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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

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                        Oct 29, 1997

        Back from Los Angeles.  The PEN dinner was splendid, some really

deserving people got awards.  John Rechy got the lifetime achievement award.

He is one great writer and also a super kind and giving human being (beloved

by generations of students at USC).  If you don't know his work, check out

CITY OF NIGHT, which is the gay ON THE ROAD.  But Rechy's prose is even more

poetic than Kerouac's.  Yet he was always marginalized as "just a gay writer."

        Bill Vollmann got the award in fiction for THE ATLAS.  He's 38 years

old and has published 10 books, some of them beyond amazing.  BUTTERFLY

STORIES, WHORES FOR GLORIA, 13 STORIES, these are works at the cutting edge

of fiction today, dealing with skinheads, AIDS, street prostitutes, whoring

his way across Asia, stuff you wouldn't believe.  SOme people are calling

him the next Kerouac.  His style is much different than jack's, more

cerebral, but this "kid" has got one hell of a punch and maybe is the best

contender now alive to fill Jack's shoes (which may never be filled, any

more than anybody is ever going to box better than Muhammed Ali, or play

basketball better than Michael Jordan).

There probably is no "next Kerouac," but give Vollmann a look anyway, if you

love fiction that hits hard and isn't afraid of life's "dirty side."

        I dedicated the award for Cranial Guitar to Jan Kerouac.  I told the

audience that if Bob Kaufman were alive today, he'd sure be fighting to save

Jack Kerouac's archive and make it available to all.  The day I met BOb,

more than 20 years ago, he rushed to his hotel room to bring me a poem Jack

Kerouac had written to him.  And he didn't charge me $10,000 for it.

        So I come home to find in my email that the letters stolen from my

archive never even existed ("you don't even exist!" someone wrote to Jack

Kerouac in 1967, which he recounts in VANITY OF DULUOZ), Attila Gyenis gets

his mail out of a mailbox 3000 miles away, and we should all consider Paul

Maher, a convicted book thief, as a more credible witness than Bentz Kirby,

a member of the South Carolina bar.

        Someone ought to enroll Mr. Sampas and his followers in Franklin

Rosemont's surrealist society.  They have a native gift for the surreal that

surpasses even DuChamps and Breton.

        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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>

> How Poetry Comes to Me

>

> It comes blundering over the

> Boulders at night, it stays

> Frightened outside the

> Range of my campfire

> I go to meet it at the

> Edge of the light.

>

>         -- Gary Snyder

>         from No Nature

>

> I'll need help with this one.  Not being exactly an "outdoorsman", i can

> only try to comprehend GS here by analogy.  The best I get is some local

> parks for a literal understanding of what he's saying.

>

> david rhaesa

> salina, Kansas

 

 

 

How poetry came to me:

 

wandering around red rocks

i went off a little to the left

thinking about life

the meaning

my position in it

and i'm walking along

taking pictures of the skyline

and suddenly i look

and see right in front of me

nothing but a coyote.

 

'go away,' i hear a voice say.

'you don't belong here.'

 

i'm stunned.

frozen.

 

suddenly i turn and run.

 

See, nature only comes at you

when you're least expecting it

when you're the least prepared for it.

 

So might as well meet the Mother at the edge of the campfire.

 

cw

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Phil is kind enough to ask:

 

> What else you got? Phil

 

Well, OK.  I did post a piece about Burroughs quite a while back; but as

long as we're now in the silliness vein, I'll offer this one, which I hope

will make at least a few of you smile and recall your youthful fantasies.

It's my small attempt to answer the lasting metaphysical question...

 

 

 

 

                                                      Ginger or Mary Anne

 

 

 

 

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale

 

   the tale of a fateful trip.

 

 

 

                                        Ginger

 

 

Red hair stiff as the points at the tips of her perfect breasts.

 

And your lips move down those shoulders of pure white

(alabaster that never tanned despite years of exposure to the tropical sun)

        the feel of silver lam=E9 crinkling in your hands

        down an impossible angle to the smallest circle of a waist.

 

She slides out of that dress you already know only too well.

 

Her lips now in that pout that haunts your dreams,

        (its been used so many times before to get so many things).

 

And you kiss down the smooth white stomach and land, beached,

upon a red triangle of wire (dyed to match, of course) and another pair of

scarlet lips.

 

You can hear her now, sighing in the throaty, breathfilled voice that

always wanted so badly to be Marilyn singing Happy Birthday to a President

long since lost.

 

And behind her your hands get lost in the soft white dough of curves you

had only before dreamed of in silver white, sparkling against the sand of

the uncharted desert isle.

 

You are getting lost in the red and white and you know now why producers

were mourning her loss as a tragedy for the industry.

 

 

 

[A Bridge in Prose]:  Supposing that the Howell's were monogamous (and

honestly, wouldn't they sort of have to be?) that leaves three boys for our

two women, an excess of the dialectic they represent.  Who goes without?

Who doubles up? Has the professor, who after all can make a washing machine

out of coconuts and bamboo, already invented a tropical pleasure toy from

available materials and is he entertaining himself nightly, the only one,

after all, with his own hut?  Is there a regular rotation, or agreed upon

pairs, or is the whole thing ad-libbed depending on who has eaten the most

coconut custard pie from the night before?

 

 

 

 

                                                Mary Anne

 

 

The eyes wide

 

        (and powerful from eating carrots grown from atomically radiated see=

ds)

 

                and the muscles of her shoulders and arms hard and smooth.

 

Her lips are small and her tongue is sharp as it flashes into your mouth at

hyperspeed.

 

Her hands, still soft but slightly bony and without a trace of color on the

nails

 

(she does them often but never red, unless her personality has been

switched by an evil scientist with an accent).

 

        they pull quickly on your hair as she gasps in an innocent passion.

 

Her shirt unbuttons easily and you kiss the small pink nipples and she

purrs like a farm cat.

 

Your hand is drawn down to the legendary stomach (ever-exposed but for a

small rise in the denim of her shorts that discreetly covers her navel (it

was, after all, the law)).

 

It is the stomach of dreams. The flat waist and hard thighs of the land.

 

And between...

 

 

        A wild bird's nest of a thicket...

 

                Untrimmed and pungent and now stretching for your fingers.

 

There is fire in this wholesomeness,

 

        a wild passion in this Mid-West, milk fed, energy.

 

And she is loud...screaming across an island from lagoon to caves her cry

echoing in the jungle and on the radio that always knows its cue.

 

 

And you smile in your ecstacy...

 

 

because you know in your heart

 

 

that no matter what

 

 

the hole in that boat will never be patched.

 

 

 

 

 

 

- JVO

 

***********************************************************

 

 

 

Back to lurker status for me (too many papers to grade),

 

--John

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Boy you really have the "bughouse blues" today don't you? As usual, I was

taken out of context....I did not say the letters never existed. I said that

according to the library, there is no record of their being there.So I am

merely repeating what they have told me and others. I was criticizing them.

I, if you put it into the right context, was actually agreeing with you. I,

through my story about other incidents, was relating a similar circumstance.

I was trying to porve a point about "their" incompetence. But, like

everything else that was ever uttered here, it was taken out of context

first by a lawyer and then regurgitated and re-ingested by Gerald

Nicosia....you know  like vultures do.

                                  Paul. . .

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Gerald Nicosia wrote:

>

>                         Oct 29, 1997

>         Back from Los Angeles.  The PEN dinner was splendid, some really

> deserving people got awards.  John Rechy got the lifetime achievement award.

> He is one great writer and also a super kind and giving human being (beloved

> by generations of students at USC).  If you don't know his work, check out

> CITY OF NIGHT, which is the gay ON THE ROAD.  But Rechy's prose is even more

> poetic than Kerouac's.  Yet he was always marginalized as "just a gay writer."

>         Bill Vollmann got the award in fiction for THE ATLAS.  He's 38 years

> old and has published 10 books, some of them beyond amazing.  BUTTERFLY

> STORIES, WHORES FOR GLORIA, 13 STORIES, these are works at the cutting edge

> of fiction today, dealing with skinheads, AIDS, street prostitutes, whoring

> his way across Asia, stuff you wouldn't believe.  SOme people are calling

> him the next Kerouac.  His style is much different than jack's, more

> cerebral, but this "kid" has got one hell of a punch and maybe is the best

> contender now alive to fill Jack's shoes (which may never be filled, any

> more than anybody is ever going to box better than Muhammed Ali, or play

> basketball better than Michael Jordan).

>         Best always, Gerry Nicosia

 

 

Glad you had a safe trip Gerry.  The next anybody always seems a

horrible thing to place upon anyone.  Some line from Lou Reed often pops

into my head "you can't be Shakespeare and you can't be Joyce" lada lada

lada.  Much easier to waste time doing e-mailing with such thoughts.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Well I have my other computer set up in the bedroom writing table area

now.  One thing I found on it was a fairly shabby master's thesis about

the language strategies of the advocates for space colonization.  It

seems that for a number of reasons it is time to slowly begin to

translate the significant work i did on that project into something that

is REAL!!!!

 

And William S. Burroughs writings are certainly an influence since then

which need to be spliced into the stew.  So questions from the Gallery

for potential threads or backchannel replies (for the timid).

 

1)  William's Welcome -- On Dead City Radio -- What are you here for?

We're all here to go into space!!!  -- or somesuch.  Does this text

appear somewhere in writing that I might want to track down?

 

2)  A line without a context.  Somewhere I have seen in connection or

quotation with William Burroughs the following line "Travel is

necessary, living isn't" or something like that.  Any help in tracking

down where that might come from???

 

3)  How does number 2 relate to WSB's attitude towards Neal's motion

without purpose lifestyle?  Just opinions there -- anybody? anybody?

 

4)  Stasis Horrors.  This seems to be a biological argument by WSB for

movement -- I've seen and heard of it many many times.  Can folks help

me out with specific references.

 

5)  Anything and everything else :)

 

my rather immature examination before led to a conclusion concerning the

use of frontier myths and metaphors as well as science fiction and

fantasy themes as a means to almost hypnotize the audience into a lack

of interest in the technical arguments.  To me this should have been the

first chapter and go from there.  Unfortunately, the adviser had other

notions.  I have much more respect for him now -- but perhaps it is time

as a very long term project to begin to re-write this project from the

beginning I'd suggested towards an ending that the future of the

universe may only know.

 

Other backchannel requests:

 

Many of you are beginning to understand that i REALLY AM illiterate in

the sense of literature.  I know how to treat politics as a text,

foreign policy decisions as texts, and employ literary critical tools in

examining them -- often finding soap opera generes at work :)

 

If you can suggest backchannel things i should look into in terms of

literature and narrative in the following areas that relate to this long

term project I'd appreciate it.

 

Frontier themes:  I am very deep on the philosophy and history of the

frontier notions of American history.  I know nothing about the literary

experience.

 

Science fiction:  About the only science fiction I've read to date are

things which appear within the texts of presumably non-fiction books

like Gerard O'Neill's The High Frontier and the like.

 

Science fantasy:  I understand the distinctions here between fiction and

fantasy but that is as far as I go.

 

In terms of suggestions -- I'd ask for notions that are:

 

1)  Classics within these genres so to speak (from your perspective)

 

2)  Possibly connected to the readings of WSB (if this is possible to

guess).

 

Any help is appreciated.

 

<listening to Bruce Cockburn ... mellow finding old projects never

completed on old computer that is now my "writing" computer.>

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Subject:      pome/last round

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lately i just keep waking       to anna, with thanks

 

 

   lately i just keep waking alone

   in the black of night

   i breathe shallow i wear earphones

   not to wake you

 

   not to wake you

   i breath shallowly

   3 am 4 am

   mind wanders and stumbles

    stuck in the valley of consciousness

   black timelessness,

    i don=92t

   think of tomorrow, rather

   merge with the blackness

   listen to the burning

   fire

   in my ears,  break free      --the passions wax in my ears,

   and turning,

   turn up the volume on the

   sobbing stereo wailing

   i make my choice

   light the candle

   shed my

   clothes

   twirl on the balls of my

   feet and let

   my hips find their own rhythm

   scarf in hand,

   flung swirls, settles

   the lamp shadows cast,

   i dance to my anima,

   shadow cast

    i ride the iddles

   in the midst of hurricane

   a halcyon dance.

 

   go away if it bothers you, in fact

   please go away.

   its the blackness you see

   the blackness and me

   everybody nobody knows about me

   nobody everybody

   nobody knows about me

   the song

   the vigil

   energy

 

   oct 29? 97

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James Stauffer wrote:

>

> David,

>

> A little Lew Welch in counterpoint to the Snyder pome on poetry

 

All my library had was Genesis Angels: The Saga of Lew Welch and the

Beat Generation by Aram Saroyan in the biography section.  Anyone have

comments on the quality of this biography?  It seems thin after having

read Memory Babe!!!

 

A clip from Gary Snyder on Welch here:

 

Lew Welch had a mind and style of unique delicacy and penetration.  Aram

Saroyan's Genesis Angels approaches Lew from the inside -- a comradely,

intuitive, bold book that is a creative work in its own right.  Also

accurate, I vouch for that.

 

Also found a copy of Anne Waldman's Kill or Cure but haven't examined it

at all yet.

>

> (WHENEVER I MAKE A NEW POEM)

>

> Whenever I make a new poem,

> the old ones sound like gibberish.

> How can they ever make sense in a book?

>

> Let them say:

> "He seems to have lived in the mountains.

> He travelled now and then.

> When he apeared in cities,

> he was almost always drunk.

>

> "Most of his poems are lost.

> Many of those we have were found in

> letters to his friends.

>

> "He had a very large number of friends."

>

> (THE IMAGE AS HEXAGRAM)

>

> The image, as in a Hexagram:

>

> The hermit locks his door against the blizzard.

> He keeps the cabin warm.

>

> All winter he sorts out all he has.

> What was well started shall be finished.

> What was not, should be thrown away.

>

> In spring he emerges with one garment

> and a single book.

>

> The cabin is very clean.

>

> Except for that, you'd never guess

> anyone lived there.

>

> (I SAW MYSELF)

>

> I saw myself

> a ring of bone

> in the clear stream

> of all of it

>

> and vowed,

> always to be open to it

> that all of it

> might flow through

>

> and then heard

> "ring of bone" where

> ring is what a

>

> bell does.

>

> (all from "Hermit Poems", Ring of Bone)

 

Interesting.  I am learning something from these unknown (to me) Beats

already.  The writing is skeletal it seems but on second look plump and

truth fills the spaces between the letters, the words, and the lines.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html

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On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Antoine Maloney wrote:

 

>         Saw your comment about young Bill Burroughs' "mediocre books"....is

> that pretty much the case? I saw a copy of "Kentucky Ham" and was wondering

> about getting it just today. Can you tell me anything about it. I recently

> bought Jan Kerouac's "Baby Driver" and thought I might let my completist

> instincts run riot.

 

Ah, taken to task on a tossed-off remark. Actually, I have to confess

that I've only read Speed, and not Kentucky Ham. After reading Speed I

figured my reading time was better spent elsewhere. Billy has little to no

skill as a stylist, and as my favourite English prof said "if you're not

going to do something interesting with language, you better have a good

story to tell." I think Billy failed on that count as well. I didn't find

it gripping, nor did I find the actual story particularly illuminating or

insightful. I've heard Speed compared to Junky (Speed being the

angst-filled, alienated youth version), but I think Junky was a

mediocre book too. Burroughs wasn't possessed by genius until his writing

found the form of routines; you see some glimmers of it in Queer, but it

doesn't find its full force until Naked Lunch (you see them develop in the

letters, of course). "Raw" was a good adjective to describe Billy's

writing (what I've read of it anyway), but I'd also describe Kerouac's

Tristessa as raw, in an unkind way. Actually, I think I'm going to stop

making these comments before I start a storm I don't want to be in the

middle of.

 

Well, it looks like it's 3-1 so far on the BEAT-L

commendation/condemnation scale, so take it for what its worth. If you

wanna read Billy, I'd suggest you pick up the "Speed/Kentucky Ham: Two

Novels" omnibus from Overlook Books (seriously resisting cheap joke here),

rather than just the one. It's still in print as far as I know, and costs

around $15 new.

 

Yours,

Neil

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From:         Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Neil re: Bill Burroughs jr.

 

Everyone has his opinion.  I think that Bill Burroughs Jr.'s SPEED, is one of

the 10 or so best books from the 60's.  I think it is excellent.  It is a

great coming of age novel - testing limits, friendships and, of course drugs.

 I don't think there is a better book about the scarey speed scene that arose

in New York in the late 60's.

 

Bill Burroughs Jr., basically gave up on life.  Alcohol was his real demon.

 I can scarcely imagine how I would have felt if my father had accidentially

shot my mother while I was at a very tender age - HORROR.  Bill Burroughs Jr.

was raised my his grandparents.  WSB tried to help, esp. Billy later in life.

 I'm sure he felt pretty guilty.  In any case, SPEED is a good read (not a

hard read like many of his Dad's books).

 

Howard Park

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gerry thanks for the dinner descripton. i agree re: bob kaufman he is somekind

 of

tetched in the head saintly poet freely giving saint to me.

as fer the rest, let's call it an X file not worth the trouble.

i'm sure there are many other phenomena out there for you to investigate,

 mulder.

 

waiting on yr report re: vietnam war

agent scully

 

Gerald Nicosia wrote:

 

>                         Oct 29, 1997

>         Back from Los Angeles.  The PEN dinner was splendid, some really

> deserving people got awards.  John Rechy got the lifetime achievement award.

> He is one great writer and also a super kind and giving human being (beloved

> by generations of students at USC).  If you don't know his work, check out

> CITY OF NIGHT, which is the gay ON THE ROAD.  But Rechy's prose is even more

> poetic than Kerouac's.  Yet he was always marginalized as "just a gay writer."

>         Bill Vollmann got the award in fiction for THE ATLAS.  He's 38 years

> old and has published 10 books, some of them beyond amazing.  BUTTERFLY

> STORIES, WHORES FOR GLORIA, 13 STORIES, these are works at the cutting edge

> of fiction today, dealing with skinheads, AIDS, street prostitutes, whoring

> his way across Asia, stuff you wouldn't believe.  SOme people are calling

> him the next Kerouac.  His style is much different than jack's, more

> cerebral, but this "kid" has got one hell of a punch and maybe is the best

> contender now alive to fill Jack's shoes (which may never be filled, any

> more than anybody is ever going to box better than Muhammed Ali, or play

> basketball better than Michael Jordan).

> There probably is no "next Kerouac," but give Vollmann a look anyway, if you

> love fiction that hits hard and isn't afraid of life's "dirty side."

>         I dedicated the award for Cranial Guitar to Jan Kerouac.  I told the

> audience that if Bob Kaufman were alive today, he'd sure be fighting to save

> Jack Kerouac's archive and make it available to all.  The day I met BOb,

> more than 20 years ago, he rushed to his hotel room to bring me a poem Jack

> Kerouac had written to him.  And he didn't charge me $10,000 for it.

>         So I come home to find in my email that the letters stolen from my

> archive never even existed ("you don't even exist!" someone wrote to Jack

> Kerouac in 1967, which he recounts in VANITY OF DULUOZ), Attila Gyenis gets

> his mail out of a mailbox 3000 miles away, and we should all consider Paul

> Maher, a convicted book thief, as a more credible witness than Bentz Kirby,

> a member of the South Carolina bar.

>         Someone ought to enroll Mr. Sampas and his followers in Franklin

> Rosemont's surrealist society.  They have a native gift for the surreal that

> surpasses even DuChamps and Breton.

>         Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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This is not a flame and I am not trying to insult anyone but

Bentz I am curious, as a lawyer could you answer a few questions? Gerry

posted this a while back. This is a direct quote.

 

>"THERE WAS NO LAW SUIT FOR ME TO HELP JAN WITH UNTIL 1994, and a

>large part of Jan's reason for filing the suit was TO STOP JOHN >SAMPAS

FROM SELLING OFF PIECES OF KEROUAC'S ARCHIVE TO COLLECTORS >AND DEALERS,

which didn't begin until 1991" - G.N.

 

If as according to Gerry Nicosia as posted here on the beat-l a LARGE PART

of Jan's and Gerry's reason for filing the lawsuit was to stop the estate

from selling off pieces of the archive which allegedly had been going on

for three years. Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the lawsuit is

bogus and made up just to find a way to stop the estate from selling items

that they legally owned. In other words I thought that the reason for the

suit was because the estate did something illegal but now Gerry insinuates

that it's because Jan and Gerry were mad and frustrated that items were

being sold THEN came up with the idea of a forged will as a way to stop

these items from being sold. Also isn't the estate innocent of the charge

of allegedly forging the will until it's actually proven in a court of law?

Also who are they actually saying forged the will? Legally don't they have

to actually accuse someone (a real person) of the crime? THIS IS NOT A

FLAME. Try to answer objectively as a lawyer who has no interest in taking

sides on this matter. I for one think it's a shame that Jack left nothing

in his will for his daughter but I know he told my father that he didn't

think she was his daughter (which I don't agree with and that is not in

dispute here) and maybe that's the reason for leaving her out of the will.

I am not asking Gerry these questions I am asking you as a lawyer.Phil

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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, RACE --- wrote:

 

> 1)  William's Welcome -- On Dead City Radio -- What are you here for?

> We're all here to go into space!!!  -- or somesuch.  Does this text

> appear somewhere in writing that I might want to track down?

 

Check both The Third Mind, and The Adding Machine. I believe it's also in

Ah Pook (Arthur?). If you really want to know exactly where that

particular passage is from, the liner notes contain all the sources. This

is one of the catch-phrases that Burroughs uses everywhere, and

incidentally, it's also borrowed from Brion Gysin (I'm not sure if he says

that on Dead City Radio). I'm sure this is also discussed in the Gysin

book "Here to Go: Planet R101".

 

> 2)  A line without a context.  Somewhere I have seen in connection or

> quotation with William Burroughs the following line "Travel is

> necessary, living isn't" or something like that.  Any help in tracking

> down where that might come from???

 

The line is "It is necessary to travel, it is not necessary to live."

 

Another ubiquitious Burroughs phrase, that I believe he stole as well.

Off the top of my head, it appears in The Place of Dead Roads around page

115. I'm also fairly certain it appears in My Education, as travel is one

of the major topics he deals with.

 

> 3)  How does number 2 relate to WSB's attitude towards Neal's motion

> without purpose lifestyle?  Just opinions there -- anybody? anybody?

 

Burroughs' purpose was the Johnson Space Program. He always had a purpose,

and referred to himself as a "pure scientist", which obviously implies a

direction and focus for investigation.

 

> 4)  Stasis Horrors.  This seems to be a biological argument by WSB for

> movement -- I've seen and heard of it many many times.  Can folks help

> me out with specific references.

 

The "Stasis Horrors" would correspond most directly with Burroughs'

notions of homo sap being "the human artifact". He discusses this in The

Job, I believe, as well as The Adding Machine.

 

I read an article in a scholarly journal from England that claimed that

Burroughs' concept of getting into space was like the traditional concept

of the soul coming free of the body, so you may want to examine some of

the ontological precepts governing Burroughs' notions of escaping Time to

get into Space. Another thing that aligns Burroughs with some traditional

Christian notions of spirituality is his horror and revulsion of the body.

This is discussed in "The Postmodern Anus", from _At the Front_.

 

I can't tell you the name of the article mentioned above, because

unfortunately I found it in the University of Waterloo library through a

search of an electronic index of journal articles, and UW is a hundred K

away... If you want to find it, search a similar index of scholarly

journals, with Burroughs as the subject, and the article appeared in

something like "British Studies in Contemporary American Fiction". Sorry

for the vagueness of sources, but you didn't expect to notactually

read Burroughs, or go to the library, did you? ;-)

 

Hope this helps,

Neil

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Subject:      Gary Snyder vs JK's spin on GS

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Looking to learn something that would require reading far more than i

currently have time for, I'm hoping to engage some folks in an exercise

in teaching me.

 

I recognize (and recall some threads or strings) that GS is the "basis"

for character named J-something in the JK Legend.  But I also require

WSB's admonition (from another thread) that while connections may be

visible to literal life, JK was writing a Legend and was more than

willing in developing characters from real life to take the Literary

License he felt necessary in doing so.

 

Some of y'all know far more about JK than I and will know more about

JK's character based in the reality of Gary Snyder.  Others of y'all

know far more about Gary Snyder than I and will know more about his

literature and biography and be able to discern what JK left out of GS,

and where he diverted from GS etc.

 

I'd look forward to being taught.

 

Sitting alone in Salina Kansas wondering about such things.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html

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Neil Hennessy wrote:

>

> Hope this helps,

> Neil

 

Very much ... thanks a lot!!!

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html

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Howdy All,

 

I just dropped by Luke Kelly's site, and he's put up a Naked Lunch

concordance! My applause and gratitude go out to Luke for this incredibly

useful service he provided gratis, for no other reason than devotion to

the work of WSB. So if you've got the barest fragment of a quotation, the

source is only a few clicks away. Great work Luke. His site is at

http://www.bigtable.com

 

Neil

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:39:32 -0600

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Lew Welch/Genesis Angels

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Just casting my vote for GENESIS ANGELS.  Great book, interior/subjective

look at that great poet; I have a postcard somewhere from Saroyan saying

he tried it straight, writing it as a "regular" biography, and that it

just didn't work, so he wrote it again "Beat" style (my adjective).

Though literally a small book, it's pretty terrific.

 

Don Lee

Fayetteville, Ark.

 

"I always imagined I would write a book, if only a small one, that would

carry one away, into a realm that could not be measured nor even

remembered."

                                 -- Patti Smith, Woolgathering

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Neil re: Bill Burroughs jr.

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if you read all of the info available about billy and his tragic life, imagine

finally knowing you've drunk yrself todeath  and waking out of a hepatic coma to

you're alive but with a dead man's liver in you? this i think is what led to

the  and is a defining moment in his death. even folks who pray for them organs

have to make their peace with this, billy never even knew it was coming. his

books, speed in particular, i see as a great read and representative of 60s

equally the diary of a damaged child.

now a damaged almost never to be grown up.

wow.

i'm on a cheery jag this am

signing off

commander hoek.

 

 

Howard Park wrote:

 

> Everyone has his opinion.  I think that Bill Burroughs Jr.'s SPEED, is one of

> the 10 or so best books from the 60's.  I think it is excellent.  It is a

> great coming of age novel - testing limits, friendships and, of course drugs.

>  I don't think there is a better book about the scarey speed scene that arose

> in New York in the late 60's.

>

> Bill Burroughs Jr., basically gave up on life.  Alcohol was his real demon.

>  I can scarcely imagine how I would have felt if my father had accidentially

> shot my mother while I was at a very tender age - HORROR.  Bill Burroughs Jr.

> was raised my his grandparents.  WSB tried to help, esp. Billy later in life.

>  I'm sure he felt pretty guilty.  In any case, SPEED is a good read (not a

> hard read like many of his Dad's books).

>

> Howard Park

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From:         Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>

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I think what Gerry was meaning is that until the estate started selling

things off, they didn't really care who was handling the archive.  It was

the "mishandling" of the archive that prompted Jan to try to insinuate her

rights to it.

 

------------------

Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Inspiration

 

In a message dated 97-10-29 12:08:19 EST, you write:

 

<< It comes blundering over the

 Boulders at night, it stays

 Frightened outside the

 Range of my campfire

 I go to meet it at the

 Edge of the light.

  >>

 

   any particular reason why each line is capitalized? any thoughts? does

this add to signifigance of piece?

                                     ~~Marlene

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From:         Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

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I'm starting to feel like a stodgy old curmudgeon. It's now 5-1. Perhaps I

should go back and read Kentucky Ham, and maybe Speed again. It has been

about 5 or 6 years since I read Speed. Perhaps I was missing something. If

it's in at the library I'll put it in the queue somewhere after bpNichol's

"An H in the Heart" and Alfred Jarry's Selected Works.

 

Horribly outvoted, hopefully not outmoded

Neil

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outvoted does not mean you must be in the wrong.

question authority

i do so to myself at least daily.

ho

mc

 

Neil Hennessy wrote:

 

> I'm starting to feel like a stodgy old curmudgeon. It's now 5-1. Perhaps I

> should go back and read Kentucky Ham, and maybe Speed again. It has been

> about 5 or 6 years since I read Speed. Perhaps I was missing something. If

> it's in at the library I'll put it in the queue somewhere after bpNichol's

> "An H in the Heart" and Alfred Jarry's Selected Works.

>

> Horribly outvoted, hopefully not outmoded

> Neil

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Thanks Neil for reminding me to visit Luke's awesome Burroughs page. I love

to browse, pick up nuggets and gems here and there. As always I feel

refreshed and newly enlightened after browsing his Memorial Museum and

scientific laboratory for the imagination.

leon

 

 

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From: Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 7:26 AM

Subject: Concordance for Lunch

 

 

>Howdy All,

>

>I just dropped by Luke Kelly's site, and he's put up a Naked Lunch

>concordance! My applause and gratitude go out to Luke for this incredibly

>useful service he provided gratis, for no other reason than devotion to

>the work of WSB. So if you've got the barest fragment of a quotation, the

>source is only a few clicks away. Great work Luke. His site is at

>http://www.bigtable.com

>

>Neil

>.-

>

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Mr. Gallaher

 

In a message dated 97-10-30 06:51:12 EST, you write:

 

<<

 >Dear Mr. Gallaher,

 >

 >     Why do you find it nessisary to attack my request?  Do you find it

 >funny to point fingers and mock me?  Is that what your mental abilities

 >allow you to do, or am I over exaggerating you mental capabilities by

 >giving you that much credit?  Perhaps you simply thought I would find

 >being mocked and ridiculed publicly funny?  Perhaps when you look in the >>

 

OH JESUS!

here we go again....personally i enjoy the poets on the list and for the

chance to post any of my poetry. simmer down, you all. Really.... this list

needs a mom, to control all the outbursts. relax people....let it go.....

 

~~Marlene

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moving marie...i simply love it. sounds like an excellent performance pice.

BTW, i'm a performing poet, and i wondered if you'd mind if i performed your

piece at a local coffeehouse here in south florida. i'll let them know the

piece isn't mine. do you mind? i just love this piece. Its stirring.

~~Marlene

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David

 

You are asking about the portrait of Gary Snyder as Japhy Ryder in

Dharma Bums.   I think the question could probably only be answered

really accurately by someone who know both Jack and Gary then, and even

then it's just another subjectivity.

 

I have never heard the basic accuracy of this portrait questioned.

Seeing Gary now it is easy to imagine him as the young "Japhy."

Obviously he grew from that point.  However, with Snyder most of the

pieces that make him what he is were already there.  He was already a

serious student of Asian languages and religion, particularly Zen

Buddhism and a preoccupation with the natural world and particularly the

American West. I've gathered that at times Snyder has grown rather tired

of being seen only as "Japhy" which is understandable.  I do think that

Japhy is Gary as Jack saw him.  Of course as always when we write about

friends, we focus on the part of them that impacts us, and we may miss

other aspects of the person that seem equally important to him or her.

 

Not a JK expert--

 

J. Stauffer

>

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dance

 

in camplight

all others ringed round the fire asleep

ceiling of skies, sleepless

 

blanket round shoulders

i sit and bend towards fire

sweat raises on shoulders

firelight warmth

sudden gust of cold, then icy fire

he appears

my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion

if you will, my metaphor

 

and the firelight

turns to music

sweat raises to shoulders

and muscles obey

 

running electric alive

to all casual eyes

i dance alone in the desert

 

oh please,

oh please,

hear me hear out my story

because you were in it

alive alive alive

you

who are you

who are you

my

angst

my

well chosen adversary

my brother

my killer

life giver

who

 

and why then crave i sleep

the question

so easily cicles

chasing me all around leading me all around in circles

dream on

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Donald,

 

I'd agree.  Not a bad book.  Certainly not the sort of things that have

been done on JK.  I like the book, although I feel it is really limited

by not citing source material.  From any sort of selfish scholarly point

of view that is frustrating.  Good book as an "appreciation" or whatever

of Lew.  A real literary biography has yet to be done.

 

J. Stauffer

 

Donald G. Jr. Lee wrote:

>

> Just casting my vote for GENESIS ANGELS.  Great book, interior/subjective

> look at that great poet; I have a postcard somewhere from Saroyan saying

> he tried it straight, writing it as a "regular" biography, and that it

> just didn't work, so he wrote it again "Beat" style (my adjective).

> Though literally a small book, it's pretty terrific.

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marlene, please email me privately at

country@sover.net

thanks

mc

 

Marlene Giraud wrote:

 

> moving marie...i simply love it. sounds like an excellent performance pice.

> BTW, i'm a performing poet, and i wondered if you'd mind if i performed your

> piece at a local coffeehouse here in south florida. i'll let them know the

> piece isn't mine. do you mind? i just love this piece. Its stirring.

> ~~Marlene

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At 09:41 AM 10/30/97 -0500, you wrote:

>If as according to Gerry Nicosia as posted here on the beat-l a LARGE PART

>of Jan's and Gerry's reason for filing the lawsuit was to stop the estate

>from selling off pieces of the archive which allegedly had been going on

>for three years. Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the lawsuit is

>bogus

 

Dear Phil,    Oct 30, 1997

        Let's get one fact straight.  I never filed a lawsuit against John

Sampas, although he apparently keeps telling people that.  Matt Theado

interviewed JS and wrote the same thing in the DICTIONARY OF LITERARY BIOGRAPHY.

        The only legal action I am involved in at present is the action by

Mr. John Lash to have me disqualified as Jan Kerouac's literary executor.

In this action, it is true, he is backed by Mr. Sampas.

        In the original brief that was filed with Jan's lawsuit, she states

her concern that the Sampas family has not been properly caring for her

father's estate.  This has been public knowledge since 1994, so please stop

acting like you just uncovered a big secret.

        Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia

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Gerald Nicosia wrote:

>

> acting like you just uncovered a big secret.

>         Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia

 

Gerry,

 

i imagine that you are the most expert of anyone on the list concerning

my questions about Gary Snyder vs. Jack's depiction of GS in novels.  In

your research for Memory Babe did you come across any wonderful tales

you could tell that address the differences between GS in life and GS in

Jack's novels?

 

I recognize that you are very very busy.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:39:55 -0800

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From:         ANNE ELIZABETH SNEDDON <sneddon@NEVADA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Neil re: Bill Burroughs jr.

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 I agree, and wonder why this book hasn't gained a newfound popularity

with the rise of the whole meth thing.  I think that book is guaranteed to

scare any tweeker straight!!

Anne Sneddon

 

On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Howard Park wrote:

 

> Everyone has his opinion.  I think that Bill Burroughs Jr.'s SPEED, is one of

> the 10 or so best books from the 60's.  I think it is excellent.  It is a

> great coming of age novel - testing limits, friendships and, of course drugs.

>  I don't think there is a better book about the scarey speed scene that arose

> in New York in the late 60's.

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I seem to remember that Gary pronounced Kerouac's portrayal of him in

Dharma Bums as pretty accurate and was agreeable about the whole thing.

 

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Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:48:38 -0800

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

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At 09:41 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Phil Chaput wrote:

 Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the lawsuit is

>bogus and made up just to find a way to stop the estate from selling items

>that they legally owned.

 

Dear Phil, Maher, Gyenis & Company:

 

        FRANKLY I AM GETTING DAMN TIRED OF YOUR INSINUATIONS EVERY DAMN DAY

THAT I AM A CROOK AND THAT JAN IS A CROOK AND/OR THAT I PUT HER UP TO A

"BOGUS LAWSUIT."

        The lawsuit was based on several key pieces of evidence, which included:

        1) the report by New ENgland Legal Investigations, one of the best

handwriting analysis firms in the country, used extensively by the fed

govt., that Gabrielle Kerouac's signature is "an obvious forgery"; and

        2) two sworn depositions by the one living "witness" to the will,

CLifford Larkin, that he never actually saw Gabrielle sign the will, in fact

he never in his life even saw her move either of her hands.

        That kind of evidence would be enough for me or anyone else to

conclude their grandmother's will was probably forged.

        If you have evidence that I put Jan up to a "bogus lawsuit," please

let us know what this evidence is.  Otherwise I will conclude you and your

friends are malicious slanderers.  Or maybe YOU'RE just a bunch of crooks.

        Not saying you are, but how do YOU like getting called a crook for a

change?

        Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      insomnia 4

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(i think)

in dreamless nights

 

in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

-the freedom

-the altitiude

-my shadow cast on the capes

 windspread wide and proud.

 

i no longer dream of flying,

 i no longer dream at all.

 

(I hail from the country of In Somnia

I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:

bane of darkness

wort of light

bones of a robin)

 

[the condescending smile of an eye

 as i beg for help,

condescending incomprehending eye]

 

so rejected,

i choose to stop such public presentations

i choose to live here in my palace,

peopled by imagination.

who is to say which is which?

the corporeal or the ethereal?

 

 

i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days

stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience

(audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)

dream weavers, you would no longer

be the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,

 

 

dream weavers you would have to be here

you would weave my passage with my message :

 

i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

by desperations,

i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

feel me,

i=92m in your pocket

i=92m here;

you awaken....

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:21:48 -0500

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      if blessing were like poets...(sorry a long one)

 

   If blessings were like poets and waterfalls could talk

     by marlene giraud

 

     i was reborn on a mountain top in north carolina

     lost myself in a waterfall

     in energy, power

     the power to let go

     i felt myself letting go

     pumping fibers of strength to the tips of my fingers

     generating streams of blue light

     connected to women

     to my friends

     to myself

     i wanted to climb

     crawl

     curl

     inside the raging thrusts of water

     make love

     passion

     to collide

     to recreate my self.

     i reeled and forced my soul to reawaken

     to rebirth

     to imagine        cool cool waters

     trembling

     furious

     afraid

     I was afraid!

     i held all my fears in my child hood

     in a little girl tucked shyly in the palm of my hand

     afraid

     afraid of men

     of nature

     of death

     of youth

     of impulses

        of this moment.....

     i stretched my arms like dancers do      long and full

     mists of air coating my face

     aware of nothing but water

             cold cold air

     the rush of wind

     the beating rythmns

                 I swallowed it

     let the music and magic invade me

     encompass me

                     (pass through me)

     feeling smooth wet stones beneath my feet

     slipping into a fever

      I was ALIVE

        awake and alive

      senses boiling

      gut wrenching

      i tingled  and churned

      waved my arms and hands through the moisture

      calling to it

      renaming it

      rolling it through my body

      inhaling the thrust of new life--- a new lover

i imagined myself as greenery spread along rock walls

      constantly hammered and wet

      beaten and pushed

      I felt life slamming me

      holding me

      rocking me

      beating me

      repeating me

      reliving

      dissolving discoloring

      reviving

      swirled    sprayed    spit

      taking pure breaths

      inwardly craving for the solace of my room

      to rewind

      hide again

      to be a child

      But I was angry and it overpowered me!

      i needed to let go

      remind myself of moments like these

      standing in wet sands        drippy cool

      on cliffs of my neediness

      teetering

      swaying

      letting moist winds slide inside me

      i wanted to sing-scream

            "WE ARE FORTUNATE ONES! FORTUNATE ONES!"

      and all the beauty and music and awe and vitality

      rose to my throat

      gurgle....sputter...choke....exhale..........

      mingle with the air and resonate

      in one long scream of renewal!

                  i collected the moment a million times

      reavowed my freedom

      crawled breathloessly out of the shell i had created

      all the flower fragranced poetry

      barefeet and boldness

                 The Woman I wanted to Be

       i shed my skin

      danced nude and encircled by a thousand tiny lightning bugs

       i felt the dead rise near me

       poets and nighttime friends

       teachers and campfire dreamers

       all reunited

       hovering in sweet circles around me

       guiding me

       i felt them in the pulsing of the night

       the splashed sands and falling rocks

       i held their hands

       created spheres of silvery sprinkled newness

               I was alive

            I WAS ALIVE

                       and i was Found.............

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:54:00 -0800

Reply-To:     Leon Tabory <letabor@cruzio.com>

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I have to tell you that I have no words. I guess awesome is a word. But does

it describe watching miracles happening?

 

Once you know that the chains that bind and entangle and stifle and butcher

into unrecognizable shape the words that cry out from the pressure of the

squeeze, once you can hear your voice push through all of that, my god I

knew and couldn't prove it to myself even all that power of knowledge and

statement that is hiding inside  in my soul that can come through through

the shaking vibrating fibers of my body unable to keep its sovereignty

intact, well when its done, take your place flesh and bone palace and

prison, open up windows, we can exist together, we know what is inside will

come through, there will come an end to the prison in the palace of, we

already know the soul was not overpowered, can't be, will not be, so take it

easy rest my body, it's allright.

 

Dear maries, I just had to say something, so I did, look at it as a loving

friend having to say something. Now i am going to do some of my chores.

 

Love

leon

-----Original Message-----

From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 10:04 AM

Subject: insomnia 4

 

 

(i think)

in dreamless nights

 

in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

-the freedom

-the altitiude

-my shadow cast on the capes

windspread wide and proud.

 

i no longer dream of flying,

i no longer dream at all.

 

(I hail from the country of In Somnia

Im only here to gather some ingredients:

bane of darkness

wort of light

bones of a robin)

 

[the condescending smile of an eye

as i beg for help,

condescending incomprehending eye]

 

so rejected,

i choose to stop such public presentations

i choose to live here in my palace,

peopled by imagination.

who is to say which is which?

the corporeal or the ethereal?

 

 

i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days

stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience

(audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)

dream weavers, you would no longer

be the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,

 

 

dream weavers you would have to be here

you would weave my passage with my message :

 

i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

by desperations,

i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

feel me,

im in your pocket

im here;

you awaken....

.-

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:53:41 PST

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Carolyn will be speaking at the University Of Santa Cruz Kresge Hall as

part of a series on The Beat Generation next Thursday, November 6 at 4

p.m. Today's lecture is By Dianne DePrima.

 

I don't have any information to add to James' response, except that from

what i heard from John (her son) and Ann Marie (Ann Marie and Carolyn

are very good friends. They correspond a lot, Carolyn is not reclusive

at all. I thought John said that she will stay in the USA only several

weeks.

 

I can forward any requests to John, who will graciously respond. I can

not, however, offer his email address. He explained to me the reason he

is not subscribing to the list is because he can't deal with a glut of

email. I could ask him permission if someone wanted it though.

 

Hope this helps

 

leon

 

>Date:         Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:59:49 -0800

>Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>From: ANNE ELIZABETH SNEDDON <sneddon@NEVADA.EDU>

>Subject:      Carolyn Cassady (was: Al Hinkle)

>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>

>Which reminds me, does Carolyn make any public appearances? Is she

>involved with anything on the Internet? Is it possible for

fans/students

>to get in touch with her, or is she reclusive?

>Anne Sneddon

>

>On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Levi Asher wrote:

>

>> To answer the question about Al Hinkle, the real life

>> Ed Dunkel of On The Road -- he died about a year ago.

>> He and his wife Helen (Galatea Dunkel) were still living

>> in the San Jose/Los Gatos area, and were still good

>> friends with Carolyn Cassady and the Cassady kids at the

>> end, which is a sort of interesting fact given the odd

>> way they met during that cross-country trip that is now

>> Beat legend ...

>>

>> -------------------------------------------------------

>> | Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com                    |

>> |                                                     |

>> |     Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |

>> |      (the beat literature web site)                 |

>> |                                                     |

>> |          "Coffeehouse: Writings from the Web"       |

>> |            (a real book, like on paper)             |

>> |               also at http://coffeehousebook.com    |

>> |                                                     |

>> |                   *---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* |

>> |                                                     |

>> |                            "Not sunglasses, shades" |

>> -------------------------------------------------------

>>

>.-

>

 

 

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:04:33 +0100

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From:         Jens Koch <jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK>

Subject:      The spontaneous flow of online threads

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Jorgiana wrote:

Have you noticed that in both instances (traffic and email) the rage =

comes about (maybe) due to the fact that we are, to a degree, anonymous? =

 

 

I'd like to express a thought or two on this. I can't see us being =

anonymous. Everywthing we write is being recorded in Cyberspace and will =

come back to haunt us when we least expect it.

The second thing is the manner in which we express ourselves. Writing an =

email is not the same thing as writing a letter nor is it the same thing =

as a spoken conversation. I believe the way we express ourselves online =

is reminiscent of  or in line with Jack Kerouac's ideas about =

Spontaneous Writing, which for instance requires that you do not select =

your expressions but  to freely "follow deviation (association) of mind =

into limitless blow-on subject seas of thought, swimming in sea of =

English with no discipline other than rhythms of rhetorical exhalation =

and expostulated statement, like a fist coming down on a table with each =

complete utterance, bang!"

I believe we have seen a lot of this type of spontaneous writing on =

BEAT-L since October 15. It may not always be pleasant but we should be =

grateful for that free flow of thoughts expressed here !

 

So how would Jack Kerouac have looked upon this medium of the =

spontaneous flow of online threads ?

Would he have joined in - insults and all - or would this writer of the =

"marathon linguistic flow" (in the words of John Tytell) have kept =

hitting the <delete> key ?=20

I think he would have been busy doing the former !

 

JK

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Dear Marie, Gerry and others ---

 

I'm teaching an Intro. to Lit. course at Montclair State U. this fall --- 5

p.m. mix of half second-career people in 30s and 40s and the rest about 18

through 20s.  I made it the "outsider" theme -- using Beat poetry, fiction and

nonfiction prose, as well as a great collection of African-American poetry ---

TROUBLE THE WATER.

 

Point?? -- After an initially lethargic 2 sessions, I assigned Kaufman's "Jazz

Chick," "O-Jazz-O" and "Round About Midnight," with other selections.  What a

turnon for the class --- They really started moving -- taking in the rhythms,

the sensuality, etc.

 

What I say, Gerry?  Just glad that you re-illuminated Kaufman's work.

 

Dawn

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:37:50 -0800

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Please dlete if this is a repeat. I have not received an acknowledgment when

I sent it before. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----

From: Leon Tabory <letabor@hotmail.com>

To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 11:53 AM

Subject: Re: Carolyn Cassady (was: Al Hinkle)

 

 

>Carolyn will be speaking at the University Of Santa Cruz Kresge Hall as

>part of a series on The Beat Generation next Thursday, November 6 at 4

>p.m. Today's lecture is By Dianne DePrima.

>

>I don't have any information to add to James' response, except that from

>what i heard from John (her son) and Ann Marie (Ann Marie and Carolyn

>are very good friends. They correspond a lot, Carolyn is not reclusive

>at all. I thought John said that she will stay in the USA only several

>weeks.

>

>I can forward any requests to John, who will graciously respond. I can

>not, however, offer his email address. He explained to me the reason he

>is not subscribing to the list is because he can't deal with a glut of

>email. I could ask him permission if someone wanted it though.

>

>Hope this helps

>

>leon

>

>>Date:         Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:59:49 -0800

>>Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>>From: ANNE ELIZABETH SNEDDON <sneddon@NEVADA.EDU>

>>Subject:      Carolyn Cassady (was: Al Hinkle)

>>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>>

>>Which reminds me, does Carolyn make any public appearances? Is she

>>involved with anything on the Internet? Is it possible for

>fans/students

>>to get in touch with her, or is she reclusive?

>>Anne Sneddon

>>

>>On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Levi Asher wrote:

>>

>>> To answer the question about Al Hinkle, the real life

>>> Ed Dunkel of On The Road -- he died about a year ago.

>>> He and his wife Helen (Galatea Dunkel) were still living

>>> in the San Jose/Los Gatos area, and were still good

>>> friends with Carolyn Cassady and the Cassady kids at the

>>> end, which is a sort of interesting fact given the odd

>>> way they met during that cross-country trip that is now

>>> Beat legend ...

>>>

>>> -------------------------------------------------------

>>> | Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com                    |

>>> |                                                     |

>>> |     Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |

>>> |      (the beat literature web site)                 |

>>> |                                                     |

>>> |          "Coffeehouse: Writings from the Web"       |

>>> |            (a real book, like on paper)             |

>>> |               also at http://coffeehousebook.com    |

>>> |                                                     |

>>> |                   *---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* |

>>> |                                                     |

>>> |                            "Not sunglasses, shades" |

>>> -------------------------------------------------------

>>>

>>.-

>>

>

>

>______________________________________________________

>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Dear David,

 

I too am a great admirer of the works which William S. Burroughs

produced and have spent close to a year both purchasing and studying

his titles.  I had the pleasure of meeting him on one occasion and was

at his funeral.

Though there are several people whom I could write about (Beethoven,

Philip Larkin, A. Rich, Jack Kerouac, ad infinitum), I too would like

to write an academic publication regarding Burroughs' works.  His

insight into the disordered and random bombardment of unsolicited

images which society is exposed to each day was recognized as early as

his works dealing with the "cut-up" and "fold-in" techniques (Minutes

to Go, The Exterminator, and culminating in The Third Mind), - He

would probably like me to give Brion Gysin credit on the discover of

the cut-up technique.  His observations, especially those which

focused on the randomness of "Reality," caused by "the Word virus,"

the mirror-like photographs produced by Ian Sommerville - the cover

for the Olympia Press edition of The Ticket That Exploded is a

wonderful example, (and which he later expounded upon with his

shot-gun art), foresaw "Chaos" theory years ahead of the scientific

community.

 

His theories on the abuses available to those in CONTROL are

wonderfully articulated in his earlier works such as TIME (where such

a seemingly obvious notion as that those who are in control of the

major media outlets - Time-Life, Newsweek, CNN, and the major

newspapers such as The Washington Post and The New York Times (whose

boilerplate he may have cut-up to read "All the print that fits the

news,"), have the wherewithal to actually CREATE the objective news we

read.  Take for example a publication such as Newsweek - by the time

it reaches the stands, it full of the "news" events from both the

previous week but also sets the tone for what's to come.  By creating

and deciding what is news worthy - they and other media outlets can

later follow up and give life to these "created" articles.  In

articulating the environment in which he lived during his days as a

Junkie, he observed that before a Federal Narcotics Bureau had been

formed, the heroin issue/problem was relegated to a small group of

park hussler's whose activities if covered at all, were relegated to a

paragraph at the end of a newspaper.  He saw that today the same topic

has been moved to the front page headlines, where the same issue has

been defined in terms of "the American drug epidemic," and the need

for a continued "War on Drugs."

 

He, as well as Ginsberg, spent much time investigating the reported

"growth" in drug consumption only to find that around 1920 or so,

doctors were being arrested, imprisoned, and continually harassed if

they were prescribing pain-alleviating medication which contained any

derivate of Opium.  This was being done in spite of the fact the the

U.S. Supreme Court had made a clear ruling (the case name I cannot

presently recall, but involved an issue of interpretation into The

Harrison Drug Act).  The court ruled that doctors should not be

prevented from choosing a treatment, which in their professional

opinion would aid their patients sufferings.  This was in accord with

a Doctor's Hippocratic Oath to heal their patients sufferings.

 

The result of the massive onslaught against the physicians (and the

legal fees many incurred to prevent themselves from going to jail),

was to stifle the medical profession from dispensing habit forming

pain-killers.  Burroughs, Ginsberg, and others were of the opinion

that this resulted in driving a once, relatively small number of

addicts (many who were "employed and respected individuals," in

contrast to the stereotypical "addict" society is led to believe

exists), into searching for other avenues for their addictions.  These

people were now forced to become "criminals" by seeking proscribed

"drugs" on the streets.  Burroughs' understand the driving impetus

behind the change (those addicted to control and power), which has

resulted in the overcrowded prisons (a good percentage full of

non-violent drug users who were arrested for the possession of illegal

drugs), which our society faces today.

 

His "Algebra of Need," a metaphor for the myriad of addictions which

exist today (i.e. power, drugs, money, sex, control etc.), is clear in

its identification of those addicted to power and control of others as

the driving force behind our governments policy towards drug

addiction.  There is a tremendous amount of money generated by a penal

system which continues to arrest drug users and imprison them, with

only a minimal emphasis spent on prevention and cure.  It's a

lucrative and repetitive cycle for those involved, and addicted, to

the "rewards" our penal system offers.  Many attorneys, courts and

their subsequent fees, police officers, judges, prison wardens and

guards ect., will continue to have their addictions to power and money

fed, while those in need of medical, spiritual, and economic aid

continue to suffer as a result.

 

Burroughs claimed that his "recovery" from his heroin addiction,

(acquired with the aid of the Apomorphine Cure he received from Dr.

Dent in England), worked by regulating the body's natural metabolic

systems until the drug could be eliminate from its system.  It sharply

reduced the "Junk Sickness," which prevents other addicts from

discontinuing its use.  Why?, he wondered was this treatment never

permitted a license for usage in America.  He knew there was too much

money to be gained on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies (with

their myriad of available ailments which generate billions of dollars

annually), to permit such a simple, less costly cure.  [I believe that

either heroin or methadone use is permitted in England where the "drug

problem" is not near as great as what has resulted by the use of our

system of criminalization].

 

As to your question regarding the opening of Dead City Radio:

 

> 1)  William's Welcome -- On Dead City Radio -- What are you here for?

> We're all here to go into space!!!  -- or somesuch.  Does this text

> appear somewhere in writing that I might want to track down?

>

though I am not with my reference material at the moment, i believe it

originates from Brion Gysin's book entitled: The Process. If you have

access to RE/SEARCH #4/5 it too lists the source so check there.

 

As to your inquiry into Burroughs' statement:

 

> 2)  A line without a context.  Somewhere I have seen in connection or

> quotation with William Burroughs the following line "Travel is

> necessary, living isn't" or something like that.  Any help in tracking

> down where that might come from???

>

I will gladly get back to you fore he made a few statements that come

to mind, but one can be found on p. 21 of the Penguin paperback

edition of The Job. "Navigare neccesse es. Vivare no es necesse." -

"It is necessary to travel.  It is not necessary to live."

 

If you get a chance I would be interested in seeing/obtaining a copy

of your term-paper which you feel needs some revision:

 

perhaps it is time

> as a very long term project to begin to re-write this project from the

> beginning

 

Best of luck with your endeavor -

 

Jonathan Baker

 

 

===

Jonathan Baker

c/o J.D. Books

P.O. Box 10307

Kansas City, MO. 64171-0307

U.S.A.

1-(816)-561-5702

Web: http://www.abebooks.com/home/JDBOOK/

 

 

 

---RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET> wrote:

>

> Well I have my other computer set up in the bedroom writing table area

> now.  One thing I found on it was a fairly shabby master's thesis

about

> the language strategies of the advocates for space colonization.  It

> seems that for a number of reasons it is time to slowly begin to

> translate the significant work i did on that project into something

that

> is REAL!!!!

>

> And William S. Burroughs writings are certainly an influence since

then

> which need to be spliced into the stew.  So questions from the Gallery

> for potential threads or backchannel replies (for the timid).

>

 

 

> 3)  How does number 2 relate to WSB's attitude towards Neal's motion

> without purpose lifestyle?  Just opinions there -- anybody? anybody?

>

> 4)  Stasis Horrors.  This seems to be a biological argument by WSB for

> movement -- I've seen and heard of it many many times.  Can folks help

> me out with specific references.

>

> 5)  Anything and everything else :)

>

> my rather immature examination before led to a conclusion concerning

the

> use of frontier myths and metaphors as well as science fiction and

> fantasy themes as a means to almost hypnotize the audience into a lack

> of interest in the technical arguments.  To me this should have been

the

> first chapter and go from there.  Unfortunately, the adviser had other

> notions.  I have much more respect for him now -- but  I'd suggested

towards an ending that the future of the

> universe may only know.

>

> Other backchannel requests:

>

> Many of you are beginning to understand that i REALLY AM illiterate in

> the sense of literature.  I know how to treat politics as a text,

> foreign policy decisions as texts, and employ literary critical

tools in

> examining them -- often finding soap opera generes at work :)

>

> If you can suggest backchannel things i should look into in terms of

> literature and narrative in the following areas that relate to this

long

> term project I'd appreciate it.

>

> Frontier themes:  I am very deep on the philosophy and history of the

> frontier notions of American history.  I know nothing about the

literary

> experience.

>

> Science fiction:  About the only science fiction I've read to date are

> things which appear within the texts of presumably non-fiction books

> like Gerard O'Neill's The High Frontier and the like.

>

> Science fantasy:  I understand the distinctions here between fiction

and

> fantasy but that is as far as I go.

>

> In terms of suggestions -- I'd ask for notions that are:

>

> 1)  Classics within these genres so to speak (from your perspective)

>

> 2)  Possibly connected to the readings of WSB (if this is possible to

> guess).

>

> Any help is appreciated.

>

> <listening to Bruce Cockburn ... mellow finding old projects never

> completed on old computer that is now my "writing" computer.>

>

> david rhaesa

> salina, Kansas

>

 

 

 

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IN SOMNIA

 

   for the fourth day

   in the fourth year

   up here in north country

each autumn

   i dwell in the land of

   in Somnia.

 

   in Somnia,

   the rules change:

   clocks run backwards

   as

   fast as ahead

   and collide,

   like two perfectly balanced arrows

   two exquistely aimed arrorws

   meeting in mid flight -

 

time

   collapses.

 

   i=92ve tried

   doctors

   pills!

   special pillows

   herbal remedies

   warm milk!

   relaxation, meditation

   chants!

   (and furtive readings from the =91self help=92

   corner of local bookstore )

 

   hell,

   i=92ve even taken to ale again

   as my corner store is a

   redemption center!

 

   redemption through ales!

   they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,

   and my pockets of change for replacements

   (hell,

   i think  when abstinent,

   they preyed for my redemption!)

 

   but,

   nothing changes.

   Until, 72 hours into

   black night slowly

   inching its way to dawn,

   i look out my window

   and

   see the first snow fall

   of autumn.

   i take this as an omen

   i take this as a vision

   i take this as a balm,

   and i thank the winds of change :

 

   with same disease as allen

   cooking in my body

   at times quiescent,

   other times raging,

    a life line without guarrentee

   a reminder of mortality,

 

   i

   suspect the gods are smiling on me

   giving me more time

   to store up against an early death

 

   so charged,

   writing always becomes electric,

   a force of its own :

   vowels

   consonants

   metaphors

   voices

ring in my head,

 

   so i spend time with poets

   who would rather

   stay dead:

 

   Woolfe, Sexton, Plath

   (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow their path),

 

   or that of ti Jean,

   Kerouac :

   it=92s a critical mass:

   one can drown in water, or in wine,

   nothing sublime about that.

 

   is it an affliction,

   these extra hours,

   dark, quiet, soft snow falling

 

   or gift?

   (these extra hours

   dark, quiet, soft snow falling)

 

   i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling

   hours as the horizon point is touched by flame

 

   i=92m still awake

   when daybreak changes snow to rain

   snow washed away

   in to the rain

 

   i=92m still awake

 

   i=92m still awake

 

   i=92m still awake

   oct 24, 97

~

mc

 

  lately i just keep waking       to anna, with thanks

 

 

   lately i just keep waking alone

   in the black of night

   i breathe shallow i wear earphones

   not to wake you

 

   not to wake you

   i breathe shallowly

   3 am 4 am

   mind wanders and stumbles

    stuck in the valley of consciousness

   black timelessness,

    i don=92t

   think of tomorrow, rather

   merge with the blackness

   listen to the burning

   fire

   in my ears,  break free      --the passions wax in my ears,

   and turning,

   turn up the volume on the

   sobbing stereo wailing

   i make my choice

   light the candle

   shed my

   clothes

   twirl on the balls of my

   feet and let

   my hips find their own rhythm

   scarf in hand,

   flung swirls, settles

   the lamp shadows cast,

   i dance to my anima,

   shadow cast

    i ride the fiddles

   in the midst of hurricane

   a halcyon dance.

 

   go away if it bothers you, in fact

   please go away.

   its the blackness you see

   the blackness and me

   everybody nobody knows about me

   nobody everybody

   nobody knows about me

   the song

   the vigil

   energy

 

   oct 29 97

~

dance

 

in camplight

all others ringed round the fire asleep

ceiling of skies, sleepless

 

blanket round shoulders

i sit and bend towards fire

sweat raises on shoulders

firelight warmth

sudden gust of cold, then icy fire

he appears

my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion

if you will, my metaphor

 

and the firelight

turns to music

sweat raises to shoulders

and muscles obey

 

running electric alive

to all casual eyes

i dance alone in the desert

 

oh please,

oh please,

hear me hear out my story

because you were in it

alive alive alive

you

who are you

who are you

my

angst

my

well chosen adversary

my brother

my killer

life giver

who

 

and why then crave i sleep

the question

so easily cicles

chasing me all around leading me all around in circles

dream on

~~~

in dreamless nights

10/30

 

in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

-the freedom

-the altitiude

-my shadow cast on the capes

 windspread wide and proud.

 

i no longer dream of flying,

 i no longer dream at all.

 

(I hail from the country of In Somnia

I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:

bane of darkness

wort of light

bones of a robin)

 

[the condescending smile of an eye

 as i beg for help,

condescending incomprehending eye]

 

so rejected,

i choose to stop such public presentations

i choose to live here in my palace,

peopled by imagination.

who is to say which is which?

the corporeal or the ethereal?

 

 

i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days

stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience

(audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)

dream weavers, you would no longer

be the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,

 

 

dream weavers you would have to be here

you would weave my passage with my message :

 

i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

by desperations,

i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

feel me,

i=92m in your pocket

i=92m here;

you awaken....

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Marie,

 

i think you broke my personal record for insomnia this stint and i must

smile that you also produced such a lovely chronicle of the experience.=20

 

it is definitely not in my quick delete file -- it is in my sweet marie

save file

 

hope that any brainstorms which came and went are calming for you.

 

david rhaesa

 

 

Marie Countryman wrote:

>=20

> IN SOMNIA

>=20

>    for the fourth day

>    in the fourth year

>    up here in north country

> each autumn

>    i dwell in the land of

>    in Somnia.

>=20

>    in Somnia,

>    the rules change:

>    clocks run backwards

>    as

>    fast as ahead

>    and collide,

>    like two perfectly balanced arrows

>    two exquistely aimed arrorws

>    meeting in mid flight -

>=20

> time

>    collapses.

>=20

>    i=92ve tried

>    doctors

>    pills!

>    special pillows

>    herbal remedies

>    warm milk!

>    relaxation, meditation

>    chants!

>    (and furtive readings from the =91self help=92

>    corner of local bookstore )

>=20

>    hell,

>    i=92ve even taken to ale again

>    as my corner store is a

>    redemption center!

>=20

>    redemption through ales!

>    they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,

>    and my pockets of change for replacements

>    (hell,

>    i think  when abstinent,

>    they preyed for my redemption!)

>=20

>    but,

>    nothing changes.

>    Until, 72 hours into

>    black night slowly

>    inching its way to dawn,

>    i look out my window

>    and

>    see the first snow fall

>    of autumn.

>    i take this as an omen

>    i take this as a vision

>    i take this as a balm,

>    and i thank the winds of change :

>=20

>    with same disease as allen

>    cooking in my body

>    at times quiescent,

>    other times raging,

>     a life line without guarrentee

>    a reminder of mortality,

>=20

>    i

>    suspect the gods are smiling on me

>    giving me more time

>    to store up against an early death

>=20

>    so charged,

>    writing always becomes electric,

>    a force of its own :

>    vowels

>    consonants

>    metaphors

>    voices

> ring in my head,

>=20

>    so i spend time with poets

>    who would rather

>    stay dead:

>=20

>    Woolfe, Sexton, Plath

>    (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow their path),

>=20

>    or that of ti Jean,

>    Kerouac :

>    it=92s a critical mass:

>    one can drown in water, or in wine,

>    nothing sublime about that.

>=20

>    is it an affliction,

>    these extra hours,

>    dark, quiet, soft snow falling

>=20

>    or gift?

>    (these extra hours

>    dark, quiet, soft snow falling)

>=20

>    i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling

>    hours as the horizon point is touched by flame

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>    when daybreak changes snow to rain

>    snow washed away

>    in to the rain

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>    oct 24, 97

> ~

> mc

>=20

>   lately i just keep waking       to anna, with thanks

>=20

>    lately i just keep waking alone

>    in the black of night

>    i breathe shallow i wear earphones

>    not to wake you

>=20

>    not to wake you

>    i breathe shallowly

>    3 am 4 am

>    mind wanders and stumbles

>     stuck in the valley of consciousness

>    black timelessness,

>     i don=92t

>    think of tomorrow, rather

>    merge with the blackness

>    listen to the burning

>    fire

>    in my ears,  break free      --the passions wax in my ears,

>    and turning,

>    turn up the volume on the

>    sobbing stereo wailing

>    i make my choice

>    light the candle

>    shed my

>    clothes

>    twirl on the balls of my

>    feet and let

>    my hips find their own rhythm

>    scarf in hand,

>    flung swirls, settles

>    the lamp shadows cast,

>    i dance to my anima,

>    shadow cast

>     i ride the fiddles

>    in the midst of hurricane

>    a halcyon dance.

>=20

>    go away if it bothers you, in fact

>    please go away.

>    its the blackness you see

>    the blackness and me

>    everybody nobody knows about me

>    nobody everybody

>    nobody knows about me

>    the song

>    the vigil

>    energy

>=20

>    oct 29 97

> ~

> dance

>=20

> in camplight

> all others ringed round the fire asleep

> ceiling of skies, sleepless

>=20

> blanket round shoulders

> i sit and bend towards fire

> sweat raises on shoulders

> firelight warmth

> sudden gust of cold, then icy fire

> he appears

> my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion

> if you will, my metaphor

>=20

> and the firelight

> turns to music

> sweat raises to shoulders

> and muscles obey

>=20

> running electric alive

> to all casual eyes

> i dance alone in the desert

>=20

> oh please,

> oh please,

> hear me hear out my story

> because you were in it

> alive alive alive

> you

> who are you

> who are you

> my

> angst

> my

> well chosen adversary

> my brother

> my killer

> life giver

> who

>=20

> and why then crave i sleep

> the question

> so easily cicles

> chasing me all around leading me all around in circles

> dream on

> ~~~

> in dreamless nights

> 10/30

>=20

> in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

> -the freedom

> -the altitiude

> -my shadow cast on the capes

>  windspread wide and proud.

>=20

> i no longer dream of flying,

>  i no longer dream at all.

>=20

> (I hail from the country of In Somnia

> I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:

> bane of darkness

> wort of light

> bones of a robin)

>=20

> [the condescending smile of an eye

>  as i beg for help,

> condescending incomprehending eye]

>=20

> so rejected,

> i choose to stop such public presentations

> i choose to live here in my palace,

> peopled by imagination.

> who is to say which is which?

> the corporeal or the ethereal?

>=20

> i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days

> stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience

> (audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)

> dream weavers, you would no longer

> be the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,

>=20

> dream weavers you would have to be here

> you would weave my passage with my message :

>=20

> i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

> by desperations,

> i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

> feel me,

> i=92m in your pocket

> i=92m here;

> you awaken....

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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, J.D. Books wrote:

 

> Take for example a publication such as Newsweek - by the time

> it reaches the stands, it full of the "news" events from both the

> previous week but also sets the tone for what's to come.  By creating

> and deciding what is news worthy - they and other media outlets can

> later follow up and give life to these "created" articles.

 

On a spoken-word tape of his, Alan Watts had a little anecdote that I think

is the same principle. The way we are conditioned to look at life is that we

are constantly being pushed into the future, with little or no say in the

matter -- wherever we are going is apparent by what has already happened.

Newsweek etc. are proponents of this viewpoint, because they set the tone

for what is to come. Alternately, he said, one could turn this thinking

around by focusing on the present moment: that what is going on right now

determines where we have been and what has already happened. No deciding the

future.

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give me ma due and try adn tape it. i am developing performance pieces mayself

marie

Marlene Giraud wrote:

 

> moving marie...i simply love it. sounds like an excellent performance pice.

> BTW, i'm a performing poet, and i wondered if you'd mind if i performed your

> piece at a local coffeehouse here in south florida. i'll let them know the

> piece isn't mine. do you mind? i just love this piece. Its stirring.

> ~~Marlene

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thdnks dave i think my brain is on fire this time, i think i broke new

ground. and yeah, i've broken new psychosomatic grounds i go in for serie=

s

of tests tomorrow nervous ssystem is firing at will zippin and zappin me.

i take a small pharmacy to get to sleep. hour or so. wowza.

 

RACE --- wrote:

 

> Marie,

>

> i think you broke my personal record for insomnia this stint and i must

> smile that you also produced such a lovely chronicle of the experience.

>

> it is definitely not in my quick delete file -- it is in my sweet marie

> save file

>

> hope that any brainstorms which came and went are calming for you.

>

> david rhaesa

>

> Marie Countryman wrote:

> >

> > IN SOMNIA

> >

> >    for the fourth day

> >    in the fourth year

> >    up here in north country

> > each autumn

> >    i dwell in the land of

> >    in Somnia.

> >

> >    in Somnia,

> >    the rules change:

> >    clocks run backwards

> >    as

> >    fast as ahead

> >    and collide,

> >    like two perfectly balanced arrows

> >    two exquistely aimed arrorws

> >    meeting in mid flight -

> >

> > time

> >    collapses.

> >

> >    i=92ve tried

> >    doctors

> >    pills!

> >    special pillows

> >    herbal remedies

> >    warm milk!

> >    relaxation, meditation

> >    chants!

> >    (and furtive readings from the =91self help=92

> >    corner of local bookstore )

> >

> >    hell,

> >    i=92ve even taken to ale again

> >    as my corner store is a

> >    redemption center!

> >

> >    redemption through ales!

> >    they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,

> >    and my pockets of change for replacements

> >    (hell,

> >    i think  when abstinent,

> >    they preyed for my redemption!)

> >

> >    but,

> >    nothing changes.

> >    Until, 72 hours into

> >    black night slowly

> >    inching its way to dawn,

> >    i look out my window

> >    and

> >    see the first snow fall

> >    of autumn.

> >    i take this as an omen

> >    i take this as a vision

> >    i take this as a balm,

> >    and i thank the winds of change :

> >

> >    with same disease as allen

> >    cooking in my body

> >    at times quiescent,

> >    other times raging,

> >     a life line without guarrentee

> >    a reminder of mortality,

> >

> >    i

> >    suspect the gods are smiling on me

> >    giving me more time

> >    to store up against an early death

> >

> >    so charged,

> >    writing always becomes electric,

> >    a force of its own :

> >    vowels

> >    consonants

> >    metaphors

> >    voices

> > ring in my head,

> >

> >    so i spend time with poets

> >    who would rather

> >    stay dead:

> >

> >    Woolfe, Sexton, Plath

> >    (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow their path),

> >

> >    or that of ti Jean,

> >    Kerouac :

> >    it=92s a critical mass:

> >    one can drown in water, or in wine,

> >    nothing sublime about that.

> >

> >    is it an affliction,

> >    these extra hours,

> >    dark, quiet, soft snow falling

> >

> >    or gift?

> >    (these extra hours

> >    dark, quiet, soft snow falling)

> >

> >    i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling

> >    hours as the horizon point is touched by flame

> >

> >    i=92m still awake

> >    when daybreak changes snow to rain

> >    snow washed away

> >    in to the rain

> >

> >    i=92m still awake

> >

> >    i=92m still awake

> >

> >    i=92m still awake

> >    oct 24, 97

> > ~

> > mc

> >

> >   lately i just keep waking       to anna, with thanks

> >

> >    lately i just keep waking alone

> >    in the black of night

> >    i breathe shallow i wear earphones

> >    not to wake you

> >

> >    not to wake you

> >    i breathe shallowly

> >    3 am 4 am

> >    mind wanders and stumbles

> >     stuck in the valley of consciousness

> >    black timelessness,

> >     i don=92t

> >    think of tomorrow, rather

> >    merge with the blackness

> >    listen to the burning

> >    fire

> >    in my ears,  break free      --the passions wax in my ears,

> >    and turning,

> >    turn up the volume on the

> >    sobbing stereo wailing

> >    i make my choice

> >    light the candle

> >    shed my

> >    clothes

> >    twirl on the balls of my

> >    feet and let

> >    my hips find their own rhythm

> >    scarf in hand,

> >    flung swirls, settles

> >    the lamp shadows cast,

> >    i dance to my anima,

> >    shadow cast

> >     i ride the fiddles

> >    in the midst of hurricane

> >    a halcyon dance.

> >

> >    go away if it bothers you, in fact

> >    please go away.

> >    its the blackness you see

> >    the blackness and me

> >    everybody nobody knows about me

> >    nobody everybody

> >    nobody knows about me

> >    the song

> >    the vigil

> >    energy

> >

> >    oct 29 97

> > ~

> > dance

> >

> > in camplight

> > all others ringed round the fire asleep

> > ceiling of skies, sleepless

> >

> > blanket round shoulders

> > i sit and bend towards fire

> > sweat raises on shoulders

> > firelight warmth

> > sudden gust of cold, then icy fire

> > he appears

> > my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion

> > if you will, my metaphor

> >

> > and the firelight

> > turns to music

> > sweat raises to shoulders

> > and muscles obey

> >

> > running electric alive

> > to all casual eyes

> > i dance alone in the desert

> >

> > oh please,

> > oh please,

> > hear me hear out my story

> > because you were in it

> > alive alive alive

> > you

> > who are you

> > who are you

> > my

> > angst

> > my

> > well chosen adversary

> > my brother

> > my killer

> > life giver

> > who

> >

> > and why then crave i sleep

> > the question

> > so easily cicles

> > chasing me all around leading me all around in circles

> > dream on

> > ~~~

> > in dreamless nights

> > 10/30

> >

> > in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

> > -the freedom

> > -the altitiude

> > -my shadow cast on the capes

> >  windspread wide and proud.

> >

> > i no longer dream of flying,

> >  i no longer dream at all.

> >

> > (I hail from the country of In Somnia

> > I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:

> > bane of darkness

> > wort of light

> > bones of a robin)

> >

> > [the condescending smile of an eye

> >  as i beg for help,

> > condescending incomprehending eye]

> >

> > so rejected,

> > i choose to stop such public presentations

> > i choose to live here in my palace,

> > peopled by imagination.

> > who is to say which is which?

> > the corporeal or the ethereal?

> >

> > i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days

> > stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience

> > (audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)

> > dream weavers, you would no longer

> > be the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,

> >

> > dream weavers you would have to be here

> > you would weave my passage with my message :

> >

> > i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

> > by desperations,

> > i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

> > feel me,

> > i=92m in your pocket

> > i=92m here;

> > you awaken....

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Marie Countryman wrote:

>=20

> IN SOMNIA

>=20

>    for the fourth day

>    in the fourth year

>    up here in north country

> each autumn

>    i dwell in the land of

>    in Somnia.

>=20

>    in Somnia,

>    the rules change:

>    clocks run backwards

>    as

>    fast as ahead

>    and collide,

>    like two perfectly balanced arrows

>    two exquistely aimed arrorws

>    meeting in mid flight -

>=20

> time

>    collapses.

>=20

>    i=92ve tried

>    doctors

>    pills!

>    special pillows

>    herbal remedies

>    warm milk!

>    relaxation, meditation

>    chants!

>    (and furtive readings from the =91self help=92

>    corner of local bookstore )

>=20

>    hell,

>    i=92ve even taken to ale again

>    as my corner store is a

>    redemption center!

>=20

>    redemption through ales!

>    they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,

>    and my pockets of change for replacements

>    (hell,

>    i think  when abstinent,

>    they preyed for my redemption!)

>=20

>    but,

>    nothing changes.

>    Until, 72 hours into

>    black night slowly

>    inching its way to dawn,

>    i look out my window

>    and

>    see the first snow fall

>    of autumn.

>    i take this as an omen

>    i take this as a vision

>    i take this as a balm,

>    and i thank the winds of change :

>=20

>    with same disease as allen

>    cooking in my body

>    at times quiescent,

>    other times raging,

>     a life line without guarrentee

>    a reminder of mortality,

>=20

>    i

>    suspect the gods are smiling on me

>    giving me more time

>    to store up against an early death

>=20

>    so charged,

>    writing always becomes electric,

>    a force of its own :

>    vowels

>    consonants

>    metaphors

>    voices

> ring in my head,

>=20

>    so i spend time with poets

>    who would rather

>    stay dead:

>=20

>    Woolfe, Sexton, Plath

>    (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow their path),

>=20

>    or that of ti Jean,

>    Kerouac :

>    it=92s a critical mass:

>    one can drown in water, or in wine,

>    nothing sublime about that.

>=20

>    is it an affliction,

>    these extra hours,

>    dark, quiet, soft snow falling

>=20

>    or gift?

>    (these extra hours

>    dark, quiet, soft snow falling)

>=20

>    i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling

>    hours as the horizon point is touched by flame

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>    when daybreak changes snow to rain

>    snow washed away

>    in to the rain

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>=20

>    i=92m still awake

>    oct 24, 97

> ~

> mc

>=20

>   lately i just keep waking       to anna, with thanks

>=20

>    lately i just keep waking alone

>    in the black of night

>    i breathe shallow i wear earphones

>    not to wake you

>=20

>    not to wake you

>    i breathe shallowly

>    3 am 4 am

>    mind wanders and stumbles

>     stuck in the valley of consciousness

>    black timelessness,

>     i don=92t

>    think of tomorrow, rather

>    merge with the blackness

>    listen to the burning

>    fire

>    in my ears,  break free      --the passions wax in my ears,

>    and turning,

>    turn up the volume on the

>    sobbing stereo wailing

>    i make my choice

>    light the candle

>    shed my

>    clothes

>    twirl on the balls of my

>    feet and let

>    my hips find their own rhythm

>    scarf in hand,

>    flung swirls, settles

>    the lamp shadows cast,

>    i dance to my anima,

>    shadow cast

>     i ride the fiddles

>    in the midst of hurricane

>    a halcyon dance.

>=20

>    go away if it bothers you, in fact

>    please go away.

>    its the blackness you see

>    the blackness and me

>    everybody nobody knows about me

>    nobody everybody

>    nobody knows about me

>    the song

>    the vigil

>    energy

>=20

>    oct 29 97

> ~

> dance

>=20

> in camplight

> all others ringed round the fire asleep

> ceiling of skies, sleepless

>=20

> blanket round shoulders

> i sit and bend towards fire

> sweat raises on shoulders

> firelight warmth

> sudden gust of cold, then icy fire

> he appears

> my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion

> if you will, my metaphor

>=20

> and the firelight

> turns to music

> sweat raises to shoulders

> and muscles obey

>=20

> running electric alive

> to all casual eyes

> i dance alone in the desert

>=20

> oh please,

> oh please,

> hear me hear out my story

> because you were in it

> alive alive alive

> you

> who are you

> who are you

> my

> angst

> my

> well chosen adversary

> my brother

> my killer

> life giver

> who

>=20

> and why then crave i sleep

> the question

> so easily cicles

> chasing me all around leading me all around in circles

> dream on

> ~~~

> in dreamless nights

> 10/30

>=20

> in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

> -the freedom

> -the altitiude

> -my shadow cast on the capes

>  windspread wide and proud.

>=20

> i no longer dream of flying,

>  i no longer dream at all.

>=20

> (I hail from the country of In Somnia

> I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:

> bane of darkness

> wort of light

> bones of a robin)

>=20

> [the condescending smile of an eye

>  as i beg for help,

> condescending incomprehending eye]

>=20

> so rejected,

> i choose to stop such public presentations

> i choose to live here in my palace,

> peopled by imagination.

> who is to say which is which?

> the corporeal or the ethereal?

>=20

> i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days

> stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience

> (audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)

> dream weavers, you would no longer

> be the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,

>=20

> dream weavers you would have to be here

> you would weave my passage with my message :

>=20

> i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

> by desperations,

> i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

> feel me,

> i=92m in your pocket

> i=92m here;

> you awaken....

 

marie i was inspired to find my tape of your table readings and put it

in the deck.  I'm in the Lefty's right now which are still maybe my

favourites - although these insomnia poems might be close.

 

of course other causes of insomnia=20

 

Sleepless Nights

2-24-94

6:13 am shoney's bettendorf ia

 

Insomnia

What is the cause?

A disease of brain chemistry

OR

the chanting sounds

of the moans and snores

of a dear person=20

nearby?

6:14 am

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:28:09 -0600

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Subject:      WSB cameo in Harper's magazine

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I received the following message this week from Stephen Ronan of Beat

Books:

 

"For an interesting read with an unexpected WSB appearance, check out the

current (OCT) issue of Harper's---the main feature about driving Einstein's

brain cross country."

 

Has anyone seen this piece?

 

Jym

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From:         "Paul A. Maher Jr." <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question for Bentz as a lawyer

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At 09:48 AM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote:

>At 09:41 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Phil Chaput wrote:

> Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the lawsuit is

>>bogus and made up just to find a way to stop the estate from selling items

>>that they legally owned.

>

>Dear Phil, Maher, Gyenis & Company:

>

>        FRANKLY I AM GETTING DAMN TIRED OF YOUR INSINUATIONS EVERY DAMN DAY

>THAT I AM A CROOK AND THAT JAN IS A CROOK AND/OR THAT I PUT HER UP TO A

>"BOGUS LAWSUIT."

>        The lawsuit was based on several key pieces of evidence, which

included:

>        1) the report by New ENgland Legal Investigations, one of the best

>handwriting analysis firms in the country, used extensively by the fed

>govt., that Gabrielle Kerouac's signature is "an obvious forgery"; and

>        2) two sworn depositions by the one living "witness" to the will,

>CLifford Larkin, that he never actually saw Gabrielle sign the will, in fact

>he never in his life even saw her move either of her hands.

>        That kind of evidence would be enough for me or anyone else to

>conclude their grandmother's will was probably forged.

>        If you have evidence that I put Jan up to a "bogus lawsuit," please

>let us know what this evidence is.  Otherwise I will conclude you and your

>friends are malicious slanderers.  Or maybe YOU'RE just a bunch of crooks.

>        Not saying you are, but how do YOU like getting called a crook for a

>change?

>        Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia

>I saw, at John Sampas' house, that piece of supposed evidence (Gabrielle

Kerouac's will) was in fact signed by two (2) witnesses and signed by each.

Clifford Larkin and Norman Barraby. The only way this would have been

accepted as such by the Deputy Clerk (who swore to this in a deposition

given to her years later) was that it was an actual witnessing of the person

who signed the will.There is no mystery here. The mystery of it all was how

it was miraculously atop a pile of papers on Gerald Nicosia's kitchen table

and all of a sudden "looked strange" to Jan Kerouac. How,(and I posed this

question on the Beat-L before but was never answered) does an elderly woman

who has had a stroke leaving her partially paralyzed, not sign her signature

in her hand in a way that isn't strange? Though the sig doesn't look strange

in the least. Maybe a little shaky....what led Jan Kerouac to this

conclusion? In her deposition,

(a public document by the way)she concludes that her collection of legal

documents and such (from royalties and miscellanea)helped shape her conclusion.

Now, the strategically placed document atop a pile of other papers is the

defining factor of things to come...maybe Mr. Nicosia could inform us (if he

chooses) why the scenario was the way Jan Kerouac described in her

deposition....Love always, Paul....

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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I am trying to get a copy of "Allen Ginsberg and Friends," a video that

aired on WNET on 10/30/71.  Can anybody help?  I have videos to trade in

case you have it and are interested.

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Phil Chaput wrote:

 

> This is not a flame and I am not trying to insult anyone but

> Bentz I am curious, as a lawyer could you answer a few questions? Gerry

> posted this a while back. This is a direct quote.

 

Phil:

 

If a lawyer is going to give a legal opinion, he has to have the appropriate

documents and issues before him.  He also has to be familiar with the law of

the jurisdiction.  I have tried to avoid being a lawyer on this or any other

mail list.  I have heard some of Gerry's side of things.  I invite John Sampas

to the list to tell his side.  I have lay opinons, but not really on the issues

you have raised. My experience is that motivation is something that is internal

to the actor.  I have had cases where my client was in the wrong but had

nothing  but good intentions and motivations.  I have been in situations where,

in my opinion, my client had terrible motives to the point of disgusting me

personally, but was legally in the right.  Personally, I have found the fees to

be better with the latter and the ability to feel good about helping someone to

be better with the former.  So, how do you judge or give opinions on things

that spring forth internally.

 

With regard to Gerry/Jan's law suits, he may have the best possible motives,

but if the law and facts are against him, he will lose, etc.  It seems to me

that he ought to win in NM because an executor should not be allowed to

discharge a literary executor.  Their realms should be kept separate and

apart.  That is the reason for it all.  So, he should win.  The other suit

should depend on questions of handwriting analysis.  The experts can post all

sorts of opinions.

 

Judges are very human.  They are persuaded like anyone else.  Who knows where

that ends up.

 

And in the end, I am not going to go onto the list and open myself to being

asked to pass legally on situations involving list members' law suits.  When I

throw out my opinion, I want it to be my opinion, not a legal opinion.  So, I

am going to withold any opinion and also state, that right now, I have no

opinion on the Fla suit or the "truth" as I do not have the facts, documents,

etc before me.  And to be honest, I usually try my own client first more

severely than a judge or jury will to help me understand.

 

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Its over, "relax"....

Keith

:)

 

>OH JESUS!

>here we go again....personally i enjoy the poets on the list and for

the

>chance to post any of my poetry. simmer down, you all. Really.... this

list

>needs a mom, to control all the outbursts. relax people....let it

go.....

>

>~~Marlene

>

 

 

------------------------------------------------------------

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Subject:      Beat Generation/Moody Blues/Son.

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        My six year old son sits cross-legged, chants OM while staring at

Yantra from inside jacket of Moody Blues' "In Search of the Lost Chord"

playing on the stereo. Eight minutes, next to wood cookstove, somewhere

else. He comes back, I ask him what he saw, what he thought. "Just near the

end I saw a covered wagon going through the mountains." The journey,

traveling beyond barriers, crossing the wild frontier. Kerosene lamps

spread a soft glow on the interior of the mobile home, wood cookstove

spreads gentle warmth. I gaze into the dark window, see a dark indistinct

shape gazing back. Nearing fifty, I think back to the city, my younger

days, some far distant existence. No way could I ever have imagined then

where I am now. I think of Kerouac, Ginsberg, Snyder, Corso, Burroughs,

realize they are the same generation as my parents. I am not my parents'

child. There is another birth that occurred other than coming out from the

womb. Another segment of that generation that claimed me, years later, as

its progeny. My young son is now sleeping soundly in his room. The record

player sits silent. I wonder who my son will claim as his parents? The

single kerosene lamp behind me reflects as two lamps in the window. If I

turn just so, the two images meld into each other, become one.

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Subject:      outburst

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Thanks to Patricia, MC and Marlene for this frenzied outburst of

wonderful poetry to lead us to All Hallows Eve.  It is gratifying.

David R has posted a good new poem on the new beat site sponsered by

Keith.  Is it something in the air?  Rinaldo continues to post

interesting works by himself and others.  Sean Young has posted at least

two fine poems.  I hope we realize how we are blessed here.

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Subject:      begin gallery

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http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html

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P:

 

Thanks for the pictures.

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Subject:      Re: Kerouac Source Material

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At 08:11 AM 10/28/97 -0500, Mark Hemenway wrote:. Between

>Dharma beat and the Kerouac Quarterly, many of the Kerouac things in the

>NY Public Library and I think the infamous Lowell Collection have been

>have been listed.

>

>For those who are unfamiliar with the NY Public Library, the Berg

>Collection is a division of the library. It's not like the OTR scroll is

>sitting on a shelf in the stacks or in a filing cabinet on 42nd Street.

>The Berg is a major archival collection of original literary material.

 

Oct 30, 1997

 

Two corrections to M. Hemenway:

 

Mr. Hemenway's publication DHARMA BEAT never listed the existence of the

MEMORY BABE archive, which is right under his nose at U Mass, Lowell.  I

sent him a couple of letters complaining about his oversight, since he

listed every other major archive in the country.  There is more material on

Jack Kerouac in the MEMORY BABE archive at U MASS Lowell than in any other

archive in the world, and there is more actual writing BY Jack Kerouac than

you can find anywhere except the Berg Collection at the NY Public Library.

Mr. Hemenway ignored my letters pointing out his oversight.

 

Mr. HEMENWAY is wrong, the ON THE ROAD scroll is not owned by the New York

Public Library, nor is it available for study there.  It was briefly housed

in a glass showcase there, as a temporary exhibit, which saved Mr. Sampas

storage fees.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:08:30 -0800

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Mr. Maher's Accusations

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At 07:54 PM 10/30/97 -0500, Paul Maher wrote:.

>Now, the strategically placed document atop a pile of other papers is the

>defining factor of things to come...maybe Mr. Nicosia could inform us (if he

>chooses) why the scenario was the way Jan Kerouac described in her

>deposition....Love always, Paul....

                                                                Oct 30, 1997

        There was no "strategically placed document."  Rod Anstee had sent

me a copy of Gabrielle Kerouac's will a few weeks earlier.  He probably got

it from Mr. Sampas when they were having tea together.  Since Jan and lawyer

Tom Brill were meeting at my house, it was natural that they would want to

take a look at the will.

        My story was told in detail to Mr. Sampas's lawyer two and one half

years ago.  The deposition is in Mr. Sampas's house.  I'm surprised he

hasn't shown it to you.  Perhaps he doesn't trust you.

        LET ME SAY THIS--if I had conspired in any way to push Jan Kerouac,

trick, coerce or coax her to file a "bogus lawsuit" against the Sampases,

Mr. Sampas would have the evidence in his hand right now. And he'd have you

and Mr. Chaput waving it in everyone's faces.

        HOW SO?

        Because John Lash illegally locked up Jan Kerouac's entire apartment

full of papers and files after she died.  Those papers should have gone

directly to me as her literary executor.  Instead I had to battle in court

to get them.  Mr. Lash's lawyers finally sent them to me last June, after

being confronted with a court order compelling them to do so.

        So Mr. Lash's lawyers had a full year to pore over those papers,

Jan's correspondence, etc., which included nearly 100 letters from me,

Gerald Nicosia.  Mr. LASH'S LAWYERS WENT THRU THOSE PAPERS WITH MINUTE

SCRUTINY.  And since they are working closely with Mr. Sampas's lawyers, YOU

CAN BET IF THEY HAD FOUND SOMETHING INCRIMINATING, THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY

HAVE TURNED IT OVER TO MR. SAMPAS.

        You know what?  They couldn't find anything, even in my 100 letters

to Jan, or in her notes about our relationship, that indicated I had forced

or cajoled her to file a lawsuit.  Not one thing Mr. Sampas could use

against me.

        So where's the smoking gun, Paul?  I'm still waiting.

        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:21:26 -0800

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Jack Kerouac hated his sister???

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At 05:18 PM 10/27/97 -0500, Paul Maher wrote:

>Since this seems to be the one quote used incessantly, I quote from a

>notebook of Jack Kerouac's which, in my opinion, strikes me as being just as

>valid as anything mentioned from you in the same vein....

>

>  "may God make me a millionaire someday so I wont lend or leave anything to

>any Blakes."

                                Oct 30, 1997

Paul,

        I find this very difficult to accept.  Jack's sister was a

Blake--she died a Blake, since though her husband had left her, they were

never formally divorced.  She was Caroline Blake.  Her son Little Paul was

also a Blake: Paul Blake, Jr.  Jack and Memere loved Caroline dearly, and

both of them went into a severe depression when she died.  There are letters

that attest to this, including letters they both wrote to Stanley

Twardowicz.  Jack's love for Lil Paul is quite clear in THE DHARMA BUMS,

where he calls him Little Luke.  I cannot believe he would say such a

hateful thing about them.

        It's true Jack didn't like Nin's husband, Paul senior, because he

had borrowed five thousand dollars from Jack and never repaid it; then, too,

he cheated on Nin and left her.  But that would hardly make Jack and Memere

turn against Caroline and her son Little Paul.

        I question the accuracy of your quotation.  Where can we see a

facsimile of this passage in Jack's own handwriting?  Can you post it on

your website?  It would be especially important to have some of the context

around it.

        Respectfully, Gerald Nicosia

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:16:46 UT

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Speaking of Poets... (one more just for fun)

 

John - these Gilligan poems are FABULOUS!!!  both wonderful and hilarious.  do

write anything of a more "serious" nature?

 

ciao,  sherri

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:11:31 -0800

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: begin gallery

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Patrica,

 

The photos are wonderful.  The one of you, david and charles, and a few

others were not loading for me tonight--I'll try again.

 

James Stauffer

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:39:58 -0600

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From:         Cathy Wilkie <cawilkie@COMIC.NET>

Subject:      tim leary

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Has anybody yet read the latest timothy leary book, the one that deals

with his death???

 

i haven't got up the guts to get it yet.

 

cathy

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:05:23 -0500

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      from galler visitor

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Thanks very much Patricia. Do you know or remember what it is at the extreme

left on top of William's bookcase? Is it a CD jewelcase...?   ...or a

collage of some kind?

 

                Antoine

 

>http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html

>

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:09:38 -0500

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      ...and further comments

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Excellent final picture of William and the picture of  Charlie also...would

be great to see the ones of he and Billy together ...seems to be strong

family resemblance. And no better picture of the beautiful Lena and P?  Thes

will be sure to make us all regret not being there and never visiting!

 

        It looks like the naming of the files is what's causing the load

problem.

 

        Antoine

 

 

 

>http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html

>

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:40:12 -0600

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: from galler visitor

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Antoine Maloney wrote:

>

> Thanks very much Patricia. Do you know or remember what it is at the extreme

> left on top of William's bookcase? Is it a CD jewelcase...?   ...or a

> collage of some kind?

>

>                 Antoine

>

> >http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html

> >

>  Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>     "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

> cease to be amused."

I believe it is a collage, but i will try to check it out, i am sure

that james is leaving everything, such as that, as it was.

. you are correct about how i misnamed the files, i need to rename

them.. my good puter wizard took a large bunch of pictures and in a week

or so i will be able to add them.  He is out of town for 4 to 5 days at

a time.  I am very poor at this stuff.

 

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:45:30 -0600

Reply-To:     "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      petite beat, lena,

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Viper

Comments: cc: rico <UNIR1@classic.msn.com>, Doug Penn <dkpenn@oees.com>,

          CVEditions@aol.com, beach@qconline.com

 

The Viper

 

Insidious -

so deceptive -

smoothe, beautiful

in its sensuous grace

 

Which hides its

malevolent intent,

the snake glides

caressingly along

its unwitting prey.

 

The weak and the

innocent

(and the fools)

are lulled by

the viper's flitting,

forked tongue.

 

Beware sweet

innocents -

lest, in your

naivete,

the viper surround you -

crushing -

only to swallow you whole...

 

Angel, I will

be vigilant

at your side

should danger approach

I will be there-

never resting -

watching without ceasing

 

Little love -

I shall never let

my eyes be deluded

by the treacherous snake.

 

You will be safe

so long as I have breath -

and my love

will transcend

all time, space,

dimension.

                                                ~sls   10/20/95

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:34:11 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: petite beat, lena,

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beautiful petite individualist! mc

 

Patricia Elliott wrote:

 

>  [Image]

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:00:40 -0800

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Lew Welch/Genesis Angels

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James Stauffer wrote:

>

> Donald,

>

> I'd agree.  Not a bad book.

 

Read it yesterday at the terminal and will probably read it at filling

station on Sunday again.  I enjoyed the amount of information about

Welch's methods which made it into the work.  I was a bit taken by the

actuality (not the potentiality - it is always there) of the ending.  It

will help in re-reading to know where it ends.

 

 Certainly not the sort of things that have

> been done on JK.  I like the book, although I feel it is really limited

> by not citing source material.  From any sort of selfish scholarly point

> of view that is frustrating.

 

For me, especially the source material would be interesting as

possibilities for further examination.  There were places where I was

saying to myself YES YES YES ... and would have loved to see someplace

else to connect these notions with.

 

Good book as an "appreciation" or whatever

> of Lew.

 

made for a very fast first read.  second read will take a little longer

and may end in a post.

 

A real literary biography has yet to be done.

 

perhaps someone here can do this.  just a thought.

>

> J. Stauffer

>

> Donald G. Jr. Lee wrote:

> >

> > Just casting my vote for GENESIS ANGELS.  Great book, interior/subjective

> > look at that great poet; I have a postcard somewhere from Saroyan saying

> > he tried it straight, writing it as a "regular" biography, and that it

> > just didn't work, so he wrote it again "Beat" style (my adjective).

> > Though literally a small book, it's pretty terrific.

 

would love to get hands on the original version too!!!!  It might be a

slower read, less fluid, but the contrast might be illuminating.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:04:31 -0800

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Inspiration

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James Stauffer wrote:

>

> David,

>

> To get the image to work, just envision the brightness of the campfire,

> which makes the surrounding darkness deeper and even more unknown.

> Sounds out there.  Animals moving around. The Other.

>

> J. Stauffer

>

> RACE --- wrote:

> >

> > How Poetry Comes to Me

> >

> > It comes blundering over the

> > Boulders at night, it stays

> > Frightened outside the

> > Range of my campfire

> > I go to meet it at the

> > Edge of the light.

> >

> >         -- Gary Snyder

> >         from No Nature

> >

> > I'll need help with this one.  Not being exactly an "outdoorsman", i can

> > only try to comprehend GS here by analogy.  The best I get is some local

> > parks for a literal understanding of what he's saying.

> >

> > david rhaesa

> > salina, Kansas

 

thanks to all participating in the Snyder and Welch conversations.  I am

personally learning so much.  The 10 post limit and another thread going

keeps me from always taking everything in terms of response -- but i am

reading all and taking to heart.  The notions of Snyder on the two As

for Poets were very powerful for me -- hence the postings.  My next

phase in addition to re-reading Genesis Angels will be trying to snip

out notions of Lew Welch's method from that book.  Thanks so much for

all of your insights here.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:05:33 -0500

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From:         MATT HANNAN <MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Gary Snyder vs JK's spin on GS

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     There is a portion of a film interview of GS on The Kerouac ROMnibus;

     it has Snyder stating that, while Jack got the general gist of the

     "adventure" correct, that Snyder didn't recognize all of the

     attributes of Japhy as himself.  I don't remember much of the

     specifics of the interview (have to watch it again tonight).  The

     funny comment Snyder makes (and he was a master of the soundbite long

     before they ever existed) is that he wished Jack had told his audience

     to wrap their sleeping bags tighter since Snyder was tired of seeing

     on the hitchhikers on the road with their unrolling bags dragging

     behind them.

 

     just my tuppence.

 

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt h.

 

 

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Subject: Re: Gary Snyder vs JK's spin on GS

Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    10/30/97 12:48 PM

 

 

I seem to remember that Gary pronounced Kerouac's portrayal of him in

Dharma Bums as pretty accurate and was agreeable about the whole thing.

 

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Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:15:16 -0500

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From:         Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Re: WSB cameo in Harper's magazine

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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Jym Mooney wrote:

 

> I received the following message this week from Stephen Ronan of Beat

> Books:

>

> "For an interesting read with an unexpected WSB appearance, check out the

> current (OCT) issue of Harper's---the main feature about driving Einstein's

> brain cross country."

>

> Has anyone seen this piece?

 

No, but I heard about it as well. Apparently WSB has a great line about

growing old/getting evil. I'm certainly going to check it out. I never go

around to getting a copy of the New Yorker when it had his last written

words, and I've been kicking myself ever since.

 

Neil

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:56:00 -0500

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From:         Arthur Nusbaum <SSASN@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Goodbye for now

 

Dear Friends:

 

At this time, I am unable to keep with, let alone respond or contribute much

to, the volume of mail on this List.  I am temporarily signing off today, but

I SHALL RETURN.  Happy Halloween, and keep the Beat!

 

Regards,

 

Arthur S. Nusbaum

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bentz and fellow listees,

first thank you bentz, i appreciate you throwing my name in there along with

marie's and patricia's whose poetry i hold in high regard. secondly, if any

one has any feedback on my poem, please let me know. mucho thanks on a grey

day in florida,

~~marlene

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:08:43 EST

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marie,

i've seen a couple of posts discussing tapes of your pieces, are you selling

them? i'd really love a copy. e-mail me privately and i'll give you my

address. thank you for the visions....

~~marlene

M84M79@aol.com

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:26:17 -0500

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From:         "PoOka(the friendly ghost)" <jdematte@TURBO.KEAN.EDU>

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has anyone attempted to send original works of poetry to city lights

publishers? They are listed in the poetry market book (1998) so maybe we

can gather a few poems for publication. If anyone can spare some advice

on how to go about this please let me know.

                                                thanks,

                                                        jason

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i'd also like some more info on this. thanks :-)

~~marlene

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: lately i just marlene

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no marlene i'm not selling tapes, ye gods and little fishes! i'm an apprentice

i do have a new tape out of the amnesia quartet. if you send me yr address plus

5 bucks to cover tape and posting, i'll be happy to oblige.

(i hate that old tape burn burn burn)

have a great one.

mc

 

M84M79 wrote:

 

> marie,

> i've seen a couple of posts discussing tapes of your pieces, are you selling

> them? i'd really love a copy. e-mail me privately and i'll give you my

> address. thank you for the visions....

> ~~marlene

> M84M79@aol.com

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:49:32 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      tapes

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adeal that can't be beat.

i have been awahash with aghashast when i started reading messages about

people still listening to that old tape i made.

please all in posession:

in return for it's return i will tape for you autumn insomnia quartet.

whidh i am at least proud of.

a reading i can at least not want to hide behind the tape box in.

mc

btw:

this already includes marlene, dbof ohio radio$ibrary fame/ derek

antoine, dave my pal of the night, rheasa, and i dont' know the who else

my memory is gone i can't sleep!

anyway return of tape or $5 tape ship handling lil'm broke is the deal.

swap is yr best deal, heh heh

mc

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marie,

here's my address:

 

Marlene Giraud

935 Lemongrass Lane

Wellington, Fla. 33414

 

where do i send five bucks? ooh i can't wait to haer them...geez, i sound like

a five year old...thanks again....

 

~~marlene

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:23:35 -0500

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From:         Tyson Ouellette <Tyson_Ouellette@UMIT.MAINE.EDU>

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>        I find this very difficult to accept.  Jack's sister was a

>Blake--she died a Blake, since though her husband had left her, they

>were

>never formally divorced.  She was Caroline Blake.  Her son Little Paul

>was

 

     True, Gerry, but I'm sure that in Jack's mind Nin was always a

Kerouac before she was a Blake.  A man with Jack's Franco-American

sense of family would never wish ill on his immediate family.  On his

brother-in-law sure, but not on Nin.  Of course, i have to wonder if he

really considered Little Paul a Blake, considering his affection for

him... maybe he considered him a Kerouac purely because he had Kerouac

blood in him coupled with the fact that he and Little Paul were so

close..

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Happy Halloween

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This past August the idea had come to me for a WSB tribute of sorts that I

wanted to make for myself. I finally finished it today and thought I'd share

it with the list. It's nothing really, just an image, but it's constructed

soley in HTML tags -- no graphics images at all. You'll need a Web browser

that can view tables and color (most do). It's at

<http://dsl.org/m/doc/lit/beat/wsb.html>. Maybe someone can use it for

something.

 

m

 

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:49:55 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: city lights submissions

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I would love to submit to City Lights! Does anyone know the address? I

can't afford the Poetry Market book...:(

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:23:46 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Apocalyptic Beat / Lamb, No Lion.

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Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET> mentions:

Lamb, No Lion, 1958 (written by Jack Kerouac)

"...Beat doesn't mean tired, or bushed, so much as it means 'beato,' the

Italian for beatific: to be in a state of beatitude, like St. Francis,

trying to to love all life, trying to be utterly sincere with everyone,

practicing endurance, kindness, cultivating joy of heart."

 

The laste book of Bible is The Apocalypse written by Ioannes (69 a.d.)

and begin with the exhortative words "BEATUS, QUI LEGIT" meaning

"be blessed who has a vision while he is reading".

The Bible is differenced from the Veda or Upanishad (or from the

ancient greek poems) because it sides with the suffering being.

The Apocalypse (Revelation) supports the victims, and it's the book

of loneliness.

 

cari saluti da

Rinaldo.

* PD. hola, Daniel un saludo... muchas gracias. *

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:16:17 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      LAST draft

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  Autumn insominiac Quartet

 

DAY FOUR

    IN SOMNIA

 

       for the fourth day

       in the fourth year

       up here in north country

    each autumn

       i dwell in the land of

       in Somnia.

 

       in Somnia,

       the rules change:

       clocks run backwards

       as

       fast as ahead

       and collide,

       like two perfectly balanced arrows

       two exquistely aimed arrorws

       meeting in mid flight -

 

    time

       collapses.

 

       i=92ve tried

       doctors

       pills!

      special pillows

      herbal remedies

       warm milk!

       relaxation, meditation

       chants!

       (and furtive readings from the =91self help=92

       corner of local bookstore )

 

       hell,

       i=92ve even taken to ale again

       as my corner store is a

       redemption center!

       redemption through ales!

       they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,

       and my pockets of change for replacements

       (hell,

       i think  when abstinent,

       they preyed for my redemption!)

 

       but,

       nothing changes.

       Until, 72 hours into

       black night slowly

       inching its way to dawn,

       i look out my window

       and

       see the first snow fall

       of autumn.

       i take this as an omen

       i take this as a vision

       i take this as a balm,

       and i thank the winds of change :

 

   with same disease as allen

       cooking in my body

       at times quiescent,

       other times raging,

        a life line without guarrentee

       a reminder of mortality,

 

       i

       suspect the gods are smiling on me

       giving me more time

       to store up against an early death

       so charged,

       writing always becomes electric,

       a force of its own :

       vowels

       consonants

       metaphors

       voices

    ring in my head,

 

       so i spend time with poets

       who would rather

       stay dead:

 

       Woolfe, Sexton, Plath

       (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow your path),

 

      or that of ti Jean,

       Kerouac :

       it=92s a critical mass:

       one can drown in water, or in wine,

       nothing sublime about that.

 

       is it an affliction,

       these extra hours,

       dark, quiet, soft snow falling

 

       or gift?

       (these extra hours

       dark, quiet, soft snow falling)

 

       i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling

       hours as the horizon point is touched by flame

 

       i=92m still awake

       when daybreak changes snow to rain

       snow washed away

       in to the rain

 

       i=92m still awake

 

       i=92m still awake

 

       i=92m still awake

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

1993

      lately i just keep waking

 

       lately i just keep waking alone

       in the black of night

       i breathe shallow i wear earphones

       not to wake you

 

not to wake you

       i breathe shallowly

       3 am 4 am

       mind wanders and stumbles

        stuck in the valley of consciousness

       black timelessness,

        i don=92t

       think of tomorrow, rather

       merge with the blackness

       listen to the burning

       fire

       in my ears,  break free      --the passions bursts! in my ears,

       and turning,

       turn up the volume on the

       sobbing stereo wailing

       i make my choice

       light the candle

       shed my

       clothes

       twirl on the balls of my

       feet and let

       my hips find their own rhythm

       scarf in hand,

      flung swirls, settles

       the lamp shadows cast,

       i dance to my anima,

       shadow cast

        i ride the fiddles

       in the midst of hurricane

       a halcyon dance.

 

       go away if it bothers you, in fact

       please go away.

       its the blackness you see

       the blackness and me

      everybody nobody knows about me

       nobody everybody

       nobody knows about me

       the song

       the vigil

blackness

      energy

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

III

DAVE FIVE

 

dance

 

    in camplight

    all others ringed round the fire asleep

    ceiling of stars sleepless

 

    blanket round shoulders

    i sit and bend towards fire

   sweat raises on shoulders

   firelight warmth

    sudden gust of cold, then icy fire:

    he appears

    my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion

    if you will, my metaphor

 

    and the firelight

    turns to music

    sweat raises to shoulders

    and muscles obey

 

    running electric alive currents

    to all casual eyes

    i dance alone in the desert

 

    oh please,

    oh please,

   - hear me hear out my story-

    because you were in it

    alive

you

 alive

     you

alive

    who are you

    who are you

    my

    angst

    my

    well chosen adversary

    my brother

   my killer

    life giver

    who?

 

    and with all these uquestions burning in my brain

you can see why i then crave i sleep

 this question

    so easily cicles

    chasing me all around leading me all around in circles

    to dream on

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

NIGHT SEVEN

    in dreamless nights

 

    in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

   -the freedom

    -the altitiude

    -my shadow cast on the hillscapes-

feathers delineated in shadow shapes

     windspread wide and proud.

 

    i no longer dream of flying,

    i no longer dream at all.

 

    (I hail from the country of In Somnia

    I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:

    bane of darkness

    wort of light

    bones of a robin)

 

    [the condescending smile of an eye

     as i beg for help,

    condescending incomprehending eye]

 

    so rejected,

    i choose to stop such public presentations

    i choose to live here in my palace,

   peopled by imagination.

    who is to say which is which?

 corporeal or ethereal?

 

    i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days

    stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience

    (audience needed to make alive the writer here self

   immolated on bed of insomnia)

    dream weavers, you would no longer

    be the hackneyed american paen to colonizing blood guilt,

 

   dream weavers you would have to be here :

    to weave my passage through my own strands of guilt :

an impossiblity through the eye of a camel..

and yet

and yet,

    i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

    by desperations,

    i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

    feel me,

    i=92m in your pocket

    i=92m here;

    you awaken....

 

  oct. 24-30, 1997

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:14:48 EST

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Reminder

 

People are continuing to send a lot of private messages to the list.  If

you want specific information from someone on the list or want to ask a

question that applies only to him or her, please backchannel.  This will

make the number of list postings much more manageable for all of us.

Happy Holoween, everyone.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:28:01 -0500

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From:         "PoOka(the friendly ghost)" <jdematte@TURBO.KEAN.EDU>

Subject:      wsb and stephen king?

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hey folks,

        let me say that i have never read any of the Dark Tower books by

Stephen King but its very strange to see a similarity between the

gunslinger in King's book and Burrough's Kim Carson in the Western

Lands/Place of Dead Roads/Cities of the Red Night series. Any thoughts on

this or am i just overdosing on M@Ms?

                                                jason

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:34:42 -0500

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From:         Colin Galinski <7cpg@QLINK.QUEENSU.CA>

Subject:      must take a leave

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I have to take leave for a term, and would appreciate it if some kind

soul forwarded me the info on how to unsubscribe to the list.

    Thanks,

Colin

 

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~Colin P. Galinski

~Faculty of Arts & Science

~Queen's University

~7cpg@qlink.queensu.ca

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:01:10 -0500

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From:         "L.W. Deal" <RoadSide6@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: city lights submissions

 

Fellow Beat-Listers:

 

Best I could do was pull out my '96 POET'S MARKET (times've been tough these

past two years <wink wink>) Here's their listing there, hope it's relatively

current:

 

CITY LIGHT BOOKS 261 Columbus Ave., San Francisco, CA  94133, phone (415)

362-1901, founded 1955, edited by Lawrence Ferlinghetti and Nancy J. Peters,

is a paperback house that achieved prominence with the publication of Allen

Ginsberg's HOWL and other poetry of the "Beat" school. They publish "poetry,

fiction, philosophy, political and social history." Simultaneous submissions

OK. "All submissions must include SASE." Reports in 6-8 weeks. Payment

varies.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Kisses & Starfishes from Seattle,

LD

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:16:58 -0500

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From:         "L.W. Deal" <RoadSide6@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Lately I just...get transfixed

 

Marie et al:

 

Can I just say how won'drous it be's to sign on and find such mesmerizing,

intoxicating, almost suffocating poetic images filling up my mailbox in place

of ugly name-slanders and boring legal monologues!  Just when I was about to

check out at the front desk, I noticed how beautiful the wallpaper is in this

place! Now, I'm transfixed! Keep it comin', my friends...

 

Starfishes & Kisses,

 

LD

 

"U-Turns are sad reminders of how flat this world has become."

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:21:28 -0500

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From:         "L.W. Deal" <RoadSide6@AOL.COM>

Subject:      An acquired taste

 

Now Now Now Be not discouraged, for this life is much like jazz --- an

acquired taste. At first, just white noise in an elevator or

halfempty/halfcrowded cafeteria --- then, all at once, explodes into passion

poppy confetti, only to be swept up in an early hour by some wise-silent

janitorial-type.

 

Oct '97

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:14:58 -0600

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      gallery pics version 2

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my gosh, my wizard reached into my computer from his place and fixed my

pictures. he has real pity in his voice for my skill, he speaks slowly

and says comforting things. like he will come a give me a couple of free

lessons,  ( notice he said couple)

 

http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:47:43 -0500

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From:         Bruce Hartman <bwhartmanjr@INAME.COM>

Subject:      Re: city lights submissions

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Nancy,

 

    Generally you can check out the Poet's Market from your local library...

 

Bruce

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: city lights submissions

 

 

>I would love to submit to City Lights! Does anyone know the address? I

>can't afford the Poetry Market book...:(

>

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:20:13 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      exchanging pic of mine

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hello friends,

letme know if i'm wrong but alot of friends exchanges

each other the photos, so i do it, sending to you this little

italian quadretto: myself (r, rinaldo) & (l, my litle niece silvia),

cari saluti a tutti saluti da

rinaldo.

 

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: wsb and stephen king?

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At 14.28 31/10/97 -0500, "PoOka(the friendly ghost)"

<jdematte@TURBO.KEAN.EDU> wrote:

>hey folks,

>        let me say that i have never read any of the Dark Tower books by

>Stephen King but its very strange to see a similarity between the

>gunslinger in King's book and Burrough's Kim Carson in the Western

>Lands/Place of Dead Roads/Cities of the Red Night series. Any thoughts on

>this or am i just overdosing on M@Ms?

>                                                jason

>

>

                'Damn!' it made the trip seem sinister and doomed.

                We drove on. Stan's arm got worse. We'd stop at the

                first hospital and have him get a shot of pencillin.

                We passed Castle Rock, came to Colorado Springs at

                dark. The great shadows of Pike's Peak loomed our

                right -- jack kerouac On the Road, part four,4,pg.253

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:56:40 -0500

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject:      Rabbits (for Charles Plymell)

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                             Rabbits

                      (For Charles Plymell)

 

Charles, did you know that some rabbits live charmed lifes?

Better than nine?

The other night, I came around a curb by a small pond.

It was dusk, twilight, or close thereto.

I was watching some ducks paddle home, when

I saw something out of the corner of my eye.

It was a rabbit and it was running for the road.

It ran right up under my wheel.

I was on the car phone and said,

"Damn, I think that rabbit just ran through my tires."

A few minutes later, taking my son to soccer,

I confessed nothing to him about the possible rabbitcide.

A squashing of an undetermined view.

But there was nothing, no blood, no guts, no nothing.

The damn thing had done it, run between the tires.

I figure it was because it was on a turn.

And that it was perfect timing,

And that it lead a charmed life with a determined point of view.

 

Has this ever happened to you?

 

Bentz Kirby 10/31/97 at 5:54

First draft

 

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Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:52:03 -0500

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From:         George Russell <CodyPomera@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: WSB cameo in Harper's magazine

 

Yeah, I read that.  Didn't realize WSB had a connection with Einstein, but it

is rather appropriate, don't ya' think?

 

-George

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:56:26 -0500

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject:      Samuel Fuller dead

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          "jjw-l@io.com" <jjw-l@io.com>

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The Director Samuel Fuller died today.  Right away, the name may

not ring a bell, but if you enjoy westerns, you will know his

first movie, "I Shot Jesse James."  He also filmed "The Steel

Helment", "Fixed Bayonets", "The Big Red One (with Lee Marvin)

and Shock Corridors.  Shock Corridors was about an undercover

reporter in a mental hospital.  He was a director that took on

social issues and he also acted in several movies.

 

I was not really aware of his history until I read his obit at

CNN and realized how many of his movies I was familiar with.  I

saw Shock Corridors as a child and its haunting echos still

reverberate and ring true.  But, to me, "I Shot Jesse James"

rules.  If you want to know more, the url is:

 

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9710/31/obit.fuller.ap/index.html

 

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Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:59:40 -0500

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From:         Glenn Cooper <coopergw@MPX.COM.AU>

Subject:      Humble Introduction

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Hello all,

 

Not sure if this is the kind of list where introductions are necessary, but

I thought I'd make myself known, all the same.

 

I just joined this list today. Didn't know it existed until now (thanks

Bentz).

 

I got into the Beats primarily through listening to and reading about Bob

Dylan. The biographies on Dylan always talked about Ginsberg and Kerouac

and to a lesser extent Burroughs, so I thought I'd check them out. What a

fabulous world opened up before me! This was about nine years ago, when I

was twenty.

 

Burroughs is my favourite. Gradually, I got all his books, and to this day

I'm missing only "The Third Mind" and "Seven Deadly Sins". I've learnt more

from Burroughs than anyone else. Dylan once said that hearing good music

for the first time "set him free and taught him how to live forever".

Burroughs' prose had the same affect on me. I was dazzled. I was bewitched.

I was in awe of a man who could be so far away from the human race, yet

still so close. I related to his isolation, his alienation, more than

anything. And funny! My God, there were times when I didn't think it

possible that one man could write such funny stuff. The "Yage Letters"

crack me up to this day. The droll, deadpan descriptions of South America

and its people still puts me on the floor. When Bill died recently I felt

like I'd lost the one person in the world I could really relate to. To me,

he's up there with Rimbaud. No praise is high enough.

 

My other favourite's are Knut Hamsun (a Beat 50 years ahead of his time),

Bukowski, Fante, Raymond Carver, Hubert Selby, a little of Ginsberg (I

enjoy his notebooks more than his poetry (Howl excluded)), and my all-time

favourite novel ... Camus' "The Stranger". So as you can see, my tastes lie

with the "realist" genre.

 

Anyway, hope y'all found this innaresting. I look forward to the

conversations on the Beat list ...

 

Glenn Cooper.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:11:49 -0500

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Humble Introduction

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Glenn Cooper wrote:

 

> Hello all,

>

> Not sure if this is the kind of list where introductions are necessary, but

> I thought I'd make myself known, all the same.

>

> I just joined this list today. Didn't know it existed until now (thanks

> Bentz).

>

> <snip>

> Anyway, hope y'all found this innaresting. I look forward to the

> conversations on the Beat list ...

>

> Glenn Cooper.

 

 Glenn:

 

Welcome aboard.  I think your post on Burroughs will be well received here.  I

knew from your posts on rmd that you would like this list, just didn't know how

deep it ran.  I also got to Kerouac and the Beats through Dylan.  But Jack is

my man.  But after your post, I think I will pull Yage Letters off the shelf

and read it again.  Never too old to learn I hope.  I have seen posts from our

Italian poet, Rinaldo, on rmd.  So, you may recognize him from rmd too.  Well,

I am listening to TOOM now, Trying to get to Heaven Before They Close the Door.

 

TOOM has gotten good reviews here.  It is a great work, and thought I don't

have the money, I am weighing springing for $25 to go see Bob Sunday.  It is

funny how three children can change your priorities.  Many times I've been to

concerts when I had less than now.  But, those jeans, soccer fees, college

tuition worries and all that adds up big time in a hurry.  Boy, I am glad that

oldest one is gone.   I can't believe I used to have four!

 

Welcome to Glenn from RMD.  May you enjoy the poets, critics and the rest on

the beat list.  Someone on here can tell you how to access the archives.

 

Later,

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:38:09 -0500

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From:         "Dawn B. Sova" <DawnDR@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Humble Introduction

 

My welcome to Glenn, also.

 

Now --- what is RMD?  Please?

 

Dawn

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:47:47 -0500

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Dawn:

 

RMD is the newsgroup rec.music.dylan  There is a mail list that

picks up the newsgroup postings, but it will fill up your mail

box in a hurry.  I prefer the news group for Dylan.  I would have

sent this back channel, but it occurred to me that others might

have the same question.

 

Take care,

 

Dawn B. Sova wrote:

 

> My welcome to Glenn, also.

>

> Now --- what is RMD?  Please?

>

> Dawn

 

 

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:51:33 -0500

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From:         Jonathan Pickle <jrpick@MAILA.WM.EDU>

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Soon I will be signing off the Beat List.  I would welcome anyone who would

like to talk about the Beats with me to email me at

 

jrpick@maila.wm.edu

 

I will likely be back in a while, but until then:

 

". . . how do you know what you're going to do till you do it?  The answer

is, you don't."

                                                                - Salinger

 

"None of us knew what was going on, or what the Good Lord appointed."

                                                                - Jack Kerouac

 

"'You boys going to get somewhere, or just going?'  We didn't understand

his question, and it was a damned good question."

                                                                - Jack Kerouac

 

Jon

 

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:02:56 -0500

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From:         George Spanos <gspanos@EROLS.COM>

Subject:      RMD

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RMD=Recorded Music Dylan

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:07:23 -0800

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Beat Women--Santa Cruz./ San Jose

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Leon was kind enough to post the details for Carolyn Cassidy's

appearance at UC Santa Cruz.  This talk is part of a larger series of

things on Women Beat Writers.  The schedule as I have it (and it

certainly doesn't give one much time to plan

 

Nov 6

 

"Wild Women" a panel featuring Carolyn Cassidy, Anne Waldman and Jeanine

Pommy Vega, UC Santa Cruz,  Kresge Town Hall, 4:30-6pm

 

An evening of p[oetry with Joan Kyger and Anne Waldman.  San Jose State

University, Music Concert Hall, 7:30 pm

 

Nov. 7

 

Coffee hour, mixer. Costanoan Room/ Student Union/ SJSU  9:30-10:30.

 

"Tracking the Serpent", a panel with Janine-Pommy Vega, Anne Waldman and

Joanne Kyger. Coastanoan Room, Student Union, SJSU, 10:30-noon.

 

Carolyn Cassidy Homecoming Luncheon.  Guadalupe Room/ Student Union,

SJSU, 2-3:30  ($30 per person).

 

The Other Writer in the FAmily, a panel with C. Cassady, Boobie Louise

Hawkins and Joanne McClure.  Guadalupe Room, SJSU 2-3:30 pm

(this looks like a conflict with Carolyns lunch.  I'd call 408-924-1378

to get it straight)

 

An evening of readings by Carolyn Cassady, Bobby Louise Hawkins, Joanne

McClure and Janine Pommy Vega, Engineering Bldg. Auditorium.  SJSU, 8:30

pm.

 

J. Stauffer  (schedule from the San Jose Metro)

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:14:09 -0800

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

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Bill,

 

At the risk of being repetive, what better argument for returning to the

alternative posting format.  That way the hurried, lazy or chemically

impaired (speaking only for myself) will automatically backchannel and

posts to the list will require a concious effort. Sounds like a more

perfect world to me.

 

J. Stauffer

 

Bill Gargan wrote:

>

> People are continuing to send a lot of private messages to the list.  If

> you want specific information from someone on the list or want to ask a

> question that applies only to him or her, please backchannel.  This will

> make the number of list postings much more manageable for all of us.

> Happy Holoween, everyone.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:16:24 -0800

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Heebie Jeebies Chucks Sugar Skulls

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You I got the heebyjeebys it's Halloween.

 

Makes me think of Burroughs writing about getting the chucks and sucking

down little Billy's sugar skull.  Course day o the dead is ma=96ana so th=

e

sugar skulls are in abundence.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:48:04 -0800

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> James Stauffer wrote:

>

> Bill,

>

> At the risk of being repetive, what better argument for returning to

> the

> alternative posting format.  That way the hurried, lazy or chemically

> impaired (speaking only for myself) will automatically backchannel and

> posts to the list will require a concious effort. Sounds like a more

> perfect world to me.

>

> J. Stauffer

 

I disagree James, it's a more perfect world the way it is now.

DC

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:46:43 -0800

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Women--Santa Cruz./ San Jose

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>Leon was kind enough to post the details for Carolyn Cassidy's

>appearance at UC Santa Cruz.

 

Cool bro James.  You got the name right. Leon said University of Sanat

Cruz.  Of course we knew what he meant but me being an alumnus, it stuck

out at me.  And by perchance I was a Kresge student.

 

Now that I've bored youall with this

 

trick or treat

 

 

++++++++++++++++++++++

 

And, James, you've got your reply-to set to reply to you.  So if I get a

post from you and simply hit reply it goes to you, not the list, even if it

came from the list.

 

Those who like that list set p can do it themselves in their mail programs

settings by making the reply-to field their e-mail address.

 

 

>This talk is part of a larger series of

>things on Women Beat Writers.  The schedule as I have it (and it

>certainly doesn't give one much time to plan

>

>Nov 6

>

>"Wild Women" a panel featuring Carolyn Cassidy, Anne Waldman and Jeanine

>Pommy Vega, UC Santa Cruz,  Kresge Town Hall, 4:30-6pm

>

>An evening of p[oetry with Joan Kyger and Anne Waldman.  San Jose State

>University, Music Concert Hall, 7:30 pm

>

>Nov. 7

>

>Coffee hour, mixer. Costanoan Room/ Student Union/ SJSU  9:30-10:30.

>

>"Tracking the Serpent", a panel with Janine-Pommy Vega, Anne Waldman and

>Joanne Kyger. Coastanoan Room, Student Union, SJSU, 10:30-noon.

>

>Carolyn Cassidy Homecoming Luncheon.  Guadalupe Room/ Student Union,

>SJSU, 2-3:30  ($30 per person).

>

>The Other Writer in the FAmily, a panel with C. Cassady, Boobie Louise

>Hawkins and Joanne McClure.  Guadalupe Room, SJSU 2-3:30 pm

>(this looks like a conflict with Carolyns lunch.  I'd call 408-924-1378

>to get it straight)

>

>An evening of readings by Carolyn Cassady, Bobby Louise Hawkins, Joanne

>McClure and Janine Pommy Vega, Engineering Bldg. Auditorium.  SJSU, 8:30

>pm.

>

>J. Stauffer  (schedule from the San Jose Metro)

 



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