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From: "Shani St.John"
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Subject: Beat Generation multi-media???
Has
anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs? I really want to get some
feed-back
before spending the money. Also, I'm looking for more Kerouac spoken
word! I already own Rhino's JK and Beat Generation
compilation. Is there
anything
else out there?!
Thank
You!!!
Shani
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Shani,
I
received the Kerouac CD-ROM as a present last Xmas time. I really like it,
there
are pages in Jack's journals that you can turn, nice narration from
various
fellow Beat authors and other goodies. Well worth the price I'd say.
But not
cheap.
Dave B.
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> Question
> Date:
> Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:21:21 -0500
> From:
> "R. Bentz Kirby"
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>
>
>
Jack Kerouac and Thomas Wolfe have been criticized for being story
>
tellers, or just writing down what happened.
It seems to me that there
> is
a large element of fiction involved, more than most would like to
>
see, but it all is based on reality.
>
> My
question is this, my life and the lifes of most people I know have
>
some exciting moments, but generally are full of daily routine. If
>
Jack's work is mostly autobiographical, that is actually just telling
>
what happened, wouldn't that take a writer of greater statute to be able
> to
make everyday life so full, so true and such an inspiration. I think
> it
would, because he would have to actually see, and not imagine. What
> do
you think?
>
> --
>
>
Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
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>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
Bentz:
maybe
it's just that a lot of us don't slow down often enough to enjoy
the
beauty that exists in our everday lives--we're so built into
routine,
that we don't see sometimes how beautiful that routine is...
cathy
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From: Bill Morgan <Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>
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Dear
Bill:
Thanks
for mentioning the Times article, they did a pretty good job, got most
of the
facts straight, etc. I know we've
talked about it privately, but
maybe
we should open for discussion which building in New York City should
have a
"Ginsberg Lived Here" marker.
I favor the apartment on E. 2nd St.
where
he wrote "Kaddish", his greatest poem. The building where he heard
Blake
speak to him is gone. The 2 apartments
they all shared near Columbia
are
still there, as is the apartment he spent the last 20 years of his life
in.
Maybe
you could tell us how to go about getting landmark status, what agency,
etc.? While we're at it, the apartment on W 20th
St. where Kerouac wrote "On
the
Road" should definitely be acknowledged.
Do we dare hope for 2 signs?
Bill
Morgan
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Subject: Ferlinghetti's The Plough of Time
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The
Plough of Time
Night
closed my windows and
The sky
became a crystal house
The
crystal windows glowed
The
moon
shown
through them
through
the whole house of crystal
A
single star beamed down
its
crystal cable
and
drew a plough through the earth
unearthing
bodies clasped together
couples
embracing
around
the earth
They
clung together everywhere
emitting
small cries
that
did not reach the stars
The
crystal earth turned
and the
bodies with it
The
stars remained fixed
each
with its crystal cable
beamed
to earth
each
attached to the immense plow
furrowing
our lives
---
well,
another day, another week, back to work everyone...
a
special salute to Rinaldo (keep those poems coming, my friend)
daniel
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At
05:20 AM 12/1/97 UT, you wrote:
>Has
anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs? I really want to get some
>feed-back
before spending the money. Also, I'm looking for more Kerouac spoken
>word! I already own Rhino's JK and Beat Generation
compilation. Is there
>anything
else out there?!
>
>Thank
You!!!
>Shani
>
There
is the great cassette set of Visions of Cody with Graham Parker and
David
Amram. There is also one forthcoming featuring Kerouac reading On the
Road (I
think)and maybe other selections. Hope this helps! Sincerely, Paul
of TKQ.
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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Firstly,
I apologize for the message I mistakenly sent to the list that
should
have been sent to Howard only.
On Wed,
26 Nov 1997, THE SNARK IS A BOOJUM.... wrote:
>
For those of you who were interested in the Burroughs archives at Ohio State
>
University, I may have some information for you soon.James Grauerholz called
me
> up
and asked if I wanted to do some photo reasearch for a new biography on
>
Burroughs.Of course I said yes, so I hope to begin soon.The book will be pub-
> lished by the Bloomsbury Press, same as did
the Kerouac book; ANGLEHEADED
> HIPSTER. As soon as I know more, I will pass
it on to everyone.
> Don't forget to read WSB's Thanksgiving
Prayer before dinner tomorrow.
What
does "photo research" entail? I'd love to find out who the biography
is
being written by, and whether or not this will be the "authorized"
biography.
Of course, it might be something about the Miles edited "Evil
River:
An Autobiography", to be assembled from Burroughs' journal notes in
the
80's.
Thanks
for letting us know, and looking forward to hearing more.
Cheers,
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I would
go to the Historic Preservation Society or something....
On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, Bill Morgan wrote:
>
Dear Bill:
>
Thanks for mentioning the Times article, they did a pretty good job, got most
> of
the facts straight, etc. I know we've
talked about it privately, but
>
maybe we should open for discussion which building in New York City should
>
have a "Ginsberg Lived Here" marker.
I favor the apartment on E. 2nd St.
>
where he wrote "Kaddish", his greatest poem. The building where he heard
> Blake
speak to him is gone. The 2 apartments
they all shared near Columbia
>
are still there, as is the apartment he spent the last 20 years of his life
>
in.
>
Maybe you could tell us how to go about getting landmark status, what agency,
>
etc.? While we're at it, the apartment
on W 20th St. where Kerouac wrote "On
>
the Road" should definitely be acknowledged. Do we dare hope for 2 signs?
>
Bill Morgan
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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Marie
asked a question a while back about the appearance of routines in
Burroughs'
letters. If you want to trace the development of the routine, I
would
suggest that in addition to the Harris edited Letters, you grab a
copy of
The Yage Letters, Letters to Allen Ginsberg, and Queer.
As far
as I know, the first routine Burroughs wrote in that format (with
the
exception of the much earlier collaboration with Kells Elvins on
"Roosevelt
after Inauguration") appears in the Yage Letters, where he
leaves
the letter format to slip into that dry parodic prose detailing his
adventures
with the villagers and the medicine men in the jungle towns of
S.
America.
In
Queer, Lee uses routines to try to impress his intended (whose name I
can't
recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of
Letters
to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.
Perhaps
John Hasbrouk can enlighten us about this one? (are you still out
there
John?)
It's a
worthwhile project Marie, and I for one would like to hear your
thoughts
whilst in the midst. As far as I'm concerned, it was with the
discovery
of the routine that Burroughs became a writer (in his own
formulation,
a bull-fighter and not a bull-shitter).
Cheers,
Neil
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>so
true- and none of that damn fine music- jack spawned a lot of good things-
>Bob
Dylan for one
Bob
Dylan spawned by the writings of Jack kerouac? Influenced certainly,
but the
pre-teen pictures of Dylan and his guitar with well known blues
musicians
indicates he was on his way as a musician before he'd read any
Keroauc.
j grant
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But not cheap.
I
ordered mine directly from the developer and got it a good 15 or 20
bucks
cheaper than Penguin offers it or any retailer would. They have a
much
more nifty online tour of the CD than Penguin as well with many
gankable
pictures, sounds, and clips.
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Alex
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New
page update!
This week, the Some of the Dharma reading
will be held at St. Mark's in
New
York City....hope to see some of you there. Paul. . .
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
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cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
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BillM.,
I just
want to second all the good things said about your walking tour.
Whenever
I read a biography or some type of non-fiction, I often wonder if a
particular
building is still in existence, etc. It is almost an automatic
response.
I was glad to see that during my last trip to NYC, there was a plaque
on the
building where Henry Miller was born (East 88th St. and York Ave, or
there
abouts). History must be preserved, esp in NYC where everything is torn
down to
make Yuppie Towers. Good work!
Dave
Breithaupt
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All this talk about Bob Dylan and Jim
Morrison has gotten me
thinking
about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the
Beats.
I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as
Lou
Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be
interested
to hear the replies!
Maggie
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It's great to see so much about Lawrence
Ferlinghetti popping up
lately
on the List. After my mentor died, i went through several boxes
of his
books and was able to find a very old copy of a Coney Island of
the
Mind, the fifth printing, published in 1958 by New Directions.
Ferlinghetti
is truly one of the last living Beats, not to mention a
wonderful
example of American poetry at its best. Does anyone know if
he
still does readings and/or lectures? I'd love to get him to come to
my
campus.
Here's my favorite by Ferlinghetti:
"11"
The
world is a beautiful place
to be
born into
if you
don't mind happiness
not
always being
so very
much fun
if you
don't mind a touch of hell
now and
then
just
when everything is fine
because
even in heaven
they
don't sing all the time
The
world is a beautiful place
to be
born into
if you
don't mind some people dying
all the
time
or
maybe only starving some of the time
which
isn't half so bad
if it
isn't you
Oh the
world is a beautiful place
to be
born into
if you
don't much mind
a few
dead minds
in the
higher places
or a
bomb or two
now and
then
in your
upturned faces
or
other such improprieties
as our
Name Brand society
is prey
to
with
its men of distinction
and its
men of extinction
and its
priests
and
other patrolmen
and its
various segregations
and
congressional investigations
and
other constipations
that
our fool flesh
is heir
to
Yes,
the world is the best place of all
for a
lot of such things as
making
the fun scene
and
making the love scene
and
making the sad scene
and
singing low songs and having inspirations
and
walking around
looking
at everything
and
smelling flowers
and
goosing statues
and
even thinking
and
kissing people and
making
babies and wearing pants
and
waving hats and
dancing
and
going swimming in rivers
on
picnics
in the
middle of summer
and
just generally
'living
it up'
Yes
but
then right in the middle of it
comes
the smiling
mortician
Maggie
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Murat
wrote:
>Hello,
[..]
>At 1970, Jim Morrison meets beat poet Michael McClure. McClure
>tries
to persuade Jim to print his poem book -Gods - New Creatures-.Does
>any
one know more about this story..
Jim
Morrison Interview by Jerry Hopkins - Rolling Stone 26th jul 1969.?
[]yes
[]no
>
Also what is relation between Jim
>and
the beats..
1967
Summer of Love?
[]yes
[]no
---
saluti
a tutti da rinaldo
today
it's a foggy, rainy venice, italy.
*Hola
estimado amigo daniel! have an happy week.*
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13.
For
years I never thought of death.
Now the
breath
of the
eternal harlequin
makes
me look up
as if a
defrocked Someone were there
who
might make me into an angel
playing
piano on a riverboat.
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I just
heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.
I don't
know much more -- anybody else? This
was
unexpected
to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.
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| Levi
Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
|
| |
| Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |
| (the beat literature web site) |
|
|
| "Coffeehouse: Writings from the
Web" |
| (a real book, like on paper) |
| also at
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|
|
|
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| |
| "When I was crazy, I thought you
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Probably
the easiest way to begin answering that question about Beat musical
influences
is to send you to Levi Asher's legendary website, Literary Kicks.
<A HREF="
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ ">Literary Kicks</A> or
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
There's
a list there, and I seem to remember invitations to people to add to
it. So
much has happened in music since I was last there, I'm sure the list
has
grown considerably.
Levi's
work is always worth reviewing, and this list is the most comprehensive
one
I've seen. I think there are one or two list-members who've done some
research
on this topic too, though. Can we hear from them?
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maggie,
i would like to offer adam yauch of the
beastie boys as representing many
beat
qualities. he is constantly on the road, chasing the snow up in the
mountains
all across the country. he has become deeply spiritual and
sometimes
lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example). he
spearheaded
the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie
boys
even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.
matt
On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, Maggie Gerrity wrote:
> All this talk about Bob Dylan and Jim
Morrison has gotten me
>
thinking about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the
>
Beats. I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as
>
Lou Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be
>
interested to hear the replies!
> Maggie
>
>
>
>
>
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anyone
know where jack used these words in a poem? they are not instantly
familiar
to me.
if you
know, please respond on the list, then everyone will know.
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From: csmythe@sab.org (Chris Smythe)
To: AngelMindz@aol.com ('AngelMindz@aol.com')
Date:
97-12-01 15:17:46 EST
Hello. For starters, thanks for responding. I have to admit I don't have
much to
go on. I only have one complete line. "..in my quilted boyhood
youth.." I apologize for not having more, but in case
anyone has come across
anything
containing that line, I would grateful to find out what it is. Once
again,
thanks.
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From: AngelMindz@aol.com[SMTP:AngelMindz@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 1997 4:56 PM
To: csmythe@sab.org
Subject: Re: Search
In a
message dated 97-11-29 14:11:51 EST, you write:
<<
csmythe@sab.org >>
Chris...
what are the key words in the poem you're trying to figure out? List
them,
and 200 people on the Beat-L list will probably try (and succeed)
figuring
them out.
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Maggie
Gerrity wrote:
>
> It's great to see so much about Lawrence
Ferlinghetti popping up
>
lately on the List.
Indeed,
we should hear more about Lawrence in this list, and we are
fortunate
enough to have him still fighting life's little battles among
us.
I find
it hard to choose a favourite poem, but this is among the ones
that
ring the bells of delight..
(also
from A Coney Island of the Mind)
14
Don't let that horse
eat that violin
cried Chagall's mother
But he
kept right on
painting
And
became famous
And
kept on painting
The Horse With Violin In
Mouth
And
when he finally finished it
he
jumped up upon the horse
and rode away
waving the violin
And
then with a low bow gave it
to the
first naked nude he ran across
And
there were no strings
attached
---
daniel
caridade
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neil,
thanks!
i do
have the yage letters, and now my resources are complete. i'll probably
have
something coherent to begin a thread with some time this month. would
get to
it sooner, but travel looms. hey all you west coast beats, i'm heading
yr way
by rail to stay with leon and do the sights, meet nice folks, and do a
reading
or two. i'll be able to snag my mail through hotmail.com so i'm very
pleased
not to have to go offlist for the duration. it's a really pleasing
project
for me to get to know burroughs better before pushing on towards the
trilogy.
of all the beats, i know the least about the workings of burroughs
writing.
thanks
again, neil.
Neil M.
Hennessy wrote:
>
Marie asked a question a while back about the appearance of routines in
>
Burroughs' letters. If you want to trace the development of the routine, I
>
would suggest that in addition to the Harris edited Letters, you grab a
>
copy of The Yage Letters, Letters to Allen Ginsberg, and Queer.
>
> As
far as I know, the first routine Burroughs wrote in that format (with
>
the exception of the much earlier collaboration with Kells Elvins on
>
"Roosevelt after Inauguration") appears in the Yage Letters, where he
>
leaves the letter format to slip into that dry parodic prose detailing his
>
adventures with the villagers and the medicine men in the jungle towns of
> S.
America.
>
> In
Queer, Lee uses routines to try to impress his intended (whose name I
>
can't recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of
>
Letters to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.
>
Perhaps John Hasbrouk can enlighten us about this one? (are you still out
>
there John?)
>
>
It's a worthwhile project Marie, and I for one would like to hear your
>
thoughts whilst in the midst. As far as I'm concerned, it was with the
>
discovery of the routine that Burroughs became a writer (in his own
>
formulation, a bull-fighter and not a bull-shitter).
>
> Cheers,
>
Neil
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Subject: Re: beat influence
It is a
real pleasure to see some of these supposedly spiritually dead
entertainers
doing great things- Such as Adam of the Beastie Boys. At first i
was opposed
to Hollywood getting into the Tibetan thing- but hey- no reason
to turn
down hi-profile help- i have now come to realize.
Gene
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For
those interested:
There
is some Ginsberg and Burroughs content on
Patti
Smith's new CD _peace and noise_. The
song
"Spell"
has PS reciting "footnote to howl," and there is
a
dedication to WSB on the front cover of the liner
notes:
"Memento Mori, William Seward Burroughs,
February
5, 1914 - August 2, 1997."
Sorry
if this has been brought to attention already.
Great
album!!
Mike
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Subject: Re: Kathy Acker
Please
excuse my ignorence but - who was Kathy Acker?
I'm just not familier
with
her.
Howard
Park
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Who is
Kathy Acker?
On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, Levi Asher wrote:
> I
just heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.
> I
don't know much more -- anybody else?
This was
>
unexpected to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Yauch
is on the upright, the shit jsut aint funny, got fat bass lines like
russell
simmons steals money, got clientel, you know I rock well...
~Beastie
Boys/Ill Communications
On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, Matthew Felix wrote:
> maggie,
>
> i would like to offer adam yauch of the
beastie boys as representing many
>
beat qualities. he is constantly on the road, chasing the snow up in the
>
mountains all across the country. he has become deeply spiritual and
>
sometimes lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example). he
>
spearheaded the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie
>
boys even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.
>
> matt
>
>
>
>
> On
Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Maggie Gerrity wrote:
>
>
> All this talk about Bob Dylan and
Jim Morrison has gotten me
>
> thinking about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the
>
> Beats. I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as
>
> Lou Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be
>
> interested to hear the replies!
>
> Maggie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
>
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
>
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
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What if
Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would
Allen's
influence change the way Plath wrote? Maybe Gregory Corso would
be
running after her, trying to get a date or even worse. Maybe Cassady's
macho
style would have swooned her....
Its a
shame she didn't correspond with the Beats. A plath/burroughs
project
would have been something to read about...
jason
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Has
anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?=20
I did
purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a =
great
buy, because it really is multimedia and offers very varied =
elements,
such as experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy and =
others,
a quite extensive visit to a virtual gallery, other =
drawings/paintings
(not all that great),jazz music, literary influences =
such as
french symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman. Leroi Jones, Diane =
DiPrima,
and other less well-known authors are represented. However =
there
won't be any surprises in terms of audiomaterial if you already =
have
CDs.
The
ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is =
hypertexted
to Dharma Bums. Again there is a lot of real multimedia.
As
for the Poetry in Motion CD-ROMS which
are not restricted to Beat =
Authors,
but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder, DiPrima, Anne =
Waldman,
Whalen, Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several others, there is =
less
material, but on the whole you get an interview with each artist =
and a
reading and/or performance.
I would
recommend all of them as great value for money, and I tell you, =
they
were expensive in my part of the world!
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At
10:38 AM 12/1/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I
just heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.
>I
don't know much more -- anybody else?
This was
>unexpected
to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>|
Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
I am
surprised people here don't know Kathy Acker.
We always talk about who
is beat
or who are the current equivalents today of the younger writers.
She
would fit in in that discussion. Kathy
Acker definately was like a
female
Burroughs. She most likely was very
influenced by him.
I feel
somewhat sad to hear this. I read some
of her books years ago but
they
did not grab me too much, but I see how others might have thought very
highly
of them. I began to lose some interest
when in one of her books for
some
reason she began to repeat all of the paragraphs three times.
Here
are some web sites to look at to learn some more about her.
http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker.html
http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker3.html
http://acker.thehub.com.au/reviews.html
http://www.altx.com/io/acker.html
http://wwww.hotwired.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/10-09-04.acker.html
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From: You_Be Fine <AngelMindz@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Plath and the beats.
In a
message dated 97-12-01 19:41:03 EST, jason wrote:
<<
What if Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would
Allen's influence change the way Plath wrote?
Maybe Gregory Corso would
be running after her, trying to get a date or
even worse. Maybe Cassady's
macho style would have swooned her....
Its a shame she didn't correspond with the
Beats. A plath/burroughs
project would have been something to read
about...
jason >>
ah,
yes, perfect! and illustrated with photos by Diane Arbus!
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Subject: a last word on big sur...
Reading
poetry today, i came across this prayer maybe jack might've uttered
in that
cabin as god and the sea spoke to him:
Forgive,
O Lord, my little jokes on Thee
And
I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, 1962
amen.
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Plath
would never be part of the Kerouac group. That wasn't her jive...
On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, PoOka(the friendly ghost) wrote:
>
What if Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would
>
Allen's influence change the way Plath wrote? Maybe Gregory Corso would
> be
running after her, trying to get a date or even worse. Maybe Cassady's
>
macho style would have swooned her....
>
Its a shame she didn't correspond with the Beats. A plath/burroughs
>
project would have been something to read about...
>
jason
>
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Subject: Fwd: a last word on big sur...
This
was returned to me by the Beat-L machine which said "the text in your
message
was identical to etc"
boy
that would be something if someone else had posted this identical
message.
somehow, i think not.
trying
again:
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Date: 97-12-01 19:51:18 EST
From: AngelMindz
To: beat-l@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Reading
poetry today, i came across this prayer maybe jack might've uttered
in that
cabin as god and the sea spoke to him:
Forgive,
O Lord, my little jokes on Thee
And
I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, 1962
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>Bob
Dylan spawned by the writings of Jack kerouac? Influenced certainly,
>but
the pre-teen pictures of Dylan and his guitar with well known blues
>musicians
indicates he was on his way as a musician before he'd read any
>Keroauc.
right-o, dylan's primary influence were
the folk originals,
musical
rather than literary.
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Please excuse my ignorence but - who was Kathy Acker? I'm just not familier
>
with her.
Sorry,
I guess I sometimes forget to explain.
I may have all these
facts
wrong, but here goes: NY-city based neo-beat semi-punk
transgressive
(lots of drugs and sex) writer. Emerged
I think
during
the CBGB's era of early punk rock ('77 or so).
Wrote
lots of
good stuff, a real legend around the NY City Lower
East
Side poetry gangs. Also somewhat
successful -- got her
books
in bookstores anyway ...
Very
sad to see her go.
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| Levi
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|
|
|
| Literary Kicks:
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| (the beat literature web site) |
| |
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| also at
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AngelMindZ
mentioned my Beats In Music page at:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/Topics/BeatsInRock.html
>
There's a list there, and I seem to remember invitations to people to add to
>
it. So much has happened in music since I was last there, I'm sure the list
>
has grown considerably.
However
I've been delinquent about updating it for way too long. I've
got a
bunch of entries I'm planning to add as soon as I get a free
minute.
On the
matter of Adam Yauch and the Beastie Boys, I must add a
resounding
"YEAH!". In fact the Boys
singing about Jack Kerouac
on
"Paul's Boutique" (in my opinion one of the greatest albums
of all
time) was one of the things that got me to read him for
the
first time. However, it was Adam
Horovitz, not Adam Yauch,
who
sang that line (they're both named Adam).
Anyway, the
album
is worth getting -- it takes a few listens to get into
though,
in my experience.
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|
|
|
| Literary Kicks:
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| (the beat literature web site) |
| |
| "Coffeehouse: Writings from the
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| (a real book, like on paper) |
| also at
http://coffeehousebook.com |
|
|
|
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|
|
| "When I was crazy, I thought you
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Hi
there Mike, on 29-Nov-97 you wrote...
>I
was in basic training at Ft. Campbell, Kentucky the day Jack died. I
>never
read a wire story as good as either of those withered ones in your
>wallet. I was just a kid then, and I'm 52 now, where
did those 28 years
>go,
and why don't you empty your wallet more often.
thanks
mike - 50 here, those 28 tears have been interesting, and my
wallet(s)
have been empty many times, but 'Ti Jean has always been there
either
wrapped round my denim butt, or next to my heart in some sleek
jacket
as i glowered across the table to some dearheart in a lowcut gown as
an
effete waiter served up our destiny in three short courses.
--
bye for
now,
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there Dennis, on 28-Nov-97 you wrote...
>
The street sign for Kerouac Alley is usually missing due to theft
>although
a tourist shop at Pier 39 near Fisherman's Wharf sells knockoffs.
yeah?
you know how much they are and would they take orders from australia?
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Hi
there You_Be, on 29-Nov-97 you wrote...
>Thank
you so much for sharing these. They really took me back, too.
>Imagining
these clips living in your wallet, kept close by for 28 years
>as
some kind of sweet sentimental enshrinement, was also a tender
>statement
of the loss of jack. Very nice.
and a
bit of a passport too as i myself hit the road and hitchhiked around
and
stayed in YMCA's and met other readers of his from all parts of the
world -
his pic was later joined by ones of cezanne and rasputin, and once
when i
was forced by the law to ahem 'disclose the contents on my person' a
rather
hip old sergeant (sherrif to you) was urged to remark ' you're
either
a degenerate beatnik or a revolutionary anarchist ' and took me home
to eat
a wonderful meal of meat and potatoes cooked by his rather younger
wife,
who read out her poems to us on the verandah (porch) as the lights in
the
little town twinkled out one by one.
this
was in Tasmania in 65 or 66, and when i went back a few years later, i
was
told they'd split up and she (Tanya?) had run off with a writer, after
a
scandal involving the sergeant nd a tourist.
>I
hope you'll be encouraged to share more of your points of view from the
>other
side of the world.
i think
i just did :-)
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this is
sad....i just read my mother: demonology, a novel and i thought it
was one
of the most unique things i had ever read
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> i
would like to offer adam yauch of the beastie boys as representing
>many
>beat
qualities. he is constantly on the road, chasing the snow up in the
>mountains
all across the country. he has become deeply spiritual and
>sometimes
lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example).
>he
>spearheaded
the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie
>boys
even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.
i'll second that notion, adam lives quite
the beat life when he
hangs
out in thai bars...
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hello
beat-l. my mother got this on her mail and i just would like to pass
it
along. it gets real good near the end.
randy
randyr@southeast.net
>>>Soap,
soap, soap...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Attached
is some correspondence which actually occurred between a London
>>>>hotel's
staff and one of its guests. The London hotel involved submitted
>this
>>>>to
the Sunday Times.
>>>>
>>>>No
name was mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Maid,
>>>>
>>>>Please
do not leave any more of those little bars of soap in my bathroom
>>>>since
I have brought my own bath-sized Dial. Please remove the six
unopened
>>>>little
bars from the shelf under the medicine chest and another three in
>the
>>>>shower
soap dish. They are in my way.
>>>>
>>>>Thank
you,
>>>>S.
Berman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Room 635,
>>>>
>>>>I
am not your regular maid. She will be back tomorrow, Thursday, from
>her
day
>>>>off.
I took the 3 hotel soaps out of the shower soap dish as you
requested.
>>>>The
6 bars on your shelf I took out of your way and put on top of your
>>>>Kleenex
dispenser in case you should change your mind. This leaves only
>the
3
>>>>bars
I left today which my instructions from the management is to leave 3
>>>>soaps
daily. I hope this is satisfactory.
>>>>
>>>>Kathy,
Relief Maid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Maid -- I hope you are my regular maid.
>>>>
>>>>Apparently
Kathy did not tell you about my note to her concerning the
>little
>>>>bars
of soap. When I got back to my room this evening I found you had
>added
3
>>>>little
Camays to the shelf under my medicine cabinet. I am going to be
here
>>>>in
the hotel for two weeks and have brought my own bath-size Dial so I
>won't
>>>>need
those 6 little Camays which are on the shelf. They are in my way when
>>>>shaving,
brushing teeth, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Please
remove them.
>>>>S.
Berman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mr. Berman,
>>>>
>>>>My
day off was last Wed. so the relief maid left 3 hotel soaps which we
are
>>>>instructed
by the management. I took the 6 soaps which were in your way on
>>>>the
shelf and put them in the soap dish where your Dial was. I put the
Dial
>>>>in
the medicine cabinet for your convenience. I didn't remove the 3
>>>>complimentary
soaps which are always placed inside the medicine cabinet
for
>>>>all
new check-ins and which you did not object to when you checked in last
>>>>Monday.
Please let me know if I can of further assistance.
>>>>
>>>>Your
regular maid, Dotty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mr. Berman,
>>>>
>>>>The
assistant manager, Mr. Kensedder, informed me this A.M. that you
called
>>>>him
last evening and said you were unhappy with your maid service. I have
>>>>assigned
a new girl to your room. I hope you will accept my apologies
>for
any
>>>>past
inconvenience. If you have any future complaints please contact me
>so
I
>>>>can
give it my personal attention. Call extension 1108 between 8AM and
5PM.
>>>>Thank
you.
>>>>
>>>>Elaine
Carmen
>>>>Housekeeper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Miss Carmen,
>>>>It
is impossible to contact you by phone since I leave the hotel for
>business
>>>>at
745 AM and don't get back before 530 or 6PM. That's the reason I called
>>>>Mr.
Kensedder last night. You were already off duty. I only asked Mr.
>>>>Kensedder
if he could do anything about those little bars of soap. The new
>>>>maid
you assigned me must have thought I was a new check-in today, since
>she
>>>>left
another 3 bars of hotel soap in my medicine cabinet along with her
>>>>regular
delivery of 3 bars on the bath-room shelf. In just 5 days here I
>have
>>>>accumulated
24 little bars of soap. Why are you doing this to me?
>>>>
>>>>S.
Berman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mr. Berman,
>>>>
>>>>Your
maid, Kathy, has been instructed to stop delivering soap to your room
>>>>and
remove the extra soaps. If I can be of further assistance, please call
>>>>extension
1108 between 8AM and 5PM. Thank you,
>>>>
>>>>Elaine
Carmen,
>>>>Housekeeper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mr. Kensedder,
>>>>
>>>>My
bath-size Dial is missing. Every bar of soap was taken from my room
>>>>including
my own bath-size Dial. I came in late last night and had to call
>>>>the
bellhop to bring me 4 little Cashmere Bouquets.
>>>>
>>>>S.
Berman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mr. Berman,
>>>>
>>>>I
have informed our housekeeper, Elaine Carmen, of your soap problem. I
>>>>cannot
understand why there was no soap in your room since our maids are
>>>>instructed
to leave 3 bars of soap each time they service a room. The
>>>>situation
will be rectified immediately. Please accept my apologies for
the
>>>>inconvenience.
>>>>
>>>>Martin
L. Kensedder Assistant Manager
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mrs. Carmen,
>>>>
>>>>Who
the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in last night
>>>>and
found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little bars of Camay. I
>>>>want
my one damn bar of bath-size Dial. Do you realize I have 54 bars of
>soap
>>>>in
here. All I want is my bath size Dial. Please give me back my bath-size
>>>>Dial.
>>>>
>>>>S.
Berman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mr. Berman,
>>>>
>>>>You
complained of too much soap in your room so I had them removed. Then
>you
>>>>complained
to Mr. Kensedder that all your soap was missing so I personally
>>>>returned
them. The 24 Camays which had been taken and the 3 Camays you are
>>>>supposed
to receive daily (sic). I don't know anything about the 4
Cashmere
>>>>Bouquets.
>>>>
>>>>Obviously
your maid, Kathy, did not know I had returned your soaps so she
>>>>also
brought 24 Camays plus the 3 daily Camays. I don't know where you got
>>>>the
idea this hotel issues bath-size Dial. I was able to locate some
>>>>bath-size
Ivory which I left in your room.
>>>>
>>>>Elaine
>>>>Carmen
Housekeeper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear
Mrs. Carmen,
>>>>
>>>>Just
a short note to bring you up-to-date on my latest soap inventory.
>As
of
>>>>today
I possess:
>>>>
>>>>-
- - -- On shelf under medicine cabinet - 18 Camay in 4 stacks of 4 and 1
>>>>stack
of 2.
>>>>
>>>>-
- - -- On Kleenex dispenser - 11 Camay in 2 stacks of 4 and 1 stack
of 3.
>>>>
>>>>-
- - -- On bedroom dresser - 1 stack of 3 Cashmere Bouquet, 1 stack of 4
>>>>hotel-size
Ivory, and 8 Camay in 2 stacks of 4.
>>>>
>>>>-
- - -- Inside medicine cabinet - 14 Camay in 3 stacks of 4 and 1
stack
of
>>>>2.
>>>>
>>>>-
- - -- In shower soap dish - 6 Camay, very moist.
>>>>
>>>>-
- - -- On northeast corner of tub - 1 Cashmere Bouquet, slightly used.
>>>>
>>>>-
- - -- On northwest corner of tub - 6 Camays in 2 stacks of 3.
>>>>
>>>>Please
ask Kathy when she services my room to make sure the stacks are
>neatly
>>>>piled
and dusted. Also, please advise her that stacks of more than 4
have a
>>>>tendency
to tip. May I suggest that my bedroom window sill is not in use
>and
>>>>will
make an excellent spot for future soap deliveries. One more item, I
>have
>>>>purchased
another bar of bath-sized Dial which I am keeping in the hotel
>>>>vault
in order to avoid further misunderstandings.
>>>>
>>>>S.
Berman
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I've
been a fan of the beats for almost a year.
'Course I'm a HS student
headed
for an English/Philosophy major, so it was destiny. I like some of
the
surrealist/post-surrealist literature more.
Anyhow, some suggestions:
Desolation
Angels - the first part is quite good, the second part is not as
good
and more depressing.
Visions
of Cody - this book, to put it very bluntly, is dense. Worse than
Ulysses
in terms of complexity. But fairly good.
The
Cut-ups trilogy - must read, esp. if you liked Naked Lunch. Start with
The
Soft Machine and work forward.
And
non-beat but...
A
Scanner Darkly - the *best* book I've read about drug addiction. Better
than
Naked Lunch. Exponentially easier to
read, and more disturbing in its
revelations
on the user-pusher-narc cycle of hopelessness.
By the
psychedelic
science fiction writer Philip K. Dick.
Hope
these help
Joey
Mellott : poet, writer, and closet intellectual
(peyotecoyote@iah.com)
"I
want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom,
I want goodness. I want sin." - Aldous Huxley
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Hello.
I'm new on this list. Just wanted to say hi. My
name's
David. I'm a freshman in college. Read on the road
the
beginning of senior year in high school. Fell in love
with
Jack Kerouac. Went on to read Big Sur, Dharma Bums,
Desolation
Angels, poems, Tristessa, ect. Started going to
the
library and began learning about Kerouac and what he
did
during his life. He got me into a little Zen poems.
Then
found out about Ginsberg and started reading his
poems,
which lead to Burroughs. I'm crazed about all these
fellows.
So we will talk about the "beats" which is already
ridiculous
because it is an easy and "cool" word to
remember. You can sit at a stupid coffee house and
say,
"yea,
the beats were cool and I really liked their
message." Fuck that. I am already talking shit because
the
"beats"
(at least when they were for real. I'm not talking
about
Burroughs wierd new shit on CD or Cassidy riding
around
in a colorful bus). But fuck it.
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forget
the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books. Do
you think the
"beats"
sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading
trash
on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and
MADE
history, Not read about it on the web.
They were
about
drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about
technology
and plutonium factories. Reading any
"beat"
poetry
on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"
poetry.
On Mon,
1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch
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wrote:
>
Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?
> I
did purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a great buy,
because it really is multimedia and
offers very varied elements, such as
experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy
and others, a quite extensive
visit to a virtual gallery, other
drawings/paintings (not all that great),jazz
music, literary influences such as french
symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman.
Leroi Jones, Diane DiPrima, and other less
well-known authors are represented.
However there won't be any surprises in terms
of audiomaterial if you already
have CDs.
>
The ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is
hypertexted to Dharma Bums. Again there is a
lot of real multimedia.
> As
for the Poetry in Motion CD-ROMS which
are not restricted to Beat Authors,
but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder,
DiPrima, Anne Waldman, Whalen,
Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several
others, there is less material, but on
the whole you get an interview with each
artist and a reading and/or
performance.
> I
would recommend all of them as great value for money, and I tell you, they
were expensive in my part of the world!
--
Bonck,
David D
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When I
saw" S. Berman" the first person who camne to mind was Sandy Berman,
librarian
and author who is at the Hennipin County Library in Minneapolis,
MN. It
has to be Sandy. An absolute one-of-a-kind. I'll know for a fact
tomorrow
and share the information with you.
j grant
>hello
beat-l. my mother got this on her mail and i just would like to pass
>it
along. it gets real good near the end.
>randy
>randyr@southeast.net
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> Date:
> Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:18:06 -0800
> From:
> Maggie Gerrity
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>
>
> All this talk about Bob Dylan and Jim
Morrison has gotten me
>
thinking about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the
>
Beats. I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as
>
Lou Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be
>
interested to hear the replies!
> Maggie
>
If you
haven't heard Pete Droge yet, you really should. He does have a
song
that mentions Kerouac. Also when you
really get down to it, Tom
Petty
also has a nice flair of telling a story within a song...
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This
quiet night I thought I'd share one of Charles Bukowski's very
best.
Enjoy!
Adrien
the
shoelace
------------
a
woman, a
tire
that's flat, a
disease,
a
desire;
fears in front of you,
fears
that hold so still
you can
study them
like
pieces on a
chessboard...
it's
not the large things that
send a
man to the
madhouse.
death he's ready for, or
murder,
incest, robbery, fire, flood...
no,
it's the continuing series of _small_ tragedies
that
send a man to the
madhouse...
not the
death of his love
but a
shoelace that snaps
with no
time left...
the
dread of life
is that
swarm of trivialities
that
can kill quicker than cancer
and
which are always there---
license
plates or taxes
or
expired driver's license,
or
hiring or firing,
doing
it or having it done to you, or
constipation
speeding
tickets
rickets
or crickets or mice or termites or
roaches
or flies or a
broken
hook on a
screen,
or out of gas
or too
much gas,
the
sink's stopped-up, the landlord's drunk,
the
president doesn't care and the governor's
crazy.
lightswitch
broken, mattress like a
porcupine;
$105
for a tune-up, carburetor and fuel pump at
Sears
Roebuck;
and the
phone bill's up and the market's
down
and the
toilet chain is
broken,
and the
light has burned out---
the
hall light, the front light, the back light,
the
inner light; it's
darker
than hell
and
twice as
expensive.
then
there's always crabs and ingrown toenails
and
people who insist they're
your
friends;
there's
always that and worse;
leaky
faucet, Christ and Christmas;
blue
salami, 9 day rains,
50 cent
avacados
and
purple
liverwurst.
or
making it
as a
waitress at Norm's on the split shift,
or as
an emptier of
bedpans,
or as a
carwash or a busboy
or a
stealer of old lady's purses
leaving
them screaming on the sidewalks
with broken
arms at the age of
80.
suddenly
2 red
lights in your rear viw mirror
and
blood in your
underwear;
toothache,
and $979 for a bridge
$300
for a gold
tooth,
and
China and Russia and America, and
long
hair and short hair and no
hair,
and beards and no
faces,
and plenty of _zigzag_ but no
pot,
except maybe one to piss in and
the
other one around your
gut.
with
each broken shoelace
out of
one hundred broken shoelaces,
one
man, one woman, one
thing
enters
a
madhouse.
so be
careful
when
you
bend
over.
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yes, i
have the beat cdrom, the one in conjunction with whitney
exhibition.
it is very good, although there is much scope for further
ones as
what is included is rather limited in scope and content.
advisable
to buy though.....
daniel
any
reports on the patti smith record? i see a photograph on the
sleeve
from uncle bill's grave....
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i can
imagine more clearly anne sexton. she was one of the first
poet/performance
artists, collaborating with a group of musicians. the whole
shebang
was called anne sexton and her kind. and i hear they were mighty
fine.
i've been searching for tapes for a long time.
mc
You_Be
Fine wrote:
> In
a message dated 97-12-01 19:41:03 EST, jason wrote:
>
>
<< What if Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would
> Allen's influence change the way Plath
wrote? Maybe Gregory Corso would
> be running after her, trying to get a date
or even worse. Maybe Cassady's
> macho style would have swooned her....
> Its a shame she didn't correspond with the
Beats. A plath/burroughs
> project would have been something to read
about...
>
jason >>
>
>
ah, yes, perfect! and illustrated with photos by Diane Arbus!
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additionally, robert siegle has written a book about her
writing and her
peers,
in suburban ambush, downtown writing and the fiction of insurgency, pub
by john
hopkins. it's not an anthology, it is a damned fine piece of critical
writing
that also explores the roots of acker and fellow writers.
mc
Timothy
K. Gallaher wrote:
> At
10:38 AM 12/1/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I just heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.
>
>I don't know much more -- anybody else?
This was
>
>unexpected to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.
>
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>| Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com
>
> I
am surprised people here don't know Kathy Acker. We always talk about who
> is
beat or who are the current equivalents today of the younger writers.
>
She would fit in in that discussion.
Kathy Acker definately was like a
>
female Burroughs. She most likely was
very influenced by him.
>
> I
feel somewhat sad to hear this. I read
some of her books years ago but
>
they did not grab me too much, but I see how others might have thought very
>
highly of them. I began to lose some
interest when in one of her books for
>
some reason she began to repeat all of the paragraphs three times.
>
>
Here are some web sites to look at to learn some more about her.
>
>
http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker.html
>
>
http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker3.html
>
>
http://acker.thehub.com.au/reviews.html
>
>
http://www.altx.com/io/acker.html
>
>
http://wwww.hotwired.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/10-09-04.acker.html
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Well,
we know that David can swear real well...canhe do anything else?
:)
Welcome to the list...
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:
>
Hello. I'm new on this list. Just wanted to say hi. My
>
name's David. I'm a freshman in college. Read on the road
>
the beginning of senior year in high school. Fell in love
>
with Jack Kerouac. Went on to read Big Sur, Dharma Bums,
>
Desolation Angels, poems, Tristessa, ect. Started going to
>
the library and began learning about Kerouac and what he
>
did during his life. He got me into a little Zen poems.
>
Then found out about Ginsberg and started reading his
>
poems, which lead to Burroughs. I'm crazed about all these
>
fellows. So we will talk about the "beats" which is already
>
ridiculous because it is an easy and "cool" word to
>
remember. You can sit at a stupid
coffee house and say,
>
"yea, the beats were cool and I really liked their
>
message." Fuck that. I am already
talking shit because the
>
"beats" (at least when they were for real. I'm not talking
> about
Burroughs wierd new shit on CD or Cassidy riding
>
around in a colorful bus). But fuck it.
>
> --
>
Bonck, David D
>
bonckdd@jmu.edu
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
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On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
> I
am surprised people here don't know Kathy Acker. We always talk about who
> is
beat or who are the current equivalents today of the younger writers.
>
She would fit in in that discussion.
Kathy Acker definately was like a
>
female Burroughs. She most likely was very
influenced by him.
Burroughs
wrote a jacket blurb for one of her books. I remember asking
James
G. about it when I saw it.
Speaking
of Burroughs and jacket blurbs, I was browsing through the
shelves
at Coach House Press the other day, and came across David
Gilmour's
(of CBC fame, Canadian folks) first book. It had a jacket blurb
from
Burroughs that I thought didn't sound much like him. I asked Stan
Bevington
how Gilmour came about it, and he said: "We encouraged authors
to
solicit their own jacket blurbs, and Gilmour just sent the quotation
down to
Burroughs and asked him if he could tack his name on it, and
Burroughs
said sure." Now there was a man who truly divorced himself from
the
proprietary myth that orbits language.
Neil
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Uhm,
"dude", we're here to discuss the literature and the writers and
other
prevelant information. If the purpose
of the list were to support
and
futher the beat lifestyle, it wouldn't exist and you wouldn't even be
here.
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:
>
forget the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books.
Do you think the
>
"beats" sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading
>
trash on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and
>
MADE history, Not read about it on the web.
They were
>
about drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about
>
technology and plutonium factories.
Reading any "beat"
>
poetry on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"
>
poetry.
> On
Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch
>
<jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK> wrote:
>
>
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
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The
next year, it ws the head monk' turn to speak.
He said: "Don't you
think
there's too much unnecessary chatter going on around here?"
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This is
the last communication I receivd from Kathy Acker. She was
responding
to our invitation to join THE ALLEN GINSBERG MEMORIAL
COMMITTEE,
which plans a two-day tribute to Allen in June, the first
event
in Central Park, the second event in Newark's brand, new
Performing
Arts Center. Obviously she was
volunteering to be on the
program,
which will include many poets and performers from around the
world. We are all sorry to lose Kathy Acker. Does anyone know her age
and
what she died of?
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Dear Al
A,
I would be honored to be on the
committee. Please tell me if I can
help in
any other way.
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Few of
our favorite wordmen can lay claim to both nowadayz. All this talk
about
L. Ferlinghetti has got me thinking about another living master, Mr.
Corso,
Gregory the Herald. I think that all
those who really love Kerouac
can
appreciate Corso in a great way, because Jack was so damn fond of him.
Thru
Jack (in _Desolation Angels_, for example) you really get a sense of
what a
genius and a hipster Corso really was (and is). I believe that the
greatest
thing about the Beat prose (mostly Kerouac) is the fantastic sense
of
closeness between all those cats, who were of course close friends.
Kerouac got his greatest kicks not off port
wine or Zen or lone rucksack
wandering
(though he loved these), but off his friends, without whom he would
have
been lost, if not lost then not as powerful a writer as he turned out to
be. And I think Jack's fondness for G. Corso
shines thru the most...he
really
believed Corso to be (I think) the greatest genius among his
friends...perhaps
he appreciated Corso's literary and spiritual gift even
more so
than he dug A.G.'s...
Corso
is the great destroyer of the banal, the Herald who truly fought to
break
on thru (Morrison for ya) to a Blakean flip-side...
"2
Weird Happenings in Haarlem" by
Gregory Corso
Four
windmills, acquaintanceships,
were
spied one morning eating tulips.
Noon
and the
entire city flips
screaming: Apocalypse!
Apocalypse!
O
people! my people!
something
weirdly architectural
like a
rackety cannibal
came to
Haarlem last night
and ate
up a canal!
They
all loved "Raphael Urso," mad Manhattan lyricist anyone can dig...
Peace,
Anthony
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I
stopped by the bookstore last wednesday and I saw a book in the new paper
back
section called Beat Spirit by Mel Ash.
It was
some sort of work book. It had sections
on kerouac Burroughs and
others
and then had excercises the reader should do to attune their beat
spirit,
I guess. One thing I remember was you
were supposed to fill in a
pie
chart with your racial background or something like that.
Anyone
seen this book? Know anything about
it? Have an opinion etc...
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matt
wrote
>
sometimes lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example). he
>
spearheaded the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie
>
boys even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.
>
that's
right, i was just about to mention that!
unfortunately,
i don't know much about adam yauch's personal life,
but the
beastie boys are definitly beat. even if you don't like
hip-hop
you have to admit that they kinda transformed the idea of the
beats
into their culture and generation.
the
song by the way is "high plains drifter" on the "paul's
boutique"
album.
nice to
be back again!
yours
//
(o o)
--------oOO-(_)-OOo------sincerely
moritz rossbach
saarbruecken, germany
moro0000@stud.uni-sb.de
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I
havent seen it but it sounds stupid to me, like a good gag gift
maybe...
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
> I
stopped by the bookstore last wednesday and I saw a book in the new paper
>
back section called Beat Spirit by Mel Ash.
>
> It
was some sort of work book. It had
sections on kerouac Burroughs and
>
others and then had excercises the reader should do to attune their beat
>
spirit, I guess. One thing I remember
was you were supposed to fill in a
>
pie chart with your racial background or something like that.
>
>
Anyone seen this book? Know anything
about it? Have an opinion etc...
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:
>
forget the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books.
Do you think the
>
"beats" sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading
>
trash on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and
>
MADE history, Not read about it on the web.
They were
>
about drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about
>
technology and plutonium factories.
Reading any "beat"
>
poetry on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"
>
poetry.
> On
Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch
>
<jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK> wrote:
By
which token the entire purpose of the books themselves is also fucked,
since
if Beat is about the EXPERIENCE, and living, actually doing, then
what
the hell are any of us bothering to actually BUY/Borrow/STEAL and
the
READ the books? Why don't we just get
on the road? 'Cos we like the
words,
the books, the art, the beauty, and if that can't be expressed in
ANY
media form, then the future gets darker.
Tom.
sorry I
couldn't cut text below, mouse not working.
"I,
at least, had the good sense to go insane during adolensence." WSB Jr.
>
> Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?
>
> I did purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a great
buy,
> because it really is multimedia and
offers very varied elements, such as
> experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy
and others, a quite extensive
> visit to a virtual gallery, other
drawings/paintings (not all that
great),jazz
> music, literary influences such as french
symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman.
> Leroi Jones, Diane DiPrima, and other less
well-known authors are
represented.
> However there won't be any surprises in
terms of audiomaterial if you already
> have CDs.
>
> The ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is
> hypertexted to Dharma Bums. Again there is a
lot of real multimedia.
>
> As for the Poetry in Motion
CD-ROMS which are not restricted to Beat
Authors,
> but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder,
DiPrima, Anne Waldman, Whalen,
> Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several
others, there is less material, but on
> the whole you get an interview with each
artist and a reading and/or
> performance.
>
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12.
by Wanda Coleman
after Robert Duncan
my
earliest dreams linger/wronged spirits
who
will not rest/dusky crows astride
the
sweetbriar seek to fly the
orchard's
sky. is this the world i loved?
groves
of perfect oranges and streets of stars
where
the sad eyes of my youth
wander
the atomic-age paradise
tasting
the
blood of a stark and wounded puberty?
o what
years ago? what rapture lost in white
heat of
skin/walls that patina my heart's
despair?
what fear disturbs my quiet
night's
grazing? stampedes my soul?
o
memory. i sweat the eternal weight of graves
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Man!
that is one great sonnet! who is Wanda Coleman?!
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I like
this poem, especially the line "the sad eyes of my youth", matches
my mood
perfectly...
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
>
12.
by Wanda Coleman
>
> after Robert Duncan
>
> my
earliest dreams linger/wronged spirits
>
who will not rest/dusky crows astride
>
the sweetbriar seek to fly the
>
orchard's sky. is this the world i loved?
>
groves of perfect oranges and streets of stars
>
where the sad eyes of my youth
>
wander the atomic-age paradise
>
>
tasting
>
>
the blood of a stark and wounded puberty?
> o
what years ago? what rapture lost in white
>
heat of skin/walls that patina my heart's
>
despair? what fear disturbs my quiet
>
night's grazing? stampedes my soul?
>
> o
memory. i sweat the eternal weight of graves
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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though
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>>>>Dear Mrs. Carmen,
>
>>>>
>
>>>>Who the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in
last night
>
>>>>and found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little bars
of Camay. I
>
>>>>want my one damn bar of bath-size Dial. Do you realize I have
54 bars of
>
>soap
>
>>>>in here. All I want is my bath size Dial. Please give me back
my bath-size
>
>>>>Dial.
>
>>>>
>
>>>>S. Berman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Now you
know why life is greater than fiction...
daniel
caridade (I'm laughing my bowels out...)
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It's
impossible to guess how Jack et al may have made use of this new
technology.
Don't be to sure of your position. With the sheer volume of
letters
available I believe they would have made good use of email. I also
believe
they loved experimenting with different media to express
themselves.
Look at Jack's adventures onto records, William's in film and
cds,
and Allen's recordings and use of video. They experimented with
film,
music, tape players, and more recently video and cds. I find it hard
to
believe they would have disregarded something as powerful as
contemporary
computers. Yes they lived life instead of sat in front of a
terminal
and yes they drank wine and cried. They also loved to drink and
discuss
and argue and critique. They were thirsty for information and
would
have used the internet to quench their thirst. You forget the hours
and
days that Jack spent in front of his typewriter driven by benzadrine.
Storing
"On The Road" on a floppy makes as much sense as a teletype roll.
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:
>
forget the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books.
Do you think the
>
"beats" sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading
>
trash on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and
>
MADE history, Not read about it on the web.
They were
>
about drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about
>
technology and plutonium factories.
Reading any "beat"
>
poetry on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"
>
poetry.
> On
Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch
>
<jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK> wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?
>
> I did purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a great
buy,
> because it really is multimedia and
offers very varied elements, such as
> experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy
and others, a quite extensive
> visit to a virtual gallery, other
drawings/paintings (not all that
great),jazz
> music, literary influences such as french
symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman.
> Leroi Jones, Diane DiPrima, and other less
well-known authors are
represented.
> However there won't be any surprises in
terms of audiomaterial if you already
> have CDs.
>
> The ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is
> hypertexted to Dharma Bums. Again there is a
lot of real multimedia.
>
> As for the Poetry in Motion
CD-ROMS which are not restricted to Beat
Authors,
> but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder,
DiPrima, Anne Waldman, Whalen,
> Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several
others, there is less material, but on
> the whole you get an interview with each
artist and a reading and/or
> performance.
>
> I would recommend all of them as great value for money, and I tell you,
they
> were expensive in my part of the world!
>
> --
>
Bonck, David D
>
bonckdd@jmu.edu
>
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hey all,
Here at the end of a year of so many gone.
Allen gone, my father Don
Young gone, Jeff Buckley gone, Burroughs
gone, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
gone, Acker gone ......etc. I feel like I
need to get my feet on the
ground. so much spinning in loss.
What's the next phase? When will there be
a return of wonder (to quote
Ferlinghetti)? Is it already here? Am I
asleep in my walking already
too far gone?
I am heading to New York for five days
around New Years. I've got my
Bill Morgan book in hand and I am hoping
to check out some of the
haunts. I also hope to check out the St.
Marks Poetry marthon reading
on New Years Day. I might also visit
Anthology Film Archives, hoping
to find more info on Harry Smith.
I was wondering if any of you NY area
BEAT-L'ers might like to meet at
McSorley's for a drink. Let's drink to
the return of wonder.
Peace be upon you all,
Sean D. Young
syoung@dsw.com
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On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, Neil M. Hennessy wrote:
>
can't recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of
>
Letters to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.
My
library has a copy of _Letters to Allen Ginsberg_. I haven't gone thru
it all,
but it appears that there's little or nothing in it that isn't
also in
the later Harris-edited volume (except for brief intros by WSB &
AG).
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Taylor
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On Mon,
1 Dec 1997, Neil Hennessy wrote:
>
biography. Of course, it might be something about the Miles edited "Evil
>
River: An Autobiography", to be assembled from Burroughs' journal notes in
>
the 80's.
Hey!
I've been trying to find out something about this _Evil River_ book
for a
long time. More than a year ago, a listing for it appeared in Books
in
Print (with "publication date not set"). I posted repeated inquiries
to
the
list about it, but no one ever responded. Where did you find out about
it?
*******
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Taylor
taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
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At
03:18 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>It's
impossible to guess how Jack et al may have made use of this new
>technology.
Don't be to sure of your position. With the sheer volume of
>letters
available I believe they would have made good use of email. I also
>believe
they loved experimenting with different media to express
>themselves.
Look at Jack's adventures onto records, William's in film and
>cds,
and Allen's recordings and use of video. They experimented with
>film,
music, tape players, and more recently video and cds. I find it hard
>to
believe they would have disregarded something as powerful as
>contemporary
computers. Yes they lived life instead of sat in front of a
>terminal
and yes they drank wine and cried. They also loved to drink and
>discuss
and argue and critique. They were thirsty for information and
>would
have used the internet to quench their thirst. You forget the hours
>and
days that Jack spent in front of his typewriter driven by benzadrine.
>Storing
"On The Road" on a floppy makes as much sense as a teletype roll.
I agree
here for sure. He would have loved the
word processor where he
could
sit and type for as long as he wanted without having to worry about
stopping
to hit the return bar (not a big deal for him as it is part of the
typing
process) but more so he wouldn't have to have stopped to put in
another
piece of paper. That was the reason he
taped the paper together and
later
used the long teletype rolls.
He
never would have had to deal with the concentration breaking paper
aspects
of typing.
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Burroughs archives
I
posted this once before on behalf of James Grauerholz, but it's worth
posting
again. This was in response to a question raised by listmember Jason
De
Matte, who was wondering about the disposition of the Burroughs Estate,
including
his guns:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
James
Grauerholz, who has been with Burroughs for over 23 years, is his heir.
The estate is set up (like Allen Ginsberg's)
as a Trust. James intends to
administer
this Trust as a sacred legacy, continuing the artistic and social
purposes
of Burroughs' entire life and work.
None of
WSB's personal possessions (such as his guns) will be sold; his house
is
being kept just as it was during his lifetime, by a caretaker who is a
close
friend, and his two surviving cats (Ginger and Muty) are lovingly cared
for, in
the home. The majority of the archives
are already on deposit at
Ohio
State University, and WSB's letters and mss. will _not_ be sold on the
collector's
market, at all.
Forthcoming
artistic works include (not in order of projected release):
(working
title) Last Words: The Final Journals
of WSB -- based on writings
from
the last two years of William's life; publisher probably Grove/Atlantic,
but not
yet set
Word
Virus: The Selected Writings of WSB
(Grove/Atlantic) -- a "portable"
Burroughs
reader, edited by James G. and Ira Silverberg
The
Third Mind (Grove/Atlantic) -- a facsimile edition of the original 1965
Burroughs-Gysin
collage manuscript (as seen in the LA County Museum catalog
for the
"Ports of Entry" show)
(working
title) Prakriti Junction: A Portrait of William Burroughs, Jr.
(Grove/Atlantic)
-- a collection of Billy's unpublished writings from the
last
seven years of his life ('74-'81), with letters by him and to him,
interviews
and other documents; edited by David Ohle
The
Letters of William S. Burroughs, Volume II, 1959-1974 (Viking Penguin) --
a
continuation of Volume I (1945-1959), edited by Oliver Harris
(working
title) Evil River: An Autobiography (Viking Penguin) -- composed of
memoir
writings by WSB made during the 1980s, edited by Barry Miles
William
S. Burroughs on Giorno Poetry Systems (Mouth Almighty / Mercury
Records)
-- a four-CD boxed set of all of WSB's recordings issued on the GPS
label,
plus some never-released material, accompanied by five
fully-illustrated
booklets of text etc.
Naked
Lunch, The Audiobook (performed by WSB) -- originally released by Time
Warner
Audio Books in 1995, with music by Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz and
Eyvind
Kang, produced by Hal Willner and James Grauerholz; to be re-edited by
HW
& JG for re-release in an improved version
Queer,
The Audiobook -- to be performed by Steve Buscemi this year
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I don't
have the details (who does? can you post them?) but there's an art
exhibit
featuring paintings by Burroughs and George Condo in New York right
now,
for those of you in that neck of the woods.
diane
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Subject: Re: Kathy Acker
to the
person who originally posted about kathy acker:
where
did you hear that she died?
when
did it happen?
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Just an
FYI to all those interested... I got this post in this morning's
email,
after reading here that she had died....
<snip>
>Yes,
Kathy died at 1:30 a.m., 30 November, in Tijuana,
>from
cancer. She'd been fighting it years,
thought she had it licked
>last
spring, then in October discovered it had taken over her body. She
>was
50. We were good friends, so it's a
hard loss. She taught us all
>so
much.
<snip>
Just a
note: Kathy's memoriam picture at the hub, was shot by Allen
Ginsberg
in 1985, and she wrote "In Memoriam 2 Oblivion" last spring....
she
admired Burroughs, and he taught her the "cut up" that she later
rejected....
needless to say she was a familar of the beats....
she was
a great author, who will be remembered for years to come....
******************************
kris
kurrus
all
extremes were popular with that crowd
the
singers shouted the musicians stomped and howled
the
dancers ground each other past passion or moved so fast
it
blurred intelligence
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Being
relatively new to NYC, I was wondering what bars the beat writers
used to
hang out in (or what bars that are still operating) I know of
McSorley's
of course..but what other current bars are out there that have
a beat
history?
rjw
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At
14:51 02/12/97 -0600, you wrote:
>On
Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Neil M. Hennessy wrote:
>
>>
can't recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of
>>
Letters to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.
>
>My
library has a copy of _Letters to Allen Ginsberg_. I haven't gone thru
>it
all, but it appears that there's little or nothing in it that isn't
>also
in the later Harris-edited volume (except for brief intros by WSB &
>AG).
>
>*******
>Jeff
Taylor
>taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
>*******
>
I have
a copy of Letters To Allen Ginsberg. Now, I live in a small town in
Australia
(Tamworth) where getting books is next to impossible. About eight
years
ago, I went into the bookstore here, and ordered Letters to AG, never
expecting
to hear another thing, as is usually the case. To my
astonishment,
about two months later the book arrived! I couldn't believe.
To this
day, I still can't believe it. Yet, here it is, right in front of
me.
Published by Full Court Press in 1981. To this day, it remains the only
WSB
I've ever managed to get in Tamworth ... One for Ripley's.
Glenn
C.
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don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want
to achieve it through not dying."
-- Woody
Allen.
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There's
the White Horse Tavern on Hudson Street, The West End Bar near Columbia
(around
114th)...The Kettle of Fish and the Cedar bar are in new locations. Bi
ll
Morgan's book contains additional information.
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From: Anthony Celentano
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Subject: Re: Beat Spirit
I
wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!
It is real real stupid and it is an insult to
the beat writers, what a
stupid
book! I thumbed through the piece of
shite at Shakespeare and Co
here in
Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or somethin
like
that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap your fingers, snap them all
the time,
and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying
"dig!"".....I
wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a radiator!
Anthony
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From: Nancy B Brodsky
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I
recently picked up a book called "Kerouac's crooked road", (author?)
and
its
about Kerouac's writing process. I was suprised to find out that
Kerouac
did several meticulous revisions of On The Road. Its a very
interesting
book...
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
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I'd
love to go to McSorely's but unfortunately, not everyone on the list
is
wholly legal....
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Sean Young wrote:
> hey all,
>
>
> Here at the end of a year of so many
gone. Allen gone, my father Don
> Young gone, Jeff Buckley gone, Burroughs
gone, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
> gone, Acker gone ......etc. I feel like
I need to get my feet on the
> ground. so much spinning in loss.
>
> What's the next phase? When will there
be a return of wonder (to quote
> Ferlinghetti)? Is it already here? Am I
asleep in my walking already
> too far gone?
>
> I am heading to New York for five days
around New Years. I've got my
> Bill Morgan book in hand and I am hoping
to check out some of the
> haunts. I also hope to check out the St.
Marks Poetry marthon reading
> on New Years Day. I might also visit
Anthology Film Archives, hoping
> to find more info on Harry Smith.
>
> I was wondering if any of you NY area
BEAT-L'ers might like to meet at
> McSorley's for a drink. Let's drink to
the return of wonder.
>
> Peace be upon you all,
>
> Sean D. Young
>
> syoung@dsw.com
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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Dylan
Thomas died at the White Horse Tavern. May I recommend the
mozzarella
sticks, grilled cheese and Sam Adams?
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Bill Gargan wrote:
>
There's the White Horse Tavern on Hudson Street, The West End Bar near
Columbia
>
(around 114th)...The Kettle of Fish and the Cedar bar are in new locations.
Bi
> ll
Morgan's book contains additional information.
>
The
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Sure-JK
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Was
this meant to be a serious publication or was it a satire/parody
thing?
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Anthony Celentano wrote:
> I
wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!
> It is real real stupid and it is an insult to
the beat writers, what a
>
stupid book! I thumbed through the
piece of shite at Shakespeare and Co
>
here in Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or
somethin
>
like that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap your fingers, snap them all
>
the time, and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying
>
"dig!"".....I wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a
radiator!
>
>
Anthony
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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Though
this has probably been talked about before....
I just
got the ROMnibus as the developers offer a much better price than
Penguin. It is in-fucking-credible, as the kids
say. There is just so
much
information there. The sound and
picture archive is phenomenal. I
only go
a chance to play with it for about an hour and was completely
enthralled. Am planning to kill all 5 hours of work in the lab Thursday
night
with it. I don't care what your opinion
is of the Beats and
technology,
you will be fascinated. I love the fact
that it plays the
Steve
Allen clip each time you boot it up. If
only to use the CD, it
makes
the upgrade I'm shelling out for worth it.
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
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wah! I
dont have CD-ROM...:(
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Alex Howard wrote:
>
Though this has probably been talked about before....
>
> I
just got the ROMnibus as the developers offer a much better price than
>
Penguin. It is in-fucking-credible, as
the kids say. There is just so
>
much information there. The sound and
picture archive is phenomenal. I
>
only go a chance to play with it for about an hour and was completely
>
enthralled. Am planning to kill
all 5 hours of work in the lab Thursday
>
night with it. I don't care what your
opinion is of the Beats and
>
technology, you will be fascinated. I
love the fact that it plays the
>
Steve Allen clip each time you boot it up.
If only to use the CD, it
>
makes the upgrade I'm shelling out for worth it.
>
>
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>
Alex Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
>
kh14586@am.appstate.edu
P.O. Box 12149
>
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586
Boone, NC 28608
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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The
author is Tim Hunt. Good book if you
like this sort of thing, ie
literary
analysis.
The
other one I am aware of is the Spontaneous Poetics of Jack kerouac by
Regina
Weirich (whose last name I believe I misspelled).
>I
recently picked up a book called "Kerouac's crooked road", (author?)
and
>its
about Kerouac's writing process. I was suprised to find out that
>Kerouac
did several meticulous revisions of On The Road. Its a very
>interesting
book...
>
>
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>Was
this meant to be a serious publication or was it a satire/parody
>thing?
>
I
didn't see the finger snapping dig part but I gathered it was meant to be
serious.
>
>On
Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Anthony Celentano wrote:
>
>>
I wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!
>> It is real real stupid and it is an insult
to the beat writers, what a
>>
stupid book! I thumbed through the
piece of shite at Shakespeare and Co
>>
here in Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or
somethin
>>
like that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap your fingers, snap them all
>>
the time, and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying
>>
"dig!"".....I wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a
radiator!
>>
>>
Anthony
>>
>
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At
08:52 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I
wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!
> It
is real real stupid and it is an insult to the beat writers, what a
>stupid
book! I thumbed through the piece of
shite at Shakespeare and Co
>here
in Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or
somethin
>like
that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap your fingers, snap them all
>the
time, and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying
>"dig!"".....I
wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a radiator!
>
>Anthony
>
>
Whaddya
mean, that's how all the rest of us became beatniks!
Mike
Rice
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I'm
using it as a secondary source for a paper Im writing for my writing
workshop
class (yuck) on Kerouac's central preoccupation in his essays. Im
using
some stuff from "Good Blonde and Others" as essays because I wanted
to use
an author I really liked,so I took the liberty of creating a loose
definition
of essay, which Kerouac's just happened to fall under...ahem.
~Nancy
On Tue,
2 Dec 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
>
The author is Tim Hunt. Good book if
you like this sort of thing, ie
>
literary analysis.
>
>
The other one I am aware of is the Spontaneous Poetics of Jack kerouac by
>
Regina Weirich (whose last name I believe I misspelled).
>
>
>
>
>I recently picked up a book called "Kerouac's crooked road",
(author?) and
>
>its about Kerouac's writing process. I was suprised to find out that
>
>Kerouac did several meticulous revisions of On The Road. Its a very
>
>interesting book...
>
>
>
>
>
>The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
>
>Sure-JK
>
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Anyone
going tonight? I'll see you there!
~Nancy
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Has
anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as
a she
and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)
and the
sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a
reason
for Jack's reversal of genders?
~Nancy
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>Has
anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as
>a
she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)
>and
the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a
>reason
for Jack's reversal of genders?
>~Nancy
>
>The
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>Sure-JK
The man
on the moon is a man on the moon not the moon.
Ancient Egyptian
god is
the sun god -- "Ra." Louis XIV was Louis the "Sun
King." The Sun is
imagined
active, the moon passive. Old as
patriarchy. The man on the moon
is
where you'd expect him to be.
Preston
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>Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as
>
>a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)
>
>and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc).
While I
bemoan the fact, legends have it that a star including ol sol is
usually
male, the dear moon, a strong feminine force. My astrologist
says
that women are often more like their moon than their sun sign. One
of my
first stories was sharply critiqued in class for i had a wandering
star
transformed into a woman here on earth.
The guys basically said ,
stars
are guys. Of course i am thankfull for
the more gender flexible
age we
live in. for the stars i believe spin
either way.
patricia
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Generally
the moon is tied to the feminine nature for many reasons. The sun is
tied to
masculine nature. There is a good
section in The White Goddess wherein
Graves
discusses the difference between the muse poet who is connected with the
moon
goddess and the Appollonian poet who is connected with the sun or father
god. I believe that Jack would be very accurate
in his description of the moon
as
feminine and the sun as masculine.
After all, Appollo drives the chariot,
at
least sometimes.
Preston
Whaley wrote:
>
>Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as
>
>a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)
>
>and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a
>
>reason for Jack's reversal of genders?
>
>~Nancy
>
>
>
>The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
>
>Sure-JK
>
>
The man on the moon is a man on the moon not the moon. Ancient Egyptian
>
god is the sun god -- "Ra." Louis XIV was Louis the "Sun King." The Sun is
>
imagined active, the moon passive. Old
as patriarchy. The man on the moon
> is
where you'd expect him to be.
>
>
Preston
--
Peace,
Bentz
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>You
can sit at a stupid coffee house and say,
>"yea,
the beats were cool and I really liked their
>message." Fuck that. I am already talking shit because
the
>"beats"
(at least when they were for real. I'm not talking
>about
Burroughs wierd new shit on CD or Cassidy riding
>around
in a colorful bus). But fuck it.
>Bonck,
David D
>bonckdd@jmu.edu
Seems
to me this thought encapsulates a lot of the talk that has been
floating
around this list for a while. 'S true, I am certainly with David
on some
points here. As I understand it, the beat spirit has nothing to do
with
the time in which it most notably occurred (namely '40s-'60s, very
broadly).
Critic might say that the movement sprang from bomb horror,
postwar
angst and so on, but these are merely the symptoms. I wouldn't find
it
surprising if a near exact parallel movement arrived on my doorstep
tomorrow.
Same horrors, my dears, just the words change and the means
through
which they may be expressed.
Jesus,
three o'clock in the PM and drunk already. Not good...
So, my
tuppence's worth says it doesn't matter through which medium the
message
is to be obtained. CD-ROMs are *just as much* an avoidance of True
Living
as books are. Literature, by (tentative) definition, is an escape
from
the ghastly banality of the process of living as is any other form of
art.
Otherwise, why bother? It's a common misconception to think that books
are
somehow superior as art works to theatre, a painting, sculpture, film
or a
really decent CD-ROM. Each has their merits, and I have studied them all.
The
dangers of attaching the beat generation to a specific period in time
have
been expressed pretty well in "Beatnik" by Toby Litt, a new novel in
which a
group of teenagers become obsessed with the idea of 1966, and cut
out
from their lives anything that arrived on the scene after that. At
times I
am reminded of these tragic chars. by some of the antics of those
who
would eulogise and chemically preserve an unrealistic ideal of life at
that
time. My advice? Don't wear black, don't snap your fingers, and don't
call anything
or anyone "hep" or "cat". A tenner says no real beat ever
did
after
it became "cool" to do so.
Consequently,
the B-Boys nicely capture the beat spirit (as incidentally do
Genet,
arguably Keats etc.), whilst not being tied to the time. To my mind
the
greatest of the writers of that time, Burroughs, said this in The Job:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
To
travel in space you must learn to leave the old verbal garbage behind:
food
talk, priest talk, mother talk, family talk, love talk, party talk,
country
talk. You must learn to exist with no religion, no country, no
allies.
You must learn to see what is in front of you with no
preconceptions.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think
it's reasonable to include time talk in that as a footnote.
Well,
that's me de-lurkified for a spell, just seemed worthwhile to point
out
that in his first post David observed something quite central to the
nature
of the study of beat literature.
ttfn,
Alan
Maddrell
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bought
a cd rom called the beat experience...put out by voyager... a lot of
fun,
interesting............
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Subject: Re: Kathy Acker
I hope
to heaven this is not true--that she has died.
I saw her in a
performance
with the Mekons at the MCA just over a month ago. She seemed in
good
health and spirits at the time. She was
a wonderfully obnoxious sexy
surrealist
avant garde author.
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Alan Peter Maddrell wrote:
>
So, my tuppence's worth says it doesn't matter through which medium the
>
message is to be obtained. CD-ROMs are *just as much* an avoidance of >
>
True
>
Living as books are. Literature, by (tentative) definition, is an >
>
escape
>
from the ghastly banality of the process of living as is any other form
> of
>
art. Otherwise, why bother?
Just
how tentative is your definition?: "Literature...is an escape from
the
ghastly banality of the process of living." No doubt some literature
is
meant to be an escape, mostly the top ten paperbacks on the New York
Times'
bestseller list. There are some books
you read to escape, others
to seek
more understanding of what it means to be human. Most Beat
literature
I would put in the second category and not the first. Most of
us on
this list probably have an affinity for Beat literature because we
identify
with the lifestyle and the ideas. But I
doubt many of us escape
true
living by being caught up in literature. Most great literature, no
matter
who it is written by, gives us insight into the nature of the
human
condition, so in fact we do not escape our own condition but
broaden
our ideas of what life is about by the insights of others into
human
psychological and philosophical dilemmas.
Good literature moves us
emotionally
and reconnects us to, not disconnects us from, the the human
experience. I really don't see how anyone can read
Kerouac, Ginsberg, or
Burroughs
as escape-ism. I read it and most good literature as a way of
enriching
the meaning of my own life. How can
reading Kerouac, for
instance,
allow you to escape from true living? How, by reading him, can
you
escape your own despair or moments of joy, a dualism that is a part
of
everyone's life? If anything he
accentuates pain and death and the
constant
struggle of each of us to come to terms with these things in our
own
lives.
DC
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song to woody by Bob Dylan (1962)
I'm out here
a thousand miles from home
walking a road
other men have gone down
I'm seeing a new world
of people and things
hear paupers and peasants
and princes and kings
hey hey woody guthrie
I wrote you a song
about the funny old world
that's coming along
seems sick and it's hungry
it's tired and it's torn
it looks like it's dying
and it's hardly been born
hey woody guthrie
but I know that you know
all the things I'm singing
and many time more
I'm singing you this song
but I can't sing enough
'cause there's not many men
that've done the things you've done
here's to cisco and sonny
and leadbelly too
and to all the good people
that travelled with you
here's to the hearts
and the hands of the men
that come with the dust
and are gone with the wind
I'm leaving tomorrow
but I could leave today
somewhere down the road
someday
the very last thing
that I'd want to do
is to say
I've been hitting some hard travelling
too
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From: "L.W. Deal"
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Subject: Re: Something to say etc....
In a
message dated 97-12-03 12:35:09 EST, DC writes:
<<
Most great literature, no
matter who it is written by, gives us insight
into the nature of the
human condition, so in fact we do not escape
our own condition but
broaden our ideas of what life is about by
the insights of others into
human psychological and philosophical
dilemmas. >>
I'm
with you on this one wholeheartedly, DC. Reading Kerouac, Burroughs, Jim
Carroll,
etc etc etc has done nothing but greatly deepen my understanding of
what it
is to live & to relish & to realize.... You said it all & said it
damn
well...
Starfishes
from Seattle
LD
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Kris
Kurrus wrote:
>
Just a note: Kathy's memoriam picture at the hub, was shot by Allen
>
Ginsberg in 1985, and she wrote "In Memoriam 2 Oblivion"
Pardon
my ignorance, would you mind saying a little more about In
Memoriam
2 Oblivion ?
Sorry
to say that I'm one of those lost sheep who didn't have a clue
about
who was Kathy Acker...
thanks
in advance,
daniel
caridade
caridade@mail.telepac.pt
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Point
well taken. Thanks for the clarification....
On Wed,
3 Dec 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:
>
>Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as
>
>a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)
>
>and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a
>
>reason for Jack's reversal of genders?
>
>~Nancy
>
>
>
>The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
>
>Sure-JK
>
>
The man on the moon is a man on the moon not the moon. Ancient Egyptian
>
god is the sun god -- "Ra." Louis XIV was Louis the "Sun
King." The Sun is
>
imagined active, the moon passive. Old
as patriarchy. The man on the moon
> is
where you'd expect him to be.
>
>
Preston
>
The
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her
obit was in this week's Voice...
On Wed,
3 Dec 1997, Sean Elias wrote:
> I
hope to heaven this is not true--that she has died. I saw her in a
>
performance with the Mekons at the MCA just over a month ago. She seemed in
>
good health and spirits at the time.
She was a wonderfully obnoxious sexy
>
surrealist avant garde author.
>
The
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Sure-JK