riot
gear, ready to arrest the environmentalists. OK, > alot of the
environmentalists are the granola type, but the cops has > gas masks on their
belts, batons in hands, and face shields.
What the > hell are we fighting for.
> I
thought this stuff went out in the 60s. It's 10:00 pm. Do you
>
know what the fuck your government is doing?
***
Perhaps
we were just practice'n. The gun battles between police and drug
dealers
in inner cities across Amerika is war! It is people fighting for
their
right to participate in the economy as it allows them; deals them
that
little piece of turf no one wants; and then turns to wage war
against
them for trying to work at the only job it allows or gives up
that
can pay all the bills, buy all hierarchical needs--because rich-ass
folks
like this Mr. Hurwitz (Maxxam corporation/Pacific Lumber) feels
selling
drugs means something not right and has the power enough to
force
his will failing to comprehend a larger picture! --never knew
Bigger
Thomas or even heard of him!
***
What
will folks do when they seize their grandparents' house for failure
to pay
property tax payments five times higher than their monthly
mortgage
payment back when they still made 'em? They had too much pride
to say
anything until its too late. How far will folks go to prevent
that
seizure? --to prevent the system from disallowing those old hard
work'n
folks to participate in the system at the simple level of
remaining
in a quaint house they worked and sweat
years and years to
own and
live in during just these years????
***
Examples
exist everywhere when we look! Yet most worry most about what
product
acquisition they'll make next; what mind massage will they watch
next;
what next, pop corn or chips?
***
If the
environmentalists numbered 5,000, how many riot gear-equipped
cops
would show up? National guard? Who in the armed services will join
which
side?
***
Don't
think the revolution awaits in the future. It rages daily in the
streets.
Millions of folks do not get a chance to participate
economically
and they fight gun battles over territory with one another
and the
system. And if you can't eat the 2000 year old tree, it assumes
less
priority to the millions who do not eat routinely. They fight for
food--for
the right to eat! Or to work to earn enough dollars to eat!
All
priority levels exist intertwined confusing the overall perspective
provided
you see it through the NBC or ABC or CBS or CNN nightly portal
presentation
like most do!
***
The
grandparents hate the inner city war, the drug dealers, drug users,
the
police, and the damn hippies in the forest. The drug dealers can't
trust
anyone. The poor see the steaks in the grocery window and smell
the BBQ
cook'n. All the rest through their Ottica Meloni's see succulent
nipples
protruding from her Gianni Versace dress, or speculate about the
size of
his Dockers Kakki dick, hidden . . .
***
I know
what most of the cops are doing, thinking about their next
product
acquisition like all the rest . . . pop corn or chips
***
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From: John J Dorfner
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Subject: Kerouac in Rocky Mount, NC
i'm
working on a home page for both, Lowell and Rocky Mount. each will have
a bunch
of photographs and text. for right now
thou...one can go to
http://members.aol.com/KerouacNC.index.html
and
read about Kerouac's life and times in Rocky Mount, North Carolina.
enjoy.
john j
dorfner
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Subject: 36th anniversary on terra firma
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Full
Moon tonight
and
anniversary of my birth
36
years
give or
take a century
someone
asks me
"well,
do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
tough
question you know
hear it
every
year
every
year someone's gonna ask
do you
you feeeeeel older and
kind of
like when asked
how do
you feeeeeel
everyday
on
street corners from
this
person or that person
that
don't
wait
for the answer
cuz
they didn't even realize
that
they'd
asked
the question
and so
the
answer is
yes
i feel
a distinct
impression
that
i'm about
a day
older
give or
take
and
wonder about the
correspondence
of
birthday
and full moon
and
certain
wonderful Lunacy
somewhere
in
the
universe today.
[Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
George
Clinton]
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Saturday
September 20
Bardo
is a tibetan buddist tradition.
Approximately 49 days after
death.
images and or objects associated with wsb
will be burned.
p
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
>
Saturday September 20
>
Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition.
Approximately 49 days after
>
death.
> images and or objects associated with wsb
will be burned.
> p
I'll be
in Disembodied errand to Denver/Evergreen/Boulder/Aurora so burn
a few
for me....
I'm visiting the Bardo before and
after and will be certain to sweep
the
floor
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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From: Bill Gargan
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Subject: rights & permissions
I doubt
that any author is ever consulted when Cliff or Monarch notes
decides
to publish a volume on his or her work.
These are critical
works
that include paraphrase and biographical and critical commentary.
Rights
and permissions aren't necessary.
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On Tue,
16 Sep 1997, Patricia Elliott wrote:
>
Saturday September 20
>
Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition.
Approximately 49 days after
>
death.
> images and or objects associated with wsb
will be burned.
> p
>
What is
this about? What's being burned? And why? Please explain.
Neil
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Sitting
by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
to take
an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
Tonight,
Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
A
special day, families are long for getting together,
travelers'd
be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
as a
great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
A hope
deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
Thus
the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
last
few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
and is
filled up with affection. You will never be refused
if you
wanta take a ride to Moon.
JK was
getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
from
Gothenburg to Cheyenne
under
cold shining star
he bought
boys on the truck whisky
"You
can have a couple of shots!", boy
Now,in
warm moonlight
folks
on the list
would
receive the old Chinese feeling
and a
piece of mooncake
digitally
Ciao
Yan
We
share the Moon.
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Image,
picture
object,
thing,
death,
travel
49
days, time
buddist,
seeing
burning,
energy tranferance
neal
which part didn't you understand,
how
should i elaborate, which direction
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Subject: Re[2]: knowing the lingo (was: A funny
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Goa is a region in India. It was a very popular destination for
hippies in the late 60s and early 70s and
had a huge drug scene. I've
read one book on the subject, Goa Freaks,
by a woman with the first
name of Cleo but her last name escapes me
now (scary, because I own
the book)...just wondering if anyone on
the list has ever been there.
There's possibly some Beat tie in
(Ginsberg?) but I don't want to tie
the list up with too much discussion of
it.
love and lilies,
matt h.
mhannan@usoc.org
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Re: knowing the lingo (was: A funny thing happened...)
Author: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
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Date: 9/15/97 4:15 PM
At
04:57 PM 9/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
> While I'm on the subject, did anyone on
the list ever travel to Goa?
> I'd like to chat with you backchannel if
you did.
What is
Goa?
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:33:20 -0700
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
>
Image, picture
>
object, thing,
>
death, travel
> 49
days, time
>
buddist, seeing
>
burning, energy tranferance
>
neal which part didn't you understand,
>
how should i elaborate, which direction
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------Patricia,
My
question is what does it symbolize or do?
Does it have something to
do with
the journey of the soul? And does this
burning of possessions
give
energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
in now
after death?
DC
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:26:59 -0700
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: kerouac on william f. buckley?
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At
01:36 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On
Mon, 15 Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:
>
>>
Hi Derek,
>>
>>
Some of the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to
>>
Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner. The blurbs used in this
>>
doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though. Sorry,
>>
I can't help you with locating a transcript.
>>
>>
-mark nigon
>>
>>
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
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>>
>>> "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97
>>
04:47pm >>>
>>
does anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even better)
>>
of kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i
would
>>
really appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious
>>
abt
>>
kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as
>>
his comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A
>>
LOT abt this particular interview and would like to check it out myself)
>>
THANKS ya'll
>>
yrs
>>
derek
>>
>Mark,
Derek and others,
>
>I
am also interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some here?
>And
your opinion?
>
>Ciao
>Yan
>
>We
share the Moon.
>
Yeah,
happy moon festival, y'all.
I saw
this movie a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show was
the one
where Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot
Floogie
with the Floy Floy.
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma
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At
07:13 AM 9/16/97 +0530, you wrote:
>Full
Moon tonight
>and
anniversary of my birth
>36
years
No
way!!!!?????
It's my
birthday too yeah.
Well my
birthday's really in october but it the Chinese calender it's my
birthday.
Same
rat year too.
Amazing.
I
thought this made me the Moon King but maybe you are also the Moon King.
Happy
Birthday David.
>give
or take a century
>someone
asks me
>"well,
do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
>tough
question you know
>hear
it
>every
year
>every
year someone's gonna ask
>do
you you feeeeeel older and
>kind
of like when asked
>how
do you feeeeeel
>everyday
>on
street corners from
>this
person or that person
>that
don't
>wait
for the answer
>cuz
they didn't even realize
>that
they'd
>asked
the question
>and
so
>the
answer is
>yes
>i
feel a distinct
>impression
>that
i'm about
>a
day older
>give
or take
>and
wonder about the
>correspondence
of
>birthday
and full moon
>and
>certain
wonderful Lunacy
>somewhere
in
>the
universe today.
>
>[Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>George
Clinton]
>
>david
rhaesa
>salina,
Kansas
>
>
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My
daughter and I were looking at the Moon Sunday night, a couple days
early. It was hard to do because all the clouds
covering it. She's three
and as
long as she's been able to talk we've been looking at the moon.
Sunday
you could see the glow of the full moon spreading out through the
clouds
but not the moon, until if you looked long enough a hole in the
clouds
would pass by and the moon in all it's near full glory and brightness
would
pop through. "There's the
moon".
And
when it went back behind the cloud, "Moon gao gao?", that's local baby
talk/english
for "moon went to sleep?" No,
today the Moon is awake but it's
under
the covers.
Today I
hope there are no clouds to block your view, and if so I hope the
clouds
are moth eaten and swlirling.
Don't
think of Un Chien Andalou, but I couldn't help it later.
At
10:16 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Sitting
by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
>to
take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
>Tonight,
Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
>A
special day, families are long for getting together,
>travelers'd
be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
>as
a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
>A
hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
>Thus
the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
>last
few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
>and
is filled up with affection. You will never be refused
>if
you wanta take a ride to Moon.
>
>JK
was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
>from
Gothenburg to Cheyenne
>under
cold shining star
>he
bought boys on the truck whisky
>"You
can have a couple of shots!", boy
>
>Now,in
warm moonlight
>folks
on the list
>would
receive the old Chinese feeling
>and
a piece of mooncake
>digitally
>
>Ciao
>
>Yan
>We
share the Moon.
>
>
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Thanks
Patricia for the great, intense photo of WSB and for your sharp,
direct
poetry.
Ciao !
Francesco
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>
Da: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
> A:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Oggetto: bardo
>
Data: martedl 16 settembre 1997 16.24
>
>
Image, picture
>
object, thing,
>
death, travel
> 49
days, time
>
buddist, seeing
>
burning, energy tranferance
>
neal which part didn't you understand,
>
how should i elaborate, which direction
>
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Richard...
Isn't
this true of any works, both literary and musical? I certainly agree
that
jazz needs a comprehensive ear to fully appreciate it, and I'm all for
reading
all of JK, not condensed versions. But,
the point you make here is
no
different for any other work of art.
So, in short, ban all Cliff
Notes...
even though they have the "surgeon general's warning" at the
front! What author WOULD approve of their work
being condensed? I also
agree
with whoever posted the bit about using cliff notes in her past...
there
are some other helps in those cliffs notes besides the summary.
---Wes
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>
From: Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Subject: Re: kerouac and cliff's notes.
>
Date: Monday, September 15, 1997 6:54 PM
>
>
> >
>
> If otr is taught, it is certainly cliff-noted, isn't it. The only
>
> way it wouldn't be is if the Kerouac estate said no, or is that
>
> true? Don't really know myself.
>
>
>
> Mike Rice
>
>
>
There is no doubt, none, in my mind, that if Kerouac had known of Cliff
>
Notes when he was alive, he would have written specific instructions to
>
never give permission for any of his works, except *maybe* Town and the
>
City, to be cliff noted.
>
>
Kerouac saw himself as a poet, literary jazz musician, and in jazz you
>
dont distill notes, or attempt to explain jazz in anything less than the
>
full form. You cant explain a Charlie
Parker record by only listening to
> a
few notes. Some things cant be
explained that simply.
>
>
RJW
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Hello
all,
Well,
what I remember is that Kerouac was drunk and seemed very bored or
irritated...Slumped
in his chair...eyes closed while he
answered...smoking
a cigar. He said the Vietnam war was a
conspiracy to
get
jeeps into the country. He explained
that the Beat Generation
originally
intended to be a movement of beatitude and piety but the
media
used the words like "Beat Insurrection" and "Beat Mutiny"
and the
movement
was subsequently taken over by hoodlums.
He also said the
hippies
were "good kids" who were following in the his (Kerouac's)
footsteps. And your right Tim, Kerouac cracked himself
up answereing a
Buckly
question with the Slim Gaillard line.
That's what comes to mind
right
off the bat. I'll have to watch it
again.
When I
first saw it, I had read Kerouac and knew about the myth
surrounding
his life, still, I couldn't help but see a man that had
given
up long ago. He seemed to be a shell of
a man grasping for
answers
but truly uninterested in everything.
Made me relook at Kerouac
the
man. That there is my opinion.
Good
day.
mark
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
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>>>
"Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU> 09/16/97 10:26am
>>>
At
01:36 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On
Mon, 15 Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:
>
>>
Hi Derek,
>>
>>
Some of the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to
>>
Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner. The blurbs used in
this
>>
doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though.
Sorry,
>>
I can't help you with locating a transcript.
>>
>>
-mark nigon
>>
>>
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>> "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97
>>
04:47pm >>>
>>
does anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even
better)
>>
of kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i
would
>>
really appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious
>>
abt
>>
kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as
>>
his comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A
>>
LOT abt this particular interview and would like to check it out
myself)
>>
THANKS ya'll
>>
yrs
>>
derek
>>
>Mark,
Derek and others,
>
>I
am also interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some
here?
>And
your opinion?
>
>Ciao
>Yan
>
>We
share the Moon.
>
Yeah,
happy moon festival, y'all.
I saw
this movie a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show
was
the one
where Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot
Floogie
with the Floy Floy.
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Subject: Mime format
As most
of you on the list have noticed, mime format and photographs do
not
travel well on Beat-l. It might be
better to mount such files on a
web
page and provide listmembers with the url so t hat they can download
them to
their hard drives and read them with their browers.
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Diane
Carter wrote:
> My
question is what does it symbolize or do?
Does it have something to do
with the journey of the soul? And does this burning of possessions
>
give energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
> in
now after death?
> DC
more
information at clip information from
http://dove.mtx.net.au/~jrowse/dead/tibdead.html
The Bardo Thodol, or Tibetan Book of the
Dead, is an ancient
text that was first put into written form
by the legendary Padma
Sambhava in the 8th century A.D. Translated, Bardo Thodol
means "liberation by hearing on the
after death plane". The book
acts as a guide for the dead during the
state that intervenes
death and the next rebirth. This
intermediate state is called the
Bardo and lasts for forty nine days.
p
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Happy
Birthday David.
Tell
me, Do you feel any older? (choke)
I just
rolled over # 67 on 09-01--Labor Day and it aint stopped since.
Morrow
sent The Herbert Hunche Reader. I'd never read anything by him.
Started
last night and felt close to him. I've got the basics on-line at
BookZen
at:
http://www.bookzen.com/books/068815266Xb.html.
His
stories, so casual and positive, but self deprecating seem touch so
much....
But I've just started.
Please
feel free to share any thoughts about Huncke with me--and that goes
for
anyone on the List. Just type HUNCKE on the subject line.
Couple
of thought about birthdays:
I've
always found it interesting that some families really get into
celebrating
birthdays for young and old alike while some only do so for
young
children. Those who celebrate--equal
treatment to all--with
elaborate
cooking, baking, gifts, etc. seemed to be a more close-knit--a
tighter
family unit. Happier.
Over
the past 60 years I've watched the birthday celebrations in my
extended
family almost disappear. I'm first generation, so growing up the
immediate
and extended family surrounding and supporting Gramma, were very
close.
To my
great surprise, many years later, while in prison in the 60s (and
uncle
was so pissed i was sent to the Federal joint at Leavenworth as a
first
offender in a population where the average prisoner had five previous
incarcertions) I found that the prisoners, and they were a
tough lot, went
to
great lengths to celebrate brithdays. Small gifts, handmade items,
smoke,
books, etc. were given. Cards would arrive from the families of
fellow
prisoners who had tipped off wives, mothers, friends.
The
first time it happened to me caught me by surprise. I'd observed it,
but being
so green--a "fish" in the venacular--I avoided much socialising,
didn't
ask questions, didn't get into the endless I-can-top-that story
telling.
As it turned out it was respected behavior. It was, "doing your
own
time."
So
birthdays, in a harsh, repressive, "time" oriented environment that
was
completely
alien to free-world home and family, seemed to provide an
opportunity
for prisoners to become, briefly, a
"family."
Again,
Happy Birthday David...and do you feel any................Argh.
j grant
Authors can display
their books F R E E !
http://www.bookzen.com
22,000
visitors since July 1,'96
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=========================
Happy birthday to YOU!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID!
WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST.
signers:
Dr Ink
in the name
of
REVERSE ENTROPY ENGINE Ltd.
&
Duracell
in the name
of
THE TIME MACHINE Corporation
&
Rinaldo Rasa.
===========================
>Full
Moon tonight
>and
anniversary of my birth
>36
years
[...]
>david
rhaesa
>salina,
Kansas
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From: John J Dorfner <Jjdorfner@AOL.COM>
Subject: Kerouac in Rocky Mount
i typed
in the wrong address
correct
address <A
HREF="http://members.aol.com/KerouacNC/index.html">Kerouac'
s Rocky
Mount, N.C.</A>
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Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
> =========================
> Happy birthday to YOU!
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID!
>
> WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST.
>
> signers:
>
> Dr Ink
> in the name
> of
> REVERSE ENTROPY ENGINE Ltd.
>
> &
>
> Duracell
> in the name
> of
> THE TIME MACHINE Corporation
>
> &
>
> Rinaldo Rasa.
> ===========================
>
>
>Full Moon tonight
>
>and anniversary of my birth
>
>36 years
>
[...]
>
>david rhaesa
>
>salina, Kansas
Virgos
thrive
patricia
47 no 49 no 107 no 24
o forget, my dear one (BOB) and i
begun
the same age, since we married sometime i am older sometimes he is
older,
silly guy insists it stays the same.
9/8/48
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A
couple other things I remember. He also
said the Beat movement was taken
over by
hoodlums, but he also added communists as I recall.
And he
made a statement: "I got a ticket the other day".
Buckley
played the perfect straightman. "A
ticket? For what?"
"For
decay".
It got
laughs.
At
11:00 AM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello
all,
>
>Well,
what I remember is that Kerouac was drunk and seemed very bored or
>irritated...Slumped
in his chair...eyes closed while he
>answered...smoking
a cigar. He said the Vietnam war was a
conspiracy to
>get
jeeps into the country. He explained
that the Beat Generation
>originally
intended to be a movement of beatitude and piety but the
>media
used the words like "Beat Insurrection" and "Beat Mutiny"
and the
>movement
was subsequently taken over by hoodlums.
He also said the
>hippies
were "good kids" who were following in the his (Kerouac's)
>footsteps. And your right Tim, Kerouac cracked himself
up answereing a
>Buckly
question with the Slim Gaillard line.
That's what comes to mind
>right
off the bat. I'll have to watch it
again.
>
>When
I first saw it, I had read Kerouac and knew about the myth
>surrounding
his life, still, I couldn't help but see a man that had
>given
up long ago. He seemed to be a shell of
a man grasping for
>answers
but truly uninterested in everything.
Made me relook at Kerouac
>the
man. That there is my opinion.
>
>Good
day.
>
>mark
>
>mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
"Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU> 09/16/97 10:26am
>>>
>At
01:36 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>On
Mon, 15 Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:
>>
>>>
Hi Derek,
>>>
>>>
Some of the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to
>>>
Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner. The blurbs used in
>this
>>>
doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though.
>Sorry,
>>>
I can't help you with locating a transcript.
>>>
>>>
-mark nigon
>>>
>>>
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>>>
>>>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97
>>>
04:47pm >>>
>>>
does anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even
>better)
>>>
of kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i
>would
>>>
really appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious
>>>
abt
>>>
kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as
>>>
his comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A
>>>
LOT abt this particular interview and would like to check it out
>myself)
>>>
THANKS ya'll
>>>
yrs
>>>
derek
>>>
>>Mark,
Derek and others,
>>
>>I
am also interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some
>here?
>>And
your opinion?
>>
>>Ciao
>>Yan
>>
>>We
share the Moon.
>>
>
>Yeah,
happy moon festival, y'all.
>
>I
saw this movie a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show
>was
>the
one where Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot
>Floogie
with the Floy Floy.
>
>
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Happy
birthday David !!!
Ciao !
Francesco
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>
Oggetto: 36th anniversary on terra firma
>
Data: martedl 16 settembre 1997 3.43
>
>
Full Moon tonight
>
...in
>
the universe today.
>
>
[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>
George Clinton]
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
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All this talk about birthdays and the
moon is great. I woke up this
a.m.
with the full moon shining in the window. There was a cool breeze
blowing
in, and for a moment I thought I was in the backseat of this '66
Galaxie
500 I used to have years ago (and often slept in). I must have had
a
similar experience awakening to the moon back in my early twenties, as
the
experience was familiar and quite pleasant.
Happy birthday, David, and all other
Virgos on this list. Mine was
8/29,
same as Bird's.
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cliff's notes)
As a
teacher I am supposed to be against Monarch, York, Coles Notes - =
and I
am - but at the same time, if the reader would never otherwise =
have
bothered to read the original, it can't be all bad. Now most of =
those
of my students who don't read what they're supposed to might never =
get
around to read the original if they passed the first chance by - but =
there's
always a chance that the Notes edition might tempt them to go =
looking
for the original - and that must be good !
As a
student I was grateful for the "help" in the Notes, and well did I =
know
that it wasn't the real thing.
And
what about the notes offered in hypertext ? For instance the =
hypertext
used for Dharma Bums in the CDROMnibus. I thought it was =
brilliant
! Reading a CD_ROM is never going to happen, it's too much of =
a
strain on my eyes. I prefer the book version, and I always will. But =
studying
the hypertext notes bit by bit every once in a while gave me =
tremendous
enjoyment - and taught me something about things I had never =
given
thought to before.
So much
so, in fact, that I have started a project on hypertext using =
the
Beats as a starting point. This project, which will be located at =
(http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/beatgen/beatgen.htm)
,=20
is not
online yet, but it should be in a couple of days time (it's out =
of my
hands, unfortunately). I've probably been inspired by each and =
everyone
who has contributed to BEAT-L since May when I joined the list, =
so if
you feel like stopping by on "The Danish Pathway to the Beat =
Generation
- An Educational Site" you'd be welcome - as will your =
comments,
even if you should choose to crucify me for turning hypertext =
into
the Monarch Notes of Cyberspace. Comments are welcomed at:
beat@systime.dk
(which is the address of the site) or
jenskoch@post1.tele.dk=20
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I
honestly don't know what happened when my post on hypertext etc. came =
to be
posted as a letter from you, Wes. As this post was intended to =
invite
people to go to our Danish site (in a couple of days time) this =
is
quite ridiculous - if a little comical. I sincerely hope it doesn't =
bother
you!=20
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>Sitting
by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
>to
take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
>Tonight,
Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
>A
special day, families are long for getting together,
>travelers'd
be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
>as
a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
>A
hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
>Thus
the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
>last
few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
>and
is filled up with affection. You will never be refused
>if
you wanta take a ride to Moon.
>
>JK
was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
>from
Gothenburg to Cheyenne
>under
cold shining star
>he
bought boys on the truck whisky
>"You
can have a couple of shots!", boy
>
>Now,in
warm moonlight
>folks
on the list
>would
receive the old Chinese feeling
>and
a piece of mooncake
>digitally
>
>Ciao
>
>Yan
>We
share the Moon.
And
just before reading this post I was saying that the moon is full
tonight
and I will gather some wood for a fire as our friends come up to
gather
in the next few hours. We look east across the distant ridge to
watch
for the moon from this 2,000' hilltop in upstate New York. We will be
looking
east from Wheeler Hill and I will think of you, Yan, as the moon
sends
its first light over the ridge.
Michael
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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
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hey
there?
i was
wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
mary
shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
doing
her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
prometheus
& i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
you
folks would recommend.
(aint that
strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist
??
haha.)
thanks
a HUGE bundle
yrs
derek
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mike,
when you have the time, please drop a line to me at country@sover.net
enjoy
yr moon. i will be on a hilltop over our 'cold hollow' town of
montpelier.
every night this week i have been walking in the clouds that
shroud
the hills, up from the clarity of the hollow, feeling like i am walking
on
clouds. tonight is clear. will think of you and your celebration.
mc
Michael
Czarnecki wrote:
>
>Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
>
>to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
>
>Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
>
>A special day, families are long for getting together,
>
>travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
>
>as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
>
>A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
>
>
>Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
>
>last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
>
>and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused
>
>if you wanta take a ride to Moon.
>
>
>
>JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
>
>from Gothenburg to Cheyenne
>
>under cold shining star
>
>he bought boys on the truck whisky
>
>"You can have a couple of shots!", boy
>
>
>
>Now,in warm moonlight
>
>folks on the list
>
>would receive the old Chinese feeling
>
>and a piece of mooncake
>
>digitally
>
>
>
>Ciao
>
>
>
>Yan
>
>We share the Moon.
>
>
And just before reading this post I was saying that the moon is full
>
tonight and I will gather some wood for a fire as our friends come up to
>
gather in the next few hours. We look east across the distant ridge to
>
watch for the moon from this 2,000' hilltop in upstate New York. We will be
>
looking east from Wheeler Hill and I will think of you, Yan, as the moon
>
sends its first light over the ridge.
>
>
Michael
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Sorry to post this to the list but I
can't get return addresses from
my program (plus it's good info to all):
to find a particular listerv send the
command
list global XXXXXXXX (Where XXXXXXX is a key word)
to the address:
listserv@listserv.net
this won't give you every list in
existence, but it'll come close
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Author: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
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Date: 9/16/97 2:12 PM
hey
there?
i was
wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
mary
shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
doing
her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
prometheus
& i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
you
folks would recommend.
(aint
that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist
??
haha.)
thanks
a HUGE bundle
yrs
derek
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
> Diane
Carter wrote:
>
> My question is what does it symbolize or do? Does it have something to do
> with the journey of the soul? And does this burning of possessions
>
> give energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
>
> in now after death?
>
> DC
>
>
more information at clip information from
>
http://dove.mtx.net.au/~jrowse/dead/tibdead.html
>
> The Bardo Thodol, or Tibetan Book of the
Dead, is an ancient
> text that was first put into written
form by the legendary Padma
> Sambhava in the 8th century A.D.
Translated, Bardo Thodol
> means "liberation by hearing on the
after death plane". The book
> acts as a guide for the dead during the
state that intervenes
> death and the next rebirth. This
intermediate state is called the
> Bardo and lasts for forty nine days.
> p
this is
so funny. guess we were just a bit
ahead of schedule. Rod came
down on
surprise to visit me for pre-birthday weekend.
One of the many
things
we did was play Timothy Leary's cd taking "Ralph" through the
Bardo
chakras on one boom box while playing clips from many of William's
cds on
another. Highly recommend "But I'm
dying, no you're not" during
the
FreakOut section on the 4th Chakra.
Much of Breakthrough in the
GreyRoom
"shift coordinate points" "mr. martin" "how random is
random"
"you
can only call the old doctor once" "brings down his blue hands to
quiet
the Marks" fit along very well during the Descent into Heaven as
well. Rod left me on loan with a bit of audio
fun. Right now i have
Junkie,
Breakthrough in the Grey Room, Call Me Burroughs, Elvis of
Lettres,
Dead City Radio, Priest They Called Him, Spare Ass Annie, and
Seven
Souls zooming in and out of my boombox.
I might have another one
or two
i forgot to mention!
have
fun.
dbr
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From: Levi Asher
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Then
there's always the quote from an early David Bowie song
(Quicksand
from Hunky Dory):
"If I don't explain what you want to
know
You can tell me all about it on the next
bardo"
I
always wanted to use that as a .sig quote, but I
figured
I'd have to spend a lot of time explaining
what a
bardo is if I did.
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|
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|
| "Coffeehouse: Writings from the
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: something to SPIN...
SPIN
magazine, October 1997, p. 76
The
Priest, They Called Him:
William
S. Burroughs, 1914-1997
Why was
the death of William S. Burroughs such a curiously uneventful event?
Given
the superficial resemblance to the recent passing of friend and fellow
beat
Allen Ginsberg, for example, the two deaths couldn't feel more
different. Like Burroughs, Ginsberg was a writer well
past his prime and a
spotlight
addict inclined to interlope on passing youth-culture movements in
order
to extend his legend. Nonetheless,
Ginsberg remained a force to the
end, an
artist with a sincere political and spiritual agenda who saw his fame
as a
way to provoke cultural change. His
death came as a surprisingly
powerful
blow, even to people who'd long since cringed at his poetry.
On the
other hand, the 83-year-old Burroughs, who died of heart failure
August
2, was an active relic who had exploited the mystique around his early
work
for so long that I suspect even he didn't know why he was famous
anymore. While he continued to write, he was less an
artist than a retiree
who
dabbled in his former craft. Despite
the omnipresence of his name, he
had
ceased to participate in our world decades ago. He lived quietly in the
middle
of nowhere, invisible, apart from the occasional cameo, attached to us
only by
that famous visage and voice, and by the well-worn anecdotes and
crackpot
theories he respun endlessly for any interviewer willing to make the
trek to
Lawrence, Kansas.
Don't
get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important countercultural
figure. Before heroin addiction stunted his talent,
he wrote a handful of
brilliant,
groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch (1959) and The Wild
Boys
(1969). He perfected (but did not
invent) the cut-up technique, one of
the
touchstones of postmodernism and an influence on innumerable writers,
artists,
directors, and musicians, He popularized the idea of experimental
fiction,
if more by dint of his persona than his craft.
Along with Jean
Genet,
John Rechy, and Ginsberg, he helped make homosexuality seem cool and
highbrow,
providing gay liberation with a delicious edge. In his day,
Burroughs
was arguably the most radical novelist that America had ever
produced.
But the
rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting, the conspiracy
rantings,
the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.
Not that he didn't
sit in
Orgone Boxes daydreaming of enlightenment, or do drugs into his 80s.
But the mythic status of those oddball
personal habits had everything to do
with
the contexts in which he was placed: To most of the rock bands,
moviemakers,
and Gen X advertisers who dropped Burroughs's trademark exterior
into
their product (notable exception: Gus Van Sant), he was a signifier of
their
own daring and little else. And in
allowing this indiscriminate
dispersal
of his image, Burroughs the complex artist became Burroughs the
simplistic
icon.
In a
way, Burroughs died in the late '70s, when he was resurrected from
relative
obscurity and repackaged as a kind of outlaw comedian/philosopher.
Victor Bockris's 1981 book, *With William
Burroughs: A Report from the
Bunker,*
a collection of transcribed dinner conversations and photos,
presents
him as a cranky, befuddled living legend who, when not putting on
clownish
displays of outre behavior, was propped up in front of a passing
array
of worshipful rock stars. It's a
well-known secret that, beginning
with
his 1981 "comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose
was a
product of partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books
steadily
diminished. Perhaps this is not a bad
thing in and of itself;
everybody's
got to pay the rent somehow. But the
result is that his death
feels
abstract, only coldly fascinating. The
Burroughs whom most of us know
and
love is an echo, which, thanks to the miracles of sampling, will continue
unimpeded
as long as there are young rebels in need of a transgressive
figurehead.
--DENNIS
COOPER
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I saw
this as well. Thnx for posting it.
What
about it? Not the opinion, but the
claim that Burroughs books were
written
by ghosts beginning with Cities of the Red Night?
True?
At
07:11 PM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>SPIN
magazine, October 1997, p. 76
>The
Priest, They Called Him:
>William
S. Burroughs, 1914-1997
>
>Why
was the death of William S. Burroughs such a curiously uneventful event?
>Given
the superficial resemblance to the recent passing of friend and fellow
>beat
Allen Ginsberg, for example, the two deaths couldn't feel more
>different. Like Burroughs, Ginsberg was a writer well
past his prime and a
>spotlight
addict inclined to interlope on passing youth-culture movements in
>order
to extend his legend. Nonetheless,
Ginsberg remained a force to the
>end,
an artist with a sincere political and spiritual agenda who saw his fame
>as
a way to provoke cultural change. His
death came as a surprisingly
>powerful
blow, even to people who'd long since cringed at his poetry.
>
>On
the other hand, the 83-year-old Burroughs, who died of heart failure
>August
2, was an active relic who had exploited the mystique around his early
>work
for so long that I suspect even he didn't know why he was famous
>anymore. While he continued to write, he was less an
artist than a retiree
>who
dabbled in his former craft. Despite
the omnipresence of his name, he
>had
ceased to participate in our world decades ago. He lived quietly in the
>middle
of nowhere, invisible, apart from the occasional cameo, attached to us
>only
by that famous visage and voice, and by the well-worn anecdotes and
>crackpot
theories he respun endlessly for any interviewer willing to make the
>trek
to Lawrence, Kansas.
>
>Don't
get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important countercultural
>figure. Before heroin addiction stunted his talent,
he wrote a handful of
>brilliant,
groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch (1959) and The Wild
>Boys
(1969). He perfected (but did not
invent) the cut-up technique, one of
>the
touchstones of postmodernism and an influence on innumerable writers,
>artists,
directors, and musicians, He popularized the idea of experimental
>fiction,
if more by dint of his persona than his craft.
Along with Jean
>Genet,
John Rechy, and Ginsberg, he helped make homosexuality seem cool and
>highbrow,
providing gay liberation with a delicious edge. In his day,
>Burroughs
was arguably the most radical novelist that America had ever
>produced.
>
>But
the rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting, the conspiracy
>rantings,
the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.
Not that he didn't
>sit
in Orgone Boxes daydreaming of enlightenment, or do drugs into his 80s.
>
But the mythic status of those oddball personal habits had everything to do
>with
the contexts in which he was placed: To most of the rock bands,
>moviemakers,
and Gen X advertisers who dropped Burroughs's trademark exterior
>into
their product (notable exception: Gus Van Sant), he was a signifier of
>their
own daring and little else. And in
allowing this indiscriminate
>dispersal
of his image, Burroughs the complex artist became Burroughs the
>simplistic
icon.
>
>In
a way, Burroughs died in the late '70s, when he was resurrected from
>relative
obscurity and repackaged as a kind of outlaw comedian/philosopher.
>
Victor Bockris's 1981 book, *With William Burroughs: A Report from the
>Bunker,*
a collection of transcribed dinner conversations and photos,
>presents
him as a cranky, befuddled living legend who, when not putting on
>clownish
displays of outre behavior, was propped up in front of a passing
>array
of worshipful rock stars. It's a
well-known secret that, beginning
>with
his 1981 "comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose
>was
a product of partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books
>steadily
diminished. Perhaps this is not a bad
thing in and of itself;
>everybody's
got to pay the rent somehow. But the
result is that his death
>feels
abstract, only coldly fascinating. The
Burroughs whom most of us know
>and
love is an echo, which, thanks to the miracles of sampling, will continue
>unimpeded
as long as there are young rebels in need of a transgressive
>figurehead.
>--DENNIS
COOPER
>
>
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At
01:38 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On
Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Jonathan or Jennifer wrote:
>
>>
I was in Barnes and Noble bookstore, browsing through
>>
the Jack Kerouac section, when this lady in her 40's-50's
>>
and her husband walked by. she pointed right at one
>>
of Kerouac's books and said in a loud voice to her
>>
husband: "Know that guy? He was a hippie-beatnik."
>>
then she left. i almost burst out laughing. obviously,
>>
this woman knows nothing about Kerouac. he was totally
>>
against the hippies! Just thought i might share that
>>
with everyone.
>>
>>
-Jennifer
>>
-jt712@netpath.net
>>
>What
had Kerouac said against hippies?
>
>Yan
>We
share the Moon.
>
now
that i think about it, Kerouac wasn't against the
hippies,
but i read somewhere that he opposed many of
the
things they approved of.
-Jennifer
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>My
question is what does it symbolize or do?
Bardo--although I'm not familiar with
the name, is a Buddist
practice
which takes place during 49 days after the a person's death. In
Japan,
where I live, some families hold "Shijukunichi" ("49 Days")
cermonies
after a relative's death. Families will gather at the Buddhist
temple
for prayer lead by the temple priest. Afterward, they will often
bury
the ashes in the grave.
Other families, depending on family
tradition or branch of Buddism
will
hold similar ceremonies 35 days after the death or 1 year after the
death.
I've heard and read (Tibetan Book of
the Dead) that at least in
Tigetan
Buddism these 49 days are not spent idly waiting; the time is used
to
prepare the departing soul for the transformation, hoping to help them
reincarnate
at a more enlightened level, by reading them the Scripture from
the
Book of the Dead (hence the title).
This is my humble and incomplete
understanding. I'm always learning
more,
in fact, received my awaited copy of Some of the Dharma yesterday, so
there
may be more to add to this message later.
>do
with the journey of the soul? And does
this burning of possessions
>give
energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
>in
now after death?
>DC
:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::
Timothy
Hoffman
Komaki
English Teaching Center
timothy@gol.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:23:29 -0500
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Yeah, i
was about to post this too. I was
frankly dissapointed with it.
It just
seems to me that the writer knew very little about William S.
Burroughs
besides the cult, cliche knowledge of him.
And many parts of
the
article seem downright rude. (im paraphrasing)
"Many people felt the
loss of
Allen Ginsberg, even the ones who had spent years cringing at his
poetry." and then "While he continued to write,
he was less an artist
than a
retiree
who
dabbled in his former craft." I
dont agree with this at all, and i
think
he just switched mediums. He went
beyond writing to painting and
collages. It seemed like the article wasn't even
really a
tribute
to a great man who had just passed away.
It was saying something
like:
"His artistic genius passed away long a go, so we need not mourn his
body."
I don't
know, maybe im too harsh. but i think
it would have been better
to keep
the article out as a tribute to WSB.
Now, on the other hand, i
liked
the article in Rolling Stone. THAT was
a tribute.
-matt
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I
wasn't going to say anything but wasn't there
a study on coopers that
they
caused asthma. tim, your such a heavy hitter, right, william not
only
couldn't right or think, after all he was old, uh, but elvis really
wrote
and imagined the trilogy, they covered it up because they thought
william's
name was bigger. Then didn't he have a
trust fund, i mean
cooper
not elvis.
how
many legs does dennis have?
p
spin
sure spent the money on that.
p
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I gotta say, I was disappointed with
the tone of the SPIN article.
If Cooper and SPIN had not felt the
man deserving of a tribute, why
print
anything at all? Why not just let him pass?
Burroughs' death received a more
respectful and humane treatment
in
People, for God's sake. The People article, brief as it was, did at
least
pay heed to Burroughs' choice of vocation as a way "to write himself
out
of" the hellish situation he was in after the accidental shooting death
of his
wife.
Cooper seems to take offense to the
fact that Burroughs had been
enjoying
a period of resurgence in his popularity among the
counterculture/young/personalities
of the music industry when the same can
be said
about other Beat authors. The fact that Burroughs had "dabbled" in
media
other than writing should only confirm the idea that he was an artist
to the
end, sincere in his beliefs, as human as anyone else, and, because
of his
obvious talents, in death, deserving a fair tribute.
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:03:09 -0500
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Hi,
Jens! Bother me??? Heck no. Those who know me know that precious
little
bothers me! But I was wondering the
same thing. I'll bet you hit
reply
while reading my post.
I'll
look forward to seeing that site. Would
you post it again when it
goes on
line???
---Wes
----------
Jens
Koch wrote:
I
honestly don't know what happened when my post on hypertext etc. came to
be
posted as a letter from you, Wes. As this post was intended to invite
people
to go to our Danish site (in a couple of days time) this is quite
ridiculous
- if a little comical. I sincerely hope it doesn't bother you!
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if spin is going to condemn performers
for living off the laurels
of past
achievement, why then didn't they give jerry garcia the same going
over?
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From: Jeff Taylor
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On Tue,
16 Sep 1997, Attila Gyenis wrote:
>
Headwaters Forest - the last remaining old growth forest, Redwood trees 500
> to
2,000 years old, that are privately owned. And owned by Mr. Hurwitz
>
(Maxxam corporation/Pacific Lumber) who is tying to get ransom money for it
>
from the government and taxpayers in the amount of $380 million dollars USA,
>
otherwise the forest, nature, animals, rivers, all go. It's 10:00 pm. Do you
>
know what the fuck your government is doing?
>
> I
don't know if Jack would have stood for it.
Are trees beat?
from
Desolation Angels, ch32:
"As
far as I can see and as I am concerned, this so-called Forest Service
is
nothing but a front, on the one hand a vague Totalitarian governmental
effort
to restrict the use of the forest to people, telling them they cant
camp
here or piss there, it's illegal to do this and you're allowed to do
that,
in the Immemorial Wilderness of Tao and the Golden Age and the
Milleniums
of Man--secondly it's a front for the lumber interests, the net
result
of the whole thing being, what with Scott Paper Tissue and such
companies
logging out these woods year after year with the 'cooperation'
of the
Forest Service which boasts so proudly of the number of board feet
in the
whole Forest (as if I owned an inch of a board altho I cant piss
here
nor camp there) result, net, is people all over the world are wiping
their
ass with the beautiful trees--"
*******
Jeff
Taylor
taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
*******
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From: Levi Asher
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> if spin is going to condemn performers
for living off the laurels
> of
past achievement, why then didn't they give jerry garcia the same going
>
over?
This is
true -- I don't know what the hell got into Spin. I've
sometimes
critiqued Burroughs myself, but one thing you've got
to say
is he aged pretty well, and always kept us guessing what
he was
going to do next. I'd rather go out
that way than a lot
of
other ways.
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Leon
Tabory wrote:
>
> Happy birthday David!
>
> A
bit late again, among other things work does is you get behind ,
running
behind the threads as as Yan would say, but it is all right in many
other ways
and I am not too late yet to wish you a happy
birthday or to share the moon
celebrating...
>
> I
am no longer shocked that you are only thirty six, I got over that after
seeing your picure. I had pictured you as
having become wisened through the
years, but I saw that your mind was way ahead
of your years by that much and it
obviously didn't hurt you none in the body either.
>
> So
now I have an acceptable reason to congratulate you, and since us oldtimers
ain't doin our job if we ain't givin no
advice, take it from one who is going
to be doubling your years in a couple of
weeks, You can pave your road with
rose petals no matter what curves they put in
your way!
>
>
Had I only realized it was going to go
on being that good I would have saved
me some pretty heap of waste looking for the
ravages of age. coming at me. Sure
can bet on tha.t but it ain't near as bad as
you might imagine. You even get
used to those wrinkles and the grey hairs and
there is more fun awaiting than
you can shake a stick at. And not only that,
you get smarter to dig all those
goodies. Ha Ha! Have a good one!
>
>
One thing though - Is it all that firm? sometimes it feels a little shaky to
me. Maybe that's my age creeping up on me.
Got my sailors' legs on though, it
all is fun.
>
>
leon
>
>
-----Original Message-----
>
From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 5:18 AM
>
Subject: 36th anniversary on terra firma
>
>
>Full Moon tonight
>
>and anniversary of my birth
>
>36 years
>
>give or take a century
>
>someone asks me
>
>"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
>
>tough question you know
>
>hear it
>
>every year
>
>every year someone's gonna ask
>
>do you you feeeeeel older and
>
>kind of like when asked
>
>how do you feeeeeel
>
>everyday
>
>on street corners from
>
>this person or that person
>
>that don't
>
>wait for the answer
>
>cuz they didn't even realize
>
>that they'd
>
>asked the question
>
>and so
>
>the answer is
>
>yes
>
>i feel a distinct
>
>impression
>
>that i'm about
>
>a day older
>
>give or take
>
>and wonder about the
>
>correspondence of
>
>birthday and full moon
>
>and
>
>certain wonderful Lunacy
>
>somewhere in
>
>the universe today.
>
>
>
>[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>
>George Clinton]
>
>
>
>david rhaesa
>
>salina, Kansas
>
>.-
>
>
thanks
for the kind note.
of
course it isn't always that firm.
many
many methods for dealing with the anti-firm moments. my most
successful
is probably to count to 100 than count down to -500 and back
up to
zero.
there
is rarely something anti-firm with the patience to withstand this
procedure
... of course, i often fall asleep somewhere along the way...
still
hoping to come out that way later this fall or in the spring.
this
weekend taking my mother to denver to visit my sister and i'll play
with
nephew nate and move up the road to evergreen to an old friend and
to
Boulder to seek out the Disembodied Poets....always have wondered
exactly
what that means...hope that they ain't so disembodied that they
are
invisible.
i'm
blocked off the computer right now so will send this in the morning.
thanks
again.
words
of advice to young folks are always in order!
shalom,
david
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At
07:45 PM 9/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
You too Tim! Last but not least of the thrty sixers! Greetings from your
ols
stomping grounds! Not only a full moon but the sunsets from Natural
Bridges
are more stunning than they ever were. Happy trails Tim
>
>leon
Thanks
Leon you make me nostalgic for the old town.
I bet
the moon is great from a Lompico view through the redwoods
>
>-----Original
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>From:
Timothy K. Gallaher <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>
>To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>Date:
Tuesday, September 16, 1997 8:44 AM
>Subject:
Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma
>
>
>
>>At
07:13 AM 9/16/97 +0530, you wrote:
>>>Full
Moon tonight
>>>and
anniversary of my birth
>>>36
years
>>
>>
>>No
way!!!!?????
>>
>>
>>It's
my birthday too yeah.
>>
>>Well
my birthday's really in october but it the Chinese calender it's my
>>birthday.
>>
>>Same
rat year too.
>>
>>Amazing.
>>
>>I
thought this made me the Moon King but maybe you are also the Moon King.
>>
>>Happy
Birthday David.
>>
>>
>>>give
or take a century
>>>someone
asks me
>>>"well,
do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
>>>tough
question you know
>>>hear
it
>>>every
year
>>>every
year someone's gonna ask
>>>do
you you feeeeeel older and
>>>kind
of like when asked
>>>how
do you feeeeeel
>>>everyday
>>>on
street corners from
>>>this
person or that person
>>>that
don't
>>>wait
for the answer
>>>cuz
they didn't even realize
>>>that
they'd
>>>asked
the question
>>>and
so
>>>the
answer is
>>>yes
>>>i
feel a distinct
>>>impression
>>>that
i'm about
>>>a
day older
>>>give
or take
>>>and
wonder about the
>>>correspondence
of
>>>birthday
and full moon
>>>and
>>>certain
wonderful Lunacy
>>>somewhere
in
>>>the
universe today.
>>>
>>>[Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>>>George
Clinton]
>>>
>>>david
rhaesa
>>>salina,
Kansas
>>>
>>>
>>.-
>>
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:19:51 -0700
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Just
noticed that KQED in San Francisco is airing a show on AG--"The
Life
and Times of Allan Ginsberg" Wednesday night (tomorrow) at 10pm.
Public
TV viewers in other markets might want to check their schedules.
I don't
know who is producing this one. (I saw
the ad as I was on the
phone
with the sound off on TV).
J.
Stauffer
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From: Richard D Raymond
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Subject: kerouac quarterly?
My name is Ricky Raymond, and I am a
relative neophyte to the beat
writers
and the world of bickering they left in their wake. I was going
through
some old messages from the list, and found a particularly biting
response
from you to nicosia in which you mentioned a Kerouac Quarterly.
Could
you send me subscription info? thanks.
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We got
old timers and prospectors on this hyar hookup!
Mike
Rice
At
07:36 PM 9/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
Happy birthday David!
>
>A
bit late again, among other things work does is you get behind ,
running
behind the threads as as Yan would say,
but it is all right in many
other
ways and I am not too late yet to wish you a happy birthday or to
share
the moon celebrating...
>
>I
am no longer shocked that you are only thirty six, I got over that after
seeing
your picure. I had pictured you as having become wisened through the
years,
but I saw that your mind was way ahead of your years by that much and
it
obviously didn't hurt you none in the
body either.
>
>So
now I have an acceptable reason to congratulate you, and since us
oldtimers
ain't doin our job if we ain't givin no advice, take it from one
who is
going to be doubling your years in a couple of weeks, You can pave
your
road with rose petals no matter what curves they put in your way!
>
>Had
I only realized it was going to go on
being that good I would have
saved
me some pretty heap of waste looking for the ravages of age. coming at
me.
Sure can bet on tha.t but it ain't near as bad as you might imagine. You
even
get used to those wrinkles and the grey hairs and there is more fun
awaiting
than you can shake a stick at. And not only that, you get smarter
to dig
all those goodies. Ha Ha! Have a good one!
>
>One
thing though - Is it all that firm? sometimes it feels a little shaky
to me.
Maybe that's my age creeping up on me. Got my sailors' legs on
though,
it all is fun.
>
>leon
>
>-----Original
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>From:
RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
>To:
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>Date:
Tuesday, September 16, 1997 5:18 AM
>Subject:
36th anniversary on terra firma
>
>
>
>>Full
Moon tonight
>>and
anniversary of my birth
>>36
years
>>give
or take a century
>>someone
asks me
>>"well,
do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
>>tough
question you know
>>hear
it
>>every
year
>>every
year someone's gonna ask
>>do
you you feeeeeel older and
>>kind
of like when asked
>>how
do you feeeeeel
>>everyday
>>on
street corners from
>>this
person or that person
>>that
don't
>>wait
for the answer
>>cuz
they didn't even realize
>>that
they'd
>>asked
the question
>>and
so
>>the
answer is
>>yes
>>i
feel a distinct
>>impression
>>that
i'm about
>>a
day older
>>give
or take
>>and
wonder about the
>>correspondence
of
>>birthday
and full moon
>>and
>>certain
wonderful Lunacy
>>somewhere
in
>>the
universe today.
>>
>>[Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>>George
Clinton]
>>
>>david
rhaesa
>>salina,
Kansas
>>.-
>>
>
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: something to spin...
SPIN is
just very uneven. They are not as
predictable as Rolling Stone,
which
can be refreshing. But SPIN lets a lot
of silly stuff into print -
poorly
written, poorly researched, poorly edited if at all, and the Burroughs
piece
was an example of all of the above, more like what you would expect
from a
college newspaper, just one guy musing about his poorly formed
impressions
rather than anything resembeling journalism.
SPIN's
list of the 40 most important musicians about six months ago was just
hysterical. Warhol was wrong, at places like SPIN fame
comes and goes in way
under
15 minutes. SPIN has trouble dealing
with the fact that sometimes
there
are a few folks that actually are famous and "in" for a little more
than a
few hours. Like him or not, William S.
Burroughs was one of that
breed. Its not surprising that some have trouble
dealing with that.
Howard
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At
03:16 PM 4/26/97 EST, you wrote:
> My name is Ricky Raymond, and I am a
relative neophyte to the beat
>writers
and the world of bickering they left in their wake. I was going
>through
some old messages from the list, and found a particularly biting
>response
from you to nicosia in which you mentioned a Kerouac Quarterly.
>Could
you send me subscription info? thanks.
>
Hi...the info can be found at The Kerouac
Quarterly web site at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
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On Tue,
16 Sep 1997 16:15:37 -0700 Timothy K. Gallaher
wrote:
[snip]
>
>Don't get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important
countercultural
>
>figure. Before heroin addiction stunted
his talent, he
wrote a
handful of
>
>brilliant, groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch
(1959)
and The Wild
>
>Boys (1969).
Pardon
me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't Burroughs so much on
smack
whilst writing Naked Lunch that he claimed in the
introduction
that he could not remember writing bits of it
(a
claim that was taken up by Kronenberg in his film of the
book
when Ginsberg and Kerouac visit him in Interzone with
his
"book" and he says that he knows nothing about it.)?
In his day,
>
>Burroughs was arguably the most radical novelist that
America
had ever
>
>produced.
As far
as I'm concerned, he's still the most radical
novelist
that America has ever produced. Who
else tackled
the
theoretical premises that had been taken as being as
natural
as breathing to novelists both before and after, and
did his
best, if not to destroy them, then to subvert them
by
showing that great literature can be created without the
traditionally
accepted guidelines. His un-systematic
destruction
of the narrative structure was (I think I'm
right
in saying) the first of its kind, if not only the
first
to push the boundaries as far as they could go.
Cut-up
was important not just as a new method (and Burroughs
was
arguably the first to bring it into widely-seen word
collages)
but also because it shows us what had been taken
for
granted up to then, and what could be done by breaking
the
rules. Kerouac is often seen to be a
more important
literary
figure, but his theories of spontaneous poetics
were
mainly distilled from Joyce and others.
Personally I
find
most stream-of-conciousness-type-stuff completely
unreadable,
but it's important for the same reasons.
>
>But the rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting,
the
conspiracy
>
>rantings, the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.
I'm
sure that his wife would not be happy to learn that.
And I
think it's a little unfair.
All
great figures of the sixties (and, yeah, before and
after)
were eventually taken over by their own myths, being
consumed
by the legend and eventually disappearing up their
own
arseholes. I think Burroughs fought
this better than
most,
and I think his memory deserves better.
It's a well-known secret that, beginning
>
>with his 1981 "comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night,
Burroughs's
prose
>
>was a product of partial ghostwriting, and that his
involvement
in his books
>
>steadily diminished.
And
yet, inmo, The Western Lands was Burrough's second best
book
(first being the sublime Ghost of Chance).
It drew all
the
threads together and illuminated many dark corners of
his
mind and thoughts that would have otherwise remained
vague
impressions only.
Burroughs
is the most undervalued writer of the century.
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"To
know, and be not knowing."
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: something to SPIN...
To Tom
Harberd--
Tim
Gallaher is not the author of that Burroughs stuff, but just one of the
respondents
to it. The author is Dennis Cooper, and the article appears in
this
month's issue of SPIN magazine.
I
posted the article to the list for comment. All those who disagree with
Cooper's
assessment should also consider writing to SPIN to register their
complaints
formally.
These
are addresses for the editorial offices of SPIN. Take your pick.
Spin
Magazine 6 W 18th St, New York, NY 10011-4608
Phone:
(212)633-8200 Fax: (212)633-2668
Spin
Magazine 11950 San Vicente Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90049-5013
Phone:
(310)820-8183
Spin
Magazine 447 Battery St, San Francisco, CA 94111-3202
Phone:
(415)981-7746
Also,
they have a website titled "Spin Online," apparently, but I haven't
been
able to divine its whereabouts. If anyone knows the URL, please send it
to me.
Thanks.
diane
P.S. I
haven't had any use for SPIN magazine since its 1995 article on
celebrity
"male bimbos," whom they referred to as "himbos," which was
so
baldly
sexist and offensive I couldn't believe they didn't get their asses
sued
off.
Always,
consider the source. Never trust a magazine to present facts. They
are all
in the entertainment biz today.
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Since i
won't be able to be in Lawrence on the 20th i was going to take
my
little Pocket Tibetan Book of the Dead in pocket and head up from
Aurora
to Boulder. Have my only little Bardo
moments there.
Wondering
about directions? I've heard that
Arapahoe and Pearl are
streets
to wander along. Are there others? Any doors i should knock on
unannounced????
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Subject: Re: romantic lit. /
shelley&wollstonecraft listserv?
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derek:
i'd try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also
i think
your needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific
lit
list. i don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more
detailed
response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a
great
scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly
way.
mc
Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
hey there?
> i
was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
>
mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
>
doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
>
prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
>
you folks would recommend.
>
(aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C
romanticist
> ??
haha.)
>
thanks a HUGE bundle
>
yrs
>
derek
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Ed Sanders has a word for this sort of
"Spin".
He calls it a "Poe job". It's
the same old establishment
bashing the artist while they're alive
and after
they're dead. Edgar still gets this once
in a while.
The sad part is that WSB has been on
SPIN's list of
contributing editors and WSB gives praise
to Dennis
Cooper in a blurb on one of Cooper's
books. Dennis owes
a lot to Burroughs. Cooper doesn't even
have his facts
together.
Burroughs deserves better. It's magazines
like SPIN that
capitalized on Burroughs name. It is the
media that has
treated Burroughs like an icon.
Burroughs has always been 100% himself.
His work will stand up.
Sean D. Young
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mc
done a
serach (listserv@listserv.net) for romantic, shelley,
wollstonecraft,
romanticist, byron, 18 th century literature with no dice
so far.
no help from boho's either. theres gott abe something on all them
listservs
out there. gotta be something of use, no?
thanks
for all the help ive received so far - i really appreciate it.
yrs
derek
On Wed,
17 Sep 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:
>
>
derek: i'd try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also
> i
think your needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific
>
lit list. i don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more
> detailed
response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a
>
great scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly
>
way.
> mc
>
>
Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
>
> hey there?
>
> i was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
>
> mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
>
> doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
>
> prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources
that
>
> you folks would recommend.
>
> (aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C
romanticist
>
> ?? haha.)
>
> thanks a HUGE bundle
>
> yrs
>
> derek
>