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please
please please carry this debate on privately!
unless i'm wrong, and
i'm
certainly willing to stand corrected, i think most beat-l members would
agree
that this discussion is no longer a contribution to most of us, and has
taken
on the air of a private relationship issue.
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> >I have a number of the Vol. I, No. 2 which I will make available for
sample
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> >copies (to my detractors and all).
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>
please send me a sample copy,
> a detractor
> patricia
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On Sun,
19 Oct 1997, Aviva Vogel wrote:
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This debate (Kerouac) has surpassed its bounds on this list, and I
>
respectfully plea that it continue elsewhere, so I don't have to unsubscribe.
>
I
second that as I believe many others on the list do as well. I
subscribed
to discuss literture with other interested individuals, not
polotics.
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Memory
Gardens
by Allen Ginsberg
October 22-29, 1969
covered with yellow leaves
in the morning rain
--Quel
Deluge
he threw up his hands
& wrote the Universe dont exist
& died to prove it.
Full
Moon over Ozone Park
Airport Bus rushing thru dusk to
Manhattan,
Jack
the Wizard in his
grave at Lowell
for the
first nite--
That
Jack thru those eyes I
saw
smog glory light
gold over Mannahatta's spires
will never see these
chimneys smoking
anymore
over statues of Mary
in the graveyard...
Eternal
fixity, the big headed
wax painted Buddha doll
pale resting incoffined--
Empty-skulled
New
York streets
Starveling
phantoms
filling city--
Wax
dolls walking park
Ave,
Light
gleam in eye glass
Voice
echoing thru Microphones
Grand
Central Sailor's
arrival 2 decades later
feeling melancholy--
Nostalgia
for Innocent World
War II--
A
million corpses running
across 42d street
Glass
buildings rising higher
transparent
aluminum--
artifical
trees, robot sofas,
Ignorant cars--
One Way
Street to Heaven...
Flying
to Maine in a trail of black smoke...
Empire
State in Heaven Sun Set Red,
White mist in old October
over the billion trees of Bronx--
There's too much to see--
Jack
saw sun set red over Hudson horizon
Two three decades back...
Northport,
in the trees, Jack drank
rot gut & made haiku of birds
tweetling on his porch rail at dawn--
Fell
down and saw Death's golden lite
in Florida garden a decade ago.
Now
taken utterly, soul upward,
& body down in wood coffin
& concrete slab-box.
I threw
a kissed handful of damp earth
down on the stone lid
& sighed
looking in Creeley's one eye,
Peter
sweet holding a flower
Gregory toothless bending his
knuckle to Cinema machine--...
Well,
while I'm here I'll
do the work--
and
what's the Work?
To ease the pain of living.
Everything
else, drunken
dumbshow.
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On Sun,
19 Oct 1997, Binu Paulose wrote:
>
can you folks fill me in on what's happened thus far on the mailing list?
>
also are there any upcoming events regarding any readings or such??
>
>
Binu
>
e-mail: paulose@acsu.buffalo.edu
>
ICQ # : 3292154
>
Binu, I
am probably not the one who should answer this b/c I've only
been on
the list for a few days, but there is a viscious battle going on
about
what should be done with the Kerouac estate. Someone else will be
able to
fill you in better than I. As for any readings, I don't know, but
I know
that a couple weeks ago there was a Kerouac festival and I am
wondering
if anyone went to that, and if so what it was like.
I also
want to know if anyone can tell me who Remi Broncuer (in OTR) is
in real
life.
This I
say not to offend anyone (simply curiosity): If those of you
involved
in the estate battle have each others personal e-mail address,
why is
the fight being broadcasted on beat-l? Are you trying to prove
something
to the rest of us?
Sarah
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At
09:15 PM 10/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This
debate (Kerouac) has surpassed its bounds on this list, and I
>respectfully
plea that it continue elsewhere, so I don't have to unsubscribe.
>
Oct 19, 1997
Aviva,
and others on the Beat List,
Please look at this from my point of
view for a moment.
I do not come looking for a
fight. I did not do so in April, and I
didn't
do so last Monday.
Last Monday, I wanted to announce an
important fact to the Kerouac
community,
that I had won a legal victory in my continuing effort--as Jan
Kerouac's
literary executor--to recover, preserve, and make accessible the
Jack
Kerouac archive. That was all. I then got hit with a whole load of
slanders,
false defamatory information (I "murder" archives, I sell stolen
materials,
I make millions of dollars as a literary executor), etc. etc. By
the
same three gentlemen, Paul Maher, Phil Chaput, and Attila Gyenis, who
had
done that very thing to me last May.
Three gentlemen who are all
connected
in both personal concerns and business concerns with Mr. John
Sampas,
the person I am fighting in court.
It does not take a genius to figure
out what is going on here.
Mr. Sampas has hired three
sluggers. I use "hired"
loosely. They
may not
get an actual salary, but they get "percs." Mr. Maher gets to use
Kerouac
drawings for his magazine, he gets inside information on
publications
from Mr. Sampas which give him a journalistic "scoop." Mr.
Gyenis
gets ads from Viking Penguin (Mr. Sampas's publisher), the right to
print
Kerouac writings, also inside scoops.
Mr. Chaput gets an honored
place
in the Lowell Kerouac Committee.
The three sluggers have been entrusted
with an important job. As
soon as
Gerald Nicosia opens his mouth, they are supposed to say the most
insulting
things they can about me, make up stories about my legal dealings,
my
finances, whatever. It doesn't even
matter whether what they say is
true. Like Mr. Maher saying he has seen Columbia
University xeroxes from my
archive
at Mr. Sampas's house, when all the xeroxes I got from Columbia
University
are still sitting in MY house.
The main thing is just to put me on
the defensive, get me all
tangled
up answering a hundred false charges, get my goat if possible so
that
I'll start talking at their level. Then
hope that people will start to
say, as
they're saying now, "Oh, this whole thing is too nasty, let's take
it off
the list!"
But WHO made it nasty?
Look at it from another way. For several months, while I was off
the
list, Mr. Maher was on here regularly, promoting his magazine and the
goodness
of Mr. Sampas; other friends of Mr. Sampas were promoting the
Lowell
Kerouac Committee, which is in many respects a publicity organ for
Mr.
Sampas. THEY WERE FREE TO SAY WHATEVER
THEY WISHED. They did not have
to
worry that every time they opened their mouth, someone would jump in and
say,
"You murder archives!" or "You sell stolen materials!" or
"You file
bogus
lawsuits!" or "Greed is your motivation!"
What about the other 280 of you on
this list? None of you has to
worry
that your personal life, finances, or human decency will be attacked
every
time you decide to make a post. But I
am put under this pressure the
instant
I decide I to communicate on this list.
THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
I also do not believe it is right to
banish the topic either. The
fate of
Jack Kerouac's papers and unpublished writings is of vital
importance
to anyone who cares about his work. And
we could discuss this
topic
rationally if the three sluggers stopped making it their job to bloody
me up
every time I open my mouth.
People on this list have shown that
they are interested in the
topic. Many asked about the last letter Jack wrote,
on October 20, 1969,
the
so-called "Paul Blake letter."
I endeavored to describe the history of
this
letter as objectively as I could, without attacking Mr. Sampas or
anyone
else. I even defended Mr. Maher, who
was accused of stealing a xerox
of this
letter from my archive by U Mass, Lowell librarian Martha Mayo--an
accusation
I believe to be false.
I believe that questions can be
answered calmly and coolly and
people
can learn things that will help them to understand this whole
controversy. I am willing to do this, and hope the others
are too. But
that
also means being willing to say, "I don't know the answer." I took Mr.
Gyenis
to task (a bit too hotly, I admit and apologize for) because he
claimed
to know that I have no authority over Jack Kerouac's estate, when in
fact
that issue is currently undecided. No
one can say for sure what my
authority
is until the three judges in Santa Fe make that decision two
months
from now. In the meantime, we can state
our opinons, or say we don't
know;
but Mr. Gyenis did neither, he simply stated as fact something which
is not
a fact right now. And to state as facts
things that ARE NOT FACTS
can
damage other people, and the damaging of other people is what this
problem
is all about. The problem is not
talking about the Kerouac estate.
Tonight, as Bill Gargan reminded us,
is indeed the anniversary of
Jack
Kerouac's last conscious night on earth.
It was a Sunday night,
October
19, 1969, and according to Stella, he went out into his backyard in
Florida
to look at the stars--a thing he loved to do.
The next night,
Monday
night October 20, he would be unconscious from loss of blood in St.
Anthony's
Hospital. So let us indeed honor Jack
by peacemaking tonight, and
remember
that we're all headed for the same place Jack is now (and Jan is
now,
too). "I had no time to
hate," wrote Emily Dickinson. I
have no time
to hate
either. Let's talk quietly and offer
facts and insights, not
insults
and accusations. I will happily abide
by that, if my 3 opponents
(and my
silent opponent Mr. Sampas) will also.
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Subject: di Prima
2 from
Diane di Prima...
TASSAJARA,
1969
Even
Buddha is lost in this land
the
immensity
takes
us all with it, pulverizes, & takes us in
Bodhidharma
came from the west.
Coyote
met him
PROPHETISSA
"Two from
One
Three from Two
and out of the
Three
the Four, as
the first
~Maria the Prophet
(2nd cent. alchemist)
Two
form One:
know
this wind as
fire. Flame
at the
heart of stone.
Leaping arc
from
black dwarf star that spins
the
double helix. And know
this
fire as talk. The word.
Bursting
in cunt or asshole
bursting
in
cupped and tensing mouth
The
fucking
word. Heartfire of stars as they
circle
and lean toward touch
hold orbit
spiraling
& reach
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As for
me, I will remember Jack's life and death as I usually do this
month
by rereading "October in Railroad Earth" and thinking of Jack and
Neal
when I hear their train making a late run to Hollister and Gilroy.
Just
listen to that lonesome whistle blow . . .
J
Stauffer
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Albert
Saijo who with Jack and Lew Welch produced the haiku for "Trip
Trap"
will be reading from his new book "OUTSPEAKS" at City Lights in SF
on
Tuesday Nov, 11 at 7pm.
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>our
own opinions. When Sampas begins to
produce something worthy or
>respect,
then we will. In the mean time, why not
call on Sampas to
>publish
every letter or communication he has ever issued about Gerry
...
> Has
he ever let any
>copyrights
lapse? Exactly what has Sampas done for
the public?
amen... was about to say the same thing..
you know, all you sampas
defenders
keep coming down on us who question his actions, but the fact
remains
that this man who seems to have an abominous influence over so
many
people and is the executor of the K estate has not, after all this
time,
properly carried through with jack's wishes for his archives,
there
is a problem. John's actions speak his
motives and priorities,
Paul,
and someone who constantly hinders the efforts of those who want
to
preserve the archives doesn't demand much respect from myself and,
i'm
sure, quite a few others on this list.
ty
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FOR
PIGPEN
Velvet
at the edge of the tongue,
at the
edge of the brain,it was
velvet. At the edge of history.
Sound
was light. Like tracing
ancient
letter w/yr toe on the
floor
of the ballroom.
They
came & went, hotel guests
like
the Great Gatsby.
And
wondered at the music.
Sound was light.
jagged
sweeps of discordant
Light.
Aurora borealis over
some
cemetery. A bark. A howl.
At the
edge of history & there was
no time
shouts.
trace circles
of
breath. All futures. Time
was
this light & sound
spilled
out of it.
Flickered
&
fell under blue windows. False drawn.
And too
much wind.
We come round.
Make
circles. Blank as a clock.
Spill
velvet damage on the edge
of
history.
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this is
from his Orizaba 210 Blues. I think
about this because I'm high
as hell
on caffeine and I have a Physics midterm tomorrow, so...
39th
CHORUS
IX
Out on
the highway I thumbed a ride
into
Buffalo and I put the bum
on the
guy for something to eat
- 'Eat
in my drugstore' -
So we
went in the back
And he
had corn on the cob
And
boiled potatos, 'Say fellow
I
always hear people talk
about
morphine, what's it look
like?'
-he shows me-he
had a
key a cabinet and
he had
bottles of hundreds
quartergrains
halfgrains
pantapon
delauddit everything
and
soon as he tended
the
customers I emptied the
bottles-got
outa there pretty
quick,
bought a safety pin
in
Buffalo and took a shot
in the
toilet
Binu
e-mail:
paulose@acsu.buffalo.edu
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3292154
"Hip
changes a lot. What's hip is what's
cool. Honest.
Straightforward. Has some integrity to it. Interesting. Original.
Unique. Special.
Dazzling. Sexy. I get to decide what's hip, sitting
here in
my coat and tie." -- Jann Wenner, founder, editor, and publisher,
"Rolling
Stone"
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Hello
everybody.
There
is a new site that I have created. It
is called The Beat
Literature
Page. It was designed to
honor...you! Yes indeed not
Kerouac
and our greatest muses but rather your own original creations. I
am
looking for poetry, essays, comments, and short literature, or
photographs.
The
only problem with the site is there aren't enough submissions to get
it
going. When my web server converts to
FTP and allows me access to
their
cgi-bin I will also be adding an add-a-story page where all of us
can
create one journey.
Please
visit me. I am lonely in cyberspace
watching my counter only
progress
from friends and family.
the URL
is http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html
If at
first you don't get on please try again.
The server I am on is
switching
from http to FTP so it is kind of a problem.
Thank
you once again.
______________________________________________________
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Sarah,
Bear with us Sarah....all this will
pass and we'll get back to Beat
things
- but always woven in with some kind of distraction - usually
interesting!
....unlike the estate battle, which as Attilla pointed out
could
be very interesting and engaging, but not as cooked up among the
current
crew.
Remi Broncouer is Henri Cru, a friend
of Jack's from Horace Mann,
the
pre-Columbia prep school that they both attended. Like Jack, he became a
merchant
seaman, but he stuck at it. Henri introduced Jack to his first wife
Edie
Parker.
One of the main reasons that Jack went
to San Francisco in 1947 was
that
Henri was living there. In 1957-58 they were living together in New
York
just as OTR was published and hit big.
Antoine
R.I.P Jack and
Neal and Allen and Bill and
Stella
and Leo and Memere and Gerard and Jan and young Billy and old beat
Huncke
and Lew Welch and Lord Buckley and Lenny Bruce and...
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>On
Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Binu Paulose wrote:
>
>>
can you folks fill me in on what's happened thus far on the mailing list?
>>
also are there any upcoming events regarding any readings or such??
>>
>>
Binu
>>
e-mail: paulose@acsu.buffalo.edu
>>
ICQ # : 3292154
>>
>
>Binu,
I am probably not the one who should answer this b/c I've only
>been
on the list for a few days, but there is a viscious battle going on
>about
what should be done with the Kerouac estate. Someone else will be
>able
to fill you in better than I. As for any readings, I don't know, but
>I
know that a couple weeks ago there was a Kerouac festival and I am
>wondering
if anyone went to that, and if so what it was like.
>
>I
also want to know if anyone can tell me who Remi Broncuer (in OTR) is
>in
real life.
>
>This
I say not to offend anyone (simply curiosity): If those of you
>involved
in the estate battle have each others personal e-mail address,
>why
is the fight being broadcasted on beat-l? Are you trying to prove
>something
to the rest of us?
>
>Sarah
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
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I would
like to know what people know about the OTR video I just found
advertised. Is it worth it? It came out in June of 1990
if that helps.
Thanks!
Eric
Wood
wooderi1@pilot.msu.edu
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Antoine
Maloney wrote:
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>
James,
>
> I have the recordings of
"October..." and they are among my most
>
favorites things; but I've never read it.
Antoine,
October
is in in the Kerouac Reader, I believe.
Originally in Evergreen
Review
as "Railroad Earth". If
anyone is selling that Evergreen please
let me
know. Do you have a recording that is
more complete than the
piece from
the box set?
James
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Antoine
Maloney wrote:
R.I.P
Jack and Neal and Allen and Bill and
>
Stella and Leo and Memere and Gerard and Jan and young Billy and old beat
>
Huncke and Lew Welch and Lord Buckley and Lenny Bruce and...
>
Very
nicely said . . . we can all fill in the others, the famous ones as
well as
the ones far fewer of us knew.
J.
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From: Sherri
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Subject: Re: Honoring Jack
as for
me - i shall spend every free moment tomorrow reading some of his
poetry
and some of Big Sur, listening to him read and meditating...
LUCIEN
MIDNIGHT
Dying
is ecstasy
I'm not
a teacher, not a
Sage,
not a Roshi, not a
writer
or master or even
a
giggling dharma bum I'm
my
mother's son & my mother
is the
universe -------
What is
this universe
but a lot of waves
And a
craving desire
is a wave
Belonging
to a wave
in a world of waves
So why
put any down,
wave?
Come on
wave, WAVE!
The
heehaw's dobbin
spring hoho
Is a
sad lonely yurk
for your love
Wave
lover
And
what is God?
The
unspeakable, the untellable
------
Rejoice
in the Lamb, sang
Christopher
Smart, who
drives
me crazy, because
he 's
so smart, and I'm
so
smart, and both of us
are
crazy.
No ---
what is God?
The
impossible, the impeachable
Unimpeachable
Prezi-dent
of the
Pepsodent Universe
But
with no body & no brain
no
business and no tie
no
candle and no high
no wise
and no smart guy
no
nothing, no no-nothing,
no
anything, no-word, yes-word,
everything,
anything, God,
the guy
that ain't a guy,
the
thing that can't be
and can
and is
and
isn't
Kayo
Mullins is always yelling
and
stealing old men's shoes
Moon
comes home drunk, kerplunk,
Somebody
hit him with a pisspot
Major
Hoople's always harrumfing
Egad
kaff kaff all that
Showing
little kids fly kites right
And
breaking windows of fame
Blemish
me Lil Abner is gone
His
brother is okay, Daisy Mae
and the
Wolf-Gal
Ah who cares?
Subjects make me sick
all i want is C'est Foi
Hope one time
bullshit in the tree
I've
had enough of follin me
And
making silly imagery
Harrumph me kaff
I think I'll take off
For Cat and Fish
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howdy
all.
first
full day back from week, 8 stop road trip. came home to discover i
had 796
messages awaitin' me.
road
dust gives power
to
finger
to
delete key
glad to
be back. hope to catch up;
perhaps,
just
maybe,
i
can
mc
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after
14 days absent from list and home returning from road trip, i download
796
posts, at least a third of which is the same old vitriolic tinged debate
devolving
into name calling and what have you.
my
finger has a blister on it from using the delete key over and over again
i'm
back
don't
know for how long
howling
in early morning light from computer screen.
173
messages to go.
mc
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Lawrence Ferlinghetti.
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
>
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Subject:una
poesia scritta in italiano da Lawrence Ferlinghetti.
Ciao
RINALDO,
I'm
going to write in english 'cause my written italian is pretty bad,
well
I'd like to know if there are more of Ferlinghetti's poetry written
directly
in italian? Could you post more? Is there a book?
thanks,
daniel
caridade
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A POEM
The trash is out of sight and buried,
The garden ploughed,
And on the stove an enormous pot
Of pork and beans.
Jack Kerouac - Some of the Dharma -
book six
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Hi,
Being
from Portugal, I find it very difficult to get in touch with the
latests
editions from and around the beat g. writers.
One I'm
getting a bit curious, after all that's been going on in this list,
is
Gerry Nicosia's "Memory Babe: A Critical Biography of Jack Keroauc",
can
anyone
tell me how can I get it? who is the publisher? All that stuff?
Maybe
Gerry himself could help me?
thanks,
daniel
caridade
dcaridade@geocities.com
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James
asked: "Do you have a recording
(of Railroad Earth) that is more
complete
than the piece from the box set?"
Heard it first on the Beat Generation
box set and more recently
bought
the Jack box set, but only have those. Do the two parts that appear
on th
Jack box set represent all of the text? Do other recordings of any of
this
exist?
In 1994 my son gave me a boot called
"Beat Jazz: pictures from the
gone
world" which has some other great stuff also ...a segment from "Pull
my
daisy"
with Jack talking about cockroaches and two pieces from a great late
fifties
record called Jazz Canto; Bob Dorough doing Ferlinghetti's "Dog" and
Roy
Glenn doing Phillip Whalen's "big high song to somebody" ....more
beatiful
railroad images of the Phoebe Snow and the A train.
Also had Coleman Hawkins wonderful
solo piece "Picasso", I think,
some
Sun Ra, one of Moondog's pieces and Woody Leafer's "there's a drum in
my typewriter..." I'll be revisiting them today.
Antoine
*******************
>Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>>
>>
James,
>>
>> I have the recordings of
"October..." and they are among my most
>>
favorites things; but I've never read it.
>
>Antoine,
>
>October
is in in the Kerouac Reader, I believe.
Originally in Evergreen
>Review
as "Railroad Earth". If
anyone is selling that Evergreen please
>let
me know. Do you have a recording that
is more complete than the
>piece
from the box set?
>
>James
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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IL GRANDE MAESTRO by Giancarlo Tenenti
Il grande maestro
mi ha raccontato
il grande maestro
mi ha insegnato
all'improvviso
il grande maestro
e' morto
---
Giancarlo
Tenenti, venetian poet & painter,
poesia
stampata nel dicembre 1988
isola
di San Lazzaro
a
Venezia, tipografia Armena
---
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It's
also in it's completed form in Lonesome Traveller.
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
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Elegiac
Feelings American
for the
dear memory of John Kerouac
by
Gregory Corso
excerpts
1
How
inseperable you and the America you saw yet was
never there to see; you and America,
like the
tree and the ground, are one the same;
yet how
like a palm tree in the state of Oregon ... dead
ere it blossomed, like a snow polar
loping the
Miami --
How so
that which you were or hoped to be, and the
America not, the America you saw yet
could
not see
<snip>
Alas,
Jack, seems I cannot requiem thee without
requieming America, and thatn's one
requiem
I shall not presume, for as long as I
live there'll
be no requiems for me
For
though the tree dies the tree is born anew, only until
the tree dies forever and never a tree
born
anew ... shall the ground die too
Yours
the eyes that saw, the heart that felt, the voice that
sang and cried; and as long as America
shall
live, though ye old Kerouac body hath
died,
yet shall you live ... for indeed ours
was a time
of prophecy without death as a
consequence ...
for indeed after us came the time of
assassins,
and who'll doubt thy last words
"After me ...
the deluge."
<snip>
2
<snip>
The
second greatest cause of human death ... is the
acquiring of property
No
American life is worth an acre of America ... if No
Trespassing and guarding mastiffs
can't tell you
shotguns will
So,
sweet seeker, just what America sought you anyway?
Know that today there are millions of
Americans
seeking America ... know that even
with all
those eye-expanding chemicals - only
more of
what is not there do they see
<snip>
Look
unto Moses, no prophet every reached the dreamed of
lands ... ah but your eyes are dead
... nor the
America beyond your last dreamed hill
hovers
real
3
How
alike our hearts and time and dying, how our America
out there and in our hearts insatiable
yet
overflowing hallelujahs of poesy and
hope
How we
knew to feel each dawn, to ooh and aah each
golden sorrow and helplessness coast
to coast
in our search for whatever joy steadfast
never
there nowever grey
Yea the
America the America unstained and never
revolutioned for liberty ever in us
free, the
America in us - unboundaried and
unhistoried,
we the America, we the fathers of that
America,
the America you Johnnyappleseeded, the
America I heralded, an America not
there, an
America soon to be
The
prophet affects the state, and the state affects the
prophet -- What happened to you, O
friend,
happened to America, and we know what
happened to America -- the stain ...
the stains,
O and
yet when it's asked of you "What happened to him?"
I say "What happened to America
has happened
him -- the two were
inseperable" Like the wind
to the sky is the voice to the word
...
And now
that voice is gone, and now the word is bone, and
the America is going, the planet boned
A man
can have everything he desires in his home yet have
nothing outside the door -- for a
feeling man, a
poet man, such an outside serves only
to make
home a place in which to hang oneself
And us
ones, sweet friend, we've always brought America
home with us -- and never like dirty
laundry, even
with all the stains
And
through the front door, lovingly cushioned in our
hearts; where we sat down and told it
our
dreams of beauty
hopeful that it would leave our homes
beautiful
And
what has happened to our dream of beauteous
America, Jack?
<snip>
"What
happened to him?" "What
happened to you?" Death
happened him; a gypped life happened;
a God
gone sick happened; a dream
nightmared; a
youth armied; an army massacred; the
father
wants to eat the son, the son feeds his stone,
but the father no get stoned
And
you, Jack, poor Jack, watched your father die, your
America die, your God die, your body
die, die
die die; and today fathers are
watching their
sons die, and their sons are watching babies die,
why? Why? How we both asked WHY?
O the
sad sad awfulness of it all
<snip>
Aye,
what happened to you, dear friend, compassionate
friend, is what is happening to
everyone and
thing of planet the clamorous sadly
desperate
planet now one voice less ...
expendable as the
wind ... gone, and who'll now blow
away the
awful miasma of sick, sick and dying
earthflesh-soul America
When
you went on the road looking for America you found
only what you put there and a man
seeking gold
finds the only America there is to
find; and his
investmentment and a poet's investment
... the same
when comes the crash, and it's
crashing, yet
the windows are tight, are not for
jumping; from
hell none e'er fell
4
<snip>
The
ArcAngel Raphael was I to you
And I
put the Cross of the Lord of Angels
upon
you ... there
on the
eve of a new world to explore
And you
were flashed upon the old and darkling day
a Beat
Christ-boy ... bearing the gentle roundness of things
insisting
the soul was round not square
And
soon ... behind thee
there
came a-following
the
children of flowers.
north
beach, s.f. 1969 in Mindfield
dbr
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: The Kerouac Quarterly sample copies
available
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At
21.52 19/10/97 -0400,
"Paul
A. Maher Jr." <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>wrote:
>At
08:07 PM 10/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>I have a number of the Vol. I, No. 2 which I will make available for
sample
>>>
>copies (to my detractors and all).
>>
>>please
send me a sample copy,
>> a detractor
>> patricia
>>903
sunset dr.
>>lawrence,
ks 66044
>>
>My
pleasure, hope you enjoy it and impart from it some of my good
>intentions.
thanks, Paul...
>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>
Henry David Thoreau
>
me too,
it's possible also to send one copy to me? thanks
Rinaldo Rasa
via Morlaiter 2
30173 Venezia-Mestre
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In
memory of JK...
from
Chorus No. 238
Mexico
City Blues
"Money
is the root of all evil"
For I
will
Write
In my
will
"I
regret that I was not able
To love
money more."
Are you
resting in peace, Jack?
Regards,
Andrew
Lampert
cosmic@clark.net
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Subject: howl with a whine chaser
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on a
lighter note, i just returned via bus to and from music and spoken
word
event, and couldn't help myself i had to write this..
howl
with a whine chaser:
i saw the best part of my mind destroyed by
sleep deprivation,
starving
hysterical naked
dragging myself through the greyhound
stations looking for my
angry
luggage
angelheaded hipsterette burning for the
ancient heavenly
connectionto
louisville and back in the stary dynamo in the greyhound
machinery at
night
who poverty and tatters and howllowed eyed
sat up wishing to
be smoking
marijuana in the supernatural darkness of
cramped seats and
angry
seatmates driving past the tops of cities
contemplating bladder
control,
and patience.
who bared my ass to heaven while trying to
take a leak outside
of
cramped and longlined service stops,
wishing for the toilet
paper,
who passed through yet more bus stations
with burning red eyes
hallucinating arkansas and blake-light
tragedy for vertigo when
reading
on the road
who was expelled from the port authority
waiting room by angry
mop and
broom holding scholars of the war against
further grime,
who refused to cower in unshaven rooms in
underwear, praying
for enough
money to burn in wastebaskets and listening
to the terror
through the
aisles
______
29 hrs down and 27 hrs back, my own
insomniacathon of the dark
soul of
greyhound night.
_____
who saw perry stand on one leg w/fez on
head to prove sobriety
sufficent
for one more vodka
who saw luther in shock and amazement
staring at our power
pumpkin
who bickered with and was awestruck by
jim's reading, kitchen
table and
twice told
who not only recorded secret tapes of lies
and exonerations of
fellow
busmates
but also the rantings of the mad poets at
the kitchen table
.....yadayadayada
mc
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thanks,
dave: this, in tandem with oct in rr earth this is my own
readings
done on this date.
RACE ---
wrote:
>
Elegiac Feelings American
>
for the dear memory of John Kerouac
> by
Gregory Corso
>
excerpts
>
> 1
>
How inseperable you and the America you saw yet was
> never there to see; you and America,
like the
> tree and the ground, are one the
same; yet how
> like a palm tree in the state of
Oregon ... dead
> ere it blossomed, like a snow polar
loping the
> Miami --
>
How so that which you were or hoped to be, and the
> America not, the America you saw yet
could
> not see
>
>
<snip>
>
>
Alas, Jack, seems I cannot requiem thee without
> requieming America, and thatn's one
requiem
> I shall not presume, for as long as I
live there'll
> be no requiems for me
>
For though the tree dies the tree is born anew, only until
> the tree dies forever and never a
tree born
> anew ... shall the ground die too
>
Yours the eyes that saw, the heart that felt, the voice that
> sang and cried; and as long as
America shall
> live, though ye old Kerouac body hath
died,
> yet shall you live ... for indeed
ours was a time
> of prophecy without death as a
consequence ...
> for indeed after us came the time of
assassins,
> and who'll doubt thy last words
"After me ...
> the deluge."
>
>
<snip>
>
> 2
>
>
<snip>
>
>
The second greatest cause of human death ... is the
> acquiring of property
> No
American life is worth an acre of America ... if No
> Trespassing and guarding mastiffs
can't tell you
> shotguns will
>
So, sweet seeker, just what America sought you anyway?
> Know that today there are millions of
Americans
> seeking America ... know that even
with all
> those eye-expanding chemicals - only
more of
> what is not there do they see
>
>
<snip>
>
>
Look unto Moses, no prophet every reached the dreamed of
> lands ... ah but your eyes are dead
... nor the
> America beyond your last dreamed hill hovers
> real
>
> 3
>
>
How alike our hearts and time and dying, how our America
> out there and in our hearts
insatiable yet
> overflowing hallelujahs of poesy and
hope
>
How we knew to feel each dawn, to ooh and aah each
> golden sorrow and helplessness coast
to coast
> in our search for whatever joy
steadfast never
> there nowever grey
>
Yea the America the America unstained and never
> revolutioned for liberty ever in us
free, the
> America in us - unboundaried and
unhistoried,
> we the America, we the fathers of
that America,
> the America you Johnnyappleseeded,
the
> America I heralded, an America not
there, an
> America soon to be
>
>
The prophet affects the state, and the state affects the
> prophet -- What happened to you, O
friend,
> happened to America, and we know what
> happened to America -- the stain ...
the stains,
> O
and yet when it's asked of you "What happened to him?"
> I say "What happened to America
has happened
> him -- the two were
inseperable" Like the wind
> to the sky is the voice to the word
...
>
And now that voice is gone, and now the word is bone, and
> the America is going, the planet
boned
> A
man can have everything he desires in his home yet have
> nothing outside the door -- for a
feeling man, a
> poet man, such an outside serves only
to make
> home a place in which to hang oneself
>
And us ones, sweet friend, we've always brought America
> home with us -- and never like dirty
laundry, even
> with all the stains
>
And through the front door, lovingly cushioned in our
> hearts; where we sat down and told it
our
> dreams of beauty
> hopeful that it would leave our homes
beautiful
>
And what has happened to our dream of beauteous
> America, Jack?
>
>
<snip>
>
>
"What happened to him?"
"What happened to you?"
Death
> happened him; a gypped life happened;
a God
> gone sick happened; a dream
nightmared; a
> youth armied; an army massacred; the
father
> wants to eat the son, the son feeds his
stone,
> but the father no get stoned
>
And you, Jack, poor Jack, watched your father die, your
> America die, your God die, your body
die, die
> die die; and today fathers are
watching their
> sons die, and their sons are watching
babies die,
> why? Why? How we both asked WHY?
> O
the sad sad awfulness of it all
>
>
<snip>
>
>
Aye, what happened to you, dear friend, compassionate
> friend, is what is happening to
everyone and
> thing of planet the clamorous sadly
desperate
> planet now one voice less ...
expendable as the
> wind ... gone, and who'll now blow
away the
> awful miasma of sick, sick and dying
> earthflesh-soul America
>
>
When you went on the road looking for America you found
> only what you put there and a man
seeking gold
> finds the only America there is to
find; and his
> investmentment and a poet's
investment ... the same
> when comes the crash, and it's
crashing, yet
> the windows are tight, are not for
jumping; from
> hell none e'er fell
>
> 4
>
>
<snip>
>
>
The ArcAngel Raphael was I to you
>
And I put the Cross of the Lord of Angels
>
upon you ... there
> on
the eve of a new world to explore
>
And you were flashed upon the old and darkling day
> a
Beat Christ-boy ... bearing the gentle roundness of things
>
insisting the soul was round not square
>
And soon ... behind thee
>
there came a-following
>
the children of flowers.
>
>
north beach, s.f. 1969 in Mindfield
>
>
dbr
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the
connections between Jack and America in the Corso poem and the
connection
of the "I" in Howl to the Beat Generation itself gave new
meanings
to this wonderful and famous ending:
OTR
"So
in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down
river
pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all
that
raw land that rolls in one unbelievable huge bulge over to the West
Coast,
and all that road going, all the people dreaming in the immensity
of it,
and in Iowa I know by now the children must be crying in the land
where
they let children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't
you
know that God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must be drooping and
shedding
her sparkler dims on the prairie, which is just before the
coming of
complete night that blesses the earth, darkens all the rivers,
cups
the peaks and folds the final shore in, and nobody, knows what's
going
to happen to anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I
think
of Dean Moriarty, I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father we
never
found, I think of Dean Moriarty."
dbr
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>me
too, it's possible also to send one copy to me? thanks
>
> Rinaldo Rasa
> via Morlaiter 2
> 30173 Venezia-Mestre
> ITALY
>
Rinaldo,
because of the high cost of overseas postage I would need you to
send at
least a couple of dollars to cover this and I will be glad to send
it to
you or anyone alse on this list. Thanks, Paul...
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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thank
you David, brought tears to my eyes... sherri
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Many of
the Barnes and Nobles around NYC are no longer putting the works
of Jack
Kerouac on their shelves. They still
stock a good assortment but
unlike
every other author in the fiction section, at several stores I
have
seen a sign in the K's where Kerouac should be, saying "For Jack
Kerouac,
see Bookkseller" At at least three
of the superstores, the
policy
is now to keep all the Kerouac works either in the stockroom or on
the
storage shelves high above the actual bookshelves.
Kerouac's
books apparently get shoplifted a lot because they are all
trade
paperbacks that are relatively expensive.
Still
this is no way to treat a great author.
They dont keep Mark Twain
or
Ernest Hemingway's works back in the stockroom, with a sign saying for
these
works see a bookkseller. Someone
wanting to browse some Kerouac at
these
stores (Union Square, 6th Ave,. Astor Place among others) cannot
easily
do so. They must ask the bookseller to
go get a copy of a Kerouac
out of
the backroom, and then give it back.
This is
horrible...*arg*
Richard
W.
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On Sun,
19 Oct 1997, Patricia Elliott wrote:
>
Matthew L Potter wrote:
>
>
>
> anyone have directions for making burroughs'
>
> inventions? I'd be
grateful.thanks. matt
>
>
>
> mlpotter@student.umass.edu
>
> i
know somewhere on the net and in print are different directions. I
>
have no immediate knowledge where. If i recall i will post to you. I do
>
remember one remark that william was disappointed that more people
>
didn't actually do it, but was satisfied reading and asking about it.
>
patricia
>
If you
can find it, there's a now out-of-print book:
Dream
Machine Plans
Brion
Gysin
Published
by A K Pr Distribution
Publication
date: January 1994
ISBN:
1871744504
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Gerry
Nicosia: Would you please send me a sample copy of the "Kerouac
Quarterly" Thank you.
My name and address is as follows:
Donald E. Winters
5705 43rd Avenue South
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55417.
Thank
you very much.
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Hi, I
am again going to make a shameless plug for my website. It has a
sound
clip of Kerouac reading the parts of the quote below. Please
visit
and contribute to my growing page.
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html
>the
connections between Jack and America in the Corso poem and the
>connection
of the "I" in Howl to the Beat Generation itself gave new
>meanings
to this wonderful and famous ending:
>
>OTR
>
"So
in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down
river
pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all
that
raw land that rolls in one unbelievable huge bulge over to the
WestCoast,
and all that road going, all the people dreaming in the
immensity
of it,
and in Iowa I know by now the children must be crying in the land
where
they let children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't
you
know that God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must be drooping and
shedding
her sparkler dims on the prairie, which is just before the
coming
of complete night that blesses the earth, darkens all the rivers,
cups
the peaks and folds the final shore in, and nobody, knows what's
going
to happen to anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I
think
of Dean Moriarty, I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father
wenever
found, I think of Dean Moriarty."
>dbr
>
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Dear
Listers,
It is
impossible to overstate the relevance of the Estate Debate to the
Beat-L
Listserv.
I am
reiterating my position here in response to several recent postings
to the
contrary.
As I
suspected all along, as more posts come in from the major players,
they
each show their true colors in their own way, whether that be by a
tight
argument or sloppy shot from the hip.
Anyone
uninterested should delete or unsubscribe. Period.
***
JOHN HASBROUCK
***
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Paul: I
would very much like to receive a sample copy of the "Kerouac
Quarterly". My name and address are as follows:
Donald E. Winters
5705 43rd Avenue South
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55417
Thank
you very much.
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Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>
>
James asked: "Do you have a recording
(of Railroad Earth) that is more
>
complete than the piece from the box set?"
>
> Heard it first on the Beat Generation
box set and more recently
>
bought the Jack box set, but only have those. Do the two parts that appear
> on
th Jack box set represent all of the text? Do other recordings of any of
>
this exist?
Antoine,
The
recordings I have heard are a fairly small snippet from October.
Last
October we talked about this piece abit and Marie Countryman posted
some
nice long sections. I would be hard put
to find those in my old
files
however.
As for
other recordings, I don't know. One of
the more learned JK
scholars
out there might have an answer.
Jame
Stauffer>
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>>i'm
very interested in seeing letter also. is there any way you could post it
>Dear
Marlene and others who have evinced an interest in Jack's last letter:
> First off, in answer to your question,
NO, ANN CHARTERS WILL NOT
>PUBLISH
THIS LETTER IN THE SECOND VOLUME OF KEROUAC'S SELECTED LETTERS.
> The letter we are speaking of was
written (typed) by Jack Kerouac to
Gerry,
You are
absolutely incredible. This post is not describably in the brief
minute
I have before showing up to work with some 2nd and 3rd graders at a
nearby
elementary school--helping with writing in their computer lab.
This is
what makes all this BS worthwhile. Good, solid, research by a fine
writer--and
a friend.
More
later,
joe
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Sunflower
Sutra
by
Allen Ginsberg
excerpts
I
walked on the banks of the tincan banana dock and sat down
under the huge shade of a Southern
Pacific locomotive to
look at the sunset over the box house
hills and cry.
Jack
Kerouac sat beside me on a busted rusty iron pole,
companion, we thought the same
thoughts of the soul,
bleak and blue and sad-eyed,
surrounded by the gnarled
steel roots of trees of machinery.
The
oily water on the river mirrored the red sky, sun sank on top
of final Frisco peaks, no fish in that
stream, no hermit in
those mounts, just ourselves
rheumy-eyed and hungover
like old bums on the riverbank, tired
and wily.
Look at
the Sunflower, he said, there was a dead gray shadow
against the sky, big as a man, sitting
dry on top of a pile of
ancient sawdust --
-- I
rushed up enchanted -- it was my first sunflower, memories
of Blake -- my visions -- Harlem
<snip>
So I
grabbed up the skeleton thick sunflower and stuck it at my
side like a scepter,
and
deliver my sermon to my soul, and Jack's soul too, and anyone
who'll listen,
--
We're not our skin of grime, we're not our dread bleak dusty
imageless locomotive, we're all
beautiful golden sunflowers
inside, we're blessed by our own seed
& golden hairy naked
accomplishment-bodies growing into mad
black formal sun-
flowers in the sunset, spied on by our
eyes under the shadow
of the mad locomotive riverbank sunset
Frisco hilly tincan
evening sitdown vision.
Berkeley
1955
thinking
of Jack today ---- (obviously <grin>)
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
(the
sunflower state <bigger grin>)
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RACE
--- wrote:
>
>
> Subject: Re: Saw Jack Kerouac at the grocery store
>
> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:32:59 -0500
>
> From: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@sunflower.com>
>
> To: race@midusa.net
>
> References: <336A1529.3DD8@midusa.net>
>
>
>
> oh god what a beautiful post? you should list it
>
> p
>
> RACE --- wrote:
>
> >
>
> > as i was pumping five bucks
>
> > into my 1974
>
> > guzzler
>
> > i gazed across the avenue
>
> > to see Jack
>
> > jumping out of the back
>
> > of an ugly green
>
> > pickup truck
>
> > with Vegas plates
>
> > and
>
> > I quickly paid for
>
> > my gasoline
>
> > and
>
> > zoooomed across
>
> > to the grocery market
>
> > i got a glimpse of him
>
> > saw him grabbing
>
> > four cans of spaghetti
>
> > sauce at 99cents
>
> > grabbed four myself.
>
> >
>
> > then in the frozen
>
> > foods he was a
>
> > blur
>
> > i grabbed
>
> > green giant broc & cauli
>
> > green giant corn
>
> > food club california mix
>
> > and some
>
> > azparagus
>
> > for good measure
>
> >
>
> > chased him down
>
> > and he threw
>
> > three huge potatoes at me
>
> > which i caught
>
> > at 2.42 cents a pound
>
> >
>
> > lost him then
>
> > got my lentils and Uncle Ben's
>
> > cause i liked the name
>
> > better than Minute Rice
>
> > two bags of sghatti noods
>
> >
>
> > and other junk
>
> > when i saw him heading
>
> > thru
>
> > the checkout stand
>
> > i checked out
>
> > at $32.15
>
> > almost fainted at the
>
> > bargain
>
> > zooomed off for
>
> > cheap cigarettes
>
> > and caught up with
>
> > him
>
> > at the House of Sight and Sound
>
> > trapped in a CD case
>
> > for $25.00
>
> > but had to pass
>
> > and took
>
> > Mimi and Richard Farina
>
> > for $16.00
>
> > instead.....
>
> >
>
> > hope you're having A Beautiful Day !!!
>
> > things are slowly drying up in
>
> > the puddles here.
>
> >
>
> > david
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Poem
by Jack Kerouac
Anyway
the time has come to explain
the Golden Eternity
and how
the iridescent paraphernalia of radiating candles
ceases
when mentation ceases
because
I know what it's like to die,
to cease mentating, one day I died,
I
fainted actually, I was stooping smelling
strapping
flowers in the cosmos yard
of my
mother's cozy flower house
in
Auffinsham Shire, in Queens,
and
stood up fast taking deep breath,
blood rushed from head, next thing I knew
woke up flat on my back in the grassy sun
and had been out fine minutes
And I
had seen the Golden Eternity.
The Lamb was alone with the Lamb.
The Babe was alone with the Baby Lamb.
The Shroud was alone with the Golden Shroud.
I was
alone with God, who
is God, who was Me,
who was All,
he stood high on a hill
overlooking Mexico City
radiating messages
out of a white Tiot
1958,
Northport
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My new
catalogue, Poets and Poetry, can be viewed at my website at
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Russell
duPont
Russell R.
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The
Estate Battle is or should be enormously important to all who value
Kerouac. This list *is* the proper place for its
discussion. As long as
its
done civilly and without name calling.
There
*is* a huge amount of money involved here.
If I were Nicosia, and
I could
get Memere Kerouac's will thrown out, establishing Jan as heir,
and
thus become in effect literary executor of Jack's estate, I would do
the
following:
1.
Renegotiate the "On the Road" movie rights. If Nicosia is right, the
Sampases
didnt really have the rights to sell movie options, therefore
any
current movie contract would be invalid.
Make Coppola and Paramount
shell
out a few million more bucks.
2.
Renegotiate any other rights associated with the OTR movie, including
the
mass market paperback OTR movie tie-in (OTR will likely become a best
seller
again when/if a movie comes out, so this is worth a hell of a lot
of
money if Nicosia can renegotiate)
3. Fire
Doug Brinkley as editor of Kerouac's Journals.
No one would be
more
qualified than Nicosia himself to do the editing, and he can
generate
the prestige and the editor's fees for himself.
4. Get
at least a million from a library for Kerouac's papers. If Im
Nicosa
I want my hundred grand cut to pay the lawyers fees!
5.
*Insist* that Ann Charters include Jack's last letter in the second
volume
of letters, no matter what John Sampas says.
There
are millions of dollars involved here.
Im sure Nicosia might do a
better
job than John Sampas with the estate.
But who knows?
RJW
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From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
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On Sun,
19 Oct 1997, Attila Gyenis wrote:
>
Also, while I was not in the main room at the infamous Jack Kerouac NYU
>
conference (I was in the lobby) where the altercation occurred between Jan
>
and company vs. Allen Ginsberg and company (where Jan and company were
>
escorted out)-- I understand that part of the furor was the huge banner that
>
was unfurled inside the conference room (that said 'Save Jack's Papers), and
>
that Allen's comment was that the conference was not the proper venue for
>
that topic. If I am wrong, please correct me.
Don't
remember seeing the banner, but if this happened it seems weird --
definitely
not Ginsberg's usual progressive-left hippie sensibilities of
"let's
all sit down and talk this through."
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Hello
everybody,
I did
not realize that I was treading on anybody's feet when I published
the
Kerouac clip that is on my site. I took
it from a box set called
The
Beat Generation. There is a CD in it
devoted to Kerouac's readings.
I
especially liked this selection so I used WDAC to rip it from the CD
and
publish it. I have recently been
contacted by Steve Voss at Beat
Cafe.
(A GREAT SITE VISIT IT IF YOU HAVEN'T)
He
feels that I cropped the clip from his page.
The intention was not
mine to
cause disharmony among us. His link is
now placed on my site,
as well
as this public apology. I feel that
this is enough to remedy
any
hard feelings.
Sincerely
apologetic
Keith
http://www.beatcafe.com
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html
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>
>One
I'm getting a bit curious, after all that's been going on in this list,
>is
Gerry Nicosia's "Memory Babe: A Critical Biography of Jack Keroauc",
can
>anyone
tell me how can I get it? who is the publisher? All that stuff?
>
>Maybe
Gerry himself could help me?
>
>thanks,
>daniel
caridade
>dcaridade@geocities.com
>
Dear
Daniel, Oct 20, 1997
Thanks for your interest in my
book. If you read Spanish, the
easiest
thing might be for you to get a copy of the Spanish translation from
Circe
Ediciones. Their address is Avenida
Diagonal, 459, 08036 Barcelona,
SPAIN
(Espana).
The English edition of MEMORY BABE is
distributed by Princeton
University. In the United States there is a toll-free
number,
1-800-822-6657. I don't know if it works from Portugal,
however. If it
doesn't,
you could try writing to California-Princeton Fulfillment Services,
1445
Lower Ferry Road, Ewing, New Jersey 08618.
I hope you enjoy the book. I
would also recommend, for its
spectacular
photos, Steven Turner's biography of Kerouac called ANGELHEADED
HIPSTER,
which is distributed by Viking/Penguin.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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>Paul
stated in his last post he wants to take it off the list.
>Bentz
wants to take it off the list. That
leaves one person left to
>say
he will take it off the list. Let's get
back to
>discussing
literature.
my potentially worthless 2 cents here. just a suggestion to think
about
what it is you're doing, those of you trying to force certain
topics
off of the list. you are censoring, in
a loosely defined sense
of the
word, yes, but it's a dangerous thing.
not because of any of
that
free speech 1st amendment crap, but because this is a
MULTI-FACETED
open forum, with MANY DIFFERENT interests and subtopics.
are we
supposed to not discuss a particular beat writer if a certain
group
of people don't like him? y'all say this list is about the lit,
but
it's not, it's about beat stuff, the lit, the lives, the culture,
the
theory, the music, all of it... including the more unappealing
sides
of it.. if something as minutely dreary as this estate topic
bothers
youu so much, I have to wonder how you cope with the truckload
of
daily inconveniences life throws at you.
I too get a little bugged
about
the massive amount of messages over this topic, but not because
of
their quantity, rather because of their quality; i welcome any
message
interesting and well-spoken concerning any topic if i feel that
i can
enhance my viewpoint on a subject, as i'm sure any of you do. so
maybe
your emphasis should be on removing the large body of messages
that
contain nothing but insults and other garbage, rather than the
topic
completely.. ignoring something is no way to solve it.. and you
can't
have a perfect list, people fight, some people clash with certain
others,
some people are just plain jerks, there is no perfect list..
trust
me, this list is one of the more civil ones out there on the
whole...
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>It
seems to me that there is room for a compromise here. Why cant
>*both*
>the
Sampas claims and Jan Kerouac's claims be thrown out, along with the
>wills,
and a third party designated by the courts named as executor.
>Someone
who has no financial interests in this, and is only committed to
>finding
the best place to preserve the Kerouac papers.
good idea! I nominate myself as the new executor of the Kerouac
estate,
anyone want to second that? hehehe....
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patricia
writes
memory
babe, is great, well done, beautiful, the best on jk i have read
or
seen.
p
Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
>
>
>
>
>One I'm getting a bit curious, after all that's been going on in this list,
>
>is Gerry Nicosia's "Memory Babe: A Critical Biography of Jack
Keroauc", can
>
>anyone tell me how can I get it? who is the publisher? All that stuff?
>
>
>
>Maybe Gerry himself could help me?
>
>
>
>thanks,
>
>daniel caridade
>
>dcaridade@geocities.com
>
>
>
Dear Daniel, Oct 20, 1997
> Thanks for your interest in my
book. If you read Spanish, the
>
easiest thing might be for you to get a copy of the Spanish translation from
>
Circe Ediciones. Their address is
Avenida Diagonal, 459, 08036 Barcelona,
>
SPAIN (Espana).
> The English edition of MEMORY BABE is
distributed by Princeton
>
University. In the United States there
is a toll-free number,
>
1-800-822-6657. I don't know if it
works from Portugal, however. If it
>
doesn't, you could try writing to California-Princeton Fulfillment Services,
>
1445 Lower Ferry Road, Ewing, New Jersey 08618.
> I hope you enjoy the book. I would also recommend, for its
>
spectacular photos, Steven Turner's biography of Kerouac called ANGELHEADED
>
HIPSTER, which is distributed by Viking/Penguin.
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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has
anyone attempted to build one of Reich's Orgone machines? If so what
was your
experience inside of one? If anyone is planning to open a used
book
store or a coffee shop these swell machines might come into some
use.
Just an idea.
jason
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From: Richard Wallner
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On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Tyson Ouellette wrote:
>
>It seems to me that there is room for a compromise here. Why cant
>
>*both*
>
>the Sampas claims and Jan Kerouac's claims be thrown out, along with the
>
>wills, and a third party designated by the courts named as executor.
>
>Someone who has no financial interests in this, and is only committed to
>
>finding the best place to preserve the Kerouac papers.
>
> good idea! I nominate myself as the new executor of the Kerouac
>
estate, anyone want to second that?
hehehe....
>
It
needs to be someone who agrees to NOT benefit financially from the
job. Who agrees to donate all executor's fees to
a Kerouac fund or
something. Nicosia should for instance agree to donate
any fees he
recieves
via his job as Jan's executor to the Jack Kerouac school for
Disemobdied
Poetics, or to someplace like that.
Jack deseves somebody
handling
these things who isnt in it for the money.
By
donating his cut, Nicosia would be proving that his motives are purer
than
the Sampases or anyone else's involved.
RJW
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From: "Michael R. Brown"
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On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
> Im
sure Nicosia might do a better job than John Sampas with the estate.
>
But who knows?
If love
and dedication is the standard, there's no doubt whose side the
angels
are on.
+ -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
Michael R. Brown foosi@global.california.com
+ -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
"Why can't it just
be, Michael?"
Simunye, in conversation with
Foosi, September 1997
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A model
of scholarship as I have said more than once to Gerald Nicosia.
though
the NY Times felt that there was too much input from people who knew
Jack
kerouac, I felt that there could have been more instead of the textual
analysis
which
would have made the book three times larger. But, it is his book and a
definite
feather in his hat. It will be interesting to see how it holds up
next to
one that claims to be "definitive" (Ellis Amburn's)and
"authorized"
Douglas
Brinkley. Though, to be fair, they have a lot more to go on now than
Gerry
did when he was researching his book. Paul....
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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>
> Im sure Nicosia might do a better job than John Sampas with the estate.
>
> But who knows?
>
> If
love and dedication is the standard, there's no doubt whose side the
>
angels are on.
>
I dont
get it.
The
list moderator kindly asked
this
thread be canceled
yet
i've gotten 50 non-beat
related
e-mails about the stupid
fight.
politics
are for people not capable of their own thoughts.
That's
why we get politicans.
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Hello
Again,
I have
added a new sound clip to ever growing site!
Keep those
submissions
coming, I can handle all you can give me(with a litte time).
Right
now, everything I have is on the site.
If you
go to the Kerouac page, you will find a small portion of a song
called
kerouazy by Don Morrow.
I added
this for a few reasons
1) To
dispell rumors that my page is simply a rip off of other great and
more
established sites.
2) To
prove that I am always updating littel things to make my site more
enjoyable
for you.
3) The
song is a tribute to Kerouac, who has earned my respect and love.
4) To
satisfy my urge to contribute to this growing community of people.
Thank
you so much for your support and remember I NEED MORE ESSAYS,
POEMS,
SHORT STORIES, AND RANDOM COMMENTS!!!!
Thank
you,
Keith
Medline
PS
don't forget to sign my guestbook, it helps me know who to send site
update
information to! Thank you.
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Subject: faux pas, n'est pas?
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>
did i hallucinate or did i not send a 'howl with whine chaser' to the
list?
>
it's really weird feeling like you can hear a pin drop after farting
at the
>
crowned head'o'states banquet table for the queen of xavier.
>
duh?
> mc
>
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From: Sherri
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Subject: Re: The estate battle
forgive
me - but this has nothing to do with American politics and it's a VERY
Beat
subject. the misfortune is that instead
of its being an enlightened and
enlightening
open, honest debate, it's been a personal battle between people
whose
interests clash and who resort to tearing each other down.
the
discussion should, IMHO be allowed, but anyone who continues to post
slanderous,
libelling, childish posts should be dumped off the list after a
warning
or two.
ciao,
sherri
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:16 AM
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Subject: Re: The estate battle
>
> Im sure Nicosia might do a better job than John Sampas with the estate.
>
> But who knows?
>
> If
love and dedication is the standard, there's no doubt whose side the
>
angels are on.
>
I dont
get it.
The
list moderator kindly asked
this
thread be canceled
yet
i've gotten 50 non-beat
related
e-mails about the stupid
fight.
politics
are for people not capable of their own thoughts.
That's
why we get politicans.
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From: Sherri
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Subject: Re: Estate Battle, John Hasbrouck
Richard,
while that's noble, Gerry or anyone else does deserve something for
the
huge amount of work this can entail.
unless the executor is someone who
is
independently wealthy, s/he couldn't work a second job in order to put food
on the
table.
given
dear Jack's ever-growing popularity,
there will be even more to do in
the
coming years.
ciao,
sherri
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:45 AM
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Estate Battle, John Hasbrouck
On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Tyson Ouellette wrote:
>
>It seems to me that there is room for a compromise here. Why cant
>
>*both*
>
>the Sampas claims and Jan Kerouac's claims be thrown out, along with the
>
>wills, and a third party designated by the courts named as executor.
>
>Someone who has no financial interests in this, and is only committed to
>
>finding the best place to preserve the Kerouac papers.
>
> good idea! I nominate myself as the new executor of the Kerouac
>
estate, anyone want to second that?
hehehe....
>
It
needs to be someone who agrees to NOT benefit financially from the
job. Who agrees to donate all executor's fees to
a Kerouac fund or
something. Nicosia should for instance agree to donate
any fees he
recieves
via his job as Jan's executor to the Jack Kerouac school for
Disemobdied
Poetics, or to someplace like that.
Jack deseves somebody
handling
these things who isnt in it for the money.
By
donating his cut, Nicosia would be proving that his motives are purer
than
the Sampases or anyone else's involved.
RJW
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this is off the "beat" subject but,
On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Entropy Operator wrote:
>
politics are for people not capable of their own thoughts.
>
That's why we get politicans.
I'd
rethink that statement.
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"Howl
With Whine Chaser" was tres amusing, Marie! Thanks for sharing it
with
us...especially at a time like this, when the list can *definitely*
use
some lightening up!
Jym
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>
From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Subject: faux pas, n'est pas?
>
Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 10:30 AM
>
>
> did i hallucinate or did i not send a 'howl with whine chaser' to the
>
list?
>
> it's really weird feeling like you can hear a pin drop after farting
> at
the
>
> crowned head'o'states banquet table for the queen of xavier.
>
> duh?
>
> mc
>
>
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You did
get my overwhelmed into speechlessness review? If not let me
know
and I will dig it oufrom my treasured archives.
Admiring
fan with love
leon
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:30:20 +0000
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>From:
Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>
>Subject: faux pas, n'est pas?
>To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>>
did i hallucinate or did i not send a 'howl with whine chaser' to the
>list?
>>
it's really weird feeling like you can hear a pin drop after farting
>at
the
>>
crowned head'o'states banquet table for the queen of xavier.
>>
duh?
>>
mc
>>
>.-
>
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From: Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: faux pas, n'est pas?
marie-
are you
trying to start an argument here or what? this is no place for
that
kind of nonsense. we're a beat discussion group, focused on the
discussion
of beat literature, and surely none of us would ever use this
as a
public forum to debate personal issues. :)
so how
was the trip?
group-
really
diggin a book i just got- the letters of wsb, 1945-1956. gives
great
insight to his beliefs and thoughts of america, junk, etc. in a
series
of letters to allen and jack, he talks about the writing of junky,
and all
the editing he put into it. i think the reason he was big on the
cut and
paste thing is because he made so many refinements that he just
ended
up losing half the book.
interesting
stuff in this here book. highly recommended for those who
haven't
seen it, and would like to discuss with those who have.
peace-
bob
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On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Sherri wrote:
>
Richard, while that's noble, Gerry or anyone else does deserve something for
>
the huge amount of work this can entail.
unless the executor is someone who
> is
independently wealthy, s/he couldn't work a second job in order to put food
> on
the table.
Nicosia
has doubtless made plenty of money from "Memory Babe" and his
other
writing endeavors. When you become an
executor of a "friend's"
estate,
you should want to do so out of love, not money.
Would
Nicosia have accepted the job if the cut was 5% or 2%. Where does
personal
interest end and financial interest begin?
Everyone involved in
this is
hip deep in greed of one form or another.
Jack
Kerouac died broke and all these people want is to make money off of
him....very
sad.
RJW
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it must
have been the speechless review. hence, invisibility! oh leon i am
in such
high and mischevous spirits today! i think i already wrote you
about
my growing train stash and my whiriling about. i'm unpacked vacuumed
shrunk
lawyered poeted and many other things.
oh yeh:
i got john berryman out of library i want to be able to read and
understand
his dream songs.
bye!
love
and hugs
us!
Leon
Tabory wrote:
>
You did get my overwhelmed into speechlessness review? If not let me
>
know and I will dig it oufrom my treasured archives.
>
>
Admiring fan with love
>
>
leon
>
>
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15:30:20 +0000
>
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>
>Subject: faux pas, n'est pas?
>
>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>
>
>> did i hallucinate or did i not send a 'howl with whine chaser' to the
>
>list?
>
>> it's really weird feeling like you can hear a pin drop after farting
>
>at the
>
>> crowned head'o'states banquet table for the queen of xavier.
>
>> duh?
>
>> mc
>
>>
>
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>
>
>
>
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Subject: a feeble attempt to honor Jack
OCTOBER
20, 1997
(Supplication
to the Soul of Jack Kerouac)
where
is Jack's
ghost
today?
hope
it's
sitting
beside me
reminding
me
it
doesn't have to be
this
way.
sing to
me Jack
little
Boddhi of the western world
sing me
back
to the
America
that is
a dream,
to the
soul
in the
steam stream
gears piers mountains
moons Junes
tunes
of a
time that maybe never was
and yet
ever will be
then
come sit like a lotus
with me
in
sweet sorrowful tragic infinite
compassion
sherri
sarantakis
10/20/97
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Richard,
i have no idea if Gerry would do it for free or not... why are you
so sure
that he is being motivated by money? i
personally have no way of
knowing
how much money may be a part of his motivation, but i have gotten a
sense
that his love of both Jan andn Ti Jean is sincere.
it
would be my wish that whoever manages the estate do it with knowledge, love
and
proper care. and in order to be sure
that that person would continue the
job in that
vein, i'd hope s/he would be paid enough to be comfortable, so
s/he
wouldn't quit the job because it's too cumbersome or consuming too much
time
away from an income-producing joband family, if there is one. why does
it
matter who gets the $$$, so long as the estate is managed skillfully,
properly,
lovingly and honestly?
ciao,
sherri
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On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Sherri wrote:
>
Richard, while that's noble, Gerry or anyone else does deserve something for
>
the huge amount of work this can entail.
unless the executor is someone who
> is
independently wealthy, s/he couldn't work a second job in order to put
food
> on
the table.
Nicosia
has doubtless made plenty of money from "Memory Babe" and his
other
writing endeavors. When you become an
executor of a "friend's"
estate,
you should want to do so out of love, not money.
Would
Nicosia have accepted the job if the cut was 5% or 2%. Where does
personal
interest end and financial interest begin?
Everyone involved in
this is
hip deep in greed of one form or another.
Jack
Kerouac died broke and all these people want is to make money off of
him....very
sad.
RJW
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Bill
Gargan wrote:
>
>
The anniversary of Jack Kerouac's death will be upon us in a couple of
>
days. (it is now here) I have asked both Gerry Nicosia and Paul
Maher to
drop discussion
> of
this topic on the Beat-l list. In honor
of Kerouac's gentleness and
> compassion,
I call for everyone on the list to declare a moratorium on
>
this topic. (snip)
This issue will be settled in the
courts. Anyone
>
wishing to discuss the matter further should do so via private email.
We
haven't learned anything this time that wasn't gone over in more
detail
and with even greater nastiness last April.
To
honor Jack, can we have a hiatus, a
cooling off period, a break?
In
respect for Bill Gargan, also, who created this list that we all
love.
In a sense we are all guests in Bill's house here. He is a
tolerant
host. But probably not infinitly
patient. This was posted a
day ago
and everyone is still going strong.
js
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>Nicosia
has doubtless made plenty of money from "Memory Babe" and his
>other
writing endeavors. When you become an
executor of a "friend's"
>estate,
you should want to do so out of love, not money.
>
>Would
Nicosia have accepted the job if the cut was 5% or 2%. Where does
>personal
interest end and financial interest begin?
Everyone involved in
>this
is hip deep in greed of one form or another.
>
>Jack
Kerouac died broke and all these people want is to make money off of
>him....very
sad.
>
>RJW
I doubt
that "all these people want is to make money off of him."
There
are real issues being debated in this estate battle. Maybe debated is
the
wrong word, but I certainly think that a fair amount of real info comes
through
beyond all the personal shit being thrown.
Why do
we always reduce peoples' motives to the almighty dollar? How can we
presume
to say what a "friend" should do? How do we know that someone
"has
doubtless
made plenty of money from "Memory Babe" and his other writing
endeavors."
Why are so many people so judgemental of others?
28
years ago today I was debating whether I should stay in college or not.
Jack
lay on his death bed. I stayed in school and 2 1/2 years later quit to
go on
the road. Maybe 5 years later I finally read Kerouac. Now,at 46, my
life is
so much different than what it might have been like had I not gone
on the
road, traveled a different path had not read Han Shan, T'ao Ch'ien,
Jack
Kerouac, Lew Welch, Gary Snyder. They all point the way to other
existences
than what is expected
of us
in the normal course of late 20th century America.
I'll
flip another tab off the Genny Cream Ale and sit back to read a little
of the
"Scripture of the Golden Eternity" by Jack:
"Up
in heaven you wont remember all these tricks of yours. You wont even
sigh
"Why?" Whether as atomic dust or as great cities, what's the
difference
in all this stuff? A tree is still only a rootdrinker. The
puma's twisted
face continues to look at the blue sky with sightless eyes.
Ah
sweet divine and indescribable and verdurous paradise planted in
mid-air!
Caitanya, it's only consciousness. Not with thoughts of your mind,
but in
the believing sweetness of your heart, you snap the link and open
the
golden door and disappear into the bright room, the everlasting
ecstasy,
eternal Now. Soldier, follow me! - there never was a war. Arjuna,
don't
fight! - why fight over nothing? Bless and sit down."
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Sherri,
this executorship wouldnt be a fulltime job.
It is not like
court
cases and book deals pop up all the time.
Why couldnt Gerry
establish
a scholarship fund with his 10% cut, something in his or Jan's
name,
or in Jack's memory. Have Jan's estate
forward any Nicosia checks
into
this fund.
He'd
still get the tax writeoff. It would be
a noble thing to do.
RJW
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Hello
Sherri
A
feeble song? I know the answer. You feel humble today. All the more
reaching
its destination, our hearts. The sweet sadness of Jack's life
and
yearnings keeps whispering to us in your words today.
Love
leon
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:29:36 UT
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>Subject: a feeble attempt to honor Jack
>To:
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>
>OCTOBER
20, 1997
>(Supplication
to the Soul of Jack Kerouac)
>
>where
is Jack's
>ghost
today?
>hope
it's
>sitting
beside me
>reminding
me
>it
doesn't have to be
>this
way.
>
>sing
to me Jack
>little
Boddhi of the western world
>sing
me back
>to
the America
>that
is a dream,
>to
the soul
>in
the steam stream
> gears piers mountains
> moons Junes
tunes
>of
a time that maybe never was
>and
yet ever will be
>
>then
come sit like a lotus
>with
me
>in
sweet sorrowful tragic infinite
> compassion
>
>sherri
sarantakis
>10/20/97
>.-
>
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On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Bob Lewis wrote:
>
group-
>
really diggin a book i just got- the letters of wsb, 1945-1956. gives
>
great insight to his beliefs and thoughts of america, junk, etc. in a
>
series of letters to allen and jack, he talks about the writing of junky,
>
and all the editing he put into it. i think the reason he was big on the
>
cut and paste thing is because he made so many refinements that he just
>
ended up losing half the book.
>
interesting stuff in this here book. highly recommended for those who
>
haven't seen it, and would like to discuss with those who have.
bob
(and anyone else), i'd love to hear your thoughts on this book. i just
bought
it this weekend, haven't yet looked at it past the initial
skim-through
at the bookstore but it looks like there's a lot of good stuff
inside.
am especially interested in how he came to refining his work,
tracing
the path of his writing in this trail of letters and the thoughts he
shared
w/ allen and jack along the way.
attaching
myself to an expedition, in a somewhat vague capacity, to be
sure--
m
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Ah,
indeed you need to rethink this statement.
In America Politician
has
become sunonomous with evil. We
distrust our ministers. Read the
book by
James Morone called "The Democratic Wish" It is more likely
that
the American People choose the wrong people to give them reform.
i.e=
Jackson
Okay
enough about that. Political statements
are the driving force in
most
literature of merit. Please do not
condemn politicians, or the
people
that elect them, more likely retract your statement and accept
the
political system in American is flawed.
Inherently it cannot work.
Our
federalist constitution ensures this.
We gain protection from
radical
ideas and sweeping reform at the cost of a gridlocked
governmental
institution. Checks and balances are
the true culprits you
need to
address not the pawns(politicians...)
Thank
you
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Tomorrow
is my 44th birthday. It is also the
anniversary of the date
Jack
was declared dead. It is hard to
believe I was 16 then. When I
was in
San Francisco I went into the Catholic Cathedral next to Jackson
Park
(?) off Grant Ave. Gerry told me it was
the Church that Jack took
Ma Mere
to mass when she was in San Francisco.
I felt a strong presence
there
and lite a candle for Jack, Ma Mere, Neal and Allen.
Today,
I lift my heart up to the universal light in warm thoughts of
these
souls and of the sad death of Jack Kerouac.
May we all learn from
the
knowledge he passed to us and from the mistakes he made.
This
light touch,
Prophet,
voyeur,
Follower,
rememberer.
This
hollow echo
Of
alcohol.
This
special honored
Place
within.
This
knowledge imparted,
Accepted
as grace.
Amen,
amen,
For the
soul of our brother Jack.
--
Bentz
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oh leon i am
>in
such high and mischevous spirits today!
Contagious
across the continent
i think
i already wrote you
>about
my growing train stash and my whiriling about.
Not the
whiriling yet.
i'm unpacked vacuumed
>shrunk
lawyered poeted,
and many other things.
What a
dramaturg you are. Didn't you once say that I am teasing you
sometimes.
This time who is doing the teasing?
Shrunk, lawyered and
poeted
and what?
>oh
yeh: i got john berryman out of library i want to be able to read
and
>understand
his dream songs.
I see,
libraried don't make it. Not quite yet demystified. Some reading
to do.
Hey that's what I better get back to.
bye!
>love
and hugs
>us!
Now you
are byed and loved and hugged again
>
leon
>Leon
Tabory wrote:
>
>>
You did get my overwhelmed into speechlessness review? If not let me
>>
know and I will dig it oufrom my treasured archives.
>>
>>
Admiring fan with love
>>
>>
leon
>>
>>
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997
15:30:20 +0000
>>
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>>
>From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>
>>
>Subject: faux pas, n'est pas?
>>
>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>>
>
>>
>> did i hallucinate or did i not send a 'howl with whine chaser' to
the
>>
>list?
>>
>> it's really weird feeling like you can hear a pin drop after
farting
>>
>at the
>>
>> crowned head'o'states banquet table for the queen of xavier.
>>
>> duh?
>>
>> mc
>>
>>
>>
>.-
>>
>
>>
>>
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after
other readings, discs, i have on dylan's time out of mind. what an
outtasight
was to gentle me down. sorry for timewarp language but it
takes
me back to the gentle hopeful days of that era. continutity
counts.
bless
you jack
ddylan
sings for you, too.
salut
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Richard
Wallner wrote:
>
. . . this executorship wouldn't be a
fulltime job.
Guys,
Guys,
Who the
hell are we to decide how much of a job this is and how much it
should
pay? Personally, I hope whoever winds
up with the task does a
good
job and makes good money. Who elected
any of us here to decide
where
to put the money? I certainly don't
want a Commisar of Salaries
decided
what I should be allowed to make.
Richard, who decides what you
are
allowed to earn? Given your objection
to earning money I would
assume
that it is a trust fund or an allowance.
If you had a family to
feed,
bills to pay, etc, you might not regard some sort of decent
remuneration
as a bad thing. Gerry's compensation
(in the event he gets
any) is
absolutely none of my business or yours.
J
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Subject: Re: Estate Battle, John Hasbrouck
i'm
sorry Richard, i do think it would be close to a full time job - at least
for
awhile. however, i do sympathise with
the nobility you call for... i
just
don't know how possible it is for anyone to do such a thing unless s/he
has a
lot of $$$ at her/his disposal.... and
i'd hate to see a good executor
quit
due to lack of funds or time...
ciao,
sherri
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Sherri,
this executorship wouldnt be a fulltime job.
It is not like
court
cases and book deals pop up all the time.
Why couldnt Gerry
establish
a scholarship fund with his 10% cut, something in his or Jan's
name,
or in Jack's memory. Have Jan's estate
forward any Nicosia checks
into
this fund.
He'd
still get the tax writeoff. It would be
a noble thing to do.
RJW
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thanks,
Michael, for the beautiful quote. it's
from a work i don't know, so
i'll be
looking for it...
ciao,
sherri
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Michael Czarnecki
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Subject: Golden Eternity
>Nicosia
has doubtless made plenty of money from "Memory Babe" and his
>other
writing endeavors. When you become an
executor of a "friend's"
>estate,
you should want to do so out of love, not money.
>
>Would
Nicosia have accepted the job if the cut was 5% or 2%. Where does
>personal
interest end and financial interest begin?
Everyone involved in
>this
is hip deep in greed of one form or another.
>
>Jack
Kerouac died broke and all these people want is to make money off of
>him....very
sad.
>
>RJW
I doubt
that "all these people want is to make money off of him."
There
are real issues being debated in this estate battle. Maybe debated is
the
wrong word, but I certainly think that a fair amount of real info comes
through
beyond all the personal shit being thrown.
Why do
we always reduce peoples' motives to the almighty dollar? How can we
presume
to say what a "friend" should do? How do we know that someone
"has
doubtless
made plenty of money from "Memory Babe" and his other writing
endeavors."
Why are so many people so judgemental of others?
28
years ago today I was debating whether I should stay in college or not.
Jack
lay on his death bed. I stayed in school and 2 1/2 years later quit to
go on
the road. Maybe 5 years later I finally read Kerouac. Now,at 46, my
life is
so much different than what it might have been like had I not gone
on the
road, traveled a different path had not read Han Shan, T'ao Ch'ien,
Jack
Kerouac, Lew Welch, Gary Snyder. They all point the way to other
existences
than what is expected
of us
in the normal course of late 20th century America.
I'll
flip another tab off the Genny Cream Ale and sit back to read a little
of the
"Scripture of the Golden Eternity" by Jack:
"Up
in heaven you wont remember all these tricks of yours. You wont even
sigh
"Why?" Whether as atomic dust or as great cities, what's the
difference
in all this stuff? A tree is still only a rootdrinker. The
puma's
twisted face continues to look at the blue sky with sightless eyes.
Ah sweet
divine and indescribable and verdurous paradise planted in
mid-air!
Caitanya, it's only consciousness. Not with thoughts of your mind,
but in
the believing sweetness of your heart, you snap the link and open
the
golden door and disappear into the bright room, the everlasting
ecstasy,
eternal Now. Soldier, follow me! - there never was a war. Arjuna,
don't
fight! - why fight over nothing? Bless and sit down."
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From: Sherri
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Subject: favorite JK poem
my
favorite Kerouac poem to date:
The
Moon
The
moon her magic be, big sad face
of
infinity An illuminated clay ball
Manifesting
many gentlemanly remarks
She
kicks a star, clouds foregather
In
Scimitar shape, to round her
Cadle
out, upsidedown any old time
You can
also let the moon foolyou
With
imaginary orange-balls
of
blazing imaginary light in fright
As
eyeballs, hurt and foregathered,
Wink to
the wince of the seeing
Of a
little sprightly otay
Which
projects spikes of light
Out the
round smooth blue balloon
Ball
full of mountains and moons
Deep as
the ocean, high as the moon,
low as
the lowliest river lagoon
Fish in
the Tar and pull in the Spar
Billy
de Budd and Hanshan Emperor
And all
wall moongazers since
Daniel
Machree, Yeats see
Gaze at
the moon ocean marking
the
face ----
In
some cases
The
moon is you
In any
case
The moon
thanks
for the beauty, Ti Jean. hope yr
boppin' around the stars
ciao,
sherri
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Subject: Re: dylan and jack
marie -
so GLAD to have you back!!! haven't had
a chance to read your "howl"
post -
it's at home. but the tenderness and
fun in this post, brought a tear
to my
eye.
hope
you had a GREAT trip!!!
ciao,
sherri
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Marie Countryman
Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:19 AM
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Subject: dylan and jack
after
other readings, discs, i have on dylan's time out of mind. what an
outtasight
was to gentle me down. sorry for timewarp language but it
takes
me back to the gentle hopeful days of that era. continutity
counts.
bless
you jack
ddylan
sings for you, too.
salut
mc
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Okay
here it is.
Information Laid To Waste
There is this notion that Beat literature
should not be taught in
the
schools. Even at the University level i
find it hard to take
classes
on the subject. In the Norton Anthology(abridged)
there is only
one
reference to the beat generation...."Howl" by Ginser. While this is
an
important piece, would not America be a better selection from Ginser?
Where
is Kerouac, where is Lew, and Burroughs?
These men were certainly
influencial? Was Howl chosen because it seems
begnign? I am unsure of
this. Perhaps people still cannot accept that the
beat movement forced
us to
all think as a society. Look at our
vocabulary. The common
colloqialisms
that we use are derived a lot from the speech of popular
beat
phrases. Is this inforamtion laid to
waste. Will the next
generation
have to work even harder than I to discover this important
American
movement? Jazz, Poetry, and art? A rennaisance in America,
unnoticed
because of the times. It seems like
such a travesty.
Keith
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I was
referring rather to the philosophical viewpoint of Nietzsche and
Foucault. "Will to Power" -- will to
politics. Follow me?
Dana
On Mon,
20 Oct 1997, Keith Medline wrote:
>
Ah, indeed you need to rethink this statement.
In America Politician
>
has become sunonomous with evil. We
distrust our ministers. Read the
>
book by James Morone called "The Democratic Wish" It is more likely
>
that the American People choose the wrong people to give them reform.
>
i.e= Jackson
>
Okay enough about that. Political
statements are the driving force in
>
most literature of merit. Please do not
condemn politicians, or the
>
people that elect them, more likely retract your statement and accept
>
the political system in American is flawed.
Inherently it cannot work.
>
Our federalist constitution ensures this.
We gain protection from
>
radical ideas and sweeping reform at the cost of a gridlocked
>
governmental institution. Checks and
balances are the true culprits you
>
need to address not the pawns(politicians...)
>
Thank you
>
keith
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