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Hi Beat
listers,
In 1985 Hal Wilner - he of weird and
wonderful compilations -
produced
a compilation of Kurt Weill material by people the likes of Tom
Waits,
Lou Reed, Van Dyke Parks, and Charlie Haden called "Lost in the
Stars".
It was a great production and now he's done it again; Weill all over
again,
"September Songs: The Music of Kurt Weill", the sonic counterpart to
Larry
Weinstein's film tribute to Weill. Lou Reed is back again with
"September
Song"; Waits did "What Keeps Mankind Alive" last time...this
time
William
Burroughs turns in his performance; Charlie Haden plays along to a
recording
of Weill singing! Also Nick Cave, Elvis Costello, the Persuasions,
Betty
Carter, and Polly Jean Harvey. Can't wait.
For the Canadians on the list I read
the review in the free music
newspaper
"exclaim!#?!", September issue. Wonder of wonders they also review
the
first cassette from my older son's band, Mishima! Enjoy.
Haven't heard it yet, but I'm rushing
to get it.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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I'm
just listening to "kicks joy darkness" and in the Brooklyn Bridge
Blues
Jack
(Ginsberg reading) talks about being with his mother and his Aunt
Lurette
going over the bridge. Does anyone know where in Brooklyn his Aunt
lived?
One line talks about the Gowanus Canal....anyone?
Antoine
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>Hi
Beat listers,
>
> In 1985 Hal Wilner - he of weird and wonderful compilations -
>produced
a compilation of Kurt Weill material by people the likes of Tom
>Waits,
Lou Reed, Van Dyke Parks, and Charlie Haden called "Lost in the
>Stars".
It was a great production and now he's done it again; Weill all over
>again,
"September Songs: The Music of Kurt Weill", the sonic counterpart to
>Larry
Weinstein's film tribute to Weill. Lou Reed is back again with
>"September
Song"; Waits did "What Keeps Mankind Alive" last time...this
time
>William
Burroughs turns in his performance; Charlie Haden plays along to a
>recording
of Weill singing! Also Nick Cave, Elvis Costello, the Persuasions,
>Betty
Carter, and Polly Jean Harvey. Can't wait.
>
> For the Canadians on the list I read
the review in the free music
>newspaper
"exclaim!#?!", September issue. Wonder of wonders they also review
>the
first cassette from my older son's band, Mishima! Enjoy.
>
> Haven't heard it yet, but I'm rushing
to get it.
>
> Antoine
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
Thanks
for the tip Antoine. "Lost in the Stars" was great. I'll be looking
for
"September Songs: The Music of Kurt Weill" right away.
Fans of
Weill might be interested in knowing that the Kurt Weill Foundation
sends
out a free newsletter about prefromances of Weill music around the
world.
If anyone is intersted I'llsend them the address.
I'd
like to hear more about your son's band. Could you send me the review?
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He
lived with his aunt on State Street. I
have the exact address home. Browns
tone
still there. I took some pictures last
year.
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Thanks
a lot Bill.
I started
reading "Jack's Book" last night and realized that it wasn't his
Aunt,
but rather Memere's stepmother, right?, that he lived with in
Brooklyn.
I'd love to have the exact address. I grew up living on Pacific
Street
at Bedford avenue and later we lived in Park Slope. I'll have to look
at a
map to see where State Street is exactly. I'd love to have the exact
address
from you if you can dig it up.
I was
back to our old digs in Fall of '95 and was amazed at how well
preserved
our building was, although the area, socially, has gone downhill.
Still,
I had a sense of it starting to turn up, although not in the way that
Park
Slope did!
Antoine
********************
Bill
Gargan wrote:
He lived with his aunt on State Street. I have the exact address home.
Brownstone still there. I took some pictures last year.
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
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>They
said last year 100,000 copies of OTR were sold. Does anyone know
>how
that number compares to other works of twentieth century literature.
Not
sure how it compares but I'm sure that number is wholly inaccurate--I'm
betting
it's based on some book retailers report (not having seen the article)
which
are usually based on "new" book sales. Everyone here that buys all of
their
books new raise your hands........................I thought so. I'm
betting
it's closer to 200,000--providing you believe 100,000 people would part
with
their copy of OTR to sell it used....hmm, maybe I'll rethink my numbers.
love and lilies (new and/or used),
matt h.
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2nd
response from John Cassady:
>
Levi,
>
>
With regard to the great Pooh Bear debate, I don't know where he got
>
that for sure. It makes sense it was sister Cathy, though, because my
>
mother read us her favorite A.A. Milne books constantly, so Pooh was
>
Topic A in kid conversation around the house. Cathy was old enough to
>
converse with Jack with some modicum of intelligence in the days when he
>
was around the most (Jack, not Pooh). My guess is: Cathy babble + red
>
wine = "God is Pooh Bear!" Hey, why not?
>
> To
answer Antoine from Montreal, that was indeed the house in Los Gatos
>
from which Dad would roll toward the tire shop without brake one. It was
> up
on a hill, and he also preferred to coast whenever possible. "Why
>
wear out the drive train unnecessarily?" Yeah, whatever. I think it was
> a
throwback to the days before brakes OR motors. He did the same things
>
with his bicycles as a youth. I guess piloting a vehicle, especially
>
down hills, was more of a challenge without breaks.
>
> JC
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: Burroughs' Estate
James
Grauerholz, who has been with Burroughs for over 23 years, is his heir.
The estate is set up (like Allen Ginsberg's)
as a Trust. James intends to
administer
this Trust as a sacred legacy, continuing the artistic and social
purposes
of Burroughs' entire life and work.
None of
WSB's personal possessions (such as his guns) will be sold; his house
is
being kept just as it was during his lifetime, by a caretaker who is a
close
friend, and his two surviving cats (Ginger and Muty) are lovingly cared
for, in
the home. The majority of the archives
is already on deposit at Ohio
State
University, and WSB's letters and mss. will _not_ be sold on the
collector's
market, at all.
Forthcoming
artistic works include (not in order of projected release):
(working
title) Last Words: The Final Journals
of WSB -- based on writings
from
the last two years of William's life; publisher probably Grove/Atlantic,
but not
yet set
Word
Virus: The Selected Writings of WSB
(Grove/Atlantic) -- a "portable"
Burroughs
reader, edited by James G. and Ira Silverberg
The
Third Mind (Grove/Atlantic) -- a facsimile edition of the original 1965
Burroughs-Gysin
collage manuscript (as seen in the LA County Museum catalog
for the
"Ports of Entry" show)
(working
title) Prakriti Junction: A Portrait of William Burroughs, Jr.
(Grove/Atlantic)
-- a collection of Billy's unpublished writings from the
last
seven years of his life ('74-'81), with letters by him and to him,
interviews
and other documents; edited by David Ohle
The
Letters of William S. Burroughs, Volume II, 1959-1974 (Viking Penguin) --
a
continuation of Volume I (1945-1959), edited by Oliver Harris
(working
title) Evil River: An Autobiography (Viking Penguin) -- composed of
memoir
writings by WSB made during the 1980s, edited by Barry Miles
William
S. Burroughs on Giorno Poetry Systems (Mouth Almighty / Mercury
Records)
-- a four-CD boxed set of all of WSB's recordings issued on the GPS
label,
plus some never-released material, accompanied by five
fully-illustrated
booklets of text etc.
Naked
Lunch, The Audiobook (performed by WSB) -- originally released by Time
Warner
Audio Books in 1995, with music by Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz and
Eyvind
Kang, produced by Hal Willner and James Grauerholz; to be re-edited by
HW
& JG for re-release in an improved version
Queer,
The Audiobook -- to be performed by Steve Buscemi this year
diane
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I'm
working on tracking down some people for possible interviews as part
of my
Beat Lit class. Does anyone know the
addresses or current
whereabouts
of Joyce Johnston, Joanne Kyger, and Anne Waldeman? Anything
that
will get me a lead on contacting them will be appreciated.
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At
08:57 AM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>They
said last year 100,000 copies of OTR were sold. Does anyone know
>>how
that number compares to other works of twentieth century literature.
>
>
>Not
sure how it compares but I'm sure that number is wholly inaccurate--I'm
>betting
it's based on some book retailers report (not having seen the article)
>which
are usually based on "new" book sales. Everyone here that buys all of
>their
books new raise your hands........................I thought so. I'm
>betting
it's closer to 200,000--providing you believe 100,000 people would part
>with
their copy of OTR to sell it used....hmm, maybe I'll rethink my numbers.
>
> love and lilies (new and/or used),
>
> matt h.
>
>
Its
just a little squib on top of the NYTimes Sunday Magazine
that
says OTR sold 110,000 copies last year alone.
It says
the
book was released 40 years ago this week by Viking.
Mike
Rice
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in the
bookstore where i work (B.Dalton) we have the 40th anniv edition
of
"on the road". I can't seem to order or buy any Burroughs in
hardcover,
just in oversized paperback. The only ones in hardcover that i
have
are: "my education", "selected letters..", "cat
inside" and "ghost
of
chance". Maybe a check with www.amazon.com would help.
sorry
for venting,
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Subject: Memory Babe: The Movie
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Since
most of you seem to think an OTR movie would be bad, or not worthy
of the
book, maybe Coppola should option the rights to Memory Babe
instead. Jack Kerouac had a compellinglife story
that itself would make
a
terrific movie.
A story
of a man who had his dreams come true and found out that
sometimes
dreams arent what they seem to be.
(Hey
Gerald, ifyou're out there, has anyone ever approached about the
film
rights to MemoryBabe?)
RJW
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>Since
most of you seem to think an OTR movie would be bad, or not worthy
>of
the book, maybe Coppola should option the rights to Memory Babe
>instead. Jack Kerouac had a compellinglife story
that itself would make
>a
terrific movie.
>
>A
story of a man who had his dreams come true and found out that
>sometimes
dreams arent what they seem to be.
>
>(Hey
Gerald, ifyou're out there, has anyone ever approached about the
>film
rights to MemoryBabe?)
>
>RJW
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hello.
i
recently read somwhere that micheal mcclure wrote the original
lyrics
for "oh lord won't you buy me a mercedes benz". and janis
joplin
did a revision and put it on a record. does anyone happen to
know if
the original lyrics are published and where? thanx
randy
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I haven't received any mail from this list
for days!
What's going on?
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At
08:15 PM 9/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Since
most of you seem to think an OTR movie would be bad, or not worthy
>>of
the book, maybe Coppola should option the rights to Memory Babe
>>instead. Jack Kerouac had a compellinglife story
that itself would make
>>a
terrific movie.
>>
>>A
story of a man who had his dreams come true and found out that
>>sometimes
dreams arent what they seem to be.
>>
>>(Hey
Gerald, ifyou're out there, has anyone ever approached about the
>>film
rights to MemoryBabe?)
>>
>>RJW
>
okay,
call me ignorant, but I didn't know there was an OTR movie out...
Who's
in it? What year? I did just see The
LAst Time I Committed Suicide,
thought
it was decent, but not great.
Anna
Tulou
Ltulou@erols.com
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Can
anyone tell me where people can post poetry on a list like this for open
critiques,
etc. ? If you could let me know, that'd
be great.
Wheaties,
Anna
Tulou
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At
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> I
haven't received any mail from this list for days!
>
>
What's going on?
>
>
>
Joe
>
I don't
know hon, but I just joined and have gotten about thirty pieces.
It's
probably your computer
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Anna
Tulou wrote:
>
> At
09:44 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> I haven't received any mail from this list for days!
>
>
>
> What's going on?
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> I
don't know hon, but I just joined and have gotten about thirty pieces.
>
It's probably your computer
patricia
writes,
I
somehow got unsubscribed about two weeks ago. I simply resubscribed,,
of
course be a dope it took forever to do it correctly and to tell that
I
wasn't recieving post. that lawyer guy was both smart enough and kind
enough
to bach channel me.
patricia
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Some of
the Dharma, straddling pgs 17 and 18
origin
of God is Pooh Bear
typed
in below by me
______________________
DIALOG
BETWEEN MAN AND CHILDREN
"Why is the mountain sitting
there?" (man asks Children)
Jamie: "Because nobody's on there and
were not supposed to climb on
it because the dirt'll fall off"
"Who made the mountain?" (man)
They: "God made it"
Man: "Who is God?"
Cathy: "Us " And right then
Cathy sayd: "He wants to play with the
fence."
Man: "Who?"
Cathy (showing bear toy): "Me. Don't you know that I am Poo Bear?"
God is
Poo Bear
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Even
this time through OTR, I still think the following paragraph is one
of the
best in the book, and it comes at a time when he is mentally
worn-down,
hungry, and disillusioned with Dean for leaving him and
Marylou
alone in San Francisco with no money.
pg.
172-173--in paperback version
"I
walked around, picking butts from the street.
I passed a
fish-'n-chips
joint on Market Street, and suddenly the woman in there
gave me
a terrified look as I passed; she was the proprietress, she
apparently
thought I was coming in there with a gun to hold up the joint.
I walked on a few feet. It suddenly occurred to me this was my
mother
of
about two hundred years ago in England, and that I was her footpad
son,
returning from gaol to haunt her honest labors in the hashery. I
stopped,
frozen with ecstasy on the sidewalk. I
looked down Market
Street. I didn't know whether it was that or Canal
Street in New
Orleans:
it led to water, ambigious, universal water, just as 42nd
Street,
New York, leads to water, and you never know where you are. I
thought
of Ed Dunkel's ghost on Times Square. I
was delirious. I wanted
to go
back and leer at my strange Dickensian mother in the hash joint. I
tingled
all over from head to foot. It seemed I
had a whole host of
memories
leading back to 1750 in England and that I was in San Francisco
now
only in another life and another body. 'No,' that woman seemed to say
with
that terrified glance, 'don't come back and plague your honest,
hard-working
mother. You are no longer like a son to
me--and your
father,
my first husband. 'Ere this kindly Greek took pity on me.' (The
proprietor
was a Greek with hairy arms.) 'You are no good, inclined to
drunkenness
and routs and final disgraceful robbery of the fruits of my
'umble
labors in the hashery. O son! did you
not ever go on your knees
and
pray for deliverance for all of your sins and scroundrel's acts? Lost
boy!
Depart! Do not haunt my soul; I have done well forgetting you.
Reopen
no old wounds, be as if you had never returned and looked in to
me--to
see my laboring humilities, my few scrubbed pennies--hungry to
grab,
quick to deprive, sullen, unloved, mean-minded son of my flesh.
Son!
Son!' It made me think of the Big Pop vision in Graetna with Old
Bull. And for just a moment I had reached the
point of ecstasy that I
always
wanted to reach, which was the complete step across chronological
time
into timeless shadows, and wonderment in the bleakness of the mortal
realm,
and the sensation of death kicking at my heels to move on, with a
phantom
dogging its own heels, and myself hurrying to a plank where all
the
angels dove off and flew into the holy void of uncreated emptiness,
the
potent and inconceivable radiancies shining in bright Mind Essence,
innumerable
lotuslands falling open in the magic mothswarm of heaven. I
could
hear an incredible seething roar which wasn't in my ear but
everywhere
and had nothing to do with sounds. I
realized that I had died
and
been reborn numerous times but just didn't remember especially
because
the transitions from life to death and back to life are so
ghostly
easy, a magical action for naught, like falling asleep and waking
up
again a million times, the utter casualness and the deep ignorance of
it. I realized it was only because of the
stability of the intrinsic
Mind
that these ripples of birth and death took place, like the action of
wind on
a sheet of pure, serene, mirror-like water.
I felt sweet,
swinging
bliss, like a big shot of heroin in the mainline vein; like a
gulp of
wine late in the afternoon and it makes you shudder; my
feettingled. I thought I was going to die the very next
moment. But I
didn't
die, and walked four miles and picked up ten long butts and took
them
back to Marylou's hotel room and poured their tobacco in my old pipe
and lit
up. I was too young to know what had
happened."
DC
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" Shortly before midnight on Wednesday,
September
4,
1957, Jack Kerouac and Joyce Johnson, a young writer he
was
living with, left her apartment on the Upper West Side in New
York
City to wait at a newsstand at Sixty-sixth Street and
Broadway
for the next day's New York Times to come off the delivery
truck.
Kerouac had been alerted by his publisher that his novel
On the
Road would be reviewed in that issue, and so they bought
the
first copy of the Times they could pull from the stack.
Standing
under a street lamp, they turned the pages until they found the
column
"Books of the Times"--- Ann Charters"
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: James G: A touch of class
Some
people have asked me privately how I came upon the information about
WSB's
estate, so I thought I'd say something about that.
I've
had the good fortune of having the friendship of James Grauerholz since
the
death of Allen Ginsberg. He is a kind, sensitive, intelligent person.
William
could not have had a better friend and advisor in his life than
James.
James's
wisdom and prudence has guaranteed WSB's immortality in literature
and
legend. He certainly was responsible for making sure William's archives
would
be preserved, and he did this both for William and for everyone who
admired
him or wants to read him. I have no end of admiration for James and
his
foresight that allowed WSB to pass from life into history and leave no
wake on
the water in the process.
However,
I have no cachet with the Estate, nor did I know William. During the
time
following Allen's death, both James and William struggled with grief. I
didn't
feel any compulsion to insinuate myself into their lives for the
purpose
of gathering information or fulfilling some fan-tasy.
Knowing
James during this time of loss, first of Allen, then of William, has
made me
impatient with the flip comments of people who dehumanize
"celebrities"
for the sake of humor or misplaced wit. WSB was a real person,
with an
active conscience and his own internal struggles and challenges of
life.
So is James Grauerholz, who understood the yin and yang of William and
gave
him unconditional support and protection up until his death.
It was
a real honor for James to choose to share this information with the
250
people who subscribe to the Beat-L newsgroup. As far as I know, he has
not
announced this anywhere else.
But
it's an even greater honor that William had such a thoughtful, practical,
and
determined friend and assistant to preserve his legacy without ego or
financial
gain, so his words can truly live forever.
diane
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At
10:03 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At
08:15 PM 9/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Since
most of you seem to think an OTR movie would be bad, or not worthy
>>>of
the book, maybe Coppola should option the rights to Memory Babe
>>>instead. Jack Kerouac had a compellinglife story
that itself would make
>>>a
terrific movie.
>>>
>>>A
story of a man who had his dreams come true and found out that
>>>sometimes
dreams arent what they seem to be.
>>>
>>>(Hey
Gerald, ifyou're out there, has anyone ever approached about the
>>>film
rights to MemoryBabe?)
>>>
>>>RJW
>>
>okay,
call me ignorant, but I didn't know there was an OTR movie out...
>Who's
in it? What year? I did just see The
LAst Time I Committed Suicide,
>thought
it was decent, but not great.
>
>Anna
Tulou
>Ltulou@erols.com
>
>
Dear
Tululah,
You
must be new to the list. We've spent
the past five
days
talking of very little else.
Mike
Rice
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At
07:43 PM 9/3/97 +0200, you wrote:
>" Shortly before midnight on Wednesday,
September
>4,
1957, Jack Kerouac and Joyce Johnson, a young writer he
>was
living with, left her apartment on the Upper West Side in New
>York
City to wait at a newsstand at Sixty-sixth Street and
>Broadway
for the next day's New York Times to come off the delivery
>truck.
Kerouac had been alerted by his publisher that his novel
>On
the Road would be reviewed in that issue, and so they bought
>the
first copy of the Times they could pull from the stack.
>Standing
under a street lamp, they turned the pages until they found the
>column
"Books of the Times"--- Ann Charters"
>
>
Hey,
don't we get the review, too. Or at
least: "and the rest is history!"
Mike
Rice
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Kerouac! Deatils
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I have
added a page to give details for upcoming Lowell Celebrates Kerouac.
Go to:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
Bye for
now, back to bed with the flu I go. :) Paul of TKQ...
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Question
from the ignorant: what is back
channeling? How is it done?
Thanks
>Anna
Tulou wrote:
>>
>>
At 09:44 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
> I haven't received any mail from this list for days!
>>
>
>>
> What's going on?
>>
>
>>
>
>>
> Joe
>>
>
>>
I don't know hon, but I just joined and have gotten about thirty pieces.
>>
It's probably your computer
>
>patricia
writes,
>I
somehow got unsubscribed about two weeks ago. I simply resubscribed,,
>of
course be a dope it took forever to do it correctly and to tell that
>I
wasn't recieving post. that lawyer guy was both smart enough and kind
>enough
to bach channel me.
>patricia
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In a
short comment on the 40th Anniversary of On the road, The Boston
Globe
reported that OTR has sold over 3 million copies total and is
now
selling about 60,000 per year. They provided no break down on
these
numbers.
As an
aside, NH public radio recently broadcast a presentation by
Thornton
Wilder's Literary Executor who noted that, although Wilder is
recognized
as one of the greats of 20th Century American Literature,
he was
sorry to say that none of his works are currently in print, but
that he
was working on several promising opportunities.
Mark
Hemenway
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Web)
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Patricia
wrote:
>Rinaldo,
>an
absolutely shit kicking list. i love
it. am trying to create a
>file
that talks a little bit about each of these people. I am working
>on
the connections between them. Could be a thesis.
>p
>
>
Patricia
& friends,
thanks
for yr support. i've write Patricia's motto in the
top of
the page of the deluxe version of the Beats:The List
(thanks
James Stauffer for some suggestion for the title).
on the
Web,
http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/beats.htm
ciao da
Rinaldo.
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Preston,
and any other new comers,
Backchannel
is a reply not to the list address in the "Reply to" space
on your
browser but to the individual posting indicated where your mail
says
"from". Backchannel is
wonderful and reduces traffic sent to the
whole
list.
J.
Stauffer
Preston
Whaley wrote:
>
>
Question from the ignorant: what is
back channeling? How is it done?
>
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From: Bill Gargan
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Subject: joes's post
The
following message is meant as a gentle reminder to think about what
we're
posting to the list. Recently, Joe sent
a note to the list about
not
receiving beat-l messages. Several
people responded to the list.
Well,
if Joe's not getting his mail from beat-l, posting a reply on the
list
isn't going to help him. These posts
should have been sent
directly
to Joe rather than the list. Please
consider whether or not
your
mail is appropriate to everyone on the list before posting your
message.
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From: PATRICK <EASTWIND@EROLS.COM>
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Alex
Howard wrote:
>
>
I'm working on tracking down some people for possible interviews as part
> of
my Beat Lit class. Does anyone know the
addresses or current
>
whereabouts of Joyce Johnston, Joanne Kyger, and Anne Waldeman? Anything
>
that will get me a lead on contacting them will be appreciated.
>
>
------------------
>
Alex Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>
kh14586@acs.appstate.edu
P.O. Box 12149
>
http://www.acs.appstate.edu/~kh14586
Boone, NC 28608
Ann
Waldman is at the Naropi Institute, 2130 Arapahoe, Boulder, Colorado
80302--she
teaches there and probably can tell you where others are. If
you run
across whereabouts of Grogory Corso, please let me know.
We
publish books and are considering a book on Beats...
patrick
eastwind@erols.com
Eastwind
Publishing
PO Box
1773
Annapolis,MD
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Michael Stutz wrote:
>
> Do
you think this nirvana he describes is the IT talked about in other
>
parts
> of
the book, and that one great loving feeling he's always looking for,
>
described in VOC and OTR and others & discussed on the list, that Big
>
Thing
>
that JK was always looking for & never really found except in small
>
fleeting
>
moments of prose like this? I think it could be for this that he wrote,
>
it's
>
for this feeling that drove Jack Kerouac and writers like him. I wonder
>
too
> if
the "beware of nirvana" Buddhist warnings of AG and others were
>
because
>
otherwise you'll be attached to this fleeting image & end up like Jack
>
did?
I do
think this is the IT he talks about in almost all of his books and
poems. I think much of his despair came from the
fact these moments
were
fleeting and that he kept looking for a Big Thing. Like when in
Desolation
Angels, he goes to the mountain wanting to be face to face
with
God or find THE meaning of life, and what he finds instead is that
he
comes face to face with himself, and deep down he doesn't really like
himself
all that much. In fact thinks of
himself in the way the woman in
the
window of the passage I quoted thinks of him.
He had to write about
this
stuff because his need to write was so great.
At the same time he
never
is able to let the fleeting epiphanies carry him in the living of
his
life, he still keeps waiting, even searching for a Big Thing to hit
him
over the head and say, this is it, this is the meaning of life, and
it just
doesn't happen. It is as if he knew too
much but not quite
enough.
And ironically, perhaps, this is the position most writers are
in.
DC
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Kikka
wrote:
"Jack
Frusciante (in English it sounds like Rustling
Jack)
is out of his group now.
He had
been the new Red Hot Chili Peppers'
guitarist
for two years. He was thin and brawny,
perhaps
one meter seventy. His hairstyle always
particular,
his trousers short and his shoes
casual.
He was not a genius, our Jack, but he did
what he
had to do, without seeming too strange and
crazy,
like the other components of the group.
Then,
just when success began, he left the group.
Why,
why did he abandon everything if he could be
rich
and famous?
Jack
Frusciante is a symbol. A symbol of a
particular
way of thinking.
If you
just open "Jack Frusciante e' uscito dal
gruppo"
(an Italian book written by Enrico Brizzi)
you
will immediately understand.
Alex
(the main character) is not a common boy. He
is not
like his schoolmates, with big cars and many
blond
girls all around them. He can't understand
society's
rules. He can't love Aidi (a kind of
girlfriend,
but really a strange one) like a boy
loves a
girl; he can't listen to disco music; he
can't
bear the hypocrisy that exists inside all the
people.
So he loves Aidi without even a kiss,
listens
to punk music (so angry and beautiful) and
he
waits for the greatest rebellion you have ever
seen.
Now,
just like Jack, also Alex is out of the group"
ciao,
Kikka
& Rinaldo.
Venice-Mestre,Italy.
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At
02.33 04/09/97 -0400, Mike Rice wrote:
>At
07:43 PM 9/3/97 +0200, you wrote:
>>" Shortly before midnight on Wednesday,
September
>>4,
1957, Jack Kerouac and Joyce Johnson, a young writer he
>>was
living with, left her apartment on the Upper West Side in New
>>York
City to wait at a newsstand at Sixty-sixth Street and
>>Broadway
for the next day's New York Times to come off the delivery
>>truck.
Kerouac had been alerted by his publisher that his novel
>>On
the Road would be reviewed in that issue, and so they bought
>>the
first copy of the Times they could pull from the stack.
>>Standing
under a street lamp, they turned the pages until they found the
>>column
"Books of the Times"--- Ann Charters"
>>
>>
>Hey,
don't we get the review, too. Or at
least: "and the rest is history!"
>
>Mike
Rice
>
>
"The
reviewer was Gilbert Millstein, and he had written:
On the Road is the second novel by
Jack Kerouac, and its
publication is a historic occasion
insofar as the exposure of
an authentic work of art is of any
great moment in any age
in which the attention is fragmented
and the sensibilities are
blunted by the superlatives of
fashion.... [The novel is]
the most beautifully executed, the
clearest and most important
utterance yet made by the generation
Kerouac himself
named years ago as "beat"
and whose principal avatar he is."
--*--
WAKE
UP
MAN!
WAKE
UP!
rINALDO.
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Question from the ignorant: what is
back channeling? How is it done?
it's
slang for sending mail to just someone on the list. just type in
thier
email address instead of the beet-l
>
Thanks
>
don't
worry
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At
02:23 AM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At
10:03 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>At
08:15 PM 9/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Since
most of you seem to think an OTR movie would be bad, or not worthy
>>>>of
the book, maybe Coppola should option the rights to Memory Babe
>>>>instead. Jack Kerouac had a compellinglife story
that itself would make
>>>>a
terrific movie.
>>>>
>>>>A
story of a man who had his dreams come true and found out that
>>>>sometimes
dreams arent what they seem to be.
>>>>
>>>>(Hey
Gerald, ifyou're out there, has anyone ever approached about the
>>>>film
rights to MemoryBabe?)
>>>>
>>>>RJW
>>>
>>okay,
call me ignorant, but I didn't know there was an OTR movie out...
>>Who's
in it? What year? I did just see The
LAst Time I Committed Suicide,
>>thought
it was decent, but not great.
>>
>>Anna
Tulou
>>Ltulou@erols.com
>>
>>
>Dear
Tululah,
>
>You
must be new to the list. We've spent
the past five
>days
talking of very little else.
>
>Mike
Rice
>
yeah
I'm new. But I've been filled in. thanks.
Like my name the way you
say it
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On Tue,
2 Sep 1997, Hipster Beat Poet. wrote:
>
out of curiosity:
> who is graciously getting all of
Bill's firearms and any
>
remaining cats? In other words, what is going on with his estate?
>
> jason
>
"estate"
is a very dirty word on this list.
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Has
anyone heard of a film called "Chappaqua" by Conrad Rooks (unsure on
all
the
spelling here) which featured Ginsberg and Burroughs in it? Someone just
told me
about it and I am mystified.
M Smith
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Which
YMCA in Chi town would that be??????/
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At
07:12 PM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Has
anyone heard of a film called "Chappaqua" by Conrad Rooks (unsure on
all
>the
spelling here) which featured Ginsberg and Burroughs in it? Someone just
>told
me about it and I am mystified.
>
>M
Smith
>
haven't
heard of it but let me know if you find out anything.
Anna
<Ltulou@erols.com>
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In a
message dated 97-09-04 16:00:09 EDT, Diane Carter wrote:
<<
Even this time through OTR, I still think the following paragraph is one
of the best in the book, and it comes at a time
when he is mentally
worn-down, hungry, and disillusioned with
Dean for leaving him and
Marylou alone in San Francisco with no money.
>>
I'm so
fascinated that you chose this paragraph, Diane. A friend of mine read
On The
Road a few months ago, and this was the only passage she didn't
understand,
and she asked me to explain it to her. My tendency is to take
jack
pretty literally most of the time, and my answer to her was that this
was a
particularly vivid descripition of one of jack's many visions, and that
this
one had the particular effect of demonstrating that all is everything
and
nothing, existing at once and never, and proved eternity in the ephemera
of a
moment.
I think
this is the kind of stuff that went on in jack's head all the time,
which
for me, explains a lot. Then again, it explains nothing.
I'm
still too young to know what has happened. What has happened?
diane
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At
03:42 PM 9/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On
Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Hipster Beat Poet. wrote:
>
>>
out of curiosity:
>> who is graciously getting all of
Bill's firearms and any
>>
remaining cats? In other words, what is going on with his estate?
>>
>> jason
>>
>"estate"
is a very dirty word on this list.
>jenn
>
>
Here's
an idea for a new non-fiction book: How to Avoid
Probate
if you have the Misfortune of being Old Bull Lee!
Mike
Rice
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At
07:20 PM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Which
YMCA in Chi town would that be??????/
>
>
You
talkin' to me, you talkin' tuh me!
Mike
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At
08:29 AM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
a short comment on the 40th Anniversary of On the road, The Boston
>Globe
reported that OTR has sold over 3 million copies total and is
>now
selling about 60,000 per year. They provided no break down on
>these
numbers.
>
>As
an aside, NH public radio recently broadcast a presentation by
>Thornton
Wilder's Literary Executor who noted that, although Wilder is
>recognized
as one of the greats of 20th Century American Literature,
>he
was sorry to say that none of his works are currently in print, but
>that
he was working on several promising opportunities.
>
>
>Mark
Hemenway
>
>
Wilder
is too bland, too upbeat, too positive for these cynical times.
Even
some of William Saroyan which often contained at least a little
bur of
contention, is too positive for these times.
Woe is us, maybe?
Mike
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>Here's
an idea for a new non-fiction book: How to Avoid
>Probate
if you have the Misfortune of being Old Bull Lee!
>
>Mike
Rice
I fear that this whole "free exchange
of ideas" business might cost me the
tattered
remnants of my sanity.
James M.
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Yes!
As a matter of fact, I have a copy and have seen it. Let me know if
you are
interested in any other information.
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>Has
anyone heard of a film called "Chappaqua" by Conrad Rooks (unsure on
all
>the
spelling here) which featured Ginsberg and Burroughs in it? Someone
just
>told
me about it and I am mystified.
>
>M
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I was
looking for something among by bookshelves today and stumbled
across
a used copy of Naked Lunch that I must have bought quite a long
time
ago, given the fact that new, this paperback seems to have been sold
for
$1.25. In the front of the book is the
Supreme Court decision
declaring
Naked Lunch not to be obscene, and also in the front section a
transcript
of the court testimony of Allen Ginsberg and Norman Mailer.
Both of
these testimonys were very insightful in terms of approaching the
book
and it's a shame they are not still included in today's printings.
The
dialogue between the court and Ginsberg was very funny. Here are
short
exerpts from Ginsberg's testimony. [Mailer's follow in another
post]
Q.
Would you specify before me, for the Court, a few examples or
illustrations
of ideas having social importance which you feel are
expressed
in his book?
Ginsberg: Yes. Well there are a great number of ideas
in it that have
social
importance; and they are all inter-related in the presentation of
the
book. One of the main ideas is a theory
of junk addiction or a
theory
of heroin addiction applied as a model for addiction to many other
things
besides drugs. It is usually referred
to in the book as "The
Algebra
of Need," and the other addictions which are mentioned in the
book,
are treated dramatically--addiction to homosexuality, which is
considered
by Burroughs also a sort of addiction; and, on a larger scale,
what he
conceives of as the United States addiction to materialistic
goods
and properties. Addiction to money is
mentioned in the book a
number
of times; and most of all, an addiction to power or addiction to
controlling
other people by having power over them.
So throughout the
book
there are dramatic illustrations of people whose obsession or lust
is for
control over the minds and hearts and souls of other people...
[sections
snipped]
The
Court: What do you understand him to mean by the phrase: "As always
the
lunch is naked?" Do you mind me asking these questions?
De
Grazia: No, your Honor.
Ginsberg:
The phrase occurs when he is discussing capital punishment, I
think.
The
Court: Where does he discuss capital punishment?
Ginsberg:
Right in that.
The
Court: He discusses it in the Foreward, or in the Introduction?
Ginsberg:
In the paragraph on the same page.
"Let them see what is on
the end
of that long newspaper spoon."
The
court: What is a newspaper spoon?
Ginsberg:
We are presented or spoonfed with news about death, about
capital
punishment or executions...
The
Court: You think the title, Naked Lunch, related to capital
punishment?
Ginsberg:
No, no. It relates to the nakedness of
seeing, to being able
to see
clearly without any confusing disguises, to see through the
disguise.
The
Court: That is your interpretation of the title?
Ginsberg:
Yes.
The
Court: Or the meaning of the title?
Ginsberg:
Of the word, "Naked," in the title; and Lunch would be a
complete
banquet of all this naked awareness...
The Court:
You wouldn't even remotely associate the title with any
incidents
in this book which portray unnatural acts?
Ginsberg:
Yes, that part of it, too. The
unnatural acts portrayed are
part of
the exhibitions of control.
The
Court: Would you go so far as to say it is associated with a
description
of a person eating excrement, served on a plate here in the
front
part of the book?
Ginsberg:
That particular association had not literally ever occurred to
me.
The
Court: Well, what do you say now?
Ginsberg:
I am sure that could be included, too.
Certainly that would be
included
also. All levels in the title would be
acceptable I think...
[sections
snipped]
Ginsberg:
[reading]
"The
clerk looked at the card, suspiciously: 'You don't look like a bone
feed
mast-fed Razor Back to me...What do you think about the Jeeeeews?'
'Well,
Mr. Anker, you know yourself all a Jew wants to do is doodle a
Christian
girl...One of these days we'll cut the rest of it off.'"
The
Court: What page are you one now?
Ginsberg:
Page 177. It's very funny actually.
The
Court: Well, let me ask you this: Is
that sentence offensive to you?
Ginsberg:
I am Jewish; and I should be offended.
What Burroughs is
doing,
he is parodying this monster; he is parodying this anti-Semite.
[much
snipped]
Q: What
about the art involved?
The
Court: the literary art...
Ginsberg:
Yes. That kind of courage and the kind of impulse as a kind of
idealism
on the part of the author, I feel is an integral part of
literary
art. On a more superficial level there
is the question of style
composition,
like mosaic, I was saying. The passages
have been put in
place
like mosaic, dealt out with great finesse and great beauty in this
book. That the main literary qualities that I have
noticed and many
other
people have noticed have been, first of all--he's got a fantastic
ear for
common speech, like a doctor giving a lecture on medicine, a
junkie
dunking poundcake, a narcotics officer confronting the distruct
supervisor,
an Arab boy on a street in North Africa, a middle-aged
suburban
housewife, a southern county clerk.
This is a fantastic gamut
of
speech rhythms, diction and still-life style, to be able to reproduce
with
great, short, economic exactness...
[snipped]
Q:
Didn't you once write a poem about Naked Lunch?
Ginsberg:
Yes, a long time ago.
Q: Do
you have it?
Ginsberg:
Yes.
Q: What
does this appear in?
Ginsberg:
A book of my own called Reality Sandwiches.
The
Court: Where will I find that book?
Ginsberg:
Probably in Cambridge. It's a poem I
wrote early on reading
passages
here. That was "On Burroughs'
Work. May I read it?
Q: Yes,
please do.
Ginsberg:
The method must be purest meat
and no symbolic dressing,
actual visions & actual prisons
as seen then and now.
Prisons and visions presented
with rare descriptions
corresponding exactly to those
of Alcatraz and Rose.
A naked lunch is natural to us,
we eat reality sandwiches.
But allegories are so much lettice.
Don't hide the madness.
De
Grazia: No more questions.
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Here is
a quote from Norman Mailer at the Naked Lunch trial:
"William
Burroughs is in my opinion--whatever his conscious intention may
be--a
religious writer. There is a sense in
Naked Lunch of the
destruction
of the soul, which is more intense than any I have
encountered
in any other modern novel. It is a
vision of how mankind
would
act if man was totally divorced from eternity.
What gives this
vision
a machine-gun-edged clarity is an utter lack of sentimentality.
The
expression of sentimentality in religious matters comes forth usually
as a
sort of saccharine piety which revolts any idea of religious
sentiment
in those who are sensitive, discriminating, or deep of feeling.
Burroughs avoids even the possibility of such
sentimentality (which
would,
of course, destroy the value of his work), by attaching a
stringent,
mordant vocabulary to a series of precise and horrible events,
a
species of gallows humor which is a defeated man's last pride, the
pride
that he has, at least, not lost his bitterness. So is the sort of
humor
which flourishes in prisons, in the Army, among junkies, race
tracks
and pool halls, a graffiti of cool, even livid wit, based on
bodily
functions and the frailties of the body, the slights,
humiliations
and tortures a body can undergo. It is
a wild and deadly
humor,
as even and implacable as a sales tax; it is the small coin of
communication
in every one of these worlds. Bitter as
alkali, it pickles
every
serious subject in the caustic of the harshest experience; what is
left untouched is as dry and silver as a
bone. It is the sort of fine,
dry
residue which is the emotional substance of Burroughs' work for me.
Just as Hieronymous Bosch set down the
most diabolical and
blood-curdling
details with a delicacy of line and a Puckish humor which
left
one with a sense of the mansions of horror attendant upon Hell, so
too,
does Burroughs leave you with an intimate, detailed vision of what
Hell
might be like, a Hell which might be waiting as a culmination, the
fina;
product, of the scientific revolution.
At the end of medicine is
dope;
at the end of life is death; at the end of man may be the Hell
which
arrives from the vanities of the mind.
Nowhere, as in Naked
Lunch's
collection of monsters, half-mad geniuses, cripples, mountebanks,
criminals,
perverts, and putrefying beasts is there such a modern panoply
of the
vanities of the human will, of the excesses of evil which occur
when
the idea of personal or intellectual power reigns superior to the
compassions
of the flesh..."
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I'll be
offlist for the next three weeks.
Finally decided to make that
long
pilgrimage from the red hills of Georgia to the wild coast of
Californee...so
I'm headed for City Lights via all the tourist attractions
between
here and there. First stop, Graceland!
Stay
beat!
Judith
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excellant
work James, a short note on Ohle
>
> David Ohle--Burroughs circle,
p adds,
David wrote "Motor Man",
wrote and edited "City Moon"
magazines,
(a great editor), Hippy Tales
Is S.
Clay Wilson listed?
p
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could
someone please send me the FAQ for list, especially the no mail
thingee?
i'd appreciate the whole thing about sub, unsub, stop mail, etc.
every
time some one asks me to help join lists i've had to fob requests off
on
others, as
i've
lost all info to the monster that eats up my saved mail once in a while.
i'll be
gone 2 wks in oct and can't imagine coming back to an exploding
mailbox
(am on 3 other lists)
thanks
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say hi
to elvis for me.
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Mitchell
Smith wrote:
>
>
Has anyone heard of a film called "Chappaqua" by Conrad Rooks (unsure
on all
>
the spelling here) which featured Ginsberg and Burroughs in it? Someone just
>
told me about it and I am mystified.
>
> M
Smith
Your
spelling's quite right. Chappaqua was made in 1965, and won an
award
at the Venice Film Festival as far as I know. Here's the
information
on the film from the Internet Movie Database (
http://www.imdb.com/
):
Directed
by Conrad Rooks
Cast
(in alphabetical order)
Jean-Louis Barrault
William S. Burroughs
Ornette Coleman
Allen Ginsberg
Paula Pritchett
Conrad Rooks
Written
by Conrad Rooks
Cinematography
by Robert Frank
Music
by Ravi Shankar
Additional
to this, I know that The Fugs also did some cool psychedelic
music
for the film. There are a few Burroughs soundbytes on the Ravi
Shankar
soundtrack album.
A quick
plot summary off the IMDB (not mine):
Semi-autobiographical
story of Conrad Rooks, who travels to France to
undergo
a drug-withdrawal cure. Flashbacks to the beginings of
psychedelia
in San Francisco.
Hope
that helps.
Anton
Raath.
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Hey
ffolks.
I'm
back (applause please.)
So I go
off for the summer holdiay, to Belize, come back two
months
later, and phone up my mate Neb. We
chat...
"Oh
by the way, William Burroughs is dead."
"Yeah,
right."
"No,
seriously. A few weeks ago."
"Oh
shit."
So by
this point, I'm, like, REAAAAAALY glad to be back in
western
life again. Whoopee, Bill Lee's gone to
the great
Interzone
in the sky. I cannot say how much this
depressed
me. The man was a genuine rennaisance guy,
painting,
literature... he even made an artwork out of life. I'll
miss
him, even though I didn't know him. It
just did me
heart
good to know that people like that still existed.
*sigh*
So I
suppose that's it for the BIG THREE then (AG, JK and
WSB). Don't jump on me or anything, but I was only
(;-))
about
fourty years behind the beatifics, so the rest don't
hold so
much power for me. Just me p. o. v.
At
least Ken Kesey's still around.
Ummm..
I know that all this sort of thing has probably been
done
quite a while back, but I only just got back to uni.
(only
place I get net access), and was confronted with over
3000
e-mails. Not even I could be bothered
to go through
them
all. So I deleted them. Sorry.
I remember the
Ginsberg
thing, and it was something that you just had to be
there
for (not that I was then either).
But I
thought I'd tell you anyway.
At
least I've got my Beat Gen. degree unit this semester.
But I
was sure that all the magazines would have tribute
things,
like Ginsberg had (didn't he get on the cover of
Rolling
Stone after his death?). But so far...
nitch. And
people
who know me probably know who I blame it on... the
Literary
Establishment, maaan. If you ask me
they need a
damn
good kick up up the arse.
And the
truly wierd thing? All around me,
people are
wandering
around sniffing in a daze because Ex-princess
Diana
has died. And I'm more upset about
Bill. Still. In
a way,
I reason it that I sort of knew Bill in a way.
And I
never
knew this Diana women.
Ho hum.
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"Language
is a virus"
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Subject: sentimentality
In her
last post on Naked Lunch, Diane raised the issue of
sentimentality. Certainly, Burroughs, like Old Bull Lee, is
free from
that
vice. Kerouac, however, has been the
subject of a charge of
sentimentality
more than once. At the end of a term
paper I wrote for
him on
Kerouac, Alfred Kazin noted "But what about his spaniel
sentimentality?" I argue that Kerouac USUALLY rises above
it,
frequently
undercutting such notions with mock-heroic juxtapositions as
in the
cowboy scene in OTR. What do you think
folks about the Beats --
particularly
Kerouac and Ginsberg -- in terms of their being overly
sentimental?
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First
off, I want to say that James Grauerholz is a prince among men. I
have
heard some people disparage him in the past, but most of their
complaints
have been that he wouldn't give them access to Burroughs. All
that
time James was looking out for WSB's best interests, and after his
death,
James obviously still has the best interest of the Burroughs estate
and
legend at heart.
The
thought of what would become of the estate had crossed my mind, and in
truth,
had James sold it off to private collectors and lived off the fat
of the
land, I don't think I would have blamed him, or judged him for it.
He
deserves whatever he can get in terms of profits and royalties that
come
from the Burroughs oeuvre, because if James hadn't rescued Burroughs
from
NY, he would have died long before he had a chance to finish his
greatest
artistic achievement (the Red Night trilogy). The fact that James
is
keeping the estate together, and making it available to scholars and
admirers
through Ohio State is a testament to his class.
Just
some notes on the items below:
>
James Grauerholz, who has been with Burroughs for over 23 years, is his heir.
23
again.
>
The majority of the archives is already on deposit at Ohio
>
State University, and WSB's letters and mss. will _not_ be sold on the
>
collector's market, at all.
One of
these days, I'll have to take a vacation at Ohio State to romp
amongst
the archives. Ever since I read about the alternate version of
Place
of Dead Roads in Literary Outlaw, I've been waiting to see it.
>
The Third Mind (Grove/Atlantic) -- a facsimile edition of the original 1965
>
Burroughs-Gysin collage manuscript (as seen in the LA County Museum catalog
>
for the "Ports of Entry" show)
Since
seeing the show in LA, I'd been wondering if this was in the works.
LACMA
acquired all the original works, with the exception of 5 or 6. This
will be
a major publishing event for Burroughs admirers and scholars.
>
(working title) Evil River: An Autobiography (Viking Penguin) -- composed of
>
memoir writings by WSB made during the 1980s, edited by Barry Miles
Someone
posted to the list about a year ago that they had seen this in a
publisher's
catalogue somewhere. I guess it wasn't ephemeral, it does
appear
to exist in one form or another. I think Evil River would be a
perfect
title, although I would opt for the full title as Burroughs
envisioned
it: My Past is an Evil River. For anyone wondering, the title
is from
The Cat Inside. Burroughs says that nobody would write a
completely
honest autobiography, it would have to be called My Past is an
Evil
River. Would throw something up the ass of the New Criterion shits.
>
William S. Burroughs on Giorno Poetry Systems (Mouth Almighty / Mercury
>
Records) -- a four-CD boxed set of all of WSB's recordings issued on the GPS
>
label, plus some never-released material, accompanied by five
>
fully-illustrated booklets of text etc.
Zowie.
Can't wait for this one, although we already knew about the
existence
of the box set, this is the first time we've seen the specific
details.
I hope the original album art will be included; there were some
pretty
snazzy photographs on the covers of the vinyl.
>
Naked Lunch, The Audiobook (performed by WSB) -- originally released by Time
>
Warner Audio Books in 1995, with music by Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz and
>
Eyvind Kang, produced by Hal Willner and James Grauerholz; to be re-edited by
> HW
& JG for re-release in an improved version
Great.
I didn't buy it when it first came out, so I'll wait for the new
version.
Now the
only thing that remains conspicuously unavailable, that wasn't
reissued
in a revised edition, is The Exterminator! with Brion Gysin.
Personally,
I've got a copy, but I had to pay through the nose to get it.
It
would be nice if some of the early works published in small editions
were to
find reprints for the masses, kind of like Junky. Minutes To Go
wouldn't
be a bad choice either. It is lovely to know that the kind of
crap
that bogged (and is still bogging) down the Kerouac estate won't ruin
the
Burroughs estate.
Cheers,
Neil
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("burroughs: skin ovr steel")
the voice:
gravel in an open
wound.
watching from aside
camouflaged under
coldsteel suit and hat -
hgwell's
invisible man
without
the bandages
once the uniform of every businessman - inconspicuous in starch
collar
snap
brim
professional.
beneath shadow
of fedora:
tight
& taut
skin
pulled over --
wrds skidding across the page in
cold
push of
wetbrick muscle
observant nerves - feeling the tension
moving under the surface
skin translucent
(re)veal (ing)
the biology of the
movements.
the familiar pungent odour
of
cauterized
words.
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Bill Gargan wrote:
> What do you think folks about the Beats --
>
particularly Kerouac and Ginsberg -- in terms of their being overly
>
sentimental?
Brings
to mind a personal experience I had last week.
I wrote an article
about
hiking on a mountain here in Vermont. My second paragraph was
probably
two sentences of about 12 lines each, very
descriptive,
describing how the mountain speaks to the soul, and how
small
but important human life seems from the top of the mountain. My
editor
called me, laughing hysterically, and said, you're not serious,
are
you? You don't really expect me to print this, it's so over-written
and
gushy! Must be you've been reading
Ginsberg again. (she has never
read
any beat writer and she just doesn't get IT)
I said no, actually,
if
anything it's my one-paragraph tribute to Kerouac and I knew you would
cut
it. But this leads to what a lot of
people say about Kerouac, that
he's
too sentimental, too sensitive, too gushy.
It is actually the
quality
about him that I like and I think he does ground it in reality
most of
the time. I don't often think of Ginsberg as sentimental and I
think
that's because sensitivity in poetry is quite different than in
prose. Kerouac is so taken by things that he does
tend to go on and on,
and a lot
of people, like my editor, would probably say, he could have
said
that in one sentence, instead of three pages.
I think the more you
read
Kerouac the less sentimental it seems, or perhaps you just become
more
attuned to him.
And, by
the way, the copy editor that got my article next, said leave it
in,
just shorten the lines. So, for anyone
that cares to read it, here
is my
one-paragraph tribute to Kerouac, probably inspired by Desolation
Angels:
The
mountain has captured a part of my heart and mind. There is
something
primordial there--the mountain reveals itself through gigantic
weathered
rock formations created by volcanic activity or continental
collisions
485 million years ago and then shaped by glaciers. I've heard
the
voice of the mountain in the sound of the wind barrelling over the
tops of
rocks. It speaks of age, creation, and
power, amid which human
life
seems small, even infinitesimal, yet because of that smallness,
terribly
important. When the mountain is still,
my soul is still. Yet
there
are days when the mountain is so engulfed in clouds and fog that it
is hard
to believe it is even there, except its presence, huge and
unmoving,
is felt looming overhead. Even the
buildings are vestiges of
stone,
and picnic areas are set in scenes of gothic simplicity and
reference. All of this is far above the workday sounds
of the world
below:
town settlements in valleys, croaking factory smokestacks,
ordinary
people whooshing down the Interstate.
DC
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Diane De Rooy wrote:
>
I'm so fascinated that you chose this paragraph, Diane. A friend of
>
mine read
> On
The Road a few months ago, and this was the only passage she didn't
>
understand, and she asked me to explain it to her. My tendency is to
>
take
>
jack pretty literally most of the time, and my answer to her was that
>
this
>
was a particularly vivid descripition of one of jack's many visions,
>
and that
>
this one had the particular effect of demonstrating that all is
>
everything
>
and nothing, existing at once and never, and proved eternity in the
>
ephemera
> of
a moment.
>
> I
think this is the kind of stuff that went on in jack's head all the
>
time,
>
which for me, explains a lot. Then again, it explains nothing.
>
>
I'm still too young to know what has happened. What has happened?
Then, I
must also be too young to know what has happened. This
particular
quality Kerouac had to see into the heart of things is very
special,
I think, and permeates all of his work to some extent. It so
especially
stands out in OTR because there is such a sense of rushing
here
and there, back and forth across the country, and there we have this
vision,
from one quiet moment looking in a window; how we are all really
caught
in this polarity between all and nothing.
DC
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Subject: St. Marks Celebrates OTR
The St.
Marks Poetry Project will hold a marathon reading of OTR on
Wednesday,
Sept. 24, 1997 to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the
book's
publication. The reading will begin at
7 p.m. and continue
through
Thursday. Over 70 writers and
musicians, including David Amram,
Penny
Arcade, Ann Douglas, Jonathan Franzen, Richard Hell, Hettie Jones,
Taylor
Mead, Ricky Moody, and Bradford Morrow will participate. For
more
information, call the poetry project at 212-674-0910 or email them
at
poproj@artomatic.com. I believe there's
also a web address but I
don't
want to post it until I've personally checked the url.
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>In
her last post on Naked Lunch, Diane raised the issue of
>sentimentality. Certainly, Burroughs, like Old Bull Lee, is
free from
>that
vice. Kerouac, however, has been the
subject of a charge of
>sentimentality
more than once. At the end of a term
paper I wrote for
>him
on Kerouac, Alfred Kazin noted "But what about his spaniel
>sentimentality?" I argue that Kerouac USUALLY rises above
it,
>frequently
undercutting such notions with mock-heroic juxtapositions as
>in
the cowboy scene in OTR. What do you
think folks about the Beats --
>particularly
Kerouac and Ginsberg -- in terms of their being overly
>sentimental?
>
I don't necessarily consider sentimentality
a "vice" when it comes to
literature. Sentimentality is intrinsically tied to
memory. I'd argue that
sentimentality
in writing demonstrates an author's ability to re-live
(frequently
to re-love) the past on paper. I won't
get into the reliability
of
memory here but neither Kerouac nor Ginsberg stick in my mind as overly
"gushy"
or "flowery" writers.
James M.
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Greetings
to all!
It's
great to be back on the list. I really
missed the coming together in
remembrance
of William Burroughs that i was grateful for when Allen passed
away. In fact, i didn't even know that WSB had
died until about a week
after
the event. I finally got to read Naked
Lunch this summer and LOVED
it. it was really hard to get, but i thought his
prose was very
beautiful. And parts of it will stick in my head
forever. "I don't want
your
money, honey, I want your time."
I would
like to send a thank you out to Jeffrey, it made my day when i
checked
my mail at the post office and got this cool T-shirt. In fact, im
wearing
it right now and it is fastly becoming my favorite shirt. Have
received
many good comments about it. And, yeah,
it is kind of hard to
see,
but i don't think there are many people out there that would swallow
the
costs of something like this because it did not fulfill their great
expectations. I'm sure i'm late on this whole gratitude
thing so let this
suffice:
Thank you, Jeffrey.
Right
now i'm reading the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and it is blowing me
away. So great to see our Dean Moriarty back in
action. And it seems
like
the Pranksters were the only next logical step for the Beats to take.
Just
bought _Some of the Dharma_ IM SO EXCITED!! Skimming through it is
great!
I can't wait to sit down and really soak it all in. I think
notebook's
are a great insight into one's life and this is no exception
for the
creator of the Dulouz legend.
Heard
_Howl, U.S.A_ by the Kronos Quartet for the first time yesterday.
Love
it.
Had a
great time discovering America on the road and up in alaska stuck in
a
camper with five amazing people. It was
no Further, but it was pretty
damn
close.
great
to be back,
matt
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i was
lucky enough to meet joyce johnson at a reading of her minor
characters
, she is a woman of grace and warmth. her memories of JK are
revealing,
and even more revealing of herself. i recommend minor characters
to
anyone who hasn't read it. my favorite passages however are not about JK
or
others, they are the beginning chapters in which she writes of her 13 yr
old
self taking the bus to washington square and wanting so badly to be
'hip' :
brought back a lot of my own memories.
we spoke for a while after
the
reading.
she has
a summer house up here in vermont.
mc
>At
02.33 04/09/97 -0400, Mike Rice wrote:
>>At
07:43 PM 9/3/97 +0200, you wrote:
>>>" Shortly before midnight on Wednesday,
September
>>>4,
1957, Jack Kerouac and Joyce Johnson, a young writer he
>>>was
living with, left her apartment on the Upper West Side in New
>>>York
City to wait at a newsstand at Sixty-sixth Street and
>>>Broadway
for the next day's New York Times to come off the delivery
>>>truck.
Kerouac had been alerted by his publisher that his novel
>>>On
the Road would be reviewed in that issue, and so they bought
>>>the
first copy of the Times they could pull from the stack.
>>>Standing
under a street lamp, they turned the pages until they found the
>>>column
"Books of the Times"--- Ann Charters"
>>>
>>>
>>Hey,
don't we get the review, too. Or at
least: "and the rest is history!"
>>
>>Mike
Rice
>>
>>
>"The
reviewer was Gilbert Millstein, and he had written:
> On the Road is the second novel by
Jack Kerouac, and its
> publication is a historic occasion
insofar as the exposure of
> an authentic work of art is of any
great moment in any age
> in which the attention is fragmented
and the sensibilities are
> blunted by the superlatives of
fashion.... [The novel is]
> the most beautifully executed, the
clearest and most important
> utterance yet made by the generation
Kerouac himself
> named years ago as "beat"
and whose principal avatar he is."
>
>
>
> --*--
>
> WAKE UP
> MAN!
> WAKE
UP!
>
>rINALDO.
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From:
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To:
Richard Wallner <rwallner@CapAccess.org>
Subject:
Re: Memory Babe: The Movie
At
06:54 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Since
most of you seem to think an OTR movie would be bad, or not worthy
>of
the book, maybe Coppola should option the rights to Memory Babe
>instead. Jack Kerouac had a compellinglife story
that itself would make
>a
terrific movie.
>
>A
story of a man who had his dreams come true and found out that
>sometimes
dreams arent what they seem to be.
>
>(Hey
Gerald, ifyou're out there, has anyone ever approached about the
>film
rights to MemoryBabe?)
>
>RJW
>
Hey,
Richard, Sept 3, 1997
A couple of times I've had
"producers" interested, but it was
typical
Hollywood flimflam, nothing substantial.
Anybody with a used
Mercedes
and a rented cellular phone in LA can call himself a producer. If
you
know anybody who's serious, send them my way.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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Since
many of us are buying "Some of The Dharma" or planning to, this
seems
like a good time to remind that you dont have to buy it at your
local
conglomerate. There are many fine smaller
bookstores that could
really
use your business.
The
St.Mark's bookstore (home base of the St.Mark's poetry project btw)
is
selling "Some of The Dharma" and even has it in its window display.
You
wouldnt be able to read beat writing today if it wasnt for
independent
bookstores, because the big conglomerate bookstores rarely
give
exposure to new and lesser known writers.
There was a time when the
Kerouacs
and Ginsbergs couldnt get their works on the shelves of the
Barnes
and Nobles of the world and had to rely upon places like City
Lights
in San Francisco and St. Mark's in NY.
Buy
"Some of the Dharma" at a place like that. Support independent
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Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
> 08/18/97
>
("burroughs: skin ovr steel")
> the voice:
> gravel in an open
> wound.
> watching from aside
> camouflaged under
> coldsteel suit and hat -
> hgwell's
invisible man
> without
the bandages
> once the uniform of every businessman - inconspicuous in starch
> collar
>
> snap
> brim
> professional.
> beneath shadow
> of fedora:
> tight
> & taut
> skin
> pulled over --
> wrds skidding across the page in
> cold
> push of
> wetbrick muscle
> observant nerves - feeling the tension
moving under the surface
> skin translucent
> (re)veal (ing)
> the biology of the
movements.
>
> the familiar pungent odour
> of
>
cauterized
>
words.
>
>
september
into the bus stop
two men
were
going out of the cabin they are
shouting
in the cold morning:
"only
50 dollars
o n l y
50 dollars!"
"3
a.m.
he
wakes up he wakes up and looks at the billfold!"
LISTEN! listen dig your hole!
music
"look at the telephone book
what's
up?"
"does you have forgotten the
phone numbers?"
dig your hole music
it is punching
my head
it is punching my h
e a d
"he
has not paid a cup of coffee not even
only he
has told me good-bye damn!"
m u s i
c
m u s i
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At
11:56 AM 9/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>In
her last post on Naked Lunch, Diane raised the issue of
>>sentimentality. Certainly, Burroughs, like Old Bull Lee, is
free from
>>that
vice. Kerouac, however, has been the
subject of a charge of
>>sentimentality
more than once. At the end of a term
paper I wrote for
>>him
on Kerouac, Alfred Kazin noted "But what about his spaniel
>>sentimentality?" I argue that Kerouac USUALLY rises above
it,
>>frequently
undercutting such notions with mock-heroic juxtapositions as
>>in
the cowboy scene in OTR. What do you
think folks about the Beats --
>>particularly
Kerouac and Ginsberg -- in terms of their being overly
>>sentimental?
>>
> I don't necessarily consider sentimentality
a "vice" when it comes to
>literature. Sentimentality is intrinsically tied to
memory. I'd argue that
>sentimentality
in writing demonstrates an author's ability to re-live
>(frequently
to re-love) the past on paper. I won't
get into the reliability
>of
memory here but neither Kerouac nor Ginsberg stick in my mind as overly
>"gushy"
or "flowery" writers.
>
>
James M.
>
>
There
is not an ounce of sentimentality in Howl.
Not an ounce.
Comedy,
obscenity, blasphemy, yes, sentimentality no.
Mike
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I'm a
new user and I think to have done a little mess with the commands to
L-Soft
list-server, please notify me if this message arrives to the list.
Please
accept my excuses for the incommodation.
Goodnight
to all !!!
Ciao!
Francesco
D.
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Here here (hear hear?--hare hare?)!!!!!
This month's UTNE Reader has
an excellent story on the death of the
indies.
My favorite photo of Kerouac, I think
it's in _Jack's Book_, is of a
young Kerouac at a book signing for Town
& City at the Tattered Cover
in Denver.
Dance with the Bookstore that Brought Ya!
love and lilies (purchased from an indie
florist of course),
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Francesco,
You will get this message twice if
you're properly subscribed to the
list,
since I'm posting it to the list and to your address. Welcome. Was it
Rinaldo
in Venice-Mestre who enticed yoy onto the list?
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
>
excellant work James, a short note on Ohle
>
>
> > David Ohle--Burroughs circle,
> p
adds, David wrote "Motor
Man", wrote and edited "City Moon"
>
magazines, (a great editor), Hippy Tales
>
> Is
S. Clay Wilson listed?
> p
Thanks
for Ohle--I thought afterwards I should have left that blank for
you--don't
think S. Clay's there--but another one that is probably hippy
rather
than beat like R. Crumb who isn't on either at the
moment--nominate
them!
Keep me
posted with your connections.
James
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A book
titled The Beat Generation was published last year by Hainan Publishing
House,
China. The auther is Si Li, a M.D. on Modern English Literature.
*****************
Yan
Feng
Nankai
Uni.
China
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Friends,
i found
in novel "The Western Lands" a WSB quote related to the
article
he wrote at the end of 1970's commented the mayor of SF George
Moscone's
& Harvey Milk's murder
after
the shocking sentence WSB imagined a Gay State like
the
chinese Tong in order to protect the gay community,
ten
year later Burroughs was again thinking about the Tong
and
clarifing, i think, the meaning of the word tong we
discussed
some weeks ago.
-*-
"There
are many degrees of privacy. In some houses
there
is a public passage only through the garden.
Others
live in open stalls on heavely traveled streets,
or in
the maze of tunnels under the city, or on the
roofs
where the neighbors hang clothes to dry and tether
their
sheep and goats and fowl. Some are entitled to
exact a
toll. And some routes are the exclusive prerogative
of a
club, a secret society, a sect, a tong, a profession
or a
trade. fights over passage rights are frequently
and
bloody. There are no public services in this quarter,
no
police, fire, sanitation, water, power or medical
service.
The are provided by families and clubs, if at all."
---
William S. Burroughs, The Western Lands, -7-, 1988.
-*-
saluti,
Rinaldo.
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Greetings
Yan Feng,
Very
interesting. The book is in english? If so, how can it be bought in the
USA? I
am also curious about the MD degree (?). Here it stands for Medical
Doctor.
It is
great to hear from China.
leon
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Message from Orient
A book
titled The Beat Generation was published last year by Hainan
Publishing
House,
China. The auther is Si Li, a M.D. on Modern English Literature.
*****************
Yan
Feng
Nankai
Uni.
China
*****************
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for
Diana safe in heaven
Blinded
by the tabloids
the papparazi
the monarchy
blinded
by my own reverse snobbery,
i was
blindsided by your death.
only now can i drop the curtains from
my eyes
and see the woman
of compassion
and courage
you
became.
blinded
by my own struggles
blinded by my own misery
i was blindsided by your
death.
again
experiencing
the all too often,
yet all too human
misery
of
recognizing the magnitude of what is precious
only
after the loss.
blindsided
by the tabloids garish headlines and photos,
i did not see
your transformation
from uncertain girl
lost in a palace
to the
woman of compassion
in the soup kitchens
shelters
hospitals
hospices
AIDS
wards
leper colonies,
among
the children suffering in the world.
i was
blindsided by the newspaper tabloids
at the checkout counters, the ones i
never
buy or bring home
but somehow cannot Not
read
while
waiting with my carriage.
diana,
for all of this
i am grieved
blinded
by the papparazi's lurid headlines and photos
i
saw too few accounts of your compassion
for
"the constituary of the rejected."
i was
blindsided by my own grief
for you,
unexpectedly deep and profound.
watching
CNN this morning
i could not help but travel back in
time
the
death of john lennon
tim leary
jerry garcia
allen
ginsberg
william burroughs
and ALL
who have taught me compassion,
diana i wish you safe in heaven, having walked through
the portal hand in hand
with mother theresa.
i think
that jack will be waiting there.
your brother said it best:
that
you were named for
the goddess of the hunt
only to become the most hunted.
mc
9/6/97
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Yan
Feng wrote:
>
> A
book titled The Beat Generation was published last year by Hainan Publishing
>
House, China. The auther is Si Li, a M.D. on Modern English Literature.
>
>
*****************
>
Yan Feng
>
Nankai Uni.
>
China
>
*****************
Dear
Yan Feng,
Have you had a chance to read this book? If
so, who does it deal with,
and did
you find it interesting?
patricia
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Antoine,
thanks for your message (things
seem to be ok now)...no, I've
not
been introduced to the list by Rinaldo, also if I contacted him this
week
for some advices.
I heard the existence of Beat-L from a site
about WSB that I was reading
in the
days after his death.
At the
next.
Ciao!
Francesco
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> A:
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>
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>
Francesco,
>
> You will get this message twice if you're properly subscribed
to
the
>
list, since I'm posting it to the list and to your address. Welcome. Was
it
>
Rinaldo in Venice-Mestre who enticed yoy onto the list?
>
> Antoine
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who
doesn't need a cop to tell him what to
do!"
> -- Norman
Navrotsky and Utah Phillips
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Thanks
Leon, I really hope that the italian community in Beat-L expands
guided
by the really competent intervents from Rinaldo (the "beat
ambassador"
of our country) !!!
Ciao!
Francesco
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> A:
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>
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>
Data: sabato 6 settembre 1997 2.50
>
>
Hello Francesco!
>
>
Your post is another very welcome one from Italia! Welcome to the BEAT-L
>
group. Rinaldo is the only other member of our group from Italia that I
know
>
of, and he generously enriches us with
beautifully powerful poetry,
>
extensive familiarity with the historical beat spirited persons, and a
most
>
beat spirit and compassionate
heart. The amazing thing about him is
that
>
posts like today's come from his fertile mind all the time. But I am not
>
saying this to intimidate you, just to let you know that one of your
>
neighbors in Italia is a blessed gift
to our group.
>
>
leon
>
>
>
>
>
>
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for
Diana safe in heaven
Blinded
by the tabloids
the papparazi
the monarchy
blinded
by my own reverse snobbery,
i was
blindsided by your death.
only now can i drop the curtains from
my eyes
and see the woman
of compassion
and courage
you
became.
blinded
by my own struggles
blinded by my own misery
i was blindsided by your
death.
again
experiencing
the all too often,
yet all too human
misery
of
recognizing the magnitude of what is precious
only after the loss.
blindsided
by the tabloids garish headlines and photos,
i did not see
your transformation
from uncertain girl
lost in a palace
to the
woman of compassion
in the soup kitchens
shelters
hospitals
hospices
AIDS wards
leper colonies,
among
the children suffering in the world.
i was
blindsided by the newspaper tabloids
at the checkout counters, the ones i
never
buy or bring home
but somehow cannot Not
read
while
waiting with my carriage.
diana,
for all of this
i am grieved
blinded
by the papparazi's lurid headlines and photos
i
saw too few accounts of your compassion
for
"the constituary of the rejected."
i was
blindsided by my own grief
for you,
unexpectedly deep and profound.
watching
CNN this morning
i could not help but travel back in
time
the
death of john lennon
tim leary
jerry garcia
allen
ginsberg
william burroughs
and ALL
who taught me compassion,
your brother said it best:
that
you were named for
the goddess of the hunt
only to become the most
hunted.
diana i
wish you safe in heaven, having walked
through
the portal hand in hand
with mother theresa.
i think
that jack will be waiting there.
mc
9/6/97
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Dear
Yan Feng
I would like to know if the book is more like
an anthology or a collection
of
critical essays, and, if you read it, if it was interesting.
Ciao!
Francesco
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>
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>
Yan Feng wrote:
>
>
>
> A book titled The Beat Generation was published last year by Hainan
Publishing
>
> House, China. The auther is Si Li, a M.D. on Modern English Literature.
>
>
>
> *****************
>
> Yan Feng
>
> Nankai Uni.
>
> China
>
> *****************
>
Dear Yan Feng,
> Have you had a chance to read this book? If
so, who does it deal with,
>
and did you find it interesting?
>
patricia
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In the
August edition of Relix, the Greatful Dead type mag, they review
on page
70, a book entitled, Everything I Know I Learned on Acid by Coco
Perkelis. One of the quotes she seized upon was by
Jack, suposedly, and
is:
"There's
nothing nobler than to put up with a few inconvieniences like
snakes
and dust for the sake of absolute freedom."
Is this
an accurate quote and from where?
Thanks.
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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Less see, my first reaction
Diana?
That fucking bitch, I used to think. The most selfishly arrogant
champion
social climber, conniving princess fairy tale. I never could see in
the
public photo images what it was that she had going to knock over all
those
power dicks on the top ladder of the castle. Well, I used to think,
look at
the prince and that will explain the tastes of monarchy. And look at
the
public+ACE- The tabloid princess of the twentieth century. The wonderful
charity
work? Redeeming (?) rejuvenation of the Ladies of Charity of the
Aristocracy
of the last century in their carriages and tresses in front of
the
poor houses with baskets of bread and goodies. Opium for the Chinese
masses.
ladies of charity for the suckers at home. Yikes.
I
vaguely recall newspaper articles about the strategies that were being
considered
in the power PR halls brainstorming how to try to do repairs of
the
image of the princess who was out to get all she could after getting rid
of her
prince monarch, but not the the better benefits of the monarchy. Can
the
hussy pull it off? Aha, photo ops to prove she was more than earning her
continuing
outrageous costs to the taxed masses. The sensitive,
compassionate,
princess who identifies with the poor and downtrodden.
What
the smartest PR firms with financial
resources can not create. It
says
something about the advanced state of human dreaming freightened in the
dark,
hysterically groping for the lights of the photo flashes, there it is,
there it
was, who dares not to be swept along in the stampedes. Ending lines
of
movies. I am even hesitant to speak out aloud the questions in my mind,
for
fear of being trampled in the hysterias. I am no militant or any monarch
hater
or something. Maybe the guards at the gates of heaven are having a
crisis
meeting right now, who is first in line, is it Diana or should she
make
way for Sister Theresa? The public's response, popularity of the later,
the
only spokesperson who shows us that you can still find compasion for the
poor in
the cold corporate churches of today,
the model for the successful
photo
op campaign of the former? The wayward princess, of commom stock,
finds
the way for the erring monarchy that disowned her, or she them as the
case
might have been. The paparazzi came in quite handy, but how to get rid
of them
when you do not want them when their photos could spoil the others
so
carefully, royally arranged to build the image? Well, not if you are not
sober,
not when you are drunk. Where are the MADD mothers now? The arrogance
of
power is even more dangerous when drunk.
I will
wait awhile for reactions to subside before I try to get a fuller
perspective
on the princess of thwentieth century, the +ACI-people's
princess+ACI-
in the making.
Of course, I am saddened by the death of any human being,
especially
those whose lives were so sad and whom nobody mourns. I am
waiting
to see if my mind can penetrate a bit further the mysteries involved
in some
very basic instincts that flare up here. I am not at all sure that I
know
enough, or understand enough. All my notions here are subject to
reevaluation.
I would need a lot more truthful information to trust my
judgements
here with confidence. I will reserve judgement for the time
being.
+AD4-for
Diana safe in heaven
+AD4-
+AD4-Blinded
by the tabloids
+AD4- the papparazi
+AD4- the monarchy
+AD4-blinded
by my own reverse snobbery,
+AD4-
+AD4-i
was blindsided by your death.
+AD4- only now can i drop the curtains from
my eyes
+AD4- and see the woman
+AD4- of compassion
+AD4- and courage
+AD4- you
became.
+AD4-
+AD4-blinded
by my own struggles
+AD4- blinded by my own misery
+AD4- i was blindsided by your
death.
+AD4-again
experiencing
+AD4- the all too often,
+AD4- yet all too human
+AD4- misery
+AD4-of
recognizing the magnitude of what is precious
+AD4- only
after the loss.
+AD4-
+AD4-blindsided
by the tabloids garish headlines and photos,
+AD4- i did not see
+AD4- your transformation
+AD4- from uncertain girl lost in a palace
+AD4-to
the woman of compassion
+AD4- in the soup kitchens
+AD4- shelters
+AD4- hospitals
+AD4- hospices
+AD4- AIDS wards
+AD4-
leper colonies,
+AD4-among
the children suffering in the world.
+AD4-
+AD4-i
was blindsided by the newspaper tabloids
+AD4- at the checkout counters, the ones i
+AD4-never
buy or bring home
+AD4- but somehow cannot Not
read
+AD4-while
waiting with my carriage.
+AD4-
+AD4-diana,
+AD4- for all of this
+AD4- i am grieved
+AD4-
+AD4-blinded
by the papparazi's lurid headlines and photos
+AD4-i
saw too few accounts of your compassion
+AD4-for
+ACI-the constituary of the rejected.+ACI-
+AD4-
+AD4-i
was blindsided by my own grief
+AD4- for you,
+AD4-unexpectedly deep and profound.
+AD4-
+AD4-watching
CNN this morning
+AD4- i could not help but travel back in
time
+AD4-the
death of john lennon
+AD4- tim leary
+AD4- jerry garcia
+AD4- allen
ginsberg
+AD4-
william burroughs
+AD4-and
ALL who taught me compassion,
+AD4-
+AD4- your brother said it best:
+AD4-that
you were named for
+AD4- the goddess of the hunt
+AD4- only to become the most hunted.
+AD4-diana
i wish you safe in heaven, having
walked through
+AD4- the portal hand in hand
+AD4- with mother theresa.
+AD4-i
think that jack will be waiting there.
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-mc
9/6/97
+AD4-.-
+AD4-
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At
11:35 AM 9/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
the August edition of Relix, the Greatful Dead type mag, they
review
>on
page 70, a book entitled, Everything I Know I Learned on Acid by
Coco
>Perkelis. One of the quotes she seized upon was by
Jack, suposedly,
and
>is:
>
>"There's
nothing nobler than to put up with a few inconvieniences like
>snakes
and dust for the sake of absolute freedom."
>
>Is
this an accurate quote and from where?
>
>Thanks.
>--
>Bentz
>bocelts@scsn.net
>
>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
>
>---------------
the
quote you are referring to I believe is by Jack Kerouac and I believe
it is
from <underline>The Dharma Bums</underline>. I feel reasonably
certain
about this.
- Jon
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R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
> In
the August edition of Relix, the Greatful Dead type mag, they review
> on
page 70, a book entitled, Everything I Know I Learned on Acid by Coco
>
Perkelis. One of the quotes she seized
upon was by Jack, suposedly, and
>
is:
>
>
"There's nothing nobler than to put up with a few inconvieniences like
>
snakes and dust for the sake of absolute freedom."
>
> Is
this an accurate quote and from where?
>
>
Thanks.
> --
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
i like
the quote AG attributes to Jack on video "Life and Times of AG"
about
acid:
"Walking
on Water wasn't built in a day"
dbr
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hi
leon! so glad we had a chance to actually disagree about something. i do
believe
you may have the wrong princess ('fergie' as she i believe was/is
called)
was the one the palace dicks were up in arms against, and the one
who
courted the media and conspicuous consumption as well.
but on
the topic of diana,
the
meaning of the poem was that i never got beyond the tabloid diana to
see the
vulnerable woman and the compassionate woman that she indeed was.
not a
princess by birth, but a 'lady' who chose to become a teacher rather
than
become a debutant. a woman hounded by the press for every indiscretion
but not
when she was out among the people of englan usa africa you name it.
all of
her appearances for charity went to charity.
so i am
so glad you could react. you said all of the things i had thought
of her
before learning of her realities. i also recognize her as a fellow
survivor:
she was thoroughly traumatized by the realities of the monarchy,
abandoned
by 'prince-boy' for most of the years, left alone in the
castle(s)
without any help from anyone re: her 'role' no support from the
monarchy
whatsoever.
a
poignant story i do remember is an evening when she and 'fergie'(forget
her
real name, but fellow princess) tried to order out for pizza and
horrifiedthe
nation.
she
suffered from eating disorders, severe depressions, suicide attempts.
none of
this was to gain attention any more than a non-princess's struggles
are.
many of her struggles are my struggles. i saw her as a survivor about
to get
the hell out of the public eye and gain more of her own back. she
was
compassionate and very real. which is why the monarchy disliked her so
intensely.
what my
poem conveys is MY perceptions to the tabloid diana which kept me
from
seeing her as a vulnerable woman. and in beat tradition, where
everyone
is holy, i see her as holy too.
no, i
don't see her as a mother theresa. if there is any catholicism left
in me,
it's that i see mother theresa as a saint.
but as
i and you and he and she and we are all together, *we are all holy*.
mc
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I
didn't find the subject that interesting until now. Maybe you can
backchannell
me where to find the sources that tell you about the real
Diana.
I will appreciate it.
leon
+AD4-hi
leon+ACE- so glad we had a chance to actually disagree about something.
i do
+AD4-believe
you may have the wrong princess ('fergie' as she i believe was/is
+AD4-called)
was the one the palace dicks were up in arms against, and the one
+AD4-who
courted the media and conspicuous consumption as well.
+AD4-but
on the topic of diana,
+AD4-the
meaning of the poem was that i never got beyond the tabloid diana to
+AD4-see
the vulnerable woman and the compassionate woman that she indeed was.
+AD4-not
a princess by birth, but a 'lady' who chose to become a teacher rather
+AD4-than
become a debutant. a woman hounded by the press for every indiscretion
+AD4-but
not when she was out among the people of englan usa africa you name it.
+AD4-all
of her appearances for charity went to charity.
+AD4-so
i am so glad you could react. you said all of the things i had thought
+AD4-of
her before learning of her realities. i also recognize her as a fellow
+AD4-survivor:
she was thoroughly traumatized by the realities of the monarchy,
+AD4-abandoned
by 'prince-boy' for most of the years, left alone in the
+AD4-castle(s)
without any help from anyone re: her 'role' no support from the
+AD4-monarchy
whatsoever.
+AD4-a
poignant story i do remember is an evening when she and 'fergie'(forget
+AD4-her
real name, but fellow princess) tried to order out for pizza and
+AD4-horrifiedthe
nation.
+AD4-she
suffered from eating disorders, severe depressions, suicide attempts.
+AD4-none
of this was to gain attention any more than a non-princess's struggles
+AD4-are.
many of her struggles are my struggles. i saw her as a survivor about
+AD4-to
get the hell out of the public eye and gain more of her own back. she
+AD4-was
compassionate and very real. which is why the monarchy disliked her so
+AD4-intensely.
+AD4-what
my poem conveys is MY perceptions to the tabloid diana which kept me
+AD4-from
seeing her as a vulnerable woman. and in beat tradition, where
+AD4-everyone
is holy, i see her as holy too.
+AD4-no,
i don't see her as a mother theresa. if there is any catholicism left
+AD4-in
me, it's that i see mother theresa as a saint.
+AD4-but
as i and you and he and she and we are all together, +ACo-we are all
holy+ACo-.
+AD4-mc
+AD4-.-
+AD4-
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From: Brian M Kirchhoff
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Subject: Re: Memory Babe: The Movie
Mike-
>Dear
Tululah,
Are you
a Tori Amos fan? That's my only
connection with Tululah. (And my
best
friend's cat's name.) Just curious.
Brian
M. Kirchhoff
howl
420@juno.com
"Being the adventures of a man whose
principle interests are
Rape, Ultra-violence and
Beethoven." -A Clockwork Orange
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From: Brian M Kirchhoff <howl420@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Film called "Chappaqua"
>
>haven't
heard of it but let me know if you find out anything.
>
>Anna
><Ltulou@erols.com>
>
this is
a good example of a response that should be back-channeled to
keep
list traffic down. not to be a
dick...just trying to increase
awareness.
Brian
M. Kirchhoff
howl
420@juno.com
"Being the adventures of a man whose
principle interests are
Rape, Ultra-violence and
Beethoven." -A Clockwork Orange
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Subject: Re: Who's Who in Beat Lit...
On Thu,
4 Sep 1997 19:20:03 -0400 Sean Elias <SPElias@AOL.COM> writes:
>Which
YMCA in Chi town would that be??????/
>
if you
are referring to my posting of late,
that would be the YMCA down
on
Halstead. It's down in the same area of
the near north that ed
debevicks,
hard rock and planet hollywood are in. (all that touristy
shit.)
still
don't know if i'm right about that or not.
Brian
M. Kirchhoff
howl
420@juno.com
"Being the adventures of a man whose
principle interests are
Rape, Ultra-violence and
Beethoven." -A Clockwork Orange
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Subject: Re: Memory Babe: The Movie
On Wed,
3 Sep 1997 18:54:06 -0400 Richard Wallner
<rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>
writes:
>Since
most of you seem to think an OTR movie would be bad, or not
>worthy
>of
the book, maybe Coppola should option the rights to Memory Babe
>instead. Jack Kerouac had a compellinglife story
that itself would
>make
>a
terrific movie.
Oh
no....don't do this....we had enough problems trying to come to terms
with
the film version of a piece of fiction.
now you want to do it with
non-fiction!!! the debate on the L would get ugly. instead of sarcastic
comments,
people may start sending death threats.
if we think OTR would
be
inaccurate, trying to figure out all of the *facts* for a non-fiction
film
may lead to bloodshed.
>A
story of a man who had his dreams come true and found out that
>sometimes
dreams arent what they seem to be.
>
>(Hey
Gerald, ifyou're out there, has anyone ever approached about the
>film
rights to MemoryBabe?)
>
>RJW
just my
2 cents worth. i may be wrong.
Brian
M. Kirchhoff
howl
420@juno.com
"Being the adventures of a man whose
principle interests are
Rape, Ultra-violence and
Beethoven." -A Clockwork Orange
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From: Brian M Kirchhoff
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Subject: Re: OTR book sales
On Wed,
3 Sep 1997 08:57:40 -0400 MATT HANNAN <MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG>
writes:
>>They
said last year 100,000 copies of OTR were sold. Does anyone know
>>how
that number compares to other works of twentieth century
literature.
>
>Not
sure how it compares but I'm sure that number is wholly
>inaccurate--I'm
betting it's based on some book retailers report (not
having
seen the
>article)
which are usually based on "new" book sales. Everyone here
that
buys
>all
of their books new raise your hands........................I thought
so.
>I'm
betting it's closer to 200,000--providing you believe 100,000 people
>would
part with their copy of OTR to sell it used....hmm, maybe I'll
rethink
my
>numbers.
if we
count both used and new books sold in the same figure, we're
counting
the same books over and over again.
that's not fair either.
i want
to believe that there are alot more people out there who are
getting
into/back into OTR and other beat gen
books, but doing it that
way is
cheating. :-)
> love and lilies (new and/or used),
>
> matt h.
peace-
Brian
M. Kirchhoff
howl
420@juno.com
"Being the adventures of a man whose
principle interests are
Rape, Ultra-violence and
Beethoven." -A Clockwork Orange
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i love
clockwork orange, by the way! i am a
near-obsessive fan and rampant
quoter!
jenn,
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A
visitor from the future! How do you do
it? Can you reveal to us the
secrets
of the murky not-yet-present? Tell
us....how was the On the Road
movie? What do you do to celebrate National Beat
Day celebrated on Neal
Cassady's
birthday anniversary? Are the Kerouac
Journals as wonderful as
we all
hope? Has the great lost
Cassady/Kerouac/Burroughs/Ginsberg
manuscript
been found and published? Enlighten us
Man of Tommorrow!
----->On
Fri, 6 Sep 2097, Dufour wrote:
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
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Marie:
Just to
let you know that I gave a copy of your poem to my wife. She
liked
it and is sending it to a friend of ours who is from the UK. It
meant a
lot to her and she said to tell you thanks.
Thanks from me for
speaking
to her heart.
Peace,
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Sorry,
I'm having problems with my CMOS clock; I hope to come back to the
present
as soon as possible !!!
Ciao!
F.
p.s.
Please notify me if this message has the right date.
p.s.II
for Alex: the OTR movie is one of the things to forget of this
century
along with the "Cherry Garcia" ice cream.
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>
Da: Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>
> A:
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>
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>
Data: sabato 6 settembre 1997 22.12
>
> A
visitor from the future! How do you do
it? Can you reveal to us the
>
secrets of the murky not-yet-present?
Tell us....how was the On the Road
>
movie? What do you do to celebrate
National Beat Day celebrated on Neal
>
Cassady's birthday anniversary? Are the
Kerouac Journals as wonderful as
> we
all hope? Has the great lost
Cassady/Kerouac/Burroughs/Ginsberg
>
manuscript been found and published?
Enlighten us Man of Tommorrow!
>
>
----->On Fri, 6 Sep 2097, Dufour wrote:
>
>
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>
Alex Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>
kh14586@am.appstate.edu
P.O. Box 12149
>
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586
Boone, NC 28608
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There
is an article in the September 18, 1997, Issue 769 of Rolling
Stone
on WSB. I admit that I picked up the
magazine because of the
picture
of Neve Campbell on the front and the words "Jenny McCarthy".
But, I
only shelled out my $3.00 because of the article on Bull Lee. It
is
written by Lewis MacAdams, with comments by Hunter S. Thompson, Lou
Reed,
and Gregory Corso. It excerpts comments
from articles or
interviews
from RS. And it is very complitmentary
of James Grauerholz.
For the
youngsters on the list, it has a good capsule of WSB's notorious
incidents
and the Thompson note is interesting.
Peace,
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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