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Thanks everyone who helped me try and figure out who this mystery Arthur
>
interviewer is. I have to go back to the original tape again, and maybe I
>
will hear one of these names -- Arthurs Godfrey and Barlow, and Arnold
>
Beerbaum -- in the previously incomprehensible bit. (What was that, "You
>
can't learn anything you don't already know?")
>
Arthur
Godfrey seems extremely unlikely to me, as absolutely square as
they
come is my recollection from snatches of a fifties childhood. I do
remember
Arthur resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD voice after
his son
had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.
J.
Stauffer.
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Rinaldo,
Thanks for
the nice Bukowski poems you posted in response to Sarah's
discussion
of Bukowski's place in our discussions.
Far be it from me to
embroil
myself in the "Is (fill in the blank) Beat" perpetual thread
that I
have been fairly snide about in the past. Bukowski would have
hated
being called a Beat yet it seems to me that history will put him
there
as it will Jack Spicer. His place,
time, and themes are beat.
Certainly
Ginsberg and Kerouac are romanticisers.
Bukowski certainly
tries
very hard not to be, but then so does WSB.
In some ways, Hunke
sort of
ways, (and he coined the word) Buk is as beat as it gets.
Well,
I've gone and done it anyway--but we need to find a way to have
some
sort of discussion on this list without somebody having to die.
J.
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James
Stauffer wrote:
> I
do
>
remember Arthur [Godfrey] resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD
voice
after
>
his son had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.
Aren't
you confusing Godfrey with Art Linkletter?
He's the one I recall
stumping
against LSD (and it was his daughter who died).
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Okay.
I
thought that, like in the film Naked Lunch, WSB turned to
Joan
and said "I guess it's time for our William Tell
routine." But in Joyce Johnson's Minor Characters,
it's
Joan
that turns to Bill.
Which
is right?
Also,
JJ says that Bill actually married Joyce, although
I've
seen elsewhere that she was his "common-law" wife.
Which
is right?
And JJ
claims that Burroughs was "heir to the Burroughs
family
millions" or something like that, from the adding
machine
stuff, but I thought that he actually only had a
fairly
low allowance.
Which
is right?
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"To
know, and be not knowing."
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From: Arthur Nusbaum <SSASN@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Nit-picking again
Tom:
In
response to your "which is right?" inquiries:
There
are conflicting accounts of who said what to whom during the notorious
"William
Tell" episode where WSB accidentally killed Joan. I recall from Ted
Morgan's
LITERARY OUTLAW, the most complete and throroughly researched
biography
to date, that it was WSB who made the statement. His recounting of
the
incident is based on a composite of interviews and sources. This is from
memory,
and I'll check it when I have a chance to confirm.
To the
best of my knowledge from all I have read, WSB never officially
married
Joan in any civil or religious ceremony, they became common law
husband
& wife by sharing households and
having the ill-fated WSB Jr.
together. WSB did officially marry a woman in Europe
during the late 1930's,
strictly
as a favor to help her immigrate and escape the nazis.
WSB was
not an heir to "the Burroughs family millions", his parents sold
their
shares in the Burroughs Corporation which his namesake grandfather, the
inventor
of the modern adding machine, had started.
They were not poor but
far
from millionaires, and they provided WSB with an allowance of $200 per
month
which helped support his adventures all the way up to Paris and the
publication
of NAKED LUNCH, after which his own income became enough to
modestly
support him in his ever ready to move on, "travel very lightly"
lifestyle. The myth of his being an heir to the
corporate fortune is one of
the
most stubborn, perpetuated by many including Kerouac. WSB himself set
the
record straight with me during my visit with him in February 1995,
telling
me "Kerouac can't always be trusted" and remeniscing about going on
buying
trips with his father for his parents' gift shop, Cobblestone Gardens,
which
was their (and his) main source of income for many years.
I have
enjoyed all of your posts from Britain, where WSB resided during the
1960's
and early 1970's, and have meant to introduce myself. I hope I've
helped
clear these matters up for you.
Regards,
Arthur
S. Nusbaum
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Greetings
ppl-
for
those of you who don't know, i've been running the burroughs.net site,
in its
various incarnations, for near 3 years now. At current writing, the
site is
down, and i'm busy restructuring and redesigning it. I thought i'd
take
this opportunity to get some feedback/suggestions from you all here on
the
list. What would you like to see on this site? what would be useful or
informative
to you? I've got some good ideas that i'll reveal closer to
launch
of the new site, but i'm also curious...
Also,
if anyone should want to write criticism/articles on William's work
and
feature them on the site, contact me, i'd love it. I get no money for
doing
this site and never have, so i can't offer any for your work as i
just
don't have it...
thanks,
-zach
(junky@burroughs.net)
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<snip>
And JJ
claims that Burroughs was "heir to the Burroughs
family
millions" or something like that, from the adding
machine
stuff, but I thought that he actually only had a
fairly
low allowance.
Which
is right?
<no more snip>
Most bio-info I've read says he got a
meager stipend from the family's
greenhouse business and nothing
more....can anyone corroborate this?
love and lilies,
matt
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Jym
Mooney wrote:
>
>
James Stauffer wrote:
>
>
> I do
>
> remember Arthur [Godfrey] resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD
>
voice after
>
> his son had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.
>
>
Aren't you confusing Godfrey with Art Linkletter? He's the one I recall
>
stumping against LSD (and it was his daughter who died).
Jym
You are
right about Linklatter and the acid thing.
Godfrey still seems
to me
an extremely unlikley interviewer of beats.
J.
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I can corroborate. The documentary film from '83 has the man
himself
saying that he "never saw a dime" from the adding machine.
I[I]I pdurgin@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu I[I]I
On Wed,
1 Oct 1997, MATT HANNAN wrote:
>
<snip>
>
And JJ claims that Burroughs was "heir to the Burroughs
> family
millions" or something like that, from the adding
>
machine stuff, but I thought that he actually only had a
>
fairly low allowance.
>
Which is right?
> <no more snip>
>
> Most bio-info I've read says he got a
meager stipend from the family's
> greenhouse business and nothing
more....can anyone corroborate this?
>
> love and lilies,
>
> matt
>
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On Tue,
30 Sep 1997, James Stauffer wrote:
> I
do remember Arthur resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD voice
>
after his son had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.
Kind of
like Art Linkletter's daughter jumping out a window? AL then became
an
anti-LSD evangelist ("LSD will make you think you can fly!") but
later
admitted
that her suicide didn't have anything to do with LSD & he was
looking
for something to blame it on...
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Zach--
>
for those of you who don't know, i've been running the burroughs.net site,
> in
its various incarnations, for near 3 years now. At current writing, the
>
site is down, and i'm busy restructuring and redesigning it. I thought i'd
>
take this opportunity to get some feedback/suggestions from you all here on
>
the list. What would you like to see on this site? what would be useful or
>
informative to you? I've got some good ideas that i'll reveal closer to
>
launch of the new site, but i'm also curious...
I
enjoyed your site, especially the cutup machine. The analysis of _Naked
Lunch_
was also valuable -- more of this kind of thing would be welcome. So
the
texts and their subsequent analysis, as well as technical
implementations
of various WSB literary devices. That would greatly interest
me. Are
you running your server on a Unix box? I think a simple cgi front
end to
the "an" program, coupled with a large user dictionary, would be a
very
cool addition to you cutup machine.
You
might also want to consider hooking up with Izzy (attached post below).
This is
a hardcore group of Johnsons, mainly in Europe, who are interested
in
serious study of WSB's literary techniques, theories and works, and
implementing
these ideas in new ways -- as you can see from this post the
idea of
an "Interzone Academy" has even been considered. When I first read
this I
immediately thought of your site, which had so much fine work on it
and was
very well designed. burroughs.net as some kind of central cyberian
resource
zone for all of these studies is what comes to mind.
just my
thoughts,
m
email
stutz@dsl.org Copyright (c) 1997
Michael Stutz; this information is
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To:
"'Isabelle Baudron'" <baudron@interpc;fr;;;;;;;>
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September 28 th 1997
Dear
friends,
One
month and a half after the beginning of
this
adventure,
around
120 people asked for being kept in touch or
participating. I also send this report to 20 people,
who did
not keep in touch after getting the machine, in
case
they would be interested
in the
following, as a test : but in case anybody does not
want to
be involved anymore, please tell me, and I shall
take
you our of the address book.
>From
all the propositions and subjects of interests, we
have
several groups :
1. WEB
SITE:
Most of
people think we need a web site to publish our
texts,
the news concerning the activities of the group,
etc. So
do I. Some people have already begun to work at it.
You can
see the first results at :
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gary.leeming/index.htm
linked
with
http://www.netcom.com/~foe4foe (click to drop) and listen
to
their house freaks:
circa
1944(click to squeak)
Gary is taking the site in charge. You can
contact
him at
<gary.leeming@ukonline.co.uk>
We can
also use the site to make a magazine, every 3 month
for
instance. Some people are volunteers for working in it.
For those who are not used to make web pages,
as I was 3
days
ago, it is quite simple to make with the computer
itself
which contains the elements to make it : it took me
an
afternoon using the help included in the computer to
learn
to make it.
2.
MUSICIANS AND PERFORMERS:
Tom
Matthews proposed to take in charge this group, to
gather
archives, recordings,
audio
and video-tapes, etc., and to find ways to sell,
exchange,
etc., them. You can join him at:
<
tmathews@MicroAge-tb.com>
Tom
proposes to print tee shirts and sell them.
3.
DREAMACHINE:
Tom is
also working on a computer-based version of the
dreamachine
(using glasses and a cable attached to a
computer's
printer port and has also home built sound
manipulation hardwares.
Some
other people have been doing other experiments and
devices
to bring alpha state. We might gather
all these
informations,
plus the ones we already got, on a web
site.
4.
POETS, WRITERS :
Some
people have begun to send texts to include in the book
"Le
temps des Naguals" I have already
written, and which
contains
interviews and texts of and about Burroughs and
Gysin.
I have recorded all the writings sent in a second
part.
For
those who would like to see their texts published in
the
site, I can make a web page, but you can also make it,
which
would be more personal, so every text could be as
well an
art work made by its author. What do you think?
5.
CONTACTS:
Some
people would like to be in touch and have exchanges
with
other members.
For
establishing contacts, we have different possibilities:
a) I can make an address book with the names,
E-mails
addresses,
and main subjects of interest of people who want
to have
contacts: for instance :
Isabelle
Baudron - baudron@interpc.fr - Dreams third mind,
web-site,
and exchanges.
So
everyone wanting to be in the address book can sends me
this,
and I include it in a special address book that I
shall
send by E-mail to each sender, so it will remain
limited
to its members, to preserve privacy.
b) We can have a chat-room on ICQ for
direct contacts. As
there
are members in US, most of countries of Europe and
Australia,
it should be possible to get in touch with
someone
at any time of day and night. I got a page there
UIN
#3146693, where you can also join me. But I have no
experience
of chat room, so if you want to contact me
through
it, do not
be
astonished if it takes some times.
c) We can make a Newsletter, and
spread it by E-mail.
d) We can use the web site for
exchanges and contacts.
e) Some people have been making groups
of E-mail
exchanges.
Some who wrote in the Memorial have also
established
their own contacts and groups. In case you
think
the result of your exchanges might be valuable for
others
and would like to see them published, we can also
include
them in the book, with or without your coordinates,
and
after you have checked their content.
6.
SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL RESEARCH:
Some
people are interested in research in precise domains:
apomorphine,
new treatments for quieting anxious people,
for
cancer, addiction, etc.
I am a
psychiatric nurse, having stopped working after 15
years
in a public hospital. I am interested in making
medical
research in the domains of expansion of conscience,
treatments
of addiction (I have the protocol of apomorphine
cure
written by Ian Somerville if you want), cancers, any
treatment
allowing to strengthen the defenses of organism,
and a
new approach of death.
I
propose we use the opportunity of our group to gather
informations
in those domains, or others you might have in
mind,
and make a group of research with doctors, nurses and
therapists
of the group, plus all the people interested. I
do not
intend to work in a hospital anymore, but if my
experience
can be of any use in the context of this group,
it is
at your disposal.
7.
BURROUGHSIAN CONCEPTS AND DOMAINS OF RESEARCH:
Some
would like to work on specific themes as third-mind,
evil
spirit, control, magic, sex, dreams, synchronicities,
etc.
Some
have begun exchanges on those domains.
Several
people have been sending dreams, some write them
down
and would be interested in a group of research about
it. I have been noting them since 1981 and am
also
interesting
in a common work and exchanges.
Several
people have been making dreams about Burroughs. It
might
be interesting to gather them and see what comes out
of it,
and what they can teach us on Burroughs influence on
this
part of our life. This might be included in the book
or in
the magazine as well.
Here it
does not seem very realistic to make groups by
subjects,
because they are all bound, and we generally jump
from
one to the other.
But it
seems very valuable to share our respective
experiments
about them, as it
allows
to go further, and to realise that
experience
of the others often confirms and
completes
ours, which is quite reassuring
in
these areas.
8. THE
ACADEMY:
The
idea of making an Academy in a castle, big house, etc.,
is part
of the dreams of quite a lot of people. But it
implies
practical problems due to a static place which may
not be
adapted to our Cyber experiment, and require
spending
money to go to the place, etc.
To me
the main interest for such a place would
be, besides
the
Academy which can also be settled on the web, to have a
place
where we could meet, and which could be a temporary
shelter
for the members of the group who need it, sort of
an
Interzone we can come to for making a break out of the
daily
context.
We
could also use it to make applied research, "in vivo",
which
is
not
possible in Cyber-space.
Anyway
for the moment this is not the most urgent thing. We
can
begin to use the tools we already got at our disposal.
In case
an opportunity comes, then I propose we study it
together.
But spending time and energy in looking for it
now
does not seem adapted for the moment
9. THE
NAME OF OUR GROUP :
Here
are the first propositions:
-
Tarzan Society
- Ah
Pook Academy
-
Junkshakes
- The
People's Republic of Interzone
- Grey
Johnson or Endless Johnson Family or Dead Johnsons
Incorporated
-
Invisible Corp
- Beat
Hotel
- Room
23
- Third
Mind Corporation
-
Interzone
- Nova
Express
- El
Hombre Invisible
10. LANGUAGES:
For the
moment we cover the following languages: English,
French,
Spanish, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Slovak,
Sweedish,
Portuguese, Italian, Greek, Chinese, Japanese.
We
might use all this knowledge for translations of our
writings,
or Burroughs' and Gysin's books, which have not
been
translated in some languages. We can make translation
groups,
which allows getting to a quick and good result.
Some
people from different countries who have a personal
web
site could make pages about the group
in their
language,
link them together, and to our site.
So this is a set of opportunities we got
altogether,
enough
to begin to work for the moment.
I hope
you enjoy it.
Thanks
again for your concern, propositions and
participation.
Love to
all.
Izzy
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"Introduce one unforeseen and
therefore unforeseeable
factor
and the whole
structure
collapses like a house of cards."
W.S. Burroughs
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2 of
you sent messages to spread. Here they are :
>something
to think about.......
>
>--------------
>America's
Most Wanted did a profile on Saturday 7/26/97 of
Andrew
Cunnanan.
>
You probably know Cunnanan as the serial murderer who
killed
Gianni Versace
>and
a number of gay men while posing as a male prostitute
in New
York City.
>
AMW had the following to say:
>
> "We were concerned because he crossed
the line from
killing
gay people. . .to killing innocent bystanders."
> -- John Walsh, host of America's
Most Wanted
7/26/97
>
>Apparently
America's Most Wanted feels it is forgivable to
kill
homosexuals, as long as one doesn't kill any
"innocent"
people as well.
They need to hear
>our
thoughts. Please send your comments and
all feedback
to
America's Most Wanted at the following address:
>
> feedback@amw.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
please
forward:
Protest
the destruction of Ruigoord - send faxes, e-mails
and
letters of protest to the Amsterdam harbour company and
the
City of
Amsterdam.
RUIGOORD
is situated in west of The Netherlands near
the
Northsea,
just over the border of Amsterdam.
As the city of Amsterdam was expanding with
the the
economic
boom of the
sixties, it began to buy huge stretches of
land in
neighbouring
communities to turn them in industrial
areas and suburbs
-including
the tiny former island of Ruigoord,
some 8
miles
West of the
city.
On this island, in the middle of a fertile,
one century
old
polder (once part of a vast inland sea),
there was a
village
of some
600
people, with a church, a school and
several shops.
In the early seventies many inhabitants
were moved to
modern
suburbs and their houses knocked down.
At the same
time
the meadows
and
fields around were raised three to six
meters by
spouting
sea,
sand on
them. A war could hardly have been more
destructive
to the
landscape.
However, the expected economic
expansion came
to a
halt and the
huge
stretches of land around Ruigoord were
slowly turning
into a
wilderness.
When some artists discoverd the village,
only a few
houses
and the church were left.
Some villagers had refused to leave and
were happy to
get
reinforcement.
After a short physical and a much longer
political
struggle,
the remains of the village were left in peace,
for the
time being.
Empty
houses were taken by adventurous
artists, who moved
in from
the
surrounding
cities.
The church became a festival hall and the
native
families
slowly adjusted themselves to the new
bohemian
population.
All
this
happened some 25 years ago.
This village has been under fire since
then. In the
beginning
of the 70ties Amsterdam thought it
needed a new
harbour,
the Afrikahaven, and evicted the small village;
a group of
artists
and hippies squatted the village and is
living
there
since.
Several times procedures were started to start
digging for
the
harbour
but at the moment it really gets
started. In spite
of
critics
from the population, asking for a
referendum (they
did not
get
it),
the Amsterdam government goes on with
this claiming
it will
give
lots of jobs and help the Amsterdam economy. This is
disputable.
Ruigoord and surrounding became a lively community
for
people
and
nature,
quite some rare animals and plants are
living around the
hills
and meadows of the village. The
Afrikahaven will
pose a
severe
threat to the environment.
there are strong indications that the
objective is to
dump
contaminated heavily soil under the new harbour sites.
You can actually visit the action camp. A
new group,
calling
themselves
GroenFront (a dutch division of radical
EarthFirst!)
promise
spectacular peaceful actions.
Email address of GroenFront Ruigoord:
ruigoord@hotmail.com
Please note: The action camp is not
organised by the
existing
Ruigoord
Community.
The Ruigoord community has a nice website
(in dutch)
describing
the history, nature and political
situation.
Visit:
www.ruigoord.com
(includes photos). Email address:
ruigoord@euronet.nl
Other website with information about
Ruigoord:
http://www.globalsurprise.nl/bgruigoord.html
A mailinglist has been set up about
Ruigoord, you can
subscribe
at
http://www.oudenaarden.nl/lists/ruigoord.html
GroenFront! occupies nature
area
Yesterday, GroenFront! sat up camp in the
nature area
near
Ruigoord village. Demonstrators wish to
impede
construction
of
the
Africahaven. Municipal excavation works are
in progress
at the
site
for the new harbour.
(Source: Nieuws van de Dag, 5 August 1997)
Please
direct protest letters, faxes and e-mails to:
Port Management of Amsterdam
De Ruyterkade 7
Postbus 19406
1000 GK AMSTERDAM
The
Netherlands
Tel. +31 20 5238600
Fax. +31 20 6209821
info@portofamsterdam.com
and/or
to:
City of Amsterdam
City Hall
Amstel 1
1011 PN Amsterdam
Telephone +31 20 552 9111
Text-Telephone +31 20 620 9279
Facsimile +31 20 552 3426
P.O. Box 202
1000 AE Amsterdam
E-mail: vlc@veb.amsterdam.nl
or use the form at
http://www.amsterdam.nl/email.html
Reversal
Action - Sunday 24th August:
Come with many people, bring shovels and
drums!
Take
bus 82 (direction IJmuiden) from Amsterdam Sloterdijk
to
busstop Ruigoord. Meet at the church at 14.00.
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dear
friends,
in his
latest writing "after me the deluge" was 1969 (?)
Jack
Kerouac affirmed that Heidegger's thought is a gem.
"Why
does exist the things instead of nothing?" and
Jack
Keroauc
thought about the existence an
admiring look at
Martin Heidegger.
which God does the atheist beg?
God names are always hopeless
what's the matter?
a stork! a stork!
a knot of people
nose around the sky!
a stork flew in the autumn sky
---
Rinaldo.
1th oct
97
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Haven't
received any mail since yesterday and was wondering if its just
me.
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
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Alex,
haven't gotten any Beat-l stuff since yesterday either. guess
everyone's
busy....
ciao,
sherri
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=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPzk7MxsoQg==?=
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singoff
BEAT-L
$B?9;3 (B
moriyama
kazufumi (Tokyo, Japan) $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (B
E-mail:
moriyama@kt.rim.or.jp
http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~moriyama/
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: DHARMA beat!!!
I just
got my Fall 1997 issue of DHARMA beat in the mail and want to tell all
of you
who are NOT so fortunate that you're missing something great (and I'm
not
just saying that because Attila published something by me in there... hee
hee
hee).
This
issue is a broad overview of On The Road from a variety of perspectives.
It's
both thoughtful and comprehensive, and also very cool.
If you
don't subscribe (and why the hell don't you? what's wrong with you?
don't
you support The Arts?), you can do so by emailing your request to
Attilla
Gyenis at Kerouaczin@AOL.com. As a former magazine and newspaper
publisher
who blazed the trail for two desirable markets in my old community,
only to
fold and go into debt for lack of commercial support, I speak from
the
heart when I say DON'T WAIT to subscribe to DHARMA beat.
And no,
I don't get a piece of the action. In fact, I am a former slacker who
must
have been told about DHARMA beat by at least half-a-dozen people before
I
finally subscribed. I subsequently bought all the back issues, too, so I
could
have an entire collection.
By the
way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd
created
a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough room
in the
mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write
me here,
or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of good
ones,
and some are really obscure and strange.
But
forget about that for right now. Get your copy of DHARMA beat while you
still
can. Support your local starving Hungarian artist!
diane
de rooy
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:59:04 EDT
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I'm
sure you can also pick up Dharma Beat at the book fair in Lowell on Saturda
y. Hope to see some of you wearing your beat-l
shirts.
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moriyama@kt.rim.or.jp
wrote:
>singoff
BEAT-L
Ok, here goes:
Hello BEAT-L my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
about Jack's vision softly creeping
that came to him while he was typing
and the vision...that was planted in my
brain
still remains
within his books...of visions
'neath the halo of my monitor-light
I turn my collar to the spam and hack
and my eyes are stamped
by the flash of a RACEy poem
that fits Beat meter
and harkens the sound...of YouGotMail
and in the Naked light (Lunch) I saw
277 people, maybe more
they were typing without speaking
they were reading without listening
they were replying to messages
that voices never hear.........
Oh......signoff.....I thought you said
"Sing Of"......sorry.
love and lilies (and apologies to Paul
and Art),
matt
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I've
never heard of DHARMA beat - what is it all about? Buddhism and the
Beat
Generation? How much does it cost?
Jon
At
03:28 PM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I
just got my Fall 1997 issue of DHARMA beat in the mail and want to tell all
>of
you who are NOT so fortunate that you're missing something great (and I'm
>not
just saying that because Attila published something by me in there... hee
>hee
hee).
>
>This
issue is a broad overview of On The Road from a variety of perspectives.
>It's
both thoughtful and comprehensive, and also very cool.
>
>If
you don't subscribe (and why the hell don't you? what's wrong with you?
>don't
you support The Arts?), you can do so by emailing your request to
>Attilla
Gyenis at Kerouaczin@AOL.com. As a former magazine and newspaper
>publisher
who blazed the trail for two desirable markets in my old community,
>only
to fold and go into debt for lack of commercial support, I speak from
>the
heart when I say DON'T WAIT to subscribe to DHARMA beat.
>
>And
no, I don't get a piece of the action. In fact, I am a former slacker who
>must
have been told about DHARMA beat by at least half-a-dozen people before
>I
finally subscribed. I subsequently bought all the back issues, too, so I
>could
have an entire collection.
>
>By
the way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd
>created
a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough room
>in
the mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write
>me
here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of good
>ones,
and some are really obscure and strange.
>
>But
forget about that for right now. Get your copy of DHARMA beat while you
>still
can. Support your local starving Hungarian artist!
>
>diane
de rooy
>
>
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From: Leon Tabory
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Subject: Re: DHARMA beat!!!
Hello Diane -
----
snip,
snip
>If
anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write
>me
here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list.
Please.
>There
are a bunch of good
>ones,
and some are really obscure and strange.
>
>But
forget about that for right now.
O.K. if
that's what you ask me to do, but not for long, o.k? Thanks for
reminding
me about the other point also.
leon
Get your copy of DHARMA beat while you
>still
can. Support your local starving Hungarian artist!
>
>diane
de rooy
>.-
>
>
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From: Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM>
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by all
means Diane- send that url list!
I think
i've seen most of the bigger sites- but who knows what treasure
lies in
them thar hills of the internet!
also-
(forgive me if this has recently been a topic- I've been away from
the
list for several months) i'm trying to find some of the music that
accompanied
Kerouac on his spoken word recordings. I'd appreciate anyones
input
on the matter, and suggestions for which one's I HAVE to get.
Thanks!
Bob
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:56:31 -0400
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From: "Diane M. Homza"
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Subject: Re: <no subject>
Reply
to message from MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG of Thu, 02 Oct
>
I was
waving my lighter in the air while reading....
:)
Diane.
(H)
>moriyama@kt.rim.or.jp
wrote:
>
>>singoff
BEAT-L
>
> Ok, here goes:
>
>
> Hello BEAT-L my old friend
> I've come to talk with you again
> about Jack's vision softly creeping
> that came to him while he was typing
> and the vision...that was planted in my
brain
> still remains
> within his books...of visions
>
> 'neath the halo of my monitor-light
> I turn my collar to the spam and hack
> and my eyes are stamped
> by the flash of a RACEy poem
> that fits Beat meter
> and harkens the sound...of YouGotMail
>
> and in the Naked light (Lunch) I saw
> 277 people, maybe more
> they were typing without speaking
> they were reading without listening
> they were replying to messages
> that voices never hear.........
>
> Oh......signoff.....I thought you said
"Sing Of"......sorry.
>
> love and lilies (and apologies to Paul
and Art),
>
> matt
>
>
--
I
should have loved a thunderbird instead. --Sylvia Plath
Diane
M. Homza
ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
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GOD BLESS
THE CHEER
FUL GIVER
I HAVE NO
OTHER INC
OME I WIS
H YOU GOO
D LUCK TH
ANK YOU
I need money
to be
an artist
(not
in
conjunction
with
la biennale
arte)
thursday morning fog
the fox
knows many
things
she (the fox) told
WATER FOR DOGS!
i
PHONED HIM
last night
but he (the dog) was
DRUNK
CLUMSY DOG!
i need money
i need money
to be but he was drunk.
---
Rinaldo
2th oct
97
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On Thu,
2 Oct 1997, Diane De Rooy wrote:
> By
the way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd
>
created a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough room
> in
the mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write
> me
here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of good
>
ones, and some are really obscure and strange.
>
diane.
i'd love to see your complete list. if it wouldn't be too much of a
bother,
would you post them to the list?? please... :)
e.
jennifer
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At
04:25 PM 10/2/97 EDT, you wrote:
>by
all means Diane- send that url list!
>I
think i've seen most of the bigger sites- but who knows what treasure
>lies
in them thar hills of the internet!
>also-
(forgive me if this has recently been a topic- I've been away from
>the
list for several months) i'm trying to find some of the music that
>accompanied
Kerouac on his spoken word recordings. I'd appreciate anyones
>input
on the matter, and suggestions for which one's I HAVE to get.
>Thanks!
>Bob
>
Jk made
three albums in the late 50s that I have - they come in a box set
put out
by Rhino/World Beat. The first one has
JK accompanied by Steve
Allen. the second has Al Cohn and Zoot Sims. The third has no
accompaniement. These are the only albums I knew of. If anyone else knows
of any
more - please post them to the list.
Jon
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At
04:49 PM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At
04:25 PM 10/2/97 EDT, you wrote:
>>by
all means Diane- send that url list!
>>I
think i've seen most of the bigger sites- but who knows what treasure
>>lies
in them thar hills of the internet!
>>also-
(forgive me if this has recently been a topic- I've been away from
>>the
list for several months) i'm trying to find some of the music that
>>accompanied
Kerouac on his spoken word recordings. I'd appreciate anyones
>>input
on the matter, and suggestions for which one's I HAVE to get.
>>Thanks!
>>Bob
>>
>Jk
made three albums in the late 50s that I have - they come in a box set
>put
out by Rhino/World Beat. The first one
has JK accompanied by Steve
>Allen. the second has Al Cohn and Zoot Sims. The third has no
>accompaniement. These are the only albums I knew of. If anyone else knows
>of
any more - please post them to the list.
>
>Jon
>
John's
info was good. I'd add that if you are
looking for the music that
accompanies
the words you won't find it except with the words.
The
Blues and Haikus was a session. The
music was original. In Blues and
Haikus
Kerouac would say a haiku and the musicians would amswer with a riff.
I don't
think you're going to find the music anywhere else but on these
records. Same with Steve Allen. I think it was somewhat spontaneous.
I have
seen that www.amazon.com the Amazon internet bookstore sells the 3 CD
(or 4
cassette) collection. I think it's
about 40 bucks.
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Euhyun
Jennifer Chun wrote:
>
> On
Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Diane De Rooy wrote:
>
>
> By the way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd
>
> created a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough
room
>
> in the mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites,
write
>
> me here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of
good
>
> ones, and some are really obscure and strange.
>
>
>
diane. i'd love to see your complete list. if it wouldn't be too much of a
>
bother, would you post them to the list?? please... :)
>
> e.
jennifer
Yes
send me the list...
eastwind@erols.com
thanking
u now.
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To
Beat-L websurfers:
Here's
the list of URLs I assembled for the DHARMA beat story. It's far f=
rom
complete,
and I didn't intend to "rate" them. If you know of others I mis=
sed,
please
feel free to send them to me for my edification.
Happy
browsing...
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
There
are a few glaring omissions on this list: Ryko Records for Kicks/et=
c,
Mind in
Motion ROMnibus, Levi's tribute site to AG from the beatlist and
elsewhere,
the Blacklisted Journalist and others I can't remember right n=
ow.
My
links are misplaced or something... just ran out of gas making them.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
COMPASS
POINTS ON THE cyberROAD
"Route
66 can be read in two directions. First stop on this page : Jack
Kerouac
and the 'Beat Generation', a coast to coast trip down the legenda=
ry
highway,
in the footsteps of the beatniks. A page of history. Second stop=
:
Jack
Kerouac and the 'Byte Generation', where we take a virtual stroll,
seeking
memories of Route 66 in the Web universe. Or when the mouse repla=
ces
the
car... " --From the intro to
"Jack Kerouac and the "Beat Generation"
home
page
EVENTS
LCKerouac
Festival Page =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/lckerouac/festival.htm">http://members.=
aol.com
/lckerouac/festival.htm</A>
SITES
WITH LINKS
Literary
Kicks =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.charm.net/%7Ebrooklyn/LitKicks.html">http://www.cha=
rm.net/
%7Ebrooklyn/LitKicks.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The
Unofficial WSB website =3D
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.peg.apc.org/~firehorse/wsb/wsb.html">http://www.peg=
.apc.or
g/~firehorse/wsb/wsb.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The
Wild Bohemian Home Page =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.halcyon.com/colinp/bohemian.htm">http://www.halcyon=
.com/co
linp/bohemian.htm</A>
"Included
here are links to pages about Hippies, the Beat Generation, the
Grateful
Dead and other Bohemian bands, outlaw bikers (including the Hell=
s
Angels),
all the way back to... Diogenes and the Cynics. --Colin Pringle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Ignition
- On the Road in CyberSpace =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.the-wire.com/newjon/what.html">http://www.the-wire.=
com/new
jon/what.html</A>
"I=92m
Jon Newton, a writer living in Toronto, Canada. CyberSpace ...is a=
Black
Hole to
most people who aren=92t online so why not write a kind of CyberS=
pace
On the
Road, after Jack Kerouac?"
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cassady's
Home Page =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5160">http://www.geocities.com/S=
oHo/516
0</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The
William S. Burroughs Files =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.hyperreal.com/wsb/">http://www.hyperreal.com/wsb/</=
A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
burroughs
=3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.peg.apc.org/~firehorse/wsb/wsb.html">http://www.peg=
.apc.or
g/~firehorse/wsb/wsb.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
BohemianInk
=3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.levity.com/corduroy/index.htm">http://www.levity.co=
m/cordu
roy/index.htm</A>=20
Special
mention goes to this site for its incredible focus on the art it
promotes,
rather than the personalities who created it.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Jack
Kerouac and the "Beat Generation" =3D
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.virgin.fr/virgin/html/us/nostalgia/route66/beat_gen=
eration
.html">http://www.virgin.fr/virgin/html/us/nostalgia/route66/beat_generat=
ion.h
tml</A>
Weird,
fascinating, filled with inaccuracies, but worth visiting nonethel=
ess,
if only
to experience a French point of view on Jean Louis Kirouac.
PUBLISHERS
BookZen
=3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.bookzen.com">http://www.bookzen.com</A>
WRITING/EDUCATION
Kerouac,
Spontaneous Prose =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/kerouac-spontaneous.=
html">h
ttp://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/kerouac-spontaneous.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
English
320W-02: The Beat Generation =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/kerouac-spontaneous.=
html">h
ttp://www.mnsfld.edu/~julrich/beatweb.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The
Writer's Gallery =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.onestep.com/writers/short/gallaher/short.html">http=
://www.
onestep.com/writers/short/gallaher/short.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Ball's
Beat Generation =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.vmi.edu/%7Eenglish/beats.html">http://www.vmi.edu/%=
7Eengli
sh/beats.html</A>
Perhaps
the most unlikely source for Beat links: Home page features Virgi=
nia
Military
Institute cadets in uniform. "Intended Primarily for Students of=
EN
365
This page contains links to multifaceted webs devoted to Kerouac,
Ginsberg,
Burroughs, and other major figures of the Beat Generation."
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.mnsfld.edu/~julrich/beatweb.html">http://www.mnsfld=
.edu/~j
ulrich/beatweb.html</A>
Welcome
to the Internet Resources Page for English 320W-02: The Beat
Generation
Mansfield
University of Pennsylvania=20
CHAT
beat
generation private chatroom =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.onestep.com/writers/short/gallaher/short.html">aol:=
//2719:
2-2-beat%20generation</A>
TRIBUTES
Charles
Plymell =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.buchenroth.com/cplymell.html">http://www.buchenroth=
.com/cp
lymell.html</A>
FANTASY
1996
Dharma Beats Roster =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.clark.net/pub/cosmic/96dbr.html">http://www.clark.n=
et/pub/
cosmic/96dbr.html</A>
"Kerouac
managing veterans like Ginsberg and Huncke, along with rookies l=
ike
Kurt
Cobain."=20
MAGAZINES
Steve
Silberman's How Beat was born =3D
<A
HREF=3D"http://ezone.org/ez/e2/articles/digaman.html">http://ezone.org=
/ez/e2/
articles/digaman.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
Shambhala
Sun Home Page =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.shambhalasun.com/">http://www.shambhalasun.com/</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
Allen
Ginsberg =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.talk.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/96-12-16-gin=
sberg.h
tml">http://www.talk.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/96-12-16-ginsberg.=
html<
/A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
WIRED
magazine =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://wwww.wired.com/wired/">http://wwww.wired.com/wired/</A>
BOOKSTORES
1 800
KEROUAC - Beat Generation Catalog =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.kerouac.com/">http://www.kerouac.com/</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
Jack
Kerouac at the Iliad =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://host.interloc.com/%7Eiliadbks/kerouac.html">http://host=
.interl
oc.com/%7Eiliadbks/kerouac.html</A>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
About
Allen Ginsberg =3D Open Book Systems
<A
HREF=3D"http://www.obs-europa.de/obs/english/books/ginsberg/ata.htm">h=
ttp://w
ww.obs-europa.de/obs/english/books/ginsberg/ata.htm</A>
SOUNDS
Kerouac
Speaks =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html">=
http://
www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html</A>
NEWSGROUPS
<A
HREF=3D"Beat-L@listserv.cuny.edu">Beat-L@listserv.cuny.edu</A>
alt.books.beatgeneration
=3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"aol://5863:126/alt.books.beatgeneration">aol://5863:126/alt.bo=
oks.bea
tgeneration</A>
MUSIC/MULTIMEDIA
Rhino
Records - Catalog - Kerouac, Jack =3D <A HREF=3D"http://rhino.com/s=
earch/art
info.cfm?name=3DKEROUAC,+JACK">http://rhino.com/search/artinfo.cfm?name=3D=
KEROUAC,
+JACK</A>
VERVE
Celebrates Charlie Parker =3D <A HREF=3D"http://www.jazzonln.com/JA=
ZZ/LABELS
/VERVE2/birdhome.htm">http://www.jazzonln.com/JAZZ/LABELS/VERVE2/birdhome=
.htm<
/A>
Sean
Singer's Jazz Literature Page =3D=20
<A
HREF=3D"http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/%7Essinger/">http://ezinfo.ucs.i=
ndiana.
edu/%7Essinger/</A>
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: the early Bukowski.
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To:
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Subject:
Re: the early Bukowski.
Date:
Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:39:53 -0400
Matthew
Murray writes:
The
word "beat" as coined by Jack can be looked at not so much as a time
or
situation
dependent literary genre, but an artistic and spiritual attitude.
"Beat"
aka cashed, worn out, tired, not so much the hipster thing. If
Charles
Bukowski was not "beat" then I don't know who is, but Bukowski
himself
sneered at being classified with those folks.
He was indifferent
when he
met Bill Burroughs, and always sighed when young hipsters would tell
him how
much they dug his "shit,man" within the context of beat authoring.
The
bottom line is that these folks were both damn good writers and they
both
strained the hell out of their livers.
-*-
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From: R&R Houff
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Subject: THE BLUES NEVER DIE
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I'm
back in business.
Richard
Houff
Pariah
Press
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:34:28 -0400
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: DHARMA beat
Comments:
cc: MessrHat@aol.com
DHARMA
beat is a newszine (newsletter) that is published twice a year about
Kerouac's
life and writing. Issue 9 (Fall 1997) was just published. Now in
its
fifth year, we publish information of interest about Kerouac events and
happenings
around the world. The most recent issue has articles about Kerouac
in
Orlando, an article about the recent discovery of a On The Road recording
by Jack
(the only professional recording of Jack reading On the Road?) that
will be
released on Geffen records in the sometime future, and a listing a
Kerouac
and beat related stuff and publications.
DHARMA
beat is published twice a year, spring and fall. Subscriptions are
$7.00
per year (two issues, make checks payable to DHARMA beat or cash), $10
to
Canada and overseas (payable in US dollars). Sample copies are available
for
$3.00. Mail to DHARMA beat, PO BOX 1753, Lowell MA, 01853-1753. Since I
only
get the mail sporadically, it may be a little while before you get your
request
mailed. For more information e mail to KEROUACZIN@AOL.COM and there
is a
homepage that has a link to a Kerouac calender that I hopefully will
keep
updated at <A
HREF="http://members.aol.com/kerouaczin/dharmabeat.html">ht
tp://members.aol.com/kerouaczin/dharmabeat.html</A>
Recent
Kerouac events:
Ongoing:
Kerouac
- A Musical based on the life of Jack Kerouac: Theatre East, 211 East
60th
Street, New York, NY, (212) 838-8528. A musical about the life of
Kerouac
offered in a cabaret setting. Tickets are $30,
includes two drinks.
Kerouac:
The Essence of Jack, A jazz play by Vincent Balestri - Velvet Elvis
Arts
Lounge Theatre, 107 Occidental, Seattle, (206) 624-8477 ($17-20). A
one-person
show, backed with a saxophonist or trio, depending on the day, is
a two
part play that starts off with Balestri (Kerouac) saying that he will
take
you through the publication of On the Road, "Then we'll have an
intermission,
and when we come back, you can ask me some questions and then I
die."
(may close soon so call)
Other
Kerouac Stuff
September
24 Wednesday
St. Marks
Poetry Project
Celebration
of Kerouac's On the Road Marathon Reading
September
17- 27, 1997
"Beat
Generation" At Meer dan Woorden "More Than Words" Festival In
Holland
October
2 - 5
Lowell
Celebrates Kerouac
It is
going on the weekend, a great time to see the town, you can see the
city,
New York that is, later.
October
20 Monday
Jack
Kerouac Reading
Penny
Lane, 18th & Pearl, Boulder, CO, call (303) 444-7111 to confirm
October
25 Saturday 8pm.
"Visions
of Kerouac: The Great Rememberer", at Willits Playhouse at
(707)459-2281
or Carlords Poetry at (707)459-6759
We are
always looking for articles and information about Kerouac or any
Kerouac
related event you may have (for example if you have a Kerouac Poetry
reading
celebrating his birth or passing) or anything related. Our main
purpose
is to let people know about what's going on.
If you have a story,
information,
or item of interest to Kerouac readers please let us know. We
need
the support of the Kerouac community to keep others aware of Kerouac
events.
DHARMA beat will do its best to spread the word.
thanks
and enjoy, Attila
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:14:53 -0700
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Hello,
As i just started to subscribe BEAT-L, and i
wonder the
multinationality
of this list.
I subscribed it before but i did't read any
letters from Turkey.Anyone
speaking
Turkish please contact with me.
i'd
introduce myself. i am student and interested reading beat
literature.i
am not an intellectual and don't really read too much
books.
Anyone wondering the last book published in
Turkish as a beat
literature is "The Cat Inside-W.S
Burroughs"August 1997.(i guess thats
the
third book of Burrougs published in Turkish.)
If i unterstood true, some people are talking
about "if Bukowski is a
Beat"....
BUKOWSKI is not a BEAT.BUKOWSKI IS GOD.(it is
my idea)
Anyway BYE,it is always nice to listen you.
Murat
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From: Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM>
Subject: bukowski as beat
ahhh,
the old question of is bukowski beat.
here's
my humble opinion.
i think
writers can have many "beat" characteristics. i bet if we put all
275
heads together on this list, we can name at least 25 writers who fit
the
description of "beat".
FOR
INSTANCE.... i've heard many people
around the beat lit circle refer
to walt
whitman as the original beat. but was
he a BEAT WRITER? i don't
think
many people would say yes. i think the beat generation is a group
of
writers who accepted the label- some begrudgingly, yes, but i think
the
most of them accepted it.
bukowski
doesn't want to be referred to as a beat writer as i understand
it.
well, maybe he's NOT. maybe he's "beat" in many ways, but not a beat
writer.
especially if he denies the label.
(side note- wasn't THE beat
writer
trying hard to shed that image, leading to a world of seclusion?)
i don't
think we should be concerned with whether or not bukowski is
beat.
let's just enjoy the work he has put out in a way we would enjoy
someone
like whitman's (not comparing the 2).
again
though, just a humble opinion.
bob
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Subject: Re: Trying To Get To Heaven Re: Bob
Dylan,
Standing In The Doorway.
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Hello
fellow Beat-L'ers,
I'm
currently the Internet Editor for B&A New Fiction, and
the
latest Net Editorial I've written is on Burroughs. It's
not
really an editorial but a fiction. It's also not really a
fiction,
but a fragmented narrative involving 17 quotations
from 10
books, two photographs, 3 paintings, and a couple of
concrete
poems that are all an integral part of the story. The
piece
is also a memorial/tribute, but it is more than that,
and
perhaps less.
In any
case, the lead in page is at
http://www.interlog.com/~fiction/netedit.html
and the
actual tribute is linked from there. I'll warn you
that it
is about 400K with all the images.
It was
writing this piece that has finally brought a sense of
closure.
I didn't burn anything, but created something with
Burroughs
as silent collaborator. We have different ways
of
dealing with grief, and this is how I dealt with mine.
It's
called "ghost-writing: a metempsychosis"
I invite
you all to read/view it, and I'd appreciate any
comments
or feedback.
Thanks,
Neil
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rinaldo,
my brother: are you sure i'm not you? or maybe i'm' the dog
mc
Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
> GOD BLESS
> THE CHEER
> FUL GIVER
> I HAVE NO
> OTHER INC
> OME I WIS
> H YOU GOO
> D LUCK TH
> ANK YOU
>
> I need money
> to be
> an artist
>
> (not
> in
> conjunction
> with
> la biennale
arte)
>
> thursday morning fog
> the fox
> knows many
things
> she (the fox) told
>
> WATER FOR DOGS!
>
> i
> PHONED HIM
> last night
>
> but he (the dog) was
> DRUNK
> CLUMSY DOG!
>
> i need money
> i need money
> to be but he was drunk.
>
>
---
>
Rinaldo
>
2th oct 97
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Despite
the fact that this answers to these questions are about as
likely
as solving the "how many angels are there on the head of a pin"
problem,
and about as important, the problem is fun.
Whitman
may be a "spiritual father" for some Beat writers but in a
vastly
different space and time. I can't
conceive of a serious argument
for his
place in any beat canon. If he had come back in the fifties and
seen
Beat I doubt if he would have recognized himself in it. Bukowski
and
certain others, Spicer especially, present a different problem.
They
share too many traits we think of as "Beat" to easily accept their
own
denials that they are Beat writers. I
think this points to their
fear of
getting sucked into A. Ginsberg's beat club and losing their
sense
of their individual specialness. All
these guys had strong ego's
and
Allan was such a charismatic PR man that he tended to dominate the
agenda. He also picked the writers he wanted to
promote, almost always
his old
cronies. It was easier for Bukowski to
avoid this label because
he was
out of the New York/San Francisco axis in LA.
For Spicer it was
harder. He drank in the same bars and hung out with
alot of of the SF
Beats. He just wanted to be his own guy, and his
poetry is in some ways
more
classical than the others, although Whalen reminds me of Spicer
sometimes.
Literary
history will ignore these fine divisions, however. Whether
this
group will always be labelled Beat or grouped under a wider label,
Bukowski
and Spicer will always find themselves in this company, like it
or not.
J.
Stauffer
Bob
Lewis wrote:
>
>
ahhh, the old question of is bukowski beat.
>
here's my humble opinion.
>
> i
think writers can have many "beat" characteristics. i bet if we put
all
>
275 heads together on this list, we can name at least 25 writers who fit
>
the description of "beat".
>
FOR INSTANCE.... i've heard many people
around the beat lit circle refer
> to
walt whitman as the original beat. but
was he a BEAT WRITER? i don't
>
think many people would say yes. i think the beat generation is a group
> of
writers who accepted the label- some begrudgingly, yes, but i think
>
the most of them accepted it.
>
bukowski doesn't want to be referred to as a beat writer as i understand
>
it. well, maybe he's NOT. maybe he's "beat" in many ways, but not a
beat
>
writer. especially if he denies the label.
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>I
have copies of the hardcover first edition of Kerouac's Selected Letters -
>as
new in dust jacket - and signed by editor Ann Charters.
>Available
to Beat-L members for $15.00 plus $1.50 shipping (USA)
>while
supply lasts. Foreign orders: shipping is $3.00.
>This
book originally published at $29.95 so that's a savings of almost 50%
>plus
these copies are signed....
>Thanks
_
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just
thought that i would let ya'll know that the Whole Earth Review #90
contains
Allen Ginsberg's (new?) "Mind Writing: Exercizes in POetic
Candor"
and "mindwriting slogans" as well as two cute sketches of him by
ken botto.
great pieces - great magazine (recently back on the shelves
after
months on non-publication due to lack of $. sigh)
yrs
derek
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
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Friendly
Advice to a Lot of Young Men by
Charles Bukowski
Go to
Tibet.
Ride a
camel.
Read
the bible.
Dye
your shoes blue.
Grow a
beard.
Circle
the world in paper canoe.
Subscribe
to The Saturday Evening Post.
Chew on
the left side of your mouth only.
Marry a
woman with one leg and shave with a
straight razor.
And
carve your name in her arm.
Brush
your teeth with gasoline.
Sleep
all day and climb trees at night.
Be a
monk and drink buckshot and beer.
Hold
your head under water and play violin.
Do a
belly dance before pink candles.
Kill
your dog.
Run for
Mayor.
Live in
a barrel.
Break
your head with a hatchet.
Plant
tulips in the rain.
but
don't write poetry.
---written
by henry charles bukowski---
not God
but for sure a poetry angel---if he told to us
---i'm
not a beat---or i'm not a poet---i'm Hunger---
like
Knut Hamsun---saluti a tutti da rinaldo---
At
10.12 03/10/97 EDT, Bob Lewis
<kokupokit@JUNO.COM> wrote:
>ahhh,
the old question of is bukowski beat.
>here's
my humble opinion.
>
>i
think writers can have many "beat" characteristics. i bet if we put
all
>275
heads together on this list, we can name at least 25 writers who fit
>the
description of "beat".
[snippin'
for brevity]
>bob
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From: Michael Skau
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Subject: Re: Beat interviews
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On Tue,
30 Sep 1997, Michael Stutz wrote:
>
Thanks everyone who helped me try and figure out who this mystery Arthur
>
interviewer is. I have to go back to the original tape again, and maybe I
>
will hear one of these names -- Arthurs Godfrey and Barlow, and Arnold
>
Beerbaum -- in the previously incomprehensible bit. (What was that, "You
>
can't learn anything you don't already know?")
>
Michael,
I
wonder if you could have had in mind Al Aronowitz, who wrote a series of
articles
called "The Beat Generation" for the _New York Post_ from March 9
to
March 22, 1959. He interviewed Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burroughs for his
articles
and included quotes from them.
Cordially,
Mike
Skau
10/3/97
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I'm
going to San Fransisco!! For the first time!
I will be making my trip
in
November (around thanksgiving) and was wondering if anyone had any
recommendations
for the places I *have* to visit. I
already plan on going
to City
Lights Books and seeing Jack Kerouac Street.
I'll also go to
Haight
and Ashbury. Where else should I
go? I've got 5 days to blow and
I'm
under 21, someone help me :)
Dana
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On Fri,
3 Oct 1997, Dana Lee Kober wrote:
>
I'm going to San Fransisco!! For the first time! I will be making my trip
> in
November (around thanksgiving) and was wondering if anyone had any
>
recommendations for the places I *have* to visit. I already plan on going
> to
City Lights Books and seeing Jack Kerouac Street. I'll also go to
>
Haight and Ashbury. Where else should I
go? I've got 5 days to blow and
>
I'm under 21, someone help me :)
>
>
Dana
Make
sure you get on highway ne and drive about an hour or two away
forsf..
or you'll kick yourself to hell. half moon bay is a great place..
it's
serene watchnig the 'surfers' go and do what they do.. I rented a
bike
when I was there nad just spent a weekend riding up the coast.. and
dont be
afraid to cross the bridge over to berkeley too :) heck.. make
that
first left when you get over the bridge.. its a neat little place.
.that
old civil war encampment. neat place to ply around in.. great view
of the
bay.. really pieceful/big cliff over the water you can just kinda
look
down and watch the waves crash against the rock.. Check out sfsu.. I
cant
rememebr which highway.. cuz I was going there from sunnyvale.. but
its a
great drive.. big wide open highways.. beautiful hills.. and your
sure to
find some kind of musical thing going on outsid.. in the campus by
the
library.. and well ya gotta check out the coffee shops @ stanford.. i
spent a
very entertaining evening at he coffee sops/bookshosp with a guy i
met
there (great guy. his nick's qua (i saw
an article about him in wired
so
looked him up).. look up qua! :) http://www.cs.olumbia.edu/~henry he's
a crazy
great guy obsessed with koala bears and
piggy back rides. of
course
there's city lights.. but on hyde stret there's ltos to do..
there's
this great outdoor bistro (accrossed the street from.. gez. im not
sure.
there's a bicycle shop aroudn thre.. but this outdoorrestaurant has
great
tea and the food was rather good too (I had grilled ahi.. first tie
I ever
had and it was amazing.. pricey too but that's sf).. take hyde sret
towards
the wate and get on (the name I cant rmemeber) the road with all
the
piers and go up/down therm.. lots of interesting things .. and.. well.
if you
take the big highway towards sunnyvale (the one by the airport..
you get
to the airport from there) from sf.. and go about 40 miles when
you get
into sunynvale.. you'll see a holliday inn "residence" (or maybe a
marriot
residence *shrug) on your right down that way is a big AMD
processor
factory *snore.. but on your left is a great northern/southern
indian
restauarant. great atmosphere and decent food (but you really dont
have to
go that far from sf to get to good food :) *grin* well there aer
most of
my tips for enjoying yourelf in sf.. oh and try the "tgi fridays"
on hyde
street (ys i really enjoye dthe little area by hyde street.. not
too far
from city lights I think.. but not sure cuz i was driving).. lots
of
people.. always there.. lots of yuippies but then you get your version
of the
californian average joe too .. it's all fun :)
and of
course go hang out in haight park
:) its like being in
manhattan..
always some cool kid.. runaway whatever. playing some kinda
instrument.. when youve got nowhere else to go
interesting go right down
there
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Go to
The Kerouac Quarterly Web Page for update at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
There
will be a comprehesive update after the weekend is over. I have a
brief
overview on the page of today's Beat Symposium. Thanks, Paul....
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>From:
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>To:
"Rinaldo Rasa" <rasa@gpnet.it>
>Subject:
Re: the early Bukowski.
>Date:
Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:39:53 -0400
>
>Matthew
Murray writes:
>The
word "beat" as coined by Jack can be looked at not so much as a time
or
>situation
dependent literary genre, but an artistic and spiritual attitude.
>"Beat"
aka cashed, worn out, tired, not so much the hipster thing. If
>Charles
Bukowski was not "beat" then I don't know who is, but Bukowski
>himself
sneered at being classified with those folks.
He was indifferent
>when
he met Bill Burroughs, and always sighed when young hipsters would tell
>him
how much they dug his "shit,man" within the context of beat
authoring.
>The
bottom line is that these folks were both damn good writers and they
>both
strained the hell out of their livers.
>
>-*-
Rinaldo,
Was
"Beat" coined by JK?
I
thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or Kaufmann
being
responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist
attributed
it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a bit
foggy
right now) says Hunke..
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From: "Jon B. Pearlstone"
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Subject: Re: Dana's request for SF Ideas
A few
spots worth checking out if your into authentic Beat areas:
1. The Town of Bolinas
2. Bolinas Beach
3. The areas around Mount Tam--near "mill
city" as described in OTR
4. The Beaches along the coast north of San
Francisco
5. Anywhere in Point Reyes National Seashore
All of
these are in or near Marin County--just north across the golden gate
bridge
from San Francisco--I moved here a year ago and there is so much to
see
(particularly if you're into outdoors stuff) you could never do it all.
Be sure
to check out all the small towns in Marin--Sausalito, Mill Valley,
etc. Lots of bike rental shops as this is the
home of mountain biking--great
way to
get around--also ask for maps--I recommend "the ramblers guide to
Mount
Tamalpais"
Could
be rainy this year in November--come prepared
Hope
that helps--
Jon
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At
09:16 PM 10/3/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>Return-Path:
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>>From:
"Matthew Murray" <morpheous@boone.net>
>>To:
"Rinaldo Rasa" <rasa@gpnet.it>
>>Subject:
Re: the early Bukowski.
>>Date:
Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:39:53 -0400
>>
>>Matthew
Murray writes:
>>The
word "beat" as coined by Jack can be looked at not so much as a time
or
>>situation
dependent literary genre, but an artistic and spiritual attitude.
>>"Beat"
aka cashed, worn out, tired, not so much the hipster thing. If
>>Charles
Bukowski was not "beat" then I don't know who is, but Bukowski
>>himself
sneered at being classified with those folks.
He was indifferent
>>when
he met Bill Burroughs, and always sighed when young hipsters would tell
>>him
how much they dug his "shit,man" within the context of beat
authoring.
>>The
bottom line is that these folks were both damn good writers and they
>>both
strained the hell out of their livers.
>>
>>-*-
>
>Rinaldo,
>
>Was
"Beat" coined by JK?
>
>I
thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or Kaufmann
>being
responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist
>attributed
it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a bit
>foggy
right now) says Hunke..
>
>j
grant
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>
He died
of cancer in the last year, at 81, 29 years
after
quitting smoking. Herb Caen was a
columnist for
the San
Francisco Chronicle since the 40s.
Mike
Rice
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j grant
writes:
>
>Was "Beat" coined by JK?
>
>
>
>I thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or
Kaufmann
>
>being responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist
>
>attributed it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a
bit
>
>foggy right now) says Hunke..
>
>
>
>j grant
Kerouac
and John Clellon Holmes picked up the street term "beat" from
Huncke
initially, but it was Kerouac and Holmes who applied it to their
generation
(i.e. Beat Generation).
Jym
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Jym
Mooney wrote:
>
> j
grant writes:
>
>
> >Was "Beat" coined by JK?
>
> >
>
> >I thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or
>
Kaufmann
>
> >being responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist
>
> >attributed it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a
>
bit
>
> >foggy right now) says Hunke..
>
> >
>
> >j grant
>
>
Kerouac and John Clellon Holmes picked up the street term "beat" from
>
Huncke initially, but it was Kerouac and Holmes who applied it to their
>
generation (i.e. Beat Generation).
>
>
Jym
i
recall seeing 'beat' used in WSB's letters 45-59 that i read this
summer
- seemed to be a street use that he might have picked up from
Huncke,
but i was kinda surprised that he doesn't get included in the
anatomy
of the term.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Jazz
fans and students of Kerouacian details
will be saddened to hear
of the
passing of veteran jazz dj Al Collins at the age of 79 in Mill
Valley. Al in his Purple Grotto appears in at least
one place in
Visions
of Cody. Al was an unforgettable act.
J.
Stauffer
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(Jazzbeaux) Collins
god,
feels like we're going to have to look back at this year as the year of
death. spin some good ones in Beat heaven, Al - godspeed.
ciao,
sherri
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From: Gary Mex Glazner
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Subject: Re: origins of "beat"
Comments:
To: race@midusa.net
Dear
Beatnik-L
The
term "Beatnik" first appeared in Herb Caen's
column
refering to "beats" and "sputnik" as both far out!
Legand
has it that Bob Kaufman probably said beatnik first,
but no
one knows for sure. Caen claimed he coined the term,
and
although his column was mostly quotes of things people said,
he was
always making up words...
with flowers
in my hair,
Gary
Mex
Words
on Wheels
85
Stanyan Street and other Sorrows
Frisco
by the Bay
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Subject: Re: the early Bukowski.
Philomene
Long here. Regarding Bukowski and the Beats- I thought I would ask
John
Thomas for first hand quotes from Hank about his being called "Beat".
The
following is John's reply.
"Drunk
or sober, Hank brooded about the Beats.
To me, on night in 1967,
reasonably
sober: 'Oh, JOhn, I can't stand your friends!
All these candy-ass
little
Beats! Mumble, mumble.' Hank didn't want to be hooked to any group or
achooll,
wanted to stand alone. ANother night, same year, at BArney's
Beanery,
pretty boxed out and acreaming: 'I'M CHARLES BUKOWSKI THE POET!' No
one
looked up. Me: ' Shit, HAnk, say your Ginsberg. That'll grab 'em/ Hank: '
I'd
rather be deadm man. I'd rather be Sara
Teasdale.' "
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Philomene,
Thanks
for the wonderful Bukowsi quotes. It is
easy to imagine Jack
Spicer,
equally hammered, ranting the same rant.
What hell it was for
these
guys, brilliant as they were, to have to exist in Ginzy's media
shadow.
Nice to
have your input on the list. Say hi
to griffin for me if you
see
him.
J.
Stauffer
Philomene
Long wrote:
(snip)
>
>
"Drunk or sober, Hank brooded about the Beats. To me, on night in 1967,
>
reasonably sober: 'Oh, JOhn, I can't stand your friends! All these candy-ass
>
little Beats! Mumble, mumble.' (snip)
ANother night, same year, at BArney's
>
Beanery, pretty boxed out and acreaming: 'I'M CHARLES BUKOWSKI THE POET!' No
>
one looked up. Me: ' Shit, HAnk, say your Ginsberg. That'll grab 'em/ Hank: '
>
I'd rather be deadm man. I'd rather be
Sara Teasdale.' "
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It
would be nice to know how Al will do his show in the Great Beyond.
He may
have to give up the Purple Grotto thing, "3 and 1/2 stories below
the
main studio" or however he billed it--maybe Al from a purple cloud,
spinning
some great bop for all the bad beat boys in that great reunion
out
there . . . with a few of his Lord Buckleyesque raps thrown in
between
cuts.
J.
Stauffer
Sherri
wrote:
spin some good ones in Beat heaven, Al -
godspeed.
>
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Michael,
This
seems a far more likely interviewer than anyone else I have heard
mentioned,
Arthur Godfrey? Please.
J. Stauffer
Michael
Skau wrote:
> I
wonder if you could have had in mind Al Aronowitz, who wrote a series of
>
articles called "The Beat Generation" for the _New York Post_ from
March 9
> to
March 22, 1959.
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Subject: Re: Campo Ai Frari, Venezia.
ah
Rinaldo, the song of all artists....
and if i had the money i'd give it to
you and
Marie to pursue your Muses. (know what
it's like to have to go from
artist to working stiff....)
ciao,
sherri
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It
seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.
There
are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why
this is
happening.
could
you please mail me if you know what is going on
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kafka
has been reincarnated as a computer ?
the
elfs again?
i have
no idea, john but am wondering if this will make it to you or to
the
list as well
mc
John
Kerr wrote:
> It
seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.
>
There are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why
>
this is happening.
>
could you please mail me if you know what is going on
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Marie
Countryman wrote:
>
>
kafka has been reincarnated as a computer ?
>
the elfs again?
> i
have no idea, john but am wondering if this will make it to you or to
>
the list as well
> mc
>
>
John Kerr wrote:
>
>
> It seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.
>
> There are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why
>
> this is happening.
>
> could you please mail me if you know what is going on
heisenberg's
uncertainty principle in relation to the beat-l techne
dbr
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Odd
question, I know, but one which I beg an answer to...
Anyone
care to help?
Cheers,
Rastous
El Aurance
For
further examples of my work, check out Liquid Review at:
http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/index.htm
And
catch me, Pushkin & Krystalle on Tumultuous in Real Audio:
http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/radio.htm
on October 17, 11pm Adelaide
time.
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At
05:57 PM 10/5/97 +1000, you wrote:
>It
seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.
>There
are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why
>this
is happening.
>could
you please mail me if you know what is going on
>
No idea
- I have gotten hardly any Beat-L mail in the past couple of days.
Jon
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10/97
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>
> > Expectancy
>
> >
>
> > Quiet rapture of silently sitting
>
> > doing nothing
>
> >
>
> > and the Universe
comes to you
>
> >
>
> >
in
>
> >
>
> > every
chirping of the crickets
>
> >
>
> >
echoing
>
> >
>
> > the lost songs of generations lost in the rush of living joylessly
>
> >
>
> >
synchronicity
>
> >
>
> > at first it
hits you in the face . . . BAM!
>
> >
>
> > that's
a miracle and then comes
>
> >
>
> >
the doubt
>
> >
the fear
>
> >
>
> > at the
move back from the shock
>
> >
>
> >
BUT ...
>
> >
>
> > then you move past
false promise to the expectancy of
>
> >
>
> >
syncrhonicity
>
> >
>
> > as
long as the crickets chirp.
>
> >
>
> > Second poem:
>
> >
>
> > Duality
>
> >
>
> > The idea of duality
>
> > is the paradox which
>
> > most faces the dawning
>
> > of the new millenia
>
> > We long for unity
>
> > it is a longing
imbedded
>
> > deep in our genetic
memory
>
> > and the presence of
duality
>
> > propels us to try to
>
> > connect every duality
>
> > that we see
>
> > But --
>
> > this creates a whole
new set
>
> > of dualities
>
> > as the connected spots
form new
>
> > separations
>
> > that forbid us from
meeting
>
> > our desires. . .
>
> > We need another look
>
> > to Divide not Connect
>
> > the dualities to Infinity
>
> > And then LISTEN
>
> > -- quietly
>
> > -- carefully
>
> > until the symphony of
Infinity
>
> > creates the sound of
Unity
>
> >
>
> > AND We
>
> > realize
>
> > and accept
>
> > that
>
> > Infinity
>
> > and
>
> >
Unity
>
> > are
>
> > the
>
> > same
>
> > coin
>
> > merely different sides
>
> > of
>
> > Eternity
>
> >
>
> > dbr
>
>
>
> Dis-Ease
>
> written ten a.m. from womb of unity ... for gene ....
>
> by David Rhaesa
>
>
>
> Dis-ease is a lack
>
> of easiness
>
> an allergy of duality
>
> in the connections
>
> of the spirit
>
> with the world
>
>
>
> The body places our
>
> souls
>
> and part of our
>
> consciousness
>
> within the limits
>
> of finite
>
> space/time
>
>
>
> And our soul
resides
>
> in the
infinity
>
> and unity
of
>
> eternity
>
>
>
> And the
duality of
>
>
finite and infinite
>
>
together
>
> can
lead to
>
> fight or flight
>
> and
consequent
>
>
dis-ease
>
>
>
> or Stand and EnJOY
>
> and
>
> easily
>
> breathe the
prayer of living
>
> grateful
>
> with
>
> our
>
> place in
the
>
> Universe
>
>
>
> one
grain of sand
>
>
>
> an electromagnetic force
combining to form a spiritual
>
> and physical being
>
>
connected
>
> to
>
> the family
>
>
>
>
beings
>
>
becoming functional
>
>
from the dysfunctionality
>
> of our own
>
>
making
>
>
>
> Bound,
>
> Healing,
>
> in the
>
> wedding
>
> of
>
> the Bride and Groom
>
>
>
> the anima
and animus
>
> that from
the Womb
>
> creates
>
> the
Archetypal Self
>
>
draped
>
> in
a coat
>
> of
many colours
>
>
>
> And communicate
>
> the truth of Love
>
> that deconstructs
the Paradigm of Fear
>
> the messages we
hear of
>
> choice is tragic
>
> and
>
> we are condemned to
freedom
>
>
>
> LOVE
>
> SHINES
>
> THROUGH
>
>
>
> with
>
> the
recognition in the Other
>
> the
Thou
>
>
>
> in my neighbor and my Pet
Rock
>
>
>
>
as Ultimate Concern
> >
>
> of the Shared
Responsibility
>
>
>
> one
grain
>
> of
sand
>
> to
another
>
>
creating
>
> courageously
>
>
from the Cocoon of the Self
>
>
>
> to the Creature
>
>
>
> the
Butterfly
>
>
>
> of
the Universal WE.
>
>
>
> david rhaesa
>
> salina kansas
>
> copyright October 97
>
>
>
> dbr
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Thanks
to all those who attended and purchased the Kerouac Quarterly. Your
help
towards making this publication successful is greatly appreciated. The
future
plan for TKQ is to found a journal for the serious scholarly study of
Kerouac
and his work(s). What I endeavor to do with the proceeds of all
future
issues is to create some form of scholarship by contribution and to
make
the journal solely non-profit. With the rising costs of independent
publishing,
it makes this plan even more of a challenge. For Vol. I, No. 3,
one
dollar from each issue sold will be placed into a scholarship fund. The
particulars
of this are not nailed down but it will be based on submissions
from
those who have undertaken an undergraduate study of Kerouac in the form
of an
essay. Thesis' submitted will be judged by an editorial board of
educators
who are more than casually acquainted with this field of
study.This
board, (an attempt to create a solid editorial board who are in
the
postion to judge articulate, researched, and well-thought out
essays)will
commit to an issue of TKQ in choosing essays for each quarter.
Anyone
who feels they would like to be on this board please contact me off
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list.
There are still a few issues left of Vol. I,
No. 2. Again, thanks to those
who
purchased this issue and made it possible to continue with a third. I
beat
the national average of 2 issues for independent publications!
There
are some updates as of today on TKQ Web Page:
Take care, Paul of The Kerouac Quarterly.
. .
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Thanks to the wonders of our education
system, I have to do a report
on a
'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and
I'm
having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,
much
less anything about them. So I'd
apperciate any help.
Janelle
"Strange now to think of you,
gone without corsets & eyes,"
--Allen
Ginsberg
"So in America when the sun goes
down and I sit on the old broken-down
river
pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that
raw
land that rolls in one unbelivble huge
bulge over to the West Coast,
and all
that road going and all thoes people dreaming in the immensity of
it, and
in Iowa i know by now the children must be crying in the land where
they
let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you
know
God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must
be drooping and shedding her
spakler
dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of compleate
night
that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds
the
final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to
anybody
besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I
even
think of old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean
Moriarty." --Jack Kerouac
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> Thanks to the wonders of our education
system, I have to do a report
>on
a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and
>I'm
having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,
>much
less anything about them. So I'd
apperciate any help.
>
>Janelle
>
Janelle,
Couple
of books by Bob Kaufman. Black poet. Close to Keroauc in CA in the
very
beginning.
Check:
THE
ANCIENT RAIN: Poems 1956-1978 (Beat Poetry) by Bob Kaufman
http://www.bookzen.com/books/002kaubob.html
and
Solitudes
Crowded With Loneliness (Beat Poetry) by Bob Kaufman
http://www.bookzen.com/books/001kaubob.html
Some
believe he coined the term "Beat," but it was probably Herbert Huncke
Herbert
Huncke Reader, The (Non-Fiction) Edited by Ben Schafer
http://www.bookzen.com/books/068815266Xb.html
Hope
this helps.
Also,
call REFERENCE DESK at public or college library. They love to help.
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George
wrote:
>
> Thanks to the wonders of our education
system, I have to do a report
> on
a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and
>
I'm having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,
>
much less anything about them.
Janelle,
Start
with A. Baraka (formerely Le Roi Jones) and especially Bob
Kaufman.
Kaufman's "Cranial Guitar" should be findable in Olympia, as
would
some Jones (Baraka) (sp--my mental spell check is off tonight.
J.
Stauffer
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Why not
try Bob Kaufamn and LeRoi Jones(Amiri Barkara) and Ted Jones.
There's
a good book of criticism that includes them: _The Beat Generation
Writers_
ed. A. Robert Lee.
Jon
At
07:54 PM 10/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
> Thanks to the wonders of our education
system, I have to do a report
>on
a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and
>I'm
having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,
>much
less anything about them. So I'd
apperciate any help.
>
>Janelle
>
>
>
>
>
> "Strange now to think of you,
gone without corsets & eyes,"
> --Allen
Ginsberg
>
> "So in America when the sun goes
down and I sit on the old
broken-down
>river
pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that
>raw
land that rolls in one unbelivble huge
bulge over to the West Coast,
>and
all that road going and all thoes people dreaming in the immensity of
>it,
and in Iowa i know by now the children must be crying in the land where
>they
let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you
>know
God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must
be drooping and shedding her
>spakler
dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of compleate
>night
that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds
>the
final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to
>anybody
besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I
>even
think of old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean
>Moriarty." --Jack Kerouac
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:36:53 -0700
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For
anyone interested, there's an interesting interview with Caleb Carr
at the
Salon website. Here's where to go:
http://www.salonmagazine.com/books/int/
Adrien
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a
twister catches
all
Beat-L posts and deposits
them in
the chirp of a cricket
Frances
spills a cup
of
coffee and it showers
the
cricket
who
runs away
but
returns
to sing
his song
just
another monday morning
october
this time around (i think)
on my
back stoop....
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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It was
a fun conference, Paul. Looked for you
at the book fair and at the conc
ert/reading
Friday night but didn't run into you.
Maybe next time.
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From: "p. durgin"
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Subject: Re: black beats
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Ted Joans, LeRoi Jones (Amiri Baraki),
and fucking Langston Hughes
if you
want to stretch a bit. I saw the second
Jones read last year at
the
Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, and it seems that, in the current
climate
of poetics, he's the most immediate and vital poet left of the
beats. "Transblusency" and there's an
autobiography somewhere.
Patrick F. Durgin
|||pdurgin@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu|||
___________________________
On Sun,
5 Oct 1997, George wrote:
> Thanks to the wonders of our education
system, I have to do a report
> on
a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and
>
I'm having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,
>
much less anything about them. So I'd
apperciate any help.
>
>
Janelle
>
>
>
>
>
> "Strange now to think of you,
gone without corsets & eyes,"
> --Allen
Ginsberg
>
> "So in America when the sun goes
down and I sit on the old broken-down
>
river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that
>
raw land that rolls in one unbelivble
huge bulge over to the West Coast,
>
and all that road going and all thoes people dreaming in the immensity of
>
it, and in Iowa i know by now the children must be crying in the land where
>
they let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you
>
know God is Pooh Bear? the evening star
must be drooping and shedding her
>
spakler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of compleate
>
night that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds
>
the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to
>
anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I
>
even think of old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean
>
Moriarty."
--Jack Kerouac
>
>
>
>
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> If
you would like to submit an artical, drawing, photograph, poem, song,
>
story, joke, rant, manifesto, or whatever else you have, to 96 MILES TO
>
PORTLAND, PLEASE contact me. If you
want to subscribe PLEASE contact me, if
>
you submitt your issue containing the submission is free. If you would just
>
like to get an issue then it's $1. By e-mail it's free but you can't seee
>
the pretty pictures
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RORSCHA
CH BLOT
S
a paint
ing a w
all a s
hip by
the rai
lroad a
n ice-c
ream a
young m
other g
reen ve
netian
hills g
reen so
nice
SUNDAY
OCTOBER
1997 ru
sty tra
ck by t
he rail
road st
ation t
he cart
on wing
s on a
table a
t david
e's bar
AND THE
SILENCE RETURNS.
---
rinaldo
6th oct
97
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At
10:23 AM 10/6/97 EDT, you wrote:
>It
was a fun conference, Paul. Looked for
you at the book fair and at the conc
>ert/reading
Friday night but didn't run into you.
Maybe next time.
>
Sorry to have missed you Bill...there's
always next time. Paul...
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Al Aronowitz
In a
message dated 97-10-04 00:13:11 EDT, you write:
<<
I wonder if you could have had in mind Al Aronowitz, who wrote a series of
articles called "The Beat
Generation" for the _New York Post_ from March 9
to March 22, 1959. He interviewed Kerouac,
Ginsberg, and Burroughs for his
articles and included quotes from them. >>
check
out Al's web site at http://www.bigmajic.com
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Thanks to the wonders of our education system, I have to do a report
>on
a 'famous' African American
You
don't sound happy about this assignment... how come?
--
Adam
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i
guess... one flew over the cuckoo's nest definetly is not beat, but
it is
very suggestive in its implications. don't know about the rest of
his
stuff.
>
Odd question, I know, but one which I beg an answer to...
>
>
Anyone care to help?
>
>
Cheers,
>
>
Rastous El Aurance
>
>
randy
>
For further examples of my work, check out Liquid Review at:
>
http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/index.htm
>
>
And catch me, Pushkin & Krystalle on Tumultuous in Real Audio:
>
http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/radio.htm on October 17, 11pm Adelaide
>
time.
>
>
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Kesey
is "beat" in the sense that he was a writer who wrote about
characters
who fought conventionality and conformity, and had a healthy
cynicism
about life and society.
But on
the other hand, Kesey-- unlike the other beat writers-- was the
leader
of a cult. In "Electric Kool-Aid
Acid Test", Tom Wolfe details
many
comparisons between Kesey/the Merry Pranksters and other notable
cults. The Pranksters were a small group of people
who basically
worshipped
Ken Kesey and lived through him, did what he said, and
practiced
lifestyles according to his wishes.
While some might argue
that
other beat writers had cults, none had one as direct as Kesey.
Also,
most beat writers were agnostic or in question of faith, but there
was a
subtle religious subtext to the Furthur bus and Kesey's
pranksterism. Among the first places Kesey ever took his
bus, and the
pranksters,
were unitarian church gatherings in California. In later
pictures
of the second Furthur bus, there is a cross painted on one
side. The Merry Pranksters apparently viewed (or
view) Kesey as some
sort of
prophet, and see themselves and their mission as spiritual.
So
what? Jack Kerouac also saw his mission as spiritual in essence, but I
guess
the difference is that he saw the "journey" as an individual
experience,
while the Pranksters practiced a "group" experience.
So I
would say that Ken Kesey is beat,but a different sort of beat than
Jack
Kerouac. Kerouac's beat ethic is rooted
in theloneliness and
isolation
of the individual soul, while Kesey's sees the world as lonely
and
isolated, not the individuals in it.
RJW