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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Paul Maher
Paul, I
gotta tell ya buddy, you're showing your true colors with that last
post of
yours. For a guy who three days ago
said he'd had enough and even
sent a
message saying "unsubscribe" you sure have a whole lot to say about
nothing.
Paul,
some of us were hoping to keep the *debate* at a reasonable level
during
the cease fire of the Memorial Day weekend.
Obviously you don't want
to do
your part as evidenced by the general nastiness of your tone.
"Scholar?" Paul, I hardly think so given the level to
which you have sunk
here.
Say
something useful, Paul, instead of general namecalling! I asked you a
week
ago why you thought Gabrielle's signature was real as opposed to faked
since
you're one of the few people on the list to have actually seen the
will. Why can't you answer questions put to you?
Jerry
Cimino
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Subject: Clarification
I have
received several back channel posts here.
First, I intend to
write
Lowell and find out about the letters.
Not as a lawyer, but as a
fan. Why?
Because there was a post here by Rod today that said that
Gerry sold
restricted documents to UMass Lowell and that UMass Lowell
bought
them. I want to know the answer. And if Gerry did that, then I
want to
know should he have done that? Was it
legal?
If Rod
has proof that it was done, then he should offer the proof. Not
state
what his assumption is. This is not
some comment on well, I think
Jimi
Hendrix was high at such and such a festival.
And then finding out
he was
not. It was a direct statement that
Gerry had done a thing that
was not
right and in violation of a statemen printed on the document.
Now,
since we can't look at the documents at Lowell, then we must do
what? I don't know what else to do but write the
woman and ask her if
Rod is
correct. Or Rod can answer on the list
and give the information
that
shows what he says is correct. If he is
not correct, then I want
to see
it clarified.
Another
thing, I am not Gerry's attorney. I am
not his agent. If the
time
comes that I enter into a contract with him to do any legal work, I
will inform
the list and will not post on his matters on this list. If
I were
his attorney I would not be posting on this list. All of what I
am
doing is as a fan of Kerouac. Now, if
Rod is right, and there is no
explanation,
I would not want to get involved. But
if Rod is wrong,
then it
should be clarified. I will post the
letter tonight or tomorrow
when it
is ready.
I have
received other back channel mail with links to explain some
things
to me, I will check it out.
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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From: Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: "Purchased" versus
"Donated"
I'm off
out in a few minutes to coach soccer, but I wanted, if possible, to
nip
this thread in the bud, albeit somewhat belatedly. It seems I used the
word
"purchased" in regard to the 2000 xeroxed letters in the MB Archive,
when
"donated' would have been a more appropriate word. I apologize for this
-- in
my defense, I would say only that I don't think this distinction has
ever
been made previously in regards to the contents of the MB Archive, i.e.
between
the "purchased" contents and the "donated" contents. In any
event,
the
statement I quoted from, that was stamped upon the 1952 JK to AG letter
I mentioned earlier today, surely also
precludes the subsequent "donating"
of such
material, so the point I was trying to make still stands -- the
presence
of this class of material in the MB archive creates a problematical
situation
for the administrating of the collection. Again, quite apart from
any
Sampas pressure. I don't think that's an unfair statement, is it?
Just to
makes things even more clear, as regards to my confusion. This is a
quotation
from the covering letter (dated 12 February, 1987) you sent to me
with
the list of what you earlier today referred to as your "research
archive."
You
wrote:
"This
CATALOGUE (emphasis mine) is privileged information, and I ask that you
not
pass it around. Anyone interested should deal directly with me."
I guess
I took "catalogue" to mean a list of items for sale.
Also,
in the matter of your attempts to place the archive in other
institutions,
in a later letter, dated 3 May, 1987 you further wrote:
"It
looks like I might be selling the whole lot to Jeffrey Weinberg of
Sudbury
Mass -- I would rather have sold it to an institution or library, but
NONE
(emphasis yours, actually!) of them could come up with even five
thousand
bucks (though U of Texas had just spent seventeen MILLION on some
weird
collection -- ,...."
As for
your help, down through the years, yes of course you have been an
invaluable
help in my occasional scholarly forays -- I have certainly never
denied
this, or even diminished its importance. I hereby thank you publicly,
if that
is what is required -- I know, however, that I thanked you privately
every
step of the way. You know that my quarrels with you in the past month
or so,
focus specifically on the issue of the JK archive, and whether you
represent
a Kerouacian's best friend in this regard, or whether your
continued
involvment in this issue isn't actually counter-productive. That's
all. I
believe the latter. I know many others disagree. That's fine.
Again,
I apologize for using "purchased" instead of "donated" in
my post
earlier
today. My point -- I thought a very
mild one, actually -- still
stands
though Gerry.
CHEERS,
Rod
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: to Kirby
R.
Bentz Kirby wrote: . . .
>
> I
am investigating assisting him on the Lowell matter and what can be
>
done to preserve the tapes. That is all
so far.
>
> My
point here was not to be threatening, but to make sure that people
>
understand that you just can not make posts like this that imply he has
>
done something wrong and has ilegally sold materials that were
>
restricted, unless you are right.
>
Mr.
Kirby,
Like
others I am somewhat confused by your role in this. Are you
1--trying
to catch up on this matter and come to your own independant
judgement?
2--acting
as a current or potential attorney for Mr. Nicosia?
3--trying
to improve our collective debating habits from the vantage
point
of your legal profession?
I am
not in your business so can't provide
an expert prospective, but
if you
looking at a lawyer client relationship with Nicosia are you
using
the list to
1
research your case?
2 argue
that case, the way attorney's try to use the media outside
trials?
I'm
stumped. It seems to me that if I
thought I would be working on
this I
would keep my mouth shut and my powder dry for court. It feels
like
what you are doing is pouring gasoline on a situation that looked
over
the weekend to be cooling. Mr Nicosia
and Mr. Chaput were actually
talking
about memories of Kerouac. Real
improvement I thought. No
we're
back to yelling and name calling.
Are we
supposed to watch our posts because you might drag us into court?
I
welcome anyone into any of these discussions, but I certainly didn't
anticipate
that we needed someone to constantly insert their legal
function
into the discussion. Nobody asked for a
court appointed
arbitor. I don't think anyone wants to come to this
list accompanied by
their
lawyers. Let's get back to talking
about the beats. If you are
here to
talk about the beats, fine, join in. If
you are here as a
lawyer
for some party on the list, my own personal wish is that you
dissapear
and let us get back to what we used to do
We
sometimes used to have little spats on this list, but nothing like
this
Estate nightmare. If another member
disagrees with me I have no
intention
of suing them. Enough already. My recollection is that
Gerery
Nicosia brought this fight to this list.
Some of us apparantly
love
it, some of us are sick of it (count me in the latter group.) But
nobody
else has brought his or her lawyer.
J
Stauffer
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: SAMPAS WHO? Re: a calm request
In-Reply-To:
<199705260519.WAA07591@sweden.it.earthlink.net>
At
22.19 25/05/97 -0700, Gerry wrote:
>...,
it has nothing to do with
>>his
archieves, its a damn pissing contest/whose got the bigger balls and
>>the
rest of the nonsense. Its pure bullshit. Get off your ego trip and
>>realize THAT truth.
>>
>>
>>Lisa
M. Rabey
>Dear
Lisa, May 25, 1997
>
> I am here on the Beat-List only
because of the need to preserve Jack
>Kerouac's
archives. It has turned into a pissing
contest because that is
>what
Mr. Chaput and Mr. Anstee wanted it to become.
They have effectively
>killed
the discussion of what Sampas is doing with the archives and why, if
>he
really intends to put them into a library, he has not signed even a
>statement
of intention in 6 years. They don't
want me talking about things
>like
that, so they call me names and accuse me of various crimes, and then I
>answer
them back, etc. etc.
> Well here's my deal, Lisa, I'll just
quite answering their bullshit
>charges,
and just keep posting the truth as I see it.
Maybe some day
>someone
from "the other side" will appear to argue this thing out
>rationally,
and give us some hard facts about what Mr. Sampas is doing and
>plans
to do--rather than just calling me names and saying what a bad person
>I
am.
> By the way, Paul Maher's list from the
NY Public Library shows that
>they
do not own all the versions of even one Kerouac book (published or
>unpublished). A scholar who analyzes a work needs
everything from the first
>notes
thru first second and third drafts, and then the galleys. Kerouac
>typed
several versions of every published book.
The NY Public has acquired
>only
early notebook drafts of some individual books, and they have not even
>one
complete version of Kerouac's seven most important books: ON THE ROAD,
>THE
DHARMA BUMS, DR. SAX, VISIONS OF GERARD, VISIONS OF CODY, VANITY OF
>DULUOZ,
and DESOLATION ANGELS.
> This is what we should be talking
about.
> Best, Gerry Nicosia
>
>
i think
that Gerry, il mio paesano Gerry, is right/
why i
am writing about this matter? i have under my nose
the
"Rolling Stone" issue 759 may 1,1997 pag.58 & by
pure
coincidence there is an ad like this:
You
haven't
heard
Jack yet.
Kerouac
kicks
joy darkness
with
performances by
Morfine
Lydia Lunch
Michael Stipe
Steven Tyler
Hunter S. Thompson
Maggie Estep
& the Spitters
Richard Kewis
Lawrence Ferlinghetti
&Helium
Jack Kerouac
& Joe Strummer
Allen Ginsberg
Eddie Vedder,
Campbell 2000
& Sadie 7
William Burroughs
& tomandandy
Juliana Hatfield
John Cale
Johnny Depp & Come
Robert Hunter
Lee Ranaldo
& Dana Colley
Anna Domino
Rob Buck & Danny Chauvin
as Hitchhiker
Patti Smith
with Thurston Moore
& Lenny Kaye
Warren Zevon
& Michael Wolff
Jim Carroll with
Lee Ranaldo, Lenny Kaye
& Anton Sanco
Matt Dillon
with Joey Altruda
Inger Lorre & Jeff Buckley
Eric Andersen
In stores April 8th
Produced by Jim Sampas
Associate Producer: Lee Ranaldo
my
question is Sampas mentioned above is
that
Sampas who Nicosia is referring in his
posts?
by way of this Sampas i immediatley got
a
negative feedback (like a pavlov dog) to such
a work
despite the excellent pedigree of performers
how
much money is rolling out ?
the
works of Jack Kerouac who
is
universal maybe free to the people not (c)
or
other e.g. can the pope damage the "Cappella
Sistina"
? he is the owner can the concil town of
Rome
destroy the "Fontana di Trevi" ? he is the
owner
BUT everyone know that this works of the
human
mankind are really NOT owner of a single
person
i hope,
i miei
piu' cari saluti a tutti,
yrs
Rinaldo Rasa.
* hi!
guardate che scrivo dall'Italia, da un altro mondo! *
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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: "Purchased" versus
"Donated"
You
know, Rod, I for one am extremely uncomfortable that you're using private
letters
between you and Nicosia to try to bolster some argument that doesn't
have a
thing to do with THE KEROUAC ARCHIVES which is the main issue here.
Bentz is right. A person of honor would not do such a thing!
You
know, Rod, Gerry Nicosia is the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD trying to do
anything
about Kerouac's Archive. As a person
who says he cares about such
things
I really don't see why you feel it is necessary to blast him publicly
every
chance you get, often in some very shady ways.
Jerry
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Post on Archives
May
26, 1997
Paul
Maher writes:
"I was under the impression that
it [the woman from Connecticut] was
Bernice
Lemire."
Nice try, Paul. No, Bernice lives in Boston. The reason her thesis
is not
available is that someone stole it out of the Boston College archive.
Luckily
I obtained a (legal) copy of it and put the copy in my archive.
Now, if
only my archive were open, you could go over there and use it.
-- Gerry
"blight to academia" Nicosia
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Subject: Letter to Mayo
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This is
the letter to Mayo. I intend to mail it
tomorrow.
I am
doing this as a fan.
Peace,
If you
have a better idea, let me know.
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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May 26,
1997
Martha
Mayo
Special
Collections Librarian
University
of Massachusetts, Lowell
The
Mogan Center
40
French Street
Lowell,
MA 01854
RE:
Kerouac Letters from Columbia University Archives
Subject:
Gerry Nicosia Archives
Dear Ms
Mayo:
I am a
long time fan of Jack Kerouac. Some
weeks ago, an Internet friend of
mine suggested that I join the beat mail
list. I finally did and was quite
surprised at what I found. One of the main themes seems to be a Sampas
vs
Nicosia situation. There are included as three posts from the Internet/www
mail list, one from Rod Anstee and two of my
replies. These posts will likely
mean little to you, as these things are out
of context and more important to
the ones involved.
However
there is one thing that you can clarify.
Mr. Anstee says to Mr. Nicosia
that "In a way I am quite surprised, in
retrospect, that Martha Mayo agreed to
purchase these in the first place, knowing
that many of them (originals) are
the property of other libraries." He goes on to then state that Gerry Nicosia
sold to your library a photocopy of a letter
from Jack Kerouac to Allen
Ginsberg dated April 8, 1952 even though it
has the instructions on it that the
copy is to be returned to Columbia
University.
It is my
understanding that we are not allowed to view the collection or hear
the recordings deposited there. Therefore, I am writing to you to inquire
whether the items purchased by your library
do in fact include this letter and
other such items, that belong to other
Universities and are marked in such a
fashion.
If so, can you tell me what letters are so marked and whether or not
the sale and purchase is in fact legal,
illegal, questionable or what.
I am
going to post a copy of this letter to the mail list. If you do write in
reply, please do so with the understanding
that any reply will be posted as
well.
And, if you will not reply, please tell me how I can confirm whether or
not this is in fact true.
Thank
you and with kind personal regards, I am
Sincerely,
Bentz
Kirby
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Re: "Purchased" versus
"Donated"
.... In any event, the statement I quoted from,
that was stamped upon the
1952 JK
to AG letter
> I
mentioned earlier today, surely also precludes the subsequent
"donating"
>of
such material, so the point I was trying to make still stands -- the
>presence
of this class of material in the MB archive creates a problematical
>situation
for the administrating of the collection....
>
>Also,
in the matter of your attempts to place the archive in other
>institutions,
in a later letter, dated 3 May, 1987 you further wrote:
>
>"It
looks like I might be selling the whole lot to Jeffrey Weinberg of
>Sudbury
Mass -- I would rather have sold it to an institution or library, but
>NONE
(emphasis yours, actually!) of them could come up with even five
>thousand
bucks (though U of Texas had just spent seventeen MILLION on some
>weird
collection -- ,...."
>
>CHEERS,
Rod
>
Dear
Rod,
Have you no shame? I just get done posting the fact that none
of
the
Kerouac to Ginsberg letters, legally xeroxed from Columbia, have found
their
way into the MEMORY BABE archive at Lowell, and you turn around and
tell me
again that it was illegal for me to sell or donate them to U Mass,
Lowell.
I didn't SELL OR DONATE THEM TO
LOWELL. I DIDN'T PUT THEM IN LOWELL
AT ALL.
DO YOU FINALLY GET IT??? Or are you going to make five more posts
telling
me I shouldn't have put them in Lowell?
OK, now you start quoting my private
letters to you. I figured that
would
come sooner or later. I'm not going to
match you by quoting yours.
Let me just say, it was still a lie
for you to say no one wanted my
archive. In fact, every library I talked to wanted
them; but in those days
nobody
had much money to purchase them.
In fact, I did not like the idea of selling
the archive to Weinberg,
since
he would give me no guarantee about keeping the archive together, SO I
WORKED
HARD TO MAKE A LIBRARY DEAL HAPPEN. I
wrote and called Paul Marion
several
times, to see if we could get U Mass Lowell to come up with a
modicum
of money; and I gave Lowell unusually generous terms, letting them
spread
the payments over three years, with no interest charged, in order to
make
the deal possible.
For shame, Rod! Quit these attacks on me! You know why you're
doing
it, and everybody else knows too. You
want to set me on fire so
people
stop asking what Sampas is doing with the Kerouac archive.
CUT THE BULLSHIT!
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: second try,
The
text file did not work, so I will try html.
Sorry to duplicate this
post. Personally, I am tried of the whole thing
and intend to drop my
end of
thread. I wait to see what Lowell
says.
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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Subject: Litigation Theology
The
problem with lawyers is not that they stink, it's that they come so
highly
and peculiarly perfumed (& not, from the word GO, with Corso's
gasoline).
That's
just MO(loch).
Thanks,
but asking a lawyer to clarify his/her role in anything is like
asking
the Devil in all his/her glory and/or God in all his/her mercy to
speak,
given either's thousand tongues, some of them split, others twisted
around
their own feet.
That's
just my theory of Litigation Theology.
Rertospectively
yrs.,
John M.
Be
cool. And if you cain't be cool, don't
drool.
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Subject: Re: Litigation Theology
John
Mitchell wrote:
>
The problem with lawyers is not that they stink, it's that they come
> so
>
highly and peculiarly perfumed (& not, from the word GO, with Corso's
>
gasoline).
>
>
That's just MO(loch).
>
>
Thanks, but asking a lawyer to clarify his/her role in anything is
>
like
>
asking the Devil in all his/her glory and/or God in all his/her mercy
> to
>
speak, given either's thousand tongues, some of them split, others
>
twisted
>
around their own feet.
>
>
That's just my theory of Litigation Theology.
>
>
Rertospectively yrs.,
>
John M.
> Be
cool. And if you cain't be cool, don't
drool.
ROTFLMAO, even it is aimed at me. Good post John. By the way, were
you kin
to John R. ;-)
--
Bentz
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Subject: Lawyers
I heard
a Spanish proverb which I told my children yesterday:
It is
better to be a mouse in the mouth of a cat, than a man in a
lawyer's
hands.
So
true, but yet, what about in the hands of a used car salesman, or a
vinyl
siding salesman, or well, whatever.
First
thing let's do, is kill all the lawyers.
Paraphrase of William
Shakespear.
Peace,
--
Bentz
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Subject: A Note to the Peacekeepers
Folks,
I'm embarrassed for you. How can you
keep silent allowing Anstee as
well as
Paul Maher to say the things they're saying about Nicosia?
It's
one thing to want to see peace on the list.
That's fine if that's what
you
really want, but these guys are tossing everything but the kitchen sink
at
Nicosia and you sit silent! You should be flooding the list with notes to
Anstee
telling him how off base he is to bring private correspondance in to
this!
Every
person on this list is being party to keeping this thread alive by
allowing
Anstee to get away unscathed with these ridiculous assertions. I
think
Gerry has done remarkably well in maintaining his cool especially in
light
of Paul Maher's vitriolic posts.
Right
is right, people, regardless of what you may think about Nicosia or
"his
cause".
Inaction
is as much of a statement as action is.
Jerry
Cimino
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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Why We Shouldn't Study Kerouac
May 26,
1997
To all
the good and friendly folks on the Beat-List:
(the rest can kiss me ass)
Has anyone noticed how, within a few
weeks, the debate has been
switched
from why we SHOULD be able to study Jack Kerouac (making his
archive
of papers available at a library, etc.) to WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE
TO
STUDY JACK KEROUAC? No one has been
popping at Sampas for selling off
hundreds
of pieces of Jack Kerouac's unique literary archive. Instead, they
have
been popping at me for putting my own scholarly archive, the MEMORY
BABE
archive, on deposit at U Mass, Lowell, to help people study Jack
Kerouac's
life and works.
I.e., I'm the bad guy because I tried to make my huge body of
scholarly
research materials available to other writers and students. The
very
thing I am asking Sampas to do is now an evil thing.
Have I walked thru the Looking
Glass? Is Rod Anstee the Mad Hatter?
Hey,
what's going on here, folks?
Is it an accident that we're now
debating if Nicosia broke the law
by
putting his archive in a library, instead of asking if Sampas has a moral
right
to destroy the integrity of Jack Kerouac's archive? I don't think
it's an
accident--not by a long shot. It's
serving someone's purpose.
Doesn't
take a genius to figure out whose.
I used to think pro basketball was a
hot sport till I got into the
business
of trying to save the Kerouac Archive.
In the space of four weeks
here
I've been accused of breaking the law by both Phil Chaput and Rod
Anstee--neither
of whom has produced a shred of evidence to substantiate
their
charges. Mr. Anstee has even had to INVENT EVIDENCE, claiming I sold
letters
xeroxed from Columbia University (which could not legally be resold)
to
Lowell, when I NEITHER SOLD NOR DONATED THOSE LETTERS TO LOWELL. I NEVER
PUT
THEM IN LOWELL AT ALL. PERIOD.
I have also been called every name in
the book--the last set of
volleys
comes from Paul Maher, Jr., another Sampas apologist, whose claim
to fame
is to have stolen fifty rare books on the raising of silk worms from
the
Mogan Center, the same building leased by U Mass, Lowell, from which key
parts
of the MEMORY BABE archive were also stolen.
Mr. Chaput tells me to "fuck
myself" (a pleasant experience
according
to Lenny Bruce), and Mr. Maher calls me "a scourge upon serious
Kerouac
scholarship" and "a blight to academia" and "a fly on a
mountain of
shit." Coming from those two, I guess I should
figure I've been complimented.
All these folks stand to gain
something from Mr. Sampas.
Maher needs material for his new
Kerouac Quarterly, and from all
appearances,
Sampas has been giving it to him.
Anstee already purchased major items
from the Kerouac Archive for
his
private collection, which have gone up tremendously in value, and he
would
doubtless like to purchase some more.
He would also like to keep me
from
proving Gabrielle Kerouac's will a forgery, because that would force
him to
surrender the Kerouac items he purchased at fairly steep
prices--since
if the will was no good, then John Sampas would have sold
those
things without a clear title to them.
Chaput is connected with Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!--a committee
partly
financed by John Sampas, and which, from what I hear, takes its
directions
almost exclusively from Sampas. Does
Phil get paid for his work
for
LCK!, or does he just get the percs of meeting famous people and getting
to act
important? I don't know, but you can
bet he's getting something out
of
posting information here that is spoon-fed to him by Sampas.
Chaput got almost everything he put up
here from Sampas, including
the
figures from Jan Kerouac's income tax returns, which could only have
come
from Sterling Lord, Mr. Sampas's and Ms. Kerouac's joint agent (unless
Sampas
has a mole inside the IRS). But CHAPUT
WAS TOO COWARDLY TO ANSWER MY
QUESTION
ABOUT THE SOURCE OF THOSE INCOME TAX RETURNS, BECAUSE IT EITHER
MEANT
THAT MR. SAMPAS HAD GOTTEN THEM ILLEGALLY OR ELSE STERLING LORD
(SAMPAS'S
AGENT) HAD BREACHED HIS FIDUCIARY DUTY TO JAN KEROUAC BY RELEASING
THEM. C'mon, Phil, c'mon out of hiding. Who gave you Jan's income tax
forms? Mr. Sampas or Mr. Lord? Which one of them is in trouble?
What?
Your tongue tied for a change?
Good folks, I'm really tired of all
this bullshit. I plan one more
post,
later today, to expose the absolutely FALSE CLAIM that the Jack
Kerouac
Archive is in the New York Public Library already.
Then I'm taking off for a while.
There are some good people here who
can stick up for the
truth--Jerry
Cimino, Joe Grant, and Bentz Kirby among others. I need a
break
to get back to my real work--writing books, and advocating for the
right
to study Jack Kerouac's papers, in court, which is the only place such
advocacy
will really count.
By the way, I've been accused of
hiring these folks as "mouthpieces"
for
me. I've never met either Grant or
Kirby. Jerry I met only twice, once
when he
asked me to come down to his bookstore in Monterey to lecture about
Kerouac,
and the other time for a few seconds in Washington Square Park in
New
York, when I gave him a free ticket to the Beat Conference Town Hall
Concert.
If they're supporting me, they're
doing it from conscience, since I
sure
don't have any money left (after 10 months of double litigation) to pay
them.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
At
06:44 PM 5/26/97 -0400, Jerry wrote:
>Inaction
is as much of a statement as action is.
Hmm,
I've been holding off from getting off this list
for a
couple daze now, due to the lack of interesting
discussion
(not saying the Estate/Archive thread isn't
interesting,
just seems to be more hot air than anything
relevant). Now, we are being accused of not speaking
up/sticking
up enuff for members on this list. I
find this
quite
interesting, considering I don't see any innocent
parties
in this debate - why should I get "scolded" by
another
list member for keeping my peace?
Chances 'r',
if we
did open up, we'd get attacked, yelled at, faces
rubbed
in shit, etc. If I choose to not
partake in this
insanity,
please respect that decision.
>Every
person on this list is being party to keeping
>this
thread alive by allowing Anstee to get away unscathed
>with
these ridiculous assertions.
Insects
may sing -
But the
Emmet in silence
Shows
us his arse!
~Issa~
Hey
Jerry, no hard feelings just my honest opinion.
Mike
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From: Wes Lundburg
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Subject: Re: To the Peacemakers...
Jerry
wrote:
>
>Folks,
I'm embarrassed for you. How can you
keep silent allowing Anstee as
>well
as Paul Maher to say the things they're saying about Nicosia?
>
>It's
one thing to want to see peace on the list.
That's fine if that's what
>you
really want, but these guys are tossing everything but the kitchen sink
>at
Nicosia and you sit silent! You should be flooding the list with notes to
>Anstee
telling him how off base he is to bring private correspondance in to
>this!
>
>Every
person on this list is being party to keeping this thread alive by
>allowing
Anstee to get away unscathed with these ridiculous assertions. I
>think
Gerry has done remarkably well in maintaining his cool especially in
>light
of Paul Maher's vitriolic posts.
>
>Right
is right, people, regardless of what you may think about Nicosia or
>"his
cause".
>
>Inaction
is as much of a statement as action is.
>
Hello,
Jerry! Well, I'll tell you what:
there's a reason I never post anything
to Rod
Anstee. I still remember the crap he
threw at Ron Whitehead (not to
mention
others). He's a man with his own
agenda, and he does what strikes his
fancy...
whether anybody "puts up with it" or not. Silence is not being party
to
him. So, since my inaction is a statement,
let the statement be I won't be a
party
to any of it, nor will I let someone like Anstee dictate any of my actions
or
reactions. As I posted in an open
letter to Gerry Nicosia, I believe he's
made
his point, and made it well. The other
guys are just making asses out of
themselves...
my impression is that they like to make asses of themselves.
Why
should I waste my time posting to them?
It won't change anything they do.
Only
reasonable people listen to reasonable voices.
All the
best, ---Wes
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From: Alfred Lewen
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Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
At
06:44 PM 5/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Folks,
I'm embarrassed for you. How can you
keep silent allowing Anstee as
>well
as Paul Maher to say the things they're saying about Nicosia?
>
>It's
one thing to want to see peace on the list.
That's fine if that's what
>you
really want, but these guys are tossing everything but the kitchen sink
>at
Nicosia and you sit silent! You should be flooding the list with notes to
>Anstee
telling him how off base he is to bring private correspondance in to
>this!
>
>Every
person on this list is being party to keeping this thread alive by
>allowing
Anstee to get away unscathed with these ridiculous assertions. I
>think
Gerry has done remarkably well in maintaining his cool especially in
>light
of Paul Maher's vitriolic posts.
>
>Right
is right, people, regardless of what you may think about Nicosia or
>"his
cause".
>
>Inaction
is as much of a statement as action is.
>
>
>Jerry
Cimino
>
Cimino, It is one post I made that was
"vitriolic" in tone and that is
because
I am sick of Nicosia bringing my name into things. I refuse to let
this
happen. I, unlike you or anybody else seek no support for my cause. I
have no
interest whatsoever in winning over anybody but when Nicosia drags
my name
over and over I will be more than "vitriolic." It is none the less
deserving.
You doubt my veracity? You don't even know John Sampas or the
strategy
of his archival practices. Why do you have to take sides if that is
what we
are supposed to do?
Why
don't you try thanking me for placing an ad in my quarterly without pay?
Your
posts won't win you any support, only a lost customer base.....
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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
Mike,
no hard feelings at all. And I
appreciate your honest opinion. And
normally
I'd say not speaking up and not taking a position is fine. But when
people
say things like what Maher said and when people assert things like
Anstee
has done it is up to the rest of us to say "you've crossed the line".
I'm not
asking you to stand up and say Nicosia is right, just that many of
his
detractors are off base in what they're saying and the way they're saying
it.
Mike,
If I were to say to you the things that have been said to Nicosia by
his
"detractors" I would expect the good people on this list to call me
to
task
for it.
Right
is right. Nicosia may have alienated a
lot of people with the tone of
many of
his responses, but he does not deserve to be slammed the way he has
been. He's presented us with facts. All he's been met with is rancor and
unproved
assertions.
Mike, I
respectfully submit to you not taking a position when someone is
obviously
being slandered is taking a position.
Jerry C
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From: Alfred Lewen
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Subject: Re: Why We Shouldn't Study Kerouac
> I have also been called every name in
the book--the last set of
>volleys
comes from Paul Maher, Jr., another Sampas apologist, whose claim
>to
fame is to have stolen fifty rare books on the raising of silk worms from
>the
Mogan Center, the same building leased by U Mass, Lowell, from which key
>parts
of the MEMORY BABE archive were also stolen.
I never
sought fame Mr. Nicosia for my actions. That is in your warped mind.
I am
remorseful and embarrassed about the thefts I committed seven years
ago.
Your pathetic attempt to embarrass me into a response is successful.
But
again, you reap what you sow. Your such a stupid creature. You wonder
why no
one likes you over here. Your under the pretense that if you come
from
Lowell you are somehow connected. John Sampas did not contribute
anything
to my newsletter. The piece in question was contributed by the late
Jay
Pendergast (by the way a true defintion of a scholar unlike my subject
matter
here). I, unlike you, had to go through the proper channels (i.e.
John
Sampas) to acquire permission to publish.
>
> Maher needs material for his new
Kerouac Quarterly, and from all
>appearances,
Sampas has been giving it to him.
******I
need nothing for my newsletter. I have enough material for the next
four
issues all from several submissions worldwide. Again, you are wrong.
> Good folks, I'm really tired of all
this bullshit. I plan one more
>post,
later today, to expose the absolutely FALSE CLAIM that the Jack
>Kerouac
Archive is in the New York Public Library already.
******Good
luck proving that because my info was xeroxed from NYPL stationery.
> Then I'm taking off for a while.
> There are some good people here who
can stick up for the
>truth--Jerry
Cimino, Joe Grant, and Bentz Kirby among others.
********Ah
yes, your loyal following, how long will it take before you burn
those
bridges?
I think I will have John Sampas autograph my
copy of Memory Babe.....
>
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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Re: To the Peacemakers...
Wes
Lunburg wrote:
>Why
should I waste my time posting to them.
It won't change anything they
do.
>Only
reasonable people listen to reasonable voices.
Hi Wes,
Thanks
for your candid response.
Wes,
it's precisely *because* so many people are weighing the various
psoitions
and gauging who is "right" and who is "wrong" that those of
us who
know
Rod would argue with a pineapple if it sat still long enough need to
make
clear what is really going on.
Many
people, especially if they're new to the list, read Rod's posts and
think
"here is a serious person making a serious charge" and they see a
handful
of people slugging it out and figure "each side is as bad as the
other
only worse". And when everyone
keeps silent because no one wants to
"take
a position" these insidious wars go on and on because people like Gerry
think
no one is hearing them or believing them because no one is responding
at all.
I think
if everybody on this list posted a note to Rod saying "Enough with
the
ridiculous charges! Show evidence or
keep quiet" maybe he'd think twice.
But what do we get instead? "Let's not talk about it." "This makes me
uncomfortable." "Take your little wars off-list,
boys". And what is the
result
of that? Anstee has effectively
silenced Nicosia which is exactly
what he
wants. And everyone of us on the list
has helped him do it by not
challenging
him.
That's
why we should call him on the cheap shots and the non-issues. Because
silence
is a co-conspirator to the truth!
Jerry
Cimino
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: Not ashamed
Jerry
I am
getting tired of the theme that if we don't all rush to poor Mr.
Nicosia's
defense we are sort of like silent good Germans. You and
Nicosia
seem to be in a minority that feel that this whole thing is a
one way
street. Go back and look through the
thread, I will turn on my
machine
and there are another seven or eight posts from GN. After days
of
silence, not doubt getting tired of listening to Nicosia's paranoid
view of
the world, eventually an Anastee, Chaput or Maher will respond,
(sometimes
not very temperatly, but there have been some very
informative
posts as well). Then GN will start again with his assertion
that
everyone in the Kerouac world but himself is a weak, excuse-making
pawn of
John Sampas, hiding their own self interest.
As far as I can
remember
this list includes Allan Ginsberg, Ann Charters, most of the
people
in Lowell and pretty much everyone else but Mr. Nicosia and
before
her death Jan Kerouac. Mr. Nicosia, of
course, has no self
interest.
Then you and Mr. Kirby wonder why not everyone is rushing to
poor
Mr. Nicosia's defense. Seems to me he
does fine on his own.
There
seem to me to be a few clear points
1. All the principles in this war have a
serious interest in and love
for
Jacks work
2. They see things differently
3 This thing will be settled in the courts and
not here.
I am
not ashamed of myself. I think the list
members have on the whole
been
very polite and deferential to
Gerry. We have begged for him to
contribute
to real discussions of Kerouac, we have praised him for his
effort
on Memory Babe. But that doesn't mean
we all are ready to join
his
crusade or that we share his view of his opponents. I will go back
to the
good habit I lost of just deleting anything on this thread. I
know
that whatever happens you and Attorney-at Law Kirby, Esq will be on
hand to
genuflect and hold Gerry's coat. I
don't think my mortal soul
is in danger
on this count, and if somewhere in Lowell there is a bar
with a
dartboard with GN's face on it, I would find it pretty easy to
understand. But if the kitchen sink comes into play I
trust someone
will
backchannel me so I won't miss it.
J Stauffer
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Subject: Re: Paul Maher
At
04:42 PM 5/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Paul,
I gotta tell ya buddy, you're showing your true colors with that last
>post
of yours. For a guy who three days ago
said he'd had enough and even
>sent
a message saying "unsubscribe" you sure have a whole lot to say about
>nothing.
>
>Paul,
some of us were hoping to keep the *debate* at a reasonable level
>during
the cease fire of the Memorial Day weekend.
Obviously you don't want
>to
do your part as evidenced by the general nastiness of your tone.
>
"Scholar?" Paul, I hardly
think so given the level to which you have sunk
>here.
****Whatever,
your assessment of my scholarship matters nothing to me. I
hardly
think that you are going to be on my Master's thesis committee.
>
>Say
something useful, Paul, instead of general namecalling! I asked you a
>week
ago why you thought Gabrielle's signature was real as opposed to faked
>since
you're one of the few people on the list to have actually seen the
>will. Why can't you answer questions put to you?
Because
I am not required to.
I have
seen the will yes. I have also seen many documents (contracts for
foreign
publication rights etc. signed by Gabrielle Kerouac in the early
1970's)signed
after the will which are almost 100% the same. The only slight
change
is the way
the
"c" at the end of Kerouac trails off. This is given to her invalid
state.
On this alone I came to my conclusion. There were other documents
that
sealed my decision that the will/forgery claim is a fraud. For
instance,
what made the signature look funny to Ms. Jan Kerouac anyways?
What is
so funny about the way an old woman who suffered a stroke signs her
name?
Were they humoring her disability? I mean...my grandmother writes me
letters
and the sig looks a little shaky but I have no reason to believe
it's
"funny." You are all sorely misled and someday the shadiness of the
situation
will brighten and the real "true colors" will be revealed. And by
the way
I came back on the list to post about my friend Jay Pendergast's
death
who knew Jack in the 1960's.. Don't flatter yourself thinking I wanted
to
respond to you. Signed vitriolicly,
Paul...
>Jerry
Cimino
>
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Subject: New York Public Library (final post,
this time I mean it)
To all
the good and friendly folks on the Beat-List:
My final post; I'm turning in my
bullshit shovel.
But I want to clear up this lingering
myth--or more accurately,
cruel
hoax--about the Kerouac Archive being in the New York Public Library.
I work from the List printed by Paul
Maher, which purports to be the
latest
list of the New York Public Library's Kerouac holdings (I have a list
given
me by NYPL librarian Rodney Phillips two years ago, which has only a
few
less things on it). Not much has
changed in two years.
Let's start by getting one thing
straight: A COLLECTION IS NOT AN
ARCHIVE,
and vice versa.
The New York Public Library has a
Kerouac/Beat collection, which
they
have been building for years, by buying items from many different
people,
including many dealers.
Univ. of Texas, Austin, the Bancroft
Library (Berkeley), and
Stanford,
among others, also have Kerouac/Beat collections.
Even Rod Anstee has a Kerouac/Beat
collection. From what I have
seen,
having visited his house, Mr. Anstee's collection is bigger in sheer
bulk
than the Kerouac collection at the New York Public Library. Jan
Kerouac
and I had a private session at the NYPL, had the whole Kerouac
collection
thrust out on a desk before us, and it didn't take up much space.
What are Jack Kerouac's ten most
important published books?
I'm a Kerouac biographer, so let me take a stab at this. I
nominate,
in no particular order:
1) ON THE ROAD
2) THE DHARMA BUMS
3) DR. SAX
4) THE SUBTERRANEANS
5) VISIONS OF GERARD
6) VISIONS OF CODY
7) VANITY OF DULUOZ
8) BIG SUR
9) DESOLATION ANGELS
10) MEXICO CITY BLUES
What does the New York Public Library
have of each of these?
1) ON THE ROAD was typed on a long
scroll of Japanese art paper. It
was
retyped several times, with major revisions.
It was worked over in
galleys. THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY OWNS NONE OF
THIS MATERIAL, AND HAS
NEVER
MADE ANY OF THIS MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
2) THE DHARMA BUMS was typed on a
scroll of teletype paper, retyped
several
times, reworked, and worked over extensively in galleys. THE NEW
YORK
PUBLIC LIBRARY OWNS NONE OF THIS MATERIAL, AND HAS NEVER MADE ANY OF
THIS
MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
3) DR. SAX was written in pencil
notebooks; it was typed up; it was
worked
over editorially by Malcolm Cowley; there are presumably also galleys
for
it. THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY OWNS
NONE OF THIS MATERIAL, AND HAS
NEVER
MADE ANY OF THIS MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
They do list the
presence
of some "notes for Dr. Sax" in their collection.
4) THE SUBTERRANEANS WAS TYPED ON A
ROLL OF TELETYPE PAPER, RETYPED
ON
REGULAR PAGES (which Jeffrey Weinberg saw, and says they are
"crumbling"),
and revised extensively in galleys to prevent libel suits from
Alene
Lee (Mardou Fox). THE NEW YORK PUBLIC
LIBRARY OWNS NONE OF THIS
MATERIAL,
AND HAS NEVER MADE ANY OF THIS MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
5) VISIONS OF GERARD WAS WRITTEN IN
PENCIL NOTEBOOKS AND RETYPED ON
TO REGULAR
PAGES. I assume there were galleys but
don't know about the
amount
of revision. Suspect less revision
because Kerouac considered this a
"holy
book." THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY
OWNS NONE OF THIS MATERIAL, AND
HAS
NEVER MADE ANY OF THIS MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
6) VISIONS OF CODY was written in
pencil notebooks and also sections
of it
were typed. Some of it was drafted in
letters Kerouac wrote to his
friends
(like the letter to John Clellon Holmes which Mr. Anstee purchased
for his
own collection). It was retyped several
times, as the work
underwent
the editorial scrutiny of a number of people: Carl Solomon, Allen
Ginsberg,
Malcolm Cowley, et al. THE NEW YORK
PUBLIC LIBRARY OWNS NONE OF
THIS
MATERIAL, AND HAS NEVER MADE ANY OF THIS MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
7) VANITY OF DULUOZ was typed on a
scroll of teletype paper and then
retyped
on to regular pages. Kerouac
incorporated many of his earlier
unpublished
writings and breastpocket notebook passages into the text. I do
not
know the extent of editorial changes.
One would assume there were, at
the
very least, marked galley proofs. THE
NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY OWNS NONE
OF THIS
MATERIAL, AND HAS NEVER MADE ANY OF THIS MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
8) BIG SUR was typed on a scroll of
teletype paper and then retyped
on to
regular pages. Kerouac used many
breastpocket notebooks for material,
which
he incorporated into the text. I assume
there were at least marked
galleys. THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY OWNS NONE OF
THIS MATERIAL, AND HAS
NEVER
MADE ANY OF THIS MATERIAL AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
9) DESOLATION ANGELS was both written
in notebooks and typed over a
period
of several years. It was then retyped
on to regular paper. Extent
of
editorial changes unknown. One assumes
marked galleys. THE NEW YORK
PUBLIC
LIBRARY HAS THE NOTEBOOKS TO SECTION 2, "PASSING THROUGH," WHICH IS
ONLY
ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF THE ENTIRE TEXT. IT
HAS NO ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT FOR
THE
REMAINING TWO-THIRDS OF THE TEXT, AND NO RETYPED PAGES FOR ANY OF THE
TEXT. NO GALLEYS.
THE PENCIL NOTEBOOKS FOR SECTION 2 ARE AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
10) MEXICO CITY BLUES was written in
pencil notebooks and later
retyped. There was doubtless more than one
typescript, as this manuscript
circulated
among many different writers in both California and New York.
There
were certainly marked galleys, as this was a tough book to type-set
with
lots of neologisms and weird typography.
THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY
OWNS
THE PENCIL NOTEBOOKS AND ONE TYPESCRIPT.
THEY DO NOT HAVE ALL THE
TYPESCRIPTS,
AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THE GALLEYS. THE
NOTEBOOKS AND
TYPESCRIPTS
THEY HAVE ARE AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.
So, the New York Public Library lacks
any paper trail for 8 of
Kerouac's
10 most important published books; it has a very incomplete paper
trail
for the 9th book; and a somewhat better (but by no means complete)
paper
trail for the 10th. And if the MEXICO
CITY BLUES manuscript is the
completest,
it is rather curious to thank Mr. Sampas for it, since he was
preparing
to sell it to a private collector (according to Jeffrey Weinberg)
and--though
Weinberg is not completely sure--probably did sell it to a
private
collector, before it was resold to the NYPL.
WHAT ABOUT MAGGIE CASSIDY? A FINE NOVEL, IF NOT AMONG THE GREATS.
THE NEW
YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY HAS ONLY 45 pages in pencil, an UNUSED SECTION
OF
MANUSCRIPT. IT HAS NO PARTS OF THE
ACTUAL MANUSCRIPT, NOR THE RETYPED
VERSION,
NOR THE GALLEYS.
The NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY also has
NO TRACE AT ALL OF MANY OF
KEROUAC'S
VERY IMPORTANT UNPUBLISHED BOOKS: THE SEA IS MY BROTHER, AND THE
HIPPOS
WERE BOILED IN THEIR TANKS!, MEMORY BABE, SECRET MULLINGS OF BILL,
VISIONS
OF LUCIEN, AND AN UNTITLED NOVEL ABOUT NICKY'S BAR IN LOWELL, etc.
IT HAS NO TRACE OFMANUSCRIPT FOR MANY
OF KEROUAC'S IMPORTANT
ARTICLES:
THE ORIGINS OF THE BEAT GENERATION; CITYCitycity; THE ESCAPADE
MAGAZINE
PIECES, ETC.
It has a lot of Kerouac's
correspondence with the Sampas family and
a few
other letters (MANY OF WHICH ARE XEROXED COPIES, ACCORDING TO THE LIST
LIBRARIAN
RODNEY PHILLIPS GAVE ME), but almost none of Kerouac's
correspondence
(carbon copies and drafts of his own letters, and letters
sent
him) from the HUNDREDS OF IMPORTANT WRITERS AND ARTISTS WITH WHOM
KEROUAC
CORRESPONDED.
IT DOES NOT HAVE THE HUNDREDS OF
FIVE-CENT BREAST-POCKET NOTEBOOKS
HE
CARRIED IN HIS SHIRT EVERY DAY, TO "SKETCH" THE THINGS HE SAW AND
HEARD
ON A
DAILY BASIS, MOST OF WHICH NEVER FOUND THEIR WAY INTO ANY BOOK.
IT HAS NONE OF HIS BOYHOOD
SELF-PRINTED COMIC BOOKS AND NEWSPAPERS
AND
OTHER JUVENILE WRITINGS.
IT DOES NOT HAVE HIS SELF-CREATED
HORSE RACE AND BASEBALL GAMES.
IT HAS NONE OF HIS PHOTOGRAPHS.
IT HAS NONE OF HIS MANY PAINTINGS AND DRAWINGS
IT HAS NONE OF HIS PRIVATE SCRAPBOOKS
OF NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS,
CONCERNING
HIS SPORTS HEROICS AND BOOK REVIEWS.
IT HAS NONE OF HIS PERSONAL PAPERS,
REPORT CARDS, JOB APPLICATIONS,
PASSPORTS,
LAWSUIT PAPERS FOR CHILD SUPPORT, etc. etc.
IT HAS NONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF HOURS
OF TAPE RECORDINGS KEROUAC MADE.
IT HAS NONE OF HIS PERSONAL BOOKS, HIS
PRIVATE LIBRARY.
You're going to tell me that the Jack
Kerouac Archive is in the New
York
Public Library??? Come again.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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From: Olly Ruff
<or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject: uneducated & illinformed
quasi-estate-post
after
watching several hundred estate postings go rolling by under the
delete-key,
I finally submit one myself. It's a slippery slope, they
say...
:
first
of all, I like this thread, slanging matches & all. If nothing else,
it's
probably better that these things are thrashed out in public if
they're
going to be thrashed out at all. Moving it offlist wouldn't really
be
true. I'm not a car crash voyeur, but I like hearing what people have
to
say... relevant, polite, politic, political, friendly, supportive,
abusive,
warmongering, inane, whatever. I've learned a lot from all those
various
varieties.
also,
I'm tending towards the Gerry Nicosia side, albeit from a totally
uneducated
point of view. It's easy to get tied into a role in this kind
of
discussion... so there's Jerry & Gerry & misc. vs Rod & Phil &
whoever
and it
really seems to get personal very easily, out of nobody's intention
&
everybody's fault. Case in point being Paul M... side-issues become the
main
deal & it's like being there while two opposing tables of lairily
drunk
folks tilt slowly but inexorably towards a fairly inefficient
fistfight.
M'self,
I think terms like "Sampas apologist" are a little too out
there...
I'm not sure that anyone knows anything much about the *other
side*
(tones of impending doom intended to be slightly ironic, before I
get pulverised)
& further, I think it's a little too easy to identify with
your
opinions until (point comin up soon, wait for it...) BY THIS POINT,
*EVERYONE*
IS IN THE POSITION OF THINKING THEY'RE DEFENDING THEMSELVES
AGAINST
SOME DEEPLY PERSONAL ATTACK...
I'm not
trying to sound like a selfstyled diplomat. Honest. I want
everyone
to keep speaking their minds... because that's the only way
anything
gets resolved, in the long run. The fact that it may take about
twenty
years this way is a minus, but perhaps endurable. It's entertaining
when
people majorly abuse others personally, but that probably slows
things
down as well...
Anyway,
this'll do for now. Seriously, I think Gerry Nicosia is an
inestimable
addition to the list, & things might be more mellow if
*everyone*
just stopped escalating things by getting personal... (of
course,
if anybody so much as raises an eyebrow at *anything* I've said in
this
post I'll find out where you live & have your fucking legs broken...)
(nb.
that was a joke)
Well,
whatever. Keep going, everyone.
Olly
Ruff.
_______________________________________________________________________________
"Survival
of the... *fittest* ? Was that the proper word ? Had Darwin ever
considered
the idea of *temporary* unfitness ? Like "temporary insanity."
Could
the Doctor have made room in his theory for a thing like LSD ?"
_______________________________________________________________________________
or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
skink@imrryr.org
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Musing
My
archive is bigger than your archive
You
show me your archive and I'll show you mine.
How may
archivists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
(apparently
a lot, and even more if the lightbulb is xeroxed, and yet
more if
there is a lawyer present)
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From: Alfred Lewen
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Subject: Re: New York Public Library (final post,
this time I mean it)
Frpm
what I gathered, I never purported to type up a list of the Kerouac
archives...it
was a list of the things the Estate has either given as a gift
or sold
to the NYPL. Nicosia what's your point? Are you saying if it isn't
there
it's sold? What if he had it in safe deposit in Lowell? What business
of it
is yours or anybody's? It belongs to the family in principle and
legally.
Even I, who longs to see it as much as anybody else can understand
that.
And there is nothing xeroxed in there. Once again you are wrong.
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From: "M. Cakebread"
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Subject: Re: Paul Maher
At
08:20 PM 5/26/97 -0400, Paul Maher wrote:
>I
have seen the will yes. I have also seen many documents
>(contracts
for foreign publication rights etc. signed by
>Gabrielle
Kerouac in the early 1970's)signed after the will
>which
are almost 100% the same. The only slight change is the
>way
the "c" at the end of Kerouac trails off. This is given to her
>invalid
state. On this alone I came to my conclusion. There
>were
other documents that sealed my decision that the
>will/forgery
claim is a fraud. For instance, what made the
>signature
look funny to Ms. Jan Kerouac anyways?
Paul,
Hmm, if
you are not a specialist in forensic science how can
you
make this judgement w/o any empirical data?
This
goes
for Jan's challenge as well. I'm not
sure if anyone has
looked
at said signature, but by backing up your claim with
questioning
Jan's expertise on this matter, I believe you've
discredited
your own theory. What makes your theory
hold
water? Is it that Gabrielle Kerouac was in an
"invalid state?"
Sounds
like hearsay to me. Show me the $
Paul!!
Mike
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Subject: Re: Nick, uh, I mean Judith, uhh nick
In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 26 May 1997 10:49:33 -0400
from <bocelts@SCSN.NET>
Doesn't
the notion of "fair use" only apply to published sources?
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Subject: Re: Paul Maher
>
>Hmm,
if you are not a specialist in forensic science how can
>you
make this judgement w/o any empirical data?
This
>goes
for Jan's challenge as well. I'm not
sure if anyone has
>looked
at said signature, but by backing up your claim with
>questioning
Jan's expertise on this matter, I believe you've
>discredited
your own theory. What makes your theory
hold
>water? Is it that Gabrielle Kerouac was in an
"invalid state?"
>Sounds
like hearsay to me. Show me the $
Paul!!
>
>Mike,
i had meant that the will being compared to G. Kerouac's hand writ
specimen
before her stroke is hardly proof or evidence. I never once said
mine
was expert testimony. i was asked so I answered and made an opinion.
Take it
for what it is worth. P.
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From: She-Ra <jennie42@ASU.EDU>
Subject: questions about Jack's death
While
reading Dharma Bums yesterday a good question happened into my
mind...
Does anyone think that one of the forces contributing to Jack's
alcoholism
and death was the internal conflict between his Buddhist and
Catholic
beliefs? I get the feeling that in his
old (not really, but
lack of
better word) age he was turning against all that he had done with
his
life (shown in his dislike for the pranksters and such).. perhaps he
was
feeling guilty, thus drank to lose feelings of guilt, and purposely
(as in
leaving los vegas) drank himself to death? a slow suicide? I'm
just
wondering, perhaps someone can help me out with this one?
jennie
******
jennie42@asu.edu ******
#28 There is no sin-
I know perfectly well
where I am
-Jack Kerouac
WE ARE
SEARCHING
FOR
RATIONAL REASONS
FOR
BELIEVING
IN THE
ABSURD
-Harold Norse (from the poem
"Believing in the Absurd")
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From: "Steve Smith a.k.a. Whiskey
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Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
In-Reply-To: <970526184408_1955964541@emout09.mail.aol.com>
On Mon,
26 May 1997, Jerry Cimino wrote:
>
Folks, I'm embarrassed for you. How can
you keep silent allowing Anstee as
>
well as Paul Maher to say the things they're saying about Nicosia?
>
>
It's one thing to want to see peace on the list. That's fine if that's what
>
you really want, but these guys are tossing everything but the kitchen sink
> at
Nicosia and you sit silent! You should be flooding the list with notes to
>
Anstee telling him how off base he is to bring private correspondance in to
>
this!
>
>
Every person on this list is being party to keeping this thread alive by
>
all
owing
Anstee to get away unscathed with these ridiculous assertions. I
>
think Gerry has done remarkably well in maintaining his cool especially in
>
light of Paul Maher's vitriolic posts.
>
>
Right is right, people, regardless of what you may think about Nicosia or
>
"his cause".
>
>
Inaction is as much of a statement as action is.
>
>
>
Jerry Cimino
>
dear
jerry and all: i applaud the above--but remember that not all have
been
silent about such cheapjack shots at gerry; i posted yesterday (or
so)
much the same--just got a couple of lame "Buuuuuuut" messages in
response.
go ahead, in the spirit of levi and others, and "hold [nicosia]
to a
higher standard" because he is a world-class k. scholar. this is,
btw,
the gist of levi's post re: my anger at cheap shots gerry's way.
baloney,
rancid baloney. nobody should be held to a higher standard than
anybody
else, scholar or not. there's shit and then there's shit? nah,
just
shit. it all has the same low barnyard whiff.
posting
personal letters is waaaay out of line; yada yada yada--i'd like
to
think jack and the twisted living ghost of bill b. will very soon loom
up out
of the red darkness and rip the lungs out of the right (and wrong)
swine
who scrunch down in the muddy shadows of the whole $$$$$ For
Kerouac
Gig! and before some mutant includes nicosia as a $$$ For Kerouac
Guy,
note that $7500 bucks ain't blood gravey in anyone's book. for
chrise
rake, he was sellin' his own bio's archive--not peddling k's goods!
one day
we'll all have to meet to drink bombs in a nether lowell or
tangiers--and
the monsters will be sorted out and go directly to
shitholes
in the deepest circles of dante's condo complex.
love
and fuses,
steve
Steve
R. Smith
Graduate
Teaching Assistant
Department
of English
Portland
State University
Box 751
Portland, OR 97207
503-725-3556
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Re: SAMPAS WHO? Re: a calm request
rinaldo,
First off, please don't be out off by
the Sampas name on 'kicks joy
darkness'.
the CD is well worth getting. Jim is the son of Stella's brother
Mike - john
Sampas is his uncle.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Not Ashamed/Musing
James,
I don't
agree with a lot of what you say in your "not ashamed post" and I'm
glad
YOU used the "Good German" analogy and not me as I don't want to be
acused
of calling anyone a Nazi/"Adolph Hitler apologist" or anything else.
And I laughed out loud w/regard to your
lightbulb joke!
James,
I'm not a Nicosia groupie and I certainly don't genuflect at his
alter. Quite frankly I think Gerry is off base on
certain things. I wish he
wouldn't
accuse everybody who's ever heard of John Sampas as being in bed
with
him. I think that's counter-productive
and hurts his cause and
alienates
people who could otherwise be his allies.
The
point though, James, is Nicosia is inextricably intertwined with the
cause
of Saving Jack's Archives. You and many
others obviously don't think
that is
a good thing, but I do and Nicosia is the only person doing anything
about
it. He's leading the charge! I don't see anybody else raising their
hand to
do it. I certainly couldn't do it even
if I wanted to try. And I
don't
think there is one other person out there who could. With Jan dead
there
is no one else. Nicosia is it, whether
anyone (including him!) likes
it or
not.
And you'll
note, James, I didn't ask anyone to stand up for Nicosia. I asked
people
to put Rod in his place with regard to making false and/or
unsubstantiated
claims. There is a difference.
Like I
said I don't agree with everything Gerry says or does but I do think
he's
right to try to save Jack's Archives.
Jerry
Cimino
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From: Bill Gargan
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Subject: Beat-l
Enough
is enough. Sure, the Kerouac Estate is
meat for discussion but
this
listdoes NOT exist for listmembers to curse at each other and
insult
one another personally. If you want to
do this, I'll say again,
TAKE IT
OFF THE LIST!
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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
Steve/Whisky,
I noted
your response to Levi' post the other day.
I was heartened to see
it, but
posts like yours have been few and far between as we all know.
Frankly,
I was also heartened to see Levi's post as well. I thought it was a
very
well reasoned and impassioned plea to Gerry to recognize people Gerry
percieves
as enemies aren't necessarily out to hurt him.
I personally think
that is
the case with both Levi and Atilla.
Just because Dharma Beat accepts
an ad
from Viking/Penguin does not mean Atilla is in bed w/Sampas as Gerry
seems
to think. I can say that from my
perspective, but I can also
understand
Gerry's perspective as well.
When my
wife and I owned our coffeehouse/bookstore and were losing our shirts
it was
very easy for us to view our regular customers who walked in with a B.
Dalton's
bag full of books or a Starbuck's cup of coffee as "disloyal" who
didn't
give a damn about us and our business.
We learned very quickly that
people
will always do what is in their own best interest. We all do that.
And if somebody could save a few bucks by
going to B. Dalton or if
Starbuck's
happened to be closer to where they were when they got the urge
for a
cup of coffee, they weren't doing anything against us... they were just
doing
what they thought was best for them.
And
that's how I view Atilla taking advertising from Viking. That doesn't
have to
make him Gerry's enemy. But take it
from one who knows, when you're
in the
heat of battle, anyone who isn't shooting in the same direction as you
is the
enemy! Maybe it shouldn't be that way,
but it's human nature that it
is.
Jerry
Cimino
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: Not Ashamed/Musing
Jerry
Cimino wrote:
>
>
James,
>
> I
don't agree with a lot of what you say in your "not ashamed post" and
I'm
>
glad YOU used the "Good German" analogy and not me as I don't want to
be
>
acused of calling anyone a Nazi/"Adolph Hitler apologist" or anything
else.
> And I laughed out loud w/regard to your
lightbulb joke!
>
>
James, I'm not a Nicosia groupie and I certainly don't genuflect at his
>
alter. Quite frankly I think Gerry is
off base on certain things. I wish he
>
wouldn't accuse everybody who's ever heard of John Sampas as being in bed
>
with him. I think that's counter-productive
and hurts his cause and
>
alienates people who could otherwise be his allies.
>
>
The point though, James, is Nicosia is inextricably intertwined with the
>
cause of Saving Jack's Archives. You
and many others obviously don't think
> that
is a good thing, but I do and Nicosia is the only person doing anything
>
about it. He's leading the charge! I don't see anybody else raising their
>
hand to do it. I certainly couldn't do
it even if I wanted to try. And I
>
don't think there is one other person out there who could. With Jan dead
>
there is no one else. Nicosia is it,
whether anyone (including him!) likes
> it
or not.
>
>
And you'll note, James, I didn't ask anyone to stand up for Nicosia. I asked
>
people to put Rod in his place with regard to making false and/or
>
unsubstantiated claims. There is a
difference.
>
>
Like I said I don't agree with everything Gerry says or does but I do think
>
he's right to try to save Jack's Archives.
>
>
Jerry Cimino
Jerry,
I agree
with you more than you think. I think
the real problem is that
Gerry
is so damn conspiracy driven that he fatally hurts his own cause.
I've
always said, he may well be right, but he loses all credibity with
me by
the "in bed" with SAmpas think.
Let him win in court. He isn't
going
to court against Anastee or Maher but the Sampas family. l hope
there
is an archive, but I doubt it will happen, because as I said
earlier
that as long as Sampas and Lash control 2/3's I don't see how
anyone
will be able to work with Nicosia. It
would have to be his way
or the
highway. Maybe I read him wrong, but he
certainly doesn't come
off as
capable of compromising with the Sampas people at all.
In his
last backchannel to me he was explaining to me how essentially he
is
responsible for everything Ann Charters knows about Jack. She speaks
respectfully
of him, he can't mention her without remembering that she
didn't
take his side with Jan. Maybe Jan was
an angel, or maybe she was
hard to
deal with--I don't know, but it seems to me that Ann's failure
to join
Jan's cause doesn't just wipe out her biographical and editing
achievements.
Frankly,
I keep vowing to shut up and only post things like Mitchell's.
James
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From: Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Memory Babe Archive
In a
message dated 97-05-26 14:03:18 EDT, you write:
> NONE OF THE XEROXES I SOLD TO LOWELL
WERE THE PROPERTY OF OTHER
LIBRARIES. GOT THAT?
>
Sorry,
I'm still confused here Gerry. Are you saying that amongst the stuff
you
transferred to the library in Lowell in 1987, there was absolutely no
material
that was the property of other libraries, or are you saying that the
part
you "sold" was free of this class of material, and that any material
of
this
kind was simply "donated" instead. You know that there WAS material
of
this
sort in the archive, or at least back then you indicated as such -- some
people
seem to get upset when I quote directly from your letters from 1987,
so
without quoting directly this time, I can refer to another letter in which
you
specifically mentioned, for example, that your copies of the JK/Cowley
letters
had been transferred to Lowell amongst the rest of the archive. As
you
know, that material (in original form) has a home in the Newberry
Library.
Are you saying now that the Cowley letter (xeroxes) were never
transferred?
The date on the letter I'm not going to quote from is 25
October,
1987. Was your statement about them in that letter wrong?
Unfortunately
we weren't discussing the JK/AG correspondence at the time, so
I have
no contemporary references to them.
CHEERS
Rod (Yes, soccer went well, thanks.)
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Subject: 10 most important
1) ON
THE ROAD
2) THE DHARMA BUMS
3) DR. SAX
4) THE SUBTERRANEANS
5) VISIONS OF GERARD
6) VISIONS OF CODY
7) VANITY OF DULUOZ
8) BIG SUR
9) DESOLATION ANGELS
10) MEXICO CITY BLUES
I like
Satori (sp?) in Paris.
Peace,
--
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Subject: Re: New York Public Library (final post,
this time I mean it)
Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
>
<snip the whole thing>
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
Damn,
that was an informative post, whatever the motivation, Gerry, I
hope
you will not unsubscribe. I would like
to know more. Just get a
thicker
skin. Please.
Peace,
--
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Re: Letter to Mayo
Bentz,
Gerry has already pointed out that it
was not Mayo who negotiated
the
purchase from Gerry.
*
"In a way I am quite surprised, in retrospect, that Martha Mayo agreed to
*
purchase these in the first place, knowing that many of them (originals) are
* the
property of other libraries."
I believe Gerry has intimated -
although Rod pushed the point in a
leter
post - that the Columbia letter was not part of the purchase/donation.
* He goes on to then state that Gerry Nicosia
* sold
to your library a photocopy of a letter from Jack Kerouac to Allen
*
Ginsberg dated April 8, 1952 even though it has the instructions on it
that
the
* copy
is to be returned to Columbia University.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
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Subject: Re: Nick, uh, I mean Judith, uhh nick
Bill
Gargan wrote:
>
Doesn't the notion of "fair use" only apply to published sources?
I don't know about copyright law and am
asking for those who do to
enlighten
us.
Peace,
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From: Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Post on Archives
In a
message dated 97-05-26 15:25:25 EDT, you write:
>"
But no xerox that was owned by another library was
>included
in the body of material that was finally transferred to U Mass,
>Lowell.
>
Ah, since he makes this statement with
crystal clarity, why pussyfoot
around!?
Here's what Gerry wrote to me 25 October, 1987:
"I
didn't get time to go through the Cowley letters which are now on deposit
in
Lowell, at the U. of Lowell, but will remain a locked collection till
Martha
Mayo gets it all catalogued."
I fear
it's a contradiction, our Gerry.
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Subject: Beat Generation Essay
Hey
everyone..
I have
posted a very rough draft (uncompleted) on an essay I am writing
on the
Beat Generation for my high school english class. If anyone
wants
to take a look at it and give me their thoughts thanks. (remember,
high
school english.)
The
address is http://www.cyberwarecom.com/david/beatgen.htm
Thanks!
David
McClusky
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Calling Bill Gargan
May
26, 1997
Did anyone pick up on the fact that
Rod Anstee, after accusing me of
selling
stolen items, proceeded to print one of my private letters on the
internet
(the equivalent of publishing it), in complete violation of my own
copyright
in my unpublished writings (which includes my correspondence)?
I.e., Mr. Anstee has committed the
crime of copyright infringement
right
in front of all your eyes.
I call on Bill Gargan to stop this
kind of rogue activity
immediately,
and if Mr. Anstee will not desist from such criminal behavior,
to cut
off his Beat-List privileges.
Thank you.
Yours truly,
Gerald Nicosia
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From: Gerald Nicosia
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Subject: Mr. Anstee Continues Breaking the Law
Comments:
cc: WXGBC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
To Rod
Anstee: May 26, 1997
You are breaking the law (copyright infringement) by printing my
private,
unpublished letters on the Beat-List.
If this continues, I will
have to
take legal action against both you and the Beat-List.
I therefore call upon Mr. Bill Gargan
to suspend Mr. Anstee's
Beat-List
privileges at once, as he refuses to stop this rogue behavior.
Mr. Anstee has no knowledge of my
relationship with the Newberry
Library
or any other library, under what conditions and restrictions copies
were
made, etc. He nevertheless continues to
throw aspersions at me,
insinuating
that I have somehow sold stolen materials, which is a clear
defamation
of my character.
I repudiate all his accusations, and
will hold him accountable for
every
one of them.
Yours truly,
Gerald Nicosia
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
Steve
Smith a.k.a. Whiskey Wordsmith wrote:
>
one day we'll all have to meet to drink bombs in a nether lowell or
>
tangiers--and the monsters will be sorted out and go directly to
>
shitholes in the deepest circles of dante's condo complex.
>
please
make sure i get invited to this ....
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
Subject: Rod Is Off Base!
Rod,
Why do
you insist on making the MEMORY BABE Archive the issue, here?
The
issue is Jack's Archives, not Nicosia's.
Jack
Kerouac is the author we're concerned about here. Why do you insist on
making
Nicosia the issue.
Rod, I
can't tell you how disillusioned I am with you that you would make
private
correspondance with Gerry public to support your position here. You
are a
very low human being indeed. I won't
ever trust another word you say.
This is dispicable!
TO
EVERYONE ELSE ON THE BEAT-L: Here's
what you get for keeping silent. If
any of
you have ever sent Anstee a letter I'd be looking over what you wrote
if I
were you!
Jerry
Cimino
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Subject: Re: Mr. Anstee Continues Breaking the
Law
Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
>
> To
Rod Anstee: May 26, 1997
>
> You are breaking the law (copyright
infringement) by printing my
>
private, unpublished letters on the Beat-List.
If this continues, I will
>
have to take legal action against both you and the Beat-List.
> I therefore call upon Mr. Bill Gargan
to suspend Mr. Anstee's
>
Beat-List privileges at once, as he refuses to stop this rogue behavior.
> Mr. Anstee has no knowledge of my
relationship with the Newberry
>
Library or any other library, under what conditions and restrictions copies
>
were made, etc. He nevertheless
continues to throw aspersions at me,
>
insinuating that I have somehow sold stolen materials, which is a clear
>
defamation of my character.
> I repudiate all his accusations, and
will hold him accountable for
>
every one of them.
> Yours truly,
> Gerald Nicosia
it has
been years since I read anything concerning copyright law. i
primarily
was concerned with fair use in relation to montage art. i
must
admit to skimming much of Nimmer's duller moments on other
subjects. it seems doubtful to me that the
"recipient" of a letter does
not have
equal liberty to use the material as s/he sees fit. i have no
legal
library at my disposal currently to test this doubt. if you're
familiar
with particular copyright laws which have been violated, it
would
help those of us who observe this foray if you would point to them
in your
public accusations. i hope that others
have caught the grand
irony
in your publicly accusing others of crimes after having chastised
others
for self-same action merely days ago.
i hope
you have a pleasant evening. i'm off to
peruse more of Dharma
Lions. Today's postings have soiled my eyes to
reading anything further
about
Jack which is a shame i suppose.
david
rhaesa
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Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
RACE
--- wrote:
>
Steve Smith a.k.a. Whiskey Wordsmith wrote:
>
>
> one day we'll all have to meet to drink bombs in a nether lowell or
>
> tangiers--and the monsters will be sorted out and go directly to
>
> shitholes in the deepest circles of dante's condo complex.
>
>
>
>
please make sure i get invited to this ....
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
David:
I think
I would prefer to watch from a safe distance.
:-)
What
about trading for Duncan ooopppsss,
wrong list.
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From: Diane Carter
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Subject: Re: spontaneous sidewalk re-worked.
Marie
Countryman wrote:
>
>
thinking about kerouac
>
or,
>
spontaneous sidewalk
>
>
what is it with me, lately?
> i
keep buying books.
> i'm poor
> but would rather go
hungry
> than be
hungry for words
> i want
to be a writer.
> i read lots of writers
> lots of poetry
> lots of prose
> lots
of writers writing about writing
> and critics who write about
> them,
>
until i get to feeling like the quaker
oats man
> who is pictured on the label
> holding another
quaker box
> with a little
> quaker
man, holding,
> you know?
> i
mean, when does he ever eat the oatmeal?
> i
throw over my captors,
>
selfconsciouness and fear,
>
and break free
>
and up from the depths of my
>
inarticulate soul
>
the voices spoke to me of kerouac,
>
and
>
word sketches writ down in the moment.
>
>
now i stop all thought,
>
and, suddenly,
>
finally !
> i am left with IT!
> jack 's
> spontaneous prose
> writ in
humble small pad
> full
of word sketches
> novels
> poetry
>
> prose
>
and
>
emboldened,
>
out i go, tiny pad in pocket
>
looking avidly for
>
the perfect
>
poetic moment
> to
capture in words,
> a
stupenousllyspontaenously
>
experience of IT
>
> and so, i go, casting
>
eyes to sky
>
and down to
>
earth
>
& cement.
>
> i
walk quite a bit,
>
and then further.
> no
epiphanies.
> my
pad begins to sweat.
>
> i
stop.
>
and then i look about.
> i
am standing
> in
the midst
> of
a cheery
>
hop scotch
>
scrawled in blue chalk.
>
> i
had my note pad ready
> to
capture it all,
> a
fine lot of writing
> to be done in the moment,
> a frenzy of scribbling
> of making it new,
>
until, quite suddenly,
>
despite lingering winter chill
> i
stood enveloped in the warmth of
>
twilight days
> of
summer.
>
mothers' voices on the breeze
>
giving last call for play
>
with
> just
> one
> more
> game
> of hop scotch,
> marbles, jumprope
>
kick the can ... (allly ally outs in
free.....
> voices called out
> in my mind)
>
> on
a sunlit afternoon this spring
> i
stood in twilight summer haze
>
feeling once again
>
dirty hands and sticky faces,
>
bare feet on dewy grass...
> touch
> taste
> sight
> sounds
> alive!
>
> i stood before the chalked outlines
>
scribbling furiously.
>
ithen dashed off
> to
read my pocket ful of
>
sketched
>
impressions,
>
literary
>
allusions,
>
and all things real with potency.
>
>
yes, i feel like a real poet now.
>
> as
i
>
sit down excitedly
> to
transcribe my notes
>
and fashion a pome.
> i
open my notebook :
> no
words at all,
>
only the sketch
>
of hopscotch blocks,
>
blue chalk and all.
>
>
@mc/517/97
>
revised 5/26/97
Thanks
for an excellent poem and one of the two out of 50 posts that did
not
involve name-calling or legal action.
Tomorrow, Tuesday, let's have
everyone
on the list post one poem, story, or idea about beat literature.
I bet there are about 200 people out there
that want to do just that.
I'll
start myself first thing in the morning.
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Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
H
H H
H
H
A
H
H
H H
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Subject: Re: spontaneous sidewalk re-worked.
Diane
Carter wrote:
>
<snip absolutely sweet marie>
>
>
Thanks for an excellent poem and one of the two out of 50 posts that
>
did
>
not involve name-calling or legal action.
Tomorrow, Tuesday, let's
>
have
>
everyone on the list post one poem, story, or idea about beat
>
literature.
> I bet there are about 200 people out there
that want to do just that.
>
>
I'll start myself first thing in the morning.
Diane,
I am
down with that.
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Subject: Re: questions about Jack's death
At
05:47 PM 5/26/97 -0700, jennie wrote:
>While
reading Dharma Bums yesterday a good question
>happened
into my mind... Does anyone think that one
>of
the forces contributing to Jack's alcoholism and death
>was
the internal conflict between his Buddhist and
>Catholic
beliefs? I get the feeling that in his
old (not really,
>but
lack of better word) age he was turning against all that
>he
had done with his life (shown in his dislike for the
>pranksters
and such).. perhaps he was feeling guilty, thus
>drank
to lose feelings of guilt, and purposely (as in leaving los
>vegas)
drank himself to death? a slow suicide?
I'm
>just
wondering, perhaps someone can help me out with
>this
one?
Hey
Jennie,
Thought
I'd throw this at ya:
from
_Tristessa_ ~ Jack Kerouac
* * * * *
"EL
INDIO GOES out and gets meat sandwiches and now
the cat
goes mad yelling and mewing for some and El Indio
throws
her off the bed--but Cat finally gets a bite of meat
and
ronches at it like a mad little Tiger and I think "If she
was as
big as the one in the zoo, she'd look at me with big
green
eyes before eating me." I'm having
a fairy tale of
Saturday
night, having a good time actually because of
the
booze and the good cheer and the careless people--
enjoying
the little animals--noticing the little Chihuahua
pup now
meekly waiting for a bite of meat or bread with
her
tail curled in and woe, if she ever inherits the earth
it'll
be because of meek--Ears curled back and even
whimpering
the little Chihuahua smalldog fear-cry--
Nevertheless
she's been alternately watching us and
sleeping
all night, and her own reflections on the
subject
of Nirvana and death and mortals biding time
till
death, are of a whimpering high frequency terrified
tender
variety--and the kind that says 'Leave me alone,
I am so
delicate' and you leave her alone in her little
fragile
shell like the shell of canoes over the ocean deeps--
I wish
I could communicate to all these creatures and
people,
in the flesh of my moonshine goodtimes the cloud
mystery
of the magic milk to be seen in Mind's Deep
Imagery
where we learn that everything is nothing--in
which
case they wouldnt worry any more, except after the
instant
they think to worry again--All of us trembling in
our
mortality boots, born to die, BORN TO DIE I could write
it on
the wall and on Walls all over America--Dove in wings
of
peace, with her Noah Menagery Moonshine Eyes; dog
with
clitty claws black and shiny, to die is born, trembles in
her
purple eyes, her little weak bloodvessels down the ribs;
yeah
the ribs of Chihuahua, and Tristessa's ribs too,
beautiful
ribs, her with her aunts in Chihuahua also
born to
die, beautiful to be ugly, quick to be dead, glad to
be sad,
mad to be had--and the El Indio death, born to
die,
the man, so he plies the needle of Saturday Night
every
night is Saturday night and goes wild to wait, what
else
can he do,--The death of Cruz, the drizzles of religion
falling
on her burial fields, the grim mouth planted in the
satin
of the earth coffin, . . . I moan to recover all that magic,
remembering
my own impending death, 'If only I had the
magic
self of babyhood when I remembered what it was
like before
I was born, I wouldnt worry about death now
knowing
both to be the same empty dream'--But what will
the
Rooster say when it dies, and someone hacks a knife
in its
fragile chin--And sweet Hen, she who eats out of
Tristessa's
paw a globule of beer, her beak miffling like
human
lips to chirn up the milk of the beer--when she
dies,
sweet hen, Tristessa who loves her will save her
lucky
bone and wrap it in red thread and keep it in her
belongings,
nevertheless sweet Mother Hen of our Arc
of Noah
Night, she the golden purveyor and reaches so
far
back you can't find the egg that prompted her outward
through
the first original shell, they'll hack and whack
at her
tail with hacksaws and make mincemeat out of
her
that you run through an iron grinder turning handle,
and
would you wonder why she trembles from fear of
punishment
too? And the death of the cat, little
dead rat
in the
gutter with twisted yickface--I wish I could
communicate
to all their combined fears of death the
Teaching
that I have heard from Ages of Old, that
recompenses
all that pain with soft reward of perfect silent
love
abiding up and down and in and out everywhere past,
present,
and future in the Void unknown where nothing
happens
and all simply is what is. But they
know that
themselves,
beast and jackal and love woman, and my
Teaching
of Old is indeed so old they've heard it long
ago
before my time.
I
become depressed and I gotta go home.
Everyone of
us,
born to die."
* * * * *
Thought
this might fit in to your question, somewhere?
I was
just re-reading this and stumbled across this part
last
night, your question brought back some of the
same
questions floating through my skull.
I'll get
back to
this when I have time, but I thought you
might
like the text?
Mike
Mike
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Subject: Well, as if I have not already asked for
it, and then this
Well, I
don't know if he did, but a person told me he forwarded to the
list a
poem I wrote back in 1976 or so about Jack and Allen. If not, I
will
dig it out and post it. But in an
effort to begin to get more
literary
and expose myself to full critisim, I am going to post a couple
of
poems I wrote back in 1973 or so when I first started reading beats.
I was
exposed to Ferlinghetti and Corso in a college lit class and
before
reading Jack, decided that I was going to be a poet like them and
Ginsberg. So, this is what stumbled out. I figure everyone's pissed at
me
anyway, so why not some bad teenage poetry to boot.
Solitary
Rider
Solitary
rider,
Distant
strider,
me,
alone, apart.
Traveling
free
Of
chains that hold
Some
men back.
(They
don't hold me,
These
chains,
I must
break free.)
Search,
quest,
Else I
am doomed,
To
spend my life
With
these chains upon my heart.
Bentz
Kirby, 1973
Baptist
College at Charleston, South Carolina
--
Bentz
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Subject: Re: 10 most important
I hope
not in any order?
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Subject: Ma Tucker
This is
one I never finished. I figured it was
beyond my reach and was
really
a short story.
Ma
Tucker's, Reasonable Rates
On this
dusty sofa, in her mother's den,
She
sits, renting rooms for $5.00 a night.
I
stayed there once.
Upon
leaving, it was Sunday and
Texaco
played an opera on the radio.
Suppose
she was 45, looked 65,
Beaten
look, boredom had written
The
lines in her face with a sharpe pen.
Life
for her was over,
I could
not see her eyes.
She
looked at us,
Kristi,
me, and said,
"You
are so lucky.
I envy
you.
You are
so young,
And
have your lifes before you.
And you
have each other,
and me,
...."
Just
then, I say a light, that was gone again.
Her
mother, Ma Tucker, turned,
"You
have me."
She
patted her mother's hand
With
more love than I could understand.
"Yes,
mother, I have you."
She
gave us advice about
Living
each day as it comes,
To love
each other,
And we
looked into each other,
Kristi
and I and saw the same.
We
could not
Ease
her pain.
We
could not take her with us,
So we
left her there,
With
her mother,
And
they rent rooms,
$5.00 a
night.
Reasonable
rates,
At any
hotel.
--
Typing
this brings a particular sadness to my heart.
About one year
ago at the age of 39, Kristi committed suicide. The sadness is deep
and I miss her pained spirit. But needless to say, we were not who Ma
Tuckers
daughter thought us to be. This is
almost word for word and is
not
really a poem. Just an observation.
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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From: Julie Hulvey <JHulvey@AOL.COM>
Subject: The cat-fight
Walt
and Deanie's, a neighborhood bar
50's style hole in the wall
their
specialty pork tenderloins
and a
3:00 license
the
place is a mecca
after
last calls all over town
I'm
savoring Miller Lite and mulling over my own tenderloin (barely nibbled)
when
the proverbial cat-fight hits
at the
very next table
a
pregnant woman pitches a mixed drink on a chick in a miniskirt
which leads
naturally to hairpulling and scratching
there
are four of them
it's so
dramatic
glass
splinters on the brown linoleum
John
Fogarty 's dark voice drones
my
drinking buddy I see is glowing and twitching
she
likes a fight
I say
have your unneccesary fun but don't expect me to jump in behind you
I have
to say it loud, over the banshees and the furniture
she
thinks a second
she
rolls her glass in her hand
Suddenly
big Walt's all around the sisters
he
carries them out the door still hissing a little
the
gravid one wails
"But
she called me a slut"
"Honey,
you're all sluts"
explains
Walt,
patiently
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Subject: Re: Rod Is Off Base!
At
least I'm not being accused of mis-quoting!
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Subject: Re: Memory Babe Archive
Reply
to message from Nastees@AOL.COM of Mon, 26 May
>In
a message dated 97-05-26 14:03:18 EDT, you write:
>
>
>> NONE OF THE XEROXES I SOLD TO LOWELL
WERE THE PROPERTY OF OTHER
>>LIBRARIES. GOT THAT?
>
>Sorry,
I'm still confused here Gerry. Are you saying that amongst the stuff
>you
transferred to the library in Lowell in 1987, there was absolutely no
>material
that was the property of other libraries, or are you saying that the
>part
you "sold" was free of this class of material, and that any material
of
>this
kind was simply "donated" instead. You know that there WAS material
of
Didn't
you read his original post? He said he
didn't necessarily donate
anything,
that it was more or less all sold but at a lower price then it
was
really worth so some of the stuff could be considered donated but
nothing
was specifically tagged as being specifically donated! (If my
paraphrasing
is wrong, I'm sorry, go re-read the original post then. I'm
only a
very recent college graduate, no credentials of any kind, but Mr.
Nicosia's
(sp?) original post made sense to me, at least...)
And....for
everyone discussing this....since every legal loophole is being
dragged
out, people do not xerox, they photocopy.
The sheet of paper is
not a
xerox, it's a photocopy; Xerox is a registered trademark and is not
supposed
to be used as a noun/verb. Just read
the Xerox advertisements in your
copy of
_Writer's Digest_. And the ones for
Kleenex & Crayola Crayons &
for
Day-Glo and Post-It Notes. They're
really quite amusing.
>this
sort in the archive, or at least back then you indicated as such -- some
>people
seem to get upset when I quote directly from your letters from 1987,
>so
without quoting directly this time, I can refer to another letter in which
>you
specifically mentioned, for example, that your copies of the JK/Cowley
>letters
had been transferred to Lowell amongst the rest of the archive. As
>you
know, that material (in original form) has a home in the Newberry
>Library.
Are you saying now that the Cowley letter (xeroxes) were never
>transferred?
The date on the letter I'm not going to quote from is 25
>October,
1987. Was your statement about them in that letter wrong?
>Unfortunately
we weren't discussing the JK/AG correspondence at the time, so
>I
have no contemporary references to them.
>CHEERS
Rod (Yes, soccer went well, thanks.)
Is Mr.
Nicosia on trial here? How do any of
these matters that you've
written
about in this post really concern the Beat-L, Mr. Anastee (sp?)?
Why are
you purposely trying to discredit Mr. Nicosia so that his arguments for
preserving
Jack Kerouac's archives come off as tainted?
You aren't the
lawyer
here. Leave the poor guy alone &
post something semi-relevant to
the
other 198 (it's an aproximation) people on this list, please?
Diane
Homza.
--
"This
is Beat. Live your lives out? Naw, _love_ your lives out!"
--Jack Kerouac
Diane
Marie Homza
ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Subject: One last little thing on the poetry end
Falling
In
Love
Will
never pain me again.
I am
keeping my eyes OPEN
So I
can see just when
To
Fall
Out
Again!
This
one of my first word plays from back in the early 70's. I don't
know if
anyone is interested in more of the Toxic City, but how about
the
meat counter, check out and etc. I wrote a good country, uh, not
you
know that other word, song once about that.
Swinging Singles in the
Supermarket. Oh well, as I always say, I wish I was as
funny as I
think I
am.
Off to
build a beat link page. I guess I'll
list Levi first. But, why
can't I
get into the Cosmic Baseball site. Let
me hear from you
Clark@clark.clark.net.
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 00:47:57 -0400
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Subject: Re: Ma Tucker
Reply
to message from bocelts@SCSN.NET of Tue, 27 May
>Ma
Tucker's, Reasonable Rates
(snipped)
>--
>
>Typing
this brings a particular sadness to my heart.
About one year
>ago at the age of 39, Kristi committed
suicide. The sadness is deep
>and I miss her pained spirit. But needless to say, we were not who Ma
>Tuckers
daughter thought us to be. This is
almost word for word and is
>not
really a poem. Just an observation.
>
>Peace,
>
>Bentz
>bocelts@scsn.net
>
>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
still
very touching :) thanks for sharing it!
Diane.
--
"This
is Beat. Live your lives out? Naw, _love_ your lives out!"
--Jack
Kerouac
Diane
Marie Homza
ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: "Dawn B. Sova"
<DawnDR@AOL.COM>
Subject: Allen's Memorial
Not
meaning to break the estate thread (SURE, I don't mean to!) -- but I
would
like to know if anyone else plans to attend the June 8th memorial in
Paterson
for Allen. I'm lucky -- I live across
the river (or down the
highway,
depending how you go) and will easily be there.
Just to
bring Allen up for a sentence of two more.
I was thrilled to see his
poem in
the New Yorker mention his reading year long past at Montclair State
Teachers
College (a name long outgrown as that is now Montclair State
Univeristy). I was then a wide-eyed freshman and, because
of my friendship
with
someone in charge of something (activities?
auditorium lighting? Who
knows?),
became part of the charmed circle who met the bearded gentle giant.
Thirty years later, I consider that brief
meeting a momentous occasion in my
life.
He made a comment about sunshine and stars and my name. (So, he was
charming
as well. Go figure!)
Dawn
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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Re: Rod Is Off Base!
Rod
wrote:
"At
least I'm not being accused of mis-quoting!"
No Rod,
you're only being accused of criminal activity! Any mistake I've
ever
made on the Beat-l has been an honest error.
You on the other hand
enjoy
hurting people. Tearing at them. Betraying their confidence.
You're
a real stand up guy, Rod!
Jerry
Cimino
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Charlie and billie were travelers
Charley
Plymell and son billy arrived in Lawrence aroung 5: to a
memorial
mixed family, hippy and suit shrimp dinner, jim McCrary and Sue
Brussoue
(David Ohles wife) welcomed him, H
stood ranting over me
quietly
as I write.
Patricia
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: questions about Jack's death
She-Ra
wrote:
>
>
While reading Dharma Bums yesterday a good question happened into my
>
mind... Does anyone think that one of the forces contributing to Jack's
>
alcoholism and death was the internal conflict between his Buddhist and
>
Catholic beliefs? I get the feeling
that in his old (not really, but
>
lack of better word) age he was turning against all that he had done with
>
his life (shown in his dislike for the pranksters and such).. perhaps he
>
was feeling guilty, thus drank to lose feelings of guilt, and purposely
>
(as in leaving los vegas) drank himself to death? a slow suicide? I'm
>
just wondering, perhaps someone can help me out with this one?
>
>
jennie
>
>
****** jennie42@asu.edu ******
>
>
#28 There is no sin-
> I know perfectly well
> where I am
> -Jack Kerouac
>
> WE
ARE SEARCHING
>
FOR RATIONAL REASONS
>
FOR BELIEVING
> IN
THE ABSURD
> -Harold Norse (from the poem
"Believing in the Absurd")
>
---------------------------------------
i think
about that conflict often. imagining
the pope and zen master in
a fist
fight over whiskey at Joe's bar and grill.
certainly a lesson in
accepting
opposites. such strains Affect the
psyche i guarantee.
david
rhaesa
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Late night and Kicks Joy Darkness
Kicks,
Joy, Darkness
some
selected readings suggested while listening to the KJC CD.
Lord
Byron. 1788-1824.
...
Still from the fount of joy's delicious springs
... On
with the dance! let joy be unconfined;
... And
storm and darkness! ye are wondrous strong,
... And
I have loved thee, Ocean! and my joy
...
There 's not a joy the world can give like that it takes away.
... All
who joy would win
...
From crowns to kicks, according to their vices. 38
Joy,
Darkness
William
Shakespeare. Macbeth.
... The
instruments of darkness tell us truths,
... I
drink to the general joy o' the whole table.
John
Milton. 1608-1674.
... No
light, but rather darkness visible.
...
Where joy forever dwells: hail, horrors!
...
With joy and love triumphing.
...
Such joy ambition finds.
... Of
darkness till it smil'd!
... May
sit i' th' centre and enjoy bright day;
...
Enjoy your dear wit and gay rhetoric,
Alexander
Pope. 1688-1744.
... And
more true joy Marcellus exil'd feels
... And
universal darkness buries all.
... Who
ne'er knew joy but friendship might divide,
... The
melancholy joy of evils past:
...
(The good man prolongs his life; to be able to enjoy one's past life
is to
live twice).--Martial, x.
237.
Henry
W. Longfellow. 1807-1882.
... The
day is done, and the darkness
...
Must love and joy and sorrow learn;
Robert
Browning. 1812-1890.
... For
life, with all it yields of joy and woe,
... Of
pain, darkness, and cold.
James
Russell Lowell. 1819-1891.
... And
the choice goes by forever 'twixt that darkness and that light.
... Joy
comes, grief goes, we know not how.
Old
Testament.
... The
land of darkness and the shadow of death.
...
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is Mount Zion,
22
... the
city of the great King.
... Nor
for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for... the
destruction
that wasteth at noonday. 37
...
Give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the
garment
of praise for the spirit of
heaviness.
... The
hill of Sion is a fair place, and the joy of the whole
earth.--Ibid.
... For
the pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor for the sickness
that
destroyeth in the
noonday.--Ibid.
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From: Ufficio Stampa Teatro Smeraldo
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Subject: Jack & Jazz
Hi
everybody!
from
the "cloudy shores of Italy", I have two questions to ask you:
- which
kind of LIVE jazz was jack kerouac used to listen to during his
life? I
mean: in which jazz clubs did he go often to, in which towns and
in
which period? Do exist any LETTER (apart from references contained in
published
books) in which these details are booked, or does he remember
any
live jam session or jazz musician he met or knew?
- who
are the jazz musicians playing with him during his Mexico City
Blues
and On The Road reading recording? I have a "copy-of-the-copy" of
that
tape and no one could tell me when, where and with whom it was
recorded...
Thank
you very much for your help.
Bye,
Laura :.)
--
Laura
Moja
Ufficio
Stampa
Teatro
Smeraldo
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Subject: Re: A Note to the Peacekeepers
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hey
jerry:
usually
i am an active participant in restoring peace to the list, as many
here
may know. actually, i had unsubbed, then when i returned, i came into
the fur
flying and furiously long posts, took me a long time to get my
sealegs.
i've
held off until i could read all of mr anstee's voluminous and
vitriolic
posts, a dirty job, but in interests of truth and some justice,
i had
to sort this whole danged mess out.
and rod
i'm not
in the least surprised to find you up to your usual tricks, just
sad to
see that once again, you rely on acid rather than your own batteries.
mc
-to
live outside the law you must be honest - i think bob dylan sed that...
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Subject: Re: To the Peacemakers...
In-Reply-To:
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wes
wrote
>Hello,
Jerry! Well, I'll tell you what:
there's a reason I never post
>anything
>to
Rod Anstee. I still remember the crap
he threw at Ron Whitehead (not to
>mention
others). He's a man with his own
agenda, and he does what strikes his
>fancy...
whether anybody "puts up with it" or not. Silence is not being party
>to
him. So, since my inaction is a
statement, let the statement be I
>won't
be a
>party
to any of it, nor will I let someone like Anstee dictate any of my
>actions
>or
reactions. As I posted in an open
letter to Gerry Nicosia, I believe he's
>made
his point, and made it well. The other
guys are just making asses out of
>themselves...
my impression is that they like to make asses of themselves.
>
>Why
should I waste my time posting to them?
It won't change anything they do.
>Only
reasonable people listen to reasonable voices.
>
>All
the best, ---Wes
*****************
hello
wes! couldnt agree more, and believe i said same the last time rod
bullied
one of our angels off list, i still miss ron whitehead, too, wes.
and i
dislike bullies intensely.
yrs
mc
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Subject: send lawyers guns and money the shit has
hit the fan
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gads.
mc
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Subject: any one know if this is still in print?
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Elegiac Feelings American and was published
in
paperback
by New Directions Books
333
Sixth Avenue
New
York, NY 10014
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i so
enjoyed rBk's quotations and would love to get my hands on a copy.
thanks
all.
mc
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 06:44:15 -0400
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: Re: Ma Tucker
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rBk
wrote (snip fore and aft)
>She
gave us advice about
>Living
each day as it comes,
>To
love each other,
>And
we looked into each other,
>Kristi
and I and saw the same.
>We
could not
>Ease
her pain.
>We
could not take her with us,
>So
we left her there,
>With
her mother,
>And
they rent rooms,
>$5.00
a night.
>Reasonable
rates,
>At
any hotel.
>
>--
>
>Typing
this brings a particular sadness to my heart.
About one year
>ago at the age of 39, Kristi committed
suicide. The sadness is deep
>and I miss her pained spirit. But needless to say, we were not who Ma
>Tuckers
daughter thought us to be. This is
almost word for word and is
>not
really a poem. Just an observation.
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thanks,
rBk. and the above quote is poignantly
poetic.
mc
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 07:10:17 -0500
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From: talk dirty to me
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Subject: Re: Rod Is Off Base!
i wish
we all had i-phones so we could really rip
and
tear. maybe even video conferencing
woo
hooooo!!!
jeremy
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: From:
Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
: To:
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:
Subject: Re: Rod Is Off Base!
: Date:
Tuesday, May 27, 1997 12:05 AM
:
: Rod
wrote:
:
:
"At least I'm not being accused of mis-quoting!"
:
:
: No
Rod, you're only being accused of criminal activity! Any mistake I've
: ever
made on the Beat-l has been an honest error.
You on the other hand
: enjoy
hurting people. Tearing at them. Betraying their confidence.
:
:
You're a real stand up guy, Rod!
:
:
: Jerry
Cimino
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From: "M. Cakebread"
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Subject: Re: send lawyers guns and money the shit
has hit the fan
Thanx
Marie,
Think
I'll go throw on some Warren Zevon and do
the
Wilbury Twist. {;^>
Mike
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 07:31:55 -0400
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: "...a gum in your hand?!?"
Jerry Cimino wrote:
"...anyone who isn't shooting in the
same direction as you
is the
enemy! Maybe it shouldn't be that way,
but it's human nature that it
is."
Which is why arguing with a 'gun' in
your hand/mouth is such a bad,
and
unworkable idea.
....always good to check one's
spelling; I had 'gum' instead
of
'gun' first time!
"If you're not with me, you must
be against me." is a nice
simpifying
assumption if you're choosing religious sides, but has no place
on the
Beat list. We're all a little right and a little wrong with lots of
usable
stuff in the middle..
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 07:32:01 -0400
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Hoops anyone?
Anyone
for a little hoops? ...or pick up
hurley? Crazy Irish game
seemingly
bred of Gaelic
Football
and Lacrosse and capable of truly sustained violence!
Ref: ********
Bill Gargan
Coach:**********
Jan Kerouac John Sampas
Team members:************
The Solitary Riders vs. The Conspirators
Gerry Nicosia Rod Anstee
Bentz Kirby Phil Chaput
Jerry Cimino Paul Maher
Wes Lundberg Attila Gyenis
Mike Cakebread Ann Charters
Substitutes can sign on here; please
indicate affiliation and
language
of choice when swearing!
...Jack's bringin' the wine
and burgers for the after game
feast!
Apologies to everyone who didn't get
picked for one of the teams.
...and
are standing around the schoolyard loking like you could care less!?!
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips