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From: talk dirty to me
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Subject: Re: What should I read?
vanity
is good
i
haven't read desolation yet but a friend
of mine
has and he loved it.
vanity
is kind of a culmination. yet it is a good
beginning
even though it was the last part in the
whole
autobiographical series. so, i'd try
it.
or on
the road, the most famous.
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: From:
Tipper Quigg <quigg@INFORAMP.NET>
: To:
Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
:
Subject: What should I read?
: Date:
Wednesday, May 28, 1997 4:10 PM
:
: I've come to ask the great Beat
community what should I read?
I've
: just
finished reading Dharma Bums, and now I don't know what to
read...Here
: are
the books on my list that I still haven't read:
:
: Queer- William Burroughs
: Desolation Angels- Jack Kerouac
: Vanity of Duluoz- Jack Kerouac
: Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac
:
:
: If you can tell I'm a huge Kerouac
fan and Burroughs is right
behind
:
him.... I can't wait for your opinions...
:
:
:
:
: help
the economy...buy a Neil Young album...
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From: "M. Cakebread"
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Subject: Re: What's the word on Dylan?
At
06:31 PM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>By
now, I suppose that everyone on the list has heard a
>news
blurb that confirms what Mike told us earlier re:
>Dylan
--- appears to be a dangerous heart infection and
>Columbia
records is not saying where he is being treated.
Don't
worry, you won't get the real story from
Columbia!! {;^> I'll see what I can dig up.
Mike
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From: Malcolm Lawrence
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Subject: It would be his heart...
Comments:
To: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell <sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu>,
"Wingert, Dave"
<DWingy@aol.com>
Off the
AP wire
Bob Dylan Hospitalized
Legendary rocker Bob Dylan has been
hospitalized for treatment of a
potentially life-threatening disease. His
publicists say Dylan entered
an undisclosed hospital last weekend because
of severe chest pains. The
publicists say Dylan has been diagnosed with
a disease called
histoplamosis, which is a potentially fatal
infection that creates swelling in
the
sack that surrounds the heart. News reports
in London say the 56-year-old
singer/songwriter is hospitalized in New
York, but Dylan's publicists
would not confirm that. Dylan's publicists
today called off a European tour.
Dylan is considered the most influential
songwriter of his generation.
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From: Michael Czarnecki
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Subject: Re: let's put the fun back in
dysfunction!
I'm
looking forward to it and we'll coordinate more as we get closer. Been
enjoying
the poems you've been posting. A sunny, almost hot day here today.
A good
day for oranges.
Michael
Antoine
expresssed some interest in what's going on too.
>i'm
there, mike, just need to check out ferry on lake champlain, and wings
>to
whisk me from landing to the fest. (and i actually have a handfulla
>pomes
to share like oranges on a sunny hot day
>mc
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From: west <anwest@UP.NET>
Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
>
>Whoa. I have to say that if we are talking about
the superority of the
>one
of the beats, my vote is in there for Allen Ginsberg. He was by far
>the
greatest poet of the twentieth century
Diane,
I enjoy Allen Ginsberg more than oxygen, but
that's a pretty hefty
claim.
I would enjoy a reason if you please.
west
I
belong to the blank generation
and I
can take or leave it each time
-Richard
Hell
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From: "Dawn B. Sova"
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Subject: Re: It would be his heart...
Thank
you, Malcs (pardon my familiarity -- but i believe that you signed
earlier
posts in this manner), for the AP message re: Bob Dylan. I
appreciate
whatever word is passed on to the list -- and, not really wanting
to
speak for others but, I expect that others among the 200 feel the same.
Dawn
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: What's the word on Dylan?
M.
Cakebread wrote:
>
> At
06:31 PM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>By now, I suppose that everyone on the list has heard a
>
>news blurb that confirms what Mike told us earlier re:
>
>Dylan --- appears to be a dangerous heart infection and
>
>Columbia records is not saying where he is being treated.
>
>
Don't worry, you won't get the real story from
>
Columbia!! {;^> I'll see what I can
dig up.
>
>
Mike
woke up
from long siesta to all this news....
remember
every face Bob and
may God
Bless and keep
and
stay
along
the Watchtower
far
between sundowns finish and
midnights
broken toll
i'm
with you in my heart and soul where you are
now and
go here and forever
david
rhaesa
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From: Jeffrey Weinberg
<Waterrow@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirts
In a
message dated 97-05-28 18:36:48 EDT, you write:
<<
no prob jeff
everybody will still be here
thanks again
jeremy lawson >>
Thanks
Jeremy -
That's
the kind of community spirit we all need to recapture here!!
Let's
get back to Beatness!!
Let's
show Levi Asher that we are worthwhile to subscribe to once again....
JW
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From: John Mitchell
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Subject: re-Jan's funeral
Gerry
Nicosia wrote:
<I've
been cut out of Jan's burial, just as I have been cut out of a lot of
<things
in the last few years. . . . As for me,
I guess I'll sneak in
someday
<when all the furor and hatred have passed, and pay my respects
too.
<Say
a prayer for Jan for me that day, will you? Best, Gerry Nicosia
It is
sad and now sarodically comic that Mr. Nicosia has been cut out of
Jan's
funeral, but one imagines Hamlet and Laertes (Sampas as Polonius?)
leaping
into Ophelia's grave and dueling there over her reputation and
estate. Alas, poor Yorick! We've come to know him well.
// John M.
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
<CVEditions@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: let's put the fun back in
dysfunction!
In a
message dated 97-05-28 10:43:28 EDT, you write:
<< driving up from Corning, NY - Finger Lakes,
NY through
Oneonta, Schenectedy/Albany etc. >>
Michael,
You
must be backtrailing the old Mohawk Trail.
Pam
Plymell
Cherry
Valley
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Subject: Re: charlie and son on road
Patricia:
Thanks. Send the Rose when you retrieve it from its
pressing, Charley will
sign
it.
Pam
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: What should I read?
In a
message dated 97-05-28 19:41:50 EDT, you write:
<< Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac >>
Tipper:
When
you read Dr. Sax, you should also read Last of the Moccasins by Charles
Plymell
available from Waterrow Books (waterrow@aol.com). There are so many
books
to recommend, to start Naked Lunch is a must.
Pam
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From: Jeanne Vaccaro
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Subject: Re: It would be his heart...
Yea,
definately. I am so sad, I cannot believe this. God, I mean, ahhh! Pray
for
him, I surely will be. I know that he
will be fine. After everything he
has
been through, he has to be...
sigh,
ciao, jeanne.
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From: Antoine Maloney
<stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>
Subject: Dylan memories
David,
Very nice and somehow comforting to
see you string those lines
together
so seeming effortlessly. Do you remember when you first heard
Dylan?
...and what was the most memorable hearing of him?
I was in my room in boarding school
(Portsmouth, RI just down the
road
from Newport...) just after Christmas in 1963. John Cadley had come
back
with the first album and as a senior was allowed to have a record
player.
He played the album endlessly learning lyrics and tablature phrase
by
phrase, but I loved every minute, although not everyone did!
I had been listening to a mixture of
Odetta, Joan Baez, Tom Lehrer,
Piaf,
Dion and the Belmonts and lots of oldies rock n' roll. Fortunately I'd
also
borrowed - and kept for most of a summer the Smithsonian history of
American
Music going from the blues with the likes of a teenaged Sonny
Terry,
through Bix Beiderbeck, Billie Holiday and on...
Then all of a sudden there was Dylan.
He stayed a pretty little
known
singer for a long time among my friends. I can remember being at the
beach
when the Animals version of "House of the Rising Sun" was played the
first
time. [Groton Town Beach Marie if you were ever over that way] and I
went
ballistic. Someone was singing Bob Dylan songs on top 40 (never mind he
didn't
write it!)
That must have been summer of '64 and
the next summer I was standing
on a
chair about 20 rows back as Dylan went electric. Read "On the Road" a
few
years later without for a long, long time making the connection between
Jack
and that cool bearded guy (Ginsberg) that I saw in photos with Dylan.
...and
the Rolling Thunder Tour was pretty great. Saw him in Montreal in '66
I guess
with a "pick-up" band called the Hawks and thought "shit,
where's
Bloomfield
and Kooper" and then Garth touched his organ keys!
Apologies for the only slightly Beat
post. Very affected by
reminiscence
of first few posts about Allen Ginsberg.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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From: Bill Philibin
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Subject: Re: A quickie question
>
alright, I'm new here and basically new to Beat so this may be a stupid
>
question, but I was reading the portable Beat reader and an excerpt from
>
junk had a character named Jack that killed somebody with a pipe and a
>
faucet. Is that Mr. Kerouac?
I think that he beat some poor guy to
deat with a musical instrument or
something...
I can't remember which book I saw that in. Maybe The town and
the
city or a biography or something. But
it was more of a hint and then
nothing
else...
-Bill
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Dylan memories
Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>
>
David,
>
> Very nice and somehow comforting to
see you string those lines
>
together so seeming effortlessly. Do you remember when you first heard
>
Dylan? ...and what was the most memorable hearing of him?
>
> I was in my room in boarding school
(Portsmouth, RI just down the
>
road from Newport...) just after Christmas in 1963. John Cadley had come
>
back with the first album and as a senior was allowed to have a record
>
player. He played the album endlessly learning lyrics and tablature phrase
> by
phrase, but I loved every minute, although not everyone did!
>
> I had been listening to a mixture of
Odetta, Joan Baez, Tom Lehrer,
>
Piaf, Dion and the Belmonts and lots of oldies rock n' roll. Fortunately I'd
>
also borrowed - and kept for most of a summer the Smithsonian history of
>
American Music going from the blues with the likes of a teenaged Sonny
>
Terry, through Bix Beiderbeck, Billie Holiday and on...
>
> Then all of a sudden there was Dylan.
He stayed a pretty little
>
known singer for a long time among my friends. I can remember being at the
>
beach when the Animals version of "House of the Rising Sun" was
played the
>
first time. [Groton Town Beach Marie if you were ever over that way] and I
>
went ballistic. Someone was singing Bob Dylan songs on top 40 (never mind he
>
didn't write it!)
>
> That must have been summer of '64 and
the next summer I was standing
> on
a chair about 20 rows back as Dylan went electric. Read "On the Road"
a
>
few years later without for a long, long time making the connection between
>
Jack and that cool bearded guy (Ginsberg) that I saw in photos with Dylan.
>
...and the Rolling Thunder Tour was pretty great. Saw him in Montreal in '66
> I
guess with a "pick-up" band called the Hawks and thought "shit,
where's
>
Bloomfield and Kooper" and then Garth touched his organ keys!
>
> Apologies for the only slightly Beat
post. Very affected by
>
reminiscence of first few posts about Allen Ginsberg.
>
> Antoine
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who
doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
there
has been an odd connection for me for so long.
in the
Chronicle of the Twentieth Century one of the headlines for the
week i
was born was Dylan heading from Minnesota to New York. hard to
believe
that one.
ummm. i imagine i heard him in college - but lived
with two friends who
mostly
had wars of sound between Rolling Stones and the Who.
Kevin
Downey in Hanover turned me on to OTR, Phil Ochs, and Bob Dylan at
nearly
the same time. He was a student of
mine. recall visiting
Folkways
in New York City on a trip shortly after that. Have a copy of
Mo
Asch(sp?)'s copy of Broadside issue with Phil Och's retrospective.
bought
albums with blind boy grunt and all of that.
recall playing Ochs
and
Dylan on the Dartmouth Green at "Artists Against Apartheid" rally in
86 or
so. after that it turned to deeper and
deeper interest. Don't
recall
first time I heard Hwy 61 Revisited but it certainly changed me.
Read
everything about Dylan i could find.
used to judge a library or
bookstore
by its Dylan section. recall talking to
the hippest of the
Iowa
faculty in my department (while i was tripping) about the potential
for a
dissertation connections contemporary social theory with dylan and
he said
impossible. a sad day. during my first trip into insanity i
sometimes
survived by Dylan lyrics. i recall the
note i left my ex-wife
about
the division of our possessions was "take what you need and leave
the
rest" :) many many many
memories. only saw him in concert (in
real-life)
once in Iowa City. i recall Sue Tjardes
calling my office
phone
and leaving a message with a student worker not to forget my
appointment
with Mr. Zimmerman. She'd bought my
ticket. and she really
got me
on that one. i was running around the
damn place "who's Mr.
Zimmerman. Who's this damn Mr. Zimmerman!" then it hit me. i've never
laughed
so hard. several of us met at Sue's and
played Dylan songs
before
the concert. all playing what we wanted
to hear. he played
every
song i'd played in the concert.
sometimes life is amazing. flash
forward. Memorial Day picked up my guitar for the
third time in three
years
and played "I shall be released" with no knowledge.
am
looking on web pages about "histoplamosis" but it is difficult to
make
too much sense of the medical terminology.
it appears that there
is a
medication which is fairly successful in treatment.
many
memories. i hope that they
continue. what am i talking about -
they'll
continue no matter what happens ... connections this deep -
conscious
or unconscious never leave.
and for
the next verse i'll tell of my trips on Highway 61 .......
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: What should I read?
Tipper
Quigg wrote:
>
> I've come to ask the great Beat
community what should I read? I've
>
just finished reading Dharma Bums, and now I don't know what to read...Here
>
are the books on my list that I still haven't read:
>
> Queer- William Burroughs
> Desolation Angels- Jack Kerouac
> Vanity of Duluoz- Jack Kerouac
> Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac
>
Tipper,
You
need some poetry on this list. As
places to start I would suggest
Ginsberg's
Howl and Reality Sandwhiches, and a nice smattering of
Snyder,
Welch and Whalen, but then those are my tastes. Robert
Creeley, and the Black Mtn people also fit here.
James
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Re: Dylan memories
David
wrote:
"Don't recall first time I heard Hwy 61
Revisited but it certainly changed
me."
"....and for the next
verse i'll tell of my trips on Highway
61
......."
David,
Must confess one of my great
embarrassing blind spots; until digging
into
the history of Son House and the deep blues of Mississippi, I never
amde
the Highway 61 connection...never crossed my mind that it was a real
road! Truly one of my favorite songs along with
Tangled up in Blue and
Blind
Willie McTell - but then I could sit here all night typing song titles!
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: What's the word on Dylan?
Dawn B.
Sova wrote:
>
> By
now, I suppose that everyone on the list has heard a news blurb that
>
confirms what Mike told us earlier re: Dylan --- appears to be a dangerous
>
heart infection and Columbia records is not saying where he is being treated.
>
> A
major influence on my life -- I feel as if I am waiting for word about a
>
family member.
>
>
Dawn
I hope
this is not like when we got the word on Allen's pancreatic
cancer. Dylan is huge for me, as I am sure he is for
a lot of
listmembers. Let's hope for a good end to this particular
story.
It's
not time for Dylan yet, that's for sure.
James
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From: James Stauffer
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Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
Diane
wrote
my vote is in there for Allen Ginsberg. He was by far
>
>the greatest poet of the twentieth century
Another
one who loves Allen, but greater than Pound, greater than
Williams,
etc-?-I'm not ready to go nearly that far, would love to see a
defense
of that one. The greatest poet of a
century is a pretty tall
order,
and I have only mentioned writers working in English.
James>
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From: Diane Carter
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Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
west
wrote:
>
>
Diane,
> I enjoy Allen Ginsberg more than oxygen, but
that's a pretty hefty
>
claim. I would enjoy a reason if you please.
I was
going to say Allen Ginsberg was the greatest American poet of the
twentieth
century but after I wrote "he was by far the greatest poet of
the
twentieth century," I realized that I do indeed believe that to be
the
case. Here's a go at the why. Allen broke barriers of language and
of the
mind. He was the only contemporary
visionary poet and I think,
the
first since Walt Whitman. Allen had the
visionary inspiration of
Blake
but he was able to connect his vision to an America we all know.
He was
true to poetic inspiration, and that was an inspiration that could
come
from the streets, bars, jails, and madhouses, and at the same time
go
beyond them. He was able to face the
darkness of his own mind, the
darkness
of America, but write poems that were positive. He was able to
adapt
to a changing society and never lose sight of his vision; he was
able
over many generations to create a body of work that was still
timely. He was able to live on the edge but never
fall off the edge.
Through
his poetry he gave other poets permission to be themselves. He
literally
saved people's lives because he allowed them the space within
his
words to see that their thoughts were OK and that words were only
just
that...words. Self-involvement in
poetry can go beyond the self,
indulging
in humanness can open the mind to a space beyond humaness. I
think
Howl was was his most important work and it speaks to me as much
today
as it did when I read it for the first time twenty years ago,
>From
Howl
"and
who therefore ran through the icy streets obsessed with a sudden
flash
of the use of the elipse the catalog the meter & the vibrating
plane
the truth of poetry,
who
dreamt and made incarnate gaps in Time and Space through images
juxtaposed,
and trapped the archangel of the soul between two visual
images...to
recreate the syntax and measure of poor human prose, and
stand
before you speechless and intelligent and shaking with shame,
rejected
yet confessing out the soul to the rhythm of thought in his
naked
and endless head..."(from Howl).
Quickly,
that's my stab at why. What do you
think?
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From: James Stauffer
<stauffer@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: re-Jan's funeral
John
Mitchell wrote:
>
>
Gerry Nicosia wrote:
>
>
<I've been cut out of Jan's burial, just as I have been cut out of a lot of
>
<things in the last few years. . . .
As for me, I guess I'll sneak in
>
someday <when all the furor and hatred have passed, and pay my respects
>
too.
>
<Say a prayer for Jan for me that day, will you? Best, Gerry Nicosia
>
> It
is sad and now sarodically comic that Mr. Nicosia has been cut out of
>
Jan's funeral, but one imagines Hamlet and Laertes (Sampas as Polonius?)
>
leaping into Ophelia's grave and dueling there over her reputation and
>
estate. Alas, poor Yorick! We've come to know him well. // John M.
John,
Your
posts (along with Bill Gargan's stoic
occasional refereeing) have
been
the only thing that have kept me a step short of homicidal during
this
Great Jack Kerouac Estate War. The
Homeric tone, and now
Shakespeare,
are perfect. Thanks for knowing when to
talk, and what I
have
never learned, when to shut up.
James
Stauffer
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From: "Robert H. Sapp"
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Subject: Plattsburg
Hello
Beat-list members,
Can the
person who originally mentioned it, or any other knowlegeable
soul,
provide me with some more info about the June event? Is it an
existing
poetry festival or just a get together.?
or
What?
From,
Eric
rhs4@crystal.palace.net
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Dylan memories
Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>
>
David wrote:
> "Don't recall first time I heard Hwy
61 Revisited but it certainly changed
>
me."
>
> "....and for the next
verse i'll tell of my trips on Highway
> 61
......."
>
>
David,
>
> Must confess one of my great
embarrassing blind spots; until digging
>
into the history of Son House and the deep blues of Mississippi, I never
>
amde the Highway 61 connection...never crossed my mind that it was a real
>
road! Truly one of my favorite songs
along with Tangled up in Blue and
>
Blind Willie McTell - but then I could sit here all night typing song titles!
>
> Antoine
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who
doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
God
said to Abraham (zimmerman)
give me
a son ....
61
where the blues traveled north
also a
fine drive up 61 to the North Country
never
did catch that
girl
just a
blizzard
and a
CD store called Postively 4th Street
and the
salesboy
didn't
know Dylan from Frank Sinatra
reading
Tarantula at random
in
Salina
and
listening to
Bob
Dillon
someplace
in a
soul near
Marysville
Kansas.
david
rhaesa
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From: Diane Carter
<dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>
Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
RACE
--- wrote:
>
> my
votes, as if anyone cares, are as follows
>
>
tie for first - burroughs and neal.
>
>
tie for third - ginsberg and kerouac
>
> fifth
- corso
>
>
tie for sixth - everyone else.
>
> it
seems to me from the little i've gathered so far that burroughs was
>
the intellectual and anthropological force and neal was the motion and
> go
go go behind everything else.
>
>
just my wooden nickel
>
>
david rhaesa
Given
your list, I'm curious to find out, in terms of writing produced,
how you
think the works of the others would have turned out, if they had
never
met Neal.
DC
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From: "Robert H. Sapp"
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Subject: Greatest Poets
theres
been mention of "Ginsberg is the greatest poet of 20th Cent." and
a
suggestion that maybe Pound, Willie Wiiliams, etc...
Good
sound insignificant FUN thread....!
Personally,
i think the notion of A single greatest poet is self defeating.
Though
my list of favorites, so far (in exposure, time), would include
Ginsy,
Jack Kerouac, cummmmmmminnngs, Buk, Corso, Ferlinghetti, Bob
Dylan,
and the list grows. . .
spilling
randomness,
Eric
What do
you get when you teach a donkey about Freud?
Ass -
Id
Acid!
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From: James Stauffer
<stauffer@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Dylan memories
Comments:
To: RACE --- <race@midusa.net>
RACE
--- wrote:
Read "On the Road" a
>
> few years later without for a long, long time making the connection
between
>
> Jack and that cool bearded guy (Ginsberg) that I saw in photos with Dylan.
>
> ...and the Rolling Thunder Tour was pretty great. Saw him in Montreal in
'66
>
> I guess with a "pick-up" band called the Hawks and thought
"shit, where's
>
> Bloomfield and Kooper" and then Garth touched his organ keys!
>
>
>
> Apologies for the only
slightly Beat post. Very affected by
>
> reminiscence of first few posts about Allen Ginsberg.
>
>
>
> Antoine
>
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
>
>
> "An anarchist is someone
who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to
do!"
>
> -- Norman
Navrotsky and Utah Phillips
>
>
there has been an odd connection for me for so long.
>
> in
the Chronicle of the Twentieth Century one of the headlines for the
>
week i was born was Dylan heading from Minnesota to New York. hard to
>
believe that one.
>
>
ummm. i imagine i heard him in college
- but lived with two friends who
>
mostly had wars of sound between Rolling Stones and the Who.
>
>
Kevin Downey in Hanover turned me on to OTR, Phil Ochs, and Bob Dylan at
>
nearly the same time. He was a student
of mine. recall visiting
>
Folkways in New York City on a trip shortly after that. Have a copy of
> Mo
Asch(sp?)'s copy of Broadside issue with Phil Och's retrospective.
>
bought albums with blind boy grunt and all of that. recall playing Ochs
>
and Dylan on the Dartmouth Green at "Artists Against Apartheid" rally
in
> 86
or so. after that it turned to deeper
and deeper interest. Don't
>
recall first time I heard Hwy 61 Revisited but it certainly changed me.
>
Read everything about Dylan i could find.
used to judge a library or
>
bookstore by its Dylan section. recall
talking to the hippest of the
>
Iowa faculty in my department (while i was tripping) about the potential
>
for a dissertation connections contemporary social theory with dylan and
> he
said impossible. a sad day.
I saw
an interesting interview with Al Kooper on the effect of that
orga work with Dylan. He had never really been an organ player, just
agreed
to do that organ work to get in the session, and it changed his
life. But I liked him with the Blues Project
also.,
James
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From: Tipper Quigg
<quigg@INFORAMP.NET>
Subject: Re: What should I read?
At
08:43 28/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
a message dated 97-05-28 19:41:50 EDT, you write:
>
><< Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac >>
>
>Tipper:
>When
you read Dr. Sax, you should also read Last of the Moccasins by Charles
>Plymell
available from Waterrow Books (waterrow@aol.com). There are so many
>books
to recommend, to start Naked Lunch is a must.
>Pam
>
>
> Oh I've read Naked Lunch and worship
it...I've read a whole bunch of
stuff,
these are just the ones I have left to read....
Peace
Tipper
help
the economy...buy a Neil Young album...
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From: Joe
<100106.1102@COMPUSERVE.COM>
in the
realm of fear and fantasy
i am
drunk in charge of my mind
in the realm of
spontaneous reality
i am
stoned at the wheel of my dream
anxious
not to
be
caught
out
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From: Jerry Cimino
<Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
Subject: This List is Stong
There
is a certain person who shall remain nameless who seems to be trying to
use a
series of posts about who is going to be left to buy a particular
T-Shirt
as a vehicle to continue his argument that the heated disussions over
the
Estate Debate has seriously damaged the Beat-L. This nameless person is
trying
to create the impression that this list is going to dry up and blow
away
due to some of the heat that was generated the last few weeks. And
given
some of this nameless person's previous posts about me personally I get
the
distinct impression he is trying to make it look like only one particular
"Basketball
Team" is to blame for people unsubscribing. I must take issue
with
this entire line of reasoning!
In the
wee hours of the morning I went thru a bunch of emails that I
downloaded
to my computer. Specifically I used the
Listserv return message
where
it says "YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN
SUCCESSFULLY DISTRIBUTED TO XXX PEOPLE
ON THE
BEAT-L" to track the number of people that have been on the list since
the
beginning of the year.
(As an
aside I have heard before that the number of people mentioned in this
return
message is not exactly the number of people on the list, that in fact
there
are more people on the list than are mentioned in that message.
Regardless of the accuracy of the number I
would imagine the ratios must be
relatively
accurate, which would suggest the conclusions should be the same.
And if I am in any way inaccurate in any of
this I would appreciate a
correction
providing the true data.)
Here's
what my research indicates:
DATE # of Beat-l Recipients
01/16/97 169
01/21/97 179
01/26/97 182
02/24/97 185
03/24/97 200
04/05/97 Allen Ginsberg Dies
04/07/97 229
04/08/97 231
04/09/97 241
04/13/97 245
04/20/97 Rod Anstee's Estate
Saga Post
04/24/97 Gerry Nicosia joins
the list
04/26/97 226
04/30/97 214
05/01/97 212
05/02/97 203
05/03/97 200
05/04/97 205
05/05/97 211
05/07/97 207
05/11/97 210
05/14/97 205
05/16/97 207
05/23/97 202
05/24/97 200
05/25/97 193 Memorial Day Weekend
05/26/97 194
05/27/97 193
05/28/97 186 The Big Sign-Off
What
this tells me is despite the fact that a few people signed off
temporarily
in protest we are not in danger of destroying this list. We all
know
people come and go from this thing all the time. People sign on for a
while
and sign off after a day or two - happens all the time - how often do
we see
a post that says "Get me oughta here"?
And of
course we saw a big blip when AG died and after a week or two people
started
unsubbing who didn't want to hang around.
And we continued to see
fluctuations
and then the Big Sign Off from Monday also happened to coincide
with
the Memorial Day weekend.
Now
other than Derek and Levi I don't know who may or may not have unsubbed,
and I
think we're all relatively confident those two will reappear when the
smoke
has cleared.
My
conclusion therefore is I do not believe the Beat-l is in any mortal
danger. We all survived the Whitehead/Anstee war of
six months ago and we'll
survive
the Great Estate Debate as well. And I
venture to say there will be
more
flame wars in the future over who knows what and I'll bet a dollar to
donuts
we survive those as well.
We Will
Now Return Control Of Your Televison Sets...
Jerry
Cimino
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From: Natalie Foster
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Subject: Re: Greatest Poets
Add
William Carlos Williams??
natalie
----------
From: Robert H. Sapp[SMTP:rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 9:58 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L
Subject: Greatest Poets
theres
been mention of "Ginsberg is the greatest poet of 20th Cent." and
a
suggestion that maybe Pound, Willie Wiiliams, etc...
Good
sound insignificant FUN thread....!
Personally,
i think the notion of A single greatest poet is self defeating.
Though
my list of favorites, so far (in exposure, time), would include
Ginsy,
Jack Kerouac, cummmmmmminnngs, Buk, Corso, Ferlinghetti, Bob
Dylan,
and the list grows. . .
spilling
randomness,
Eric
What do
you get when you teach a donkey about Freud?
Ass -
Id
Acid!
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
<bocelts@SCSN.NET>
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Subject: Naked Lunch
Pam:
Starting
Naked Lunch is one thing, finishing it another. Understanding
it,
well, I don't know.
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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From: Adrien Begrand
<vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: parting words
I'll be
leaving the list for an indefinite period, but I'd like to say
that
since I joined last September for the most part beat-l was
extremely
beneficial to me. It reached its zenith two months ago, but
unfortunately
its nadir is occuring now.
Before
I leave, however:
Rinaldo:
keep it up, you're the beetle poet laureate. Loved all yr
posts,
including the floods.
Marie:
you're the voice of reason, hope you're still here if and when I
return.
Jeffrey:
Don't worry, I have every intention of honoring my t-shirt
promise.
Mr.
Nicosia, Mr. Anstee, and the others involved in bringing this list
down:
sure, a couple of you may be published writers, but yr constant
posturing
and ego-defending has left me with a sour taste in my mouth.
You've
all been acting like a bunch of babies these past few weeks. It
took a
horrifiying personal tragedy today to teach me how petty yr
constant
caterwauling has been.
Cheers
to all the rest,
hope to
see you all soon.
Adios
Adrien
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From: Adrien Begrand
<vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: (no subject)
FATHER
DEATH BLUES
Hey
father death, I'm flying home
Hey
poor man, you're all alone
Hey old
daddy, I know where I'm going
Father
Death, Don't cry anymore
Mama's
there, underneath the floor
Brother
Death, please mind the store
Old
Aunty Death Don't hide your bones
Old
Uncle Death I hear your groans
O
Sister Death how sweet your moans
O
Children Deaths go breathe your breaths
Sobbing
breasts'll ease your Deaths
Pain is
gone, tears take the rest
Genius
death your art is done
Lover
Death your body's gone
Father
Death I'm coming home
Guru
Death your words are true
Teacher
Death I do thank you
For
inspiring me to sing this Blues
Buddha
Death, I wake with you
Dharma
Death, your mind is new
Sangha
Death, we'll work it through
Suffering
is what was born
Ignorance
made me forlorn
Tearful
truths I cannot scorn
Father
Breath once more farewell
Birth
you gave was no thing ill
My
heart is still, as time will tell.
tearfully
yrs
and
with an eli eli lama lama sabachtani saxophone cry,
Adrien
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:18:49 -0400
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Subject: The Devil Came From Kansas
The
Devil Came From Kansas
(music
Gary Brooker/words Keith Reid)
4th cut
first side of Procol Harum/A Salty Dog A&M SP 3123
1969
I.
The
Devil came from Kansas
Where
he went to, I can't say.
Though
I teach, I'm not a preacher,
And I
aim to stay that way.
There's
a monkey riding on my back
Been
there for some time
He says
he knows me very well
And
he's no friend of mine.
Chorus:
I'm not
a humble pilgrim,
There's
no need to scrap and squeeze,
Don't
beg for silver paper,
When
I'm trying to sell you cheap (cheese???).
II.
The
Devil came from Kansas
Where
he went to I can't say
And if
you really are my brother
Then
you better start to pray,
For the
sins of those departed
And
those about to go
There's
a dark cloud above us
Don't
tell me 'cause I know
Chorus
Guitar
break (Robin Trower)
Though
I never came from Kansas
Don't
forget to thank the cook
Which
reminds of me of my duty
I was
lost but now I look
For the
turning Kansas sign post
And the
road that which you down
To that
pool inside a forest
In
whose water I will drown.
Chorus
More
hot Trower guitar on the fade out.
What is
a weird english wanna be poet doing writing these words in a
song
about traveling in sailing vessels in the 1800's etc.
Wreck
of the Hesperus another of the songs?
Weird
David, if you don't have this album get it, it is great. But this
song
always annoyed me. Like maybe it is
true or something. Though I
am sure
it is another archetype.
Peace,
--
Bentz
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From: Jerry Cimino
<Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: What should I read?
Tipper,
I'd
vote for Desolation Angels. IMO it is
Jack's best book, except for a few
others
that were his best as well!
DA will
blends well with the spirituality of Dharma Bums but also leads you
into
the excitement and action similar to On The Road. DA was the first
Kerouac
Book I ever read and it's what hooked me on JK.
Consider
too (my opinion mind you) Visions of Gerard (gentle/wonderful/holy)
Maggie
Cassidy (first love;women tend to like this book). Vanity of Duluoz is
very
readable for most beginners to JK.
Subterraneans and Dr. Sax are a
little
more sophisticated and Visions of Cody is also Jack's best book but
you
must be constantly stoned in order to be able to pay attention to it for
long
periods.
I tend
to read a few books by the same author in a row to maintain a flow
hence
the pass on WSB for now. Junky is much
more readable to someone new to
Burroughs
than Naked Lunch IMO.
Dig in
and enjoy!
Jerry
Cimino
Fog
City Facts & Fiction
1-800-KER-OUAC
www.kerouac.com
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From: Gerald Nicosia
<gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: re-Jan's funeral
At
03:41 PM 5/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Gerry
Nicosia wrote:
>
><I've
been cut out of Jan's burial, just as I have been cut out of a lot of
><things
in the last few years. . . . As for me,
I guess I'll sneak in
>someday
<when all the furor and hatred have passed, and pay my respects
>too.
><Say
a prayer for Jan for me that day, will you? Best, Gerry Nicosia
>
>It
is sad and now sarodically comic that Mr. Nicosia has been cut out of
>Jan's
funeral, but one imagines Hamlet and Laertes (Sampas as Polonius?)
>leaping
into Ophelia's grave and dueling there over her reputation and
>estate. Alas, poor Yorick! We've come to know him well.
// John M.
>
Where I come from, they used to
consider joking about the dead in
bad
taste.
-- GMN
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Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
James Stauffer wrote:
>
>
> Diane wrote
>
>
>
> my vote is in there for Allen
Ginsberg. He was by far
>
> > >the greatest poet of the twentieth century
>
>
>
> Another one who loves Allen, but greater than Pound, greater than
>
> Williams, etc-?-I'm not ready to go nearly that far, would love to
>
see
>
> a
>
> defense of that one. The greatest
poet of a century is a pretty
>
tall
>
> order, and I have only mentioned writers working in English.
>
>
>
> James>
>
> TS Eliot is the best this Century. I mean the Allman Brothers named
>
the album that they dedicated to Duane EAT A PEACH.
>
> And indeed there will be time
> To
wonder, 'Do I dare?' and, 'Do I dare?'
>
Time to turn back and descend the stair,
>
With a bald spot in the middle of my hair --
>
(They will say: 'How his hair is growing thin!')
> My
morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin,
> My
necktie rich and modest, but asserted with a simple pin --
>
(They will say: 'But how his arms and legs are thin!')
> Do
I dare
>
Disturb the universe?
> In
a minute there is time
>
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.
>
> For I have known them all already, known
them all --
>
Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons,
> I
have measured out my life with coffee spoons;
> I
know the voices dying with a dying fall
>
Beneath the music from a farther room,
> So how should I presume?
>
>
............
>
> I
am no prophet -- and here's no great matter;
> I
have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,
>
And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker,
>
And in short, I was afraid.
>
>
...........................
>
> I grow old...I grow old...
> I
shall wear the bottom of my trousers rolled.
>
> Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
>
>
.........................
>
> We
have lingered in the chambers of the sea
> By
sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
>
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
>
>
>From the Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock, 1917
>
T.S. Eliot
>
> My
they will say
>
> --
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Subject: Do what is right
This
ain't no poem
This
ain't no ode
It
ain't the greatest
Story
to be told
But if
the funeral is dere
Invite
her friends
Even if
dey is
sickening
you
do the
right thing
bring
love to the world
its
only a body
its not
the girl
do the
right thing
bring
love to the world
open
yer heart
else
nothing gets in
in the
end, in the light
whether
we like it
or not,
our dharma is waiting
did you
do right
or did
ya just hang on
to yr
worldly passions
heaven
or hell
yr
actions tell
it
ain't no prize
to be
one
its
just when its over
was the
right thing done
Do it
Do it do do do do do do it!
Yeah!!!!!!!
Peace
and love,
--
Bentz
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: A quickie question
At
07:09 PM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
alright, I'm new here and basically new to Beat so this may be a stupid
>>
question, but I was reading the portable Beat reader and an excerpt from
>>
junk had a character named Jack that killed somebody with a pipe and a
>>
faucet. Is that Mr. Kerouac?
>
>
> I think that he beat some poor guy to
deat with a musical instrument or
>something...
I can't remember which book I saw that in.
Maybe The town and
>the
city or a biography or something. But
it was more of a hint and then
>nothing
else...
No.
This
story would be referring to him and a bunch of football players drunk
and
hitting some guy with his violin.
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Subject: Could be worse
A beat
is ill. Bob Dylan is reported to have
suffered a heart attack.
The
Dylan list says it is an infection in the lining of the heart which
can be
fatal.
Your
prayers should be gifted to him, if you choose to send him Love.
We just
lost Allen, no need to lose another this soon.
And is
the Never Ending Tour ending?
That
there is and there ain't no more,
If you
want any more, you got to sing it yerself.
Peace,
and best to Bob,
--
Bentz
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From: Michael Czarnecki
<peent@SERVTECH.COM>
Subject: Re: let's put the fun back in
dysfunction!
>In
a message dated 97-05-28 10:43:28 EDT, you write:
>
><< driving up from Corning, NY - Finger Lakes,
NY through
>
Oneonta, Schenectedy/Albany etc. >>
>
>Michael,
>You
must be backtrailing the old Mohawk Trail.
>Pam
Plymell
>Cherry
Valley
Pam,
>From
home, Wheeler Hill (north of Corning, 32 mi., near 2,000' high) follow
the
Susquehanna watershed for 160 miles or so, downstream Conhocton River,
upstream
Susquehanna. Mostly Seneca territory in the hills of southern New
York
State (political boundaries so often completely disregarding natural
boundaries).Then
into Mohawk trail country for a bit. Cherry Valley part of
Mohawk
drainage, isn't it?
Ah, the
heart always races a bit faster when heading north. In any event,
the
creativity, poetry, sharing of selves through the written/spoken word
always
exciting in new territory.
I'll be
in Gloversville, NY 10th and 11th of June, reading with Rhonda
Morton
at coffeeshop and also young writers workshop/reading. How far's
that
from CV?
Michael
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From: "Dawn B. Sova"
<DawnDR@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: T-shirts
In a
message dated 97-05-28 20:32:18 EDT, you write:
<<
>>
Dear
Jeff:
Jeremy
said it for many of us - keep the t-shirts coming! And, although I
have
failed to say it before --- thank you for going through the work
regarding
the shirts.
Dawn
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From: Paul Maher
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Subject: Some of the Dharma
Hi all....Some
of the Dharama...according to an advance uncorrected proof I
saw
will be approx. 350 -400 pages in small print, hardcover, and ina
typeset
facsimile of Jack Kerouac's exact notebook and journal jottings. It
has an
unpublished photo of him on the cover. It will reveal Kerouac to be
what
Allen Ginsber said, "a brilliant, intuitive Buddhist scholar." It
will
be out
in early September.
Did you know Jack has a novel-length
manuscript written in French called
"The
Night Is My Woman"? It will be published one day when it is fully
translated.
He also considered Vladimir Nabokov the
"world's greatest, living
writer"
according to his inscribed copy of Lolita.
There will be an "official"
biography of Jack Kerouac.
All the notebooks of Jack Kerouac will be
published together.
Regards
to all, Paul of The Kerouac
Quarterly
Vol. I, No. 2
coming soon.....
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
Diane
Carter wrote:
>
>
RACE --- wrote:
>
>
>
> my votes, as if anyone cares, are as follows
>
>
>
> tie for first - burroughs and neal.
>
>
>
> tie for third - ginsberg and kerouac
>
>
>
> fifth - corso
>
>
>
> tie for sixth - everyone else.
>
>
>
> it seems to me from the little i've gathered so far that burroughs was
>
> the intellectual and anthropological force and neal was the motion and
>
> go go go behind everything else.
>
>
>
> just my wooden nickel
>
>
>
> david rhaesa
>
>
Given your list, I'm curious to find out, in terms of writing produced,
>
how you think the works of the others would have turned out, if they had
>
never met Neal.
>
> DC
impossible
to guess. they probably would have been
Wall Street Lawyers
without
Neal and/or Burroughs.... :)
seems
like that long letter from Neal showed them how they wanted to
write.
kerouac's
famous novel would be "On the Campus" a tale about Columbia
and
Morningside Park .... :)
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Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
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from
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Diane,
I couldn't agree more with your eloquent post.
I think you
should
send a copy to Hilton Kramer.
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Subject: Re: Guidelines for Discourse-Sad day for
beat-l
David O
says the manuscript of William Burroughs Jr is pretty choppy and
fragmented
but contains poems and drawings too. David Ohle (author of MOTORMAN)
will
edit as best he can and take it from there. Will keep you posted. John
Giorno
is coming into town tonight in the meanwhile.
Dave B.
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: What should I read?
READ :
THE
PLACE OF DEAD ROADS
THE
WESTERN LANDS (especially this one)
by
William S Burroughs. they are, in my
opinion, his best. they're like
candy
for your brain...i read them over and over and over and never wanted
them to
end. If youve already read them, ignore
this, but if you haven't,
i'm
very jealous of you cause you got the best read of your life ahead of
you.
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From: "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: Could be worse
At
12:00 AM 5/29/97 -0400, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
>A
beat is ill. Bob Dylan is reported to
have suffered a
>heart
attack. The Dylan list says it is an infection in the
>lining
of the heart which can be fatal.
Not a
heart attack from my sources.
Histioplasmosis is the
diagnosis
(an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).
A
fungal infection of the sac surrounding the heart. I've
heard
that there is a pretty good chance of
turn around,
although it may take months. I believe
this
can be
treated with antibiotics (intravenous), and if
worse
comes to worse, surgery. Who knows the
real story
besides
the man himself, we know how secretive he can
be!! I say, Bob rest up and get better, scrap the
August
N.
American tour and take advantage of your down time
to get
better.
Mike
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Could be worse
M.
Cakebread wrote:
>
> At
12:00 AM 5/29/97 -0400, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
>
>A beat is ill. Bob Dylan is
reported to have suffered a
>
>heart attack. The Dylan list says it is an infection in the
>
>lining of the heart which can be
fatal.
>
>
Not a heart attack from my sources.
Histioplasmosis is the
>
diagnosis (an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).
> A
fungal infection of the sac surrounding the heart. I've
>
heard that there is a pretty good chance of
>
turn around, although it may take months.
I believe this
>
can be treated with antibiotics (intravenous), and if
>
worse comes to worse, surgery. Who
knows the real story
>
besides the man himself, we know how secretive he can
>
be!! I say, Bob rest up and get better,
scrap the August
> N.
American tour and take advantage of your down time
> to
get better.
>
>
Mike
i just
heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee
where
Bob played not too long ago. I'm
serious - that's what i heard.
i think
the friend said it is in today's USA TODAY.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: good byes
In-Reply-To: <338CFF51.A9D8A480@scsn.net>
what a
long strange trip its been:
timlearyjerrygarciaallenginsberg.
bob, if
at all possible, could you stick around for a while more with us?
mc
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
In a
message dated 97-05-29 11:00:35 EDT, you write:
<<
kerouac's famous novel would be "On the
Campus" a tale about Columbia
and Morningside Park .... :)
>>
while
we're on that track...Burroughs' would be "Sunday Brunch", set in the
College
Inn, a diner on Broadway with really greasy food and lots of roaches,
of
course.
Ginsberg's...."Scowl",
about haughty ivy league kids trying to out-cool each
other,
walking around campus looking down their noses at each other in
disdain.
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Subject: Re: The Devil Came From Kansas
R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
>
The Devil Came From Kansas
>
The Devil came from Kansas
>
The Devil came from Kansas
>
Though I never came from Kansas
>
For the turning Kansas sign post
>
Weird David, this song always annoyed
me. Like maybe it is true or
something.
Though I am sure it is another archetype.
and
what makes you think that archetypes aren't true?
wonder
what vision of Kansas they have here in writing this.
Maybe
it's the old John Brown legend. A few
thought of him as Devil.
Others
thought other-wise.
always
likes "some say i got devil, some say i got angel" by melanie
myself.
if the
guitar solo includes a patch of "Home on the Range" and
sunflowers
spontaneously grow in your garden while listening to it, then
the
song is definitely TRUE.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
>
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Subject: No Subject hah
took
off my opened the door coat bathroom ran the to before i could close it
I----was
panting ripped it bag fast open as i cooked could spoon black
there's
death in safety, safety in death, said she with a look of horrified
comprehension
as it hit home and she gave one last flicker like a tv set that
just
turned off.
The
smell of charcoal and warm molasses.
the bitter taste of blood mixed
with
rubbing alcohol, licked off my arm.
Regrets of a typewriter and
Brooklyn
days. Chaos is not to be fucked with,
I'm afraid. for what dreams
may
come? I dreamed something was chasing me, no--I was chasing it. No.
Something
was chasing me. No.
You can
never go back. They say it and it's true. The hard way. Can you live
with
that? Did you know no one can see the same as you? Was that part of the
bargain?
I don't think so. I've been had.
Eternal longing for the present
to
remain so. Nostalgia for what is, or never was. Do you wanna slap me? No,
go
ahead, I want you to.
In
other words, everything is familiar to me....everything is similar. Not
similar
to, just similar. All i can say is
thank god everything in this
world
is connected in this way, or i'd have nothing to live for. A
"connections
explorer", discovering neural pathways no man woman or dog has
ever
before sent synapses across.
micro/macro-scopic vision simultaneously.
Now i'm fighting for the most insane thing i
could think of, which is to
think.
Please,
god, don't leave me now.
>I
think wsb explored further and deeper the limits of what can be done with
>words....he
manipulated them and juxtaposed them to create new associative
>pathways,
not just poetry but Original Thought.
Although I like the poetry
>of
the other beats, it's their prose i find less-than-satisfying. Somehow
it
>doesn't
make my synapses snap, crackle and pop like Burroughs' does.
>
Although I enjoy the "moods" of Kerouac and Ginsberg, (sad,
nostalgic,
>despairing,
ironic, gleeful, etc.) I prefer the biting sarcasm and
>intersecting
plateaus of humor, disgust, bitterness, futility and hope in
>Burroughs'
work. Not to mention the intellectual
stimulation i get from
>reading
him, which ultimately, inevitably, climaxes into a physical
expulsion
>of
words/paintings/music by me......
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Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
Maya
Gorton wrote:
>
> In
a message dated 97-05-29 11:00:35 EDT, you write:
>
>
<<
> kerouac's famous novel would be "On the
Campus" a tale about Columbia
> and Morningside Park .... :)
> >>
>
while we're on that track...Burroughs' would be "Sunday Brunch", set
in the
>
College Inn, a diner on Broadway with really greasy food and lots of roaches,
> of
course.
Is this
the Diner a few blocks southwest of Columbia?
The Suzanne Vega
song
about Tom's Diner describes the one i'm thinking about perfectly as
well.
>
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Subject: For Bill Gargan
Bill,
Could
you contact me off list by e-mail. I
don't have your email address
and
there's no point in carrying this out on list.
many
thanks,
Bruce
Hartman
bwhartmanjr@iname.com
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Subject: Re: No Subject hah
Maya
Gorton wrote:
>
wonderful
passage provided. i took the liberty of
some linear
restructuring
in the first paragraph for those who need it - but of
course
- the situation being described is far beyond linear and the
confusion
so profound that the mixing of the words actually makes the
most
sense. also a few random cheers from
the choir thrown in
parenthetically.
opened
the door/took off my coat/ran to the bathroom before i could
close
it (the door not the coat)
>
I----was panting/ I----ripped bag open fast/
as it
cooked i could spoon black/
"there's
death in safety, safety in death," said she with a look of
horrified
comprehension as it (not the comprehension) hit home and she
gave
one last flicker like a tv set that just turned off.
>
>
The smell of charcoal and warm molasses.
the bitter taste of blood mixed with
rubbing alcohol, licked off my arm. Regrets of a typewriter and Brooklyn days.
Chaos is not to be fucked with, I'm
afraid. for what dreams may come? I
dreamed something was chasing me, no--I was
chasing it. No. Something was
chasing me. No.
(incredible
- he could have just set something like "she was confused")
>
You can never go back. They say it and it's true. The hard way. Can you live
with that? Did you know no one can see the
same as you? Was that part of the
bargain? I don't think so. I've been had.
(who
hasn't felt this thought?)
Eternal
longing for the present to remain so. Nostalgia for what is, or
never
was.
(another
universal feeling)
Do you
wanna slap me? No, go ahead, I want you to.
(damn
funny)
>
> In
other words, everything is familiar to me....everything is similar. Not
similar to, just similar.
(he is
way ahead of the postmodernists right here)
All i
can say is thank god everything in this world is connected in this
way, or
i'd have nothing to live for. A
"connections explorer",
discovering
neural pathways no man woman or dog has ever before sent
synapses
across. micro/macro-scopic vision
simultaneously.
(this
provides a great clue in to "how" to read burroughs)
> Now i'm fighting for the most insane thing i
could think of, which is to
think.
Please, god, don't leave me now.
>
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Subject: Re: Could be worse
At
10:05 AM 5/29/97 -0500, david rhaesa wrote:
>i
just heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee
>where
Bob played not too long ago. I'm
serious - that's what i heard.
>i
think the friend said it is in today's USA TODAY.
I
believe you can also carry the infection for years before it
sufaces
and becomes serious. Not to say this is
the case,
maybe
he did get it while in the Indiana, Tennessee area?
Mike
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From: Jeffrey Weinberg
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Subject: Re: T-shirts
In a
message dated 97-05-29 09:48:34 EDT, you write:
<<
Dear Jeff:
Jeremy said it for many of us - keep the
t-shirts coming! And, although I
have failed to say it before --- thank you
for going through the work
regarding the shirts.
Dawn
>>
Dawn: Thanks
for your vote of confidence...
Here's
the latest news for all you Beat-L supporters and well-mannered polite
members
of Klub Kerouac:
The S.
Clay Wilson artwork for the shirt is completed and the shirts are
being
silkscreened now out in Oakland, California (giving the shirts a "Bay
Area/San
Francisco" birthplace)...
S. Clay
Wilson, well-reknowned for his work with R. Crumb and other
underground
cartoonists on ZAP comix, is a very detailed, meticulous
arteeeste
but I must say that working with him on this project has been a
real
pleasure....If you get a chance, check out his other stuff that's
available...
The
Beat-L T-shirt shows a bearded and beret-headed old poet selling poems
for
spare change...a college coed/librarian type drops a coin in the tin cup
as the
Beat poet's heart flutters at her bountiful sight...The coed imagines
a
falling leaf as "sheer poetry" - a nice take-off on R. Crumb's famous
image
of a
Ginsberg-type guy standing in a tenement NYC neighborhood watching a
leaf
fall through the air, thinking, "This to me is sheer poetry." (the
Crumb
image
was used on the cover of
Art
Spiegelman/Bill Griffith's ARCADE a looong time ago and the image was
recently
re-issued
on a Crumb signed/numbered silkscreen print) - WHOA - back to the
subject,Jeffrey
- you're floating away (again!) -
Anyway,
that's the Beat-L T-shirt image.....The "Beat-L" name is highlighted
across
the background and below the spare change endowed Beat poet, there's
the
address for the Beat-L so passers-by who see your shirt will run home and
join
the list!
There's
even a nice note of recognition to Brooklyn College (a tip of the
beret
to William Gargan for putting up with all our BS recently!) -
The
T-shirt is available in sizes Large - Extra Large - and Extra Extra
Large.
The
shirt is the best quality available 100% cotton Fruit of the Loom
preshrunk.
Black
ink on gorgeous light blue (as of press time today)...
I
promised to make the shirt available to Beat-L members at my cost and so I
shall...
Since I
had made only a few hundred rather than thousands of shirts...the
price
to have them made was higher than I originally thought. I paid S. Clay
Wilson
$1000.00
to do
the project and there were miscellaneous set-up charges at the T-shirt
printers.
But with the help of Bruce Hilvitz at Oink! Design in San Francisco
(co-owner
of SF's "Scairy Hairy Toy Company" (check out their web page for
great
handmade toys and other cooool stuff: www.scairyhairy.com), everything
has
been fun- in fact to answer Zippy the Pinhead: "Yes, we are having fun
(yet)".
With
shipping to all the dark corners of the globe in a sturdy
label-addressed
postage
affixed mailing bag - the grand total for this fabulous Beat-L
T-shirt
is
only
$18.00 (no tax/no handling/no hidden charges) -
As
usual, Water Row Books stands behind this T-shirt with the Water Row
"satisfaction
guranteed" guarantee. Master Card/Visa/Check/Money Order
accepted.
Don't
forget t ell me what size you desire (L-XL-XXL)...
The
shirts will be ready to ship in about 2-3 weeks...
Foreign
folks: if you want your shirts shipped air mail, please add $5.00.
I'll
pay the way for surface mail if you don't mind waiting a month to
receive
your order...
I have
posted the artwork for the shirt on the web for you all to check
out...
Please
remember that no computer screen scanned image can do justice to
Wilson's
glorious use of tone, depth,and shading...His stuff is chock full of
detail
and very intense!!! The web page will give you some ides of the
image...This
shirt is awesome!!!
I am in
the process of building a Water Row web
site but in the meanwhile,
here's
the temporary addresses to check out the shirt and some other Beat
stuff:
The
Beat-L T-Shirt Site: http://shell6.ba.best.com/~waterrow/beatl.html/
Other
Water Row Beat T-shirts:
http://shell6.ba.best.com/~waterrow/shirtpage/html/
Water
Row Press Beat Books In Print:
http://shell6.ba.best.com/~waterrow/inprint.html/
I hope
all these addresses work...If not, blame it on Bruce Hilvitz (Web
Mashugana)..
Oh -
one more thing: Sources tell me that Charlie Plymell, resident Beat-L
poet
and auteur extrodinaire, was the model for the Beat poet on Beat-L
shirt!
Later,
Daddy (and Mommy) -'Os
Jeffrey
H. Weinberg
Water
Row Books
PO Box
438
Sudbury
MA 01776
Tel
508-485-8515
Fax
508-229-0885
EMail
Waterrow@aol.com
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From: Jeff Taylor
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Subject: Re: Could be worse
In-Reply-To: <338D9B29.4E27@midusa.net>
On Thu,
29 May 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>
> Not a heart attack from my sources.
Histioplasmosis is the
>
> diagnosis (an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).
>
> i
just heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee
>
where Bob played not too long ago. I'm
serious - that's what i heard.
ACK! I
hope not.....!
Jeff
Taylor
nashville,
tennessee
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From: Nils-Xivind Haagensen
<Nils-Oivind.Haagensen@LILI.UIB.NO>
Subject: my definition...
I'm not
beat
I just
can't sleep
nh
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
<bocelts@SCSN.NET>
Organization:
Law Office of R. Bentz kirby
Subject: Re: The Devil Came From Kansas
RACE
--- wrote:
> R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
>
>
> The Devil Came From Kansas
>
> The Devil came from Kansas
>
> The Devil came from Kansas
>
> Though I never came from Kansas
>
> For the turning Kansas sign post
>
>
> Weird David, this song always
annoyed me. Like maybe it is true or
>
> something.
Though I am sure it is another archetype.
>
>
and what makes you think that archetypes aren't true?
>
wonder what vision of Kansas they have here in writing this.
>
Maybe it's the old John Brown legend. A
few thought of him as Devil.
>
Others thought other-wise.
> always
likes "some say i got devil, some say i got angel" by melanie
>
myself.
> if
the guitar solo includes a patch of "Home on the Range" and
>
sunflowers spontaneously grow in your garden while listening to it,
>
then
>
the song is definitely TRUE.
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
>
>
Race:
By
true, I meant, maybe the Devil really did come from Kansas.
Otherwise
it is an archetype vision that is true in another way as we
only
see the shadows on the wall of the cave, not the true light.
Peace,
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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From: Thomas Harberd
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Subject: Re: What should I read?
On Thu,
29 May 1997 10:51:10 -0400 Maya Gorton wrote:
>
READ :
>
THE PLACE OF DEAD ROADS
>
THE WESTERN LANDS (especially this one)
I think
TWL is the book where all Burrough's previous ideas
and
iconography come together. Having
worked my way through
the
whole canon, it was an amazing feeling to see it all
come
together, not only as repetition, but as expanded
discourse.
Try
Ghost of Chance as well, because it's brilliant.
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"When
the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
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From: Dixon Edmiston <DIXCIN@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: annoying
Yo,
Bentz:
I concur wholeheartedly with your choice
of Mr. Eliot, as much as I love
Allen,
and Gary, and Lew, and Philip, and WCW, and cummings,etc.
Scuttling
along in Altoona,
Dixon
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From: Rodgers <Rodgers@TRACOR-A4.CCMAIL.VITRO.COM>
Subject: News Update
(A SATIRE)
Anchor:
We will now go to Ron Rodgers who is standing by inside the
House of Beat-l.
RR:
I am standing in the middle of the kitchen area that can be
described as hot..DAMN HOT. In fact it feels hotter than the hinges
on the gates to hell. It is a very chaotic scene as beat-l members
who cannot take this intense heat line up
to jump out of the window;
plunging into the wading pool seven
stories below. We have identified
one of the jumpers as Levon Cash, a
renown news "beat" reporter. So
far a dozen or so have left the kitchen,
and I will try to identify
them and others as this story
progresses. I have just been informed
that two..no three... more have left.
Anchor:
What about the orgin of the kitchen fire, and are there any
suspects?
RR:
Apparently the flames started in April and have continued to
blaze.
Officials say this is what is classified as a "carbon" fire.
This phenomenon occurs under idel
conditions when bond paper touches
exposed carbon paper. City service squads are on the look out four
suspects. They are John Grand, Harold Nickels, Bill Shaloo, and Ron
Friendly. Federal authorities may be brought in to round up others.
Anchor:
Ron, what are authorities doing to calm the flames?
RR: Firefighter Bill (Gartland) has
bravely but vainly attempted to
provide a voice of reason to extinguish
these flames. There is also a
volunteer core of members assisting
Firefighter Bill. The
Extinguishing Crew is attired in asbestos
lined T-shirts designed by
T. Mudd Winslow. Across the front of the shirt is the slogan
REMEMBER RON BONEWHEEL. These shirts were
shipped free to the crew
courtesy of Gary Lineberger from Air-Row
Press.
Anchor:
We are going to break in now, as this story has reached
overseas. Here is our italian correspondent Sergio Pistone.
SP:
quid
skhgvu
not
loenvhfy can satisfy clomdy'
urges d k
b
k tldi
heotur
rlskvnhgu
tlnmbndieurbfg
Anchor:
Thank you Sergio. Ron, do you
fear for your safety?
RR:
No, and I'll be honest with you, it's like the facination one has
with a train wreck or America's Most
Tragic Events Captured on Video.
And frankly this is what I get paid to
do.
Anchor:
Any plans of leaving?
RR:
No way. I'm here until the end.
By the way, the flames do seem
to be a bit more under control at this
time, but no one is willing to
speculate how long this will last.
Reporting from the middle of the Beat-l
kitchen, Ron Rodgers.
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From: MARK NIGON
<Mark_Nigon@MAIL.CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM>
Subject: News Update -Reply
HHHAAAAAAA!!
SFX: LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE COUPLED WITH COUGHING.
VOICE
OFF CAMERA: "I gotta quit
smoking..."
This
made my dreary day quite a bit brighter.
Thanks,
-Mark
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From: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
Subject: Re: News Update
Rodgers
wrote:
>
patricia howled, this is the first posting i printed & planned to frame
patricia
>
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:14:53 -0400
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
In a
message dated 97-05-29 12:43:05 EDT, you write:
<<
Maya Gorton wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-05-29 11:00:35
EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>
kerouac's famous novel would be "On the Campus" a tale about
Columbia
>
and Morningside Park .... :)
>
>>
> while we're on that track...Burroughs'
would be "Sunday Brunch", set in
the
> College Inn, a diner on Broadway with
really greasy food and lots of
roaches,
> of course.
Is this the Diner a few blocks southwest of
Columbia? The Suzanne Vega
song about Tom's Diner describes the one i'm
thinking about perfectly as
well.
>
david rhaesa
salina, Kansas >>
Yeah,
it's a much greasier and more interesting diner than Tom's. I was once
studying
for exams there and the old bearded man sitting in the booth next to
mine
was talking to a stuffed animal which he had seated on the bench across
from
him. he proceeded to tell me the story
of the stuffed animal's life,
from
it's purchase to it's fate as a gift to his mother's gynecologist. Don't
ask me.
But I was glad for the distraction from my studies, as always. Then
the guy
whips out this jewelry case and starts to examine something inside it
with
one of those werid magnifying glasses diamond-cutters wear. I was
curious,
so i discreetly slipped behind him as if i was going towards the
bathroom
so i could get a better view of whatever was inside the case.
.......And
guess what it was?????
Can
anyone guess? I'll give you a prize for the correct answer, or the best
and
most creative answer. the prize is: my
respect. So I'll be hearing from
you.
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From: "Michael L. Buchenroth"
<mike@BUCHENROTH.COM>
Organization:
Buchenroth Publishing co
Subject: Web Pages
Comments:
To: waterrow@aol.com
Jeff:
I went
to your BeatL and shirtpage sites. I couldn't get the images to
load
until I deleted the / at the end of the URL (.html/ changed to
.html)
and reloaded the URL. Then the images loaded nicely.
Charles
looks like a lion, or otherwise an extremely hep cat! Charles
defines
"hepness," (to put it in less than E-prime, Charles is hepness),
so it
fits. Superb concept from start to near finish! I will buy two of
'em.
Fantastic job! It just can't get much better than this...
Thanks!
Michael
L. Buchenroth
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:20:21 -0500
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From: MARK NIGON
<Mark_Nigon@MAIL.CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM>
Subject: News Update -Reply
Hey
Beat-L,
Rodgers
- I have to say that after all the fighting, arguing, pleading,
apologizing,
words and wishes, I found your News Report quite
refreshing! Broke me out of my workaday trance and made
me hesitate
while
trigger finger rested on delete key.
Will there be another???
-Mark
MARK_NIGON@MAIL.CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM
>>>
Rodgers <Rodgers@TRACOR-A4.CCMAIL.VITRO.COM> 05/29/97 11:40am
>>>
(A SATIRE)
Anchor:
We will now go to Ron Rodgers who is standing by inside
the
House of Beat-l.
RR:
I am standing in the middle of the kitchen area that can be
described as hot..DAMN HOT. In fact it feels hotter than the
hinges
on the gates to hell. It is a very chaotic scene as beat-l members
who cannot take this intense heat line up
to jump out of the
window;
plunging into the wading pool seven
stories below. We have
identified
one of the jumpers as Levon Cash, a
renown news "beat" reporter. So
far a dozen or so have left the kitchen,
and I will try to identify
them and others as this story
progresses. I have just been
informed
that two..no three... more have left.
Anchor:
What about the orgin of the kitchen fire, and are there
any
suspects?
RR:
Apparently the flames started in April and have continued to
blaze.
Officials say this is what is classified as a "carbon"
fire.
This phenomenon occurs under idel
conditions when bond paper
touches
exposed carbon paper. City service squads are on the look out four
suspects. They are John Grand, Harold Nickels, Bill Shaloo, and
Ron
Friendly. Federal authorities may be brought in to round up
others.
Anchor:
Ron, what are authorities doing to calm the flames?
RR: Firefighter Bill (Gartland) has
bravely but vainly attempted to
provide a voice of reason to extinguish
these flames. There is
also a
volunteer core of members assisting
Firefighter Bill. The
Extinguishing Crew is attired in asbestos
lined T-shirts designed
by
T. Mudd Winslow. Across the front of the shirt is the slogan
REMEMBER RON BONEWHEEL. These shirts were
shipped free to the crew
courtesy of Gary Lineberger from Air-Row
Press.
Anchor:
We are going to break in now, as this story has reached
overseas. Here is our italian correspondent Sergio Pistone.
SP:
quid
skhgvu
not
loenvhfy can satisfy clomdy'
urges d k
b
k tldi
heotur
rlskvnhgu
tlnmbndieurbfg
Anchor:
Thank you Sergio. Ron, do you
fear for your safety?
RR:
No, and I'll be honest with you, it's like the facination one
has
with a train wreck or America's Most
Tragic Events Captured on
Video.
And frankly this is what I get paid to
do.
Anchor:
Any plans of leaving?
RR:
No way. I'm here until the end.
By the way, the flames do
seem
to be a bit more under control at this time,
but no one is willing
to
speculate how long this will last.
Reporting from the middle of the Beat-l
kitchen, Ron Rodgers.
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From: jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>
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I agree
Jerry. The list is strong and continues to provide information.
Exchanges
got a little heated, and although my position on the archives of
the
likes of JK, AG and others is well known,
I don't take anything
personally.
Age helps.
I'm
troubled by people seeming to blame Nicosia for the conflicts, but a
careful
reading of the posts shows that he has provided much information.
Yes, he
does get stressed and makes demands, but if his responses can be
understood,
considering the accusatioons and his position as a Kerouac
scholar
and friend to Jan. I'm familiar with
the time and money nicosia
has
provided Jan, not from Nicosia, but from Jan Keroauc personally.
Nicosia
was her most trusted friend. I'd planned on giving her a couple of
months
of my time as a secretary--just taking dictation. Her inability to
see
well enough to write--to work at a keyboard--caused her much distress.
I've
not been with the list long enough to speak about the past. I see
these
flare-ups as raising individual temperatures, but the material that
keeps
the Beat juices flowing is the steady
flow of questions, answers,
comments,
humor, history and the incredible insights provided by members.
j grant
BE ON THE WATCH
for
items stolen from the Keroauc Collection
O'Leary Library, U Mass, Lowell
http://www.bookzen.com/kerouac.theft.html
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& Small Press Authors & publishers
display books free at
<http://www.bookzen.com>
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Re: Web Pages
Michael
L. Buchenroth wrote:
>
>
Jeff:
> I
went to your BeatL and shirtpage sites. I couldn't get the images to
>
load until I deleted the / at the end of the URL (.html/ changed to
>
.html) and reloaded the URL. Then the images loaded nicely.
>
>
Charles looks like a lion, or otherwise an extremely hep cat! Charles
>
defines "hepness," (to put it in less than E-prime, Charles is
hepness),
> so
it fits. Superb concept from start to near finish! I will buy two of
>
'em. Fantastic job! It just can't get much better than this...
>
>
Thanks!
>
Michael L. Buchenroth
What a
great day it is, thanks the suggestion
worked for me and me i
saw.
loved it but i am such a fanafan of s clay so thanksjeff, charly, s
clay
allen nice lady.
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From: "Paul McDonald, TeleReference
LA, Main Info Services"
<PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>
Subject: Re: Could be worse
Paul
Harvey, a notorious closet Dylan Fan, reported Dylan's illness on his
news
show today and mentioned that Dylan has been all over the world and he
could
have picked it up anywhere.
I spoke
to Ramblin' Jack Elliott last August and he said Dylan had not been
drinking
much anymore, and when I saw him in August of '94 he looked slimmed
down
and sober for a change. He gave a
couple of shows in Louisville
previously
to that one that left you with the impression he and bourbon (known
in
Kentucky as The Breakfast of Champions) had a very unhealthy relationship
with
each other. But in '94 and again in '96
he kicked royal ass. Press
reports
are that his shows have never been better.
I hope
he takes a break to relax and maybe get out of his son's (Jakob)
shadow.
In all
seriousness, I love you, Bob. I don't
want yer Bud Lite, just take
care of
yerself.
Paul
McDonald
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On Thu,
29 May 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>
> Not a heart attack from my sources.
Histioplasmosis is the
>
> diagnosis (an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).
>
> i
just heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee
>
where Bob played not too long ago. I'm
serious - that's what i heard.
ACK! I
hope not.....!
Jeff
Taylor
nashville,
tennessee
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From: Antoine Maloney
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Subject: Re: News Update
...boy
Ron...it's a mystery to me!
I'm
looking at the back section of my copy of Ann Charters' biography of Sal
Paradise
and I'll be damned if I can find these other names anywhere in her
identity
key.
Well,
I'll read it again....maybe it'll become obvious... I don't
know...these
Beat types - you'd think they would've learned something about
clarity
in writing from Joyce and the other GOOD writers they SUPPOSEDLY
were
studying in school.
Ha!
...studying - that's another joke!
Antoine
(schlepping
off down the hall muttering and harrumphing to himself and
anyone
who'll listen)
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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From: Jerry Cimino
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Subject: Re: News Update
Hope
Springs Eternal!
Don't
know if should be sad or glad
"Gary Sillido" wasn't listed as a
"suspect".
Very
clever, Ron Rodgers!
Jerry
Cimino
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From: Antoine Maloney
<stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>
Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
It was
a mummified fetus from an ectopic pregnancy that his mother
experienced.
Her gynecologist had correctly diagnosed and surgically removed
it. It
was sitting in the case next to his mother's gall stone....
Here's hoping - Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
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From: Tipper Quigg
<quigg@INFORAMP.NET>
Subject: Re: What should I read?
At
10:51 29/05/97 -0400, you wrote:
>READ
:
>THE
PLACE OF DEAD ROADS
>THE
WESTERN LANDS (especially this one)
>by
William S Burroughs. they are, in my
opinion, his best. they're like
>candy
for your brain...i read them over and over and over and never wanted
>them
to end. If youve already read them,
ignore this, but if you haven't,
>i'm
very jealous of you cause you got the best read of your life ahead of
>you.
>
>
> Well the question was which of the
books I listed should i read, but
I'll
check these out...Thanx...
Tipper
help
the economy...buy a Neil Young album...
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: drinks are on me
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<970529112211_-464271685@emout19.mail.aol.com>
oh what
the hell.
i got
up at 5am EST and downloaded mail..
and hit
all news-webs, etc even resorted to tv
and
then i thought i'd send good vibes bob's way
so i
got all ALL the dylan stuff
oh bout
5 am or so
and
with a few excusions out into the world to procure
more
micro brews
i've
been here
with
dylan
in the
air
on the
prayers
of a
(and you say impossible as he hands you a bone.. and something is
happening
here and you don't know what it is.
do you
mr
jones
mr
rogers
mr
prezidint
mr
whoose
and the
mrs
"ah
you've been with the professors and they all like yr looks....
you're
very well read its well known
but
something (oh etc
do you,
mr jones???
ok
enough ale soaked e'missives. talk to ya later.
mc
cant
stand it jerry garcia tim leary AG now bob
burp)
well, later guys. this day sucks.
mc
he's
been in my mind since the 4th grade, before jerry and the funny guys
and all
the rest..
remembering
going to local downtown appliance store that stocked 45s i
bought
them all as they came out, right across from the refridgerators,
separated
by the stoves,
the
universe cracked
and i
saw.
i think
i was 9 or so
(when
yr mother sends back all yr invitations
and yr
father to yr sister he explains
that
you're tired of yourself and all your creations
wont
you come see me queesn jane?
(btw no
esoteric messages being sent just quotes off what ever on highway
61 play
as i am tipsily typing
oh
mc
of
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From: talk dirty to me
<mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
do it
do it do it
it
takes a special person to read naked lunch
you
will be all the better for it
----------
: From:
R. Bentz Kirby <bocelts@SCSN.NET>
: To:
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:
Subject: Naked Lunch
: Date:
Thursday, May 29, 1997 12:50 AM
:
: Pam:
:
:
Starting Naked Lunch is one thing, finishing it another. Understanding
: it,
well, I don't know.
:
:
Peace,
:
: --
: Bentz
:
bocelts@scsn.net
:
:
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From: andrew szymczyk
<trent@JANE.PENN.COM>
argh,
i forgot to mention this
earlier, but i went to the
surge festival last weekend in
pittsburgh, pennsylvania,
and to my enjoyment one of the bands
played a song
about kerouac. their name eludes me, but...
the only thing that bothers me
was that i felt
like i was lost in a sea of people
that didn't know whom
kerouac was. still, my solitary delirium was wonderful.
i felt like i should claw my way to
the stage and shake
their hands, but i only stood with an
open mouth--
--drooling.
still
drooling,
andrew
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From: Jennifer Thompson
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Subject: Re: Beat History
In-Reply-To: <3385E8A6.CB77F85@scsn.net>
On Fri,
23 May 1997, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
Would Tom Wolfe of Electric Koolaid Acid Test and Hunter Thompson of
>
Fear and Loathing qualify as "beat."
****************************************
Whether
or not Hunter S. Thompson qualifies as beat is debatable. He was
a
friend of Ginsburg's. Presumably they
met while HST was researching for
"Hell's
Angels," as Ginsburgh frequented
the Angels gatherings as well.
He's
certainly Gonzo--- zany, free form, journalism---but beat?
Anyhow,
I just thought I'd pass on the aquaintance issue; other than that,
it's
worth consideration.
Jenn
>
And yet, I am wondering if there is not at least two threads of
>
literature throughout history. I don't
know enough and am not well read
>
enough to deal with this idea on my own.
But it seems to me that you
>
have two spirits, one which is the "voice" of society and the other
>
which is the "voice" of those who are beaten out of society. If so, it
>
would run throughout time. I would like
to know if any literary
>
teachers, commentators etc, have ever explored the idea. Back to Homer,
>
was he beat or was he society. What
about Thomas Aquianas? Maybe this
>
too large of an idea, but I would like to see the result of a study of
>
this idea. We have always been beat.
>
> --
>
>
Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
>
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From: James William Marshall
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Subject: My guess for Maya
Maya,
I enjoyed the anecdote. Have several similar ones from the
psychiatric
ward
but nevermind.
Okay, here's my guess about what the guy
was examining: a piece a shit?
No. A kidney stone. No. Uh, a big piece a
ham. No, too obvious. It had
to be
that notorious, potentially forged signature.
James M.
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: how annoying some of these whiny
people are!
Maya
Gorton wrote:
>
>
.......And guess what it was?????
>
Can anyone guess? I'll give you a prize for the correct answer, or the best
>
and most creative answer. the prize is:
my respect. So I'll be hearing from
>
you.
two box
elder bugs fucking.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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From: Olly Ruff
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Subject: n/a
...to
live outside the law you must be honest
i know you always say that you agree
alright so where are you tonight....
well,
today is a sad day, folks.
[dylan
to burroughs : "if you see her say hello... she might be in
tangiers"]
...say
for me that i'm alright, tho' things get kind of slow ; she might
think
that i've forgotten her... don't tell her it isn't so.
. the
ghost of electricity... whatever.
o.r.
("when asked to define yourself... say that you are an exact
mathematician.")
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From: Mark Hemenway
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Subject: Call for Papers
Subj: Call for Proposals
From:
"Skerl, Jennie" <jskerl@wcupa.edu>
Date:
Thu, 29 May 97 10:16:00 PDT
I will
be editing a special issue of COLLEGE LITERATURE on "Teaching the
Beat
Generation." The notice below will
appear in the next issue of PMLA.
I wonder if you have a mailing list from the
Kerouac Symposium I could
have
access
to for further distribution. Or, if you
have an email list, could
you
forward this notice by email? Thanks
for any help you can give me.
I
enjoyed attending the symposium last year.
Please keep me on your
mailing
list.
Best,
Jennie
Skerl
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COLLEGE
LITERATURE, a triannual journal of scholarly criticism that
supports
college/university
teaching, seeks essays for a special issue on "Teaching
the
Beat Generation." Contributions
are sought from a variety of critical
perspectives,
including poststructuralist, postmodernist, feminist,
multicultural,
historical, millennial, or personal.
Essays may be devoted
to
individual authors, groups of writers, or the movement. Review essays
of
current
criticism or biography will also be considered. Send 1-3 page
proposals
by January 1, 1998, to Dr. Jennie Skerl, Associate Dean, College
of Arts
and Sciences, West Chester University, West Chester, PA 19301.
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From: west <anwest@UP.NET>
>argh,
>
> i forgot to mention this
earlier, but i went to the
> surge festival last weekend in
pittsburgh, pennsylvania,
> and to my enjoyment one of the bands played
a song
> about kerouac. their name eludes me, but...
>
> the only thing that bothers me
was that i felt
> like i was lost in a sea of people
that didn't know whom
> kerouac was. still, my solitary delirium was wonderful.
> i felt like i should claw my way to
the stage and shake
> their hands, but i only stood with an
open mouth--
>
> --drooling.
>
>
> still
drooling,
> andrew
>
andrew,
what is 10,000 Maniacs? They do a song entitled Jack Kerouac.
west
I
belong to the blank generation
and I
can take or leave it each time
-Richard
Hell