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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:31:07 -0400

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From: Paul Maher <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject: On the Road 1st edition Facsimile

There is a number you can cal to order a 1sy edition hardcover facsimile of

On the Road which falls in line with a series of other hardcover such as

Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Faulkner,Kesey, etc. The number to obtain this is in

Groton, Connecticutt. It is 1-800-367-4534. Ask for the 1st Edition Library

and tell them you would like to buy On the Road. It may be around $35.00. It

isn't the real thing but is nice to have this novel in a hardcover format

nevertheless. regards, Paul of TKQ....

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From: annie shank <annie@RT66.COM>

Organization: you can't be serious

Subject: Just for starters: 2

The Poet

We sit here,

attentive witness to your spoken agony.

You watch

enclosed

sardonic

as we mouth our opinions

our criticism

our insight

on the composition and expression

of your

naked

soul.

Where do they come from

these keening rages

these icy howls

couched in sarcasm

drenched in everpresent bourbon

smeared with lipstick

and semen

and pain

always pain

but pain with wit

so no one knows how bad

it is.

Janus and Niobe

are your patron saints.

I would enfold your soul

in the warmth of mine

thorns and roses

tequila and sweets

I would enfold your soul

in the warmth of mine

but your razors cut

and your acid sears

I would enfold you sould

in the warmth of mine.

No warmth would be enough.

And I hope to stay a while!

annie UNM annie@rt66.com

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:10:27 -0400

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From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject: Songs

Songs

The hollowness of the echo,

Years resounding in the note.

A song,

Strange aloofness,

Some withdrawel,

Emotional disenfranchisement.

Allowing the song to drift from the feeling.

Allowing the song to become a sad memory.

Allowing the song to become estranged.

Some sad memory,

Which time has arranged.

The resul

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:15:43 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: All Things

May 30, 1997

John Hasbrouck writes:

"All things considered, I think the Beat-L list is far more

interesting now than it has been at any time during the last two years or so

...."

John,

You mean I didn't murder the Beat-List? I'm crushed.

Yours in failure,

Gerald Nicosia

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:22:49 -0400

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From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

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Subject: Re: All Things

Gerald Nicosia wrote:

> May 30, 1997

> John Hasbrouck writes:

> "All things considered, I think the Beat-L list is far more

> interesting now than it has been at any time during the last two years

> or so

> ...."

> John,

> You mean I didn't murder the Beat-List? I'm crushed.

> Yours in failure,

> Gerald Nicosia

Oh, beat list, the rumor of your death are greatly exaggerated.

Oh, beat list, can you be beat?

Oh, beat list, a email treat.

Oh, beat list, it is bigger than us all.

Oh, beat list, it is better than the mall.

Oh, beat list, it is unconscious yet alive.

Oh, beat list, it is there despite our selves.

Oh, beat list, it is beating in our hearts.

BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT BEAT

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:27:16 -0400

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Subject: [Fwd: Songs]

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R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

> Songs

> The hollowness of the echo,

> Years resounding in the note.

> A song,

> Strange aloofness,

> Some withdrawel,

> Emotional disenfranchisement.

> Allowing the song to drift from the feeling.

> Allowing the song to become a sad memory.

> Allowing the song to become estranged.

> Some sad memory,

> Which time has arranged.

> <snip what was to be The resulting etc.>

> --

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

Well, some how I accidently deleted the end of that poem. I kind of

like it better now.

Peace,

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:34:54 -0700

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Re: Julian Jaynes

Jeff Taylor wrote:

> Some of the people WSB mentions as having read were concerned with these

> questions too.....Alfred Korzybski, Julian Jaynes.....I haven't read

> Korzybski yet, but I did read Jaynes' book _The Origin of Consciousness

> in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind_, a fascinating book....his thesis

> is that before the last 2500 years or so, humans were not conscious at

> all, and that everyday activites proceeded unconsciously....whenever a

> decision had to be made, the right-brain would send a signal over to the

> left-brain, which was experienced as hearing a voice telling you what to

> do ("the voice of god"), much like present-day schizophrenics. He also

> suggests that looking at idols helped set off these voices (thus

> explaining the presence of idols at certain points in human history)--it

> is apparently the case that looking at human figures, esp. if they have

> large eyes, can set off auditory hallucinations.

It is nice to see someone else who has read the Jaynes book. That book,

whether he is completely right or not., forever changes the way I look

at man's early history--up to things like the Illiad and early Hebrew

scripture. A really fascinating book. The idea of the gods evolving

from the voices of the dead ancestors speaking to one. Lots of

implications for poetic theory. For those who like that sort of thing a

must read.

J Stauffer

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:38:35 -0700

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject: Re: Music...

Jeff Taylor wrote:

> sometimes seem like they ought to form one uninterrupted phrase, which it

> is not possible to talk through in one breath. This perhaps makes a sort

> of disruption between writing and speaking, but perhaps not between the

> writing and music--there is such a thing, when playing a horn, as

> circular breathing, i.e., breathing in thru the nose while blowing out

> thru the mouth, and by means of which you can hold a note indefinitely.

> But I never heard of circular talking.

> *******

> Jeff Taylor

> taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

> *******

Maybe if Roland Kirk were still around you could get him to try. The

things he could do with a horn were amazing.

J Stauffer

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:41:06 +0200

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From: Ufficio Stampa Teatro Smeraldo <smeraldo.press@IOL.IT>

Organization: Teatro Smeraldo

Subject: jack & jazz

Thanks everybody for answering to my question about "jack & jazz"!

Everybody have a great weekend, plenty of good poetry and music...

Bye, Laura :.)

Laura Moja

Ufficio Stampa

Teatro Smeraldo

smeraldo.press@iol.it

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:10:20 -0400

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From: Paul Maher <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject: On the Road 1st edition Facsimile

There is a number you can call to order a 1st edition hardcover facsimile of

On the Road which falls in line with a series of other hardcover such as

Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Faulkner,Kesey, etc. The number to obtain this is in

Groton, Connecticutt. It is 1-800-367-4534. Ask for the 1st Edition Library

and tell them you would like to buy On the Road. It may be around $35.00. It

isn't the real thing but is nice to have this novel in a hardcover format

nevertheless. regards, Paul of TKQ....

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:21:49 -0700

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From: James William Marshall <iamio@MAIL.NETSHOP.NET>

Subject: Dreams

David,

If I understood your post correctly, you have a hard time remembering

the dreams you dreamt before you started dreaming a day. After I read _Book

of Dreams_ I did a little writing experiment. There were countless times

that I had awoken (or truly began to dream, who knows and who ain't talkin)

and traces of dreams were left on what I think is my conscious state. I

knew there was poetry being lost. So I left a little notebook and a pen for

any unconscious songs that I might be able to capture. I didn't think I'd

be able to do it because I really enjoy sleeping and curse any interuption.

What I found was that I was able to train myself to start waking up

after I'd had a dream and to write it down in a stream of

half-consciousness. The secret is to write all the ones or even just images

you can remember; don't be your own critic while you're half-asleep. I'd

wake up in the morning and have two or three pieces that I never would have

had. I don't know why I stopped doing it. Oh yeah, it's those little white

pills that the bad men make me take every night. Now the notepad is for

those moments of clarity immediately preceding the sleep state. I'm going

to start trying to do it again. Capturing your dreams at the right moment

is a great way to figure out what's really going on with you. They'll have

more meaning for you than for anyone else. Many of my dreams actually

turned out to be cryptically prophetic. My sleep actually turned out to be

more rewarding. Think I might do some digging for that little pad.

James M.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:42:31 -0700

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From: James William Marshall <iamio@MAIL.NETSHOP.NET>

Subject: Words

I like words. Words are good. I can't think of many words I don't

like. I don't like the word 'panties'. Don't get me wrong, I love panties

I just don't like the word. Don't get me wrong, I don't love panties so

much that I wear them all day long, just in the evenings. I'm kidding.

I've never worn panties except for the few times that I have. My ex- had a

weird streak and when you're trippin you can get talked into doing things

you might not normally do. ALRIGHT ALRIGHT. I did it once when I wasn't

high. But she was there alright. Three words: She liked it. (Suddenly

I'm Denis Leary).

Back to words. Don't turn your back on words okay, they'll kill you.

I'm not going to be able to say what I want to say. Here goes there. I

have a problem with words which stems from their void of any inherent

meaning. In my writing, I play with that void and I like it. So maybe I

don't have that bigga problem with words. Still and still moving, there's

something about those little critters that gives me the creeps. I think

it's the fear that my intentions and intention not to have any intentions

can be misinterpreted. But being misinterpreted is great. Fuck. Forget

it. No. Don't forget fuck, forget what I was trying to write about while

using what I was trying to write about while being creeped out and hopeful

that each 0 and 1 will be misunderstood.

"We live to survive our paradoxes"-The Tragically Hip.

James M.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:49:02 +0200

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From: Nils-Xivind Haagensen <Nils-Oivind.Haagensen@LILI.UIB.NO>

Subject: the rant pamphlet

i stumbled across a pamphlet from the beat-seminar at nyu (in 94?)

today, which contains photographs of Kerouac/Gins/Burroughs & two long

prose-pieces...

One is Ron Whitehead's "San Francisco, May 1993":

Visited Lawrence Ferlinghetti

Flew to San Francisco

Super Shuttled to City Lights

keys at the front desk

with address and map

Wandered streets Kerouac Alley Kenneth Rexroth Place

lost for hours

small suitcase wighed down with

heavy words "The Mask is the Path of the Star"

Diane di Prima's chapbook

Published in Heaven Series White Fields place

limited edition of 50 copies to meet her

and have them signed

Where is Diane di Prima

on Laguna Haight-Ashbury San Francisco Art Institute

"the only war that matters is the war against the imagination"

and I'm searching dor Diane di Prima

Where is Lawrence Ferlinghetti

on Francisco Telegraph Hill Nort Beach City Lights

"poets come out of your closets

open your windows, open your doors,

You have been holed up too long

in your closed worlds..."

and I'm searching for Lwarence Ferlinghetti

Walked Golden gate Bridge

holding Anncye's hand into the wind

Alcatraz and sailboats one bent

licking the lips of the Bay waters

and the Pacific sprays us with tears

of Chinese immigrants who for forty days

and forty nights

have stood in water

outside America's door knocking

denied entry denied

Fisherman's wharf seals singing

some burnt out old hippie screeching "I am a Rock

I am an island" for spare change from laughing

lines of tourists from around the world waiting

for trolley tours

lunch at Fish Alley

hike up Telegraph Hill

what a view but

a statue of Colombus? is this

is this a Colombus I don't know about?

the other Colombus? The San Francisco

Telegraph Hill North Beach Colombus?

Father Christopher Colombus of Our Lady of the Flowers?

no, Lawrence Ferlinghetti says

this is THE Christopher COlombus.

"We tried to spray paint his

hands red but PoliceMen

surrounded him all night

Colombus Day Eve."

[...]

The other by Kent Fielding (?):

"Kerouac: 1922-1969-he who honoured life."

eyes open-back straight-thinking is the natural

state of mind

let all thoughts pass trough you-concentrate on your

outward breath

the breath that you give to the world

exhale tenderness, exhale tenderness, exhale tenderness

trees hold wind in their orange branches and grow into

dim shadows

[...]

guess i'll just toss it out & try to remember the pictures!

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:49:24 -0400

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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: CRANIAL GUITAR

To show just how "Power Mad", "Glory Seeking" and "Money Hungry" GERALD

NICOSIA really is and the depths this guy will sink to I'd like to descibe

for you what CRANIAL GUITAR by Coffee House Press looks like.

The cover is a beautiful yellow and blue, very stylish and clean with the

words "Selected Poems By Bob Kaufman" across the top and the title CRANIAL

GUITAR in the center. The spine says the same thing except it also says

"Coffee House Press". The back cover features a black & white photo of Bob

Kaufman with one paragraph from the introduction by David Henderson as well

as two paragraphs of text describing Kaufman and his work. AMAZINGLY the

words "Edited by Gerald Nicosia" appear NOWHERE on the front cover, back

cover or the spine!

As a matter of fact, the words "Gerald Nicosia" appear in only three areas of

the book (all in small print, I might add) on the inside flyleaf, under a

half page of text he wrote as an Editor's note and buried in the Library of

Congress Data. In fact, despite the fact we have been selling this book

since it first came out I was unaware Gerry Nicosia had edited it. How's

that for a Conspiracy of Silence!?!

I mean THE NERVE OF THIS GUY! Who does he think he is hiding his name in

there so we'll all have to go searching for it! It should be plastered all

over the cover like (GULP! Dare I say it?) Ann Charters name is all over

Jack Kerouac's Selected Letters! There, I said it! Whew! God, here come

the slings and arrows!

Seriously, though, as we learn more and more about people and issues, I think

we can take measure of the man here. Nicosia is a scholar, obviously not out

for self-agrandizement by the looks of Cranial Guitar. The focus of this book

is strictly Bob Kaufman. Gerry Nicosia is an incidental here who happened to

help make it happen.

SPECIAL TO BEAT-L MEMBERS ONLY!

Fog City Facts & Fiction is offering CRANIAL GUITAR

for the lowest price on the planet! Normally priced at

$12.95 we're offering it for a limited time only for the

unabashedly unashamed low price of only $8.95.

This includes shipping to anywhere in the US.

Overseas shipments add $2.00.

Please place your order by June 30, 1997.

Call 1-800-KER-OUAC

www.kerouac.com

PO Box 48

Monterey, CA 93940

Jerry Cimino

Fog City Facts & Fiction

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:50:55 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Cranial Guitar keeps Kaufman in tune....

May 30, 1997

Jeffrey Weinberg writes:

"... argumentative but very talented editor Mr.

Nicosia...."

Jeffrey,

There's a difference between "argumentative" and "committed" or

"willing to fight for what he believes in."

Rush Limbaugh is argumentative.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was committed.

There are people who don't like either of them, but let's not mix up

meanings.

Best, Gerry

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From: Jennifer Thompson <thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Some of the Dharma

In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970529033254.006be388@pop.pipeline.com>

Paul,

How can I subscribe to Kerouac Quarterly?

You can e-mail me personnally at thomjj01@holmes.ipfw.indiana.edu

Sorry for the long address.

Thanks,

Jenn Thompson

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:42:15 -0400

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From: Zach Hoon <junky@BURROUGHS.NET>

Subject: Re: Music...

In-Reply-To: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970530042849.540035616A-100000@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu>

>I bet we could come up with other good author/music pairings.

music and writing are my two great loves, so much so that i can no longer

just sit and read or sit and listen (altho at times both are nice...)

Read any one of WSB's cutup novels to some of the new breakbeat or

drum'n'bass coming out of england. Any of his narrative novels go good with

downtempo/leftfield/instrumental hiphop...

WSB has been a huge driving force in the coming of age of electronic music.

one of, if not the, first man to use a sample, electronic music simply

would not exist on the level it does today without those first forays done

by WSB, Sommerville, and Gysin...He has been cited as influence and thanked

in the liner notes of albums by groundbreakers such as Coldcut and Dj

Spooky, coming into role of grandfather to yet another cultural movement.

His voice can be heard sampled on countless records coming from all over

the world...UK, germany, japan, netherlands, usa...It's only appropriate to

read these works in the light of the music they've spawned. Not all the

time, mind you, but burroughs is future; this music is future...

hey i'm babbling a bit..

lurve,

-zach

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:41:43 -0400

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From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject: Re: Cranial Guitar keeps Kaufman in tune....

At 10:50 AM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:

> May 30, 1997

>Jeffrey Weinberg writes:

>"... argumentative but very talented editor Mr.

>Nicosia...."

>Jeffrey,

> There's a difference between "argumentative" and "committed" or

>"willing to fight for what he believes in."

> Rush Limbaugh is argumentative.

> Martin Luther King, Jr. was committed.

> There are people who don't like either of them, but let's not mix up

>meanings.

> Best, Gerry

>Don't disgrace the name of the great Dr. King by comparing yourself to him.

Nicosia-committed I agree. Phil

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:48:07 -0700

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From: "s.a. griffin" <perrotta@USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: signoff

At 02:39 AM 5/30/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On Thu, 29 May 1997, s.a. griffin wrote:

>> in your direction. the beats were, if nothing else to me, absolutely

>> oppopsed to academia and establishment bullshit. how many of our boys and

>> girls actually attended college and of those that did, how many finished?

>I'm not sure what you are talking about here.....

>They may have been opposed to academic "bullshit" (and God knows there is

>plenty of that), but I don't think that means they were necessarily opposed

>to academia as such. Burroughs, Ginsberg, & Snyder all finished college,

>the latter 2 eventually becoming university professors. Probably it is

>like Burroughs said in _Western Lands_ (p.125):

>"Knowledge takes many forms and contexts. Cloistered ivy-covered halls,

>serious youths in academic garb....the typical is so often *not* where

>it's at, deliberately avoided like a cliche, that it becomes in time

>atypical, and by the inexorable logic of fashion, is again where it's at."

>*******

>Jeff Taylor

>taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

>*******

point well made. but I think they are possibly the exceptions and not the

rule. i am not opposed to education, hell, I think that is the answer, I am

opposed only to the abuse of power bred by institutional thinking; the

academic "bullshit". that seems to be what turned most away then and now.

I find that in general (in general I say...) that few teach how to be

inspired by imagination, the discipline of well directed thought. they can

only bring to the table what was served to them decades prior. also

practical experience comes into play. then we come to another unfortunate

present reality, who teaches these days? TAs? I know that I am taking

broad strokes here, but there is truth in it.

I was listening to Henry Miller last night on the radio while driving,

talking about the radical demise of individuals in his time. seems to apply

even moreso today. universities by and large seem to be leading the parade,

or at least falling in line, as the cost of education skyrockets.

I like your burroughs reference re fashion, it is right on. thanks.

all the best

xxxooo

s.a.

_______________________________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:24:29 +0200

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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: poem

i'm

buried

butterflies

eat

my feet

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:34:43 -0400

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From: Bruce Hartman <bwhartmanjr@INAME.COM>

Subject: A bit of good fortune

Beat Friends,

Wow, I've got to share this with you guys! A few months(?) ago someone

posted a URL for a new Kerouac release (Could have been "Kicks, Joy,

Darkness", I can't remember), but on the site was a contest to put

Kerouac's novels in chronological order. I entered it on lark (while I

enjoy his poetry immensely, OTR is the only novel I've read to date--rest

assured that the others are on my short "to read" list). Well, I come home

from work, check the mail, and sitting among the junk mail was a large

envelope from Ryko. I was right! I chose "Book of Blues" as my prize and

it's sitting by my side waiting for me to finish this message so I can

devour it with my dinner and a cold beer. . .

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

This week is finally looking up! (good thing it's ending),

Bruce

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bwhartmanjr@iname.com

http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation

12th Chorus (from Orlanda Blues)

The evening silencius

Poetry

is so pretty

When you silence it like that

It's nice to pop pearl pages

the candlelight, you know,

is dedicated to poets

Okay--dreaming fields--Blake

wants to hear the latest development

in the man the way the bleat

lambs bleakly blake it now

and that is soft,

Ah William,

I guess as soft as Spanish

dreams, what was it Trappist

said:--"Goats

soft

sleep"

Something like that

Farewell

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:07:44 -0600

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From: John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject: Re: poem

In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970530232429.006975e4@pop.gpnet.it>

oh Lana Turner [aka Rinaldo] we love you get up

--Frank O'Hara

>i'm

>buried

>butterflies

>eat

>my feet

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:16:17 -0400

Reply-To: "Diane M. Homza" <ek242@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>

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From: "Diane M. Homza" <ek242@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

Subject: Kerouac in the Top 40

Reply to message from e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU of Thu, 29 May

>> andrew, what is 10,000 Maniacs? They do a song entitled Jack Kerouac.

> 10,000 Maniacs broke up several years ago. It's more likely to be

>Morphine, the three-man, sax-bass-drums combo, from the Joy, Kicks

>CD.

There's the 10,000 Maniacs song, the Morphine song...anyone know of any

other songs referring to the Beats?

Diane.

"This is Beat. Live your lives out? Naw, _love_ your lives out!"

--Jack Kerouac

Diane Marie Homza

ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:28:58 +0000

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From: JWHasbrouck <jhasbro@TEZCAT.COM>

Subject: Re: All Things

Comments: cc: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@scsn.net>

R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

> JWHasbrouck wrote:

> > All things considered, I think the Beat-l list is far more interesting

> >

> > now than it has been at any time during the last two years or so

> > during

> > which I've been a subscriber.

> >

> > John Hasbrouck, LurkMaster

> As a result of this post, I vote that we elevate John to Lurkmeister,

> an honor that has been bestowed upon few, if any. The only person I

> know who has come close is the Copy meister guy, Rich. Let us examine

> the parrallism of this idea:

> Making copies = Reading email

> etc.

> If anyone can expand upon this, I will be very happy to read it.

> Congratulations John, Lurkmaster, or Lurkmeister. And John, if elected,

> will you serve?

HASBROUCK RESPONDS:

If elected, I will not only serve, but I will give the following

acceptance speech:

It is with a deep and profound sense of humility and awareness of my own

mortality that I accept the honorific title of Beat-L LurkMeister.

Having dutifully read nearly all of the postings relating to the Big

Estate Debate, I have posted nothing myself in nearly six weeks, and I

feel that I am only beginning to grasp how I might live up to the

position into which I have now been thrust - representative of those who

say little, yet ponder much. In closing, I wish to thank my mother and

father, without whom I would never have been possible. Thank you. (Steps

back, waving.)

BTW, are there any other candidates?

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:33:06 -0600

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From: John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject: Re: CRANIAL GUITAR

In-Reply-To: <970530134924_-329938574@emout13.mail.aol.com>

Will rush out immediamento to get a copy. But am I the only one who

suspects that Gerry Nicosia doesn't really exist--that he's actually Doc

Benway on beanies or whatever those pills are called? Also, I have to

unsubscribe for a couple of weeks due to an Interstate trip to the

UnderZone; will everyone promise not to say anything purple or red to

Benway (or anything virtual to Nicosia) til I'm back? // John M.

>To show just how "Power Mad", "Glory Seeking" and "Money Hungry" GERALD

>NICOSIA really is and the depths this guy will sink to I'd like to descibe

>for you what CRANIAL GUITAR by Coffee House Press looks like.

>The cover is a beautiful yellow and blue, very stylish and clean with the

>words "Selected Poems By Bob Kaufman" across the top and the title CRANIAL

>GUITAR in the center. The spine says the same thing except it also says

>"Coffee House Press". The back cover features a black & white photo of Bob

>Kaufman with one paragraph from the introduction by David Henderson as well

>as two paragraphs of text describing Kaufman and his work. AMAZINGLY the

>words "Edited by Gerald Nicosia" appear NOWHERE on the front cover, back

>cover or the spine!

>As a matter of fact, the words "Gerald Nicosia" appear in only three areas of

>the book (all in small print, I might add) on the inside flyleaf, under a

>half page of text he wrote as an Editor's note and buried in the Library of

>Congress Data. In fact, despite the fact we have been selling this book

>since it first came out I was unaware Gerry Nicosia had edited it. How's

>that for a Conspiracy of Silence!?!

>I mean THE NERVE OF THIS GUY! Who does he think he is hiding his name in

>there so we'll all have to go searching for it! It should be plastered all

>over the cover like (GULP! Dare I say it?) Ann Charters name is all over

>Jack Kerouac's Selected Letters! There, I said it! Whew! God, here come

>the slings and arrows!

>Seriously, though, as we learn more and more about people and issues, I think

>we can take measure of the man here. Nicosia is a scholar, obviously not out

>for self-agrandizement by the looks of Cranial Guitar. The focus of this book

>is strictly Bob Kaufman. Gerry Nicosia is an incidental here who happened to

>help make it happen.

>SPECIAL TO BEAT-L MEMBERS ONLY!

>Fog City Facts & Fiction is offering CRANIAL GUITAR

>for the lowest price on the planet! Normally priced at

>$12.95 we're offering it for a limited time only for the

>unabashedly unashamed low price of only $8.95.

>This includes shipping to anywhere in the US.

>Overseas shipments add $2.00.

>Please place your order by June 30, 1997.

>Call 1-800-KER-OUAC

>www.kerouac.com

>PO Box 48

>Monterey, CA 93940

>Jerry Cimino

>Fog City Facts & Fiction

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:46:29 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Music...(industrial)

not to mention Industrial Music, which owes almost everything it's got to

Burroughs....in terms of atmosphere, cut-up techniques, loops, etc. And

space. There's a really awesome website devoted to this theme, contact me

for the address, i don't have it right now.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:02:49 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Burroughs; was Re: my condolences to whoever just "signed

off"...

In a message dated 97-05-30 15:41:45 EDT, you write:

i have NO CLUE whether that made ANY sense. one of those seizures where

the fingers just went nuts and don't know what they typed. i'll just

clean the bottom of this page out and send it without reading it and

someone else can dream up a dream for me that makes sense of the

finger-vomit.

david rhaesa >>

makes sense to me! That;s a really interesting idea.....I often try to

imagine what other people are thinking/dreaming about. i try to be conscious

of my own thought patterns and project them onto others', watching their eye

movements, what are they looking at, oh, they must be thinking

this.....sometimes i'm right and i feel telepathic, sometimes i'm desperately

wrong and i feel stupid. But it actually doesn't matter what they're really

thinking cause the stories i make up for them are more interesting

anyway........................!

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:09:37 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Desire

In a message dated 97-05-30 12:41:14 EDT, you write:

<< n

Possibilites forgotten

Are suggested

And are within our grasp

I feel the lunar ebb.

i feel a constant disillusioning, my thoughts move in fast forward and slow

motion simultaneously....like slo mo videos where the shadows of movement

leave traces behind them. Constant realization....becoming unbecome.

Becoming other---what was i in the first place? I can only come to the

conclusion that 'I' never existed.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:15:10 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Current subscribers

wow kids!!!!

I just want to take a moment to appreciate this list and all it's done for me

in just 2 days.

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

there. i feel better now. Love to all, spread it around like jam.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:18:45 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Queen Vashti (Esther I)

In a message dated 97-05-30 17:01:23 EDT, you write:

She waltzes into the room

Decoding my genetic code

Telling strange and tragic tales

Of Vashti and her heroines.

he prances into my room

unscrambling the ancient theremin

Telling tall and magic tales

of scratchies and heroin.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:21:19 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: this beat list

scream of ripping flesh pierces brain reduces heart to mass of tangles

despair

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:21:15 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: Dreams

James William Marshall wrote:

> David,

> If I understood your post correctly, you have a hard time remembering

> the dreams you dreamt before you started dreaming a day. After I read _Book

> of Dreams_ I did a little writing experiment. There were countless times

> that I had awoken (or truly began to dream, who knows and who ain't talkin)

> and traces of dreams were left on what I think is my conscious state. I

> knew there was poetry being lost. So I left a little notebook and a pen for

> any unconscious songs that I might be able to capture. I didn't think I'd

> be able to do it because I really enjoy sleeping and curse any interuption.

> What I found was that I was able to train myself to start waking up

> after I'd had a dream and to write it down in a stream of

> half-consciousness. The secret is to write all the ones or even just images

> you can remember; don't be your own critic while you're half-asleep. I'd

> wake up in the morning and have two or three pieces that I never would have

> had. I don't know why I stopped doing it. Oh yeah, it's those little white

> pills that the bad men make me take every night. Now the notepad is for

> those moments of clarity immediately preceding the sleep state. I'm going

> to start trying to do it again. Capturing your dreams at the right moment

> is a great way to figure out what's really going on with you. They'll have

> more meaning for you than for anyone else. Many of my dreams actually

> turned out to be cryptically prophetic. My sleep actually turned out to be

> more rewarding. Think I might do some digging for that little pad.

> James M.

that's part of it. i'll try the notebook again. also see about a few

less white pills.

but it's more that that too.

almost a trapped outside myself feeling. like the white pills have shut

down a central core of being.

"you can be in my dream

if i can be in yours"

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas