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Probably
finding transcripts of Ginsberg on the subject of censorship will be
difficult. He wasn't involved personally in the
"Howl" trial, in fact was in
Europe
at the time and the defense fell to City Lights and Ferlinghetti. He's
testified
about drugs on the record, but I think you'll have to look at his
interviews
to get quotes on censorship. There are
some more recent interviews
dealing
with his work's being banned on prime time radio in the age of Jesse
Helms.
Bill
Morgan
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hi
everyone. i'll be taking off early tomorrow on marathon 3 day train
trip
east to west coast. will have a hot mail account set up by leon, my
oh so
wondrous and gracious host, so i'm not setting nomail. talk to all
sometime
later in the week. i'm looking forward to some great stories to
tell,
via interviewing folks on tape. and of course my readings. ack!!!
have a
great holiday season
i'm
going from one and a half feet of snow and below 0 temps to the
sunnier
climes of santa cruz, el nino and all.
mc
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In a
message dated 97-12-14 11:13:49 EST, you write:
<<
i don't want to start the argument again, but the film did have some
redeeming
qualities. to tell you the truth, i hadn't
read anything beat until after i
saw the film. maybe its just my perspective,
but i liked it. there. enough
said. don't flame me, please.
~~marlene >>
Have no
fear of flame from here. If the film
prompted you pick up a Beat
related
book, then it obviously does have some value.
I may just watch it
again
and re-evaluate. My judgmental nature
has caused me to stumble in the
past...
Dennis
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M84M79
wrote:
>
> In
a message dated 97-12-14 10:37:05 EST, you write:
>
>
<< to bluff in a cocktail party on a campus somewhere >>
>
>
cocktail parties on campus???!!! what school is this???
>
~~marlene
dartmouth
definitely had them. usually it was
something the instructors
did to
pretend to have fun...i can't say i ever quite understood the
rituals.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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In a
message dated 97-12-14 11:10:02 EST, you write:
<<
rented this movie last night and I enjoyed it but I have a question.
Keanu Reeve's character,Harry,...who was that
supposed to be? And that guy
Ben? Who was that? >>
don't
start that again
~~marlene
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You_Be
Fine wrote:
>
> In
a message dated 97-11-28 02:27:08 EST, Jerry Cimino wrote:
>
>
<< "Hey, darlin', if you're making coffee, will you make me a
cup?" "Where's
> your mug?" "It's on the
Allen"... and after awhle we started to get used to
> it and now it we don't even hardly laugh
when we say it anymore... And now
> we're looking around for something to call
"Bill"...
>
> Jerry Cimino
> Fog City
> >>
>
> I
thoroughly loved this story, and your creative naming of unknown
>
architectural details. What a great idea, and of course, completely goofy, as
>
well.
>
> In
fact, I enjoyed your whole letter, including the images of you all trying
> to
scat to a wrestling match! I would give a week's pay to see that.
>
>
Good to hear from you, telling personal tales, and making me thankful in the
>
afterglow of Thanksgiving. Keep up the good work!
I liked
the story, too, Jerry! --Al Aronowitz
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If
anybody is REALLY interested in this topic I can suggest this:
The
Ariz State English and History departments (maybe in conjunction with
the
Ariz Arts Council) co-hosted a public AG panel (then a reading and
signing)
on censorship (or some topic similar) May 7th 1993, I think at the
Scottsdale
Ctr for the Arts. These are the best
clues memory lets me give.
The
date's correct, and the city, and the hosts. The building is probably,
or
close by it.
I've
been out of the ASU loop too long to remember names, so I can't provide
a
contact. But if you want to make a cold
call, maybe they recorded the
session. Call the departments or, try the ASU
library.
I do
remember the academicians held forth (oh, man did they). AG had little
opportunity
for expression, and was more than once cut off.
I'm not
going to bother, even tho it's down the street (Tempe). Low
probability,
and definitely no interest. But if anyone wants to takefollow
this,
e-mail me and I'll get the department phones numbers for you, or try
to root
a name of one of the hosts/panelists.
Good hunting.
--VJ
_____________________
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opinions and those of my employer are usually different,
for
which my mother apologizes.
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At
12:10 PM 12/14/97 EST, M84M79 wrote:
>In
a message dated 97-12-14 11:10:02 EST, you write:
>
><<
rented this movie last night and I enjoyed it but I have a question.
>
Keanu Reeve's character,Harry,...who was that supposed to be? And that guy
>
Ben? Who was that? >>
>
>don't
start that again
>~~marlene
>
>
OK, its
Jack. Because without Kerouac, Cassady
didn't even exist.
On the
other hand, without Neal (Dean), I wonder if Jack (Sal) would
ever
have existed. You can't make a film
about Cassady without mentioning
Kerouac,
because there is no Cassady, despite his colorfullness, without
Jack.
Mike
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mike
rice wrote:
>
> At
12:10 PM 12/14/97 EST, M84M79 wrote:
>
>In a message dated 97-12-14 11:10:02 EST, you write:
>
>
>
><< rented this movie last night and I enjoyed it but I have a
question.
>
> Keanu Reeve's character,Harry,...who was that supposed to be? And that guy
>
> Ben? Who was that? >>
>
>
>
>don't start that again
>
>~~marlene
>
>
>
>
>
OK, its Jack. Because without Kerouac,
Cassady didn't even exist.
> On
the other hand, without Neal (Dean), I wonder if Jack (Sal) would
>
ever have existed. You can't make a
film about Cassady without mentioning
>
Kerouac, because there is no Cassady, despite his colorfullness, without
>
Jack.
>
>
Mike Rice
Is this
movie available at any video store?
Could you tell me a little
more
about it?
I have
never heard of it.
Eric
Mayhew
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>
From: mike rice <mrice@CENTURYINTER.NET>
>
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>
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>
Date: Sunday, December 14, 1997 1:22 PM
>
> At
12:10 PM 12/14/97 EST, M84M79 wrote:
>
>In a message dated 97-12-14 11:10:02 EST, you write:
>
>
>
><< rented this movie last night and I enjoyed it but I have a
question.
>
> Keanu Reeve's character,Harry,...who was that supposed to be? And that
guy
>
> Ben? Who was that? >>
>
>
>
>don't start that again
>
>~~marlene
>
>
>
>
>
OK, its Jack. Because without Kerouac,
Cassady didn't even exist.
> On
the other hand, without Neal (Dean), I wonder if Jack (Sal) would
>
ever have existed. You can't make a
film about Cassady without
mentioning
>
Kerouac, because there is no Cassady, despite his colorfullness, without
>
Jack.
>
>
Mike Rice
I have
to disagree with that - Cassady would have been Cassady no matter
what.
There would not have been Kerouac if not for Cassady - but not vice
versa.
It seemed like Neal would "be Neal" for others, changing some things
depending
on who it was for, but he was always the same "character." Even
if
Kerouac would never have written about him, Neal would still be Neal.
As for
the movie, the letter was being written to Jack, but Jack was not in
the
movie. I thought Keanu Reeves' character was supposed to represent one
of
Neal's Denver buddies - I read about a guy who was an exceptional pool
player,
and Neal offered to teach him about literature and philosophy if
this
guy would teach him to play pool. I wish I could remember his name -
his
last name may have been Petersen????? I'm not sure, but I read about
him in
"The Holy Goof" by William Plummer. Anyway, I thought that was who
Keanu
Reeves was playing. Or maybe it was Hinkle???
Christa
St. Peter
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This is
to an earlier thread on Henry Miller and Kerouac::
Quoted
from an interview with Audrey Jane Booth in 1962:
Q:...Well,
what young American authors besides Saul Bellow do you admire?...
A: I
don't have any that I can think of offhand. I have been fascinated b
Kerouac,
I must say. Very uneven writer, perhaps and I don't think he has
yet
shown his full possibilities, Kerouac.
Q: He's
too young. He hasn't -
A: But
he has a great gift. this great verbal gift like Thomas Wolfe had,
you
know, and a few others. Tremendous gift I think, but to me rather
undisciplined,
uncontrolled, and so on, but I am fascinated bu one book
called
The Dharma Bums, I don't know if you know that, do you?
Q: No,
I am not familiar -
A: Yes,
that's beauty in my mind, and is, and has more - better grip on the
subject
too, than the other books, less loose and, you know, it's more
contained.
Wonderful
subject, wonderful theme he's got, wonderful characters in it, and
I love
his writing there. Wonderful writing. Yes.
Q: It
seems to me, Mr. Miller, that in writing, as probably in composing,
that
the maturity of the man issomething that a, is, is all, that you
mentioned
Kerouac. He can keep maturing - he has the possibilities. He can
probably
at 90 write.
A: Yes.
Q: -
more beautifully than at any other time of his life, if he lives to be 90.
Miller
goes on to explain the paradox of being a good writer....that there
isn't
any struggle with the craft. It is more of a handicap. It is better to
start
as a bad writer and develop the craft of writing. I thought that this
was
interesting anecdotal info on Miller about Kerouac. Paul of TKQ...
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
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In a
message dated 97-12-14 18:32:15 EST, you write:
<<
I read about a guy who was an exceptional pool
player, and Neal offered to teach him about
literature and philosophy if
this guy would teach him to play pool. I wish
I could remember his name -
his last name may have been Petersen????? >>
In
"Visions of Cody" Kerouac calls this character Tom Watson, the Denver
poolhall
wonderkid who "discovered" Neal Cassady (tho I don't think that Keanu
Reeves
portrayed this character in that (awful) film, because Kerouac
describes
Tom Watson as being "crippled"---also, Kerouac does not mention the
penchant
for drinking which Reeves' character displayed).
AC
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From: "Diane M. Homza"
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Subject: housekeeping (not really beat related)
For
anyone who knows (Bill Gargan??)--if you get "kicked off" the Beat-L
list
because there isn't enough room in your mailbox to accommodate incoming
mail,
are you notified at all? I was sending
a request to listerv to
adjust
a setting for my beat-l subscription, & once I finally got the right
address,
a message was sent back to me saying that I wasn't subscribed to
Beat-L. ??? The wonders of modern technology....
--
"This
is Beat. Live your lives out? Naw, _love_ your lives out!"
--Jack Kerouac
Diane
Marie Homza
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If
anyone in beat-land is interested, tomorrow's Biography (A&E)
features
Edgar Cayce. Cassady fans might want to see this, cos Cayce had
the
same effect on Neal & Carolyn that Buddhism had on Kerouac.
Remember,
right when Kerouac was into his Dharma Bums kick, writing Some
Of The
Dharma, Old Angel Midnight, & Scripture of the Golden Etermity,
Cassady
was totally absorbed by Cayce's teachings (actually Jack &
Neal's
philosophical disagreements led to his bolting from Los Gatos in
'55...correct
me if I'm wrong!). So anyway, it's on Monday night if
you're
curious.
Adrien
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>In
a message dated 97-12-14 10:37:05 EST, you write:
>
><<
to bluff in a cocktail party on a campus somewhere >>
>cocktail
parties on campus???!!! what school is this???
>~~marlene
Marlene,
It was
a typo. The original was:
"cock/tail
parties on campus???!!! "
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Does
anyone out there know if the famed den of Beat debauch which Kerouac
calls
"The Place" is still around?
And if not, does anyone know where in SF
it was
located? And was the real name of the
bar "The Place"? If anyone
could
divulge even the slightest detail about this Place I would really
appreciate
it, as I aim to visit the hallowed spot when I'm in San Fran next
week. Thanks,
Anthony
C.
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DCardKJHS
wrote:
>
> In
a message dated 97-12-14 11:13:49 EST, you write:
>
>
<< i don't want to start the argument again, but the film did have some
>
redeeming
> qualities. to tell you the truth, i hadn't
read anything beat until after i
> saw the film. maybe its just my perspective,
but i liked it. there. enough
> said. don't flame me, please.
> ~~marlene >>
so, the
argument starts again. i saw the movie, i was compelled by all
the
diverse comments i read here.
i liked
it. i mean, we all know that it's not art and that whatever is
filmed
for hollywood is made to be sold only. but. but, it gave me
energy;
i couldn't sleep afterwards; it reminded me about the life out
there
neal know how to use. made me want to live even more.
and
another thing i liked was that he is portrayed as an emotional being
(at
least he seemed to me) which i tend to forget sometimes when reading
about
him.
everything
(almost) has something positive about it. we should always
use
things to our advantage. it could've been worse. they could've taken
pamella
anderson for joan's part :)
ksenija
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>I
find it hard to believe that Father Tim had any involvment with such a bogus
>group
as the CIA! but i have learned also over the years that anything is
>possible.
on a more persoanl note- I had many fine experiences on "Orange
>Sunshine"
and cannot honestly say that it destroyed my involvment with the
>Liberal
movement- the bull crap developed and handed down by the movement did
>it
for me!
>
Gene
I seem
to have have missed something.
What
link is working on such things as "orange sunsihe destroy[ed] the
liberal
movement...?"
I
really want to archive this thread.
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In a
message dated 97-12-15 01:54:38 EST, you write:
<<
everything (almost) has something positive about it. we should always
use things to our advantage. it could've been
worse. they could've taken
pamella anderson for joan's part :)
ksenija, are you recommending the film? This is very faint praise. I have
resolved
to watch it again but not until next week.
I promise not to post my
reaction
to the list (unless, of course, I see the light and decide to profess
the
brilliance of the film, the actors, or the director:>)
Dennis
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> Re: redemption/why not compassion
> Date:
> Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:40:57 +0000
> From:
> Marie Countryman
<country@SOVER.NET>
>
>
> i
prefer to meditate upon compassion for others vs redemption.
> i
don't feel i have a damned thing that i've done in this world to repent or
> be
redeemed from.
> i
have a simple credo:
> be
kind, learn, listen to others
>
have compassion for self and others.
> mc
If only
everyone lived their lives by this credo--how much less violence
do you
suppose we'd have???
cathy
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Has
anyone ever read "Shrodinger's Cat" by Robert Anton Wilson?
this
little scenario sounds like it was taken right out of that book...
cathy
>
>
Subject:
> (FWD-excerpt from)Was Timothy Leary a
CIA Agent?
> Date:
> Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:12:53 +0100
> From:
> Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
>
>
>
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:00:13 -0800
>
>From: bofus? <bofus@mindspring.com>
>
>1968: While other New-Left leaders preach violent overthrow of the U.S.
>
>Government and creation of a Marxist dictatorship, Leary urges instead a
>
>nonviolent, drug-oriented "hippie capitalism," an artsy-craftsy,
>
>decentralized, libertarian sort of entrepeneurship that will also soon
>
>find its expression in the culture of the Grateful Dead. While Leary's
>
>position does constitute a rejection of the corporate world, it also
>
>embraces private property and the profit motive. Because of this, the
>
>Marxist Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) denounces Leary and his
>
>noncommunist followers for "limiting the revolution." The
Progressive
>
>Labor Party (PLP), a Maoist "Old Left" group, goes so far as to
claim
>
>that Leary is a CIA agent. But the PLP is accusing everyone it disgarees
>
>with of being CIA.
>
>
>
>1969: Leary critics will eventually point with suspicion to his close
>
>connections during this time to an international LSD-smuggling cartel,
>
>the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, which is rumored to be a CIA front. The
>
>Brotherhood is controlled by Ronald Stark, whom an Italian High Court
>
>will later conclude has been a CIA agent since 1960, and the
>
>Brotherhood's funds are channeled through Castle Bank in the Bahamas, a
>
>known CIA "proprietary." For two years Leary lives at Brotherhood
>
>headquarters, located on a ranch in Laguna Beach. During this period,
>
>the Brotherhood corners the U.S. market on LSD and begins distributing
>
>only one variety of the drug, "Orange Sunshine." Stark says he
plans to
>
>distribute the product to CIA-backed guerillas fighting Chinese
>
>occupation; he reportedly knows a high-placed Tibetan close to the Dalai
>
>Lama, and wants to provide enough LSD to dose all Chinese troops in
>
>Tibet. In the U.S., meanwhile, Stark provides enough Orange Sunshine to
>
>dose the hippie culture and radical left many times over. This is the
>
>"bad acid" on which Charles Manson's followers murder Sharon
Tate, and
>
>on which Hell's Angels stab to death a black man during a concert by the
>
>Rolling Stones. The Summer of Love has been supplanted by a Season of
>
>Hate. Because of this, many countercultural insiders -- including
>
>William S. Burroughs, White Panther leader John Sinclair, and Merry
>
>Prankster Ken Kesey -- will eventually entertain the theory that Stark,
>
>Leary, and Orange Sunshine are all part of CIA plot to discredit and
>
>neutralize the radical left. According to former radicals Martin Lee and
>
>Bruce Shalin, widespread use of Orange Sunshine "contributed
>
>significantly to the demise of the New Left, for it heightened the
>
>metabolism of the body politic and accelerated all the changes going
>
>on... In its hyped-up condition, the New Left burned itself out."
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"When
we heard about the hippies, the barely more than boys and
girls
who decided to try something different . . . we laughed at
them.
Smug in our certain awareness that . . . communal life must
be more
difficult even than nuclear family life, which we know,
to our
very nerve endings, is disastrous, we condemned them, our
children,
for seeking a different future. We hated them for their
flowers,
for their love, and for their unmistakeable rejection of
every
hideous, mistaken compromise that we had made throughout
our
hollow, money-bitten, frightened, adult lives."
---June
Jordan (b. 1939), U.S. poet, civil rights activist.
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Jo- in the original excerpt that statement was
made about orange sunshine
destroying
the Liberal movement- i was just reacting to that statement.
Gene
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Subject:
> The Last Time I Committed Suicide...
> Date:
> Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:00:31 -0500
> From:
> Nancy B Brodsky
<nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>
>
>
> I
rented this movie last night and I enjoyed it but I have a question.
>
Keanu Reeve's character,Harry,...who was that supposed to be? And that guy
>
Ben? Who was that? I didn't recognize anyone from Beat lore in that movie
>
except for Neal and Joan.
>
~Nancy
> PS
Great soundtrack,though
>
>
The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
>
Sure-JK
>
Isn't
that because the Cherry Mary letter was written before the big
Beat
meeetings took place?
Also, I
think that Ben is the name of the character that everyone here a
few
weeks ago thought was supposed to be allen ginsberg?
help me
out, please...
Oh,
just for the record, I kinda liked the film, however I'm still
waiting
for a better portrayal of the Beat Gen.
(Did anyone ever see
that
gawdawful movie called 'Heartbeat'?) (YUCK!)
cathy
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>
Subject:
> on the rails
> Date:
> Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:48:41 +0000
> From:
> Marie Countryman
<country@SOVER.NET>
>
>
> hi
everyone. i'll be taking off early tomorrow on marathon 3 day train
>
trip east to west coast. will have a hot mail account set up by leon, my
> oh
so wondrous and gracious host, so i'm not setting nomail. talk to all
>
sometime later in the week. i'm looking forward to some great stories to
>
tell, via interviewing folks on tape. and of course my readings. ack!!!
>
have a great holiday season
>
i'm going from one and a half feet of snow and below 0 temps to the
>
sunnier climes of santa cruz, el nino and all.
> mc
"What
is that feeling when you're driving away from people and they
recede
on the plain till you see their specks dispersing?--it's the too
huge
world vaulting us, and it's good-by.
But we lean forward to the
next
crazy venture beneath the skies."
--Jack Kerouac
On the Road
Marie:
talk to
you soon,
cathy
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I'm not
certain about "The Place" but I just recommend a leasurely walk
around
the
main streets and side alleys of North Beach.
Vesuvio's and Spec's are two
bars
with beat-era roots. I think the Purple
Onion, where Lenny Bruce
performed,
is still around. Above all, "ya
just gotta poke around."
Howard
Park
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Thank
you very much for the Henry Miller interview stuff on Kerouac. It
seems
to me, although I am saying this out of intuition five minutes after
I got
up rather than after a lot of thought, that the two are in many ways
similar
or sympathetic writers...
Don Lee
Fayetteville,
Ark.
"All
growth is a leap in the dark, a spontaneous unpremeditated act
without
benefit of experience."
--Henry Miller
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have a full mail box, all your mail is bounced back to the
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"Once
Ronald Laing came in Rome he met Michael and
JoAnna
McClure. Ronald, everyone called him Ronnie,
was
happy of chat with them. When he was drunk he
sat
down apart and he chatted in a low voice with
Michael
McClure."---from an article by F. Pivano,1979.
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jo
wrote:
>I
seem to have have missed something.
>
>What
link is working on such things as "orange sunsihe destroy[ed] the
>liberal
movement...?"
>
>I
really want to archive this thread.
>
>j
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>
jo,
it's me rinaldo, i think it's a serious topic the luck of
leftism
in the western countries. i was in the 60s & 70s a
new
leftist activist. i'm perhaps in a dark-esque stage of
life
but it's discouraging matter to realize i/(we) was/(were)
manipulated
by marionnettistes. it elapsed circa 30year ago but...
democracy
is the background to a beat way of life. let imagine
a world
where won the nazism and tell us what it would happened?
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cathy
says:
>Has
anyone ever read "Shrodinger's Cat" by Robert Anton Wilson?
>
>this
little scenario sounds like it was taken right out of that book...
>
>
>cathy
>
>
the
issue: please check this web site:
http://home.dti.net/lawserv/leary.html
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In a
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<<
Marlene,
It was a typo. The original was:
"cock/tail parties on campus???!!! "
>>
hee hee
~marlene
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In a
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<<
ksenija, are you recommending the film?
This is very faint praise. I
have
resolved to watch it again but not until next
week. I promise not to post my
reaction to the list (unless, of course, I
see the light and decide to
profess
the brilliance of the film, the actors, or
the director:>)
Dennis >>
i'll
watch it again as well, dennis, and maybe i'll post what i find redeeming
about
the film. oops, redemption....that was a whole 'nother thread.
~~marlene
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In a
message dated 97-12-15 12:04:22 EST, you write:
<<
Thank you very much for the Henry Miller interview stuff on Kerouac. It
seems to me, although I am saying this out of
intuition five minutes after
I got up rather than after a lot of thought,
that the two are in many ways
similar or sympathetic writers...
Don Lee
Fayetteville, Ark. >>
this is
amazing to me, because all i know of miller is how anais nin describes
him in
her diaries. i never paired him up with JK from her interpretation of
miller's
writing. what makes you say "similar?"
~~marlene
(i just
keep posting and posting)
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Patricia,
A very interesting image.....photo? Is
it a photo? I see an upright
figure
bent slightly forward to the left, but projecting to the right from
the
base of the figure another figure in which I think I can make out a
face/head
with fedora...which is figure, which is shadow?....how much is
imagination?
Tell me more!
Antoine
*******************
on the
road to wichita,
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Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
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Marlene- I had read that Miller interview awhile
back. Miller and Jk's
writing
styles are nowhere close in style. Personally i always had a rough
time
with Miller's fiction but his essays are absolutely brilliant! And he was
quite
the stud!
GT
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Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>
>
Patricia,
>
> A very interesting image.....photo?
Is it a photo? I see an upright
>
figure bent slightly forward to the left, but projecting to the right from
>
the base of the figure another figure in which I think I can make out a
>
face/head with fedora...which is figure, which is shadow?....how much is
>
imagination? Tell me more!
>
> Antoine
>
> *******************
>
> on
the road to wichita,
>
it is a
very poor copy of a great picture of williams shadow on the
window
of a vehicle.The back ground is some strange distortion of the
flint
hills. the picture was one of John
myers, he rented the billy
plymell
room this summer at the new beat hotel.. I wish i had scanned
the
original. wonderful colors. John will probably return from belize
nest
summer, i love the image, it is a great one of williams wonderful
beak.
patricia
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hello,
it's me Rinaldo, tonite the italian domestic tv channel
rete4
has broadcasted the movie "Beautiful And Damned"
directed
by Gus Van Sant (dedicated to Scott Melloo Nall, Jr.)
cast of
characters: mike waters river phoenix
scott
favor keanu reeves
richard
waters james russo
bob
pigeon william richert
etc.
additional
dialogues by william shakespeare and thanks to B-52's.
this
film has an unique feeling mixing the professional images
with
those 5mm homemade films (before the cam recorder) to take
our
soul as a remembrance/dream. the character doddy carroll mike
cotrell
seems jack kerouac, and the richard mike water's death
has
maybe something to do with the death of Neal Cassady on the
railroad,
the freeway as railroad. saluti a tutti from italia.
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Allen
Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac (photo)
&
a jk's
pome dedicated to patricia elliott:
ROSE
POME by Jack Kerouac
I'd rather be thin than famous,
I dont wanta be fat,
And a woman throws me outa bed
Callin me Gordo, & everytime
I bend
to pickup
my suspenders
from the
davenport
floor I explode
loud huge grunt-o
and disgust
every one
in the familio
I'd rather be thin than famous
But I'm fat
Paste that in yr. Broadway Show
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Van
Sant dedicates his new movie "Good Will Hunting" to Allen Ginsberg
and
William S. Burroughs. The dedication
comes as the main character is
seen
driving away down an empty highway, having chosen to search for love
over
having a career. Very poignant.
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Season's
greetings to all!
Did any
of you happen to notice that in the issue of the _NY Times Book
Review_
with the article by Robert Stone about Kerouac and Melville
(12/7/97)
there also appeared an advertisement (on p. 68, lower left
corner)
for famous busts which included Kerouac. The firm is Fred Blatt
out of
Fly Creek, NY (with this address he should be doing busts of
Brautigan
and Hemingway). Has anyone seen any of his work? Or perhaps does
anyone
even own one? The ad said the prices range from $49-$79. Anyone
with
special information on this item?
Cordially,
Mike
Skau
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Once you have given up the ghost,
everything follows with dead
certainty,
even in the midst of chaos. From the
beginning it was never
anything
but chaos: it was a fluid which
enveloped me, which I breathed in
through
the gills. In the substrata, where the
moon shone steady and
opaque,
it was smooth and fecunding; above it was a jangle and a discord.
In
everything I quickly saw the opposite, the contradiction, and between
the
real and the unreal the irony, the paradox.
I was my own worst enemy.
There
was nothing I wished to do which I could just as well not do. Even
as a
child, when I lacked for nothing, I wanted to die: I wanted to
surrender
because I saw no sense in struggling. I
felt that nothing would
be
proved, substantiated, added or subtracted by continuing an existence
which I
had not asked for. Everybody around me
was a failure, or if not a
failure,
ridiculous. Especially the successful
ones. The successful ones
bored
me to tears. I was sympathetic to a
fault, but it was not sympathy
that
made me so. It was a purely negative
quality, a weakness which
blossomed
at the mere sight of human misery. I
never helped any one
expecting
that it would do any good; I helped because I was helpless to do
otherwise. To want to change the condition of affairs
seemed futile to me;
nothing
would be altered, I was convinced, except by a change of heart, and
who
could change the hearts of men? Now and
then a friend was converted:
it was
something to make me puke. I had no
more need of God than He of me,
and if
there were one, I often said to myself, I would meet Him calmly and
spit in
his face.
-from
TROPIC OF CAPRICORN
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A
couple of things--for one, their mutual ties w/ the French language.
That
may seem minor, but Kerouac's Frenchcanadian background is one reason
(I
forget who said this) for his becoming an Outsider--he was born into a
cultural
minority. And Miller of course was
truly in love w/ all things
Gallic. Plus their mutual "religious"
leanings, in both cases quite
outside
the realm of "normal" religious interest--though Kerouac came back
to
"normal" Catholicism in his later years, her certainly roamed around
before
that. I've just been reading a book of
letters between Miller and
a
literary critic named Wallace Fowlie, a friend of his, and they seem
almost
entirely "religious" in nature.
I think a book like Miller's BIG
SUR AND
THE ORANGES OF HIERONYMOUS BOSCH shows a definite spiritual
nature. And speaking of Outsiders, Miller of course
became one in his
mid-thirties
when he took off for Paris. Finally, I
consider both great
Artists
(capital-A) because both of them--Miller in TROPIC OF CANCER and
Kerouac
in ON THE ROAD--tried to push past and beyond the normal
strictures
of what the form (the novel) could do, and both succeeded and
carved
out new territory in the landscape of Literature.
Yadda-yadda. Howzat?
cordially,
Don Lee
Fayetteville,
Ark.
"All
growth is a leap in the dark, a spontaneous unpremeditated act
without
benefit of experience."
--Henry Miller
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Pretty
wild stuff! Miller was out there.
GT
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>
>2.
Closed on Account of Rabies (2 Cds or Cass) 16.00
>(includes
shipping, handling and tax)
>Poems
and Tales of Edgar Allen Poe
>New
from Mouth Almighty/Mercury Records
>features
a number of artists doing Poe
>including:
>Iggy
Pop "The Tell-Tale Heart"
>Marianne
Faithfull "Alone"
>Dr.
John "Berenice"
>Christopher
Walken "The Raven"
>Diamanda
Galas "The Black Cat"
>plus
many more
>Cool
production by Hal Wilner
>
Don't
forget Ed Sanders on two tracks as well...an essay on Poe by
Baudelaire
is included and an essay with anecdotes on Ginsberg whom I'm
surprised
did not read on this compilation. Ginsberg makes the remark that
everything
starts with Poe. I remember in Lowell back in 1992 he gave a long
recall
of the literary influences of the Beats...he even said then that Poe
"woke
us from our dogmatic slumber" and was the "first to make us
paranoid."
Also,
from there the French Symbolists guided them in sensorium of the
world's
vibes.. .Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Verlaine. Christopher Walken reading
The
Raven is worth the price of the set alone! Just like he did in The Dead
Zone.
>
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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Good
Will Hunting is a Gus Van Sant movie? Mmmmm....
On Mon,
15 Dec 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
>
Van Sant dedicates his new movie "Good Will Hunting" to Allen
Ginsberg
>
and William S. Burroughs. The
dedication comes as the main character is
>
seen driving away down an empty highway, having chosen to search for love
>
over having a career. Very poignant.
>
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In a
message dated 97-12-15 19:49:21 EST, you write:
<<
Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac (photo) >>
my-oh-my
thank you for the photo..i believe that's one of my favorite taken of
jack
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Rinaldo:
I've
never heard of this movie. Was it
good? River Phoenix was one of
my
favorite actors, and usually Gus Van Sant is a great director (with
the
exception of Even Cowgirls Get The Blues).
If you or anyone out
there
can pass along info on this movie, let me know.
cathy
>
>
Subject:
> a Gus Van Sant movie.
> Date:
> Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:23:55 +0100
> From:
> Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
>
>
>
hello, it's me Rinaldo, tonite the italian domestic tv channel
>
rete4 has broadcasted the movie "Beautiful And Damned"
>
directed by Gus Van Sant (dedicated to Scott Melloo Nall, Jr.)
>
cast of characters: mike waters river phoenix
> scott
favor keanu reeves
> richard
waters james russo
> bob
pigeon william richert
> etc.
>
additional dialogues by william shakespeare and thanks to B-52's.
>
this film has an unique feeling mixing the professional images
>
with those 5mm homemade films (before the cam recorder) to take
>
our soul as a remembrance/dream. the character doddy carroll mike
>
cotrell seems jack kerouac, and the richard mike water's death
>
has maybe something to do with the death of Neal Cassady on the
>
railroad, the freeway as railroad. saluti a tutti from italia.
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Hi there,
I have
recently joined the list, and since some of you seem to posses an
incredible
amount of information on the major beatwriters, i wonder if
someone
knows anything about WS.Burroughs's connection to Denmark? The
biographies
sheds only a dim light on his visits to Denmark besides his
meetings
with K.Elvins and the Annexia-inspiration. If you vould help me on
this,
I'd be deeply grateful!
Sincerely
Michael
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RARA-AVIS, the hard-boiled fiction list, sent
me browsing through gifs of old
paperback
covers from the 40's and 50's. I
stumbled on the 1958 Signet
edition
of OTR and some bio about the artist, Barye Phillips. For those
interested:
www.ils.unc.edu/rarebooks/phillips.html which will send you to
www.ils.unc.edu/rarebooks/barye1b.gif (the OTR cover)
3 more
days of school....then Christmas vacation!!!!
Dennis
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Hi, is
anyone willing to share their views on what makes someone/a group
"counterculture",
not only in the context of the 1960s but also in today's
world?
Just
why were the Beats deemed as "counterculture"? Did they think of
themselves
that way (did any of the Beats explicitly call themselves that)
or was
this merely the media/society's view of them?
I hope
my questions make sense.
Thanks,
Sharon
Ngiam.
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Once
again it's that time for me to attempt to sign-off for
the
holidays. The point of this is to
ensure that I don't
return
to around a thousand e-mails.
Unfortunately it never
seems
to work. I came back from the summer to
3000 e-mails
which
was a waste 'cos I couldn't read 'em all, so I just
deleted
the lot. And then found out I'd deleted
all the
Burroughs
death stuff. Bitch. Anyhow, have a groovy
christmas
everyone, and a good new year, and I'll see you in
a few
weeks for more fun and adventure on the BEAT-LIST.
It's
freezing here, so I'm trying to spend as much time in
the
Computer Centre as possible in order to avoid having to
go
outside.
Peace.
Tom. H.
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Bear of Very Little Brain"
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hey beat-l'ers
i was
wondering if anyone out there might have the entire serialization of
"wake
up" by kerouac that was featured in tricycle magazine. if so would
some
kind soul out there consider photocopying it for me? i sure would
like to
have a look at it. can someone help me?
and as an aside - ive started the
ferocious move and boy lemme
tell ya
- something like 10 boxes of books up 5 flights of stairs is no
fun.
and now i have no book case so i just got piles of books everywhere
(moved
my books before my clothes) and rediscoverin great treasures in the
bookpiles)
and 2 very confused cats. poor radison. poor pivot.
yrs
derek
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It was
instantly obvious with your description....especially of WSB's
'beak'.
Do I see rising clouds or hill faces or what through the window?
When I look at small version it looks
like one of those amazing
towering
prairie skys.
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves,
for they shall never
cease
to be amused."
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Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
>
cathy says:
>
>Has anyone ever read "Shrodinger's Cat" by Robert Anton Wilson?
>
>
>
>this little scenario sounds like it was taken right out of that book...
>
>
>
>
>
>cathy
>
>
>
>
>
the issue: please check this web site:
>
>
http://home.dti.net/lawserv/leary.html
i read
this article last evening and found that it wasn't particularly
convincing. one of those cases where coincidences are
assumed to be
meaningful
i suppose when some coincidences aren't.
just as the
importance
of Freudian thought must include that sometimes a pencil is
just a
pencil for the theories to have any cognitive significance,
Jungian
notions of meaningful coincidence are only useful if there exist
situations
in which coincidences are deemed un-meaningful.
with
regards to the specifics of the article, i'm not clear about what
brainwashing
of JFK supposedly took place. certainly
there were some
erratic
behaviors on his part (supposedly shifting from a connection
with
the mob to -- with his brother -- going at the mob full force) but
it
doesn't seem to me that necessarily Kennedy's agenda was less liberal
or
radical for that matter after the supposed LSD brainwash. Of course,
in the
author's rhetoric (which seems to parallel Richard Hofstader's
notion
of "the paranoid style") ANY action by JFK could be fit into the
meaningful
coincidences associated with the alleged brainwashing -
liberal
policies being used to mystify and cover the control of the
CIA!
The
story also assumes the version of JFK's history which included
fairly
serious pharmacological assistance to his administration of the
nation. His reaction to the cannabis - suggesting as
it were that it
was
nothing compared to cocaine - seems to suggest someone with
sufficient
experience with drug use that the dopamine centers would not
be
average by any means and these notions might undermine the
suggestibility
of brainwashing techniques under the LSD.
Certainly JFK
would
have had sufficient awareness of personal chemistry to realize
that
something had been altered significantly without his knowledge and
this
would have put up a guard against the trustworthiness necessary for
successful
brainwashing methods.
The
details with regards to Leary (not to mention the forgetting of the
Belladonna
influence at the Manson ranch) are perhaps laughable -- even
if they
are true. It would be as easy to say
that as a radical Leary
taught
the exact opposite method of brainwashing in order to promote a
progressive
agenda.
Mere
financial association with an organization does not mean political
complicity. I had to recall the humor of the situation
when i was an
instructor
of sorts at Dartmouth College and the radical students in the
divestment
movement thought i was an administration spy because i
received
a paycheck from the College.
And the
fact that other left wing players like Rubin and Ginsberg had
less
than kind words to say about Leary hardly makes him a
conspiratorial
agent against the liberal wing of America.
There may be
more
evidence that the efforts to radicalize the liberal wing -
especially
in Chicago in 1968 - led to a split of more mainstream
liberals,
split the liberal vote among factions of extremes and
guaranteed
Tricky Dick's victory.
I'm not
suggesting that Leary is innocent. Few
of us are when it gets
right
down to it. But the article posted in
the URL seems more the
ravings
of someone in a delusionary state (a condition i'm certifiably
aware
of) than any proof of a meaningfully significant Leary-CIA
connection.
just a
thought,
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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I would
love to have piles of books everywhere. Im collecting lots of
books,
from everywhere. I live in NYC now, so I always check the used
books
table outside Bobst Library(NYU) for books and Ive found good stuff,
even
Chanukah presents. Bookshelves are overrated.
~nancy
On Tue,
16 Dec 1997, Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
hey beat-l'ers
> i
was wondering if anyone out there might have the entire serialization of
>
"wake up" by kerouac that was featured in tricycle magazine. if so
would
>
some kind soul out there consider photocopying it for me? i sure would
>
like to have a look at it. can someone help me?
> and as an aside - ive started the
ferocious move and boy lemme
>
tell ya - something like 10 boxes of books up 5 flights of stairs is no
>
fun. and now i have no book case so i just got piles of books everywhere
>
(moved my books before my clothes) and rediscoverin great treasures in the
>
bookpiles) and 2 very confused cats. poor radison. poor pivot.
>
yrs
>
derek
>
>
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>
Derek Beaulieu
>
House Press (limited ed. chapbooks, prints, etc)
>
#502-728 3rd Ave NW
>
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, T2N 0J1
>
ph. (403)270-4440, fax. 270-9357
>
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>
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Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
and now i have no book case so i just got piles of books everywhere
>
(moved my books before my clothes) and rediscoverin great treasures in the
>
bookpiles) and 2 very confused cats. poor radison. poor pivot.
i
recommend highly using kitchen shelves as bookshelves. afterall -
books
beat food don't they?
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
>
yrs
>
derek
>
>
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Derek Beaulieu
>
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>
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>
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>
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>jo
wrote:
>>I
seem to have have missed something.
>>
>>What
link is working on such things as "orange sunsihe destroy[ed] the
>>liberal
movement...?"
>>
>>I
really want to archive this thread.
>>
>>j
grant
>>
>> HELP RECOVER THE MEMORY
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>>
>jo,
it's me rinaldo, i think it's a serious topic the luck of
>leftism
in the western countries. i was in the 60s & 70s a
>new
leftist activist. i'm perhaps in a dark-esque stage of
>life
but it's discouraging matter to realize i/(we) was/(were)
>manipulated
by marionnettistes. it elapsed circa 30year ago but...
>democracy
is the background to a beat way of life. let imagine
>a
world where won the nazism and tell us what it would happened?
I have
to backpeddle and figure this out. I'm missing something. Acid,
particluarly
Orange Sunshine, looking back almost 30 years, had a powerful
influence
on me. Positive all the way. I miss it. Back then, and I feel the
same
way today but the political climate is such that I set aside the
desires
to seek, I enjoyed a serious trip every year or so. Cleared the
cobwebs,
opened my eyes, marvelled at the beauty, the unseen....
I smile
to myself picturing the knowing smiles on the list.
If I
had it to do all over again I'd probably be in a lab with a Ph.D. in
organic
chemistry or pharmacology devoting myself to research.
Hmmm
j grant
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Note to
Marie Countryman.
By the
time you get this you'll have been met by a freind of mine. I have
no
doubt that your brief layover will be one you'll remember. Jerry (and
possibly
Arthur will join him) are two that are one-of-a-kind.
I ended
up with a sick neighbor child and a delayed aniversary dinner I had
committed
to preparing and tonight HAD to be the night.
See you
on your return.
jo
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>on
the road to wichita,
>
Patricia. That picture is incredible. Please.
Some information about it.
Sure,
on the road to Witchita, but more please. Camera, film,( filters?).
Stunning.
j grant
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DCardKJHS
wrote:
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> RARA-AVIS, the hard-boiled fiction list,
sent me browsing through gifs of old
>
paperback covers from the 40's and 50's.
I stumbled on the 1958 Signet
>
edition of OTR and some bio about the artist, Barye Phillips. For those
>
interested:
>
>
www.ils.unc.edu/rarebooks/phillips.html
which will send you to
>
>
www.ils.unc.edu/rarebooks/barye1b.gif
(the OTR cover)
>
> 3
more days of school....then Christmas vacation!!!!
>
Dennis
Who is
Barye Phillips? Sorry if that sounds
like an ignorant question,
but i
really don't know.
eric
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If
you're in a good festive seasonal mood you should read Willaim =
Burroughs'
hilarious "Junky's Christmas" =
http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/online/beatgen/junkxmas.htm
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The
other week there were some posts about music influenced by Beats. I =
didn't
get to read all the posts, but I would imagine that Ramblin' Jack =
Elliott's
1980 record KEROUAC'S LAST DREAM wasn't mentioned. It was =
never
published in the country that 99 % of this list's members live in. =
It was
recently released on CD, and at first
it appears to be a =
completely
traditional folk record by the man who bridged the gap =
between
Woody Guthrie and Bob Dylan. Indeed in among half a dozen trad =
songs
are three songs by Guthrie and two by Dylan.=20
But the
last two items on the 70-minute disc are the only two songs =
Elliott
ever wrote, one of which is titled "912 GREENS". It is a =
10-minute
sort of spontaneous autobiographical talking blues about a =
road
trip the singer made down south to Frank Hamilton & Guy Carawan's =
uncle.
Somewhere along the way in Mexico Jack suddenly finds a chair =
carved
out of Mexican wood and he just knows
that the other Jack sat =
in that
chair a month ago so he sits down in
that chair and composes =
this
ballad about Jack Kerouac.=20
At the
end of the talking blues Elliott starts to sing a few lines, but =
that's
all - thank god !
If you
ever thought Bob Dylan couldn't sing you should listen to =
Ramblin'
Jack Elliott...
Jim
Musselman's the owner of Appleseed Records says in the notes : "let =
us lift
a glass and toast the old songs that say so much, while =
honouring
the spirit of Jack Kerouac, Alan Ginsberg, Cisco Houston, =
Woody
Guthrie and the road."
Cheers
Jens
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>Hi,
is anyone willing to share their views on what makes someone/a group
>"counterculture",
not only in the context of the 1960s but also in
>today's
>world?
very easy... the majority of folks have
natures which require
stability,
normalism, schedules, organization, etc. to be comfortable
and
happy, J's if you're keen on Myers-Briggs Type Indicator... any
group
that, intentionally or not, goes against the current of a
contemporary
culture is deemed counterculture, and generally has
negative
connotations... america is a special case of course, two
polarities
on the MBTI scale are S, which is Sensing, and N, which is
Intuitive..
very obscurely they refer to how folks gather and use
information..
sensory folks are, in a black and white definition of the
two,
naturally disposed to realism and hands-on sensory-based
interaction
with their environment, while intuitives live largely in
their
heads and are naturally disposed to abstraction. the cliches
that
apply are that S's have both feet planted firmly on the ground and
that N's are dreamers and have their heads in the
clouds.. this of
course
is a generalization, but i can only explain so much right
here...
America is the only country in which S's and N's dislike each
other...
which is a root of many social problems we experience... an
epidemic
that taints all areas of our lives, the american obsession
with
right and wrong.. a country that says they are they most tolerant,
most
open-minded, most sexually free and self-loving, but which, in
reality,
are filled with sexual angst, an unhealthy obsession with
idealism,
a hate for others who don't think the way their group does,
and
self-loathing... the country of hypocrasy... the collective thought
process
is one of the spiteful adolescent.. this may all be a function
of
collective thinking and not individual thinking... but america is,
again
despite what it claims, ultra-conformist, in the most disgusting,
happiness-killing
sense of the word. any
"subculture" that does not
play
along with the facade is prime fodder for the counterculture label
because
it reminds everyone that our established perceptions of our
individual
selves and our culture as a whole are bullshit, plain and
simple. there is a reason, afterall, for a
resurgence of cynicism in
america's
contemplative young, unfortunately it usually manifests
itself
in forms of egotism and an elevated sense of importance through
intellectualism,
again unhealthy perceptions. another
example of
american
hypocrasy is the blatant fact that, even more now than ever,
we
preach many planks of the communist platform we've fought so
vigilantly
against in the latter half of this century.
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Gee, I
always thought Elliott had the edge over Dylan when it came to a singing
voice -- but not by very much! I've been listening to Elliott recently and
I
wondered
why Elliott wasn't more popular in the early 1960s. So much of early
Dylan
was influenced by Elliott as well as Woody.
Of course, Bob was a songwri
ter and
I'm sure that had something to do with it.
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jo
grant wrote:
>
>
>on the road to wichita,
>
>
> Patricia. That picture is incredible.
Please. Some information about it.
>
Sure, on the road to Witchita, but more please. Camera, film,( filters?).
>
>
Stunning.
>
> j
grant
>
Jo,
antonia,
the
picture is a scan of a Much more impressive photo that John Myers
has. He
took a video during a trip with william, several of the guys
were
along. and he caught a moment in the
car, they took the image from
video
to photo, It is all one of reflections.
I believe the colors are
reflections
from the sky and the flint hills, I
loved it, i had just a
moment
to scan a copy before john left for belize. John lives in belize
on his
boat during the winters. I have been
considering making some
lawrence
postcards of some of the lawrence beat pictures up for
marketing.
there is something in the photo that hits my mark.. I believe
either
James or Wayne propst has the original video.
patricia
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greetings
everyone
just
out of curiosity(bad speller)
have
any of you heard of the book Electric Kool Aid Acid Test?
if you
have could you tell me the author and a summary?
thanx
seAn
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sean
ewll
_the electric kool-aid acid test" is by Tom Wolfe who also write
"the
tangerine kolored streamlined baby" and "the right stuff" and
piles
of
other stuff and is his (new journalism?see also -0hunter thompson's
early
book _hells angels_ before the gonzo struck...) account of
interviews
and
general
hanging out with the scene in the early mid-sixties scene of san
fran
(think: ken kesy's merry pranksters, the acid tests, neal cassady,
the
grateful dead, hell's angels, haight-ashbury and the whole scene
before
it all exploded in a frenzy of media explotation...) as far as i
remmeber
kesey wasnt too pleased with his protrayal in that novel, but
with
the release of that book and kesey's own _one flew over the
cuckoo's
nest_ things really got going for key-z...
great
book.
read
it.
and
then read kesey and other accounts of the haight at the time...
yrs
derek
beaulieu
On Tue,
16 Dec 1997, KRUMMX wrote:
>
greetings everyone
>
just out of curiosity(bad speller)
>
have any of you heard of the book Electric Kool Aid Acid Test?
> if
you have could you tell me the author and a summary?
>
thanx
>
seAn
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Bill
Gargan wrote:
>
>
Gee, I always thought Elliott had the edge over Dylan when it came to a
singing
> voice -- but not by very much! I've been listening to Elliott recently and
I
>
wondered why Elliott wasn't more popular in the early 1960s. So much of early
>
Dylan was influenced by Elliott as well as Woody. Of course, Bob was a
songwri
>
ter and I'm sure that had something to do with it.
even
with a better voice Elliott did not sing the elite intellectual
eastcoast
ten-part harmony type of folk music. he
definitely would have
been
considered hillbilly music by a lot of folk folks where the market
was
developing by the 60s.
just a
guess,
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Koch wrote:
>
> If
you're in a good festive seasonal mood you should read Willaim Burroughs'
hilarious "Junky's Christmas"
http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/online/beatgen
>
Jens
or listen
to it on "Spare Ass Annie" cd....(i think i was married to old
annie!)
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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M.K.
wrote:
>=20
>
Hi, is anyone willing to share their views on what makes someone/a grou=
p
>
"counterculture", not only in the context of the 1960s but also in
toda=
y's
>
world?
>=20
>
Just why were the Beats deemed as "counterculture"? Did they think of
>
themselves that way (did any of the Beats explicitly call themselves th=
at)
> or
was this merely the media/society's view of them?
>=20
> I
hope my questions make sense.
>=20
>
Thanks,
>
Sharon Ngiam.
i
discuss it in my round about way in the following out of "Firewalk
thru
Madness" copyright 1992
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
November
12th 1992.... typed (Eulogy for the Dead Poetry Professor in
all of
us) . ..
(Eulogy
for the Dead Poetry Professor in all of us) ...=20
Poetry
-- -- -- the art of glimpsing into the aleph ...the infinity and
nothingness
of the unconsciousness and tapping into the streams of
consciousness
... rivers of images ... oceans of ideas ... symbols -
pictures
- art ... POETRY ... free associating between unconscious
symbology
like in a dream but your conscious mind is there too .. .
conscious
and unconscious together joined in the poetic instant --
reflexive
-- instantaneous -- connections .... of images and ideas.
And it
isn=92t found in dusty books ...You might find it there, but it=92=
s
in life
... it IS life, being in and out of existence at the same time
the
connection of the images of the=20
you <in time and
space>
with the
images of=20
you <from the self
<<that
lies outside those dimensions>>
>
and in
the poetic instant -- life is real ... not plastic .... And it=92s
about
the truth ..... !
=93What
is the poetry about?=94 the worn English professor asks the wild
eyed
freshman. The professor was too worn to
see the fire in the
student=92s
eyes. After years of neglect his poetic
instinct was
tarnished....in
hibernation. he was happy if he got
students to get
beyond
the notion that =93poetry is something that rhymes=94.
But the
wild eyed student glared at the worn professor angry for not
being
noticed and he replied with what he felt was real:
=93Poetry
is about the truth!=94 he exclaimed.
=93You
can=92t say it=92s rational. It
doesn=92t follow the linear reaso=
ning of
philosophical
or scientific thought. Unlike
mathematics poetry is the
belief
that 1,7,4,9,8,3,4 is as logical -- or sensible -- a sequence as
1,2,3,4,5,6,7.....=94
The
professor looks into the student=92s eyes into the fire of truth ...
laughs
insanely ... and dies of a heartattack.
At
least he died in a poetic instant, a poetic moment, the shock of
reconnecting
with the place where the poetry is -- that space between
time
and time between space -- where art resides, where the truth is
visible
outside this plastic world.....
-- the
shock -- it was too much for the old man thought the wild eyed
student. And then he laughed and he laughed and the
other students
stared
and they stared. =20
And the
senior class President asked =93What are you laughing about ? --
you
wild eyed boy !!!=94=20
And the
boy said: =93He answered his own question.=94
The
Class President stared at him.....the rest of the class stared at
him.
=20
=93:Don=92t
you get it. He=92s been wanting to know
what poetry=92s
about....He=92s
been asking the same question year after year and he
doesn=92t
find a satisfactory answer ... he doesn=92t find the truth so h=
e
waits
in his office for another semester ... another term ... another
chance
to ask THE QUESTION ... and another term to dismiss their answers
one by
one - - =93
Until I
retire to the study to the office hoping that someone will bring
me the
answer. The waiting. The wait.
That was his life. And finally
somebody
has the guts to answer the question.
What is poetry about?=20
It=92s
about the fucking truth old man. It=92s
about life. It=92s not a=
bout
hiding
in your study year after year while the truth runs wild in the
streets
and hallways. Its about going
places....on your feet ... in
your
mind ... it=92s active.
What is
poetry about? It=92s about seeing
infinity and nothing collapse
into
each other and surviving the vision...the sound...the experience to
share
it with others. And you finally had the
nerve to turn and face
the
answer to see chaos staring back from your bathroom mirror to hear
the
laughter of the abyss rolling like thunder through your ears while
you
strain to listen to Lou Reed talk of friends and death .....
you had
the nerve. ..........and you turned and the streams of
conscious,
the wiring of your mind criss-crossed and you saw: POETRY,
TRUTH
... the space between the lies we all live and you were afraid of
the
vision .... afraid to go back and share it and so you did what so
many of
them do .................. you died.
There
are really only three choices you know.
You can die. You can go
insane. Or you can go back into the cave and help
people to understand
the
truth. The first is the easiest. You took the easy root -- easy
route
old man. At least if you went insane
you might be able to cross
reality
planes with the rest of us and help us keep our balance.
But
death it seems like a real cop out - although I can=92t blame anyone
who
chooses death either by suicide or natural causes. Life can really
wear
you down. =20
So I
don=92t blame you old man for choosing death....And I don=92t blame =
you
for
going nuts. I understand that from
where you=92ve been, your ideas
make
just as much sense as this rational sane society that we find
ourselves
trapped in.
So you
choose to go back to try and share and you=92re sitting at the
table
talking to the student and she=92s not plastic like the rest but
she=92s
seen so little. You wonder if you have
the patience to share all
of this
much longer.
She
asks you =93What is a radical in our culture today?=94 =93Is there a
place
for radicals?=94.....
And you
tell her that you don=92t like the word =93radical.=94 It=92s th=
em
labeling
us. It=92s a label of
domination....Just like insane or mentall=
y
ill. It says you=92re out of the mainstream
of society....And even
though
their river is flowing full of blood not water poison liquids of
culture
flowing through them all gradually forming into the plastic that
surrounds
their lives -- =20
they
like their river.
And
since you see other rivers -- other oceans -- other thoughts and
dreams
you are a threat to the main stream.
The mainstream might not be
the
main one anymore if they see all those other streams all those other
pictures
so they call you a radical. =20
Well what
does it really tell you about me if someone tells you that
=93I=92m
a radical.=94 does it tell you
something like =93I=92m a poet-I=
=92m an
artist-I=92m
a capitalist-a pastor- a doctor-lawyer-dental assistant=94=20
It=92s
just labels trying to define you
Tell you what you are
what you think
Who am
I? I am who I am. I stole that last line from somewhere maybe
a
children=92s
cartoon character or maybe from God, I don=92t remember but =
I
don=92t
think anybody will mind........
=93What=92s
the place for radicals in our culture?=94
Not
much use for them, it seems. But you
need a few now and then just
to
scare people into not changing anything much.
Rebels. Are rebels
the
same as radicals? Can I be radically
non-rebellious?=20
At
least in your dreams, said the psychiatrist.
Just take four lithium
and
call me in the morning.
And
i=92m in the attic now Nearly moved from my cave and as I look out
over
the Mississippi River into Davenport Iowa I wonder what the people
are
thinking in Davenport and I wonder if this is where Kerouac was when
he
realized that God really is Pooh-Bear and ........
Lou
Reed says I want all of it ... not just some of it .... and I pause,
radically,
and wonder ....if I really want all of it, i=92m not even sure
how
much of it I need.......
and
somehow in this attic -- cold air leaking in through the windows it
seems
like I have found it.
What is
poetry about? If you have to ask you
just don=92t get it. And h=
e
shuts
the office door and never returns ...
and the
dream of the wild-eyed boy comes back whenever he slips into the
plastic
places and pushes him back to the place where the poetry is
.....
the nexus, the aleph ....=20
the
truth of infinity and nothing in one poetic moment.
That
instant contains all of it. Explore
that one instant and you will
see it
all .....
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beat-l'ers
OR -
yes you have another choice!
junkie's
xmas was also adapted into a 1/2 hour claymation special direted
in
black and white by zeotrope productions (francis ford coppola's
production
company) and is damned excellent (this aint no california
raison
claymation, folks...)
yrs
derek
On Tue,
16 Dec 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>
Jens Koch wrote:
>
> If you're in a good festive seasonal mood you should read Willaim
Burroughs'
> hilarious "Junky's Christmas"
>
http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/online/beatgen
>
> Jens
>
> or
listen to it on "Spare Ass Annie" cd....(i think i was married to old
>
annie!)
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
>
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I taped
it off IFC last year around this time.
They showed it and
Drugstore
Cowboy back to back. Will make copies
if anyone wants to send
me a
tape. Produced by VH-1 surprise,
surprise.
------------------
Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
kh14586@am.appstate.edu P.O. Box 12149
http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586
Boone, NC 28608
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On Tue,
16 Dec 1997 16:06:21 -0700 Derek A. Beaulieu said:
>beat-l'ers
>OR
- yes you have another choice!
>junkie's
xmas was also adapted into a 1/2 hour claymation special direted
>in
black and white by zeotrope productions (francis ford coppola's
>production
company) and is damned excellent (this aint no california
>raison
claymation, folks...)
>yrs
>derek
>
>On
Tue, 16 Dec 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>>
Jens Koch wrote:
>>
> If you're in a good festive seasonal mood you should read Willaim
>Burroughs'
>> hilarious "Junky's Christmas"
>>
http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/online/beatgen
>>
> Jens
>>
>>
or listen to it on "Spare Ass Annie" cd....(i think i was married to
old
>>
annie!)
>>
>>
david rhaesa
>>
salina, Kansas
>>
>
>******************************************************************
>Derek
Beaulieu
>House
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>#502-728
3rd Ave NW
>Calgary,
Alberta, Canada, T2N 0J1
>ph.
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literary, grammatical & syntactical inhibition" -Jack Kerouac
>******************************************************************
Yes,
it's a wonderful little film. Just the
thing to put you in the Christmas
spirit. I remember a discussion about it on Beat-l
last year. It seemed there
was
some disagreement on what the ending of the film signified.
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Bill
Gargan wrote:
>
> On
Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:06:21 -0700 Derek A. Beaulieu said:
>
>beat-l'ers
>
>OR - yes you have another choice!
>
>junkie's xmas was also adapted into a 1/2 hour claymation special direted
>
>in black and white by zeotrope productions (francis ford coppola's
>
>production company) and is damned excellent (this aint no california
>
>raison claymation, folks...)
>
>yrs
>
>derek
>
>
>
>On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, RACE --- wrote:
>
>> Jens Koch wrote:
>
>> > If you're in a good festive seasonal mood you should read Willaim
>
>Burroughs'
>
>> hilarious "Junky's
Christmas"
>
>>
http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/online/beatgen
>
>> > Jens
>
>>
>
>> or listen to it on "Spare Ass Annie" cd....(i think i was
married to old
>
>> annie!)
>
>>
>
>> david rhaesa
>
>> salina, Kansas
>
>>
>
>
>
>******************************************************************
>
>Derek Beaulieu
>
>House Press (limited ed. chapbooks, prints, etc)
>
>#502-728 3rd Ave NW
>
>Calgary, Alberta, Canada, T2N 0J1
>
>ph. (403)270-4440, fax. 270-9357
>
>"remove literary, grammatical & syntactical inhibition" -Jack
Kerouac
>
>******************************************************************
>
>
Yes, it's a wonderful little film. Just
the thing to put you in the Christmas
>
spirit. I remember a discussion about
it on Beat-l last year. It seemed
there
>
was some disagreement on what the ending of the film signified.
given
the "immaculate fix" recording was played at the memorial service
at the
opera house in Lawrence, it seems there is a little evidence for
one of
those interpretations. i recall sitting
in the opera house
during
the playing of it - staring up at WSB's beak sticking out of the
casket,
hat on top. i thought. well this will settle things now won't
it. if the immaculate fix meant death things
will continue. if the
immaculate
fix meant something else, he'll stand up put on his hat, wave
and
walk off the stage....and that's no Jayhawk lie.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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While
purusing the City Lights site, I came across _The Four Horsemen of
the
Apocalypse_ by William S. Burroughs.
I've never even heard of this
one. Can someone give me some info about it?
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Alex
Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
University
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http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586 Boone, NC 28608
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At
02:58 PM 12/16/97 -0500, Tyson Ouellette wrote:
>>Hi,
is anyone willing to share their views on what makes someone/a group
>>"counterculture",
not only in the context of the 1960s but also in
>>today's
>>world?
>
> very easy... the majority of folks have
natures which require
>stability,
normalism, schedules, organization, etc. to be comfortable
>and
happy, J's if you're keen on Myers-Briggs Type Indicator... any
>group
that, intentionally or not, goes against the current of a
>contemporary
culture is deemed counterculture, and generally has
>negative
connotations... america is a special case of course, two
>polarities
on the MBTI scale are S, which is Sensing, and N, which is
>Intuitive..
very obscurely they refer to how folks gather and use
>information..
sensory folks are, in a black and white definition of the
>two,
naturally disposed to realism and hands-on sensory-based
>interaction
with their environment, while intuitives live largely in
>their
heads and are naturally disposed to abstraction. the cliches
>that
apply are that S's have both feet planted firmly on the ground and
>that N's are dreamers and have their heads in the
clouds.. this of
>course
is a generalization, but i can only explain so much right
>here...
America is the only country in which S's and N's dislike each
>other...
which is a root of many social problems we experience... an
>epidemic
that taints all areas of our lives, the american obsession
>with
right and wrong.. a country that says they are they most tolerant,
>most
open-minded, most sexually free and self-loving, but which, in
>reality,
are filled with sexual angst, an unhealthy obsession with
>idealism,
a hate for others who don't think the way their group does,
>and
self-loathing... the country of hypocrasy... the collective thought
>process
is one of the spiteful adolescent.. this may all be a function
>of
collective thinking and not individual thinking... but america is,
>again
despite what it claims, ultra-conformist, in the most disgusting,
>happiness-killing
sense of the word. any
"subculture" that does not
>play
along with the facade is prime fodder for the counterculture label
>because
it reminds everyone that our established perceptions of our
>individual
selves and our culture as a whole are bullshit, plain and
>simple. there is a reason, afterall, for a
resurgence of cynicism in
>america's
contemplative young, unfortunately it usually manifests
>itself
in forms of egotism and an elevated sense of importance through
>intellectualism,
again unhealthy perceptions. another
example of
>american
hypocrasy is the blatant fact that, even more now than ever,
>we
preach many planks of the communist platform we've fought so
>vigilantly
against in the latter half of this century.
>
>
Shut
Up!
Mike
Rice
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great
book...author Tom Wolfe. Cassady is
called "speed limit" in the book.
a book
to read every 3 or 4 years so one doesn't forget.
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The
Electric KoolAid Acid Test was written by Tom Wolfe (Bonfire of the
Vanities)
and its about the Ken Kesey(One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) and
the
Merry Pranksters. Its a pretty good book but some parts get sludgy. I
recommend
it to anyone.
~Nancy
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, KRUMMX wrote:
>
greetings everyone
>
just out of curiosity(bad speller)
>
have any of you heard of the book Electric Kool Aid Acid Test?
> if
you have could you tell me the author and a summary?
>
thanx
>
>
seAn
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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Don't
know if these will be on any Xmas lists.
I'm not nearly deep
enough
into the literature to know more than the most famous names.
david
rhaesa
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