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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:28:43 -0400
Reply-To: "R. Bentz Kirby"
<bocelts@SCSN.NET>
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>
Organization:
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Subject: Re: Neophyte
Comments:
To: Jay S Gertz <jgertz@BULLDOG.UNCA.EDU>
Jay S
Gertz wrote:
>
What about Holy Soul Jellyroll, poems and songs 1949-1993? Rhino
>
WordBeat.
> 4
cd's. (Ginsberg). Also Jack Kerouac, 3 cd's also on Rhino WordBeat.
>
Kleb
What about Ken Nordine (sp?)?
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:26:56 -0400
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From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Spring '53
Comments:
To: JWHasbrouck <jhasbro@tezcat.com>
In-Reply-To: <3396808F.3C04@tezcat.com>
On Thu,
5 Jun 1997, JWHasbrouck wrote:
> It
appears that Bill and Allen took considerable liberty when editing TYL
> to
achieve a specific effect, which they certainly did. Comparison of the
>
two groups of letters has me considering the conscious myth-making
>
tendency of the Beats (with which I have no problem, and, in fact, dig a
>
lot) contrasted to THE FACTS.
Yeah
the world didn't discover the Beats by accident. Loved reading the
findings
from your experiment, and want to hear more.
m
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:00:05 -0700
Reply-To: Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>
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From: Diane Carter
<dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>
Subject: Re: travels
Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
>
One of the interesting things about beat literature is that so many of
>
the players are still playing and their influence net is so productive.
> I
was sad when the coming and goings of people related to the beat
>
literature net work was called not apporpriate to the list. I love
>
hearing that ken k was traveling and putting himself out there.
> I
like recycling, i read the books i have gotten something out of more
>
than once. I love putting things in a
variety of contexts, the next
>
cycle is so often deeper or richer.
When i met edie k, i gained at
>
least a broader picture of jk as a man, from her stories and from her
>
persona.
> I
also met her not just as jk's exwife but someone who obviously was a
>
peice of the fabric. I am interested
in the odd little details, like
>
what did they eat,
>
how did people meet. I remember hearing
a story about jk and wsb being
> in
chicago at the d convention and they eating lunch together. I
>
caredwondered what they ate and what they drank.
> i
appreciatted meeting Charles and Billy plymell, I got a little
>
overwhelmed and was abrupt with my exit, my friends teased me that not
>
everyone was comfortable with my 10 second exits. but i have been
>
reading plymell this week, he left this great site bookmarked on my
>
puter , my daughter has been showing her friends the compelling single
>
word stories. Her fascination with language grows. we are very lucky
>
that those that play have graced this list, it is a list of writers and
>
readers. I am not scholarly but appreciate the scholars. most of this is
>
selfish, I love the power of the word, the rythms the visions. back to
>
lurking.
> p
Excellently
expressed. I think that the comings and
goings of people are
important
too, the details of people's lives are woven in the fabric of
their
words, so to speak, creating the bigger picture.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:23:02 -0500
Reply-To: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: travels
Diane
Carter wrote:
>
>
Patricia Elliott wrote:
>
>
>
> One of the interesting things about beat literature is that so many of
>
> the players are still playing and their influence net is so productive.
>
> I was sad when the coming and goings of people related to the beat
>
> literature net work was called not apporpriate to the list. I love
>
> hearing that ken k was traveling and putting himself out there.
>
> I like recycling, i read the books i have gotten something out of more
>
> than once. I love putting things
in a variety of contexts, the next
>
> cycle is so often deeper or richer.
When i met edie k, i gained at
>
> least a broader picture of jk as a man, from her stories and from her
>
> persona.
>
> I also met her not just as jk's exwife but someone who obviously was a
>
> peice of the fabric. I am
interested in the odd little details, like
>
> what did they eat,
>
> how did people meet. I remember
hearing a story about jk and wsb being
>
> in chicago at the d convention and they eating lunch together. I
>
> caredwondered what they ate and what they drank.
>
> i appreciatted meeting Charles and Billy plymell, I got a little
>
> overwhelmed and was abrupt with my exit, my friends teased me that not
>
> everyone was comfortable with my 10 second exits. but i have been
>
> reading plymell this week, he left this great site bookmarked on my
>
> puter , my daughter has been showing her friends the compelling single
>
> word stories. Her fascination with language grows. we are very lucky
>
> that those that play have graced this list, it is a list of writers and
>
> readers. I am not scholarly but appreciate the scholars. most of this is
>
> selfish, I love the power of the word, the rythms the visions. back to
>
> lurking.
>
> p
>
>
Excellently expressed. I think that the
comings and goings of people are
>
important too, the details of people's lives are woven in the fabric of
>
their words, so to speak, creating the bigger picture.
and the
details of import are different to different folks that follow
or are
part of the story. for example, my
mother's details would be
"what
we ate" if she gave a detailed description of the meals along as
we
traveled somewhere. i would be nearly
oblivious to the "what we ate"
except
to say "food" but would be interested in what i heard and
overheard
and saw around the places we ate. the
details are different.
depending
on our varied interests. one's not
better than the other -
the
amount of difficulty in carefully articulating the details from one
perspective
or another is very hard work. the
choice of the details
probably
has a lot to say about the persona of the author.
i'm a
sound and vision person. taste and
smell are not really in my
vocabulary. i'm rambling. i had a point.
oh
well, the devil is in the details.
i was
wondering, since the big estate game is over does that mean i'm
retired
as devil???
david rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:34:32 -0400
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From: Dixon Edmiston <DIXCIN@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: OFCS
On 6/4
Olly Ruff wrote:
Oh for Christ's sake
Ditto,
Dixon
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:38:56 -0600
Reply-To: Denis Alcock
<dalcock@FALSTAFF.UNM.EDU>
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From: Denis Alcock
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Subject: Six Gallery
In-Reply-To: <3396D9D6.7AB6@midusa.net>
Hi
everyone!
I will
be vacationing in San Francisco this weekend, and I would like to
check
out some cool Beat haunts. I've already
visited City Lights and
Vesuvio.
I was
wondering about the location of the Six Gallery reading. Has anyone
visited
the spot? Comments and suggestions
welcome.
Also,
can anyone suggest a good USED bookstore in SF, particularly Beat
literature.
Thanks,
Denis
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:44:27 -0400
Reply-To: Tony Trigilio
<atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>
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From: Tony Trigilio
<atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Neophyte (Bid him whip)
In-Reply-To: <3396CD1B.BE9A50A@scsn.net> from
"R. Bentz Kirby" at Jun 5,
97 10:28:43 am
>
>
Jay S Gertz wrote:
>
>
> What about Holy Soul Jellyroll, poems and songs 1949-1993? Rhino
>
> WordBeat.
>
> 4 cd's. (Ginsberg). Also Jack Kerouac, 3 cd's also on Rhino WordBeat.
>
> Kleb
>
> What about Ken Nordine (sp?)?
>
> --
>
>
Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
>
Thanks
for reminding me that it's been too long since I've pulled Ken
Nordine
from the CD rack. Try his CD, *Upper
Limbo*, especially the
cuts
"Point of Time," "Kingdom of Noxt," and his reading of
"The Emporer
of Ice
Cream."
"Who
do you mean? Who can I call? The roller of big cigars, of course.
He's
the big guy. The muscular one. The one in the kitchen, who's
itching
to do what he wants to do with his big, unlit cigar . . ."
Tony
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:02:38 -0700
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From: Eric Lytle
<e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU>
Organization:
Sarcos Inc.
Subject: Re: Neophyte
R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
> What about Ken Nordine (sp?)?
>
I was wondering when someone would
bring up Ken Nordine. WHAT A GREAT
VOICE. If you haven't heard him, you must.
I have several of his
recordings, Best of Word Jazz, Colors, and Devout
Catalyst. All of
these
are recommended, but I would start with
Word Jazz.
Does anyone know if his show is still
on NPR? I live in Utah, so
diversity
ain't a high priority on the airwaves.
I've only heard his
NPR
Word Jazz show once, sometime around 1990.
The word jazz concept
had
developed into a wonderfully spatial experience, with whispers and
fragments
of prose bouncing around within the limits of my stereo
system.
I also understand he did a few shows
with the Dead. Was anyone on the
list at
those shows. I can just imagine how Ken
sounded, booming
through
their sound system, with Mickey in the
back providing the deep
carpet
of sound. I think it was New Year's in
Oakland, early 90's.
-E
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:12:05 -0700
Reply-To: Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>
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From: Diane Carter
<dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>
Subject: Re: travels
RACE
--- wrote:
>
>
and the details of import are different to different folks that follow
> or
are part of the story. for example, my
mother's details would be
>
"what we ate" if she gave a detailed description of the meals along
as
> we
traveled somewhere. i would be nearly
oblivious to the "what we ate"
>
except to say "food" but would be interested in what i heard and
>
overheard and saw around the places we ate.
the details are different.
>
depending on our varied interests.
one's not better than the other -
>
the amount of difficulty in carefully articulating the details from one
>
perspective or another is very hard work.
the choice of the details
>
probably has a lot to say about the persona of the author.
>
>
i'm a sound and vision person. taste
and smell are not really in my
>
vocabulary. i'm rambling. i had a point.
>You're
right, the details are very different depending on who the writer
is, and
Beat writers could characterize something like eating lunch in
totally
different ways. Speaking of sound, I
have been reading an older
book(1974),
Allen Ginsberg Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics,
Consciousness,
edited by Gordon Hall. It's written
from tapes (I think)
of
lectures that Allen did on college campuses across the country.
There's
some very interesting parts on sound in writing, especially about
Kerouac,
and comparisons about him and Thomas Wolfe and how he took that
and
went beyond it.
AG:
"Most prose writers aren't even aware that the sentence they write
has a
sound, are not even concerned with sound in prose. In fact I'm not
sure
what some of them are concerned with.
Most prose writers that I
grew up
with in college were influenced a lot by Hemingway, so one of
their
main concerns was economy in economy in writing down little
insights
and perceptions as to how white the dawn was or how cold the icy
water
was, with the maybe haiku-like image out of it...Kerouac was the
first
writer I ever met who heard his own writing, who listened to his
own
sentences as if they were musical, rhymical constructions, and who
could
follow the sequence of sentences that make up the paragraph as if
he were
listening to a little jazz riff...Kerouac got to be a great poet
on that
basis..."
DC
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:28:42 -0400
Reply-To: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
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From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
Subject: Re: travels
Comments:
To: Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>
In-Reply-To: <33971D95.30A1@together.net>
On Thu,
5 Jun 1997, Diane Carter wrote:
>
Speaking of sound, I have been reading an older book(1974), Allen Ginsberg
>
Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics, Consciousness, edited by Gordon
>
Hall. It's written from tapes (I think)
of lectures that Allen did on
>
college campuses across the country.
A
comment on this book. Out of all his written works, this had one of the
most profound
effects on me & my life. I thought of this book sometime after
he died
and how there'd be no more lectures like this. I'm sure that most of
his
lectures and talks were recorded (anyone know?) and I would hope that
they're
being transcribed (anyone know?) and also digitized (anyone know?)
and
that another book -- or books, I could read them all -- of them will
someday
come out (anyone?).
m
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:49:57 -0700
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From: James Stauffer
<stauffer@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Spring '53
JWHasbrouck
wrote:
>
>
Regarding the spring of 1953....
>
>
Comparing THE YAGE LETTERS by Burroughs with Ginsberg I notice that the
>
dating of the correspondence doesn't jive with THE SELECTED LETTERS OF
>
WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS. Nor does the narrative flow. It appears that Bill
>
and Allen took considerable liberty when editing TYL to achieve a
>
specific effect, which they certainly did. Comparison of the two groups
> of
letters has me considering the conscious myth-making tendency of the
>
Beats (with which I have no problem, and, in fact, dig a lot) contrasted
> to
THE FACTS.
>
>
John Hasbrouck
>
Chicago
John,
There
is definitly a good theme for some scholar here. A study of the
way
Allen especially worked hard at creating the image of a literary
school
modelled on what he could see in earlier examples, lost
Generation
and Parisian artist groups in particular.
Ginsberg always
had an
exceptional marketing talent and what you are putting your finger
on here
is a perfect example.
J
Stauffer
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From: Michael Ambrose
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Subject: <no subject>
please
take me off the list
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:14:14 -0500
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: travels
Diane
Carter wrote:
>
>
RACE --- wrote:
>
>
>
> and the details of import are different to different folks that follow
>
> or are part of the story. for
example, my mother's details would be
>
> "what we ate" if she gave a detailed description of the meals
along as
>
> we traveled somewhere. i would be
nearly oblivious to the "what we ate"
>
> except to say "food" but would be interested in what i heard and
>
> overheard and saw around the places we ate. the details are different.
>
> depending on our varied interests.
one's not better than the other -
>
> the amount of difficulty in carefully articulating the details from one
>
> perspective or another is very hard work.
the choice of the details
>
> probably has a lot to say about the persona of the author.
>
>
>
> i'm a sound and vision person.
taste and smell are not really in my
>
> vocabulary. i'm rambling. i had a point.
>
>You're right, the details are very different depending on who the writer
>
is, and Beat writers could characterize something like eating lunch in
>
totally different ways. Speaking of
sound, I have been reading an older
>
book(1974), Allen Ginsberg Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics,
>
Consciousness, edited by Gordon Hall.
It's written from tapes (I think)
> of
lectures that Allen did on college campuses across the country.
>
There's some very interesting parts on sound in writing, especially about
>
Kerouac, and comparisons about him and Thomas Wolfe and how he took that
>
and went beyond it.
>
>
AG: "Most prose writers aren't even aware that the sentence they write
>
has a sound, are not even concerned with sound in prose. In fact I'm not
>
sure what some of them are concerned with.
Most prose writers that I
>
grew up with in college were influenced a lot by Hemingway, so one of
>
their main concerns was economy in economy in writing down little
>
insights and perceptions as to how white the dawn was or how cold the icy
>
water was, with the maybe haiku-like image out of it...Kerouac was the
>
first writer I ever met who heard his own writing, who listened to his
>
own sentences as if they were musical, rhymical constructions, and who
>
could follow the sequence of sentences that make up the paragraph as if
> he
were listening to a little jazz riff...Kerouac got to be a great poet
> on
that basis..."
> DC
it
sounds like he sub-vocalized while typing/writing things. they teach
you not
to do that when you're reading and sometimes i think that's
nuts. you don't get to hear the words that
way. i guess it slows you
down
though.
i think
sub-vocalized spontaneous typing is a good way to make the
writing
sound like it's being talked. the
readers who follow the rules
and
don't let themselves listen to the words while they read will miss
it. but someone who subvocalizes reading Keroauc
gets to Hear him talk
like
he's in the room.
i used
to do a trick when i was not a good reader back in college. i'd
type a
page or two of the author so that i figured out how the writing
came
out - until i could hear the squirrels running around creating the
words -
and then i'd go back and read and i could read faster with
better
comprehension.
so i
forgot what i was writing about. a
really nice young woman came by
to help
me get my printer running and she just left and my mind is more
on
wishing she was still here than on what i was typing so i couldn't
keep it
together.
oh
another thing. i'm going to be in the
Kansas City area this weekend
probably
Saturday and Sunday and if anybody knows any used bookstores
around
there that are worth finding (it is finding cuz i don't know the
town
that well) please backchannel me about it.
bye
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:28:33 EDT
Reply-To: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
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From: Bill Gargan
<WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject: Kerouac's sound
Of
course, I can't prove anything but I doubt Kerouac sub-vocalized when
he
wrote. It would have slowed him down to
much. He typed much of his
writing
a break-neck speed. Nevertheless, sound
IS an important part of
his
prose style and I'm sure he was keenly aware of sound as he wrote.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:54:02 -0700
Reply-To: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
<gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
<gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kerouac's sound
At
03:28 PM 6/5/97 EDT, you wrote:
>Of
course, I can't prove anything but I doubt Kerouac sub-vocalized when
>he
wrote. It would have slowed him down to
much. He typed much of his
>writing
a break-neck speed. Nevertheless, sound
IS an important part of
>his
prose style and I'm sure he was keenly aware of sound as he wrote.
>
>
Yes. I would think he vocalized things in his
head. He vocalized and
musicalized
(if there is such a word) his prose I would think.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:39:21 -0500
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From: Jennifer Thompson
<thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: TEST
TEST
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:56:36 -0500
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From: Jennifer Thompson
<thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: JK: Spring '53
First, I'd like to thank John
Hasbrouck for his wonderfully
thought-provoking
entry. I'm a fairly new list member and
the idea of
your
reading project intrigues me. Is there
a future book in the works,
perhaps
a critical analysis based on your reading.
Your entrys suggest
the
possibility for SEVERAL books.
Secondly, your admission to
disillusionment really hit home with
me. I am NOW a naive undergrad whose life has
been heavily influenced by
reading
OTR in May of last year. (I've read all
the beat lit. I could get
my
hands on since, and plan to start on scholarly works next.)
Finally, I'd like to put in my two cents
regarding JK's use of the
term
"Spontaneous" Prose. I think
that he was referring not so much of
spur of
the moment composition, as to inovation wrought from past writing
"practice,"
if you will. I took a Romantic
Literature course this past
semester
and ran across a Wordsworth piece that I thought applies to
Kerouac's
literature technique. In
"Introduction to the Lyrical Ballads,"
Wordsworth
asserts that poetry composition should be "spontaneous" (yes,
he uses
that specific term). However, he
qualifies it by declaring that
the
spontaneity stems from previous thought on a general subject, which
may
then be applied to a specific topic.
You are much more qualified to judge
on this matter than I. In
your
opinion is JK's use of the term like Wordsworth's use?
Many
thanks for your contribution,
Jenn
Thompson
ft.wayne,
indiana
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:01:02 -0400
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Kerouac's sound
Comments:
To: gallaher@hsc.usc.edu
In a
message dated 97-06-05 17:15:06 EDT, gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU (Timothy K.
Gallaher)
writes:
<<
Yes. I would think he vocalized things
in his head. He vocalized and
musicalized (if there is such a word) his
prose I would think.
>>
I think
that Kerouac thought about the things for years before he wrote them
down in
the final form, and he also had letters and journal entries which
also
served as first drafts for many of the ideas that would end up in his
books.
So I think he was vocalizing the stories for years in his head before
he
would put it down in a torrent of continuous writing that he called
'spontaneous'.
writing
without revision, Attila
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From: James Stauffer
<stauffer@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: travels
RACE
--- wrote:
>
> it
sounds like he sub-vocalized while typing/writing things. they teach
>
you not to do that when you're reading and sometimes i think that's
>
nuts. you don't get to hear the words
that way. i guess it slows you
>
down though.
>
> i
think sub-vocalized spontaneous typing is a good way to make the
>
writing sound like it's being talked.
the readers who follow the rules
>
and don't let themselves listen to the words while they read will miss
>
it. but someone who subvocalizes
reading Keroauc gets to Hear him talk
>
like he's in the room.
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
It is a
pity anyone tries to teach you not to subvocalize. May be fine
for
just digesting facts. But with
literature you've got to hear the
line. You're absolutely correct that you have to
hear Kerouac while
reading.
James
Stauffer
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:07:20 -0400
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: CORNIX instead of COMIX
In a
message dated 97-06-05 09:41:01 EDT, you write:
<<
it seems that 'tweaking' can take place by
altering the font size of the
text to create rhythm. i noticed certain words POP OUT or not more
or
less so depending on their font-size. Now currently, those would be
somewhat at random because the sizes are
somewhat associated with how
one would expect them to be written to be
read on the printed page. >>
David:
Thanks
for the insights. The next thing is to write with the word font in
mind. I
sensed that some poems "work" (to use that old Jackson Pollock
invention)
and some probably don't in the word flash. I wuz just thinking
last
night of all the beats I knew, though their styles varied, they were
always
almost obsessed with the word, even in light conversation. Any
intonation,
conotation, etomology,etc. This, while their writing styles
varied
wildely.
Charles
Plymell.
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In a
message dated 97-06-05 09:54:40 EDT, you write:
<<
I want to spend more time with the Kansas City poem. You didn't answer
about whether it is available in print. Like to read it and then go
back again.
>>
James:
I found
two copies of my Scarecrow edition of Forever Wider. One is slightly
tattered
it was my reading copy. Since I have no readings lined up, I'll send
you
that copy. I have pulled some of poems from that edition into my new
manuscript
Robbing the Pillars for which I'm looking for a publisher who can
keep it
in print. I think you should compare it from the page rather than
online. Buchenroth has put most of the poems online,
but I'd like to send
you the
book anyway. I'll try to remind myself to put the book in the mail
tomorrow.
Charley
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In a
message dated 97-06-05 21:24:05 EDT, you write:
<<
the chance to hear about what they ate >>
Antione/Paricia;
It was
quite alright to converse over the poem flash. That's one aspect I
like
about the application, one can tune in or out. I have been to so many
serious
poetry readings where every head bowed in unison when poet spoke.
Usually,
for me, dreadfully boring. About the music and eats with the beats.
Almost
35 yeras ago, I put on Shubert's sonnatas (i'll have to look it
up-still
in old lp jackect with Branaman's paint stains) Alllen stooped the
conversation
to document the piece. He was into classical and Bessie Smith
type
music. I never recall music at Burrough's dinners. But I do have a good
story about
dinner one time in Kansas when Billy was about Lena's age. James
had
fixed steaks. A real fine dinner. This was when Bill drank a lot of
Vodka,
so I supposed eating was an annoyance that others urged on him just as
the
afternoon cocktails kicked in. He picked around slightly at a marvelously
prepared
dinner, just like an impudent kid. After the rest of us had eaten
and
Bill had faked a few bites, James brought in a big bowl of gum drops.
Bill
swooped up a handful and squashed his mouth full. This was a delight for
any kid
to see and things like this keep the kid in Bill going. It was
completely
out of character for an otherwise mannerly dinner at an esteemed
host's
house! The other thing he has in common
with kids is that he can't
sit
still, and he has to have stimulating conversation, which I can't always
provide.
I hope these little anecdotes have not been on the list before and
is list
stuff.
Charles
Plymell
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:20:19 -0700
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From: Diane Carter
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Subject: Re: travels
Michael
Stutz wrote:
> .
>
> A
comment on this book. Out of all his written works, this had one of the
>
most profound effects on me & my life. I thought of this book sometime
after
> he
died and how there'd be no more lectures like this. I'm sure that most of
>
his lectures and talks were recorded (anyone know?) and I would hope that
>
they're being transcribed (anyone know?) and also digitized (anyone know?)
>
and that another book -- or books, I could read them all -- of them will
>
someday come out (anyone?).
>
> m
I
understand what you mean about Allen Verbatim.
Although I have had the
book
for many years, I am only now truely reading it for the first time.
The
lectures on words and consciousness and on twentieth century poetry
are
remarkable. I noticed in the epilogue,
which was written in 1973,
the
editor says that "a major prose presentation of the development of
Allen's
thought over a long period, 'Essays, Interviews, and Manifestos,
1955-Present,'
is under preparation and will appear in a couple of
years."
That would have been the mid-seventies.
I check out the Ginsberg
bibliography
at the Literary Kicks site, but it wasn't mentioned. Does
anyone
know if it ever was published?
DC
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Edie K
I
wonder if Edie K autobiography ever came out?
I am
typing in some paragraphs from a booklet she put out during the
river
city reunion.
This is
copyrighted material
"
Following the abortion of our child,1 Jack Kerouac and I decided to
get our
own apartment. We would drop out of
school and work, so that
Jack
could keep writing. We started looking
immediately with a friend
of
mine, a Barnard student who was married to an infantry soldier. her
name
was Joan Vollmer Adams. We found th
right place at 420 West 119th.
Street,apartment
#28, in the New Year of 1942, just after the attack of
Pearl
Harbor.
Joan's husband, Paul Adams, was a
Columbia law strdent, serving in the
Army. She got his allotment checks, plus a good
healthy allowance for
attendance
at Barnard. I also received an
allowance from my family in
Detroit,
and I would be attending Columbia in the spring as a special
student,to
study painting with George Grosz. We
used Joan's name, as a
respectable
married lady , to apply for the lease.
We were all going home for Easter, and
coming back for summer school,
so it
was just as well we didn't have to plunk down the money until
spring. The war was bulging Columbia with 90 day
wonders in the naval
officer
program, and good apartments were not easy to come by.
Joan, Jack, and I went back to our
separate parts of the U.S., most of
us by
train. I got the Empire State at 7:00
a.m. out of Grand Central
Station,
standing all the way home, since, as the war went on, there
were no
reserved seats. I arrived in Detroit
about 10:30 p.m. the same
night. The train cost about $23.00: the cab ride
home to Grosse Pointe
from
the Michigan Central Station was $3.00! I lived downstairs, in a
two
family flat in Gross pointe Park, with my mother and younger sister,
both
named Charlotta Frances (Jack called my sister Francis in the The
Town
and the city,). my mother owned and
operated Ground Gripper shoes,
in
downtown Detroit, working six days per week, eight hours per day. my
sister
was in high school and had her special gang, as I did mine.
People
in Grosse Pointe were not lacking anything in those days except
enough
things to spend money on!"
to be
continued
p
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Never
fails to amuse me how so many people send unsubscribe messages to the
list
itself. Someone even sent one to me only today.
Anyway,
Yeah, I
was thinking about Ken Nordine recently too and wondered why he
hadn't
come up on the list yet. He also does a great bookending job for the
Hal
Wilner CD Stay Awake, which has contemporary artists covering old
Disney
standards. He's also just done a radio commercial, for what product
I can't
tell you, which is pretty indicative of just how powerful his voice
is.
You're listening to the timbre, you're listening to the phrasing,
you're
listening to the tonal control. Oh, what product is it? Damn, have
to wait
till it comes on again. Sounds like it's a national commercial
though!
Malcs
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:53:39 +0800
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From: Sharon Ngiam
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Subject: the last time i committed suicide.
hi, in
the 'last time i committed suicide' (the one abt neal), who does
keanu
reeves portray?
it says
in my local mag that keanu plays the 'buddy he (neal) hangs out
with,
drinking beer, shooting pool." who's that?
thanks
a lot. btw, is it worth watching?
s.*
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Hi, I
have returned to the list after an absence. I was wondering where
you are
at? Bye.
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From: David Makar
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Subject: Time to go for a while
I am
going on a short vacation from all the world around, sadly including
the
community of beat-L. I will miss the action and return sometime in the
future.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:12:11 GMT
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From: "B. Sorensen" <i12bent@SPROG.AUC.DK>
Subject: Ginsberg
On Wed,
4 Jun 1997 10:45:10 -0500,
Bob
Fox <bfox@SIU.EDU> wrote:
> There is a piece by Paul Berman called
"Allen Ginsberg's Secret"
>published
in the latest issue of the on-line magazine SLATE. Go to
>http://www.slate.com/
and look in the section called "Back of the Book."
And in
case anyone can't access Slate, here is the little anecdote attached
to the
story proper. Re-printed w/o perm.
http://www.slate.com/Concept/97-06-04/anecdote.asp
A Last
Anecdote
By Paul
Berman
The
last time I saw Ginsberg was in Paris at the Hotel de ville--City
Hall--in
March 1996. The mayor of Paris was going to award medals of
achievement
to Ginsberg and a number of other American cultural figures.
Ginsberg
saw me in the audience and came over to chat. We admired
the
paintings on the columns and ceiling--huge golden portraits of
fleshy
nudes, pornographic paintings (from a puritanical, American point of
view),
impossible to imagine in any American government building.
The
mayor's assistant went to the microphone and began the ceremony. But
though
Ginsberg and I were standing at the front of the crowd, directly in
front
of the mike, Ginsberg kept up his commentary and chatter in full
voice,
quite as if the mayor's assistant hadn't begun to speak. After
a while
I warned Ginsberg that, at any moment, the mayor's assistant was
going
to call him up to receive his medal, and perhaps he ought to prepare
himself.
But
Ginsberg talked on in full voice and waved his hands animatedly, and
when
the mayor's assistant did call him up, he simply walked to the mike to
receive
the medal, turned to face the crowd and, instead of making a few
courteous
remarks, pulled a pocket camera out of his jacket and carefully,
slowly
photographed the crowd. An odd way to accept a prize. But his
behavior
matched his whim. He was entirely himself. No one was ever more
natural.
There were never any secrets with Allen Ginsberg--none that bore
on his
inner personality, anyway.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:42:13 -0400
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From: "Michael L. Buchenroth"
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Subject: Re: the last time i committed suicide.
Comments:
To: Sharon Ngiam <mimosa@PACIFIC.NET.SG>
In-Reply-To:
<199706060553.NAA12472@simon.pacific.net.sg>
On Fri,
6 Jun 1997, Sharon Ngiam wrote:
>
hi, in the 'last time i committed suicide' (the one abt neal), who does
>
keanu reeves portray?
> it
says in my local mag that keanu plays the 'buddy he (neal) hangs out
>
with, drinking beer, shooting pool." who's that?
In the
book, "Portable Beat Reader," edited by Ann Charters (an
anthology),
in the Neal Cassady section, a letter titled the "Cherry
Mary"
letter describes the answer to your question. In fact, that entire
movie
seems mostly based on that long letter Neal Wrote to Jack Kerouac.
That
letter also gets mentioned in "On the Road."
I do
not recall reading that letter in "Grace Meets Karma."
I
believe this answers the question, or at least provides a source. If it
doesn't
or others can add to it, please correct me and/or add to it...
Thanks...
Michael
L. Buchenroth
mike@buchenroth.com
www.buchenroth.com
To view
Columbus'
Electronic Literary Magazine
go to
www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: diane/all interested in my poetic
flounderings
In-Reply-To:
<970601113822_-1999383635@emout16.mail.aol.com>
for
diane, and anyone else interested in my word writhings from version to
version
(diane
suggested to use more of poetic form vs prose. some spacing is off
from
transition from clarisworks to this mailer.
happy
fried day to all!
Talking
to myself
fragments
and scraps from years past
I
i'm
busy talking to myself,
sweet
marie,
i'll
write a letter
when
something happens
right
now i'm busy talking to myself i
there
doth seem to be some truth refuse
in the
babbling of the mad
TRUDGE
to
i still
dont know too many people have
as i
cant remember my own name
in the
local bar i sit down on a bar stool to
(where
all the toughs sit)
i order
a pitcher of beer. work
i drink
the whole thing.
have to
report for draft physical for
late
oct/early nov
no way
out unless i flunk the physical a
i'm not
going to eat. living
if dick
gregory can do it
so can
i *this*
write
me because my tonsils are swelling again
is
and i
think i'm going to die (make it airmail)
my
manifesto!
steal it
if
you
there
doth be some truth
in the
babbling of the mad need
i
truely hope i will be recognized as such. direction
I I
out on
highway 61
hey
sweet marie,
got yr
postcard.
typical.
i'll
write a letter when something happens.
right
now i'm busy talking to myself.
i'm
sitting here at the bar, enscribing this
to you
on the head
of a pin
and finding
within
my infinite
self
that there doth be
some truth
in the
babbling of the mad
shortly
afterwards,
i find my finite self,
sitting here
driving
home from the ladies banquet ,
thinking
of a revenge
suitable
for all
occasions.
later,
i thumb a ride in the rain.
truck
with fully stocked
gun
rack stops, and
guy
leans over and says howdy,
right friendly
like,
so i
take a chance (with my long hair and all),
get in,
and ask,
"so
what's to be seen or done in the area, eh?"
welp,
he replied,
"i
still don't know too many people
as i
cant remember my own name"
i get
out as soon as inhumanly
possible.
before
i write any more,
sweet
marie
i beg you
write
me as my soul dwindles away..
(also,
please do not lose my letters
as you
most likely be able to cash in
on them
when i write my memoirs).
III
i do
the scene
the
other night i go to usual bar blue and
lonely
gloomy,
grab barstool
(where
all the toughs sit)
drink.
next to
me is asshole
smoking
cigarettes
flicking the ashes like
he was shoveling dirt,
crowding
me,
kicking
the bar for refills
slamming
his glass after every sip.
juke
box playing
postively fourth street
this dude starts singing it
- and i
say to myself, 'this dont mix" -
so i give him some of my
garlic bread.
he
tells me he was illegitimate kid of alcoholic musician
whose
claim to fame being fired by johnny cash
we
stagger out of the bar into his car. then
dead
drunk and stoned out of our minds,
nevertheless
we arrive, (where?)
guitairs
and harps in hands, we
played
and sangour way to dawn
then he
was gone.
end of
story.
ps
please write back because my tonsils are swelling again and i think i'm
going
to die. (air mail?)
lefty
IV
THE
DRAFT
sweet
marie:
i have
to report for my draft physical.
my
number's up, pal. unless,
of course
i flunk the physical:
i'm sleep deprived and hinky.
also
have stopped eating.
but
this may not work,
so
listen up.
there
are alternate plans
we need
an
alternate
step one of master plan B:
(master plan A
was to lose my leg and three fingers.
master plan A
alternate
was to
have the draft board members
lose a
leg and 3 fingers.
which brings me to
plan B:
Canada.
i'm low
on longjohns,
and too damned paranoid
hence
you are needed , sweet marie:
scrounging
round my brain
for
alternate plan B.
you'll know it as soon as i do,
but dont be surprised if i show up on
yr bedroom floor
etc et
al
lefty
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From: Mark Hemenway
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Subject: Lowell
Lowell
Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc
P.O.
Box 1111, Lowell, MA 01853
10th
ANNUAL FESTIVAL CELEBRATES JACK KEROUAC'S VISION OF LOWELL
In case
anyone missed it, here's the post on Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!
again.
Mark
Hemenway
*****
Bill
tells me I needed to convert the attachment to ASCII. Here it is.
FOR
IMMEDIATE RELEASE PRESS CONTACT:
MAY 27,
1997 Mark
Hemenway:
Day:
508-475-9090 ext 1239
Evening: 508-458-1721
PUBLIC
INQUIRIES:
1-800-443-3332
508-458-1721
(Lowell,
MA) The 10th Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival will take
place
2- 5 October in Lowell, MA. This year's theme will be Kerouac
Celebrates
Lowell. We will celebrate and explore the real and the mythic
Lowell.,
Massachusetts that Kerouac brought to life in his writing.
The
people and places of Lowell are central to Kerouac's work. Five of his
novels
describe his childhood and youth in the city, and images and
references
to his hometown appear in virtually every one of his works. His
descriptions
of Lowell are remarkable for their beauty, power and
timelessness.
Through them, millions of readers have come to know Lowell
as a
universal hometown. Join us as we walk the wrinkly tar sidewalks and
redbrick
alleys that Jack Kerouac wrote about in his novels and poetry.
Full
Press Release Attached
Lowell
Celebrates
Kerouac!,
Inc
P.O.
Box 1111, Lowell, MA 01853
10th
ANNUAL FESTIVAL CELEBRATES JACK KEROUAC'S VISION
OF
LOWELL
FOR
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
PRESS CONTACT:
MAY 27,
1997
Mark Hemenway:
Day: 508-475-9090
ext 1239
Evening:
508-458-1721
PUBLIC
INQUIRIES:
1-800-443-3332
508-458-1721
(Lowell,
MA) The 10th Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival
will
take place 2- 5 October in Lowell, MA. This year's theme will be Kerouac
Celebrates
Lowell. We will celebrate and explore the real and the mythic
Lowell.,
Massachusetts
that Kerouac brought to life in his writing.
The
people and places of Lowell are central to Kerouac's work. Five of his
novels
describe
his childhood and youth in the city, and images and references to his
hometown
appear in virtually every one of his works. His descriptions of Lowell
are
remarkable for their beauty, power and timelessness. Through them, millions
of
readers
have come to know Lowell as a universal hometown. Join us as we walk
the
wrinkly tar sidewalks and redbrick alleys that Jack Kerouac wrote about in
his
novels
and poetry.
Background:
Before
he died at age 46, Jack Kerouac published 24 books chronicling the
lives
and adventures of the post war generation in America. The raw energy and
beauty
of his prose established a new standard in American literature. The ideas
and way
of life that he wrote about would set the stage for the "rucksack
revolution"
of the sixties. Jack Kerouac along with Allen Ginsberg, William S.
Burroughs,
Neal Cassady and others, founded the Beat movement in American
literature
and culture, a movement that challenged the rigid social structure of
postwar
America and eventually lead to the sweeping social changes of the
sixties.
Today,
over fifty years since the principals met in New York, Jack Kerouac's
work
is
experiencing a revival of interest, enthusiasm and serious scholarship, in
America,
and throughout the world
Jack
Kerouac was born, raised and remained a native of Lowell throughout his
life.
His
novels are autobiographical. 5 of his
novels take place in Lowell, and the
city
is
mentioned in virtually every one of his books. His love for the city is
illustrated
in the
quotes inscribed on the Kerouac Commemorative in Eastern Canal Park,
Bridge
Street, Lowell.
Lowell
Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc. is a non-profit corporation dedicated to the
celebration,
enjoyment and study of Jack Kerouac and his writings. Whenever
possible,
events are free, however, donations are gratefully accepted for
continued
support
of the annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival.. To make a donation,
or to
find out more about Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc., write: P.O. Box
1111,
Lowell,
MA 01853.
For
additional information call the Merrimack Valley Convention and
Visitor's
Bureau at 1-800-443-3332, or Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc 508-458-
1721.
The
10th Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival will include:
Feature
Performance. Legendary performers and poets like Patti Smith, Allen
Ginsberg,
Ed Sanders, Michael McClure, Ray Manzarek, David Amram. Gregory
Corso
and Herbert Huncke have appeared during the festival. This year's tribute
to
Allen
Ginsberg and Herbert Huncke will bring together many Beat Artists.
Memorial
Mass for Jack Kerouac- A memorial mass for Jack Kerouac will be
held at
the St. Louis Roman Catholic Church, the parish in which he spent his
earliest
years.
Beat
Literature Conference- The University of Massachusetts-Lowell will
present
an academic conference on Jack Kerouac and the Beat writers on Friday,
October
3rd at the University's South Campus. Leading scholars of beat culture
and
literature will present papers and ideas in symposia and panels throughout
the
day.
The
Jack Kerouac Literary Prize. Emerging and established writers are invited
to
submit works of fiction, non-fiction or poetry for the Jack Kerouac Literary
Prize.
The winner will receive a $500 honorarium and an invitation to present
the
winning
manuscript at the October Festival. The Prize is sponsored by Lowell
Celebrates
Kerouac!, Inc, The Estate of Jack and Stella Kerouac, and Middlesex
Community
College. For guidelines, send a SASE to The Jack Kerouac Literary
Prize,
P.O. Box 8788, Lowell, MA 01853.
Photo
Exhibition. The festival will feature exhibitions of photographic works
by
Gordon
Ball, editor of Allen Ginsberg's journals.
Open
Photography Exhibition . Photographers of all ages, experience and media
are
invited to participate in an open exhibition of photographic images inspired
by
Jack
Kerouac or the Beats. The exhibition is sponsored by the Whistler House
Museum
of Art. For guidelines, send a SASE to
Beat Exhibition, 243 Worthen
St, Lowell,
MA 01852.
New
Books. We will celebrate the publication
of Some of the Dharma, and the
40th
Anniversary Edition of On the Road, by
Viking Penguin, the Collected
Works
of Herbert Huncke, and a new history of
Kerouac's roots in Nashua New
Hampshire
will be featured at the festival.
Small
Press Book Fair- The small press book fair is an opportunity to sample
regional
small press publications, and pick-up Kerouac books- new and rare.
Poetry
at The Rainbow Cafe- Authors read their works in the Kerouacian
ambience
of a neighborhood tavern in "Little Canada." Everyone is welcome to
read
their poetry or prose, but time is limited, please reserve a spot ahead of
time.
The
Kerouac Commemorative- The Jack Kerouac Commemorative is located in
downtown
Lowell at the intersection of Bridge and French Streets, near the
former
site of
his father's print shop. Selected Kerouac passages, etched in eight red
granite
pillars, stand as a living monument to his art. The symmetrical cross
and
diamond
pattern of The Commemorative is a
meditation on the complex Buddhist
and
Roman Catholic foundations of much of Jack's writing.
Walking
Tours- Walking tours of Kerouac sites in Lowell and Nashua, NH are
conducted
throughout the weekend. The tours change each year, but almost
always
include: Our Lady of Lourdes Grotto, the Watermelon Man Bridge, the
Merrimack
River, and many of the neighborhood sites Jack wrote about.
Bus
Tours- Bus tours of Lowell and Nashua, NH provide a more leisurely tour of
sites
in these two Kerouac cities. Jack Kerouac's mother and father met and the
family,
including Gerard are buried in Nashua.
Open
Microphone at the Coffee Mill- Sunday afternoons are reserved for an
open
microphone reading and performance at the Coffee Mill in downtown
Lowell.
Everyone is welcome to read their work. Sip expresso while waiting your
turn at
the microphone. .
Many
other activities are available during the weekend:
o Exhibits of first edition beat
publications and memorabilia.
o Jack Kerouac's rucksack and other personal
items are on display at the
Working
People Exhibit, Lowell National Historical Park.
o Edson Cemetery. Jack Kerouac is buried
in the Edson Cemetery just south of
Downtown
Lowell. The cemetery is open from sun-up to sun-down every day.
o Music and conversation- There will be many opportunities
throughout the
weekend
to share your festival experience and enthusiasm for Jack Kerouac
while
enjoying a beer at local taverns and nightspots.
For
additional information call the Merrimack Valley Convention and
Visitor's
Bureau at 1-800-443-3332, or Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc 508-458-
1721.
***END***
10th
Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Page
MORE...
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:26:29 -0400
Reply-To: MARK NOFERI
<NOFERI.MARK@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>
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From: MARK NOFERI
<NOFERI.MARK@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>
Subject: Re: travels
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:12:05 -0700
>From: Diane Carter
<dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>>
>
>You're
right, the details are very different depending on who the writer
>is,
and Beat writers could characterize something like eating lunch in
>totally
different ways. Speaking of sound, I
have been reading an older
>book(1974),
Allen Ginsberg Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics,
>Consciousness,
edited by Gordon Hall. It's written
from tapes (I think)
>of
lectures that Allen did on college campuses across the country.
>There's
some very interesting parts on sound in writing, especially about
>Kerouac,
and comparisons about him and Thomas Wolfe and how he took that
>and
went beyond it.
Yes,
excellent book - I used this heavily in my undergrad work, probably the
most out of all the AG books. There's
some
excellent sections on AG-WC Williams also, I believe. I spoke to Prof.
Gordon Ball at the Lowell festival last year
and
thanked him for his work - unfortunately, he told me that the book was now
out of print. I don't know if anything's
happened
since then w/ the new marketability in beat lit to bring it back.
Mark
Noferi
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:57:32 -0400
Reply-To: Antoine Maloney
<stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>
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From: Antoine Maloney
<stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>
Subject: Nordine, Jack et al...
Tony,
Can you tell me what label *Upper Limbo* came out on and when? Have
"Devout
Catalyst" which is great, particularly the stuff with Tom Waits, and
have
"Word Jazz" and "Colors" and various individual cuts and
radio interviews.
The whole genre of spoken word,
wordjazz, vocalese, and scat as
represented
by Lord Buckley, Slim Gaillard, Ray Brown (with the great
"Mumbles"),
Nordine, King Pleasure and .... is a goldmine with roots closely
intertwined
with the Beats and Jazz, particularly BeBop.
Consider this a half-assed partial
reply to Bruce Hartman's earlier
post on
Jazz and Mark Nofer's interesting post.
Question for Mark. Do you remember
very much about the details of
Gillespie
picking up on Kerouac's name for the composition that he and
Charlie
Christian called "Kerouac"? It's a fascinating topic. Players did
occasionally
name songs after fans and Jack was around listening, watching
and
doing the occasional jazz review.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:12:12 -0400
Reply-To: Marie Countryman
<country@SOVER.NET>
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From: Marie Countryman
<country@SOVER.NET>
Subject: i sent the wrong version (shoot me not
already dead)
for
diane, and anyone else interested in my word writhings from version to
version
(diane
suggested to use more of poetic form vs prose. some spacing is off
from
transition from clarisworks to this mailer.
happy
fried day to all!
Talking
to myself
fragments
and scraps from years past
I
i'm
busy talking to myself,
sweet
marie,
i'll
write a letter
when
something happens
right
now i'm busy talking to myself i
there
doth seem to be some truth refuse
in the
babbling of the mad
TRUDGE
to
i still
dont know too many people have
as i
cant remember my own name
in the
local bar i sit down on stool to
(where
all the toughs sit)
i order
a pitcher of beer. work
i drink
the whole thing.
have to
report for draft physical for
late
oct/early nov
no way
out unless i flunk the physical a
i'm not
going to eat. living
if dick
gregory can do it
so can
i *this*
write
me because my tonsils are swelling again
is
and i
think i'm going to die (make it airmail)
my
manifesto!
steal
it
if
you
there
doth be some truth
in the
babbling of the mad need
i
truely hope i will be recognized as such. direction
I I
out on
highway 61
hey
sweet marie,
got yr
postcard.
typical.
i'll
write a letter when something happens.
right
now i'm busy talking to myself.
i'm
sitting here at the bar, enscribbling this letter
to you
on the head of a pin
and
finding
within my
infinite
self
that there doth be
some truth
in the
babbling of the mad
shortly
afterwards,
driving
home from the ladies banquet ,
thinking
of a revenge
suitable
for all
occasions.
before
i write any more,
sweet
marie
i beg you
write
me as my soul dwindles away..
(also,
please do not lose my letters
as you
most likely be able to cash in
on them
when i write my memoirs).
III
i do
the scene
the
other night i go to usual bar blue and
lonely
gloomy,
grab barstool
(where
all the toughs sit)
I
drink.
next to
me is asshole
smoking
cigarettes
flicking the ashes like
he was shoveling dirt,
crowding
me,
kicking
the bar for refills
slamming
his glass after every sip.
juke box
playing
postively fourth street
this dude starts singing it
- and i
say to myself, 'this dont mix" -
so i give him some of my
garlic bread.
he
tells me he was illegitimate kid of alcoholic musician
whose claim
to fame being fired by johnny cash
we
stagger out of the bar into his car
guitairs
and harps in hands, we
played
and sang our way to dawn
then he
was gone.
end of
story.
ps
please write back because my tonsils
are
swelling again and i think i'm going to die.
(air
mail?)
lefty
IV
THE
DRAFT
sweet
marie:
i have
to report for my draft physical.
my
number's up, pal. unless,
of
course i flunk the physical:
i'm sleep deprived and hinky.
also
have stopped eating.
but this
may not work,
so
listen up.
there
are alternate plans
we need
an
alternate
to master plan B:
(master plan A
was to lose my leg and three
fingers.
master plan A
alternate
was to have the draft board
members
lose a
leg and 3 fingers.
which brings me to
plan B:
Canada.
i'm low
on longjohns,
and too damned paranoid
hence
you are needed , sweet marie:
scrounge round my brain
for
alternate plan B.
you'll know it as soon as i do,
but dont be surprised if i show up on
yr bedroom floor
etc et
al
lefty
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:04:18 -0400
Reply-To: "Michael L. Buchenroth"
<mike@INFINET.COM>
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List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Michael L. Buchenroth"
<mike@INFINET.COM>
Subject: Re: travels
Comments:
To: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
In-Reply-To: <33971006.2A6A@midusa.net>
On Thu,
2 Jun 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>
Well, I re-read Borroughs language-virus/electronic revolution thing
>
today and was thinking about it
>
quite a bit. It seems the virus particularly relates to a particular form
> of
temporal consciousness heightened by particular forms of
>
causal-calculative symbolic action. I'm not certain that I'm willing to
>
jump into the boat of this being physiological yet. It is a big
>
difference to say language is a virus and language functions like a
>
virus. I wonder how William Burroughs is able to jump outside the
>
biological constraints if the relationship is not to some degree
>
figurative?...
On The
Web Site for the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List
(To
subscribe to the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List
send a
message to:
listserv@newciv.org
with the BODY: subscribe ssread-l)
a
message got posted that deals specifically with your question:
Section
C: Relates to ilustrations from the 'mental' and nervous diseases.
Here he
shows how the 'mental' factors produce the same effects as those
caused
by allergy to certain stimulants. He mentions the production of an
attack
of hay fever even when exposed to roses made of paper. Simply the
belief
that the roses were genuine produced this anaphylactic reaction.
He
expains how Migraine manifests itself from a wide variety of stimuli
ranging
from physical, to chemical to endocrinal etc.
AK mentions also
about
the phenomenal variety of effects produced by the over/under
production
of the various hormones. In the various instances, the excess
or
deficiency of the hormones affect various tissues. To sum up: The
NON-EL
principle formulates a structural character inherently found in the
structure
of the world, ourselves, our nervous system on all levels; the
knowledge
and application of which exists unconditionally necessary for
adjustment
on all levels, and, therefore, in humans, for SANITY.
STRUCTURALLY
every organism depends on its environment; and, therfore, in
building
our languages, we ought to coin non-el terms which treat the
organism-as-a-whole
without splitting it up. Lastly, AK notes
that we do
not
habitualy apply what we 'know'. The STRUCTURAL implications of
language
work UNCONSCIOUSLY. He stresses that we need to TRAIN oursleves
in THE
USE of non-el terms to expect maximum
semantic
results.
This
post hastily summarizes AK's Chapter 10, Organisms-as-a-whole. AK
used
that example of the Rose alergy throughout the text. His
physiological
'semantic reaction' to paper roses he attributed to the
word
'rose' rather than to actual physiological roses; thus a
physiological
reaction to a physiological word (thought occurs as a
chemical
physiological entity--or spoken words exist as air in motion in
specific
recognizable patterns--waves, etc.) Other semanticists compare
the
placebo affect as another example of AK's intended meaning in Chapter
10.
Burroughs'
notion that humans (and life forms in general most likely)
experience
physiological reactions to language; or that humans
physiologically
experience language; can not really get disputed! Of
course,
we must first agree on our usage of 'physiological,' and
'language.'
But using AK's stipulations, or more recently Dr. Hal C Becker
of
Tulane Medical College, propaganda hits us in the gut! Numerous
examples
exist. AK's decriptions in "Science & Sanity," Chap 10, perhaps
exist
as the first textual mention ever of this notion. I have not yet
encountered
an earlier mention.
The
"Science and Sanity" reading list also maintains an extremely
interesting
web page at:
http://www.newciv.org/ssread/
To
summarize, I must agree with Burroughs here David.
I have
that site linked to my CELM site's "Literary Links."
Thanks...
Michael
L. Buchenroth
www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:23:36 -0500
Reply-To: Patricia Elliott
<pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
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From: Patricia Elliott
<pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
Subject: The Mecca of Lawrence....
James
Stauffer wrote:
>
>
Patricia
>
>
Appreciate the Edie Kerouac posts.
Don't think I've seen this before.
>
Further installments would be wonderful.
>
>
James Stauffer
I MADE
IT !!!!!!!!!
to
Lawrence
only
got lost once.
Dark
road with keep out signs
near
Riley Kansas.
I
thought sounds like
a good
direction to go.
Scary
roads
25
minutes later
i was
where i'd been
35
minutes before
i'd
turned on the road.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:44:08 -0500
Reply-To: Patricia Elliott
<pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
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List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
Subject: Burroughs & viruses
Michael
L. Buchenroth wrote:
>
> On
Thu, 2 Jun 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>
>
> Well, I re-read Borroughs language-virus/electronic revolution thing
>
> today and was thinking about it
>
> quite a bit. It seems the virus particularly relates to a particular form
>
> of temporal consciousness heightened by particular forms of
>
> causal-calculative symbolic action. I'm not certain that I'm willing to
>
> jump into the boat of this being physiological yet. It is a big
>
> difference to say language is a virus and language functions like a
>
> virus. I wonder how William Burroughs is able to jump outside the
>
> biological constraints if the relationship is not to some degree
>
> figurative?...
>
> On
The Web Site for the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List
>
(To subscribe to the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List
>
send a message to:
> listserv@newciv.org
> with the BODY: subscribe ssread-l)
>
> a
message got posted that deals specifically with your question:
>
>
Section C: Relates to ilustrations from the 'mental' and nervous diseases.
>
Here he shows how the 'mental' factors produce the same effects as those
>
caused by allergy to certain stimulants. He mentions the production of an
>
attack of hay fever even when exposed to roses made of paper. Simply the
>
belief that the roses were genuine produced this anaphylactic reaction.
> He
expains how Migraine manifests itself from a wide variety of stimuli
>
ranging from physical, to chemical to endocrinal etc. AK mentions also
>
about the phenomenal variety of effects produced by the over/under
>
production of the various hormones. In the various instances, the excess
> or
deficiency of the hormones affect various tissues. To sum up: The
>
NON-EL principle formulates a structural character inherently found in the
>
structure of the world, ourselves, our nervous system on all levels; the
>
knowledge and application of which exists unconditionally necessary for
>
adjustment on all levels, and, therefore, in humans, for SANITY.
>
STRUCTURALLY every organism depends on its environment; and, therfore, in
>
building our languages, we ought to coin non-el terms which treat the
>
organism-as-a-whole without splitting it up.
Lastly, AK notes that we do
>
not habitualy apply what we 'know'. The STRUCTURAL implications of
>
language work UNCONSCIOUSLY. He stresses that we need to TRAIN oursleves
> in
THE USE of non-el terms to expect maximum
>
semantic results.
>
>
This post hastily summarizes AK's Chapter 10, Organisms-as-a-whole. AK
>
used that example of the Rose alergy throughout the text. His
>
physiological 'semantic reaction' to paper roses he attributed to the
>
word 'rose' rather than to actual physiological roses; thus a
> physiological
reaction to a physiological word (thought occurs as a
>
chemical physiological entity--or spoken words exist as air in motion in
>
specific recognizable patterns--waves, etc.) Other semanticists compare
>
the placebo affect as another example of AK's intended meaning in Chapter
>
10.
>
>
Burroughs' notion that humans (and life forms in general most likely)
>
experience physiological reactions to language; or that humans
>
physiologically experience language; can not really get disputed! Of
>
course, we must first agree on our usage of 'physiological,' and
>
'language.' But using AK's stipulations, or more recently Dr. Hal C Becker
> of
Tulane Medical College, propaganda hits us in the gut! Numerous
>
examples exist. AK's decriptions in "Science & Sanity," Chap 10,
perhaps
>
exist as the first textual mention ever of this notion. I have not yet
>
encountered an earlier mention.
>
>
The "Science and Sanity" reading list also maintains an extremely
>
interesting web page at:
>
http://www.newciv.org/ssread/
>
> To
summarize, I must agree with Burroughs here David.
>
> I
have that site linked to my CELM site's "Literary Links."
>
Thanks...
>
>
Michael L. Buchenroth
>
www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html
sitting
drinking coffee with patricia ... she's playing Tetrus very
well. we kicked the kids off the computers so we
could play.
from
the explanation you posted, it seems to make perfect sense to me as
well. i think my confusion is at the point of what
constitutes
physiological. i had the impression that it was being
described as
something
which involved significant evolutionary and genetic mutation
in the
human population over time. it seems
that if this view of
symbolism
is too embedded in evolution and genetics, it becomes a hurdle
that
simply being aware of the unconscious effects would not be
sufficient
to breakout of. at least, it would seem
that this process
would
require another cycle of evolutionary change in what we call
human.
i tend
to think that burroughs is probably correct that these symbolic
factors
are imbedded deeply in conscious and unconscious communicative
acts. the notion of "allergy" is an
excellent one. but the fact that
some
gain an awareness that explodes the "allergic" relationship, seems
to
suggest that it is possible for many more to explode it.
it is a
fine line here. something of a
paradoxical one. the amount of
biological
determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the
ability
of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
in
Lawrence
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:43:09 -0400
Reply-To: Tony Trigilio
<atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>
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From: Tony Trigilio
<atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Nordine, Jack et al...
In-Reply-To:
<BEAT-L%97060609573189@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> from "Antoine
Maloney" at
Jun 6, 97 09:57:32 am
Antoine--*Upper
Limbo* came out in 1993 on Grateful Dead Records
(catalog
# GDCD40172).
I'm
curious about the availability of the others you mentioned ("Devout
Catalyst,"
etc.): are those on labels carried by
record stores or mail
order? The first time I heard "Word Jazz"
(the radio program) was on
NPR
about 10 years ago. I was
amazed--delightfully dizzy, with both
speakers
at different ends of the room and the volume up high and
Nordine
careening all over. After the show, an
800-number was
advertised,
where one could order "Word Jazz" tapes. I called the
number
and found it was out of service. It
turns out that the "Word
Jazz"
show I heard was a rerun--including the 800-number--of a show
from a
few years before.
Malcolm--the
only commercials I'm aware Nordine did were for Levi's,
maybe
in the early- to mid-80s. Probably
others I don't know of,
however.
Tony
>
Tony,
>
> Can you tell me what label *Upper
Limbo* came out on and when? Have
>
"Devout Catalyst" which is great, particularly the stuff with Tom
Waits, and
>
have "Word Jazz" and "Colors" and various individual cuts
and radio
interviews.
>
> The whole genre of spoken word,
wordjazz, vocalese, and scat as
>
represented by Lord Buckley, Slim Gaillard, Ray Brown (with the great
>
"Mumbles"), Nordine, King Pleasure and .... is a goldmine with roots
closely
>
intertwined with the Beats and Jazz, particularly BeBop.
>
> Consider this a half-assed partial
reply to Bruce Hartman's earlier
>
post on Jazz and Mark Nofer's interesting post.
>
> Question for Mark. Do you remember
very much about the details of
>
Gillespie picking up on Kerouac's name for the composition that he and
>
Charlie Christian called "Kerouac"? It's a fascinating topic. Players
did
>
occasionally name songs after fans and Jack was around listening, watching
>
and doing the occasional jazz review.
>
> Antoine
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who
doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:06:44 -0500
Reply-To: Nick Weir-Williams
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Subject: List changes
As a
two-year veteran of the Beat list, and a manager of my own list, I have
to say
that I think the changing of the reply function on the list will have
a
serious and damaging effect on the list. I'm sorry to see it happen, I
must
say.
However
I also have to sympathize with Bill and the list managers.
Admittedly
under great provocation, the list has seen threats of legal
action
and being reported to the FBI. Given what's in the archives at
certain
times in the list's history, I can see that many people wouldn't
appreciate
that at all. Whether it was intended or not, the threats of
action
appeared to be made against the whole list rather than just against
individuals,
and I can see why the list manager felt action was necessary.
Another
list I am on has two lawsuits in progress, and it has been decimated
as a
result.
I did
have one-follow up question regarding the archives. I asked a few
weeks
back about the state of the archives. Are they being properly
maintained?
In proper humidity controlled and secure environment? We have
learnt
from the correspondence that (a) there is clearly a market for
Kerouac
materials that have disappeared from places and (b) that the
notebooks
and manauscripts are fragile. The 50's, after all, were not the
high
point of quality paper manufacture. Paul Maher said in a recent post
that
everything was being properly cared for, and I wonder if he or others
could
elaborate on that, please
Nick
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:52:27 -0500
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Edie, Kerouac-Parker
James,
it seems that I shouldn't post copyrighted stuff unless i have
the
copyrighters permission. The excerpt
came from a booklet
calle
To
william S. Burroughs
Essays
& Poems
Celebrating
The 1987 river city reunion
By
Frankie "Edie" Keroac-Parker
I have
an extra un autographed book and could send it to you but want it
back. If you are interested. let me know.
p
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It's
time to go.
I found
this list via Levy Asher's web page at the time of news that Allen
Ginsburg
was was ill. This list is alive and
full and I thank you.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:42:20 -0700
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From: Eric Lytle
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Sarcos Inc.
Subject: Re: Nordine, Jack et al...
Tony
Trigilio wrote:
>
I'm curious about the availability of the others you mentioned ("Devout
>
Catalyst," etc.): are those on
labels carried by record stores or mail
>
order?
Devout
Catalyst is also on Grateful Dead Records.
It has KN doing Word
Jazz
backed by Jerry Garcia. Word Jazz is on
Rhino - Word Beat. I've
forgotten
what label Colors is on, but it was
released in the last two
years. I was able to find all of these disks in the
local-owned CD
shops. The national chains , Blockbuster, may not carry them. I've
also
found them online by searching Ken Nordine.
The
first time I heard "Word Jazz" (the radio program) was on
>
NPR about 10 years ago. I was
amazed--delightfully dizzy, with both
>
speakers at different ends of the room and the volume up high and
>
Nordine careening all over. After the
show, an 800-number was
>
advertised, where one could order "Word Jazz" tapes. I called the
>
number and found it was out of service.
It turns out that the "Word
>
Jazz" show I heard was a rerun--including the 800-number--of a show
>
from a few years before.
>
Been
there
>
Malcolm--the only commercials I'm aware Nordine did were for Levi's,
>
maybe in the early- to mid-80s.
Probably others I don't know of,
>
however.
He has
done several national ads in the 90's.
The last one I remember
was
Chevron, or some other gasoline
co., where he was talking power
and
performance, cleaning your engine, etc. while big splashes of gas
washed
over the screen. Very satisfied cars
and owners drove around in
the
background. It made me want to hit the
Road.
-E
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:52:06 -0400
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From: "Michael L. Buchenroth"
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Subject: Re: Burroughs & viruses
Comments:
To: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
In-Reply-To: <339821B2.5E52@sunflower.com>
On Fri,
6 Jun 1997, David Rhaesa wrote:
>
sitting drinking coffee with patricia ... she's playing Tetrus very
>
well. we kicked the kids off the
computers so we could play.
> i
had the impression that it was being described as
>
something which involved significant evolutionary and genetic mutation
> in
the human population over time. it
seems that if this view of
>
symbolism is too embedded in evolution and genetics, it becomes a hurdle
>
that simply being aware of the unconscious effects would not be
>
sufficient to breakout of. at least, it
would seem that this process
>
would require another cycle of evolutionary change in what we call
>
human.
David:
This
evolutionary/genetic mutation inclusion in 'physiological' does
change
the original notion, doesn't it? Indeed! I hadn't considered that.
> i
tend to think that burroughs is probably correct that these symbolic
>
factors are imbedded deeply in conscious and unconscious communicative
>
acts. the notion of "allergy"
is an excellent one. but the fact that
>
some gain an awareness that explodes the "allergic" relationship,
seems
> to
suggest that it is possible for many more to explode it.
Even though
I had not considered this broader point of view or more
inclusive
stipulation of 'physiological' in my post, I certainly agree
with
you. Or that our semantic reaction roots into us genetically, sure
opens a
whole new set of considerations! I can't help but think of Carl
Jung's
Collective here. If we consider that these ancient, unconscious
collective
associations happen physiologically in our brains or brain stems,
then
Jung agrees with you. I sure believe that Jung's Collective evolves.
I believe
that these reactions or associations we have,
or that
the relationship we have
between
us (our minds) to these archetypal symbols, motifs, whatever
happen
or occur physiologically! I cannot separate us to any degree from
the
physical world! Then, our physiologically
evolving Collective
Unconscious
that Jung described, and documented, supports what you write!
> it
is a fine line here. something of a
paradoxical one. the amount of
>
biological determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the
>
ability of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.
I don't
like this notion of biological determinism though. To me, this
implies
human symbolic behavior had some finite beginning. I don't even
believe
our human symbolic behavior began with the Big Bang.
Or the
Big Bang prior to the most recent one. We just evolve. To David
Bohm,
everything just exists continually evolving (changing). To Bohm,
reality
evolved to point we experience currently, and will continue--and
language,
symbolic behavior, etc. with it. This seems much as a
metaphysical
claim. So much of Bohm borders in the metaphysical. He could
debate
his understanding. I do not have sufficient understanding to
debate
what he wrote. And I detest others attempting to suck me into
metaphysical
debates. I either believe or not. So I'll stop at that not
intending
to create such a metaphysical issue here...
Have
you read the Proust book Neal Cassady wrote of so often? I checked
that
from the library last winter and read the 1st half of it. It proved
a long
winding read! My point here, though, I believe Neal Cassady
thought
deeply about this very subject that you initiated or that
Burroughs
initiated. And I couldn't help compare Proust descriptions as a
young
child of questioning existence to Jung's childhood turmoil about God's
existence.
Neal Cassady seemed to toil with this same issue--
memorizing
each Pope in prison, etc. and going off into Edgar Casey, etc.
Somehow,
it seems connected...
Michael
L. Buchenroth
mike@buchenroth.com
www.buchenroth.com
To view
Columbus'
Electronic Literary Magazine
go to
www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:13:16 -0400
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Malcolm
Lawrence wrote:
>
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>
>
-----------------------------------------
>
Never fails to amuse me how so many people send unsubscribe messages
> to
the
>
list itself. Someone even sent one to me only today.
>
>
Anyway,
>
>
Yeah, I was thinking about Ken Nordine recently too and wondered why
> he
>
hadn't come up on the list yet. He also does a great bookending job
>
for the
>
Hal Wilner CD Stay Awake, which has contemporary artists covering old
>
Disney standards. He's also just done a radio commercial, for what
>
product
> I
can't tell you, which is pretty indicative of just how powerful his
>
voice
>
is. You're listening to the timbre, you're listening to the phrasing,
>
you're listening to the tonal control. Oh, what product is it? Damn,
>
have
> to
wait till it comes on again. Sounds like it's a national commercial
>
>
though!
>
>
Malcs
Malcs:
Years
ago, Nordine took a bunch of his riffs and did Levis commercials.
One day
a stranger came to our town.
I
always thought that Vidiots was da bomb.
--
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i found
this and don't know where its been but forwarded it to general
list.
p
R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
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>
>
Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
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>
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:36:09 -0400
>
From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
>
Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz kirby
>
To: Multiple@scsn.net, recipients@scsn.net, of@scsn.net,
> list@scsn.net, BEAT-L@scsn.net
>
References: <01BC71FA.180E8A20@sea-ts3-p66.wolfenet.com>
>
>
Malcolm Lawrence wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Never fails to amuse me how so many people send unsubscribe messages
>
> to the
>
> list itself. Someone even sent one to me only today.
>
>
>
> Anyway,
>
>
>
> Yeah, I was thinking about Ken Nordine recently too and wondered why
>
> he
>
> hadn't come up on the list yet. He also does a great bookending job
>
> for the
>
> Hal Wilner CD Stay Awake, which has contemporary artists covering old
>
> Disney standards. He's also just done a radio commercial, for what
>
> product
>
> I can't tell you, which is pretty indicative of just how powerful his
>
> voice
>
> is. You're listening to the timbre, you're listening to the phrasing,
>
> you're listening to the tonal control. Oh, what product is it? Damn,
>
> have
>
> to wait till it comes on again. Sounds like it's a national commercial
>
>
>
> though!
>
>
>
> Malcs
>
> Malcs:
>
>
Years ago, Nordine took a bunch of his riffs and did Levis commercials.
>
One day a stranger came to our town.
>
> I
always thought that Vidiots was da bomb.
>
> --
>
> Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:44:12 -0400
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From: "Michael L. Buchenroth"
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Subject: Re: Burroughs & viruses
Comments:
To: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
In-Reply-To: <339821B2.5E52@sunflower.com>
On Fri,
6 Jun 1997, David Rhaesa wrote:
> it
is a fine line here. something of a
paradoxical one. the amount of
>
biological determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the
>
ability of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.
David:
I
couldn't agree with you more here even though 'determinism' has
uncomfortable
implications to me. Considering what you write here, it
almost
seems futile to even try to control our semantic reactions,
doesn't
it? Your biological determinism notion sure weakens AK's notion
that we
can create and use symbolic behavior to get past this
'allergy.'
Perhaps we cannot! Or the amount of control needed seems
almost
shaman. We would need to reach inside ourselves, walk slowly on fire,
slow
our heartbeat, and then go deeper still, to manipulate some genetic
code or
something. That sure well-represents your notion of a
paradox--genetically
altered, cloned beings who can walk into WalMart and
walk
out empty handed, unaffected by those damn "falling prices."
Propagandaless
existence! A Dolly who doesn't tread the time-worn path...
And who
remembers those rules white washed on the side of the barn!
A real
Beat sheep, perhaps..
Michael
L. Buchenroth mike@buchenroth.com
www.buchenroth.com
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Michael
L. Buchenroth wrote:
>
David:
>
This evolutionary/genetic mutation inclusion in 'physiological' does
>
change the original notion, doesn't it? Indeed! I hadn't considered that.
>
>
> i tend to think that burroughs is probably correct that these symbolic
>
> factors are imbedded deeply in conscious and unconscious communicative
>
> acts. the notion of
"allergy" is an excellent one.
but the fact that
>
> some gain an awareness that explodes the "allergic"
relationship, seems
>
> to suggest that it is possible for many more to explode it.
>
>
Even though I had not considered this broader point of view or more
>
inclusive stipulation of 'physiological' in my post, I certainly agree
>
with you. Or that our semantic reaction roots into us genetically, sure
>
opens a whole new set of considerations! I can't help but think of Carl
>
Jung's Collective here. If we consider that these ancient, unconscious
>
collective associations happen physiologically in our brains or brain stems,
>
then Jung agrees with you. I sure believe that Jung's Collective evolves.
> I
believe that these reactions or associations we have,
> or
that the relationship we have
>
between us (our minds) to these archetypal symbols, motifs, whatever
> happen
or occur physiologically! I cannot separate us to any degree from
>
the physical world! Then, our physiologically
evolving Collective
>
Unconscious that Jung described, and documented, supports what you write!
Eating
food for lunch. mexican kind. jung probably affects my thinking
here. in a debate with my shrink once we got to
where he conceded that
Jungian
archetypes extend to the 'genetic' level.
i don't believe that
he
quite fathomed the extensions and implications of this conception.
this
would - if true - eliminate the physiological difficulties i was
having
before.
i am
really interested in the notion of 'allergy' as archetype. i think
that
the 'virus'/'allergy' notion as archetype is worth exploring.
just
went over to J. Hood bookstore on massachusetts avenue and snagged
a copy
of Kenneth Burke's Language as Symbolic Action. it is seriously
reminding
me of some questions which i'll address when i get back to
salina.
for
starters a hint is talking about the way that symbolic-action is
viral
in its relation to "time" which seems a critical part of the
virus. i'll think about this on the drive home and
relate more to you
then.
>
>
> it is a fine line here. something
of a paradoxical one. the amount of
>
> biological determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the
>
> ability of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.
>
> I
don't like this notion of biological determinism though. To me, this
>
implies human symbolic behavior had some finite beginning. I don't even
>
believe our human symbolic behavior began with the Big Bang.
> Or
the Big Bang prior to the most recent one. We just evolve. To David
>
Bohm, everything just exists continually evolving (changing). To Bohm,
>
reality evolved to point we experience currently, and will continue--and
>
language, symbolic behavior, etc. with it. This seems much as a
>
metaphysical claim. So much of Bohm borders in the metaphysical. He could
>
debate his understanding. I do not have sufficient understanding to
>
debate what he wrote. And I detest others attempting to suck me into
>
metaphysical debates. I either believe or not. So I'll stop at that not
>
intending to create such a metaphysical issue here...
not
trying to get into metaphysical (i don't care for that word). it is
mostly
a conceptual question of virus as figurative vs. virus as
literal. i think that the archetypal notion might
connect the two.
>
>
Have you read the Proust book Neal Cassady wrote of so often? I checked
>
that from the library last winter and read the 1st half of it. It proved
> a
long winding read! My point here, though, I believe Neal Cassady
>
thought deeply about this very subject that you initiated or that
>
Burroughs initiated. And I couldn't help compare Proust descriptions as a
>
young child of questioning existence to Jung's childhood turmoil about God's
>
existence. Neal Cassady seemed to toil with this same issue--
>
memorizing each Pope in prison, etc. and going off into Edgar Casey, etc.
>
Somehow, it seems connected...
not
read Proust. Jung's specific
questioning probably had to do with
being a
preacher's kid. the 'type' of questions
seem very connected.
Kierkegaard
probably links them most often. don't
know if he finds an
answer. these questions do relate to the control of
the virus on human
activity.
>
>
Michael L. Buchenroth
>
mike@buchenroth.com
>
www.buchenroth.com
> To
view
>
Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine
> go
to
>
www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:42 -0400
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So
Patricia ...and david?
does
this mean that you've travelled to Lawrence and are now at Patricia's?
....very
cool if true - what a list!
antoine
(using more lower case letters because I broke my wrist last night
when a
ladder broke under me....just as renovation season starts! not too
bad
though - i only have a splint on it/
antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:02:45 -0400
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fred,
message
i sent this am came back with 182 recipients; this pm it was at 248!
can you
explain the mysteries of subscriber's count?
thanks
antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:14:18 -0400
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Subject: list count
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fred,
that
should have said 231 - 248 was from your prior post about subscribers
when it
was reported to be at 248 altrhough we were seeing under 200 on our
recipients
count that shows with message confirmation.
antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:25:50 -0500
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Re: The Mecca of Lawrence....
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Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>
> So
Patricia ...and david?
>
>
does this mean that you've travelled to Lawrence and are now at Patricia's?
>
....very cool if true - what a list!
>
>
antoine (using more lower case letters because I broke my wrist last night
>
when a ladder broke under me....just as renovation season starts! not too
>
bad though - i only have a splint on it/
>
>
antoine
>
>
Patricia wrote
yes
david got here early this morning, i have drug him all over town and
he has
the Billy Plymell room in the basement.
I got to feed him and
there
will be a turkey and pie party sunday. Anyone on the list of
course
is invited. lol
patricia
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:48:30 -0400
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Can
someone please post, or re-post, the scheduling of the memorial that
is
sposed to occur in i think Paterson NJ. i would appreciate info.
Where,
and when is it taking place, does anyone know how to give
directions
from say, rt. 80.
thanks,
Eric
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:17:03 -0400
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Tony,
Nordine's "colors" recording
was originally a series of radio spots
for a
paint company.
antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:48:22 -0400
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Re: Nordine, Jack et al...
Antoine:
Annie
Ross provided some of the best original scat and sometimes recorded
with
King Pleasure. I saw her once. I didn't realize she was from Ireland.
Charles
Plymell
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:29:34 -0700
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
>
Antoine Maloney wrote:
>
>
>
> So Patricia ...and david?
>
>
>
> does this mean that you've travelled to Lawrence and are now at
Patricia's?
>
> ....very cool if true - what a list!
>
>
>
> antoine (using more lower case letters because I broke my wrist last night
>
> when a ladder broke under me....just as renovation season starts! not too
>
> bad though - i only have a splint on it/
>
>
>
> antoine
>
>
>
> Patricia wrote
>
>
yes david got here early this morning, i have drug him all over town and
> he
has the Billy Plymell room in the basement.
I got to feed him and
>
there will be a turkey and pie party sunday. Anyone on the list of
>
course is invited. lol
>
patricia
That
was a little confusing at first, hearing David's words under
Patricia
Elliott's sig. It would make it
interesting, wouldn't it, if we
each
could live out our own "on the road" on the list, traveling across
the
country, knowing that somewhere down the road was a friendly beat-l
member
waiting for us to arrive?
DC
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:45:19 -0500
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Patricia
wrote
Are
beat- l member activities list related. We ate, who cares what, and
watched
evening star, and wondered is Jack Nicklson ( who was only in
that
movie as a cameo)beat related because of easy rider?
Went
with David to Hoods used books store, where a fast but good time
was
had. John Hood said that it was hard to keep anything of wsb's in.
p
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:54:37 -0500
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this is
not patricia ... this is me david aka race
it
appears that the beat-hotel has moved to lawrence.
the
time here has been wonderful.
food
report - dinner, good, italian
read
half of queer this afternoon and found some other notions for virus
thread.
patricia
says to tell WHAT book i bought. i
bought Kenneth Burke
(columbia
drop-out), Language as Symbolic Action.
reading essay on Poe
and
perfection right now. well actually
that was b4 my siesta and b4
reading
from Queer.
the
movie was good. i kept saying when is
jack showing up. when is
jack
showing up. he still stole the show.
had my
first chat experience today. told them
i was from Mars.
Lawrence
is wonderful. ghostlike memories of
fifteen years ago when i
lived
here and many changes some even good.
tempting
just to move here again next week.
got
done with the movie in time to watch michael jordan lose.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
On
Route to KC 4 wedding (not mine)
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:22:55 -0700
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
>
Patricia wrote
>
Are beat- l member activities list related. We ate, who cares what, and
>
watched evening star, and wondered is Jack Nicklson ( who was only in
>
that movie as a cameo)beat related because of easy rider?
>
Went with David to Hoods used books store, where a fast but good time
>
was had. John Hood said that it was hard to keep anything of wsb's in.
> p
Patricia
and David,
I would
say Jack is definitly at least Beat Related.
Hopper had photos
in the
Whitney thing when it passed through SF and flew up for the
Ginsberg
Memorial in SF, so at least by association Jack has to be at
least
tangentially beat.
And in
my view the activities of list members are certainly appropriate
fodder
for the list. (As long as you guys
aren't secretely forging each
other's
signatures in order to purloin each other's posthumous
archives.)
I'll be
with you in spirit in Lawrence at your turkey and pie feed.
James
Stauffer
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:43:04 -0400
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this is
me david aka race, wrote:
told
them i was from Mars.
David,
Jimi
Hendrix said he was from an asteroid belt near Mars. Do you think
there
used to be a planet between Mars and Jupiter?
There is a thread
on this
that runs through psychedlic rock, so it could just be an LSD
thing,
or it could be information in the genes.
Funny, if you see Jimi
in a
dream, ask him, I will.
Peace,
--
Bentz
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:56:21 -0400
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Subject: Oh yeah, and in case you been dissing
Carl Jung lately
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Oh
yeah, and in case you been dissing Carl Jung, the collective
unconscious
and archetypes lately, this was posted to the Hendrix mail
list
and I just read it:
>Someone
was commenting on an interview with Carlos Santana and reported
that
>Santana said about Hendrix:
>They
(sic) great thing was that they talked about him
>different
than anyone else. Santanta said he was
a sound sculpturer,
and
>that
his blues sounded like they came from Mars.
Someone else also
>mentioned
that he seemed to come from outer space.
It was all quite
>exciting.
So,
David, maybe you are from Mars, after all, Well, I won't go back
there
now that I think about it.
;-)
--
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