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I don't
know what it is about these spicy beef burritos, but I seem to
have
these big revelations when I eat them. As I was munching down this
Hispanic
Culinary Microwavable treat I pondered the expression "Life is
what
you make it". Which for the most part I agree, but at the same time
I
believe you are what life makes you. There are events that occur that
are
beyond you control and as you deal with the situation you grow as a
person.
I guess it goes back to the old envirement vs. heridity
arguement.
Are you a mass of chemical reactions, chromosomes, and
nuerotransmitters?
That's a cold fact I can't bring myself to believe,
of
course that is a part of who we are like it or not, but I like to
think
that we play at least a small part in the shaping of our
personalities.
I would have to describe the human animal as mystical,
trying
not to sound to corny, a mixture of all these chemicals firing
and
flowing and an unexplainable drive and consciousness.
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As I
sit here munching on a spicy beef burrito, I am pondering what it
all
means. What does it all mean? Of course you understand the basics of
nuclear
fussion right? Hydrogen burns into helium, simple enough but did
you
know when a star runs out of hydrogen to burn to keep the fussion
going
it burns the helium. It turns to carbon, that what we are made out
of man,
isn't that a trip? We are all just
pieces of stars burning in
our own
way. Because if you're not burning, in some way or another,
burning
to be alive, burning to love, burning to live, man you are dead.
Life
sucks alot, but without the bad there would be no good or some
cliche
bullshit, you know what I'm talking about. I guess it all goes
back to
what Jack said, nespa?
"The
only people for me are the people who are mad to live, mad to love,
mad to
be
saved....people
who burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman
candles."
That's
life man, don't ever catch yourself saying those common place
things.
Get out there and be alive. Alive. That word has a meaning most
don't
relize. Relize it man.
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Just
wondering if anyone can tell me where these
two
Kerouac pieces come from:
"Not
Long Ago Joy Abounded at Christmas"
"Home
at Christmas"
I've
tried looking through my Kerouac collection
(minus
3-4 that a friend borrowed) and can't
seem to
place these. Are these from _Lonesome
Traveller_
(one of the missing books from my
shelf)?
Thanx,
Mike
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mike...
the two pieces that you were asking about
are included in Kerouac's "Good
Blonde
& Others"...
published
by Grey Fox Press.
john j
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In a
message dated 97-12-27 06:08:55 EST, you write:
Carl
Rogers. A humanist pyschologist
~~~perhaps
his ideas are just a little bit idealistic
It
seems like a pretty hard thing to do
~~~perhaps
because we are incapable of it
he goes
on to say that if you don't have a relationship like this it causes
incongruencies
in your persona (makes you neurotic, bitter, unhappy, shitty.)
~~~i
think this is a tad bit overgeneralistic.....and besides, the people who
are
unhappy, perhaps they would not be this way if not for the rest of society
around
them....that is to say, they are only unhappy because love and
relationships
are constants in this society, among others, and having this
"left
out" feeling causes them to have a sense of brooding depression and
loneliness
they "may or may not" otherwise feel if love and relationships did
not
play such a huge, idealistic or otherwise, role in our society...
I like
to call the way you feel and live while you are in this state "Raw
emotions".
Being real to yourself, but this is very dangerous because it opens
you up.
~~~being
real to yourself, is something, it would appear, that dean moriarty
did in
OTR........he opened himself up, and often times was chastised for it,
even
though his friends were the ones who appeared to get fed up with his
lifestyle......even
at the same time being attracted to him......i don't think
opening
yourself up would necessarily give way to unconditional love and
attachment
in a relationship.....perhaps if we were all to give in to our
innermost
desires, this world would be even more fucked up than it is
already.....and
this can happen in a positive or negative
way.......essentially
we are all the same, but then again, we are not...
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"I
am a simple bhikku searching for all
the answers a can find. Roaming
the
world now I am in Bavaria, Germany."
why did
you have to have this file in an attachment?
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In a
message dated 97-12-27 06:10:31 EST, you write:
<<
People are born with what they have, then, based on their personal
strengths,
or most likely, weaknesses, determine which road to walk down or
fall
down >>
don't
these same socio/economic/environmental situations determine then, what
personal
strengths and weaknesses these same people have? do we have anything
which
we can truly call our own? are people themselves or just constructs? a
tabula
rasa, so to speak?
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In a
message dated 97-12-27 06:14:28 EST, you write:
<<
I would have to describe the human animal as mystical,
trying not to sound to corny, a mixture of
all these chemicals firing
and flowing and an unexplainable drive and
consciousness.
>>
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In a
message dated 97-12-27 06:14:28 EST, you write:
<<
I would have to describe the human animal as mystical,
trying not to sound to corny, a mixture of
all these chemicals firing
and flowing and an unexplainable drive and
consciousness. >>
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for
some off reason, my comp was messing up my email system......so if
everyone
receives something like five replies to the same email without a
response,
it's because no matter what button i pushed, the letter would
automatically
be sent....tis a frustrating thing, really........sorry for any
inconvenience
In a
message dated 97-12-27 06:14:28 EST, you write:
<< I would have to describe the human animal as
mystical, trying not to sound
to
corny, a mixture of all these chemicals firing and flowing and an
unexplainable
drive and consciousness. >>
perhaps
it is something explainable.......who are we to suggest we know all
the
answers concerning our drives and consciousnesses? and howso do you mean
mystical.........explicate
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In a
message dated 97-12-27 06:16:57 EST, you write:
<<
Relize it man >>
i am
sorry to be pointing this out, but spelling is one of my pet
peeves......it
is "realize" and "a lot" and "fusion".......they
may have been
your
excitement building up so much you could not contain your words in a form
to
match your thoughts....but i just had to point that out.....i
apologize....nothing
intended by it...
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hey...as
Mark Twain said..."never trust a man that can't spell a word 3
ways..."
spelling
is for editors...not for writers.
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Dear
all,
my
apologies if my request sounds naive, since I am not really familiar
with
the beat poetry tradition. I am in the midst of writing an M.A.
thesis
about combinatory poetry from the 17th to the 20th century, and it
took me
long until I stumbled over information that Brion Gysin wrote
"permutation
poems" around 1960. This is highly interesting for me, since
it was
the same time when Raymond Queneau wrote his permuting "100.000
Billion
Poems" and when the information theorist Abraham A. Moles
published
his "Manifesto of Permutation Art". You might also be interested
to hear
that the "fold-in" method was prototyped in a novel by Marc
Saporta
which appeared in the early 1960s. It seems like the mutual
influences
on the development of combinatory/permutational literature in
early
1960s France (where I guess Gysin was living at that time) still
needs
to be researched, in case I'm not telling you old stories here.
I took
me quite long to find out about Gysin's "permutation poems" since
Gysin
and Burroughs are not quite considered high cultural/canonical
writers
in European academia, so that even such comprehensive accounts of
permutational
poetry as Ulrich Ernst's "Permutation als Prinzip in der
Lyrik"
("Permutation as a principle in poetry", published in: Poetica,
no.24,
1992) don't mention Gysin's experiments.
Hence
my question: Are Gysin's "permutation poems" published in books? Are
there
any essays or commentaries about them? In the Web, I found
information
that Gysin created these poems with the help of a computer;
however,
the Web page didn't mention the source of this information, so
I'm a
bit suspicious. Did Gysin make any statements about his
permutational
poetry in interviews? ... It seems really difficult
researching
this, since most of Gysin's books are small press and out of
print,
and I guess that the majority of Gysin criticism has been published
in the
underground press.
Any
help in this matter is really appreciated!
Florian
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i must
say that i can identify with the title of your message; i've been
having
the same problem lately.
> I
think this all ties into the feeling of being alive that I love to
>
talk about.
i may
be wrong, but i think that being alive is something that you
should
experience more and talk about less.
Being real to yourself, but this is very
>
dangerous because it opens you up. Makes you vulnerable. What do you
>
think?
there
is nothing wrong with being vulnerable. i mean, you do get hurt,
but at
least you are what you are; you are honest to yourself, and you
know
that you are alive. if it opens you up, it opens you up to
experience.
and, as i understood, that's what you want, isn't it?
>
Experiences like the ones I have been having lately makes you stop and
>
think.
don't
stop. don't think. just do it. use it: write!
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I
pondered the expression "Life is
>
what you make it". Which for the most part I agree, but at the same time
> I
believe you are what life makes you. There are events that occur that
>
are beyond you control and as you deal with the situation you grow as a
>
person.
only at
the conscious level; things, if you noticed, always happen for a
reason.
you may call it destiny if you please, but you may also ascribe
it to
yourself. it is well known that if your attitude towards life is
positive,
so will be the things happening to you. and vice versa. life
IS what
you make of it.
Are you a mass of chemical reactions,
chromosomes, and
>
nuerotransmitters? That's a cold fact I can't bring myself to believe,
> of
course that is a part of who we are like it or not, but I like to
>
think that we play at least a small part in the shaping of our
>
personalities. I would have to describe the human animal as mystical,
>
trying not to sound to corny, a mixture of all these chemicals firing
>
and flowing and an unexplainable drive and consciousness.
>
that's
what, more or less, modern physics says. i suggest that you find
and
read 'the dancing wu-li masters' (i think i spelled it right) by
gary
zukav (not sure about the first name).
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and
besides, the people who
>
are unhappy, perhaps they would not be this way if not for the rest of society
>
around them....
do you
really think so?
this
>
"left out" feeling causes them to have a sense of brooding depression
and
>
loneliness they "may or may not" otherwise feel if love and
relationships did
>
not play such a huge, idealistic or otherwise, role in our society...
>
but,
what if not love? not in the narrowest, romantic sense. from a
certain
point of view, everything can be considered love.
perhaps
if we were all to give in to our
>
innermost desires, this world would be even more fucked up than it is
>
already.....
????
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perhaps it is something explainable.......who are we to suggest we know all
>
the answers concerning our drives and consciousnesses?
as i
look at it, there is no right answer to any question. even
mathematics
has doubts about things that seem obvious. so, we can create
a
theory, about our consciousness, or anything else for that matter, and
if it
works (if it's coherent, as scientists say) it is good enough.
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At
12:10 PM 12/27/97 EST, john j dorfner wrote:
>the
two pieces that you were asking about are included
>in
Kerouac's "Good Blonde & Others"...
Thanx,
one of the books that are on loan. . .
Looked
familiar, but couldn't place them.
Mike
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I
thought someone might get a chuckle out of
this. .
.
>----------
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>Date:
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>To:
Michael Cakebread <cake0570@mach1.wlu.ca>
>Subject:
The Politically correct days of Christmas (fwd)
>The
"Politically Correct" Days of Christmas...
>----------------------------------------------
>On
the 12th day of the Eurocentrically imposed
>midwinter
festival, my Significant Other in a
>consenting
adult, monogamous relationship gave to
>me:
>
>TWELVE
males reclaiming their inner warrior
>through
ritual drumming,
>ELEVEN
pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra
>made
up of members in good standing of the Musicians
>Equity
Union as called for in their union contract
>even
though they will not be asked to play a note),
>TEN
melanin deprived testosterone-poisoned scions
>of
the patriarchal ruling class system leaping,
>NINE
persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression,
>EIGHT
economically disadvantaged female persons stealing >milk-products
from
enslaved Bovine-Americans,
>SEVEN
endangered swans swimming on federally
>protected
wetlands,
>SIX
enslaved Fowl-Americans producing stolen
>non-human
animal products,
>FIVE
golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced
>domestic
incarceration,
>(NOTE:
after members of the Animal Liberation Front
>threatened
to throw red paint at my computer, the
>calling
birds, French hens and partridge have been
>reintroduced
to their native habitat. To avoid further
>Animal-American
enslavement, the remaining gift
>package
has been revised.)
>FOUR
hours of recorded whale songs
>THREE
deconstructionist poets
>TWO
Sierra Club calendars printed on recycled processed
>tree
carcasses
>and...
>ONE
Spotted Owl activist chained to an old-growth pear
>tree.
>Merry
Christmas Happy Chanukah. Good Kwanzaa.
>Blessed
Yule. Oh, heck! Happy Holidays!!!!
(unless
>otherwise
prohibited by law) *
>
>*Unless,
of course, you are suffering from Seasonally
>Affected
Disorder (SAD). If this be the case, please
>substitute
this gratuitous call for celebration with
>suggestion
that you have a thoroughly adequate day.
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We are
planning to sing the first round of Happy Birthdays to Sherri at
Tosca's,
across the street from City Lights this evening at 8:00 p.m.
After
that
you might find us at City Lights or Vesuvios, eating Chinese food,
roaming
about in the neighborhood, then we are off to dance somewhere.
Sweet
marie
will be there, Ann Marie (Anne Murphy) will be there, James
Stauffer
and
myself and any one of you who can join us. We hope some of you can
make
it. Sorry to be so late.
Happy
Birthday Sherri!!
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If you
pop across the street to Prairie Lights tell Paul Joe and Shar Grant
send
him our best.
How
wonderful that you folks are in Iowa City. Wish I were able to drive
over
from Madison.
j grant
>BULLETIN:
>
>We
are planning to sing the first round of Happy Birthdays to Sherri at
>Tosca's,
across the street from City Lights this evening at 8:00 p.m.
>After
that you might find us at City Lights or Vesuvios, eating Chinese food,
>roaming
about in the neighborhood, then we are off to dance somewhere.
>Sweet
marie will be there, Ann Marie (Anne Murphy) will be there, James
>Stauffer
and myself and any one of you who can join us. We hope some of
>you
can
>make
it. Sorry to be so late.
>
>Happy
Birthday Sherri!!
>
>leon
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Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHERRI!
Joe,
we're in San Francisco. Leon said City
Lights Books. any of you Bay
Area
beats who would like to meet Marie whois visiting us or just want an
excuse
to party and touch a couple of Beat haunts, please join us. we'll
meet at
Cafe Tosca for a drink, then hang at Vesuvio, then if we're hungry
probably
grab some cheap pasta at Pasta Pomodoro, then off to find some
dancing
(will be checking the Guardian this afternoon, suggestions welcome).
please
e-mail me if you'll be joining us so we'll know to hang in one place
til you
get there.
and to
everyone - hope you had a wonderful holiday and a most beatific New
Year to
you all.
ciao,
sherri
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Subject:
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHERRI!
>If
you pop across the street to Prairie Lights tell Paul Joe and Shar Grant
>send
him our best.
>
>How
wonderful that you folks are in Iowa City. Wish I were able to drive
>over
from Madison.
>
>j
grant
>
>
>>BULLETIN:
>>
>>We
are planning to sing the first round of Happy Birthdays to Sherri at
>>Tosca's,
across the street from City Lights this evening at 8:00 p.m.
>>After
that you might find us at City Lights or Vesuvios, eating Chinese
food,
>>roaming
about in the neighborhood, then we are off to dance somewhere.
>>Sweet
marie will be there, Ann Marie (Anne Murphy) will be there, James
>>Stauffer
and myself and any one of you who can join us. We hope some of
>>you
can
>>make
it. Sorry to be so late.
>>
>>Happy
Birthday Sherri!!
>>
>>leon
>
>
>
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From:
Kesey and/or Babbs <kenk@efn.org>
To:
"David C. Breithaupt" <moondog@well.com>
Subject:
Re: twister
It's
two days before Christmas
And all
through the hoose
Everything's
stirring
Including
the moose.
The
chocolate bubbling
On the
stove over there
Soon to
be applied
To the
fattening eclair.
Remember
this phrase
And
attempt to fly it:
Eat
drink and make merry
For
tomorrow you may diet.
The
elves jumped for joy
And joy
jumped out the window
Gets
too hot in the kitchen
Plunk
yer butt down in the snow.
There's
nothing every season
You can
think of that's worse
Than
guys like me
Attempting
to make verse.
So just
knock your selfs out
Don't
pay no attention to me
Do
whatever you want
With
verve, grace and excess of glee.
Happy
Holidays and bodacious New Year.
k&k
http://www.intrepidtrips.com
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At
21.25 27/12/97 +0100, Florian Cramer wrote:
>Dear
all,
>
>my
apologies if my request sounds naive, since I am not really familiar
>with
the beat poetry tradition. I am in the midst of writing an M.A.
>thesis
about combinatory poetry from the 17th to the 20th century, and it
>took
me long until I stumbled over information that Brion Gysin wrote
>"permutation
poems" around 1960. This is highly interesting for me, since
>it
was the same time when Raymond Queneau wrote his permuting "100.000
>Billion
Poems" and when the information theorist Abraham A. Moles
>published
his "Manifesto of Permutation Art". You might also be interested
>to
hear that the "fold-in" method was prototyped in a novel by Marc
>Saporta
which appeared in the early 1960s. It seems like the mutual
>influences
on the development of combinatory/permutational literature in
>early
1960s France (where I guess Gysin was living at that time) still
>needs
to be researched, in case I'm not telling you old stories here.
>
>I
took me quite long to find out about Gysin's "permutation poems"
since
>Gysin
and Burroughs are not quite considered high cultural/canonical
>writers
in European academia, so that even such comprehensive accounts of
>permutational
poetry as Ulrich Ernst's "Permutation als Prinzip in der
>Lyrik"
("Permutation as a principle in poetry", published in: Poetica,
>no.24,
1992) don't mention Gysin's experiments.
>
>Hence
my question: Are Gysin's "permutation poems" published in books? Are
>there
any essays or commentaries about them? In the Web, I found
>information
that Gysin created these poems with the help of a computer;
>however,
the Web page didn't mention the source of this information, so
>I'm
a bit suspicious. Did Gysin make any statements about his
>permutational
poetry in interviews? ... It seems really difficult
>researching
this, since most of Gysin's books are small press and out of
>print,
and I guess that the majority of Gysin criticism has been published
>in
the underground press.
>
>Any
help in this matter is really appreciated!
>
>Florian
>
dear
Florian.
u are
right Brion Gysin really made use of the computer
with
the help of Ian Sommerville, the performance
"The
Permuted Poems of Bryon Gysin" was aired by the
BBC but
the audience rate was very low (the 2th worst score in
the
history of the BBC).
[Nothing
Here Now But The Recordings (1959-1980)
LP IR 0016
''Industrial Records'' Rough Trade,
137
Blenheim Crescent, London W11, England.]
&
it's possible that some tapes are in the
"Burroughs
Communication Center" at Lawrence,Kansas.
i hope
this help & other friends maybe can add
further
info,
r.
---
Brion
Gysin interviewed:
Devo
confessare che i documenti piu' avventurosi sono stati
realizzati
con vetusti Revere e con scatoline giapponesi da
100 $
con cui facevamo gli stupidi, William, Ian Sommerville
ed io.
Affrofittai delle sovvenzioni BBC per realizzare con
loro
una serie di poesie sonore. Tecnicamente non si discutono
,certo.
In principio m'era parso di capire che avrei avuto a
disposizione
una settimana; salto' fuori poi che erano tre
giorni
soltanto, cosi' nella fretta alla fine cominciai a
spezzettare
un testo parlato- mi pare fosse la spiegazione di
come
funziona il lavoro in cut-up, Cut-ups Self Explained- e
lo feci
passare parecchie volte nella strumentazione elettronica.
Approdai
sul nastro a parole del tutto nuove, mai pronunciate
scientemente
da me e da altri. L'esperimento fu subito ritirato
perche'...
il tempo era finito e Loro erano un po' alterati,
anzi
decisamente malpresi per i risultati che saltavano fuori
dagli
altoparlanti; non furono poco contenti di darci un taglio.
"Beh,
che si aspettavano? Un coro di cherubini con le imbeccate
sulla
Borsa?"--William Burroughs.
"The
Permutated Poems of Brion Gysin" (riversato al computer da
Ian Sommerville) fu trasmesso dalla BBC, per
la produzione di
Douglas
Cleverson.(Il secondo peggior indice di gradimento fatto
registrare).
sono reperibili alcuni dei primi esperimenti di
Cut-Up
su nastro: Nothing Here Now But The Recordings (1959-1980)
LP IR
0016 reperibile nel catalogo ''Industrial Records'' Rough
Trade,
137 Blenheim Crescent, London W11, England.
---
saluti
Rinaldo.
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writes:
>>i
ask you, for my vanity, if the 23
>Both,
I think. I came across numerous 23 synchronicities before being made
>aware
of the Burroughs connexion, so the fact that WSB was also aware of
>these
is just further synchronicity. Eleven . . . also a prime number, but
>not
as interesting from a kabbalistic perspective as 23. And see Psalm 23 .
Dear
Luther and others,
the
William S. Burrough's interest for the number 23
as
prime number is anticipated by the italian futuristic
performer
Filippo Tommaso Marinetti (1876-1944). Marinetti
has for
him the magic numer 11 (eleven).
saluti,
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>Joe,
we're in San Francisco.
Of
course. I saw City Lights, but was thinking Prairie Lights. Got carried
away.
Happy
everything out there.
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In a
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<<
hey...as Mark Twain said..."never trust a man that can't spell a word 3
ways..."
spelling is for editors...not for writers.
>>
very
very true......point taken......
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In a
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<<
and besides, the people who
> are unhappy, perhaps they would not be
this way if not for the rest of
society
> around them....
do you really think so?
~~~it's
only a theory....not one i particularly hold too much stock in, but
nonetheless,
a suggestion i have considered....i have seen a lot of people who
react
according to the rest of the pack, whether it be with them or against
them....and
i have seen friends and family who become seriously ill as a
result
of wanting too hard to be accepted by a society they believe has set
standards
of what a person should be.....but by no means would i generalize
this
statement for everyone....
this
> "left out" feeling causes them
to have a sense of brooding depression and
> loneliness they "may or may
not" otherwise feel if love and relationships
did
> not play such a huge, idealistic or
otherwise, role in our society...
>
but, what if not love? not in the narrowest,
romantic sense. from a
certain point of view, everything can be
considered love.
~~~from
a certain point of view.....sorta like the statement i suppose, "some
things
done out of love are beyond good and evil".....but if you can say that
everything
can be considered love from one perspective, you could easily turn
it
around, and say everything is done out of selfishness
perhaps if we were all to give in to our
> innermost desires, this world would be
even more fucked up than it is
> already.....
????
~~~meaning,
if we stopped limiting ourselves.....(which some, not all of us
do)....stop
checking out innermost selves at the door, in the name or morality
or all
else, perhaps, perhaps our society or our world would be more
anarchist...and
not necessarily in a political or negative fashion....perhaps
more
love would be shown, you know the facade(if it exists) of machoism would
be let
down...more emotions could be revealed.....or perhaps we would have a
million
more neal cassadys in the world....or perhaps not....you never
know.....if
every man and woman on this planet for one day, unlocked these
man-made
doors constructed by physical boundaries, religion, morality,
etc......and
just went above it all, transcendance, whatever you would like to
call
it......and just did absolutely what they wanted to, then we would have a
truly
curious and mysterious and beautifully odd world.....
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How
Poetry Comes to Me by Gary
Snyder
It
comes blundering over the
Boulders
at night, it stays
Frightened
outside the
Range
of my campfire
I go to
meet it at the
Edge of
the light
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Kerouac's
reputation and acceptance as an important writer continues to
spread
around the world. He is now been
translated into two additional
languages
- Turkish and Hebrew.
The
books are:
Yolda
(On The Road) published in Istanbul by Kiyi
ha-Hatranim
(The Subterraneans) published in Tel Aviv by Geranim
Irving
Leif
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Michael,
I
received your post about "Sunlight Dies With The Roses" but my mail
to
you is
bouncing. Any ideas?
Glenn
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This
thread involves the peculiarities of existence finishing Maggie
Cassidy
and beginning Satori in Paris while spending the holidays in
Phoenix.
OR
It's
just a way of saying hello to friends around here and there.
The
flight here i was reading Maggie C. but two rows back some young kid
was
reading the compleat works of Rimbaud and coincidentally or not the
guy
sitting next to him went into some sort of overdose coma and came
out to
try and light a cigarette (which i could definitely relate to)
and was
stopped and then passed out and then the call for medical folks
and
gadgets and junk connected to him which pretty much meant that the
rest of
us were not only excluded from our nicotine doses but also had
to wait
extra extra long to get our caffeine infusions. But it was a
rather
decent distraction.
So ----
sitting in Mesa (not actually IN Phoenix --- but close to it)
and I
finally says to myself i need an infusion of Beat-L mania and so
while
listening to Clapton UnPlugged nobody knows you when you're down
and out
(in Paris or London or Phoenix) I hit a few buttons and must've
hit
Some of the right ones cuz i'm here again ((((at least i think i
am)))))
so did
i miss anything while i was incommunicado?
david
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Buona
giornata a tutti,
at the
right moment, in Italy is out (september 97)
an
abridged edition of "Jack Kerouac-Selected Letters 1040-1959)"
(c)
1995 the Estate of stella Kerouac, John Sampas,
Literary
Representative. Notes copyright (c) Ann Charters,1995
the
italian named Jack Kerouac "Letter dalla Beat Generation",
translated
by Silvia Piraccini,
published
by Arnoldo Mondadori Editore S.p.A. Milano
(a
Silvio Berlusconi's publishing house).
Luckily
the book is a paperback edition (lire italiane 9000
value
approximately 3 $).
Info on
Internet
http://www.mondadori.com/libri
saluti,
Rinaldo.
--------
At
14.55 28/12/97 -0600, Irving Leif <ileif@IX.NETCOM.COM> wrote:
>Kerouac's
reputation and acceptance as an important writer continues to
>spread
around the world. He is now been
translated into two additional
>languages
- Turkish and Hebrew.
>
>The
books are:
>
>Yolda
(On The Road) published in Istanbul by Kiyi
>
>ha-Hatranim
(The Subterraneans) published in Tel Aviv by Geranim
>
>
>Irving
Leif
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Jim
Rhaesa wrote:
>
>
This thread involves the peculiarities of existence finishing Maggie
>
Cassidy and beginning Satori in Paris while spending the holidays in
>
Phoenix.
>
> OR
>
>
It's just a way of saying hello to friends around here and there.
>
yes you
did, great to hear fromyou, happy monday. I was almost silehnt
patricia
>
> so
did i miss anything while i was incommunicado?
>
>
david rhaesa (race)
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RACE wrote:
>
>
This thread involves the peculiarities of existence finishing Maggie
>
Cassidy and beginning Satori in Paris while spending the holidays in
>
Phoenix.
It has
been very quiet here on the beat-l.
What did Maggie Cassidy have
to say
to you about the peculiarities of existence?
DC
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patricia
wrote:
>Jim
Rhaesa wrote:
>>
>>
This thread involves the peculiarities of existence finishing Maggie
>>
Cassidy and beginning Satori in Paris while spending the holidays in
>>
Phoenix.
>>
>>
OR
>>
>>
It's just a way of saying hello to friends around here and there.
>>
>yes
you did, great to hear fromyou, happy monday. I was almost silehnt
>patricia
>>
>>
so did i miss anything while i was incommunicado?
>>
>>
david rhaesa (race)
>
-
-
-
-
-odetosatori- -yr white pointed shoes-
just now the- -you are eating spaghetti
take away re- in the midnite on the boat
staurant chi- -yr wind yr wind
nese in fron- -the sky u never NEVER u'll see
t of my wind- -an old car
ow has light- -a new car
on red lante- -
rns swaying - -
cuz the wind- -
29 december -
-poesy is over for u
after noon m- -
y mind is my- -a prayer
body my brai- -how many diabetics on
n an electri- the autumnal parking lot
c transforme- one hundred!
r blades of - -electric sound in yr
copper wrapp- mind my brother
ed day after- -every day so tiny
day after da- -
y cut! born!- -no one scream
dead! i'm li- -electric stream
stening the - -7 seven days
radio & look- -
ing at the s- -
ky a bit fog- .
gy the-
day is-
hardly-
over t-
he rad-
io tel-
ls who-
i am w-
hooo i-
am
-
da-
y -
af-
te-
r -
da-
y -
-
-
-
cos'altro
si puo' dire alla fine di una
giornata
invernale? le ombre della nott
e
stanno gia' avvicinandosi, cos'e' un
satori
a parigi, a londra, a phoenix, o
qui a
mestre the cyber venicesque other
side of
the moon world?
-
-
-
r
i
n
a
l
d
o
-
-
-
beat
heart beat heart beat heart beat heart
-
-
-
SCREEEEEEEAMM!
ode to-day ODE TO-DAY!
-
-
THE
E L E C
T R I C
T R A N
S F O R M E R
-
-
-
is well
working in the factory
-
-
-
a
tribute to d.r.
-
-
-
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on a
chill wind day,
mourning
as a way to weave mortality and time.
i hear
rinaldos voice,
beacon
to encourage my provincial dance
on
cosmopolition
streets.
poems
drip from his nose,
odes
from his toes,
prose
swim in his irises
his tom
sawyer voice
yelling
come jump in the river
listen
to this.
tribute
to rinaldo
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hey
there all beat-ls
i
haven't had the time to write much, but would like to tell you all
happy
new year and a damned fine good one it should all be! leon has
been
showing me the sights, and sherri's birthday party atnorth beach
was a
blast, the redwoods, the salvation army thrift store where i
bought
my dr sax raincoat, all so much happening. even went on my first
roller
coaster ride in my life ALONE!!!
i'm
journaling like mad, hoping in a few weeeks after return to have
some
interesting things to write. for now, old fashioned fountain pen
and
notebook loggin all thoughts and adventures.
mc
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Rinaldo,
Thank you
greatly for this info and for being so kind to bring it to my
attention.
This is important for my ongoing work on a new bibliography.
Irving
At
04:04 PM 12/29/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Buona
giornata a tutti,
>
>at
the right moment, in Italy is out (september 97)
>an
abridged edition of "Jack Kerouac-Selected Letters 1040-1959)"
>(c)
1995 the Estate of stella Kerouac, John Sampas,
>Literary
Representative. Notes copyright (c) Ann Charters,1995
>
>the
italian named Jack Kerouac "Letter dalla Beat Generation",
>translated
by Silvia Piraccini,
>published
by Arnoldo Mondadori Editore S.p.A. Milano
>(a
Silvio Berlusconi's publishing house).
>Luckily
the book is a paperback edition (lire italiane 9000
>value
approximately 3 $).
>Info
on Internet
>http://www.mondadori.com/libri
>
>saluti,
>Rinaldo.
>--------
>At
14.55 28/12/97 -0600, Irving Leif <ileif@IX.NETCOM.COM> wrote:
>>Kerouac's
reputation and acceptance as an important writer continues to
>>spread
around the world. He is now been
translated into two additional
>>languages
- Turkish and Hebrew.
>>
>>The
books are:
>>
>>Yolda
(On The Road) published in Istanbul by Kiyi
>>
>>ha-Hatranim
(The Subterraneans) published in Tel Aviv by Geranim
>>
>>
>>Irving
Leif
>
>
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Hey
Race
Sounds like one of my flights!
Hope the satori was good. Gotta
take em
where you find em!
GT
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GTL1951
wrote:
>
Hey Race
> Sounds like one of my flights!
Hope the satori was good. Gotta
>
take em where you find em!
> GT
the
flight crew was damn amusing. so
worried about liability that they're
hopping
around like headless chickens.
Phoenix
is a warm and wonderful place where cactus grow three thousand feet in
the
air.
Satori
is always good.
david
rhaesa
in mesa
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marie
countyman wrote:
>
hey there all beat-ls
>
the salvation army thrift store where i
>
bought my dr sax raincoat,
HEY! I think that's my missing Raincoat!!!
david
rhaesa
in mesa
>
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Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
his tom sawyer voice
>
yelling come jump in the river
>
listen to this.
i'll be
huck and we can go to our funerals together
david
rhaesa
in mesa
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Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
patricia wrote:
>
>Jim Rhaesa wrote:
>
>>
>
>> This thread involves the peculiarities of existence finishing Maggie
>
>> Cassidy and beginning Satori in Paris while spending the holidays in
>
>> Phoenix.
>
>>
>
>> OR
>
>>
>
>> It's just a way of saying hello to friends around here and there.
>
>>
>
>yes you did, great to hear fromyou, happy monday. I was almost silehnt
>
>patricia
>
>>
>
>> so did i miss anything while i was incommunicado?
>
>>
>
>> david rhaesa (race)
>
>
> -
> -
> -
> -
> -odetosatori- -yr white pointed shoes-
> just now the- -you are eating spaghetti
> take away re- in the midnite on the boat
> staurant chi- -yr wind yr wind
> nese in fron- -the sky u never NEVER u'll see
> t of my wind- -an old car
> ow has light- -a new car
> on red lante- -
> rns swaying - -
> cuz the wind- -
> 29 december - -poesy is over for u
> after noon m- -
> y mind is my- -a prayer
> body my brai- -how many diabetics on
> n an electri- the autumnal parking lot
> c transforme- one hundred!
> r blades of - -electric sound in yr
> copper wrapp- mind my brother
> ed day after- -every day so tiny
> day after da- -
> y cut! born!- -no one scream
> dead! i'm li- -electric stream
> stening the - -7 seven days
> radio & look- -
> ing at the s- -
> ky a bit fog- .
> gy the-
> day is-
> hardly-
> over t-
> he rad-
> io tel-
> ls who-
> i am w-
> hooo i-
> am
-
> da-
> y -
> af-
> te-
> r -
> da-
> y -
> -
> -
> -
>
cos'altro si puo' dire alla fine di una
>
giornata invernale? le ombre della nott
> e
stanno gia' avvicinandosi, cos'e' un
>
satori a parigi, a londra, a phoenix, o
>
qui a mestre the cyber venicesque other
>
side of the moon world?
> -
> -
> -
> r
> i
> n
> a
> l
> d
> o
> -
> -
> -
>
beat heart beat heart beat heart beat heart
> -
> -
> -
>
SCREEEEEEEAMM! ode to-day ODE
TO-DAY!
> -
> -
> THE
> E
L E C T R I C
> T
R A N S F O R M E R
> -
> -
> -
> is
well working in the factory
> -
> -
> -
> a
tribute to d.r.
> -
> -
> -
wonderfulbeautifulloveitmagnificantspinsmysynapsesgottaloveyourwordskeepontyping
gogogo
david
rhaesa
in mesa
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i'm
lost. what exactly is satori that it's so great? i thought it was just a
book or
something. anyone care to enlighten me?
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nothing
and nobody in life are a sure thing.
david
rhaesa
in mesa
Diane
Carter wrote:
>
> RACE wrote:
>
>
>
> This thread involves the peculiarities of existence finishing Maggie
>
> Cassidy and beginning Satori in Paris while spending the holidays in
>
> Phoenix.
>
> It
has been very quiet here on the beat-l.
What did Maggie Cassidy have
> to
say to you about the peculiarities of existence?
> DC
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Michael,
Neither
of your email addresses work. Keep bouncing.
Yes, go
ahead, use "Sunlight Dies With The Roses" as you wish. I look
forward
to seeing the end result. Checked out your site. Looks like it'll
be a
good one.
Glenn.
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If at all
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Aeronwytru
wrote:
>
i'm lost. what exactly is satori that it's so great? i thought it was just a
>
book or something. anyone care to enlighten me?
"Somewhere
during my ten days in Paris (AND Brittany) [and could easily have
been
Phoenix AND Mesa] I received an illumination of some kind that seems to've
changed
me again, towards what I suppose'll be my pattern for another seven
years
or more: a SATORI: the Japanese word for 'sudden illumination,' 'sudden
awakening'
or simply 'kick in the eye.' Whatever, something
DID happen and in
my
first reveries after the trip and I'm back home regrouping ...." Jack
Kerouac,
Satori in Paris, p.1
Can't
enlighten ya further - better to find out for yerself. Experience your
own
satori and tell us all how it smelled!
So does
anyone have insight on the difference between satori as used here and
epiphany
as used elsewhere?
david
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in my
Oxford Dictionary epiphany involves the appearance of a god or
demi-god. satori either doesn't involve any gods or
may, but doesn't have
to. depends on which form of Buddhism, i
suppose.
ciao,
sherri
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>Aeronwytru
wrote:
>
>>
i'm lost. what exactly is satori that it's so great? i thought it was
just a
>>
book or something. anyone care to enlighten me?
>
>"Somewhere
during my ten days in Paris (AND Brittany) [and could easily
have
>been
Phoenix AND Mesa] I received an illumination of some kind that seems
to've
>changed
me again, towards what I suppose'll be my pattern for another seven
>years
or more: a SATORI: the Japanese word for 'sudden illumination,'
'sudden
>awakening'
or simply 'kick in the eye.' Whatever,
something DID happen and
in
>my
first reveries after the trip and I'm back home regrouping ...." Jack
>Kerouac,
Satori in Paris, p.1
>
>Can't
enlighten ya further - better to find out for yerself. Experience
your
>own
satori and tell us all how it smelled!
>
>So
does anyone have insight on the difference between satori as used here
and
>epiphany
as used elsewhere?
>
>david
>
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Hi. I'm new to the list and probably shouldn't
be posting until I sit and
read
letters for a few days but I'm posting nonetheless. I've read Jack
and
loved him but what spurred me to join a mailing list was this show I
caught
in Seattle: "Kerouac: The Essence
of Jack." Probably some of you
have
seen it and know what I'm talking about.
Vincent Balestri performs
this
one-man show where he plays Jack and *IS* Jack. I'm not going to
be
unpurposefully redundant in telling you all about it because it's
probably
already been discussed here. But I was
amazed and mesmerized
and it
was the best live theater thing I have ever seen in my life.
So I'm
glad there's a mailing list for this and so far I've read really
great
things and I'm looking forward to reading even more. :)
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Race wrote:
>
> so
did i miss anything while i was incommunicado?
>
>
David
Missed
almost nothing as far as I can tell--but then I was incommunicado for
a long
time to. Good to have you back, and
with a recent satori--even
better. Just make sure you eat the right cactus!
James
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"Beat
Zen" is something that we all I think need to watch out for. It's
wonderful
that Kerouac and Gary Snyder and Alan Watts and all those brilliant
poetic
angels with Western origins developed a penchant for Buddhism,
especially
Zen..but I think there was a huge gap inherent in this Beat Zen
(especially
in Kerouac's arena), and we should all exercise caution when
throwing
around our Zen Buddhist phrases. Thru
Time Zen monks in the Far East
have
practiced, studied sutras, and gone half-mad on the path to experiencing
bodhi,
or satori, or enlightenment (and Gautama Buddha himself, well we know
what
ordeals preceded his "satori") and these are people whose lives were
wholly
devoted to the experience of their Buddhism, down to the last teacup.
It's
fantastic to experience insights into our own lives, especially when on
the
road, and I give props to all who see deeper into themselves, I give holy
praises
(to people like this cat who just got back...name David?)because we
all
should be feeling insights into where and who and why we are...but I just
feel
and have felt for a while that Kerouac's use of the word satori should
perhaps
be taken lightly, more lightly perhaps than D.T. Suzuki's (or another
East-West
Zen master's ) use of the word. I am in
love with Kerouac's
writings
but I still feel a bit cynical about his Zen...partly because I know
that
I'm constantly equating myself and my own situations to Jack's (regarding
his
thoughts on Zen), and I feel that the Zen about which he wrote and which
he
experienced, and which I often believe to experience, is, i don't
know...there's
some dualism which shouldn't be there, some lack of humility,
something
entirely too Western and empty, or perhaps not empty enough.
A.C.
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...
<<Ah
love is so sweet in the Spring time,>>
Jeanette McDonald sang
three decades ago
on marble balustrade in giant darkness
downtown Paterson Fabian Theater
balcony
I wept, How soft flesh is-
Watching
boyish Ronald Reagan
emote
his shadow
across the 'Thirties
Same black vastness
pierced
by
emotion
melancholy toward the stars-
Political
planets whirling round the Sun,
...
a
fragment by Allen Ginsberg, IRON HORSE, 22-23th july 1966.
the
above fragment from IRON HORSE is nice as a back to
the
future plot where Ginsberg in the Fabian (leftist society)
weeps
for the future political planet of ronald reagan (the
'81-'89
Us of America president)
saluti,
Rinaldo
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seems
like what your saying here might make a bit of sense. least something to
dream
about a bit over my morning coffee as my brother's cats -- precious and
bob-cat
fondle my legs. Wondering if you find
"any" Western uses of Zen phrases
reasonable. I have to say I feel an uneasiness squirm in
my stomach at the
number
of
"zenishistic" books at the Mall bookstores of America and think of
the vast
uses
and misuses of phrases and words in a viral departure from traditional
meanings.
VegasDaddy
wrote:
>
"Beat Zen" is something that we all I think need to watch out
for. It's
>
wonderful that Kerouac and Gary Snyder and Alan Watts and all those brilliant
>
poetic angels with Western origins developed a penchant for Buddhism,
>
especially Zen.
I think
that my penchant probably began with Watts but I found more interesting
accounts
in the writings of Blyth, Herrigel(sp?), and Suzuki. While i didn't
bring
it on this trip, Blyth's "Games ZenMasters Play" is hilarious in many
regards. But I think that it is easy for us to
attempt to gain "satori" or some
other
word by imagining or replaying the path of another found in a book and i
think
this is an error of sorts. Of course,
we might happen along the way by a
repetitive
pattern, but it seems that the experience which pops one's mind past
certain
points on the perceptual map is usually unusual -- it isn't the usual
path
of
another because the experience has a peculiar and particular flavour (and
odour
<grin>)
for each person -- and for each moment of it.
I've
had some difficulty in seeing the Zen in GS's writings. I can imagine that
certain
experiences in the natural world might bring some kick in one's
awareness
-- and
every so often a cricket's song will whack my ear just right -- but the
writing
seems to me at least just propaganda against contemporary culture more
than accounts
of illumination in the natural world.
>
.but I think there was a huge gap inherent in this Beat Zen
>
(especially in Kerouac's arena), and we should all exercise caution when
>
throwing around our Zen Buddhist phrases.
I
imagine you have something here with regards to Jack's uses. It seems that JK
-- and
one of the things I enjoy most about him -- was willing to take ideas,
notions,
words and whatnot and make them his own and put them to his own uses.
Soooooo
if one is interested in strict and cautionary use of language JK would
not
be a
primer of the path probably. But - this
irreverance on his part might be
one
of the
conditions required for sliding (or zooming) past the viral control of
certain
words in the world today.
>
Thru Time Zen monks in the Far East
>
have practiced, studied sutras, and gone half-mad on the path to experiencing
>
bodhi, or satori, or enlightenment (and Gautama Buddha himself, well we know
>
what ordeals preceded his "satori") and these are people whose lives
were
>
wholly devoted to the experience of their Buddhism, down to the last teacup.
Teacup!
-- beautiful and flower arranging and this and that and watching Alice
with my
niece and nephew I'd probably suggest the half mad art of hat-wearing
(of
which
i'm closer to the angle of illumination than with tea, flowers, or
archery)...
>
It's fantastic to experience insights into our own lives, especially when on
>
the road, and I give props to all who see deeper into themselves, I give holy
>
praises (to people like this cat who just got back...name David?)because we
>
all should be feeling insights into where and who and why we are.
backtoya
with the praises (but not so holy) for these thoughts (from
David?race?)
insights
into How we are can be nice as well.
>
..but I just
>
feel and have felt for a while that Kerouac's use of the word satori should
>
perhaps be taken lightly, more lightly perhaps than D.T. Suzuki's (or another
>
East-West Zen master's ) use of the word.
And so
where would you recommend one turn - or to whom? Are you saying that the
bridge
between the experiences of East-West socio-culture are too vast to
translate
from East to West or West to East --- not just in words but in deeds
and
attitude/orientation
it would seem? Where does this leave us
in the art of
how-ing
our experiences.
> I
am in love with Kerouac's
>
writings but I still feel a bit cynical about his Zen...partly because I know
>
that I'm constantly equating myself and my own situations to Jack's (regarding
>
his thoughts on Zen), and I feel that the Zen about which he wrote and which
> he
experienced, and which I often believe to experience, is, i don't
>
know...there's some dualism which shouldn't be there, some lack of humility,
>
something entirely too Western and empty, or perhaps not empty enough.
>
A.C.
something
entirely too Western and empty or perhaps not empty enough -
i think
that is REALLY funny. it's so easy to
slam and scream at the emptiness
of
living
in Phoenix or the Plains and then turn in hope of an emptiness that is
BETTER
or MORE EMPTY. The slamming and
screaming seem to be the lack of
humility
-- and
sometimes it feels that way about any writing as well (or is that just an
excuse
for slow output on other projects?) .... when the screaming fades would
the
illuminati
of Western emptiness be so horrible ---and to draw on Rinaldo's
Ginsberg/Reagan
post --- this probably extends as far as Ronnie. Or as far back
as Ike
tied to Burroughs in a letter ...
and if
you tried to understand any of this ... well ... that was your choice.
david
rhaesa (race)
coffee
tastes the same
in Mesa
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as i
recall from some years back OED usually gives the context (in tiny tiny
tiny
print) and i was wondering from where they drew these meanings for epiphany
and satori.............
david
rhaesa (race)
looking
for Abraxas in Mesa
sherri
wrote:
> in
my Oxford Dictionary epiphany involves the appearance of a god or
>
demi-god. satori either doesn't involve
any gods or may, but doesn't have
>
to. depends on which form of Buddhism,
i suppose.
>
>
ciao, sherri
>
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>
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>
Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 9:10 PM
>
Subject: Re: Satori in Phoenix
>
>
>Aeronwytru wrote:
>
>
>
>> i'm lost. what exactly is satori that it's so great? i thought it was
>
just a
>
>> book or something. anyone care to enlighten me?
>
>
>
>"Somewhere during my ten days in Paris (AND Brittany) [and could
easily
>
have
>
>been Phoenix AND Mesa] I received an illumination of some kind that seems
>
to've
>
>changed me again, towards what I suppose'll be my pattern for another seven
>
>years or more: a SATORI: the Japanese word for 'sudden illumination,'
>
'sudden
>
>awakening' or simply 'kick in the eye.'
Whatever, something DID happen and
> in
>
>my first reveries after the trip and I'm back home regrouping
...." Jack
>
>Kerouac, Satori in Paris, p.1
>
>
>
>Can't enlighten ya further - better to find out for yerself. Experience
>
your
>
>own satori and tell us all how it smelled!
>
>
>
>So does anyone have insight on the difference between satori as used here
>
and
>
>epiphany as used elsewhere?
>
>
>
>david
>
>
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On Sat,
27 Dec 1997, Florian Cramer wrote:
>
took me long until I stumbled over information that Brion Gysin wrote
>
"permutation poems" around 1960. This is highly interesting for me,
since
> it
was the same time when Raymond Queneau wrote his permuting "100.000
>
Billion Poems" and when the information theorist Abraham A. Moles
>
published his "Manifesto of Permutation Art".
There
are Gysin permutation poems in _The Exterminator_, which was
published
in 1960:
TITLE:
The exterminator / William Burroughs, Brion Gysin. -
IMPRINT:
San Francisco : Auerhahn Press, 1960.
NOTES:
Narrative and poems. * Poems and calligraphs by Brion Gysin.
LANGUAGE:
eng
PHYSICAL
DESCRIPTION: 51 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
ASSOCIATED
NAME(S): Gysin, Brion. * Haselwood, Dave L. - Book designer. *
Haselwood, Dave L. - Printer. *
McIlroy, James F. - Printer. *
Auerhahn Press - Private Press.
This
was the first "cut-up" work Burroughs and Gysin published in
collaboration,
although it came after the publication of _Minutes to Go_,
which
also included work by Sinclair Beiles, and Gregory Corso. I haven't
yet
read _Minutes to Go_, so I don't know if there are permutation poems
in
there (anyone?), although I imagine there is, since that was extent of
his
poetic contribution to The Exterminator (excepting, of course, the
calligraphic
work):
TITLE:
Minutes to go [by] Sinclair Beiles [and others.]
PUBLISHED:
[Paris The English Bookshop] [c1960]
PHYSICAL
DESCRIPTION: 63p.
SERIES:
Two cities editions
There
was a second edition that I am told is identical to the first (which
cannot
be said for many books Burroughs has been involved with):
TITLE:
Minutes to go [by] Sinclair Beiles [and others]
PUBLISHED:
[San Francisco] Beach Books, Texts & Documents [c1968]
PHYSICAL
DESCRIPTION: 63p.
I
vaguely remember hearing that a permutation of Gysin's phrase "Rub out
the
Word" appeared in _Minutes to Go_ but I'd check with someone who's
read
the book. There are also recordings of Gysin reading his permutation
poems,
including "Kick that Habit Man", "Junk is No Good Baby" and
some
others.
As for
finding the above books, if you wanted to buy them, you'd have to
shell
out anywhere between $85 to $200 American dollars for The
Exterminator,
and I've seen the first edition of Minutes to Go at a wide
range
of prices from $100 to $250, and the second edition at around
$40-$80.
>
You might also be interested
> to
hear that the "fold-in" method was prototyped in a novel by Marc
>
Saporta which appeared in the early 1960s.
Can you
give a reference where I could find information about this?
The
first book Burroughs wrote/assembled using fold-in texts-- _The Soft
Machine_
-- appeared in 1961 from The Olympia Press in Paris.
> It
seems like the mutual
>
influences on the development of combinatory/permutational literature in
>
early 1960s France (where I guess Gysin was living at that time) still
>
needs to be researched, in case I'm not telling you old stories here.
Certainly
does. The 100,000 sonnet book gets a lot of attention from
people
doing work on hypertext theory and literature. And yes, both
Burroughs
and Gysin were living in Paris in the early 60's.
>
Hence my question: Are Gysin's "permutation poems" published in books?
Yes,
the one's above.
>
Are there any essays or commentaries about them?
I
haven't seen any.
> In
the Web, I found information that Gysin created these poems with the
>
help of a computer; however, the Web page didn't mention the source of
>
this information, so I'm a bit suspicious.
I can't
confirm that this is true, or offer a source (other than the
Burroughs
bio's), but both Burroughs and Gysin worked with Ian
Sommerville,
a computer scientist from Britain, on tape recorder
experiments,
so it is possible that he helped Gysin with his
permutations.
>
Did Gysin make any statements about his permutational poetry in
>
interviews?
The
best books to look into are _Here to Go: Planet R-101_ which is
constructed
as a series of interviews with Gysin, _Brion Gysin Let the
Mice
In_ , and _Man from Nowhere: Storming
the Citadels of
Enlightenment_.
Mike Cakebread might be able to tell you if there's
anything
about permutations in the Man from Nowhere book (Mike?)
>
... It seems really difficult
>
researching this, since most of Gysin's books are small press and out of
>
print
Yup, it
sure is hard. I don't know what it's like in Europe, but decent
university
libraries in N. America should have most of these books. For
instance,
The University of Toronto libraries have all of the books I've
mentioned
except for Man from Nowhere, although many of them are kept in
the
rare book collection. I don't know if they do
inter-(continental)library
loans though.
>
and I guess that the majority of Gysin criticism has been published
> in
the underground press.
There
was a chap-book published for Burroughs' 80th birthday that had a
piece
that took the oft-cited words of Hassan I Sabbah "Nothing
is
True. Everything is Permitted" and transformed them into "Nothing is
True.
Everything is Permuted". I'll check it out next time I'm at the
homestead
to see if it's of interest.
Hope
I've been of some assistance.
Neil
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while i
like to see neither misuse of nor pablum philosophy - a philosophy
or
religion is dead if it does not continue to evolve as humankind learns.
for zen
to deny any great western insights or experiences, and there are
some,
would mean that zen was getting in its own way, which would mean it
would
be denying one of its own precepts:
"if you meet the Buddha, kill
him".
paix,
sherri
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>seems
like what your saying here might make a bit of sense. least
something
to
>dream
about a bit over my morning coffee as my brother's cats -- precious
and
>bob-cat
fondle my legs. Wondering if you find
"any" Western uses of Zen
phrases
>reasonable. I have to say I feel an uneasiness squirm in
my stomach at the
>
number
>of
"zenishistic" books at the Mall bookstores of America and think of
the
vast
>uses
and misuses of phrases and words in a viral departure from traditional
>meanings.
>
>VegasDaddy
wrote:
>
>>
"Beat Zen" is something that we all I think need to watch out
for. It's
>>
wonderful that Kerouac and Gary Snyder and Alan Watts and all those
brilliant
>>
poetic angels with Western origins developed a penchant for Buddhism,
>>
especially Zen.
>
>I
think that my penchant probably began with Watts but I found more
interesting
>accounts
in the writings of Blyth, Herrigel(sp?), and Suzuki. While i
didn't
>bring
it on this trip, Blyth's "Games ZenMasters Play" is hilarious in many
>regards. But I think that it is easy for us to
attempt to gain "satori" or
some
>other
word by imagining or replaying the path of another found in a book
and i
>think
this is an error of sorts. Of course,
we might happen along the way
by a
>repetitive
pattern, but it seems that the experience which pops one's mind
past
>certain
points on the perceptual map is usually unusual -- it isn't the
usual
>
path
>of
another because the experience has a peculiar and particular flavour
(and
>
odour
><grin>)
for each person -- and for each moment of it.
>
>I've
had some difficulty in seeing the Zen in GS's writings. I can imagine
that
>certain
experiences in the natural world might bring some kick in one's
>
awareness
>--
and every so often a cricket's song will whack my ear just right -- but
the
>writing
seems to me at least just propaganda against contemporary culture
more
>than
accounts of illumination in the natural world.
>
>
>>
.but I think there was a huge gap inherent in this Beat Zen
>>
(especially in Kerouac's arena), and we should all exercise caution when
>>
throwing around our Zen Buddhist phrases.
>
>I
imagine you have something here with regards to Jack's uses. It seems
that JK
>--
and one of the things I enjoy most about him -- was willing to take
ideas,
>notions,
words and whatnot and make them his own and put them to his own
uses.
>Soooooo
if one is interested in strict and cautionary use of language JK
would
>
not
>be
a primer of the path probably. But -
this irreverance on his part might
be
>
one
>of
the conditions required for sliding (or zooming) past the viral control
of
>certain
words in the world today.
>
>
>>
Thru Time Zen monks in the Far East
>>
have practiced, studied sutras, and gone half-mad on the path to
experiencing
>>
bodhi, or satori, or enlightenment (and Gautama Buddha himself, well we
know
>>
what ordeals preceded his "satori") and these are people whose lives
were
>>
wholly devoted to the experience of their Buddhism, down to the last
teacup.
>
>Teacup!
-- beautiful and flower arranging and this and that and watching
Alice
>with
my niece and nephew I'd probably suggest the half mad art of
hat-wearing
>
(of
>which
i'm closer to the angle of illumination than with tea, flowers, or
>archery)...
>
>
>>
It's fantastic to experience insights into our own lives, especially when
on
>>
the road, and I give props to all who see deeper into themselves, I give
holy
>>
praises (to people like this cat who just got back...name David?)because
we
>>
all should be feeling insights into where and who and why we are.
>
>backtoya
with the praises (but not so holy) for these thoughts (from
>
David?race?)
>insights
into How we are can be nice as well.
>
>
>>
..but I just
>>
feel and have felt for a while that Kerouac's use of the word satori
should
>>
perhaps be taken lightly, more lightly perhaps than D.T. Suzuki's (or
another
>>
East-West Zen master's ) use of the word.
>
>And
so where would you recommend one turn - or to whom? Are you saying
that
the
>bridge
between the experiences of East-West socio-culture are too vast to
>translate
from East to West or West to East --- not just in words but in
deeds
>
and
>attitude/orientation
it would seem? Where does this leave us
in the art of
>how-ing
our experiences.
>
>
>>
I am in love with Kerouac's
>>
writings but I still feel a bit cynical about his Zen...partly because I
know
>>
that I'm constantly equating myself and my own situations to Jack's
(regarding
>>
his thoughts on Zen), and I feel that the Zen about which he wrote and
which
>>
he experienced, and which I often believe to experience, is, i don't
>>
know...there's some dualism which shouldn't be there, some lack of
humility,
>>
something entirely too Western and empty, or perhaps not empty enough.
>>
A.C.
>
>
>something
entirely too Western and empty or perhaps not empty enough -
>i
think that is REALLY funny. it's so
easy to slam and scream at the
emptiness
> of
>living
in Phoenix or the Plains and then turn in hope of an emptiness that
is
>BETTER
or MORE EMPTY. The slamming and screaming
seem to be the lack of
>
humility
>--
and sometimes it feels that way about any writing as well (or is that
just an
>excuse
for slow output on other projects?) .... when the screaming fades
would
>
the
>illuminati
of Western emptiness be so horrible ---and to draw on Rinaldo's
>Ginsberg/Reagan
post --- this probably extends as far as Ronnie. Or as far
back
>as
Ike tied to Burroughs in a letter ...
>
>and
if you tried to understand any of this ... well ... that was your
choice.
>
>david
rhaesa (race)
>coffee
tastes the same
>in
Mesa
>
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epiphany:
'Mid Eng from Greek epiphaneia 'manifestation', from epiphaino,
'reveal'
satori: Japanese, 'awakening'
so it
seems to me one could use the word epiphany in place of satori, but
the
sense could be misunderstood. plus epiphany carries the sense that
someone
or thing outside the self originated the experience, which satori
does
not seem to imply.
ciao,
sherri
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>as
i recall from some years back OED usually gives the context (in tiny
tiny
>tiny
print) and i was wondering from where they drew these meanings for
epiphany
>and
satori.............
>
>david
rhaesa (race)
>looking
for Abraxas in Mesa
>
>sherri
wrote:
>
>>
in my Oxford Dictionary epiphany involves the appearance of a god or
>>
demi-god. satori either doesn't involve
any gods or may, but doesn't
have
>>
to. depends on which form of Buddhism,
i suppose.
>>
>>
ciao, sherri
>>
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>>
From: Jim Rhaesa <racy@PRIMENET.COM>
>>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>>
Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 9:10 PM
>>
Subject: Re: Satori in Phoenix
>>
>>
>Aeronwytru wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> i'm lost. what exactly is satori that it's so great? i thought it was
>>
just a
>>
>> book or something. anyone care to enlighten me?
>>
>
>>
>"Somewhere during my ten days in Paris (AND Brittany) [and could
easily
>>
have
>>
>been Phoenix AND Mesa] I received an illumination of some kind that
seems
>>
to've
>>
>changed me again, towards what I suppose'll be my pattern for another
seven
>>
>years or more: a SATORI: the Japanese word for 'sudden illumination,'
>>
'sudden
>>
>awakening' or simply 'kick in the eye.'
Whatever, something DID happen
and
>>
in
>>
>my first reveries after the trip and I'm back home regrouping ...."
Jack
>>
>Kerouac, Satori in Paris, p.1
>>
>
>>
>Can't enlighten ya further - better to find out for yerself. Experience
>>
your
>>
>own satori and tell us all how it smelled!
>>
>
>>
>So does anyone have insight on the difference between satori as used
here
>>
and
>>
>epiphany as used elsewhere?
>>
>
>>
>david
>>
>
>
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>To:
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>Subject:
New beats for the list
>
>How
about JIM JARMUSCH, a filmmaker who is very influenced by the beat
>style.
And he works a lot with Tom Waits, and also JOHN LURIE, a
>musician
who is not on your list either.
>And
then there's LOU REED...
>
>Nick
>
>--
>--==--==--==--
>
>--
Mork, Where'd you get the dead Mindys..?
>--
They're not dead, Mind. It's just my personal pile of perkiness.
>
Nick,
much thanks!
tante
grazie for yr help to improve the beat web site,
i've
added John Lurie to the list of beats,
have a
happy new year!
saluti
cari,
Rinaldo.
--------
p.s. i
posted in the following url a picture of John Lurie (photographed
by Wim
Wender)
http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/lurie_john_at_soho.html
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Beat
SuperNova
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Carl
Adkins
Willie
Loco Alexander
Donald
Allen
Steve
Allen
David
Amram
Kenneth
Anger
Jerry
Aronson
Al Aronowitz
Mary
Beach
Amari
Baraka (LeRoi Jones)
Wallace
Berman
Stephen
Jesse Bernstein
Ted
Berrigan
Paul
Blackburn
Robin
Blaser
Richard
Brautigan
Bonnie
Bremser
Ray
Bremser
Chandler
Brossard
Lenny
Bruce
Charles
Bukowski
William
S. Burroughs
William
S. Burroughs Jr.
John
Cage
Edgar
Cayce
Caleb
Carr
Lucien
Carr
Paul
Carroll
Louis R
Cartwright
Carolyn
Cassady
Neal
Cassady
Norris
Church
Tom
Clark
Andy
Clausen
Leonard
Cohen
Al Cohn
Bruce
Conner
Gregory
Corso
Robert
Creeley
Henry
Cru
Fielding
Dawson
Jay
deFeo
Robert
De Niro
Diane
DiPrima
John
Doe
Kirby
Doyle
Edward
Dorn
Robert
Duncan
Bob
Dylan
Larry
Eigner
Kenward
Elmslie
William
Everson (Brother Antoninus)
Mary
Fabilli
Larry
Fagin
Richard
Farina
Lawrence
Ferlinghetti
Tom
Field
Charles
Henry Ford
Charles
Foster
Robert
Frank
Allen
Ginsberg
John
Giorno
Paul
Goodman
Robert
Gover
James
Grauerholz
Morris
Graves
Emmet
Grogan
Brion
Gysin
Howard
Hart
Dave
Hazelwood
Wally
Hedrick
Abbie
Hoffman
John
Clellon Holmes
Herbert
Huncke
Evan
Hunter
William
Inge
Robinson
Jeffers
Ted
Joans
Joyce
Johnson
Lenore
Kandel
John
Kelly
Robert
Kelly
Jack
Kerouac
Jan
Kerouac
Ken
Kesey
Franz
Kline
Seymour
Krim
Paul
Krassner
Art
Kunkin
Tuli
Kupferberg
Joanne
Kyger
La Loca
Philip
Lamantia
Jay
Landesman
Fran
Landesman
James
Laughlin
Denise
Levertov
Timothy
Leary
Alfred
Leslie
Lawrence
Lipton
Ron
Loewinsohn
Gerald
Locklin
Philomene
Long
Malcom
Lowry
John
Lurie
Bill
MacNeill
Norman
Mailer
Gerard
Malanga
Edward
Marshall
Peter
Martin
Lewis
McAdams
Joanna
McClure
Michael
McClure
Fred
McDarrah
Don
McNeill
Taylor
Mead
David
Meltzer
Jack
Micheline
Henry
Miller
John
Montgomery
Shigeyoshi
(Shig) Murao
Ken
Nordine
Harold
Norse
Frank
O'Hara
David
Ohle
Charles
Olson
Peter
Orlovsky
Kenneth
Patchen
Thomas
Parkinson
Claude
Pelieu
Nancy
Peters
Stuart
Z. Perkoff
Charles
Plymell
Dan
Propper
Lee
Ranaldo
Lou
Reed
Kenneth
Rexroth
Steve
Richmond
Frank
Rios
Edoardo
Roditi
Theodore
Roethke
Hugh
Romney
Michael
Rumaker
Ed
Sanders
Albert
Saijo
Mark
Schorer
Tony
Scibella
Hubert
Jr. Selby
Patti
Smith
Gary
Snyder
Carl
Solomon
Terry
Southern
Jack
Spicer
Hunter
Stockton Thompson
Bob
Thiele
John
Thomas
Mark
Tobey
Alexander
Trocchi
Giuseppe
Ungaretti
Charles
Upton
Janine
Pommy Vega
William
T. Vollmann
Tom
Waits
Anne
Waldman
Lewis
Warsh
Alan W.
Watts
Lew
Welch (Lewis Barret Welch)
Philip
Whalen
John
Wieners
Jonathan
Williams
William
Carlos Williams
Clay
Wilson
Ruth
Witt-Diamant
James
Wright
Zoot
Simms
Louis
Zukofsky
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:53:54 -0500
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On Tue,
30 Dec 1997, VegasDaddy wrote:
>
"Beat Zen" is something that we all I think need to watch out
for. It's
>
wonderful that Kerouac and Gary Snyder and Alan Watts and all those brilliant
>
poetic angels with Western origins developed a penchant for Buddhism,
>
especially Zen..but I think there was a huge gap inherent in this Beat Zen
>
(especially in Kerouac's arena), and we should all exercise caution when
>
throwing around our Zen Buddhist phrases.
Thru Time Zen monks in the Far East
>
have practiced, studied sutras, and gone half-mad on the path to experiencing
>
bodhi, or satori, or enlightenment (and Gautama Buddha himself, well we know
>
what ordeals preceded his "satori") and these are people whose lives
were
>
wholly devoted to the experience of their Buddhism, down to the last teacup.
>
It's fantastic to experience insights into our own lives, especially when on
>
the road, and I give props to all who see deeper into themselves, I give holy
>
praises (to people like this cat who just got back...name David?)because we
>
all should be feeling insights into where and who and why we are...but I just
>
feel and have felt for a while that Kerouac's use of the word satori should
>
perhaps be taken lightly, more lightly perhaps than D.T. Suzuki's (or another
>
East-West Zen master's ) use of the word.
I am in love with Kerouac's
>
writings but I still feel a bit cynical about his Zen...partly because I know
>
that I'm constantly equating myself and my own situations to Jack's (regarding
>
his thoughts on Zen), and I feel that the Zen about which he wrote and which
> he
experienced, and which I often believe to experience, is, i don't
>
know...there's some dualism which shouldn't be there, some lack of humility,
>
something entirely too Western and empty, or perhaps not empty enough.
>
A.C.
>
if all
is emptiness (sunyata), how can something be 'not empty enough'
eric
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Hey
Vegas
I believe you have a valid point
here. I also believe that what kept
JK from
totally getting into a "real" Zen was his inherent hangups via Roman
Catholicism.
A tough nut to break away from in any case. Satori doesnt come
cheap,
if ever. If you look at it is as simple little breakthroughs i feel you
might
miss the total picture. This is only my opinion, and coming from one who
has
been away from Zen for 20 some years and now trying to work my way back
into
it. I love Some of the Dharma but I also realize that it was written by a
man who
was sorta confused when he wrote it. I think we should appreciate what
the
Beats were doing when they got into Buddhism and Zen, and in the case of
Snyder,
actually made a comitment to it. Also would have to include Whalen in
there.
Its a hard road. I hope to finish it. Not holding my breath, then again
I am.
GT
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On the
contrary, Mary, we haven't heard much on this play. Any further comment
s you
have will be of interest.
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Thanks
to Diane DeRooy I saw the play - the Essence of Jack, while visiting
Seattle
this fall. It was excellent.
It has
run in Seattle, at a small theatre, the Velvet Elvis just off Pioneer
Square
(the original skid row), for over a year.
I'm not sure if it is still
running,
it has been held over several times.
It
opens with a fine jazz combo. From there
it is a series of events from
Kerouac's
life. It sticks pretty close to the
facts as I understand them with
some
"license" when the actor gets into the rhelm of how Kerouac felt
about
certain
things. The territiory is pretty
familier - Gerards death, football
days, meeting Cassidy and Ginsberg, troubles
getting On The Road published,
positive
and negative reactions to OTR, troubles brought on by sudden fame,
the
Steve Allen show, the breakdown at Big Sur, the Merry Pranksters visit,
the
alcohol soaked 60's. Readings from
various Kerouac books are sprinkled
throughout. At the end Vincent takes questions -- mostly
from
twentysomethings
who know a little, but not a lot, about Kerouac.
I
highly recommend the play to anyone visiting Seattle.
Howard
Park
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In a
message dated 97-12-30 07:38:53 EST, you write:
<<
I imagine you have something here with regards to Jack's uses. It seems
that JK
-- and one of the things I enjoy most about
him -- was willing to take ideas,
notions, words and whatnot and make them his
own and put them to his own
uses.
Soooooo if one is interested in strict and
cautionary use of language JK
would
not
be a primer of the path probably. But - this irreverance on his part might
be
one
of the conditions required for sliding (or
zooming) past the viral control of
certain words in the world today. >>
David -
Very true, Jack's non-conformity, or "irreverance" both on and off
the
page
are what made him so beautiful, and as an original stylist he is
immortal. But I don't think that he was really ever
able to grasp Buddhism
beyond
an intellectual level. I think that if
Jack had really had a genuine
satori,
then he would not have died by the bottle.
As for
living in Pheonix or the Plains, I don't think that would put a damper
on
anyone's Zen. I just think that here in the Western world we tend to view
life
very differently than they view it in the Far East, and when Americans
take
Zen Buddhist concepts and play around with them, very often their Zen
becomes
defiled confused and futile. I'm not
saying that a Westerner can't
practice
Zen or gain new insights into Buddhism or even realize Prajna, that
is,
experience satori thru seeing into their own Buddha-natures...but we
definitely
tend to intellectualize these things and adapt them to our somewhat
fucked
up American way of looking at things, at least when we adopt Zen.
It is
one (and a wonderful) thing to gain insight into one's life. It is
another
(and not very common) thing to experience a Zen satori, to become one
with
your no-mind or Unconscious, or to see into the vast emptiness of one's
own
self-nature.
Tho I
do hear what you're saying about irreverance to language, and I think
that
you are absolutely right and most of the Time I say screw traditional
uses of
words...but with Zen Buddhism I feel that we must look to the East,
and
BeatZen is great but when we read it and about it I think we need to
realize
that it's not true Zen teaching...
Anthony
C.
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what
the heck is a permutation poem? help! i really don't know very much about
this
sort of stuff and i hate not knowing things. can someone tell me what it
is in
non-technical (read---> layman's) terms and send me a copy of one?
thanks
so much.
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Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
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>
Beats:The List
>
Beat SuperNova
> an
absolutely shit kicking list
>
http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/beats.htm
>
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>
>
Michael McClure
i just
found a copy of something called "The Beard" by MM today. The
afterward
said it was performed four times before police intervention. I
thought
that was kinda funny. Anybody read it?
david
rhaesa (race)
winding
down the year in mesa
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"Every
healthy culture provides for there being non-joiners. Sanyassi,
hermits,
drop-outs too...Every healthy society has to tolerate this... "
--Alan
Watts.
i have
some problems concerning why Jack Kerouac's rejected
the zen
experience it seem to me zen is near the catholic feeling
of the
life, rinaldo.
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On Wed,
31 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
> i
have some problems concerning why Jack Kerouac's rejected
>
the zen experience it seem to me zen is near the catholic feeling
> of
the life, rinaldo.
perhaps
because kerouac had so cleansed his consciousness of objectivity
and
objective structures, the Nothingness of zen would have been too much
for
him. his was essentially a catholic mind, and as such was more at
home in
ritual and pageantry than in the zen void. he was like watts in
that -
i think watts had very little affection for the void of zen ... his
wonderful
_way of zen_ book turns the patriarchs and disciplies into a
colorful
pageant through time anyway; has more of a mahayana / tibetan
buddhist
feeling.
+ -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
Michael R. Brown foosi@global.california.com
+ -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
Find out the laws then do what
you will.
- Susannah
Thompson
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Subject: Re: "BeatZen" (was Re: Satori
in Phoenix)
Anthony
C. wrote:
>But
I don't think that he was really ever able to grasp Buddhism
>beyond
an intellectual level. I think that if
Jack had really had a
>genuine
satori, then he would not have died by the bottle.
while i
would agree with you that satori is probably a rather rare
experience,
not just in the western world, but in all of it, i would
strongly
hesitate to judge anyone else's experience.
after all, it's only
experienced
within one's own nature. who is anyone
to externally judge
that? and who's to say that dying by the bottle
wasn't JK's path? i also
never
felt that Jack was attempting to be only zen.
he looked into, at
least,
mahayana buddhism and hinduism and found wisdom there as well.
perhaps,
he sought to find those few basic, fundamental truths which seem to
run
like a golden thread throughout this world's religions and philosophies,
looking
to validate and more deeply understand them.
ciao,
sherri
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Rinaldo,
I like
the new list. Just a few minor
arguments from me (also plead
ignorance
on a few)
John
Cage --Black Mtn and all, but beat?--a stretch
Malcolm
Lowry--wonderful writer, but definitely not beat to me
Mark
Shorer--don't see that one at all either--maybe my memory is wrong but
I
remember him as pretty buttoned down and un beat--
but
these are minor disagreements. You have
done a great service and it is
a
wonderful list for suggesting a lot of directions to look.
James
Stauffer
Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
>Return-Path: <npk@powertech.no>
>
>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:41:12 +0100
>
>From: Nicholas Knutsen <npk@powertech.no>
>
>To: rasa@gpnet.it
>
>Subject: New beats for the list
>
>
>
>How about JIM JARMUSCH, a filmmaker who is very influenced by the beat
>
>style. And he works a lot with Tom Waits, and also JOHN LURIE, a
>
>musician who is not on your list either.
>
>And then there's LOU REED...
>
>
>
>Nick
>
>
>
>--
>
>--==--==--==--
>
>
>
>-- Mork, Where'd you get the dead Mindys..?
>
>-- They're not dead, Mind. It's just my personal pile of perkiness.
>
>
>
>
Nick, much thanks!
>
>
tante grazie for yr help to improve the beat web site,
>
i've added John Lurie to the list of beats,
>
have a happy new year!
>
>
saluti cari,
>
Rinaldo.
>
--------
>
p.s. i posted in the following url a picture of John Lurie (photographed
> by
Wim Wender)
>
>
http://www.gpnet.it/rasa/lurie_john_at_soho.html
>
>
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>
Carl Adkins
>
Willie Loco Alexander
>
Donald Allen
>
Steve Allen
>
David Amram
>
Kenneth Anger
>
Jerry Aronson
> Al
Aronowitz
>
Mary Beach
>
Amari Baraka (LeRoi Jones)
>
Wallace Berman
>
Stephen Jesse Bernstein
>
Ted Berrigan
>
Paul Blackburn
>
Robin Blaser
>
Richard Brautigan
>
Bonnie Bremser
>
Ray Bremser
>
Chandler Brossard
>
Lenny Bruce
>
Charles Bukowski
>
William S. Burroughs
>
William S. Burroughs Jr.
>
John Cage
>
Edgar Cayce
>
Caleb Carr
>
Lucien Carr
>
Paul Carroll
>
Louis R Cartwright
>
Carolyn Cassady
>
Neal Cassady
>
Norris Church
>
Tom Clark
>
Andy Clausen
>
Leonard Cohen
> Al
Cohn
>
Bruce Conner
>
Gregory Corso
>
Robert Creeley
>
Henry Cru
>
Fielding Dawson
>
Jay deFeo
>
Robert De Niro
>
Diane DiPrima
>
John Doe
>
Kirby Doyle
>
Edward Dorn
>
Robert Duncan
>
Bob Dylan
>
Larry Eigner
>
Kenward Elmslie
>
William Everson (Brother Antoninus)
>
Mary Fabilli
>
Larry Fagin
>
Richard Farina
>
Lawrence Ferlinghetti
>
Tom Field
>
Charles Henry Ford
>
Charles Foster
>
Robert Frank
> Allen
Ginsberg
>
John Giorno
>
Paul Goodman
>
Robert Gover
>
James Grauerholz
>
Morris Graves
>
Emmet Grogan
>
Brion Gysin
>
Howard Hart
>
Dave Hazelwood
>
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>
Abbie Hoffman
>
John Clellon Holmes
>
Herbert Huncke
>
Evan Hunter
> William
Inge
>
Robinson Jeffers
>
Ted Joans
>
Joyce Johnson
>
Lenore Kandel
>
John Kelly
>
Robert Kelly
>
Jack Kerouac
>
Jan Kerouac
>
Ken Kesey
>
Franz Kline
>
Seymour Krim
>
Paul Krassner
>
Art Kunkin
>
Tuli Kupferberg
>
Joanne Kyger
> La
Loca
>
Philip Lamantia
>
Jay Landesman
>
Fran Landesman
>
James Laughlin
>
Denise Levertov
>
Timothy Leary
>
Alfred Leslie
>
Lawrence Lipton
>
Ron Loewinsohn
>
Gerald Locklin
>
Philomene Long
>
Malcom Lowry
>
John Lurie
>
Bill MacNeill
>
Norman Mailer
>
Gerard Malanga
>
Edward Marshall
>
Peter Martin
>
Lewis McAdams
>
Joanna McClure
>
Michael McClure
>
Fred McDarrah
>
Don McNeill
>
Taylor Mead
>
David Meltzer
>
Jack Micheline
>
Henry Miller
>
John Montgomery
>
Shigeyoshi (Shig) Murao
>
Ken Nordine
>
Harold Norse
>
Frank O'Hara
>
David Ohle
>
Charles Olson
>
Peter Orlovsky
>
Kenneth Patchen
>
Thomas Parkinson
>
Claude Pelieu
>
Nancy Peters
>
Stuart Z. Perkoff
>
Charles Plymell
>
Dan Propper
>
Lee Ranaldo
>
Lou Reed
>
Kenneth Rexroth
>
Steve Richmond
>
Frank Rios
>
Edoardo Roditi
>
Theodore Roethke
>
Hugh Romney
>
Michael Rumaker
> Ed
Sanders
>
Albert Saijo
>
Mark Schorer
>
Tony Scibella
>
Hubert Jr. Selby
>
Patti Smith
>
Gary Snyder
>
Carl Solomon
> Terry
Southern
>
Jack Spicer
>
Hunter Stockton Thompson
>
Bob Thiele
>
John Thomas
>
Mark Tobey
>
Alexander Trocchi
>
Giuseppe Ungaretti
>
Charles Upton
>
Janine Pommy Vega
>
William T. Vollmann
>
Tom Waits
>
Anne Waldman
>
Lewis Warsh
>
Alan W. Watts
>
Lew Welch (Lewis Barret Welch)
>
Philip Whalen
>
John Wieners
>
Jonathan Williams
>
William Carlos Williams
>
Clay Wilson
>
Ruth Witt-Diamant
>
James Wright
>
Zoot Simms
>
Louis Zukofsky
>
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>
last update 30th december 1997
>
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hey,
dont you guys think Jim Carroll's beat?
i mean
if you're gonna name Lou Reed and Patti Smith "beats", well then...
oh, and
why no Dennis Hopper??????
--
Ginny.
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Subject: Re: "BeatZen" (was Re: Satori
in Phoenix)
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>On
Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
>
>>
i have some problems concerning why Jack Kerouac's rejected
>>
the zen experience it seem to me zen is near the catholic feeling
>>
of the life, rinaldo.
At
15.38 30/12/97 -0800, Michael R. Brown wrote:
>
>perhaps
because kerouac had so cleansed his consciousness of objectivity
>and
objective structures, the Nothingness of zen would have been too much
>for
him. his was essentially a catholic mind, and as such was more at
>home
in ritual and pageantry than in the zen void. [...]
> Michael R. Brown foosi@global.california.com
michael,
i
think, jack kerouac abandoned the countercultural movement
growing
in the '60s (ginsberg, snyder, et cetera) for istance
he
started the revisionism of the "beat" shifting the meaning
from
"hey i'm beat" to "beatific" as in Saint Francesco way.
kerouac
in his last years have a little problems with his old
beat
friends (& wasn't present in the countercultural debate).
sometime
expressed furore as for political or cultural performances
of his
dated friends. anyway jack kerouac via the catholic
roman
church has a reincarnation not a rebirth. in my opinion
the
myth of the reincarnation of our own body (in flesh) and
not
trasmigrate in other beings on this planet (kharma) is a strong
point
favorauble to mother christian/catholic curch way of life
(i
think of "visions of gerard"), &(sad) the good dies young...,
saluti
rinaldo.
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Looking
forward to hearing more about Jack's Essence.
Please
tell us more and more and more....
david
rhaesa (race)
still
in the Valley
Mary
Maconnell wrote:
>
Hi. I'm new to the list and probably
shouldn't be posting until I sit and
>
read letters for a few days but I'm posting nonetheless. I've read Jack
>
and loved him but what spurred me to join a mailing list was this show I
>
caught in Seattle: "Kerouac: The
Essence of Jack." Probably some of
you
>
have seen it and know what I'm talking about.
Vincent Balestri performs
>
this one-man show where he plays Jack and *IS* Jack. I'm not going to
> be
unpurposefully redundant in telling you all about it because it's
>
probably already been discussed here.
But I was amazed and mesmerized
>
and it was the best live theater thing I have ever seen in my life.
>
> So
I'm glad there's a mailing list for this and so far I've read really
>
great things and I'm looking forward to reading even more. :)
>
>
Mary
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As 1997
comes to a close, so we say goodbye to the last year of the lives
of
Allen Ginsberg and Bill Burroughs. The
coming year, and all the
coming
years, will not seem as full without those two in the world.
Goodbye
Allen...Goodbye Bill...your words will live on.
Next
time Im at the White Horse, I'm going to drink a cold one in your
memories.
RJW
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On Wed,
31 Dec 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:
> As
1997 comes to a close, so we say goodbye to the last year of the lives
> of
Allen Ginsberg and Bill Burroughs. The
coming year, and all the
>
coming years, will not seem as full without those two in the world.
>
>
Goodbye Allen...Goodbye Bill...your words will live on.
>
>
Next time Im at the White Horse, I'm going to drink a cold one in your
>
memories.
To
paraphrase Bill's friend, the Bard of Avon,
They
were men.
Take
them all for all
And all
in all,
Their
like shall not come again.
+ -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
Michael R. Brown foosi@global.california.com
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-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
Find out the laws then do what
you will.
- Susannah
Thompson
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I'm back again, at least
temporarily. I thought I'd give the
list
another try, I've been watching for a few
days and no one's used the
dreaded E- word, (can't bear to even
write the whole word, someone may
bring the subject up again).
Received a copy of Some of the Dharma for
the holidays. Anyone else
currently in its throes?
love and lilies,
matt
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I am
envious of you all, getting together in calif , sherri give marie a
hug,
james, give sherri a hug. etc. my self i usually don't hug but if
i see
david on his way back to salina i will give him a hug. We have
been
warned to watch out for beat zen signs so, i will watch out, eager
always
to advance the warpage of an old religion. I am not sure that i
see zen
in catholicism but it is probaly every and nowhere. so also i
will
watch out in case jacks catholic whims start invading my
conciousness.
kick
your heels
patricia
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From: Sherri
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Subject: Happy New Year
well,
kids it's been wonderful, sad, tragic, wild, crazy year. this list
has
added a lot for me and i want to thank you all for all the great, crazy
and
even inane thoughts that have run through the list. always good to get
the
brain cells stirred up.
anyway,
i wish you all a beatific, wild, crazy, safe new year, and...
live,
live, live like mad!!!
ciao,
sherri
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Patricia
- we'll all give hugs in your name.
sure wish you were with us.
you can
hug david for all of us, when he comes back through. happy new
year! sherri
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Subject:
ho ho holicay
>I
am envious of you all, getting together in calif , sherri give marie a
>hug,
james, give sherri a hug. etc. my self i usually don't hug but if
>i
see david on his way back to salina i will give him a hug. We have
>been
warned to watch out for beat zen signs so, i will watch out, eager
>always
to advance the warpage of an old religion. I am not sure that i
>see
zen in catholicism but it is probaly every and nowhere. so also i
>will
watch out in case jacks catholic whims start invading my
>conciousness.
>kick
your heels
>patricia
>
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I don't know how far this list spans,
or how many cultures it touches, but
Happy
new year and seasons greetings to each and all. It's been a wacky
year... Full of laughs, tears, hope, some more
tears, and I'd just like to
give
everyone a great big sloppy kiss from a Drunkard. I'll have a drink
at the
fall of the ball and think about everyone who has passed. Join me.
-Bill
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At
02.21 31/12/97 EST, NICO 88 <NICO88@AOL.COM> wrote:
>hey,
dont you guys think Jim Carroll's beat?
>i
mean if you're gonna name Lou Reed and Patti Smith "beats", well
then...
>
>oh,
and why no Dennis Hopper??????
>
>--
Ginny.
>
ginny,
grazie (thanks) for yr comments, i consider to expand
the
list. why not Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth's singer)?,
again
saluti by rinaldo.
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>From
South China Morning Post
_______
Wednesday December 31
1997
Buddhists free fish to
appease poultry
ANDREA LI
Buddhists freed more than 600
kilograms of live
fish yesterday in an effort to
pacify the souls of the
slaughtered chickens.
The Reverend Sik Wing Sing
said the worshippers
released a fishing boat's
catch worth an estimated
$49,000 off Sai Kung.
"There were lots of fish
of all types and sizes. This
is a standard ritual we
perform every so often as we
believe the freeing of life
will help others," said
Reverend Sik.
The fish-releasing ceremony is
performed by
Buddhists twice a year.
Yesterday's event involved
more than 150 worshippers.
"By releasing life back
into the sea, it will be easier
for animals and humans to come
back into the
world," Buddhist Leung
Him-tai, 46, said. "In the
wake of the chicken slaughter,
it will also help the
chickens die more comfortably
and make their
deaths less painful."
Chui Shing-lei, 31, is a
regular participant in the
ceremonies. "I know I
have done something good.
It is, in essence, freeing and
saving someone's life."
Other ceremonies to pacify the
souls of the dead
birds will start this morning
at Western Monastery
in Lo Wai, Tsuen Wan, and
continue for seven
days.
"Dozens of monks will
chant poems to send the
souls to peaceful lands,"
said Foon Wang, a monk
at the monastery.
The prayers will run from 9 am
to 11.30 am, and
from 1 pm to 4 pm.
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From: jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>
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If any
Beat Listers happen to see the movie TITANIC check for a Nike Swoosh
on the
Life Jackets. Did I really see that? Not possible to sit through it
twice.
j grant
HELP RECOVER THE MEMORY
BABE ARCHIVES
Details on-line at
http://www.bookzen.com
625,506 Visitors 07-01-96 to 11-28-97
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I am
sitting here at the open window bringing to me luscious ocean flavored
breezes
drenched in pale sunlight painting moving silver amorphous textures
in the clear
sky, saying good bye to another year serenely moving us another
notch
closer to the 21st century. Marie is
resting with a book in her room.
We are
getting ready to join a couple of friends in the first night
festivities
downtown Santa Cruz. Indoors and out, entertainment everywhere,
last
year there were about 20,000 grown ups and kids greeting the new year
with
alcohol free good vibes.
I would
like to find some very clever one liner, but all I can think of is
wishes
for a year full of Happiness Love and Peace for all of us.
leon
leon
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that's
funny because i heard on the news that they Buddhist monks were singing
chants
for the souls of the chickens.
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am
going to see it soon. will let you know. tll me mmore about where to look.
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ummm..
that sounds so luscious. i'm so jealous! i'm stuck here in smoggy nyc.
well
i'm no good at spontaneous one-liners either, so happy new year's to you
too.
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maybe i
missed him, but i don't remember seeing rimbaud on there. i think he
deserves
to be on there as much as any of those people. and what about marcel
proust?
saroyan?
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friends,
i've
the pleasure to present a beautiful web site
developed
by Daniele Savio a friend of mine who
is an
ecologist devoted to defend the nature against
the
damage of the human negligence regard the resource
of our
planet. his principal objective is to rescue
the
Isola della Certosa near Venice (see the map
linked
in the web pages). i hope his efforts 'll have
rewarded
during this coming year to create a natural park
in this
island at disposal for the people.
--- * ---
L'ISOLA
DELLA CERTOSA A VENEZIA.
For
beyond 600 years the island was place of religious
installations,
initially of the Agostiniani, afterward,
beginning
from the 1424, of the Fathers chartreuses,
which,
on sketch of Pietro Lombardo, they reconstructed
the
church and they widened the complex conventual,
that
finished for deal with (like he testifies the
press
of Coronelli Vincenzo) the complete surface of the island.
Ample
spaces had destined to meadows and planted with trees
avenues
and, in distinctive, to the gardens, that, with the
donations
of the believers, they contributed to the economic
calm of
the religious, consenting those conditions of
essential
isolation to the monastic life. Around to the 1820,
with
the cancel of the religious Orders, the convent came
completely
demolished to exception of the guesthouse,
reformatted
to military barracks, and the island was military
custom.
The numerous other constructions by now half-destroyed
and
invaded from the present botany in the island belongs to
the
recent history and results barren of historic or artistic
interest.
web
path to a virtual garden in Venice:
http://www.gpnet.it/savio/certosa/intro.htm
http://www.gpnet.it/savio/certosa/spot1.htm
http://www.gpnet.it/savio/certosa/zoom.htm
http://www.gpnet.it/savio/certosa/cert_sto.htm
http://www.gpnet.it/savio/certosa/cert_ide.htm
http://www.gpnet.it/savio/certosa/schede/percintr.htm
http://www.gpnet.it/savio/certosa/schede/percomap.htm
thanks
Daniele!
--- * ---
saluti
a tutti,
Rinaldo.
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We have
a scan of the cover, a link to the product, and the latest news at
your
fingertips! Go to:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
Happy New Years to
all!
Paul of The
Kerouac Quarterly....
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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I am
not real sure i see the humor in the monks chanting for the souls of the
chickens.
Explain, please?
GT
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Let Dreiser drive...
Excuse
me if I mentioned this book before, can't remember if I have but I'd
like to
mention the recent re-issue of A HOOSIER HOLIDAY by Theodore Dreiser.
This
reprint is nicely done by Indiana University Press and has the original
illustrations
of Franklin Booth, who was one of the main artists for the
magazine,
the MASSES.
Published
originally in 1915, this is one of the first 'road books' ever
produced
in America. In this piece, Dreiser decides to take a trip from New
York
State back to his home in Indiana with artist Franklin Booth, who is also
a
character in this book. They hire a youngkid to drive, who is given the
nikname
of "Speed." The book has many close associations with On The Road.
This
paricular edition btw, has a forward by Douglas Brinkley. If you have
never
cared much for Dreisers writing, let me say that this is the man at his
best,
the writing is excellent.
Ever
since reading Keroauc's On The Road, I have been interested in travel
books
that cross this country via auto. They make nice background reading for
OTR.
Also of interest might be FREE AIR, by Sinclair Lewis. This came out in
1917
and is more of a novel than Dreiser's memoir-like Holiday. FREE AIR is
interesting,
wort the read if you can find it, it is still another among the
earliest
of On The Road books. But by all means, check out A Hoosier Holiday,
five
stars.
Cheers
in 1998 and to anotheryear of good books!
Dave B.
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Happy New Year to all of you.
I'll
lift a glass and pass the pipe for the List.
Let it rip!
James
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Leon
wrote:
> I
would like to find some very clever one liner, but all I can think of is
>
wishes for a year full of Happiness Love and Peace for all of us.
>
>
leon
>
Leon:
What
could be more clever. Thanks and the
same to ya!
--
Peace,
Bentz
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I seem
to have been unsubbed from this list. Haven't received a post in
three
days. Could somebody please tell me (via private email) how I can
resubscribe?
Thanks.
Glenn
C.
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Glenn:
Here is
what I know.
> To
subscribe, send an email to
>
listserv@cunyvm.cuny.edu with a blank subject line. In the body of your mail,
type "subscribe
>
Beat-L ." There's been some interesting talk there lately.
>
Glenn
Cooper wrote:
> I
seem to have been unsubbed from this list. Haven't received a post in
>
three days. Could somebody please tell me (via private email) how I can
>
resubscribe?
>
>
Thanks.
>
>
Glenn C.
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Peace,
Bentz
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Sorry
I knew
it.
James
warned me.
But
anyway,
I still
blew it.
Back
channel, back channel, back channel
Is my
manta.
Bandwidth
wasted,
Sour
tasted,
Sorry.
:-)
--
Peace,
Bentz
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Glenn
Cooper wrote:
>
> I
seem to have been unsubbed from this list. Haven't received a post in
>
three days. Could somebody please tell me (via private email) how I can
>
resubscribe?
>
>
Thanks.
>
>
Glenn C.
i think
you send the e-mail to listserv@cunyvm.cuny.edu and put
subscribe
beat-l in the body text. if not...ask bill gargan. you might
add
your name and e-mail address as well.
later,
michael
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so i
was thinking....since new year's eve seems to be a valid excuse to party
all
night
(i was
looking up at the Arizona stars) and i says well if we all decided to
astral
project
simultaneously
to a star 100,000 light years from here we could reasonably have
100,000
days in a row of new year's eve parties.
see you in the stars everyone
have a
happy new year
david
rhaesa
somewhere
between Arizona and beta antares
R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
Leon wrote:
>
>
> I would like to find some very clever one liner, but all I can think of is
>
> wishes for a year full of Happiness Love and Peace for all of us.
>
>
>
> leon
>
>
>
Leon:
>
>
What could be more clever. Thanks and
the same to ya!
>
> --
>
>
Peace,
>
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw