with my velvet suit and faustus hood?...
>
........
> O
God and the wedding! all her family and her friends
>
and only a handful of mine all scroungy and bearded
>
just waiting to get at the drinks and food
>
.........
> o
but what about love? i forget love
>
not that i am incapable of love
>
it's just that i see love as odd as wearing shoes--
> i
never wanted to marry a girl who was like my mother
>
and ingrid bergman was always impossible
>
and there's maybe a girl now but she's already married
>
and i dont like men and--
>
but there's bound to be somebody!
>
because what if i'm 60 years old and not married,
>
all alone in a furnished room with pee stains on my underwear
>
and everybody else is married! all the universt married but me!
I just
read this one recently in some collection.
at times it made my
bone
marrow jerk a bit the identifications were so compleat.
Another
morning and another wonderful day started by the notes from
sweet
marie. a true breath of fresh air.
david
rhaesa
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Thanks for your support
In a message
dated 97-05-24 20:35:06 EDT, Gerry Nicosia writes:
<< In the short 3-year history of DHARMA BEAT,
you have received
numerous full-page ads from Viking/Penguin
.....
No other Kerouac publication ever got
that kind of major advertising
>>
Dear
Mr. Nicosiais:
If your
publisher is interested in placing a full page ad, please have them
contact
me. I'll see if I can ok it with the proper authorities.
Best,
Attila
Gyenis
Editor
DHARMA
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Tra un
fiore colto e l'altro donato
l'inesprimibile
vanita
Fiore
doppio
nato in
grembo alla madonna
della
gioia
Between
a flower gathered and the other given/ the inexpressible vanity/ /
Double
flower/ born of the womb of our lady/ of joy
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
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Subject: You go JO
However,
if suits are filed, please inform the list.
j grant
____________________________
Jo:
I don't
know if you were just serious, or if you also were poking fun at
our
love of the morbidity of it all, but to me, LOL. And as an
attorney,
yeah let me know too! ;-)
Peace
--
Bentz
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http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Subject: Word games
I have
always loved word games. Even though I
have always sucked at
crossword
puzzles. I always saw them like a
haiku, and love Rexroths
One
Hundred Poems from the Japanese and Snyders use of Japanese-Oriental
imagery. Since someone else posted some cool stuff, I
thought I would
risk
the criticism of the beat world and post one of my little attempts
at
irony things here. Please excuse me.
Toxic
Reins
The
City and the Country
Are two
places.
If my
wife was not blind to Toxi-city,
My
children could ride horses.
Like
Bukowski.
May 25,
1997 9:34 AM
Since
all the comments about Bukowski, I could not resist the allusion.
Peace,
Bentz
--
Bentz
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Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
Comments:
To: cosmic@clark.net
Cosmic
Baseball Association wrote:
>
>Well, Steve, I think that Barbara Bush is beat, George is pure skull
>
and
>
>cross bones.
>
-snip-
>
>me, yes, my wife, no
>
>
>
>--
>
>Bentz
>
>bocelts@scsn.net
>
> Is
it possible to be beat and married?
>
>
Regards,
>
Andrew
>
cosmic@clark.net
Andrew:
Is the
CBA open? I have not been able to get
back in lately. I was
trying
to tell someone of your wonderful site and the the URL started
telling
me that clark.net does not exist.
Thanks
and oh yeah, probably it is a bumpy bumpy ride, because two beats
should
not marry. They would spin off into a
morass of
ADD/hyperactivity.
Peace,
--
Bentz
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Subject: Corso on Kerouac
As I
prepare for my trip to San Francisco, I have pulled all my City
Lights
Pocket Poets off the shelf and begun to read and re-read them. I
want to
drink a coffee with Lawrence, and I want to feel the grass in
the
park that is the child of the grass that Jack felt. So, I started
today
with Elegiac Feelings American (for the dear memory of John
Kerouac)
by Gregory Corso. I think parts are
worth repeating, Yo, Race,
this
can't be Marie, but it could be absolutely sweet:
1.
How
inseparable you and the America you saw yet was
never there to see; you and America, like
the
tree and the ground, are one the same; yet
how
like a palm tree in the state of Oregon...
dead
ere it blossomed, like a snow polar loping
the
Miami--
How so
that which you were and hoped to be, and the
America not, the America you saw yet could
not see
So like
yet unlike the ground from which you stemmed;
you stood upon America like a rootless
flat-bottomed tree; to the squirrel there
was no
divorcement in its hop of ground to its
climb of tree
......................
Was it
not so much our finding America as it was America
finding its voice in us; many spoke to
America
as though America by land-right was theirs
by
law-right legislatively acquired by
materialistic
coups of wealth and inheritance; like the
citizen
of society believes himself the owner of
society.
and what he makes of himself, he makes of
America and thus when he speaks of America
he speaks of himself, and quite often such
a he
is duly elected to represent what he
represents...
an infernal ego of an America
.........................
Alas
Jack, seems I cannot requiem thee without
requieming America, and that's one requiem
I shall not presume, for as long as I live
there'll
be no requiems for me
................
Yours
the eyes that saw, the heart that felt, the voice that
sang and cried; and as long as America
shall
live, though ye old Kerouac body hath
died,
yet shall ye live... for indeed ours was a
time
of prophesy without death as a
consequence...
for indeed after us came the time of the
assassins,
and who'll doubt thy last words
"After me...
the deluge"
........................................
We came
to announce the human spirit in the name of
beauty and truth; and now this spirit
cries out in
nature's sake the horrnedous imbalance of
all
things natural... elusive nature caught!
like a
bird in hand, harnessed and engineered in
the
unevolutional ways of experiment and
technique
What
hope for the America so embodied in thee, O friend,
when the very same alcohol that
disembodied
your brother redman of his America,
disembodied ye-- A plot to grab their
land, we
know--yet what plot to grab the
ungrabbable
land of one's spirit? ....
............
[Then
on to the end of Chapter 4 and this beautiful, tearful tribute to
John
Kerouac and indictment of our country and world that still rings so
true
with cloning, rain forest rape, genetic engineering, etc. Thanks
Gregory]
....
And you
were flashed upon the old and darkling day
a Beat Christ-boy... bearing the gentle
roundness of things
insisting that the soul was not square
And soon...behind thee
there came a-following
the children of flowers
By
Gregory Corso, North Beach, San Francisco, 1969
This
yet, brings tears to my eyes and chills to my whole body. What love
for
Jack and his work, what truth of feelings spoken. The honesty of
Jack's
faults, that some would deny, what honesty about the treachery
that
gave birth to this country, what passion for Jack's vision. Can
there
be any doubt as to the identity of Bob Dylan's Tambourine Man, no,
it is
Jack Kerouac! But, of course it is many
others as well, but it is
Jack
Kerouac, Tambourine Man to whom we all dance.
And yes the beats
were
more, but without Jack, there were no more beats.
Hey!
Mister Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not
sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey!
Mister Tabourine Man, play a song for me,
In the
jingle jangle morning I'll come following you.
Peace,
and don't forget to pray for Ti Jean, because we are now he.
That's
my church for the day!
--
Bentz
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Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
Andrew:
Yes. 31
years.
Best,
Pamela
Beach Plymell
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From: Michael Czarnecki
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Subject: Book info.
I have
a book coming out June 4th, TWENTY DAYS ON ROUTE 20, a haibun
(condensed
prose & haiku) account of a cross-country journey taken last
fall.
If anyone's interested please E-mail me privately (don't think I
should
take up any more list space than this for the book) and I'll E-mail
flyer/details.
Thanks,
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Ungaretti.
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.SUN.3.96.970525141314.617A-100000@alfred.uib.no>
At
14.16 25/05/97 +0200, Nils-Oivind Haagensen wrote:
>Tra
un fiore colto e l'altro donato
>l'inesprimibile
vanita
>
>Fiore
doppio
>nato
in grembo alla madonna
>della
gioia
>
>Between
a flower gathered and the other given/ the inexpressible vanity/ /
>Double
flower/ born of the womb of our lady/ of joy
>
>
Caro
Nils-Oivind Haagensen, GRAZIE!,
grande
citazione! UNGARETTI! il grande poeta italiano di questo
secolo,
la poesia esattamente recita:
---------------------------------------------------------------
ETERNO
Tra un fiore colto e
l'altro donato
l'inesprimibile nulla
---
Giuseppe Ungaretti, Ultime, Milano 1914-1915---------------
grazie
e cari saluti e buona domenica da
Rinaldo
Rasa.
NON
GRIDATE PIU' di Giuseppe
Ungaretti, da "I Ricordi"
Cessate
d'uccidere i morti,
Non
gridate piu', non gridate
Se li
volete ancora udire,
Se
sperate di non perire.
Hanno
l'impercettibile sussurro,
non
fanno piu' rumore
Del
crescere dell'erba,
Lieta
dove passa l'uomo.
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From: Levi Asher
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Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
In-Reply-To: <3388411A.30565089@scsn.net> from
"R. Bentz Kirby" at May 25,
97 09:39:39 am
Bentz
wrote:
>
Thanks and oh yeah, probably it is a bumpy bumpy ride, because two beats
>
should not marry. They would spin off
into a morass of ADD/hyperactivity.
I've
been married seven years, and this has become a regular cycle by
now. With some smart scheduling, we can make the
hyperactivity wave
happen
on weekends and the attention-deficit part on weekdays. It
also
helps me that my wife can't stand the Beats (keeps us balanced).
That
Gregory Corso poem is the best, too ...
------------------------------------------------------
Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
(the beat literature web site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock album)
###################################
"Tie yourself to a tree with
roots"
-- Bob Dylan
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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
Levi,
My wife
couldn't stand the beats either when we first got married. I think
it's
got to do with that "he's gonna run off and sow his wild oats leaving me
stuck
at home alone" female thing. Can't
imagine why any woman would think
that
about people like Neal Cassady?
Now
she's involved in a business where she's talking beat everyday. She
really
focused in on the women writers, Hettie Jones, Joyce Johnson, Diane
DiPrima,
Carolyn etc and it turned her around.
She especially enjoyed the
new
Women & the BG recently released.
Jerry
Cimino
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Tony's Story and Gerry's....
>Gerry,
>
> Is there an easy way to tell whether
you actually did tape Tony
>telling
that story? ...and is it part of the
holdings of your archive at
>Lowell?
Thanks Gerry.
>
> Antoine
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
>
Dear
Antoine, May 25, 1997
Yes, I checked my 48 page catalogue of
what I put on deposit at U
Mass,
Lowell, and THERE WAS A TAPED INTERVIEW OF TONY CHAPUT INCLUDED IN THE
COLLECTION. I'm sure that's the story.
Now we'll need a signed letter from
Tony in California to Martha
Mayo at
the Special Collections, Mogan Center, U Mass, Lowell, 40 French
St.,
Lowell, Mass, telling Ms. Mayo's it's okay for people to listen to the
tape
and to read the transcription.
That's if the Chaput tape and
transcription are not among the many
missing
items from the collection. And I'm also
not 100% sure Ms. Mayo
won't
come up with yet another excuse to keep Tony's interview off limits,
but it
would be interesting if Tony sent in a permission letter to see if
people
could actually get access to it.
However, you see the difficulty of
chipping one little stone free at
a time,
from a wall (collection) that is built of thousands of stones. I
need a
legal action to free the entire collection at one time.
I was getting my master's at U of I,
Chicago, in 1972, when I was
prodded
into reading Kerouac by my officemate (we were teaching assistants
together),
a hip Jewish kid named John Simon from Harvard. Until then I'd
been
forced to read all the academic standards of modern American fiction,
Roth,
Bellow, Mailer, Updike, et al. But on
my own I had read Thoreau and
Whitman
and Jack London, so I was tremendously receptive when I read the
first 5
pages of THE DHARMA BUMS and found all this spirituality,
compassion,
and concern for the common, workingclass people. You see, my
father
was a socialist from Chicago, who had read most of Jack London when
young
--he had even hitchhiked to California at the age of 17 in 1927 and
had
told me many of his own "road tales" while I was growing up. My father
also
used to read to me from London's THE IRON HEEL, to teach me about the
oppression
of the poor by the rich, so when I read Kerouac I knew
immediately
I had found a brother soul. (We'd both
been raised ethnic
Catholic
to boot, me Italian Catholic, Jack of course French Catholic.)
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Thanks for your support
At
08:08 AM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
a message dated 97-05-24 20:35:06 EDT, Gerry Nicosia writes:
>
><< In the short 3-year history of DHARMA BEAT,
you have received
>
numerous full-page ads from Viking/Penguin .....
> No other Kerouac publication ever got
that kind of major advertising
>>>
>
>Dear
Mr. Nicosiais:
>
>If
your publisher is interested in placing a full page ad, please have them
>contact
me. I'll see if I can ok it with the proper authorities.
>
>Best,
>Attila
Gyenis
>Editor
>DHARMA
beat
>
>
Dear
Attila, May 25, 1997
Levi says you're my friend, but you
seem to have forgotten how to
spell
my name.
Since you're my friend, I was
expecting at least the first ad for free.
Thanks.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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From: John Mitchell
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Subject: Garb for Holy Goof
Well in
15 minutes I'm off to my 29th commencement at this institute of
higher
learning wearing my Master's Degree (in English!) garb, which looks
like
the skin of a wet bat dangling from my arms, my legs sore from yam yum
in the
4th circle of hell, but yesterday my wife and I went to the Mall of
America
Memorial Day 50% off plus 20% sale, and--get ready for this--bought
my
first pair of grown-up pants in years (with cuffs!)--and a Gerry Garcia
tie
(not on sale)! I look great! (You're only as old as you look!) Good
enough
for litigation, if not as good as Allen Ginsberg in white shirt and
tie
reading HOWL! for the first time. May
the Great Speckled Bird be with
you all
for the weekend. // Gratefully dead, John M.
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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tony's Story and Gerry's....
What a
fascinating storyline here. And it's
kind of ironic too. We've
actually
learned something kind of major through calm discussion.
Phil
Chuput tells a story about his brother Tony.
It's a first person
account
and we're all touched by it to one degree or another and others say
Tony
ought to type it up and preserve it.
Phil says he's been after Tony to
do it
for years and thinks he may do it soon.
Gerry
Nicosia says he taped that same story directly from Tony's lips and in
fact
the audio tape is sitting in Lowell in a collection that no one has
access
to on an old tape that is probably rotting away.
Kind of
makes you wonder how far honest dialogue and discourse can take us.
Jerry
Cimino
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Subject: Re: Tony's Story and Gerry's....
....and me, Irish Catholic! In 1970 I
and a friend hitched back and
forth
across the United states and Canada. You can't do that without
developing
a huge store of stories, so I can only imagine the kind of
stories
your Dad had to tell. Did he ever talk about whether his Italianess
(word?)
was recognized and what kinds of reactions he got? And what kinds of
travelling
times must he have been talking about - no freeways and I guess
nothing
like the long haul trucking that you have now...although we never
had any
luck in having truckers stop to pick us up with all the regulations
they
have to live under now.
Chicago was one of the few major
places that we never ended up in -
along
with Los Angeles - and it wasn't until five or six years ago that I
got to
the windy city for far too short a visit! At least got to fulfill my
dream
of visiting the filed Museum.
Was all your father's travelling on
the road or did he ride the
rails
as well? Was he going to California to work or just to go?
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Lies, Money, and other non important
matters.
In a
message dated 97-05-24 23:54:09 EDT, Gerry Nicosia writes:
<<
I would have to be a fool >>
Dear
Gerry,
If I
thought that I have to respond to your charges, I would.
best,
Attila
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: Re: Garb for Holy Goof
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<l03020900afae3a217417@[141.224.144.84]>
may
jerry send you numerous blessings, safe as he is in heaven with AG, JK
and the
rest of the heavenly choir
mc
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From: jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>
Subject: Re: Thanks for your support
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>In
a message dated 97-05-24 20:35:06 EDT, Gerry Nicosia writes:
>
><< In the short 3-year history of DHARMA BEAT,
you have received
>
numerous full-page ads from Viking/Penguin .....
> No other Kerouac publication ever got
that kind of major advertising
>>>
>
>Dear
Mr. Nicosiais:
>
>If
your publisher is interested in placing a full page ad, please have them
>contact
me. I'll see if I can ok it with the proper authorities.
>
>Best,
>Attila
Gyenis
>Editor
>DHARMA
beat
Am I
missing something? "Nicosiais" rather than Nicosia? Play on a word?
Perhaps
miffed after an enlightening rundown on your ad sales?
Would
have enjoyed a response that was a bit more substantial.
j grant
BE ON THE WATCH
for
items stolen from the Keroauc Collection
O'Leary Library, U Mass, Lowell
http://www.bookzen.com/kerouac.theft.html
Academic
& Small Press Authors & publishers
display books free at
<http://www.bookzen.com>
302,443
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: the tragedy of it all (to nicosia,
chaput et al.)
In-Reply-To: <9704248645.AA864508671@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
hello
fellows,
i do
believe this may be the first direct response of mine regarding the
continuing
shit storm.
so
today i set down to scan _memory babe_ again,
looking for the voice of gerald nicosia which
has been missing in all of
the
words written in this lengthy word war..
when
i came
across the photo
of jan
kerouac
taken
in 1978,
her
head held proudly,
hair
riffling back in the breeze.
and i
said out loud, all to myself,
'my
god, this woman is a beauty!'
by
which i meant you could see the beauty
in her
eyes, the pain and the knowledge
gained
at great cost,
as i
gazed at her generously beautiful features
i
thought, yes, she was her father's daughter.
and i
wept.
for the
pain of jack
which
led, in part, to the pain
inflicted
on his daughter,
and how
the estate wars
with
the shrill fear in which
voices
raised 'gainst one another here
--however
amusing or informative to some.
sorry
guys,
but i
mostly feel sad over this whole emotional/legal mess...
may jan
be dead and safe in heaven
mc
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From: Julie Hulvey <JHulvey@AOL.COM>
Subject: Fwd: RE: Hello
---------------------
Forwarded
message:
From: chatfield@voyager.net (chatfield residence)
To: jhulvey@aol.com
Date:
97-05-25 16:14:34 EDT
julie:
thank
you for your answers to my question. i will check out the CD-ROM if i
can. it
sounds like it would be cool, even if it doesn't help me with my
research
paper.
if you
get a chance, would you send a mail to the list saying how grateful
i am
for everyone's suggestions? i have to unsub because of the volume of
mail. i
can only check my mail once or twice a day, and i can't handle
having
60-70 messages to read. i just don't have the time.
i think
this list is a great idea and if i have any questions i may be
re-joining,
asking them, and then unsubbing, like the commitment ducker
that i
am. :)
thanks
for the ideas!
--amy
jean
"hold
me down, catching my throat, make me pray, say, love's confined."
-r.e.m.
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: hipster talk
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.SUN.3.96.970525141314.617A-100000@alfred.uib.no>
\\
.clonkk\
\
\\boff
blip\bleep
\ bop
beep\ \
clink\biff\
.
kerouac.
. described
. the velocity life of the 20th century\\\
the not
music .
by john cage ../
caught the
sound of the environment.
//.
clink\\
beeep
\\ bleep
bop\\
bliiip\\\\
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\
yrs
rinaldo
-Rust
Never Sleeps-
*
There's
more the picture
Than
meets the eye
*
(Neil
Young & Jeff Blackburn)
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Subject: AH I
In-Reply-To:
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"There's just something about it
which
allows me to write a certain way, like
an actual language style
which happens to be inspired as much
by the South as it by
Shakespeare or The Bible or whatever. But it allows me to
write in the first person, and I felt
this way. And I write
'Ah' instead of 'I'"
Nick Cave.
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\\ \\
i \\\\
have\
a \
\\ life\
but \
\ i \
can't
\\ use \
it\\
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Subject: Re: Memory Babe Archive
In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 24 May 1997 19:55:16 -0700
from
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Gerry,
how many of the 300 people you interviewed do you still have addresses f
or? Why not write a form letter and try to get
their permission to open their
letters
and tapes now? Maybe all of us at
Beat-l could help you contact people
who are hard to find? We maight not locate everyone but we sure could
make a
dent
and open up a huge chunk of the archive.
Seems to me to be a better alter
native
than another law suit.
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Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 25 May 1997 03:43:37 -0400
from <cosmic@CLARK.NET>
On Sun,
25 May 1997 03:43:37 -0400 Cosmic Baseball Association said:
>>Well,
Steve, I think that Barbara Bush is beat, George is pure skull and
>>cross
bones.
>-snip-
>>me,
yes, my wife, no
>>
>>--
>>Bentz
>>bocelts@scsn.net
>
>Is
it possible to be beat and married?
>
>Regards,
>Andrew
>cosmic@clark.net
Ask Gregory Corso!
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
<bocelts@SCSN.NET>
Organization:
Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby
Subject: Re: Memory Babe Archive
Bill
Gargan wrote:
>
Gerry, how many of the 300 people you interviewed do you still have
>
addresses f
>
or? Why not write a form letter and try
to get their permission to
>
open their
>
letters and tapes now? Maybe all of us
at Beat-l could help you
>
contact people
> who are hard to find? We maight not locate everyone but we sure
>
could make a
>
dent and open up a huge chunk of the archive.
Seems to me to be a
>
better alter
>
native than another law suit.
Bill:
Is
there a valid restriction. The little
bit that I read is that UMASS
at
Lowell just has a school policy and it is not based upon law. If
someone
on the list is aware of any actual statutes that apply, I would
be
interested.
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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From: Diane Carter
<dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>
Subject: Re: the tragedy of it all (to nicosia,
chaput et al.)
Marie
Countryman wrote:
>
>
hello fellows,
> i
do believe this may be the first direct response of mine regarding the
>
continuing shit storm.
> so
today i set down to scan _memory babe_ again,
> looking for the voice of gerald nicosia
which has been missing in all of
>
the words written in this lengthy word war..
> when
> i
came across the photo
> of
jan kerouac
>
taken in 1978,
>
her head held proudly,
>
hair riffling back in the breeze.
>
and i said out loud, all to myself,
>
'my god, this woman is a beauty!'
> by
which i meant you could see the beauty
> in
her eyes, the pain and the knowledge
>
gained at great cost,
> as
i gazed at her generously beautiful features
> i
thought, yes, she was her father's daughter.
>
and i wept.
>
for the pain of jack
>
which led, in part, to the pain
>
inflicted on his daughter,
>
and how the estate wars
>
with the shrill fear in which
>
voices raised 'gainst one another here
>
--however amusing or informative to some.
>
sorry guys,
>
but i mostly feel sad over this whole emotional/legal mess...
>
may jan be dead and safe in heaven
> mc
I think
you hit the nail on the head when you speak of all of the pain
involved
in this family relationship, maybe in all family relationships.
I have read all of the posts about the estate
war since this whole thing
began
on the list several weeks ago. I think
Mr. Nicosia speaks from a
very
personal perspective of watching someone he cared greatly about die,
and
then feeling that he must continue to try and carry out her wishes.
I think
what he is trying to do for Jan is commendable. I also think
that
when you are feeling that kind of pain on a personal level and then
you
have to battle several legal issues, emotions are bound to erupt.
But
here on the list we are only hearing the same accusations over and
over. Rarely is a new idea brought up. Today, the talk about Jack
rather
than the same old war was refreshing.
Maybe through conversations
about
the words and people, the war can slip into the background. I
think
all of the people writing about the estate problems should count
backwards
from 500 to 1 before responding to each others posts. I, for
one,
would like to hear more stories about Jack (and his daughter) from
people
who knew them and were involved in their lives.
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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Lowell author-Jay Pendergast
May
25,1997
Lowell
author and friend of Jack Kerouac, Jay Pendergast died unexpectedly
this
afternoon. Jay had just written a story about Jack in Paul Maher's
premiere
issue of the "Kerouac Quarterly" his painting that Jack had given
him
personally what I called "Beatnik Jesus" was on the cover. He was an
educator
that taught English, Irish and American Literature as well as
History,
Writing and Anthropology courses. Jay held his Ph.D. in Irish
Literature
and held his Masters degree in English Literature. He was an
author
who had written two books about early Lowell "The Bend in the River"
and
"Life along the Merrimack" he had also completed a book of photos of
Lowell
and one of Dracut and was working on a second book of Lowell photos.
His
first Lowell photo book had a wonderful picture of Jack Kerouac at an
early
age performing in a play. Jay was also an archeologist and had
completed
several archaeological excavations in Newfoundland, Ireland and
along
the banks of the Merrimack River. Jay was a very close friend of mine
who
loved Jack Kerouac and Lowell. This passage appeared in his first book.
If at
night a man goes out to the woods surrounding Galloway, and stands on
a hill,
he can see it all there before him in broad panorama: the river
coursing
slowly in an arc, the mills with their long rows of windows all
aglow,
the factory stacks rising higher than the church steeples. But he
knows
that this is not the true Galloway. Something in the invisible
brooding
landscape surrounding the town, something in the bright stars
nodding
close to a hillside where the old cemetery sleeps, something in the
soft
swishing treeleaves over the fields and stone walls tells him a
different
story.
Jack
Kerouac- The Town and the City
Here's
one for you Jay, I'm going to miss you.
Ever
see a tired
ba by
Cryin
to sleep
in its mother's arms
Wailin
all night long
while the locamotive
Wails
on back
A cry
for a cry
In the
smoke and the lamp
Of the
hard ass night
That's
how I
fee-
eel---
That's how
I fee---eel!
That's
how
I feel---
What a
deal!
Yes I'm
goin ho
o
ome
Jack
Kerouac- Book of Blues-38th Chorus
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From: Levi Asher
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Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
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<970525133225_453294080@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "Jerry
Cimino"
at May 25, 97 01:32:25 pm
Jerry
Cimino wrote:
> My
wife couldn't stand the beats either when we first got married. I think
>
it's got to do with that "he's gonna run off and sow his wild oats leaving
me
>
stuck at home alone" female thing.
Can't imagine why any woman would think
>
that about people like Neal Cassady?
>
>
Now she's involved in a business where she's talking beat everyday. She
>
really focused in on the women writers, Hettie Jones, Joyce Johnson, Diane
>
DiPrima, Carolyn etc and it turned her around.
She especially enjoyed the
>
new Women & the BG recently released.
Mine is
coming around bit by bit too. She
really likes listening
to
"Kicks Joy Darkness" (that new Rykodisk CD) for instance, whereas
I was
lukewarm. But that's just because Patti
Smith is on it, I
think
...
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Memory Babe Archive
At
06:08 PM 5/25/97 EDT, you wrote:
>Gerry,
how many of the 300 people you interviewed do you still have addresses f
>or? Why not write a form letter and try to get
their permission to open their
>letters
and tapes now? Maybe all of us at
Beat-l could help you contact people
>
who are hard to find? We maight not
locate everyone but we sure could make a
>dent
and open up a huge chunk of the archive.
Seems to me to be a better alter
>native
than another law suit.
>
>
Bill, May 25, 1997
What you suggest is a lot easier said
than done. A large no. of the
people
(after 20 years) are no longer where they were when I interviewed
them. Of the 100 who are dead, I know the
whereabouts of the heirs of only
a
handful.
Even with those that remain, if I get
a letter to them, I can
guarantee
you that 50% would not answer. This is
just standard with any
mailing. A lot of people won't sign their name to
anything, even if they
gave me
an interview with full cooperation 20 years ago.
What you must understand is that at
any other library, these tapes
would
be listenable to, as they are right now.
There is also the matter that Lowell
is refusing to duplicate the
tapes,
to put them on fresh tape stock, and of course they won't digitalize
them. So the tapes, if kept at Lowell, will be
deteriorated too badly to
even
listen to in another five to fifteen years (some tapes will last
longer,
some are almost gone already).
Then there is the matter of the 2,000
xeroxed Kerouac letters, which
also
would be fully available at any other library.
Bancroft, Texas, etc.,
show
Kerouac's letters every day to scholars without Sampas's permission,
despite
his attempts at interference.
And U Mass, Lowell, itself, made the
MEMORY BABE archive fully
available
to scholars till 1995, when Mr. Sampas brought his complaint to them.
There is the further concern of
materials disappearing every year
from
the MEMORY BABE archive.
In light of all that, I don't see that
I have any choice but a lawsuit.
If you have further thoughts, let me
know.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Levi Asher
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Subject: Re: Lies, Money, and VIdeotape
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.PTX.3.91.970524203852.6190A-100000@odin.cc.pdx.edu> from
"Steve Smith a.k.a. Whiskey
Wordsmith" at May 24, 97 08:58:31 pm
Steve
Smith wrote:
>
levi and friends: "start going with the flow"???? bullshit. that's
the
>
rap weasels the world over use. it's a cop-out. it's the kind of thing
>
that's said when people are sitting on the lawn, way far out there away
>
from passion and the "real" world, if you will. there is no question
that i
Hah, as
if it were that easy to be away from passion and the real
world. Show me the way to free myself of passion
and the real world ...
That's
why I do yoga -- if only I could succeed ...
>
zero in on nicosia as the "bad" guy. levi, you say some very wise
things
> a
lot of the time--and you have a boffo web site--but quit the whining
>
about nicosia. if you hate the back and
forth poison re: the estate
Thanks
for the compliments, and okay, whatever.
>
battle, why not get on anstee and chaput, too??? the couple of times i've
>
read posts reZ: the estate thing, you've been on nicosia's case. perhaps
> i
am being a bit simplistic here, but ....
Nicosia
has an awesome reputation as a world-class scholar to uphold.
Obviously,
I hold him to higher standards. That's
the way *I* show
my
respect. If I'm being too harsh, well,
he said he was here to
answer
questions, so I asked some!
>
anything he wants. if we can think lisa rabey's rap on cocksucking is
>
okay for the list, why whip out the cattleprods when nicosia et al go
>
back and forth on the estate thing?
Cause
it was funny! Hey, if some of you were
really enjoying this
battle,
sorry for the interruption. I didn't
realize it was
such a
thrilling match. I remember an old line
in a National
Lampoon
article in the 70's, after David Bowie and Lou Reed were
photographed
fist-fighting in a nightclub -- the writer of this
article
claimed that he was there, and said that despite reports
of the
fight being like Ali-vs.-Frazier, it was more like
watching
"two old ladies patting out fires on each other's
bellies". For whatever that image is worth ...
I'm
outta here for the night ... happy Memorial Day
everybody.
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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
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http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
(the beat literature web site)
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Subject: Re: Who was that guy?
In-Reply-To: <3385FBFD.B6F115E4@scsn.net> from
"R. Bentz Kirby" at May 23,
97 04:20:13 pm
Bentz
wrote (a few days ago):
>
Who was the guy who did a comic strip/book, Never Eat Anything Bigger
>
Than Your Head?
B.
Kliban. Famous for drawing cartoons of
cats. Died a few years
ago. Not sure if Beat or not, probably so.
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Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
(the beat literature web site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock album)
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"Tie yourself to a tree with roots"
-- Bob Dylan
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:51:22 -0400
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
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Subject: Re: Memory Babe Archive
Gerry:
If the
letters etc of Jack's were mailed, wouldn't the person who
received
the letters have control of them. Even
though I am a lawyer, I
am a
little confused by all of this and would like to get it straight.
If the
letters were mailed, and then given to you and then to the
library,
it seems to me that Sampas would have nothing to say about any
of this
at all. And, does anyone out there know
if and how letters are
covered
by copyright. What gets them out of the
control of someone and
into
the right of fair use.
Just
curious.
Peace,
Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
> At
06:08 PM 5/25/97 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Gerry, how many of the 300 people you interviewed do you still have
>
addresses f
>
>or? Why not write a form letter and
try to get their permission to
>
open their
>
>letters and tapes now? Maybe all of
us at Beat-l could help you
>
contact people
>
> who are hard to find? We maight
not locate everyone but we sure
>
could make a
>
>dent and open up a huge chunk of the archive. Seems to me to be a
>
better alter
>
>native than another law suit.
>
>
>
>
>
Bill, May 25, 1997
>
> What you suggest is a lot easier said
than done. A large no.
> of
the
>
people (after 20 years) are no longer where they were when I
>
interviewed
>
them. Of the 100 who are dead, I know
the whereabouts of the heirs of
>
only
> a
handful.
> Even with those that remain, if I get
a letter to them, I can
>
guarantee you that 50% would not answer.
This is just standard with
>
any
>
mailing. A lot of people won't sign
their name to anything, even if
>
they
>
gave me an interview with full cooperation 20 years ago.
> What you must understand is that at
any other library, these
>
tapes
> would
be listenable to, as they are right now.
> There is also the matter that Lowell
is refusing to duplicate
>
the
>
tapes, to put them on fresh tape stock, and of course they won't
>
digitalize
>
them. So the tapes, if kept at Lowell,
will be deteriorated too badly
> to
>
even listen to in another five to fifteen years (some tapes will last
>
longer, some are almost gone already).
> Then there is the matter of the 2,000
xeroxed Kerouac letters,
>
which
>
also would be fully available at any other library. Bancroft, Texas,
>
etc.,
>
show Kerouac's letters every day to scholars without Sampas's
>
permission,
>
despite his attempts at interference.
> And U Mass, Lowell, itself, made the
MEMORY BABE archive fully
>
>
available to scholars till 1995, when Mr. Sampas brought his complaint
> to
them.
> There is the further concern of
materials disappearing every
>
year
>
from the MEMORY BABE archive.
> In light of all that, I don't see
that I have any choice but a
>
lawsuit.
> If you have further thoughts, let me
know.
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:06:39 -0700
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From: David McClusky
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Subject: Beat Generation
Hello
everyone!
I am
new to this group (and the Beat Generation) and I hope to get a
little
more educated on the subject.
Right
now, I am working on a school essay on the Beat Generation and the
counter-culture
movement of the '50s. Specifically, I
am exploring the
following
questions-- What were the specific causes of this movement?
How can
"On the Road" be seen as a critique of 1950s American society?
Does
this critique have any validity?
To
anyone that can help with these questions-- thanks alot!
David McClusky
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From: PAM <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>
Subject: Jay Pendergast
Jay was
a historian in every way. Jay was a reader of Joyce. Jay was a
drinking
buddy of Jack's. Jay supported and enthused my idea of a "Kerouac
Quarterly."
I remember sitting with Jay sipping a beautiful blend of whiskey
as we
discussed literature and art as the fires burned in his warm, cozy
house
and the Merrimac River seeping in December in his backyard bobbing
with
mallards. Jay told me that Kerouac had him play "Moon River about
thirty
times" at Nicky's on the jukebox. Jay was the embodiment of what I
emulate
to be...a reader, learner, writer, educator, and sincere friend. I
will
miss him tremendously. On Friday...May 23rd he was happy that my first
issue
of the Kerouac Quarterly was successful and that he wanted to
contribute
more. He has contributed in more ways than one. His spirit, his
vigor,
his sincere interest in what I was doing saw me through the
completion
of my first publication.....your friend and fellow Lowellian,
Paul....
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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:13:29 -0700
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: Tony's Story and Gerry's
May
25, 1997
Antoine
Maloney writes:
"I can only imagine the kind of
stories your Dad had to tell. Did
he ever
talk about whether his Italianess (word?) was recognized and what
kinds
of reactions he got? ...Was all your father's traveling on the road or
did he
ride the rails as well? Was he going to
California to work or just
to
go?"
Dear
Antoine:
My father left Chicago at age 17
because he wanted to be like Jack
London. He mostly hitchhiked, rode the rails only a
little, mostly because
he
didn't like the danger of it (Kerouac was afraid of train wheels too,
you'll
recall), and later took a tramp steamer from San Francisco to Los
Angeles--after
cutting up to Spokane, Washington, to pick apples, where he
hung
out with Sad Slim Smith who owned Sad Slim Smith's Super Service
Station,
Spokane (true story).
Ironically, he made this trip with his
fast-talking, womanizing
buddy
(sound familiar?), another Italian from Chicago named Steve Ferrara.
Eventually the magnet of home pulled
him back to Illinois, and he
returned
to his widowed mother (sound even more familiar?).
As for his being and speaking Italian,
it served him well in North
Beach,
San Francisco, which in 1927 was just an Italian fishermen's village
at the
northern tip of San Francisco. It gives
me great satisfaction to
think
of my dad, a young man of 17, walking Grant Avenue in North Beach 20
years
before Kerouac got there. Of course in
those days there were no Beat
coffeehouses,
no "finger-poppin' daddies" (a la Lord Buckley), just real
Italian
bars and cafes and spaghetti houses.
He left me a couple of photo albums
filled with snapshots from those
days in
San Francisco, North Beach, the Barbary coast, and the sand dunes of
the
Sunset District, where he and his friend boarded in the house of a widow
named
Mrs. Miller.
My favorite story of his from those
times was how, when he first got
to San
Francisco, he was almost broke and desperately needed work. He
applied
for a busboy job at the States Cafe, a very popular restaurant
downtown. It had 48 booths, each one named for a state
of the union. He
had
pulled his old trick from Chicago, of tearing up the "Help Wanted"
sign
before
going inside, but they told him that he could only work there if he
owned
an all-white busboy's uniform. Knowing
he couldn't afford to buy one,
he was
about to leave down-hearted, when a little Chinese guy, about my
dad's
height and weight, walked up and made him an offer.
The Chinese guy said he an extra
busboy's uniform. It was dirty
now,
but if my dad would have it cleaned and starched, he could wear it till
he
earned enough money to buy his own.
And that was how my dad got his first job in San Francisco. They
paid
him thirty silver dollars a month, and at the end of the month he
bought
his own uniform and returned the Chinese guy's uniform cleaned and
starched. And they remained good friends for the rest
of his stay in San
Francisco.
All of which has touched me in a
special way, since in 1995, long
after
my dad's death, I went to An Hui Province in China to adopt an orphan
girl
named Wu Ji. Considering the strange
karmic connections in this world,
I
sometimes wonder if maybe Wu Ji is a distant relative of that Chinese
busboy
who helped my dad.
By the way, you always end with a
quote from Utah Phillips. He's a
buddy
of mine (he performed at the big benefit concert for Jan Kerouac in
1995),
and we both had the same mentor: a one-armed Spanish Civil War
veteran
from Chicago named Eddy Balchowsky, who played the meanest one-armed
piano
you've ever heard. Utah wrote a great
song about him, after hearing
Eddy
play Beethoven's MOONLIGHT SONATA one-handed.
The song starts: "One
Hand on
the Keyboard, and Moonlight Fills the Room...."
All for now. Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: a calm request
..., it
has nothing to do with
>his
archieves, its a damn pissing contest/whose got the bigger balls and
>the
rest of the nonsense. Its pure bullshit. Get off your ego trip and
>realize THAT truth.
>
>
>Lisa
M. Rabey
>Internet
and Computer Consultant
>San
Francisco, California
>http://the.art.of.sekurity.org/simunye
>**************************************
>General
man-hating bitchy "i know more than you" chick.
>
Dear
Lisa, May 25, 1997
I am here on the Beat-List only
because of the need to preserve Jack
Kerouac's
archives. It has turned into a pissing
contest because that is
what
Mr. Chaput and Mr. Anstee wanted it to become.
They have effectively
killed
the discussion of what Sampas is doing with the archives and why, if
he
really intends to put them into a library, he has not signed even a
statement
of intention in 6 years. They don't
want me talking about things
like
that, so they call me names and accuse me of various crimes, and then I
answer
them back, etc. etc.
Well here's my deal, Lisa, I'll just
quite answering their bullshit
charges,
and just keep posting the truth as I see it.
Maybe some day
someone
from "the other side" will appear to argue this thing out
rationally,
and give us some hard facts about what Mr. Sampas is doing and
plans
to do--rather than just calling me names and saying what a bad person
I am.
By the way, Paul Maher's list from the
NY Public Library shows that
they do
not own all the versions of even one Kerouac book (published or
unpublished). A scholar who analyzes a work needs
everything from the first
notes
thru first second and third drafts, and then the galleys. Kerouac
typed
several versions of every published book.
The NY Public has acquired
only
early notebook drafts of some individual books, and they have not even
one
complete version of Kerouac's seven most important books: ON THE ROAD,
THE
DHARMA BUMS, DR. SAX, VISIONS OF GERARD, VISIONS OF CODY, VANITY OF
DULUOZ,
and DESOLATION ANGELS.
This is what we should be talking
about.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: a calm request
Dear
Lisa, May 25, 1997
Excuse me, make that EIGHT of
KEROUAC'S MOST IMPORTANT BOOKS that
the New
York Public Library has NOT EVEN ONE COMPLETE DRAFT OF:
I forgot to add: they don't have a
scrap of THE SUBTERRANEANS either.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: meesters chaput & nicosia
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really
appreciated yr memories shared. .
mc
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Frank O'Hara, a poetry.
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"Why I Am Not A
Painter" by Frank O'Hara
I am not a painter, I am a poet.
Why? I think I would rather be
a painter, but I am not. Well,
for instance, Mike Goldberg
is starting a painting. i drop
in
"Sit down and have a ddrink"
he
says. I drink; we drink. I look
up. "You have SARDINES in
it"
"Yes, it needed sometime
there"
"Oh." I go and days go by
and I drop in again. The painting
is going on, and I go, and the
days
go by, I drop in. The painting is
finished. "Where's
SARDINES?"
All that's left is just
letters, "It was too much", Mike says.
But me? One day I am thinking of
a color: orange. I write a line
about orange. Pretty soon it is a
whole page of words, not lines.
Then another page. There should
be
so much more, not of orange, of
words, of how terrible orange is
and life. Days go by. It is even
in
prose, I am a real poet. My poem
is finished and I haven't
mentioned
orange yet. It's twelve poems, I
call
it ORANGES. And one day in a
gallery
I see Mike's painting, called
SARDINES.
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Beat and Marriage
Levi
Asher wrote:
>
>
Jerry Cimino wrote:
>
> My wife couldn't stand the beats either when we first got married. I think
>
> it's got to do with that "he's gonna run off and sow his wild oats
leaving
me
>
> stuck at home alone" female thing.
Can't imagine why any woman would think
>
> that about people like Neal Cassady?
>
>
>
> Now she's involved in a business where she's talking beat everyday. She
>
> really focused in on the women writers, Hettie Jones, Joyce Johnson, Diane
>
> DiPrima, Carolyn etc and it turned her around. She especially enjoyed the
>
> new Women & the BG recently released.
>
>
Mine is coming around bit by bit too.
She really likes listening
> to
"Kicks Joy Darkness" (that new Rykodisk CD) for instance, whereas
> I
was lukewarm. But that's just because
Patti Smith is on it, I
>
think ...
>
>
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> Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
>
> Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
> (the beat literature web site)
>
> Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
> (my fantasy folk-rock album)
>
> ###################################
>
> "Tie yourself to a tree with
roots"
> -- Bob Dylan
>
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 05:37:55 -0500
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Lies, Money, and VIdeotape
Levi
Asher wrote:
>
>
Steve Smith wrote:
>
> levi and friends: "start going with the flow"???? bullshit.
that's the
>
> rap weasels the world over use. it's a cop-out. it's the kind of thing
>
> that's said when people are sitting on the lawn, way far out there away
>
> from passion and the "real" world, if you will. there is no
question that i
>
>
Hah, as if it were that easy to be away from passion and the real
>
world. Show me the way to free myself
of passion and the real world ...
>
That's why I do yoga -- if only I could succeed ...
>
Moving
to Kansas is a decent attempt too!
Hope
everyone Remembers the right things on Memorial Day.
david
rhaesa
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Subject: Re: Lowell author-Jay Pendergast
In a
message dated 97-05-26 00:01:30 EDT, you write:
>
May 25,1997
> Lowell author and friend of Jack Kerouac,
Jay Pendergast died unexpectedly
> this afternoon. Jay had just written a story
about Jack in Paul Maher's
> premiere issue of the "Kerouac
Quarterly" his painting that Jack had given
> him personally what I called "Beatnik
Jesus" was on the cover. He was an
> educator that taught English, Irish and
American Literature as well as
> History, Writing and Anthropology courses.
This is
truly sad news, I took Jay's Speech Course last summer, and it had to
be one
of my
best classes of all time. We would
listen Jay for whole class
sessions,
telling
us
about his time in Ireland, doing archaeological digs in the Merrimack
area,
the
many
famous people he has encountered in his amazing life - I remember
wanting
to
rush
out into my backyard and dig for bones!
He was one of the most
fascinating
people
i've ever met. Probably the greatest
storyteller. I'll always
remember,
as long
as I
live, how he encouraged me to write - enthusiastically explaining how
great
it is,
just to
write a book and have it published, and see people paying money to
read
your
words -
getting those small checks from the publisher, etc. In fact, I
bought
Jay's
book,
"The Bend in the River" as a gift for my dad for father's day. Jay
was
truly an amazing man, and I'm very glad to have had the opportunity to
know
him.
Jeff