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From:         Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>

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Age is irrelevant....remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking

was in his mid20's.  The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  Viewers have to

understand and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.

 

In short the character needs to be larger tha  life, and there is no way

an unknown actor could pul that off.  The Dean part is one of the most

ocveted in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the

only actors in the world who could play the part right.

 

RJW

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I agree with Richard for the same reasons and especially for the convincing

portrayal in "Dead Man..."

 

        Antoine

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        Do any of you know who's been cast in any of the other roles?

Nicholas Cage might make a good Dean/Neal as well.

 

                                                Matt

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At 04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Age is irrelevant....

 

Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and

Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.

 

Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.

 

I say they use Brando.

 

 

>remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking

>was in his mid20's.  The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

>intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  Viewers have to

>understand and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.

>

>In short the character needs to be larger tha  life, and there is no way

>an unknown actor could pul that off.  The Dean part is one of the most

>ocveted in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the

>only actors in the world who could play the part right.

>

>RJW

>

>

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> At 04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >Age is irrelevant....

>

> Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and

> Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.

>

> Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.

>

> I say they use Brando.

 

alittle bit of makeup will do wonders!

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I agree with gallaher.  Penn is too old now but he would have been great ten ye

ars ago.  He also wanted to play Phil Ochs in a movie they've been talking abou

t making almost as long as they've been talking about making on the road.  I th

ink he would have given one hell of a performance.

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I don't care who plays who, just as long as Leonardo DiCaprio isn't in the

movie. . .   did any see him in "Total Eclipse."  He played Rimbaud, I

wasn't impressed at all.

 

Take it easy, all,

 

Bruce

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I think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked

(except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray

the angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't

the story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a

special world.

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>At 04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>Age is irrelevant....

>

>Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and

>Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.

>

>Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.

>

>I say they use Brando.

>

>

>>remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking

>>was in his mid20's.  The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

>>intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  Viewers have to

>>understand and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.

>>

>>In short the character needs to be larger tha  life, and there is no way

>>an unknown actor could pul that off.  The Dean part is one of the most

>>ocveted in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the

>>only actors in the world who could play the part right.

>>

>>RJW

>>

>>

 

I believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean

Moriarty and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to

get back into Stanley Kowalski physique.

 

leo

 

 

 

"Let us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of

your path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,

you may present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly

will. Ad astra per aspera."  --Jack Kerouac

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>>I think Penn might bed one of the only actors in the world who could play

the >>part right.

>>

>>RJW

>>

  Robin Wright Penn?  That's the most novel suggestion I've heard so far.

Have a woman play the part of Neal/Dean/Cody.

 

                                                    James M.

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I just read an article dedicated to burroughs in the latest Rolling Stone

magazine. It did present old bull lee as the anarchist "shakespeare" that

i so dearly describe him as. The writer (who's name escapes me) took a lot

of info from Morgan's "literary outlaw" without quoting the man (although

towards the end he did give credit to the book). I held my breath while

reading it and finally exhaled at the end. The article also had some

quotes from Corso and Lou Reed. I am not a fan of Rolling Stone by far

but the article  (3 pages which should have been at least 20) did give

Bill some justice. Also, unlike many articles, this one did not emphasize

or glamorize Bill's drug habit in order to catch the eye of the

uninformed reader. Hell, even Herbert Hunke was mentioned as he should

have been.

 

as for the OTR movie, cast Buscemi as Old Bull Lee, then start filming

Junky. David Lynch would do a great job directing a Burroughs-inspired movie.

 

                                                        jason

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James William Marshall wrote:

>

> >>I think Penn might bed one of the only actors in the world who could play

> the >>part right.

> >>

> >>RJW

> >>

>   Robin Wright Penn?  That's the most novel suggestion I've heard so far.

> Have a woman play the part of Neal/Dean/Cody.

>

>                                                     James M.

ACTUALLY I think it would make a great sister film, I would much prefer

to see all the cast as women,  it would put an edge and glory to it.

patricia

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

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In a message dated 97-08-27 00:27:48 EDT, someone (I forget who) wrote:

 

<< The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

 >intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  >>

 

Right. Like anyone could ever actually make a movie of On The Road.

 

I say, "The OTR movie won't work. Period. The whole idea is a dog. Makes me

ill to imagine it."

 

Remember "Heart Beat?" Stinko, yucko, gag me.

 

I saw some other movie/documentary where someone played jack's character. Oy

vay. Puhleeze.

 

Now, I may have to eat my words someday, because I almost didn't go see

"Cuckoo's Nest" because I couldn't imagine that weasly little Jack Nicholson

playing McMurphy (hey, this was a long time ago). Now I couldn't imagine

anyone BUT Jack Nicholson playing him.

 

Neal might be doable... but jack... no way. Stare at that face, listen to

that voice, try to crawl into that mind (mined with mines). Find one actor

today who can convince me he's jack kerouac, or even anything close to that.

 

I'm not an Elvis fan, but there's a good example. No one can be Elvis, no

matter what. Same with John Lennon. Hell, they couldn't even get someone

remotely close to being able to portray Leno or Letterman in that stupid

cable movie (great book, though). How about Michael J. Fox playing that

tortured fact-checker in "Bright Lights, Big City?" (another great book, well

worth reading, and no, McInerney ain't Beat) Over and over and over again,

film gets books wrong.

 

The prime objective of theater (film, acting, magic) is to suspend disbelief.

In the case of bringing Dean Moriarty and Sal Paradise to "life," this can't

be done on film. It was already done, magnificently, perfectly, wholly holy,

in the book, in our heads. Any movie done of this book, starring anyone at

all, will most likely suck canal water. I'd rather go to the movie theater in

my mind...

 

diane

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P.A.Maher wrote:

>

> I think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked

> (except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?

 

Maybe Milos Forman should direct it then...he hasn't lost his touch.

 

Adrien

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this is too much of a coincidence.  i just now finished watching The Funeral

(director Abel Ferrara).  the scenes in the beginning with Vincent Gallo and

Paul Hipp reminded me of Sal and Dean.  then i thought, i wonder if they'll

ever make a movie of On The Road.  but then thought that might be a bad

idea, it could never compare to the book and some movies of books just

shouldnt be made. anyway, immediately after The Funeral was over, i had to

come on to the computer to e-mail a friend about it. and that is when i saw

all these e-mails about the OTR movie for the first time.  i never even

heard of there being an OTR movie before.  that's too odd.  i must have been

called upon to tell you all this.

i dont like the idea of Penn, Brando (too old now isnt he?), or Cage playing

Dean. boring.  Watch The Funeral (and pay close attention to Paul Hipp and

also the scene of Johnnie (Gallo), Ghouly (Hipp) and the woman on the bed )

and you will see what i mean--men like Gallo and Hipp must play the parts of

Sal and Dean.  but then im  not so sure  anyone could measure up to my

perception of Sal and Dean or the book.   by the way, i saw Leonardo

DiCaprio in Total Eclipse and thought it was good. he made me hot anyway.

but i dont think he'd be right for the OTR movie either.

 

At 11:06 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>At 04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>>Age is irrelevant....

>>

>>Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and

>>Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.

>>

>>Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.

>>

>>I say they use Brando.

>>

>>

>>>remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking

>>>was in his mid20's.  The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

>>>intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  Viewers have to

>>>understand and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.

>>>

>>>In short the character needs to be larger tha  life, and there is no way

>>>an unknown actor could pul that off.  The Dean part is one of the most

>>>ocveted in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the

>>>only actors in the world who could play the part right.

>>>

>>>RJW

>>>

>>>

>

>I believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean

>Moriarty and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to

>get back into Stanley Kowalski physique.

>

>leo

>

>

>

>"Let us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of

>your path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,

>you may present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly

>will. Ad astra per aspera."  --Jack Kerouac

>

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At 12:39 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote:

>I think the biggest problem with this casting is that Penn is too old.

>

>Cassady was in his early twenties and Kerouac in his mid twenties when the

>events were happening.

>

>The actors should reflect the youth.

>

>At 11:58 AM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>someone told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal

>>cassady/dean moriarty role in the OTR movie.  I think he'd been as good a

>>choice as anyone.  Wonder if he's into the beats though?

>>

>>RJW

>>

>>

>

 

I agree Penn is too old.  Is Coppolla still in control

of this movie.  I don't think this is his kind of material.

 

Mike Rice

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At 02:38 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote:

>At 04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>Age is irrelevant....

>

>Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and

>Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.

>

>Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.

>

>I say they use Brando.

>Very funny, and right up Copolla's alley, too.  He then could

make seedy James Caan Dean Moriarty.

 

Mike Rice

>

>>remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking

>>was in his mid20's.  The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

>>intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  Viewers have to

>>understand and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.

>>

>>In short the character needs to be larger tha  life, and there is no way

>>an unknown actor could pul that off.  The Dean part is one of the most

>>ocveted in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the

>>only actors in the world who could play the part right.

>>

>>RJW

>>

>>

>

>

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At 09:42 PM 8/26/97 -0000, you wrote:

>I don't care who plays who, just as long as Leonardo DiCaprio isn't in the

>movie. . .   did any see him in "Total Eclipse."  He played Rimbaud, I

>wasn't impressed at all.

>

>Take it easy, all,

>

>Bruce

>

>

I was not impressed with DiCapricio UNTIL I saw him in Total Eclipse.

He was great and so was that film.

 

Mike Rice

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At 11:33 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked

>(except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray

>the angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't

>the story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a

>special world.

>

>

Now that you have mentioned One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, you've opened the

way for me to say something I have been wanting to say about it for years.  Its

central character, Jack Nicholson, was more interesting and less cliche than

Kesey's McMurphy.  I think an irishman who acts like an irishman is bowing to

one of the oldest cliches in stagecraft, and I was grateful for the Nicholson

performance.

 

Mike Rice

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At 09:20 PM 8/26/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>>I think Penn might bed one of the only actors in the world who could play

>the >>part right.

>>>

>>>RJW

>>>

>  Robin Wright Penn?  That's the most novel suggestion I've heard so far.

>Have a woman play the part of Neal/Dean/Cody.

>

>                                                    James M.

>

>

I was going to phone this one in too.  I saw her in that terrible Moll Flanders

a week ago, though there was nothing wrong with her performance, it wasn't

great.

She is one of the best actresses acting in films today.  I saw her in Playboys,

a loose remake of The Quiet Man.  She was superb.

 

Mike Rice

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

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hello beats,

 

here a list of novels translated into movie that,

i think, the efforts have been valid:

 

"Shining" by Stanley Kubrick,

the movie is better than the Stephen King's novel.

 

"Blade Runner" by Ridley Scott

(credits for the title to William S. Burroughs),

the movie is wonderful equal to

Philip K. Dick's novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep."

 

"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" by Milos Forman

& Ken Kesey's novel are both excellent.

 

 

the translation of a novel from a language to another,

i.e. american into any other language, is the most way

a lot of people around the world read the Beat Lit & it's good

if the translator (or the director, speakin'bout film)

matchs & loves the atmosfere (the time) when the action has happened.

 

-*-

 

after the Ginsberg's death went out a new italian translation of

"Howl" & "Kaddish" intended to bring up to date the original

1968 (so called old italian translation).

 

words that are actually using in italian language dont' match

the "old" poem, & in order to modernize a work the result, in

my opinion, is disappointing.

 

-*-

 

im' afraid at the moment when an italian translator got an idea to

give to italians a "modernized" translation of "On The Road"...

 

saluti,

Rinaldo.

*

a century ago, Leoncavallo's "La Boheme" (1897),

the Leoncavallo opera it gave Caruso his first real boost to fame

*

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From:         Preston Whaley <paw8670@MAILER.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Love? What is it?

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>Patricia Elliott wrote:

>>

>> Michael Stutz wrote:>

>> > Memory seems to be at the heart of all pain. So painkilling medicide tends

>> > to affect the memory centers of the brain, and "time heals all wounds." To

>> > forget then is what heals. Does Love help us to forget?

>> >

>> > m

>> patricia writes

>> I in my life, i found that love helped me realize memory.  Oh\only

>> thorugh forgiveness and love can i stand to remember,and i find my

>> memories fuller. It is when i can't find any love that i block things.

>> the only part of the memory that is lessened is how much it hurt.  But

>> i  was a youth so full of anger that i would have dreams of axing people

>> to death and didn't consider them nightmares.  This is not a beat

>> response.  of william , i always though his goals was to see.

>> p

>

>i'm with the sunflowers on this one.  REAL-eyes memory

>

>david rhaesa

>salina, Kansas

>

>"all in a Day's work" Doc Benway

 

 

so what is Alzheimers ? Bliss? To be rhetorical I don't think so.  No

memory but all of those emotions to confront the overwhelming  present and

no mechanism by which to remember the last five seconds.  Selective

forgetfulness can be quite useful, however.

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:40:16 -0400

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Subject:      Cover of the month

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Each month The Kerouac Quarterly will post a paperback cover of different

Kerouac novels. If you have one for posting please e-mail me the scan and I

will post it. I will do it more frequent when there are enough for me to

warrant so. Thanks, Paul of TKQ....

 

Go to:

 

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page4.html

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From:         Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

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On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, P.A.Maher wrote:

 

> I think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked

> (except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray

 

Actually, supposedly Ken Kesey has never seen the movie version of "One

Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", because he was so disgusted with the

casting of Jack Nicholson as McMurphy.  McMurphy was supposed to be a

tough atheletic guy like himself, not a little guy like Nicholson.

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie spawns mass hysteria and many posts to beat-l !!!!

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film at 11:00

mc

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:10:06 -0400

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From:         Preston Whaley <paw8670@MAILER.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

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What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track?  The

soundtrack is crucial:  Wardell Grey, Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie

Holiday.  Seems to me that whoever directs, whoever acts, whoever

photographs must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have

Kerouac's ear ?

The ear was his dominant sense.

PW

 

 

>this is too much of a coincidence.  i just now finished watching The Funeral

>(director Abel Ferrara).  the scenes in the beginning with Vincent Gallo and

>Paul Hipp reminded me of Sal and Dean.  then i thought, i wonder if they'll

>ever make a movie of On The Road.  but then thought that might be a bad

>idea, it could never compare to the book and some movies of books just

>shouldnt be made. anyway, immediately after The Funeral was over, i had to

>come on to the computer to e-mail a friend about it. and that is when i saw

>all these e-mails about the OTR movie for the first time.  i never even

>heard of there being an OTR movie before.  that's too odd.  i must have been

>called upon to tell you all this.

>i dont like the idea of Penn, Brando (too old now isnt he?), or Cage playing

>Dean. boring.  Watch The Funeral (and pay close attention to Paul Hipp and

>also the scene of Johnnie (Gallo), Ghouly (Hipp) and the woman on the bed )

>and you will see what i mean--men like Gallo and Hipp must play the parts of

>Sal and Dean.  but then im  not so sure  anyone could measure up to my

>perception of Sal and Dean or the book.   by the way, i saw Leonardo

>DiCaprio in Total Eclipse and thought it was good. he made me hot anyway.

>but i dont think he'd be right for the OTR movie either.

>

>At 11:06 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>>At 04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>>>Age is irrelevant....

>>>

>>>Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and

>>>Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.

>>>

>>>Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.

>>>

>>>I say they use Brando.

>>>

>>>

>>>>remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking

>>>>was in his mid20's.  The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

>>>>intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  Viewers have to

>>>>understand and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.

>>>>

>>>>In short the character needs to be larger tha  life, and there is no way

>>>>an unknown actor could pul that off.  The Dean part is one of the most

>>>>ocveted in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the

>>>>only actors in the world who could play the part right.

>>>>

>>>>RJW

>>>>

>>>>

>>

>>I believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean

>>Moriarty and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to

>>get back into Stanley Kowalski physique.

>>

>>leo

>>

>>

>>

>>"Let us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of

>>your path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,

>>you may present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly

>>will. Ad astra per aspera."  --Jack Kerouac

>>

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:26:19 -0400

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From:         Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

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On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:

 

> What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track?  The

> soundtrack is crucial:  Wardell Grey, Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie

> Holiday.  Seems to me that whoever directs, whoever acts, whoever

> photographs must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have

> Kerouac's ear ?

> The ear was his dominant sense.

> PW

 

 

I agree but since this movie will have youth appeal the studio supposedly

wants a contemporary rock soundtrack (it will sell albums...jus t think,

the "On the Road" soundtrack with Pearl Jam and REM .etc)  But I dont

think Kerouac even liked rock music...oh well

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:38:12 -0400

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      On the Rote?

 

Thank god someone has a sense of humor...

>From http://www.c3f.com/holywood/ontheroa.html

.............................................................................

Hollywood's Coming!

 

Films with Internet Retrofits

 

1. ON THE ROAD

Production: American Zoetrope/Vanguard Films

Director: Francis Ford Coppola

Screenplay: Michael Herr

Stars: Tom Hanks as Jack Kerouac, Tom Cruise as Ginsberg, Sylvester Stallone

as Burroughs, Sandra Bullock as Neal Cassady

Status: Pre-production

 

Cyber Elements Added to Storyline:

 

One night, Ginsberg reveals to Kerouac that he's really a cyborg shaman

kickboxer from the future of another planet, and he's brought a wireless

satellite cable/modem settop box with him, which they immediately install in

the back seat of Neal Cassady's '49 Mercury.

 

As they drive across country, Kerouac gets on Usenet and reads aloud from

alt.books.beatgeneration and everybody gets depressed and tries, but fails,

to smash into a tree when it's his turn to drive.

 

Potential Problems:

 

Coppola wants to shoot entire film in Vietnam during Monsoon season, to get

authentic "jazz improvisatory" feel of the beatnik era.

 

Bullock threatening to pull out if Winona Ryder doesn't replace Hanks as

Kerouac.

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:59:36 +0000

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From:         Matthew Reid <m_reid@COLBY.EDU>

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>I think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked

>(except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray

>the angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't

>the story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a

>special world.

 

Good point.

 

        Matt

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:18:22 -0700

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> Right. Like anyone could ever actually make a movie of On The Road.

>

> I say, "The OTR movie won't work. Period. The whole idea is a dog. Makes me

> ill to imagine it." . . .

 I'd rather go to the movie theater in

> my mind...

>

 

I heartily agree with Diane here.  Some good books get made into good

movies, but the movies do this by changing the book and making it

cinematic.  The mediums are too different.  Books are about words.

Movies are about pictures.  Movies can never select detail in the ways

books do and language other than straight dialog gets lost.  I can enjoy

the movies if I don't know the book, but if I do I am almost always

dissapointed.  People have nominated Cuckoo's Nest.  I'd nominate

Kubricks Lolita, but it still, even with Nabokov on the screenplan, is

not the same thing as the book.

 

Leave OTR alone.  Make a "road" movie that's a movie.  The all girl one

sounds good to me.

 

J. Stauffer

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There is no actor working today with the combination of mind and

masculinity that these roles would require.  The type is dead.  Clift

and Brando, maybe--but Penn?, Cage? etc.  Hopeless.

 

J. Stauffer

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:23:38 -0500

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From:         Jennifer Thompson <thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

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On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:

 

> someone told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal

> cassady/dean moriarty role in the OTR movie.  I think he'd been as good a

> choice as anyone.  Wonder if he's into the beats though?

>

> RJW

>

In my opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to

play Dean.  Remember, OTR features one slice of Neal's life.  Yes his past

and absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to

bother Sal more than it does Dean.  Dean is the joyful, vibrant,

angel-headed hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.

 

jenn thompson

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:32:07 -0500

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From:         Jennifer Thompson <thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

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On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, P.A.Maher wrote:

 

> I think the book is all we need...what film of a novel ever really worked

> (except of course One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)?Who could ever portray

> the angelic mystification of the characters Kerouac paints in OTR?It isn't

> the story that is special ....its the writing which transforms it into a

> special world.

>

I tend to agree.  Kerouac's works are ambrosia; each word is precious;

somehow, a film cannot fully catch the magic.

Jenn Thompson

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From:         Daniel Fascione <m.d.fascione@CITY.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

Comments: To: stauffer@pacbell.net

 

Any thought on Cronnenberg's Naked Lunch. I loved the way he fused

the biographical details around the actual writing of the work with

the ideas and characters contained within.

I for one think this movie works well.

 

Opinions????????????

 

Daniel

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:34:48 -0400

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      list of jazz albums

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On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:

 

> What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track?  The

> soundtrack is crucial:  Wardell Grey, Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie

> Holiday.

 

Has anyone ever compiled a Beat required-listening list with album specifics

etc.? This would be useful.

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From:         Gary Mex Glazner <PoetMex@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

Comments: To: ljilk@mail.mps.org

 

Lots of people will discover OTR

through a movie being made of the book.

Of course the movie will suck.

especially for those few fans who

really love Jack and crew.

There's my 2 cents

 

yours as always in the store

Gary Mex Glazner

Headless Buddha

http://www.well.com/user/poetmex

PS my company Words on Wheels

is a distributor of poetry and

spoken word recordings, we

have quite a few beat recordings.

With a new box-set of WSB

set for release in the fall.

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:41:06 -0400

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: OTR movie: music?

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On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:

 

> I agree but since this movie will have youth appeal the studio supposedly

> wants a contemporary rock soundtrack (it will sell albums...jus t think,

> the "On the Road" soundtrack with Pearl Jam and REM .etc)

 

Pearl Jam in On the Road? Ew this is getting gross. I thought maybe one way

they could make a decent movie out of it would be to make it all modern,

don't even try to make it look like the time period it was written in, and

use a lot of special effects and visuals (hazy sunsets driving with

panoramic views, real fast sections of roadside blur for like 5 minutes of

film, club scenes with color hues and mixture of Super8, video and 35mm,

just all kinds of weird tricks to get the tone of the words or of trying to

"find" that feeling of on the road, most of the film either music or

voice-over reading sections of the book). Maybe modern music in a context

like this but Pearl Jam?

 

One of my favorite times for film was the late 60s/early 70s. They made a

lot of experimental stuff back then, and so much of it came out great. Even

big films, like _2001..._, _A Clockwork Orange_, even _Jaws_ (not

experimental really but good).

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:12:31 -0400

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Cronenberg's Naked Lunch

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On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Daniel Fascione wrote:

 

> Any thought on Cronnenberg's Naked Lunch. I loved the way he fused

> the biographical details around the actual writing of the work with

> the ideas and characters contained within.

> I for one think this movie works well.

 

Just saw this again a few weeks ago after not having seen it since it came

out in '92. Bill, Jack, Allen (Martin) -- didn't look like any of them! But

this was good, as it wasn't a straight-on run-through of the book but more

on the _writing_ of the book, I think. Typewriter roaches kind of cute, and

the voice reminded me of the "Bob" voice in _12 Monkeys_ (can't put my

finger on it, but for me this "Bob" voice always had a kind of Burroughs

feel to it also). Loved the abstract color blotches in the intro and the

Interzone ending. And the scene with Joan getting high off bug powder was a

riot.

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:01:52 -0400

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From:         James J Stavola <JDSept@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: list of jazz albums

 

    One shouldnt be limited to the music of the times if OTR is made into a

movie. Certainly scenes should reflect the caracters listening to the music

as far as story line goes but the idea of beat-music extends past that era to

include much more such as the Dead ,Patti Smith,Lou Reed,and Tom

Waites.Others I'm sure I missed and can be added.Can I do the sound track?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                         Your

Indulgence

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                           JD

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: list of jazz albums

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On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, James J Stavola wrote:

 

<snip>

> the idea of beat-music extends past that era to include much more

<snip>

 

oh, definitely. i'm interested in something else here though: the specific

music that influenced the beat writers when they were writing their works.

for instance exactly what music is listed in OTR and what are the

recommended albums for checking it out? etc.

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Jazz yes but remember the book!  Kerouac even wrote what music was playing.

from part 4 chap. 5--"..we wanted to hear mambo music and came back with a

stack of records, mostly by Perez Prado....."More Mambo Jambo," "Chattanooga

de Mambo," "Mambo Numero Ocho"-all these tremendous numbers resounded and

flared in the golden, mysterious afternoon like the sounds you expect to

hear on the last day of the world and the Second Coming...."  and i am quite

sure R.E.M. could come up with something amazing for the sdtrk.  or maybe

they'd be good for a different road movie.  i still have my doubts of an OTR

movie being made.  it's a dangerous thing.           please no Penn or Cage.

 

At 10:10 AM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:

>What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track?  The

>soundtrack is crucial:  Wardell Grey, Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie

>Holiday.  Seems to me that whoever directs, whoever acts, whoever

>photographs must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have

>Kerouac's ear ?

>The ear was his dominant sense.

>PW

>

>

>>this is too much of a coincidence.  i just now finished watching The Funeral

>>(director Abel Ferrara).  the scenes in the beginning with Vincent Gallo and

>>Paul Hipp reminded me of Sal and Dean.  then i thought, i wonder if they'll

>>ever make a movie of On The Road.  but then thought that might be a bad

>>idea, it could never compare to the book and some movies of books just

>>shouldnt be made. anyway, immediately after The Funeral was over, i had to

>>come on to the computer to e-mail a friend about it. and that is when i saw

>>all these e-mails about the OTR movie for the first time.  i never even

>>heard of there being an OTR movie before.  that's too odd.  i must have been

>>called upon to tell you all this.

>>i dont like the idea of Penn, Brando (too old now isnt he?), or Cage playing

>>Dean. boring.  Watch The Funeral (and pay close attention to Paul Hipp and

>>also the scene of Johnnie (Gallo), Ghouly (Hipp) and the woman on the bed )

>>and you will see what i mean--men like Gallo and Hipp must play the parts of

>>Sal and Dean.  but then im  not so sure  anyone could measure up to my

>>perception of Sal and Dean or the book.   by the way, i saw Leonardo

>>DiCaprio in Total Eclipse and thought it was good. he made me hot anyway.

>>but i dont think he'd be right for the OTR movie either.

>>

>>At 11:06 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>>>At 04:45 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>>>>Age is irrelevant....

>>>>

>>>>Kerouac's desire was for Montgomery Clift to play the Sal character and

>>>>Marlon Brando to play the Dean part.

>>>>

>>>>Well, Clift is dead but Brando is still alive and acting.

>>>>

>>>>I say they use Brando.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>remember that Penn's character in Dead Man Walking

>>>>>was in his mid20's.  The OTR movie wont work unless someone really

>>>>>intense with a really strong presence plays Neal/Dean.  Viewers have to

>>>>>understand and relate to Kerouac's/Sal Paradise's obsession with him.

>>>>>

>>>>>In short the character needs to be larger tha  life, and there is no way

>>>>>an unknown actor could pul that off.  The Dean part is one of the most

>>>>>ocveted in HOllywood right now, but I think Penn might bed one of the

>>>>>only actors in the world who could play the part right.

>>>>>

>>>>>RJW

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>

>>>I believe that with his age and experience, Brando could play both Dean

>>>Moriarty and Old Bull Lee. Perhaps he could work with a physical trainer to

>>>get back into Stanley Kowalski physique.

>>>

>>>leo

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>"Let us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of

>>>your path, beckoning you into the brothel of despair, and that hereinafter,

>>>you may present them with the most rigid manifestations of a firm and manly

>>>will. Ad astra per aspera."  --Jack Kerouac

>>>

>

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In a message dated 97-08-22 23:33:20 EDT, you write:

 

<< Great catch. Didn't someone here say they saw the original OTR scroll and

 the real names (Neal and Carolyn) were on there?

  >>

 

The On The Road Scroll did have (at least the part that I saw) the real

names. It used the name Neal. The beginning of the scroll is a little

different then the beginning of the book.

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In a message dated 97-08-25 03:42:27 EDT, you write:

 

<< >         Don't use the telephone

 >         People are never ready to answer it.

 >         Use poetry. --- Jack Kerouac, 1970.

 

         How on earth did JK say this in 1970?

  >>

 

I think he called collect.

 

 I heard that in 1996 Jack said, "Don't ever read your e-mail without having

your finger on the delete button. You might actually read something you

didn't want to" (I believe he said that in early June).

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      OTR film

 

Reading through the comments on filming OTR, I couldn't help remembering

that a discussion of FFC's OTR was among the firt threads on Beat-l.

I'd go for contemporary music primarily, but I'd sure like to open or

close the film with the electric version of Aztec Two Step's song about

Dean Moriarty.

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I think the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the

opening and closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady

walking shirtless on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks

rightbefore his death.

 

The movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the

book narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad tracks.

 

RJW

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I found the postcard that has the picture of the scroll on it, it's done by

FotoFolio in NY, NY....not sure if that's the rights-holder to the picture or

the printer of the postcard.  It does have the name Neal on it and it also says

"I first met Neal not long after my father died.".  Can anyone in NYC find out

if this is part of a series, maybe even a postcard book of some kind.  The

scroll looked to be in pretty bad shape (of course it was done on paper that

wasn't meant to last....)  I hope it's stored properly.

 

love and lilies,

 

Matt H.

 

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Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    8/27/97 1:56 PM

 

 

In a message dated 97-08-22 23:33:20 EDT, you write:

 

<< Great catch. Didn't someone here say they saw the original OTR scroll and

 the real names (Neal and Carolyn) were on there?

  >>

 

The On The Road Scroll did have (at least the part that I saw) the real

names. It used the name Neal. The beginning of the scroll is a little

different then the beginning of the book.

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Subject:      Re: list of jazz albums

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Hi all you jazz fans....not to mention fans of other related Beat genres!

 

        [Bruce Hartman, Ron Kovachs and others should chime in here also!]

 

        I'll offer up the playlists from two compilations that I've made up

that were trying to capture that taste and time. I'd add that there are some

others who didn't make it onto the list like Lester Young, Billie Holiday,

Art Tatum, Duke Ellington and the exemplars of vocalese, scat, wordjazz,

hipsemantic, and bebop vocals like King Pleasure, Leo Watson, Mel Torme (the

'Velevet Fog'), Ken Nordine, and Eddie Jefferson. They're on a third

playlist that's harder to get at right now.

 

        I'll also recommend Owen Thomas' book "Bebop:...(forget subtitle)"

for those who really want to immerse themselves . He starts with Charlie

Parker and deals with every other important bebop jazz player and their

influences, by instrument.

 

        For the Beat pure of heart, the Venice Biennale Discography is

pretty complete and I'll e-mail a copy if anyone is real keen. And to quote

Howard Park:

 

        "Anybody with an interest in the spoken word and audio of the Beat

Generation

        should consider picking up a copy of Stephen Ronan's "Disks of the=

 Gone

        World", a 135 page compendium, involving a lifetime of research, of

        information about Beat audio.  This is THE discography of the Beat

Generation

        covering the "big three" and poets like Bremser, Bukowski, McClure

and tens

        of others.  Its more than just a list, it has all sorts of other

info too.

 

        Contact Stephen Ronan at P.O. Box 5813, Berkeley, CA, 94705 (he's

not online)

        or e-mail me for price."

 

        Regards,     Antoine

 

 

        The two playlists are:

 

        ***************

 

+++...from the gone world.      =95     22

 

Side 1  Antoine Maloney / 9th June, 1996

 

big high song for somebody (Philip Whalen)      Roy Glenn 1958=7F

Epistrophy (Monk - Clarke)      Thelonius Monk w/ Milt Jackson on vibes 1948

Travellin' Blues                        Bulee =93Slim=94 Gaillard 1945

Cosmic Rays                     Charlie Parker Quartet 1952

State & 32nd                    Kenneth Rexroth1956 or =9159

Picasso                                 Coleman Hawkins 1948

9th & Hennepin                  Tom Waits=7F

Clarinet with dripping faucet (recorded by Tony Schwartz)       Jimmy Giuffre 1959

dog (Ferlinghetti)                      Bob Dorough 1958

Up Broadway                     Moondog [Louis Harden] 1956-57

Street Scene                                                               1955

Bird's

1968

The Bridge                      Lee Ranaldo 1985

Drums in my typewriter  Woody Leafer 1958

Bomb                                    Gregory Corso 1965

H-Bomb                                  Lord Buckley 1960

Midnight Sun                    Lionel Hampton 1956-57

 

Side 2

 

The Bird        Charlie Parker 1947

Yip Roc Heresy                  Bulee =93Slim=94 Gaillard 1951

Like                                    Jack Hammer 1959

Cockroach                       Jack Kerouac 1962

The Hipster's Blues - Opus 7=BD Harry =93The Hipster=94 Gibson 1944

Invitation to the Blues Tom Waits

Blues Montage                   Langston Hughes with Leonard Feather 1958

Manhattan Fable                 Babs Gonzalez 1954

Little Man      Teddy Edwards with Tom Waits

October in the Railroad Earth   Jack Kerouac and Steve Allen March 1958

On the Nickel                   Tom Waits

Thelonius                                       Thelonius Monk 1947

 

        ****************

 

+++Bebop, Beat, and Hipsemantic =95     29

 

Side 1  Antoine Maloney / 28th March, 1997

 

On The Bean (Walter Thomas)     Coleman Hawkins with Thelonius Monk 1944

In Walked Bud (Monk)    Thelonius Monk with Art Blakey 1947

Evidence (Monk)                 Thelonius Monk with Milt Jackson 1948

=93Monk is dead...Monk lives!=94        Clifton Joseph 1995

Bloomdido (Parker)                      Thelonius Monk, Charlie Parker, Dizzy

Gillespie, Buddy Rich

1950

Celia (Powell)                  Bud Powell, Ray Brown, Max Roach 1949

Koko (Parker)                   Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach=

 1945

Slim=92s Jam (B.Gaillard)       Slim Gaillard, Zutty Singleton, Jack McVie, Dizzy,

Parker, Roach

1945

=93The Early History of Bop=94  Jack Kerouac with Steve Allen 1958

Ornithology (Parker - Harris)   Parker, Miles Davis, Dodo Marmarosa 1946

Slam, Slam Blues (S.Stewart)    Dizzy, Parker, Slam Stewart, Red Norvo 1945

=93Take note daddy-o!...=94     Langston Hughes with Charles Mingus Quintet 1958

         ...and Jump Monk (Mingus) ...fragment

 

Side 2

 

Misterioso (Monk)                       Thelonius Monk with Milt Jackson 1948

Now=92s The Time (Parker)       Charlie Parker with Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis,

Max Roach

1945

=93Charlie Parker....=94                        Jack Kerouac with Steve Allen 1958

Blues Walk (C.Brown)    Clifford Brown, with Max Roach, Harold Land,   1955

Take The A Train (Billy Strayhorn)      George Morrow and Richie Powell 1955

=93The Train=94                 Lord Buckley 1956

=93Penn Station...to Harlem=94  Langston Hughes with Charles Mingus Quintet=

 1958

        =93...Dizzy Gillespie...Lennox Avenue=94

        =93I play it cool, I dig all jive!=94

The Naz                                 Lord Buckley 1959

Sightseeing Boogie (B.Gailard)  Slim Gaillard 1945

Yardbird Suite (Parker) Charlie Parker, with Miles Davis and Dodo Marmarosa=

 1946

=93...loved that ol=92 Pontiac... =94   Tom Waits 1987

Duet: Queen Elizabeth whistle and Bamboo Pipe   Moondog [Louis Harden] 1956

Symphonique #6 (Good for Goody) ...fragment     1968

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to=

 do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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At 10:23 AM 8/27/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:

>

>> someone told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal

>> cassady/dean moriarty role in the OTR movie.  I think he'd been as good a

>> choice as anyone.  Wonder if he's into the beats though?

>>

>> RJW

>>

>In my opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to

>play Dean.  Remember, OTR features one slice of Neal's life.  Yes his past

>and absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to

>bother Sal more than it does Dean.  Dean is the joyful, vibrant,

>angel-headed hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.

>

>jenn thompson

>

>

The right actor for Sal is either Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves.

I can't think of a sparkplug active enough to play Dean, Dean

Dean that God Damn Dean!

 

Mike Rice

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At 04:39 PM 8/27/97 +0000, you wrote:

>Any thought on Cronnenberg's Naked Lunch. I loved the way he fused

>the biographical details around the actual writing of the work with

>the ideas and characters contained within.

>I for one think this movie works well.

>

>Opinions????????????

>

>Daniel

>

>I liked the film alright, but not for its relation to Naked Lunch.

I didn't really think it was first rate, but I liked it.  The film

I liked that went nowhere was The Sheltering Sky based on Paul Bowles

novel.

 

Mike Rice

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You know, I'm thinking they should select off-beat

pop music from the era, which is what I suspect the

beats would do.  Perez Prado fits perfectly.  The white

tin pan alley pop era between the end of War 11 and Elvis

had a lot of interesting stuff in it down below the McGuire

sisters and Eddie Fisher.  The Forties and Fifties are

beginning to be forgotten, but they could be marvelously

evoked, with a soundtrack contemporary to that time.

 

Mike Rice

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At 02:26 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I think the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the

>opening and closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady

>walking shirtless on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks

>rightbefore his death.

>

>The movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the

>book narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad tracks.

>

>RJW

>

>

I think Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book.  I do

like the idea of doing it in black and white, though.

 

Mike Rice

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I wouldnt put music over the closing credits...I'd put a live recording

of Ginsberg reading "Howl"

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At 04:42 PM 8/27/97 Mike Rice wrote:

 

>>In my opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to

>>play Dean.  Remember, OTR features one slice of Neal's life.  Yes his past

>>and absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to

>>bother Sal more than it does Dean.  Dean is the joyful, vibrant,

>>angel-headed hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.

 

>>

>The right actor for Sal is either Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves.

>I can't think of a sparkplug active enough to play Dean, Dean

>Dean that God Damn Dean!

 

Oh, anyone but Keanu "Wooden Boy" Reeves!!! His performance in Johnny

Mnemonic was like a cardboard cutout..

 

 I personally prefer Billy Crudup as Sal Paradise.  He was great in

"Inventing the Abbotts" and has a real presence about him that reminds me

of Jack.

 

 As for Dean, Peter Berg has the right energy, but I'm not sure he's a

strong enough actor for the role.  Or maybe for a real sparkplug, you could

try Henry Rollins...he's definitely got the verbal rhythm.

 

I can visualize Sam Shepard as Bull Lee - strong and classy.

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At 04:42 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:

>At 10:23 AM 8/27/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:

>>

>>> someone told me that sean penn has been approached about the neal

>>> cassady/dean moriarty role in the OTR movie.  I think he'd been as good a

>>> choice as anyone.  Wonder if he's into the beats though?

>>>

>>> RJW

>>>

>>In my opinion, Sean Penn seems a little too gloomy, perhaps even morose to

>>play Dean.  Remember, OTR features one slice of Neal's life.  Yes his past

>>and absent father are always lurking in the background---but this seems to

>>bother Sal more than it does Dean.  Dean is the joyful, vibrant,

>>angel-headed hipster---I just can't see Penn pulling that off.

>>

>>jenn thompson

>>

>>

>The right actor for Sal is either Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves.

>I can't think of a sparkplug active enough to play Dean, Dean

>Dean that God Damn Dean!

>

>Mike Rice

>

i too was thinking of Johnny Depp as Sal.  he's a great actor.  he'd have to

cut his hair though.  yes Mike, Perez Prado-i already wrote that, and he's

even mentioned in the book.  but i dont think Keanu could play Sal.  how

about Chris Isaak.  he acts too you know.  and he looks a lot like Kerouac.

he could just dye his hair darker.

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>I think Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book.  I do

>like the idea of doing it in black and white, though.

>Mike Rice

 

     I was waiting for someone else to bring this up.  Neal's death would

     certainly be outside the scope of OTR.  My question is, not having

     read everything by everyone (yet), did any of the Beats ever write

     about the death of a fellow Beat--or about death in specific at all

     (excepting the David Kamererr (sp) episode)?

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt h.

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        sean penn has for years talked about playing the title role in a

movie based off the life of cult-icon folksinger phil ochs. i think that

alone substantiates his interest in beat and beat-influenced artists. as

far as his being the right person to act in the movie i doubt he could do

much worse than keanu reeves. besides with the inclusion of penn in the

movie it is certain to do fairly well at the box office. depp couldn't

hurt either. but chances are, and i hold my breath that it isn't, that the

role of sal will go to the lead singer of bush, gavin something or other.

his hollow angst should translate well to the junior teens that would

surely flock to go see him. i don't see entertainment executives passing

on an idea like that.

        and if you wanted to add to the clift/brando pair, sal mineo

wouldn't hurt as ginsberg.

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well i dont know if it counts or not, in that specific question - but

Ginsbberg wrote A LOT about the death of cassady (rememberances, etc) and

kerouac. kesey wrote "the day superman died" about cassady's death (first

appeared in rolling stone, as far as i know - and now collected in _demon

box_). ferlinghetti wrote poem about allen's death. theres gotta be

more...

yrs

derek

 

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, MATT HANNAN wrote:

 

>

> >I think Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book.  I do

> >like the idea of doing it in black and white, though.

> >Mike Rice

>

>      I was waiting for someone else to bring this up.  Neal's death would

>      certainly be outside the scope of OTR.  My question is, not having

>      read everything by everyone (yet), did any of the Beats ever write

>      about the death of a fellow Beat--or about death in specific at all

>      (excepting the David Kamererr (sp) episode)?

>

>      love and lilies,

>

>      matt h.

>

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Donald Allen

Amari Baraka (Leroi Jones)

Paul Blackburn

Robin Blaser

Bonnie Bremser

Ray Bremser

Chandler Brossard

Charles Bukowski

William S. Burroughs { 5 Feb 1914 - 2 Aug 1997 }

William S. Burroughs Jr.

Lucien Carr

Paul Carroll

Louis R Cartwright

Carolyn Cassady

Neal Cassady { 8 Feb 1926 - 4 Feb 1968 }

Andy Clausen

Gregory Corso

Robert Creeley [Black Mountain School]

Henry Cru

Diane DiPrima

John Doe

Kirby Doyle

Robert Duncan [Black Mountain School]

Bob Dylan

William Everson (Brother Antonus)

Richard Farina

Lawrence Ferlinghetti

Charles Foster

Allen Ginsberg { 3 Jun 1926 - 5 Apr 1997 }

John Giorno

Brion Gysin

William Inge

John Cellon Holmes

Herbert Huncke

Ted Joans

Joyce Johnson

Lenore Kandel

Bob Kaufman

Jack Kerouac { 12 Mar 1922 - 21 Oct 1969 }

Jan Kerouac

Ken Kesey

Seymour Krim

Bob Kaufman { 18 Apr 1925 - 12 Jan 1986 }

Tuli Kupferberg

Joanne Kyger

Philip Lamantia

Jay Landesman

Fran Landesman

Timothy Leary

Lawrence Lipton

Malcom Lowry

Norman Mailer

Gerard Malanga

Edward Marshall

Joanna McClure

Michael McClure

Taylor Mead

David Meltzer

Jack Micheline

Henry Miller { 26 Dic 1891 - 8 Jun 1980 }

John Montgomery

Harold Norse

Frank O'Hara

Charles Olson [Black Mountain School]

Peter Orlovsky

Kenneth Patchen

Stuart Z. Perkoff

Charles Plymell

Dan Propper

Kenneth Rexroth

Hugh Romney

Michael Rumaker

Ed Sanders

Hubert Jr. Selby

Gary Snyder

Carl Solomon

Jack Spicer

Hunter Stockton Thompson

Charles Upton

Janine Pommy Vega

Alexander Trocchi

Anne Waldman

Lewis Warsh

Alan Watts

Lew Welch

Philip Whalen

John Wieners

William Carlos Williams

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Hello!,

i'm listing the beat generation

(writers & painters & performers)

& i begin with a list, everyone

interested can propose a new name.

http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/home.htm

thanks,

Rinaldo Rasa.

28th august 1997, Venice-Mestre, Italy.

-*-

credits to

Richard M. Kershenbaum <r-kershenbaum@UKANS.EDU>

OHearn  <orpheus@in.the.shadows>

David Schwarm <dschwarm@sun3.lib.uci.edu>

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Subject:      OTR Chris Isaak: Sal, Michael Stipe: Dean

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i can sleep well tonight.  if there is to be an On The Road movie, then let

Chris Isaak play Sal, he looks so much like Kerouac and he has always

reminded me of a handsome actor out of the 1940s and '50s.  he does act, he

isnt just a singer.  if not him, then Depp.

now about Dean.  the only sexy angel headed man with that kind of  energy

and passion i know of is Michael Stipe.  many agree w/me that he is the

sexiest man alive.   On The Road is the only book Stipe has read more than

once (or so ive read).  he is on the tribute to Kerouac c.d. Kicks Joy

Darkness.  this proves his interest in Kerouac and On The Road.  Stipe has

acted in atleast one movie, i know this for sure.  he's also produced

movies.   if pop stars are to play the parts of Sal and Dean, please let it

be Issak and Stipe.  i hate Bush.

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Beats.

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On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

 

> Charles Olson [Black Mountain School]

 

I confess, I never understood his poetry. I don't know how to read it.

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And don't forget Corso's wonderful "Elegiac Feelings American" for Jack.

 

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> From: Derek A. Beaulieu <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Re: Re[2]: OTR film

> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 4:44 PM

>

> well i dont know if it counts or not, in that specific question - but

> Ginsbberg wrote A LOT about the death of cassady (rememberances, etc) and

> kerouac. kesey wrote "the day superman died" about cassady's death (first

> appeared in rolling stone, as far as i know - and now collected in _demon

> box_). ferlinghetti wrote poem about allen's death. theres gotta be

> more...

> yrs

> derek

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Re[2]: OTR film

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>well i dont know if it counts or not, in that specific question - but

>Ginsbberg wrote A LOT about the death of cassady (rememberances, etc) and

>kerouac. kesey wrote "the day superman died" about cassady's death (first

>appeared in rolling stone, as far as i know - and now collected in _demon

>box_). ferlinghetti wrote poem about allen's death. theres gotta be

________

(hideous no-win noise of hideous tv game shows) splat!

insp d:

still outside the scope of the book.

i still say it is impossible to do, and am awaiting its prat-fall.  can't

imagine what would be left out, how to get into sal's head ... as he is NOT

moriarty but rather sal caught up in moriarty's life..

blecchh.

mc

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        To Edward Dahlberg      by Jack Kerouac

 

        Don't use the telephone.

        People are never ready to answer it.

        Use poetry.

 

        1970

 

 

 

from    "Scattered poems",

        1970, 1971 (c) The Estate of Jack Kerouac.

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beats.

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At 12:01 AM 8/28/97 +0200, you wrote:

 

>William S. Burroughs { 5 Feb 1914 - 2 Aug 1997 }

>William S. Burroughs Jr.

 

>Lucien Carr

 

How 'bout Caleb Carr, Lucien's son.  I see Kerouac's daughter and Burrough's

son made the list.

 

Too bad Ginsberg didn't have any kids.

 

>Jack Kerouac { 12 Mar 1922 - 21 Oct 1969 }

>Jan Kerouac

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:15:28 -0400

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I can't register William Inge as a beat.  Please

explain.

 

Mike Rice

 

 

At 12:01 AM 8/28/97 +0200, you wrote:

>Donald Allen

>Amari Baraka (Leroi Jones)

>Paul Blackburn

>Robin Blaser

>Bonnie Bremser

>Ray Bremser

>Chandler Brossard

>Charles Bukowski

>William S. Burroughs { 5 Feb 1914 - 2 Aug 1997 }

>William S. Burroughs Jr.

>Lucien Carr

>Paul Carroll

>Louis R Cartwright

>Carolyn Cassady

>Neal Cassady { 8 Feb 1926 - 4 Feb 1968 }

>Andy Clausen

>Gregory Corso

>Robert Creeley [Black Mountain School]

>Henry Cru

>Diane DiPrima

>John Doe

>Kirby Doyle

>Robert Duncan [Black Mountain School]

>Bob Dylan

>William Everson (Brother Antonus)

>Richard Farina

>Lawrence Ferlinghetti

>Charles Foster

>Allen Ginsberg { 3 Jun 1926 - 5 Apr 1997 }

>John Giorno

>Brion Gysin

>William Inge

>John Cellon Holmes

>Herbert Huncke

>Ted Joans

>Joyce Johnson

>Lenore Kandel

>Bob Kaufman

>Jack Kerouac { 12 Mar 1922 - 21 Oct 1969 }

>Jan Kerouac

>Ken Kesey

>Seymour Krim

>Bob Kaufman { 18 Apr 1925 - 12 Jan 1986 }

>Tuli Kupferberg

>Joanne Kyger

>Philip Lamantia

>Jay Landesman

>Fran Landesman

>Timothy Leary

>Lawrence Lipton

>Malcom Lowry

>Norman Mailer

>Gerard Malanga

>Edward Marshall

>Joanna McClure

>Michael McClure

>Taylor Mead

>David Meltzer

>Jack Micheline

>Henry Miller { 26 Dic 1891 - 8 Jun 1980 }

>John Montgomery

>Harold Norse

>Frank O'Hara

>Charles Olson [Black Mountain School]

>Peter Orlovsky

>Kenneth Patchen

>Stuart Z. Perkoff

>Charles Plymell

>Dan Propper

>Kenneth Rexroth

>Hugh Romney

>Michael Rumaker

>Ed Sanders

>Hubert Jr. Selby

>Gary Snyder

>Carl Solomon

>Jack Spicer

>Hunter Stockton Thompson

>Charles Upton

>Janine Pommy Vega

>Alexander Trocchi

>Anne Waldman

>Lewis Warsh

>Alan Watts

>Lew Welch

>Philip Whalen

>John Wieners

>William Carlos Williams

>-*-

>Hello!,

>i'm listing the beat generation

>(writers & painters & performers)

>& i begin with a list, everyone

>interested can propose a new name.

>http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/home.htm

>thanks,

>Rinaldo Rasa.

>28th august 1997, Venice-Mestre, Italy.

>-*-

>credits to

>Richard M. Kershenbaum <r-kershenbaum@UKANS.EDU>

>OHearn  <orpheus@in.the.shadows>

>David Schwarm <dschwarm@sun3.lib.uci.edu>

>-*-

>

>

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:43:28 -0400

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From:         Carl A Biancucci <carl@WORLD.STD.COM>

Subject:      Q Magazine/Kesey

In-Reply-To:  <1.5.4.32.19970827134016.00679c0c@pop.pipeline.com> from

              "P.A.Maher" at Aug 27, 97 09:40:16 am

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There is a small article on Kesey in the latest ish of

Q Magazine (UK rock mag)

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Some of Dharma and Life

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Are any of you as excited as I am about Some of the Dharma being published?

I am surprised how excited I am.  I heard about this book years ago in the

biographies and remember thinking why can't they publish it.

 

And now it is being published.  I see at amazon.com the publication date is

September but the Barnes and Noble site has it as August.  I saw that the

OTR 40th anniversary was also listed this same way--and I saw that book at

vromans books, so I figure Some of the Dharma should be out.

 

Has anyone actually seen it in a bookstore (I know some have received

advance copies).

 

And Life magazine has an issue out of photos of the people of the century.

In the originals section they have a picture of kerouac (looks like it's

from his early 60's Lowell days).  The commentary is by Ken Kesey quoting

him about how Kerouac never put anyone down in all of his writing.

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Movies from books....

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Oh ye of little faith!  ....it could turn out fine!

 

        What about "Sheltering Sky" or "The English Patient"? ...or the

movies mentioned by Adrien and others?  ...was "Il Postino" a book first? If

so, it must have been dyn-o-mite by Matt and Paul's logic.

 

        Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Richard,

 

        Your post really made me excited about the prospect of a film if it

could use ideas like this and some of the others posted.

                                                - Antoine

 

        *********

 

I think the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the opening

and closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady walking

shirtless on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks right before

his death.

 

The movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the

book narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad tracks.

 

        *********

 

I wouldnt put music over the closing credits...I'd put a live recording

of Ginsberg reading "Howl"

 

        **********

 

 the electric version of Aztec Two Step's song about Dean Moriarty.

 

        **********

 

mambo music and came back with a

stack of records, mostly by Perez Prado....."More Mambo Jambo," "Chattanooga

de Mambo," "Mambo Numero Ocho"-all these tremendous numbers resounded and

flared in the golden, mysterious afternoon like the sounds you expect to

hear on the last day of the world and the Second Coming...."

 

        **********

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Some of Dharma and Life

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It's out!  You should be able to find it at better bookstores.  I thin Waterrow

 has copies too.  I sure was excited when I got my hands on a copy but I was a

little disappointed by some of what I learned from reading it.  It's essentiall

y a notebook and will be most appreciated by those with an in-depth knowledge o

f Kerouac's life and work.  Doubtless, there are those who will disagree with m

e but I have to say it certainly isn't a major work in the sense that it will w

in Kerouac any new readers.  It is important for the light it sheds on Kerouac'

s life and work in the years when he was struggling with poverty and rejection.

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> At 02:26 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >I think the movie should be shot in black and white, except for the

> >opening and closing scenes, which would be color shots of Neal Cassady

> >walking shirtless on the train tracks in mexico, counting the tracks

> >rightbefore his death.

> >

> >The movie would be narrated of course, with the closing paragraph of the

> >book narrarated over the shot of Neal walking away down the railroad tracks.

> >

> >RJW

> >

> >

> I think Neal on the Tracks would violate the spirit of the book.  I do

> like the idea of doing it in black and white, though.

>

> Mike Rice

black and white visions of cody! with the only color being redbricks!

seriously though, neal on the tracks would be a very powerful scene

and i agree with mike- it should not be in otr. just imagine it in

voc though.

randy~

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Both new titles are widely available in Barnes and Noble.....buy SOTD first

for some of Jack's most profound and intelligent utterings in print...almost

compared to the holy Psalms I saw written by him in his journals at the

Kerouac estate. Both SOTD and the journals I saw give testament to how holy

a man Jack really was.Jack has a whole notebook on Psalms and prayers

written by him in a Catholic vein. When these journals finally are

published...this will show Jack for the true genius he really is. On the

Road does not do this man justice.

 

                   regards to all tonight, Paul of TKQ...

 

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html

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Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

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>On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:

>

>> What I want to know is where are they going to get the sound track?  The

>> soundtrack is crucial:  Wardell Grey, Dexter Gordon, Parker, Slim, Billie

>> Holiday.  Seems to me that whoever directs, whoever acts, whoever

>> photographs must understand jazz as the key to the movie. How many have

>> Kerouac's ear ?

>> The ear was his dominant sense.

>> PW

>

>

>I agree but since this movie will have youth appeal the studio supposedly

>wants a contemporary rock soundtrack (it will sell albums...jus t think,

>the "On the Road" soundtrack with Pearl Jam and REM .etc)  But I dont

>think Kerouac even liked rock music...oh well

 

Seems like if the movie communicated the kind of rapture Neal and Jack got

from jazz we could have a Renaissance in the idiom.  I know movie execs

don't think like that, but some might take a gamble on fertilizing the jazz

record and club market.

 

As for jazz albums:  check out OTR pgs. 112-114 for one specific example.

Great scene shot through with bop joy -- a great movie scene. The song is

on a double album called "The Hunt" published in 1948.  It's a live

recording from an LA club. Sound quality offends, but you can hear crowd

:Go! Go! Gone lovin' it. But read the text.

 

 

PW

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From:         "Diane M. Homza" <ek242@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Re[2]: OTR film

 

Reply to message from MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG of Wed, 27 Aug

>

>     I was waiting for someone else to bring this up.  Neal's death would

>     certainly be outside the scope of OTR.  My question is, not having

>     read everything by everyone (yet), did any of the Beats ever write

>     about the death of a fellow Beat--or about death in specific at all

>     (excepting the David Kamererr (sp) episode)?

>

>     love and lilies,

>

>     matt h.

 

I don't know if you'd count this, but In GO, Holmes writes about (forgot

the guy's name) who climbed onto the top of a subway & was killed when the

subway reached a tunnel...a very gruesome, bizzare item based on real events.

 

Diane.

 

--

"I can't imagine how I ever thought my love might make a difference to him."

                                 --Richard Powers, _The Gold Bug Variations_

 

Diane M. Homza                                   ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu

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From:         John J Dorfner <Jjdorfner@AOL.COM>

Subject:      jack kerouac

 

   Please allow me to introduce myself...my name is John J Dorfner.  I first

discovered Jack Kerouac's writing in 1973, while living in Oregon, working

for a book distributor.  This was after spending over a year hitch-hiking

around the country after being discharged from the Navy.  It was then that I

was turned on to Ann Charter's book, Kerouac.

   I made the first of many pilgrimages to Lowell in 1976, upon returning to

my hometown in upstate New York.  I wanted to see and experience the places

Kerouac wrote about in his books.  I knew this was something that had to be

done.  No question.  I had to know if the reality of Lowell would move me as

much as Kerouac's writing did.

   I spent the years from 1976-1983 periodically traveling to Lowell, working

on notes for a book and starting a family.  After we moved to Raleigh, North

Carolina in June of 1983 and settled into our new home, I drove out to Rocky

Mount.  Luckily it was only 50 miles to the east.

   In Rocky Mount I stood in the front yard of the house where Neal found

Jack that Christmas of 1948.  Jack called the town "Testament, Virginia," in O

n the Road.  I suddenly realized that the Kerouac/Cassady Road Odyssey began

right where I was standing.  That is a feeling words can't describe.  All I

can say is "what a rush!"

   The research I was able to compile in my visits there became very

important to me, as well as to many others.  The local country folks who knew

Kerouac and his family, who I was able to interview, have become my friends.

 These friendships, along with the foreword the late Allen Ginsberg composed

for my Lowell book, are things I will always cherish.

   Talking about the book, On the Road, is great, discussing it with friends

even better.  But there is nothing that beats the experience of going out on

the road, to the places where Kerouac lived, wrote and loved.

   Gathering the thoughts and photographs that came about from my

pilgrimages, I wrote a couple of books about Kerouac's life and times in

Lowell and Rocky Mount, which are available in bookstores.  If you'd like to

know more about these titles, I have blurbs listed at Bookzen.  Go to:

http://wwwbookzen.com/books/-0963604643b.html or

http://wwwbookzen.com/books/-0963604678b.html

 

or check out my homepage at

http://members.aol.com/AngelMindz/index.html

 

   I'll be in Lowell for the Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Festival, the first

week of October.  I'll be signing my books at the Small Press Book Fair at

Memorial Hall, Pollard Library on Saturday, October 4th from 10 a.m. to 4

p.m.  I'd love to meet any and all Beat-L people who are going to be there.

 Please come by and say hello.  There will be quite a few great Kerouac

publications to check out.

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Subject:      Re: OTR movie: Sean Penn?

 

Reply to message from bwhartmanjr@INAME.COM of Tue, 26 Aug

>

>I don't care who plays who, just as long as Leonardo DiCaprio isn't in the

>movie. . .   did any see him in "Total Eclipse."  He played Rimbaud, I

>wasn't impressed at all.

>

>Take it easy, all,

>

>Bruce

 

Leonardo DiCaprio wouldn't work as either Dean/Neal or Sal/Jack.  He's too

pretty... Neal & Jack were handsome, rugged, sharp-edged, but not pretty...

 

Diane. (H)

 

Maybe he'd work as Lucien Carr somewhere...

 

--

"I can't imagine how I ever thought my love might make a difference to him."

                                 --Richard Powers, _The Gold Bug Variations_

 

Diane M. Homza                                   ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu

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Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:02:50 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: a Jack Kerouac's poem dated 1970.

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Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

>

>         To Edward Dahlberg      by Jack Kerouac

>

>         Don't use the telephone.

>         People are never ready to answer it.

>         Use poetry.

>

>         1970

>

> from    "Scattered poems",

>         1970, 1971 (c) The Estate of Jack Kerouac.

Rinaldo,

thank you. i appreciate you sharing the source. ciao

p

 



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