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Mike,
You are
usually right on these things, but I am dissapointed that you
didn't
like "Absolom". Yes it is
repetitive, the point being to listen
to the
different way each character sees the same story. Admittedly the
plot
does not race. But if you like the way
Faulkner's language flows
it's
like sipping bourbon. If you don't it
would be hard going. I
found
the repetiveness had a nice effect, rather like the familiar
epithets
you get in Homer. But then I've got to
admit to having a real
weakness
for Faulkner--or having in the past--haven't read him in a long
time.
James
Stauffer
Mike
Rice wrote:
>
>
> I
read Absalom, Absalom and don't recall the entire plot being
>
show in the first chapter. I read the
first 100 pages twice.
> It
was a terrible book to read, with everyone rehashing the
>
same stuff over and over, and then adding one more fact to the
>
accumulated plot.
>
>
Mike Rice
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Subject: Nightmares
Jail of
concrete,
padded
walls,
mattresses
rotten with sweat of tears
and
years of neglect.
a
lonely toilet bowl sulks quietly in the corner
waiting
for drops of piss,
a shock
of yellow in the porcelain hole.
inside
I hear the clank of bars,
the
rattle of chains,
the
sound of locks without keys.
I see
the pacing and gesturing frustration
of a
man without a face, without a soul.
The
crying in the night.
the
wailing, moaning of men
who
feel no remorse.
the
cacophonic quarrel of voices long gone,
bed
long empty,
sinks
unwashed.
And
stinking cells,
unbarred,
with
doors agape,
like dumb
mouths, wide (aghast) with pity
surprise disgust
And I
quake
And I
can't breathe in here,
mommy.
don't
shut me in
can't
see in the dark
and the
clank of chains
the
viscious monotony of whisperers
plotting,
plotting
of
death
and the
plodding plodding thunderous footsteps
and the
greasy, wet, stale, breath
of
tombs. . . .
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I would
hate to think of what it might have been like to have all those
wonderful
New Directions books. "Nude
Erections" as Ezra Pound called
it.
James
Stauffer
Judith
Campbell wrote:
>
>
James Laughlin, Poet and Publisher,
Dead at 83
>
> Associated
Press 14-NOV-97
>
>
NORFOLK, Conn. (AP) James Laughlin, a poet and pioneering publisher who
>
introduced American readers to some of the best-known writers of this
>
century, died Wednesday of complications following a stroke. He was 83.
>
>
Laughlin died at his home, his family said. He was still an undergraduate
> at
Harvard University in 1936 when he founded New Directions with money
>
from his father and issued the first of the anthologies that he said were a
>
place "where experimentalists could test their inventions by
publication."
>
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At
17:41 14/11/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Mike
Rice wrote:
>
>>
Did Selby have other books besides Last Exit?
I read this one just a few
>>
years ago and thought there was more understanding of sexuality in all
>its
>>
disguises, in the book, than in any other I have read before or since.
>It
>>
has an understanding of homosexuality in it that I have not seen equaled
>>
in any other novel, since.
>
>This
summer I picked up a Quality Paperback Book Club three-for-one edition
>of
Selby's "Last Exit...," "The Room," and "Requiem For A
Dream." Up until
>I
got this book, I had only been aware of "Last Exit" as well. What a
>powerful
writer indeed. Selby writes in his
introduction that he is
>concerned
with what happens when people lose control over themselves and/or
>their
situation...when that happens, he paints horrifying, grim portraits
>of
life being sucked down an irresistible vortex.
Not light reading for a
>sunny
summer's day, by any means, but meaty, gutsy, honest stuff.
>
>Jym
>
He's
had problems with distribution in the past. A lot of stuff was out of
print,
I think, for quite a while. But now Henry Rollins is distributing
his
stuff thru his 2.13.61 label Selby's books are much easier to get a
hold
of. I have a signed copy of "The Room".
Glenn
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Well
to
address joan and such, there are many things of interest, but to be
honest
i am not interested in rehashing "that'' event. i would be much
more
interested in finding out more about her, her life and her life
with
william and others. I first really
heard joan stories from evie K
in a
motel room in lawrence from one oclock to I bet 3:30. (the ramada
inn at
6th and iowa) during the reunion. She needed some extra carry on
luggage
so i ran some sample to her. I sold her
two peices, for a buck
each. She also discussed joan, who was her friend
and roomate in this
little
chap book that i have several copies of. It was a glimpse of an
interesting
woman. Evie was also interesting, a little sad, is a
justified
remark. i have always felt that jack marrying evie was
protrayed
on this list as too much of a marraige of convenience and not
as a
true marriage, convenient it might of been but i also think,
(without
any thing but from meeting her and hearing an occasional story
from
william) that it was a very real relationship.
I was cleaning house for william when he
wrote the preface to Queer, it
was a
terrible hard time for him. he suffered
greatly writing it. One
day He
read some of it to me , and when i lay weeping on the couch, left
the
manuscript for me to finish while he puttered feeding the cats.
James
came over, and one of those signifigant looks passsed between
william
and james. I felt that i had just
experiance something so raw
and
bare, i felt that this is what it means to write, it is to SEE.
that a
lot of why i think of william as a genius is not just the command
of
language, it is the the ability to go to the bone. I got married and
had
lena, and there were moments when william would talk of his
marriage,
and child and never was it more than a brief remark. Once
when we
were driving along, william was handing lena her bottle and at
one
point she went nick nick nick and kind of threw it at him, he said
that
she was done. then said some story about bill jr and bottles, a
glancing
remark. I would just sit and be quiet, which by the way, i
never
am quiet, i usually sit and say something, a bit off( like old
fish)
at those funny moments. William was a
very caring and tender
person. One day he handed me a set of towels that he
explained had been
joans.
that i should take them.
Ted
morgan, to be frank i didn't like him.
I found him to be one of
these
guys that would kind of lie by
retricence or fabricate by
twisting
the truth. at no point when i was speaking to him did i feel
that he
was speaking to me or looking at me. it was he was posing. I
turned
the invisible women around him and i am sure by mutual consent.
He
probably didn't notice me. This
description of my imppression of him
as a
spook is a little blunt but i am not the scholar to address his
book,
it probably would be adequate for finding sources or as one way of
looking
at differenct parts of a story but from the things i was
familiar
with, ted looked with jaundice eye and freaky interpretations.
I read
most of the western land in one long night and then onother.
falling
asleep i had a dream about the western
lands that rocked me.
it was
full color, dark blue roiling sky, turgid brown river and
william striding across the field, south of the
trees, with his stick,
yelling
at me. there were animals crawling in the weeds, around us and
ahead
of us, seen, unseen and part of some strange earth movement. Here
sometimes
the prairie blows and it feels like the geography is moving
through
the air, rather than the air is moving through the weeds. i
think
western lands is my favorite, and would make a fucking great play.
patricia
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Here's
something I just found out about a few months ago that was quite
surprising
to me. I got a call from Jamie Cassady
(Carolyn's daughter) on
our
1-800-KER-OUAC line asking if me and my wife and I wanted to come to the
SF
premiere of LTICS. We were unable to go
due to scheduling conflict but I
thanked
her for invting us. She said she had to
invite us as we were
instrumental
in the film getting made!
I
didn't know what she was talking about and she explained when we had
Carolyn
in for a book signing back in 1994 one of the people who showed up
was the
guy who eventually wound up making the film and he invited Carolyn
and
Jamie and John Allen to a bar across the street from our store and
pitched
them the idea that eventually became LTICS.
I saw
the movie on video about two months ago and although I thought it had
some
good parts I was disappointed in that I thought it was way too
disjointed
at times. Now I realize that was the intent, of course and sure it
worked
in the Cherry Mary letter but at times I don't believe it transferred
to film
well. I thought some of the scenes went on way too long and even when
you
thought the scene was over it would start up again and not be over! I
did
think Kennu stole the show!
BTW, I
was told Carolyn wasn't thrilled with the film either. Her complaints
had
more to do with historical accuracy however, like "Neal woud have never
worn
those shoes" or "he wouldn't use those words".
Jerry
Cimino
Fog
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Bentz,
I really, really liked this
Bentz....very atmospheric. Part of my
teenage
years I lived in Danbury, CT near the FCI, Federal Correctional
Institute.
It had the rep of being a real playground / country club of a
place.
Daniel Berrigan was there along with other prominent War resistors,
but
mostly it was populated with guys with the greatest looking raw silk
suits
you've ever seen. We had them at our church each Sunday parking cars!
A place
of light and ease....not CCI.
Antoine
********************
from
Bentz Kirby
CCI
(For
Leon and Joe, by an outsider)
Central
Correctional Institute.
A
granite fortress,
Mined
on the Saluda River
By the
inmates.
That
was before THE war.
Death
house.
Pee Wee
Gaskins blew up Rudolph Tyner
And
they made a tv movie of it.
Outside
were baseball fields, basketball courts, and weights.
And row
after row of barbed razor wire helix curving back
Until
it reinvented itself.
Machine
guns in the turrets.
Right
on the Columbia canal.
In this
cell block the ghosts howl,
And you
do not have to strain to hear them.
Now, it
is almost gone. All but the granite.
First
they made a park on the old canal.
Then
Bell South built a building to house
Busy
executives of this modern society.
So,
they moved the prison, tore it down,
Will
soon build condominiums.
Haunted
by the rastafarian dreams,
by the
death row marches,
by the
electrocution of a teen age boy,
by
Tyner turning on his radio,
by
three time losers doing 25 with no parole.
It has
been the home of noble spirits too,
But,
alas, they do not haunt,
Or if
they do, are drowned by banshee.
CCI,
Central
Correctional Institute,
Maximum
Security,
Not
much correction.
Turn
your head like you can forget.
In the
night, they shall hear the voices.
--
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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Shani,
Is this something you did a while ago
or have been working on? or
was it
inspired by Bentz's e-mail on CCI? I like this also - very vivid.
Antoine
****************
from
Shani St.John
Subject: Nightmares
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Jail of
concrete,
padded
walls,
mattresses
rotten with sweat of tears
and
years of neglect.
a
lonely toilet bowl sulks quietly in the corner
waiting
for drops of piss,
a shock
of yellow in the porcelain hole.
inside
I hear the clank of bars,
the
rattle of chains,
the
sound of locks without keys.
I see
the pacing and gesturing frustration
of a
man without a face, without a soul.
The
crying in the night.
the
wailing, moaning of men
who
feel no remorse.
the
cacophonic quarrel of voices long gone,
bed
long empty,
sinks
unwashed.
And
stinking cells,
unbarred,
with
doors agape,
like
dumb mouths, wide (aghast) with pity
surprise disgust
And I
quake
And I
can't breathe in here,
mommy.
don't
shut me in
can't
see in the dark
and the
clank of chains
the
viscious monotony of whisperers
plotting,
plotting
of
death
and the
plodding plodding thunderous footsteps
and the
greasy, wet, stale, breath
of
tombs. . . .
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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Attila
Gyenis wrote:
>
>
Hello,
>
> If
you are interested in a short list of Kerouac and beat books for sale
>
(most are collectible) please e mail me and I will send you the list.
>
>
thanks
>
Attila
would
you mind sending me the list
thanks
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On Fri,
14 Nov 1997, James Stauffer wrote:
> I
would hate to think of what it might have been like [not?] to have all
those
>
wonderful New Directions books.
"Nude Erections" as Ezra Pound called
>
it.
All
Things Considered on NPR had a lengthy feature on Laughlin on Fri.
afternoon,
incl. some snippets of Ezra Pound reading.
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Jeff
Taylor
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James
Stauffer wrote:
>
Mike,
>
>
You are usually right on these things, but I am dissapointed that you
>
didn't like "Absolom". Yes it
is repetitive, the point being to listen
> to
the different way each character sees the same story. Admittedly the
>
plot does not race. But if you like the
way Faulkner's language flows
>
it's like sipping bourbon. If you don't
it would be hard going. I
>
found the repetiveness had a nice effect, rather like the familiar
>
epithets you get in Homer. But then
I've got to admit to having a real
>
weakness for Faulkner--or having in the past--haven't read him in a long
>
time.
>
>
James Stauffer
James:
I
forget the exact name, but I remember well the first time I really read a
Faulkner
work. (Was it Clear Light in
August?) His poetic use of language
in the
novel form was a true joy to read. I
never became a "fan" like I did
of
Wolfe and Kerouac, but he truly is a great writer. I have never read
Absalom
though. But the way you describe it,
the book seems like it would
have
some very realistic points. That is,
how does the story differ when
seen
through different eyes. That sounds
like realism and an ambitious
project. I may just have to go to the library!
--
Peace,
Bentz
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patricia
we are so very lucky to have you here among us. i could "listen"
to you
all day. my guess that the heart of the shooting was found in the
preface
to queer is validated here, and then so enriched by your and wsb's
humanity.
thankyou
mc
Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
Well
> to
address joan and such, there are many things of interest, but to be
>
honest i am not interested in rehashing "that'' event. i would be much
>
more interested in finding out more about her, her life and her life
>
with william and others. I first really
heard joan stories from evie K
> in
a motel room in lawrence from one oclock to I bet 3:30. (the ramada
>
inn at 6th and iowa) during the reunion. She needed some extra carry on
>
luggage so i ran some sample to her. I
sold her two peices, for a buck
>
each. She also discussed joan, who was
her friend and roomate in this
>
little chap book that i have several copies of. It was a glimpse of an
>
interesting woman. Evie was also interesting, a little sad, is a
>
justified remark. i have always felt that jack marrying evie was
>
protrayed on this list as too much of a marraige of convenience and not
> as
a true marriage, convenient it might of been but i also think,
>
(without any thing but from meeting her and hearing an occasional story
>
from william) that it was a very real relationship.
> I was cleaning house for william when he
wrote the preface to Queer, it
>
was a terrible hard time for him. he
suffered greatly writing it. One
>
day He read some of it to me , and when i lay weeping on the couch, left
>
the manuscript for me to finish while he puttered feeding the cats.
>
James came over, and one of those signifigant looks passsed between
>
william and james. I felt that i had
just experiance something so raw
>
and bare, i felt that this is what it means to write, it is to SEE.
>
that a lot of why i think of william as a genius is not just the command
> of
language, it is the the ability to go to the bone. I got married and
>
had lena, and there were moments when william would talk of his
>
marriage, and child and never was it more than a brief remark. Once
>
when we were driving along, william was handing lena her bottle and at
>
one point she went nick nick nick and kind of threw it at him, he said
>
that she was done. then said some story about bill jr and bottles, a
>
glancing remark. I would just sit and be quiet, which by the way, i
>
never am quiet, i usually sit and say something, a bit off( like old
>
fish) at those funny moments. William
was a very caring and tender
>
person. One day he handed me a set of
towels that he explained had been
>
joans. that i should take them.
>
>
Ted morgan, to be frank i didn't like him.
I found him to be one of
>
these guys that would kind of lie by
retricence or fabricate by
>
twisting the truth. at no point when i was speaking to him did i feel
>
that he was speaking to me or looking at me. it was he was posing. I
>
turned the invisible women around him and i am sure by mutual consent.
> He
probably didn't notice me. This
description of my imppression of him
> as
a spook is a little blunt but i am not the scholar to address his
>
book, it probably would be adequate for finding sources or as one way of
>
looking at differenct parts of a story but from the things i was
>
familiar with, ted looked with jaundice eye and freaky interpretations.
>
> I
read most of the western land in one long night and then onother.
>
falling asleep i had a dream about the
western lands that rocked me.
> it
was full color, dark blue roiling sky, turgid brown river and
>
william striding across the field,
south of the trees, with his stick,
>
yelling at me. there were animals crawling in the weeds, around us and
>
ahead of us, seen, unseen and part of some strange earth movement. Here
>
sometimes the prairie blows and it feels like the geography is moving
>
through the air, rather than the air is moving through the weeds. i
>
think western lands is my favorite, and would make a fucking great play.
>
patricia
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Ron
Whitehead wrote:
>
Constantly Risking Reality
>
>
the reality principle is just another scam
>
rationality on a stick is the real insane
>
>
absurd flim flam what's too real is to
>
deal with the new dogmad state religioned
>
>
poetry police are moving in cornering
>
trianglestrangling those free thinkers
>
>
freedom fighters forcing them into
>
neckties nooses uniforms for all
>
>
schoolchildren their civil rights stop
> at
the school door so we can protect
>
>
them from the violence of the streets
>
make them all the same which was
>
>
the original intent of public education
>
they're just a little behind on reaching
>
>
their goals but the realists are getting
>
ever closer to fulfilling their shopping
>
>
mall cathedral unchristian coalition
>
new age government dreamlife reality
>
>
principle lie life lies is what they be
>
selling shoveling sticking ramming
>
>
our throats don't buy it don't buy
>
their materialist the only reality is
>
>
the material world truth don't drink
>
their rationality juice keep falling
>
>
keep failing into your subterranean
>
serumed dream
>
>
Ron Whitehead
>
10/07/97
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Ron
Whitehead wrote:
>
Tapping My Own Phone
>
>
I'm going straight bought myself a flat top
>
haircut so stiff I can carry a tray of martinis
>
>
waiting on people someone to open up her
>
purse and give me a tip cause I don't have
>
> a
clue anymore as to what's going on but
> I
do know that I'm one step ahead tapping
>
> my
own phone to hear myself talking with
>
people who used to be my friends listening
>
> so
I can correct myself before they do and
>
I've got a surveillance camera in my abandoned
>
>
car across the street watching myself replaying
>
the tape so I can see if I'm acting funny before
>
>
they catch me doing something I shouldn't
> like
yesterday I spotted myself walking too
>
>
fast and I heard myself talking too loud yes
>
I've got the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>
>
and suicide blues but I'm making sure I don't
> do
nothing else wrong cause I done screwed
>
> up
so many times I cornered myself into a
>
backstreet deadend alley of paranoia and every
>
>
time I hear an airplane or helicopter or car
>
door slam I know The Secret Service the FBI
>
>
and the IRS Swat Teams have finally arrived
>
cause I published a poem by the President of
>
>
The United States of America without his
>
fully conscious permission and I'm sure I
>
>
haven't paid enough taxes cause I've got no
>
income yet somehow I keep on doing things
>
>
like eating every once in a while and paying
> a
light bill or two but how do I do it they're
>
>
gonna ask what's the source of your income
>
and how come you don't come to see us
>
>
anymore so yes I've become a little jumpy
>
but I'm staying one step ahead tapping my
>
>
own phone videotaping my every move
>
watching myself day and night replaying
>
>
the tapes cause I got a bad bad bad case
> of
the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>
>
and suicide blues
>
>
Ron Whitehead
>
10/08/97
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
I felt that i had just experiance something
so raw
>
and bare, i felt that this is what it means to write, it is to SEE.
>
that a lot of why i think of william as a genius is not just the command
> of
language, it is the the ability to go to the bone.
>
patricia
i
really really liked these words. i
enjoyed the entire post as always
but
these struck with such resonance.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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cari
amici,
if you
point yr browser to
http://www.comune.venezia.it/citta.htm
you can
exactly found in which venetian city area i'm living
it's
marked in the map as
13 -
S.Lorenzo-XXV Aprile
i dunno
if this is any interst but i posted
and excuse
me for the intrusion,
un
saluti a tutti,
rinaldo.
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Subject: Re: CCI
Bentz,
thanks for sharing this, really grabs
the heart.
ciao, sherri
----------
From: BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of
R. Bentz Kirby
Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:07 PM
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: CCI
CCI
(For
Leon and Joe, by an outsider)
Central
Correctional Institute.
A
granite fortress,
Mined
on the Saluda River
By the
inmates.
That
was before THE war.
Death
house.
Pee Wee
Gaskins blew up Rudolph Tyner
And
they made a tv movie of it.
Outside
were baseball fields, basketball courts, and weights.
And row
after row of barbed razor wire helix curving back
Until
it reinvented itself.
Machine
guns in the turrets.
Right
on the Columbia canal.
In this
cell block the ghosts howl,
And you
do not have to strain to hear them.
Now, it
is almost gone. All but the granite.
First
they made a park on the old canal.
Then
Bell South built a building to house
Busy
executives of this modern society.
So,
they moved the prison, tore it down,
Will
soon build condominiums.
Haunted
by the rastafarian dreams,
by the
death row marches,
by the
electrocution of a teen age boy,
by
Tyner turning on his radio,
by
three time users doing 25 with no parole.
It has
been the home of noble spirits too,
But,
alas, they do not haunt,
Or if
they do, are drowned by banshee.
CCI,
Central
Correctional Institute,
Maximum
Security,
Not
much correction.
Turn
your head like you can forget.
In the
night, they shall hear the voices.
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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Subject: Re: ron whitehead's poetry
these
are wonderful. right in the center of
the bull's-eye. thanks for
posting
Ron's poems Marie.
ciao,
sherri
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Marie Countryman
Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 11:46 PM
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: ron whitehead's poetry
Ron
Whitehead wrote:
>
Constantly Risking Reality
>
>
the reality principle is just another scam
>
rationality on a stick is the real insane
>
> absurd
flim flam what's too real is to
>
deal with the new dogmad state religioned
>
>
poetry police are moving in cornering
>
trianglestrangling those free thinkers
>
>
freedom fighters forcing them into
>
neckties nooses uniforms for all
>
>
schoolchildren their civil rights stop
> at
the school door so we can protect
>
>
them from the violence of the streets
>
make them all the same which was
>
>
the original intent of public education
>
they're just a little behind on reaching
>
>
their goals but the realists are getting
>
ever closer to fulfilling their shopping
>
>
mall cathedral unchristian coalition
>
new age government dreamlife reality
>
>
principle lie life lies is what they be
>
selling shoveling sticking ramming
>
>
our throats don't buy it don't buy
>
their materialist the only reality is
>
>
the material world truth don't drink
>
their rationality juice keep falling
>
>
keep failing into your subterranean
>
serumed dream
>
>
Ron Whitehead
>
10/07/97
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A
dedicated good Saturday morning to you dear Sherri
I mean
from a dedicated me. Gee I don't know how you handle this. Never been
dedicated
to before. Hey do you think Joe was there too? That would be too
much
after all his we know the truth Paul, you are a convicted felon, so
nobody
has to believe a word you say that he is trying to weedle out of.
Trashing
it about like a fish caught in the net. Of
his own making yet. I
do
believe that the not kidding ribbing is geting a hearing in the places
where
it counts, no getting burned in flames juggling here.
Spent
an evening with Q.R. yesterday. He cooked us a lovely dinner. I
brought
Anne along because she needed to check and close her p.o.box and do
a
couple of other chores. Ginger brought a lovely bottle of wine, even if
Fahrid
her Afghanistani boyfriend was not there. You will love meeting them.
I will
be back Tuesday evening when Q.R. reads at an Art caffee on 19th and
Guerero.
I want to meet Jean who arranges readings and is the person who
knows
everything that's going on in town. Seems like everything is booked up
till
February in town. I especially would like marie to read at the
International
Caffe. There is a question about the poet who is booked for
the
first Friday in January, so I left a tape and a printout with him. It
might
happen if the problem stays a problem. You wouldn't happen to know
about
likely reading places?
I
promised myself I was not going to add pressures to your overfilled time.
Was a
good boy yesterday, but here I go again
taking some warm greetings to you, quickly then
Love
and peace
leon
From:
Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>
To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Date:
Saturday, November 15, 1997 8:36 AM
Subject:
Re: CCI
>Bentz,
thanks for sharing this, really grabs
the heart.
>ciao, sherri
>
>----------
>From: BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of
R. Bentz Kirby
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:07 PM
>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: CCI
>
>CCI
>(For
Leon and Joe, by an outsider)
>
>Central
Correctional Institute.
>A
granite fortress,
>Mined
on the Saluda River
>By
the inmates.
>
>That
was before THE war.
>
>Death
house.
>Pee
Wee Gaskins blew up Rudolph Tyner
>And
they made a tv movie of it.
>Outside
were baseball fields, basketball courts, and weights.
>And
row after row of barbed razor wire helix curving back
>Until
it reinvented itself.
>Machine
guns in the turrets.
>Right
on the Columbia canal.
>
>In
this cell block the ghosts howl,
>And
you do not have to strain to hear them.
>
>Now,
it is almost gone. All but the granite.
>First
they made a park on the old canal.
>Then
Bell South built a building to house
>Busy
executives of this modern society.
>So,
they moved the prison, tore it down,
>Will
soon build condominiums.
>Haunted
by the rastafarian dreams,
>by
the death row marches,
>by
the electrocution of a teen age boy,
>by
Tyner turning on his radio,
>by
three time users doing 25 with no parole.
>
>It
has been the home of noble spirits too,
>But,
alas, they do not haunt,
>Or
if they do, are drowned by banshee.
>
>CCI,
>Central
Correctional Institute,
>Maximum
Security,
>Not
much correction.
>Turn
your head like you can forget.
>In
the night, they shall hear the voices.
>--
>
>Peace,
>
>Bentz
>bocelts@scsn.net
>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
>.-
>
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Thanks
Bentz,
Not
quite hung over from last night, but waking up slowly, not too slow to
make
this big booboo. I am really sorry for this one. Hope Joe doesn't take
offense.
What' done is done though. I have to stay behind it. I didn't want
to say
anything further in public about it.
So
what's this? Was Joe in CCI too? I would bet against it from his thoughts
about
the fear of badmouthing there. No way he could believe that if he had
been
there in any of the three years that I spent there. No way the constant
badmouthing
and challenging that was always going on there just appeared
like an
island from nowhere just for those years only.
Thanks
for the dedication Bentz. I appreciate the thoughts behind it and
will
write you again after I read it with a clear mind
Love
and Peace
leon
I will
read this carefully after work today and will let you know what I
feel
about it.
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R. Bentz Kirby <bocelts@SCSN.NET>
To:
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Date:
Friday, November 14, 1997 7:35 PM
Subject:
correction/not users, losers
>CCI
>(For
Leon and Joe, by an outsider)
>
>Central
Correctional Institute.
>A
granite fortress,
>Mined
on the Saluda River
>By
the inmates.
>
>That
was before THE war.
>
>Death
house.
>Pee
Wee Gaskins blew up Rudolph Tyner
>And
they made a tv movie of it.
>Outside
were baseball fields, basketball courts, and weights.
>And
row after row of barbed razor wire helix curving back
>Until
it reinvented itself.
>Machine
guns in the turrets.
>Right
on the Columbia canal.
>
>In
this cell block the ghosts howl,
>And
you do not have to strain to hear them.
>
>Now,
it is almost gone. All but the granite.
>First
they made a park on the old canal.
>Then
Bell South built a building to house
>Busy
executives of this modern society.
>So,
they moved the prison, tore it down,
>Will
soon build condominiums.
>Haunted
by the rastafarian dreams,
>by
the death row marches,
>by
the electrocution of a teen age boy,
>by
Tyner turning on his radio,
>by
three time losers doing 25 with no parole.
>
>It
has been the home of noble spirits too,
>But,
alas, they do not haunt,
>Or
if they do, are drowned by banshee.
>
>CCI,
>Central
Correctional Institute,
>Maximum
Security,
>Not
much correction.
>Turn
your head like you can forget.
>In
the night, they shall hear the voices.
>
>--
>
>Peace,
>
>Bentz
>bocelts@scsn.net
>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
>.-
>
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>I
hated Ragtime because it seemed to read and drag like history. It
>seemed
portentous, and I was put off by that.
I read Loon Lake after
>that
and like its aping of the style of Raymond Chandler, among others.
>I
sort of gave up on Doctorow, but I haven't forgotten him. He seems
>a
master of other people's styles.
>
>Mike
Rice
Amazing
that we subscribe to the same list given divergence of opinion on
Ragtime. I agree that it reads like history in that
the book informs with
much
(to me) fascinating context except minor omissions like giving names
to
characters; remember brother,father,
mother? Portentious ? yes, but so
is 20th
century America, or did you mean pretentious? But really I think
the
book contests the whole notion of history because of the problem of
the, as
Burroughs put it, vested interest --
it's a sort of post-history,
but
vibrates my strings.
Absolom
Absolom was the first Faulkner I ever read.
Couldn't tell what the
fuck
was going on. Bought the Cliffs Notes which clued me in on how to read
the
portentious brilliant thing.
Hope
we're not too far afield here for BeatL but still on the American
novel
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I had
to read Ragtime for a summer assignment and I liked it. I think
Doctorow
has a gift for telling stories. Of course, Im biased because
he
teaches at my school...
On Sat,
15 Nov 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:
>
>I hated Ragtime because it seemed to read and drag like history. It
>
>seemed portentous, and I was put off by that. I read Loon Lake after
>
>that and like its aping of the style of Raymond Chandler, among others.
>
>I sort of gave up on Doctorow, but I haven't forgotten him. He seems
>
>a master of other people's styles.
>
>
>
>Mike Rice
>
>
Amazing that we subscribe to the same list given divergence of opinion on
>
Ragtime. I agree that it reads like
history in that the book informs with
>
much (to me) fascinating context except minor omissions like giving names
> to
characters; remember brother,father,
mother? Portentious ? yes, but so
> is
20th century America, or did you mean pretentious? But really I think
>
the book contests the whole notion of history because of the problem of
>
the, as Burroughs put it, vested interest --
it's a sort of post-history,
>
but vibrates my strings.
>
>
Absolom Absolom was the first Faulkner I ever read. Couldn't tell what the
>
fuck was going on. Bought the Cliffs Notes which clued me in on how to read
>
the portentious brilliant thing.
>
>
Hope we're not too far afield here for BeatL but still on the American
>
novel thread.
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
Subject: recently italian jack kerouac's novels
covers.
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At
15.48 12/11/97 -0500, Paul A. Maher Jr. wrote:
>At
08:15 PM 11/12/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>At
10.02 11/11/97 -0500, Paul wrote:
>>>Hi
Rinaldo - your cover you sent me is now posted. It can be found at:
>>>
>>>
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! Paul of TKQ...
>>da
rinaldo.
>>from
venice-mestre,italy
>>p.s.
i've well downloaded the pic. it's works fine.
>>ciao.
>>
>>I
am glad you like it...if you have others I will gladly post them in time.
>Thanks
again, Paul...
>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>
Henry David Thoreau
>
Paul,
the new
reprinted jack kerouac's works paperback series was out
(same
italian translation of the 50s'/60's) since 1995 and have
photo
covers are featured by Wim Wender
publisher:arnoldo
mondadori
photos
Art Director:Federico Luci
Graphic
Designer:Riccardo Danesi
(jk's
novel)______________.... title photo cover by Wim Wenders__
--------------------------....
---------------------------------
Sulla
Strada (On the Road).... Sun dries Las Vegas, New Mexico.
reprint
1995
Big Sur
(Big Sur)............. Western World Near Four Corners,
California.
reprint
1996
I
Vagabondi del Dharma ....... Flammable Terlingua, Texas
(The
Dharma Bums)
reprint
1994
Angeli
di desolazione......... Always open, Needles, California.
(Desolation
Angel)
reprint
1996
Visioni
di Gerard............. Old Trapper's, San Fernando, California.
(Visions
of Gerard)
reprint
1997
Il
dottor Sax................. Union Ludlow, California.
(Doctor
Sax)
reprint
1996
it
would be beautiful compare the digitized covers of the present
with
those of the past. please let me know if u likes the
project...
saluti
da
Rinaldo.
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At
00.04 16/11/97 +0800,
jacqtang
<jacqtang@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>>
>>
hello,
>>
please can someone post the "american pie"
>>
lyric by johnny denver?
>>
thanks,
>>
rinaldo
>>
>>
rasa@gpnet.it
>>
venice-mestre,italy.
>
>Hello
Rinaldo,
>
>I
didn't realise it was recorded by John Denver? Other than Don McLean,
>I
know only of The Brady Bunch doing a stupid version of it.
>
>You
can find the lyrics at for parts 1 & 2 at
>http://www.summer.com.br/~pfilho/oldies_list/top/lyrics/american_pie.txt
>or
the one that I've listed below from
>http://www.execpc.com/~suden/american_pie.html
>
>Enjoy......Jacq
>
>AMERICAN
PIE
>============
>A
long long time ago
>I
can still remember how that music used to make me smile
>And
I knew if I had my chance
>That
I could make those people dance
>And
maybe they'd be happy for a while.
>
>But
February made me shiver
>With
every paper I'd deliver
>Bad
news on the doorstep
>I
couldn't take one more step
>
>I
can't remember if I cried
>When
I read about his widowed bride
>But
something touched me deep inside
>The
day the music died
>
>So
bye-bye, Miss American Pie
>Drove
my chevy to the levee
>But
the levee was dry
>And
them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
>Singin'
this'll be the day that I die
>This'll
be the day that I die
>
>Did
you write the Book of Love
>And
do you have faith in God above
>If
the Bible tells you so
>Do
you believe in rock 'n roll
>Can
music save your mortal soul
>And
can you teach me how to dance real slow
>
>Well,
I know that you're in love with him
>'Cause
I saw you dancin' in the gym
>You
both kicked off your shoes
>Man,
I dig those rhythm and blues
>
>I
was a lonely teenage broncin' buck
>With
a pink carnation and a pickup truck
>But
I knew I was out of luck
>The
day the music died
>
>I
started singin'
>So
bye-bye, Miss American Pie
>Drove
my chevy to the levee
>But
the levee was dry
>And
them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
>Singin'
this'll be the day that I die
>This'll
be the day that I die
>
>Now
for ten years we've been on our own
>And
moss grows fat on a rollin' stone
>But
that's not how it used to be
>When
the jester sang for the King and Queen
>In
a coat he borrowed from James Dean
>And
a voice that came from you and me
>
>Oh,
and while the King was looking down
>The
jester stole his thorny crown
>The
courtroom was adjourned
>No
verdict was returned
>And
while Lennon read a book of Marx
>The
quartet practiced in the park
>And
we sang dirges in the dark
>The
day the music died
>
>We
were singing
>So
bye-bye, Miss American Pie
>Drove
my chevy to the levee
>But
the levee was dry
>And
them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
>Singin'
this'll be the day that I die
>This'll
be the day that I die
>
>Helter
Skelter in a summer swelter
>The
Byrds flew off with a fallout shelter
>Eight
miles high and falling fast
>It
landed foul out on the grass
>The
players tried for a forward pass
>With
the jester on the sidelines in a cast
>
>Now
the half-time air was sweet perfume
>While
the Sergeants played a marching tune
>We
all got up to dance
>Oh,
but we never got the chance
>'Cause
the players tried to take the field
>The
marching band refused to yield
>Do
you recall what was revealed
>The
day the music died
>
>We
started singing
>So
bye-bye, Miss American Pie
>Drove
my chevy to the levee
>But
the levee was dry
>And
them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
>Singin'
this'll be the day that I die
>This'll
be the day that I die
>
>Oh,
and there we were all in one place
>A
generation Lost in Space
>With
no time left to start again
>So
come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
>Jack
Flash sat on a candlestick
>'Cause
fire is the Devil's only friend
>
>Oh,
and as I watched him on the stage
>My
hands were clenched in fists of rage
>No
angel born in hell
>Could
break that Satan's spell
>And
as the flames climbed high into the night
>To
light the sacrifical rite
>I
saw Satan laughing with delight
>The
day the music died
>
>He
was singing
>So
bye-bye, Miss American Pie
>Drove
my chevy to the levee
>But
the levee was dry
>And
them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
>Singin'
this'll be the day that I die
>This'll
be the day that I die
>
>I
met a girl who sang the blues
>And
I asked her for some happy news
>But
she just smiled and turned away
>I
went down to the sacred store
>Where
I'd heard the music years before
>But
the man there said the music woudn't play
>
>And
in the streets the children screamed
>The
lovers cried, and the poets dreamed
>But
not a word was spoken
>The
church bells all were broken
>And
the three men I admire most
>The
Father, Son and the Holy Ghost
>They
caught the last train for the coast
>The
day the music died
>
>And
they were singing
>So
bye-bye, Miss American Pie
>Drove
my chevy to the levee
>But
the levee was dry
>And
them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
>Singin'
this'll be the day that I die
>This'll
be the day that I die
>
>They
were singing bye-bye, Miss American Pie
>Drove
my chevy to the levee
>But
the levee was dry
>Them
good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
>Singin'
this'll be the day that I die
>
* **
** ** **
** ** **
** *
Hello
Jacq,
have a
nice day, thanks for your very useful lyric info,
the sad
news of johnny denver's death during an air fly accident,
was
connected with similar death as Othis Redding (1967)
and
Buddy Holly (2th february 1959).
in 1971
johnny denver dedicated
the
"american pie" (written by don mclean) to buddy holly.
it was
fated to happen the same accident to johnny...
the
fragment is:
...
>But
February made me shiver
>With
every paper I'd deliver
>Bad
news on the doorstep
>I
couldn't take one more step
>
>I
can't remember if I cried
>When
I read about his widowed bride
>But
something touched me deep inside
>The
day the music died
...
Jacq
again thanks
ciao,
rinaldo.
******************************************************
At
17.46 14/10/97 -0700, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
>At
08:17 PM 10/14/97 EDT, you wrote:
>>On
Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:51:18 EST THE ZET'S GOOD. said:
>>>Was
John Denver Beat?
>>>
>>> --Dave B.
>>
>>
>>Well,
he had a song called "Rocky Mountain High." Does that count?
>>
>>
>
>If
it does he's beat.
>
>He
also had some song about he and his friends sitting around at night
>passing
the pipe around.
>
>Weirdly
weirdly John Denver was kind of beat.
>
>
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Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
> At
00.04 16/11/97 +0800,
>
jacqtang <jacqtang@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>
>Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
>
>>
>
>> hello,
>
>> please can someone post the "american pie"
>
>> lyric by johnny denver?
>
>> thanks,
>
>> rinaldo
>
>>
>
>> rasa@gpnet.it
>
>> venice-mestre,italy.
>
>
>
>Hello Rinaldo,
>
>
>
>I didn't realise it was recorded by John Denver? Other than Don McLean,
>
>I know only of The Brady Bunch doing a stupid version of it.
>
>
>
>You can find the lyrics at for parts 1 & 2 at
>
>
>Weirdly weirdly John Denver was kind of beat.
>
>
>
>
the one
that gets me is his song "Leavin' On a Jet Plane". I used to do
a
rather twisted post-divorce version which included "when I come back
I'll
hock(sp?) my wedding ring".
Playing it in Wichita a few weeks back
I had
to shift gears and comletely rethink the song almost heading to
bardo
or JD's western lands in reworking the interpretation.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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From: "Shani St.John"
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Subject: Re: Nightmares
Thanks
Antoine! I appreciate your comments.
It's a spontaneous poem that I
did
recently after visiting the county jail.
I had never been inside of a
cell
before . . . I couldn't imagine being caged like that. Anyway, because
of the
experience, I started having all of these strange, horrible, dreams.
"Nightmares"
is just an exploration of that.
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Shani,
Is this something you did a while ago
or have been working on? or
was it
inspired by Bentz's e-mail on CCI? I like this also - very vivid.
Antoine
****************
from
Shani St.John
Subject: Nightmares
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Jail of
concrete,
padded
walls,
mattresses
rotten with sweat of tears
and
years of neglect.
a
lonely toilet bowl sulks quietly in the corner
waiting
for drops of piss,
a shock
of yellow in the porcelain hole.
inside
I hear the clank of bars,
the
rattle of chains,
the
sound of locks without keys.
I see
the pacing and gesturing frustration
of a
man without a face, without a soul.
The
crying in the night.
the
wailing, moaning of men
who
feel no remorse.
the
cacophonic quarrel of voices long gone,
bed
long empty,
sinks
unwashed.
And
stinking cells,
unbarred,
with
doors agape,
like
dumb mouths, wide (aghast) with pity
surprise disgust
And I
quake
And I
can't breathe in here,
mommy.
don't
shut me in
can't
see in the dark
and the
clank of chains
the
viscious monotony of whisperers
plotting,
plotting
of
death
and the
plodding plodding thunderous footsteps
and the
greasy, wet, stale, breath
of
tombs. . . .
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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Subject: Anais Nin and AG
good
evening all,
i was
just reading an article on Anais Nin and it stated that she surrounded
herself
with famous writers (now i know thats true) but listed among Henry
Miller
(no big shocker) was Allen Ginsberg. Now, i've only dabbled in a few
of AN's
diaries, but did she have a friendship with AG? i wasn't aware that
they'd
even met. if anyone has any info. on this i'd really appreciate it.
actually,
if you have any info on a relationship/friendship/meeting between
AN and
any of the beats, i'd love it. thanks. take care,
~~Marlene
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COSMIC
THREADS
(Does
anyone know?)
Beat
List,
Leon,
Joe,
Bentz,
Columbia,
South
Carolina,
CCI.
Inside,
Outside,
1950
1960
1970
1980
1990
Gone
Granite
Walls
Remain.
Thread
Touching
Three
Beat
List
Members.
CCI,
Bentz,
Joe,
Leon.
Cosmic
Thread.
Coincidence.
None.
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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I'm
greeeeeeen with envy. Did you take a
class with him? Does he teach
writing
or literature?
Preston
>I
had to read Ragtime for a summer assignment and I liked it. I think
>Doctorow
has a gift for telling stories. Of course, Im biased because
>he
teaches at my school...
>
>
>On
Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:
>
>>
>I hated Ragtime because it seemed to read and drag like history. It
>>
>seemed portentous, and I was put off by that. I read Loon Lake after
>>
>that and like its aping of the style of Raymond Chandler, among others.
>>
>I sort of gave up on Doctorow, but I haven't forgotten him. He seems
>>
>a master of other people's styles.
>>
>
>>
>Mike Rice
>>
>>
Amazing that we subscribe to the same list given divergence of opinion on
>>
Ragtime. I agree that it reads like
history in that the book informs with
>>
much (to me) fascinating context except minor omissions like giving names
>>
to characters; remember brother,father,
mother? Portentious ? yes, but so
>>
is 20th century America, or did you mean pretentious? But really I think
>>
the book contests the whole notion of history because of the problem of
>>
the, as Burroughs put it, vested interest --
it's a sort of post-history,
>>
but vibrates my strings.
>>
>>
Absolom Absolom was the first Faulkner I ever read. Couldn't tell what the
>>
fuck was going on. Bought the Cliffs Notes which clued me in on how to read
>>
the portentious brilliant thing.
>>
>>
Hope we're not too far afield here for BeatL but still on the American
>>
novel thread.
>>
>
>The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
>Sure-JK
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>good
evening all,
>i
was just reading an article on Anais Nin and it stated that she surrounded
>herself
with famous writers (now i know thats true) but listed among Henry
>Miller
(no big shocker) was Allen Ginsberg. Now, i've only dabbled in a few
>of
AN's diaries, but did she have a friendship with AG? i wasn't aware that
>they'd
even met. if anyone has any info. on this i'd really appreciate it.
>actually,
if you have any info on a relationship/friendship/meeting between
>AN
and any of the beats, i'd love it. thanks. take care,
>~~Marlene
Shortly
after Ginsberg read Howl at the 6 Gallery he read in LA through
Rexroth's
L. Lipton connection. Someone in the
audience began heckling . .
.
saying something like "c'mon, what are you trying to prove." Ginsberg
challenged
the guy by asking "what are you afraid of? Are you afraid of the
nakedness?" Then he stripped. Anais Nin was in the audience and laughed.
This is
out of Miles' biography on G. and I think I've remembered the jewel
center,
so to speak. Anyway, that was probably
when they became aquainted
for the
first time.
Preston
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If you
write, draw, know jokes, take pictures, all shapes, sizes, =
colors,
creeds, and sexual preferences, (you don't even have to be that =
good at
it) then submit them to my zine, 96
MILES TO PORTLAND. For more =
information
e-mail me.
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Subject: Ginsberg and Vonnegut
I'm working on this compilation of
criticisms (historical,
biographical,
and literary) and reviews of a group of Allen Ginsberg
poems
for which I have to write a 3 page opening essay. The title of
my
anthology is "Love, Death, and the Teachings of Allen Ginsberg."
Does
anyone have any suggestions of what audience to target in this
intro?
Scholars? Students? Fellow poets and/or Beat Lovers?
[Janelle Gauthier] target your paper to who you want reading it
Janelle=20
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If
anyone is interested, and lives in the Olympia WA, New Century's =
annual
poetry reading will be on the 24th, if you want to read something =
or go
then e-mail me about it.
Janelle
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For
those who have read, and enjoyed, Vonnegut over the years it was a =
nice
"goodbye." Yet, I would have preferred, and I think it
would have been =
a
better
book, if he would have written a book of essays or another type =
of
non-fiction. Maybe an autobiography.
Jack Gregorio
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Unfortunately,
the seminar he lead on Ragtime was during a class so i
couldnt
go...
On Sat,
15 Nov 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:
>
I'm greeeeeeen with envy. Did you take
a class with him? Does he teach
>
writing or literature?
>
>
Preston
>
>
>
>I had to read Ragtime for a summer assignment and I liked it. I think
>
>Doctorow has a gift for telling stories. Of course, Im biased because
>
>he teaches at my school...
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:
>
>
>
>> >I hated Ragtime because it seemed to read and drag like
history. It
>
>> >seemed portentous, and I was put off by that. I read Loon Lake after
>
>> >that and like its aping of the style of Raymond Chandler, among
others.
>
>> >I sort of gave up on Doctorow, but I haven't forgotten him. He seems
>
>> >a master of other people's styles.
>
>> >
>
>> >Mike Rice
>
>>
>
>> Amazing that we subscribe to the same list given divergence of opinion
on
>
>> Ragtime. I agree that it reads
like history in that the book informs with
>
>> much (to me) fascinating context except minor omissions like giving
names
>
>> to characters; remember
brother,father, mother? Portentious ?
yes, but so
>
>> is 20th century America, or did you mean pretentious? But really I
think
>
>> the book contests the whole notion of history because of the problem
of
>
>> the, as Burroughs put it, vested interest -- it's a sort of post-history,
>
>> but vibrates my strings.
>
>>
>
>> Absolom Absolom was the first Faulkner I ever read. Couldn't tell what the
>
>> fuck was going on. Bought the Cliffs Notes which clued me in on how to
read
>
>> the portentious brilliant thing.
>
>>
>
>> Hope we're not too far afield here for BeatL but still on the American
>
>> novel thread.
>
>>
>
>
>
>The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
>
>Sure-JK
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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In a
message dated 97-11-14 12:27:01 EST, hal.marcovitz@mcall.com writes:
The
attached message was sent to me and he needs help with finding a quote.
Hopefully
someone within the group can help him out. enjoy
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From: hal.marcovitz@mcall.com (Hal Marcovitz)
To: gyenis@AOL.COM
Date:
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Hello,
I'm a writer working on an op-ed piece for The Allentown Morning Call
on the
40th anniversary of the publication of "On the Road." I am
desperately
searching for the quote in the book that sums up the beat
generation
in one line. It reads something like "there is a new beat
generation.
. ." Can you be of any help? Do you know where in the book I can
find
it?
Thanks,
Hal Marcovitz
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Why not
just read the book again? Its a quick read, at best.
On Sun,
16 Nov 1997, Attila Gyenis wrote:
> In
a message dated 97-11-14 12:27:01 EST, hal.marcovitz@mcall.com writes:
>
>
The attached message was sent to me and he needs help with finding a quote.
>
Hopefully someone within the group can help him out. enjoy
>
>
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>
From: hal.marcovitz@mcall.com (Hal
Marcovitz)
>
To: gyenis@AOL.COM
>
Date: 97-11-14 12:27:01 EST
>
>
Hello, I'm a writer working on an op-ed piece for The Allentown Morning Call
> on
the 40th anniversary of the publication of "On the Road." I am
>
desperately searching for the quote in the book that sums up the beat
>
generation in one line. It reads something like "there is a new beat
>
generation. . ." Can you be of any help? Do you know where in the book I
can
>
find it?
>
Thanks, Hal Marcovitz
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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>hey...what
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B.D. says:
"
But
naming, I admit, is no laughing matter. It is easy for me
to be
supercilious about those who rechristen themselves, because
I have
not had to find a new name. It must be an intolerable
burden
to hate your name, which is like your body, mind,
personality,
and family something issued to you at birth.
Of
those essential ingredients, names are the easiest to change;
I am
told by a lawyer friend that it costs about $150 and
three
weeks to legally change your name, which is less than
it
would cost to remake your body or engage a psychiatrist
to
adjust your mental image. Interestingly, you can also
change
your name to anything; there are no legal restrictions
on
people labels, and you can, if you choose, name yourself
after
fruit, household items, insects, crimes, types of wood,
machines,
garments, or shoes.
And
changing your name is a hallowed American tradition,
especially
among scribblers. Nathanael West, Zane Grey, and
Mark
Twain, to name a few, started over whole
(they
were Nathan Weinstein, Pearl Grey, and Samuel Clemens, respectively),
and
among those who have edited their names
are
Willa Cather (born Wilella), Henry David Thoreau (born David Henry),
Jack
Kerouac (born Jean-Louis), Walt Whitman (christened Walter),
and
Nathaniel Hawthorne, who tossed a w in the Hathorne family name,
reportedly
because he thought the extra consonant added a bit of upper
crust
to the mix.
Renaming
is remaking, of course.
Naming
yourself confers autonomy, as well as the opportunity
to
shuck your past and start again. It is a creation.
"
found
on the web site
http://www.catholic.org/liguori/reflect/ord11th.html
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Hi
folks.
I got
this message from someone looking at my web site where I have a bit
about
the beat-l and how to sign up.
I don't
know how to answer him but maybe some here do so I am forwarding
this to
us all.
Feel
free to answer this inquisitive soul about the going-ons of the
beat-l. You would reply to palfrey@dircon.co.uk
>Date:
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>From:
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Kerouac
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>So
what's this discussion group about? I enjoy Kerouac's work and want
>to
talk to others about the wonders that it is.
>
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The
current (Nov.-Dec.) issue of the _Utne Reader_ has a feature focus on
"Beyond
Hip." An article by Tom Frank entitled "Let Them Eat Lifestyle"
has a
picture of the GAP ad with Kerouac (p. 44); the article briefly
refers
to this ad and discusses the Volvo ad which quoted from _On the
Road_
(p. 45). On the back page, under a picture of Bob Denver as
TVBeatnik
Maynard G. Krebs, the magazine includes the following passage
from
Mailer's _Advertisements for Myself_: "the beatnik is more likely to
have a
good mind than a good body."--I guess the athletic Kerouac and
Cassady
wouldn't fit the pattern of the beatnik.
Cordially,
Mike
Skau
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From: "summer s. eve"
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does
anyone own the city lights pocket poets anthology?: its an
excellent
collection of 'the best of' the city lights publications:
it has
everything you could ever want: its my bible:
it has
bits and pieces by lawrence ferlinghetti, picasso, kerouac,
ginsberg,
williams, prevert, and more.
if you
dont own this book, run out and buy it imediately.
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Attila
Gyenis wrote:.
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>
But the best book for me is
>
Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole.
>
A#1
wow.
Confederacy is my my favorite as well.
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summer s. eve wrote:
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>
does anyone own the city lights pocket poets anthology?: its an
>
excellent collection of 'the best of' the city lights publications:
> it
has everything you could ever want: its my bible:
>
> it
has bits and pieces by lawrence ferlinghetti, picasso, kerouac,
>
ginsberg, williams, prevert, and more.
>
> if
you dont own this book, run out and buy it imediately.
You're
right, it is an excellent collection. I
was disappointed that
there
was only one poem by Anne Waldman that didn't seen very good, and
two by
Diane Di Prima. There were four,
however by Harold Norse (Bentz,
isn't
this the poet you have been recommending?) and I thought the one
titled
"Believing in the Absurd" was excellent.
DC
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At
07:47 AM 11/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Ron
Whitehead wrote:
>
>>
Tapping My Own Phone
>>
>>
I'm going straight bought myself a flat top
>>
haircut so stiff I can carry a tray of martinis
>>
>>
waiting on people someone to open up her
>>
purse and give me a tip cause I don't have
>>
>>
a clue anymore as to what's going on but
>>
I do know that I'm one step ahead tapping
>>
>>
my own phone to hear myself talking with
>>
people who used to be my friends listening
>>
>>
so I can correct myself before they do and
>>
I've got a surveillance camera in my abandoned
>>
>>
car across the street watching myself replaying
>>
the tape so I can see if I'm acting funny before
>>
>>
they catch me doing something I shouldn't
>>
like yesterday I spotted myself walking too
>>
>>
fast and I heard myself talking too loud yes
>>
I've got the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>>
>>
and suicide blues but I'm making sure I don't
>>
do nothing else wrong cause I done screwed
>>
>>
up so many times I cornered myself into a
>>
backstreet deadend alley of paranoia and every
>>
>>
time I hear an airplane or helicopter or car
>>
door slam I know The Secret Service the FBI
>>
>>
and the IRS Swat Teams have finally arrived
>>
cause I published a poem by the President of
>>
>>
The United States of America without his
>>
fully conscious permission and I'm sure I
>>
>>
haven't paid enough taxes cause I've got no
>>
income yet somehow I keep on doing things
>>
>>
like eating every once in a while and paying
>>
a light bill or two but how do I do it they're
>>
>>
gonna ask what's the source of your income
>>
and how come you don't come to see us
>>
>>
anymore so yes I've become a little jumpy
>>
but I'm staying one step ahead tapping my
>>
>>
own phone videotaping my every move
>>
watching myself day and night replaying
>>
>>
the tapes cause I got a bad bad bad case
>>
of the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>>
>>
and suicide blues
>>
>>
Ron Whitehead
>>
10/08/97
>
>
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This is
very good. Who is Ron Whitehead?
Mike
Rice
At
07:47 AM 11/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Ron
Whitehead wrote:
>
>>
Tapping My Own Phone
>>
>>
I'm going straight bought myself a flat top
>>
haircut so stiff I can carry a tray of martinis
>>
>>
waiting on people someone to open up her
>>
purse and give me a tip cause I don't have
>>
>>
a clue anymore as to what's going on but
>>
I do know that I'm one step ahead tapping
>>
>>
my own phone to hear myself talking with
>>
people who used to be my friends listening
>>
>>
so I can correct myself before they do and
>>
I've got a surveillance camera in my abandoned
>>
>>
car across the street watching myself replaying
>>
the tape so I can see if I'm acting funny before
>>
>>
they catch me doing something I shouldn't
>>
like yesterday I spotted myself walking too
>>
>>
fast and I heard myself talking too loud yes
>>
I've got the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>>
>>
and suicide blues but I'm making sure I don't
>>
do nothing else wrong cause I done screwed
>>
>>
up so many times I cornered myself into a
>>
backstreet deadend alley of paranoia and every
>>
>>
time I hear an airplane or helicopter or car
>>
door slam I know The Secret Service the FBI
>>
>>
and the IRS Swat Teams have finally arrived
>>
cause I published a poem by the President of
>>
>>
The United States of America without his
>>
fully conscious permission and I'm sure I
>>
>>
haven't paid enough taxes cause I've got no
>>
income yet somehow I keep on doing things
>>
>>
like eating every once in a while and paying
>>
a light bill or two but how do I do it they're
>>
>>
gonna ask what's the source of your income
>>
and how come you don't come to see us
>>
>>
anymore so yes I've become a little jumpy
>>
but I'm staying one step ahead tapping my
>>
>>
own phone videotaping my every move
>>
watching myself day and night replaying
>>
>>
the tapes cause I got a bad bad bad case
>>
of the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>>
>>
and suicide blues
>>
>>
Ron Whitehead
>>
10/08/97
>
>
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Jim
Croce also had the paranoia blues, from knocking around NYC too
long...
Good
poem
On Sun,
16 Nov 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
> At
07:47 AM 11/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Ron Whitehead wrote:
>
>
>
>> Tapping My Own Phone
>
>>
>
>> I'm going straight bought myself a flat top
>
>> haircut so stiff I can carry a tray of martinis
>
>>
>
>> waiting on people someone to open up her
>
>> purse and give me a tip cause I don't have
>
>>
>
>> a clue anymore as to what's going on but
>
>> I do know that I'm one step ahead tapping
>
>>
>
>> my own phone to hear myself talking with
>
>> people who used to be my friends listening
>
>>
>
>> so I can correct myself before they do and
>
>> I've got a surveillance camera in my abandoned
>
>>
>
>> car across the street watching myself replaying
>
>> the tape so I can see if I'm acting funny before
>
>>
>
>> they catch me doing something I shouldn't
>
>> like yesterday I spotted myself walking too
>
>>
>
>> fast and I heard myself talking too loud yes
>
>> I've got the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>
>>
>
>> and suicide blues but I'm making sure I don't
>
>> do nothing else wrong cause I done screwed
>
>>
>
>> up so many times I cornered myself into a
>
>> backstreet deadend alley of paranoia and every
>
>>
>
>> time I hear an airplane or helicopter or car
>
>> door slam I know The Secret Service the FBI
>
>>
>
>> and the IRS Swat Teams have finally arrived
>
>> cause I published a poem by the President of
>
>>
>
>> The United States of America without his
>
>> fully conscious permission and I'm sure I
>
>>
>
>> haven't paid enough taxes cause I've got no
>
>> income yet somehow I keep on doing things
>
>>
>
>> like eating every once in a while and paying
>
>> a light bill or two but how do I do it they're
>
>>
>
>> gonna ask what's the source of your income
>
>> and how come you don't come to see us
>
>>
>
>> anymore so yes I've become a little jumpy
>
>> but I'm staying one step ahead tapping my
>
>>
>
>> own phone videotaping my every move
>
>> watching myself day and night replaying
>
>>
>
>> the tapes cause I got a bad bad bad case
>
>> of the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>
>>
>
>> and suicide blues
>
>>
>
>> Ron Whitehead
>
>> 10/08/97
>
>
>
>
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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From: Bill Gargan
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Subject: Beat Generation in NY
I'm
about half way through Bill Morgan's "The Beat Generation in New
York"
and it's really a treat. Follow in the
footsteps of the Beat
Generation
from the Columbia University to Times Square to Rockefeller
Center,
Chelsea, Greenwich Village and the Lower East Side. There's
even a
tour for the Bronx, Queens, & Yonkers!
The lively anecdotes
and
rare photos provide a thumb nail portarit of the history of the Beat
Generation
in and round New York City. Read the
entries carefully and
be on
the lookout for puns, many of which I've been told were contributed by th
e
book's publisher, Lawrence Ferlinghetti.
If you're interested in the Beats
and
planning a visit to New York, this guide is as essential as a METRO card.
And if
you're planning to vist McSorley's Olde Ale House (page 117), give me a
call or
email me. Maybe we can have a drink
together.
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uh,
guys, could some one else field this one?
well,
ok- mike, ron whitehead is a poet and promoter of numerous events,
last
big do was the 25th anniversary party for HST's fear and loathing,
a true
poet and frantic publisher of as many new talents as possible,
whitefield
press, in l'ville,. any one else?
mc
Mike
Rice wrote:
>
This is very good. Who is Ron
Whitehead?
>
>
Mike Rice
>
> At
07:47 AM 11/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Ron Whitehead wrote:
>
>
>
>> Tapping My Own Phone
>
>>
>
>> I'm going straight bought myself a flat top
>
>> haircut so stiff I can carry a tray of martinis
>
>>
>
>> waiting on people someone to open up her
>
>> purse and give me a tip cause I don't have
>
>>
>
>> a clue anymore as to what's going on but
>
>> I do know that I'm one step ahead tapping
>
>>
>
>> my own phone to hear myself talking with
>
>> people who used to be my friends listening
>
>>
>
>> so I can correct myself before they do and
>
>> I've got a surveillance camera in my abandoned
>
>>
>
>> car across the street watching myself replaying
>
>> the tape so I can see if I'm acting funny before
>
>>
>
>> they catch me doing something I shouldn't
>
>> like yesterday I spotted myself walking too
>
>>
>
>> fast and I heard myself talking too loud yes
>
>> I've got the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>
>>
>
>> and suicide blues but I'm making sure I don't
>
>> do nothing else wrong cause I done screwed
>
>>
>
>> up so many times I cornered myself into a
>
>> backstreet deadend alley of paranoia and every
>
>>
>
>> time I hear an airplane or helicopter or car
>
>> door slam I know The Secret Service the FBI
>
>>
>
>> and the IRS Swat Teams have finally arrived
>
>> cause I published a poem by the President of
>
>>
>
>> The United States of America without his
>
>> fully conscious permission and I'm sure I
>
>>
>
>> haven't paid enough taxes cause I've got no
>
>> income yet somehow I keep on doing things
>
>>
>
>> like eating every once in a while and paying
>
>> a light bill or two but how do I do it they're
>
>>
>
>> gonna ask what's the source of your income
>
>> and how come you don't come to see us
>
>>
>
>> anymore so yes I've become a little jumpy
>
>> but I'm staying one step ahead tapping my
>
>>
>
>> own phone videotaping my every move
>
>> watching myself day and night replaying
>
>>
>
>> the tapes cause I got a bad bad bad case
>
>> of the deep fear paranoia anxiety despair
>
>>
>
>> and suicide blues
>
>>
>
>> Ron Whitehead
>
>> 10/08/97
>
>
>
>
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Yipes!
Shani
St.John,
I can't
imagine that there are many people who have read more poetry by
prisoners
and about prisons/asylums/"correctional institutions," etc. than
I have.
For years poetic cries poured into the "office" of our underground
newspaper,
the Prisoners Digest International (started out as the Penal
Digest
International). Made many trips to publishers with anthologies that
wee
always rejected.
Reading
your poem I have to believe you have been very close to someone who
has
done heavy time--if you haven't done so yourself.
An
incredible poem I will share with many, many friends.
Thanks,
j grant
>Jail
of concrete,
>padded
walls,
>mattresses
rotten with sweat of tears
>and
years of neglect.
>a
lonely toilet bowl sulks quietly in the corner
>waiting
for drops of piss,
>a
shock of yellow in the porcelain hole.
>inside
I hear the clank of bars,
>the
rattle of chains,
>the
sound of locks without keys.
>I
see the pacing and gesturing frustration
>of
a man without a face, without a soul.
>
>The
crying in the night.
>the
wailing, moaning of men
>who
feel no remorse.
>the
cacophonic quarrel of voices long gone,
>bed
long empty,
>sinks
unwashed.
>And
stinking cells,
>unbarred,
>with
doors agape,
>like
dumb mouths, wide (aghast) with pity
surprise disgust
>And
I quake
>And
I can't breathe in here,
>mommy.
>don't
shut me in
>can't
see in the dark
>and
the clank of chains
>the
viscious monotony of whisperers
>plotting,
plotting
>of
death
>and
the plodding plodding thunderous footsteps
>and
the greasy, wet, stale, breath
>of
tombs. . . .
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Nancy
Brodsky wrote:
>
Jim Croce also had the paranoia blues, from knocking around NYC too
>
long...
Are you
sure you're not thinking of Paul Simon?
This is almost an exact
quote
from a song on his first solo LP.
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There's
a well-written review of Some Of The Dharma in the Monday
edition
of Salon...here's where to go:
http://www.salon1999.com/books/
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The
X-Files episode tonight reminded me of the poem by Whitehead about
paranoia. Thanks to MC for posting it.
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Bill,
Is
McSorley's as close to heaven as Joseph Mitchell makes it sound? I've
been
dying to visit (or permanently relocate) there since reading the essay.
How could cruel fate plop me in California,
so far from the barstool I
deserve?
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Does
anyone else (besides me) remember when women were thrown out of
McSorley's?? Three smart-ass college girls ---
freshmen, no less
(Montclair
State) --- in the winter of 1968. It
wasn't our age, because the
drinking
age in NY was 18, even though it was 21 in NJ.
We went back a few
weeks
later --- just for another forbidden try.
Dawn
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Dawn B.
Sova wrote:
>
>
Does anyone else (besides me) remember when women were thrown out of
>
McSorley's?? Three smart-ass college
girls --- freshmen, no less
>
(Montclair State) --- in the winter of 1968.
It wasn't our age, because the
>
drinking age in NY was 18, even though it was 21 in NJ. We went back a few
>
weeks later --- just for another forbidden try.
>
>
Dawn
It
sounds like a pretty good story.
david rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Confederacy
of Dunces was one of my all time faves too.
I read
a book review in the Washington Post when it was first published in
the
eighties and was intrigued with the story behind the story. For all you
would
be authors out there, the guy who wrote it was so despondent over not
being
able to get his book published after being rejected by a bunch of
publishing
houses that he literally committed suicide.
His
mother would up shopping the manuscript around to what I remember to be
like
100 publishers before somebody picked it up and the book would winning a
Pulitzer. After hearing a story like that I had to
read it and it was
terrific.
Jerry
Cimino
Fog
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It was Jim
Croce...the album is called "dont mess with jim" or something
like
that....
On Sun,
16 Nov 1997, Jym Mooney wrote:
>
Nancy Brodsky wrote:
>
>
> Jim Croce also had the paranoia blues, from knocking around NYC too
>
> long...
>
>
Are you sure you're not thinking of Paul Simon? This is almost an exact
>
quote from a song on his first solo LP.
>
>
Jym
>
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Dawn B.
Sova wrote:
>
>
Does anyone else (besides me) remember when women were thrown out of
>
McSorley's?? Three smart-ass college
girls --- freshmen, no less
>
(Montclair State) --- in the winter of 1968.
It wasn't our age, because the
>
drinking age in NY was 18, even though it was 21 in NJ. We went back a few
>
weeks later --- just for another forbidden try.
>
>
Dawn
When I
weent to Cooper Union back in the 60's we hung out at
McSorleys---(cheap
beer, dirty with character) men only at that
time--and
as I recall the NY Times ran an article about it being one of
the
last bars in US to hold out for MEN ONLY...as a matter of interest
this
bar used to have its urinals right at the bar--so the legend
goes...I
do recall seeing Corso in there one time and I assume other
NYbeats
hit it on occassion. In Lower Manhattean the bar is famous and I
assume
McSorleys beer now on the market is a rip off of the legend.
Patrick
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D.
Patrick Hornberger wrote:
>
>
Dawn B. Sova wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone else (besides me) remember when women were thrown out of
>
> McSorley's?? Three smart-ass
college girls --- freshmen, no less
>
> (Montclair State) --- in the winter of 1968. It wasn't our age, because the
>
> drinking age in NY was 18, even though it was 21 in NJ. We went back a few
>
> weeks later --- just for another forbidden try.
>
>
>
> Dawn
>
>
When I weent to Cooper Union back in the 60's we hung out at
>
McSorleys---(cheap beer, dirty with character) men only at that
>
time--and as I recall the NY Times ran an article about it being one of
>
the last bars in US to hold out for MEN ONLY...as a matter of interest
>
this bar used to have its urinals right at the bar--so the legend
>
goes...I do recall seeing Corso in there one time and I assume other
>
NYbeats hit it on occassion. In Lower Manhattean the bar is famous and I
>
assume McSorleys beer now on the market is a rip off of the legend.
>
Patrick
>
eastwind@erols.com
Awhile
back i mentioned a book i'd picked up in Wichita from Charlie
Plymell's
friend Pat O'Connor titled "Tales from A Blackout". I
finished
it awhile ago -- and it is really interesting to think of a
legend
of a tavern or bar and the connection of various events in the
Wichita
Vortex all running through to some degree this common place. I
had the
feeling at times of a fly on the wall kind of feeling.
I
imagine that McSorley's and many of the other spots in the guide Bill
Gargan
posted about have wonderful legends (as opposed to histories) as
well --
and wonder if anyone will brave the keyboards and attempt to
provide
the folklore of these places.
It
seems that The Legend of a Place is a wonderful way of connecting
various
stories -- perhaps the converse of The Legends of the Road but
only in
the lack of perpetual motion. The Road
or McSorley's tell the
stories
themselves.
Hope
that such things get considered.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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The following sent to me from fellow in Iowa
City who has no idea where it
originated.
Thought the list might find it entertaining.
j grant
WHAT IF DR. SEUSS DID TECHNICAL WRITING?
If a
packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
and the
bus is interrupted as a very last resort,
and the
address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
then
the socket packet pocket has an error to report.
If your
cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,
and the
double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
and
your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash,
then
your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!
If the
label on the cable on the table at your house,
says
the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
but
your packets want to tunnel on another protocol,
that's
repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,
and
your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss,
so your
icons in the window are as wavy as a souse,
then
you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
'cause
as sure as I'm a poet, the suckers gonna hang!
When
the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disk,
and the
microcode instructions cause unnecessary risk,
then
you have to flash your memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM.
Quickly
turn off the computer and be sure to tell your mom.
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While doing my research, I ran across this
notebook entry of Kerouac's from
September
1951. This explains more of how Kerouac viewed himself as a writer.
He
writes: "I'm going to be a Wolfean Proust, a Whitmanesque Dostoevsky, a
Melvillean
Celine, a Faulknerian Genet - in fact a Kerouassadian Ginsbergian
Shakespeare."
An irony is, that Ginsberg influenced
Kerouac in his writing while
Ginsberg
himself, at a round-table discussion at the Old Worthen in Lowell,
MA. on
October 3rd, 1992, explained that he was very much an imitator of
Kerouac.
On
anothervein, but the same thread:
A precise notation of Kerouac about Twain's
story, "Mysterious Stranger"
can in
fact be connected to his sketches for Doctor Sax. He quotes in his
notebook,
"Life is a dream...you are but a vagrant thought wandering
forlornly
in shoreless eternities." A careful reading of Twain's story can
draw
many parallels to Kerouac and his ideas for Doctor Sax. This
observation
from February 1950 leads Kerouac to write, "Man haunts the
earth. Man
is on a ledge noising his life." The idea that we are amidst
eternity,
that it lives on within and without us parallels Mysterious
Stranger
with K's ideas for early plans of On the Road and Doctor Sax.
That's all for now! Don't forget to buy the
first volume of Selected
Letters
in hardcover from us! They are brand new and will also come with a
free
copy of The Kerouac Quarterly Vol. I, No. 2.
See The Kerouac Quarterly Web Page!
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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On Fri,
14 Nov 1997 14:17:26 +0000 Marie Countryman wrote:
>
From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>
>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:17:26 +0000
>
Subject: Re: Tom Finds Problems in Beat History
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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>
intro to queer?
Probably. But my library has lost its copy... which
doesn't surprise me. WSB
must be
a well stolen author. And I resent
paying #7 (about $12 ?) for a new
copy
of it.
I also
found a photo of Joan - in my copy of El Hombre Invisible, print of the
newspaper
reporting the incident.
Tom.
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THE
KITCHEN CLOCK
How can
we make it run backwards,
That
taciturn white circle with
Its
torpid black hands? We only
Touch
the hands when standard
Time
comes to shorten or daylight
Saving
to lengthen our days. That
Clock
is lazy; I'd like to throw
Eggs at
it. But I don't want it
To go
forward faster, as if it
Were
drawn by death. Let it run
Gently
backwards, pausing to
Greet
happy times again: the
Day
when the schoolboy wrote
His
first poem; the day when
The
first jonquil bloomed in
His
little garden; the day when
His
father tossed him into the
Lake
without water-wings to
Prove
to him he could swim.
"En
arriere, ruckwaerts" and "in
Dietro;"
those are your orders,
Lazy
clock, until the spring
Breaks
and it doesn't matter
What
you do anymore.
--James
Laughlin
In
Memoriam - James Laughlin
1914 -
1997
http://www.connectotel.com/marcus/laughlin.html
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I
certainly remember the days before women were allowed in. The old man at the
door was like Cerberus keeping out both the
fairer sex and those who were unde
rage. When weomen were first allowed in back in
the early 1970s, there was on
ly one
restroom. That was a lot of fun for a
while. Now, I'm happy to report
that
there are separate facilities for men and women. Lately, when I look arou
nd, I
usually see almost as many women as men sipping their ales around the old
coal stove.
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I live
right by Union square but Ive never seen McSorley's. Where is it?
On Mon,
17 Nov 1997, D. Patrick Hornberger wrote:
>
Dawn B. Sova wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone else (besides me) remember when women were thrown out of
>
> McSorley's?? Three smart-ass
college girls --- freshmen, no less
>
> (Montclair State) --- in the winter of 1968. It wasn't our age, because the
>
> drinking age in NY was 18, even though it was 21 in NJ. We went back a few
>
> weeks later --- just for another forbidden try.
>
>
>
> Dawn
>
>
>
When I weent to Cooper Union back in the 60's we hung out at
>
McSorleys---(cheap beer, dirty with character) men only at that
>
time--and as I recall the NY Times ran an article about it being one of
>
the last bars in US to hold out for MEN ONLY...as a matter of interest
>
this bar used to have its urinals right at the bar--so the legend
>
goes...I do recall seeing Corso in there one time and I assume other
>
NYbeats hit it on occassion. In Lower Manhattean the bar is famous and I
>
assume McSorleys beer now on the market is a rip off of the legend.
>
Patrick
>
eastwind@erols.com
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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Nanct
Brodsky wrote on Nov. 17:
> It
was Jim Croce...the album is called "dont mess with jim" or something
>
like that....
>
>
> On
Sun, 16 Nov 1997, Jym Mooney wrote:
>
>
> Nancy Brodsky wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jim Croce also had the paranoia blues, from knocking around NYC too
>
> > long...
>
>
>
> Are you sure you're not thinking of Paul Simon? This is almost an
exact
>
> quote from a song on his first solo LP.
>
>
>
> Jym
I guess
New York City makes everyone a little paranoid. :)
Jym
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well if
it's important to you, suck it up, join the ranks and pay the price.
i've
had to
do that for volumes in my own library never mind the public domain.
diff'
strokes for diff' folks i guess
maybe
you don't feel a need to read it. or suck it up. whatever.
mc
Tom
wrote:
> On
Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:17:26 +0000 Marie Countryman wrote:
>
>
> From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>
>
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:17:26 +0000
>
> Subject: Re: Tom Finds Problems in Beat History
>
> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>
>
> intro to queer?
>
>
Probably. But my library has lost its
copy... which doesn't surprise me. WSB
>
must be a well stolen author. And I
resent paying #7 (about $12 ?) for a new
> copy
> of
it.
> I
also found a photo of Joan - in my copy of El Hombre Invisible, print of the
>
newspaper reporting the incident.
>
>
Tom.
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thanks
for the smile, jo: and you might even take a serious look at _oh the
places
you'll go_ as an original beat book for kids:(however sexist but oh my
how
that fits in with the beats <g>)
"you
have brains in your head.
you
have feet in yr shoes
you can
steer youself
any
direction you choose.
you're
on your own. and you know what you know
and YOU
are the guy
who'll
decide where to go.
you
look up and down streets. look 'em over with care
About
some you'll say 'I don't choose to go there."
with
your head full of brains and your shoes full of feet
you're
too smart to go down a not-so-good street
and
yoou may not find any
you'll
want to go down'
in that
case of course
you'll head straight out of town.
it's
opener there
in the
wide open air.
out
there things can happen
and
frequently do
to
people as brainy
and
footsy as you.
and
when things start to happen,
don't
worry, don't stew.
just go
right along
you'll
start happening too.
OH THE
PLACES YOU'LL GO!
you'll
be on your way up!
you'll
be seeing great sights!
you'll
join the high fliers
who
soar to high heights.
you
won''t lag behind, because you'll have the speed.
you'll
pass the whole gang and you'll soon take the lead
wherever
you fly, you'll be best of the best.
where
ever you go, you will top all the rest.
escept
when you DON'T
becaus,
sometimes you won't
i'm
sorry to say so
but
sadly it's true
that
bang-ups and hang-ups can happen t o you
you can
get all hung up
in a
prickle-ly perch.
and
your gang will fly on
you'll
be left in a lurch
you'll
come down from the Lurch
with an
unpleasant bump
and the
chances are, the,
that
youl'' be in a slump
and
when you're in a slump,
you're not in for much fun
un-slumping
yrself
is not
easily done
you'll
come to a place whre the streets ae not marked
some
windows are lighted. but mostly theypre darked.
a place
you could sprain both your elbow and chin!
do you
dare to stay out? do you dare to go in?
how
much can you lose ? ho much can you wn?
and IF
you go in, shd you turn left or right..
or
right and three quartyers, or maybe not quite"
or go
around bak and sneak in from behind?
simple
it's not I'm afraid you will find,
for a
mind-maker-upper to make up his mind.
you can
get so confused
that
you'll start in to race
down
long wiggled roads at a break necking pace
and
grind on for miles across weirdish wild space,
headed,
i fear, toward a most useless place.
THE
WAITING PLACCE
for
people just waiting.
waiting
for a train to go
or a
bus to come, or a plane to go
or the
maile to come, or the rain to go,
or the
phone to ring or the snow to snow
or waiting around for a Yes or No
or
waiting for their hair to grow.
everone
is just waiting.
waiting
for the fish to bit
or
waiting for the wind to fly a kite
or
waiting around for frieday night
or
waiting perhaps for their uncle jake
or a
pot to boil, or a Better Break
or a
string of pearls, or a pair of pants
or a
wig with curls or Another Chance.
everone
is just waiting.
NO!
THAT'S
NOT FOR YOU!
somehow
you'll escape
all
that waiting and staying
you'll
find the bright places
where
boom bands are playing
with
banner flip-flapping,
once
more you'll ride high!
ready
for anyting under the sky
oh, the
places you'll go! there is fun to be done!
there
are points to be scored. there are games to be won
and the
magical things you can do with that ball
will
make you the winning-est winner of all
Fame !
you'll be famous as famous can be,
wit
hthe whole wide world watching you win on tv
except
when the y don't
because
sometimes they won't
im'm
afraid that sometimes you'll play lonely games too
games
you cant' win
cause
you'll play against you
ALL
ALONE!
whether
you like it or not
alone
will be something you'll be quite a lot
and
when you're alone, there's a very god chance
you'll
meet things that scare you right out of your pants
there
are some, down the road between hither and yon
that
can scare you so much you won't want to
go on
but on
you will go
though
the weather be foul
on you
will go
though
your enemies prowl
on you
will go
through
the Hakken-Kraks howl
onward
up many
a
frightening creek
though
your arms may get sore
and
your sneakers may leak.
on and
on you will hike
and i
know you'll hike far
and
face up to your problems
whatever
they are
you'll
get mixed up of course,
as you
already know.
you'll
get mixed up
with
many strange birds as you go
so be
sure where you step
step
with care and great tact
and
remember that Life's
a Great
Balancing Act.
just
never foregert to be dexterous and deft
and
never mix up your right foot with your left.
etc
words
by dr suess
typos
by me
whole
damned enchalada dipped soundly with wine.
and so
it goes...
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in the
grocery
without
walt whitman
hey -
you
ever been to that corner
in the
grocery store?
the
damaged goods?
cans
with dings, dents, lost labels?
(all
dramatically reduced in price
for a
quick sale
for
hearty adventurers
or the
desperately hungry)
if so,
be
quiet,
approach
with caution
handle
all of us with care
look
real careful
look
hard
hold yr
breath
close
yr eyes,
and
look
again:
that's
me in this corner
a
dented soul-
damaged
goods.
do you
think you will
hear
me?
see me?
and if
so,
take
the chance,
buy and
open,
taste
and
recognize
me?
(that's
me in the corner
dented
and dinged,
awaiting
a pan
to call home
mc
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never
hit the send button when u r drunk
sorry
all.
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I put up
all the info on the Some of the Dharma reading and performances in
New
York happening in December. Check The Kerouac Quarterly Web Page.
Included
is the price, line-up (great!), and other pertinent information. Go to:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
thanks! Paul.....
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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The
current (Nov.-Dec.) issue of the _Utne Reader_ has a feature focus on
"Beyond
Hip." An article by Tom Frank entitled "Let Them Eat Lifestyle"
has a
picture of the GAP ad with Kerouac (p. 44); the article briefly
refers
to this ad and discusses the Volvo ad which quoted from _On the
Road_
(p. 45). On the back page, under a picture of Bob Denver as
TVBeatnik
Maynard G. Krebs, the magazine includes the following passage
from
Mailer's _Advertisements for Myself_: "the beatnik is more likely to
have a
good mind than a good body."--I guess the athletic Kerouac and
Cassady
wouldn't fit the pattern of the beatnik.
Cordially,
Mike
Skau
wow! I don't know about you guys but that strikes
me as being in very poor
taste. After all these years Kerouac is still being
seen as more of a symbol
than a
writer. It's the whole "King of
the Beats" thing all over again.
This
kind of
labeling helped to destroy him. It
seems dishonest somehow, using
someone's
image to sell a product after they're dead.
I think it's kind of
disrespectful
to his memory. He would have hated
it!!!!!! (In my opinion)
What
are your impressions?
Shani
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Subject: harrington Book
I just
received a copy of Alan Harrington's THE REVELATIONS OF DR.MODESTO via
interlibary
loan. Has anyone ever read it? Just wondered if there were some
opinions
on it, thanks.
Dave B.
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Subject: Beat fad?
What is
at the root of the resurgence of interest in Beat culture and
literature?
Is
it just a fad?
Shani
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>What
is at the root of the resurgence of interest in Beat culture and
>literature?
>Is
it just a fad?
well... let me be the first to point out
the obvious, and that's
the
deaths of allen and bill within the same year.. secondly, i think
the
beat doctrine validates the desired lifestyles of the young
generation,
especially in a time when government and societorial
intrusion
of privacy is at a high, and the go to school get a job get
married
have kids house in the suburbs 2 cars life insurance retirement
hyseria
is beaten into everyone's head on a daily basis.. it validates
the
wanderlust carelessness lack of definite direction of the young
generation..
of which i am a part, so i don't wanna hear any whining
about
what do i know from all you whuppersnappers out there.
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Tyson
Ouellette wrote:
> of the young
>
generation.. of which i am a part, so i don't wanna hear any whining
>
about what do i know from all you whuppersnappers out there.
laughing
not whining! may the whuppersnappers
beware!!!!!!!!!!!
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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ain't
it sad,
deaths
equal a fad
even
before
the
deaths of AG and wsb
the Gap
ads were out
yet
it is
the death
the
media flash in the pan
all
over again.
first
time out it killed jack
no one
left to kill by lifestyle fame,
maybe
this time
it
ain't the same
but
i
dunno.
cheers
mc
a toast
to jack
may our
livers meet safe in heaven
mc
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Marie Countryman wrote:
>
yet
> it
is the death
>
the media flash in the pan
>
all over again.
>
first time out it killed jack
> no
one left to kill by lifestyle fame,
It
wasn't fame or media hype that killed Jack, it was his own inability
to find
anything in life positive enough to live for.
And his sorrow and
despair
about the nature of human life was ingrained in his mind before
On the
Road was even published or he had any kind of popularity at all.
Fame
was at most an inconvenience, his attitudes about life were formed
early
on.
DC
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has a picture of the GAP ad with Kerouac
Somewhere
at some point I found a sharp copy of this online and stuck it
on my
site but it disappeared somehow sometime and I've no clue as to
where I
found it. Does anyone know where this
would be having run across
it? Sometimes my own befuddledness amazes me.
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Tyson
makes a valid point but I think it has a great deal to do with the
nostalgia
that seems to characterize the 90s. And
a big reason of why
culture
keeps looking backward for direction is that there's nothing or no
one now
trying to take it forward, going back to some of my points in the
misbegotten
Generation X thread.
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are you
my angel?
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Of
COURSE he would've hated it--it's just so bizarre--has anyone seen the
adbusters
ad for jeans that says HITLER WORE KHAKIS?
Hitler in a
nonchalent
pose, etc. Pretty f**king funny, and
makes the point
Don Lee
Fayetteville,
Ark.
The
Angel departs and where there was no fire no smoke, there is
really
a little too much gravity for your species optimum performance.
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no
The
Angel departs and where there was no fire no smoke, there is
really
a little too much gravity for your species optimum performance.
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It IS
obvious but also true, as true now as 40 years ago--having your life
arranged
for you by Consensus Reality--I mean, if you want a wife a
station
wagon a dog plus 2.5 kids, fine--I am not being ironic,
actually--but
to HAVE THAT LAID OUT FOR FOR YOU is horrific to anyone w/ a
brain--same
now as in 1957, same (hopefully) 40 years from now...
Don Lee
Fayetteville,
Ark.
The
Angel departs and where there was no fire no smoke, there is
really
a little too much gravity for your species optimum performance.
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Hello
Diane,
The
other day you gave us a wonderful excerpt from Jack Kerouac's "Are
Writers
Made or Born". I was struck especially with the following quote:
'Geniuses
can be scintillating and geniuses can be somber, but it's the
inescapeable
sorrowful depth that shines through--originality.'
I
second you notion
leon
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>>
Marie Countryman wrote:
>
>>
yet
>>
it is the death
>>
the media flash in the pan
>>
all over again.
>>
first time out it killed jack
>>
no one left to kill by lifestyle fame,
>
>It
wasn't fame or media hype that killed Jack, it was his own inability
>to
find anything in life positive enough to live for. And his sorrow and
>despair
about the nature of human life was ingrained in his mind before
>On
the Road was even published or he had any kind of popularity at all.
>Fame
was at most an inconvenience, his attitudes about life were formed
>early
on.
>DC
>.-
>
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From: Anthony Celentano
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Subject: Re: McSorley's
The
famed palace of virility and debuach is located on East 7th Street (btw.
2nd and
3rd) in the East Village. I used ta
live a few doors down from that
thar
drinkin house, and let me tell you, the odor of sticky beer was not
unpotent
as it emanated from the hallowed doors of the ancient Place.
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Thanks
to Rinaldo for sending along the tribute.
Jay Laughlin was my
next
door neighbour in Norfolk. Nice
guy. Skied with him a couple of
times,
and was in awe of the fact he actually knew my beat heroes.
It made
me feel kind of connected to the scene
just to know him. Being
a
country beat or at least a beat lit reader living in the country
wasn't
very common at the time.
He was
kind enough to send a personal note along when he rejected my
book of
poetry "Shadows of Norfolk" for publication. Softened the blow
considerably
.
Farewell,
Jay. Journey well.
Buffalo
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I have
a framed picture of this ad on my wall and also,a framed picture
of a
very young Allen Ginsberg from New Yorker.
On Mon,
17 Nov 1997, Alex Howard wrote:
>
> has a picture of the GAP ad with Kerouac
>
>
Somewhere at some point I found a sharp copy of this online and stuck it
> on
my site but it disappeared somehow sometime and I've no clue as to
>
where I found it. Does anyone know
where this would be having run across
>
it? Sometimes my own befuddledness
amazes me.
>
>
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>
Alex Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>
kh14586@am.appstate.edu
P.O. Box 12149
>
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586
Boone, NC 28608
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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From: Bill Morgan <Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>
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Marlene:
The
relationship between Nin and Ginsberg wasn't deep, but they did know each
other. To find her own references to their meeting
you might check out the
1955-1966
sections of her diary. I have the
Harcourt Brace Jovanovich
edition
which begins around page 63. Good luck
with your research.
Bill
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It's my
theory that the 90's are a lot like the 50's- conservative,
security
oriented, corporate, big government knows best- hence the
resonance
beat literature is generating. It follows that the first
decade
of the new millenium will be like the 60's all over again (only
more so
this time). Anyone else thinking this way?
Mark
Hemenway
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Dear
Marie:
Yes, I
believe that you're right to say that Naked Lunch and Interzone
routines
first came from letters to Ginsberg and maybe others. I think that
they
were not part of the letters though, they were separate routines that he
sent
along with the letters. Allen began
saving them and saw their literary
value
and encouraged Burroughs to put them together for a book. I think he
encouraged
all his friends to write books, though.
Other letters to books
would
be similar, I guess. Beatrix Potter's
letters to children became Peter
Rabbit,
etc., but they were simply "in" letters, still written as stories.
Bill
Morgan
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Bill:
Thanks
for the kind words about the walking tour book. Please be on the
lookout
for any errors and/or typos in the book and let me know for future
reprintings. And when you get to McSorley's next, give me
a call. And
whoever
heard that urinals were at the bar, I think was mis-informed.
Bill
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>It's
my theory that the 90's are a lot like the 50's- conservative,
>security
oriented, corporate, big government knows best- hence the
>resonance
beat literature is generating. It follows that the first
>decade
of the new millenium will be like the 60's all over again (only
>more
so this time). Anyone else thinking this way?
>
>Mark
Hemenway
I've
felt that way for the last ten years or so and I'm excited to see what
lies
down the road. You can trace the cycle back through the decades well
before
the 60's. The reform era bohemianism near the turn of the century.
Late
20's and 30's radicalism, the 60's. So much of how each swing
manifests
itself has to do with the particular going-ons of the
culture/society
at the time: the great depressio; Vietnam war and nuclear
threat
of extinction. What will be happening a few years down the road? So
much
has changed since the sixties, such a short time ago but oh so
different!
Looking
toward the future with a heartbeat on the past.
Michael
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beat-L'ers
i have
just complete a zinc etching of blues legend Robert Johnson. Unlike
my
previous projects, that were were linoblock relief prints - this is
not.
"Rbt.Johnson" is printed from an acid etched zinc plate (intaglio-
soft
ground & aquatint) print, printed on high grade watermarked paper.
Etching
allows for much more subtlety of image and i think
that
this is one of the best pieces i have done. Paper size is 15"x22" and
the image
size is 6"x9 1/2". I have run this etching in an edition of 6
(w/ one
artist's proof) and have destroyed the plate.
This edition is for sale for $20US per
print, including shipping
and
handling.
if any of you are interested, pls let
me know and i can send out
some
further details and info.
Thanks
derek
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Derek
beaulieu
House
Press (limited ed. chapbooks, prints, etc)
#5-933
3rd ave nw
calgary,
alberta, canada, t2n0j7
"remove
literary, grammatical & syntactical inhibition"
-Jack
Kerouac
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The
advertising industry has almost erased reality. It's like a monster.
But if
you go into the monster and look at one little cell it's a normal,
healthy,
hard-working cell. I have friends in the industry. Good people,
but the
"whole" is sick. I cranked out commercials and produced them for
radio
years ago. Had fun, made money, but the horizon was clouded with
pollutants--coldn't
see anything clearly enough to continue--just the
smudged
green of money.
I'm
reminded occasionally that my retirement income would be considerably
more
than it is if I had kicked-back, cranked, and ignored the view rather
than
tearing my pants climbing through fences.
But,
living lean has it's advatages, advantages, advantages, advantages, ad
van t a
ge s s s s...screech click.
j grant
>Of
COURSE he would've hated it--it's just so bizarre--has anyone seen the
>adbusters
ad for jeans that says HITLER WORE KHAKIS?
Hitler in a
>nonchalent
pose, etc. Pretty f**king funny, and
makes the point
>
>Don
Lee
>Fayetteville,
Ark.
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Derek,
I'd
like one. How do I pay for it?
J
grant,
>beat-L'ers
>i
have just complete a zinc etching of blues legend Robert Johnson. Unlike
>my
previous projects, that were were linoblock relief prints - this is
>not.
"Rbt.Johnson" is printed from an acid etched zinc plate (intaglio-
>soft
ground & aquatint) print, printed on high grade watermarked paper.
>Etching
allows for much more subtlety of image and i think
>that
this is one of the best pieces i have done. Paper size is 15"x22" and
>the
image size is 6"x9 1/2". I have run this etching in an edition of 6
>(w/
one artist's proof) and have destroyed the plate.
> This edition is for sale for $20US per
print, including shipping
>and
handling.
> if any of you are interested, pls let
me know and i can send out
>some
further details and info.
> Thanks
> derek
>****************************
>Derek
beaulieu
>House
Press (limited ed. chapbooks, prints, etc)
>#5-933
3rd ave nw
>calgary,
alberta, canada, t2n0j7
>"remove
literary, grammatical & syntactical inhibition"
> -Jack
Kerouac
>*****************
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On Mon,
17 Nov 1997 17:50:16 +0000 Marie Countryman wrote:
>
From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>
>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:50:16 +0000
>
Subject: Re: Tom Finds Problems in Beat History
>
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>
>
well if it's important to you, suck it up, join the ranks and pay the price.
> i've
>
had to do that for volumes in my own library never mind the public domain.
>
diff' strokes for diff' folks i guess
>
maybe you don't feel a need to read it. or suck it up. whatever.
> mc
Just
find sucking up difficult sometimes.
Caroline
Cassady just gave a talk here.
Cool. Asked her about Joan, but
she
never
met
her. Although she did talk about
Ginsberg's theory that Joan might have
been
suicidal,
and moved slightly. Interesting anyway.
Tom.
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>>What
is at the root of the resurgence of interest in Beat culture and
>>literature?
>>Is
it just a fad?
>
> well... let me be the first to point out
the obvious, and that's
>the
deaths of allen and bill within the same year.. secondly, i think
>the
beat doctrine validates the desired lifestyles of the young
>generation,
especially in a time when government and societorial
>intrusion
of privacy is at a high, and the go to school get a job get
>married
have kids house in the suburbs 2 cars life insurance retirement
>hyseria
is beaten into everyone's head on a daily basis.. it validates
>the
wanderlust carelessness lack of definite direction of the young
>generation..
of which i am a part, so i don't wanna hear any whining
>about
what do i know from all you whuppersnappers out there.
A
whippersnapper whining about whuppersnappers ?
:)
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Subject: utne
it
seems especially dishonest to be selling jk's soul on a gap ad:j.
The
current (Nov.-Dec.) issue of the _Utne Reader_ has a feature focus on
"Beyond
Hip." An article by Tom Frank entitled "Let Them Eat Lifestyle"
has a
picture of the GAP ad with Kerouac (p. 44); the article briefly
refers
to this ad and discusses the Volvo ad which quoted from _On the
Road_
(p. 45). On the back page, under a picture of Bob Denver as
TVBeatnik
Maynard G. Krebs, the magazine includes the following passage
from
Mailer's _Advertisements for Myself_: "the beatnik is more likely to
have a
good mind than a good body."--I guess the athletic Kerouac and
Cassady
wouldn't fit the pattern of the beatnik.
Cordially,
Mike
Skau
wow! I don't know about you guys but that strikes
me as being in very poor
taste. After all these years Kerouac is still being
seen as more of a symbol
than a
writer. It's the whole "King of
the Beats" thing all over again.
This
kind of
labeling helped to destroy him. It
seems dishonest somehow, using
someone's
image to sell a product after they're dead.
I think it's kind of
disrespectful
to his memory. He would have hated
it!!!!!! (In my opinion)
What
are your impressions?
Shani
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It's my
theory that the 90's are a lot like the 50's- conservative,
security
oriented, corporate, big government knows best- hence the
resonance
beat literature is generating. It follows that the first
decade
of the new millenium will be like the 60's all over again (only
more so
this time). Anyone else thinking this way?
Mark
Hemenway
absolutely:
its inevitable:j.
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At
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>From: "Hemenway . Mark"
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>Subject:
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>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>It's
my theory that the 90's are a lot like the 50's- conservative,
>security
oriented, corporate, big government knows best- hence the
>resonance
beat literature is generating. It follows that the first
>decade
of the new millenium will be like the 60's all over again (only
>more
so this time). Anyone else thinking this way?
>
>Mark
Hemenway
>
>absolutely:
its inevitable:j.
>
>
Actually
this is what they said in the 80's.
They said the 90's would be
like
the 60's.
Remember
that movie Flashback with Dennis Hopper and Kiefer Suthurland?
That
was the catch phrase, something like: the 90's are going to make the
60's
look like the 50's.
To me
it's all hype and advertising all round.
"life
is pretty cheap/it's sold a decade at a time" --Flipper (remember them?)
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Actually,
I thought it was "The 90's are the 60's, upside down"
On Tue,
18 Nov 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
> At
11:07 AM 11/18/97 MST/MDT, you wrote:
>
>Date sent: Tue, 18 Nov 1997
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>
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>From: "Hemenway .
Mark" <MHemenway@DRC.COM>
>
>Subject: Beat Fad
>
>To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>
>
>It's my theory that the 90's are a lot like the 50's- conservative,
>
>security oriented, corporate, big government knows best- hence the
>
>resonance beat literature is generating. It follows that the first
>
>decade of the new millenium will be like the 60's all over again (only
>
>more so this time). Anyone else thinking this way?
>
>
>
>Mark Hemenway
>
>
>
>absolutely: its inevitable:j.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Actually this is what they said in the 80's.
They said the 90's would be
>
like the 60's.
>
>
Remember that movie Flashback with Dennis Hopper and Kiefer Suthurland?
>
That was the catch phrase, something like: the 90's are going to make the
>
60's look like the 50's.
>
> To
me it's all hype and advertising all round.
>
>
"life is pretty cheap/it's sold a decade at a time" --Flipper (remember
them?)
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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marie
wrote:
>a
toast to jack
>may
our livers meet safe in heaven
>mc
>
it's windy
(early in the
morning)
it's sunny
(in the
morning)
people didn't like
being called for free
(before
midday)
dear Sir! DEAR SIR!
sorry
for the disturbance!
hoax
blots
HOAX 99% OF THE TIME,
now
(in the evening)
dear Lord! sorry SORRY!
we are A BUNCH OF boxers
and of course god,
yep GOD,
god is a
punch-drunk boxer.
---
Rinaldo
18th
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thanks
bill: i have a not too clear memory of a burroughs letter to AG in which
he
wrote that the books were embedded in the letters, i didn't think of the
routines
as separate attatchments, so to speak. i've started reading the
letters,
and yes they do refer to pieces of writing (routines) which are not
written
out into the letters i have read so far.
thanks
again.
mc
Bill
Morgan wrote:
>
Dear Marie:
>
Yes, I believe that you're right to say that Naked Lunch and Interzone
>
routines first came from letters to Ginsberg and maybe others. I think that
>
they were not part of the letters though, they were separate routines that he
>
sent along with the letters. Allen
began saving them and saw their literary
>
value and encouraged Burroughs to put them together for a book. I think he
>
encouraged all his friends to write books, though. Other letters to books
>
would be similar, I guess. Beatrix
Potter's letters to children became Peter
>
Rabbit, etc., but they were simply "in" letters, still written as
stories.
>
Bill Morgan
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Okay....I've
been waiting to see which direction this thread is taking,
but I
think now is the time to get in on this.
Since about 1989 or so,
I've
been obcessed with Postwar culture (call it Postwar Cool, call it
Vintage,
just don't call it Retro--I hate that word!! It's like "beatnik")
which
has sort of snowballed. It started with
the Beat Generation, which
got me
interested in other 50's youth subcultures.
This logically led me
to
Rockabilly, and the rest is history. I
don't know how it happened, but
there's
something about this music that just makes sense. It moves you in
ways
that Nirvana just can't. Listen to
"Love Me" by the Phantom and
you'll
see what I mean.
I
thrift-shop for our clothing, my husband and I drive a 1953 Chevy, we
collect
furniture from the 40's and 50's (some early 60's stuff...). It
wasn't
really planned and it's not a "prerequisite to be Rockabilly"--HA!!
It's
just that Heywood-Wakefield furniture is so much cooler and well-made
compared
to that chrome and lucite crap in the stores nowadays. Our car
will
last a thousand years if we take care of it, unlike some of those
tennis-shoe
shaped modern atrocities. When I wear
an outfit to a show, I
can be
sure that I won't run into ten other women wearing the same thing
because
I bought it at the mall. And if we didn't buy this stuff, it would
probably
be in a landfill somewhere. IMHO, the 90's are completely void of
soul. Is it any wonder that some people should
look to the past for
inspiration? Granted, my life is somewhat of an extreme
example, but what
can I
say?? Thrift shopping and garage sales are addicting. Real Rock and
Roll is
addicting. Most of what popular
American culture today has to
offer
couldn't get me up with a cannon and a drum.
Anne
Sneddon
Now
playing: "Pinball
Millionaire" by Ray Campi
On Tue,
18 Nov 1997, Nancy B Brodsky wrote:
>
Actually, I thought it was "The 90's are the 60's, upside down"
>
>
> On
Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
>
>
> At 11:07 AM 11/18/97 MST/MDT, you wrote:
>
> >Date sent: Tue, 18 Nov
1997 08:37:45 -0500
>
> >Send reply to: "BEAT-L:
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>
> >From: "Hemenway
. Mark" <MHemenway@DRC.COM>
>
> >Subject: Beat Fad
>
> >To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> >
>
> >It's my theory that the 90's are a lot like the 50's- conservative,
>
> >security oriented, corporate, big government knows best- hence the
>
> >resonance beat literature is generating. It follows that the first
>
> >decade of the new millenium will be like the 60's all over again (only
>
> >more so this time). Anyone else thinking this way?
>
> >
>
> >Mark Hemenway
>
> >
>
> >absolutely: its inevitable:j.
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
> Actually this is what they said in the 80's. They said the 90's would be
>
> like the 60's.
>
>
>
> Remember that movie Flashback with Dennis Hopper and Kiefer Suthurland?
>
> That was the catch phrase, something like: the 90's are going to make the
>
> 60's look like the 50's.
>
>
>
> To me it's all hype and advertising all round.
>
>
>
> "life is pretty cheap/it's sold a decade at a time" --Flipper
(remember
them?)
>
>
>
>
The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
>
Sure-JK
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:04:20 +0000
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: Re: Ode to Crazy Bull Caffe' in Piazzale
Candiani
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ihink
you are onto something, rinaldo.
i
enjoyed the pome,
wondering
what psychotic post you got my toast to jack from.
marie
Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
marie wrote:
>
>a toast to jack
>
>may our livers meet safe in heaven
>
>mc
>
>
> it's windy
> (early in the
morning)
>
> it's sunny
> (in the
morning)
>
> people didn't like
> being called for free
>
> (before
midday)
>
> dear Sir! DEAR SIR!
> sorry
> for the disturbance!
>
> hoax
> blots
>
> HOAX 99% OF THE TIME,
>
> now
> (in the evening)
>
> dear Lord! sorry SORRY!
>
> we are A BUNCH OF boxers
>
> and of course god,
> yep GOD,
> god is a
punch-drunk boxer.
>
>
---
>
Rinaldo
>
18th nov 1997
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>I've
felt that way for the last ten years or so and I'm excited to see
>what
>lies
down the road. You can trace the cycle back through the decades
>well
>before
the 60's. The reform era bohemianism near the turn of the
>century.
>Late
20's and 30's radicalism, the 60's. So much of how each swing
>manifests
itself has to do with the particular going-ons of the
>culture/society
at the time:
as interesting and appealing as it is to
pigeonhole generational
tendencies
into neat little cycles, i don't think it's very accurate.
even if
it's evident that it has matched up before in this century,
you're
talking a very limited time span out of eons of human existence.
the same
cyclical diagram could be applied to war, every twentyish
years,
ww1, ww2, vietnam... but that isn't really happening now.. it's
unrealistic
to expect things to bend to habit. and
i think that
because
we are in and even more so approaching a pretty unique period
nationally
and globally the higher the chances that something entirely
unexpected
will happen. maybe, to use another
potentially inaccurate
analogy,
we're escaping the violent chaotic angst of our adolescence as
a
country and approaching an age that has a need for stripping down to
simplicity
and the simple pleasures that come with it.
i think the
beatific
interest will continue to grow, whether it manifests itself as
a
direct interest in the beat generation or just a similar doctrine
based
upon a natural progression. the coming
decades though, it seems,
will
definitely cater to an increased interest in simplicity and the
basics
of human relations among themselved and to their environment.
despite
exploding technology, i hope, we'll see a new allowance for
those
who wish to remove themselves from the daily grind of 9-5 jobs
and the
american obsession with what is essentially forced-labor in
this
country. let us hope the hobo will
again have a place in american
society.
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Fad in
the 50's.
Trend
in the 60's.
Old
news in the 70's.
Rediscovered
in the 80's.
Classic
in the 90's.
"cannon"
in the 00's?
Howard
Park
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>> of the young
>>
generation.. of which i am a part, so i don't wanna hear any whining
>>
about what do i know from all you whuppersnappers out there.
>laughing
not whining! may the whuppersnappers
beware!!!!!!!!!!!
ack!
and of course i had to go mispell whippersnappers... what
can i
say, i'm typing on my laptop and the jeys are so mouch more
crammed
together...
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>It
wasn't fame or media hype that killed Jack, it was his own inability