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i was wondering if anyone can help me with this topic. i am supposed to

write a paper abpit communes, from the gender perspective, focusing

especially on upbringing of children in these communities, how they

adapt to 'ordinary' life afterwards and whether they regret having grown

up in such an envinronment. if you have any material on this, please

send it to me.

 

and, btw, i think that the poor alexander supertramp should be left to

rest in peace, and not be criticised so harshly. who knows how many of

us would survive under the same conditions.

 

ksenija

 

ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head

severed off two days ago?

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I agree with Dennis about the Iris Dement song that he mentions....terrific,

but expected given the high level of her first two albums (three?). I have

been strangely unmoved so far by the latest Dylan, but more listening to

come. I AM over the top on the newest Rory McLeod album, Dan Bern's latest

(which is the most bizaare Dylan sonification you'll ever hear!) and Chuck

Brodsky's "Lettres in the dirt"....solid, solid albums.

 

        Couldn't remember if I'd already mentioned the beat connection s in

several of Bern's songs...and McLeod is as Beat as you're gonna get...a

modern day Guthrie travelling the world fighting fascism with his guitar,

trombone(!), tap shoes and harmonica and the most amazing songs and singing.

 

        Antoine

 

 

>In a message dated 98-01-07 09:53:36 EST, Bill Gargan wrote:

><< I'll be really suprised if Dylan doesn't win. >>

>

>Bill,

>I agree that the new disc is his best in years, I love it...BUT in the folk

>category he's up against Guy Clark and Iris Dement.  If he loses to either of

>them...it'll be OK with me.  Guy's Keepers is NOT his best album, but Iris's

>nominated disc is so good one wonders how she can top it.  If you haven't

>heard "Living in the Wasteland of the Free", you have a rare treat in store.

>Buy it!  You won't be sorry.

>Dennis

>

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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Antoine Maloney wrote:

>

> I agree with Dennis about the Iris Dement song that he mentions....terrific,

> but expected given the high level of her first two albums (three?). I have

> been strangely unmoved so far by the latest Dylan, but more listening to

> come. I AM over the top on the newest Rory McLeod album, Dan Bern's latest

> (which is the most bizaare Dylan sonification you'll ever hear!) and Chuck

> Brodsky's "Lettres in the dirt"....solid, solid albums.

>

>         Couldn't remember if I'd already mentioned the beat connection s in

> several of Bern's songs...and McLeod is as Beat as you're gonna get...a

> modern day Guthrie travelling the world fighting fascism with his guitar,

> trombone(!), tap shoes and harmonica and the most amazing songs and singing.

>

>         Antoine

>

> >In a message dated 98-01-07 09:53:36 EST, Bill Gargan wrote:

> ><< I'll be really suprised if Dylan doesn't win. >>

> >

> >Bill,

> >I agree that the new disc is his best in years, I love it...BUT in the folk

> >category he's up against Guy Clark and Iris Dement.  If he loses to either of

> >them...it'll be OK with me.  Guy's Keepers is NOT his best album, but Iris's

> >nominated disc is so good one wonders how she can top it.  If you haven't

> >heard "Living in the Wasteland of the Free", you have a rare treat in store.

> >Buy it!  You won't be sorry.

> >Dennis

> >

>  Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>     "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

> cease to be amused."

 

the only criticism i have of Dylan's newest album is how many lines are

copies of things i've said and thought!!! <laughing>

 

david rhaesa

smolan, Kansas

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Hello Johan,

 

It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is ready

to do a reading in 'Frisco!  My wife and I enjoyed a pre-performance run

through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!

 

The photo you speak of (B/W w/Neal's head tilted) was indeed taken by Carolyn

Cassady in 1952.  It was on a previous edition of OTR put out by Viking prior

to the latest multicolored cover.  Can't help you with that particular photo

but another on the same roll taken at the same time is used as the cover of

The First Third.  We have that photo emblazoned on a Tee Shirt with Jack's

signature and the words "Adios King".  The shirt is heavy duty cotton in khaki

and the photo is tinted sepia.  Gorgeous product.

 

E-mail your snail mail address privately and we'll mail you our latest

catalog.  Yes, we ship all over the world.

 

 

Jerry Cimino

Fog City

www.kerouac.com

1-800-KER-OUAC

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Bigsurs4me wrote:

>

> Hello Johan,

>

> It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is ready

> to do a reading in 'Frisco!  My wife and I enjoyed a pre-performance run

> through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!

>

 

break a leg (or other body part) marie!!!!

 

david rhaesa

roxbury, Kansas

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This just popped up on the Burke-L.  I thought that some folks

interested in the WCW (not to be confused with WCW wrestling)

scholarship might be interested in it.

 

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Greetings (again),

 

I'd like to announce that the latest addition to Burke-L's Conference

Paper Repository is now online and availabe for your review:

 

"Tending to the Imagination: Perspective and Incongruity in William

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Williams Society at the recent Modern Language Association meeting in

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reactions.  The other papers presented at that session should be online

soon.

 

D.B.

 

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 ok, my response to the past coupla' threads....

 

 as far as folk music goes...the best modern folk artist i have heard is

Gerard McHugh, on his debut album "more than i". i bought it for 25

cents when my schools radio station was having a clearence (i ended up

buying 90 cds for 25 cents a piece...most of them are great)

 

 alexander supertramp...in regards to his death, i cannot think of a

more poetic way to die at this moment...

 as for his life...it seems his legacy is more in his death than his

life, that is sad to me, but those who admire the way he died most

likely would admire the way he lived more.

 

 also...

 who wrote, "the electric kool-aid acid test"?

 

thanks.

-julian

 

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In a message dated 98-01-08 00:33:45 EST, ksenija writes:

 

<< ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head

 severed off two days ago? >>

 

As if we didn't have reason enough for sorrow...i had not heard this one.  I'm

going to sit here, shake my head for awhile, wait to see if anger overtakes my

sadness, and decide whether or not to load my guns and stroll down to the post

office.

OK...More suffering...I really find this news devastating...but I promise not

to go postal.

Dennis

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I wondered if anyone could forward this note to RON.  thanks in advance.

 

race

 

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Ron,

 

I'd be interested in any critical commentary (destructive or

constructive) concerning the Firewalk manuscript.  I'm currently in the

process of revisions.  I'm centering on the Hospitalization in Saint

Joseph Missouri which is mentioned briefly with regard to Doc

Whitehead.  I'm wondering if you are any relation to a Whitehead who

debated for the University of Louisville in the early 1980s.

 

Last i heard from you, you were in the middle of mass liquidation of

artistic assets.  How are things now?  I hope well.

 

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>In a message dated 98-01-08 00:33:45 EST, ksenija writes:

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><< ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head

> severed off two days ago? >>

 

 

 did i miss something?

 little mermaid?

-julian

 

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Julian Ruck wrote:

>

>  also...

>  who wrote, "the electric kool-aid acid test"?

>

Tom Wolfe not to be confused with Thomas Wolf.  I realized I traded my

copy of TEKAAT to Eric Decker for a free trip to the Grateful Dead at

Soldier Field.  I miss that book sometimes.  I wonder if it was a good

trade.

 

race

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the new dylan thang is is great.

the most poetic way of dying is of an ripe old age after really living

ones own life.

I have started writing a book , a recurrence of dreams.

the central character is an outlaw hung for bludgening indian joe for

his shoes, haunting a house guiding a small child, alone and sweetly

into the days.  he recalls when he was hung by the good townspeople of

topeka that he felt that he had misstepped.  somber and sober in death

he led a life  he never enjoyed in life.  He and his brother was

originally from texas.  His brother was hung in texas a couple of years

after. thanks for all your responses on my list.  I found another pile

of books and photos in the storage room.  I go now

patricia

Julian Ruck wrote:

>

>  ok, my response to the past coupla' threads....

>

>  as far as folk music goes...the best modern folk artist i have heard is

> Gerard McHugh, on his debut album "more than i". i bought it for 25

> cents when my schools radio station was having a clearence (i ended up

> buying 90 cds for 25 cents a piece...most of them are great)

>

>  alexander supertramp...in regards to his death, i cannot think of a

> more poetic way to die at this moment...

>  as for his life...it seems his legacy is more in his death than his

> life, that is sad to me, but those who admire the way he died most

> likely would admire the way he lived more.

>

>  also...

>  who wrote, "the electric kool-aid acid test"?

>

> thanks.

> -julian

>

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In a message dated 98-01-08 08:24:40 EST, Julian wrote:

 

<< did i miss something? >>

 

YES!!!

Dennis

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Here's a little briefing on The Little Mermaid. HC Andersen wrote a

fairytale called The Little Mermaid and someone made an overly cute

little statue of The Little Mermaid and put IT on a rock in a harbour

in Copenhagen, Denmark, where also this mail was written. In 1964,

someone beheaded her the first time. Everybody knows it was a guy

called Joergebn Nash, a provo artist. Then it happened again a few

days ago, everybody's talking about it and it's a real big deal but

most people finds it really funny too. A radical feminist group took

responsibility but this is just a joke, nobody knows who and why yet.

 

Julian: You didn't miss anything. The mermaid was put there to look

out over the harbor for eternity or what would look like eternity,

half naked, legless with a sad fishtail drying out in the sun, her

small romantic, vane shoulders freezing in the winter. Millions of

cameras have taken pictures of her pitiful figure for no particular

reason other than it's what you sort of are supposed to do when you

get there, like eating discusting things in amusement parks and stupid

ice creams on the beach.

 

I used to walk in that area of the harbor and you know sometimes there

were five or six huge buses scattered around and an enormous crowd of

people flocking around the thing like bees around the queen and

sometimes it made me so, I don't know, like when you see a really

stupid tv SHOW, mostly it's funny.

 

It's a good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't

define here on the spot.

 

Johan

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In a message dated 98-01-08 08:49:56 EST, Johan writes:

<< It's a good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't

 define here on the spot. >>

 

Oh my God!  I can't understand this reaction.  I enjoy eating disgusting

things at amusement parks, I love stupid ice creams at the beach, and I can't

imagine any emotion other than affection for the little mermaid.  Something is

wrong.  The time is out of joint.

Dennis

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DCardKJHS wrote:

>

> In a message dated 98-01-08 08:49:56 EST, Johan writes:

> << It's a good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't

>  define here on the spot. >>

>

> Oh my God!  I can't understand this reaction.  I enjoy eating disgusting

> things at amusement parks,

 

my ex-wife and I once ate some disgusting paper entering DisneyLand in

Los Angeles.  Pirates of the Carribean was particularly surrrrrreal on

that journey.  Me and another guy nicknamed Cocoa-mix got in the rafters

on Tom Sawyer island and jumped down to scare people!

 

 

 

I love stupid ice creams at the beach, and I can't

> imagine any emotion other than affection for the little mermaid.  Something is

> wrong.  The time is out of joint.

> Dennis

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I can't believe this, you got it all wrong guys. If you didn't eat

disgusting things in amusement parks and silly ice creams on the

beach, my metaphor wouldn't work. So I had anticipated this, you don't

need to inform me elaborately on your... aheam... food habits.

 

I do, however, admire your great empathy for the little molested

honey-pie that we in a fit of cool, slow motion, indifferent

insaneness chose as the representative monument (ha, ha) of our

country. I have this vision of you all disillusioned, speachless,

wrapped in misty, choking grief, standing around the beheaded metal

shape mourning, I see it in quick-time, like the movie of the flower,

petals opening in just a few seconds, and you stand there while the

sun goes down and up again and the cold autumn wind rustling your hair

untill one of you say ooooooh, don't you just feel so POWERLESS to all

this evil? (time back to normal, *nice*, quick time gives me the

creeps) and the rest of you nod in serene agreement. You get hungry

and all have icecreams even though it's so cold and then, later you go

back to your countries, back here, somebody makes a copy of the head

and you all agree it's not the same and then gradually, neatly, you

dress the whole episode in see-through oblivion UNTIL THE DAY I GO TO

ELLIS ISLAND (ha he he he, evil laughter as irrelevant text rolls over

the screen)...

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Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

 

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i have to agree - she represents unrequited love and the willingness to

sacrifice everything for it - something that seems to afflict nearly

everyone at some point...

 

ciao, sherri

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>In a message dated 98-01-08 08:49:56 EST, Johan writes:

><< It's a good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't

> define here on the spot. >>

>

>Oh my God!  I can't understand this reaction.  I enjoy eating disgusting

>things at amusement parks, I love stupid ice creams at the beach, and I

can't

>imagine any emotion other than affection for the little mermaid.  Something

is

>wrong.  The time is out of joint.

>Dennis

>

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Date:         Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:37:46 -0800

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From: Ksenija Simic <xenias@EUNET.YU>

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Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 9:40 PM

Subject: life in the communes

 

 

>i was wondering if anyone can help me with this topic. i am supposed to

>write a paper abpit communes, from the gender perspective, focusing

>especially on upbringing of children in these communities, how they

>adapt to 'ordinary' life afterwards and whether they regret having grown

>up in such an envinronment. if you have any material on this, please

>send it to me.

>

I suppose the topic may be of some interest to the list, dealing as it does

with the spiritual children of the beats, even if to some they are a wayward

branch of the family.

 

My son Ari Christopher barely qualifies since he lived only the first three

months of his life at the Flower Farm, our commune in La Selva Beach, a few

miles south of Santa Cruz, California. He doesn't remember life there, but

feels quite proud of the fact that he was born there (in 1970).

 

My daughter Ramah Kim lived there two years from age one to three.  She

still carries a few very fond memories of her life there, and our  ideals of

those days  continue to inspire her. She is doing remarkably well in her

life, is engaged to a wonderful young man Peter Fox. If you are interested

you can see their picture on a page put up in Bohemian Ink.

http://www.levity.com/corduroy/journals/tabory.htm

 

 I feel very blessed as a father.  If you have more specific questions,

let's correspond back channell.

 

leon

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<snip> >"estate" controversy)

 

>*******

>Jeff Taylor

>taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

>*******

 

     To quote Monty Python:  "He said the word, he said the word"

 

     Again, to quote Monty Python:  "Please don't say that word"

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt

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>Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

>

>j grant

>

 

We can only hope...

 

-Greg

 

 

 

 

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If you have missed James' post and wonder about this, marie countryman will

read her poetry tonight 7 - 9 pm at the

 

Polk and Beans  Cafe

1733 Polk Street, San Francisco

415-776-9292

 

Sherri, James, Jim Gardner, myself and my good friend  San Francisco poet

Q.R. Hand will be there. His reading of marie's Psycho-Bureaucratic Rant

rendered into jazz had us all spellbound.

 

Here is marie:

 

i'll be reading the lastest and last version of In Somnia, which qr hand was

most helpful in a short afternoon of readings and writings. i'll be glad to

post the new version on the list after i return home.

looks like it's going to be a lot of fun!

mc

 

 

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Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:17 PM

Subject: Marie

 

 

>Bigsurs4me wrote:

>>

>> Hello Johan,

>>

>> It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is

ready

>> to do a reading in 'Frisco!  My wife and I enjoyed a pre-performance run

>> through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!

>>

>

>break a leg (or other body part) marie!!!!

>

>david rhaesa

>roxbury, Kansas

>

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jo grant wrote:

 

> Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

>

> j grant

 

We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the slopes,

I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

 

-E

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> Tom Wolfe not to be confused with Thomas Wolf.  I realized I traded my

>

> copy of TEKAAT to Eric Decker for a free trip to the Grateful Dead at

> Soldier Field.  I miss that book sometimes.  I wonder if it was a good

>

> trade.

>

> race

 

Sounds like a good trade to me.  The book seems a little easier to

replace.

 

-E

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Who gives the WCW scholarship, or where can I get more info on it?

Scott

 

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This just popped up on the Burke-L.  I thought that some folks

interested in the WCW (not to be confused with WCW wrestling)

scholarship might be interested in it.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

 << Message: New Addition to Burke-L's Repository >>

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Would you really wish that fate on anyone???

Laurel

 

 

 

---Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:

>

> jo grant wrote:

>

> > Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

> >

> > j grant

>

> We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the

slopes,

> I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

>

> -E

>

 

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>jo grant wrote:

>

>> Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

>>

>> j grant

>

>We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the slopes,

>I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

>

>-E

 

You guys sound just like those mean spirited republicans I always hear about.

 

Just because Helms and Gingrich are too liberal for you you act like you

want them to die.

 

You right wingers need to grow up.

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Wish in one hand, ____ in the other, see which fills up the fastest. I

don't make wishes; however, I'll go on record and state that I would not

grieve if either of those chicken ____ thugs wiped-out on the slopes.

j grant

 

>Would you really wish that fate on anyone???

>Laurel

>

>

>

>---Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:

>>

>> jo grant wrote:

>>

>> > Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

>> >

>> > j grant

>>

>> We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the

>slopes,

>> I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

>>

>> -E

>>

>

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RIGHT ON JOE!!!  <getting a great laugh>  ciao, sherri

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>Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

>

>j grant

>

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i figger if i fall on my head, that will minimize the damage! thanks,

dave. i'll write ya all about it, guys, once i recover (ha). it will be

a nice evening with as many folks as i've met out here as possible. what

could go wrong with all that positive energy?

mc

 

>>break a leg (or other body part) marie!!!!

>

>david rhaesa

>roxbury, Kansas

>

 

 

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jo grant wrote:

>

> Wish in one hand, ____ in the other, see which fills up the fastest. I

> don't make wishes; however, I'll go on record and state that I would not

> grieve if either of those chicken ____ thugs wiped-out on the slopes.

> j grant

>

> >Would you really wish that fate on anyone???

> >Laurel

> >

> >

> >

> >---Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:

> >>

> >> jo grant wrote:

> >>

> >> > Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

> >> >

> >> > j grant

> >>

> >> We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the

> >slopes,

> >> I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

> >>

> >> -E

> >>

> >

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The BLANK is filled in with a chickenheartedJayhawkwing and Teryaki

sauce

 

david rhaesa

brookville, Kansas

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 i would like to vote for the elimination of all things circus food, and

ice-cream on benches should be reserved for the elderly and little

children who get it all over there face, like everyone else manages to

do...

 it looks ridiculus when a grown person gets ice-cream sandwich on a new

set of clothes...

 truly...it is nothing but a hazard to your person i suppose..

 in loving mockery of the american dream,

 -julian

 

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jack kerouac  bright lights   the van in the morning

who describe  small city in   stopped the door and i

d himself as  1953 when i w   smell the fresh bread

a strange so  as a young st   and the meadows had fl

litary crazy  ory of my lif   ash of lightning and r

catholic mys  e and cechov    aymond carver was too

tic                           young to write poetry

 

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At 21.53 07/01/98 -0500, Bentz wrote:

>Boys keep chasing girls to get a kiss

>

>And the beat goes on

>

>Men keep marching off to war

>

>And the beat goes on.

>

>Was Sonny Bono beat?

>

>The Charleston was once the rage uh huh?

>

>And the Beat goes on.

>

>No, but the Vanilla Fudge were.

>

>--

>

>Peace,

>

>Bentz

>bocelts@scsn.net

>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

>

&

allen ginsberg writes in the poem ECOLOGUE (fall 1970)

(...)

i.e. Police control Cities, not Mayors or philosophers -

(...)

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 personally...i am on your side...

 and i HATE ice-cream in the cold...

  also...

 i don't like it when people say "un-thaw"...like they are going to

"un-thaw" the meat...

 to you, that may seem like an entirely different thing than that which

you are refering to, but in my mind they are connected in some pre-womb

state of hilarious behavior...

 -julian

 

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Laurie Hutchinson wrote:

 

> Would you really wish that fate on anyone???

> Laurel

>

 

No,  of course not.  It was meant in jest,  albeit a bit off-taste.

 

For all I know,  Newt and Jesse are two great guys,  a real Sal and Dean

of the right-wing set.  Although Jesse is fundamentally opposed to Carlo

Marx.  I'm just a little offended by their politics.  Nothing personal.

 

I'm a Dharma Ski Bum who knows it's not that dangerous in the trees.

You just gotta use a little caution.  Statistically,  I'm much more

likely to die while driving to the ski area.

 

-E

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Hi this is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not really a

Beat more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want, what

the hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and

forget it all.

 

Just hanging around for a while

Jim"The old Hippie"

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James F. Wood 253-7886 wrote:

>

> Hi this is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not really a

> Beat more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want, what

> the hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and

> forget it all.

>

> Just hanging around for a while

> Jim"The old Hippie"

 

Howdy Jim

My Daddy's name is Jim.

He once sang:

"If I was King of the World I'd throw away the Bars"

BUT:

he never wooduv thrown away the good ole V.F.W.

 

david rhaesa

#23

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Date:         Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:19:07 -0800

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@EMAIL.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: My first time

 

why should we flame for being a human being, Jim.  welcome aboard!!!  hope

you'll enjoy our crazy, wonderful, beatific group.

 

ciao, sherri

-----Original Message-----

From: James F. Wood 253-7886 <WOODJ@MAIL.FIRN.EDU>

To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 11:28 AM

Subject: My first time

 

 

Hi this is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not really a

Beat more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want, what

the hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and

forget it all.

 

Just hanging around for a while

Jim"The old Hippie"

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At 10:04 PM 1/7/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:

 

>The research of Bettleheim (i believe it was) on the

>concentration camp victims associating with the

>values of the guards seems to correlate

>with these notions.

 

1943 Bettelheim article titled "Individual and Mass Behavior

in Extreme Situations."  Didn't Bruno kill himself

in recent yrs?

 

Mike

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M. Cakebread wrote:

>

> At 10:04 PM 1/7/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:

>

> >The research of Bettleheim (i believe it was) on the

> >concentration camp victims associating with the

> >values of the guards seems to correlate

> >with these notions.

>

> 1943 Bettelheim article titled "Individual and Mass Behavior

> in Extreme Situations."  Didn't Bruno kill himself

> in recent yrs?

>

> Mike

 

i don't know if he kicked the bucket or not.

i have "Men are not Ants" (or Aunts) 1960 [the year i was conceived] and

"Freud and Man's Soul" 1982 on my shelf.

 

race

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To "Old Hippie" Jim:  Hang in there, this is my first time too.  We all have

to start somewhere, hopefully as Ginsberg says, we will get "mystical visions

and cosmic vibrations" From an other "Old Hippie" named Jim....

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Hey everybody, this is my second day as a recipient of this list and so far

I think that it is a wonderful thing.  The reason that I got into all of

this Beat Culture is because of a college course that I am taking.  My class

is called "America Once Magik" and is a wonderful opportunity to learn about

jazz, poetry, literature, and most importantly, the lives and minds of

people as great as Kerouac and Ginsberg.  Anyway, I really enjoy this list

and some of the information has been really helpful in understanding things

in class.  Thanks!

 

*jodie*

 

"Those who can't find anything to live for

 always invent something to die for.

 

 Then they want the rest of us to

 die for it, too."

 

                - Lew Whelch

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At 05:21 AM 1/8/98 PST, you wrote:

>>From owner-beat-l@cunyvm.cuny.edu Thu Jan  8 05:19:05 1998

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>>Subject:      Re: life in the communes

>>To:           BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>>

>>In a message dated 98-01-08 00:33:45 EST, ksenija writes:

>>

>><< ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head

>> severed off two days ago? >>

>

>

> did i miss something?

> little mermaid?

>-julian

>

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Who is the little mermaid, is that the Disney character?

 

Mike Rice

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At 08:16 AM 1/8/98 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 98-01-08 00:33:45 EST, ksenija writes:

>

><< ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head

> severed off two days ago? >>

>

>As if we didn't have reason enough for sorrow...i had not heard this one.

I'm

>going to sit here, shake my head for awhile, wait to see if anger

overtakes my

>sadness, and decide whether or not to load my guns and stroll down to the

post

>office.

>OK...More suffering...I really find this news devastating...but I promise not

>to go postal.

>Dennis

>

>

Get real, Ksenija, you can't go postal unless you ARE a postal worker.

Arming yourself and going to your PO Box won't do.  Its the bureaucracy

and frustration of working for the Post Office, that leads to the

smashups in the backroom at the PO.  We just had a great one in Milwaukee

a few weeks ago.  The only more likely place for gunplay is McDonalds,

but if Burger King keeps improving its sandwiches, the franchise could

switch there any day.

 

Mike Rice

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mike rice wrote:

>

> >

> Who is the little mermaid, is that the Disney character?

>

> Mike Rice

 

which came first Darryl Hannah or the Disney character and why did DH

cross Ellis Island?

 

race

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At 02:39 PM 1/8/98 -0600, you wrote:

>M. Cakebread wrote:

>>

>> At 10:04 PM 1/7/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:

>>

>> >The research of Bettleheim (i believe it was) on the

>> >concentration camp victims associating with the

>> >values of the guards seems to correlate

>> >with these notions.

>>

>> 1943 Bettelheim article titled "Individual and Mass Behavior

>> in Extreme Situations."  Didn't Bruno kill himself

>> in recent yrs?

>>

>> Mike

>

>i don't know if he kicked the bucket or not.

>i have "Men are not Ants" (or Aunts) 1960 [the year i was conceived] and

>"Freud and Man's Soul" 1982 on my shelf.

>

>race

>

>Yes, he was in a nursing home in Maryland when he decided to chuck

everything and commit suicide.  A brother of a young child put in

Bettelheim's control in the sixties wrote an angry book suggesting

the concentration camp survivor was a secret sadist who beat children

and ran his supposedly enlightened children's institute like Dickens'

blacking factory with a torture chamber overlay.  I heard the guy

on public radio. Bettelheim was dead of plastic bag over the head

and sleeping pills, but the Brother was still angry at the treatment

of his younger brother, and the arrogance he had encountered while

visiting the author of a book about the use of Fairytales in child

rearing, at the children's institute in Chicago.  It developed that

Bettelheim had also lied about his academic credentials and was

something of a fraud.  I saw Bettelheim on Dick Cavett years ago

talking about the Fairy Tale book.

 

Mike Rice

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

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What school do you go to? Just curious...

 

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Jodie R Gardner wrote:

 

> Hey everybody, this is my second day as a recipient of this list and so far

> I think that it is a wonderful thing.  The reason that I got into all of

> this Beat Culture is because of a college course that I am taking.  My class

> is called "America Once Magik" and is a wonderful opportunity to learn about

> jazz, poetry, literature, and most importantly, the lives and minds of

> people as great as Kerouac and Ginsberg.  Anyway, I really enjoy this list

> and some of the information has been really helpful in understanding things

> in class.  Thanks!

>

> *jodie*

>

> "Those who can't find anything to live for

>  always invent something to die for.

>

>  Then they want the rest of us to

>  die for it, too."

>

>                 - Lew Whelch

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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I attend Doane College, in Nebraska.  I do believe that the only reason that

 this

class is offered is because it is something that is very important to my

professor.  My professor plays jazz and reads Beat literature for fun, because

 he

believes in it, not because it is his job to teach it.  As a matter of fact, his

job is to teach Philosophy and Ethics.  The class is so open and I love it more

than any other class I have taken thus far.  Thanks for asking.

Oh, by the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it contains many

examples from the greatest writers.  If anyone has some great quotes that they

strongly feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some great uses

 for

them.

 

*jodie*

 

"You can't fix it.  You can't make it go away.

    I don't know what you're going to do about it,

But I know what I'm going to do about it.  I'm just

    going to walk away from it. Maybe

A small part of it will die if I'm not around

 

    feeding it anymore."

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This is a poem that I have to read in class.  Please give me your

comments on whether you think this poem is crap or not, I can't decide

whether to use this one or a different one that I have written.

 

"lost within"

 

We occur and then vanish

    without a second look

The chains that surround us

    are by our own design

We built the empire

    that closes in around us

Our creation is now so strong

    and can no way be destroyed

Our actions developed evil

    these demons we must now accept

The structures that withhold us

    are merely what's inside

 

                        - Jodie R.

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>From:         Laurie Hutchinson <laurel555@YAHOO.COM>

>Subject:      Re: Kennedy and Bono

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>

>Would you really wish that fate on anyone???

>Laurel

>

>

>

>---Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:

>>

>> jo grant wrote:

>>

>> > Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

>> >

>> > j grant

>>

>> We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the

>slopes,

>> I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

>>

>> -E

>>

>

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>

 a death after spending a life involved in contraversy after

contraversy, drugs, illegal acts, and politics? yes. i wouldn't want to

live like that.... not to mention the other guy...sony bono...

*wicked smirk*

-julian

 

 

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>From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

>Subject:      Re: Kennedy and Bono

>To:           BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>

>>jo grant wrote:

>>

>>> Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

>>>

>>> j grant

>>

>>We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the

slopes,

>>I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

>>

>>-E

>

>You guys sound just like those mean spirited republicans I always hear

about.

>

>Just because Helms and Gingrich are too liberal for you you act like

you

>want them to die.

>

>You right wingers need to grow up.

>

wait...

gingrich is liberal?

check again...

-julian

 

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>From:         "James F. Wood 253-7886" <WOODJ@MAIL.FIRN.EDU>

>Subject:      My first time

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>

>Hi this is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not

really a

>Beat more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want,

what

>the hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and

>forget it all.

>

>Just hanging around for a while

>Jim"The old Hippie"

>

*extending hand*

well met my friend

-julian

 

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>From:         Jodie R Gardner <JGardner@DOANE.EDU>

>Subject:      Re: another newcomer...

>To:           BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>

>I attend Doane College, in Nebraska.  I do believe that the only reason

that

> this

>class is offered is because it is something that is very important to

my

>professor.  My professor plays jazz and reads Beat literature for fun,

because

> he

>believes in it, not because it is his job to teach it.  As a matter of

fact, his

>job is to teach Philosophy and Ethics.  The class is so open and I love

it more

>than any other class I have taken thus far.  Thanks for asking.

>Oh, by the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it

contains many

>examples from the greatest writers.  If anyone has some great quotes

that they

>strongly feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some

great uses

> for

>them.

>

>*jodie*

>

>"You can't fix it.  You can't make it go away.

>    I don't know what you're going to do about it,

>But I know what I'm going to do about it.  I'm just

>    going to walk away from it. Maybe

>A small part of it will die if I'm not around

>

>    feeding it anymore."

>

jodie...

go to my homepage..i have a lot of quotes there...

even a few of my own making...

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/Solace

ignore all the rest...i haven't had time to change it all since i've

changed my mind on some of the topics i had fervently attested to in the

past...

 

-julian

 

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At 05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:

 

>It developed that Bettelheim had also lied about

>his academic credentials and was something of a

>fraud.  I saw Bettelheim on Dick Cavett years ago

>talking about the Fairy Tale book.

 

_The Empty Fortress_  has always been a book I've

had to read with a "pound" of salt.    The statement,

"my belief that the precipitating factor in infantile

autism is the parent's wish that his child should

not exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer

to him as "Brutal" Bettelheim.

 

Mike

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Date:         Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:53:30 -0600

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Julian :  Thanks for the info!  You are the greatest!

 

*jodie*

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      list postings

 

Just a reminder to everyone that if you snip or summarize a long message

rather than repeat it, it saves all of us a little time.  Also, it's

important to check the subject header to make sure that the message

you're posting is indeed aboutthe subject listed in the header.

Listmembers should be able to look at the subject header and delete

those threads that have on interest for them.  If you look at thread

that says Coppola's On The Road and the message turns out to be about

the Titanic, it can give you a real sinking feeling.  (Sorry, I couldn't

resist.)

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ksenija

 

ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head

severed off two days ago?

Do you mean to say that you think of our poor headless mermaid as a BEAT ???

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In a message dated 1/8/98 1:43:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,

mrice@CENTURYINTER.NET writes:

 

<< Get real, Ksenija, you can't go postal unless you ARE a postal worker.

 Arming yourself and going to your PO Box won't do.  Its the bureaucracy

 and frustration of working for the Post Office, that leads to the

 smashups in the backroom at the PO.  We just had a great one in Milwaukee

 a few weeks ago.  The only more likely place for gunplay is McDonalds,

 but if Burger King keeps improving its sandwiches, the franchise could

 switch there any day. >>

Mike,

Don't hang that rap on Ksenija, I posted thoughts of going postal after

reading his newsflash.  BTW, does "getting Medieval on your ass" mean that I

have to pour boiling oil on you from the battlements, or has the meaning

become more generalized with years of usage?

Dennis

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At the bookstore tonight and while purchasing the Knights' _Kerouac & the

Beats_ the assistant showed me this new book by Jan Kramer (I think).

>From flipping through, it looks like a biography of sorts.  Does anyone

out there know anything about this book?  Schtick?  Good/bad?  It seems to

be just published, though it is a mostly remainder book store so new is

always relative.

 

------------------

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kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

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Date:         Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:48:26 +0000

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this is my first post to a listserv group, so i hope i'm doing this ok.

 

please let me know if somethings amiss.

 

'ginsberg in america' by jane kramer was, i think the first beat bio,

done in 68

 

jan kramer, as i recall wrote a couple of post beat slice of life books

in the late 60s early 70s, but i only recall looking thru them at a

bookstore

 

tkc

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i've been working for several years on a biography of neal cassady and

am interested in hearing from anyone who knew mr cassady.

 

thanks

 

tom christopher

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From:         David Bruce Rhaesa <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Rejected posting to BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

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L-Soft list server at The City University of NY (1.8c) wrote:

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> more propaganda about the Creative Intelligence Agency and Cocaine can

> be found at my pal postmodern Ben's Website

> <http://speech.csun.edu/ben/news/cia/index.html>.  it was apparently

> just updated today as i got the memo from the soft machine.

>

> snailpace

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M. Cakebread wrote:

>

> At 05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:

>

> >It developed that Bettelheim had also lied about

> >his academic credentials and was something of a

> >fraud.  I saw Bettelheim on Dick Cavett years ago

> >talking about the Fairy Tale book.

>

> _The Empty Fortress_  has always been a book I've

> had to read with a "pound" of salt.    The statement,

> "my belief that the precipitating factor in infantile

> autism is the parent's wish that his child should

> not exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer

> to him as "Brutal" Bettelheim.

>

> Mike

 

I must admit that the Beatific/Brutality difficulty in BB's work is

difficult it is best read listening to BB King.

 

i also must admit that i've "Accidentally<smile>" altered B.G.S. degree

to B.A. degree on a resume here or there.  And i rarely include my time

as Presbyterian Word Processor for Rolling Hills Pres in Johnson County

Kansas.  And the time as back-up janitor and LAWNMOWER boy at SUNRISE

PRESBY are almost always lies of omission as well.  The truth will set

you free but it won't necessarily destroy Barry Commoner's POVERTY OF

POWER notions concerning of the SECOND LAW of THERMODYNAMICS (especially

when watching WCWNITRO on TNT or THUNDER on TBS.

 

well enough admissions back to watching space jam and reviewing a

discussion of EITHER/OR in questions of competitiveness from my Days at

AUGUSTANA under NOW DEAN SNOWBALL (same dude as in ANIMAL FARM guys!)

 

LaterGator

spacey racey

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Marie

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>Bigsurs4me wrote:

>>

>> Hello Johan,

>>

>> It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is

>>ready

>> to do a reading in 'Frisco!  My wife and I enjoyed a pre-performance run

>> through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!

 

Hey Marie,

A poem for all.

And break a skylight.

j grant

 

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From:         David Bruce Rhaesa <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      THE BALLAD OF IRA HAYES

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it has a beat

 

does anybody know the lyrics?

does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?

does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?

is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?

 

trivia questions?

 

pandur

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Date:         Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:42:01 -0500

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: For Boston-area Beats!

In-Reply-To:  <1.5.4.32.19980107212736.006bd8e4@pop.pipeline.com>

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>If you're in the Boston Area tonight, broadcasting from Boston University,

>(WBOR  at 90.9 FM) there is an hour-long interview with David Amram and John

>Suiter about Jack Kerouac. Check it out if you can! The Kerouac Quarterly

>will highlight parts of the interview on the web page in the near future.

>

>

>   http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html

>

>                                    Take care, Paul of TKQ....

>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>                                           Henry David Thoreau

 

Arrived at this late, but I think it's WBUR. Or at least it was....

 

j grant

 

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Date:         Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:41:42 +0000

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

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As the first one back to my computer I am glad to report that Marie read

wonderfully and the entire list should be proud of her.  Those of us lucky

enough to be there also got to hear some wonderful reading by QR Hand.

 

Thanks to Leon himself for making the whole thing happen.

 

Jame Stauffer

 

Leon Tabory wrote:

 

> If you have missed James' post and wonder about this, marie countryman will

> read her poetry tonight 7 - 9 pm at the

>

> Polk and Beans  Cafe

> 1733 Polk Street, San Francisco

> 415-776-9292

>

> Sherri, James, Jim Gardner, myself and my good friend  San Francisco poet

> Q.R. Hand will be there. His reading of marie's Psycho-Bureaucratic Rant

> rendered into jazz had us all spellbound.

>

> Here is marie:

>

> i'll be reading the lastest and last version of In Somnia, which qr hand was

> most helpful in a short afternoon of readings and writings. i'll be glad to

> post the new version on the list after i return home.

> looks like it's going to be a lot of fun!

> mc

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Date:         Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:44:57 +0000

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Well Pandur,

 

You got me, and I lived in Eugene for years.

 

James Stauffer

 

David Bruce Rhaesa wrote:

 

> it has a beat

>

> does anybody know the lyrics?

> does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?

> does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?

> is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?

>

> trivia questions?

>

> pandur

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jo grant wrote:

>

> >Bigsurs4me wrote:

> >>

> >> Hello Johan,

> >>

> >> It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is

> >>ready

> >> to do a reading in 'Frisco!  My wife and I enjoyed a pre-performance run

> >> through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!

>

> Hey Marie,

> A poem for all.

> And break a skylight.

> j grant

>

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NO BREAKING if its is a GREY ROOM!

NO BREAKING if it is a GRAY ROM

And i heard a rumour that the own of the establishment was gonna collect

the FIRE INSURANCE this evening.  The SFARSONSQUAD IS ON ALERT.

 

pandur

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hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to

many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my

reading  went well: i was geared up for the newest version of 'insomnia

quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,

as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and

by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR

as well.

it's tired and my mind is fried.

more to come

thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.

mc

 

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marie countyman wrote:

>

> hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to

> many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my

> reading  went well: i was geared up for the newest version of 'insomnia

> quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,

> as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and

> by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR

> as well.

> it's tired and my mind is fried.

> more to come

> thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.

> mc

>

> ______________________________________________________

> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

 

I heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE BIG TIME!!!!!!

 

citizen caine

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Date:         Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:41:42 -0500

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From:         mike rice <mrice@CENTURYINTER.NET>

Subject:      Re: THE BALLAD OF IRA HAYES

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At 01:35 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

>it has a beat

>

>does anybody know the lyrics?

>does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?

>does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?

>is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?

>

>trivia questions?

>

>pandur

>

>

 

Call him drunken Ira Hayes

He don't answer anymore

Not the Whiskey-drinkin' indian

nor the marine that went to war

 

 

Thats the chorus, the version I get this from

is Johnny Cash's version on the back of which

is an even greater song, "Bad News."

 

Bad News Travels Like Wildfire,

Good News travels slow,

they all call me wildfire,

'cause everybody knows,

that I'm Bad News,

Everywhere I go.

Always Gettin' in trouble

and hurtin' little girls that hate to see me go!

(hurtin' might be cheatin')

 

There is a lot of Cash voice-over in the

version which came along about the same time as

a film about Hayes, starring Tony Curtis, in 1965;

I think the film was called The Outsider

 

"He died drunk in a ditch one night,

a whiskey soaked gully  a grave for Ira Hayes."

 

(This last line is not for sure, close though)

 

The Ira Hayes song is laced with melodramatic

pathos.  My friends and I used to sing it out

loud for laughs, because the lyrics are

beyond belief.

 

Mike Rice

 

Would anyone be interested in Larry Verne's

Please Mr. Custer!

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Date:         Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:01:48 -0600

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mike rice wrote:

>

> At 01:35 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

> >it has a beat

> >

> >does anybody know the lyrics?

> >does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?

> >does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?

> >is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?

> >

> >trivia questions?

> >

> >pandur

> >

> >

>

> Call him drunken Ira Hayes

> He don't answer anymore

> Not the Whiskey-drinkin' indian

> nor the marine that went to war

>

> Thats the chorus, the version I get this from

> is Johnny Cash's version on the back of which

> is an even greater song, "Bad News."

>

> Bad News Travels Like Wildfire,

> Good News travels slow,

> they all call me wildfire,

> 'cause everybody knows,

> that I'm Bad News,

> Everywhere I go.

> Always Gettin' in trouble

> and hurtin' little girls that hate to see me go!

> (hurtin' might be cheatin')

>

> There is a lot of Cash voice-over in the

> version which came along about the same time as

> a film about Hayes, starring Tony Curtis, in 1965;

> I think the film was called The Outsider

>

> "He died drunk in a ditch one night,

> a whiskey soaked gully  a grave for Ira Hayes."

>

> (This last line is not for sure, close though)

>

> The Ira Hayes song is laced with melodramatic

> pathos.  My friends and I used to sing it out

> loud for laughs, because the lyrics are

> beyond belief.

>

> Mike Rice

>

> Would anyone be interested in Larry Verne's

> Please Mr. Custer!

 

AH!

BUT:

Dylan's Version on Columbia uses INJUN rather than Indian.  There are

two theories in this regard.  One is that he was influenced by the

railroad ENGINE imagery misting off Kerouac's GRAVE, the other is that

he was trying to provide a link to INJUN JO in MARK TWAIN'S TOM SAWYER.

Nobody knows for sure.

 

Huck Finn watching my WAKE

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marie countyman wrote:

>

> hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to

> many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my

> reading  went well: i was geared up for the newest version of 'insomnia

> quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,

> as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and

> by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR

> as well.

> it's tired and my mind is fried.

> more to come

> thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.

> mc

>

> ______________________________________________________

> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

 

More seriously MARIE.  It is wonderful in my view for someone named

Country Man named MARIE to get a GREAT GIG.  As we all sing sometimes in

the Elevators from GOODNIGHT IRENE, "Sometimes I LIVE IN THE CUNT-TREE

SOMETIMES I LIVE IN TOWN SOMETIMES I GET A GREAT NOTION TO JUMP IN a

lake.

 

d

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At 12:53 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

>M. Cakebread wrote:

>>

>> At 05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:

>>

>> >It developed that Bettelheim had also lied about

>> >his academic credentials and was something of a

>> >fraud.  I saw Bettelheim on Dick Cavett years ago

>> >talking about the Fairy Tale book.

>>

>> _The Empty Fortress_  has always been a book I've

>> had to read with a "pound" of salt.    The statement,

>> "my belief that the precipitating factor in infantile

>> autism is the parent's wish that his child should

>> not exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer

>> to him as "Brutal" Bettelheim.

>>

>> Mike

>

>I must admit that the Beatific/Brutality difficulty in BB's work is

>difficult it is best read listening to BB King.

>

>i also must admit that i've "Accidentally<smile>" altered B.G.S. degree

>to B.A. degree on a resume here or there.  And i rarely include my time

>as Presbyterian Word Processor for Rolling Hills Pres in Johnson County

>Kansas.  And the time as back-up janitor and LAWNMOWER boy at SUNRISE

>PRESBY are almost always lies of omission as well.  The truth will set

>you free but it won't necessarily destroy Barry Commoner's POVERTY OF

>POWER notions concerning of the SECOND LAW of THERMODYNAMICS (especially

>when watching WCWNITRO on TNT or THUNDER on TBS.

>

>well enough admissions back to watching space jam and reviewing a

>discussion of EITHER/OR in questions of competitiveness from my Days at

>AUGUSTANA under NOW DEAN SNOWBALL (same dude as in ANIMAL FARM guys!)

>

>LaterGator

>spacey racey

>

>

Well, you know I use to empty the wastebaskets at a downtown

business, and made beds for the Officer's Valet Service at

nearby Ft. McCoy, before spending time as a beertender and

gas jockey, all before age 20.

 

Its alright with me on the condition you didn't carve that

b.g.s. from a GED in the first place, before you then

transformed it into a b.s.  What the hell does b.g.s. stand

for, anyway, bag of gas.

 

Mike Rice

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mike rice wrote:

>

> At 12:53 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

> >M. Cakebread wrote:

> >>

> >> At 05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:

> >>

> >> >It developed that Bettelheim had also lied about

> >> >his academic credentials and was something of a

> >> >fraud.  I saw Bettelheim on Dick Cavett years ago

> >> >talking about the Fairy Tale book.

> >>

> >> _The Empty Fortress_  has always been a book I've

> >> had to read with a "pound" of salt.    The statement,

> >> "my belief that the precipitating factor in infantile

> >> autism is the parent's wish that his child should

> >> not exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer

> >> to him as "Brutal" Bettelheim.

> >>

> >> Mike

> >

> >I must admit that the Beatific/Brutality difficulty in BB's work is

> >difficult it is best read listening to BB King.

> >

> >i also must admit that i've "Accidentally<smile>" altered B.G.S. degree

> >to B.A. degree on a resume here or there.  And i rarely include my time

> >as Presbyterian Word Processor for Rolling Hills Pres in Johnson County

> >Kansas.  And the time as back-up janitor and LAWNMOWER boy at SUNRISE

> >PRESBY are almost always lies of omission as well.  The truth will set

> >you free but it won't necessarily destroy Barry Commoner's POVERTY OF

> >POWER notions concerning of the SECOND LAW of THERMODYNAMICS (especially

> >when watching WCWNITRO on TNT or THUNDER on TBS.

> >

> >well enough admissions back to watching space jam and reviewing a

> >discussion of EITHER/OR in questions of competitiveness from my Days at

> >AUGUSTANA under NOW DEAN SNOWBALL (same dude as in ANIMAL FARM guys!)

> >

> >LaterGator

> >spacey racey

> >

> >

> Well, you know I use to empty the wastebaskets at a downtown

> business, and made beds for the Officer's Valet Service at

> nearby Ft. McCoy, before spending time as a beertender and

> gas jockey, all before age 20.

>

> Its alright with me on the condition you didn't carve that

> b.g.s. from a GED in the first place, before you then

> transformed it into a b.s.  What the hell does b.g.s. stand

> for, anyway, bag of gas.

>

> Mike Rice

 

bachelor of general studies searching for a practically purrrrfect MATE!

 

DR

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From:         Johan Gotthardt Olsen <johan@DARWIN.KI.KU.DK>

Subject:      Enter: The Big Drool

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In 'comment' to Julian's "un-thaw" aversions.

 

In the center of Copenhagen is this walking street and the stones

there feel nice to walk on on summer nights from one bar to another

and you have all the space you want, feels that way - but during the

day the street is so full of people and reading your letter made me

remember them and see them (don't yell at me with accusations of

unjust generalisations, you know... aheam, well:) walk, bobbling or

jerky, out of control (if you'll pardon me the expression) and I am

sickeningly aware of the feeling of touching the deep, white sock

marks and knowing about their sweaty, lazy, sleeping crotch makes me

tear my skin off or something and the REASON for all this distress and

arrogance on my part is that at the same time I want to wrap my arms

around each and every one and say "wooo, it's ok, it's ok..... there,

there, I love you and it's true and tell me about the dreams you had

when you were 15, 16.... tell me about where it went wrong, where your

hopes became such a joke, we both know hope, don't we!".

 

They found the head, the mermaid head, by the way.

 

Johan

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At 03:47 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

>marie countyman wrote:

>>

>> hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to

>> many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my

>> reading  went well: i was geared up for the newest version of 'insomnia

>> quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,

>> as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and

>> by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR

>> as well.

>> it's tired and my mind is fried.

>> more to come

>> thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.

>> mc

>>

>> ______________________________________________________

>> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>

>I heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE BIG TIME!!!!!!

>

>citizen caine

>

>

"And the tow rope.  I would have proved it beyond a shadow of

a doubt if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action.  The

strawberries in the wardroom were a reality .  When the crew

began to talk behind my back, that's when someone carelessly left

the tow rope attached.., And old yellowstains, they called me that...,

 

Of course, trying to remember these matters from memory is difficult.

If you have questions,  I'll try to answer them one by one."

 

John Foster Caine

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At 05:01 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

>mike rice wrote:

>>

>> At 01:35 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

>> >it has a beat

>> >

>> >does anybody know the lyrics?

>> >does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?

>> >does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?

>> >is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?

>> >

>> >trivia questions?

>> >

>> >pandur

>> >

>> >

>>

>> Call him drunken Ira Hayes

>> He don't answer anymore

>> Not the Whiskey-drinkin' indian

>> nor the marine that went to war

>>

>> Thats the chorus, the version I get this from

>> is Johnny Cash's version on the back of which

>> is an even greater song, "Bad News."

>>

>> Bad News Travels Like Wildfire,

>> Good News travels slow,

>> they all call me wildfire,

>> 'cause everybody knows,

>> that I'm Bad News,

>> Everywhere I go.

>> Always Gettin' in trouble

>> and hurtin' little girls that hate to see me go!

>> (hurtin' might be cheatin')

>>

>> There is a lot of Cash voice-over in the

>> version which came along about the same time as

>> a film about Hayes, starring Tony Curtis, in 1965;

>> I think the film was called The Outsider

>>

>> "He died drunk in a ditch one night,

>> a whiskey soaked gully  a grave for Ira Hayes."

>>

>> (This last line is not for sure, close though)

>>

>> The Ira Hayes song is laced with melodramatic

>> pathos.  My friends and I used to sing it out

>> loud for laughs, because the lyrics are

>> beyond belief.

>>

>> Mike Rice

>>

>> Would anyone be interested in Larry Verne's

>> Please Mr. Custer!

>

>AH!

>BUT:

>Dylan's Version on Columbia uses INJUN rather than Indian.  There are

>two theories in this regard.  One is that he was influenced by the

>railroad ENGINE imagery misting off Kerouac's GRAVE, the other is that

>he was trying to provide a link to INJUN JO in MARK TWAIN'S TOM SAWYER.

>Nobody knows for sure.

>

>Huck Finn watching my WAKE

>

>

My own favorite reading of Indian is Dustin Hoffman's "Indun'"

from Little Big Man.  You'll recall he was, among others, the

last survavin' member of the Battle of Little Big Horn.

 

Mike Rice

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Thanks to all for the warm welcome, I feel at home already. I am a

librarian and professor of Philosophy and Religion. Really got into the

hippie movement about 5 years ago, back when it was hip to be a hippie, i

as a nerd and also had to deal with Nam for a few years. Then off to

college where long hairs were not welcome with open arms. So aboout 5 years

ago after 25 years of marriage and a divorce i started my hippie route, YES

I do have long hair down usually in a pony tail but some times i let it all

hang down.

Thanks for the welcome

PEACE and LOve to all

Jim "An old Hippie"

woodj@mail.firn.edu

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mike rice wrote:

>

> At 03:47 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

> >marie countyman wrote:

> >>

> >> hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to

> >> many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my

> >> reading  went well: i was geared up for the newest version of 'insomnia

> >> quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,

> >> as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and

> >> by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR

> >> as well.

> >> it's tired and my mind is fried.

> >> more to come

> >> thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.

> >> mc

> >>

> >> ______________________________________________________

> >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

> >

> >I heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE BIG TIME!!!!!!

> >

> >citizen caine

> >

> >

> "And the tow rope.  I would have proved it beyond a shadow of

> a doubt if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action.  The

> strawberries in the wardroom were a reality .  When the crew

> began to talk behind my back, that's when someone carelessly left

> the tow rope attached.., And old yellowstains, they called me that...,

>

> Of course, trying to remember these matters from memory is difficult.

> If you have questions,  I'll try to answer them one by one."

>

> John Foster Caine

 

rumor has it that George Will believes the LAST WORDS of CITIZEN KANE

were from baseball jargon: rosin.  However, anyone with an ounce of

intelligence know Orson Welles said "RAISIN" (and a WELCHES GRAPE

SHOOTER)

 

david bruce rhaesa

copyright

7:59 am

01-09-1998 ADDABCCBCEECLESSIASTES

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i'm not standing up for them in any sense of the word, that fate just

seems a bit harsh.

 

 

 

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> >From:         Laurie Hutchinson <laurel555@YAHOO.COM>

> >Subject:      Re: Kennedy and Bono

> >To:           BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> >

> >Would you really wish that fate on anyone???

> >Laurel

> >

> >

> >

> >---Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:

> >>

> >> jo grant wrote:

> >>

> >> > Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?

> >> >

> >> > j grant

> >>

> >> We should be so lucky.   If I come across either of them on the

> >slopes,

> >> I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.

> >>

> >> -E

> >>

> >

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> >

>  a death after spending a life involved in contraversy after

> contraversy, drugs, illegal acts, and politics? yes. i wouldn't want

to

> live like that.... not to mention the other guy...sony bono...

> *wicked smirk*

> -julian

>

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Date:         Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:53 +0800

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Hi,All writer:

Who can get me that address of history mailing list?

Thank you!

 

XD Wang

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>

>i'm not standing up for them in any sense of the word, that fate just

>seems a bit harsh.

>

>

>

> Pardon me for being cynical for a moment...

 but we all die.. and i can think of a lot less funny and harsher ways

to die than running into a tree skiing.

 i certainly know if i died in a funny way (for instance, dying on a

luxury cruise, in the middle of a huge ocean...by drowning in the little

pool on board)i wouldn't mind at all if people got a few minutes of

perverse pleasure out of laughing...

 if its one thing i don't like, please do not take offense, is when

people get too serious when things are supposed to be funny...

 it may be wrong to luagh at their deaths... but i'm laughing at their

lives too...

-julian

 

 

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From:         sherri <love_singing@MSN.COM>

Subject:      a real treat

 

well, gotta say that last night was a real treat.  our little band of

beat-lers getting together and listening to Marie read her marvelous poetry.

she read well and was clearly very appreciated by those beyond our little

circle of admirers.  felt very lucky to have been there.

 

and QR Hand  was a special bonus - a true poet and great reader.

 

thanks Marie - you got it, girl+ACE-

 

ciao, sherri

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At 01:35 AM 1/9/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:

 

>does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?

 

P. LaFarge wrote it, everyone sings it. . .

 

Townes Van Zandt's version is one of my fave's.

Dylan's is ok, I guess.  Motley Crue's version

is by far the best!!

 

Motorcyle Mike

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At 03:47 AM 1/9/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:

 

>I heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE

>BIG TIME!!!!!!

>

>citizen caine

 

ROSEBUD!?!?!?!?!

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thanks, jo: it was a blast, i felt good and i believe the audience did

too..

mc

 

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>>Bigsurs4me wrote:

>>>

>>> Hello Johan,

>>>

>>> It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie

Countryman is

>>>ready

>>> to do a reading in 'Frisco!  My wife and I enjoyed a pre-performance

run

>>> through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!

>

>Hey Marie,

>A poem for all.

>And break a skylight.

>j grant

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aggghhhhh! not george will!!!!

mc

?

 

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>marie countyman wrote:

>>

>> hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems

to

>> many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great.

my

>> reading  went well: i was geared up for the newest version of

'insomnia

>> quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not

hurt,

>> as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all,

and

>> by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and

QR

>> as well.

>> it's tired and my mind is fried.

>> more to come

>> thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all

helped.

>> mc

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>I heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE BIG TIME!!!!!!

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Date:         Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:21:46 PST

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>Subject:      a real treat

sherri it was a real treat to have you all there cheering me on, and for

the reminder that we were in the presence of a powerful poet QR Hand, a

gentle man with a great soul and a great, musical reader.

it was as much a treat for me as anyone else in the place.

mc

>>well, gotta say that last night was a real treat.  our little band of

>beat-lers getting together and listening to Marie read her marvelous

poetry.

>she read well and was clearly very appreciated by those beyond our

little

>circle of admirers.  felt very lucky to have been there.

>

>and QR Hand  was a special bonus - a true poet and great reader.

>

>thanks Marie - you got it, girl+ACE-

>

>ciao, sherri

>

 

 

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Date:         Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:37:52 -0800

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From:         "Michael R. Brown" <foosi@GLOBAL.CALIFORNIA.COM>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs, Wittgenstein

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On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Jeff Taylor wrote:

 

> (& BTW, there's still a lot of W's writings not yet published....yet

> another "estate" controversy)

 

And presumably another archive that is going to be allowed to be reclused

from open study, to languish and deteriorate.  :/

 

Someone sometime on this list said that all writers should take care to

make clear the _exact_ terms of their desires for disposition of their

literary estate. Very true. Do we really need to waste precious time of

life in "Jack [or Bill or Allen] woulda WANTED it this way" arguments?

 

 

 

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      sliced writings ("Ciao, Alice")

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(...)

        Alice si mise in testa non soltanto di vivere

ma di pubblicare quegli inediti senza toccare la collezione

dei quadri. Uso' tutto il denaro che le restava-non molto,

dopo la malattia di Gertrude-e accetto' di pubblicare su

riviste di grande tiratura articoli di cucina, a condizione

che le venissero retribuiti con generosita'. Gli articoli

ebbero un tale successo che un editore la invito' a comporre

un vero e proprio volume di ricette; e Alice lo scrisse un

po' sotto forma di pettegolezzo, facendosi mandare da tutti

gli amici le loro ricette preferite.

        Tremo al pensiero delle ricette che mi convinse a mandarle

e che naturalmente mi feci dalla ragazza tuttofare che mi nutriva

in quegli anni; ma dalle mie innocue cotolette alla pizzaiola

o pesto alla genovese o gnocchi alla romana almeno non le

derivarono guai. Invece Brion Gysin (che piu' tardi sarebbe

diventato noto attraverso il sodalizio con William Burroughs

e i loro cut-ups), o forse Paul Bowles (protagonista in seguito

di un colossale revival grazie alla riduzione cinematografica

che Bernardo Bertolucci fece del suo The Sheltering Sky) le

mando' da Tangeri la ricetta di una crema all'hashish e Alice

la pubblico' nel testo integrale, in cui veniva consigliata come

particolarmente adatta a un pomeriggio di pioggia e si precisava,

nella descrizione degli ingredienti, che si poteva facilmente

coltivare in un vasetto sul davanzale della cucina, come si

fa nei paesi meridionali con il basilico, la menta o le altre

erbe aromatiche.

        Quando il libro usci', la campagna di Allen Ginsberg per

la legalizzazione della marijuana non era ancora incominciata.

Il settimanale "Time" pubblico' una recensione anticipata

segnalando la ricetta e affermando che non c'era da stupirsi

se Gertrude Stein scriveva in quel modo incomprensibile,

considerando il cibo che le somministrava Alice. Quando lesse

l'articolo, Gysin le telefono' da Tangeri, offrendosi di

modificare il testo; ma ormai era troppo tardi. L'editore

americano parlo' con il procuratore generale, e nonostante ne

ricevesse la precisazione della colpevolezza di chi compra, vende

o usa droghe ma l'innocenza di chi ne scrive, preferi' rifare

l'ultima parte del libro (nonostante fosse gia' rilegato)

sopprimendo la ricetta pericolosa. Alice si trovo', a settantotto

anni, al centro di uno scandalo forse piu' vistoso del

necessario, in un'atmosfera da Grande Inquisizione e da Rogo delle

streghe; e il settimanale "Time" pubblico' solo poche righe

della sua lettera di spiegazione.

        Il fatto che i libro continuasse a circolare in Inghilterra

non evito' l'insuccesso economico del volume: il mercato che

avrebbe assorbito quelle ricette, con o senza marijuana, procurando

ad Alice un lieve sollievo economico, non era certo quello inglese.

Quando le chiesi che cosa mai le fosse venuto in mente, mi

rispose con aria offesa di non aver mai saputo, prima che si

facesse tutto quel chiasso, che la cannabis sativa e' la marijuana,

e di aver inserito la ricetta soltanto perche' le sembrava divertente.

(...)

F.P. 1965.

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Subject:      Re: "BeatZen" (was Re: Satori in Phoenix)

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On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

 

> in my opinion

> the myth of the reincarnation of our own body (in flesh) and

> not trasmigrate in other beings on this planet (kharma) is a strong

> point favorauble to mother christian/catholic curch way of life

> (i think of "visions of gerard"), &(sad) the good dies young...,

 

Excellente, Rinaldo!

 

The resurrection of this particular body reenforced the sense that the

soul is an island of consciousness trapped behind a wall of flesh, hence

increasing the power of those who would save that lonely island's sole

inhabitant through providing the flightpath to the one and only Savior.

 

I like Buddhism better. :)

 

 

 

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the ruling cryptocracy killed sonny so they could transplant kennedy's

head onto his body

 

check yr local newspapers for ape head transplant and human cloning

stories this past week if you don't believe me

 

tkc

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Marie

         I damn sure dont want to take away from your 15 mins. i think its

great!Now- about a month back I made a statement on the list that I felt that

Pound, Eliot, and Ginsberg were the greatest American Poets. I would have

included Rilke, light and fire that he was, cept he wasnt American! Anyways-

fraid I left out one of the greatest living American Poets- Jim Harrison.

        I have yet to see mention of him on the List, and I dont think you can

a more Beat, Enlightened, and Intelligent Poet going today. Dont tell me about

those same ol samo acedemics guys and dolls. Boring! And dont let the Brad

Pitt hoopla over Legend of the Fall bring you down- Harrison is great!

        Read the guy- he deserves our support.

                                                                           Gen

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Michael R. Brown wrote:

 

> The resurrection of this particular body reenforced the sense that the

> soul is an island of consciousness trapped behind a wall of flesh, hence

> increasing the power of those who would save that lonely island's sole

> inhabitant through providing the flightpath to the one and only Savior.

>

 

hunh? the soul is an island of cousciousness trapped in a wall of

flesh.  neither the apostles or the church fathers had any vested

interest in the idea of power over anybody when they transmitted this

new doctrine to peoples of the first century.  they gave up the comfort

of their own lives to preach a gospel that put the same limitations on

them as it did those they converted.  these were people who walked with

christ, saw his miracles, and believed this new teaching because they

experianced it to be true.  the roman empire of the first century was

sophisticated and literate, and while they had the same arguements

against the gospels, and preferences for philosophies that placed their

individual egos at the center of the universe, evolving into gods, or

cynical beliefs that all gods were simply the stories of men to explain

natural events and mirror the human psyche, we have only one quote from

the talmud discounting christ's divinity.  nobody at the time said

'waitaminute, this didn't happen like that', and we have a portion of

the gospel of mark among the dead sea scroll fragments, sealed in a cave

in 69 ad.

 

if the early christians had wanted to form a big popular church, they

would've said what the people at the time wanted to hear, which is what

people want to hear now: we're all saved, we're all evolving to godhood,

we're all one.  just look at tv ministers like kenneth hagan or casey

treat, or depect chopra <?sp?>, they just say what people wanna hear

 

 

> I like Buddhism better. :)

 

i know, who doesn't? but yer making my point.  remember, buddha never

claimed to be the messiah, just a smart guy who thought himself thru the

superstition of hinduism.  and there are as many irreconcilable

differences between the various forms of buddhism and their beliefs in

karma and reincarnation as there are between buddhism and christianiity.

 

myself, i believe in an objective consistant universe

 

tkc

>

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From:         "Paul A. Maher Jr." <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

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Stop by and chat about Beat Lit, life, the weather, so long as it's nice....

The Kerouac Quarterly Chat Group is open anytime. Go to:

 

  http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html

 

           Thanks, Paul....

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: uh, Jim Harrison?

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I just wanted to second the vote for Jim Harrison.  He's amazingly good in

any form, poetry/short fiction/novels.  He even met Jack Kerouac once.

 

Don Lee

Fayetteville, Ark.

 

"I cannot live without books."

                        --Thomas Jefferson

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> From: Jodie R Gardner <JGardner@DOANE.EDU>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Your comments please??

> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:09:50 -0600

>

> This is a poem that I have to read in class.  Please give me your

> comments on whether you think this poem is crap or not, I can't decide

> whether to use this one or a different one that I have written.

>

> "lost within"

>

> We occur and then vanish

>     without a second look

> The chains that surround us

>     are by our own design

> We built the empire

>     that closes in around us

> Our creation is now so strong

>     and can no way be destroyed

> Our actions developed evil

>     these demons we must now accept

> The structures that withhold us

>     are merely what's inside

>

>                         - Jodie R.

 

Jodie,

I really dig the pome.. I think you should read it in class... besides, if

they don't like, don't understand, or can't appreciate it, who give a damn?

critics are over rated, anyway.

 

yawp aways,

mick

 

"When I was young, I belived in God, but as I got older, it was my desire to

see God that kept me from seeing what was here on Earth"

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> From: Jodie R Gardner <JGardner@DOANE.EDU>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Re: another newcomer...

> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:03:17 -0600

>

> I attend Doane College, in Nebraska.  I do believe that the only reason

that

>  this

> class is offered is because it is something that is very important to my

> professor.  My professor plays jazz and reads Beat literature for fun,

because

>  he

> believes in it, not because it is his job to teach it.  As a matter of

fact, his

> job is to teach Philosophy and Ethics.  The class is so open and I love it

more

> than any other class I have taken thus far.  Thanks for asking.

> Oh, by the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it

contains many

> examples from the greatest writers.  If anyone has some great quotes that

they

> strongly feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some great

uses

>  for

> them.

>

> *jodie*

>

> "You can't fix it.  You can't make it go away.

>     I don't know what you're going to do about it,

> But I know what I'm going to do about it.  I'm just

>     going to walk away from it. Maybe

> A small part of it will die if I'm not around

>

>     feeding it anymore."

 

jodie:

 

 here's a couple from the grest Bill B.

 

"All agents defect, and all resistors sell out."

 

"There is one Mark you can't beat. that''s the Mark inside."

 

how'd the pome go over?

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main user wrote:

>

>

> "When I was young, I belived in God, but as I got older, it was my desire to

> see God that kept me from seeing what was here on Earth"

 

To paraphrase Theologian Paul Tillich, this is finding the God within

and without God.

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: "BeatZen" (was Re: Satori in Phoenix)

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At 09.58 09/01/98 -0800, Michael R. Brown wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

>

>> in my opinion

>> the myth of the reincarnation of our own body (in flesh) and

>> not trasmigrate in other beings on this planet (kharma) is a strong

>> point favorauble to mother christian/catholic curch way of life

>> (i think of "visions of gerard"), &(sad) the good dies young...,

>

>Excellente, Rinaldo!

>

>The resurrection of this particular body reenforced the sense that the

>soul is an island of consciousness trapped behind a wall of flesh, hence

>increasing the power of those who would save that lonely island's sole

>inhabitant through providing the flightpath to the one and only Savior.

>

>I like Buddhism better. :)

>

Michael,

thank you for have annotated this christian (religious)faith, we are

a singularity body not a universe, is it possible a diskfullfiles

does contain all an universe? it's possible an electric body wired

contain all an universe? i'm typed on this k/board, i am, i am, of

course this is a mystic tautology. it's a strange way that people

sex the universe, do u know? there's a person hospitalized, in

pain, "when these men are about to leave their lives",( have a

look at raymond carver), "they first make their heads beautiful",

ask to a person for his religion? there is always a moment of

hesitation. think u are in pain and people ask u yr religion,u

answer: i'm christian. this happen  in western countries,

(in italy the bureaucratic office sign up u as catholic!), i dont

know if this the same in the US of America. but none is sure of

the authenticity of the answer, if somebody dig my file tell

whoo u are atheist not catholic but dont worry yr body is in pain

u haven't before experimented with pain, u havent before had

that trouble, u are genuine, u havent a life before the one own

u are living, & never have other life, only 1 chance, u are a

man, i think jack kerouac has really a body & in some place,

not of course in this planet, we'll meet really jack kerouac,

(or i am a crazy man?) siddharta, san francesco, kerouac have

created the myth of their own ego (self) in face of the pain

of death. not to everybody it's possible. i feel my instants are

gone but i dontwant my body 'll be unplugged from world...we are

forever waiting for...

 

saluti,

Rinaldo.

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     The epitomal Kerouac:

 

     ...and I shambled after as I've been doing all my life after people

     who interest me, because the only people for me are the mad ones, the

     ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of

     everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a

     commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabolous yellow roman

     candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you

     see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes 'Awww!'"

 

     JK, OTC

 

     *****************************

 

     My favorite new quote, actually Jack quoting J. Joyce in SOTD

 

     cheap and sweet; soon sour.

 

     ******************************

 

     Praised be man, he is existing in milk and living in lilies...praised

     be I, writing, dead already and dead again.

 

     JK from Mex. City Blues (the ... cut is from the Kerouc ROMnibus, it's

     the intro to the disk and in Jack's own voice.)

 

     ******************************

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt

 

 

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----------

> From: Jodie R Gardner <JGardner@DOANE.EDU>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Re: another newcomer...

> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:03:17 -0600

>

> I attend Doane College, in Nebraska.  I do believe that the only reason

that

>  this

> class is offered is because it is something that is very important to my

> professor.  My professor plays jazz and reads Beat literature for fun,

because

>  he

> believes in it, not because it is his job to teach it.  As a matter of

fact, his

> job is to teach Philosophy and Ethics.  The class is so open and I love it

more

> than any other class I have taken thus far.  Thanks for asking.

> Oh, by the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it

contains many

> examples from the greatest writers.  If anyone has some great quotes that

they

> strongly feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some great

uses

>  for

> them.

>

> *jodie*

>

> "You can't fix it.  You can't make it go away.

>     I don't know what you're going to do about it,

> But I know what I'm going to do about it.  I'm just

>     going to walk away from it. Maybe

> A small part of it will die if I'm not around

>

>     feeding it anymore."

 

jodie:

 

 here's a couple from the grest Bill B.

 

"All agents defect, and all resistors sell out."

 

"There is one Mark you can't beat. that''s the Mark inside."

 

how'd the pome go over?

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kudo kodu kudu

sound great, i know it is hard to read yet it is good for both writer

and audience.  any possibilities of posting some of the poetry read,

i would appreciate it.

patricia

 

sherri wrote:

>

> well, gotta say that last night was a real treat.  our little band of

> beat-lers getting together and listening to Marie read her marvelous poetry.

> she read well and was clearly very appreciated by those beyond our little

> circle of admirers.  felt very lucky to have been there.

>

> and QR Hand  was a special bonus - a true poet and great reader.

>

> thanks Marie - you got it, girl+ACE-

>

> ciao, sherri

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to be blunt i consider it a little creepy to declare problems with

williams estate and publishing before there is any.  I feel that if any

one had a good marriage of heirs it is james and williams.  williams

archives should be in good state since they were transfered before

william died and dealt with by the detail efficient james.  but if one

wanted to pretend problems then might be better to backchannel and

hint.  there is enough real problems with the material tied up in the

memory babe archives. of course that is affected by the sampas fight

which thankfully the majority of williams stuff is immune to.

patricia

Michael R. Brown wrote:

>

> On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Jeff Taylor wrote:

>

> > (& BTW, there's still a lot of W's writings not yet published....yet

> > another "estate" controversy)

>

> And presumably another archive that is going to be allowed to be reclused

> from open study, to languish and deteriorate.  :/

>

> Someone sometime on this list said that all writers should take care to

> make clear the _exact_ terms of their desires for disposition of their

> literary estate. Very true. Do we really need to waste precious time of

> life in "Jack [or Bill or Allen] woulda WANTED it this way" arguments?

>

> + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +

>   Michael R. Brown                        foosi@global.california.com

> + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +

>

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Subject:      This body Universe, a sort of BeatZen reply

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     We are the mirror as well as the face in it. We are tasting the taste

     this moment of eternity. We are Pain and what cures pain, both.

     We are the jar and the sweet cold water that pours.

     - Rumi

 

     No body, No universe (A la heart sutra). No here, no there.

     Only both. No either/or. We are the stuff that the universe is made

     of. A singularity contains aspects of the whole. Universe is

     perpetuated through body. Things are void of preconceptions. Certain

     distinctions are only forms dancing before our eyes. there is

     something beyond the forms. we speak as if absolute is before us. all

     there is, is endless wonder. as Corso says, "Never find Forever."

 

     -off the cuff musings after reading BeatZen emails and trying to stay

     grounded during manic work day.

 

     Hope you all are well.

     Peace be upon you.

 

     Sean D. Young

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject:      Re: THE BALLAD OF IRA HAYES

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Poor old drunken Ira Hayes?

 

According to Johnny Cash's Greatest Hits, Volume One it was written by

P. LaFarge.   I presume no relation to LaBarge.

 

David Bruce Rhaesa wrote:

 

> it has a beat

>

> does anybody know the lyrics?

> does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?

> does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?

> is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?

>

> trivia questions?

>

> pandur

 

 

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

 



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