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Can't
find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding
JK's
being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew
of
any
books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before (and
during)
the writing of any particular book.
this would be a fascinating and
illuminating
study. anyone on the list ever done any
such research?
ciao, sherri
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>Thanks
to Rinaldo Rasa for his scan of On the Road from Italy to be found at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
Thanks! Paul...
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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i know
that there are differing opinions about posting poetry to the
list,
but since i have brought you all along through the valley of
revision,
i thought i'd take you to the final destination:
(mailer
won't center, best read centered on page)
Insominiac Quartet
I
DAY
FOUR: In Somnia
for the fourth day
in the fourth year
up here in north country
each autumn
i dwell in the land of
in Somnia.
in Somnia,
the rules change:
clocks run backwards
as
fast as ahead
and collide,
like two perfectly balanced arrows
two exquistely aimed arrorws
meeting in mid flight -
time
collapses.
i=92ve tried
doctors pills,
herbal remedies,
warm milk!
relaxation, meditation
chants!
(and furtive readings from the =91self
help=92
corner of local bookstore )
nothing changes.
except, 96 hours into
black night slowly
inching its way to dawn,
i look out my window
and
see the first snow fall
of autumn.
i watch the snow fall
and
muse upon my hepatitis C,
a life
line without guarrentee,
a reminder of mortality.
i
would like to think
the gods are smiling on me,
giving me more time
to store up against an early death;
so charged,
writing always becomes electric,
a force of its own :
vowels
consonants
metaphors
voices
ring in my head,
so i spend time with poets
who would rather
stay dead:
Woolfe, Sexton, Plath
(i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow
your path),
or that of ti Jean,
Kerouac :
it=92s a critical mass:
one can drown in water, or in wine,
nothing sublime about that.
is it an affliction,
these extra hours,
dark, quiet, soft snow falling
or gift?
(these extra hours
dark, quiet, soft snow falling)
i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow
falling
hours as the horizon point is touched
by flame
i=92m still awake
when daybreak changes snow to rain
snow washed away
in to the rain
i=92m still awake
i=92m still awake
i=92m still awake
~~~~~~~~~~~~
II
FLASHBACK:
1993
lately i just keep waking
lately i just keep waking alone
in the black of night
i breathe shallow i wear earphones
not to wake you
not to
wake you
i breathe shallowly
3 am 4 am
mind wanders and stumbles
stuck in the valley of consciousness
black timelessness,
i don=92t
think of tomorrow, rather
merge with the blackness
listen to the burning
fire
in my ears, break free --the
passions bursts! in my ears,
and turning,
turn up the volume on the
sobbing stereo wailing
i make my choice
light the candle
shed my
clothes
twirl on the balls of my
feet and let
my hips find their own rhythm
scarf in hand,
flung swirls, settles
the lamp shadows cast,
i dance to my anima,
shadow cast
i ride the fiddles
in the midst of hurricane
a halcyon dance.
go away if it bothers you, in fact
please go away.
its the blackness you see
the blackness and me
everybody nobody knows about me
nobody everybody
knows about me
the song
the vigil
the
darkness in me
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
III
DAY
FIVE: dance
in camplight
all others ringed round the fire asleep
i steal the ceiling of stars, sleepless,
cold,
and needing a blanket around my shoulders.
i sit and bend towards fire
sweat raises on shoulders
firelight warmth
sudden gust of cold, then icy fire:
he appears
my wolf, my angst,
my
anima, lover--
and the firelight
turns to music
sweat raises to shoulders
and muscles obey
running electric alive currents!
(to all casual eyes
i dance alone in the desert)
oh
please,
oh please,
- hear me hear out my story-
because you were in it-
you,
alive!
you,
alive!
who are you?
adversary?
brother?
killer?
life giver?
who?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NIGHT
SEVEN: in dreamless nights
in dreams, i remember flying over the old
spartan homelands
-the freedom
-the altitiude
-my shadow cast on the hillscapes-
feathers
delineated in shadow shapes
windspread wide and proud.
i no longer dream of flying,
i no longer dream at all.
(I hail from the country of In Somnia
I=92m only here to gather some
ingredients:
bane of darkness
wort of light
bones of a robin)
[the condescending smile of an eye
as i beg for help,
condescending incomprehending eye]
so rejected,
i choose to stop such public presentations
i choose to live here in my palace,
peopled by imagination.
who is to say which is which?
corporeal or ethereal?
laid awake for so many of my days
the return to the land of sleep
and the
company of sleepers
an
impossiblity
i pray
for my dreamweaver
to come
where i
lie, invisible to the naked i
still
and quiet in the darkness of the darkest night of all,
to see
you coming in the darkness, dreamweaver.
i see you pick up this paper, blessed by
tears and torn
by desperations,
i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh
yes it does, so pliable,
feel me,
i=92m in your pocket
i=92m here;
you awaken....
oct. 24-30, 1997
revised
11/11/97
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Sherri,
John Hasbrouck, a Beat lister from
Chicago and one of our resident
blues
guitarists, has been long at work dooing a chronological read of all
extant
Beat material - letterss, texts, etc. - and may be able to point us
to
something like you're looking for.
John?
Antoine
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from
Sherri:
>Can't
find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding
>JK's
being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew
of
>any
books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before (and
>during)
the writing of any particular book.
this would be a fascinating and
>illuminating
study. anyone on the list ever done any
such research?
>
>ciao, sherri
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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On Mon,
10 Nov 1997, Paul A. Maher Jr. wrote:
>
>I thought it was about what he "read" and not what he
"heard."
paul -
yes it
was. BUT i think that an author like kerouac, an author who put so
much
stock in rhythm and sound of words who was so influenced by the
musical
in text (for instance the improv of his breatpocket notebook
poems,
riffing in a certain space) means that kerouac cannot solely be
examined
in terms of written "text" & not only that but i sought to expand
the
definition of "text" here on beat-L by introducing the idea of text
as
being
anything that is recieved.
yrs
derek
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thanks
Antoine. how bout it John?
ciao,
sherri
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Sherri,
John Hasbrouck, a Beat lister from
Chicago and one of our resident
blues
guitarists, has been long at work dooing a chronological read of all
extant
Beat material - letterss, texts, etc. - and may be able to point us
to
something like you're looking for.
John?
Antoine
****************
from
Sherri:
>Can't
find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding
>JK's
being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew
of
>any
books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before (and
>during)
the writing of any particular book.
this would be a fascinating and
>illuminating
study. anyone on the list ever done any
such research?
>
>ciao, sherri
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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Dear
Sherri, Antoine, et. al.,
Good
question! Doing a study of an author's reading list is a very cool
idea. I
glanced at a full-length, scholarly book on Thoreau's reading,
though
I didn't have the gumption to pursue it. I know of no better
readily
available source for learning what Kerouac was reading at
specific
points in his life than Nicosia's MEMORY BABE.
My
opinion is that Kerouac was very suggestible and that his writing was
easily
influenced by his reading. He tended to be imitative of what he
was
reading. I believe that he developed his own voice very gradually,
and
became fully mature in this regard perhaps only very late in his
career
- when he was, sadly, tired and loaded.
It's an
accepted critical notion that THE TOWN AND THE CITY was
imitative
of Thomas Wolfe. (Reread the second sentence in that book for
a
perfect example of over-writing.) Of course Kerouac's genius begins to
be
evident in ON THE ROAD, but can we imagine Jack writing like that
without
taking into account his correspondence with Neal Cassady? Jack
was
blown away not only by Neal's talk, but also by the fact that NEAL
COULD
WRITE THE WAY HE TALKED. And it is Neal's voice that is the basic
model
for the prose style of ON THE ROAD. VISIONS OF CODY of course
transcended
this imitative bent and is a better book (though it is, of
course,
Jack's attempt at writing his own ULYSSES.)
Now I
expect to be flamed here, but I think a lot of Jack's Buddhist
writing
is an embarrassing imitation of the antique translations found
in
Dwight Goddard's BUDDHIST BIBLE. And Jack's philosophizing in SOME OF
THE
DHARMA is so much freshman rhetoric (for my money, anyway...tho I
admit I
haven't read SOTD all the way through.)
Strangely,
I think Jack's most personal voice comes through in VANITY OF
DULUOZ
and BIG SUR, though these books, (like all of 'em), are heavily
flawed.
I remember reading that Jack was reading Pascal around the time
he
wrote VOD.
Try
reading THE TOWN AND THE CITY and VANITY OF DULUOZ, (which cover
almost
the same time periods in Jack's life), back to back, and the
essense
of Kerouac - and the evolution of his writing style - will hit
you
like a freight train.
Gotta
go...I'm at work.
love,
john h.
--
***
JOHN HASBROUCK
***
Graphic Design & Fingerstyle Guitar in Chicago
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In an
earlier GAN post Bill Gargan refers to the possible influence of
Dos
Passos on JK and others. This has
intrigued me also. Does anyone
recall
any references of Jacks to John DP? It
seems so obvious, the
same
way one wouldn't need to have evidence that Jack was influenced by
Thomas
Wolfe, but it would be nice to have some evidence.
J.
Stauffer
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>feeling
the stings of arrows. you are a valuable member of the list,
>even
>though
you feel under attack right now.
>i
am very sorry that you misread my post, (i think that's what happend)
>in
friendship if this is possible,
>mc(not
a fascist)
thanks for the kind words.. i think we
should just chalk it up to
another
case of foot in mouth, and move on. i
don't know what caused
me to
go on the defense, must've been stressed or something. thanks
for
tolerating me.
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RACE wrote:
>
Where does one start? Perhaps with the
beginnings of Queer as it has
>
been mentioned several times of late.
>
>
Any takers?
As I
remember from reading the intro to Queer a while back, it is not
that
long. For those of us that no longer
have the book handy, could
someone
just start posting a few passages or a paragraph at a time so we
could
all discuss it together?
DC
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okay
you guys,
i don't
know why this is continuing. i don't want to come out and say, i'm
the one
whose poem was mocked, let me fight it out, because i don't seriously
care.
it is sherri and i who should be coming forth. i appreciate you all for
telling
paul to cool it and remember people's feelings, but i think its a
waste
of time. of course it bothered me, but it didn't keep me up all night.
Listen,
i have faith in my abilities. i like my poetry, i like my style. i
use my
angst. i am a teenager. paul is free to say what he wishes. honestly i
feel
flattered that he spent time with my poem coming up with his version.
i'm
aware of cruelty in this world. but i take things in stride. i was angry
and
resentful, but now i simply don't care. please guys don't continue this
ridiculous
thread. its done, Mr. Maher has acted i have reacted. Now all i
ask of
him is to post poetry of his so i can have a crack at him. Ha ha!
Seriously
folks, this isn't important. I'm not hurt. don't waste your breath.
get
back to the beat.....the beat...the beat...
~~Marlene
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>I've
corresponded some with RW recently. I
sent him my little ditty
>"Gang
of One" that i'd posted on the Beat-L.
Not having been around
>when
the RW history happened I had no real idea of the fact that folks
>had
reacted against his writing. I'm
certainly glad that the atmosphere
>has
changed with regards to such matters.
So who is gonna invite Ron
>back?
not having seen that whole thing either i
have no idea what you're
talking
about. though i have heard the name
before. reacted against
his
writing? anyone have samples of this
writing? Always interested in
seeing
a piece of writing that has the ability to ruffle feathers.
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From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: The highway's calling....
In a
message dated 97-11-11 09:02:35 EST, you write:
<<
Any good road stories?
david rhaesa
salina, Kansas >>
sorry
david....wish i did.....got stuck in a little nothing town called
niceville.
ever pass through niceville in north florida? i don't reccomend
it. was
accosted by come bible thumping christians (hope i didn't offend
anyone)
okay not accosted maybe pentacosted. ha! well i'm in the works of
some
more car poetry....trip inspired i'll post that soon. Do i dare?!
what the hell....i dare! take it easy all.
muchos
carinos,
~~Marlene
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Tyson,
That's
an impressive statement. We all hate to
back down--yet to do so
when
you need to shows class. We could all take a lesson.
J.
Stauffer
Tyson
Ouellette wrote:
> thanks for the kind words.. i think we
should just chalk it up to
>
another case of foot in mouth, and move on.
i don't know what caused
> me
to go on the defense, must've been stressed or something. thanks
>
for tolerating me.
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> So
why do things like this sound so much more
>profound
when set to music--i.e., to a certain rhythm and tempo? Is this
>gain
in profundity just an illusion, or does it *really* add another
>meaningful
dimension? I'm beginning to think that it does really add
>something
important, that is not reducible to simple semantic meaning.
music is a powerful entity in itself,
it's healing, it sings the
rhythyms
of the soul, very spiritual, whether
it's mozart or
metallica. now when tou combine words and music, the
words it seems
have a
free ride to your subconscious. how
much easier it is to
reiterate
a song than words alone, preserving timing, etc. because it
takes a
different path to whatever regions of your mind it goes to,
maybe
it penetrates further tht way. i find
the same for music
enhanced
by words, music alone doesn't get in there as quickly and
strongly
as music with words. that was part of
the reason i mentioned
a
progression in literature that combines prose, poetry, music... i
think
we'll have to incorporate the visual arts also, again, not merely
an
illustrated book, but more fully melded.
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Jeff Taylor wrote:
> So
what do we want? A great novel by an American, or a great novel
>
about
>
that "greatest of all human themes" no matter who it may be written
by?
I don't
think we have set up a mutually exclusive situation. Great
literature
will be seen as great no matter the country of origin of the
writer. But an American who internalizes the
American consciousness in
his
work will produce something far different than, for example, an
Englishman/woman. I don't see how the fact that America is
diverse would
prevent
that from happening. It also has to deal with beginning with the
local
and moving from there to the universal.
No writer can ever
separate
himself totally from his personal experience no matter how much
his/her
art stands alone as great art.
Shakespeare wrote about the
"greatest
of human themes" but he was also a product of Elizabethan
England. The thinking implied in the words
"great American"
doesn't
imply that America must produce something great because the
country
is seen by many as the greatest (like a built-in gene), only that
given
the cycles inherent in things, it is time for a new genius to arise
from
this country. It also doesn't mean that
the writer won't leave
America. Even though Joyce's themes and knowledge was
universal he wrote
adeptly
about the Irish, in spite of the fact that most of his adult life
was
lived elsewhere.
DC
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>musical
in text (for instance the improv of his breatpocket notebook
>poems,
riffing in a certain space) means that kerouac cannot solely be
>examined
in terms of written "text" & not only that but i sought to
>expand
>the
definition of "text" here on beat-L by introducing the idea of text
>as
>being
anything that is recieved.
also keep in mind jack's franco youth,
french was spoken all the
time. english was more or less his second
language, even though he
spoke
it from a young age because of the non-french presence in
lowell..
but in what is essentially a french
mill town (speaking from
my own
experience) and being franco in that environment, franco
language
and thought patterns are the ever present influence, and there
is
quite a superiority complex of sorts among the french towards the
non-franco
in their community, which serves only to reinforce the
influence. and so the english language takes on aspects
that people
who
were raised in purely english speaking non-traditional, fairly
unethnic
environments. one really sees it quite
differentlly. it's
not
that the franco-effected individual disrespects the english
language,
but is more naturally disposed, i think, to pushing and
twisting
it as far as he can manage.. from early
on you learn to make
the
most out of the fewest english words, and that trend continues,
even
once you've grasped all the subtleties of the english language.
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>Perhaps
one day all of us may become known as the "Intuitionists."
>We'll
be in the history books, the english books and be required reading
>for
college freshman english courses. We'll
have our own section in the
>syllabus! Dream dream dream....
groovy, just remember who coined the
term. hehe..
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>of
course it bothered me, but it didn't keep me up all night.
>Listen,
i have faith in my abilities. i like my poetry, i like my
>style.
i
>use
my angst. i am a teenager. paul is free to say what he wishes.
>honestly
i
>feel
flattered that he spent time with my poem coming up with his
>version.
>i'm
aware of cruelty in this world. but i take things in stride.
well then, i commend your demeanor.. many
teenagers wouldn't take
in
stride what you did. my hat off to you,
criticism and praise can be
vices,
good to see you're keeping your head about it.
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thanks
diane. my copy appears to have been 'borrowed' and the library copy
is
stolen
mc
Diane
Carter wrote:
>
> RACE wrote:
>
>
> Where does one start? Perhaps with
the beginnings of Queer as it has
>
> been mentioned several times of late.
>
>
>
> Any takers?
>
> As
I remember from reading the intro to Queer a while back, it is not
>
that long. For those of us that no
longer have the book handy, could
>
someone just start posting a few passages or a paragraph at a time so we
>
could all discuss it together?
> DC
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Hi
Paul,
I visited Kerouac Quarterly site again
this morning and it's
certainly
expanded! - nice. However, I was getting Netscape errors, perhaps
because
as a neo-luddite I'm still using version 2.0. Also the jpeg of
Rinaldo's
cover of On the Road would not load completely...just got a
heavily
pixellated view. Is that also my version of Netscape or are others
having
similar problems? ...anyone else?
I took a copy of the jpeg and it seems
to be partial interlaced image.
I also downloaded Bob Martin's song
about Stella Kerouac - I'll go
back to
sample the others.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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i used
memory babe as reference and came up with the following references
to dos
passos (hi james!)
p87:
(early college years)"for a while jack, along with the others tried
writing
like joyce. eventually most of them settled for imitating dos
passos
whose style seemed a compromise between joyce's extreme discipline
and
wolfe's veerbal abandon....althogh jack admitted wolf's flaws, wolfe
remained
his literary god.
ps 497:
of course partly jack was excited to contact the wobblies, whose
exploits
had been so gloriously chronicled by dos passos..
p79(back
to roots again) that sumer sammy and jack were reading dos
passos'
usa trilogy and manhatten transfer, and joyc's a portrait of the
artist
as a young man..
p 344kerouca's
cadallac limosine covers much the same territory as
whitman's
horse-trolley. yet on the road has often ben attacked for being
outside
any recognizable american literary tradition, even thou in the use
of an
idiomatic american diction kerouac follows, among others, twain jack
london
james farrel and dos passos...
p345:
doubtless as a tip off to their influence, kerouac employs many
distinctive
words and epithets of london and dos passo such as the use of
bo for
hobo, chi for chicago and yare for yes..not only do london and dos
passos
make frequent use of the phrase 'on the road' but both refer to
buming
across country as 'beating one's way' a fact that casts new light
on the
origin of the term 'beat generation, especially kerouac spoke of
'beating
his way' in letters
James
Stauffer wrote:
> In
an earlier GAN post Bill Gargan refers to the possible influence of
>
Dos Passos on JK and others. This has
intrigued me also. Does anyone
>
recall any references of Jacks to John DP?
It seems so obvious, the
>
same way one wouldn't need to have evidence that Jack was influenced by
>
Thomas Wolfe, but it would be nice to have some evidence.
>
> J.
Stauffer
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Subject: Re: to tyson
hey
tywon, it's cool happens to all of us at various points along the way.
ciao,
sherri
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>feeling
the stings of arrows. you are a valuable member of the list,
>even
>though
you feel under attack right now.
>i
am very sorry that you misread my post, (i think that's what happend)
>in
friendship if this is possible,
>mc(not
a fascist)
thanks for the kind words.. i think we
should just chalk it up to
another
case of foot in mouth, and move on. i
don't know what caused
me to
go on the defense, must've been stressed or something. thanks
for
tolerating me.
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Marie
Countryman wrote:
> i
used memory babe as reference and came up with the following
>
references
> to
dos passos (hi james!)
>
>
p87: (early college years)"for a while jack, along with the others
>
tried
>
writing like joyce. eventually most of them settled for imitating dos
>
passos whose style seemed a compromise between joyce's extreme
>
discipline
>
and wolfe's veerbal abandon....althogh jack admitted wolf's flaws,
>
wolfe
>
remained his literary god.
> ps
497: of course partly jack was excited to contact the wobblies,
>
whose
>
exploits had been so gloriously chronicled by dos passos..
>
p79(back to roots again) that sumer sammy and jack were reading dos
>
passos' usa trilogy and manhatten transfer, and joyc's a portrait of
>
the
>
artist as a young man..
> p
344kerouca's cadallac limosine covers much the same territory as
>
whitman's horse-trolley. yet on the road has often ben attacked for
>
being
>
outside any recognizable american literary tradition, even thou in the
> use
> of
an idiomatic american diction kerouac follows, among others, twain
>
jack
>
london james farrel and dos passos...
>
p345: doubtless as a tip off to their influence, kerouac employs many
>
distinctive words and epithets of london and dos passo such as the use
> of
> bo
for hobo, chi for chicago and yare for yes..not only do london and
>
dos
>
passos make frequent use of the phrase 'on the road' but both refer to
>
>
buming across country as 'beating one's way' a fact that casts new
>
light
> on
the origin of the term 'beat generation, especially kerouac spoke
> of
>
'beating his way' in letters
>
>
James Stauffer wrote:
>
>
> In an earlier GAN post Bill Gargan refers to the possible influence
> of
>
> Dos Passos on JK and others. This
has intrigued me also. Does
>
anyone
>
> recall any references of Jacks to John DP? It seems so obvious, the
>
>
> same way one wouldn't need to have evidence that Jack was influenced
> by
>
> Thomas Wolfe, but it would be nice to have some evidence.
>
>
>
> J. Stauffer
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At
08:25 AM 11/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On
Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Paul A. Maher Jr. wrote:
>>
>I thought it was about what he "read" and not what he
"heard."
>paul
-
>yes
it was. BUT i think that an author like kerouac, an author who put so
>much
stock in rhythm and sound of words who was so influenced by the
>musical
in text (for instance the improv of his breatpocket notebook
>poems,
riffing in a certain space) means that kerouac cannot solely be
>examined
in terms of written "text" & not only that but i sought to expand
>the
definition of "text" here on beat-L by introducing the idea of text
as
>being
anything that is recieved.
>yrs
>derek
>Kerouac
had to arrive at what he accomplished with "riffing" when he
emulated
beforehand the various literary influences he had read throughout
his
youth and young adult-hood. Just as he had to learn English before he
could
write fluently in the language...surely there are stages of writing
necessary
before one can arrive with a breakthrough that you can call your
own. I
was remarking earlier on his influences as a writer in general and
not
refinement of his technique. P.
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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At
12:23 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi
Paul,
>
> I visited Kerouac Quarterly site again
this morning and it's
>certainly
expanded! - nice. However, I was getting Netscape errors, perhaps
>because
as a neo-luddite I'm still using version 2.0. Also the jpeg of
>Rinaldo's
cover of On the Road would not load completely...just got a
>heavily
pixellated view. Is that also my version of Netscape or are others
>having
similar problems? ...anyone else?
>
> I took a copy of the jpeg and it seems
to be partial interlaced image.
>
> I also downloaded Bob Martin's song
about Stella Kerouac - I'll go
>back
to sample the others.
>
> Antoine
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>cease
to be amused."
>Go
to Netscape and dowload for free the newest version. That is what I have
used
for the web page and seems to need at least that for the nuances of the
page.
Thanks, Paul...
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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If any
beat-l members are subscribers to ESPN sportszone (unfortunately
I'm
not), there's a column about Kerouac and his days as a promising
halfback.
The story is for subscribers only, and if anyone out there has
access
to the story I'm sure the list would appreciate yr posting it on
beat-l.
Here's where to go:
http://espn.sportszone.com/premium/gen/columns/isaacs/00447592.html
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At
22:31 10/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I
don't know about "great" but there are some American Novels that
>profoundly
shaped my way of looking at reality.
Some aren't really
>novels
even. But, from the time I was about 16
to 24 or so, those
>were,
in a general order of discovery:
>
>The
Good Earth
>Catch
22
>Slaughterhouse
5
>Moby
Dick
>Trout
Fishing in America
>A
Confederate General in Big Sur (?)
>Thomas
Wolfe's work
>Bob
Dylan (I saw it in a different light after
reading Wolfe)
>Jack
Kerouac
>V
>The
Crying of Lot 49
>Phillip
Dick's Science Fiction work
>T S
Eliot
>Ginsberg
>Studs
Turkle (sp?)
>The
Last Tycoon (Fitzgerald's unfinished novel)
>Michener
>
>I
think I stuck to American writers there, but maybe not.
>
>Outside
of America, in order as I recall:
>
>Dickens
>Shakespear
>The
Kazamarov Brothers (sp)
>Steppenwolf
>I,
Claudius
>The
White Goddess
>King
Jesus
>Tom
Jones (came to it rather late for some reason)
>
>I
think that at various times I have imagined the GAN, but I am not
>sure
that a writer can capture the spirit of America in one book. If
>there
is one, I think it would be Of Time and the River by Wolfe. It
>is
a hard read, but it captures the spirit best of anything that I
>have
read. My second choice would be Dharma
Bums, although, I think
>The
Last Tycoon is a masterpiece that did not receive its just due.
>
Yes,
let's not restrict ourselves to American novels. I'd be interested in
hearing
what others think are the greatest novels they've read, American or
otherwise.
Here's
my (short) list:
The
Stranger (aka The Outsider) -- Camus
The
Demon -- Hubert Selby
The
Room -- Hubert Selby
Naked
Lunch -- WSB
Hunger
-- Knut Hamsun
Great
Gatsby -- Fitzgerald
Notes
From The Underground -- Dosty
I think
Selby is incredibly under-appreciated. I think he's a master. I
also
think Alexander Trocchi's book "Young Adam" deserves an honourable
mention,
but that just might be the existentialist in me talking!
Glenn
C.
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well, i
like my ocean idea as well, but now we have to classify it,
and
then name it, and then assign it a place in relation to all
other
oceans...does it ever stop?
j
donahue
On Mon,
10 Nov 1997, Tyson Ouellette wrote:
>
>well, i like the idea, but why a stream?
wouldnt an ocean be a
>
>better metaphor? rather than
linear, it is infested with cross-
>
>currents, but all contained somehow in this great expanse...
>
>just a thought.
>
> definitely... i'm a victim of writing
e-mail on the fly, without
>
thinking about what i write before i write it... ocean is definitely
>
better.
>
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Kathleen
Beres wrote:
>
>
well, i like my ocean idea as well, but now we have to classify it,
>
and then name it, and then assign it a place in relation to all
>
other oceans...does it ever stop?
> j
donahue
don't
forget how many paragraphs between El Nino effects!
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
>
> On
Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Tyson Ouellette wrote:
>
>
> >well, i like the idea, but why a stream? wouldnt an ocean be a
>
> >better metaphor? rather than
linear, it is infested with cross-
>
> >currents, but all contained somehow in this great expanse...
>
> >just a thought.
>
>
>
> definitely... i'm a victim of
writing e-mail on the fly, without
>
> thinking about what i write before i write it... ocean is definitely
>
> better.
>
>
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Adrien
Begrand wrote:
>
>
Jack Kerouac on classic 'structured' poetry:
>
> "Our savants all have bad
taste.---Imagine Robt.Frost being better
than
>
Thoreau, because of a few verse tricks.---I can take out a ruler and
>
measure too. I can even tell you how high a tree is by use of
>
geometry.---This makes me Archimedes? Lines make a poem?---I've seen
>
true poems in the middle of formless fortunate explanations, heard them
> in
the street & admired & forget them right there. Robert me No
>
Frost---Penn Warren me no more---" (Some Of The Dharma, p.120)
>
>
This was written in early fall 1954, right when Allen Ginsberg was
>
starting to follow Jack's example, to avoid the middle of the road and
> head
for the ditch (sorry, that's a Neil Young quote!).
>
>
Adrien
This
reminds me of talking with folks during graduate school somewhere
sometime
(i think) about assignments to read Heidegger.
Their heads
were
all contorted from trying to process the information and calculate
the
strings of thought and evidently my head did not appear contorted.
When
asked why -- i just said it's poetic philosophy don't try to turn
it into
something it ain't. Lines. Definitely they can appear
anywhere.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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I must
say I really enjoyed this post. I think
there are a number of good
observations
and insights.
I
remember back about 10 years ago when I had access to a great university
library
and had a lot of time to read and study i was reading kerouac and
others
(Joyce especially) and was checking out failry obscure books on Joyce
and
Finnegans Wake. In reading them i
really got a sense of deja vu at
times
having to do with kerouac's stuff. I
got the feeling that kerouac had
been
there before in terms of these obscure tomes and I saw it reflected in
Visions
of Cody and Dr. Sax. I have no notes
from back then and remember
few
details. I think one book was Skeleton
Guide (by Joseph Campbell and
Robinson)to
Finnegans Wake. (I remember I had an
idea to jot down all the
coincidences
I was seeing but nothing ever came of it).
Also I
felt that Pic and the vernacular he used to try and write it were
inspired
by Zora Neale Hurston. I felt he read
her books as well. I think
the
similarity in the vernacular prose and later (I've mentioned this
before)
the use of Moultrie as last name for the Sal character in the dry
runs
for On the Road could come from something mentioned in Their Eyes Were
watching
God by Hurston. This was the ame time
frame he was writing Pic
and the
various dry runs or false starts for On the Road.
I think
around that time he was reading and writing and learning at a fast
rate
and absorbing. I'd agree that later he
reached a more personal voice
in the
later books. I might even begin with
Desolation Angels where he got
to that
point.
I also
won't flame you about Some of the Dharma because I tend to agree with
you. But at the same time it was not freshman
rhetoric of 1954 but would be
of
today. I think that Goddard's Buddhist
Bible was cited as a key
reference
book he found about Buddhism. Also he
may have translated some
french
tests on Buddhism. Some of the Dharma
becomes intriguing not as a
Buddhist
textbook but as a Kerouac piece.
At
09:53 AM 11/11/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear
Sherri, Antoine, et. al.,
>
>Good
question! Doing a study of an author's reading list is a very cool
>idea.
I glanced at a full-length, scholarly book on Thoreau's reading,
>though
I didn't have the gumption to pursue it. I know of no better
>readily
available source for learning what Kerouac was reading at
>specific
points in his life than Nicosia's MEMORY BABE.
>
>My
opinion is that Kerouac was very suggestible and that his writing was
>easily
influenced by his reading. He tended to be imitative of what he
>was
reading. I believe that he developed his own voice very gradually,
>and
became fully mature in this regard perhaps only very late in his
>career
- when he was, sadly, tired and loaded.
>
>It's
an accepted critical notion that THE TOWN AND THE CITY was
>imitative
of Thomas Wolfe. (Reread the second sentence in that book for
>a
perfect example of over-writing.) Of course Kerouac's genius begins to
>be
evident in ON THE ROAD, but can we imagine Jack writing like that
>without
taking into account his correspondence with Neal Cassady? Jack
>was
blown away not only by Neal's talk, but also by the fact that NEAL
>COULD
WRITE THE WAY HE TALKED. And it is Neal's voice that is the basic
>model
for the prose style of ON THE ROAD. VISIONS OF CODY of course
>transcended
this imitative bent and is a better book (though it is, of
>course,
Jack's attempt at writing his own ULYSSES.)
>
>Now
I expect to be flamed here, but I think a lot of Jack's Buddhist
>writing
is an embarrassing imitation of the antique translations found
>in
Dwight Goddard's BUDDHIST BIBLE. And Jack's philosophizing in SOME OF
>THE
DHARMA is so much freshman rhetoric (for my money, anyway...tho I
>admit
I haven't read SOTD all the way through.)
>
>Strangely,
I think Jack's most personal voice comes through in VANITY OF
>DULUOZ
and BIG SUR, though these books, (like all of 'em), are heavily
>flawed.
I remember reading that Jack was reading Pascal around the time
>he
wrote VOD.
>
>Try
reading THE TOWN AND THE CITY and VANITY OF DULUOZ, (which cover
>almost
the same time periods in Jack's life), back to back, and the
>essense
of Kerouac - and the evolution of his writing style - will hit
>you
like a freight train.
>
>Gotta
go...I'm at work.
>
>love,
john h.
>--
>
>
>***
JOHN HASBROUCK
>***
Graphic Design & Fingerstyle Guitar in Chicago
>***
http://www.tezcat.com/~jhasbro
>
>
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As
responses to my first post about the possibility, let me rephrase my
question
(i feel many people misunderstood me):
If Jack kerouac's spirit has been
reincarnated into another body
(Jack
himself believed in reincarnation (je pense)), what would he be
doing
in modern times? Would he be a
writer? Would he be famous? Would
he be a
director?
I
didn't intend for people to write back saying "There will never be
another
Kerouac, get over it." I just
wanted to see what you all think.
THE
GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL
I think
it is important to rate books. Someone
wrote "I read everything."
It is
impossible to read EVERYTHING, so we must edit our list of things to
read. It is important to say "this is better
than that." There is a lot
of
crappy literature out there, and i don't want to waste my life reading
it. A few days a go i had a discussion with my
creative writing professor
(the
poet Peter Cooley) and i told him that i don't want to read anything
that
doesn't change my life, and i still feel this way. Great literature
changes
our lives. I've been feeling lonely
lately because i've been
reading
Look Homeward, Angel. the most tender
book i've ever read. (i
may even
argue that it is the GAN. And i do read
essays (im a philosophy
major,
dammit) and i think Thomas Wolfe's essay, "God's lonely man" from
the
Hills Beyond is absolutely beautiful.
Great literature tells us
something
about ourselves. It pulls something out
of the great ocean of
unconscious
and puts it right in front of our eyes.
Other
recommendations for the GAN:
Visons
of Cody (hell, the book's dedication page reads: "Dedicated to
America,
whatever that is)
Gatsby
(the tragic destruction of the American Dream)
On the
Road (finding meaning in an America which found its dream
destroyed)
Last
Tycoon (god damn, i wish this book was finished--that is tragic
enough
to put this one up there)
In Our
Time (Hemingway's best. Maybe not a novel
defined by conventional
means,
but it is wonderful)
and im
sure there more but my memories shot.
-matt
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Thanks
for this post. I'll go and check
Gerry's footnotes and see if I can tak
e it
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I tend
to think in terms of authors rather than books, but there are
exceptions
I guess. Usually an author and his or
her entire oeuvre are
worth
reading if one book is a "classic" or immortal or really really good
or
whatever we want to call it.
I
remember when I was young (I mean 19, 20) I thought there was the big 5:
Joyce,
Kerouac, Celine, Miller and Burroughs.
I was taking a creative
writing
class back then and mentioned this to an older fellow (older then,
he was
probably as old as I am now, mid thirties).
He answered: "yeah, all
the
weirdos".
I
didn't think of them as weirdos per se but just who I was keen on. Now I
would
only include Kerouac and Joyce in the big group.
It is
hard to say why one author or book might do something for one peron
but not
another and any of these lists will end up like that. But at the
same
time there can be appreciation of work that doesn't do "it" for you
but
does it for someone else. For example
people have mentioned Heminhway
and
Fitzgerald. I remember they made us
read A Clean Well Lighted Place and
the Old
Man and the Sea and they made us read The Great Gatsby back in High
School. I must say Gatsby did very little for me nor
did Hemingway, but I
didn't
dislike them. Similarly Faulkner never
did "it" for me. I might
appreciate
them more now. I think taste changes
over time and appreciation
changes. And I think there are young books and older books
and ageless books.
Authors
my list (short)
Kerouac
(of course why am I on this list)
Joyce
Philip
K. Dick (good call by John)
Zora
Neale Hurston (a totally amazing oeuvre from anthropology to fiction
and
it's all part of the same whole)
Lu Xun
(a Chinese writer who was pretty much a contemporay of Joyce. He died
in
1936. It is sad that his works aren't published by any major publisher in
the US
or Britain).
Vonnegut
(I avoided him for a long time due to reverse snobbery when I was
younger
as he was so popular. I was wrong. Talking about influences or
imitations
I think he got a lot from Celine but that's just a guess).
(I also
must add Gore Vidal, not because of any great literary impact of
lasting,
but historically when I was in High scool I read most of his books.
To me
his stuff kind of hovers between fiction and literature. Of his stuff
Messiah
from the fifties would be the one and Burr for the non-fiction
fictions. The fact that Vidal rewrote Messiah as Kalki
later in the 70's I
think
exemplifies his overall place--in other words he's a good writer but
didn't
do "it".)
Then
might come books.
Junky
Tropic
of Capricorn
Catcher
in the Rye
Gogol's
Diary of a Madman and other stories
Les
Chants de Maldoror by DuCasse (Comte de Lautreamont)
Journey
to the End of Night by Celine
Ubu Roi
Of
these with the exception of Gogol I don't know if I would reccommend or
like
them today. I think these are young
books. But they did stick with me
enough
to mention them now.
Oh
yes, and
The
Journey to the West the old story of the Monkey King and how the Buddha
set it
up so the scriptures could be brought to the East from the West and
the
adventures of the gang that went to get them.
Another book that would
be hard
to find at most bookstores.
Then
there could be the non-fictions
DT
Suzuki's Intro to Zen Buddhism
Thomas
a Kempis' Imitation of Christ
I read
the Suzuki before the a kempis and was struck by the great
similarities
in them.
I don't
know,
I know
there are more. I remember reading
Levi's page of his favorite 15
books
and wondering what mine would be.
And all these things are so subjective. I clearly had a penchant for
surrealism
and things like that in my youth.
Now I
read mainly non-fiction.
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A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:
Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
Shakespeare - everything
Thomas Wolfe - everything
D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment Plan,
Guignol's Band
Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
Jack London
Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
The Bible
Indian Scriptures
The Buddhist Bible
Ernest Hemingway
William Faulkner- Pylon
Thomas Mann
Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
A number of Buddhist texts
Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
Gogol - Dead Souls
Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
Lawrence Ferlinghetti
Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake,
Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man
John Keats
Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
Honore de Balzac
A Biography of George Washington
W.H. Auden
Ezra Pound
Francois Rabelais
William Saroyan
Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
Arthur Rimbaud
The Tibetan Book of the Dead
John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
John Steinbeck - East of Eden
Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
Kafka - The Castle
Edgar Allan Poe
Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
Stendahl - The Red and the Black
William Penn - Maxims
Greek Philosophy
The Shadow
William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
Mark Twain
Yeats
Gertrude Stein
T.S. Eliot
Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is simply
documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc. that he had read them. Some
he
didn't even like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel free to add
to this
list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac Quarterly Web
Site.
Thanks, Paul...
(courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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Thanks
for posting the K. reading list, Paul.
This could make a nice Beat-l p
roject. People could post new titles they discover
to the list, with a note pe
rhaps
on the source of their information, i.e.
"The 42nd Parallel"
letter to
Alfred
Kazin, v. 2 p. 112 of Selected Letters.
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Paul
and others,
To more fully respond to Sherri's post
it would be really great to
get
dates for these readings....
Antoine
****************
>A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:
>
> Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
> Shakespeare - everything
> Thomas Wolfe - everything
> D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
> William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
> Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
> Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment Plan,
> Guignol's Band
> Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
> Jack London
> Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
> The Bible
> Indian Scriptures
> The Buddhist Bible
> Ernest Hemingway
> William Faulkner- Pylon
> Thomas Mann
> Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
> Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
> Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
> Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
> A number of Buddhist texts
> Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
> Gogol - Dead Souls
> Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
> Lawrence Ferlinghetti
> Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
> James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait
of the Artist As a Young Man
> John Keats
> Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
> Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
> Honore de Balzac
> A Biography of George Washington
> W.H. Auden
> Ezra Pound
> Francois Rabelais
> William Saroyan
> Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
> Arthur Rimbaud
> The Tibetan Book of the Dead
> John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
> Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
> H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
> John Steinbeck - East of Eden
> Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
> Kafka - The Castle
> Edgar Allan Poe
> Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
> Stendahl - The Red and the Black
> William Penn - Maxims
> Greek Philosophy
> The Shadow
> William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
> Mark Twain
> Yeats
> Gertrude Stein
> T.S. Eliot
>
> Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is simply
>documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc. that he had read them. Some
>he
didn't even like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel free to add
>to
this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac Quarterly Web
>Site.
Thanks, Paul...
>
> (courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>
Henry David Thoreau
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
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cease
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Subject: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List
A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and =
there:
Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
Shakespeare - everything
Thomas Wolfe - everything
D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment =
Plan,
Guignol's Band
Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
Jack London
Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
The Bible
Indian Scriptures
The Buddhist Bible
Ernest Hemingway
William Faulkner- Pylon
Thomas Mann
Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
A number of Buddhist texts
Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
Gogol - Dead Souls
Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
Lawrence Ferlinghetti
Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake,
Portrait of the Artist As a =
Young
Man
John Keats
Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
Honore de Balzac
A Biography of George Washington
W.H. Auden
Ezra Pound
Francois Rabelais
William Saroyan
Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
Arthur Rimbaud
The Tibetan Book of the Dead
John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
John Steinbeck - East of Eden
Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
Kafka - The Castle
Edgar Allan Poe
Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
Stendahl - The Red and the Black
William Penn - Maxims
Greek Philosophy
The Shadow
William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
Mark Twain
Yeats
Gertrude Stein
T.S. Eliot
Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is =
simply
documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc. that he had read them. =
Some
he
didn't even like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel free to =
add
to this
list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac Quarterly =
Web
Site.
Thanks, Paul...
(courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our =
virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
sorry
to bother you, but I am not very computer-friendly, and I have =
some
how gotten in on this group... Can you please tell me how to =
unsubscribe?
thank you very
much.
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At
08:50 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Paul
and others,
>
> To more fully respond to Sherri's post
it would be really great to
>get
dates for these readings....
> Antoine
>
>Antoine
and others - That kind of research is all part of the charm of my
new
book which is out there looking for a publisher. It takes a lot of
pinning
down but one can find this information in Selected Letters for a
start.
I will try to put some dates to these and place them on the web page.
Now...I
will add more readings at the end of this list to make it as
comprehensive
as possible. Of course, we will never get every thing he ever
read.
****************
>
>>A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:
>>
>> Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
>> Shakespeare - everything
>> Thomas Wolfe - everything
>> D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
>> William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
>> Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
>> Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment Plan,
>> Guignol's Band
>> Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
>> Jack London
>> Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
>> The Bible
>> Indian Scriptures
>> The Buddhist Bible
>> Ernest Hemingway
>> William Faulkner- Pylon
>> Thomas Mann
>> Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
>> Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
>> Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
>> Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
>> A number of Buddhist texts
>> Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
>> Gogol - Dead Souls
>> Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
>> Lawrence Ferlinghetti
>> Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
>> James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake,
Portrait of the Artist As a
Young
Man
>> John Keats
>> Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
>> Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
>> Honore de Balzac
>> A Biography of George Washington
>> W.H. Auden
>> Ezra Pound
>> Francois Rabelais
>> William Saroyan
>> Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
>> Arthur Rimbaud
>> The Tibetan Book of the Dead
>> John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
>> Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
>> H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
>> John Steinbeck - East of Eden
>> Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
>> Kafka - The Castle
>> Edgar Allan Poe
>> Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
>> Stendahl - The Red and the Black
>> William Penn - Maxims
>> Greek Philosophy
>> The Shadow
>> William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
>> Mark Twain
>> Yeats
>> Gertrude Stein
>> T.S. Eliot
>> Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass
W.H. Auden
e.e. cummings
Emily Dickinson
Henry David Thoreau
Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is simply
>>documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had
read
them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel
free to
add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac
Quarterly
Web
>>Site
and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...
>>
>> (courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
>>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>>
Henry David Thoreau
>>
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>cease
to be amused."
>
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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At
02:41 PM 11/11/97 UT, you wrote:
>Can't
find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding
>JK's
being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew
of
>any
books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before (and
>during)
the writing of any particular book.
this would be a fascinating and
>illuminating
study. anyone on the list ever done any
such research?
>
>ciao, sherri
>sherri
- I will pull the research I did for my book and incorporate it into
an
article for the Kerouac Quarterly. This is precisely what my book Looking
For
Jack involves. I placed an excerpt of it concerning Shakespeare in the
second
issue. I really put a lot of time in the work and will be quite
detailed
whenever it comes out. P.
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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Paul,
thanks. that would be great! please let me know when that issue is
available.
ciao,
sherri
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At
02:41 PM 11/11/97 UT, you wrote:
>Can't
find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding
>JK's
being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew
of
>any
books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before (and
>during)
the writing of any particular book.
this would be a fascinating and
>illuminating
study. anyone on the list ever done any
such research?
>
>ciao, sherri
>sherri
- I will pull the research I did for my book and incorporate it into
an
article for the Kerouac Quarterly. This is precisely what my book Looking
For
Jack involves. I placed an excerpt of it concerning Shakespeare in the
second
issue. I really put a lot of time in the work and will be quite
detailed
whenever it comes out. P.
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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he must
have read Robert Frost, given his comments about him....
sherri
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At
08:50 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Paul
and others,
>
> To more fully respond to Sherri's post
it would be really great to
>get
dates for these readings....
> Antoine
>
>Antoine
and others - That kind of research is all part of the charm of my
new
book which is out there looking for a publisher. It takes a lot of
pinning
down but one can find this information in Selected Letters for a
start.
I will try to put some dates to these and place them on the web page.
Now...I
will add more readings at the end of this list to make it as
comprehensive
as possible. Of course, we will never get every thing he ever
read.
****************
>
>>A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:
>>
>> Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
>> Shakespeare - everything
>> Thomas Wolfe - everything
>> D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
>> William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
>> Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
>> Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment Plan,
>> Guignol's Band
>> Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
>> Jack London
>> Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
>> The Bible
>> Indian Scriptures
>> The Buddhist Bible
>> Ernest Hemingway
>> William Faulkner- Pylon
>> Thomas Mann
>> Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
>> Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
>> Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
>> Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
>> A number of Buddhist texts
>> Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
>> Gogol - Dead Souls
>> Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
>> Lawrence Ferlinghetti
>> Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
>> James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake,
Portrait of the Artist As a
Young
Man
>> John Keats
>> Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
>> Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
>> Honore de Balzac
>> A Biography of George Washington
>> W.H. Auden
>> Ezra Pound
>> Francois Rabelais
>> William Saroyan
>> Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
>> Arthur Rimbaud
>> The Tibetan Book of the Dead
>> John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
>> Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
>> H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
>> John Steinbeck - East of Eden
>> Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
>> Kafka - The Castle
>> Edgar Allan Poe
>> Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
>> Stendahl - The Red and the Black
>> William Penn - Maxims
>> Greek Philosophy
>> The Shadow
>> William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
>> Mark Twain
>> Yeats
>> Gertrude Stein
>> T.S. Eliot
>> Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass
W.H. Auden
e.e. cummings
Emily Dickinson
Henry David Thoreau
Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is simply
>>documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had
read them.
Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel
free to
add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac
Quarterly
Web
>>Site
and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...
>>
>> (courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
>>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>>
Henry David Thoreau
>>
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>cease
to be amused."
>
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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In a
message dated 97-11-11 17:31:07 EST, you write:
<<
I think Selby is incredibly under-appreciated. I think he's a master. >>
Hubert
Selby is a monster writer and should be discussed on this list more
often. I heartily agree with your selections,
Glenn, but I'm curious as to
why you
left off Last Exit to Brooklyn. Isn't
it as least as good as The
Demon
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Maybe
if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the
info we
can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up
on but
most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name
to the
bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of
contributor
if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then
transfer
the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give
the
list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here
on the
list.
I was thinking of starting the same kind of
list with a chronological
order
to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..
> ****************
>>
>>>A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:
>>>
>>> Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
>>> Shakespeare - everything
>>> Thomas Wolfe - everything
>>> D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
>>> William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
>>> Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
>>> Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment Plan,
>>> Guignol's Band
>>> Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
>>> Jack London
>>> Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
>>> The Bible
>>> Indian Scriptures
>>> The Buddhist Bible
>>> Ernest Hemingway
>>> William Faulkner- Pylon
>>> Thomas Mann
>>> Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
>>> Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
>>> Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
>>> Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
>>> A number of Buddhist texts
>>> Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
>>> Gogol - Dead Souls
>>> Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
>>> Lawrence Ferlinghetti
>>> Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
>>> James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake,
Portrait of the Artist As a
>Young
Man
>>> John Keats
>>> Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
>>> Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
>>> Honore de Balzac
>>> A Biography of George Washington
>>> W.H. Auden
>>> Ezra Pound
>>> Francois Rabelais
>>> William Saroyan
>>> Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
>>> Arthur Rimbaud
>>> The Tibetan Book of the Dead
>>> John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
>>> Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
>>> H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
>>> John Steinbeck - East of Eden
>>> Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
>>> Kafka - The Castle
>>> Edgar Allan Poe
>>> Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
>>> Stendahl - The Red and the Black
>>> William Penn - Maxims
>>> Greek Philosophy
>>> The Shadow
>>> William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
>>> Mark Twain
>>> Yeats
>>> Gertrude Stein
>>> T.S. Eliot
>>> Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass
> W.H. Auden
> e.e. cummings
> Emily Dickinson
> Henry David Thoreau
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
Robert Frost (Sherri)
42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin)
Bill Gargan
>>> Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is simply
>>>documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had
>read
them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel
>free
to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac
>Quarterly
Web
>>>Site
and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...
>>>
>>> (courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
>>>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>>> Henry David Thoreau
>>>
>>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>>
>> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>>cease
to be amused."
>>
>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>
Henry David Thoreau
>
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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Paul,
That's great of you to do that. Bill's
idea is also great...what a
project!
...and
to all,
Seeing
e.e.cummimgs on Jack's reading list forces me to put one of cummings'
most
"beat" poems for everyone to comment on. I haven't ever heard him
read,
but I
would love to hear this as he would read it...(have readt it!) Anyone
ever
hear any recordings of him?
And after it two in honour of
Remembrance day. Give these all a
chance...spare
them your too quick delete key!
Antoine
*****************
....I love the
rush at the end of this....
from
"1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)
pity this busy monster,manunkind,
not.
Progress is a comfortable disease:
your victim(death and life safely
beyond)
plays with the bigness of his
littleness
---electrons deify one razorblade
into a mountainrange;lenses extend
unwish through curving wherewhen till
unwish
returns on its unself.
A
world of made
is not a world of born--pity poor flesh
and trees,poor stars and stones,but
never this
fine specimen of hypermagical
ultraomnipotence. We doctors know
a hopeless case if--listen:there's a
hell
of a good universe next door;let's go
*****************
Typed in on
Remembrance day after standing
at the
cenotaph at 11:00am
with men who
were in the wars with my Dad,
my
Granda, my Uncles....
from
"is 5" (1926)
look at this)
a 75 done
this nobody would
have believed
would they no
kidding this was my particular
pal
funny aint
it we was
buddies
i used to
know
him lift the
poor cuss
tenderly this side up handle
with care
fragile
and send him home
to his old mother in
a new pine box
(collect
**************
His anti-war
poems are weapons themselves!
Another....
from
"1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)
plato told
him;he couldn't
believe it(jesus
told him;he
wouldn't believe
it)lao
tsze
certainly told
him,and general
(yes
mam)
sherman;
and even
(believe it
or
not)you
told him;i told
him;we told him
(he didn't believe it,no
sir)it took
a nipponized bit of
the old sixth
avenue
el;in the top of his head:to tell
him
I can remeber
as a kid (probably '52 - '53)
the big
discussion when
a small toy
birdcage - made in japan - broke
open
and was revealed
to be made of
a 'birdseye' pea can.......
read e.e.cummings
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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My
picks for Greatest Novels (Great American or other). Please respond or
ignore
at will.
On the
Road
Doctor
Sax Jack Kerouac
Slaughterhouse
Five
Breakfast
of Champions Kurt Vonnegut
Lord of
the Rings J.R.R. Tolkien
Something
Wicked This Way Comes
Dandelion
Wine Ray Bradbury
The
Stranger
The
Plague Albert Camus
The
Book of Laughter and Forgetting
The
Joke Milan Kundera
The Tin
Drum Gunter Grass
Libra
Mao
II Don Delillo
The
Painted Bird Jerzy
Kozinski (sp)
Invisible
Man Ralph Ellison
Tough
Guys Don't Dance Norman Mailer
Woman
in the Dunes Kobo Abe
Botchan Natsume Soseki
The
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Mark Twain
The
Atlas William T. Vollmann
:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::
Timothy
Hoffman
Komaki
English Teaching Center (KETC)
Komaki
Shiminkaikan, KETC
2-107
Komaki
Komaki,
Aichi 485
work
(0568) 76-0905
fax
(0568) 77-8207
home
(0568)72-3549
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From: Maggie Gerrity [SMTP:u2ginsberg@YAHOO.COM]
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Subject: Re: hooray for Vonnegut!
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one
who thinks Vonnegut is
one of
the Great American Writers of our time.
Aside from the Beats
and
possibly Hemingway, he's the only great writer 20th Century
America
has ever had. It's so tragic that he
claims he's written his
last
book!
Maggie G.
speaking
of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?
Janelle
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A poem
of Ron Whitehead's Tyson......very Beat!
there's another I have that I'll send
when I find it.
Antoine
*******************
SAN
FRANCISCO, MAY 1993
Visited Lawrence Ferlinghetti
Flew to San Francisco
Super Shuttled to City Lights
keys at the front desk
with address and map
Wandered streets Kerouac Alley Kenneth Rexroth Place
lost for hours
small suitcase
weighed down with
heavy words "The Mask
is the Path of the Star"
Diane di Prima's chapbook
Published in
Heaven Series Whie Fields Press
limited edition of 50 copies
to meet her
and have them
signed
Where is Diane di Prima
on Laguna Haight-Ashbury San Francisco Art Institute
"the
only war that matters is the war against the imagination"
and I'm searching for Diane di Prima
Where is Lawrence Ferlinghetti
on Francisco Telegraph Hill North Beach City Lights'
"Poets
come out of your closets
open your windows, open your doors,
You have been holed up too long
in your closed worlds..."
and I'm searching for Lawrence
Ferlinghetti
Walked Golden Gate
Bridge
holding Nancye's hand
into the wind
Alcatraz and
sailboats one bent
licking the lips of
the Bay waters
and the Pacific
sprays us with tears
of Chinese immigrants
who for forty days
and forty nights have stood on water
outside America's
door knocking
denied entry denied
Fisherman's wharf
seals singing
some burnt out old
hippie screeching
"I am a
rock I am an island"
for spare change from
laughing
lines of tourists
from around the world waiting
for trolley tours
lunch at Fish Alley
hike up Telegraph
Hill
what a view but
a statue of Columbus?
is this
is this a Columbus I
don't know about?
the other Columbus? The San Francisco
Telegraph Hill North
Beach Columbus?
Father Christopher
Columbus of
Our Lady of the Flowers?
no, Lawrence Ferlinghetti says
this is THE
Christopher Columbus.
"We tried to
spray paint his
hands red but
PoliceMen
surrounded him all
night
Columbus Day
Eve."
Christopher
Columbus Chief Joseph
Two histories
"Hear me, my
chiefs. I am tired; my heart
is sick and sad. From
where the sun now
stands. I will fight
no more forever."
walking
up hills bowing to gravity
leaning
backward with my long hair sweeping pigeon shit from the path
as I
descend the wind and the descent flatten me
and now
my muscles are green and yellow and red
pain flavored jello
Caffe
Puccini Caffe Verdi Caffe Trieste
espresso cappucino
Chinatown fresh fruit and vegetables
the smell of dead animals "whole
schools of fish,"
bulging eyes, "gasping on
counters" whispering
unheard
T'ai chi in the parks on the streets
movement before sunrise speeding speeding
into America
Hong Kong Mutant flu Killer virus
now after noon what do they think of me
walking here what do I look like to them
so different so alike
I want love to
have its way
is their society still as closed as Bruce
Lee found it
in 1962 North Beach and Oakland and
Sacramento
like
Kudzu Hong Kong money buying out the Italians
buying San Francisco
and searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti
I crawl through City Lights
so many writers' writings
and Lawrence Ferlinghetti is one
and James Joyce is one
and William Carlos Williams is one
and William Butler Yeats is one
and Walt Whitman is one
and William Blake is one
and Jack Kerouac Allen Ginsberg Diane di
Prima Amiri Baraka
John Holmes Herbert Huncke Gregory
Corso Michael McClure
Gary Snyder Robert Creeley Phillip
Lamantia William Burroughs
Anne Waldman Ed Sanders
POMES PENYEACH
POMES ALL SIZES
"Street Poetry"
Casting off "the anxiety of influence"
"the anxiety of
authorship"
"Make IT New!"
"First thought, best
thought"
"have an uninterrupted
curiosity"
"writing the mind"
"poet get out of the
inner aesthetic sanctum
where you have too long
been contemplating
your complicated navel"
and as
I search for Lawrence Ferlinghetti
feed the cat and look at photo of
Allen Ginsberg
and
Lorenzo swimming
Julie
why do men still drink wine
and women still water
Daniel Ortega's Minotaur keeps watchful eye
over
apartment stairs and Liberty's mask
like a gargoyle
guards his bedroom
paintings and posters of readings round
the world
cover the walls
TRAVELS IN AMERICA DESERTA on the
shelf
Alcatraz in the distance
3rd World Voices monks Ernesto
Cardinal Nicanor Parra
Daniel Berrigan Thomas Merton pierce the world's terrors
chanting
Shelley's "Declaration of
Rights"
"Government has no
rights; it
is a delegation from
several
individuals for the
purpose of
securing their own."
and
searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti
I look
in A CONEY ISLAND OF THE MIND and
PICTURES OF THE GONE WORLD
bearing gifts I come
photos of his journey through
Kentucky
standing at Merton's grave Literary Gethsemani
memories of drinking Budweisers
at The Doo Drop Inn
"Nice people Dancing to
Good Country Music"
and I've come bearing gifts
tapes of his reading in
Louisville
jazz between poems
silence
between poems
blank spaces on the walls between
paintings
and My Old Kentucky Home
is still singing
your song
and I'm
searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti
"the one
who'll shake the ones unshaken
the fearless
one
the one without bullshit"
and walking out his front door
from Bolinas from Lorenzo from trees
and back
roads
he arrives in an old white Toyota truck
ascetic monk of North Beach
satirical wit ironic humor
wisdom
southern hospitality in
San Francisco, California
handing Lawrence Ferlinghetti his keys at the end of our
visit
shaking
hands saying thanks homage
Super Shuttle to
airport Kentucky
and searching for Lawrence
Ferlinghetti
on the plane I read from the book he signed
"Christ
climbed down
from his bare
tree
this year
and softly stole
away into
some anonymous Mary's womb again
where in the
darkest night
of everybody's
anonymous soul
He awaits again
an unimaginable
and impossibly
Immaculate
Reconception
the very
craziest
of Second
Comings."
To Lawrence
Ferlinghetti
Pax
Vobiscum
Ron
Whitehead
on
flight from San Francisco
to Kentucky
11:33PM
5/24/93
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Ginsberg,
Burroughs, Corso, McClure, di Prima, Rexroth, Cassady because they
were
all friends and discussed their work...
Rimbaud
(1960 or before) wrote the poem
"Rimbaud" in 1960, it's in "Scattered
Poems"
Proust,
Samuel Johnson, Boswell, Dante, Cervantes, Hesse (Steppenwolf),
Nietzsche,
R. L. Stevenson (Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde) because he mentions them in
"Big
Sur" (1962) (this may be a partial
listing - haven't had a chance to go
through
the entire book)
sherri
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading
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Maybe
if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the
info we
can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up
on but
most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name
to the
bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of
contributor
if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then
transfer
the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give
the
list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here
on the
list.
I was thinking of starting the same kind of
list with a chronological
order
to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..
> ****************
>>
>>>A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:
>>>
>>> Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
>>> Shakespeare - everything
>>> Thomas Wolfe - everything
>>> D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
>>> William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
>>> Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
>>> Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment Plan,
>>> Guignol's Band
>>> Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
>>> Jack London
>>> Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
>>> The Bible
>>> Indian Scriptures
>>> The Buddhist Bible
>>> Ernest Hemingway
>>> William Faulkner- Pylon
>>> Thomas Mann
>>> Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
>>> Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
>>> Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
>>> Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
>>> A number of Buddhist texts
>>> Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
>>> Gogol - Dead Souls
>>> Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
>>> Lawrence Ferlinghetti
>>> Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
>>> James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake,
Portrait of the Artist As a
>Young
Man
>>> John Keats
>>> Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
>>> Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
>>> Honore de Balzac
>>> A Biography of George Washington
>>> W.H. Auden
>>> Ezra Pound
>>> Francois Rabelais
>>> William Saroyan
>>> Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
>>> Arthur Rimbaud
>>> The Tibetan Book of the Dead
>>> John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
>>> Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
>>> H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
>>> John Steinbeck - East of Eden
>>> Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
>>> Kafka - The Castle
>>> Edgar Allan Poe
>>> Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
>>> Stendahl - The Red and the Black
>>> William Penn - Maxims
>>> Greek Philosophy
>>> The Shadow
>>> William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
>>> Mark Twain
>>> Yeats
>>> Gertrude Stein
>>> T.S. Eliot
>>> Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass
> W.H. Auden
> e.e. cummings
> Emily Dickinson
> Henry David Thoreau
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
Robert Frost (Sherri)
42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin)
Bill Gargan
>>> Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is simply
>>>documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had
>read
them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel
>free
to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac
>Quarterly
Web
>>>Site
and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...
>>>
>>> (courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
>>>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>>>
Henry David Thoreau
>>>
>>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>>
>> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>>cease
to be amused."
>>
>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>
Henry David Thoreau
>
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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by the
way, to any of you out there who have served this country in war -
thank
you. i'm glad you're still alive.
peace
& roses, sherri
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Subject: Re: Greatest Novels ...
for
Bradbury - i think "Fahrenheit 451" and "The Illustrated
Man" are greater
works,
although both of those you mention are wonderful. How about
"Foucault's
Pendulum" by Eco?
"Ulysses" by Joyce? we
could go on and on.
problem
is if we don't categorize this as 20th century
and American the list
could
take up the entire space we have on the list server.
ciao,
sherri
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Subject: Re: Greatest Novels ...
My
picks for Greatest Novels (Great American or other). Please respond or
ignore
at will.
On the
Road
Doctor
Sax Jack Kerouac
Slaughterhouse
Five
Breakfast
of Champions Kurt Vonnegut
Lord of
the Rings J.R.R. Tolkien
Something
Wicked This Way Comes
Dandelion
Wine Ray Bradbury
The Stranger
The
Plague Albert Camus
The
Book of Laughter and Forgetting
The
Joke Milan Kundera
The Tin
Drum Gunter Grass
Libra
Mao
II Don Delillo
The
Painted Bird Jerzy Kozinski
(sp)
Invisible
Man Ralph Ellison
Tough
Guys Don't Dance Norman Mailer
Woman
in the Dunes Kobo Abe
Botchan Natsume Soseki
The
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Mark Twain
The
Atlas William T. Vollmann
:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::
Timothy
Hoffman
Komaki
English Teaching Center (KETC)
Komaki
Shiminkaikan, KETC
2-107
Komaki
Komaki,
Aichi 485
work
(0568) 76-0905
fax
(0568) 77-8207
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Subject: Re: Jack Kerouac reading e.e.cummings
Antoine,
thanks for these. the second one is
heartbreaking.
ciao,
sherri
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Paul,
That's great of you to do that. Bill's
idea is also great...what a
project!
...and
to all,
Seeing
e.e.cummimgs on Jack's reading list forces me to put one of cummings'
most
"beat" poems for everyone to comment on. I haven't ever heard him
read,
but I
would love to hear this as he would read it...(have readt it!) Anyone
ever
hear any recordings of him?
And after it two in honour of
Remembrance day. Give these all a
chance...spare
them your too quick delete key!
Antoine
*****************
....I love the rush at the end of
this....
from
"1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)
pity this busy monster,manunkind,
not.
Progress is a comfortable disease:
your victim(death and life safely
beyond)
plays with the bigness of his
littleness
---electrons deify one razorblade
into a mountainrange;lenses extend
unwish through curving wherewhen till
unwish
returns on its unself.
A
world of made
is not a world of born--pity poor
flesh
and trees,poor stars and stones,but
never this
fine specimen of hypermagical
ultraomnipotence. We doctors know
a hopeless case if--listen:there's a
hell
of a good universe next door;let's go
*****************
Typed in on
Remembrance day after standing
at the
cenotaph at 11:00am
with men who
were in the wars with my Dad,
my
Granda, my Uncles....
from
"is 5" (1926)
look at this)
a 75 done
this nobody would
have believed
would they no
kidding this was my particular
pal
funny aint
it we was
buddies
i used to
know
him lift the
poor cuss
tenderly this side up handle
with care
fragile
and send him home
to his old mother in
a new pine box
(collect
**************
His anti-war
poems are weapons themselves!
Another....
from
"1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)
plato told
him;he couldn't
believe it(jesus
told him;he
wouldn't believe
it)lao
tsze
certainly told
him,and general
(yes
mam)
sherman;
and even
(believe it
or
not)you
told him;i told
him;we told him
(he didn't believe it,no
sir)it took
a nipponized bit of
the old sixth
avenue
el;in the top of his head:to tell
him
I can remeber as a kid (probably '52 - '53)
the big
discussion when
a small toy
birdcage - made in japan - broke
open
and was revealed
to be made of
a 'birdseye' pea can.......
read
e.e.cummings
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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Subject: Re: hooray for Vonnegut!
For
those who have read, and enjoyed, Vonnegut over the years it was a nice
"goodbye." Yet, I would have preferred, and I think it
would have been a
better
book, if he would have written a book of essays or another type of
non-fiction. Maybe an autobiography.
Jack Gregorio
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Janelle
wrote:
>
speaking of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?
I'm
reading "Timequake" right now, nearly through. The review I had read
prior
to picking up the book bitched about the fact that it's not a "real"
novel...that
the plot was all but non-existent, and in fact the book
appeared
to be ramblings and sketches and random sardonic musings...so, I
ask the
reviewer, what's your point? In fact,
I'm enjoying the hell out of
"Timequake." I can't remember the last time a book made
me laugh out loud.
Yes, it does have the air of an author's
final major work about it (much
as
"The Western Lands" did, in of course a very different way). But I
think
that the chance to be conscious that one is creating a final work is
rare indeed
(given the unpredictability of life and fate's twists), and the
creator
should enjoy and savor the opportunity, as should the observer. So
I
repeat what someone so aptly said earlier on this thread: Hooray for
Vonnegut!
Jym
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Alan
Harrington's "Secret Swinger" has popped up on the JK's Reading List
thread. I've been looking for a copy for some
time. Anyone out there know
where I
can find one?
Thanks,
Jym
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Jym
Mooney wrote:
>
>
Janelle wrote:
>
>
> speaking of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?
>
>
I'm reading "Timequake" right now, nearly through. The review I had read
>
prior to picking up the book bitched about the fact that it's not a
"real"
>
novel...that the plot was all but non-existent, and in fact the book
>
appeared to be ramblings and sketches and random sardonic musings...so, I
>
ask the reviewer, what's your point? In
fact, I'm enjoying the hell out of
>
"Timequake." I can't remember
the last time a book made me laugh out loud.
> Yes, it does have the air of an author's
final major work about it (much
> as
"The Western Lands" did, in of course a very different way). But I
>
think that the chance to be conscious that one is creating a final work is
>
rare indeed (given the unpredictability of life and fate's twists), and the
>
creator should enjoy and savor the opportunity, as should the observer. So
> I
repeat what someone so aptly said earlier on this thread: Hooray for
>
Vonnegut!
>
>
Jym
i
haven't read any Vonnegut yet but i have been to May Day parties at
his old
house off Brown Street in Iowa City.
i
wonder if they still have those parties.
you could really feel the
sensations
there. only place with more of those
sensations was in
Burroughs
house (and they were concentrated about 30 times as much
there).
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Subject: Re: Alan Harrington
Jym,
Look
for SECRET SWINGER on the web via WWW.BIBLIOFIND.COM or WWW.INTERLOC.COM
If they
don't have it, put it on their "wish list" and someone will probably
find a
copy. Good luck. Or maybe Jeffrey at Water Row has one.
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Subject: Re: hooray for Vonnegut!
i agree
Jym. Timequake (haven't finished it
yet) is wonderful and i think the
perfect
"Last Hurrah" before the curtain goes out.
ciao, sherri
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 8:25 PM
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Subject: Re: hooray for Vonnegut!
Janelle
wrote:
>
speaking of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?
I'm
reading "Timequake" right now, nearly through. The review I had read
prior
to picking up the book bitched about the fact that it's not a "real"
novel...that
the plot was all but non-existent, and in fact the book
appeared
to be ramblings and sketches and random sardonic musings...so, I
ask the
reviewer, what's your point? In fact,
I'm enjoying the hell out of
"Timequake." I can't remember the last time a book made
me laugh out loud.
Yes, it does have the air of an author's
final major work about it (much
as
"The Western Lands" did, in of course a very different way). But I
think
that the chance to be conscious that one is creating a final work is
rare
indeed (given the unpredictability of life and fate's twists), and the
creator
should enjoy and savor the opportunity, as should the observer. So
I
repeat what someone so aptly said earlier on this thread: Hooray for
Vonnegut!
Jym
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I'm working on this compilation of
criticisms (historical,
biographical,
and literary) and reviews of a group of Allen Ginsberg
poems
for which I have to write a 3 page opening essay. The title of
my
anthology is "Love, Death, and the Teachings of Allen Ginsberg."
Does
anyone have any suggestions of what audience to target in this
intro?
Scholars? Students? Fellow poets and/or Beat Lovers?
Also, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only
one who loves Vonnegut.
I
regret not discovering him sooner. Has anyone else heard that he'll
be
teaching in the MFA creative writing program at Long Island Univ.
starting
this summer? I'd like to make a pilgrimage to meet him,
seeing
he's the last great living American Writer, in my opinion.
Maggie
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>Jym,
>
>Look
for SECRET SWINGER on the web via WWW.BIBLIOFIND.COM or WWW.INTERLOC.COM
>If
they don't have it, put it on their "wish list" and someone will
probably
>find
a copy. Good luck. Or maybe Jeffrey at Water Row has one.
>
>Dave
B.
Thank
you so much for these urls. !!!!!
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Yes, let's not restrict ourselves to American novels. I'd be interested in
>
hearing what others think are the greatest novels they've read, American or
>
otherwise.
>
the
most powerful non-american novels i belive that i have ever read is
"the
razor's edge" by w. somerset maugham and 'age of reason' by sartre.
powerful
characters, real-life, existentialism....all the angst one
former
grungekid could ever handle....
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From: Jeffrey Weinberg
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Subject: Jack Kerouac's Personal Library
In
making a list of Kerouac's reading material, here is information that will
prove
helpful. The following books were in Kerouac's personal library when he
died.
All
books were well-read and some had notations in Kerouac's hand. I have not
included
books written by Jack or anthologies with contributions by Jack
although
a fairly good representation of his own works were present also. The
following
list was first compiled by me back in 1992 when I was hired to sell
these
books to collectors. Please note this list copyright 1992 Water Row
Books.
Jeffrey
Weinberg
Water
Row Books
******************************************************************************
********************
1.
Dayton Allen. Why Not? With an introduction by Steve Allen. 1960.
2.
David Aram. Vibrations. 1968.
3. A
Portents Semina. Published as Portents #6. A tribute to Wallace Berman.
1967.
4. Ted
Berrigan. Nimrod. Volume 4. Number 3. Spring 1960. Berrigan was
associate
editor of this lit mag.
5.
Swami A.C. Bhaktivedanta. The Bhagavad Gita. A New Translation with
appreciations
by Allen Ginsberg, Denise Levertov and Thomas Merton. 1968.
6.
Robert Boles. The People One Knows. 1964.
7. Paul
Bowles. A Hundred Camels in the Courtyard. 1962.
8.
William Bronk. The World, The Wordless. 1964.
9.
Charles Bukowski. Poems Written Before Jumping Out Of A 8 Story Window.
1968.
(Note: Kerouac did not like Bukowski's work and vice versa -this copy
was
sent to Kerouac by book's editor, Douglas Blazek)
10.
Open Skull. Number 1. 1967. Edited by Doug Blazek. Contributors included
Bukowski,
Charlie Plymell. (ditto to note in #9 above).
11. Ole
Anthology edited by Doug Blazek. 1967. (double ditto!)
12.
William Burroughs. The Ticket That Exploded. 1967.
13.
William Burroughs. Naked Lunch. 1966 edition with Mass. Supreme Court
decision
and Boston Trial excerpts.
14.
Alan Casty and Donald Tighe. Staircase to Writing & Reading.
15. The
Basilian Teacher. May 1964 issue. A Catholic Journal. This issue
contains
an excerpt from Dharma Bums in an article by Leonard McGravey,
C.S.B.
16. The
Last Catholic: A Tragicomedy by J. Fabian Daly. 1968.
17.
Gina Germinara. Many Mansions. 1967. The Edgar Cayce story.
18. The
Coercion Review. Number 2. Spring 1959. Lit mag sent to Kerouac while
in
Northport.
19.
Gregory Corso. The American Express. Complimentary copy of Corso's only
novel,
sent to Jack by the publisher, Maurice Girodias.
20.
Bruton Connors. Night Priest. 1967.
21.
Robert Creeley. A Form of Women. 1959.
22.
Robert Creeley. For Love: Poems 1950-1960.
23.
Charles Dickens. The Pickwick Papers. 1960 edition.
24.
Evergreen Review. Eleven issues dated 1958-1962.
25.
Lawrence Ferlinghetti. Tenetative Description of a Dinner Given To
Promote
the Impeachment of President Eisenhower. 1958.
26.
Lawrence Ferlinghetti. Starting From San Francisco. 1961.
27.
George Hunt. The Wars of the Iroquois. 1960. Given to Kerouac for Xmas by
Ferlinghetti
and City Lights partner Shig.
28.
City Lights Publication List. 1962.
29.
Ferlinghetti. One Thousand Fearful Words For Fidel Castro. 1961.
30.
Stanley Geist, editor. French Stories and Tales. 1956.
31.
Victor Hugo. Ninety-Three. Introduction by Ann Rand. 1962.
32.
Paul Gauguin. Noa Noa: A Journal of the South Seas. Translated from the
French.
1960.
33.
Hans Jonas. The Gnostic Religion: The Message of the Alien God and the
Beginnings
of Christianity.1967. (A gift sent to
Kerouac from Allen
Ginsberg).
34.
Warner Literary Magazine. Spring 1959. Beat Poets Symposium Issue.
35. The
San Francisco Earthquake. Summer/Fall 1968. Lit mag.
36.
Pa'Lante: New Writing 1962. Magazine of militant poets.
37.
Allen Ginsberg. The Moments Return. 1971. (Gift from Allen Ginsberg to
Stella
Kerouac)
38.
Hermann Hesse. Narcissus and Goldmund. 1968.
39.
Dave Godfrey. Death Goes Better With Coca-Cola. 1967.
40.
Joseph Heller. Catch-22. 1961.
41.
Colonel A.C.M. Azoy. Patriot Battles. 1943.
42.
George Cable. Creoles and Cajuns: Stories of Old Louisiana. 1959.
43. J.
Wight Duff. A Literary History of Rome in the Silver Age. 1964.
44.
Francis X. Talbot. Saint Among The Hurons: The Life of Jean de Brebeuf.
1956.
45.
Joseph Campbell, editor. Pagan and Christian Mysteries. 1963.
46.
Michael Grant, editor. Roman Readings. 1958.
47.
Intrepid. June 1967. Lit Mag.
48.
Jargon 31: 14 Poets, 1 Artist. 1958.
49.
Climax. Number 1. 1955. Jazz review. Contains Lawrence Lipton piece.
50.
LeRoi Jones. Blues People. 1963.
51. Ken
Kesey. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. 1962.
52.
Seymour Krim. Views of a Nearsighted Cannoneer. 1968.
53. La
Boheme. Vol 3, Number 11. (date?) A magazine of French-Canadian poets.
54.
Robert Lax. The Circus of the Sun. 1961.
55.
Robert Lax. Two Fables. 1961.
56.
Timothy Leary. The Politics of Ecstasy. 1968.
57.
Norman Mailer. Cannibals and Christians. 1966.
58.
Norman Mailer. The Presidential Papers. 1963.
59.
Norman Mailer. The Armies of the Night. 1968.
60. The
Marquis de Sade. Three Complete Novels and other Writings. 1966.
61.
Michael McClosky. Fuck You: A Volume of Short Stories. Self-published.
(date?)
62.
Marshall McLuhan. Understanding Media. 1966.
63.
Marshall McLuhan. The Gutenberg Galaxy. 1967.
64.
Michael McClure. For Artaud. 1959.
65.
Thomas Merton. Original Child Bomb -Points For Meditation to be Scratched
on the
Walls of a Cave. Large poster.
66.
Henry Miller. A Christmas Eve in the Villa Seurat. (German translation)
1960.
67.
Henry Miller. The Colossus of Maroussi. (date?)
68.
Henry Miller. The Intimate Henry Miller. 1959.
69.
Henry Miller. The Air-Conditioned Nightmare. 1945,
70.
Frank Morley. The Great North Road: Journey Into History. 1961.
71.
Vladimir Nabokov. Lolita. 7th printing (date?)
72.
Nomad. Number 7. Summer 1960. Lit Mag
73.
Wolf Vostell. Miss Vietnam. 1968.
74.
Dick Higgins. A Book About Love & War & Death. 1968.
75.
Charles Olson. Projective Verse. 1959.
76. The
Open Letter. Number 4. June 1966. Canadian lit Mag.
77.
George Plimpton. Paper Lion. 1966. Inscribed by author to Kerouac.
78.
Andre Maurors. Proust: A Biography. 1958.
79.
Gary Snyder. A Range of Poems.1966.
80. Leo
Tolstoy. War and Peace. (date?)
81. Tom
Wolfe. The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. 1968.
82.
Charles Wright. The Dream Animal. 1968.
83.
Yugen. Number 2. 1958. Lit Mag
84.
Yugen. Number 3. 1958. Lit Mag (edited
by LeRoi Jones and Hetti Cohen)
COPYRIGHT
1992 WATER ROW BOOKS.
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recordings
of e.e.cummings are incredible!
though
i dont know how many exist, etc.
i have
only personally heard the first two (non)lecture tapes from the
series
"Six Nonlectures". these consist of cummings talking, reading
rather,
these nonlectures. very slowly, articulate, refined bostonian?
harvard
english. precise poetical useage of language. the first two
lectures
tell of his early life, his parents, the first lecture about
his
folks mostly is incredibly heartbraking. in the middle of his
autobiographical
account he includes a few of his poems, such as the one
(cannot
remeber fully) where the lines go something like: "as yes is to
if ,
love is to yes" then he reads some Wordsworth i believe. the second
Nonlecture
tells more happier stories of early life, reads a few of his
springtime
poems, concludes with some readings of shakespeare,
swinborne,
ol' english chaucer, others, related to Spring theme.
if you
like e.e. cummings then you should look for these tapes, i
borrowed
from a friend who took em out of a library. certainly were
different
than my expectations, poems seem more, i dont know, wild on
the
page, more controled when read by cummings. the nonlectures are
available
i believe in readable form perhaps published after perhaps
before
the recordings.
from,
Eric
"He
who claims that everything occurs by necessity has no complaint
against
him who claims that everything does not occur by necessity. For
he [the
second] makes the very claim by neceesity." -- Epicurus, or one
of his
followers
On Wed,
12 Nov 1997 04:07:56 UT Sherri
<love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>
wrote:
>
Antoine, thanks for these. the second
one is heartbreaking.
>
>
ciao, sherri
>
>
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>
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behalf of Antoine Maloney
>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:10
PM
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Subject: Re: Jack Kerouac reading
e.e.cummings
>
>
Paul,
>
> That's great of you to do that.
Bill's idea is also great...what a
>
project!
>
>
...and to all,
>
>
Seeing e.e.cummimgs on Jack's reading list forces me to put one of cummings'
>
most "beat" poems for everyone to comment on. I haven't ever heard
him read,
>
but I would love to hear this as he would read it...(have readt it!) Anyone
>
ever hear any recordings of him?
>
> And after it two in honour of
Remembrance day. Give these all a
>
chance...spare them your too quick delete key!
>
> Antoine
>
> *****************
>
> ....I love
the rush at the end of this....
>
>
from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)
>
> pity this busy monster,manunkind,
>
> not. Progress is a comfortable disease:
> your victim(death and life safely
beyond)
>
> plays with the bigness of his
littleness
> ---electrons deify one razorblade
> into a mountainrange;lenses extend
>
> unwish through curving wherewhen till
unwish
> returns on its unself.
> A
world of made
> is not a world of born--pity poor
flesh
>
> and trees,poor stars and stones,but
never this
> fine specimen of hypermagical
>
> ultraomnipotence. We doctors know
>
> a hopeless case if--listen:there's a
hell
> of a good universe next door;let's go
>
>
> *****************
>
> Typed in on
Remembrance day after standing
> at
the cenotaph at 11:00am
> with men who
were in the wars with my Dad,
> my
Granda, my Uncles....
>
>
from "is 5" (1926)
>
> look at this)
> a 75 done
> this nobody would
> have believed
> would they no
> kidding this was my particular
>
> pal
> funny aint
> it we was
> buddies
> i used to
>
> know
> him lift the
> poor cuss
> tenderly this side up handle
>
> with care
> fragile
> and send him home
>
> to his old mother in
> a new pine box
>
> (collect
>
> **************
>
> His anti-war
poems are weapons themselves!
>
Another....
>
>
from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)
>
> plato told
>
> him;he couldn't
> believe it(jesus
>
> told him;he
> wouldn't believe
> it)lao
>
> tsze
> certainly told
> him,and general
> (yes
>
> mam)
> sherman;
> and even
> (believe it
> or
>
> not)you
> told him;i told
> him;we told him
> (he didn't believe it,no
>
> sir)it took
> a nipponized bit of
> the old sixth
>
> avenue
> el;in the top of his head:to tell
>
> him
>
> I can remeber
as a kid (probably '52 - '53)
>
the big discussion when
> a small toy
birdcage - made in japan - broke
>
open and was revealed
> to be made of a 'birdseye' pea
can.......
>
> read
e.e.cummings
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
> cease
to be amused."
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sherri-
you forgot john clellon holmes, the guy who jack was friends
with in
new york and talked about behind his back to cassady in a
letter.
i know they shared their work when they were both starving
artists.
on the
water row website, they have a book that kerouac wrote a review
for in
the beginning in 1958. it's called River of Red Wine (sounds
like a
title jk would like) by Jack Micheline.
Randall
>
Ginsberg, Burroughs, Corso, McClure, di Prima, Rexroth, Cassady because they
>
were all friends and discussed their work...
>
>
Rimbaud (1960 or before) wrote the poem
"Rimbaud" in 1960, it's in "Scattered
>
Poems"
>
>
Proust, Samuel Johnson, Boswell, Dante, Cervantes, Hesse (Steppenwolf),
>
Nietzsche, R. L. Stevenson (Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde) because he mentions them
in
>
"Big Sur" (1962) (this may be
a partial listing - haven't had a chance to go
>
through the entire book)
>
>
sherri
>
>
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>
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>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:01
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>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Subject: Re: Jack Kerouac's
Partial Reading List
>
>
Maybe if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the
>
info we can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up
> on
but most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name
> to
the bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of
>
contributor if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then
>
transfer the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give
>
the list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here
> on
the list.
> I was thinking of starting the same kind of
list with a chronological
>
order to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..
>
> ****************
>
>>
>
>>>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and
there:
>
>>>
>
>>> Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
>
>>> Shakespeare - everything
>
>>> Thomas Wolfe - everything
>
>>> D.H. Lawrence - The
Rainbow
>
>>> William Blake - Marriage
of Heaven and Hell
>
>>> Oswald Spengler - The
Decline of the West
>
>>> Celine - Journey To the
End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,
>
>>> Guignol's Band
>
>>> Melville - Omoo, Typee,
Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas
>
>>> Jack London
>
>>> Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
>
>>> The Bible
>
>>> Indian Scriptures
>
>>> The Buddhist Bible
>
>>> Ernest Hemingway
>
>>> William Faulkner- Pylon
>
>>> Thomas Mann
>
>>> Alain Fournier - Le Grand
Meaulnes
>
>>> Daniel Defoe - Robinson
Crusoe
>
>>> Edward Spenser - Complete
Poems
>
>>> Matthew Arnold - Study of
Celtic Literature
>
>>> A number of Buddhist texts
>
>>> Fyodor Dostoevsky -
probably everything
>
>>> Gogol - Dead Souls
>
>>> Theodore Dreiser - Sister
Carrie
>
>>> Lawrence Ferlinghetti
>
>>> Gustave Flaubert -
Salammbo
>
>>> James Joyce - Ulysses,
Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a
>
>Young Man
>
>>> John Keats
>
>>> Lin Yutang - Wisdom of
China and India
>
>>> Francis Parkman - The
Oregon Trail
>
>>> Honore de Balzac
>
>>> A Biography of George
Washington
>
>>> W.H. Auden
>
>>> Ezra Pound
>
>>> Francois Rabelais
>
>>> William Saroyan
>
>>> Alan Harrington - The
Secret Swinger
>
>>> Arthur Rimbaud
>
>>> The Tibetan Book of the
Dead
>
>>> John Reed - Ten Days That
Shook the World
>
>>> Leo Tolstoy - War and
Peace
>
>>> H.G. Wells - The Outline
of History, The Science of Life
>
>>> John Steinbeck - East of
Eden
>
>>> Giovanni Boccacio - The
Decameron
>
>>> Kafka - The Castle
>
>>> Edgar Allan Poe
>
>>> Jean Cocteau - Opium, The
Blood of a Poet
>
>>> Stendahl - The Red and the
Black
>
>>> William Penn - Maxims
>
>>> Greek Philosophy
>
>>> The Shadow
>
>>> William Reich - The
Function of the Orgasm
>
>>> Mark Twain
>
>>> Yeats
>
>>> Gertrude Stein
>
>>> T.S. Eliot
>
>>> Walt Whitman - Leaves of
Grass
>
> W.H. Auden
>
> e.e. cummings
>
> Emily Dickinson
>
> Henry David Thoreau
>
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Robert Frost (Sherri)
> 42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin)
Bill Gargan
>
>>> Now this does not mean
that he was influenced by all this...he is simply
>
>>>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that
he had
>
>read them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel
>
>free to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac
>
>Quarterly Web
>
>>>Site and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...
>
>>>
>
>>> (courtesy
of The Kerouac Quarterly)
>
>>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to
our virtues."
>
>>> Henry David Thoreau
>
>>>
>
>> Voice contact at (514)
933-4956 in Montreal
>
>>
>
>> "Blessed are they who
can laugh at themselves, for they shall never
>
>>cease to be amused."
>
>>
>
>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>
>
Henry David Thoreau
>
>
>
"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our
virtues."
>
Henry David Thoreau
>
>
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At
12:55 PM 10/11/97 -0700, Derek wrote:
Not
sure if this has been addressed (no pun
intended).
{;^>
>i
thought this might interest a few of you.
>----------
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>Date:
Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:20:09 -0500
>From:
Al Aronowitz <blackj@bigmagic.com>
>Newsgroups:
alt.books.beatgeneration
>Subject:
BEAT GENERATION
>
>Wish
to invite all those interested in the Beat
>Generation
to my website, where I am posting my
>unpublished
book, THE BEAT PAPERS OF AL ARONOWITZ,
>which
includes a commentary on the death of Allen
>Ginsberg,
a discussion by Jack Kerouac and John
>Clellon
Holmes on the origins of the term, BEAT
>GENERATION,
an interview with Kerouac and his
>mother
(annotated by Kerouac himself), an interview
>with
Neal Casady in San Quentin Prison (also annotated
>by
Kerouac) plus original 1959 interviews
>with
other major BG figures.
>These
are the applicable URLs:
>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column1.html
>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column21.html
>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column22.html
>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column23.html
>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column24.html
>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column25.html
Uh, got
nowhere with these. Try inserting
/blackj/
in the
URL's. Like this.
http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column1.html
Mike
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Pain
sometimes
i am just embarassed for myself
i open
and cavernous words come out
words,
we wrap ourselves around words
we
drink them and they are not water
we
tease them letter by letter into our virginas
Like a
tape left on at a party,
i hear
myself braying praying crippled voice
a word
will have a curve to it, a rise
the k
and g pack a whallop
i sleep
to the letters mmmms and o
string
them into a necklace and african safaras march
you
hear jack and allen and william
in
weary wonderment of majestic life
a broad
indian sweeps in the mad room
luther,
lois, lana and martha prepare
clark
to meet the wild card of nonsense.
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Put
your additions at the bottom of the list so that there will be some
organization
to this. Thanks, P.
>
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Paul A. Maher Jr.
>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:01 PM
>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List
>
>Maybe
if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the
>info
we can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up
>on
but most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name
>to
the bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of
>contributor
if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then
>transfer
the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give
>the
list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here
>on
the list.
> I was thinking of starting the same kind of
list with a chronological
>order
to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..
>> ****************
>>>
>>>>A
Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:
>>>>
>>>> Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga
>>>> Shakespeare - everything
>>>> Thomas Wolfe - everything
>>>> D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow
>>>> William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell
>>>> Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West
>>>> Celine - Journey To the End of the Night,
Death On the Installment Plan,
>>>> Guignol's Band
>>>> Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby
Dick, Encantandas
>>>> Jack London
>>>> Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita
>>>> The Bible
>>>> Indian Scriptures
>>>> The Buddhist Bible
>>>> Ernest Hemingway
>>>> William Faulkner- Pylon
>>>> Thomas Mann
>>>> Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes
>>>> Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
>>>> Edward Spenser - Complete Poems
>>>> Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature
>>>> A number of Buddhist texts
>>>> Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything
>>>> Gogol - Dead Souls
>>>> Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie
>>>> Lawrence Ferlinghetti
>>>> Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo
>>>> James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake,
Portrait of the Artist As a
>>Young
Man
>>>> John Keats
>>>> Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India
>>>> Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail
>>>> Honore de Balzac
>>>> A Biography of George Washington
>>>> W.H. Auden
>>>> Ezra Pound
>>>> Francois Rabelais
>>>> William Saroyan
>>>> Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger
>>>> Arthur Rimbaud
>>>> The Tibetan Book of the Dead
>>>> John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World
>>>> Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace
>>>> H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The
Science of Life
>>>> John Steinbeck - East of Eden
>>>> Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron
>>>> Kafka - The Castle
>>>> Edgar Allan Poe
>>>> Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet
>>>> Stendahl - The Red and the Black
>>>> William Penn - Maxims
>>>> Greek Philosophy
>>>> The Shadow
>>>> William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm
>>>> Mark Twain
>>>> Yeats
>>>> Gertrude Stein
>>>> T.S. Eliot
>>>> Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass
>> W.H. Auden
>> e.e. cummings
>> Emily Dickinson
>> Henry David Thoreau
>> Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Robert Frost (Sherri)
> 42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin) Bill
Gargan
>>>> Now this does not mean that he was
influenced by all this...he is simply
>>>>documented
in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had
>>read
them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel
>>free
to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac
>>Quarterly
Web
>>>>Site
and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...
>>>>
>>>> (courtesy of The Kerouac
Quarterly)
>>>>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>>>>
Henry David Thoreau
>>>>
>>>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>>>
>>> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>>>cease
to be amused."
>>>
>>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>>
Henry David Thoreau
>>
>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
> Henry David Thoreau
>
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau