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Oct 29, 1997
Back from Los Angeles. The PEN dinner was splendid, some really
deserving
people got awards. John Rechy got the
lifetime achievement award.
He is
one great writer and also a super kind and giving human being (beloved
by
generations of students at USC). If you
don't know his work, check out
CITY OF
NIGHT, which is the gay ON THE ROAD.
But Rechy's prose is even more
poetic
than Kerouac's. Yet he was always
marginalized as "just a gay writer."
Bill Vollmann got the award in fiction
for THE ATLAS. He's 38 years
old and
has published 10 books, some of them beyond amazing. BUTTERFLY
STORIES,
WHORES FOR GLORIA, 13 STORIES, these are works at the cutting edge
of
fiction today, dealing with skinheads, AIDS, street prostitutes, whoring
his way
across Asia, stuff you wouldn't believe.
SOme people are calling
him the
next Kerouac. His style is much
different than jack's, more
cerebral,
but this "kid" has got one hell of a punch and maybe is the best
contender
now alive to fill Jack's shoes (which may never be filled, any
more
than anybody is ever going to box better than Muhammed Ali, or play
basketball
better than Michael Jordan).
There
probably is no "next Kerouac," but give Vollmann a look anyway, if
you
love
fiction that hits hard and isn't afraid of life's "dirty side."
I dedicated the award for Cranial
Guitar to Jan Kerouac. I told the
audience
that if Bob Kaufman were alive today, he'd sure be fighting to save
Jack
Kerouac's archive and make it available to all. The day I met BOb,
more
than 20 years ago, he rushed to his hotel room to bring me a poem Jack
Kerouac
had written to him. And he didn't
charge me $10,000 for it.
So I come home to find in my email
that the letters stolen from my
archive
never even existed ("you don't even exist!" someone wrote to Jack
Kerouac
in 1967, which he recounts in VANITY OF DULUOZ), Attila Gyenis gets
his
mail out of a mailbox 3000 miles away, and we should all consider Paul
Maher,
a convicted book thief, as a more credible witness than Bentz Kirby,
a member
of the South Carolina bar.
Someone ought to enroll Mr. Sampas and
his followers in Franklin
Rosemont's
surrealist society. They have a native
gift for the surreal that
surpasses
even DuChamps and Breton.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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>
>
How Poetry Comes to Me
>
> It
comes blundering over the
>
Boulders at night, it stays
> Frightened
outside the
>
Range of my campfire
> I
go to meet it at the
>
Edge of the light.
>
> -- Gary Snyder
> from No Nature
>
>
I'll need help with this one. Not being
exactly an "outdoorsman", i can
>
only try to comprehend GS here by analogy.
The best I get is some local
>
parks for a literal understanding of what he's saying.
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
How
poetry came to me:
wandering
around red rocks
i went
off a little to the left
thinking
about life
the
meaning
my
position in it
and i'm
walking along
taking
pictures of the skyline
and
suddenly i look
and see
right in front of me
nothing
but a coyote.
'go
away,' i hear a voice say.
'you
don't belong here.'
i'm
stunned.
frozen.
suddenly
i turn and run.
See,
nature only comes at you
when
you're least expecting it
when
you're the least prepared for it.
So
might as well meet the Mother at the edge of the campfire.
cw
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Phil is
kind enough to ask:
>
What else you got? Phil
Well,
OK. I did post a piece about Burroughs
quite a while back; but as
long as
we're now in the silliness vein, I'll offer this one, which I hope
will
make at least a few of you smile and recall your youthful fantasies.
It's my
small attempt to answer the lasting metaphysical question...
Ginger or Mary Anne
Just
sit right back and you'll hear a tale
the tale of a fateful trip.
Ginger
Red
hair stiff as the points at the tips of her perfect breasts.
And
your lips move down those shoulders of pure white
(alabaster
that never tanned despite years of exposure to the tropical sun)
the feel of silver lam=E9 crinkling in
your hands
down an impossible angle to the
smallest circle of a waist.
She
slides out of that dress you already know only too well.
Her
lips now in that pout that haunts your dreams,
(its been used so many times before to
get so many things).
And you
kiss down the smooth white stomach and land, beached,
upon a
red triangle of wire (dyed to match, of course) and another pair of
scarlet
lips.
You can
hear her now, sighing in the throaty, breathfilled voice that
always
wanted so badly to be Marilyn singing Happy Birthday to a President
long
since lost.
And
behind her your hands get lost in the soft white dough of curves you
had
only before dreamed of in silver white, sparkling against the sand of
the
uncharted desert isle.
You are
getting lost in the red and white and you know now why producers
were
mourning her loss as a tragedy for the industry.
[A
Bridge in Prose]: Supposing that the
Howell's were monogamous (and
honestly,
wouldn't they sort of have to be?) that leaves three boys for our
two
women, an excess of the dialectic they represent. Who goes without?
Who
doubles up? Has the professor, who after all can make a washing machine
out of
coconuts and bamboo, already invented a tropical pleasure toy from
available
materials and is he entertaining himself nightly, the only one,
after
all, with his own hut? Is there a
regular rotation, or agreed upon
pairs,
or is the whole thing ad-libbed depending on who has eaten the most
coconut
custard pie from the night before?
Mary Anne
The
eyes wide
(and powerful from eating carrots
grown from atomically radiated see=
ds)
and the muscles of her
shoulders and arms hard and smooth.
Her
lips are small and her tongue is sharp as it flashes into your mouth at
hyperspeed.
Her
hands, still soft but slightly bony and without a trace of color on the
nails
(she
does them often but never red, unless her personality has been
switched
by an evil scientist with an accent).
they pull quickly on your hair as she
gasps in an innocent passion.
Her
shirt unbuttons easily and you kiss the small pink nipples and she
purrs
like a farm cat.
Your
hand is drawn down to the legendary stomach (ever-exposed but for a
small
rise in the denim of her shorts that discreetly covers her navel (it
was,
after all, the law)).
It is
the stomach of dreams. The flat waist and hard thighs of the land.
And
between...
A wild bird's nest of a thicket...
Untrimmed and pungent and now
stretching for your fingers.
There
is fire in this wholesomeness,
a wild passion in this Mid-West, milk
fed, energy.
And she
is loud...screaming across an island from lagoon to caves her cry
echoing
in the jungle and on the radio that always knows its cue.
And you
smile in your ecstacy...
because
you know in your heart
that no
matter what
the
hole in that boat will never be patched.
- JVO
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Back to
lurker status for me (too many papers to grade),
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Boy you
really have the "bughouse blues" today don't you? As usual, I was
taken
out of context....I did not say the letters never existed. I said that
according
to the library, there is no record of their being there.So I am
merely
repeating what they have told me and others. I was criticizing them.
I, if
you put it into the right context, was actually agreeing with you. I,
through
my story about other incidents, was relating a similar circumstance.
I was
trying to porve a point about "their" incompetence. But, like
everything
else that was ever uttered here, it was taken out of context
first
by a lawyer and then regurgitated and re-ingested by Gerald
Nicosia....you
know like vultures do.
Paul. . .
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
>
> Oct 29, 1997
> Back from Los Angeles. The PEN dinner was splendid, some really
>
deserving people got awards. John Rechy
got the lifetime achievement award.
> He
is one great writer and also a super kind and giving human being (beloved
> by
generations of students at USC). If you
don't know his work, check out
>
CITY OF NIGHT, which is the gay ON THE ROAD.
But Rechy's prose is even more
>
poetic than Kerouac's. Yet he was
always marginalized as "just a gay writer."
> Bill Vollmann got the award in
fiction for THE ATLAS. He's 38 years
>
old and has published 10 books, some of them beyond amazing. BUTTERFLY
>
STORIES, WHORES FOR GLORIA, 13 STORIES, these are works at the cutting edge
> of
fiction today, dealing with skinheads, AIDS, street prostitutes, whoring
>
his way across Asia, stuff you wouldn't believe. SOme people are calling
>
him the next Kerouac. His style is much
different than jack's, more
>
cerebral, but this "kid" has got one hell of a punch and maybe is the
best
>
contender now alive to fill Jack's shoes (which may never be filled, any
>
more than anybody is ever going to box better than Muhammed Ali, or play
>
basketball better than Michael Jordan).
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
Glad
you had a safe trip Gerry. The next
anybody always seems a
horrible
thing to place upon anyone. Some line
from Lou Reed often pops
into my
head "you can't be Shakespeare and you can't be Joyce" lada lada
lada. Much easier to waste time doing e-mailing
with such thoughts.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Well I
have my other computer set up in the bedroom writing table area
now. One thing I found on it was a fairly shabby
master's thesis about
the
language strategies of the advocates for space colonization. It
seems
that for a number of reasons it is time to slowly begin to
translate
the significant work i did on that project into something that
is
REAL!!!!
And
William S. Burroughs writings are certainly an influence since then
which
need to be spliced into the stew. So
questions from the Gallery
for
potential threads or backchannel replies (for the timid).
1) William's Welcome -- On Dead City Radio --
What are you here for?
We're
all here to go into space!!! -- or
somesuch. Does this text
appear
somewhere in writing that I might want to track down?
2) A line without a context. Somewhere I have seen in connection or
quotation
with William Burroughs the following line "Travel is
necessary,
living isn't" or something like that.
Any help in tracking
down
where that might come from???
3) How does number 2 relate to WSB's attitude
towards Neal's motion
without
purpose lifestyle? Just opinions there
-- anybody? anybody?
4) Stasis Horrors. This seems to be a biological argument by WSB for
movement
-- I've seen and heard of it many many times.
Can folks help
me out
with specific references.
5) Anything and everything else :)
my
rather immature examination before led to a conclusion concerning the
use of
frontier myths and metaphors as well as science fiction and
fantasy
themes as a means to almost hypnotize the audience into a lack
of
interest in the technical arguments. To
me this should have been the
first
chapter and go from there.
Unfortunately, the adviser had other
notions. I have much more respect for him now -- but
perhaps it is time
as a
very long term project to begin to re-write this project from the
beginning
I'd suggested towards an ending that the future of the
universe
may only know.
Other
backchannel requests:
Many of
you are beginning to understand that i REALLY AM illiterate in
the
sense of literature. I know how to
treat politics as a text,
foreign
policy decisions as texts, and employ literary critical tools in
examining
them -- often finding soap opera generes at work :)
If you
can suggest backchannel things i should look into in terms of
literature
and narrative in the following areas that relate to this long
term
project I'd appreciate it.
Frontier
themes: I am very deep on the
philosophy and history of the
frontier
notions of American history. I know
nothing about the literary
experience.
Science
fiction: About the only science fiction
I've read to date are
things
which appear within the texts of presumably non-fiction books
like
Gerard O'Neill's The High Frontier and the like.
Science
fantasy: I understand the distinctions
here between fiction and
fantasy
but that is as far as I go.
In
terms of suggestions -- I'd ask for notions that are:
1) Classics within these genres so to speak
(from your perspective)
2) Possibly connected to the readings of WSB
(if this is possible to
guess).
Any
help is appreciated.
<listening
to Bruce Cockburn ... mellow finding old projects never
completed
on old computer that is now my "writing" computer.>
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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lately
i just keep waking to anna, with thanks
lately i just keep waking alone
in the black of night
i breathe shallow i wear earphones
not to wake you
not to wake you
i breath shallowly
3 am 4 am
mind wanders and stumbles
stuck in the valley of consciousness
black timelessness,
i don=92t
think of tomorrow, rather
merge with the blackness
listen to the burning
fire
in my ears, break free --the
passions wax in my ears,
and turning,
turn up the volume on the
sobbing stereo wailing
i make my choice
light the candle
shed my
clothes
twirl on the balls of my
feet and let
my hips find their own rhythm
scarf in hand,
flung swirls, settles
the lamp shadows cast,
i dance to my anima,
shadow cast
i ride the iddles
in the midst of hurricane
a halcyon dance.
go away if it bothers you, in fact
please go away.
its the blackness you see
the blackness and me
everybody nobody knows about me
nobody everybody
nobody knows about me
the song
the vigil
energy
oct 29? 97
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James
Stauffer wrote:
>
>
David,
>
> A
little Lew Welch in counterpoint to the Snyder pome on poetry
All my
library had was Genesis Angels: The Saga of Lew Welch and the
Beat
Generation by Aram Saroyan in the biography section. Anyone have
comments
on the quality of this biography? It
seems thin after having
read
Memory Babe!!!
A clip
from Gary Snyder on Welch here:
Lew
Welch had a mind and style of unique delicacy and penetration. Aram
Saroyan's
Genesis Angels approaches Lew from the inside -- a comradely,
intuitive,
bold book that is a creative work in its own right. Also
accurate,
I vouch for that.
Also
found a copy of Anne Waldman's Kill or Cure but haven't examined it
at all
yet.
>
>
(WHENEVER I MAKE A NEW POEM)
>
>
Whenever I make a new poem,
>
the old ones sound like gibberish.
>
How can they ever make sense in a book?
>
>
Let them say:
>
"He seems to have lived in the mountains.
> He
travelled now and then.
>
When he apeared in cities,
> he
was almost always drunk.
>
>
"Most of his poems are lost.
>
Many of those we have were found in
>
letters to his friends.
>
>
"He had a very large number of friends."
>
>
(THE IMAGE AS HEXAGRAM)
>
>
The image, as in a Hexagram:
>
>
The hermit locks his door against the blizzard.
> He
keeps the cabin warm.
>
>
All winter he sorts out all he has.
>
What was well started shall be finished.
>
What was not, should be thrown away.
>
> In
spring he emerges with one garment
>
and a single book.
>
>
The cabin is very clean.
>
>
Except for that, you'd never guess
>
anyone lived there.
>
> (I
SAW MYSELF)
>
> I
saw myself
> a
ring of bone
> in
the clear stream
> of
all of it
>
>
and vowed,
>
always to be open to it
>
that all of it
> might
flow through
>
>
and then heard
>
"ring of bone" where
>
ring is what a
>
>
bell does.
>
>
(all from "Hermit Poems", Ring of Bone)
Interesting. I am learning something from these unknown
(to me) Beats
already. The writing is skeletal it seems but on
second look plump and
truth
fills the spaces between the letters, the words, and the lines.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html
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On Wed,
29 Oct 1997, Antoine Maloney wrote:
> Saw your comment about young Bill
Burroughs' "mediocre books"....is
>
that pretty much the case? I saw a copy of "Kentucky Ham" and was
wondering
>
about getting it just today. Can you tell me anything about it. I recently
>
bought Jan Kerouac's "Baby Driver" and thought I might let my
completist
>
instincts run riot.
Ah,
taken to task on a tossed-off remark. Actually, I have to confess
that
I've only read Speed, and not Kentucky Ham. After reading Speed I
figured
my reading time was better spent elsewhere. Billy has little to no
skill
as a stylist, and as my favourite English prof said "if you're not
going
to do something interesting with language, you better have a good
story
to tell." I think Billy failed on that count as well. I didn't find
it
gripping, nor did I find the actual story particularly illuminating or
insightful.
I've heard Speed compared to Junky (Speed being the
angst-filled,
alienated youth version), but I think Junky was a
mediocre
book too. Burroughs wasn't possessed by genius until his writing
found
the form of routines; you see some glimmers of it in Queer, but it
doesn't
find its full force until Naked Lunch (you see them develop in the
letters,
of course). "Raw" was a good adjective to describe Billy's
writing
(what I've read of it anyway), but I'd also describe Kerouac's
Tristessa
as raw, in an unkind way. Actually, I think I'm going to stop
making
these comments before I start a storm I don't want to be in the
middle
of.
Well,
it looks like it's 3-1 so far on the BEAT-L
commendation/condemnation
scale, so take it for what its worth. If you
wanna
read Billy, I'd suggest you pick up the "Speed/Kentucky Ham: Two
Novels"
omnibus from Overlook Books (seriously resisting cheap joke here),
rather
than just the one. It's still in print as far as I know, and costs
around
$15 new.
Yours,
Neil
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Everyone
has his opinion. I think that Bill
Burroughs Jr.'s SPEED, is one of
the 10
or so best books from the 60's. I think
it is excellent. It is a
great
coming of age novel - testing limits, friendships and, of course drugs.
I don't think there is a better book about
the scarey speed scene that arose
in New
York in the late 60's.
Bill Burroughs
Jr., basically gave up on life. Alcohol
was his real demon.
I can scarcely imagine how I would have felt
if my father had accidentially
shot my
mother while I was at a very tender age - HORROR. Bill Burroughs Jr.
was
raised my his grandparents. WSB tried
to help, esp. Billy later in life.
I'm sure he felt pretty guilty. In any case, SPEED is a good read (not a
hard
read like many of his Dad's books).
Howard
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gerry
thanks for the dinner descripton. i agree re: bob kaufman he is somekind
of
tetched
in the head saintly poet freely giving saint to me.
as fer
the rest, let's call it an X file not worth the trouble.
i'm
sure there are many other phenomena out there for you to investigate,
mulder.
waiting
on yr report re: vietnam war
agent
scully
Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
> Oct 29, 1997
> Back from Los Angeles. The PEN dinner was splendid, some really
>
deserving people got awards. John Rechy
got the lifetime achievement award.
> He
is one great writer and also a super kind and giving human being (beloved
> by
generations of students at USC). If you
don't know his work, check out
>
CITY OF NIGHT, which is the gay ON THE ROAD.
But Rechy's prose is even more
>
poetic than Kerouac's. Yet he was
always marginalized as "just a gay writer."
> Bill Vollmann got the award in
fiction for THE ATLAS. He's 38 years
>
old and has published 10 books, some of them beyond amazing. BUTTERFLY
>
STORIES, WHORES FOR GLORIA, 13 STORIES, these are works at the cutting edge
> of
fiction today, dealing with skinheads, AIDS, street prostitutes, whoring
>
his way across Asia, stuff you wouldn't believe. SOme people are calling
>
him the next Kerouac. His style is much
different than jack's, more
>
cerebral, but this "kid" has got one hell of a punch and maybe is the
best
>
contender now alive to fill Jack's shoes (which may never be filled, any
>
more than anybody is ever going to box better than Muhammed Ali, or play
>
basketball better than Michael Jordan).
>
There probably is no "next Kerouac," but give Vollmann a look anyway,
if you
>
love fiction that hits hard and isn't afraid of life's "dirty side."
> I dedicated the award for Cranial
Guitar to Jan Kerouac. I told the
>
audience that if Bob Kaufman were alive today, he'd sure be fighting to save
>
Jack Kerouac's archive and make it available to all. The day I met BOb,
>
more than 20 years ago, he rushed to his hotel room to bring me a poem Jack
>
Kerouac had written to him. And he
didn't charge me $10,000 for it.
> So I come home to find in my email
that the letters stolen from my
>
archive never even existed ("you don't even exist!" someone wrote to
Jack
>
Kerouac in 1967, which he recounts in VANITY OF DULUOZ), Attila Gyenis gets
>
his mail out of a mailbox 3000 miles away, and we should all consider Paul
>
Maher, a convicted book thief, as a more credible witness than Bentz Kirby,
> a
member of the South Carolina bar.
> Someone ought to enroll Mr. Sampas
and his followers in Franklin
>
Rosemont's surrealist society. They
have a native gift for the surreal that
>
surpasses even DuChamps and Breton.
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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This is
not a flame and I am not trying to insult anyone but
Bentz I
am curious, as a lawyer could you answer a few questions? Gerry
posted
this a while back. This is a direct quote.
>"THERE
WAS NO LAW SUIT FOR ME TO HELP JAN WITH UNTIL 1994, and a
>large
part of Jan's reason for filing the suit was TO STOP JOHN >SAMPAS
FROM
SELLING OFF PIECES OF KEROUAC'S ARCHIVE TO COLLECTORS >AND DEALERS,
which
didn't begin until 1991" - G.N.
If as
according to Gerry Nicosia as posted here on the beat-l a LARGE PART
of
Jan's and Gerry's reason for filing the lawsuit was to stop the estate
from
selling off pieces of the archive which allegedly had been going on
for
three years. Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the lawsuit is
bogus
and made up just to find a way to stop the estate from selling items
that
they legally owned. In other words I thought that the reason for the
suit was
because the estate did something illegal but now Gerry insinuates
that
it's because Jan and Gerry were mad and frustrated that items were
being
sold THEN came up with the idea of a forged will as a way to stop
these
items from being sold. Also isn't the estate innocent of the charge
of
allegedly forging the will until it's actually proven in a court of law?
Also
who are they actually saying forged the will? Legally don't they have
to
actually accuse someone (a real person) of the crime? THIS IS NOT A
FLAME.
Try to answer objectively as a lawyer who has no interest in taking
sides
on this matter. I for one think it's a shame that Jack left nothing
in his
will for his daughter but I know he told my father that he didn't
think
she was his daughter (which I don't agree with and that is not in
dispute
here) and maybe that's the reason for leaving her out of the will.
I am
not asking Gerry these questions I am asking you as a lawyer.Phil
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On Thu,
30 Oct 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>
1) William's Welcome -- On Dead City
Radio -- What are you here for?
>
We're all here to go into space!!! --
or somesuch. Does this text
>
appear somewhere in writing that I might want to track down?
Check
both The Third Mind, and The Adding Machine. I believe it's also in
Ah Pook
(Arthur?). If you really want to know exactly where that
particular
passage is from, the liner notes contain all the sources. This
is one
of the catch-phrases that Burroughs uses everywhere, and
incidentally,
it's also borrowed from Brion Gysin (I'm not sure if he says
that on
Dead City Radio). I'm sure this is also discussed in the Gysin
book
"Here to Go: Planet R101".
>
2) A line without a context. Somewhere I have seen in connection or
>
quotation with William Burroughs the following line "Travel is
>
necessary, living isn't" or something like that. Any help in tracking
>
down where that might come from???
The
line is "It is necessary to travel, it is not necessary to live."
Another
ubiquitious Burroughs phrase, that I believe he stole as well.
Off the
top of my head, it appears in The Place of Dead Roads around page
115.
I'm also fairly certain it appears in My Education, as travel is one
of the
major topics he deals with.
>
3) How does number 2 relate to WSB's
attitude towards Neal's motion
>
without purpose lifestyle? Just
opinions there -- anybody? anybody?
Burroughs'
purpose was the Johnson Space Program. He always had a purpose,
and
referred to himself as a "pure scientist", which obviously implies a
direction
and focus for investigation.
>
4) Stasis Horrors. This seems to be a biological argument by
WSB for
>
movement -- I've seen and heard of it many many times. Can folks help
> me
out with specific references.
The
"Stasis Horrors" would correspond most directly with Burroughs'
notions
of homo sap being "the human artifact". He discusses this in The
Job, I
believe, as well as The Adding Machine.
I read
an article in a scholarly journal from England that claimed that
Burroughs'
concept of getting into space was like the traditional concept
of the
soul coming free of the body, so you may want to examine some of
the
ontological precepts governing Burroughs' notions of escaping Time to
get
into Space. Another thing that aligns Burroughs with some traditional
Christian
notions of spirituality is his horror and revulsion of the body.
This is
discussed in "The Postmodern Anus", from _At the Front_.
I can't
tell you the name of the article mentioned above, because
unfortunately
I found it in the University of Waterloo library through a
search
of an electronic index of journal articles, and UW is a hundred K
away...
If you want to find it, search a similar index of scholarly
journals,
with Burroughs as the subject, and the article appeared in
something
like "British Studies in Contemporary American Fiction". Sorry
for the
vagueness of sources, but you didn't expect to notactually
read
Burroughs, or go to the library, did you? ;-)
Hope
this helps,
Neil
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Looking
to learn something that would require reading far more than i
currently
have time for, I'm hoping to engage some folks in an exercise
in
teaching me.
I
recognize (and recall some threads or strings) that GS is the "basis"
for
character named J-something in the JK Legend.
But I also require
WSB's
admonition (from another thread) that while connections may be
visible
to literal life, JK was writing a Legend and was more than
willing
in developing characters from real life to take the Literary
License
he felt necessary in doing so.
Some of
y'all know far more about JK than I and will know more about
JK's
character based in the reality of Gary Snyder.
Others of y'all
know
far more about Gary Snyder than I and will know more about his
literature
and biography and be able to discern what JK left out of GS,
and
where he diverted from GS etc.
I'd
look forward to being taught.
Sitting
alone in Salina Kansas wondering about such things.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html
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Neil
Hennessy wrote:
>
>
Hope this helps,
>
Neil
Very
much ... thanks a lot!!!
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/31/index.html
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Howdy
All,
I just
dropped by Luke Kelly's site, and he's put up a Naked Lunch
concordance!
My applause and gratitude go out to Luke for this incredibly
useful
service he provided gratis, for no other reason than devotion to
the
work of WSB. So if you've got the barest fragment of a quotation, the
source
is only a few clicks away. Great work Luke. His site is at
http://www.bigtable.com
Neil
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Just
casting my vote for GENESIS ANGELS.
Great book, interior/subjective
look at
that great poet; I have a postcard somewhere from Saroyan saying
he
tried it straight, writing it as a "regular" biography, and that it
just
didn't work, so he wrote it again "Beat" style (my adjective).
Though
literally a small book, it's pretty terrific.
Don Lee
Fayetteville,
Ark.
"I
always imagined I would write a book, if only a small one, that would
carry
one away, into a realm that could not be measured nor even
remembered."
-- Patti
Smith, Woolgathering
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if you
read all of the info available about billy and his tragic life, imagine
finally
knowing you've drunk yrself todeath and
waking out of a hepatic coma to
you're
alive but with a dead man's liver in you? this i think is what led to
the and is a defining moment in his death. even
folks who pray for them organs
have to
make their peace with this, billy never even knew it was coming. his
books,
speed in particular, i see as a great read and representative of 60s
equally
the diary of a damaged child.
now a
damaged almost never to be grown up.
wow.
i'm on
a cheery jag this am
signing
off
commander
hoek.
Howard
Park wrote:
>
Everyone has his opinion. I think that
Bill Burroughs Jr.'s SPEED, is one of
>
the 10 or so best books from the 60's.
I think it is excellent. It is a
>
great coming of age novel - testing limits, friendships and, of course drugs.
> I don't think there is a better book about
the scarey speed scene that arose
> in
New York in the late 60's.
>
>
Bill Burroughs Jr., basically gave up on life.
Alcohol was his real demon.
> I can scarcely imagine how I would have felt
if my father had accidentially
>
shot my mother while I was at a very tender age - HORROR. Bill Burroughs Jr.
>
was raised my his grandparents. WSB
tried to help, esp. Billy later in life.
> I'm sure he felt pretty guilty. In any case, SPEED is a good read (not a
>
hard read like many of his Dad's books).
>
>
Howard Park
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I think
what Gerry was meaning is that until the estate started selling
things
off, they didn't really care who was handling the archive. It was
the
"mishandling" of the archive that prompted Jan to try to insinuate
her
rights
to it.
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
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kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
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Subject: Re: Inspiration
In a
message dated 97-10-29 12:08:19 EST, you write:
<<
It comes blundering over the
Boulders at night, it stays
Frightened outside the
Range of my campfire
I go to meet it at the
Edge of the light.
>>
any particular reason why each line is
capitalized? any thoughts? does
this
add to signifigance of piece?
~~Marlene
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I'm
starting to feel like a stodgy old curmudgeon. It's now 5-1. Perhaps I
should
go back and read Kentucky Ham, and maybe Speed again. It has been
about 5
or 6 years since I read Speed. Perhaps I was missing something. If
it's in
at the library I'll put it in the queue somewhere after bpNichol's
"An
H in the Heart" and Alfred Jarry's Selected Works.
Horribly
outvoted, hopefully not outmoded
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outvoted
does not mean you must be in the wrong.
question
authority
i do so
to myself at least daily.
ho
mc
Neil
Hennessy wrote:
>
I'm starting to feel like a stodgy old curmudgeon. It's now 5-1. Perhaps I
>
should go back and read Kentucky Ham, and maybe Speed again. It has been
>
about 5 or 6 years since I read Speed. Perhaps I was missing something. If
>
it's in at the library I'll put it in the queue somewhere after bpNichol's
>
"An H in the Heart" and Alfred Jarry's Selected Works.
>
>
Horribly outvoted, hopefully not outmoded
>
Neil
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Thanks
Neil for reminding me to visit Luke's awesome Burroughs page. I love
to
browse, pick up nuggets and gems here and there. As always I feel
refreshed
and newly enlightened after browsing his Memorial Museum and
scientific
laboratory for the imagination.
leon
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>Howdy
All,
>
>I
just dropped by Luke Kelly's site, and he's put up a Naked Lunch
>concordance!
My applause and gratitude go out to Luke for this incredibly
>useful
service he provided gratis, for no other reason than devotion to
>the
work of WSB. So if you've got the barest fragment of a quotation, the
>source
is only a few clicks away. Great work Luke. His site is at
>http://www.bigtable.com
>
>Neil
>.-
>
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In a
message dated 97-10-30 06:51:12 EST, you write:
<<
>Dear Mr. Gallaher,
>
>
Why do you find it nessisary to attack my request? Do you find it
>funny to point fingers and mock me? Is that what your mental abilities
>allow you to do, or am I over
exaggerating you mental capabilities by
>giving you that much credit? Perhaps you simply thought I would find
>being mocked and ridiculed publicly
funny? Perhaps when you look in the
>>
OH
JESUS!
here we
go again....personally i enjoy the poets on the list and for the
chance
to post any of my poetry. simmer down, you all. Really.... this list
needs a
mom, to control all the outbursts. relax people....let it go.....
~~Marlene
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moving
marie...i simply love it. sounds like an excellent performance pice.
BTW,
i'm a performing poet, and i wondered if you'd mind if i performed your
piece
at a local coffeehouse here in south florida. i'll let them know the
piece
isn't mine. do you mind? i just love this piece. Its stirring.
~~Marlene
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David
You are
asking about the portrait of Gary Snyder as Japhy Ryder in
Dharma
Bums. I think the question could
probably only be answered
really
accurately by someone who know both Jack and Gary then, and even
then
it's just another subjectivity.
I have
never heard the basic accuracy of this portrait questioned.
Seeing
Gary now it is easy to imagine him as the young "Japhy."
Obviously
he grew from that point. However, with
Snyder most of the
pieces
that make him what he is were already there.
He was already a
serious
student of Asian languages and religion, particularly Zen
Buddhism
and a preoccupation with the natural world and particularly the
American
West. I've gathered that at times Snyder has grown rather tired
of
being seen only as "Japhy" which is understandable. I do think that
Japhy
is Gary as Jack saw him. Of course as
always when we write about
friends,
we focus on the part of them that impacts us, and we may miss
other
aspects of the person that seem equally important to him or her.
Not a
JK expert--
J.
Stauffer
>
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dance
in
camplight
all
others ringed round the fire asleep
ceiling
of skies, sleepless
blanket
round shoulders
i sit
and bend towards fire
sweat
raises on shoulders
firelight
warmth
sudden
gust of cold, then icy fire
he
appears
my
wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion
if you
will, my metaphor
and the
firelight
turns
to music
sweat
raises to shoulders
and
muscles obey
running
electric alive
to all
casual eyes
i dance
alone in the desert
oh
please,
oh
please,
hear me
hear out my story
because
you were in it
alive
alive alive
you
who are
you
who are
you
my
angst
my
well
chosen adversary
my
brother
my
killer
life
giver
who
and why
then crave i sleep
the
question
so
easily cicles
chasing
me all around leading me all around in circles
dream
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Donald,
I'd
agree. Not a bad book. Certainly not the sort of things that have
been
done on JK. I like the book, although I
feel it is really limited
by not
citing source material. From any sort
of selfish scholarly point
of view
that is frustrating. Good book as an
"appreciation" or whatever
of
Lew. A real literary biography has yet
to be done.
J.
Stauffer
Donald
G. Jr. Lee wrote:
>
>
Just casting my vote for GENESIS ANGELS.
Great book, interior/subjective
>
look at that great poet; I have a postcard somewhere from Saroyan saying
> he
tried it straight, writing it as a "regular" biography, and that it
>
just didn't work, so he wrote it again "Beat" style (my adjective).
>
Though literally a small book, it's pretty terrific.
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marlene,
please email me privately at
country@sover.net
thanks
mc
Marlene
Giraud wrote:
>
moving marie...i simply love it. sounds like an excellent performance pice.
>
BTW, i'm a performing poet, and i wondered if you'd mind if i performed your
>
piece at a local coffeehouse here in south florida. i'll let them know the
>
piece isn't mine. do you mind? i just love this piece. Its stirring.
>
~~Marlene
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At
09:41 AM 10/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>If
as according to Gerry Nicosia as posted here on the beat-l a LARGE PART
>of
Jan's and Gerry's reason for filing the lawsuit was to stop the estate
>from
selling off pieces of the archive which allegedly had been going on
>for
three years. Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the lawsuit is
>bogus
Dear
Phil, Oct 30, 1997
Let's get one fact straight. I never filed a lawsuit against John
Sampas,
although he apparently keeps telling people that. Matt Theado
interviewed
JS and wrote the same thing in the DICTIONARY OF LITERARY BIOGRAPHY.
The only legal action I am involved in
at present is the action by
Mr.
John Lash to have me disqualified as Jan Kerouac's literary executor.
In this
action, it is true, he is backed by Mr. Sampas.
In the original brief that was filed
with Jan's lawsuit, she states
her
concern that the Sampas family has not been properly caring for her
father's
estate. This has been public knowledge
since 1994, so please stop
acting
like you just uncovered a big secret.
Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia
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Gerald
Nicosia wrote:
>
>
acting like you just uncovered a big secret.
> Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia
Gerry,
i
imagine that you are the most expert of anyone on the list concerning
my
questions about Gary Snyder vs. Jack's depiction of GS in novels. In
your
research for Memory Babe did you come across any wonderful tales
you
could tell that address the differences between GS in life and GS in
Jack's
novels?
I
recognize that you are very very busy.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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I agree, and wonder why this book hasn't
gained a newfound popularity
with
the rise of the whole meth thing. I
think that book is guaranteed to
scare
any tweeker straight!!
Anne
Sneddon
On Thu,
30 Oct 1997, Howard Park wrote:
>
Everyone has his opinion. I think that
Bill Burroughs Jr.'s SPEED, is one of
>
the 10 or so best books from the 60's.
I think it is excellent. It is a
>
great coming of age novel - testing limits, friendships and, of course drugs.
> I don't think there is a better book about
the scarey speed scene that arose
> in
New York in the late 60's.
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I seem
to remember that Gary pronounced Kerouac's portrayal of him in
Dharma
Bums as pretty accurate and was agreeable about the whole thing.
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
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At
09:41 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Phil Chaput wrote:
Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the
lawsuit is
>bogus
and made up just to find a way to stop the estate from selling items
>that
they legally owned.
Dear
Phil, Maher, Gyenis & Company:
FRANKLY I AM GETTING DAMN TIRED OF
YOUR INSINUATIONS EVERY DAMN DAY
THAT I
AM A CROOK AND THAT JAN IS A CROOK AND/OR THAT I PUT HER UP TO A
"BOGUS
LAWSUIT."
The lawsuit was based on several key
pieces of evidence, which included:
1) the report by New ENgland Legal
Investigations, one of the best
handwriting
analysis firms in the country, used extensively by the fed
govt.,
that Gabrielle Kerouac's signature is "an obvious forgery"; and
2) two sworn depositions by the one
living "witness" to the will,
CLifford
Larkin, that he never actually saw Gabrielle sign the will, in fact
he
never in his life even saw her move either of her hands.
That kind of evidence would be enough
for me or anyone else to
conclude
their grandmother's will was probably forged.
If you have evidence that I put Jan up
to a "bogus lawsuit," please
let us
know what this evidence is. Otherwise I
will conclude you and your
friends
are malicious slanderers. Or maybe
YOU'RE just a bunch of crooks.
Not saying you are, but how do YOU
like getting called a crook for a
change?
Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia
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(i
think)
in
dreamless nights
in
dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands
-the
freedom
-the
altitiude
-my
shadow cast on the capes
windspread wide and proud.
i no
longer dream of flying,
i no longer dream at all.
(I hail
from the country of In Somnia
I=92m
only here to gather some ingredients:
bane of
darkness
wort of
light
bones
of a robin)
[the
condescending smile of an eye
as i beg for help,
condescending
incomprehending eye]
so
rejected,
i
choose to stop such public presentations
i
choose to live here in my palace,
peopled
by imagination.
who is
to say which is which?
the
corporeal or the ethereal?
i dwell
on this laid awake for so many of my days
stricken
by fear of wrong choice of audience
(audience
needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)
dream
weavers, you would no longer
be the
hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,
dream
weavers you would have to be here
you
would weave my passage with my message :
i see
you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn
by
desperations,
i see
you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,
feel
me,
i=92m
in your pocket
i=92m
here;
you
awaken....
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From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>
Subject: if blessing were like poets...(sorry a
long one)
If blessings were like poets and waterfalls
could talk
by marlene giraud
i was reborn on a mountain top in north
carolina
lost myself in a waterfall
in energy, power
the power to let go
i felt myself letting go
pumping fibers of strength to the tips of my fingers
generating streams of blue light
connected to women
to my friends
to myself
i wanted to climb
crawl
curl
inside the raging thrusts of water
make love
passion
to collide
to recreate my self.
i reeled and forced my soul to reawaken
to rebirth
to imagine cool cool waters
trembling
furious
afraid
I was afraid!
i held all my fears in my child hood
in a little girl tucked shyly in the palm
of my hand
afraid
afraid of men
of nature
of death
of youth
of impulses
of this moment.....
i stretched my arms like dancers do long and full
mists of air coating my face
aware of nothing but water
cold cold air
the rush of wind
the beating rythmns
I swallowed it
let the music and magic invade me
encompass me
(pass through me)
feeling smooth wet stones beneath my feet
slipping into a fever
I was ALIVE
awake and alive
senses boiling
gut wrenching
i tingled and churned
waved my arms and hands through the
moisture
calling to it
renaming it
rolling it through my body
inhaling the thrust of new life--- a new
lover
i
imagined myself as greenery spread along rock walls
constantly hammered and wet
beaten and pushed
I felt life slamming me
holding me
rocking me
beating me
repeating me
reliving
dissolving discoloring
reviving
swirled sprayed spit
taking pure breaths
inwardly craving for the solace of my
room
to rewind
hide again
to be a child
But I was angry and it overpowered me!
i needed to let go
remind myself of moments like these
standing in wet sands drippy cool
on cliffs of my neediness
teetering
swaying
letting moist winds slide inside me
i wanted to sing-scream
"WE ARE FORTUNATE ONES!
FORTUNATE ONES!"
and all the beauty and music and awe and
vitality
rose to my throat
gurgle....sputter...choke....exhale..........
mingle with the air and resonate
in one long scream of renewal!
i collected the moment a
million times
reavowed my freedom
crawled breathloessly out of the shell i
had created
all the flower fragranced poetry
barefeet and boldness
The Woman I wanted to Be
i shed my skin
danced nude and encircled by a thousand
tiny lightning bugs
i felt the dead rise near me
poets and nighttime friends
teachers and campfire dreamers
all reunited
hovering in sweet circles around me
guiding me
i felt them in the pulsing of the night
the splashed sands and falling rocks
i held their hands
created spheres of silvery sprinkled
newness
I was alive
I WAS ALIVE
and i was
Found.............
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I have
to tell you that I have no words. I guess awesome is a word. But does
it
describe watching miracles happening?
Once
you know that the chains that bind and entangle and stifle and butcher
into
unrecognizable shape the words that cry out from the pressure of the
squeeze,
once you can hear your voice push through all of that, my god I
knew
and couldn't prove it to myself even all that power of knowledge and
statement
that is hiding inside in my soul that
can come through through
the
shaking vibrating fibers of my body unable to keep its sovereignty
intact,
well when its done, take your place flesh and bone palace and
prison,
open up windows, we can exist together, we know what is inside will
come
through, there will come an end to the prison in the palace of, we
already
know the soul was not overpowered, can't be, will not be, so take it
easy
rest my body, it's allright.
Dear
maries, I just had to say something, so I did, look at it as a loving
friend
having to say something. Now i am going to do some of my chores.
Love
leon
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Date:
Thursday, October 30, 1997 10:04 AM
Subject:
insomnia 4
(i
think)
in
dreamless nights
in
dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands
-the
freedom
-the
altitiude
-my
shadow cast on the capes
windspread
wide and proud.
i no
longer dream of flying,
i no
longer dream at all.
(I hail
from the country of In Somnia
Im only
here to gather some ingredients:
bane of
darkness
wort of
light
bones
of a robin)
[the
condescending smile of an eye
as i
beg for help,
condescending
incomprehending eye]
so
rejected,
i
choose to stop such public presentations
i
choose to live here in my palace,
peopled
by imagination.
who is
to say which is which?
the
corporeal or the ethereal?
i dwell
on this laid awake for so many of my days
stricken
by fear of wrong choice of audience
(audience
needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)
dream
weavers, you would no longer
be the
hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,
dream
weavers you would have to be here
you
would weave my passage with my message :
i see
you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn
by
desperations,
i see
you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,
feel
me,
im in
your pocket
im
here;
you
awaken....
.-
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Carolyn
will be speaking at the University Of Santa Cruz Kresge Hall as
part of
a series on The Beat Generation next Thursday, November 6 at 4
p.m.
Today's lecture is By Dianne DePrima.
I don't
have any information to add to James' response, except that from
what i
heard from John (her son) and Ann Marie (Ann Marie and Carolyn
are
very good friends. They correspond a lot, Carolyn is not reclusive
at all.
I thought John said that she will stay in the USA only several
weeks.
I can
forward any requests to John, who will graciously respond. I can
not,
however, offer his email address. He explained to me the reason he
is not
subscribing to the list is because he can't deal with a glut of
email.
I could ask him permission if someone wanted it though.
Hope
this helps
leon
>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:59:49 -0800
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>From:
ANNE ELIZABETH SNEDDON <sneddon@NEVADA.EDU>
>Subject: Carolyn Cassady (was: Al Hinkle)
>To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>Which
reminds me, does Carolyn make any public appearances? Is she
>involved
with anything on the Internet? Is it possible for
fans/students
>to
get in touch with her, or is she reclusive?
>Anne
Sneddon
>
>On
Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Levi Asher wrote:
>
>>
To answer the question about Al Hinkle, the real life
>>
Ed Dunkel of On The Road -- he died about a year ago.
>>
He and his wife Helen (Galatea Dunkel) were still living
>>
in the San Jose/Los Gatos area, and were still good
>>
friends with Carolyn Cassady and the Cassady kids at the
>>
end, which is a sort of interesting fact given the odd
>>
way they met during that cross-country trip that is now
>>
Beat legend ...
>>
>>
-------------------------------------------------------
>>
| Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com |
>>
| |
>>
| Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |
>>
| (the beat literature web
site) |
>>
| |
>>
| "Coffeehouse: Writings
from the Web" |
>>
| (a real book, like on
paper) |
>>
| also at
http://coffeehousebook.com |
>>
| |
>>
|
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>>
| |
>>
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>>
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>>
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Jorgiana
wrote:
Have
you noticed that in both instances (traffic and email) the rage =
comes
about (maybe) due to the fact that we are, to a degree, anonymous? =
I'd
like to express a thought or two on this. I can't see us being =
anonymous.
Everywthing we write is being recorded in Cyberspace and will =
come
back to haunt us when we least expect it.
The
second thing is the manner in which we express ourselves. Writing an =
email
is not the same thing as writing a letter nor is it the same thing =
as a
spoken conversation. I believe the way we express ourselves online =
is
reminiscent of or in line with Jack
Kerouac's ideas about =
Spontaneous
Writing, which for instance requires that you do not select =
your
expressions but to freely "follow
deviation (association) of mind =
into
limitless blow-on subject seas of thought, swimming in sea of =
English
with no discipline other than rhythms of rhetorical exhalation =
and
expostulated statement, like a fist coming down on a table with each =
complete
utterance, bang!"
I
believe we have seen a lot of this type of spontaneous writing on =
BEAT-L
since October 15. It may not always be pleasant but we should be =
grateful
for that free flow of thoughts expressed here !
So how
would Jack Kerouac have looked upon this medium of the =
spontaneous
flow of online threads ?
Would
he have joined in - insults and all - or would this writer of the =
"marathon
linguistic flow" (in the words of John Tytell) have kept =
hitting
the <delete> key ?=20
I think
he would have been busy doing the former !
JK
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Dear
Marie, Gerry and others ---
I'm
teaching an Intro. to Lit. course at Montclair State U. this fall --- 5
p.m.
mix of half second-career people in 30s and 40s and the rest about 18
through
20s. I made it the "outsider"
theme -- using Beat poetry, fiction and
nonfiction
prose, as well as a great collection of African-American poetry ---
TROUBLE
THE WATER.
Point??
-- After an initially lethargic 2 sessions, I assigned Kaufman's "Jazz
Chick,"
"O-Jazz-O" and "Round About Midnight," with other
selections. What a
turnon
for the class --- They really started moving -- taking in the rhythms,
the
sensuality, etc.
What I
say, Gerry? Just glad that you
re-illuminated Kaufman's work.
Dawn
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Please
dlete if this is a repeat. I have not received an acknowledgment when
I sent
it before. Thanks.
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Leon Tabory <letabor@hotmail.com>
To:
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Date:
Thursday, October 30, 1997 11:53 AM
Subject:
Re: Carolyn Cassady (was: Al Hinkle)
>Carolyn
will be speaking at the University Of Santa Cruz Kresge Hall as
>part
of a series on The Beat Generation next Thursday, November 6 at 4
>p.m.
Today's lecture is By Dianne DePrima.
>
>I
don't have any information to add to James' response, except that from
>what
i heard from John (her son) and Ann Marie (Ann Marie and Carolyn
>are
very good friends. They correspond a lot, Carolyn is not reclusive
>at
all. I thought John said that she will stay in the USA only several
>weeks.
>
>I
can forward any requests to John, who will graciously respond. I can
>not,
however, offer his email address. He explained to me the reason he
>is
not subscribing to the list is because he can't deal with a glut of
>email.
I could ask him permission if someone wanted it though.
>
>Hope
this helps
>
>leon
>
>>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:59:49 -0800
>>Reply-To:
"BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>>From:
ANNE ELIZABETH SNEDDON <sneddon@NEVADA.EDU>
>>Subject: Carolyn Cassady (was: Al Hinkle)
>>To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>>
>>Which
reminds me, does Carolyn make any public appearances? Is she
>>involved
with anything on the Internet? Is it possible for
>fans/students
>>to
get in touch with her, or is she reclusive?
>>Anne
Sneddon
>>
>>On
Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Levi Asher wrote:
>>
>>>
To answer the question about Al Hinkle, the real life
>>>
Ed Dunkel of On The Road -- he died about a year ago.
>>>
He and his wife Helen (Galatea Dunkel) were still living
>>>
in the San Jose/Los Gatos area, and were still good
>>>
friends with Carolyn Cassady and the Cassady kids at the
>>>
end, which is a sort of interesting fact given the odd
>>>
way they met during that cross-country trip that is now
>>>
Beat legend ...
>>>
>>>
-------------------------------------------------------
>>>
| Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com |
>>>
| |
>>>
| Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |
>>>
| (the beat literature web
site) |
>>>
| |
>>>
| "Coffeehouse: Writings
from the Web" |
>>>
| (a real book, like on
paper) |
>>>
| also at
http://coffeehousebook.com |
>>>
| |
>>>
|
*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* |
>>>
| |
>>>
| "Not
sunglasses, shades" |
>>>
-------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>.-
>>
>
>
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Dear
David,
I too
am a great admirer of the works which William S. Burroughs
produced
and have spent close to a year both purchasing and studying
his
titles. I had the pleasure of meeting
him on one occasion and was
at his
funeral.
Though
there are several people whom I could write about (Beethoven,
Philip
Larkin, A. Rich, Jack Kerouac, ad infinitum), I too would like
to
write an academic publication regarding Burroughs' works. His
insight
into the disordered and random bombardment of unsolicited
images
which society is exposed to each day was recognized as early as
his
works dealing with the "cut-up" and "fold-in" techniques
(Minutes
to Go,
The Exterminator, and culminating in The Third Mind), - He
would
probably like me to give Brion Gysin credit on the discover of
the
cut-up technique. His observations,
especially those which
focused
on the randomness of "Reality," caused by "the Word virus,"
the
mirror-like photographs produced by Ian Sommerville - the cover
for the
Olympia Press edition of The Ticket That Exploded is a
wonderful
example, (and which he later expounded upon with his
shot-gun
art), foresaw "Chaos" theory years ahead of the scientific
community.
His
theories on the abuses available to those in CONTROL are
wonderfully
articulated in his earlier works such as TIME (where such
a
seemingly obvious notion as that those who are in control of the
major
media outlets - Time-Life, Newsweek, CNN, and the major
newspapers
such as The Washington Post and The New York Times (whose
boilerplate
he may have cut-up to read "All the print that fits the
news,"),
have the wherewithal to actually CREATE the objective news we
read. Take for example a publication such as
Newsweek - by the time
it
reaches the stands, it full of the "news" events from both the
previous
week but also sets the tone for what's to come. By creating
and
deciding what is news worthy - they and other media outlets can
later follow
up and give life to these "created" articles. In
articulating
the environment in which he lived during his days as a
Junkie,
he observed that before a Federal Narcotics Bureau had been
formed,
the heroin issue/problem was relegated to a small group of
park
hussler's whose activities if covered at all, were relegated to a
paragraph
at the end of a newspaper. He saw that
today the same topic
has
been moved to the front page headlines, where the same issue has
been
defined in terms of "the American drug epidemic," and the need
for a
continued "War on Drugs."
He, as
well as Ginsberg, spent much time investigating the reported
"growth"
in drug consumption only to find that around 1920 or so,
doctors
were being arrested, imprisoned, and continually harassed if
they
were prescribing pain-alleviating medication which contained any
derivate
of Opium. This was being done in spite
of the fact the the
U.S.
Supreme Court had made a clear ruling (the case name I cannot
presently
recall, but involved an issue of interpretation into The
Harrison
Drug Act). The court ruled that doctors
should not be
prevented
from choosing a treatment, which in their professional
opinion
would aid their patients sufferings.
This was in accord with
a
Doctor's Hippocratic Oath to heal their patients sufferings.
The
result of the massive onslaught against the physicians (and the
legal
fees many incurred to prevent themselves from going to jail),
was to
stifle the medical profession from dispensing habit forming
pain-killers. Burroughs, Ginsberg, and others were of the
opinion
that
this resulted in driving a once, relatively small number of
addicts
(many who were "employed and respected individuals," in
contrast
to the stereotypical "addict" society is led to believe
exists),
into searching for other avenues for their addictions. These
people
were now forced to become "criminals" by seeking proscribed
"drugs"
on the streets. Burroughs' understand
the driving impetus
behind
the change (those addicted to control and power), which has
resulted
in the overcrowded prisons (a good percentage full of
non-violent
drug users who were arrested for the possession of illegal
drugs),
which our society faces today.
His
"Algebra of Need," a metaphor for the myriad of addictions which
exist
today (i.e. power, drugs, money, sex, control etc.), is clear in
its
identification of those addicted to power and control of others as
the
driving force behind our governments policy towards drug
addiction. There is a tremendous amount of money
generated by a penal
system
which continues to arrest drug users and imprison them, with
only a
minimal emphasis spent on prevention and cure.
It's a
lucrative
and repetitive cycle for those involved, and addicted, to
the
"rewards" our penal system offers.
Many attorneys, courts and
their
subsequent fees, police officers, judges, prison wardens and
guards
ect., will continue to have their addictions to power and money
fed,
while those in need of medical, spiritual, and economic aid
continue
to suffer as a result.
Burroughs
claimed that his "recovery" from his heroin addiction,
(acquired
with the aid of the Apomorphine Cure he received from Dr.
Dent in
England), worked by regulating the body's natural metabolic
systems
until the drug could be eliminate from its system. It sharply
reduced
the "Junk Sickness," which prevents other addicts from
discontinuing
its use. Why?, he wondered was this
treatment never
permitted
a license for usage in America. He knew
there was too much
money
to be gained on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies (with
their
myriad of available ailments which generate billions of dollars
annually),
to permit such a simple, less costly cure.
[I believe that
either
heroin or methadone use is permitted in England where the "drug
problem"
is not near as great as what has resulted by the use of our
system
of criminalization].
As to
your question regarding the opening of Dead City Radio:
>
1) William's Welcome -- On Dead City
Radio -- What are you here for?
>
We're all here to go into space!!! --
or somesuch. Does this text
>
appear somewhere in writing that I might want to track down?
>
though
I am not with my reference material at the moment, i believe it
originates
from Brion Gysin's book entitled: The Process. If you have
access
to RE/SEARCH #4/5 it too lists the source so check there.
As to
your inquiry into Burroughs' statement:
>
2) A line without a context. Somewhere I have seen in connection or
>
quotation with William Burroughs the following line "Travel is
>
necessary, living isn't" or something like that. Any help in tracking
>
down where that might come from???
>
I will
gladly get back to you fore he made a few statements that come
to
mind, but one can be found on p. 21 of the Penguin paperback
edition
of The Job. "Navigare neccesse es. Vivare no es necesse." -
"It
is necessary to travel. It is not
necessary to live."
If you
get a chance I would be interested in seeing/obtaining a copy
of your
term-paper which you feel needs some revision:
perhaps
it is time
> as
a very long term project to begin to re-write this project from the
>
beginning
Best of
luck with your endeavor -
Jonathan
Baker
===
Jonathan
Baker
c/o
J.D. Books
P.O.
Box 10307
Kansas
City, MO. 64171-0307
U.S.A.
1-(816)-561-5702
Web:
http://www.abebooks.com/home/JDBOOK/
---RACE
--- <race@MIDUSA.NET> wrote:
>
>
Well I have my other computer set up in the bedroom writing table area
>
now. One thing I found on it was a
fairly shabby master's thesis
about
>
the language strategies of the advocates for space colonization. It
>
seems that for a number of reasons it is time to slowly begin to
>
translate the significant work i did on that project into something
that
> is
REAL!!!!
>
>
And William S. Burroughs writings are certainly an influence since
then
>
which need to be spliced into the stew.
So questions from the Gallery
>
for potential threads or backchannel replies (for the timid).
>
>
3) How does number 2 relate to WSB's
attitude towards Neal's motion
>
without purpose lifestyle? Just
opinions there -- anybody? anybody?
>
>
4) Stasis Horrors. This seems to be a biological argument by
WSB for
>
movement -- I've seen and heard of it many many times. Can folks help
> me
out with specific references.
>
>
5) Anything and everything else :)
>
> my
rather immature examination before led to a conclusion concerning
the
>
use of frontier myths and metaphors as well as science fiction and
>
fantasy themes as a means to almost hypnotize the audience into a lack
> of
interest in the technical arguments. To
me this should have been
the
>
first chapter and go from there.
Unfortunately, the adviser had other
>
notions. I have much more respect for
him now -- but I'd suggested
towards
an ending that the future of the
>
universe may only know.
>
>
Other backchannel requests:
>
>
Many of you are beginning to understand that i REALLY AM illiterate in
>
the sense of literature. I know how to
treat politics as a text,
>
foreign policy decisions as texts, and employ literary critical
tools
in
>
examining them -- often finding soap opera generes at work :)
>
> If
you can suggest backchannel things i should look into in terms of
> literature
and narrative in the following areas that relate to this
long
>
term project I'd appreciate it.
>
>
Frontier themes: I am very deep on the
philosophy and history of the
>
frontier notions of American history. I
know nothing about the
literary
>
experience.
>
>
Science fiction: About the only science
fiction I've read to date are
>
things which appear within the texts of presumably non-fiction books
>
like Gerard O'Neill's The High Frontier and the like.
>
>
Science fantasy: I understand the
distinctions here between fiction
and
>
fantasy but that is as far as I go.
>
> In
terms of suggestions -- I'd ask for notions that are:
>
>
1) Classics within these genres so to
speak (from your perspective)
>
>
2) Possibly connected to the readings
of WSB (if this is possible to
>
guess).
>
>
Any help is appreciated.
>
>
<listening to Bruce Cockburn ... mellow finding old projects never
>
completed on old computer that is now my "writing" computer.>
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
>
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IN
SOMNIA
for the fourth day
in the fourth year
up here in north country
each
autumn
i dwell in the land of
in Somnia.
in Somnia,
the rules change:
clocks run backwards
as
fast as ahead
and collide,
like two perfectly balanced arrows
two exquistely aimed arrorws
meeting in mid flight -
time
collapses.
i=92ve tried
doctors
pills!
special pillows
herbal remedies
warm milk!
relaxation, meditation
chants!
(and furtive readings from the =91self
help=92
corner of local bookstore )
hell,
i=92ve even taken to ale again
as my corner store is a
redemption center!
redemption through ales!
they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,
and my pockets of change for replacements
(hell,
i think
when abstinent,
they preyed for my redemption!)
but,
nothing changes.
Until, 72 hours into
black night slowly
inching its way to dawn,
i look out my window
and
see the first snow fall
of autumn.
i
take this as an omen
i take this as a vision
i take this as a balm,
and i thank the winds of change :
with same disease as allen
cooking in my body
at times quiescent,
other times raging,
a life line without guarrentee
a reminder of mortality,
i
suspect the gods are smiling on me
giving me more time
to store up against an early death
so charged,
writing always becomes electric,
a force of its own :
vowels
consonants
metaphors
voices
ring in
my head,
so i spend time with poets
who would rather
stay dead:
Woolfe, Sexton, Plath
(i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow
their path),
or that of ti Jean,
Kerouac :
it=92s a critical mass:
one
can drown in water, or in wine,
nothing sublime about that.
is it an affliction,
these extra hours,
dark, quiet, soft snow falling
or gift?
(these extra hours
dark, quiet, soft snow falling)
i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling
hours as the horizon point is touched by
flame
i=92m still awake
when daybreak changes snow to rain
snow washed away
in to the rain
i=92m still awake
i=92m still awake
i=92m still awake
oct 24, 97
~
mc
lately i just keep waking to anna, with thanks
lately i just keep waking alone
in the black of night
i breathe shallow i wear earphones
not to wake you
not to wake you
i breathe shallowly
3 am 4 am
mind wanders and stumbles
stuck in the valley of consciousness
black timelessness,
i don=92t
think of tomorrow, rather
merge with the blackness
listen to the burning
fire
in my ears, break free --the
passions wax in my ears,
and turning,
turn up the volume on the
sobbing stereo wailing
i make my choice
light the candle
shed my
clothes
twirl on the balls of my
feet and let
my hips find their own rhythm
scarf in hand,
flung swirls, settles
the lamp shadows cast,
i dance to my anima,
shadow cast
i ride the fiddles
in the midst of hurricane
a halcyon dance.
go away if it bothers you, in fact
please go away.
its the blackness you see
the blackness and me
everybody nobody knows about me
nobody everybody
nobody knows about me
the song
the vigil
energy
oct 29 97
~
dance
in
camplight
all
others ringed round the fire asleep
ceiling
of skies, sleepless
blanket
round shoulders
i sit
and bend towards fire
sweat
raises on shoulders
firelight
warmth
sudden
gust of cold, then icy fire
he
appears
my
wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion
if you
will, my metaphor
and the
firelight
turns
to music
sweat
raises to shoulders
and
muscles obey
running
electric alive
to all
casual eyes
i dance
alone in the desert
oh
please,
oh
please,
hear me
hear out my story
because
you were in it
alive
alive alive
you
who are
you
who are
you
my
angst
my
well
chosen adversary
my
brother
my
killer
life
giver
who
and why
then crave i sleep
the
question
so
easily cicles
chasing
me all around leading me all around in circles
dream
on
~~~
in
dreamless nights
10/30
in
dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands
-the
freedom
-the
altitiude
-my
shadow cast on the capes
windspread wide and proud.
i no
longer dream of flying,
i no longer dream at all.
(I hail
from the country of In Somnia
I=92m
only here to gather some ingredients:
bane of
darkness
wort of
light
bones
of a robin)
[the
condescending smile of an eye
as i beg for help,
condescending
incomprehending eye]
so
rejected,
i
choose to stop such public presentations
i
choose to live here in my palace,
peopled
by imagination.
who is
to say which is which?
the
corporeal or the ethereal?
i dwell
on this laid awake for so many of my days
stricken
by fear of wrong choice of audience
(audience
needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)
dream
weavers, you would no longer
be the
hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,
dream
weavers you would have to be here
you
would weave my passage with my message :
i see
you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn
by
desperations,
i see
you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,
feel
me,
i=92m
in your pocket
i=92m
here;
you
awaken....
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Marie,
i think
you broke my personal record for insomnia this stint and i must
smile
that you also produced such a lovely chronicle of the experience.=20
it is
definitely not in my quick delete file -- it is in my sweet marie
save
file
hope
that any brainstorms which came and went are calming for you.
david
rhaesa
Marie
Countryman wrote:
>=20
> IN
SOMNIA
>=20
> for the fourth day
> in the fourth year
> up here in north country
>
each autumn
> i dwell in the land of
> in Somnia.
>=20
> in Somnia,
> the rules change:
> clocks run backwards
> as
> fast as ahead
> and collide,
> like two perfectly balanced arrows
> two exquistely aimed arrorws
> meeting in mid flight -
>=20
>
time
> collapses.
>=20
> i=92ve tried
> doctors
> pills!
> special pillows
> herbal remedies
> warm milk!
> relaxation, meditation
> chants!
> (and furtive readings from the =91self
help=92
> corner of local bookstore )
>=20
> hell,
> i=92ve even taken to ale again
> as my corner store is a
> redemption center!
>=20
> redemption through ales!
> they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,
> and my pockets of change for replacements
> (hell,
> i think
when abstinent,
> they preyed for my redemption!)
>=20
> but,
> nothing changes.
> Until, 72 hours into
> black night slowly
> inching its way to dawn,
> i look out my window
> and
> see the first snow fall
> of autumn.
> i take this as an omen
> i take this as a vision
> i take this as a balm,
> and i thank the winds of change :
>=20
> with same disease as allen
> cooking in my body
> at times quiescent,
> other times raging,
> a life line without guarrentee
> a reminder of mortality,
>=20
> i
> suspect the gods are smiling on me
> giving me more time
> to store up against an early death
>=20
> so charged,
> writing always becomes electric,
> a force of its own :
> vowels
> consonants
> metaphors
> voices
>
ring in my head,
>=20
> so i spend time with poets
> who would rather
> stay dead:
>=20
> Woolfe, Sexton, Plath
> (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow
their path),
>=20
> or that of ti Jean,
> Kerouac :
> it=92s a critical mass:
> one can drown in water, or in wine,
> nothing sublime about that.
>=20
> is it an affliction,
> these extra hours,
> dark, quiet, soft snow falling
>=20
> or gift?
> (these extra hours
> dark, quiet, soft snow falling)
>=20
> i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling
> hours as the horizon point is touched by
flame
>=20
> i=92m still awake
> when daybreak changes snow to rain
> snow washed away
> in to the rain
>=20
> i=92m still awake
>=20
> i=92m still awake
>=20
> i=92m still awake
> oct 24, 97
> ~
> mc
>=20
> lately i just keep waking to anna, with thanks
>=20
> lately i just keep waking alone
> in the black of night
> i breathe shallow i wear earphones
> not to wake you
>=20
> not to wake you
> i breathe shallowly
> 3 am 4 am
> mind wanders and stumbles
> stuck in the valley of consciousness
> black timelessness,
> i don=92t
> think of tomorrow, rather
> merge with the blackness
> listen to the burning
> fire
> in my ears, break free --the
passions wax in my ears,
> and turning,
> turn up the volume on the
> sobbing stereo wailing
> i make my choice
> light the candle
> shed my
> clothes
> twirl on the balls of my
> feet and let
> my hips find their own rhythm
> scarf in hand,
> flung swirls, settles
> the lamp shadows cast,
> i dance to my anima,
> shadow cast
> i ride the fiddles
> in the midst of hurricane
> a halcyon dance.
>=20
> go away if it bothers you, in fact
> please go away.
> its the blackness you see
> the blackness and me
> everybody nobody knows about me
> nobody everybody
> nobody knows about me
> the song
> the vigil
> energy
>=20
> oct 29 97
> ~
>
dance
>=20
> in
camplight
>
all others ringed round the fire asleep
>
ceiling of skies, sleepless
>=20
>
blanket round shoulders
> i
sit and bend towards fire
>
sweat raises on shoulders
>
firelight warmth
>
sudden gust of cold, then icy fire
> he
appears
> my
wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion
> if
you will, my metaphor
>=20
>
and the firelight
>
turns to music
>
sweat raises to shoulders
>
and muscles obey
>=20
>
running electric alive
> to
all casual eyes
> i
dance alone in the desert
>=20
> oh
please,
> oh
please,
>
hear me hear out my story
>
because you were in it
>
alive alive alive
>
you
>
who are you
>
who are you
> my
>
angst
> my
>
well chosen adversary
> my
brother
> my
killer
>
life giver
>
who
>=20
>
and why then crave i sleep
>
the question
> so
easily cicles
>
chasing me all around leading me all around in circles
>
dream on
>
~~~
> in
dreamless nights
>
10/30
>=20
> in
dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands
>
-the freedom
>
-the altitiude
>
-my shadow cast on the capes
> windspread wide and proud.
>=20
> i
no longer dream of flying,
> i no longer dream at all.
>=20
> (I
hail from the country of In Somnia
>
I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:
>
bane of darkness
>
wort of light
>
bones of a robin)
>=20
>
[the condescending smile of an eye
> as i beg for help,
>
condescending incomprehending eye]
>=20
> so
rejected,
> i
choose to stop such public presentations
> i
choose to live here in my palace,
>
peopled by imagination.
>
who is to say which is which?
>
the corporeal or the ethereal?
>=20
> i
dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days
>
stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience
> (audience
needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)
>
dream weavers, you would no longer
> be
the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,
>=20
>
dream weavers you would have to be here
>
you would weave my passage with my message :
>=20
> i
see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn
> by
desperations,
> i
see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,
>
feel me,
>
i=92m in your pocket
>
i=92m here;
>
you awaken....
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On Thu,
30 Oct 1997, J.D. Books wrote:
>
Take for example a publication such as Newsweek - by the time
> it
reaches the stands, it full of the "news" events from both the
>
previous week but also sets the tone for what's to come. By creating
>
and deciding what is news worthy - they and other media outlets can
>
later follow up and give life to these "created" articles.
On a
spoken-word tape of his, Alan Watts had a little anecdote that I think
is the
same principle. The way we are conditioned to look at life is that we
are
constantly being pushed into the future, with little or no say in the
matter
-- wherever we are going is apparent by what has already happened.
Newsweek
etc. are proponents of this viewpoint, because they set the tone
for
what is to come. Alternately, he said, one could turn this thinking
around
by focusing on the present moment: that what is going on right now
determines
where we have been and what has already happened. No deciding the
future.
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give me
ma due and try adn tape it. i am developing performance pieces mayself
marie
Marlene
Giraud wrote:
>
moving marie...i simply love it. sounds like an excellent performance pice.
>
BTW, i'm a performing poet, and i wondered if you'd mind if i performed your
>
piece at a local coffeehouse here in south florida. i'll let them know the
>
piece isn't mine. do you mind? i just love this piece. Its stirring.
>
~~Marlene
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thdnks
dave i think my brain is on fire this time, i think i broke new
ground.
and yeah, i've broken new psychosomatic grounds i go in for serie=
s
of
tests tomorrow nervous ssystem is firing at will zippin and zappin me.
i take
a small pharmacy to get to sleep. hour or so. wowza.
RACE
--- wrote:
>
Marie,
>
> i
think you broke my personal record for insomnia this stint and i must
>
smile that you also produced such a lovely chronicle of the experience.
>
> it
is definitely not in my quick delete file -- it is in my sweet marie
>
save file
>
>
hope that any brainstorms which came and went are calming for you.
>
>
david rhaesa
>
>
Marie Countryman wrote:
>
>
>
> IN SOMNIA
>
>
>
> for the fourth day
>
> in the fourth year
>
> up here in north country
>
> each autumn
>
> i dwell in the land of
>
> in Somnia.
>
>
>
> in Somnia,
>
> the rules change:
>
> clocks run backwards
>
> as
>
> fast as ahead
>
> and collide,
>
> like two perfectly balanced
arrows
>
> two exquistely aimed arrorws
>
> meeting in mid flight -
>
>
>
> time
>
> collapses.
>
>
>
> i=92ve tried
>
> doctors
>
> pills!
>
> special pillows
>
> herbal remedies
>
> warm milk!
>
> relaxation, meditation
>
> chants!
>
> (and furtive readings from the
=91self help=92
>
> corner of local bookstore )
>
>
>
> hell,
>
> i=92ve even taken to ale again
>
> as my corner store is a
>
> redemption center!
>
>
>
> redemption through ales!
>
> they=92ve told me they miss my
bottles,
>
> and my pockets of change for
replacements
>
> (hell,
>
> i think when abstinent,
>
> they preyed for my redemption!)
>
>
>
> but,
>
> nothing changes.
>
> Until, 72 hours into
>
> black night slowly
>
> inching its way to dawn,
>
> i look out my window
>
> and
>
> see the first snow fall
>
> of autumn.
>
> i take this as an omen
>
> i take this as a vision
>
> i take this as a balm,
>
> and i thank the winds of change
:
>
>
>
> with same disease as allen
>
> cooking in my body
>
> at times quiescent,
>
> other times raging,
>
> a life line without guarrentee
>
> a reminder of mortality,
>
>
>
> i
>
> suspect the gods are smiling on
me
>
> giving me more time
>
> to store up against an early
death
>
>
>
> so charged,
>
> writing always becomes electric,
>
> a force of its own :
>
> vowels
>
> consonants
>
> metaphors
>
> voices
>
> ring in my head,
>
>
>
> so i spend time with poets
>
> who would rather
>
> stay dead:
>
>
>
> Woolfe, Sexton, Plath
>
> (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d
follow their path),
>
>
>
> or that of ti Jean,
>
> Kerouac :
>
> it=92s a critical mass:
>
> one can drown in water, or in
wine,
>
> nothing sublime about that.
>
>
>
> is it an affliction,
>
> these extra hours,
>
> dark, quiet, soft snow falling
>
>
>
> or gift?
>
> (these extra hours
>
> dark, quiet, soft snow falling)
>
>
>
> i wonder in the dark, quiet,
snow falling
>
> hours as the horizon point is
touched by flame
>
>
>
> i=92m still awake
>
> when daybreak changes snow to
rain
>
> snow washed away
>
> in to the rain
>
>
>
> i=92m still awake
>
>
>
> i=92m still awake
>
>
>
> i=92m still awake
>
> oct 24, 97
>
> ~
>
> mc
>
>
>
> lately i just keep waking to anna, with thanks
>
>
>
> lately i just keep waking alone
>
> in the black of night
>
> i breathe shallow i wear
earphones
>
> not to wake you
>
>
>
> not to wake you
>
> i breathe shallowly
>
> 3 am 4 am
>
> mind wanders and stumbles
>
> stuck in the valley of
consciousness
>
> black timelessness,
>
> i don=92t
>
> think of tomorrow, rather
>
> merge with the blackness
>
> listen to the burning
>
> fire
>
> in my ears, break free --the passions wax in my ears,
>
> and turning,
>
> turn up the volume on the
>
> sobbing stereo wailing
>
> i make my choice
>
> light the candle
>
> shed my
>
> clothes
>
> twirl on the balls of my
>
> feet and let
>
> my hips find their own rhythm
>
> scarf in hand,
>
> flung swirls, settles
>
> the lamp shadows cast,
>
> i dance to my anima,
>
> shadow cast
>
> i ride the fiddles
>
> in the midst of hurricane
>
> a halcyon dance.
>
>
>
> go away if it bothers you, in
fact
>
> please go away.
>
> its the blackness you see
>
> the blackness and me
> > everybody nobody knows about me
>
> nobody everybody
>
> nobody knows about me
>
> the song
>
> the vigil
>
> energy
>
>
>
> oct 29 97
>
> ~
>
> dance
>
>
>
> in camplight
>
> all others ringed round the fire asleep
>
> ceiling of skies, sleepless
>
>
>
> blanket round shoulders
>
> i sit and bend towards fire
>
> sweat raises on shoulders
>
> firelight warmth
>
> sudden gust of cold, then icy fire
>
> he appears
>
> my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion
>
> if you will, my metaphor
>
>
>
> and the firelight
>
> turns to music
>
> sweat raises to shoulders
>
> and muscles obey
>
>
>
> running electric alive
>
> to all casual eyes
>
> i dance alone in the desert
>
>
>
> oh please,
>
> oh please,
>
> hear me hear out my story
>
> because you were in it
>
> alive alive alive
>
> you
>
> who are you
>
> who are you
>
> my
>
> angst
>
> my
>
> well chosen adversary
>
> my brother
>
> my killer
>
> life giver
>
> who
>
>
>
> and why then crave i sleep
>
> the question
>
> so easily cicles
>
> chasing me all around leading me all around in circles
>
> dream on
>
> ~~~
>
> in dreamless nights
>
> 10/30
>
>
>
> in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands
>
> -the freedom
>
> -the altitiude
>
> -my shadow cast on the capes
>
> windspread wide and proud.
>
>
>
> i no longer dream of flying,
>
> i no longer dream at all.
>
>
>
> (I hail from the country of In Somnia
>
> I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:
>
> bane of darkness
>
> wort of light
>
> bones of a robin)
>
>
>
> [the condescending smile of an eye
>
> as i beg for help,
>
> condescending incomprehending eye]
>
>
>
> so rejected,
>
> i choose to stop such public presentations
>
> i choose to live here in my palace,
>
> peopled by imagination.
>
> who is to say which is which?
>
> the corporeal or the ethereal?
>
>
>
> i dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days
>
> stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience
>
> (audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)
>
> dream weavers, you would no longer
>
> be the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,
>
>
>
> dream weavers you would have to be here
>
> you would weave my passage with my message :
>
>
>
> i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn
>
> by desperations,
>
> i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,
>
> feel me,
>
> i=92m in your pocket
>
> i=92m here;
>
> you awaken....
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Marie
Countryman wrote:
>=20
> IN
SOMNIA
>=20
> for the fourth day
> in the fourth year
> up here in north country
>
each autumn
> i dwell in the land of
> in Somnia.
>=20
> in Somnia,
> the rules change:
> clocks run backwards
> as
> fast as ahead
> and collide,
> like two perfectly balanced arrows
> two exquistely aimed arrorws
> meeting in mid flight -
>=20
>
time
> collapses.
>=20
> i=92ve tried
> doctors
> pills!
> special pillows
> herbal remedies
> warm milk!
> relaxation, meditation
> chants!
> (and furtive readings from the =91self
help=92
> corner of local bookstore )
>=20
> hell,
> i=92ve even taken to ale again
> as my corner store is a
> redemption center!
>=20
> redemption through ales!
> they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,
> and my pockets of change for replacements
> (hell,
> i think
when abstinent,
> they preyed for my redemption!)
>=20
> but,
> nothing changes.
> Until, 72 hours into
> black night slowly
> inching its way to dawn,
> i look out my window
> and
> see the first snow fall
> of autumn.
> i take this as an omen
> i take this as a vision
> i take this as a balm,
> and i thank the winds of change :
>=20
> with same disease as allen
> cooking in my body
> at times quiescent,
> other times raging,
> a life line without guarrentee
> a reminder of mortality,
>=20
> i
> suspect the gods are smiling on me
> giving me more time
> to store up against an early death
>=20
> so charged,
> writing always becomes electric,
> a force of its own :
> vowels
> consonants
> metaphors
> voices
>
ring in my head,
>=20
> so i spend time with poets
> who would rather
> stay dead:
>=20
> Woolfe, Sexton, Plath
> (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow
their path),
>=20
> or that of ti Jean,
> Kerouac :
> it=92s a critical mass:
> one can drown in water, or in wine,
> nothing sublime about that.
>=20
> is it an affliction,
> these extra hours,
> dark, quiet, soft snow falling
>=20
> or gift?
> (these extra hours
> dark, quiet, soft snow falling)
>=20
> i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling
> hours as the horizon point is touched by
flame
>=20
> i=92m still awake
> when daybreak changes snow to rain
> snow washed away
> in to the rain
>=20
> i=92m still awake
>=20
> i=92m still awake
>=20
> i=92m still awake
> oct 24, 97
> ~
> mc
>=20
> lately i just keep waking to anna, with thanks
>=20
> lately i just keep waking alone
> in the black of night
> i breathe shallow i wear earphones
> not to wake you
>=20
> not to wake you
> i breathe shallowly
> 3 am 4 am
> mind wanders and stumbles
> stuck in the valley of consciousness
> black timelessness,
> i don=92t
> think of tomorrow, rather
> merge with the blackness
> listen to the burning
> fire
> in my ears, break free --the
passions wax in my ears,
> and turning,
> turn up the volume on the
> sobbing stereo wailing
> i make my choice
> light the candle
> shed my
> clothes
> twirl on the balls of my
> feet and let
> my hips find their own rhythm
> scarf in hand,
> flung swirls, settles
> the lamp shadows cast,
> i dance to my anima,
> shadow cast
> i ride the fiddles
> in the midst of hurricane
> a halcyon dance.
>=20
> go away if it bothers you, in fact
> please go away.
> its the blackness you see
> the blackness and me
> everybody nobody knows about me
> nobody everybody
> nobody knows about me
> the song
> the vigil
> energy
>=20
> oct 29 97
> ~
>
dance
>=20
> in
camplight
>
all others ringed round the fire asleep
>
ceiling of skies, sleepless
>=20
>
blanket round shoulders
> i
sit and bend towards fire
>
sweat raises on shoulders
>
firelight warmth
>
sudden gust of cold, then icy fire
> he
appears
> my
wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion
> if
you will, my metaphor
>=20
>
and the firelight
>
turns to music
>
sweat raises to shoulders
>
and muscles obey
>=20
> running
electric alive
> to
all casual eyes
> i
dance alone in the desert
>=20
> oh
please,
> oh
please,
>
hear me hear out my story
>
because you were in it
>
alive alive alive
>
you
>
who are you
>
who are you
> my
>
angst
> my
>
well chosen adversary
> my
brother
> my
killer
>
life giver
>
who
>=20
>
and why then crave i sleep
>
the question
> so
easily cicles
>
chasing me all around leading me all around in circles
>
dream on
>
~~~
> in
dreamless nights
>
10/30
>=20
> in
dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands
>
-the freedom
>
-the altitiude
>
-my shadow cast on the capes
> windspread wide and proud.
>=20
> i
no longer dream of flying,
> i no longer dream at all.
>=20
> (I
hail from the country of In Somnia
>
I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:
>
bane of darkness
>
wort of light
>
bones of a robin)
>=20
>
[the condescending smile of an eye
> as i beg for help,
>
condescending incomprehending eye]
>=20
> so
rejected,
> i
choose to stop such public presentations
> i
choose to live here in my palace,
>
peopled by imagination.
>
who is to say which is which?
>
the corporeal or the ethereal?
>=20
> i
dwell on this laid awake for so many of my days
>
stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience
>
(audience needed to make alive the writer here self immolated)
>
dream weavers, you would no longer
> be
the hackneyed american paen to native blood guilt,
>=20
>
dream weavers you would have to be here
>
you would weave my passage with my message :
>=20
> i
see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn
> by
desperations,
> i
see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,
>
feel me,
>
i=92m in your pocket
>
i=92m here;
>
you awaken....
marie i
was inspired to find my tape of your table readings and put it
in the
deck. I'm in the Lefty's right now
which are still maybe my
favourites
- although these insomnia poems might be close.
of
course other causes of insomnia=20
Sleepless
Nights
2-24-94
6:13 am
shoney's bettendorf ia
Insomnia
What is
the cause?
A
disease of brain chemistry
OR
the
chanting sounds
of the
moans and snores
of a
dear person=20
nearby?
6:14 am
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I
received the following message this week from Stephen Ronan of Beat
Books:
"For
an interesting read with an unexpected WSB appearance, check out the
current
(OCT) issue of Harper's---the main feature about driving Einstein's
brain
cross country."
Has
anyone seen this piece?
Jym
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At
09:48 AM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote:
>At
09:41 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Phil Chaput wrote:
>
Wouldn't that lead a jury to believe that the lawsuit is
>>bogus
and made up just to find a way to stop the estate from selling items
>>that
they legally owned.
>
>Dear
Phil, Maher, Gyenis & Company:
>
> FRANKLY I AM GETTING DAMN TIRED OF
YOUR INSINUATIONS EVERY DAMN DAY
>THAT
I AM A CROOK AND THAT JAN IS A CROOK AND/OR THAT I PUT HER UP TO A
>"BOGUS
LAWSUIT."
> The lawsuit was based on several key
pieces of evidence, which
included:
> 1) the report by New ENgland Legal
Investigations, one of the best
>handwriting
analysis firms in the country, used extensively by the fed
>govt.,
that Gabrielle Kerouac's signature is "an obvious forgery"; and
> 2) two sworn depositions by the one
living "witness" to the will,
>CLifford
Larkin, that he never actually saw Gabrielle sign the will, in fact
>he
never in his life even saw her move either of her hands.
> That kind of evidence would be enough
for me or anyone else to
>conclude
their grandmother's will was probably forged.
> If you have evidence that I put Jan up
to a "bogus lawsuit," please
>let
us know what this evidence is.
Otherwise I will conclude you and your
>friends
are malicious slanderers. Or maybe
YOU'RE just a bunch of crooks.
> Not saying you are, but how do YOU
like getting called a crook for a
>change?
> Your father's friend, Gerry Nicosia
>I
saw, at John Sampas' house, that piece of supposed evidence (Gabrielle
Kerouac's
will) was in fact signed by two (2) witnesses and signed by each.
Clifford
Larkin and Norman Barraby. The only way this would have been
accepted
as such by the Deputy Clerk (who swore to this in a deposition
given
to her years later) was that it was an actual witnessing of the person
who
signed the will.There is no mystery here. The mystery of it all was how
it was
miraculously atop a pile of papers on Gerald Nicosia's kitchen table
and all
of a sudden "looked strange" to Jan Kerouac. How,(and I posed this
question
on the Beat-L before but was never answered) does an elderly woman
who has
had a stroke leaving her partially paralyzed, not sign her signature
in her
hand in a way that isn't strange? Though the sig doesn't look strange
in the
least. Maybe a little shaky....what led Jan Kerouac to this
conclusion?
In her deposition,
(a
public document by the way)she concludes that her collection of legal
documents
and such (from royalties and miscellanea)helped shape her conclusion.
Now,
the strategically placed document atop a pile of other papers is the
defining
factor of things to come...maybe Mr. Nicosia could inform us (if he
chooses)
why the scenario was the way Jan Kerouac described in her
deposition....Love
always, Paul....
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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I am
trying to get a copy of "Allen Ginsberg and Friends," a video that
aired
on WNET on 10/30/71. Can anybody
help? I have videos to trade in
case
you have it and are interested.
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Phil
Chaput wrote:
>
This is not a flame and I am not trying to insult anyone but
>
Bentz I am curious, as a lawyer could you answer a few questions? Gerry
>
posted this a while back. This is a direct quote.
Phil:
If a
lawyer is going to give a legal opinion, he has to have the appropriate
documents
and issues before him. He also has to
be familiar with the law of
the
jurisdiction. I have tried to avoid
being a lawyer on this or any other
mail
list. I have heard some of Gerry's side
of things. I invite John Sampas
to the
list to tell his side. I have lay
opinons, but not really on the issues
you
have raised. My experience is that motivation is something that is internal
to the
actor. I have had cases where my client
was in the wrong but had
nothing but good intentions and motivations. I have been in situations where,
in my
opinion, my client had terrible motives to the point of disgusting me
personally,
but was legally in the right. Personally,
I have found the fees to
be
better with the latter and the ability to feel good about helping someone to
be
better with the former. So, how do you
judge or give opinions on things
that
spring forth internally.
With
regard to Gerry/Jan's law suits, he may have the best possible motives,
but if
the law and facts are against him, he will lose, etc. It seems to me
that he
ought to win in NM because an executor should not be allowed to
discharge
a literary executor. Their realms
should be kept separate and
apart. That is the reason for it all. So, he should win. The other suit
should
depend on questions of handwriting analysis.
The experts can post all
sorts
of opinions.
Judges
are very human. They are persuaded like
anyone else. Who knows where
that
ends up.
And in
the end, I am not going to go onto the list and open myself to being
asked
to pass legally on situations involving list members' law suits. When I
throw
out my opinion, I want it to be my opinion, not a legal opinion. So, I
am
going to withold any opinion and also state, that right now, I have no
opinion
on the Fla suit or the "truth" as I do not have the facts, documents,
etc
before me. And to be honest, I usually
try my own client first more
severely
than a judge or jury will to help me understand.
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Its
over, "relax"....
Keith
:)
>OH
JESUS!
>here
we go again....personally i enjoy the poets on the list and for
the
>chance
to post any of my poetry. simmer down, you all. Really.... this
list
>needs
a mom, to control all the outbursts. relax people....let it
go.....
>
>~~Marlene
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:06:39 -0500
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My six year old son sits cross-legged,
chants OM while staring at
Yantra
from inside jacket of Moody Blues' "In Search of the Lost Chord"
playing
on the stereo. Eight minutes, next to wood cookstove, somewhere
else.
He comes back, I ask him what he saw, what he thought. "Just near the
end I
saw a covered wagon going through the mountains." The journey,
traveling
beyond barriers, crossing the wild frontier. Kerosene lamps
spread
a soft glow on the interior of the mobile home, wood cookstove
spreads
gentle warmth. I gaze into the dark window, see a dark indistinct
shape
gazing back. Nearing fifty, I think back to the city, my younger
days,
some far distant existence. No way could I ever have imagined then
where I
am now. I think of Kerouac, Ginsberg, Snyder, Corso, Burroughs,
realize
they are the same generation as my parents. I am not my parents'
child.
There is another birth that occurred other than coming out from the
womb.
Another segment of that generation that claimed me, years later, as
its
progeny. My young son is now sleeping soundly in his room. The record
player
sits silent. I wonder who my son will claim as his parents? The
single
kerosene lamp behind me reflects as two lamps in the window. If I
turn
just so, the two images meld into each other, become one.
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Thanks
to Patricia, MC and Marlene for this frenzied outburst of
wonderful
poetry to lead us to All Hallows Eve.
It is gratifying.
David R
has posted a good new poem on the new beat site sponsered by
Keith. Is it something in the air? Rinaldo continues to post
interesting
works by himself and others. Sean Young
has posted at least
two
fine poems. I hope we realize how we
are blessed here.
--
Peace,
Bentz
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P:
Thanks
for the pictures.
--
Peace,
Bentz
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At
08:11 AM 10/28/97 -0500, Mark Hemenway wrote:. Between
>Dharma
beat and the Kerouac Quarterly, many of the Kerouac things in the
>NY
Public Library and I think the infamous Lowell Collection have been
>have
been listed.
>
>For
those who are unfamiliar with the NY Public Library, the Berg
>Collection
is a division of the library. It's not like the OTR scroll is
>sitting
on a shelf in the stacks or in a filing cabinet on 42nd Street.
>The
Berg is a major archival collection of original literary material.
Oct 30,
1997
Two
corrections to M. Hemenway:
Mr.
Hemenway's publication DHARMA BEAT never listed the existence of the
MEMORY
BABE archive, which is right under his nose at U Mass, Lowell. I
sent
him a couple of letters complaining about his oversight, since he
listed
every other major archive in the country.
There is more material on
Jack
Kerouac in the MEMORY BABE archive at U MASS Lowell than in any other
archive
in the world, and there is more actual writing BY Jack Kerouac than
you can
find anywhere except the Berg Collection at the NY Public Library.
Mr.
Hemenway ignored my letters pointing out his oversight.
Mr.
HEMENWAY is wrong, the ON THE ROAD scroll is not owned by the New York
Public
Library, nor is it available for study there.
It was briefly housed
in a
glass showcase there, as a temporary exhibit, which saved Mr. Sampas
storage
fees.
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At
07:54 PM 10/30/97 -0500, Paul Maher wrote:.
>Now,
the strategically placed document atop a pile of other papers is the
>defining
factor of things to come...maybe Mr. Nicosia could inform us (if he
>chooses)
why the scenario was the way Jan Kerouac described in her
>deposition....Love
always, Paul....
Oct
30, 1997
There was no "strategically
placed document." Rod Anstee had
sent
me a
copy of Gabrielle Kerouac's will a few weeks earlier. He probably got
it from
Mr. Sampas when they were having tea together.
Since Jan and lawyer
Tom
Brill were meeting at my house, it was natural that they would want to
take a
look at the will.
My story was told in detail to Mr.
Sampas's lawyer two and one half
years
ago. The deposition is in Mr. Sampas's
house. I'm surprised he
hasn't
shown it to you. Perhaps he doesn't
trust you.
LET ME SAY THIS--if I had conspired in
any way to push Jan Kerouac,
trick,
coerce or coax her to file a "bogus lawsuit" against the Sampases,
Mr.
Sampas would have the evidence in his hand right now. And he'd have you
and Mr.
Chaput waving it in everyone's faces.
HOW SO?
Because John Lash illegally locked up
Jan Kerouac's entire apartment
full of
papers and files after she died. Those
papers should have gone
directly
to me as her literary executor. Instead
I had to battle in court
to get
them. Mr. Lash's lawyers finally sent
them to me last June, after
being
confronted with a court order compelling them to do so.
So Mr. Lash's lawyers had a full year to pore over those
papers,
Jan's
correspondence, etc., which included nearly 100 letters from me,
Gerald
Nicosia. Mr. LASH'S LAWYERS WENT THRU
THOSE PAPERS WITH MINUTE
SCRUTINY. And since they are working closely with Mr.
Sampas's lawyers, YOU
CAN BET
IF THEY HAD FOUND SOMETHING INCRIMINATING, THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY
HAVE
TURNED IT OVER TO MR. SAMPAS.
You know what? They couldn't find anything, even in my 100
letters
to Jan,
or in her notes about our relationship, that indicated I had forced
or
cajoled her to file a lawsuit. Not one
thing Mr. Sampas could use
against
me.
So where's the smoking gun, Paul? I'm still waiting.
Best always, Gerry Nicosia
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At
05:18 PM 10/27/97 -0500, Paul Maher wrote:
>Since
this seems to be the one quote used incessantly, I quote from a
>notebook
of Jack Kerouac's which, in my opinion, strikes me as being just as
>valid
as anything mentioned from you in the same vein....
>
> "may God make me a millionaire someday
so I wont lend or leave anything to
>any
Blakes."
Oct 30, 1997
Paul,
I find this very difficult to
accept. Jack's sister was a
Blake--she
died a Blake, since though her husband had left her, they were
never
formally divorced. She was Caroline
Blake. Her son Little Paul was
also a
Blake: Paul Blake, Jr. Jack and Memere
loved Caroline dearly, and
both of
them went into a severe depression when she died. There are letters
that
attest to this, including letters they both wrote to Stanley
Twardowicz. Jack's love for Lil Paul is quite clear in
THE DHARMA BUMS,
where
he calls him Little Luke. I cannot
believe he would say such a
hateful
thing about them.
It's true Jack didn't like Nin's
husband, Paul senior, because he
had
borrowed five thousand dollars from Jack and never repaid it; then, too,
he
cheated on Nin and left her. But that
would hardly make Jack and Memere
turn
against Caroline and her son Little Paul.
I question the accuracy of your
quotation. Where can we see a
facsimile
of this passage in Jack's own handwriting?
Can you post it on
your
website? It would be especially
important to have some of the context
around
it.
Respectfully, Gerald Nicosia
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From: Sherri
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Subject: Re: Speaking of Poets... (one more just
for fun)
John -
these Gilligan poems are FABULOUS!!!
both wonderful and hilarious. do
write
anything of a more "serious" nature?
ciao, sherri
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Patrica,
The
photos are wonderful. The one of you,
david and charles, and a few
others
were not loading for me tonight--I'll try again.
James
Stauffer
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Has
anybody yet read the latest timothy leary book, the one that deals
with
his death???
i
haven't got up the guts to get it yet.
cathy
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Thanks
very much Patricia. Do you know or remember what it is at the extreme
left on
top of William's bookcase? Is it a CD jewelcase...? ...or a
collage
of some kind?
Antoine
>http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
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Excellent
final picture of William and the picture of
Charlie also...would
be
great to see the ones of he and Billy together ...seems to be strong
family
resemblance. And no better picture of the beautiful Lena and P? Thes
will be
sure to make us all regret not being there and never visiting!
It looks like the naming of the files
is what's causing the load
problem.
Antoine
>http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
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Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>
>
Thanks very much Patricia. Do you know or remember what it is at the extreme
>
left on top of William's bookcase? Is it a CD jewelcase...? ...or a
>
collage of some kind?
>
> Antoine
>
>
>http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html
>
>
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>
cease to be amused."
I
believe it is a collage, but i will try to check it out, i am sure
that
james is leaving everything, such as that, as it was.
. you
are correct about how i misnamed the files, i need to rename
them..
my good puter wizard took a large bunch of pictures and in a week
or so i
will be able to add them. He is out of
town for 4 to 5 days at
a
time. I am very poor at this stuff.
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:45:30 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Subject: petite beat, lena,
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From: Sherri
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Subject: Viper
Comments:
cc: rico <UNIR1@classic.msn.com>, Doug Penn <dkpenn@oees.com>,
CVEditions@aol.com,
beach@qconline.com
The
Viper
Insidious
-
so
deceptive -
smoothe,
beautiful
in its
sensuous grace
Which
hides its
malevolent
intent,
the
snake glides
caressingly
along
its
unwitting prey.
The
weak and the
innocent
(and
the fools)
are
lulled by
the
viper's flitting,
forked
tongue.
Beware
sweet
innocents
-
lest,
in your
naivete,
the
viper surround you -
crushing
-
only to
swallow you whole...
Angel,
I will
be
vigilant
at your
side
should
danger approach
I will
be there-
never
resting -
watching
without ceasing
Little
love -
I shall
never let
my eyes
be deluded
by the
treacherous snake.
You
will be safe
so long
as I have breath -
and my
love
will
transcend
all
time, space,
dimension.
~sls 10/20/95
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Subject: Re: petite beat, lena,
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beautiful
petite individualist! mc
Patricia
Elliott wrote:
> [Image]
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
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James
Stauffer wrote:
>
>
Donald,
>
>
I'd agree. Not a bad book.
Read it
yesterday at the terminal and will probably read it at filling
station
on Sunday again. I enjoyed the amount
of information about
Welch's
methods which made it into the work. I
was a bit taken by the
actuality
(not the potentiality - it is always there) of the ending. It
will
help in re-reading to know where it ends.
Certainly not the sort of things that have
>
been done on JK. I like the book,
although I feel it is really limited
> by
not citing source material. From any
sort of selfish scholarly point
> of
view that is frustrating.
For me,
especially the source material would be interesting as
possibilities
for further examination. There were
places where I was
saying
to myself YES YES YES ... and would have loved to see someplace
else to
connect these notions with.
Good
book as an "appreciation" or whatever
> of
Lew.
made
for a very fast first read. second read
will take a little longer
and may
end in a post.
A real
literary biography has yet to be done.
perhaps
someone here can do this. just a
thought.
>
> J.
Stauffer
>
>
Donald G. Jr. Lee wrote:
>
>
>
> Just casting my vote for GENESIS ANGELS.
Great book, interior/subjective
>
> look at that great poet; I have a postcard somewhere from Saroyan saying
>
> he tried it straight, writing it as a "regular" biography, and
that it
>
> just didn't work, so he wrote it again "Beat" style (my
adjective).
>
> Though literally a small book, it's pretty terrific.
would
love to get hands on the original version too!!!! It might be a
slower
read, less fluid, but the contrast might be illuminating.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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James
Stauffer wrote:
>
>
David,
>
> To
get the image to work, just envision the brightness of the campfire,
>
which makes the surrounding darkness deeper and even more unknown.
>
Sounds out there. Animals moving
around. The Other.
>
> J.
Stauffer
>
>
RACE --- wrote:
>
>
>
> How Poetry Comes to Me
>
>
>
> It comes blundering over the
>
> Boulders at night, it stays
>
> Frightened outside the
>
> Range of my campfire
>
> I go to meet it at the
>
> Edge of the light.
>
>
>
> -- Gary Snyder
>
> from No Nature
>
>
>
> I'll need help with this one. Not
being exactly an "outdoorsman", i can
>
> only try to comprehend GS here by analogy. The best I get is some local
>
> parks for a literal understanding of what he's saying.
>
>
>
> david rhaesa
>
> salina, Kansas
thanks
to all participating in the Snyder and Welch conversations. I am
personally
learning so much. The 10 post limit and
another thread going
keeps
me from always taking everything in terms of response -- but i am
reading
all and taking to heart. The notions of
Snyder on the two As
for
Poets were very powerful for me -- hence the postings. My next
phase
in addition to re-reading Genesis Angels will be trying to snip
out
notions of Lew Welch's method from that book.
Thanks so much for
all of
your insights here.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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There is a portion of a film interview of
GS on The Kerouac ROMnibus;
it has Snyder stating that, while Jack
got the general gist of the
"adventure" correct, that
Snyder didn't recognize all of the
attributes of Japhy as himself. I don't remember much of the
specifics of the interview (have to watch
it again tonight). The
funny comment Snyder makes (and he was a
master of the soundbite long
before they ever existed) is that he
wished Jack had told his audience
to wrap their sleeping bags tighter since
Snyder was tired of seeing
on the hitchhikers on the road with their
unrolling bags dragging
behind them.
just my tuppence.
love and lilies,
matt h.
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Date: 10/30/97 12:48 PM
I seem
to remember that Gary pronounced Kerouac's portrayal of him in
Dharma
Bums as pretty accurate and was agreeable about the whole thing.
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From: Neil Hennessy
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On Thu,
30 Oct 1997, Jym Mooney wrote:
> I
received the following message this week from Stephen Ronan of Beat
>
Books:
>
>
"For an interesting read with an unexpected WSB appearance, check out the
>
current (OCT) issue of Harper's---the main feature about driving Einstein's
>
brain cross country."
>
>
Has anyone seen this piece?
No, but
I heard about it as well. Apparently WSB has a great line about
growing
old/getting evil. I'm certainly going to check it out. I never go
around
to getting a copy of the New Yorker when it had his last written
words,
and I've been kicking myself ever since.
Neil
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From: Arthur Nusbaum <SSASN@AOL.COM>
Subject: Goodbye for now
Dear
Friends:
At this
time, I am unable to keep with, let alone respond or contribute much
to, the
volume of mail on this List. I am
temporarily signing off today, but
I SHALL
RETURN. Happy Halloween, and keep the
Beat!
Regards,
Arthur
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bentz
and fellow listees,
first
thank you bentz, i appreciate you throwing my name in there along with
marie's
and patricia's whose poetry i hold in high regard. secondly, if any
one has
any feedback on my poem, please let me know. mucho thanks on a grey
day in
florida,
~~marlene
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marie,
i've
seen a couple of posts discussing tapes of your pieces, are you selling
them?
i'd really love a copy. e-mail me privately and i'll give you my
address.
thank you for the visions....
~~marlene
M84M79@aol.com
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has
anyone attempted to send original works of poetry to city lights
publishers?
They are listed in the poetry market book (1998) so maybe we
can
gather a few poems for publication. If anyone can spare some advice
on how
to go about this please let me know.
thanks,
jason
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i'd
also like some more info on this. thanks :-)
~~marlene
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no
marlene i'm not selling tapes, ye gods and little fishes! i'm an apprentice
i do
have a new tape out of the amnesia quartet. if you send me yr address plus
5 bucks
to cover tape and posting, i'll be happy to oblige.
(i hate
that old tape burn burn burn)
have a
great one.
mc
M84M79
wrote:
>
marie,
>
i've seen a couple of posts discussing tapes of your pieces, are you selling
>
them? i'd really love a copy. e-mail me privately and i'll give you my
>
address. thank you for the visions....
>
~~marlene
>
M84M79@aol.com
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adeal
that can't be beat.
i have
been awahash with aghashast when i started reading messages about
people
still listening to that old tape i made.
please
all in posession:
in
return for it's return i will tape for you autumn insomnia quartet.
whidh i
am at least proud of.
a
reading i can at least not want to hide behind the tape box in.
mc
btw:
this
already includes marlene, dbof ohio radio$ibrary fame/ derek
antoine,
dave my pal of the night, rheasa, and i dont' know the who else
my
memory is gone i can't sleep!
anyway
return of tape or $5 tape ship handling lil'm broke is the deal.
swap is
yr best deal, heh heh
mc
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marie,
here's
my address:
Marlene
Giraud
935
Lemongrass Lane
Wellington,
Fla. 33414
where
do i send five bucks? ooh i can't wait to haer them...geez, i sound like
a five
year old...thanks again....
~~marlene
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> I find this very difficult to
accept. Jack's sister was a
>Blake--she
died a Blake, since though her husband had left her, they
>were
>never
formally divorced. She was Caroline
Blake. Her son Little Paul
>was
True, Gerry, but I'm sure that in Jack's
mind Nin was always a
Kerouac
before she was a Blake. A man with
Jack's Franco-American
sense
of family would never wish ill on his immediate family. On his
brother-in-law
sure, but not on Nin. Of course, i have
to wonder if he
really
considered Little Paul a Blake, considering his affection for
him...
maybe he considered him a Kerouac purely because he had Kerouac
blood
in him coupled with the fact that he and Little Paul were so
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This
past August the idea had come to me for a WSB tribute of sorts that I
wanted
to make for myself. I finally finished it today and thought I'd share
it with
the list. It's nothing really, just an image, but it's constructed
soley
in HTML tags -- no graphics images at all. You'll need a Web browser
that
can view tables and color (most do). It's at
<http://dsl.org/m/doc/lit/beat/wsb.html>.
Maybe someone can use it for
something.
m
email
stutz@dsl.org Copyright (c) 1997
Michael Stutz; this information is
<http://dsl.org/m/> free and may be reproduced under GNU GPL,
and as long
as this sentence remains;
it comes with absolutely NO
WARRANTY; for details see
<http://dsl.org/copyleft/>.
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I would
love to submit to City Lights! Does anyone know the address? I
can't
afford the Poetry Market book...:(
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
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Diane
Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET> mentions:
Lamb,
No Lion, 1958 (written by Jack Kerouac)
"...Beat
doesn't mean tired, or bushed, so much as it means 'beato,' the
Italian
for beatific: to be in a state of beatitude, like St. Francis,
trying
to to love all life, trying to be utterly sincere with everyone,
practicing
endurance, kindness, cultivating joy of heart."
The
laste book of Bible is The Apocalypse written by Ioannes (69 a.d.)
and
begin with the exhortative words "BEATUS, QUI LEGIT" meaning
"be
blessed who has a vision while he is reading".
The
Bible is differenced from the Veda or Upanishad (or from the
ancient
greek poems) because it sides with the suffering being.
The
Apocalypse (Revelation) supports the victims, and it's the book
of
loneliness.
cari
saluti da
Rinaldo.
* PD.
hola, Daniel un saludo... muchas gracias. *
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Autumn insominiac Quartet
DAY
FOUR
IN SOMNIA
for the fourth day
in the fourth year
up here in north country
each autumn
i dwell in the land of
in Somnia.
in Somnia,
the rules change:
clocks run backwards
as
fast as ahead
and collide,
like two perfectly balanced arrows
two exquistely aimed arrorws
meeting in mid flight -
time
collapses.
i=92ve tried
doctors
pills!
special pillows
herbal remedies
warm milk!
relaxation, meditation
chants!
(and furtive readings from the =91self
help=92
corner of local bookstore )
hell,
i=92ve even taken to ale again
as my corner store is a
redemption center!
redemption through ales!
they=92ve told me they miss my bottles,
and my pockets of change for
replacements
(hell,
i think when abstinent,
they preyed for my redemption!)
but,
nothing changes.
Until, 72 hours into
black night slowly
inching its way to dawn,
i look out my window
and
see the first snow fall
of autumn.
i take this as an omen
i take this as a vision
i take this as a balm,
and i thank the winds of change :
with same disease as allen
cooking in my body
at times quiescent,
other times raging,
a life line without guarrentee
a reminder of mortality,
i
suspect the gods are smiling on me
giving me more time
to store up against an early death
so charged,
writing always becomes electric,
a force of its own :
vowels
consonants
metaphors
voices
ring in my head,
so i spend time with poets
who would rather
stay dead:
Woolfe, Sexton, Plath
(i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow
your path),
or that of ti Jean,
Kerouac :
it=92s a critical mass:
one can drown in water, or in wine,
nothing sublime about that.
is it an affliction,
these extra hours,
dark, quiet, soft snow falling
or gift?
(these extra hours
dark, quiet, soft snow falling)
i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow
falling
hours as the horizon point is touched
by flame
i=92m still awake
when daybreak changes snow to rain
snow washed away
in to the rain
i=92m still awake
i=92m still awake
i=92m still awake
~~~~~~~~~~~~
1993
lately i just keep waking
lately i just keep waking alone
in the black of night
i breathe shallow i wear earphones
not to wake you
not to
wake you
i breathe shallowly
3 am 4 am
mind wanders and stumbles
stuck in the valley of consciousness
black timelessness,
i don=92t
think of tomorrow, rather
merge with the blackness
listen to the burning
fire
in my ears, break free --the
passions bursts! in my ears,
and turning,
turn up the volume on the
sobbing stereo wailing
i make my choice
light the candle
shed my
clothes
twirl on the balls of my
feet and let
my hips find their own rhythm
scarf in hand,
flung swirls, settles
the lamp shadows cast,
i dance to my anima,
shadow cast
i ride the fiddles
in the midst of hurricane
a halcyon dance.
go away if it bothers you, in fact
please go away.
its the blackness you see
the blackness and me
everybody nobody knows about me
nobody everybody
nobody knows about me
the song
the vigil
blackness
energy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
III
DAVE
FIVE
dance
in camplight
all others ringed round the fire asleep
ceiling of stars sleepless
blanket round shoulders
i sit and bend towards fire
sweat raises on shoulders
firelight warmth
sudden gust of cold, then icy fire:
he appears
my wolf, my angst, my chosen delusion
if you will, my metaphor
and the firelight
turns to music
sweat raises to shoulders
and muscles obey
running electric alive currents
to all casual eyes
i dance alone in the desert
oh please,
oh please,
- hear me hear out my story-
because you were in it
alive
you
alive
you
alive
who are you
who are you
my
angst
my
well chosen adversary
my brother
my killer
life giver
who?
and with all these uquestions burning in
my brain
you can
see why i then crave i sleep
this question
so easily cicles
chasing me all around leading me all
around in circles
to dream on
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NIGHT
SEVEN
in dreamless nights
in dreams, i remember flying over the old
spartan homelands
-the freedom
-the altitiude
-my shadow cast on the hillscapes-
feathers
delineated in shadow shapes
windspread wide and proud.
i no longer dream of flying,
i no longer dream at all.
(I hail from the country of In Somnia
I=92m only here to gather some
ingredients:
bane of darkness
wort of light
bones of a robin)
[the condescending smile of an eye
as i beg for help,
condescending incomprehending eye]
so rejected,
i choose to stop such public presentations
i choose to live here in my palace,
peopled by imagination.
who is to say which is which?
corporeal or ethereal?
i dwell on this laid awake for so many of
my days
stricken by fear of wrong choice of audience
(audience needed to make alive the writer
here self
immolated on bed of insomnia)
dream weavers, you would no longer
be the hackneyed american paen to
colonizing blood guilt,
dream weavers you would have to be here :
to weave my passage through my own strands
of guilt :
an
impossiblity through the eye of a camel..
and yet
and
yet,
i see you pick up this paper, blessed by
tears and torn
by desperations,
i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh
yes it does, so pliable,
feel me,
i=92m in your pocket
i=92m here;
you awaken....
oct. 24-30, 1997
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you
want specific information from someone on the list or want to ask a
question
that applies only to him or her, please backchannel. This will
make
the number of list postings much more manageable for all of us.
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hey
folks,
let me say that i have never read any
of the Dark Tower books by
Stephen
King but its very strange to see a similarity between the
gunslinger
in King's book and Burrough's Kim Carson in the Western
Lands/Place
of Dead Roads/Cities of the Red Night series. Any thoughts on
this or
am i just overdosing on M@Ms?
jason
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I have
to take leave for a term, and would appreciate it if some kind
soul
forwarded me the info on how to unsubscribe to the list.
Thanks,
Colin
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From: "L.W. Deal"
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Subject: Re: city lights submissions
Fellow
Beat-Listers:
Best I
could do was pull out my '96 POET'S MARKET (times've been tough these
past
two years <wink wink>) Here's their listing there, hope it's relatively
current:
CITY
LIGHT BOOKS 261 Columbus Ave., San Francisco, CA 94133, phone (415)
362-1901,
founded 1955, edited by Lawrence Ferlinghetti and Nancy J. Peters,
is a
paperback house that achieved prominence with the publication of Allen
Ginsberg's
HOWL and other poetry of the "Beat" school. They publish
"poetry,
fiction,
philosophy, political and social history." Simultaneous submissions
OK.
"All submissions must include SASE." Reports in 6-8 weeks. Payment
varies.
Hope
this helps.
Kisses
& Starfishes from Seattle,
LD
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Subject: Lately I just...get transfixed
Marie
et al:
Can I
just say how won'drous it be's to sign on and find such mesmerizing,
intoxicating,
almost suffocating poetic images filling up my mailbox in place
of ugly
name-slanders and boring legal monologues!
Just when I was about to
check
out at the front desk, I noticed how beautiful the wallpaper is in this
place!
Now, I'm transfixed! Keep it comin', my friends...
Starfishes
& Kisses,
LD
"U-Turns
are sad reminders of how flat this world has become."
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Subject: An acquired taste
Now Now
Now Be not discouraged, for this life is much like jazz --- an
acquired
taste. At first, just white noise in an elevator or
halfempty/halfcrowded
cafeteria --- then, all at once, explodes into passion
poppy
confetti, only to be swept up in an early hour by some wise-silent
janitorial-type.
Oct '97
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my
gosh, my wizard reached into my computer from his place and fixed my
pictures.
he has real pity in his voice for my skill, he speaks slowly
and
says comforting things. like he will come a give me a couple of free
lessons, ( notice he said couple)
http://www.sunflower.com/~pelliott/pictures.html
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Nancy,
Generally you can check out the Poet's
Market from your local library...
Bruce
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>I
would love to submit to City Lights! Does anyone know the address? I
>can't
afford the Poetry Market book...:(
>
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hello
friends,
letme
know if i'm wrong but alot of friends exchanges
each
other the photos, so i do it, sending to you this little
italian
quadretto: myself (r, rinaldo) & (l, my litle niece silvia),
cari
saluti a tutti saluti da
rinaldo.
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:40:44 +0100
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: Re: wsb and stephen king?
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At
14.28 31/10/97 -0500, "PoOka(the friendly ghost)"
<jdematte@TURBO.KEAN.EDU>
wrote:
>hey
folks,
> let me say that i have never read any
of the Dark Tower books by
>Stephen
King but its very strange to see a similarity between the
>gunslinger
in King's book and Burrough's Kim Carson in the Western
>Lands/Place
of Dead Roads/Cities of the Red Night series. Any thoughts on
>this
or am i just overdosing on M@Ms?
>
jason
>
>
'Damn!' it made the trip seem
sinister and doomed.
We drove on. Stan's arm got
worse. We'd stop at the
first hospital and have him get a shot of pencillin.
We passed Castle Rock, came to
Colorado Springs at
dark. The great shadows of
Pike's Peak loomed our
right -- jack kerouac On the
Road, part four,4,pg.253
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:56:40 -0500
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
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Subject: Rabbits (for Charles Plymell)
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Rabbits
(For Charles Plymell)
Charles,
did you know that some rabbits live charmed lifes?
Better
than nine?
The
other night, I came around a curb by a small pond.
It was
dusk, twilight, or close thereto.
I was
watching some ducks paddle home, when
I saw
something out of the corner of my eye.
It was
a rabbit and it was running for the road.
It ran
right up under my wheel.
I was
on the car phone and said,
"Damn,
I think that rabbit just ran through my tires."
A few
minutes later, taking my son to soccer,
I
confessed nothing to him about the possible rabbitcide.
A
squashing of an undetermined view.
But
there was nothing, no blood, no guts, no nothing.
The
damn thing had done it, run between the tires.
I
figure it was because it was on a turn.
And
that it was perfect timing,
And
that it lead a charmed life with a determined point of view.
Has
this ever happened to you?
Bentz
Kirby 10/31/97 at 5:54
First
draft
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:52:03 -0500
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From: George Russell
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Subject: Re: WSB cameo in Harper's magazine
Yeah, I
read that. Didn't realize WSB had a
connection with Einstein, but it
is
rather appropriate, don't ya' think?
-George
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The
Director Samuel Fuller died today.
Right away, the name may
not
ring a bell, but if you enjoy westerns, you will know his
first
movie, "I Shot Jesse James."
He also filmed "The Steel
Helment",
"Fixed Bayonets", "The Big Red One (with Lee Marvin)
and
Shock Corridors. Shock Corridors was
about an undercover
reporter
in a mental hospital. He was a director
that took on
social
issues and he also acted in several movies.
I was
not really aware of his history until I read his obit at
CNN and
realized how many of his movies I was familiar with. I
saw
Shock Corridors as a child and its haunting echos still
reverberate
and ring true. But, to me, "I Shot
Jesse James"
rules. If you want to know more, the url is:
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9710/31/obit.fuller.ap/index.html
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Hello
all,
Not
sure if this is the kind of list where introductions are necessary, but
I
thought I'd make myself known, all the same.
I just
joined this list today. Didn't know it existed until now (thanks
Bentz).
I got
into the Beats primarily through listening to and reading about Bob
Dylan.
The biographies on Dylan always talked about Ginsberg and Kerouac
and to
a lesser extent Burroughs, so I thought I'd check them out. What a
fabulous
world opened up before me! This was about nine years ago, when I
was
twenty.
Burroughs
is my favourite. Gradually, I got all his books, and to this day
I'm
missing only "The Third Mind" and "Seven Deadly Sins". I've
learnt more
from
Burroughs than anyone else. Dylan once said that hearing good music
for the
first time "set him free and taught him how to live forever".
Burroughs'
prose had the same affect on me. I was dazzled. I was bewitched.
I was
in awe of a man who could be so far away from the human race, yet
still
so close. I related to his isolation, his alienation, more than
anything.
And funny! My God, there were times when I didn't think it
possible
that one man could write such funny stuff. The "Yage Letters"
crack
me up to this day. The droll, deadpan descriptions of South America
and its
people still puts me on the floor. When Bill died recently I felt
like
I'd lost the one person in the world I could really relate to. To me,
he's up
there with Rimbaud. No praise is high enough.
My
other favourite's are Knut Hamsun (a Beat 50 years ahead of his time),
Bukowski,
Fante, Raymond Carver, Hubert Selby, a little of Ginsberg (I
enjoy
his notebooks more than his poetry (Howl excluded)), and my all-time
favourite
novel ... Camus' "The Stranger". So as you can see, my tastes lie
with
the "realist" genre.
Anyway,
hope y'all found this innaresting. I look forward to the
conversations
on the Beat list ...
Glenn
Cooper.
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Glenn
Cooper wrote:
>
Hello all,
>
>
Not sure if this is the kind of list where introductions are necessary, but
> I
thought I'd make myself known, all the same.
>
> I
just joined this list today. Didn't know it existed until now (thanks
>
Bentz).
>
>
<snip>
>
Anyway, hope y'all found this innaresting. I look forward to the
>
conversations on the Beat list ...
>
>
Glenn Cooper.
Glenn:
Welcome
aboard. I think your post on Burroughs
will be well received here. I
knew
from your posts on rmd that you would like this list, just didn't know how
deep it
ran. I also got to Kerouac and the
Beats through Dylan. But Jack is
my
man. But after your post, I think I
will pull Yage Letters off the shelf
and
read it again. Never too old to learn I
hope. I have seen posts from our
Italian
poet, Rinaldo, on rmd. So, you may
recognize him from rmd too. Well,
I am
listening to TOOM now, Trying to get to Heaven Before They Close the Door.
TOOM
has gotten good reviews here. It is a
great work, and thought I don't
have
the money, I am weighing springing for $25 to go see Bob Sunday. It is
funny
how three children can change your priorities.
Many times I've been to
concerts
when I had less than now. But, those
jeans, soccer fees, college
tuition
worries and all that adds up big time in a hurry. Boy, I am glad that
oldest
one is gone. I can't believe I used to
have four!
Welcome
to Glenn from RMD. May you enjoy the
poets, critics and the rest on
the
beat list. Someone on here can tell you
how to access the archives.
Later,
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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Subject: Re: Humble Introduction
My
welcome to Glenn, also.
Now ---
what is RMD? Please?
Dawn
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Dawn:
RMD is
the newsgroup rec.music.dylan There is
a mail list that
picks
up the newsgroup postings, but it will fill up your mail
box in
a hurry. I prefer the news group for
Dylan. I would have
sent
this back channel, but it occurred to me that others might
have
the same question.
Take
care,
Dawn B.
Sova wrote:
> My
welcome to Glenn, also.
>
>
Now --- what is RMD? Please?
>
>
Dawn
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Soon I
will be signing off the Beat List. I
would welcome anyone who would
like to
talk about the Beats with me to email me at
jrpick@maila.wm.edu
I will
likely be back in a while, but until then:
".
. . how do you know what you're going to do till you do it? The answer
is, you
don't."
- Salinger
"None
of us knew what was going on, or what the Good Lord appointed."
-
Jack Kerouac
"'You
boys going to get somewhere, or just going?'
We didn't understand
his
question, and it was a damned good question."
-
Jack Kerouac
Jon
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Music Dylan
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Leon
was kind enough to post the details for Carolyn Cassidy's
appearance
at UC Santa Cruz. This talk is part of
a larger series of
things
on Women Beat Writers. The schedule as
I have it (and it
certainly
doesn't give one much time to plan
Nov 6
"Wild
Women" a panel featuring Carolyn Cassidy, Anne Waldman and Jeanine
Pommy
Vega, UC Santa Cruz, Kresge Town Hall,
4:30-6pm
An
evening of p[oetry with Joan Kyger and Anne Waldman. San Jose State
University,
Music Concert Hall, 7:30 pm
Nov. 7
Coffee
hour, mixer. Costanoan Room/ Student Union/ SJSU 9:30-10:30.
"Tracking
the Serpent", a panel with Janine-Pommy Vega, Anne Waldman and
Joanne
Kyger. Coastanoan Room, Student Union, SJSU, 10:30-noon.
Carolyn
Cassidy Homecoming Luncheon. Guadalupe
Room/ Student Union,
SJSU,
2-3:30 ($30 per person).
The
Other Writer in the FAmily, a panel with C. Cassady, Boobie Louise
Hawkins
and Joanne McClure. Guadalupe Room,
SJSU 2-3:30 pm
(this
looks like a conflict with Carolyns lunch.
I'd call 408-924-1378
to get
it straight)
An
evening of readings by Carolyn Cassady, Bobby Louise Hawkins, Joanne
McClure
and Janine Pommy Vega, Engineering Bldg. Auditorium. SJSU, 8:30
pm.
J.
Stauffer (schedule from the San Jose
Metro)
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Bill,
At the
risk of being repetive, what better argument for returning to the
alternative
posting format. That way the hurried,
lazy or chemically
impaired
(speaking only for myself) will automatically backchannel and
posts
to the list will require a concious effort. Sounds like a more
perfect
world to me.
J.
Stauffer
Bill
Gargan wrote:
>
> People
are continuing to send a lot of private messages to the list. If
>
you want specific information from someone on the list or want to ask a
>
question that applies only to him or her, please backchannel. This will
>
make the number of list postings much more manageable for all of us.
>
Happy Holoween, everyone.
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You I
got the heebyjeebys it's Halloween.
Makes
me think of Burroughs writing about getting the chucks and sucking
down
little Billy's sugar skull. Course day
o the dead is ma=96ana so th=
e
sugar
skulls are in abundence.
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James Stauffer wrote:
>
>
Bill,
>
> At
the risk of being repetive, what better argument for returning to
>
the
>
alternative posting format. That way
the hurried, lazy or chemically
>
impaired (speaking only for myself) will automatically backchannel and
>
posts to the list will require a concious effort. Sounds like a more
>
perfect world to me.
>
> J.
Stauffer
I
disagree James, it's a more perfect world the way it is now.
DC
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>Leon
was kind enough to post the details for Carolyn Cassidy's
>appearance
at UC Santa Cruz.
Cool
bro James. You got the name right. Leon
said University of Sanat
Cruz. Of course we knew what he meant but me being
an alumnus, it stuck
out at
me. And by perchance I was a Kresge
student.
Now
that I've bored youall with this
trick
or treat
++++++++++++++++++++++
And,
James, you've got your reply-to set to reply to you. So if I get a
post
from you and simply hit reply it goes to you, not the list, even if it
came
from the list.
Those
who like that list set p can do it themselves in their mail programs
settings
by making the reply-to field their e-mail address.
>This
talk is part of a larger series of
>things
on Women Beat Writers. The schedule as
I have it (and it
>certainly
doesn't give one much time to plan
>
>Nov
6
>
>"Wild
Women" a panel featuring Carolyn Cassidy, Anne Waldman and Jeanine
>Pommy
Vega, UC Santa Cruz, Kresge Town Hall,
4:30-6pm
>
>An
evening of p[oetry with Joan Kyger and Anne Waldman. San Jose State
>University,
Music Concert Hall, 7:30 pm
>
>Nov.
7
>
>Coffee
hour, mixer. Costanoan Room/ Student Union/ SJSU 9:30-10:30.
>
>"Tracking
the Serpent", a panel with Janine-Pommy Vega, Anne Waldman and
>Joanne
Kyger. Coastanoan Room, Student Union, SJSU, 10:30-noon.
>
>Carolyn
Cassidy Homecoming Luncheon. Guadalupe
Room/ Student Union,
>SJSU,
2-3:30 ($30 per person).
>
>The
Other Writer in the FAmily, a panel with C. Cassady, Boobie Louise
>Hawkins
and Joanne McClure. Guadalupe Room,
SJSU 2-3:30 pm
>(this
looks like a conflict with Carolyns lunch.
I'd call 408-924-1378
>to
get it straight)
>
>An
evening of readings by Carolyn Cassady, Bobby Louise Hawkins, Joanne
>McClure
and Janine Pommy Vega, Engineering Bldg. Auditorium. SJSU, 8:30
>pm.
>
>J.
Stauffer (schedule from the San Jose
Metro)