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On Mon,
27 Oct 1997, Cathy Wilkie wrote:
>
> i wasn't going to head to wichita cuz my step-dad is in the hosptial but
>
> i'm going to shift gears and leave him to the doctors and head down to
>
> see Wichita and visit Pat O'Connor and the Wichita State Library (and
>
> look for some books so i can ask questions about them)....
>
>
okay okay i have to say it :
>
>
Anybody ever heard of a band call soul coughing????
>
>
(true dreams of wichita???)
>
>
some are claiming that the lyricist/singer is the newest thing in beat
>
poetry, but in all interviews i've read about them, he says, "no man, i
>
just like playing around with words."
>
>
give a listen to them if you can, in particular their cd "ruby vroom"
> cw
>
Never
listened to them, but a friend wanted "Ruby" for his birthday so I
bought
it for him and the clerk was all happies and smiles about
them...maybe
I shoulda opened the CD and listened to it before gifting
Scotty
with it! :)
(Hi
Cathie)
Jorgiana
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Well you attack my poem on the grounds
that it is quite
unpatriotic. The fact remains though that I have thrown
out facts.
Solid
facts, you have told me your feelings, those little demons that
Hemingway
says betray us in our hour of need.
If you have been living under a rock in
the US you need to know
that
the stock market fell over 556(?) points today. It was the BIGGEST
crash
in history (volume wise, not percentage)
The stock market is a great indicator of
how people feel about this
country
and its prosects and hopes in the global web as defined by
Robert
Reich. Today we see once again that
Americans are for the most
part
cowards. They have seen a small hole in
the damn and instead of
patching
it they ran for shelter.
If you want to talk about cowardice look
at it. There is the prime
example. Had the American people stayed with their
holding instead of
getting
scared at the sky falling, they would have bolstered this
economy.
It is much like the confedrate charge on
litte round top where
Chamberlain
told his men to hold fast till the last man, last bullet,
last
breath. Then counter-attack and seize
the moment. Had Americans
taken a
history lesson they could have seen that there is NO need for
the
market to fall %11.7 since last WED.
Rather they could have reduced
this
and then used that leverage to buy out other markets while the
American
economy is strong.
The home of the cowards, an example in
progress. Now in responding
I will
only request that you use facts. Not
feelings and opinions, but
hard
facts. I am quickly tiring of armchair
politicians critiqing my
poem on
shaky facts.
Your input has been vital as I am currently reworking the poem.
Bless
you all. i am even considering the
fundamental change that i
fight
so bitterly against....USA to World.
The world is quickly shrinking and
perhaps it is time to the world
for its
injustices.
Keith
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Lemme
know about this group deal...I'm in Fayetteville, Ark., and dig this
whole
scenario...been looking for an excuse to go back up to Lawrence,
anyhow!
Carry
On My Brothers!
Don Lee
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at my
church's used book store i found am ugly looking hardback copy
of
herman hesse's siddartha. for only a quarter. that was yesterday.
randy
> i
found two copies of Maggie Cassidy 1st edition at a place called Manny's,
> an
art supply/used book store in New Paltz New York. and the price i
>
paid...12 cents each. yes...that is
right...12 cents each. this was in
>
1976.
>
>
john j dorfner
>
>
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Keith,
Your
hypothetical case about left-handed and right-handed people was not
as
far-fetched as you suppose. Way back when I started grammar school (in
Chicago,
not in some rural school), the teachers tried to "convert" me
from
being left-handed as a writer: I had to show up to school a half hour
before
everyone else to practice writing with my right hand, and to stay
after
school a half hour for the same purpose. I was also given extra
homework
to do right-handed. About halfway through second grade, the
teacher
finally gave up: she said that at least she could read what I had
been
writing left-handed, which she couldn't do with my right-handed
writing.
One result was that I worked especially hard on the clarity of my
script:
I never wanted them to pick on me like that again. Oh, and
interestingly
enough, I started stuttering during first grade; after the
teacher
said that I could go back to left-handed writing, I have never
stuttered
again.
Cordially,
Mike
Skau
10/27/97
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to
Michael as he's slipping a covert horseshoe into Gerry's glove.
Very
nice touch Michael...that's what I'm looking for - an ample mix of
humour
and thought! and no stridency....grace undr pressure.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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technical foul :)
the Committee
dbr
*********************
David,
It's about time we got back to the basketball model!
...where's my list of the
sides we chose up last time
around!
I love it!
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
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Congratulations
Gerry. Are you the recipient or Kaufman or both. Do they
have an
award for editing and one for the original work? Especially nice to
see
what Gary Glazner said about his conversation with Elain Kaufman. Anyone
interested
will find that the City Lights web site does a nice job of
showing
off other work by Kaufman.
Antoine ....still reeling from that punch with the
"salted"
glove
thanks
a bunch michael
************************
from
Gerry Nicosia:
>Hi
to everyone! Oct 27, 1997
> Just wanted to explain that I'll be scarce
for a few days since I'm
>headed
down to L.A. to collect the PEN USA CENTER WEST award for the Bob
>Kaufman
book I edited (posthumously) called CRANIAL GUITAR (Coffee House
>Press). Bob's book was picked as the best poetry
book in the Western United
>States
last year. The awards ceremony is at
the Biltmore in downtown L.A.
>starting
6:30 Tuesday evening. Supposed to be
movie stars reading the
>award-winning
books. Sounds like a kick.
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
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At
19:32 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Does
anyone know anything about this writer/poet?
All I've go is what
>little
I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).
>After
searching all the library systems in the state, I found one
>collection
of his work. Does anyone know where I
could find some good
>background
info? The resources here are limited
(as one can tell from the
>above
statement). If anyone knows of an
anthology or article or book with
>some
info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally grateful.
>
>------------------
>Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
>http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
>
If you
mean Ted Joans, I think they have a pretty good sampling of his work
in the
Lipton Collection at USC. I seem to
recall seeing some titles on
Nettie
Lipton's bookshelf, and I believe all of her small press collection
was
sold to SC after her death. John
Ahouse, the American Literature
specialist
at Doheny Memorial Library, will probably be able to tell you a lot.
Good
luck,
John
Maynard
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Hello,
Wondering
if anyone knows if the movie Subterraneans is on video? I
haven't
been able to locate it in Tallahassee. Notorious as it is, I'm
thinking
of writing about it in relation to the book for academic project
as an
example of popular media spin on the Beats.
If anyone knows how I
might
get hold of it please let me know.
Also
trying to find Poetry Readings in the Cellar by Ferlinghetti and
Rexroth. Maybe some could make a copy of it for
me for sale, barter,
blackmail.
In
need,
Preston
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James
Stauffer wrote:
>Don't
remember the PEN crew paying much attention to Kaufman when he was
>among
us.
>
Ditto
for Jack Kerouac and Lowell.
--Gerry Nicosia
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Anne
Sneddon wrote:
> On
a related subject, has anybody out there found a Kerouac early edition
>
paperback in a thrift store? I had a fleeting vision recently about
>
finding a 1st edition copy of OTR in a thrift store and have been
>
extra-throrough when going through the book section. Nothing so far, but
> I
have found a few neato 50's/60's Ace science fiction paperbacks which
>
are worth it for the cover art alone!
At the
hospital where I work the volunteer department collects book
donations
and stocks a little rack in the lobby, 25 cents a book. Mostly
romance
and Reader's Digest crap, but once in a while, pure gold....I
picked
up a 2nd printing of the first Grove paperback edition of "The
Subterraneans,"
and another time three Chandler Brossard novels. What a
deal!
Jym
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First
off, it's Ted JOANS.
There's
a great poem by Joans and an interview of him by Gerry Nicosia in
"The
Beat Vision," edited by Arthur & Kit Knight (Paragon House Publishers,
New
York 1987).
----------
>
From: Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Subject: Ted Jones
>
Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:32 PM
>
>
Does anyone know anything about this writer/poet? All I've go is what
>
little I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).
>
After searching all the library systems in the state, I found one
>
collection of his work. Does anyone
know where I could find some good
>
background info? The resources here are
limited (as one can tell from
the
>
above statement). If anyone knows of an
anthology or article or book
with
>
some info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally
grateful.
>
>
------------------
>
Alex Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>
kh14586@am.appstate.edu
P.O. Box 12149
>
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586
Boone, NC 28608
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Baseball...
(with apologies to Patricia)
The
poet Robert Kelly of Brooklyn wrote, some time ago, a dialogue about the
virtues
and meaning of baseball. One speaker is
passionate about the sport
and the
other can't understand his friend's enthusiasm. If you are
interested
in reading the piece it is available on the WWW at URL:
http://www.clark.net/pub/cosmic/kellya.html
I
believe Kerouac's interest in baseball was a combination of his general
athleticism
and the data set of baseball: the orderly historical records
that
the sport has obsessed itself with. Kerouac was very much a database
ball
builder keeping real records for his imaginary baseball universe and
for his
reality based Dracut Tigers. (His interest in horse racing might
also be
related to his record-keeping, recording personality.)
The
beauty of BEAT-L, I can ask Gerry Nicosia the following trivial question:
It's
about whether or not Skippy Roberge really played for the Dracut
Tigers. You suggest in Memory Babe that Jack and Scotty drafted Skippy to
help
the team improve on its dismal 1-10 1937 season. My baseball
encyclopedia
tells me Roberge was born May 19, 1917
which would make him
almost
5 years older than Jack. Wouldn't he
have been too old to play on
the
WPA-based Dracut Tigers in 1938? Did
they lie about his age or what? In
any
case, you're right about Roberge making it to the major leagues. He was
there
for three years ('41, '42, '46, career batting average .220, with
three
homeruns.). Also, I have always assumed
Kerouac was more a Red Sox
than a
Braves fan but I don't have any specific reason for this view except
that
all great writers and poets love the Red Sox, without exception.
Thinking
there is no safe place but home, I'm rounding second...
Regards
to all, Andrew
>At
05:52 PM 10/27/97 -0600, Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM> wrote:
>>i
think this is a post about the world series, there is no place safe.
>>tell
me baseball is beat because jack loved it. amerika spends its wad
>>on
sports, little boy elbows gone at 12, parents calling 8 year old
>>rivals
little bastards, money money money and of course drinking.
>
>
>Did
you ever see Pull My daisy? "Is
baseball holy?" is one of the questions
>about
holiness they were asking the priest.
>
>Dr.
Sax has great baseball stuff. I saw an
anthology of baseball fiction
>once
in the sports section of a bookstore and lo and behold a section of Dr.
>Sax
was included.
>
>As
I recall Scotty Boldieu (so named because of his stinginess in eating his
>candy
bars) was the ace of the Dracut Tigers.
>
>
>>
>>Timothy
K. Gallaher wrote:
>>>
>>>
I think the Florida marlins just won the World seies. Renteria hit one up
>>>
the middle in the 11th.
>>>
>>>
Tony Fernandez was "the goat" (always unfair to call someone the goat
to my
>>>
mind--but they do) was Livan Hernandez the MVP. This guy is just 22 years
>>>
old and he had to escape from Cuba (escape--run away--flee) to come to the
>>>
US and play.
>>>
>>>
Go figure.
>>>
>>>
"I love you Miami" is what he shouted.
>>
>>
>
>
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Cathy
Wilkie wrote:
>
>
> 2) C'mon, Gerry and Phil and Paul and Bill and Marie
>
> and Richard and Leon -- how about we all meet somewhere
>
> like Lawrence Kansas (in the middle of the country) and
>
> have a big group hug, come on everybody what do you say?
>
>
Levi:
>
>
can i get in on the group hug thing?
I'm in iowa, and how much more in
>
the middle of the country can you get???
>
> cw
dear
hearts, i don't actually want to hug but i would look at you, feed
you,
welcome you. more beat parties, yess
yess more beat parties.
p
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>
Keith Medline wrote:
> The home of the cowards, an example in
progress. Now in
>
responding
> I will
only request that you use facts. Not
feelings and opinions, but
>
hard facts. I am quickly tiring of
armchair politicians critiqing my
>
poem on shaky facts.
> Your input has been vital as I am
currently reworking the poem.
>
Bless you all. i am even considering
the fundamental change that i
>
fight so bitterly against....USA to World.
> The world is quickly shrinking and
perhaps it is time to the world
>
for its injustices.
>
Keith
The
stock market has little to do with cowardice, but more with the law
of
gravity (fact), what goes up, must come down.
DC
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
>
Cathy Wilkie wrote:
>
>
>
> > 2) C'mon, Gerry and Phil and Paul and Bill and Marie
>
> > and Richard and Leon -- how about we all meet somewhere
>
> > like Lawrence Kansas (in the middle of the country) and
>
> > have a big group hug, come on everybody what do you say?
>
>
>
> Levi:
>
>
>
> can i get in on the group hug thing?
I'm in iowa, and how much more in
>
> the middle of the country can you get???
>
>
>
> cw
>
dear hearts, i don't actually want to hug but i would look at you, feed
>
you, welcome you. more beat parties,
yess yess more beat parties.
> p
i'm
already starting to pack!
dbr
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"It's
good to get high, and never come down" -tom petty
randy
>
The stock market has little to do with cowardice, but more with the law
> of
gravity (fact), what goes up, must come down.
> DC
>
>
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> The stock market is a great indicator of
how people feel about this
>country
and its prosects and hopes in the global web as defined by
>Robert
Reich.
well, i
guess than it should say something very positive- as the stock
market
has been setting records like crazy these past few months.
while you seek pure fact in response, can you
measure the quality of a
country
using only numbers? If you can, than
you won't find any country
in the
world that is worth living in.
and i
will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a
problem
with this country. take your french
canadian ass back to quebec-
theres
no room for you here.
i'm not
asking you to change usa to world- i'm asking you to shove the
whole
poem up your ass.
no, i
don't think america is perfect. but i love it- with all it's
corruption,
all it's crime, and all it's imperfections.
i'm
sorry if everybody takes offense to
this post- my only intention is
to
offend those that whine about how
terrible they think they have it
because
they live here.
i react
this way because of a passion i have for this country. not based
on
fact, but based on feeling.
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Race:
Maher
committed a personal foul there. He did
get the t to boot
though. So, you are partially on there. It looked like he was a
secondary
defender trying to draw a charge in the no charge zone, got
run
over, was scored on, and drew both the p and the t.
But,
the Celtics will get beat by at least 15 on All Hallows Eve. Just
a
thought.
But,
Jack did have a dream about playing basketball, remember.
--
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Keith,
You
completely lose me in your economic analysis.
Are you suggesting
that if
the participants in the market, in their collective wisdom, had
decided
not to sell and instead leveraged their positions to buy more in
foreign
markets that this sort American buy- out of foreign economies
would
be a good thing?
Are you
also suggesting that American confidence in the country was high
until
the Hong Market experienced problems and now is in tatters? Would
this
suggest that your critique wasn't the case last week. This
uniquely
American cowardice is brand new?
As
Diane C pointed out, markets go up and down in response to lots of
things. To take a 10% percent major correction in an
overheated market
as a
sign of American despair would be pushing it.
I'm
certainly not telling you to love it or leave it, as someone seems
to be
suggesting--but don't see your logic following a logical course at
all.
j
stauffer
J.
Stauffer
Keith
Medline wrote:
>
> Well you attack my poem on the grounds
that it is quite
>
unpatriotic. The fact remains though
that I have thrown out facts.
>
Solid facts, you have told me your feelings, those little demons that
>
Hemingway says betray us in our hour of need.
> If you have been living under a rock in
the US you need to know
>
that the stock market fell over 556(?) points today. It was the BIGGEST
>
crash in history (volume wise, not percentage)
> The stock market is a great indicator of
how people feel about this
>
country and its prosects and hopes in the global web as defined by
>
Robert Reich. Today we see once again
that Americans are for the most
>
part cowards. They have seen a small
hole in the damn and instead of
>
patching it they ran for shelter.
> If you want to talk about cowardice look
at it. There is the prime
>
example. (snip) Had Americans
>
taken a history lesson they could have seen that there is NO need for
>
the market to fall %11.7 since last WED.
Rather they could have reduced
>
this and then used that leverage to buy out other markets while the
>
American economy is strong.
>
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>...
i will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a
>problem
with this country. take your french
canadian ass back to quebec-
>theres
no room for you here.
In
other words, AMERICA !!! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT !!!!
Hmmmmm,
where have I heard that before?
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That
point about Chamberlain is one that I had not heard before. He did
make a
courageous and far sighted decision to hold the top while the
Confederates
were too cautious. It might have made
the difference.
Like
Renteria (sp) ball being 2 inches too tall if you are a Cleveland
fan. Gettysburg is maybe the most depressing
place I have ever been.
The
sadness of the men who fought there is still in the air, the ground,
the
trees.
I went
and found the site where the SC regiment was camped the night
before
Pickett's charge and then went and stood there, and walked out of
the
woods to look up the hill they went up.
Lee
obviously had lost his mind and it is right that Longstreet would
not
give the order to charge. But beyond
that, think of the courage and
heart
of the 150 or so who made it up the hill and fought for hours. As
they
went over the top the leader stated, "Let them taste cold steel
men." It gives me goose bumps to think of those
courageous doomed beat
souls.
Now,
what was that about the stock market?
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Paul
Simon said:
I been
branded a communist because I'm left handed,
But
that's just the hand I use, Oh never mind.
I been
Kerouac'd and Ginzed,
Burroughed
and gerryfrenzied,
maherd
and attillaed till i'm blind.
I been
whalen, norsed and michlined,
Snydered
like a spider
in a
world wide web.
DiPrimed
in my prime,
Oh the
beat list is where I spend my time,
Oh
Albert, I dropped my harmonica,
Flak
rock.
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Gotta
have a breather... got things to do, stories and books to write. No
time to
be a responsible Beat-L member, because Beat-L simply takes more
attention
than I have.
Stay in
touch with me at my email address, listed up there at the top of this
letter.
I'll be
back later, maybe in a month or so, when I've gotten ahead of my
work.
Lemme
know if that group hug materializes.
diane
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I
should have noted...
Bob
Lewis wrote:
>...
i will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a
>problem
with this country. take your french
canadian ass back to quebec-
>theres
no room for you here.
In
other words, AMERICA !!! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT !!!!
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where have I heard that before?
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>
and i will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a
>
problem with this country. take your
french canadian ass back to quebec-
>
theres no room for you here.
this is a creepy remark of prejudice and i
feel sick when i here a
"fellow"
american talk this way.
>
i'm not asking you to change usa to world- i'm asking you to shove the
>
whole poem up your ass.
>
no, i don't think america is perfect. but i love it- with all it's
>
corruption, all it's crime, and all it's imperfections.
i love
people, i love a little history, i love
home, i don't love
corruption
and i never will. and if thats your
beef, that if,don't love
amerika
rather than america then tooo bad for you wake up and smell the
glass
ceiling, i hate the amerika that can afford to let children go
hungry
for more than food.
>
i'm sorry if everybody takes offense to
this post- my only intention is
> to
offend those that whine about how
terrible they think they have it
>
because they live here.
the
goddam poem wasn't how bad he had it but how blind we were in both
tolerating
and abbetting how bad we made it for
some people, america
should
be better than what it is, doesn't meant we hate it, (at least
for me)
but it means we must open our goddam eyes and make it what it
should
be. It is our job.
> i
react this way because of a passion i have for this country. not based
> on
fact, but based on feeling.
reminds
me of the person who was explain about negros and the south , it
isn't
that they are prejudiced it is how we really feel down here. It
was a
tragic moment in the discussion.
I was
suprised, at the reactions. I thought
the poem showed a little
too
much agnst but it is heart breaking to look at what this country is
compared
to what it should could be. but i agree
it is provicial not to
say
world but we start with where we are. we should take responsibility
there
is no world, them and other countries, in some ways there is only
us, we
are denizens. .I don't think it would be fair to leave americia
out of
being a cold and dark place for many of its children.. I would
respect
someone saying if you don't like it change it, not get out. that
is an
old ticket and has been punched..
yeah i
got pissed off, take your bigoted prejudice remarks and put them.
p
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Everyone
bring what you can. You don't gotta
hug, just be you. and all that
other
stuff is kinda lika hug isn't it. Just
don't put me in the room wid da
snakes. ;-)
Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
Cathy Wilkie wrote:
>
>
>
> > 2) C'mon, Gerry and Phil and Paul and Bill and Marie
>
> > and Richard and Leon -- how about we all meet somewhere
>
> > like Lawrence Kansas (in the middle of the country) and
>
> > have a big group hug, come on everybody what do you say?
>
>
>
> Levi:
> >
>
> can i get in on the group hug thing?
I'm in iowa, and how much more in
>
> the middle of the country can you get???
>
>
>
> cw
>
dear hearts, i don't actually want to hug but i would look at you, feed
>
you, welcome you. more beat parties, yess
yess more beat parties.
> p
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I've
been to a reading he gave here in Seattle.
I know he is now on vacation
in
Africa, but he does reside here, at least for now. Search for
Recollection
Used Books (a bookstore here in Seattle, where he gave the
reading,
I forgot the URL) and either e-mail the proprietor or they should
have
books on him there. Good luck.
-George
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A big
thanks to Luciano Benetton, a fellow villager of mine,
both
born in Ponzano Veneto (Treviso) in the land where the
meadows
became hills in the "campagna veneta". i'm proud that
by
synchronycity Benetton saves the books & articles written
by
Fernanda Pivano, she (as stated in the Arpaia's news) was
planning
to burn in a fire the archive 'cuz of the indifference
of the
italian public administration,
saluti
a tutti da
Rinaldo.
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"L'America della Pivano si salva
dal rogo"
article by Bruno Arpaia (c) "la
Repubblica"
Per
anni la scrittrice ha cercato di donare alle istituzioni
la sua
raccolta di volumi e di lettere degli artisti della
beat
generation. Ora Benetton aprira' un Fondo.
Milano,
28 ottobre 1997,
Cinquatamila
volumi e una fittissima corrispondenza durata piu' di
quarant'anni
con Ernest Hemingway, Francis Scott Fitzgerald, Saul
Bellow,
Alice B. Toklas, Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, Gregory Corso,
e poi
con gli scrittori delle generazioni successive, come Raymond
Craver
o Jay McInerney. Il preziosissimo archivio e la biblioteca
di
Fernanda Pivano, "la donna che ha inventato l'America in Italia",
rischiavano
di finire al rogo. E invece, per fortuna, quei libri e
quelle
lettere, fondamentali per chiunque si interessi di letteratura
americana
contemporanea, sono scampati al falo'.
Merito
di Luciano Benetton, che ha preso personalmente contatti con
la
scrittrice e le ha offerto alcuni locali in corso di Porta Vittoria
a
Milano, nei pressi della biblioteca Sormani. Grazie alla Fondazione
Benetton,
nascera' cosi' un "Fondo sudi e ricerche Fernanda Pivano",
che
ospitera' e cataloghera' anche novemila volumi di letteratura
francese
appartenuti a Riccardo, il padre della scrittrice, migliaia di
documenti
inediti, ritagli, giornali, collezioni di introvabili
riviste
underground, manoscritti e prime edizioni con dedica. Un vero
tesoro
per gli studiosi, anche se "Nanda" preferirebbe che i frequentatori
del
Fondo siano giovani e non quelli che lei, con un pizzico di
cattiveria
chiama "i professori". Ha perfino ironicamente chiesto,
naturalmente
senza ottenerlo, di vietare loro l'accesso, perche', dice,
"i
professori mi hanno fatto la guerra per tutta la vita e non mi
va che
adesso approfittino del materiale che ho impiegato anni a
raccogliere".
La
Pivano aveva preso la decisione del "rogo" nel 1990, dopo anni
passati
a insistere con le amministrazioni comunali di Roma e Milano
per
trovare un rifugio alle sue carte. Ormai, nella casa di via
Senato,
tra scatoloni e pile di libri, a stento si riusciva a camminare.
Ma quei
contatti erano stati vani: intralci e ottusita' burocratiche
impedirono
di accettare la donazione. "Mi hanno presa in giro per
tre
anni", dice la Pivano, "per poi rifiutare senza una
spiegazione".
Alla
fine, non le era restata altra scelta:"Alla mia morte, bruciateli",
aveva
ordinato nel suo testamento. Ora le tocchera' riscriverlo, ma
e' felice
e commossa:"Non so dire come Benetton abbia saputo della
decisione
di bruciare i miei libri", perche' in genere non parlo di
cose
private. Fatto sta che ha compiuto un gesto molto elegante e di
grande
generosita'. Sono orgogliosa e riconoscente".
La
"sistemazione" della biblioteca e dell'archivio sono per la Pivano
il
coronamento di un anno importante. A maggio, i suoi ottant'anni
sono
stati festeggiati in tutta Italia. Genova, la sua citta natale,
le ha
dedicato una serata al teatro Carlo Felice e le ha conferito la
cittadinanza
onoraria. Le piu' importanti personalita' della cultura
hanno
riconosciuto in varie occasioni il proprio debito nei confronti
di chi
ci ha spalancato le porte di un'America nascosta e l'importanza
del suo
lavoro. Un lavoro iniziato tanto tempo fa, quando, grazie a
Pavese,
la giovanissima "Nanda" aveva scoperto la letteratura americana
e aveva
fatto le prime traduzioni dell'"Antologia di Spoon River" e di
"Foglie
d'erba" di Whitman. Poi erano venuti l'incontro a Cortina
con
Hemingway, l'intensa amicizia con i poeti della beat generation,
imposti
in Italia, quando farli pubblicare era un'impresa ardua e
difficile,
la scoperta delle nuove voci della letteratura d'oltreoceano,
i libri
e le migliaia di articoli che ci raccontavano di un continente
che
cambiava. Unico neo di quest'anno, la mancata nomina a senatrice
a vita,
proposta da Enzo Biagi, Dacia Maraini, Bernardo Bertolucci e
Lalla
Romano. Ma e' una pecca da poco. La creazione del Fondo la
compensa
ampiamente. "Per me e' davvero imprtante. Sarebbe stato un
peccato
lasciar disperdere il lavoro di una vita".
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friends,
by the
Campo Santa Margherita, in a shop window
Allen
Ginsberg looks at me, i brought the lion
for real,
worth buying, in the tracks there's
as a
plus for the CD italian edition "the ballad of
skeletons"
and "amazing grace" but there's isn't
the
lirycs, help!, i appreciate if one can post it,
un
mucchio di grazie in anticipo da
Rinaldo.
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On Mon,
27 Oct 1997, randy royal wrote:
> at
my church's used book store i found am ugly looking hardback copy
> of
herman hesse's siddartha. for only a quarter. that was yesterday.
>
randy
i went
hogwild at a library book sale this weekend, ~15 books for $3,
including
_a coney island of the mind_. and i recently bought the letters of
wsb,
1945-1959, been immersed in this for past few days. one thing i
wondered
is what became of hinckle and his wife?
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"Why
I love America"
by
David Rhaesa
Grade 5
Heusner
Elementary, Salina Kansas
Mrs.
Bassett - Teacher
Mr.
Roberts - Principal
WHY I
LOVE AMERICA
Why I love America? That is a big why Maybe it is because we have
more
freedom than other countries. Maybe it
is because we are allowed
to
elect our president.
Most of all though, I think it is
because there were: People who were
brave
enough to come to an unknown world and settle a country with a new
form of
government. Men who declared their
independence from England.
People
who were willing to take a stand for what they believed was
right. People who were not quitters, who stuck with
it when the going
was
rough. People who were curious enough
to investigate things so they
could
expand their knowledge. Great men
<sic> who knew the difference
between
true peace and mere disagreements.
Immigrants who struggled
past
prejudice and made a name for themselves.
Now think for a minute. Are you this kind of person? Would you keep
going
or quit?
_____________
roflmao
went
through elementary school files my mom saved -- art work and
writing
mostly -- this morning. I declared i
wanted to be a writer when
i grew
up when i was in SECOND GRADE!!!!
Now --
I was fairly serious in Gang of One about the bad hair days.
Don't
think for a second that i'm in rose-coloured glasses seeing all
goodness
and beauty in the universe. i do see
potential. but the
distance
between the present and the potential is so wide in the sounds
i hear
that i am unable to even function physically in the "land that i
love". So I understand the "screw you"
feelings quite well. But I find
that
ultimately that attitude turns back on me and I screw myself. I
found
Patricia's notion of the importance of improvement and not
settling
for the present state of affairs to ring true.
What is the
cliche
-- the good is the enemy of the best! <grin>
And I
understand the notion of "think globally act locally". The
interconnectedness
of events has been so extreme for me at times during
my
psychosis that it "felt" as though not cleaning my closet could be
responsible
for the stock market crash of the last Black Monday.
(actually,
the afternoon before the last Black monday a kind gentleman
loaned
me his visa card with no limits on it to make it through a rough
time!
-- the reverberations of such an act were severe :) )....
rambling
and headed to siesta. watching the
weather channel
pink
floyd just ended a bit ago and "this land is your land" is playing
in my
head.....
david
rhaesa
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On Fri,
24 Oct 1997 17:05:03 -0500 Bob Lewis wrote:
>
but as it turned out, she sounded clueless on the subject, and therefore
> i
had no choice but to be a smartass about it.
> so
if our student in need is still on the list- defend yourself! prove to
> us
that you weren't just using us!
Hey! Play nice!
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On Thu,
23 Oct 1997 20:18:01 -0400 Marlene Giraud wrote:
>
From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>
>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:18:01 -0400
>
Subject: losing it....
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> dear
list,
>
i'm about at the end of my rope with all these off subject posts. i joined
>
the list this past summer and was so thrilled to be discussing the literature
>
that i love. I'm probably younger than most on the list (18) and maybe its my
>
innocence, but i'm dying to get back to the real reason we subscribed here.
The
main thing is, don't let it get to you.
Kids will be kids. This argument
thing
comes
and goes in cycles. Just hit the delete
key...
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"A
Bear of Very Little Brain"
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this is
great bentz. thanks.
mc
R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
Paul Simon said:
>
> I
been branded a communist because I'm left handed,
>
But that's just the hand I use, Oh never mind.
>
> I
been Kerouac'd and Ginzed,
>
Burroughed and gerryfrenzied,
>
maherd and attillaed till i'm blind.
> I
been whalen, norsed and michlined,
>
Snydered like a spider
> in
a world wide web.
>
DiPrimed in my prime,
> Oh
the beat list is where I spend my time,
>
> Oh
Albert, I dropped my harmonica,
>
Flak rock.
>
> --
>
>
Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
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i hope
i have kept my own mouth shut long enough after tangling with mr
walner
to have some credibility behind what i have to say.
it seems
that the acrimony from the kerouac estate thread has seeped
into
the ground water beneath our beat club house and it appears to be
poisoning
our pens.
i just
want to say it makes me sick at heart to read things like "take
yr
french canadian ass" whereever and stick this and that where the sun
down
shine.
this is
the only list to which i belong in which this level of acrimony
seems
to be increasingly the norm vs the occasional blip.
i write
pomes, people like them or they don't - i chalk it up to
experience
and taste.
i have
opinions, dittto.
i
occassionally get pissed off, ditto.
but i
am aghast at how much this has grown to be the culture here.
like i
said i live in a glass house and i've thrown the first stone thru
it.
i
apologize if i have made anyone feel unwanted or not valuable. (as in
the
case of mr walner)
so many
accusations so few reality checks on our selves. so few
apologies.
marie
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i don't
think i can do justice to just who glad i am that you are back and
active
among us, antoine, with your clarity and respectful attitudes,
may we
all take a lesson from you.
mc
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No one
should be under the impression that there is no original Kerouac
material
available for study by scholars. Attila Gyenis, editor of
Dharma
beat has spent tow or three years writing to universities around
the
country about their beat holdings. The results can be found in the
current
and past issues of Dharma beat. I know he didn't make them up
because
I received the letters while we were working together. Between
Dharma
beat and the Kerouac Quarterly, many of the Kerouac things in the
NY
Public Library and I think the infamous Lowell Collection have been
have
been listed.
For
those who are unfamiliar with the NY Public Library, the Berg
Collection
is a division of the library. It's not like the OTR scroll is
sitting
on a shelf in the stacks or in a filing cabinet on 42nd Street.
The
Berg is a major archival collection of original literary material.
Last
year, for the 100th Anniversary of the NYPL, they did 2 exhibitions
which
included original manuscripts from English and American poets
beginning,
I think, with John Donne and ending with
current stuff. Yes,
some of
Kerouac's work was included. The exhibition was covered in
Dharma
beat. Check out the NYPL website too.
For
more info on Dharma beat magazine, drop a line to Attila Gyenis at
Dharma
beat, Box 1753, Lowell, MA 01853.
Mark
Hemenway
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sitting
quietly doing nothing
daylight
savings time comes
and the
stock market crashes by itself ....
what is
the meaning of the stock market crash!!!????
have
you had breakfast?
yes....?....
do the
dishes ....
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Seoncd cut up
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R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
> I
am going to stick with Book of Dreams.
And I'm
going to add from My Education: A Book of Dreams wsb.
This
time, I will cut together
>
approximately 2 sentences from 5 different pages chosen at random. I
>
will enclose the whole in quotes. And
remember it will make sense as
>
this is about dreams anyway. no
promises concerning "sense" but perhaps the
dreams across two friends from over time may
come together in a sense.
>
>
"A TREMENDOUS FAMILY SAGA, it takes place in a huge high apartment by
>
the sea, the same sea of Tidal Waves and Sea Battles-- there are
>
intelligent child girls, earlier in the opening of the Saga, in a big
>
room, after something to do with the Girl of the Huge Room, Halvar Hayes holds
a kitten by the neck choking it and me and
someone else (Joe Gavota was
around) try to break his grip--"You're
choking that cat to death!" -- The boys
set up a guerrilla unit with the young Maize
God.--
I cry
and try clawing Hal's face, pushing his nose in, pulling
>
his hair, everything, kicking, him in the balls so he'll leave that
>
kitty go and he wont--now 'tis the other side of town but the same
>
Bowery like darkness and after eating which takes me two hours and my
>
thoughts are so vast while eating that when I wake up and realize my
>
mind'd run thru two hundred dreay mind-weary Finnegangs Wakes, half
>
awake goofball sleep--something to do with a waitress girl, burns--I
>
leave and head back home to "First Avenue" tho geographically it's
>
Eleventh Avenue West Side--and it's not that she doesnt love me,
>
business and circumstance compel her to leave--(she loves me, she loves me
not)-- "Shucks fellers, you got a
REEFER?" -- DRIVING IN TWO CADILLACS one a
'52 one a '47 Limousine, with a gang of
friends--the driver is Jim
Calabrese-Mexican kid--we're going Lombard St
Frisco and part Lowell, go down a
very steep hill, stop all to get out and buy
cigarettes--Lousy, Guy Green, lots
of girls--Jim is smiling--We went over some
canal--"COOL IT" I say to a gang of
crazy boys I been playin on the
rollercoasters with, as one starts shouting
loudly about the marijuana exploits I taught
them-"Ah hell, cool it yaself" is
the answer from my disciples--We're in our
shorts and T-shirts, I feel tired or
trying to keep up with the consequences of
the Beat Generation and all
lubrigious in the dream--Wake up in Lowell
Skidrow--- Roast beef and mashed
potatoes. -- 'T' is only the quite of the
Sainte Jeanne d'Arc Church on the
great gray day of Nov.21 1954 that I saw:
"The Beatific Generation" -- T!
he
story we have chosen is the longest, but considering the pictures, not very
long. -- AT THE LONG ISLAND GRAYBEACH a big
family reunion and event but
instead of starting off on time I goof at
basketball in the empty Y court,
removing coat but not shirt and tie and I'll
get all sweaty--I go across the
litters, enter a store, a beautiful sexy
brunette says turning to her father
"See, all the men go for me"--this
after I apprasied her with appreciation and
said something -- He had achieved a modicum
of serenity in Alexandria, but the
dogs made his life a hell. -- I start to wake
up and forget all about her sex
to speculate with myself and with them about
these millions--(Railroad call,
knock on door) -- And at that very day I see
for the first time a brown ranch
style prefabricated house being rolled out on
wheels at San Mateo--right out on
the road--and mention the dream to brakeman
Neal McGee, who laughs and says,
"Well that must have been a
nightmare!" -- Or a writer ... hi!
s face
bears scars of the early struggles, the years of neglect and scorn from
the critics ... but just hold the line and
you will be the grand old man of
letters, with your napkin ring in a very
special discreet restaraunt --
>
>
And that is the end of the Book of Dreams/My Education cut up. I think it is
actually speaking to the list, what do you
think? David, catch this when you
get back dude. Did. Your turn :) david
>
> --
>
> Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
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>
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I'd
still like to know why Attila Gyenis (Blue Ribbon Boy) keeps a post
office
box in Lowell if he hasn't been there for a year and a half? Somehow
I don't
think I'd want to buy a used car from any of these guys.
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Subject: Apology to Keith...
Keith-
rereading my statements- i'd like to apologize for my quick and
irresponsible
response.
Patricia
pointed out that it was prejudiced- i don't fully agree with
that,
but it was offensive none the less. who
am i to try to repress
your
opinions?
yes
america has some huge problems. but i love america for what has and
is
attempting to do- it has invited all nations and all races to come
under
one roof- and form one nationality. we
have a history of
mistreating
several of those races, but we are working on improving those
problems.
as i
have heard before- the beat generation officially started when
america
unleashed the atom bomb on the world.
one part of beat- mainly
JK's
view, seeks out the beautiful america. another part- AG's and WSB's
views,
appears to seek the negatives. or are
they just seeking an
improvement?
america, when will you send your eggs to india... a
request,
or a statement about the values of america, or both?
hindsight
is 20/20. times like this i wish i
could go back and change
history
by editing what i said, ala 1984. but i
can't, so i can only try
to make
amends.
so
please continue with your poem- and disregard quick and irresponsible
posts
from people like me.
Bob
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>And
he did have to run away. He left in
Mexico when the Cuban team was
>playing
there. He did not have permission. Rene Arocha was the first Cuban
>ball
player to do that and he literally ran away.
He ran
away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was
playing
baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him
more
than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.
He ran
away to play baseball for big bucks.
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Fellow
BEAT-L subscribers,
5 days ago i asked for your opinions, I
got what I asked for thank
you for
your time and consideration. I have
made my final remarks
concerning
the interpretation of this poem but as I have warned earlier
factions
are bad and I see sides starting to coagulate. Please respect
this
request and end the discussion. I am
happy to discuss this topic
on a
back channel until I get corpal Tunnel, but out of respect for
other
subscribers who want to know about Jack, Ginsy, and the rest of
the
crew.
Please
drop the subject on the main channel.
Thank
you,
Keith
PS-Bill
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BRAVO!
Your point is well taken and I will
concede it. The men who fought
in ANY
American war are the bravest most courageous men in the WORLD. I
will
agree.
I am starting to see this trend that ALL
of you well maybe not all
but
most of you thought that my poem meant that I hated America.
Certainly
not, I merely am pointing out the major faults about this
place.
I stated that I am an Italian-American,
well Italy has a lot of
porblems
too. Their parliment is the most
unstable on Earth. I feel
though
that the Italians have had a rough go, especially in my ancesotrs
Sicily
where they have not had a stable govrnment well ever. they were
Greek,
Roman, carthaginian... the list is long
which gives rise to a
rebel
spirit.
If not for America i would NOT be at
College, I would not have
these
clothes, I would not be writing this. I
do see however, that
American
Capitalism is very corrupt, and has ruined this country, to an
extent.
You are right, veterans deserve ALL THE
LOVE AND HONOR IN THE
WORLD.
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Then
you are a fool, without eyes. However,
lovely that must have been
when
you were 7, grow up. Open your eyes, or
maybe you enjoy
>fuck
you
>take
your french canadian ass back to quebec- theres no room for you
here.
>shove
the whole poem up your ass.
>my
only intention is to offend those that whine
about how terrible
>they
think they have it because they live here.
>i
react this way because of a passion i have for this country. not
based
>on
fact, but based on feeling.
lets
see:
-You
are a person with a narrow vocabulary since you have to resort to
"fuck
you." Perhaps words written by
someone who isn't intellectually
pusilanimous
would mean something.
-take
your french-canadian ass back to quebec? WOW!
You have PERFECTLY
displayed
my point why America is so completely ruined.
you think you
have
the right to judge somebodies opinions based on yours without any
factual
basis? You say you love everything
about America, well let me
ask you
this: If your ancestors had come to a country where people told
them to
take their ethnic ass back to their homeland, there is no room
for
them here. Do you honestly think they
would have stayed? Think
about
that for a moment.
-shove
the whole poem up your ass. Thank
you. I am glad you have the
balls
to tell the truth about what you think.
I commend you.
-Your
compassion and lust for everything America(murder and all) is
noble. However, I did not state in the poem
anywhere, that I feel
oppressed
myself in this country, I never even hinted that I think I
have it
terrible because I live here.
On a final note, your criticism is well
taken. Your method however
leaves
a lot to be desired. If you cannot
formulate a rational and even
tempered
opinion(even with facts and opinion combined to make a clear
statement)
nobody will take you seriously.
In the future, don't alienate an entire
people because you feel you
have
the right to. Try to stay calm and not
call names which destroy
your
credibility. And use some fact, even one small piece of it would be
nice.
Thank
You for your criticism,
Keith
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There
is a little said about him in the book _The Beat Generation Writers_.
Jon
At
07:32 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Does
anyone know anything about this writer/poet?
All I've go is what
>little
I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).
>After
searching all the library systems in the state, I found one
>collection
of his work. Does anyone know where I
could find some good
>background
info? The resources here are limited (as
one can tell from the
>above
statement). If anyone knows of an
anthology or article or book with
>some
info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally grateful.
>
>------------------
>Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
>http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
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the
stock market has no inherent value or meaning any more. that say
something
about America's economy and people to any of you?
ah, the
tangled web of illusion....
ciao,
sherri
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>
Keith Medline wrote:
> The home of the cowards, an example in
progress. Now in
>
responding
> I
will only request that you use facts.
Not feelings and opinions, but
>
hard facts. I am quickly tiring of
armchair politicians critiqing my
>
poem on shaky facts.
> Your input has been vital as I am
currently reworking the poem.
>
Bless you all. i am even considering
the fundamental change that i
>
fight so bitterly against....USA to World.
> The world is quickly shrinking and
perhaps it is time to the world
>
for its injustices.
>
Keith
The
stock market has little to do with cowardice, but more with the law
of
gravity (fact), what goes up, must come down.
DC
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Timothy
K. Gallaher wrote:
>
>
Did you ever see Pull My daisy?
"Is baseball holy?" is one of the questions
>
about holiness they were asking the priest.
>
Baseball
is holy! Hockey is holy! The puck is holy! The four-seam
fastball
is holy! The ballpark and hockey rink and sandlot and shinny
game
holy!
The
world series is holy the Stanley Cup is holy!
Holy
Jim Leyland holy Scotty Bowman holy Larry Walker holy Wayne Gretzky
holy
Felipe Alou holy Brendan Shanahan holy Dutch Daulton holy Moose
Messier
holy Mel Allen holy Don Cherry!
Holy
the seventh-inning stretch! Holy Hockey Night in Canada!
Holy
the brushback! Holy the left wing lock! Holy the grass fields! Holy
Maple
Leaf gardens!
Holy
America's national pastime! Holy Canada's national passion!
Holy
the Elysian Fields, New Jersey, birthplace of baseball!
Holy
Kelvington, Saskatchewan, Canada's hockey factory!
Holy
the twostrikes-twoout-bottomoftheeleventh-suddendeathovertime GLORY
that is
and should forever be sacred between fathers and sons!
...I
had to speak up. It IS alright to love both poetry and sports, tho
I think
I'm the only one in my town who does!
Adrien
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That
means you are in, right?
leon
>I'll
be back later, maybe in a month or so, when I've gotten ahead of
my
>work.
>
>Lemme
know if that group hug materializes.
>
>diane
>.-
>
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Got
this message in the mail -- does anybody know of this poem?
It
sounds nice anyway. If you have an
answer, remember to cc
maureenmck@snet.net
...
Date:
Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:44:38 -1000
From:
Maureen McKenna <maureenmck@snet.net>
To:
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Subject:
looking for ferlinghetti poem
Mr.
Asher,
for
months now, i've been looking for a ferlinghetti poem(well,i'm 99%
sure
it's ferlinghetti)that first got me interested in poetry when i was
going
through my adolescent "nobody understands me" phase. now i'm a 47
year old
with a poor memory & can only remember bits & pieces of it. it
was
about a boy who, when he was very young, saw all of his school work
&
drawings being put up on the refrigerator door by his proud mother. as
he got
older, he received less & less attention & love, & none of his
work got up on the refrigerator anymore. by the
end of the poem, he
killed
himself.
is this
at all familiar to you? i'd really like to find it. any help
would
be appreciated.
thank
you,
Maureen
McKenna
maureenmck@writeme.com
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Hi
everyone, especially everyone who has - or has access to - early editions
of
Kerouac.
I got the following e-mail from Rod
Anstee a while ago and with the
recent
posts about finding - or not finding - old, used copies of Kerouac
and the
other Beats, this seemed a good time to post it. Rod has a question
about a
change made to the text of "On The Road". He expalins what raised
the
question and the significance of the answer. Hope some of you have early
editions
to look this up in!
Antoine
**************
from
Rod Anstee: [Nastees@aol.com]
A
question re: the first edition of ON THE ROAD
Recently
I read a section from ON THE ROAD at a poetry gathering
here in
town -- this was in honour of the 40th anniversary of the
original
publication, 5 September, 1957. I read the section in
which
Kerouac describes his first "big opening day" on the road,
which
ends, as anyone who's read the novel knows, in Jack being
forced
to retreat back to NYC in a bus full of school teachers. I
had
rehearsed this passage a few times using my battered old
SIGNET
reading copy, but in the meantime I rec'd a copy of the
proper
40th Anniversary Edition, and so I took this along with me
to the
reading.
At the reading, I was surprised to
discover a very small
difference
between the two texts. When Jack finally accepts
defeat
in the story, and abandons his dream of following Highway
#6 all
the way across America, he accepts a ride into Newburgh,
NY
where he later catches a southbound bus into the city. In the
first
edition of ON THE ROAD (i.e. the Viking Press hardcover,
1st
printing, 1957) he describes this ride as taking him "back to
Newburgh"
-- the italics are in the original text. However, in
the new
40th Anniversay edition, I noticed that this phrase had
been
revised to read "north to Newburgh." This was a logical
correction,
geographically speaking, since Newburgh is located
north
of the Bear Mountain Bridge, where Jack begs the ride,
therefore
the trip to Newburgh was not "back" -- i.e. it didn't
retrace
Jack's journey earlier in the day, but rather took him a
little
further north, presumably to a place big enough for him to
catch a
southbound bus. Some sharp person at Viking Press noticed
the
error at some point and corrected it.
The key
question is, WHEN EXACTLY WAS THIS CORRECTION MADE?
That's because there is just the slimmest
possibility that
this
oddity actually constitutes a previously unnoticed "point of
issue"
in regard to the first edition of ON THE ROAD, dividing
the
so-called 1st printing into a "first issue" and a (less
valuable)
"second issue."
Obviously, that is a long shot. I feel
it's far more likely that this
correction
was made between, rather than during a printing, and
so it
would be interesting to know if anyone with a 2nd or even a
3rd
hardcover printing of ON THE ROAD in the their Kerouac
collections
finds the original wording (i.e. "back to Newburgh")
or the
revised wording ("north to Newburgh".)
The most likely scenario of all, I think,
is that this
correction
was made a bit later, when the Viking/Compass edition
of the
book was released in 1959. According to Annie Charters'
bibliography,
this edition was released in both hardcover and
paperback.
I have never seen a hardcover copy of this edition,
nor
have I ever seen one offered for sale, though it still may
exist
out there, as book dealers generally tend to concentrate on
"first
editions", often to the extent of ignoring even rarer,
later
editions. I have only ever seen the paperback version of
the
Compass edition and my earliest printing of this edition
dates
from 1960, and in this printing the error has been
corrected.
However, I would be very interested in hearing from
anyone
who has a proper first printing of the Viking Compass
edition
(hardcover, or softcover) about what they find therein.
All this is exceedingly easy to check out
in your copies of
the
book -- the error/correction in question occurs on p. 13,
BOOK
ONE, Chapter 2, 10 lines down from the top of the page in all
of the
existing Viking editions of the book, except the new 40th
Anniversary
edition, which has been reset such that the passage
in
question shows up on p. 11. The Signet editions were never
corrected,
incidentally, and no edition (to date) printed in the
UK has
ever been corrected either.
I know this might seem a nutty inquiry to
most, but if it
proves
to be a genuine "point of issue" it will be rather
important
news for all book dealers and collectors.
So
thanks for your help.
CHEERS, Rod Anstee
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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Bob
Lewis wrote:
<snip>
>
i'm not asking you to change usa to world- i'm asking you to shove the
>
whole poem up your ass.
<snip>
Bob:
There's
no need to give this sort of feedback to Keith. He came to the list
with a
well intentioned question and does not deserve to be dissed like
this. We don't need to trample all over someone to
express feelings. I hope
you
will lighten up on him some.
--
Peace,
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At
12:22 AM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>And
he did have to run away. He left in
Mexico when the Cuban team was
>>playing
there. He did not have permission. Rene Arocha was the first Cuban
>>ball
player to do that and he literally ran away.
>
>He
ran away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was
>playing
baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him
>more
than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.
>
>He
ran away to play baseball for big bucks.
>
True,
but also to play against and with the best in the world. Big bucks is
a
consequence of being the best.
>j
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Isn't
his name Ted Joans?
At
07:32 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Does
anyone know anything about this writer/poet?
All I've go is what
>little
I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).
>After
searching all the library systems in the state, I found one
>collection
of his work. Does anyone know where I
could find some good
>background
info? The resources here are limited
(as one can tell from the
>above
statement). If anyone knows of an
anthology or article or book with
>some
info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally grateful.
>
>------------------
>Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
>http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
>
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Well,
I've been back for a few DAZE and I'm outta here
once
again. Too much crap for me!!!
Mike
PS. If
anyone needs me, you know where I am.
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>At
12:22 AM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>>And
he did have to run away. He left in
Mexico when the Cuban team was
>>>playing
there. He did not have permission. Rene Arocha was the first Cuban
>>>ball
player to do that and he literally ran away.
>>
>>He
ran away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was
>>playing
baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him
>>more
than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.
>>
>>He
ran away to play baseball for big bucks.
>>
>
>True,
but also to play against and with the best in the world. Big bucks is
>a
consequence of being the best.
Cuba
has the lowest infant mortality rate in this hemisphere--possibly the
world. Where are the big bucks that are the
consequence of being the best
at saving
the lives of infants? Or are big bucks not always the consequence
of
being the best--just being the best at games?
j grant
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>sitting
quietly doing nothing
>daylight
savings time comes
>and
the stock market crashes by itself ....
>
>
>what
is the meaning of the stock market crash!!!????
>have
you had breakfast?
>yes....?....
>do
the dishes ....
>
>david
rhaesa
>salina,
Kansas
Or,
"What does it all mean Mr. Natural?"
And I
know I don't have to answer that question for you David.
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At
08:14 PM 10/28/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
there's as a plus for the CD italian edition "the ballad of
>skeletons"
and "amazing grace" but there's isn't
>the
lirycs, help!, i appreciate if one can post it,
>un
mucchio di grazie in anticipo da
>Rinaldo.
>
the
ballad of the skeletons
Said
the Presidential Skeleton
I won't
sign the bill
Said
the speaker skeleton
Yes you
will
Said
the Representative Skeleton
I
object
Said
the Supreme Court skeleton
Waddya
expect
Said
the Military skeleton
Buy
Star Bombs
Said
the Upperclass Skeleton
Starve
unmarried moms
Said
the Yahoo Skeleton
Stop
dirty art
Said
the Right Wing skeleton
Forget
about yr heart
Said
the Gnostic Skeleton
The
Human Form's divine
Said
the Moral Majority skeleton
No it's
not mine
Said
the Buddha Skeleton
Compassion
is wealth
Said
the Corporate skeleton
It's
bad for your health
Said
the Old Christ Skeleton
Care
for the Poor
Said
the Son of God skeleton
AIDS
needs cure
Said
the Homophobe skeleton
Gay
folk suck
Said
the Heritage Policy skeleton
Black's
are outa luck
Said
the Macho skeleton
Women
in their place
Said
the Fundamentalist skeleton
Increase
the human race
Said
the Right-to-Life skeleton
Foetus
has a soul
Said
the Pro Choice skeleton
Shove
it up your hole
Said
the Downsized skeleton
Robots
got my job
Said
the the Tough-on-Crime skeleton
Tear
gas the mob
Said
the Governor skeleton
Cut
school lunch
Said
the Mayor skeleton
Eat the
budget crunch
Said
the Neo Conservative skeleton
Homeless
off the street!
Said
the Free Market skeleton
Use'en
up for meat
Said
the Think Tank skeleton
Free
Market's the way
Said
the Savings & Loan skeleton
Make
the State pay
Said
the Ecological skeleton
Keep
Skies blue
Said
the Multinational skeleton
What's
it worth to you?
Said
the NAFTA skeleton
Get
rich, Free Trade,
Said
the Maquiladora skeleton
Sweat shops,
low paid
Sait
the GATT skeleton
One
world, high tech
Said
the Underclass skeleton
Get it
in the neck
Said
the World Bank skeleton
Cut
down your trees
Said
the I.M.F. skeleton
Buy
American cheese
Said
the Underdeveloped skeleton
We want
rice
Said
the Developed Nations' skeleton
Sell
your bones for dice
Said
the Ayatollah skeleton
Did
writer die
Said
Joe Stalin's skeleton
That's
no lie
Said
the Middle Kingdom skeleton
We
swallowed Tibet
Said
the Dalai Lama skeleton
Indigestion
whatcha get
Said
the World Chorus skeleton
That's
their fate
Said
the U.S.A. skeleton
Gotta
save Kuwaitt
Said
the Petrochemical skeleton
Roar
Bombers roar!
Said
the Psychedelic skeleton
Smoke a
dinasaur
Said
Nancy's skeleton
Just
say no
Said
the Rasta skeleton
Blow
Nancy Blow
Said
the Demagogue skeleton
Don't
smoke Pot
Said
the Alcholic skeleton
Let
your liver rot
Said
the Junkie skelton
Can't
we get a fix?
Said
the Big Brother skeleton
Jail
dirty pricks
Said
the Mirror skeleton
Hey
good looking
Said
the Electric Chair Skeleton
Hey
what's cooking?
Said
the Talkshow skeleton
Fuck
you in the face
Said
the Family Values skeleton
My
family values mace
Said
the NY Times skeleton
That's
not fit to print
Said
the CIA skelton
Cantcha
take a hint?
Said
the Network skeleton
Believe
my lies
Said
the Advertising skeleton
Don't
get wise!
Said
the Media skeleton
Believe
you me
Said
the Couch-Potato skeleton
What me
worry?
Said
the TV skeleton
Eat
sound bites
Said
the Newscast skeleton
That's
all Goodnight
AG -- Feb 12-16, 1995
E
Said
the Presidential Skeleton
A E
I won't
sign the bill
Said
the speaker skeleton
B E
Yes you
will
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From: Cathy Wilkie <cawilkie@COMIC.NET>
>
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>
Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:40 PM
>
>
> i wasn't going to head to wichita cuz my step-dad is in the hosptial
but
>
> i'm going to shift gears and leave him to the doctors and head down to
>
> see Wichita and visit Pat O'Connor and the Wichita State Library (and
>
> look for some books so i can ask questions about them)....
>
>
okay okay i have to say it :
>
>
Anybody ever heard of a band call soul coughing????
>
>
(true dreams of wichita???)
>
>
some are claiming that the lyricist/singer is the newest thing in beat
>
poetry, but in all interviews i've read about them, he says, "no man, i
>
just like playing around with words."
>
>
give a listen to them if you can, in particular their cd "ruby vroom"
> cw
I don't
have ruby vroom but I have their new album "irresistible bliss." I
like
it. It's a lot better for the crap that
makes up indie rock these
days. The music is jazz/hip-hop mixed with alt
rock. The singer does use
puns
and alliteration quite a bit. I like a
band that can make a song
about
math listenable.
my $.02
Joey
Mellott : poet, writer, and poseur music critic
(peyotecoyote@iah.com)
"the
socerers enter the ring, and the dancer with the six hundred little
bells
(300 of horn, 300 of silver) shrieks his coyote call in the forest."
-
Antonin Artaud
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Irving
Leif,
You
asked people to contact you about your Kerouac bib. I tried to do so,
but my
university has blocked all transmissions to and from the netcom
domain,
apparently because someone had been using that vehicle to send
e-mail
bombs. Could you send a snail-mail address to the beat-l so that I
can
contact you with some information you might not have.
Mike
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At
03:59 PM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>At
12:22 AM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>And
he did have to run away. He left in
Mexico when the Cuban team was
>>>>playing
there. He did not have permission. Rene Arocha was the first Cuban
>>>>ball
player to do that and he literally ran away.
>>>
>>>He
ran away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was
>>>playing
baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him
>>>more
than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.
>>>
>>>He
ran away to play baseball for big bucks.
>>>
>>
>>True,
but also to play against and with the best in the world. Big bucks is
>>a
consequence of being the best.
>
>Cuba
has the lowest infant mortality rate in this hemisphere--possibly the
>world. Where are the big bucks that are the
consequence of being the best
>at
saving the lives of infants? Or are big bucks not always the consequence
>of
being the best--just being the best at games?
>
Different
professions have different pay scales of course. One can be the
best
speller in the world and not make much money or the best badmitton
player
and not make a mint either.
In
terms of salary we are talking about individuals. I don't quite
understand
how you are comparing an individual's ability and how it may
relate
to his or her earning power with statistics about infant mortality rates.
I do
see you are trying to make a point about your respect for the Cuban regime.
>j
grant
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Mike,
Thanks
for trying to contact me. You can reach
me during the day at my
e-mail
address at the university -
ipl1@columbia.edu (that's ipl plus the
numeral
one not two ls). Not a bad university
to be if you are into the Beats.
I'd
really love to hear what you may have.
Irving
Leif
At
05:04 PM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Irving
Leif,
>You
asked people to contact you about your Kerouac bib. I tried to do so,
>but
my university has blocked all transmissions to and from the netcom
>domain,
apparently because someone had been using that vehicle to send
>e-mail
bombs. Could you send a snail-mail address to the beat-l so that I
>can
contact you with some information you might not have.
>Mike
Skau
>
>
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ever
since that mispent bullet of passion was sent to us on the list,
this
poem kept coming to my mind. going
through the box , i found it,
Romance
poem by Anne Walden
She
Born & lost in a throw of time
I'm always thinking of shunning time
because I change my mind or dress so often
Cerulian: for your eyes
Amber beads at dawn, a lilting surface
whose light makes eyes fiery as if silenced
ideas would suddenly be released out of head
Color would jump at an offer, wouldn't you?
Disjointed dreams owned by a Capitalist:
my glistening black shoulders entering
armchairs.
A petrified thought so I'll stop talking
and you speak.
Lover
Your
yokel ambition to be many of face
& all seduction will halt my laziness
if wanton eyes change please look this way
Come 'round the bend and any woman
you'd care to be is fine with me,
we're unfeasible in a crowd, however
and as dusk approaches let's zigzag out of
here
Compensations exist in the landscape
and shouldn't be wxploited a great deal
like patches of snow don't really
sabotage romance do they? Who are you?
Can you breathe, attired flamboyantly?
She
Ideals are noble but you are
dressed to give a more modern touch
to the room, although you rankle me
the way you are young & require
purification
You sound me out because afternoon
gives me desire. I could be somber
if a light rain would fall, I could be
utilized if you"ll mountain climb
anywhere in this Capitaist joint
& and forgive the scheme of asking dumb
questions.
I'm not so deficient. Kiss me
Lover
Protein? Vengeance? Jealousy?
We ought to get out together more often
It's hard to explain how austerity
gets in your bones, I am the child of
one of you & it's easy to be taken in:
Into all probability, into the years on end,
into a liberation struggle, into a
persistent
pattern and my heart (which should be
studying)
breaks for you, for love of you
In this way you are making me love
a sumptuous ill-afforded item
or lead me through premature twilight.
She
In this way I"ll be appealing:
Form is joy! In this way all of me
will enter the lounge as if no one ever
starved or sufffered, as if no one reads
anymore
as if that in itself could scare me, as
if we are all economic exploiters coated in
oil
As if I could enter one room for the rest of
life.
aloof, tight-lipped I can hardly breathe
being more abondoned than usual
more than what you say, more than what
you ever say, it's automatic
Wind in
foothills
Automatically dramatic, dominating
and side by side with lavish texture &
style
You could always do this & are
liberated-
No going back! the wind says You
are amusing & therefore the wind moves
for you,
spins for you and won't settle easily
tomight
Wind can be rueful too, and stubborn
not behaving like any government.
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Mark:
I don't
think anyone questions that some materials are available. That is
not the
question or the point. You gloss over
the fact that Sampas has, and
this
was confirmed to me in person by the librarian at Berkeley, attempted
to
force these libraries not to let people have access to any material that
was
originated by Jack Kerouac. This worked
at the UMass at Lowell. I have
seen
comfirmation of the fact that scholars have been denied access to the
archives
there. The question isn't what is out
there. The question is what
is the
estate sitting on, what has it sold and to whom, who stole the
letters
from U Mass at Lowell and why is John Sampas trying to keep people
from
accessing Kerouac's letters etc. There
are more questions, but the
answers
to these would be a good start.
Hemenway
. Mark wrote:
> No
one should be under the impression that there is no original Kerouac
>
material available for study by scholars. Attila Gyenis, editor of
>
Dharma beat has spent tow or three years writing to universities around
>
the country about their beat holdings. The results can be found in the
>
current and past issues of Dharma beat. I know he didn't make them up
>
because I received the letters while we were working together. Between
>
Dharma beat and the Kerouac Quarterly, many of the Kerouac things in the
> NY
Public Library and I think the infamous Lowell Collection have been
>
have been listed.
>
<snip>
>
Mark Hemenway
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Subject: Re: poem by anne walden
i've
never read Anne Walden. thank Patricia
- this is really wonderful. what
book
does this come from?
ciao,
sherri
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Subject: poem by anne walden
ever
since that mispent bullet of passion was sent to us on the list,
this
poem kept coming to my mind. going
through the box , i found it,
Romance
poem by Anne Walden
She
Born & lost in a throw of time
I'm always thinking of shunning time
because I change my mind or dress so often
Cerulian: for your eyes
Amber beads at dawn, a lilting surface
whose light makes eyes fiery as if silenced
ideas would suddenly be released out of head
Color would jump at an offer, wouldn't you?
Disjointed dreams owned by a Capitalist:
my glistening black shoulders entering
armchairs.
A petrified thought so I'll stop talking
and you speak.
Lover
Your yokel ambition to be many of face
& all seduction will halt my laziness
if wanton eyes change please look this way
Come 'round the bend and any woman
you'd care to be is fine with me,
we're unfeasible in a crowd, however
and as dusk approaches let's zigzag out of
here
Compensations exist in the landscape
and shouldn't be wxploited a great deal
like patches of snow don't really
sabotage romance do they? Who are you?
Can you breathe, attired flamboyantly?
She
Ideals are noble but you are
dressed to give a more modern touch
to the room, although you rankle me
the way you are young & require
purification
You sound me out because afternoon
gives me desire. I could be somber
if a light rain would fall, I could be
utilized if you"ll mountain climb
anywhere in this Capitaist joint
& and forgive the scheme of asking dumb
questions.
I'm not so deficient. Kiss me
Lover
Protein? Vengeance? Jealousy?
We ought to get out together more often
It's hard to explain how austerity
gets in your bones, I am the child of
one of you & it's easy to be taken in:
Into all probability, into the years on end,
into a liberation struggle, into a
persistent
pattern and my heart (which should be
studying)
breaks for you, for love of you
In this way you are making me love
a sumptuous ill-afforded item
or lead me through premature twilight.
She
In this way I"ll be appealing:
Form is joy! In this way all of me
will enter the lounge as if no one ever
starved or sufffered, as if no one reads
anymore
as if that in itself could scare me, as
if we are all economic exploiters coated in
oil
As if I could enter one room for the rest of
life.
aloof, tight-lipped I can hardly breathe
being more abondoned than usual
more than what you say, more than what
you ever say, it's automatic
Wind in
foothills
Automatically dramatic, dominating
and side by side with lavish texture &
style
You could always do this & are
liberated-
No going back! the wind says You
are amusing & therefore the wind moves
for you,
spins for you and won't settle easily
tomight
Wind can be rueful too, and stubborn
not behaving like any government.
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Sherri
wrote:
>
>
i've never read Anne Walden. thank
Patricia - this is really wonderful.
what
>
book does this come from?
>
>
ciao, sherri
>
I don't
know, i have it as a large color
poster, 11 by 17,