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Age is
irrelevant....remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking
was in
his mid20's. The OTR movie wont work
unless someone really
intense
with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.
Viewers have to
understand
and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.
In short
the character needs to be larger tha
life, and there is no way
an
unknown actor could pul that off. The
Dean part is one of the most
ocveted
in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the
only
actors in the world who could play the part right.
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I agree
with Richard for the same reasons and especially for the convincing
portrayal
in "Dead Man..."
Antoine
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Do any of you know who's been cast in
any of the other roles?
Nicholas
Cage might make a good Dean/Neal as well.
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At
04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Age
is irrelevant....
Kerouac's
desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and
Marlon
Brando to play the Dean part.
Well,
Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.
I say
they use Brando.
>remember
that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking
>was
in his mid20's. The OTR movie wont work
unless someone really
>intense
with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.
Viewers have to
>understand
and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.
>
>In
short the character needs to be larger tha
life, and there is no way
>an
unknown actor could pul that off. The
Dean part is one of the most
>ocveted
in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the
>only
actors in the world who could play the part right.
>
>RJW
>
>
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> At
04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Age is irrelevant....
>
>
Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and
>
Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.
>
>
Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.
>
> I
say they use Brando.
alittle
bit of makeup will do wonders!
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I agree
with gallaher. Penn is too old now but
he would have been great ten ye
ars
ago. He also wanted to play Phil Ochs
in a movie they've been talking abou
t making
almost as long as they've been talking about making on the road. I th
ink he
would have given one hell of a performance.
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I don't
care who plays who, just as long as Leonardo DiCaprio isn't in the
movie.
. . did any see him in "Total
Eclipse." He played Rimbaud, I
wasn't
impressed at all.
Take it
easy, all,
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I think
the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked
(except
of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray
the
angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't
the
story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a
special
world.
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>At
04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Age
is irrelevant....
>
>Kerouac's
desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and
>Marlon
Brando to play the Dean part.
>
>Well,
Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.
>
>I
say they use Brando.
>
>
>>remember
that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking
>>was
in his mid20's. The OTR movie wont work
unless someone really
>>intense
with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.
Viewers have to
>>understand
and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.
>>
>>In
short the character needs to be larger tha
life, and there is no way
>>an
unknown actor could pul that off. The
Dean part is one of the most
>>ocveted
in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the
>>only
actors in the world who could play the part right.
>>
>>RJW
>>
>>
I
believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean
Moriarty
and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to
get
back into Stanley Kowalski physique.
leo
"Let
us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of
your
path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,
you may
present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly
will.
Ad astra per aspera." --Jack
Kerouac
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>>I
think Penn might bed one of the only actors in the world who could play
the
>>part right.
>>
>>RJW
>>
Robin Wright Penn? That's the most novel suggestion I've heard so far.
Have a
woman play the part of Neal/Dean/Cody.
James M.
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I just
read an article dedicated to burroughs in the latest Rolling Stone
magazine.
It did present old bull lee as the anarchist "shakespeare" that
i so
dearly describe him as. The writer (who's name escapes me) took a lot
of info
from Morgan's "literary outlaw" without quoting the man (although
towards
the end he did give credit to the book). I held my breath while
reading
it and finally exhaled at the end. The article also had some
quotes
from Corso and Lou Reed. I am not a fan of Rolling Stone by far
but the
article (3 pages which should have been
at least 20) did give
Bill
some justice. Also, unlike many articles, this one did not emphasize
or
glamorize Bill's drug habit in order to catch the eye of the
uninformed
reader. Hell, even Herbert Hunke was mentioned as he should
have
been.
as for
the OTR movie, cast Buscemi as Old Bull Lee, then start filming
Junky.
David Lynch would do a great job directing a Burroughs-inspired movie.
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James
William Marshall wrote:
>
>
>>I think Penn might bed one of the only actors in the world who could
play
>
the >>part right.
>
>>
>
>>RJW
>
>>
> Robin Wright Penn? That's the most novel suggestion I've heard
so far.
>
Have a woman play the part of Neal/Dean/Cody.
>
>
James M.
ACTUALLY
I think it would make a great sister film, I would much prefer
to see
all the cast as women, it would put an
edge and glory to it.
patricia
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In a
message dated 97-08-27 00:27:48 EDT, someone (I forget who) wrote:
<<
The OTR movie wont work unless someone really
>intense with a really strong presence
plays Neal/Dean. >>
Right.
Like anyone could ever actually make a movie of On The Road.
I say,
"The OTR movie won't work. Period. The whole idea is a dog. Makes me
ill to
imagine it."
Remember
"Heart Beat?" Stinko, yucko, gag me.
I saw
some other movie/documentary where someone played jack's character. Oy
vay.
Puhleeze.
Now, I
may have to eat my words someday, because I almost didn't go see
"Cuckoo's
Nest" because I couldn't imagine that weasly little Jack Nicholson
playing
McMurphy (hey, this was a long time ago). Now I couldn't imagine
anyone
BUT Jack Nicholson playing him.
Neal
might be doable... but jack... no way. Stare at that face, listen to
that
voice, try to crawl into that mind (mined with mines). Find one actor
today
who can convince me he's jack kerouac, or even anything close to that.
I'm not
an Elvis fan, but there's a good example. No one can be Elvis, no
matter
what. Same with John Lennon. Hell, they couldn't even get someone
remotely
close to being able to portray Leno or Letterman in that stupid
cable
movie (great book, though). How about Michael J. Fox playing that
tortured
fact-checker in "Bright Lights, Big City?" (another great book, well
worth
reading, and no, McInerney ain't Beat) Over and over and over again,
film
gets books wrong.
The
prime objective of theater (film, acting, magic) is to suspend disbelief.
In the
case of bringing Dean Moriarty and Sal Paradise to "life," this can't
be done
on film. It was already done, magnificently, perfectly, wholly holy,
in the
book, in our heads. Any movie done of this book, starring anyone at
all,
will most likely suck canal water. I'd rather go to the movie theater in
my
mind...
diane
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P.A.Maher
wrote:
>
> I
think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked
>
(except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?
Maybe
Milos Forman should direct it then...he hasn't lost his touch.
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this is
too much of a coincidence. i just now
finished watching The Funeral
(director
Abel Ferrara). the scenes in the
beginning with Vincent Gallo and
Paul
Hipp reminded me of Sal and Dean. then
i thought, i wonder if they'll
ever
make a movie of On The Road. but then
thought that might be a bad
idea,
it could never compare to the book and some movies of books just
shouldnt
be made. anyway, immediately after The Funeral was over, i had to
come on
to the computer to e-mail a friend about it. and that is when i saw
all
these e-mails about the OTR movie for the first time. i never even
heard
of there being an OTR movie before.
that's too odd. i must have been
called
upon to tell you all this.
i dont
like the idea of Penn, Brando (too old now isnt he?), or Cage playing
Dean.
boring. Watch The Funeral (and pay
close attention to Paul Hipp and
also
the scene of Johnnie (Gallo), Ghouly (Hipp) and the woman on the bed )
and you
will see what i mean--men like Gallo and Hipp must play the parts of
Sal and
Dean. but then im not so sure
anyone could measure up to my
perception
of Sal and Dean or the book. by the
way, i saw Leonardo
DiCaprio
in Total Eclipse and thought it was good. he made me hot anyway.
but i
dont think he'd be right for the OTR movie either.
At
11:06 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>At
04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Age
is irrelevant....
>>
>>Kerouac's
desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and
>>Marlon
Brando to play the Dean part.
>>
>>Well,
Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.
>>
>>I
say they use Brando.
>>
>>
>>>remember
that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking
>>>was
in his mid20's. The OTR movie wont work
unless someone really
>>>intense
with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.
Viewers have to
>>>understand
and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.
>>>
>>>In
short the character needs to be larger tha
life, and there is no way
>>>an
unknown actor could pul that off. The
Dean part is one of the most
>>>ocveted
in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the
>>>only
actors in the world who could play the part right.
>>>
>>>RJW
>>>
>>>
>
>I
believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean
>Moriarty
and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to
>get
back into Stanley Kowalski physique.
>
>leo
>
>
>
>"Let
us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of
>your
path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,
>you
may present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly
>will.
Ad astra per aspera." --Jack
Kerouac
>
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At
12:39 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I
think the biggest problem with this casting is that Penn is too old.
>
>Cassady
was in his early twenties and Kerouac in his mid twenties when the
>events
were happening.
>
>The
actors should reflect the youth.
>
>At
11:58 AM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>someone
told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal
>>cassady/dean
moriarty role in the OTR movie. I think
he'd been as good a
>>choice
as anyone. Wonder if he's into the
beats though?
>>
>>RJW
>>
>>
>
I agree
Penn is too old. Is Coppolla still in
control
of this
movie. I don't think this is his kind
of material.
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At
02:38 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>At
04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Age
is irrelevant....
>
>Kerouac's
desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and
>Marlon
Brando to play the Dean part.
>
>Well,
Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.
>
>I
say they use Brando.
>Very
funny, and right up Copolla's alley, too.
He then could
make
seedy James Caan Dean Moriarty.
Mike
Rice
>
>>remember
that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking
>>was
in his mid20's. The OTR movie wont work
unless someone really
>>intense
with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.
Viewers have to
>>understand
and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.
>>
>>In
short the character needs to be larger tha
life, and there is no way
>>an
unknown actor could pul that off. The
Dean part is one of the most
>>ocveted
in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the
>>only
actors in the world who could play the part right.
>>
>>RJW
>>
>>
>
>
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At
09:42 PM 8/26/97 -0000, you wrote:
>I
don't care who plays who, just as long as Leonardo DiCaprio isn't in the
>movie.
. . did any see him in "Total
Eclipse." He played Rimbaud, I
>wasn't
impressed at all.
>
>Take
it easy, all,
>
>Bruce
>
>
I was
not impressed with DiCapricio UNTIL I saw him in Total Eclipse.
He was
great and so was that film.
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At
11:33 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I
think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked
>(except
of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray
>the
angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't
>the
story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a
>special
world.
>
>
Now
that you have mentioned One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, you've opened the
way for
me to say something I have been wanting to say about it for years. Its
central
character, Jack Nicholson, was more interesting and less cliche than
Kesey's
McMurphy. I think an irishman who acts
like an irishman is bowing to
one of
the oldest cliches in stagecraft, and I was grateful for the Nicholson
performance.
Mike
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At
09:20 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>I
think Penn might bed one of the only actors in the world who could play
>the
>>part right.
>>>
>>>RJW
>>>
> Robin Wright Penn? That's the most novel suggestion I've heard so far.
>Have
a woman play the part of Neal/Dean/Cody.
>
>
James M.
>
>
I was
going to phone this one in too. I saw
her in that terrible Moll Flanders
a week
ago, though there was nothing wrong with her performance, it wasn't
great.
She is
one of the best actresses acting in films today. I saw her in Playboys,
a loose
remake of The Quiet Man. She was
superb.
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hello
beats,
here a
list of novels translated into movie that,
i
think, the efforts have been valid:
"Shining"
by Stanley Kubrick,
the
movie is better than the Stephen King's novel.
"Blade
Runner" by Ridley Scott
(credits
for the title to William S. Burroughs),
the
movie is wonderful equal to
Philip
K. Dick's novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep."
"One
Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" by Milos Forman
&
Ken Kesey's novel are both excellent.
the
translation of a novel from a language to another,
i.e.
american into any other language, is the most way
a lot
of people around the world read the Beat Lit & it's good
if the
translator (or the director, speakin'bout film)
matchs
& loves the atmosfere (the time) when the action has happened.
-*-
after
the Ginsberg's death went out a new italian translation of
"Howl"
& "Kaddish" intended to bring up to date the original
1968
(so called old italian translation).
words
that are actually using in italian language dont' match
the
"old" poem, & in order to modernize a work the result, in
my
opinion, is disappointing.
-*-
im'
afraid at the moment when an italian translator got an idea to
give to
italians a "modernized" translation of "On The Road"...
saluti,
Rinaldo.
*
a
century ago, Leoncavallo's "La Boheme" (1897),
the
Leoncavallo opera it gave Caruso his first real boost to fame
*
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>Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>>
>>
Michael Stutz wrote:>
>>
> Memory seems to be at the heart of all pain. So painkilling medicide tends
>>
> to affect the memory centers of the brain, and "time heals all
wounds." To
>>
> forget then is what heals. Does Love help us to forget?
>>
>
>>
> m
>>
patricia writes
>>
I in my life, i found that love helped me realize memory. Oh\only
>>
thorugh forgiveness and love can i stand to remember,and i find my
>>
memories fuller. It is when i can't find any love that i block things.
>>
the only part of the memory that is lessened is how much it hurt. But
>>
i was a youth so full of anger that i
would have dreams of axing people
>>
to death and didn't consider them nightmares.
This is not a beat
>>
response. of william , i always though
his goals was to see.
>>
p
>
>i'm
with the sunflowers on this one.
REAL-eyes memory
>
>david
rhaesa
>salina,
Kansas
>
>"all
in a Day's work" Doc Benway
so what
is Alzheimers ? Bliss? To be rhetorical I don't think so. No
memory
but all of those emotions to confront the overwhelming present and
no
mechanism by which to remember the last five seconds. Selective
forgetfulness
can be quite useful, however.
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Each
month The Kerouac Quarterly will post a paperback cover of different
Kerouac
novels. If you have one for posting please e-mail me the scan and I
will
post it. I will do it more frequent when there are enough for me to
warrant
so. Thanks, Paul of TKQ....
Go to:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page4.html
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26 Aug 1997, P.A.Maher wrote:
> I
think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked
>
(except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray
Actually,
supposedly Ken Kesey has never seen the movie version of "One
Flew
Over the Cuckoo's Nest", because he was so disgusted with the
casting
of Jack Nicholson as McMurphy. McMurphy
was supposed to be a
tough
atheletic guy like himself, not a little guy like Nicholson.
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many posts to beat-l !!!!
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What I
want to know is where are they going to get the sound track? The
soundtrack
is crucial: Wardell Grey, Dexter
Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie
Holiday. Seems to me that whoever directs, whoever acts,
whoever
photographs
must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have
Kerouac's
ear ?
The ear
was his dominant sense.
PW
>this
is too much of a coincidence. i just
now finished watching The Funeral
>(director
Abel Ferrara). the scenes in the
beginning with Vincent Gallo and
>Paul
Hipp reminded me of Sal and Dean. then
i thought, i wonder if they'll
>ever
make a movie of On The Road. but then
thought that might be a bad
>idea,
it could never compare to the book and some movies of books just
>shouldnt
be made. anyway, immediately after The Funeral was over, i had to
>come
on to the computer to e-mail a friend about it. and that is when i saw
>all
these e-mails about the OTR movie for the first time. i never even
>heard
of there being an OTR movie before.
that's too odd. i must have been
>called
upon to tell you all this.
>i
dont like the idea of Penn, Brando (too old now isnt he?), or Cage playing
>Dean.
boring. Watch The Funeral (and pay
close attention to Paul Hipp and
>also
the scene of Johnnie (Gallo), Ghouly (Hipp) and the woman on the bed )
>and
you will see what i mean--men like Gallo and Hipp must play the parts of
>Sal
and Dean. but then im not so sure
anyone could measure up to my
>perception
of Sal and Dean or the book. by the
way, i saw Leonardo
>DiCaprio
in Total Eclipse and thought it was good. he made me hot anyway.
>but
i dont think he'd be right for the OTR movie either.
>
>At
11:06 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>At
04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>Age
is irrelevant....
>>>
>>>Kerouac's
desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and
>>>Marlon
Brando to play the Dean part.
>>>
>>>Well,
Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.
>>>
>>>I
say they use Brando.
>>>
>>>
>>>>remember
that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking
>>>>was
in his mid20's. The OTR movie wont work
unless someone really
>>>>intense
with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.
Viewers have to
>>>>understand
and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.
>>>>
>>>>In
short the character needs to be larger tha
life, and there is no way
>>>>an
unknown actor could pul that off. The
Dean part is one of the most
>>>>ocveted
in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the
>>>>only
actors in the world who could play the part right.
>>>>
>>>>RJW
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>I
believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean
>>Moriarty
and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to
>>get
back into Stanley Kowalski physique.
>>
>>leo
>>
>>
>>
>>"Let
us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of
>>your
path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,
>>you
may present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly
>>will.
Ad astra per aspera." --Jack
Kerouac
>>
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>
What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track? The
>
soundtrack is crucial: Wardell Grey,
Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie
>
Holiday. Seems to me that whoever
directs, whoever acts, whoever
>
photographs must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have
>
Kerouac's ear ?
>
The ear was his dominant sense.
> PW
I agree
but since this movie will have youth appeal the studio supposedly
wants a
contemporary rock soundtrack (it will sell albums...jus t think,
the
"On the Road" soundtrack with Pearl Jam and REM .etc) But I dont
think
Kerouac even liked rock music...oh well
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: On the Rote?
Thank
god someone has a sense of humor...
>From
http://www.c3f.com/holywood/ontheroa.html
.............................................................................
Hollywood's
Coming!
Films
with Internet Retrofits
1. ON
THE ROAD
Production:
American Zoetrope/Vanguard Films
Director:
Francis Ford Coppola
Screenplay:
Michael Herr
Stars:
Tom Hanks as Jack Kerouac, Tom Cruise as Ginsberg, Sylvester Stallone
as
Burroughs, Sandra Bullock as Neal Cassady
Status:
Pre-production
Cyber
Elements Added to Storyline:
One
night, Ginsberg reveals to Kerouac that he's really a cyborg shaman
kickboxer
from the future of another planet, and he's brought a wireless
satellite
cable/modem settop box with him, which they immediately install in
the
back seat of Neal Cassady's '49 Mercury.
As they
drive across country, Kerouac gets on Usenet and reads aloud from
alt.books.beatgeneration
and everybody gets depressed and tries, but fails,
to
smash into a tree when it's his turn to drive.
Potential
Problems:
Coppola
wants to shoot entire film in Vietnam during Monsoon season, to get
authentic
"jazz improvisatory" feel of the beatnik era.
Bullock
threatening to pull out if Winona Ryder doesn't replace Hanks as
Kerouac.
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>I
think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked
>(except
of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray
>the
angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't
>the
story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a
>special
world.
Good
point.
Matt
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Right. Like anyone could ever actually make a movie of On The Road.
>
> I
say, "The OTR movie won't work. Period. The whole idea is a dog. Makes me
>
ill to imagine it." . . .
I'd rather go to the movie theater in
> my
mind...
>
I
heartily agree with Diane here. Some
good books get made into good
movies,
but the movies do this by changing the book and making it
cinematic. The mediums are too different. Books are about words.
Movies
are about pictures. Movies can never
select detail in the ways
books
do and language other than straight dialog gets lost. I can enjoy
the
movies if I don't know the book, but if I do I am almost always
dissapointed. People have nominated Cuckoo's Nest. I'd nominate
Kubricks
Lolita, but it still, even with Nabokov on the screenplan, is
not the
same thing as the book.
Leave
OTR alone. Make a "road"
movie that's a movie. The all girl one
sounds
good to me.
J.
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There
is no actor working today with the combination of mind and
masculinity
that these roles would require. The
type is dead. Clift
and
Brando, maybe--but Penn?, Cage? etc.
Hopeless.
J.
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On Tue,
26 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
>
someone told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal
>
cassady/dean moriarty role in the OTR movie.
I think he'd been as good a
>
choice as anyone. Wonder if he's into
the beats though?
>
>
RJW
>
In my
opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to
play
Dean. Remember, OTR features one slice
of Neal's life. Yes his past
and
absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to
bother
Sal more than it does Dean. Dean is the
joyful, vibrant,
angel-headed
hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.
jenn
thompson
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On Tue,
26 Aug 1997, P.A.Maher wrote:
> I
think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked
>
(except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray
>
the angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't
>
the story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a
>
special world.
>
I tend
to agree. Kerouac's works are ambrosia;
each word is precious;
somehow,
a film cannot fully catch the magic.
Jenn
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Subject: Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?
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Any
thought on Cronnenberg's Naked Lunch. I loved the way he fused
the
biographical details around the actual writing of the work with
the
ideas and characters contained within.
I for
one think this movie works well.
Opinions????????????
Daniel
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>
What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track? The
>
soundtrack is crucial: Wardell Grey,
Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie
>
Holiday.
Has
anyone ever compiled a Beat required-listening list with album specifics
etc.?
This would be useful.
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From: Gary Mex Glazner <PoetMex@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?
Comments:
To: ljilk@mail.mps.org
Lots of
people will discover OTR
through
a movie being made of the book.
Of
course the movie will suck.
especially
for those few fans who
really
love Jack and crew.
There's
my 2 cents
yours
as always in the store
Gary
Mex Glazner
Headless
Buddha
http://www.well.com/user/poetmex
PS my
company Words on Wheels
is a
distributor of poetry and
spoken
word recordings, we
have
quite a few beat recordings.
With a
new box-set of WSB
set for
release in the fall.
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27 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
> I
agree but since this movie will have youth appeal the studio supposedly
>
wants a contemporary rock soundtrack (it will sell albums...jus t think,
>
the "On the Road" soundtrack with Pearl Jam and REM .etc)
Pearl
Jam in On the Road? Ew this is getting gross. I thought maybe one way
they
could make a decent movie out of it would be to make it all modern,
don't
even try to make it look like the time period it was written in, and
use a
lot of special effects and visuals (hazy sunsets driving with
panoramic
views, real fast sections of roadside blur for like 5 minutes of
film,
club scenes with color hues and mixture of Super8, video and 35mm,
just
all kinds of weird tricks to get the tone of the words or of trying to
"find"
that feeling of on the road, most of the film either music or
voice-over
reading sections of the book). Maybe modern music in a context
like
this but Pearl Jam?
One of
my favorite times for film was the late 60s/early 70s. They made a
lot of
experimental stuff back then, and so much of it came out great. Even
big
films, like _2001..._, _A Clockwork Orange_, even _Jaws_ (not
experimental
really but good).
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>
Any thought on Cronnenberg's Naked Lunch. I loved the way he fused
>
the biographical details around the actual writing of the work with
>
the ideas and characters contained within.
> I
for one think this movie works well.
Just
saw this again a few weeks ago after not having seen it since it came
out in
'92. Bill, Jack, Allen (Martin) -- didn't look like any of them! But
this
was good, as it wasn't a straight-on run-through of the book but more
on the
_writing_ of the book, I think. Typewriter roaches kind of cute, and
the
voice reminded me of the "Bob" voice in _12 Monkeys_ (can't put my
finger
on it, but for me this "Bob" voice always had a kind of Burroughs
feel to
it also). Loved the abstract color blotches in the intro and the
Interzone
ending. And the scene with Joan getting high off bug powder was a
riot.
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Subject: Re: list of jazz albums
One shouldnt be limited to the music of
the times if OTR is made into a
movie.
Certainly scenes should reflect the caracters listening to the music
as far
as story line goes but the idea of beat-music extends past that era to
include
much more such as the Dead ,Patti Smith,Lou Reed,and Tom
Waites.Others
I'm sure I missed and can be added.Can I do the sound track?
Your
Indulgence
JD
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>
the idea of beat-music extends past that era to include much more
<snip>
oh,
definitely. i'm interested in something else here though: the specific
music
that influenced the beat writers when they were writing their works.
for
instance exactly what music is listed in OTR and what are the
recommended
albums for checking it out? etc.
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Jazz
yes but remember the book! Kerouac even
wrote what music was playing.
from
part 4 chap. 5--"..we wanted to hear mambo music and came back with a
stack
of records, mostly by Perez Prado....."More Mambo Jambo,"
"Chattanooga
de
Mambo," "Mambo Numero Ocho"-all these tremendous numbers
resounded and
flared
in the golden, mysterious afternoon like the sounds you expect to
hear on
the last day of the world and the Second Coming...." and i am quite
sure
R.E.M. could come up with something amazing for the sdtrk. or maybe
they'd
be good for a different road movie. i
still have my doubts of an OTR
movie
being made. it's a dangerous
thing. please no Penn or Cage.
At
10:10 AM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>What
I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track? The
>soundtrack
is crucial: Wardell Grey, Dexter
Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie
>Holiday. Seems to me that whoever directs, whoever
acts, whoever
>photographs
must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have
>Kerouac's
ear ?
>The
ear was his dominant sense.
>PW
>
>
>>this
is too much of a coincidence. i just
now finished watching The Funeral
>>(director
Abel Ferrara). the scenes in the
beginning with Vincent Gallo and
>>Paul
Hipp reminded me of Sal and Dean. then
i thought, i wonder if they'll
>>ever
make a movie of On The Road. but then
thought that might be a bad
>>idea,
it could never compare to the book and some movies of books just
>>shouldnt
be made. anyway, immediately after The Funeral was over, i had to
>>come
on to the computer to e-mail a friend about it. and that is when i saw
>>all
these e-mails about the OTR movie for the first time. i never even
>>heard
of there being an OTR movie before.
that's too odd. i must have been
>>called
upon to tell you all this.
>>i
dont like the idea of Penn, Brando (too old now isnt he?), or Cage playing
>>Dean.
boring. Watch The Funeral (and pay
close attention to Paul Hipp and
>>also
the scene of Johnnie (Gallo), Ghouly (Hipp) and the woman on the bed )
>>and
you will see what i mean--men like Gallo and Hipp must play the parts of
>>Sal
and Dean. but then im not so sure
anyone could measure up to my
>>perception
of Sal and Dean or the book. by the
way, i saw Leonardo
>>DiCaprio
in Total Eclipse and thought it was good. he made me hot anyway.
>>but
i dont think he'd be right for the OTR movie either.
>>
>>At
11:06 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>At
04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>>Age
is irrelevant....
>>>>
>>>>Kerouac's
desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and
>>>>Marlon
Brando to play the Dean part.
>>>>
>>>>Well,
Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.
>>>>
>>>>I
say they use Brando.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>remember
that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking
>>>>>was
in his mid20's. The OTR movie wont work
unless someone really
>>>>>intense
with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.
Viewers have to
>>>>>understand
and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.
>>>>>
>>>>>In
short the character needs to be larger tha
life, and there is no way
>>>>>an
unknown actor could pul that off. The
Dean part is one of the most
>>>>>ocveted
in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the
>>>>>only
actors in the world who could play the part right.
>>>>>
>>>>>RJW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>I
believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean
>>>Moriarty
and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to
>>>get
back into Stanley Kowalski physique.
>>>
>>>leo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Let
us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of
>>>your
path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,
>>>you
may present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly
>>>will.
Ad astra per aspera." --Jack
Kerouac
>>>
>
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In a
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<<
Great catch. Didn't someone here say they saw the original OTR scroll and
the real names (Neal and Carolyn) were on
there?
>>
The On
The Road Scroll did have (at least the part that I saw) the real
names.
It used the name Neal. The beginning of the scroll is a little
different
then the beginning of the book.
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<<
> Don't use the telephone
>
People are never ready to answer it.
>
Use poetry. --- Jack Kerouac, 1970.
How on earth did JK say this in 1970?
>>
I think
he called collect.
I heard that in 1996 Jack said, "Don't
ever read your e-mail without having
your
finger on the delete button. You might actually read something you
didn't
want to" (I believe he said that in early June).
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Reading
through the comments on filming OTR, I couldn't help remembering
that a
discussion of FFC's OTR was among the firt threads on Beat-l.
I'd go
for contemporary music primarily, but I'd sure like to open or
close
the film with the electric version of Aztec Two Step's song about
Dean
Moriarty.
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I think
the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the
opening
and closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady
walking
shirtless on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks
rightbefore
his death.
The
movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the
book
narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad tracks.
RJW
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I found
the postcard that has the picture of the scroll on it, it's done by
FotoFolio
in NY, NY....not sure if that's the rights-holder to the picture or
the
printer of the postcard. It does have
the name Neal on it and it also says
"I
first met Neal not long after my father died.". Can anyone in NYC find out
if this
is part of a series, maybe even a postcard book of some kind. The
scroll
looked to be in pretty bad shape (of course it was done on paper that
wasn't
meant to last....) I hope it's stored
properly.
love
and lilies,
Matt H.
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In a
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<<
Great catch. Didn't someone here say they saw the original OTR scroll and
the real names (Neal and Carolyn) were on
there?
>>
The On
The Road Scroll did have (at least the part that I saw) the real
names.
It used the name Neal. The beginning of the scroll is a little
different
then the beginning of the book.
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Hi all
you jazz fans....not to mention fans of other related Beat genres!
[Bruce Hartman, Ron Kovachs and others
should chime in here also!]
I'll offer up the playlists from two
compilations that I've made up
that
were trying to capture that taste and time. I'd add that there are some
others
who didn't make it onto the list like Lester Young, Billie Holiday,
Art
Tatum, Duke Ellington and the exemplars of vocalese, scat, wordjazz,
hipsemantic,
and bebop vocals like King Pleasure, Leo Watson, Mel Torme (the
'Velevet
Fog'), Ken Nordine, and Eddie Jefferson. They're on a third
playlist
that's harder to get at right now.
I'll also recommend Owen Thomas' book
"Bebop:...(forget subtitle)"
for
those who really want to immerse themselves . He starts with Charlie
Parker
and deals with every other important bebop jazz player and their
influences,
by instrument.
For the Beat pure of heart, the Venice
Biennale Discography is
pretty
complete and I'll e-mail a copy if anyone is real keen. And to quote
Howard
Park:
"Anybody with an interest in the
spoken word and audio of the Beat
Generation
should consider picking up a copy of
Stephen Ronan's "Disks of the=
Gone
World", a 135 page compendium,
involving a lifetime of research, of
information about Beat audio. This is THE discography of the Beat
Generation
covering the "big three" and
poets like Bremser, Bukowski, McClure
and
tens
of others. Its more than just a list, it has all sorts of other
info
too.
Contact Stephen Ronan at P.O. Box
5813, Berkeley, CA, 94705 (he's
not online)
or e-mail me for price."
Regards, Antoine
The two playlists are:
***************
+++...from
the gone world. =95 22
Side
1 Antoine Maloney / 9th June, 1996
big
high song for somebody (Philip Whalen)
Roy Glenn 1958=7F
Epistrophy
(Monk - Clarke) Thelonius Monk w/
Milt Jackson on vibes 1948
Travellin'
Blues Bulee
=93Slim=94 Gaillard 1945
Cosmic
Rays Charlie Parker
Quartet 1952
State &
32nd Kenneth
Rexroth1956 or =9159
Picasso Coleman
Hawkins 1948
9th
& Hennepin Tom
Waits=7F
Clarinet
with dripping faucet (recorded by Tony Schwartz) Jimmy Giuffre 1959
dog
(Ferlinghetti) Bob
Dorough 1958
Up
Broadway Moondog
[Louis Harden] 1956-57
Street
Scene 1955
Bird's
1968
The
Bridge Lee Ranaldo
1985
Drums
in my typewriter Woody Leafer 1958
Bomb Gregory
Corso 1965
H-Bomb Lord Buckley
1960
Midnight
Sun Lionel Hampton
1956-57
Side 2
The
Bird Charlie Parker 1947
Yip Roc
Heresy Bulee =93Slim=94
Gaillard 1951
Like Jack
Hammer 1959
Cockroach Jack Kerouac 1962
The
Hipster's Blues - Opus 7=BD Harry =93The Hipster=94 Gibson 1944
Invitation
to the Blues Tom Waits
Blues
Montage Langston
Hughes with Leonard Feather 1958
Manhattan
Fable Babs Gonzalez 1954
Little
Man Teddy Edwards with Tom Waits
October
in the Railroad Earth Jack Kerouac and
Steve Allen March 1958
On the
Nickel Tom Waits
Thelonius
Thelonius Monk 1947
****************
+++Bebop,
Beat, and Hipsemantic =95 29
Side
1 Antoine Maloney / 28th March, 1997
On The
Bean (Walter Thomas) Coleman Hawkins
with Thelonius Monk 1944
In
Walked Bud (Monk) Thelonius Monk with
Art Blakey 1947
Evidence
(Monk) Thelonius Monk
with Milt Jackson 1948
=93Monk
is dead...Monk lives!=94 Clifton
Joseph 1995
Bloomdido
(Parker) Thelonius
Monk, Charlie Parker, Dizzy
Gillespie,
Buddy Rich
1950
Celia
(Powell) Bud Powell,
Ray Brown, Max Roach 1949
Koko
(Parker) Charlie
Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach=
1945
Slim=92s
Jam (B.Gaillard) Slim Gaillard,
Zutty Singleton, Jack McVie, Dizzy,
Parker,
Roach
1945
=93The
Early History of Bop=94 Jack Kerouac
with Steve Allen 1958
Ornithology
(Parker - Harris) Parker, Miles Davis,
Dodo Marmarosa 1946
Slam,
Slam Blues (S.Stewart) Dizzy, Parker,
Slam Stewart, Red Norvo 1945
=93Take
note daddy-o!...=94 Langston Hughes
with Charles Mingus Quintet 1958
...and Jump Monk (Mingus) ...fragment
Side 2
Misterioso
(Monk) Thelonius Monk with Milt Jackson 1948
Now=92s
The Time (Parker) Charlie Parker
with Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis,
Max
Roach
1945
=93Charlie
Parker....=94
Jack Kerouac with Steve Allen 1958
Blues
Walk (C.Brown) Clifford Brown, with
Max Roach, Harold Land, 1955
Take
The A Train (Billy Strayhorn)
George Morrow and Richie Powell 1955
=93The
Train=94 Lord Buckley
1956
=93Penn
Station...to Harlem=94 Langston Hughes
with Charles Mingus Quintet=
1958
=93...Dizzy Gillespie...Lennox
Avenue=94
=93I play it cool, I dig all jive!=94
The
Naz Lord
Buckley 1959
Sightseeing
Boogie (B.Gailard) Slim Gaillard 1945
Yardbird
Suite (Parker) Charlie Parker, with Miles Davis and Dodo Marmarosa=
1946
=93...loved
that ol=92 Pontiac... =94 Tom Waits
1987
Duet:
Queen Elizabeth whistle and Bamboo Pipe
Moondog [Louis Harden] 1956
Symphonique
#6 (Good for Goody) ...fragment 1968
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to=
do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
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At
10:23 AM 8/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On
Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
>
>>
someone told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal
>>
cassady/dean moriarty role in the OTR movie.
I think he'd been as good a
>>
choice as anyone. Wonder if he's into
the beats though?
>>
>>
RJW
>>
>In
my opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to
>play
Dean. Remember, OTR features one slice
of Neal's life. Yes his past
>and
absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to
>bother
Sal more than it does Dean. Dean is the
joyful, vibrant,
>angel-headed
hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.
>
>jenn
thompson
>
>
The
right actor for Sal is either Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves.
I can't
think of a sparkplug active enough to play Dean, Dean
Dean
that God Damn Dean!
Mike
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At
04:39 PM 8/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Any
thought on Cronnenberg's Naked Lunch. I loved the way he fused
>the
biographical details around the actual writing of the work with
>the
ideas and characters contained within.
>I
for one think this movie works well.
>
>Opinions????????????
>
>Daniel
>
>I
liked the film alright, but not for its relation to Naked Lunch.
I
didn't really think it was first rate, but I liked it. The film
I liked
that went nowhere was The Sheltering Sky based on Paul Bowles
novel.
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You
know, I'm thinking they should select off-beat
pop
music from the era, which is what I suspect the
beats
would do. Perez Prado fits
perfectly. The white
tin pan
alley pop era between the end of War 11 and Elvis
had a
lot of interesting stuff in it down below the McGuire
sisters
and Eddie Fisher. The Forties and
Fifties are
beginning
to be forgotten, but they could be marvelously
evoked,
with a soundtrack contemporary to that time.
Mike
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At
02:26 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I
think the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the
>opening
and closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady
>walking
shirtless on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks
>rightbefore
his death.
>
>The
movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the
>book
narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad tracks.
>
>RJW
>
>
I think
Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book. I do
like
the idea of doing it in black and white, though.
Mike
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I
wouldnt put music over the closing credits...I'd put a live recording
of
Ginsberg reading "Howl"
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04:42 PM 8/27/97 Mike Rice wrote:
>>In
my opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to
>>play
Dean. Remember, OTR features one slice
of Neal's life. Yes his past
>>and
absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to
>>bother
Sal more than it does Dean. Dean is the
joyful, vibrant,
>>angel-headed
hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.
>>
>The
right actor for Sal is either Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves.
>I
can't think of a sparkplug active enough to play Dean, Dean
>Dean
that God Damn Dean!
Oh,
anyone but Keanu "Wooden Boy" Reeves!!! His performance in Johnny
Mnemonic
was like a cardboard cutout..
I personally prefer Billy Crudup as Sal
Paradise. He was great in
"Inventing
the Abbotts" and has a real presence about him that reminds me
of
Jack.
As for Dean, Peter Berg has the right energy,
but I'm not sure he's a
strong
enough actor for the role. Or maybe for
a real sparkplug, you could
try
Henry Rollins...he's definitely got the verbal rhythm.
I can
visualize Sam Shepard as Bull Lee - strong and classy.
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04:42 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At
10:23 AM 8/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>On
Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
>>
>>>
someone told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal
>>>
cassady/dean moriarty role in the OTR movie.
I think he'd been as good a
>>>
choice as anyone. Wonder if he's into
the beats though?
>>>
>>>
RJW
>>>
>>In
my opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to
>>play
Dean. Remember, OTR features one slice
of Neal's life. Yes his past
>>and
absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to
>>bother
Sal more than it does Dean. Dean is the
joyful, vibrant,
>>angel-headed
hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.
>>
>>jenn
thompson
>>
>>
>The
right actor for Sal is either Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves.
>I
can't think of a sparkplug active enough to play Dean, Dean
>Dean
that God Damn Dean!
>
>Mike
Rice
>
i too
was thinking of Johnny Depp as Sal.
he's a great actor. he'd have to
cut his
hair though. yes Mike, Perez Prado-i
already wrote that, and he's
even
mentioned in the book. but i dont think
Keanu could play Sal. how
about
Chris Isaak. he acts too you know. and he looks a lot like Kerouac.
he
could just dye his hair darker.
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>I
think Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book. I do
>like
the idea of doing it in black and white, though.
>Mike
Rice
I was waiting for someone else to bring
this up. Neal's death would
certainly be outside the scope of
OTR. My question is, not having
read everything by everyone (yet), did
any of the Beats ever write
about the death of a fellow Beat--or
about death in specific at all
(excepting the David Kamererr (sp)
episode)?
love and lilies,
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sean penn has for years talked about
playing the title role in a
movie
based off the life of cult-icon folksinger phil ochs. i think that
alone
substantiates his interest in beat and beat-influenced artists. as
far as
his being the right person to act in the movie i doubt he could do
much
worse than keanu reeves. besides with the inclusion of penn in the
movie
it is certain to do fairly well at the box office. depp couldn't
hurt
either. but chances are, and i hold my breath that it isn't, that the
role of
sal will go to the lead singer of bush, gavin something or other.
his
hollow angst should translate well to the junior teens that would
surely
flock to go see him. i don't see entertainment executives passing
on an
idea like that.
and if you wanted to add to the
clift/brando pair, sal mineo
wouldn't
hurt as ginsberg.
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well i
dont know if it counts or not, in that specific question - but
Ginsbberg
wrote A LOT about the death of cassady (rememberances, etc) and
kerouac.
kesey wrote "the day superman died" about cassady's death (first
appeared
in rolling stone, as far as i know - and now collected in _demon
box_).
ferlinghetti wrote poem about allen's death. theres gotta be
more...
yrs
derek
On Wed,
27 Aug 1997, MATT HANNAN wrote:
>
>
>I think Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book. I do
>
>like the idea of doing it in black and white, though.
>
>Mike Rice
>
> I was waiting for someone else to bring
this up. Neal's death would
> certainly be outside the scope of
OTR. My question is, not having
> read everything by everyone (yet), did
any of the Beats ever write
> about the death of a fellow Beat--or
about death in specific at all
> (excepting the David Kamererr (sp)
episode)?
>
> love and lilies,
>
> matt h.
>
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Donald
Allen
Amari
Baraka (Leroi Jones)
Paul
Blackburn
Robin
Blaser
Bonnie
Bremser
Ray
Bremser
Chandler
Brossard
Charles
Bukowski
William
S. Burroughs { 5 Feb 1914 - 2 Aug 1997 }
William
S. Burroughs Jr.
Lucien
Carr
Paul
Carroll
Louis R
Cartwright
Carolyn
Cassady
Neal
Cassady { 8 Feb 1926 - 4 Feb 1968 }
Andy
Clausen
Gregory
Corso
Robert
Creeley [Black Mountain School]
Henry
Cru
Diane
DiPrima
John
Doe
Kirby
Doyle
Robert
Duncan [Black Mountain School]
Bob
Dylan
William
Everson (Brother Antonus)
Richard
Farina
Lawrence
Ferlinghetti
Charles
Foster
Allen
Ginsberg { 3 Jun 1926 - 5 Apr 1997 }
John
Giorno
Brion
Gysin
William
Inge
John
Cellon Holmes
Herbert
Huncke
Ted
Joans
Joyce
Johnson
Lenore
Kandel
Bob
Kaufman
Jack
Kerouac { 12 Mar 1922 - 21 Oct 1969 }
Jan
Kerouac
Ken
Kesey
Seymour
Krim
Bob
Kaufman { 18 Apr 1925 - 12 Jan 1986 }
Tuli
Kupferberg
Joanne
Kyger
Philip
Lamantia
Jay
Landesman
Fran Landesman
Timothy
Leary
Lawrence
Lipton
Malcom
Lowry
Norman
Mailer
Gerard
Malanga
Edward
Marshall
Joanna
McClure
Michael
McClure
Taylor
Mead
David
Meltzer
Jack
Micheline
Henry
Miller { 26 Dic 1891 - 8 Jun 1980 }
John
Montgomery
Harold
Norse
Frank
O'Hara
Charles
Olson [Black Mountain School]
Peter
Orlovsky
Kenneth
Patchen
Stuart
Z. Perkoff
Charles
Plymell
Dan
Propper
Kenneth
Rexroth
Hugh
Romney
Michael
Rumaker
Ed
Sanders
Hubert
Jr. Selby
Gary
Snyder
Carl
Solomon
Jack
Spicer
Hunter
Stockton Thompson
Charles
Upton
Janine
Pommy Vega
Alexander
Trocchi
Anne
Waldman
Lewis
Warsh
Alan
Watts
Lew
Welch
Philip
Whalen
John
Wieners
William
Carlos Williams
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Hello!,
i'm
listing the beat generation
(writers
& painters & performers)
& i
begin with a list, everyone
interested
can propose a new name.
http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/home.htm
thanks,
Rinaldo
Rasa.
28th
august 1997, Venice-Mestre, Italy.
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i can
sleep well tonight. if there is to be
an On The Road movie, then let
Chris
Isaak play Sal, he looks so much like Kerouac and he has always
reminded
me of a handsome actor out of the 1940s and '50s. he does act, he
isnt
just a singer. if not him, then Depp.
now
about Dean. the only sexy angel headed
man with that kind of energy
and
passion i know of is Michael Stipe.
many agree w/me that he is the
sexiest
man alive. On The Road is the only
book Stipe has read more than
once
(or so ive read). he is on the tribute
to Kerouac c.d. Kicks Joy
Darkness. this proves his interest in Kerouac and On
The Road. Stipe has
acted
in atleast one movie, i know this for sure.
he's also produced
movies. if pop stars are to play the parts of Sal
and Dean, please let it
be
Issak and Stipe. i hate Bush.
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On Thu,
28 Aug 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
>
Charles Olson [Black Mountain School]
I
confess, I never understood his poetry. I don't know how to read it.
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And
don't forget Corso's wonderful "Elegiac Feelings American" for Jack.
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>
well i dont know if it counts or not, in that specific question - but
>
Ginsbberg wrote A LOT about the death of cassady (rememberances, etc) and
> kerouac.
kesey wrote "the day superman died" about cassady's death (first
>
appeared in rolling stone, as far as i know - and now collected in _demon
>
box_). ferlinghetti wrote poem about allen's death. theres gotta be
>
more...
>
yrs
>
derek
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>well
i dont know if it counts or not, in that specific question - but
>Ginsbberg
wrote A LOT about the death of cassady (rememberances, etc) and
>kerouac.
kesey wrote "the day superman died" about cassady's death (first
>appeared
in rolling stone, as far as i know - and now collected in _demon
>box_).
ferlinghetti wrote poem about allen's death. theres gotta be
________
(hideous
no-win noise of hideous tv game shows) splat!
insp d:
still
outside the scope of the book.
i still
say it is impossible to do, and am awaiting its prat-fall. can't
imagine
what would be left out, how to get into sal's head ... as he is NOT
moriarty
but rather sal caught up in moriarty's life..
blecchh.
mc
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To Edward Dahlberg by Jack Kerouac
Don't use the telephone.
People are never ready to answer it.
Use poetry.
1970
from "Scattered poems",
1970, 1971 (c) The Estate of Jack
Kerouac.
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At 12:01
AM 8/28/97 +0200, you wrote:
>William
S. Burroughs { 5 Feb 1914 - 2 Aug 1997 }
>William
S. Burroughs Jr.
>Lucien
Carr
How
'bout Caleb Carr, Lucien's son. I see
Kerouac's daughter and Burrough's
son
made the list.
Too bad
Ginsberg didn't have any kids.
>Jack
Kerouac { 12 Mar 1922 - 21 Oct 1969 }
>Jan
Kerouac
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I can't
register William Inge as a beat. Please
explain.
Mike
Rice
At
12:01 AM 8/28/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Donald
Allen
>Amari
Baraka (Leroi Jones)
>Paul
Blackburn
>Robin
Blaser
>Bonnie
Bremser
>Ray
Bremser
>Chandler
Brossard
>Charles
Bukowski
>William
S. Burroughs { 5 Feb 1914 - 2 Aug 1997 }
>William
S. Burroughs Jr.
>Lucien
Carr
>Paul
Carroll
>Louis
R Cartwright
>Carolyn
Cassady
>Neal
Cassady { 8 Feb 1926 - 4 Feb 1968 }
>Andy
Clausen
>Gregory
Corso
>Robert
Creeley [Black Mountain School]
>Henry
Cru
>Diane
DiPrima
>John
Doe
>Kirby
Doyle
>Robert
Duncan [Black Mountain School]
>Bob
Dylan
>William
Everson (Brother Antonus)
>Richard
Farina
>Lawrence
Ferlinghetti
>Charles
Foster
>Allen
Ginsberg { 3 Jun 1926 - 5 Apr 1997 }
>John
Giorno
>Brion
Gysin
>William
Inge
>John
Cellon Holmes
>Herbert
Huncke
>Ted
Joans
>Joyce
Johnson
>Lenore
Kandel
>Bob
Kaufman
>Jack
Kerouac { 12 Mar 1922 - 21 Oct 1969 }
>Jan
Kerouac
>Ken
Kesey
>Seymour
Krim
>Bob
Kaufman { 18 Apr 1925 - 12 Jan 1986 }
>Tuli
Kupferberg
>Joanne
Kyger
>Philip
Lamantia
>Jay
Landesman
>Fran
Landesman
>Timothy
Leary
>Lawrence
Lipton
>Malcom
Lowry
>Norman
Mailer
>Gerard
Malanga
>Edward
Marshall
>Joanna
McClure
>Michael
McClure
>Taylor
Mead
>David
Meltzer
>Jack
Micheline
>Henry
Miller { 26 Dic 1891 - 8 Jun 1980 }
>John
Montgomery
>Harold
Norse
>Frank
O'Hara
>Charles
Olson [Black Mountain School]
>Peter
Orlovsky
>Kenneth
Patchen
>Stuart
Z. Perkoff
>Charles
Plymell
>Dan
Propper
>Kenneth
Rexroth
>Hugh
Romney
>Michael
Rumaker
>Ed
Sanders
>Hubert
Jr. Selby
>Gary
Snyder
>Carl
Solomon
>Jack
Spicer
>Hunter
Stockton Thompson
>Charles
Upton
>Janine
Pommy Vega
>Alexander
Trocchi
>Anne
Waldman
>Lewis
Warsh
>Alan
Watts
>Lew
Welch
>Philip
Whalen
>John
Wieners
>William
Carlos Williams
>-*-
>Hello!,
>i'm
listing the beat generation
>(writers
& painters & performers)
>&
i begin with a list, everyone
>interested
can propose a new name.
>http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/home.htm
>thanks,
>Rinaldo
Rasa.
>28th
august 1997, Venice-Mestre, Italy.
>-*-
>credits
to
>Richard
M. Kershenbaum <r-kershenbaum@UKANS.EDU>
>OHearn <orpheus@in.the.shadows>
>David
Schwarm <dschwarm@sun3.lib.uci.edu>
>-*-
>
>
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Subject: Q
Magazine/Kesey
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There
is a small article on Kesey in the latest ish of
Q
Magazine (UK rock mag)
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Are any
of you as excited as I am about Some of the Dharma being published?
I am
surprised how excited I am. I heard
about this book years ago in the
biographies
and remember thinking why can't they publish it.
And now
it is being published. I see at
amazon.com the publication date is
September
but the Barnes and Noble site has it as August. I saw that the
OTR
40th anniversary was also listed this same way--and I saw that book at
vromans
books, so I figure Some of the Dharma should be out.
Has
anyone actually seen it in a bookstore (I know some have received
advance
copies).
And
Life magazine has an issue out of photos of the people of the century.
In the
originals section they have a picture of kerouac (looks like it's
from
his early 60's Lowell days). The
commentary is by Ken Kesey quoting
him
about how Kerouac never put anyone down in all of his writing.
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Oh ye
of little faith! ....it could turn out
fine!
What about "Sheltering Sky"
or "The English Patient"? ...or the
movies
mentioned by Adrien and others? ...was
"Il Postino" a book first? If
so, it
must have been dyn-o-mite by Matt and Paul's logic.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
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Richard,
Your post really made me excited about
the prospect of a film if it
could
use ideas like this and some of the others posted.
- Antoine
*********
I think
the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the opening
and
closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady walking
shirtless
on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks right before
his
death.
The
movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the
book
narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad tracks.
*********
I
wouldnt put music over the closing credits...I'd put a live recording
of
Ginsberg reading "Howl"
**********
the electric version of Aztec Two Step's song
about Dean Moriarty.
**********
mambo
music and came back with a
stack
of records, mostly by Perez Prado....."More Mambo Jambo,"
"Chattanooga
de
Mambo," "Mambo Numero Ocho"-all these tremendous numbers
resounded and
flared
in the golden, mysterious afternoon like the sounds you expect to
hear on
the last day of the world and the Second Coming...."
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It's
out! You should be able to find it at
better bookstores. I thin Waterrow
has copies too. I sure was excited when I got my hands on a copy but I was a
little
disappointed by some of what I learned from reading it. It's essentiall
y a
notebook and will be most appreciated by those with an in-depth knowledge o
f
Kerouac's life and work. Doubtless,
there are those who will disagree with m
e but I
have to say it certainly isn't a major work in the sense that it will w
in
Kerouac any new readers. It is
important for the light it sheds on Kerouac'
s life
and work in the years when he was struggling with poverty and rejection.
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> At
02:26 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I think the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the
>
>opening and closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady
>
>walking shirtless on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks
>
>rightbefore his death.
>
>
>
>The movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the
>
>book narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad
tracks.
>
>
>
>RJW
>
>
>
>
> I
think Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book. I do
>
like the idea of doing it in black and white, though.
>
>
Mike Rice
black
and white visions of cody! with the only color being redbricks!
seriously
though, neal on the tracks would be a very powerful scene
and i
agree with mike- it should not be in otr. just imagine it in
voc
though.
randy~
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Both
new titles are widely available in Barnes and Noble.....buy SOTD first
for
some of Jack's most profound and intelligent utterings in print...almost
compared
to the holy Psalms I saw written by him in his journals at the
Kerouac
estate. Both SOTD and the journals I saw give testament to how holy
a man
Jack really was.Jack has a whole notebook on Psalms and prayers
written
by him in a Catholic vein. When these journals finally are
published...this
will show Jack for the true genius he really is. On the
Road
does not do this man justice.
regards to all tonight,
Paul of TKQ...
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
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>
>>
What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track? The
>>
soundtrack is crucial: Wardell Grey,
Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie
>>
Holiday. Seems to me that whoever
directs, whoever acts, whoever
>>
photographs must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have
>>
Kerouac's ear ?
>>
The ear was his dominant sense.
>>
PW
>
>
>I
agree but since this movie will have youth appeal the studio supposedly
>wants
a contemporary rock soundtrack (it will sell albums...jus t think,
>the
"On the Road" soundtrack with Pearl Jam and REM .etc) But I dont
>think
Kerouac even liked rock music...oh well
Seems
like if the movie communicated the kind of rapture Neal and Jack got
from
jazz we could have a Renaissance in the idiom.
I know movie execs
don't
think like that, but some might take a gamble on fertilizing the jazz
record
and club market.
As for
jazz albums: check out OTR pgs. 112-114
for one specific example.
Great
scene shot through with bop joy -- a great movie scene. The song is
on a
double album called "The Hunt" published in 1948. It's a live
recording
from an LA club. Sound quality offends, but you can hear crowd
:Go!
Go! Gone lovin' it. But read the text.
PW
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:46:27 -0400
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From: "Diane M. Homza"
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: OTR film
Reply
to message from MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG of Wed, 27 Aug
>
> I was waiting for someone else to bring
this up. Neal's death would
> certainly be outside the scope of
OTR. My question is, not having
> read everything by everyone (yet), did
any of the Beats ever write
> about the death of a fellow Beat--or
about death in specific at all
> (excepting the David Kamererr (sp)
episode)?
>
> love and lilies,
>
> matt h.
I don't
know if you'd count this, but In GO, Holmes writes about (forgot
the
guy's name) who climbed onto the top of a subway & was killed when the
subway
reached a tunnel...a very gruesome, bizzare item based on real events.
Diane.
--
"I
can't imagine how I ever thought my love might make a difference to him."
--Richard
Powers, _The Gold Bug Variations_
Diane
M. Homza
ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:38:03 -0400
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From: John J Dorfner
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Subject: jack kerouac
Please allow me to introduce myself...my
name is John J Dorfner. I first
discovered
Jack Kerouac's writing in 1973, while living in Oregon, working
for a
book distributor. This was after
spending over a year hitch-hiking
around
the country after being discharged from the Navy. It was then that I
was
turned on to Ann Charter's book, Kerouac.
I made the first of many pilgrimages to
Lowell in 1976, upon returning to
my
hometown in upstate New York. I wanted
to see and experience the places
Kerouac
wrote about in his books. I knew this
was something that had to be
done. No question. I had to know if the reality of Lowell would move me as
much as
Kerouac's writing did.
I spent the years from 1976-1983 periodically
traveling to Lowell, working
on
notes for a book and starting a family.
After we moved to Raleigh, North
Carolina
in June of 1983 and settled into our new home, I drove out to Rocky
Mount. Luckily it was only 50 miles to the east.
In Rocky Mount I stood in the front yard of
the house where Neal found
Jack
that Christmas of 1948. Jack called the
town "Testament, Virginia," in O
n the
Road. I suddenly realized that the
Kerouac/Cassady Road Odyssey began
right
where I was standing. That is a feeling
words can't describe. All I
can say
is "what a rush!"
The research I was able to compile in my
visits there became very
important
to me, as well as to many others. The
local country folks who knew
Kerouac
and his family, who I was able to interview, have become my friends.
These friendships, along with the foreword
the late Allen Ginsberg composed
for my
Lowell book, are things I will always cherish.
Talking about the book, On the Road, is
great, discussing it with friends
even
better. But there is nothing that beats
the experience of going out on
the
road, to the places where Kerouac lived, wrote and loved.
Gathering the thoughts and photographs that
came about from my
pilgrimages,
I wrote a couple of books about Kerouac's life and times in
Lowell
and Rocky Mount, which are available in bookstores. If you'd like to
know
more about these titles, I have blurbs listed at Bookzen. Go to:
http://wwwbookzen.com/books/-0963604643b.html
or
http://wwwbookzen.com/books/-0963604678b.html
or
check out my homepage at
http://members.aol.com/AngelMindz/index.html
I'll be in Lowell for the Lowell Celebrates
Kerouac!, Festival, the first
week of
October. I'll be signing my books at
the Small Press Book Fair at
Memorial
Hall, Pollard Library on Saturday, October 4th from 10 a.m. to 4
p.m. I'd love to meet any and all Beat-L people
who are going to be there.
Please come by and say hello. There will be quite a few great Kerouac
publications
to check out.
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Subject: Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?
Reply
to message from bwhartmanjr@INAME.COM of Tue, 26 Aug
>
>I
don't care who plays who, just as long as Leonardo DiCaprio isn't in the
>movie.
. . did any see him in "Total
Eclipse." He played Rimbaud, I
>wasn't
impressed at all.
>
>Take
it easy, all,
>
>Bruce
Leonardo
DiCaprio wouldn't work as either Dean/Neal or Sal/Jack. He's too
pretty...
Neal & Jack were handsome, rugged, sharp-edged, but not pretty...
Diane.
(H)
Maybe
he'd work as Lucien Carr somewhere...
--
"I
can't imagine how I ever thought my love might make a difference to him."
--Richard
Powers, _The Gold Bug Variations_
Diane
M. Homza ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: Re: a Jack Kerouac's poem dated 1970.
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Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
> To Edward Dahlberg by Jack Kerouac
>
> Don't use the telephone.
> People are never ready to answer it.
> Use poetry.
>
> 1970
>
>
from "Scattered poems",
> 1970, 1971 (c) The Estate of Jack
Kerouac.
Rinaldo,
thank
you. i appreciate you sharing the source. ciao
p