"It is a disgrace that" you
have to be so vitriolic in your attack
on the
idea of not including "Jack's daughter, Jan Kerouac, dead slightly
more
than a year" ... "in this mass."
"This
is such an overt act of hatred for a" situation that I suspect you
aren't
that close to - although you were clearly very close to Jan. Why not
try to
be "compassionate, generous" and understanding to those who are
celebrating
this mass. Following your argument, one could easily ask why
Nin,
Leo, Gerard and a host of others are not being similarly memorialized.
Why not
Bill Burroughs since he was far closer to Jack and far more
important
to him than Jan - or Stella for that matter!
Jan was
a "talented writer/daughter" who unfortunately was never able to
forge a
relationship with her father, but she has many friends and defenders
outside
the Sampas - Kerouac circle, and there shouldn't be any need to
force
Jack's error down the throats of the Lowell /Sampas group.
I -
like you - probaly think it would be a nice closure to have Jan also
remembered
in the way you suggest - but to force it grudgingly would not
honor
Jan's memory.
"I
can only hope that beats, be they students, scholars, readers, or
wannabees
with heart, brains and gonads, will see that" this vain attempt to
form a
union that never existed in life "ends--someday."
A lot
depends on your perspective Jo, and mine has nothing to do with anyone
in
Lowell or anyone named Sampas. Far
better that we find our own ways to
honor
Jan.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
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well,
friends, must sign-off to make my trip to the Fringe & International
Arts
Festivals and a poetry class at the Univ of Edinburgh. will be back on
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hopefully,
the damned unsubscribe thing will work.
enjoy
the rest of the summer and keep it beat.
ciao,
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Damn
shame about you having to go to Edinburgh.
I will pray that you
are
delivered from this doom.
Sherri
wrote:
>
well, friends, must sign-off to make my trip to the Fringe &
>
International
>
Arts Festivals and a poetry class at the Univ of Edinburgh. will be
>
back on
>
9/1.
>
>
hopefully, the damned unsubscribe thing will work.
>
>
enjoy the rest of the summer and keep it beat.
>
>
ciao, sherri
--
Peace,
Bentz
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There
is the potential for this message to go non-beat.
I'm
discovering a spiritual apetite that was once squelched by
overbearing
guardians with questionable intentions...
I'm now
ready to re-investigate this side of experience and was wondering
if any
listers would point me in the direction of beat or non-beat
spiritual
script... My definition of "spirituality" is
limitless...perhaps
you would be willing to share what you have found
meaningful...
I'd
appreciate starting my search with some input from the list.
Thanks...
feel
free to backchannel if this isn't Listworthy... although I would
enjoy
seeing a beat spirituality thread start on this list....
-shannon
(in Tucson, where the heat has somehow prompted my search for
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Shannon
writ:
<<
>feel
free to backchannel if this isn't Listworthy... although I would
>enjoy
seeing a beat spirituality thread start on this list....
>>
>
Well,
in my mind, application of spirituality is always a good issue.
Was
impressed, and am impressed more and more, by the example set by
poet,
singer, artist Patti Smith. She's holy,
holy and still retains
her
personal space. that and she
continually pays tribute to friends
and
family that have passed away. She
doesn't shy away from hecklers,
politics,
or even uninhibited love of the Dali Lama.
She is mercury
with a
lizard gaze. Truly, she transcends,
transcends.
Surely
this is a beat quote unquote trait?
My
"advice" would be to start reading more biographies. Pick someone
you
like. and if they aren't famous, don't
have anything written about
them,
well.... you'll just have to listen.
yep, listen.
Douglas :-)
PS: and people keep mentioning archives for this
list, but I haven't
found
em yet. There have been many posts that
aided and abetted my own
>spiritual
search. Maybe you too can find some
solace in them.
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Subject:
burroughs' letter to kerouac on buddhism
Derek B
Monypeny <dbm@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
>
>
> scene: burroughs is in morocco. the
> accidental shooting death of jane burroughs
> has already occurred. burroughs is in the
> process of writing what would become
"naked
> lunch" and pining for allen ginsberg.
he is
> replying to a letter from kerouac which
> stated, among other things, that kerouac
> had devoted himself to the study of
> buddhism and had renounced sex for good.
>
> ...I can't help but feeling that you are
> going too far with your absolute chastity.
> Besides, masturbation is NOT chastity, it
> is just a way of sidestepping the issue
> without even approaching the solution.
> Remember, Jack, I studied and practiced
> Buddhism (in my usual sloppy way to be
> sure). The conclusion I arrived at, and I
> make no claims to speak from a state of
> enlightenment, but merely to have attempted
> the journey, as always with inadequate
> equipment and knowledge (like one of my
> South American expeditions), falling into
> every possible accident and error, losing
> my gear and my way, chilled to the
> blood-making marrow with final despair of
> aloneness: What am I doing here a broken
> eccentric? A Bowery Evangelist, reading
> books on Theosophy in the public library
> (an old tin trunk full of notes in my cold
> water East Side flat), imagining myself a
> Secret World Controller in Telepathic
> Contact with Tibetan Adepts... Could I ever
> SEE the merciless, cold FACTS on some Winter
> night, sitting in the operation room white
> glare of a cefeteria - NO SMOKING PLEASE -
> see the facts AND MYSELF, an old man with
> the wasted years behind, and what ahead
> having seen the Facts? A trunk full of
> notes to dump in a Henry St. lot?... So my
> conclusion was that Buddhism is only for
> the West to STUDY as HISTORY, that is it is
> a subject for UNDERSTANDING, and Yoga can
> profitably be practiced to that end. But it
> is not, for the West, An ANSWER, not a
> SOLUTION. We must learn by acting,
> experiencing, and living; that is, above
> all, by LOVE and by SUFFERING. A man who
> uses Buddhism or any other instrument to
> remove love from his being in order to
> avoid, has committed, in my mind, a
> sacrilege comparable to castration. You
> were given the power to love in order to
> use it, no matter what pain it may cause
> you. Buddhism frequently amounts to a form
> of psychic junk... Because if there is one
> thing I feel sure of its this: That human
> life has DIRECTION. Even if we accept some
> Spenglerian Cycle routine, the cycle never
> comes back to exactly the same place, nor
> does it ever exactly repeat itself... When
> the potentials of any species are
> exhausted, the species becomes static (like
> all animals, reptiles and other so-called
> lower forms of life). What distinguished
> Man from all other species is that he
> CANNOT BECOME STATIC. "Er muss streben
oder
> untergehen" (quotation is from myself
in
> character of German Philosopher)-"He
must
> continue to develop or perish."... What
I
> mean is the California Buddhists are trying
> to sit on the sidelines and there ARE no
> sidelines. Whether you like it or not, you
> are committed to the human endeavor. I can
> not ally myself with such a purely negative
> goal as avoidance of suffering. Suffering is
> a chance you have to take by the fact of
> being alive. I repeat, BUDDHISM IS NOT FOR
> THE WEST. We must evolve our own
> solutions... I am having serious
> difficulties with my novel. I tell you the
> novel form is completely inadequate to
> express what I have to say. I don't know if
> I can find a form. I am very gloomy as to
> prospects of publication. And I'm not like
> you, Jack. I need an audience. Of course, a
> small audience. But still I need publication
> for development. A writer can be ruined by
> too much or too little success...
>
>
>
> From "Letters of William S. Burroughs
> 1945-1959." Edited with an introduction by
> Oliver Harris. Viking, 1993.
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hello
all friends,
William
of Occam, of course...
&
THE NAME OF THE ROSE
"stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina luda
tenemu"
"the
ancient rose is necessarily connected to her name,
we have got things without their
name"
&
the medieval prior set the books on
fire,
saluti,
Rinaldo.
*
BTW, i
found a Ferlighetti's poem:
Walking
through the University of Bologna
the oldest university in the
world...
The
usual protests by the usual students
stoning the administration
for Giordano Bruno
or Garibaldi
or Pasolini
or
Lotta Continua
The
usual statues under the arcades
or under the trees
Great yellow leaves
falling on
them
And the
gardens full of
stone philosophers
oblivious
above it all
having survived their own
dying fall
As I
release a singing bird
from
under my hat
And
join the rearest demonstration
against
virtual reality
led by
Umberto Eco I suppose
or a
wit that looks like him
waving a rose
--Lawrence
Ferlighetti, "Italian Scenes"
*
--------
At
11.06 14/08/97 -0400,
Antoine
Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET> wrote:
>This
has often been referred to as "Occam's razor", the desire to shave
away
>any
excess conditions in an hypothesis or theory. Occam (Henry of ...?) as I
>recall
was a contemporary of the monk-philosopher Francis Bacon, the central
>figure
in "The Name of the Rose".
>
> Antoine
>
> ***************
>
>>>Rinaldo,
you are such a tease. Somebody please
translate?
>>>
>>>Douglas
>>
>>>> ENTIA NON SUNT MULTIPLICANDA
>>>> PRAETER NECESSITATEM...
>>>>
>>
>>please,
excuse me, the translation is
>>
>> "IT IS VAIN TO DO WITH MORE
>> WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH FEWER"
>>
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
>
>
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Burroughs.
am
beginning to gear up my search for his work.
Have been trying to lay
some
groundwork for his arrival. All the
posts on this list regarding
his
"western lands" and "letter to JK" have been
wonderful. absolutely
wonderful. It's very unfortunate, therefore, that my
local bookstore
doesn't
carry these two items. :-(
So.......,
in the meantime......., I've been trying to build an
impression,
the connotations, the questions I would bring to these works
---->
Here's a snippet from Isidore Ducasse, Comte de Lautreamont that
sparked
a few connections:
"Go
on, keep marching straight ahead. I
condemn you to become a
wanderer. I condemn you to remain alone, without a
family. Keep
walking,
until your legs refuse to carry you any further. Cross the
desert
sands until the ending doom and the stars are swallowed up in
nothingness. When you pass by the tiger's lair, he will
run headlong
away,
to keep from seeing, as in a mirror, his nature raised up on the
pedastal
of ideal perversity."
(Les
Chants de Maldoror, 1868)
[from
_Surrealists & Surrealism_, p21]
=-=-=--=-=-=
and
then mixed in, all these stories about tapes being played in cars
returning
from the WSB memorial. I wonder about
the road kill, the
smelly
remains of animals trying to cross the road.
Horrible sight, I
know. Silly, inhumane to even mention it. Too obsess over it, the
headlights
faint glance, the possible swerve, and the possible, minute
bump in
the road. Perversity? Alone, without family? Desert sands?
Running
away, mirrors, and pedastals of the ideal.
Ompholos.
and
Carolyn Cassidy's comments about fools only learning from
themselves. ??? This is empirical knowledge, yes? "Doctor, heal they
self"
and all that. And being able to plumb
your own depths/deaths,
well,
who wants to advocate that? But how
about being unable to face
yourself,
being unable to avoid others who have made similar "perverted"
paths? I think being able to map out, within
personal experience, via
biography
or wisdom, that is a a a. that is
enough, I figure. Chit
chat
might have been useless, I don't know.
<<probably>> But
work, am
definately
thinking about that. and Death, death,
death does work.
sorry
for the meandering, the philosophical babbling. [[and then
there's
the WSB quote about death laying the seed for life...
Douglas
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Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
>
Burroughs.
>
> am
beginning to gear up my search for his work.
Have been trying to lay
>
some groundwork for his arrival. All
the posts on this list regarding
>
his "western lands" and "letter to JK" have been
wonderful. absolutely
>
wonderful. It's very unfortunate,
therefore, that my local bookstore
>
doesn't carry these two items. :-(
>
>
So......., in the meantime......., I've been trying to build an
>
impression, the connotations, the questions I would bring to these works
> ---->
Here's a snippet from Isidore Ducasse, Comte de Lautreamont that
>
sparked a few connections:
>
>
"Go on, keep marching straight ahead.
I condemn you to become a
>
wanderer. I condemn you to remain
alone, without a family. Keep
>
walking, until your legs refuse to carry you any further. Cross the
>
desert sands until the ending doom and the stars are swallowed up in
>
nothingness. When you pass by the
tiger's lair, he will run headlong
>
away, to keep from seeing, as in a mirror, his nature raised up on the
>
pedastal of ideal perversity."
>
>
(Les Chants de Maldoror, 1868)
> [from
_Surrealists & Surrealism_, p21]
>
>
=-=-=--=-=-=
>
>
and then mixed in, all these stories about tapes being played in cars
>
returning from the WSB memorial. I
wonder about the road kill, the
>
smelly remains of animals trying to cross the road. Horrible sight, I
>
know. Silly, inhumane to even mention
it. Too obsess over it, the
>
headlights faint glance, the possible swerve, and the possible, minute
>
bump in the road. Perversity? Alone, without family? Desert sands?
>
Running away, mirrors, and pedastals of the ideal. Ompholos.
>
>
and Carolyn Cassidy's comments about fools only learning from
>
themselves. ??? This is empirical
knowledge, yes? "Doctor, heal they
>
self" and all that. And being able
to plumb your own depths/deaths,
>
well, who wants to advocate that? But
how about being unable to face
>
yourself, being unable to avoid others who have made similar
"perverted"
>
paths? I think being able to map out,
within personal experience, via
>
biography or wisdom, that is a a a.
that is enough, I figure. Chit
>
chat might have been useless, I don't know.
<<probably>> But
work, am
>
definately thinking about that. and
Death, death, death does work.
>
>
sorry for the meandering, the philosophical babbling. [[and then
>
there's the WSB quote about death laying the seed for life...
>
>
Douglas
penguin
paperback edition $12.95 us
isbn#0-14-009456-3
just to
ease everybody's traumatized thoughts out there - rest assured
there
were no roadkills from my legacy west from lawrence. not even a
bug
splotch. but several birds successfully
relieved themselves on my
little
white automobile.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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THIS IS
NOT THE LAST
This is
not the last
that's
punished by language.
A new
wooden house
is
knocked down by a tree.
The
prisoner
makes traps
around himself.
If he's
let out alive
he'll
take the crimes with him.
He has
no other shortcut.
A knife
between life and death.
Light
is cut open
and
bent by the lonely sky.
The
world is as painful as fate.
Words
are shackles.
Once
he's learned how to confess,
no one
can ever defend him.
Translated
by Wang Ping and Lewis Warsh
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>Subject: spiritual glimpse (personal request)
>Sent: 8/14/97 11:58 AM
>Received: 8/14/97 12:07 PM
>From: Shannon L. Stephens,
shanstep@CS.ARIZONA.EDU
>Reply-To: BEAT-L: Beat Generation List, BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>There
is the potential for this message to go non-beat.
>I'm
discovering a spiritual apetite that was once squelched by
>overbearing
guardians with questionable intentions...
>
>I'm
now ready to re-investigate this side of experience and was wondering
>if
any listers would point me in the direction of beat or non-beat
>spiritual
script... My definition of "spirituality" is
>limitless...perhaps
you would be willing to share what you have found
>meaningful...
>
>I'd
appreciate starting my search with some input from the list.
>
>Thanks...
>feel
free to backchannel if this isn't Listworthy... although I would
>enjoy
seeing a beat spirituality thread start on this list....
>
>-shannon
(in Tucson, where the heat has somehow prompted my search for
>god...)
You
might want to think twice about searching for god ...
"...
the very nature and essence of every religious system is the
impoverishment,
enslavement, and
annihilation
of humanity for the benefit of divinity.
"God
being everything, the real world and man are nothing. God being
truth,
justice, goodness, beauty,
power,
and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence,
and
death. God being master, man is
the
slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his
own
effort, he can attain them only
through
a divine revelation. But whoever says revelation says revealers,
messiahs,
prophets, priests, and
legislators
inspired by God himself; and these, once recognized as the
representatives
of divinity on earth,
as the
holy instructors of humanity, chosen by God himself to direct it
in the
path of salvation, necessarily
exercise
absolute power."
--Michael
Bakunin, God and State
complete text at
http://www.pitzer.edu/~dward/Anarchist_Archives/bakunin/godandstate/godands
tate_ch1.html
Granted,
this a pretty hard line view, but upon careful study, it makes
sense.
Although
you may get a lot of advice from the list, you will ultimately
find
the answers within yourself. Douglas offered some very good advice
about
reading more biographies. Take a close look at the people you
respect
... what do they value and why? I have recently been working on a
WSB
memorial diptych and it has really given me perspective on who I am.
Creativity,
brilliance, nerve, individuality ... these are the things I
value
and admire, and they are the paths on which I travel.
Connie
Urgena
connieu@computize.com
Web
Development, Computize, Inc.
1030
Wirt Road * Suite 400 * Houston TX 77055
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Subject: Double posts
Bill:
I tried
doing this by backchanneling to you directly but the post came back.
We are
suddenly get all messages in duplicate.
What can be done? Do we
suddenly
have two subscriptions? Please help. There is enough mail without
getting
two of everything.
Thanks
Pam
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Connie Urgena wrote:
>
>
You might want to think twice about searching for god ...
>
>
"... the very nature and essence of every religious system is the
>
impoverishment, enslavement, and
>
annihilation of humanity for the benefit of divinity.
>
>
"God being everything, the real world and man are nothing. God being
>
truth, justice, goodness, beauty,
>
power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence,
>
and death. God being master, man is
>
the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his
>
own effort, he can attain them only
> through
a divine revelation. But whoever says revelation says
>
revealers,
>
messiahs, prophets, priests, and
>
legislators inspired by God himself; and these, once recognized as the
>
representatives of divinity on earth,
> as
the holy instructors of humanity, chosen by God himself to direct it
> in
the path of salvation, necessarily
>
exercise absolute power."
>
>
--Michael Bakunin, God and State
> complete text at
>
http://www.pitzer.edu/~dward/Anarchist_Archives/bakunin/godandstate/godan> ds
>
tate_ch1.html
>
>
Granted, this a pretty hard line view, but upon careful study, it makes
>
sense.
It
makes sense only if your view of God is limited to that of religious
doctrine.
I think that all the big three beat writers believed in God,
though
not the God of the Bible, although Kerouac certainly carried
around
guilt from early Catholicism. Most of
his writing is, in fact, a
spiritual
quest. I think that if you follow the
spiritual theme in beat
literature,
you are more likely to find a definition of God as an eternal
oneness
in all things, even in man. In
Burroughs even God was more seen
as an
originator of things, even if the pre-record universe needed
shaking
up a bit. Ginsberg would probably say that if God is truth,
justice,
goodness, beauty, and life, then God is in you and in all
things,
hence his thought that everything is holy. The text you quoted
seems
to put man in the Christian context of needing salvation, of God as
an
absolute power. Maybe God means more an
absolute freedom, Burroughs'
universe
without order, the ability to see eternity in all things here
and
now. Others can disagree but I think
the beats tended to look within
for
spiritual glimpses as opposed to looking outward to a church-based
definition.
DC
DC
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so now -
- you're
back.
gotta
get off sherri
clean
the disaster
have to
pack and pad
the
baby line
it
isn't a ciao ,
when i
get most...
rofl
Douglas
>----------
>From: Sherri[SMTP:love_singing@msn.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 1997 4:57 PM
>To: Penn, Douglas, K
>Subject: RE: Sign-off
>
>rofl
Douglas - you're the most... gotta get offline now - have to pack and
>clean
the pad so it isn't a disaster when i get back.
>
>ciao
baby,
>sherri
>
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From: Sherri <love_singing@MSN.COM>
Subject: Bye Bye
Comments:
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Stuart Crosby
<BRAVES10@msn.com>, Ron Vassel <BlizzardKing@msn.com>,
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<CENTERLINEDESIGN@msn.com>,
Cari Who ELSE????
<CittiGirl@msn.com>,
CURTIS SHIPE
<DONDIMARIAN@msn.com>, db <Dee-Bee@msn.com>,
Don G <FarmCityboy@msn.com>,
Homebrook <Homebrook@msn.com>,
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<JTinlng@msn.com>, Kevin Mathers <KEVMATH@msn.com>,
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the little people
<MarmaladeSkies@msn.com>,
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B <PBRUEGEL@msn.com>,
Ask and I might tell you
<Peaceful-Warrior2@msn.com>,
R <ROcean@msn.com>, Blair
<Reepoo@msn.com>,
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Sharon <SopAndBass@msn.com>,
Tom Gummo <TGUMMO@msn.com>,
tim/reba <the_saluki_experience@msn.com>,
Life is a sick joke and I'm the
punchline <The_Boogey_Man@msn.com>,
rico <UNIR1@msn.com>, Mark
<Vox_Amicus@msn.com>,
"e.e. cummings"
<What-is_death@msn.com>,
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<_AngelBaby@msn.com>, Michael <_Prometheus1@msn.com>,
S Johnson <doc11@msn.com>,
Drew Eskenazi <drewesk@msn.com>,
Robert Lear
<king_lear1@msn.com>, x <king_lear1@msn.com>,
PAUL KOLJESKI
<koljeski@msn.com>,
Silver Surfer
<mad-chatter@msn.com>, david simoni <oak123@msn.com>,
Kash Philips
<philkash@msn.com>, Rico Mariani <ricom_ms@msn.com>,
Robert Eback
<rleback@msn.com>, Stephen Baldwin <sabaldwin@msn.com>,
anniepoo <annh@ccrtc.com>,
Doug Penn <dkpenn@oees.com>,
BigDaddyRico
<Engelsguy@aol.com>, Joe Locey <JoePlaceb0@aol.com>,
Don Green <NYCDBG@aol.com>,
"S. Coart Johnson"
<scoart@mindspring.com>, cj <sjohn111@aol.com>,
CVEditions@aol.com, Kent Smedley
<Kent.Smedley@clorox.com>,
Arthur Nusbaum
<SSASN@aol.com>,
THEBODYIS1@aol.com, runner711
<babu@electriciti.com>,
"R. Bentz Kirby"
<bocelts@scsn.net>,
Marie Countryman
<country@SOVER.NET>,
Diane Carter
<dcarter@together.net>, jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>,
Patricia Elliott
<pelliott@sunflower.com>,
RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>,
James Stauffer <stauffer@pacbell.net>
well,
all you darlings, i'm off on my dream trip of a lifetime. off to
Scotland
and England for 2 weeks... those of you
for whom i have addresses, i
will
try to send postcards, but please forgive me if i miss you, i've tried to
make
sure they're in my address book - but as usual, i'm way short of time...
anyway,
hope you all spend these last two weeks of the glorious summer
thoroughly
enjoying yourselves and i'll see you online in a couple of weeks.
Diane -
please continue to send me the "Ulysses" posts. i'm taking it with me
to
read, so should keep up with the group...
i'll have access to the internet
in some
form at least during the major portion of my trip and if i'm inclined
and
have any interesting thoughts will post while on the road.
ready
to take the high road...
hugs
& kisses to you all,
sherri
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10th
Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival 2-5 October 1997
Lowell,
MA Jack Kerouac Celebrates Lowell
THURSDAY
2 OCTOBER
Barbara
Concannon-Crete Memorial Poetry Prize- High School Poetry
9:00AM-11:00AM
Lowell
High School Poetry Competition for High School Students-
for
Information call 508-452-7966
Downtown
Kerouac Places- Walking Tour
4:30-6:00
PM
Roger
Brunelle leads a walking tour of
Kerouac's downtown. Begins
at
Middlesex Community College, ends at the Pollard Memorial
Library.
Images
of Kerouac '97- Reception and
Photography Exhibition
6:00PM-
8:00PM
Whistler
House Museum of Art, 243 Worthen Street
Open exhibition
of
photography inspired by Jack Kerouac or the Beats. Entries
welcome.
Deadline 12 September. Co-sponsored by the Whistler House
Museum
of Art, 508-452-7641.
Jack
Kerouac Literary Prize Award
7:00PM
Whistler
House Museum of Art, 243 Worthen Street Presentation of
the 9th
Annual Jack Kerouac Literary Prize. The prize is sponsored
by The
Estate of Jack and Stella Kerouac, Lowell Celebrates
Kerouac!,
Inc. and Middlesex Community College.
Dr Sax
Nights- Walking Tours
8:00PM-10:00PM
Roger
Brunelle leads a walking tour of Kerouac's Pawtucketville.
Tour
begins at MacDonald's Mammoth Rd, ends at
the Spaulding
House, Pawtucket Blvd. for discussion. Rain or
shine.
Friends
and Music
10:00PM-12:00PM
Greek
Band, Greek food and Lowell Poets. The Athenian Corner
Restaurant,
207 Market Street.
FRIDAY
3 OCTOBER
3rd
Annual Beat Literature Symposium
8:00AM-5:00PM
O'Leary
Library, Room 222, South Campus, UMASS-Lowell 9:00AM-12:00
Noon -
Presentation of Papers 2:00PM - Keynote Presentation by Ann
Douglas,
Columbia University 3:00PM-5:00 - Panel discussions
Leading
scholars present original research on beat authors,
writing
techniques and cultural phenomena. No charge.
For
information
and pre-registration, call 508-934-2446. Sponsored by
the
English Department and the Department of Continuing Education,
UMASS-Lowell.
Mystic
Jack- Walking Tour
5:00PM-6:00PM
Begins
and ends at St. Louis Church, Centralville. Tour by Roger
Brunelle.
Memorial
Mass for Jack and Stella Kerouac
6:00PM-7:00PM
St.
Louis de France Church, Centralville
Listen
to the Beat- Readings
8:00PM-10:00PM
The
Parkway Cafe, 350 Market Street Poets
Vincent Ferrini,
Patricia
Smith, Michael Brown, Lawrence Carradini, and Meg Smith.
Singer
song-writer, Bob Martin present and
evening of performance
poetry
and music. Suggested donation $3.00.
Friends
Music and Lowell Poets
10:00PM-12:00PM
Park
Way Cafe
SATURDAY
4 OCTOBER
Nashua
- Bus Tour
RESERVATIONS
REQUIRED
9:00AM-1:00PM
9:00AM-
Depart from Lowell Barnes and Noble. Reservations can be
made in
person, or call 508-458-3939. 9:30AM-
Depart Nashua, NH
Barnes
and Noble. NH. For reservations, call Laura Eanes at
603-897-0777. A bus tour of Kerouac places in Nashua, NH.
Small
Press Book Fair
10:00AM-4:00PM
Memorial
Hall, Pollard Library A sampling of local presses and
Kerouac
material. Co-sponsored by the Pollard Memorial Library and
Friends
of the Library.
Commemorative
at the Commemorative- Honoring Jack Kerouac and
Allen
Ginsberg 11:00AM-12:00Noon The Kerouac Commemorative, Bridge
and
French Streets
Strictly
Kerouac- Dance
12:30-1:00
PM
The
Courtyard at the Market Street Visitor's Center, Lowell
National
Historical Park Jan Zwadney and a Feast of Friends
interprets
Kerouac in dance, music and word.
Allen
Ginsberg and Friends: A Photographic Remembrance
1:00PM-
3:00PM Brush Art Gallery, Market Street Visitors Center
Photographs
by Gordon Ball, Elsa Dorfman, Gerard Malanga and Fred
McDarrah.
Exhibition open from September 25 - November 16th.
Gallery
Talk- Gordon Ball
1:30PM
Brush Art Gallery, Market Street Visitor Center
Photographer
and Ginsberg editor, Gordon Ball talks about
photographing
Allen Ginsberg.
Poetry
at the Rainbow Cafe 4:00PM-6:00PM Rainbow Cafe, Cabot
Street
Anne
Waldman and Friends- A Tribute to Allen Ginsberg
8:00PM-10:00PM
Smith Baker Auditorium, Merrimack Street-
Admission-
$7.00 Anne Waldman, renowned poet, performer, and
editor
leads a tribute to the Dharma Lion. James Cameron on
saxophone.
Music
Friends and Lowell Poets 10:00PM -12:00 PM The Downstairs
Cafe,
Merrimack Street
SUNDAY
5 OCTOBER The Jack Kerouac Tour- Bus Tour 9:30AM-11:30AM
RESERVATIONS
REQUIRED Departs from Middlesex
Community College,
Merrimack
Street Bus tour of Kerouac's Lowell. Call 508-452-7966
for
reservations. Please give name, phone number and number of
places
reserved. Words and Music- Open Mic
1:00PM-3:00PM
The Coffee Mill, Palmer Street.
Lowell
Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc. is a non-profit corporation
dedicated
to the celebration, enjoyment and study of Jack Kerouac
and his
writings. Whenever possible, events are free, however,
donations
are gratefully accepted for continued support of the
annual
Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival.. To make a donation,
or to
find out more about Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc., write:
P.O.
Box 1111, Lowell, MA 01853.
Before
he died at age 47, Jack Kerouac published 24 books
chronicling
the lives and adventures of the post war generation in
America.
The raw energy and beauty of his prose established a new
standard
in American literature. Jack Kerouac was born, raised and
remained
a native of Lowell throughout his life. 5 of his novels
take
place in Lowell, and the city is mentioned in virtually every
one of
his books. His descriptions of Lowell are remarkable for
their
beauty, power and timelessness. Through them, millions of
readers
have come to know Lowell as a universal hometown.
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More
from G. Houghton
regarding
WSB
anybody
out there feel like doing a little typin/scannin??
Douglas
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To:
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From:
houghtong@globalnet.co.uk (Gerald Houghton)
Subject:
The sword-stick of truth and justice...
'New
Musical Express' ran a double-page obit for WSB yesterday,
concentrating
in particular on his connections with music. And a very fine
piece
it was, not least because it made the point about him being funny that
so many
have missed. It was topped out by a surprisingly good interview with
Bono of
U2 about meeting/working with the man.
Nice
pictures too.
And
Tower Records book dept in London ran an ad in 'Time Out' magazine
saying
farewell to the man. Didn't even say "come and buy all his books
posthumously"
either. Wonders never cease.
This
Saturday night (16th), BBC2 television in the UK are repeating their 90
minute
'Arena' special about WSB as a tribute.
Gerald
Houghton
e-mail:
houghtong@globalnet.co.uk
The
Edge magazine homepage:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~houghtong/edge1.htm
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At 4:12
PM -0700 8/14/97, Judith Campbell wrote:
>
http://www.creativeloafing.com/newsstand/current/v_bill.htm
this
WSB synopsis is a real send up. Slams
Burroughs for just about
everything
except for humor and a good reading voice.
Oh, and Naked Lunch.
Author
liked that one, the rest are shit apparently.
Will gladly post or
forward
as needed.
Douglas
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: PLEASE MR. JOHNSON
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Gots to
get some nice mail to you i worked on today. still on trip. dance
till
2-4 in the a.m to Luthur Allison, Elmore James and Big Joe Turner. Over
and
over again baby, that old and backporch slide once in a while a good
blues
sob with 'em good then put on my old
lps to send messages. Chet Baker
singing
old junk gone saddle oxfords and 48 ford conv. juck seater girl
heartbreack
and now its more heart to break. and
put on James Carr's "At the
Dark
End of the Street" and some funk great earl hooker. even some george
jones
oldies. that's really booze bawlin'
But
every night. I wear those cd's out..can't stop...plus my baby's gone. the
one who
drove me to Kansas and my other, Sherri, has hopped that plane and
gone.
Please
Mr. Johnson....don't play the blues soo sad.
Spark
the spirit
luv
cp
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Subject: Re: Lowell Kerouac organizers
I have
ended this kind of crap! It went out with greasy funded french fries.
Who
wants to see Kerouac's Lowell in that kind of crowd, anyway?
C.
Plymell
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Well,
Charles, a wise sage named Jimi Hendrix once said:
"loneliness
is such a drag"
"Well
the morining is dead,
And the
day is too"
but i
say,
when
you wake up in the moring,
and
there ain't nothing you can do,
you
know you got
dem
Robert Johnson, dead shrimps, no ride, pass me by, on the riverside,
lien on
my body, mortgage on my soul, hellhound on my trail, hot tamale,
chocolate
malt, rosedale, no body seemed to know me, beatl blues!!!
Our
thoughts and/or prayers are with you beatl blues buddy Richard.
Wish I
could be there for that bag pipe jam.
Not to mention the old
band
shell. Should I bring my SG, or the
Yamaha acoustic?
Peace
to WSB, peace to Luther, and peace to all of us.
Think
maybe Neal and Jack are diggin on Jimi, Luther and Train wailing
throughout
the universe. I figure Bill is just
taking it all in. I
guess
they might let Miles sit in, eh?
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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From: Leon Tabory
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Subject: The Suedeutsche Zeitung obit in English,
close, not perfect tran
From: Self <Leon>
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sent: Fri, 15 Aug 1997
02:15:15
What a hatchet job! Note the title "Bill the Ripper". Her
Winkler
says
that Burroughs was a crazy man, or maybe
just an
american. Here comes another pseudo
translation. Glad
to
oblige Fred. Receiving thanks from Bill Gargan alone made it
worth
doing. I am serious, Bill.
BTW
some of you Beat Heads will be interested that the Cassady
home on
Bancroft in Los Gatos, ( I also lived
there with them
in 62
and 63), the house that Neil bought
with the Railroad
accident
money, was demolished today. Unfortunately John learned
about
it only yesterday. It might have been another wake
occasion
for us around here. Here is the Sueddeutsche Zeitung:
Bill
The Ripper
At the
death of America's prop holyman (?)
William
S. Burroughs
Dear
children, please do not imitate! According to eyewitness
reports
it was only a party game. But while in the bowl proved
to be
peyote and marijuana, Burroughs planted an apple upon the
head of
his wife, played William Tell and shot. The appel
survived
the play but Joan Vollmer was dead on the spot. Halfway
sensible
people would now leave alone the fixing and the kief
and
never again touch a weapon, but William Burroughs blew
himself
up (?) further, what could be gotten with psychedelics.
In the
introduction to Naked lunch (1959) he spoke of an
addiction
that lasted 45 years; whoever visited him in the last
years
had to first of all shoot tin cans. The man was plain to
see
crazy.
Or
American. Here he stood in 1990 on the stage of the Thalia
theater
in Hamburg near Robert Wilson and Lou Reed, desperate in
his
bookkeeper suit, a shrieveled
grandfather, wrinkled and
scraggy
to the smallest knuckle, no longer from this world, but
paced
in his bodily shape (?), a funny pillar (?) of the
avantgarde,
who had survived everything. His
Musical Black
Rider
was performed, a free defense (?) story - and again a
deadly
bullet from love.
William
Seward Burroughs, born 1914 in St. Louis as a son of
manufacturers,
was really born for better things. Like his
landsman
T. S. Elliot a quarter century before he went to
Harvard
to study, then to Europe, but during that time he turned
around
and made his enmity with the nightmare
America. He
presented
himself one nice day to the FBI and wanted to become a
secret
agent. They sensibly turned him away. In response
(substitution)
he became addicted to drugs and lived alone in
permanent
fear of the police. One like Burroughs was born for
the
great American Paranoia.
With
the obstinance of his ancestors - these money earners and
strict
moralist pillars of the community -, with the same
obstinacy
Burroughs sought out every mania of this earthy (?)
world ,
lounged around in Tangiers, where he didn't tolerate the
sun,
wrote even though he didn't know how and from what he would
make a
living, he wrote in an intoxicated fit, like a maniac.
They
are pretty hard to read, his books, cut up, he broke up his
texts
into pieces until they were totally incomprehensible.
Repeatedly
gathered anew and scattered again right
away. But
did so
much insanity need any method
altogether? It should be
"pure
meat", wrote to him his friend Alen Ginsberg in the book
"without
symbolic sause". Woe to anyone who sees symbols in his
thousand-feeted,
half animals and three quarter monsters!
Everything
flesh from America's flesh, the plain truth, as
Burroughs
saw it in madness. "I am", he assures, " I am only a
recording
tool."
Roland
Barthes harped extensively over the zero point (freezing
point?),
where literature in 1960 ostensibly
found itself, but
Burroughs
didn't just describe that point, instead he pricked it
all the
time, undertook constantly new experiments, he tore up
himself
and his texts. The writer in his best quality as
slasher,
withdrawal (drug addiction) treatments were then
necessary,
one time by Dr. Wilhelm Reich, then by L. Ron
Hubbard,
but neither the orgon machine nor the scientology
helped.
And so he found himself after two wifes and one son
back at
the pleasures of youth, to the memory of the first
stolen
grips in strangers' undewrwear. Against so much life
the
work does not hold up, for the one reason alone, because
after
the early books it became method. But from Velvet
Underground
because of Patti Smith until Kurt Cobain they
followed
him - and wasn't he holy (a saint?)
In New
York he entrenched himself in his small room in the
Bowery,
four-fold bolted to protect himself from the tramps and
junkies
outside, who could possibly overpower the old infirm
man,
while he inside surrounded by swords, revolvers and porno
notebooks,
painted how it was, to be overtaken by these wild
fellows.
In the
end he returned to the middle west, to his xenophobes,to
the god
fearing fellow citizens, fanatic like them and no less
paranoid.
They knew precisely that the communists (alternatively
the
jews, the catholics) poisoned the drinking water, or that
the CIA
bred the aids virus in order to mess up all of humanity.
Burroughs
collected all these stories and weighed them in his
heart.
Then he shot again at his tin cans.
But
please, dear children, not to immitate at home! Saturday
the
good american William S. Burroughs, in Lawrence (Kansas),
at the age of 83 years, died.
Willi
Winkler
leon
Leon Tabory
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R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
>
Well, Charles, a wise sage named Jimi Hendrix once said:
>
>
"loneliness is such a drag"
>
>
"Well the morining is dead,
>
And the day is too"
>
>
but i say,
>
>
when you wake up in the moring,
>
and there ain't nothing you can do,
>
you know you got
>
dem Robert Johnson, dead shrimps, no ride, pass me by, on the riverside,
>
lien on my body, mortgage on my soul, hellhound on my trail, hot tamale,
>
chocolate malt, rosedale, no body seemed to know me, beatl blues!!!
>
>
Our thoughts and/or prayers are with you beatl blues buddy Richard.
>
Wish I could be there for that bag pipe jam.
Not to mention the old
>
band shell. Should I bring my SG, or
the Yamaha acoustic?
>
>
Peace to WSB, peace to Luther, and peace to all of us.
>
>
Think maybe Neal and Jack are diggin on Jimi, Luther and Train wailing
>
throughout the universe. I figure Bill
is just taking it all in. I
>
guess they might let Miles sit in, eh?
> --
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
lets
not forget the "i followed her to the station with suitcase in my
hand -
love in vain" blues . . .
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Well. .
.back from a trip to the Long Island Vineyards I have finally
finished
the second Kerouac Quarterly and a brand new web page. This page
will
highlight the latest goings-on in the Kerouac world . . .things to look
for in
the future. Book reviews on Some of the Dharma, latest publishing
ventures,
and whatever pops up in the future. If anyone has any news please
let us
know here at the quarterly for all to see. Also, details about our
second
issue. . .50 pp. in all. The Kerouac Quarterly can be visited at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
Thanks,
and bookmark the page! I will try to keep this as updated as possible.
Paul of
TKQ. . .
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it's
always reassuring to know
that if
I want the latest WSB info
I only
need be subscribed to the
patti
smith list
props
to Dan Whitworth for da post
-Douglas
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From:
Dan Whitworth <dan@pint.com>
Date:
Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
WSB journals
The
current New Yorker (Aug. 18 issue) features 2 pages of excerpts from
William
Burrough's journals -- various entries from this spring up to August
1, the
day of his heart attack. (And no, it doesn't suddenly trail off at
the
end...) Plus Mapplethorpe's portrait of WSB in profile, eyes closed,
hands
grasped (from mid or late '80s).
Now we
wait for the inevitable Rolling Stone tribute, I suppose.
Later,
Dan W
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step
aside, and let the man go thru
| { - |
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At 3:43
AM -0700 8/15/97, RACE --- wrote:
> R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, Charles, a wise sage named Jimi Hendrix once said:
>
>
>
> "loneliness is such a drag"
<snip>
>
lets not forget the "i followed her to the station with suitcase in my
>
hand - love in vain" blues . . .
yeah,
and how about the
"waiting
by the telephone, toothpaste in my mouth blues
she
ain't ever gonna call, might as well rinse blues
might
as well shave, might as well shower
come on
momma, give us a call blues
anybody
interested in doing a tape swap??
David?
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
Douglas [[headed to Lala tonight, to see my gal
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ |
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step
aside, and let the man go thru
| { - |
----> let the man go thru
| /\ |
super
bon-bon (soul coughing)
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Heard
an interesting theory about Burroughs death.
Specifically, it has
been
theorized that he lost his will to live, because the great love of
his
life (at least in his mind) was Allen Ginsberg and Allen died a few
months
earlier. And so he lost the will to
live.
If you
ever read Burroughs "Selected Letters", most of it was
correspondence
between Burroughs and Ginsberg, and it is plainly clear
that
Burroughs was obsessed with Ginsberg. Living
in exile in Tangiers
in the
50's, Burroughs was lonely and isolated and fell in love with
Allen
through a long correspondence. He
returned to the states and was
intending
to go live in San Francisco and start a life with Allen, when
Allen
finally made it clear that he was *not* in love him. Apparently,
through
the years, Allen had to deal at various times with Burroughs
obsession
over him.
Anyway
its not inconceivable, given the timing of both men's deaths,that
in some
way, Burroughs was still in love with Allen at the timeof his
death. That he felt such a strong connection with
Allen, that when Allen
died,
there was an emptiness he couldnt deal with and he was finally
ready
to die himself.
Perhaps,
inside that cynical old body, was the heart of a hopeless
romantic
who never stopped longing for the love he could never have.
RJW
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The
Kerouac Quarterly Page has been updated to include details on the sale
of Edie
Kerouac Parker's personal Beat library from her estate.
Have a
ball y'all!!!!
Bookmark
to:
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It's
real romantic but I don't think it's true.
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runner
wrote:
>
> At
3:43 AM -0700 8/15/97, RACE --- wrote:
>
>
> R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Well, Charles, a wise sage named Jimi Hendrix once said:
>
> >
>
> > "loneliness is such a drag"
>
>
<snip>
>
>
> lets not forget the "i followed her to the station with suitcase in
my
>
> hand - love in vain" blues . . .
>
>
yeah, and how about the
>
"waiting by the telephone, toothpaste in my mouth blues
>
she ain't ever gonna call, might as well rinse blues
>
might as well shave, might as well shower
>
come on momma, give us a call blues
>
>
anybody interested in doing a tape swap??
David?
>
>
>
>
> david rhaesa
>
> salina, Kansas
>
>
Douglas [[headed to Lala tonight, to
see my gal
>
>
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/
| 0 |
>
step aside, and let the man go thru
| { - |
> ----> let the man go thru
| /\ |
>
super bon-bon (soul coughing)
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i was
talking another robert johnson song.
tape swaps??? hmm. i don't
have
dual cassette technology.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Bill
Gargan wrote:
>
>
It's real romantic but I don't think it's true.
More
likely that Fletch's death Affected him.
i believe that some
research
suggests more than merely a romantic connection of pets to
health.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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hey
yall
i was
wondering if anyone out there might be able to send me some info on
how to
subscribe to the patti smith list that i read so much about in
these
parts. sounds like something i should check out & if anyone out
there
can help i would really appreciate it. (then again i already receive
enuf
mail to keep me busy, ah well)
yrs
derek
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ha, my
fiendish plan has worked... ;-)
but of
course, I don't have the subscription info here at work
but if
you head over to:
http://www.oceanstar.com/patti/
you
should find all you need to know
(check
under mailing list, I believe)
there's
also a site-specific search engine
and
while I haven't done this yet,
one
should be able to conduct beat-specific
searches,
Douglas
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>From: Derek A.
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>Sent: Friday, August 15, 1997 9:07 AM
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>
>hey
yall
>i
was wondering if anyone out there might be able to send me some info on
>how
to subscribe to the patti smith list that i read so much about in
>these
parts. sounds like something i should check out & if anyone out
>there
can help i would really appreciate it. (then again i already receive
>enuf
mail to keep me busy, ah well)
>yrs
>derek
>
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--- wrote:
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>
More likely that Fletch's death Affected him.
i believe that some
>
research suggests more than merely a romantic connection of pets to
>
health.
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
You
know I thought the same exact thing when I heard Fletch had died a
couple
of weeks before.
DC
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there's
more mystery than we thought
deep
caverns of pets and animals
sucking
silently
oh deep
tendrils, mmm sweet chastity
pent-up
frustrations
harbor
dwells
how
many nights would I have died
without
my loyal pets
<ahem>
by my side?
I know
my grandmother, when granddad died, lost her will to live. "No
more
salt," we'd say. "No more
coffee," we'd say. "Take your
vitamins,
do your
exercises," we'd say. And then
that look in her eyes. She
wanted
to die. Oh, I know that look. A succinct haiku that said fuck
you,
I'm dyin.
We all
cried. Who can say if this happened to
WSB? I know I tried to
say
that I loved her. That I'd be there for
her. She didn't listen.
She
died. Grandma, I miss you...
Douglas
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>
>RACE
--- wrote:
>>
>>
More likely that Fletch's death Affected him.
i believe that some
>>
research suggests more than merely a romantic connection of pets to
>>
health.
>>
>>
david rhaesa
>>
salina, Kansas
>
>You
know I thought the same exact thing when I heard Fletch had died a
>couple
of weeks before.
>DC
>
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My
thanks to all who have taken the time to give me a little info as I
start
an investigation that I hope continues for a very long time.
Many of
you have taken a minute to share things that you have been drawn
to.
That is exactly what I was looking for. Diane's post re: the
spiritual
"motivations" of the beats is primarily why I shared my
question
with the list.
My
search for inhanced spirituality (and isn't it a shame that words do
very
little to elaborate on what that may mean) is not limited to my
finding
a "religion" in which to drown my sense of self. I have already
been
exposed to that and in fact, that type of education in early life
separated
me from any spiritual pursuits thus far.
I don't
like using terms that seem to over define what I'm doing. I have
reached
a point where I want to feel more alive... different levels. I've
had
musical suggestions as well as text. All of things make up the
components
of what I believe to be a full sensual life. Hell, if someone
suggested
a great restaurant I'd give that a thought too. Nobody can
place
someone's hand in the grasp of "god", but people on this list have
a knack
for openness which I believe to be first and foremost the most
important
aspect of spirituality. It's a search, a process. Thanks again
to
those of you with the heart to share the two cents.
My
question helped me to devour a bunch of pages of on the road last
night.
Maybe I am becomming more open as well.
-shannon
(nights thick with rain and electricity, temperatures going
down,
expectations for a desert colorless yet joyful fall ahead...)
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i hope
i'm doing this right.
unsubcribe
beat-L__rebecca last
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On Fri,
15 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
>
Heard an interesting theory about Burroughs death. Specifically, it has
>
been theorized that he lost his will to live, because the great love of
> his
life (at least in his mind) was Allen Ginsberg and Allen died a few
>
months earlier. And so he lost the will
to live.
Recently
lost one of his cats, too, though I suspect others more close to
him
will have more to say on this subject. In retrospect, I do think it odd
that I
chose a sample of his ("When death becomes you...") as part of my
contribution
to a net-based tape loop project going on in the weeks just
before
his death. All those unsuspecting tape recorders playing this
message,
just before he died -- hmm, I wonder if he would have gotten a kick
out of
that.
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At
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>i
hope i'm doing this right.
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>unsubcribe
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No.
I
believe you need to send it to listserv@cunyvm.cuny.edu
also
don't put in the __
you'd
send
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Regarding
the speculation about Burroughs loving Ginsberg, the diary entries
in the
New Yorker offer some interesting grist for this mill.
May 5,
Monday
Allen
died April 5, 1997.
Is it not fine to
Dance and Sing
While the bell of
Death do ring?
Turn on the toe
Sing out Hey Nanny Noo
If I
should die think only this of me. That there's some corner of a foreign
field
that is forever: Tangier; Mexico, D.F.; St. Louis, Mo.;...........
So why
bother? You are old, Father William. Why stand on your head?
June 4,
Wednesday
"J'aime
ces types vicieux, qu'ici montrent la bite." I like the vicious
types
who show the cock here. Anonymous, outside pissoir in Paris.
"Is
it not fine to dance and sing while the bells of death do ring to turn
on toe
and sing hey nanny noo." Yes I love life in all its variety but at
last
the bell ringeth to eventide.
No mention of Fletch....who was one of
his cats?
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Comments:
To: jwhite333@sprintmail.com
Thanks
Bentz
Read yr
post at the right moment. thanks. Robert Johnson always there.'ve
been
playing that old bobbie=sox juncky, Chet Baker's songs over and over
today.
"there will never be another you,"
"I get along without you very well
(of
course I do)"... and "My Buddy" My Funny Valentine." I'm trying to kick
everything,
today. Even Love. I've been drinking a bile cat's claw tea bark
and
diet coke mixture. Not as bad as peyote juice though. The idea is to have
some
nasty to remind me of the toxins i put in my system. I'm also drinking
"Ensure"
which Beat-l member Mike supplied me (many). It tastes like
decontaminated,
processes and sweetened baby shit! The idea of all this taste
and
stomach distress, is, I guess, so my heart will direct its pity to my
guts!!!!!!! Now there's one for you. Anyway, I decided
only a aged
suicidal
maniac would listen to Chet Baker over and over, so I'll find my
Robert
Johnson. Or maybe Mississippi Joe Callicot.."You don't know my
mind"..Ya
Charles
Plymell
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Subject: Re: Sun Lao Tze
By God
that Tuscon heat is enough to do it every time! I used to take Peyote
there
in my ritual northest of town out toward that facade cowboy town. Walk
out
there barefoot an lie on a rock. The stone is cold and moist in
its manifest
part, and in its hidden part is hot and dry
Seek
the coldness of the moon and you shall find the heat of the sun.
C.
Plymell
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Subject: Re: Please Mr. Johnson
In a
message dated 97-08-15 06:45:39 EDT, you write:
<<
lets not forget the "i followed her to the station with suitcase in my
hand - love in vain" blues . . .
>>
Ah
yes, and "I keep folding up inside
just like the clothes I'm folding"
-George
Jones
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"Every
time I pack ,I doulbe up inside just like the clothes I'm folding/"
was the
line from George Jones
C.
Plymell
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In a
message dated 97-08-15 13:00:15 EDT, you write:
<<
anybody interested in doing a tape
swap?? David? >>
Oh
yeah..why didn't you tell me in lawrence, and i'd have dumped a whole
bunch
of never to be assembled again rarities.. cp
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The
number of dead animals on the road is something i've been remorsing with
too,
it's a sign
as far
as C.C. right on. Finkout.
C.
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Pamela
Beach Plymell wrote:
>
Thanks Bentz
>
Read yr post at the right moment. thanks. Robert Johnson always
>
there.'ve
>
been playing that old bobbie=sox juncky, Chet Baker's songs over and
>
over
>
today. "there will never be another you," "I get along without you
>
very well
>
(of course I do)"... and "My Buddy" My Funny
Valentine." I'm trying
> to
kick
>
everything, today. Even Love. I've been drinking a bile cat's claw tea
>
bark
>
and diet coke mixture. Not as bad as peyote juice though. The idea is
> to
have
>
some nasty to remind me of the toxins i put in my system. I'm also
>
drinking
>
"Ensure" which Beat-l member Mike supplied me (many). It tastes like
>
decontaminated, processes and sweetened baby shit! The idea of all
>
this taste
>
and stomach distress, is, I guess, so my heart will direct its pity to
> my
>
guts!!!!!!! Now there's one for you.
Anyway, I decided only a aged
>
suicidal maniac would listen to Chet Baker over and over, so I'll find
> my
>
Robert Johnson. Or maybe Mississippi Joe Callicot.."You don't know my
>
mind"..Ya
>
>
Charles Plymell
Charles:
I must
say that I enjoy your company, even on the www. I hope to visit
with
you one day. But, I will bring my own
food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try
some
Colt 45 or Country Club Malt liquor.
That will knock it out, and
cold. Me, I take a Bud or a Beck's these days.
Going
down the road feeling bad,
Going
down the road feeling bad,
Going
down the road feeling bad, Lord Lord,
Ain't
gonna be treated thisaway.
She can
break in on a dollar most anywhere she goes
And
from the Alpha of the Allman Brothers:
I fell
like I been tied to the whipping post,
Good
lord I feel like I'm dying.
And
from the Omega of the Allman Brothers:
Nobody
left to run with anymore.
Figure
you can feel both of those blues. Take
a listen,
And
damn, how can your system tolerate that much Chet. He was a sad sad
case,
beautiful and could play, but sad, sad sad.
Allmans
one more time:
Just
one more morning,
I've
got to wake up with the blues,
Get my
self together,
And put
on my walking shoes,
Cause I
hunger
For
those dreams, I've never seen.
And to
my main man Van Morrison:
Call me
up in dream land,
Radio
to me Sam,
Get
your message to me
Any way
you can,
Never
to grow old,
On the
saxaphone,
In my
own words:
Death's
Hand is a Loser
(For
Patricia and Charles who have lost a friend.)
(For
Richard who has lost a blues man.)
When
the cards are dealt,
Death's
hand is a loser.
And
loss is with us.
Beyond
this we can not say.
But
have you seen death alive?
No. The
losing hand.
And
what is that.
It is
loss.
And
what is that.
Loss is
gone,
But
you're here.
Loss is
selfish,
What
you're missing.
Loss is
true,
What
you need.
Loss is
false,
The
illusion.
Loss is
hurt,
Part is
gone.
Loss is
maddness,
Unresolved,
broken.
Loss is
death,
Part of
you too.
Loss is
gain,
Winter
blends to Spring.
Loss is
broken,
Knowing
feelings never come again.
Loss is
us,
Born to
die to birth again.
A
touch, a glance,
A calm
reassurance.
A
certainty, now uncertain.
A
feeling spinning thorough cosmic dust.
Creating,
playing, play on.
Play on
jazz man,
Play on
blues man,
Play on
Chet,
Rave on
Charles,
Rave on
madman,
Rave on
Charles,
Rave on
Angel,
Rave on
Buddy Holly,
Rave on
P,
Rave on
sunflowers,
Rave on
cats,
Rave on
James,
Rave on
Bill,
Rave on
Allen,
Rave on
Jack,
Rave on
Neal,
Rave on
Junkie,
Rave on
Junky,
Rave on
Bull Lee,
Rave on
Sherri,
Rave on
James,
Rave on
Charles,
Rave on
Arthur,
Rave on
Roland Kirk,
Rave on
Richard,
Rave on
Luther,
Rave on
Miles,
Rave on
Train,
Rave on
Jesus,
Rave on
Judas,
Rave,
rave, rave, rave, rant, rave, rave, rave, rave,
Rave on
me.
Take
care,
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Hello Bentz:
somewhere
in between reading your last
post
("Death's hand is a loser...") and
listening
to Blonde On Blonde I managed
to see
a bright side to....things.
Here's to a great weekend-to
you and
everyone on the list.
Chimera
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C
wrote:
><<The
number of dead animals on the road is something i've been remorsing
>with
too, it's a sign
>as
far as C.C. right on. Finkout.
>>
you're
being poetic cryptic again, Charles. p
l e a s e translate.
the
C.C. part reminds me of broken headlights...
>>
C. Plymell
Douglas
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yall
i was
just wondering if anyone knew when ferlinghetti's newest book of
poems
was due (wasnt there some talk about him writing a book of poems
that
was a "reply" (or something along those lines) to _a coney island of
the
mind_?) also- is he witing or solely involved with painting/sketching
(which
i understand he's emphasizing these days) and running city lights?
thanks
for info, etc
bahoo.
yrs
derek
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From: Pamela Beach Plymell
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Subject: Carl Jung prophesy c/o Burroughs
from
Albany, NY September, 1909
Everything
is too big, too immeasurable. Something
that has gradually been
dawning
upon me in the past few days is the recognition that here an ideal
potentiality
of life has become reality. Men are as
well off here as the
culture
permits; women badly off. We have seen
things here that inspire
enthusiastic
admiration, and things that make one ponder social evolution
deeply.
As far as technological culture is concerned, we lag miles behind
America. But all that is frightfully costly and
already carries the germ of
the end
in itself. -- Carl Jung - Memories, Dreams, Reflections
Charles
Plymell
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Bentz,
I've remixed your poem.
This
goes against all conventions, I know.
and I'm sorry if this
version
offends you in any way. I like the
hustler card game images,
the
ranting and raving, the thrufare reethum of it all. Let me know
what
you think. Since, Douglas
+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_
R Bentz
writ,
runner
mixed:
(v8/15/97)
>In
my own words: <ahem>
>
>Death's
Hand is a Loser
>(For
Patricia and Charles who have lost a friend.)
>(For
Richard who has lost a blues man.)
>When
loss is with us
we can
not say
>the
cards are dealt,
>Death's
hand is a loser.
>And
.
>Beyond
this .
The
losing hand is what
>No.
.
>And
It is that loss.
hav[ing]
seen death alive
>But you
?
>
>And
what is that.
>Loss
is gone,
>But
you're here.
>Loss
is selfish,
>What
you're missing.
>Loss
is true,
>What
you need.
>Loss
is false,
>The
illusion.
>Loss
is hurt,
>Part
is gone.
>Unresolved,
broken.
>Loss
is Loss is Loss is
>Loss
is
>Loss
is us,
>
maddness,
death,
Part of you too.
gain,
broken,
>Winter
blends to Spring.
>Knowing
feelings never come again.
>Born
to die to birth again.
>A
touch, a glance,
>A
calm reassurance.
>A
certainty, now uncertain.
>A
feeling spinning thorough cosmic dust.
>Creating,
playing, play on.
Rave on
>Play
on Play on Play on
>
> jazz man,
> Chet,
> blues man,
>Rave
on Rave on Rave on
>
> Charles,
> madman,
> Charles,
>Rave
on
>Angel,
P, Buddy Holly,
>
>
>Rave
on
>Rave
on
>Rave
on sunflowers, cats,
>Rave
on
>Rave
on James,
>Rave
on Bill,
>Rave
on
> Allen,
> Jack,
Neal,
Junkie,
> Junky,
Rave on Bull Lee,
>Rave
on
>Rave
on
>Rave
on
>Rave
on Sherri,
>Rave
on James,
>Rave
on Charles,
>Rave
on Arthur,
>Rave
>on
Roland Kirk,
>
Richard,
>
Luther,
>
Miles,
>
Rave on Train,
>Rave
on Jesus,
>Judas,
(Rave on)
>
>Rave,
rave, rave, rave, rant, rave, rave, rave, rave,
>Rave
on me.
(Rave
on Rave on Rave on )
>
>
>
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from
Last Words (New Yorker p37):
<<
May 24,
Saturday,
[snip]
A few drags on the green tit and I can see multiple ways out and
beyond. so why all this head on this harmless and
rewarding substance?
>>
problem
I have with marijuana is that it occasionally leaves me
jellyfish,
pocked with enough holes I feel beehived.
sure it brings the
rain,
eases the pain, and generally lights up my life. sure. then
there
are days that that suffer upon fools their fate.
and
talking to people, fixating on objects outside the self. walking
around
with my hands high low. the air parting
my lips in stuttered
thoughts. just another asshole flapping his lips, I
figure.
that's
what's wrong, Mr. Burroughs.
Douglas
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Douglas:
Thank
you. Does this qualify as a cut up?
Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
Bentz, I've remixed your poem.
>
>
This goes against all conventions, I know.
and I'm sorry if this
>
version offends you in any way. I like
the hustler card game images,
>
the ranting and raving, the thrufare reethum of it all. Let me know
>
what you think. Since, Douglas
>
>
+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_
>
> R
Bentz writ,
>
runner mixed:
>
(v8/15/97)
>
>
>In my own words: <ahem>
>
>
>
>Death's Hand is a Loser
>
>(For Patricia and Charles who have lost a friend.)
>
>(For Richard who has lost a blues man.)
>
>
>When loss is with us
> we
can not say
>
>the cards are dealt,
>
>Death's hand is a loser.
>
>
>And .
>
>Beyond this .
>
The losing hand is what
>
>No. .
>
>And It is that loss.
>
hav[ing] seen death alive
>
>But you ?
>
>
>
>And what is that.
>
>Loss is gone,
>
>But you're here.
>
>Loss is selfish,
>
>What you're missing.
>
>Loss is true,
>
>What you need.
>
>Loss is false,
>
>The illusion.
>
>Loss is hurt,
>
>Part is gone.
>
>
>Unresolved, broken.
>
>
>Loss is Loss is Loss is
>
>Loss is
>
>Loss is us,
>
>
> maddness,
> death,
> Part of you too.
> gain,
> broken,
>
>
>Winter blends to Spring.
>
>Knowing feelings never come again.
>
>Born to die to birth again.
>
>A touch, a glance,
>
>A calm reassurance.
>
>A certainty, now uncertain.
>
>A feeling spinning thorough cosmic dust.
>
>Creating, playing, play on.
>
Rave on
>
>
>Play on Play on Play on
>
>
>
> jazz man,
>
> Chet,
>
> blues man,
>
>
>Rave on Rave on Rave on
>
>
>
> Charles,
>
> madman,
>
> Charles,
>
>
>Rave on
>
>
>Angel, P, Buddy Holly,
>
>
>
>
>
>Rave on
>
>
>Rave on
>
>
>Rave on sunflowers, cats,
>
>Rave on
>
>Rave on James,
>
>Rave on Bill,
>
>
>Rave on
>
>
> Allen,
>
> Jack,
> Neal,
> Junkie,
>
> Junky,
> Rave on Bull Lee,
>
>
>Rave on
>
>Rave on
>
>Rave on
>
>Rave on Sherri,
>
>Rave on James,
>
>Rave on Charles,
>
>Rave on Arthur,
>
>
>Rave
>
>
>on Roland Kirk,
>
> Richard,
>
> Luther,
>
> Miles,
>
> Rave on Train,
>
>
>Rave on Jesus,
>
>Judas, (Rave on)
>
>
>
>Rave, rave, rave, rave, rant, rave, rave, rave, rave,
>
>Rave on me.
>
(Rave on Rave on Rave on )
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Bentz
writ:
<<
>Douglas:
>
>Thank
you. Does this qualify as a cut up?
>>
or a
fuckup. Stole the idea from my friend
Annabelle who did the same
thing
to me once. Took my email and snipped
and tucked it into a new
machine. Have been reading a little bit more about
surrealism recently,
but
haven't really absorbed anything that would allow me to be
definitive
regarding a name for this process.
cut-up
works.
have a
bunch of those magnet poem words on my fridge.
can't figure out
for the
life of me what to do with em. On other
people's fridges, they
are
easy to spit and parse. But my own works.... so, I steal and
borrow
and beg my influences most of the time.
If anything, if you take
a given
work and dice it up like I did yours, then you have to figure
out
what to do with all the *extra* pieces.
As well, when you <ahem>
deconstruct
a work, you get a chance --as that anarchist's WSB .sig
says--
to see what message the recorder was playin.
and I'm
still rereading both versions. goin for
the big picture. glad
you
liked it. Was a bit worried how you'd
receive. Now if only we
could
put it to music.... a fast, choppy chorus <perhaps> with lots of
bridges
and transitions, but but .... with a really cool Leonard Cohen
"hallelujah"
overall feel to it. ???
Douglas
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=
>Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
>>
Bentz, I've remixed your poem.
>>
>
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Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
Bentz writ:
>
>
<<
>
>Douglas:
>
>
>
>Thank you. Does this qualify as a
cut up?
>
>>
>
> or
a fuckup. Stole the idea from my friend
Annabelle who did the same
>
>
thing to me once. Took my email and
snipped and tucked it into a new
>
machine. Have been reading a little bit
more about surrealism
>
recently,
>
but haven't really absorbed anything that would allow me to be
>
definitive regarding a name for this process.
>
>
cut-up works.
>
>
have a bunch of those magnet poem words on my fridge. can't figure
>
out
>
for the life of me what to do with em.
On other people's fridges,
>
they
>
are easy to spit and parse. But my own
works.... so, I steal and
>
borrow and beg my influences most of the time.
If anything, if you
>
take
> a
given work and dice it up like I did yours, then you have to figure
>
out what to do with all the *extra* pieces.
As well, when you <ahem>
>
deconstruct a work, you get a chance --as that anarchist's WSB .sig
>
says-- to see what message the recorder was playin.
>
>
and I'm still rereading both versions.
goin for the big picture.
>
glad
>
you liked it. Was a bit worried how
you'd receive. Now if only we
>
could put it to music.... a fast, choppy chorus <perhaps> with lots of
>
>
bridges and transitions, but but .... with a really cool Leonard Cohen
>
>
"hallelujah" overall feel to it.
???
>
>
Douglas
Maybe
kind of like "So Long Marianne"?
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Derek
et al -
The
Ferlinghetti book you mention is already out -
It's a
hardcover titled "A Far Rockaway of the Heart" from New Directions.
The
price is $21.95. (shipping included) -
We've
got plenty of copies in stock -
Jeffrey
Water
Row Books
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Bentz
wrote:
>>
Maybe kind of like "So Long Marianne"?
Don't
know that one. Why don't you hum a few
bars. Hell, if we lived
closer,
we could probably burn a few bars, cutup style. We'll give CP
some
peyote and make him drive ;-) <<wicked evil grin>>
>
Douglas
>--
>
>Peace,
>
>Bentz
>bocelts@scsn.net
>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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...or
"We didn't know what to call it
So we called it quits...."
Antoine
**************
>In
a message dated 97-08-15 06:45:39 EDT, you write:
>
><<
lets not forget the "i followed her to the station with suitcase in my
>
hand - love in vain" blues . . .
> >>
>Ah
yes, and "I keep folding up inside
just like the clothes I'm folding"
>-George
Jones
>
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need a cop to tell him what to do!"
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Thought
the text further on was a great description of Kerouac:
I've read the parts in "On The
Road" that refer to Jack and Neal
watching
Slim Gaillard in clubs, so it was interesting finding this
interview,
with Slim talking about Jackl. Anyone who hasn't had a chance to
hear
him on record, search him out.
He was one of a small group of unique
performers that straddled the
Bebop /
Beat era. They included Harry 'the Hipster' Gibson, Richard 'Lord'
Buckley,
Babs Gonzales, Leo Watson, Lenny Bruce, King Pleasure cooking up a
melange
of songs, spoken word, great performance, vocalese, scat....all
intersecting
with each other.
These
quotes are from a large format paperback pictorial called "The Hip:
Hipsters,
Jazz and the Beat Generation". Published in England in 1986 by
Faber
& Faber; written by three well known English music journalists, Roy
Carr,
Brian Case and Fred Dellar.
*****Slim
Gaillard on Jack Kerouac**********
'Having
Jack write about me in "On The Road" is a nice thing to have on your
report
card.
'He was
a great listener=85really admired my work...
....When I played "The Say When
Club" in San Francisco, Jack showed
up
every night.=85would stand with his back against the wall and while he
listened
all the girls would cruise by and admire him.
Between sets, I'd
stand
there right next to him. We were both
so sharp we made a Gillette
blade
look like a hammer.
'There
was one girl =97 owned two-thirds of Palm Springs =97 who'd keep=
telling
me,
"Slim, you're the most fantastic guy I=92ve ever seen!" Anyway, I
wasn't
about
to argue=85Then, one night when I came to the club, there was a key on
the
piano with my name on it. She'd gone out and bought me a brand new car
as a
little token=85hey! It's good to be handsome!'
He laughed,
wiped up the remains of the eggs with bread roll, and chased it
all
down with a bottle of Perrier.
******from
"On the Road"*******
Now Dean [Moriarty] approached him, he
approached his God: he
thought
Slim [Gaillard] was God: he shuffled and bowed in front of him and
asked
him to join us.
'Right-orooni', says Slim; he'll join
anybody but won't guarantee to
be with
you in spirit. Dean got a table, bought drinks, and sat stiffly in
front
of Slim. Slim dreamed over his head. Every time Slim said, 'Orooni,'
Dean
said, 'Yes!'
I sat there with these two madmen.
Nothing happened. To Slim
Gaillard
the whole world was just one big orooni.
*******from
Miles Davis*******
"There are only two men that I
look up to...
Slim Gaillard and Dizzy Gillespie.
Without them I wouldn't be=
playing."
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to=
do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
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Cool
cool post Antoine, appreciate it
all I
can say is
flat
foot floogie with the floy floy
(OK OK
for 20 points and the lead what PBS show did our man Jack utter those
abovementioned
quotes from Mr Gaillard?)
At
08:47 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Thought
the text further on was a great description of Kerouac:
>
> I've read the parts in "On The
Road" that refer to Jack and Neal
>watching
Slim Gaillard in clubs, so it was interesting finding this
>interview,
with Slim talking about Jackl. Anyone who hasn't had a chance to
>hear
him on record, search him out.
>
> He was one of a small group of unique
performers that straddled the
>Bebop
/ Beat era. They included Harry 'the Hipster' Gibson, Richard 'Lord'
>Buckley,
Babs Gonzales, Leo Watson, Lenny Bruce, King Pleasure cooking up a
>melange
of songs, spoken word, great performance, vocalese, scat....all
>intersecting
with each other.
>
>These
quotes are from a large format paperback pictorial called "The Hip:
>Hipsters,
Jazz and the Beat Generation". Published in England in 1986 by
>Faber
& Faber; written by three well known English music journalists, Roy
>Carr,
Brian Case and Fred Dellar.
>
>*****Slim
Gaillard on Jack Kerouac**********
>
>'Having
Jack write about me in "On The Road" is a nice thing to have on=
your
>report
card.
>'He
was a great listener=85really admired my work...
>
> ....When I played "The Say When
Club" in San Francisco, Jack showed
>up
every night.=85would stand with his back against the wall and while he
>listened
all the girls would cruise by and admire him.
Between sets, I'd
>stand
there right next to him. We were both
so sharp we made a Gillette
>blade
look like a hammer.
>
>'There
was one girl =97 owned two-thirds of Palm Springs =97 who'd keep=
telling
>me,
"Slim, you're the most fantastic guy I=92ve ever seen!" Anyway, I=
wasn't
>about
to argue=85Then, one night when I came to the club, there was a key=
on
>the
piano with my name on it. She'd gone out and bought me a brand new car
>as
a little token=85hey! It's good to be handsome!'
>He
laughed, wiped up the remains of the eggs with bread roll, and chased it
>all
down with a bottle of Perrier.
>
>******from
"On the Road"*******
>
> Now Dean [Moriarty] approached him, he
approached his God: he
>thought
Slim [Gaillard] was God: he shuffled and bowed in front of him and
>asked
him to join us.
>
> 'Right-orooni', says Slim; he'll join
anybody but won't guarantee=
to
>be
with you in spirit. Dean got a table, bought drinks, and sat stiffly in
>front
of Slim. Slim dreamed over his head. Every time Slim said, 'Orooni,'
>Dean
said, 'Yes!'
>
> I sat there with these two madmen. Nothing
happened. To Slim
>Gaillard
the whole world was just one big orooni.
>
>*******from
Miles Davis*******
>
> "There are only two men that I
look up to...
> Slim Gaillard and Dizzy Gillespie.
Without them I wouldn't be=
playing."
>
>
> Antoine
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to=
do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
>
>
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And to
add to Tim's quiz...
Who was Slim's musically famous
son-in-law? He even had slim on a
record
of his in the 80's!
Antoine
****************
Cool
cool post Antoine, appreciate it
>
>all
I can say is
>
>flat
foot floogie with the floy floy
>
>(OK
OK for 20 points and the lead what PBS show did our man Jack utter those
>abovementioned
quotes from Mr Gaillard?)
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
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Comments:
To: jwhite333@sprintmail.com
God, I
didn't know you knew him. I used to fantasize to his music in eary
fifties.
I had a vision of him beside a 48 Ford conv. with his arms around a
chick
in the perfect new suburb, but always saying goodbye so beautifully
frank.
That's first tip somethings happening!
He sand his sad subtle songs
so
mellow it can make your bones cry, the whole flower bleed.
C.
Plymell
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Charles,
Who knew him? ...have we got a hitherto unknown jazz
resource on
the
list?
Ross Porter of CBC: Canadian
Broadcasting Corporation put together a
great
three hour / three part series on Baker that aired earlier this year
and
again this past three weeks. It was a great blend of music and history.
Ross
does a late night jazz show five days a week on the national FM band.
He interviewed a ton of people and
even went so far as to spend a
night
in the hotel room in Amsterdam from where Chet fell (...or was
pushed?)
to his death. He spoke to the police locally who were sure he was
probably
not pushed. Ross did think that it was pretty unlikely that it was
an
accident with Chet just lounging at the window since the window
construction
would have made that awkward. His girlfriend seemed to think it
was
probably suicide since he had been so distraught about her going back to
the
States when he got to be too much to deal with.
The book I mentioned earlier tonight
had a lovely section on him.
One of
the writers describes bumping into Chet late one rainy night in some
town in
the midlands of England. He was bent over sideways looking into a
pawnshop
at a trumpet trying to see if he could make out the maker''s mark.
The
cover is a great bluetone picture of Chet, tee-shirt and jacket, sitting
on a
folding chair with leg, white socks, loafers,
tossed up onto the next
one; a
shockingly young looking Chet taken by Bob Willoughby in
1953...especially
so when one is used to his appearance in later years.
In Ross Porter's series he described
Chet being stopped speeding by
a
highway patrol officer who was all set to slam him, but then caught sight
of some
albi\ums piled in the back seat. Asked "Chester Baker? ....are you
Chet
Baker??" ...and collapsed in
dizzy fan frenzy.
Where did Chet stand in the Beat
musical pantheon? Was he considered
not
edgy enough?
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
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Thanks
for adding the William for me Rinaldo and for choosing such a perfect
Ferlinghetti
poem as a response! Which collection is it from?
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
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This
am. Chron here in SF had a nice story on Lew in connection with the
releast
of Magda Cregg's book on Lew which I have not yet seen. Magda
was a
sig. other of Lew's and also, as a sideline, mother to Huey Lewis.
An even
is happening at noon Saturday in Bolinas which I will not be
able to
make. If Beat-L folks know of any
others kindly backchannel me.
The new
posting format appears to me to be already generating unecessary
mail
that would be better backchanneled.
Here is my one vote for a
return
to the interim format in which backchannel is encouraged ( a good
thing
in my view,) and a post to all 200+plus of us is required a little
thought.
Just my
two cents.
J.
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Pamela
Beach Plymell wrote:
>
>
God, I didn't know you knew him. I used to fantasize to his music in
> eary
>
fifties. I had a vision of him beside a 48 Ford conv. with his arms
>
around a
>
chick in the perfect new suburb, but always saying goodbye so
>
beautifully
>
frank. That's first tip somethings
happening! He sand his sad subtle
>
songs
> so
mellow it can make your bones cry, the whole flower bleed.
> C.
Plymell
Charles
at the risk of losing all my Southern Manhood self image, I will
venture
to say, that in addition to being able to blow the trumpet like
no one
else, he was a beautiful man. I wonder
if any of the women on
the
list noticed his fallen angel, needing mothering, impish boy nature.
Just
had to take care of him. It would be
good if some one some where
would
put together a real jazz sampler with all some of the best of all
those
who played from the heart. Train, Chet,
Miles, Dizzy, Byrd,
Charlie
Christian, Wes Montgomery, at least that's where I would start.
Maybe
it's out there. Tell me if you know.
Peace,
--
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That
window makes you look really ugly.
I
should've told you but I guess I didn't.
That
sunset is rising from the greatest depths.
I
should've told you but I guess I didn't.
Wake
up.
Get
undressed.
You
fell asleep in my dreams again.
James M.
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The
Kerouac Quarterly Page has been updated today (8-16-97)!!!
For
details about the Images of Kerouac '97 Exhibition go to:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
To see
the painting "The Flood of Dr. Sax" go to:
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Let me
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Well, I
have been scanning the Dylan list for some more good Burroughs
posts. And I couldn't find anymore, so the action
must have died down.
But
since the beats play cosmic baseball on the net, and since the
action
has dwindled, I did find this fine reference to Cal Ripken and
Eddie
Murray. Seems timely since Anaheim just
cut Eddie.
But on
the beat list question. I know, or at
least believe Jack was
very
much into baseball. How about Neal, or any others. It would not
seem to
be Allen's or William's kind of thing.
I know that James and
and few
others had some good comments on Neal playing pool. Is there
any
sort of information on baseball and its connection with those who
are
considered beats. I personally find
baseball to be a very
interesting
game when seen live. On tv, it is much
too long.
Peace,
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Date:
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References:
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In
article , Steve says...
>
>I
would say that songwriters are certainly better judges than the typical
>music
listener (Steve Earle notwithstanding), and probably better than
>the
average critic. Look at baseball.
When the fans picked the
>players
(maybe they still do, I don't follow it
much anymore) the
>choices
were often ludicrious. When the
>writers/mangers
picked it came out much better, less choices like
>Cal
Ripken batting .250 starting at shortstop.
>
Look,
it's one thing for folks in this newsgroup to take on Baez,
Burroughs,
God, Ginsberg, or Calvin. But when you
go after Cal Ripken,
you've
crossed the line. What's next? An attack on Eddie Murray?
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>From
the Beat Book, edited by Anne Waldman 1996, page 182.
The
Cut-up Method of Brion Gysin
At a
surrealist rally in the 1920s Tristan Tzara the man from nowhere
proposed
to creat a poem on the spot by pulling words out of a hat. A
riot
ensued wrecked the theater. Andre
Breton expelled Tristan Tzara
from
the movement and grounded the cut-ups on the Freudian couch.
In the
summer of 1959 Brion Gysin painter and writer cut newspaper
articles
into sections at random. "Minutes
to Go" resulted from this
initial
cut-up experiment. "Minutes to
Go" contains unedited unchanged
cut-ups
emerging as quite coherent and meaningful prose.
...
Tristam
Tzara said: "Poetry is for everyone."
...
Cutups
are for everyone. Anybody can make
cut-ups.
This is
from William S. Burroughs, The Cut-up Method of Brion Gysin
which
first appeared in the "The Third Mind (c) 1978.
I was
just trying to dig into some better understanding of Burroughs and
stumbled
across this.
Peace,
--
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Is
anyone ready to discuss books yet? In
rereading On the Road, I'm
noticing
how much more romantic Kerouac is here about life, still in the
early
stages of captivation with Neal for his love of life.
pg. 8,
"...and I shambled after as I've been doing all my life after
people
who interest me, because the only people for me are the mad ones,
the
ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of
everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace
thing,
but burn, burn, burn like fabolous yellow roman candles exploding
like
spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue
centerlight
pop and everybody goes 'Awww!'"
Interesting
perception of Neal meeting Allen: pg. 7
"Two
keen minds that they are, they took to each other at the drop of a
hat. Two piercing eyes glanced into two piercing
eyes--the holy con-man
with
the shining mind, and the sorrowful poetic con-man with the dark
mind
that is Carlo Marx."
Also
interesting to note, is even that in starting out on his first
hitchhike
across the country, where his plan is to take Route 6 straight
across
the country to Ely, Nevada., he has to give up because there are
no cars
to pick him up, and a passerby suggests he give up the plan
and
head to Pittsburg to Chicago; he says, "It was my dream that screwed
up, the
stupid hearthside idea that it would be wonderful to follow one
great
red line across America instead of trying various roads and
routes."
So, in
his eyes, is the American dream already starting to topple? Is
the
spiritual journey also begun? The fact that life is lived and
knowledge
is gained by trying various roads and routes, instead of one
answer,
analogous to one gigantic thoroughfare cutting through the middle
of
America, but no one is on it.
DC
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The
most amazing thing about the beginning of Naked Lunch is the flow of
language. Very much different than Kerouac's type of
flow but very
compelling
from the perspective of keeping the reader interested. It
is a
keen flow of dialogue that keeps things moving. As for subject
matter,
mostly I've learned that the heirarchy of junk on all levels is
all-consuming
and everyone is the chain is addicted to his own level, be
that
user, seller, buyer, agent, etc.; the system goes in circles,
everyone
is affected, infected. Not a pretty
world, lots of drooling,
vomiting,
spitting, nightmares about rotting ectoplasm.
Also no real
sense
of who I is, or where he is, except caught in a vicious cycle.
Does
anyone else have a perspective about the beginning of the book?
DC
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"A
man who uses Buddhism or any other instrument to
remove
love from his being in order to avoid,
has
committed, in my mind, a sacrilege comparable
to
castration."-- William S. Burroughs' letter to Jack Kerouac.
>From
"Letters of William S. Burroughs 1945-1959."
*-
"When the Vietnamese communists
took Saigon in 1975, they put their
"class
enemies" into re-education camps.
In
neighboring Cambodia, Pol Pot built
exter-
mination camps. Techears, doctors,
people
who could speak a foreing language, even
people who wore glasses, were purged
as
he sought to reduce all of Cambodia to
the
level of the peasant class. The
Vietnamese
could be cruel captors, but their
Confucian
heritage left them open to educational re-
form. In Cambodia, by contrast,
Buddhism
encouraged a belief in the
ineluctability
of karma and the idea that evil
suffered
is evil deserved. ''The idea of karma
goes very deep in this society, and I
think that was part of the mentality
of
the Khmer Rouge when they were
massacring
people,'' said Francois Ponvhaud, a
priest
who first went in Cambodia in 1965. ''
They
believed their victims had made
errors,
political errors, and that killing
them
would allow them to be reborn as
better
people in their next lives''. Pol Pot
has
admitted to some mistakes in the
period
from 1975 to 1979, but in his eyes
they
were mistakes of policy. About the
million
dead, he has never expressed any
remorse."
From "Terry McCarthy--
TIME,AUGUST 11,1997."
*-
"I
repeat, BUDDHISM IS NOT FOR THE WEST.
We must
evolve our own solutions..."
--
William S. Burroughs' letter to Jack Kerouac.
>From
"Letters of William S. Burroughs 1945-1959."
*-
DIED. WILLIAM BURROUGHS, 83,
countercultural hero, whose
delicioussly delirious novel,
''Naked Lunch'', was cleared
of obscenity charges by the
U.S. Supreme Court; in Lawrence,
Kansas. A literary junkie,
Burroughs was hooked on heroin
and words, which he furiously
pieced together to exorcise the
memory of having drunkenly shot
his wife Joan instead of the
glass perched on her head. Of
that stunt gone fatally wrong,
Burroughs once said: '' I have
had no choice but to write my
way out.''
From "TIME,AUGUST 18,1997.
*-
saluti
fraterni,
Rinaldo.
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Sam
plays the blues
His
left hand action
Could
break your heart
[Dark
Cipher
Show
Judas mercy
He was
dealt a raw hand
Shattered
faith and broken connection
He took
to the highway
To be
born again
You
need distance]
Rick
pours a drink
And waits
for her return
[Like a
killer
Firing
blanks at a photograph
He
seethes
Like an
infant
Being
smothered by a pillow
Thinks
he sees the light]
He
lights a cigarette
And
lets time go by
[We
surrounded the fire
Dancing
and ripping the flesh
Off our
screaming sacrifice
Our
hands covered with blood
And
offal]
Ilsa's
eyes still watch him at night
[Menstrual
mind shaved bare
Severed
ring finger
On a
drift of snow
Coyly
removing her shades
Tongues
of flame lick the air
>From
hollow eye sockets]
"I
miss you, kid"
[In the
apartment next door
A body
is being slammed against
The
wall again and again
All I
do is sweat my sheets into slush
And
follow the rhythm in terror]
She's
always another drink away
[The
knife thrower
Over
there, wiping his steel
Is
Anxious for his turn on stage
He
makes sure these parties
Don't
get over crowded]
He's
always a drink behind
[Her
room is gaurded by statues
Of
saints, candles and prayer cards
Holy
water by the door
Someone
outside crying at
A
lovers' breakthrough
Swallowed
by black night
Playing
burial drums in the street
Acceptance
at her outstretched hand
I lay
down
Whose
lips enclosed
Whose
touch could save]
Chimera
'91 (cut-ups)
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List of
Beat Writers in The Collection
The two sources used to determine if a
writer/poet is to be included
in the Beat Writers Collection are: 1) A two
volume set entitled "The Beats:
Literary Bohemians in Postwar America"
(edited by Ann Charters. Gale. 1983).
More than a biography of 66 Beats or Beat Era
writers, each entry includes an
in-depth critique of the works of an author
and includes at least one
photograph and a bibliography. The six page forward written by Charters
serves as a quick socio-historical analysis
of BEAT.
Poets/writers listed in this two
volume set are:
Amari
Baraka (Leroi Jones)
Paul
Blackburn
Bonnie
Bremser
Ray
Bremser
Chandler
Brossard
William
S. Burroughs
William
S. Burroughs Jr.
Paul Carroll
Carolyn
Cassady
Neal
Cassady
Andy
Clausen
Gregory
Corso
Robert
Creely
Diane
DiPrima
Kirby
Doyle
Robert
Duncan
Bob
Dylan
William
Everson (Brother Antonus)
Lawrence
Ferlinghetti
Allen
Ginsberg
Brion
Gysin
John
Cellon Holmes
Herbert
Huncke
Ted
Joans
Lenore
Kandel
Bob
Kaufman
Jan
Kerouac
Jack
kerouac
Ken
Kesey
Seymour
Krim
Tuli
Kupferberg
Joanne
Kyger
Philip
Lamantia
Jay
Landesman
Fran
Landesman
Timothy
Leary
Lawrence
Lipton
Norman
Mailer
Edward
Marshall
Joanna
McClure
Michael
McClure
Taylor
Mead
David
Meltzer
Jack
Micheline
John
Montgomery
Harold
Norse
Frank
O'Hara
Charles
Olson
Peter
Orlovsky
Kenneth
Patchen
Stuart
Z. Perkoff
Charles
Plymell
Dan
Propper
Kenneth
Rexroth
Michael
Rumaker
Ed
Sanders
Gary
Snyder
Carl
Solomon
Jack
Spicer
Charles
Upton
Janine
Pommy Vega
Anne
Waldman
Alan
Watts
Lew
Welch
Philip
Whalen
John
Weiners
William
Carlos Williams
2) The second book is entitled
"Women of the Beat
Generation" (edited by Brenda Knight.)
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I found out quickly that the best
way to
approach NL (for me) is as a
long
poem, rather than a novel.
Being spoiled by mainstream
authors
(hey, I was young!), I wasn't
expecting
the sharp turns in the middle
of a
sentence (in the middle of a thought)
or the playing
with the flow of the plot.
Once
you sink into the rhythm and
_expect_
high word play and serious
surreal
imagery, the book comes more
easily.
Anyway-just me talkin'.
As for the subject matter, even
with my
limited (by comparison) drug
experience,
one of the things that I was
affected
by was WSB's dead on (and
heartbreaking)
descriptions of the users'
denial
of self (except when it comes to
scoring).
The loss of shame, vanity, etc.
It
seemed to me that while putting down
these
scenes, all his fantastic wordplay
was put
aside just for a few sentences
and he
was just "putting the feeling
across,
straight". All the more jarring
when
he'd get up and go again.
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Bolinas
7.16.97 4pm Western Standard Time
Lew
Welch Birthday party-Book party
Hey
Beat List
this is
my first post--
Just
back from great reading, singing, dancing,
homage
to Lew... Happy Birthday,
Ring of
bone-
Robert
Hunter the long time Greatful Dead lyricist
sang to
the crowd
Magda
singed copies of her new book
"Hey
Lew"
People
read from Lew's poems
(I got
to read Taxi Suite)
All in
the sweet down town
of
Bolinas
ever
wonder what
happened
to all the hippies?
They
are alive and well
in
Bolinas
more
poets per capita than
any
where on the plant.
Also in
attendance
Joann
Kyger
You can
get the new book
by
sending $12.00 to Magda Cregg
Box 964
Bolinas CA 94924
(for
those not in the know
she was
married to Lew
and the
mother of
Huey
Lewis)
Sweet
stories in the book
of Lew
teaching Huey
about
poetry!!
Love,
Gary
Mex Glazner
Headless
Buddha
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11:58 AM -0700 8/16/97, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
Tristam Tzara said: "Poetry is for everyone."
>
>
...
>
>
Cutups are for everyone. Anybody can
make cut-ups.
>
>
This is from William S. Burroughs, The Cut-up Method of Brion Gysin
>
which first appeared in the "The Third Mind (c) 1978.
>
> I
was just trying to dig into some better understanding of Burroughs and
>
stumbled across this.
driving
down from Lala today. thinking about
The Big Lie and how cutups,
collage,
and that compacted shape shifting style familiar to david salle,
burroughs,
and a whole new generation of graphic designers. Got to
thinking
about how otto dix and george grosz with the depictions of post
wwI
germany, their crowded political scenes are very reminsecent of my WSB
view.
to
crack the big lie. to be vigilent on
the truth and not be snide, not
play
stupid, and to crack the commercian veneer that often surrounds such
enterprises.
yes,
"people have the power" as patti smith often says. "people have the
power
to dream, to rule, to wrestle the earth from fools"
and how
refreshing it is to read some straight commentary, not some alien
this
and hanging boy critique of capitalism art statement. props to the
New
Yorker for getting ahold of those journal entries. Wonder how they
pulled
that one off??
>
>
Peace,
> --
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Diane
Carter wrote:
>
>
The most amazing thing about the beginning of Naked Lunch is the flow of
>
language. Very much different than
Kerouac's type of flow but very
>
compelling from the perspective of keeping the reader interested. It
> is
a keen flow of dialogue that keeps things moving. As for subject
>
matter, mostly I've learned that the heirarchy of junk on all levels is
>
all-consuming and everyone is the chain is addicted to his own level, be
>
that user, seller, buyer, agent, etc.; the system goes in circles,
>
everyone is affected, infected. Not a
pretty world, lots of drooling,
>
vomiting, spitting, nightmares about rotting ectoplasm. Also no real
>
sense of who I is, or where he is, except caught in a vicious cycle.
>
Does anyone else have a perspective about the beginning of the book?
> DC
It has
been some time since i've been through this book. As i may have
mentioned
i gave my william burroughs collection to a dear friend for
hannukah
last winter. i felt it was time to pass
it along at the time.
sometimes
i have regrets - especially when specifics are being
discussed. The local library which does have a copy of
Naked Lunch will
not be
open until sometime later next week.
Hopefully it will be
available
for checkout.
In the meantime another library in
town "MAGICALLY" had a copy of the
Letters
45-59 of WSB. I checked it out
yesterday and have already made
it to
December 1952. It is good reading and
quite a warmup for moving
into
Naked Lunch - as i believe Arthur had suggested previously.
One thing about what you've recognized
in the opening portions of the
book is
that i believe that there are many layers beyond mere junk at
work
here. The nature of the vicious cycle
is particularly important.
It
seems to be (as i recall) that the beginning section of this book --
with
minor modifications -- could be a recurring preface to most of the
works
to follow with differing emphasis concerning the specifics.
Without a copy of Naked Lunch before
me it is difficult to explain this
very
well as i am unable to provide any textual references. What i am
suggesting
also in no way is a claim that your current reading is a
misunderstanding
or misconception. Rather what i'm
trying to find the
words
to breakthrough with here is that the beginning section can be
read as
developing a far more general theory concerning addiction and
control
and even Control with a capital "C".
Such a reading views the
poetry
of junk as a poetic example of the larger notion.
The particular kind of vicious cycle
described here is a powerful
general
theory which can be translated across addictions and even as far
as
considering addictions to the virus of words and the control of
space/time
and the addiction to finding immortality.
Throughout the
writings
of WSB, it always seems to me, that coming back to these
beginnings
in Naked Lunch can provide a powerful lens into the future
project.
Two other comments ... it seems that
it is important to view Naked
Lunch
as more than a junk novel from the outset.
The junk experience is
already
described in some detail in Junkie/Junky (or as in the letters
simply
Junk). Viewing as more than a junk
novel helps discourage the
tendency
to pigeonhole the writings of WSB as a junk novelist.
The second thing is that the technique
employed in developing Naked
Lunch
of cut-up (cut and paste, splice, word montage - whatever) both
presents
a clear picture and something of a non-linear image that breaks
through
pre-recordings. In reading WSB, one can
merely accept the
pre-recording
of the book as published or appreciate this version and
also
glance around the montage of words for portraits of further
meanings
yet to be exposed.
Just a few thoughts. I look forward to being able to check out the
necessary
books to keep up with you on this very very soon.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Thanks
to all those who have visited my web page for The Kerouac Quarterly.
I must
solicit one thing from those who can help me. I am looking for any
current
or upcoming reviews for Some of the Dharma. This is an important
publication
and should be widely discussed in a controversial way. I think
you all
will be surprised by its contents as I was. For now. . .I have the
negative
review from Kirkus added to the page ( a page I will keep separate
for
Some of the Dharma). Thanks again. . .please e-mail me your reviews
should
you get them. Regards and thanks from The Kerouac Quarterly. .
.Sincerely
Paul. . .
The Kerouac Quarterly, a journal for the
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Like David, I haven't reread the novel in
quite awhile. I have to agree
with
his idea about how pervasive the metaphor of "junk" is throughout the
novel. A scene which has stuck in my mind since I
read it, and I believe
it's in
the first chapter, is when a guy approaches the narrator in the
subway
(?) and the narrator immediately recognizes the guy as someone who
isn't
"in the know" and who, because of this, is ready for a fleecing.
And I keep thinking about how
"paranoia" is so often justified and I
wonder
how truly deep the "junk" goes.
Maybe I'll reread it after all.
Your's,
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I have
posted on another page at my web site a review for Some of the Dharma.
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page3.html
Enjoy
and respond! Regards to all, Paul of TKQ. . .
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At 6:50
PM -0700 8/16/97, RACE --- wrote:
> The particular kind of vicious cycle
described here is a powerful
>
general theory which can be translated across addictions and even as far
> as
considering addictions to the virus of words and the control of
>
space/time and the addiction to finding immortality. Throughout the
>
writings of WSB, it always seems to me, that coming back to these
>
beginnings in Naked Lunch can provide a powerful lens into the future
>
project.
Ok,
cool. Was watching tv tonight,
"Valmont." This psycho
thriller of
sorts,
involving love, death, manipulation, and in the end, "the viscious
circle". And we see it all planned out. down to the details. Human
beings
controling the outcome of events. Mixed
this all up with my working
WSB
ideas of the "big lie."
Went to
the bookstore today and came up with "the western lands." They
didn't
have the WSB letters book, nor the Umberto Eco I was looking for.
Got a
S. Dali compendium for $6 (quite a steal!).
also realized the you can translate the
control, the viscious cycle you
are
talking about into visual terms as well.
That's where the green tit
comes
in handy, I guess. The Gaze!
then
from what your talking about, don't forget what an old carny WSB is.
I liked
how Eric Blanco talked about WSB and his few true sentences. And
seeing
him start, jarringly, up again. The
lure to keep the carny suspect
hooked.
and
from "Valmont" realizing that your own actions are possibly not
enough
to
prevent the big lie from happening again.
that lies are necessary, that
love is
not always fulfilled, and the harm might willingly be caused to
others. Needing people to respect and violate these
personal laws.
then
death, how it works. death is indeed
the seed. burrowing down deep
like
the fucking fleas in my apartment.
bring the heat and my blood is
ripe
for the picking.
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/images/Big_lie.html
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
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America...
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Antoine
et al. friends,
the
Ferlinghetti's poem "Walking through the University of Bologna"
is
printed in the book
"Ferlinghetti,
SCENE ITALIANE", ed. Minum fax, (c) 1995, Roma
in the
cover a Ferlinghetti's painting titled "Morning Vision",
in
previous post i noticed thet Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>
have
alot of books in stock i dunno if he has a copy of "Italian Scenes"
by LF,
saluti
a tutti, e buona domenica,
Rinaldo.
At
23.20 15/08/97 -0400, Antoine wrote:
>Thanks
for adding the William for me Rinaldo and for choosing such a perfect
>Ferlinghetti
poem as a response! Which collection is it from?
>
> Antoine
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At
11:41 PM 8/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I
have ended this kind of crap! It went out with greasy funded french fries.
>Who
wants to see Kerouac's Lowell in that kind of crowd, anyway?
>C.
Plymell
>
>
The
Hemingway ancestors have ceased control of the Papa
image
in Key West and are trying to the get the annual
event
to pay them (the Hem foundation)tribute for using
the Hem
image, etc. If Kerouac's relatives want
to make
a case
which makes all public beat knowledge accessible to
them. It could be the Dow is starting to shift
downers.
Mike
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wrote:
> Mixed this all up with my working
>
WSB ideas of the "big lie."
>
>
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/images/Big_lie.html
>
>
Douglas
>
>
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/
I'm not
certain that "lie" is it.
Unless the Lie is in only one angle
on
truth. It doesn't seem to me a
particularly moralish notion as Lie
sometimes
suggests - what constitutes the Big Lie is factually accurate
from a
particular point of view, from a particular angle. What is
exposed
is the multiplicity of angles.
i like
your montage/collage. it reminded me of
an old friends stuff
that he
used to send through the mail - addressing the backside of
something
like that to friends.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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James
William Marshall wrote:
>
> Like David, I haven't reread the novel in
quite awhile. I have to agree
>
with his idea about how pervasive the metaphor of "junk" is
throughout the
>
novel. A scene which has stuck in my
mind since I read it, and I believe
>
it's in the first chapter, is when a guy approaches the narrator in the
>
subway (?) and the narrator immediately recognizes the guy as someone who
>
isn't "in the know" and who, because of this, is ready for a
fleecing.
> And I keep thinking about how
"paranoia" is so often justified and I
>
wonder how truly deep the "junk" goes. Maybe I'll reread it after all.
>
>
Your's,
>
James M.
i
wasn't going to re-read it. i felt like
- been there, done that. but
i know
that i missed so many angles along the way in first readings and
the
idea of reading it with others seems a nice idea. i hope you decide
to read
it.
this
and the message to douglas are probably examples of what just as
well
might be backchanneled ... i fall easily into the trap that the new
format
creates and James Stauffer so elegantly slammed.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Hi,
thanks
for helping me with the citation search the other day...
=2E..by
the way, I am studying the Text The Lost Language of Cranes by David
Leavitt
for my thesis and there are at least two references concerning
Ginsberg
und Burroughs.
(1.) a
rather middle-class gay couple distance themselves from Ginsberg=B4s
social
life
(2.)
there is a scene in which one of the protagonists (Philip) is in a
porn
theatre an he has sex with a guy, although he does not want it until
"the
strange man=B4s hand unzips Philip=B4s and BURROWS into him."
I
wonder whether the verb "burrows into" (It sounds like
"Burroughs,
doesn=B4t
it?) is a textual reference to Naked Lunch to what happened to the
boys. I
have not read Naked Lunch yet, but as
far as I know they are kind
of
raped and die at the end of the story. Is there any other term (that is
perhaps
more often used) that describes fellatio, instead of to "burrow
into".
I guess
David Leavitt is pretty anti-beat.
Do you
think the latter clue has any sense, or am I overreading? I would be
grateful
for any comments.
Matthias
Schneider (Berlin)
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: la Repubblica quoted Wall Street Journal
WSB's obituary
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At
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"Michael
L. Buchenroth" <mike@BUCHENROTH.COM> wrote:
>Last
Saturday morning (Friday night) I read an article / bio / slam /
>insulting
and frightening propaganda bullshit narrowly filtered opinion
>in
the "Wall Street Journal" about Burroughs and the Beats, etc.
>***
[snipped
for brevity]
>
Friends,
the
newspaper "la Repubblica", printed in Rome (the 2th most
big
newspaper in Italy) today sunday 17th august 1997, has quoted the
Wall
Street Journal article concerned the William S. Burroughs' obituary.
*********************************************
Dopo i misurati elogi della stampa
"liberal",
il "Wall Street Journal"
parte all'attacco.
BURROUGHS, L'AMERICA SI DIVIDE
di Eugenio Occorsio
Era inevitabile che l'America
giungesse ad un
''redde rationem'' con William
Burroughs, il
controverso profeta della beat
generation morto
di infarto il 2 agosto nel Kansas
appena quattro
mesi dopo l'altro ''poeta maledetto''
Allen
Ginsberg. E' un processo tortuoso e
sofferto,
questa rivisitazione della figura
dell'autore
di ''Naked Lunch'', che si sta
consumando in
questi giorni insieme alle
celebrazioni di
Elvis Presley: il New York Times ha
pubblicato
un obituary volutamente asettico e
didascalico
pur definendolo ''scrittore
rinnegato'', il
Washington Post lo ha definito senza
mezzi termini
''una genuina icona culturale'', il
Los Angeles Times-
citando peraltro i tanti ammiratori da
Norman
Mailer a Lou Reed- ha riferito con
piu' convinzione
nei giorni successivi le serrate
critiche che lo
dipingevano come un ''ciarlatano
incomprensibile''.
Ma e' soprattutto il Wall Street
Journal, ultimo ma
non minore, a scagliarsi non solo
contro questo
''debosciato pornografo'' ma anche
contro il resto
della stampa americana, ''che lo ha
trattato come fosse
un'importante figura letteraria''.
''Burroughs, come prima di lui
Kerouac- scrive
ora il quotidiano- commetteva, fra le
tante, una
mistificazione: diceva di ispirarsi
allo scrittore
Jonathan Swift, per i suoi toni
satirici e disincantati.
Nulla di piu' sbagliato: Swift prende
le distanze
dalle aberrazioni e dalla degradazione
che dipingeva,
Burroughs invece vi e' immerso dentro.
E' un opportunista
che si autodefinisce ironico solo
perche' cosi' cerca
di proteggersi contro le azioni legali
a suo carico
per oscenita' ''. A differenza di
Swift, ''non ha
nessun ideale da contrapporre alle
brutture che descrive''.
Certo aggiunge il Journal, Burroughs,
come gli altri
Beats, ha lasciato il segno nella
cultura americana e
ha contribuito ad infrangere il muro
di "reticente
sensibilita'" che circondava la
pornografia. E la sua
"religione della droga" ha
fatto si' che di questa si
riuscisse a parlare con minore
reticenze. Ma il tutto
''non ha rappresentato un successo,
bensi' una penosa
degenerazione''.
copyright "la Repubblica"
domenica 17 agosto 1997, p.34
*******************************************************
i must
note that in the italian media (Tv & Press) WSB isn't caned,
here
there's an acceptance of the beat experience,
Rinaldo.
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What's the deal with the new format? Are we supposed to be doing
something
differently? I'd backchannel this to
Bill but I don't have his
address. My apologies for wasting bandwidth but
perhaps there are others
with
the same questions.
P.S. I
haven't noticed any difference in my mail from this list.
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After
someone dies, everything is written in the context of the fact that=
he
is
dead. All writings about Burroughs and Ginsberg now have an obituary f=
eel
to
them. These days, obituary feels hyped, forced, politically correct. S=
o I
was
interested to find these three older music reviews at Rolling Stone's
website
(http://www.rollingstone.com), written about three distinct music=
al
contributions,
as disparate as night and day, written at various times wh=
ile
William
was still alive.
His
influence is named, rather than claimed, in these reviews. I thought =
a
bunch
of us might enjoy them.=20
The
last sentence of the Iggy Pop review is a great philosophical stateme=
nt
that
must have been intimately understood both by WSB and Kurt Cobain. Ma=
ybe
it
should a tattoo inside the elbow-joint of everyone making art with wor=
ds
and
music in the nihilistic Nineties, right where that vein pops up.
Diane
De Rooy
........................
Clear
Bomb
the Bass
In
1988, Tim Simenon was a teenage DJ making cut-and-paste hip-hop single=
s in
the
style of fellow English mix masters Coldcut, S'Express and M/A/R/R/S.=
His
first
single, "Beat Dis," was intended to be a simple, faceless dance rec=
ord,
but it
wound up catapulting Simenon into Britain's suffocating pop spotli=
ght.
By
1993, the DJ and producer had released two albums in Britain, "Into th=
e
Dragon"
and "Unknown Territory," as Bomb the Bass.
Simenon
has returned with his third Bomb the Bass album, "Clear," and it
demonstrates
just how far he has come since those early days. The novelty=
of
samplers
has apparently worn off for Simenon, and what has emerged is a
proficient
sweep through dub reggae, hip-hop, jazz, techno and the litera=
ry
collection
of William S. Burroughs. With fewer electronic bites and more
original
instrumentation, "Clear" is Simenon's most sophisticated work to
date.
On
"Empire," an emotive ballad that plays on the similarity of the words
empire
and vampire in describing England as a bloodsucking entity, Sinead
O'Connor
duets with the delicate-voiced newcomer Benjamin Zephaniah to
beautiful
effect. But it's the Los Angeles rapper Justin Warfield who is =
most
responsible
for "Clear's" edgy, Beat-like quality. When Warfield waxes
lyrical
about Willy Wonka over Simenon's drug-addled bassoon foundation o=
n
"Brain
Dead" or flips the lines "Bug powder dust/To mugwump jism/The wild
boys
running/Round interzone trippin'," on "Bug Powder Dust," it's
appare=
nt
that
this music is a far cry from typical hip-hop fare.
The
album's smooth-flowing, laid-back jazz quality stands in stark contra=
st
to the
original European release of "Clear," which carried a frenetic pac=
e
similar
to flipping through television channels. Alternate versions - and
even
song omissions (including a contribution from the author Will Self) =
-
make
for an entirely different creation for the American audience, althou=
gh
both
albums are equally worthwhile.
On
"Clear," Bomb the Bass reaches well beyond the boundaries of the
trip-=
hop
appellation
to present tunes sweet to the ears and lyrics that stick in t=
he
mind.=20
--
TAMARA PALMER (RS 732)
.................................................
The
Chronic/Black Sunday
Dr.
Dre/Cypress Hill
Death
Row/Interscope/Columbia
Wrapped
in a Batman cloak of larger-than-life mayhem and straining its pa=
nts
with
adolescent horniness, it's beloved by millions, black and white; the=
y
devour
its percussive snap, crackle and pop. To adult white people, it's
anathema.
But California hardcore rap is simply one of the most imaginati=
ve
sounds
in the world today. Its radical wordplay mainstreaming the
scatological
cut-up poetics that William Burroughs debuted in the '50s, i=
t
hurdles
the aesthetic line in the sand that original rap drew when it beg=
an
to
rethink rhythm, compositional method and studio technique so decisivel=
y
that it
redefined the very perception of music itself. Along with the 12-=
tone
scale
of modern classical fare, Ornette Coleman's free jazz and the trium=
ph
of punk
attitude, the rap revolution is 20th-century fact.
At its
vanguard are the gangstas. Formerly of the trailblazing N.W.A, Dr.=
Dre
is the
form's wizard producer. High-volume hypnotism, "The Chronic," like=
the
marijuana
it's named for, alters the senses. Mixing loping beats, smooth =
and
gruff
voices from South Central, giggles, snarls and reggae intonations, =
it
updates
the aural movies P-Funk (and psychedelia) once made. Its sounds a=
re
as raw
and complex and real as life. The assaultive Dre and the more rela=
xed
Snoop
Doggy Dogg (the latter formally charged with murder in September) m=
ay
be, to
put it mildly, problematic souls, and romanticizing criminal behav=
ior
sucks.
This music, however, cannot be refuted =96 or easily forgotten.
With
"Black Sunday," Cypress Hill make baroque rap so arcane in its sampl=
es
(Bobbie
Gentry, Black Sabbath, Joe Zawinul) and verbal references (sumo
wrestling,
Louis Armstrong, "The Wizard of Oz") that the mind reels. This
crew,
too, is made up of potheads. And next to their musical inventivenes=
s,
black-Latino
hipness and zany comedy, most rappers seem as lame as old hi=
ppie
bands
did next to Frank Zappa. Skull-strewn, their album art looks B-movi=
e
Gothic,
but what's truly scary is their titanic, subversive intelligence.
--PAUL
EVANS (RS 672/673)=20
......................................
Naughty
Little Doggie
Iggy
Pop
If Iggy
Pop had died when most people expected him to -- back in the
mid-'70s,
from an overdose of bad drugs and stage violence -- we would
probably
be sitting around now wondering what kind of music he would have
made in
his middle age. But the heavy chemicals and broken glass didn't k=
ill
him,
and he's still cutting records, so here's your answer: In 1996, the =
Pop
is
still singing about pussy. About needing it, getting it and how just
thinking
about it is good for what ails him. With its hip-swing rhythm an=
d
irresistible
idiot-mantra chorus, "Pussy Walk" is top-grade, lowbrow lovi=
n'.
Because
in rock & roll, as in everything else, life is too short to waste=
on
double-entendre.
At 48,
Iggy Pop isn't punking out. "I'm better than a Pepsi/I'm cooler th=
an
MTV,"
he brags at the outset of "Naughty Little Doggie" over the shake 'n=
'
quake
of "I Wanna Live." "Step up, it's fight time/ Kick, scratch and
bit=
e
time."
He's as good as his word for the most part, turning on the power-e=
lite
pricks
in "Knucklehead" while losing himself in the burnt-heart howl of
"=
To
Belong."
And Iggy has not lost his lyric gifts for Burroughsian sleight o=
f
metaphor
-- "The music sounds like dead ham" ("Knucklehead") -- and
sly
menace.
"Strangle that rock & roll star," he sings on "Outta My
Head" wit=
h
just
the right trace of irony. "Make him eat jizz."
But
Iggy also carries the great weight of his own history; at this point =
in
his
life, nothing short of total meltdown on record would eclipse the Mol=
otov
cock
tales on "The Stooges," "Fun House" and "Raw Power."
And "Doggie" fi=
nds
him
struggling with the uneasy balance between the eternal joys of electr=
ic
fuck-you
rock & roll and singing about the hard truth of being an outlaw =
for
life --
that you'll probably die alone. Iggy almost nails it in "Outta My
Head"
with the wounded-animal way his voice bends slightly out of tune, b=
ut
the
song cries out for more explicit guitar madness, more real blood on t=
he
frets.
"Look
Away," though, is a potent admission of screwing up on China white =
and
cheap
attitude. Amid references to Johnny Thunders' fatal mixed-up confus=
ion
and
Iggy's own near-death experiences, electric and acoustic guitars blen=
d in
eerie,
milky strumming as Iggy intones the words "look away" like some Ze=
n
chant
and shows just how low you can go to get by. "I got lots of
feelings/But
I hold them down," he sings at the end. "That's the way I
cope/With
this shitty town."
If Iggy
had died ahead of schedule, he would just be another rock & roll
martyr.
Instead, the fun house is still open for business and, as he puts=
it
here,
"I'm deeper than the shit I'm in/An' I don't really give a damn."
Celebrity
is great, but survival is the best revenge.=20
--
DAVID FRICKE (RS 728)
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<< What's the deal with the new format? Are we supposed to be doing
something
differently? I'd backchannel this to
Bill but I don't have
his
address.>>
You
point directly to the difficulty with the return to the current (and
original)
format. Under the interim format we
have been operating under
for the
last few months the default address that appeared when you hit
your
"Reply" button was that of the person posting rather than the
list. If you felt that your reply should go to the
list rather than
only
that one individual it was easy to erase the "Mail to" address and
plug in
Beat-L from your address book. Under
this format the default
that
appears in your "mail to" space is the list address. It is easy to
change
that if you have the individual in your address book. If you
don't,
however, you have to copy the individual address from the message
and
plug it in. This format makes
backchannel harder unless the reply
is to
one of your regular on-line buddies.
I am
using the terms from Netscape mail, but most of the other mail
programs
have very similar functions.
What I
liked about the original format was that it made one think at
least
once about whether the reply was one that ought to go to all 200
or so
of us or was more personal or not global enough for the list.
This
reduced list traffic alot and encouraged backchannel both of which
were
good things in my view.
I think
some folks failed to understand how easy it was to plug in the
List
address or were using mail programs that may have made it harder.
This
produced lobbying for a change back to the original format. There
are
some that liked the personal tone and the sort of cyber soap opera
that
the original format seems to me to
create. I can like that too,
but it
takes a lot more time, and we keep losing good people from the
list
because they know they have work they ought to be doing and the
list makes
a marvelous excuse for not doing it.
The higher and more
frivilous
the post volume the greater the
incentive to leave and we all
lose
access to some wonderful expertise.
People keep leaving to finish
books. Those are the sort of people we most need on
Beat-L.
J.
Stauffer
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At 3:02
AM -0700 8/17/97, RACE --- wrote:
>
runner wrote:
>
> Mixed this all up with my working
>
> WSB ideas of the "big lie."
>
>
>
> http://www.electriciti.com/babu/images/Big_lie.html
>
>
>
> Douglas
>
>
>
> http://www.electriciti.com/babu/
>
>
I'm not certain that "lie" is it.
Unless the Lie is in only one angle
> on
truth. It doesn't seem to me a
particularly moralish notion as Lie
>
sometimes suggests - what constitutes the Big Lie is factually accurate
>
from a particular point of view, from a particular angle. What is
>
exposed is the multiplicity of angles.
yeah,
got to thinking about that "lie" part also. Was it similar to the
"original
sin"? Was it the "fall from
heaven" that is basically in every
religion
across the globe? As if by being
paranoid (as S.Dali does in his
paranoid-critical
method of painting), one is, as you say, exposed to
multiple
angels. angles.
that
you can't really trust anyone, and this is the foundation for
something
larger. Oh, I don't know. Have kinda
lost that train of
thought
now. But, aha! I now have a good set of questions to begin
"western
lands" with (and perhaps some q's on Bloom, too....)
>
> i
like your montage/collage. it reminded
me of an old friends stuff
>
that he used to send through the mail - addressing the backside of
>
something like that to friends.
Thanx! yes, part of the diatribe that followed in
my head rang with
Buckowski's
great line "too all my friends" (as superbly announced by M.
Rourke
in "Bar Fly"). And from
there, got to thinking about the big three
beats
and how they are now dead. all
dead. But not all dead. Wasn't it
Rinaldo
who posted the "who'se who" of beatness? All these people.
Including
Buckowski (sp?), I suppose. I guess I'm
saying that we have a
lot to
talk about. Or possible to talk
about. A lot of friends left on
the
table...
I'd
like to know who the beat artists were.
Robert Williams and S. Clay
Wilson
come to mind. Then there's the guy who
did Hunter S. Thomspon's
novels. The photographer Robert Frank has worked
with Patti Smith a few
times. Don't know if it's fair to include Robert
Mapplethorpe or Annie
Leibovitz
for their portraiture. Who else? Brion G. of course.
ah,
time to find some coffee. and perhaps a
used bookstore or two. Need
to find
a Yves Tanguey book!
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
Douglas
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ |
0 |
step
aside, and let the man go thru
| { - |
----> let the man go thru
| /\ |
super
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At 3:06
AM -0700 8/17/97, RACE --- wrote:
>
the idea of reading it with others seems a nice idea. i hope you decide
> to
read it.
>
>
this and the message to douglas are probably examples of what just as
>
well might be backchanneled ... i fall easily into the trap that the new
>
format creates and James Stauffer so elegantly slammed.
oh god,
what is the list thinking of me now?
another
round of arrows or a bbq in my honor?
oh,
it's a book signing, oh hell
I had
the same thoughts on my cutup thread with Bentz. How would we put
this
poem to music? Who cares?! I don't know. Am glad that it ended when
it did,
before someone pulled out the machete and started hacking their
computer
to death. Surprised James didn't write
me personally and tell me
to shut
the fuck up.
Basically,
I'd agree that the previous format was good for backchannelling.
I
actually liked it better that way myself.
so Bill Gargan, considering
your
email always bounces, I hope you're
reading this: add my vote to the
idea of
returning to the previous format. and
who knows, they might start
regulating
sperm any day now, too...
it's
the miracle of the lie. yep, that's
what Exene and Lydia Lunch, I
believe,
talked about when they cruised words and attitudes thru various
towns a
few years back. Trashing Courney Love,
the Unabomber, and the
media
that permeates this planet. How fashion
and their zero dollar
attitude
can revolutionize life. That if you
believe the big lies handed
down to
you, that god is good, that big government is out to protect you,
that
your doctor knows what's best for you, that that etc. just manhandled
here
and there without any factual support.
If you believe, then yes, you
are
saved.
>
>
david rhaesa
> salina,
Kansas
Douglas
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ |
0 |
step
aside, and let the man go thru
| { - |
----> let the man go thru
| /\ |
super
bon-bon (soul coughing)
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:18:36 EDT
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From: Bill Gargan
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Subject: new format
I want
to thank James for summing up the pros and cons of both the past
and
current "reply" formats. The
current format will make it easier for
those
who want to send their message to the whole list. However, this
means
that you have to think about whether you want your message to go
to the
whole list or just to the person sending the message. If people
begin
to post messages to the list that are intended only for the sender
or
begin to engage in private conversations on the list, then James is
right: the traffic on the list will become
overwhelmingand people who
find
their mailboxes full of irrelevant messages will sign-off the list.
I guess
if we find that this happens, we'll have to change the
"reply"default
back. Also, please remember when
replying to long
messages
to "snip" or summarize the message you're replying to rather
than
repeat the whole message as some people have been doing. This will
save us
all some time. Taking care to correctly
identify the "subject"
of your
message will also help, allowing those who are uninterested in
that
subject to delete your post without having to read it. I'm very
happy
to see some exciting threads developing and that we're back to
discussing
literature again.
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
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In a
message dated 97-08-17 13:30:06 EDT, you write:
<<
Also, please remember when replying to long
messages to "snip" or summarize the
message you're replying to >>
Yeah...
puhleeze...
Since
the posts come out of order frequently, it seems like it would be a
good
idea to make sure the original sender's name is in that line at the top,
the one
that says, "In a message dated x/y/z, Suzie Creemcheeze writes:"
instead
of that stock retort, which says only "...you write:".
That
way people can find the original post, in case it did arrive after the
reply.
But if
the only thing that results from the formatting discussion is a
cessation
of personal posts to the list, that will certainly be enough.
ddr
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I can
elect to reply to the poster or to all.
This was true under the
old
format too. I then can delete one if I
care to do so. The "old"
format
is easier to back channel. The new one
is more difficult to back
channel
but easier to reply to the list. Under
the old one, people
could
get messages twice when someone wanted to reply to the list and
hit
reply to sender and and all receipents.
So, it is possible to get
dual
messages when one forgets to erase the individual. To me, I don't
care. It just seems you make a choice for it to be
easier to back
channel
or easier to reply on the list. Either
way, duplicates or
undesirable
email will be in the mail box.
Bill, I
vote for either way and do not care. I
presume that you
switched
back because of requests. Now the other
side requests to go
back. Suits me either way.
And it
does seem that your email bounces. Why
is that?
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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I, for
one, am thrilled with the change back to original format. Thanks
Bill! I don't think it's terribly hard to remember
that your post is
being
read by 200+ people and should be written as such.
DC
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RACE wrote:
>
What i am
>
suggesting also in no way is a claim that your current reading is a
>
misunderstanding or misconception. Rather what i'm trying to find the
>
words to breakthrough with here is that the beginning section can be
>
read as developing a far more general theory concerning addiction and
>
control and even Control with a capital "C". Such a reading views the
>
poetry of junk as a poetic example of the larger notion.
> The particular kind of vicious cycle
described here is a
>
powerful
>
general theory which can be translated across addictions and even as
>
far
> as
considering addictions to the virus of words and the control of
>
space/time and the addiction to finding immortality. Throughout the
>
writings of WSB, it always seems to me, that coming back to these
>
beginnings in Naked Lunch can provide a powerful lens into the future
>
project.
It is
easy to view the beginning of Naked Lunch as about junk literally,
and on
another level, as a breaking down of society as a whole into
groups
that feed and play off one another in terms of who has control and
who is
caught in the mirky depths of no control, those people scattered
about,
needing the kind of hand-me-downs, caught in the you-get-
only-what-we-want-you-to-have
spiral. Space/time distortions are
evident
in the
movement of the narrator. There is an analysis of need that
transcends
time and place, so to speak. I'm having trouble here, early
on
though, in having any grasp your "virus of words" concept.
>
The second thing is that the technique employed in developing Naked
>
Lunch of cut-up (cut and paste, splice, word montage - whatever) both
>
presents a clear picture and something of a non-linear image that
>
breaks
>
through pre-recordings. In reading WSB,
one can merely accept the
>
pre-recording of the book as published or appreciate this version and
>
also glance around the montage of words for portraits of further
>
meanings yet to be exposed.
I am
trying to be open to all possible meanings as I read this. Is
Burroughs'
pre-recorded universe the comings and goings of daily life,
touched
as it is by the element of fate? The
individuals in the junk
(broadly
used) world he is writing about seem to have little power to
ease
the futility of their situation. Does
the narrator have power in
his
observations and the words he uses, or is he merely a scribe forced
to
write about that which he cannot change?
DC
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RACE wrote:
>
I'm not certain that "lie" is it.
Unless the Lie is in only one angle
> on
truth. It doesn't seem to me a
particularly moralish notion as Lie
>
sometimes suggests - what constitutes the Big Lie is factually accurate
>
from a particular point of view, from a particular angle. What is
>
exposed is the multiplicity of angles.
Maybe
I'm missing something but where did this idea of the Big Lie come
from? It seems to me that Burrough's notion of the
universe is equal
part
big lie and big truth. The notion of a
creator playing with the
creation
comes to mind. There's a natural order
of things and an
inversion
of the natural order of things.
DC
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Greetings!
1) I
like the new format (that is, the old format to which we have
returned);
2)
regarding the romantic possibility that Burroughs died because his
true
love Ginsberg died: as Jake says in the conclusion of Hemingway's
_The
Sun Also Rises_, "Isn't it pretty to think so."
Jack
Kerouac: "Unrequited love's a bore."
3)
regarding C. Plymell's "remorsing" over the number of dead animals
on the
road, you might find amusing the following poem of mine published
in the
_Kentucky Poetry Review_ (Fall/Winter 1989/1990):
SIGNS
GAME
CROSSING the sign read--
I
imagined them hunkering across
I-80:
Monopoly, Clue, Backgammon, Chess.
The
chicken that crossed the road
to tell
a joke. Debris is grimmer:
prairie
dogs crushed on the pavement (blackbirds
dart
down, daring the traffic for a carcass
morsel),
and wolves, raccoons, and skunks
punctuate
the margin of the highway.
Were
they thrown there by the impact,
or did
they drag their battered bodies
there
to die, escaping further
shame
as tire-desecrated corpses,
cantilevered
jaws agape in deadly empty screams?
Cordially,
Mike
Skau
8/17/97
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Also,
please remember when replying to long
messages
to "snip" or summarize the message you're replying to rather
than
repeat the whole message as some people have been doing. This will
save us
all some time. Taking care to correctly
identify the "subject"
of your
message will also help, allowing those who are uninterested in
that
subject to delete your post without having to read it. I'm very
happy
to see some exciting threads developing and that we're back to
discussing
literature again.
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I don't
know if all editions of Naked Lunch have the same page numbers,
but
this passage is on pages 19-20. It
seemed important, beyond
elements
of pot paranoia, and effective, but I can't explain why. Is
Jane is
real-life wife? Does anyone have any
ideas about interpretation?
"...Jane
meets a pimp trombone player and dissappears in a cloud of tea
smoke. The pimp is one of these vibration and
dietary artists--which
means
he degrades the female sex by forcing his chicks to swallow all his
shit. He was continually enlarging his
theories...he would quiz a chick
and
threaten to walk out if she hadn't memorized every nuance of his
latest
assault on logic and the human image...He was a ritual tea smoker
and
very puritanical about junk the way some teaheads are. He claimed
tea put
him in touch with supra blue gravitational fields. He had ideas
on
every subject: what kind of underwear was healthy, when to drink
water,
and how to wipe your ass. He had a
shiny red face and great
spreading
smooth nose, little red eyes that lit up when he looked at a
chick
and went out when he looked at anything else.
His shoulders were
broad
and suggested deformity. He acted as if
other men did not exist,
conveying
his restaurant and store orders to male personnel through a
female
intermidiary. And no Man ever invaded
his blighted, secret place.
So he
is putting down junk and coming on with tea.
I take three drags,
Jane
looked at him and her flesh crystallized.
I leaped up screaming 'I
got the
fear!' and ran out of the house. Drank
a beer in a little
restaurant--mosaic
bar and soccer scores and bullfight posters--and
waited
for the bus to town.
A year
later in Tangier I heard she was dead."
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I like "There's a natural
order of
things
and an inversion of the natural order of things." I feel that
best
sums
up the
world NL takes place in: if not
the
inversion of the natural order of
things,
then certainly the world (or his
view of
the it) turned inside out (?). The
negative
of what we perceive as reality.
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In a
message dated 97-08-17 16:58:34 EDT, you write:
<< Who cares?!
I don't know. Am glad that it
ended when
it did, before someone pulled out the machete
and started hacking their
computer to death. Surprised James didn't write me personally and tell me
to shut the fuck up. >>
Is this
a disease of newsgroups? This pissy, petulant sarcasm launched
against
even the slightest of rubs?
This is
the kind of crap that has made me sign off three times so far.
Douglas,
shut the fuck up, okay?
diane
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This
actually is beginning to read more like scenes from a movie script,
or
maybe it's just that the content of Benway reminds me of some old
fuzzy
Planet of the Apes movie. Close to
walking through the wards of an
ugly
insane asylum but I'm always wondering why the narrator is on the
outside
looking in. Couple of things to note:
pg. 37
"Gentle
reader, the ugliness of that spectacle buggers description. Who
can be
a cringing pissing coward, yet vicious as a purple-assed mandril,
alternating
these deplorable conditions like vaudeville skits? Who can
shit on
a fallen adversary who, dying, easts the shit and screams with
joy?
[this was reminiscent stanzas of Howl that all being with who,
and
especially where Ginsberg writes, "Who let themselves be fucked in
the ass
by saintly motorcyclists and screemed with joy"] Who can hang a
weak
passive and catch the sperm in his mouth like a vivious dog? Gentle
reader,
I fain would spare you this, but my pen hath its will like the
Ancient
Mariner. Oh Christ what a scene is
this! Can tongue or pen
accommodate
these scandels? A beastly young
hooligan has gouged out the
eye of
his confrere and fuck him in the brain. 'This brain atrophy
already,
and dry as grandmother's cunt."
You
have to admire Burroughs vivid descriptions, although it's hard to
figure
out what brings about these visions where everything is out of
Control:
"Rock
and Roll adolescent hoodlums storm the streets of all nations.
They
rush into the Louvre and throw acid on Mona Lisa's face. They open
zoos,
insane asylums, prisons, burst water mains with air hammers, chop
the
floor out of passenger plane lavatories, shoot out lighthouses, file
elevator
cables to one thin wire, turn sewers into the water supply,
throw
sharks and sting rays, electric eels and candiru into swimming
pools
(the candiru is a small eel-like fish or worm about one-quarter
inch
through and two inches long patronizing certain rivers of ill repute
in the
Greater Amazon Basin, will dart up your prick or your asshole or a
woman's
cunt faute de mieux, and hold himself there by sharp spines with
precisely
what motives is not known since no one has stepped forward to
observe
the candiru's life-cycle in situ), in nautical costumes ram the
Queen
Mary full speed into New York Harbor, play chicken with passenger
planes
and buses, rush into hospital with white coats carrying saws and
axes
and scalpels three feet long; throw paralytics out of iron lungs
(mimic
their suffocations flopping about on the floor and rolling their
eyes
up), administer injections with bicycle pumps, disconnect artificial
kidneys,
saw a woman in half with a two-man surgical saw, they drive
herds
of squeeling pigs into the Curb, they shit on the floors of the
United
Nations and wipe their asses with treaties, pacts, and alliances."
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On the
Road, pg. 39, when he is describing Dean's (Neal's) father,
Kerouac
writes, "His father, once a respectable and hardworking tinsmith,
had
become a wine alcoholic, which is worse than a whiskey alcoholic..."
>From
Kerouac's descriptions in all the later books, he was himself always
drinking
wine and not whiskey. Why is a wine
alcoholic worse than a
whiskey
alcoholic? Any ideas?
DC
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Diane
De Rooy wrote:
>
>
This is the kind of crap that has made me sign off three times so far.
>
>
Douglas, shut the fuck up, okay?
>
Diane,
Thanks
for rising to my defense. Hadn't
noticed doug's little poke
before
you pointed it out because I had been instantly deleting him--as
you
tend to do with folks who post so much that they need several
different
addresses to avoid having any problems with the ten post
limit,
or whatever it is.
Was it
Yeats who said, "The best lack all conviction/ While the worst
are
full of a passionate intensity"?
J
Stauffer
>
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it all
sounds like changing seats on the titanic, to me.
hey DC!
mc
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ok,
just mustered home from the movie, "event horizon". some comments:
ok,
perhaps in the battle of death vs aesthetics, I am willing to concede
that
death has the final hand.
<<perhaps>> movie
questions the big lie,
technology,
human experience, and the reaches of understanding. Very
similar
to Lem's "solaris" (and as filmed by Tarkovsky).
you
build a machine, you keep secrets, you explore. thing returns with
life of
own. Crew destroyed by madness and
their own hells. The machine
is
alive, sir. The machine is alive. "do you see?" "yes, I see".
oh, how
technology is used to enhance our lives.
this goes without
question. optimism has seen blood shed, has become
academic shooting
galleries. heroine for the brain. william tell for the soul. fuck you,
fuck
you.
oh, I
have to admit the movie scares me.
Scares me like Naked Lunch scares
me. Remember making it thru half of the book and
then putting it down,
running
in horror. Still don't think I have
enough of a grip on life to
read it
again.
and
then writing out of it. believing that
creativity is the life raft of
a
consciousness. not blocking its
progress with the whatfors, the
questions
of what makes _its_ inner workings tick.
This is another lie.
That
outside of technology, outside of humour, outside of it all, there
rests
another solution. Well, I guess there
are solutions. There are
fail-safe
plans. And the overrides? What of them? The machine is alive,
I tell
you. Do you see? "yes, I see".
Oedipus
and his mother, his father, his adopted parents, his children.
Fucking
tragic tale. Wish I knew more about
it. How it relates to the
popcorn
I was eating, how it relates to the lady behind me who jokingly
remarked
to her companion, "ah, the best capitalism has to offer". What is
that, I wondered, not wanting to turn around and
ask.
and in
this chaotic vision, there are those that refuse to return. those
will
live. yes, those that will life. Probably why in pre-enlightened
days,
such knowledge was preserved in a few people, knowledge was granted
over
time in strict, controlled ways. All of
that is gone now. Reading
before
the movie a new book by Todd Oldham, fashion designer. He's talking
about
how 100, no 30 years ago, "creativity" must have been different. No
pressing
techo eyes forcing their, causing your own eyes to bug out. He
says
that only he, he has survived because of an "idiot savant" tendancy.
just
flits and trusts his way around. Takes
care of his people, I imagine.
and
it's why I think literature and all it's cracked up to be on this list
is such
a big houey. Life is bigger than a few interesting
posts on
"literature". Oh, so glad to be talking about
"literature" again. Just an
academic
shooting gallery for control freaks, IMHO.
been there, done that,
and
don't want to return just yet, thank you.
Oh, I don't know. I don't
know.
am
wondering if and what WSB would have said.
Does Naked Lunch have a
happy
ending? Thinking about a question Diane
Carter asked a while back
regarding
Kerouac and his view of the world?
Something like, "where has
the joy
in the joy/darkness paradigm gone?".
Hm. You create something to
run
away from something else. And what
you've created begins a life of
it's
own. And then wham bam thank you mame,
you're back where you started
from. The vicious cycle. the vicious cycle.
so what
role does death play? The movie
"event horizon" gives a few clues
in that
direction. It fuels the fire is all I
can say. all I can say
without
rambling on more. without bringing in
other references. Fire walk
with
me. Firewalker.
returning
to the son, I used to be. Hell me, I'm
falling....
>>
Douglas
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step
aside, and let the man go thru
| { - |
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>In
a message dated 97-08-17 13:30:06 EDT, you write:
>In
a message dated x/y/z, Suzie Creemcheeze writes:
>If
the only thing that results from the formatting discussion is a
>cessation
of personal posts to the list, that will certainly be enough.
>
>ddr
>
What's a "personal post"? I've got an idea but it's making me giggle.
If it's left to the individual subscriber to
decide what is
list-pertinent,
there's still no way to avoid getting messages which may be
better
sent privately [like that one which told Douglas (I believe it was)
to
"shut the fuck up"].
Anyway, I'm all for the new format as I
understand it. It's no different.
People
are going to be shits under any format.
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James Stauffer wrote:
>
Was it Yeats who said, "The best lack all conviction/ While the worst
>
are full of a passionate intensity"?
Yes, in
his poem, The Second Coming. He also
said in the same verse:
"The
falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things
fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere
anarchy is loosed upon the world"
DC
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I have
posted Publisher Weekly's review of Some of the Dharma:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page3.html
Please
send me any clippings of this book via e-mail for web page posting.
Thanks,
Paul of The Kerouac Quarterly. . .
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What
was the extent of the relationship with, or the influence of, the
beats
and Lou Reed?
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Thanks
for this Paul,
The
Kirkus review was strange in its' hostility.
That
bothers me none. I have no problem with
opinions. But in this case
the
writers ignorance was shown.
He/She
wrote that it seemed Kerouac was trying to imitate Burroughs cut-up
technique.
kerouac
was working on this between 53 and 55 or so, a number of years
before
Burroughs began the cut-up as we know it.
The
writer acts as if kerouac read Burroughs books or something and was
imitating
them.
At
07:42 PM 8/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I
have posted Publisher Weekly's review of Some of the Dharma:
>
>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page3.html
>
>Please
send me any clippings of this book via e-mail for web page posting.
>
>Thanks,
Paul of The Kerouac Quarterly. . .
>
>
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At
06:04 PM 8/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks
for this Paul,
>
>The
Kirkus review was strange in its' hostility.
>
>That
bothers me none. I have no problem with
opinions. But in this case
>the
writers ignorance was shown.
>
>He/She
wrote that it seemed Kerouac was trying to imitate Burroughs cut-up
>technique.
>
>kerouac
was working on this between 53 and 55 or so, a number of years
>before
Burroughs began the cut-up as we know it.
>
>The
writer acts as if kerouac read Burroughs books or something and was
>imitating
them.
>
>
>At
07:42 PM 8/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I
have posted Publisher Weekly's review of Some of the Dharma:
>>
>>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page3.html
>>
>>Please
send me any clippings of this book via e-mail for web page posting.
>>
>>Thanks,
Paul of The Kerouac Quarterly. . .
>>
>>
>Yes.
. .it was a very slanted view from what seemed to be a critic
disturbed
by Kerouac's seemingly misogynistic tone "PRETTY GIRLS MAKE GRAVES
F**K
you all"
It is
best not to approach such a biased review intellectually. Kerouac put
up with
such nonsense (i.e. Norman Podhoretz for example) all his life. I
think
Some of the Dharma tops the best of his published works. It is a
searching,
mature, experimental writer we are reading by this time (mid -
1950's).
Best,
Paul. . .