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i was
wondering if anyone can help me with this topic. i am supposed to
write a
paper abpit communes, from the gender perspective, focusing
especially
on upbringing of children in these communities, how they
adapt
to 'ordinary' life afterwards and whether they regret having grown
up in
such an envinronment. if you have any material on this, please
send it
to me.
and,
btw, i think that the poor alexander supertramp should be left to
rest in
peace, and not be criticised so harshly. who knows how many of
us
would survive under the same conditions.
ksenija
ps. did
you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head
severed
off two days ago?
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I agree
with Dennis about the Iris Dement song that he mentions....terrific,
but
expected given the high level of her first two albums (three?). I have
been
strangely unmoved so far by the latest Dylan, but more listening to
come. I
AM over the top on the newest Rory McLeod album, Dan Bern's latest
(which
is the most bizaare Dylan sonification you'll ever hear!) and Chuck
Brodsky's
"Lettres in the dirt"....solid, solid albums.
Couldn't remember if I'd already
mentioned the beat connection s in
several
of Bern's songs...and McLeod is as Beat as you're gonna get...a
modern
day Guthrie travelling the world fighting fascism with his guitar,
trombone(!),
tap shoes and harmonica and the most amazing songs and singing.
Antoine
>In
a message dated 98-01-07 09:53:36 EST, Bill Gargan wrote:
><<
I'll be really suprised if Dylan doesn't win. >>
>
>Bill,
>I
agree that the new disc is his best in years, I love it...BUT in the folk
>category
he's up against Guy Clark and Iris Dement.
If he loses to either of
>them...it'll
be OK with me. Guy's Keepers is NOT his
best album, but Iris's
>nominated
disc is so good one wonders how she can top it. If you haven't
>heard
"Living in the Wasteland of the Free", you have a rare treat in
store.
>Buy
it! You won't be sorry.
>Dennis
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
cease
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Antoine
Maloney wrote:
>
> I
agree with Dennis about the Iris Dement song that he mentions....terrific,
>
but expected given the high level of her first two albums (three?). I have
>
been strangely unmoved so far by the latest Dylan, but more listening to
>
come. I AM over the top on the newest Rory McLeod album, Dan Bern's latest
>
(which is the most bizaare Dylan sonification you'll ever hear!) and Chuck
>
Brodsky's "Lettres in the dirt"....solid, solid albums.
>
> Couldn't remember if I'd already
mentioned the beat connection s in
>
several of Bern's songs...and McLeod is as Beat as you're gonna get...a
>
modern day Guthrie travelling the world fighting fascism with his guitar,
>
trombone(!), tap shoes and harmonica and the most amazing songs and singing.
>
> Antoine
>
>
>In a message dated 98-01-07 09:53:36 EST, Bill Gargan wrote:
>
><< I'll be really suprised if Dylan doesn't win. >>
>
>
>
>Bill,
>
>I agree that the new disc is his best in years, I love it...BUT in the folk
>
>category he's up against Guy Clark and Iris Dement. If he loses to either of
>
>them...it'll be OK with me. Guy's
Keepers is NOT his best album, but Iris's
>
>nominated disc is so good one wonders how she can top it. If you haven't
>
>heard "Living in the Wasteland of the Free", you have a rare
treat in store.
>
>Buy it! You won't be sorry.
>
>Dennis
>
>
> Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
>
> "Blessed are they who can laugh at
themselves, for they shall never
>
cease to be amused."
the
only criticism i have of Dylan's newest album is how many lines are
copies
of things i've said and thought!!! <laughing>
david
rhaesa
smolan,
Kansas
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Hello
Johan,
It's
sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is ready
to do a
reading in 'Frisco! My wife and I
enjoyed a pre-performance run
through
the other night and enjoyed it immensely!
The
photo you speak of (B/W w/Neal's head tilted) was indeed taken by Carolyn
Cassady
in 1952. It was on a previous edition
of OTR put out by Viking prior
to the
latest multicolored cover. Can't help
you with that particular photo
but
another on the same roll taken at the same time is used as the cover of
The
First Third. We have that photo
emblazoned on a Tee Shirt with Jack's
signature
and the words "Adios King".
The shirt is heavy duty cotton in khaki
and the
photo is tinted sepia. Gorgeous
product.
E-mail
your snail mail address privately and we'll mail you our latest
catalog. Yes, we ship all over the world.
Jerry
Cimino
Fog
City
www.kerouac.com
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wrote:
>
>
Hello Johan,
>
>
It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is ready
> to
do a reading in 'Frisco! My wife and I
enjoyed a pre-performance run
>
through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!
>
break a
leg (or other body part) marie!!!!
david
rhaesa
roxbury,
Kansas
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ok, my response to the past coupla'
threads....
as far as folk music goes...the best modern
folk artist i have heard is
Gerard
McHugh, on his debut album "more than i". i bought it for 25
cents
when my schools radio station was having a clearence (i ended up
buying
90 cds for 25 cents a piece...most of them are great)
alexander supertramp...in regards to his
death, i cannot think of a
more
poetic way to die at this moment...
as for his life...it seems his legacy is more
in his death than his
life,
that is sad to me, but those who admire the way he died most
likely
would admire the way he lived more.
also...
who wrote, "the electric kool-aid acid
test"?
thanks.
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In a
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<<
ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head
severed off two days ago? >>
As if
we didn't have reason enough for sorrow...i had not heard this one. I'm
going
to sit here, shake my head for awhile, wait to see if anger overtakes my
sadness,
and decide whether or not to load my guns and stroll down to the post
office.
OK...More
suffering...I really find this news devastating...but I promise not
to go
postal.
Dennis
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Ron,
I'd be
interested in any critical commentary (destructive or
constructive)
concerning the Firewalk manuscript. I'm
currently in the
process
of revisions. I'm centering on the
Hospitalization in Saint
Joseph
Missouri which is mentioned briefly with regard to Doc
Whitehead. I'm wondering if you are any relation to a
Whitehead who
debated
for the University of Louisville in the early 1980s.
Last i
heard from you, you were in the middle of mass liquidation of
artistic
assets. How are things now? I hope well.
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>In
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><<
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>
severed off two days ago? >>
did i miss something?
little mermaid?
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Julian
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> also...
> who wrote, "the electric kool-aid acid
test"?
>
Tom
Wolfe not to be confused with Thomas Wolf.
I realized I traded my
copy of
TEKAAT to Eric Decker for a free trip to the Grateful Dead at
Soldier
Field. I miss that book sometimes. I wonder if it was a good
trade.
race
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the new
dylan thang is is great.
the
most poetic way of dying is of an ripe old age after really living
ones
own life.
I have
started writing a book , a recurrence of dreams.
the
central character is an outlaw hung for bludgening indian joe for
his
shoes, haunting a house guiding a small child, alone and sweetly
into
the days. he recalls when he was hung
by the good townspeople of
topeka
that he felt that he had misstepped.
somber and sober in death
he led
a life he never enjoyed in life. He and his brother was
originally
from texas. His brother was hung in
texas a couple of years
after.
thanks for all your responses on my list.
I found another pile
of
books and photos in the storage room. I
go now
patricia
Julian
Ruck wrote:
>
> ok, my response to the past coupla'
threads....
>
> as far as folk music goes...the best modern
folk artist i have heard is
>
Gerard McHugh, on his debut album "more than i". i bought it for 25
>
cents when my schools radio station was having a clearence (i ended up
>
buying 90 cds for 25 cents a piece...most of them are great)
>
> alexander supertramp...in regards to his
death, i cannot think of a
>
more poetic way to die at this moment...
> as for his life...it seems his legacy is
more in his death than his
>
life, that is sad to me, but those who admire the way he died most
>
likely would admire the way he lived more.
>
> also...
> who wrote, "the electric kool-aid acid
test"?
>
>
thanks.
>
-julian
>
>
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did i miss something? >>
YES!!!
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Here's
a little briefing on The Little Mermaid. HC Andersen wrote a
fairytale
called The Little Mermaid and someone made an overly cute
little
statue of The Little Mermaid and put IT on a rock in a harbour
in
Copenhagen, Denmark, where also this mail was written. In 1964,
someone
beheaded her the first time. Everybody knows it was a guy
called
Joergebn Nash, a provo artist. Then it happened again a few
days
ago, everybody's talking about it and it's a real big deal but
most
people finds it really funny too. A radical feminist group took
responsibility
but this is just a joke, nobody knows who and why yet.
Julian:
You didn't miss anything. The mermaid was put there to look
out
over the harbor for eternity or what would look like eternity,
half
naked, legless with a sad fishtail drying out in the sun, her
small
romantic, vane shoulders freezing in the winter. Millions of
cameras
have taken pictures of her pitiful figure for no particular
reason
other than it's what you sort of are supposed to do when you
get
there, like eating discusting things in amusement parks and stupid
ice
creams on the beach.
I used
to walk in that area of the harbor and you know sometimes there
were
five or six huge buses scattered around and an enormous crowd of
people
flocking around the thing like bees around the queen and
sometimes
it made me so, I don't know, like when you see a really
stupid
tv SHOW, mostly it's funny.
It's a
good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't
define
here on the spot.
Johan
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In a
message dated 98-01-08 08:49:56 EST, Johan writes:
<<
It's a good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't
define here on the spot. >>
Oh my
God! I can't understand this
reaction. I enjoy eating disgusting
things
at amusement parks, I love stupid ice creams at the beach, and I can't
imagine
any emotion other than affection for the little mermaid. Something is
wrong. The time is out of joint.
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wrote:
>
> In
a message dated 98-01-08 08:49:56 EST, Johan writes:
>
<< It's a good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't
> define here on the spot. >>
>
> Oh
my God! I can't understand this
reaction. I enjoy eating disgusting
>
things at amusement parks,
my
ex-wife and I once ate some disgusting paper entering DisneyLand in
Los
Angeles. Pirates of the Carribean was
particularly surrrrrreal on
that
journey. Me and another guy nicknamed
Cocoa-mix got in the rafters
on Tom
Sawyer island and jumped down to scare people!
I love
stupid ice creams at the beach, and I can't
>
imagine any emotion other than affection for the little mermaid. Something is
>
wrong. The time is out of joint.
>
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I can't
believe this, you got it all wrong guys. If you didn't eat
disgusting
things in amusement parks and silly ice creams on the
beach,
my metaphor wouldn't work. So I had anticipated this, you don't
need to
inform me elaborately on your... aheam... food habits.
I do,
however, admire your great empathy for the little molested
honey-pie
that we in a fit of cool, slow motion, indifferent
insaneness
chose as the representative monument (ha, ha) of our
country.
I have this vision of you all disillusioned, speachless,
wrapped
in misty, choking grief, standing around the beheaded metal
shape
mourning, I see it in quick-time, like the movie of the flower,
petals
opening in just a few seconds, and you stand there while the
sun
goes down and up again and the cold autumn wind rustling your hair
untill
one of you say ooooooh, don't you just feel so POWERLESS to all
this
evil? (time back to normal, *nice*, quick time gives me the
creeps)
and the rest of you nod in serene agreement. You get hungry
and all
have icecreams even though it's so cold and then, later you go
back to
your countries, back here, somebody makes a copy of the head
and you
all agree it's not the same and then gradually, neatly, you
dress
the whole episode in see-through oblivion UNTIL THE DAY I GO TO
ELLIS
ISLAND (ha he he he, evil laughter as irrelevant text rolls over
the
screen)...
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know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
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i have
to agree - she represents unrequited love and the willingness to
sacrifice
everything for it - something that seems to afflict nearly
everyone
at some point...
ciao,
sherri
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>In
a message dated 98-01-08 08:49:56 EST, Johan writes:
><<
It's a good thing it lost it's head again, for some reason I can't
>
define here on the spot. >>
>
>Oh
my God! I can't understand this
reaction. I enjoy eating disgusting
>things
at amusement parks, I love stupid ice creams at the beach, and I
can't
>imagine
any emotion other than affection for the little mermaid. Something
is
>wrong. The time is out of joint.
>Dennis
>
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Subject:
life in the communes
>i
was wondering if anyone can help me with this topic. i am supposed to
>write
a paper abpit communes, from the gender perspective, focusing
>especially
on upbringing of children in these communities, how they
>adapt
to 'ordinary' life afterwards and whether they regret having grown
>up
in such an envinronment. if you have any material on this, please
>send
it to me.
>
I
suppose the topic may be of some interest to the list, dealing as it does
with
the spiritual children of the beats, even if to some they are a wayward
branch
of the family.
My son
Ari Christopher barely qualifies since he lived only the first three
months
of his life at the Flower Farm, our commune in La Selva Beach, a few
miles
south of Santa Cruz, California. He doesn't remember life there, but
feels
quite proud of the fact that he was born there (in 1970).
My
daughter Ramah Kim lived there two years from age one to three. She
still
carries a few very fond memories of her life there, and our ideals of
those
days continue to inspire her. She is
doing remarkably well in her
life,
is engaged to a wonderful young man Peter Fox. If you are interested
you can
see their picture on a page put up in Bohemian Ink.
http://www.levity.com/corduroy/journals/tabory.htm
I feel very blessed as a father. If you have more specific questions,
let's
correspond back channell.
leon
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>"estate" controversy)
>*******
>Jeff
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To quote Monty Python: "He said the word, he said the
word"
Again, to quote Monty Python: "Please don't say that word"
love and lilies,
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>Anyone
know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>
>j
grant
>
We can
only hope...
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If you
have missed James' post and wonder about this, marie countryman will
read
her poetry tonight 7 - 9 pm at the
Polk
and Beans Cafe
1733
Polk Street, San Francisco
415-776-9292
Sherri,
James, Jim Gardner, myself and my good friend
San Francisco poet
Q.R.
Hand will be there. His reading of marie's Psycho-Bureaucratic Rant
rendered
into jazz had us all spellbound.
Here is
marie:
i'll be
reading the lastest and last version of In Somnia, which qr hand was
most
helpful in a short afternoon of readings and writings. i'll be glad to
post
the new version on the list after i return home.
looks
like it's going to be a lot of fun!
mc
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Subject:
Marie
>Bigsurs4me
wrote:
>>
>>
Hello Johan,
>>
>>
It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is
ready
>>
to do a reading in 'Frisco! My wife and
I enjoyed a pre-performance run
>>
through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!
>>
>
>break
a leg (or other body part) marie!!!!
>
>david
rhaesa
>roxbury,
Kansas
>
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jo grant
wrote:
>
Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>
> j
grant
We
should be so lucky. If I come across
either of them on the slopes,
I'll be
sure to direct them toward the trees.
-E
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Tom Wolfe not to be confused with Thomas Wolf.
I realized I traded my
>
>
copy of TEKAAT to Eric Decker for a free trip to the Grateful Dead at
>
Soldier Field. I miss that book
sometimes. I wonder if it was a good
>
>
trade.
>
>
race
Sounds
like a good trade to me. The book seems
a little easier to
replace.
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Who
gives the WCW scholarship, or where can I get more info on it?
Scott
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This
just popped up on the Burke-L. I
thought that some folks
interested
in the WCW (not to be confused with WCW wrestling)
scholarship
might be interested in it.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Would
you really wish that fate on anyone???
Laurel
---Eric
Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:
>
> jo
grant wrote:
>
>
> Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>
>
>
> j grant
>
> We
should be so lucky. If I come across
either of them on the
slopes,
>
I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.
>
> -E
>
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>jo
grant wrote:
>
>>
Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>>
>>
j grant
>
>We
should be so lucky. If I come across
either of them on the slopes,
>I'll
be sure to direct them toward the trees.
>
>-E
You
guys sound just like those mean spirited republicans I always hear about.
Just
because Helms and Gingrich are too liberal for you you act like you
want
them to die.
You
right wingers need to grow up.
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Wish in
one hand, ____ in the other, see which fills up the fastest. I
don't
make wishes; however, I'll go on record and state that I would not
grieve
if either of those chicken ____ thugs wiped-out on the slopes.
j grant
>Would
you really wish that fate on anyone???
>Laurel
>
>
>
>---Eric
Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>
jo grant wrote:
>>
>>
> Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>>
>
>>
> j grant
>>
>>
We should be so lucky. If I come
across either of them on the
>slopes,
>>
I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.
>>
>>
-E
>>
>
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RIGHT
ON JOE!!! <getting a great
laugh> ciao, sherri
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>Anyone
know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>
>j
grant
>
> HELP RECOVER THE MEMORY
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i
figger if i fall on my head, that will minimize the damage! thanks,
dave.
i'll write ya all about it, guys, once i recover (ha). it will be
a nice
evening with as many folks as i've met out here as possible. what
could
go wrong with all that positive energy?
mc
>>break
a leg (or other body part) marie!!!!
>
>david
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>roxbury,
Kansas
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jo
grant wrote:
>
>
Wish in one hand, ____ in the other, see which fills up the fastest. I
>
don't make wishes; however, I'll go on record and state that I would not
>
grieve if either of those chicken ____ thugs wiped-out on the slopes.
> j
grant
>
>
>Would you really wish that fate on anyone???
>
>Laurel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>---Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> jo grant wrote:
>
>>
>
>> > Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>
>> >
>
>> > j grant
>
>>
>
>> We should be so lucky. If I
come across either of them on the
>
>slopes,
>
>> I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.
>
>>
>
>> -E
>
>>
>
>
>
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The
BLANK is filled in with a chickenheartedJayhawkwing and Teryaki
sauce
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rhaesa
brookville,
Kansas
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i would like to vote for the elimination of
all things circus food, and
ice-cream
on benches should be reserved for the elderly and little
children
who get it all over there face, like everyone else manages to
do...
it looks ridiculus when a grown person gets
ice-cream sandwich on a new
set of
clothes...
truly...it is nothing but a hazard to your
person i suppose..
in loving mockery of the american dream,
-julian
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jack
kerouac bright lights the van in the morning
who
describe small city in stopped the door and i
d
himself as 1953 when i w smell the fresh bread
a
strange so as a young st and the meadows had fl
litary
crazy ory of my lif ash of lightning and r
catholic
mys e and cechov aymond carver was too
tic young to write
poetry
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At
21.53 07/01/98 -0500, Bentz wrote:
>Boys
keep chasing girls to get a kiss
>
>And
the beat goes on
>
>Men
keep marching off to war
>
>And
the beat goes on.
>
>Was
Sonny Bono beat?
>
>The
Charleston was once the rage uh huh?
>
>And
the Beat goes on.
>
>No,
but the Vanilla Fudge were.
>
>--
>
>Peace,
>
>Bentz
>bocelts@scsn.net
>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
>
&
allen
ginsberg writes in the poem ECOLOGUE (fall 1970)
(...)
i.e.
Police control Cities, not Mayors or philosophers -
(...)
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personally...i am on your side...
and i HATE ice-cream in the cold...
also...
i don't like it when people say
"un-thaw"...like they are going to
"un-thaw"
the meat...
to you, that may seem like an entirely
different thing than that which
you are
refering to, but in my mind they are connected in some pre-womb
state
of hilarious behavior...
-julian
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Laurie
Hutchinson wrote:
>
Would you really wish that fate on anyone???
>
Laurel
>
No, of course not. It was meant in jest,
albeit a bit off-taste.
For all
I know, Newt and Jesse are two great
guys, a real Sal and Dean
of the
right-wing set. Although Jesse is
fundamentally opposed to Carlo
Marx. I'm just a little offended by their
politics. Nothing personal.
I'm a
Dharma Ski Bum who knows it's not that dangerous in the trees.
You
just gotta use a little caution.
Statistically, I'm much more
likely
to die while driving to the ski area.
-E
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Hi this
is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not really a
Beat
more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want, what
the
hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and
forget
it all.
Just
hanging around for a while
Jim"The
old Hippie"
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James
F. Wood 253-7886 wrote:
>
> Hi
this is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not really a
>
Beat more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want, what
>
the hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and
>
forget it all.
>
>
Just hanging around for a while
>
Jim"The old Hippie"
Howdy
Jim
My
Daddy's name is Jim.
He once
sang:
"If
I was King of the World I'd throw away the Bars"
BUT:
he
never wooduv thrown away the good ole V.F.W.
david
rhaesa
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why
should we flame for being a human being, Jim.
welcome aboard!!! hope
you'll
enjoy our crazy, wonderful, beatific group.
ciao,
sherri
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My first time
Hi this
is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not really a
Beat
more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want, what
the
hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and
forget
it all.
Just
hanging around for a while
Jim"The
old Hippie"
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10:04 PM 1/7/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:
>The
research of Bettleheim (i believe it was) on the
>concentration
camp victims associating with the
>values
of the guards seems to correlate
>with
these notions.
1943
Bettelheim article titled "Individual and Mass Behavior
in
Extreme Situations." Didn't Bruno
kill himself
in
recent yrs?
Mike
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M.
Cakebread wrote:
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> At
10:04 PM 1/7/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:
>
>
>The research of Bettleheim (i believe it was) on the
>
>concentration camp victims associating with the
>
>values of the guards seems to correlate
>
>with these notions.
>
>
1943 Bettelheim article titled "Individual and Mass Behavior
> in
Extreme Situations." Didn't Bruno
kill himself
> in
recent yrs?
>
>
Mike
i don't
know if he kicked the bucket or not.
i have
"Men are not Ants" (or Aunts) 1960 [the year i was conceived] and
"Freud
and Man's Soul" 1982 on my shelf.
race
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To
"Old Hippie" Jim: Hang in
there, this is my first time too. We
all have
to
start somewhere, hopefully as Ginsberg says, we will get "mystical visions
and
cosmic vibrations" From an other "Old Hippie" named Jim....
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Hey
everybody, this is my second day as a recipient of this list and so far
I think
that it is a wonderful thing. The
reason that I got into all of
this
Beat Culture is because of a college course that I am taking. My class
is
called "America Once Magik" and is a wonderful opportunity to learn
about
jazz,
poetry, literature, and most importantly, the lives and minds of
people
as great as Kerouac and Ginsberg.
Anyway, I really enjoy this list
and
some of the information has been really helpful in understanding things
in
class. Thanks!
*jodie*
"Those
who can't find anything to live for
always invent something to die for.
Then they want the rest of us to
die for it, too."
- Lew Whelch
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>>In
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>><<
ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head
>>
severed off two days ago? >>
>
>
>
did i miss something?
>
little mermaid?
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Who is
the little mermaid, is that the Disney character?
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At
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>In
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>
><<
ps. did you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head
>
severed off two days ago? >>
>
>As
if we didn't have reason enough for sorrow...i had not heard this one.
I'm
>going
to sit here, shake my head for awhile, wait to see if anger
overtakes
my
>sadness,
and decide whether or not to load my guns and stroll down to the
post
>office.
>OK...More
suffering...I really find this news devastating...but I promise not
>to
go postal.
>Dennis
>
>
Get
real, Ksenija, you can't go postal unless you ARE a postal worker.
Arming
yourself and going to your PO Box won't do.
Its the bureaucracy
and
frustration of working for the Post Office, that leads to the
smashups
in the backroom at the PO. We just had
a great one in Milwaukee
a few
weeks ago. The only more likely place
for gunplay is McDonalds,
but if
Burger King keeps improving its sandwiches, the franchise could
switch
there any day.
Mike
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mike
rice wrote:
>
>
>
>
Who is the little mermaid, is that the Disney character?
>
>
Mike Rice
which
came first Darryl Hannah or the Disney character and why did DH
cross
Ellis Island?
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At
02:39 PM 1/8/98 -0600, you wrote:
>M.
Cakebread wrote:
>>
>>
At 10:04 PM 1/7/98 -0600, David Rhaesa wrote:
>>
>>
>The research of Bettleheim (i believe it was) on the
>>
>concentration camp victims associating with the
>>
>values of the guards seems to correlate
>>
>with these notions.
>>
>>
1943 Bettelheim article titled "Individual and Mass Behavior
>>
in Extreme Situations." Didn't
Bruno kill himself
>>
in recent yrs?
>>
>>
Mike
>
>i
don't know if he kicked the bucket or not.
>i
have "Men are not Ants" (or Aunts) 1960 [the year i was conceived]
and
>"Freud
and Man's Soul" 1982 on my shelf.
>
>race
>
>Yes,
he was in a nursing home in Maryland when he decided to chuck
everything
and commit suicide. A brother of a
young child put in
Bettelheim's
control in the sixties wrote an angry book suggesting
the
concentration camp survivor was a secret sadist who beat children
and ran
his supposedly enlightened children's institute like Dickens'
blacking
factory with a torture chamber overlay.
I heard the guy
on
public radio. Bettelheim was dead of plastic bag over the head
and
sleeping pills, but the Brother was still angry at the treatment
of his
younger brother, and the arrogance he had encountered while
visiting
the author of a book about the use of Fairytales in child
rearing,
at the children's institute in Chicago.
It developed that
Bettelheim
had also lied about his academic credentials and was
something
of a fraud. I saw Bettelheim on Dick
Cavett years ago
talking
about the Fairy Tale book.
Mike
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What
school do you go to? Just curious...
On Thu,
8 Jan 1998, Jodie R Gardner wrote:
>
Hey everybody, this is my second day as a recipient of this list and so far
> I
think that it is a wonderful thing. The
reason that I got into all of
>
this Beat Culture is because of a college course that I am taking. My class
> is
called "America Once Magik" and is a wonderful opportunity to learn
about
>
jazz, poetry, literature, and most importantly, the lives and minds of
>
people as great as Kerouac and Ginsberg.
Anyway, I really enjoy this list
>
and some of the information has been really helpful in understanding things
> in
class. Thanks!
>
>
*jodie*
>
>
"Those who can't find anything to live for
> always invent something to die for.
>
> Then they want the rest of us to
> die for it, too."
>
> - Lew Whelch
>
The
Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For
Sure-JK
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I
attend Doane College, in Nebraska. I do
believe that the only reason that
this
class
is offered is because it is something that is very important to my
professor. My professor plays jazz and reads Beat
literature for fun, because
he
believes
in it, not because it is his job to teach it.
As a matter of fact, his
job is
to teach Philosophy and Ethics. The
class is so open and I love it more
than
any other class I have taken thus far.
Thanks for asking.
Oh, by
the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it contains
many
examples
from the greatest writers. If anyone
has some great quotes that they
strongly
feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some great uses
for
them.
*jodie*
"You
can't fix it. You can't make it go
away.
I don't know what you're going to do about
it,
But I
know what I'm going to do about it. I'm
just
going to walk away from it. Maybe
A small
part of it will die if I'm not around
feeding it anymore."
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This is
a poem that I have to read in class.
Please give me your
comments
on whether you think this poem is crap or not, I can't decide
whether
to use this one or a different one that I have written.
"lost
within"
We
occur and then vanish
without a second look
The
chains that surround us
are by our own design
We
built the empire
that closes in around us
Our
creation is now so strong
and can no way be destroyed
Our
actions developed evil
these demons we must now accept
The
structures that withhold us
are merely what's inside
- Jodie R.
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>Would
you really wish that fate on anyone???
>Laurel
>
>
>
>---Eric
Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>
jo grant wrote:
>>
>>
> Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>>
>
>>
> j grant
>>
>>
We should be so lucky. If I come
across either of them on the
>slopes,
>>
I'll be sure to direct them toward the trees.
>>
>>
-E
>>
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a death after spending a life involved in
contraversy after
contraversy,
drugs, illegal acts, and politics? yes. i wouldn't want to
live
like that.... not to mention the other guy...sony bono...
*wicked
smirk*
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>>jo
grant wrote:
>>
>>>
Anyone know if Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich skies?
>>>
>>>
j grant
>>
>>We
should be so lucky. If I come across
either of them on the
slopes,
>>I'll
be sure to direct them toward the trees.
>>
>>-E
>
>You
guys sound just like those mean spirited republicans I always hear
about.
>
>Just
because Helms and Gingrich are too liberal for you you act like
you
>want
them to die.
>
>You
right wingers need to grow up.
>
wait...
gingrich
is liberal?
check again...
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>Hi
this is my first time on here so take it easy with me. i am not
really
a
>Beat
more of an Old hippie and a Vietnam vet. ok flame me if you want,
what
>the
hell i can always leave and go to the local VFw and get drunk and
>forget
it all.
>
>Just
hanging around for a while
>Jim"The
old Hippie"
>
*extending
hand*
well
met my friend
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>From: Jodie R Gardner
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>I
attend Doane College, in Nebraska. I do
believe that the only reason
that
>
this
>class
is offered is because it is something that is very important to
my
>professor. My professor plays jazz and reads Beat
literature for fun,
because
> he
>believes
in it, not because it is his job to teach it.
As a matter of
fact,
his
>job
is to teach Philosophy and Ethics. The
class is so open and I love
it more
>than
any other class I have taken thus far.
Thanks for asking.
>Oh,
by the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it
contains
many
>examples
from the greatest writers. If anyone
has some great quotes
that
they
>strongly
feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some
great
uses
>
for
>them.
>
>*jodie*
>
>"You
can't fix it. You can't make it go
away.
> I don't know what you're going to do about
it,
>But
I know what I'm going to do about it.
I'm just
> going to walk away from it. Maybe
>A
small part of it will die if I'm not around
>
> feeding it anymore."
>
jodie...
go to
my homepage..i have a lot of quotes there...
even a
few of my own making...
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/Solace
ignore
all the rest...i haven't had time to change it all since i've
changed
my mind on some of the topics i had fervently attested to in the
past...
-julian
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At
05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:
>It
developed that Bettelheim had also lied about
>his
academic credentials and was something of a
>fraud. I saw Bettelheim on Dick Cavett years ago
>talking
about the Fairy Tale book.
_The
Empty Fortress_ has always been a book
I've
had to
read with a "pound" of salt.
The statement,
"my
belief that the precipitating factor in infantile
autism
is the parent's wish that his child should
not
exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer
to him
as "Brutal" Bettelheim.
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Julian
: Thanks for the info! You are the greatest!
*jodie*
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reminder to everyone that if you snip or summarize a long message
rather
than repeat it, it saves all of us a little time. Also, it's
important
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you're
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ksenija
ps. did
you know that the little mermaid in coppenhagen had her head
severed
off two days ago?
Do you
mean to say that you think of our poor headless mermaid as a BEAT ???
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In a
message dated 1/8/98 1:43:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mrice@CENTURYINTER.NET
writes:
<<
Get real, Ksenija, you can't go postal unless you ARE a postal worker.
Arming yourself and going to your PO Box
won't do. Its the bureaucracy
and frustration of working for the Post
Office, that leads to the
smashups in the backroom at the PO. We just had a great one in Milwaukee
a few weeks ago. The only more likely place for gunplay is McDonalds,
but if Burger King keeps improving its
sandwiches, the franchise could
switch there any day. >>
Mike,
Don't
hang that rap on Ksenija, I posted thoughts of going postal after
reading
his newsflash. BTW, does "getting
Medieval on your ass" mean that I
have to
pour boiling oil on you from the battlements, or has the meaning
become
more generalized with years of usage?
Dennis
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At the
bookstore tonight and while purchasing the Knights' _Kerouac & the
Beats_
the assistant showed me this new book by Jan Kramer (I think).
>From
flipping through, it looks like a biography of sorts. Does anyone
out
there know anything about this book?
Schtick? Good/bad? It seems to
be just
published, though it is a mostly remainder book store so new is
always
relative.
------------------
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Howard (704)264-8259 Appalachian State
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this is
my first post to a listserv group, so i hope i'm doing this ok.
please
let me know if somethings amiss.
'ginsberg
in america' by jane kramer was, i think the first beat bio,
done in
68
jan
kramer, as i recall wrote a couple of post beat slice of life books
in the
late 60s early 70s, but i only recall looking thru them at a
bookstore
tkc
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i've
been working for several years on a biography of neal cassady and
am
interested in hearing from anyone who knew mr cassady.
thanks
tom
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M.
Cakebread wrote:
>
> At
05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:
>
>
>It developed that Bettelheim had also lied about
>
>his academic credentials and was something of a
>
>fraud. I saw Bettelheim on Dick
Cavett years ago
>
>talking about the Fairy Tale book.
>
>
_The Empty Fortress_ has always been a
book I've
>
had to read with a "pound" of salt.
The statement,
>
"my belief that the precipitating factor in infantile
>
autism is the parent's wish that his child should
>
not exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer
> to
him as "Brutal" Bettelheim.
>
>
Mike
I must
admit that the Beatific/Brutality difficulty in BB's work is
difficult
it is best read listening to BB King.
i also
must admit that i've "Accidentally<smile>" altered B.G.S.
degree
to B.A.
degree on a resume here or there. And i
rarely include my time
as
Presbyterian Word Processor for Rolling Hills Pres in Johnson County
Kansas. And the time as back-up janitor and
LAWNMOWER boy at SUNRISE
PRESBY
are almost always lies of omission as well.
The truth will set
you
free but it won't necessarily destroy Barry Commoner's POVERTY OF
POWER
notions concerning of the SECOND LAW of THERMODYNAMICS (especially
when
watching WCWNITRO on TNT or THUNDER on TBS.
well
enough admissions back to watching space jam and reviewing a
discussion
of EITHER/OR in questions of competitiveness from my Days at
AUGUSTANA
under NOW DEAN SNOWBALL (same dude as in ANIMAL FARM guys!)
LaterGator
spacey
racey
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>Bigsurs4me
wrote:
>>
>>
Hello Johan,
>>
>>
It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman is
>>ready
>>
to do a reading in 'Frisco! My wife and
I enjoyed a pre-performance run
>>
through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!
Hey
Marie,
A poem
for all.
And
break a skylight.
j grant
HELP RECOVER THE MEMORY
BABE ARCHIVES
Details on-line at
http://www.bookzen.com
625,506 Visitors 07-01-96 to 11-28-97
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it has
a beat
does
anybody know the lyrics?
does
anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?
does
anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?
is it
true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?
trivia
questions?
pandur
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>If
you're in the Boston Area tonight, broadcasting from Boston University,
>(WBOR at 90.9 FM) there is an hour-long interview
with David Amram and John
>Suiter
about Jack Kerouac. Check it out if you can! The Kerouac Quarterly
>will
highlight parts of the interview on the web page in the near future.
>
>
>
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
>
> Take care,
Paul of TKQ....
>"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
>
Henry David Thoreau
Arrived
at this late, but I think it's WBUR. Or at least it was....
j grant
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As the
first one back to my computer I am glad to report that Marie read
wonderfully
and the entire list should be proud of her.
Those of us lucky
enough
to be there also got to hear some wonderful reading by QR Hand.
Thanks
to Leon himself for making the whole thing happen.
Jame
Stauffer
Leon
Tabory wrote:
> If
you have missed James' post and wonder about this, marie countryman will
>
read her poetry tonight 7 - 9 pm at the
>
>
Polk and Beans Cafe
>
1733 Polk Street, San Francisco
>
415-776-9292
>
>
Sherri, James, Jim Gardner, myself and my good friend San Francisco poet
>
Q.R. Hand will be there. His reading of marie's Psycho-Bureaucratic Rant
>
rendered into jazz had us all spellbound.
>
>
Here is marie:
>
>
i'll be reading the lastest and last version of In Somnia, which qr hand was
>
most helpful in a short afternoon of readings and writings. i'll be glad to
>
post the new version on the list after i return home.
>
looks like it's going to be a lot of fun!
> mc
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Well
Pandur,
You got
me, and I lived in Eugene for years.
James
Stauffer
David
Bruce Rhaesa wrote:
> it
has a beat
>
>
does anybody know the lyrics?
>
does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?
>
does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?
> is
it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?
>
>
trivia questions?
>
>
pandur
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jo
grant wrote:
>
>
>Bigsurs4me wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Hello Johan,
>
>>
>
>> It's sunny and clear here in Northern California and Marie Countryman
is
>
>>ready
>
>> to do a reading in 'Frisco! My
wife and I enjoyed a pre-performance run
>
>> through the other night and enjoyed it immensely!
>
>
Hey Marie,
> A
poem for all.
>
And break a skylight.
> j
grant
>
> HELP RECOVER THE MEMORY
BABE ARCHIVES
> Details on-line at
>
http://www.bookzen.com
> 625,506 Visitors 07-01-96 to 11-28-97
NO
BREAKING if its is a GREY ROOM!
NO
BREAKING if it is a GRAY ROM
And i
heard a rumour that the own of the establishment was gonna collect
the
FIRE INSURANCE this evening. The
SFARSONSQUAD IS ON ALERT.
pandur
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hey
everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to
many
(including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my
reading went well: i was geared up for the newest
version of 'insomnia
quartet'
and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,
as it
included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and
by
sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR
as
well.
it's
tired and my mind is fried.
more to
come
thanks
for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.
mc
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marie
countyman wrote:
>
>
hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to
>
many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my
>
reading went well: i was geared up for
the newest version of 'insomnia
>
quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,
> as
it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and
> by
sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR
> as
well.
>
it's tired and my mind is fried.
>
more to come
>
thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.
> mc
>
>
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>
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I heard
GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE BIG TIME!!!!!!
citizen
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At
01:35 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>it
has a beat
>
>does
anybody know the lyrics?
>does
anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?
>does
anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?
>is
it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?
>
>trivia
questions?
>
>pandur
>
>
Call
him drunken Ira Hayes
He
don't answer anymore
Not the
Whiskey-drinkin' indian
nor the
marine that went to war
Thats
the chorus, the version I get this from
is
Johnny Cash's version on the back of which
is an
even greater song, "Bad News."
Bad
News Travels Like Wildfire,
Good
News travels slow,
they
all call me wildfire,
'cause
everybody knows,
that
I'm Bad News,
Everywhere
I go.
Always
Gettin' in trouble
and
hurtin' little girls that hate to see me go!
(hurtin'
might be cheatin')
There
is a lot of Cash voice-over in the
version
which came along about the same time as
a film
about Hayes, starring Tony Curtis, in 1965;
I think
the film was called The Outsider
"He
died drunk in a ditch one night,
a
whiskey soaked gully a grave for Ira
Hayes."
(This
last line is not for sure, close though)
The Ira
Hayes song is laced with melodramatic
pathos. My friends and I used to sing it out
loud
for laughs, because the lyrics are
beyond
belief.
Mike
Rice
Would
anyone be interested in Larry Verne's
Please
Mr. Custer!
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mike
rice wrote:
>
> At
01:35 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>it has a beat
>
>
>
>does anybody know the lyrics?
>
>does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?
>
>does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?
>
>is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?
>
>
>
>trivia questions?
>
>
>
>pandur
>
>
>
>
>
>
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
> He
don't answer anymore
>
Not the Whiskey-drinkin' indian
>
nor the marine that went to war
>
>
Thats the chorus, the version I get this from
> is
Johnny Cash's version on the back of which
> is
an even greater song, "Bad News."
>
>
Bad News Travels Like Wildfire,
>
Good News travels slow,
>
they all call me wildfire,
>
'cause everybody knows,
>
that I'm Bad News,
>
Everywhere I go.
>
Always Gettin' in trouble
>
and hurtin' little girls that hate to see me go!
>
(hurtin' might be cheatin')
>
>
There is a lot of Cash voice-over in the
>
version which came along about the same time as
> a
film about Hayes, starring Tony Curtis, in 1965;
> I
think the film was called The Outsider
>
>
"He died drunk in a ditch one night,
> a
whiskey soaked gully a grave for Ira
Hayes."
>
>
(This last line is not for sure, close though)
>
>
The Ira Hayes song is laced with melodramatic
>
pathos. My friends and I used to sing
it out
>
loud for laughs, because the lyrics are
>
beyond belief.
>
>
Mike Rice
>
>
Would anyone be interested in Larry Verne's
>
Please Mr. Custer!
AH!
BUT:
Dylan's
Version on Columbia uses INJUN rather than Indian. There are
two
theories in this regard. One is that he
was influenced by the
railroad
ENGINE imagery misting off Kerouac's GRAVE, the other is that
he was
trying to provide a link to INJUN JO in MARK TWAIN'S TOM SAWYER.
Nobody
knows for sure.
Huck
Finn watching my WAKE
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marie
countyman wrote:
>
>
hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to
>
many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my
>
reading went well: i was geared up for
the newest version of 'insomnia
>
quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,
> as
it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and
> by
sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR
> as
well.
>
it's tired and my mind is fried.
>
more to come
>
thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.
> mc
>
>
______________________________________________________
>
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More
seriously MARIE. It is wonderful in my
view for someone named
Country
Man named MARIE to get a GREAT GIG. As
we all sing sometimes in
the
Elevators from GOODNIGHT IRENE, "Sometimes I LIVE IN THE CUNT-TREE
SOMETIMES
I LIVE IN TOWN SOMETIMES I GET A GREAT NOTION TO JUMP IN a
lake.
d
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At
12:53 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>M.
Cakebread wrote:
>>
>>
At 05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:
>>
>>
>It developed that Bettelheim had also lied about
>>
>his academic credentials and was something of a
>>
>fraud. I saw Bettelheim on Dick
Cavett years ago
>>
>talking about the Fairy Tale book.
>>
>>
_The Empty Fortress_ has always been a
book I've
>>
had to read with a "pound" of salt. The statement,
>>
"my belief that the precipitating factor in infantile
>>
autism is the parent's wish that his child should
>>
not exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer
>>
to him as "Brutal" Bettelheim.
>>
>>
Mike
>
>I
must admit that the Beatific/Brutality difficulty in BB's work is
>difficult
it is best read listening to BB King.
>
>i
also must admit that i've "Accidentally<smile>" altered B.G.S.
degree
>to
B.A. degree on a resume here or there.
And i rarely include my time
>as
Presbyterian Word Processor for Rolling Hills Pres in Johnson County
>Kansas. And the time as back-up janitor and
LAWNMOWER boy at SUNRISE
>PRESBY
are almost always lies of omission as well.
The truth will set
>you
free but it won't necessarily destroy Barry Commoner's POVERTY OF
>POWER
notions concerning of the SECOND LAW of THERMODYNAMICS (especially
>when
watching WCWNITRO on TNT or THUNDER on TBS.
>
>well
enough admissions back to watching space jam and reviewing a
>discussion
of EITHER/OR in questions of competitiveness from my Days at
>AUGUSTANA
under NOW DEAN SNOWBALL (same dude as in ANIMAL FARM guys!)
>
>LaterGator
>spacey
racey
>
>
Well,
you know I use to empty the wastebaskets at a downtown
business,
and made beds for the Officer's Valet Service at
nearby
Ft. McCoy, before spending time as a beertender and
gas
jockey, all before age 20.
Its
alright with me on the condition you didn't carve that
b.g.s.
from a GED in the first place, before you then
transformed
it into a b.s. What the hell does
b.g.s. stand
for,
anyway, bag of gas.
Mike
Rice
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mike
rice wrote:
>
> At
12:53 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>M. Cakebread wrote:
>
>>
>
>> At 05:05 PM 1/8/98 -0500, Mike Rice wrote:
>
>>
>
>> >It developed that Bettelheim had also lied about
>
>> >his academic credentials and was something of a
>
>> >fraud. I saw Bettelheim on
Dick Cavett years ago
>
>> >talking about the Fairy Tale book.
>
>>
>
>> _The Empty Fortress_ has
always been a book I've
>
>> had to read with a "pound" of salt. The statement,
>
>> "my belief that the precipitating factor in infantile
>
>> autism is the parent's wish that his child should
>
>> not exist (Bettelheim, 1967)" has led me to refer
>
>> to him as "Brutal" Bettelheim.
>
>>
>
>> Mike
>
>
>
>I must admit that the Beatific/Brutality difficulty in BB's work is
>
>difficult it is best read listening to BB King.
>
>
>
>i also must admit that i've "Accidentally<smile>" altered
B.G.S. degree
>
>to B.A. degree on a resume here or there.
And i rarely include my time
>
>as Presbyterian Word Processor for Rolling Hills Pres in Johnson County
>
>Kansas. And the time as back-up
janitor and LAWNMOWER boy at SUNRISE
>
>PRESBY are almost always lies of omission as well. The truth will set
>
>you free but it won't necessarily destroy Barry Commoner's POVERTY OF
>
>POWER notions concerning of the SECOND LAW of THERMODYNAMICS (especially
>
>when watching WCWNITRO on TNT or THUNDER on TBS.
>
>
>
>well enough admissions back to watching space jam and reviewing a
>
>discussion of EITHER/OR in questions of competitiveness from my Days at
>
>AUGUSTANA under NOW DEAN SNOWBALL (same dude as in ANIMAL FARM guys!)
>
>
>
>LaterGator
>
>spacey racey
>
>
>
>
>
Well, you know I use to empty the wastebaskets at a downtown
>
business, and made beds for the Officer's Valet Service at
>
nearby Ft. McCoy, before spending time as a beertender and
>
gas jockey, all before age 20.
>
>
Its alright with me on the condition you didn't carve that
>
b.g.s. from a GED in the first place, before you then
>
transformed it into a b.s. What the
hell does b.g.s. stand
>
for, anyway, bag of gas.
>
>
Mike Rice
bachelor
of general studies searching for a practically purrrrfect MATE!
DR
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In
'comment' to Julian's "un-thaw" aversions.
In the
center of Copenhagen is this walking street and the stones
there
feel nice to walk on on summer nights from one bar to another
and you
have all the space you want, feels that way - but during the
day the
street is so full of people and reading your letter made me
remember
them and see them (don't yell at me with accusations of
unjust
generalisations, you know... aheam, well:) walk, bobbling or
jerky,
out of control (if you'll pardon me the expression) and I am
sickeningly
aware of the feeling of touching the deep, white sock
marks
and knowing about their sweaty, lazy, sleeping crotch makes me
tear my
skin off or something and the REASON for all this distress and
arrogance
on my part is that at the same time I want to wrap my arms
around
each and every one and say "wooo, it's ok, it's ok..... there,
there,
I love you and it's true and tell me about the dreams you had
when
you were 15, 16.... tell me about where it went wrong, where your
hopes
became such a joke, we both know hope, don't we!".
They
found the head, the mermaid head, by the way.
Johan
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At
03:47 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>marie
countyman wrote:
>>
>>
hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems to
>>
many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my
>>
reading went well: i was geared up for
the newest version of 'insomnia
>>
quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not hurt,
>>
as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all, and
>>
by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and QR
>>
as well.
>>
it's tired and my mind is fried.
>>
more to come
>>
thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all helped.
>>
mc
>>
>>
______________________________________________________
>>
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>I
heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE BIG TIME!!!!!!
>
>citizen
caine
>
>
"And
the tow rope. I would have proved it
beyond a shadow of
a doubt
if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action.
The
strawberries
in the wardroom were a reality . When
the crew
began
to talk behind my back, that's when someone carelessly left
the tow
rope attached.., And old yellowstains, they called me that...,
Of
course, trying to remember these matters from memory is difficult.
If you
have questions, I'll try to answer them
one by one."
John
Foster Caine
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At
05:01 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>mike
rice wrote:
>>
>>
At 01:35 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>it has a beat
>>
>
>>
>does anybody know the lyrics?
>>
>does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?
>>
>does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?
>>
>is it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?
>>
>
>>
>trivia questions?
>>
>
>>
>pandur
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>>
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
>>
He don't answer anymore
>>
Not the Whiskey-drinkin' indian
>>
nor the marine that went to war
>>
>>
Thats the chorus, the version I get this from
>>
is Johnny Cash's version on the back of which
>>
is an even greater song, "Bad News."
>>
>>
Bad News Travels Like Wildfire,
>>
Good News travels slow,
>>
they all call me wildfire,
>>
'cause everybody knows,
>>
that I'm Bad News,
>>
Everywhere I go.
>>
Always Gettin' in trouble
>>
and hurtin' little girls that hate to see me go!
>>
(hurtin' might be cheatin')
>>
>>
There is a lot of Cash voice-over in the
>>
version which came along about the same time as
>>
a film about Hayes, starring Tony Curtis, in 1965;
>>
I think the film was called The Outsider
>>
>>
"He died drunk in a ditch one night,
>>
a whiskey soaked gully a grave for Ira
Hayes."
>>
>>
(This last line is not for sure, close though)
>>
>>
The Ira Hayes song is laced with melodramatic
>>
pathos. My friends and I used to sing
it out
>>
loud for laughs, because the lyrics are
>>
beyond belief.
>>
>>
Mike Rice
>>
>>
Would anyone be interested in Larry Verne's
>>
Please Mr. Custer!
>
>AH!
>BUT:
>Dylan's
Version on Columbia uses INJUN rather than Indian. There are
>two
theories in this regard. One is that he
was influenced by the
>railroad
ENGINE imagery misting off Kerouac's GRAVE, the other is that
>he
was trying to provide a link to INJUN JO in MARK TWAIN'S TOM SAWYER.
>Nobody
knows for sure.
>
>Huck
Finn watching my WAKE
>
>
My own
favorite reading of Indian is Dustin Hoffman's "Indun'"
from
Little Big Man. You'll recall he was,
among others, the
last
survavin' member of the Battle of Little Big Horn.
Mike
Rice
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Thanks
to all for the warm welcome, I feel at home already. I am a
librarian
and professor of Philosophy and Religion. Really got into the
hippie
movement about 5 years ago, back when it was hip to be a hippie, i
as a
nerd and also had to deal with Nam for a few years. Then off to
college
where long hairs were not welcome with open arms. So aboout 5 years
ago
after 25 years of marriage and a divorce i started my hippie route, YES
I do
have long hair down usually in a pony tail but some times i let it all
hang
down.
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for the welcome
PEACE
and LOve to all
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>
> At
03:47 AM 1/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>marie countyman wrote:
>
>>
>
>> hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems
to
>
>> many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great. my
>
>> reading went well: i was geared
up for the newest version of 'insomnia
>
>> quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not
hurt,
>
>> as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all,
and
>
>> by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and
QR
>
>> as well.
>
>> it's tired and my mind is fried.
>
>> more to come
>
>> thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all
helped.
>
>> mc
>
>>
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>I heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE BIG TIME!!!!!!
>
>
>
>citizen caine
>
>
>
>
>
"And the tow rope. I would have
proved it beyond a shadow of
> a
doubt if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action. The
>
strawberries in the wardroom were a reality .
When the crew
>
began to talk behind my back, that's when someone carelessly left
>
the tow rope attached.., And old yellowstains, they called me that...,
>
> Of
course, trying to remember these matters from memory is difficult.
> If
you have questions, I'll try to answer
them one by one."
>
>
John Foster Caine
rumor
has it that George Will believes the LAST WORDS of CITIZEN KANE
were
from baseball jargon: rosin. However,
anyone with an ounce of
intelligence
know Orson Welles said "RAISIN" (and a WELCHES GRAPE
SHOOTER)
david
bruce rhaesa
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7:59 am
01-09-1998
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i'm not
standing up for them in any sense of the word, that fate just
seems a
bit harsh.
---Julian
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>Would you really wish that fate on anyone???
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>> -E
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>>
>
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>
> a death after spending a life involved in
contraversy after
>
contraversy, drugs, illegal acts, and politics? yes. i wouldn't want
to
>
live like that.... not to mention the other guy...sony bono...
>
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Who can
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Thank you!
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>i'm
not standing up for them in any sense of the word, that fate just
>seems
a bit harsh.
>
>
>
>
Pardon me for being cynical for a moment...
but we all die.. and i can think of a lot
less funny and harsher ways
to die
than running into a tree skiing.
i certainly know if i died in a funny way
(for instance, dying on a
luxury
cruise, in the middle of a huge ocean...by drowning in the little
pool on
board)i wouldn't mind at all if people got a few minutes of
perverse
pleasure out of laughing...
if its one thing i don't like, please do not
take offense, is when
people
get too serious when things are supposed to be funny...
it may be wrong to luagh at their deaths...
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Subject: a real treat
well,
gotta say that last night was a real treat.
our little band of
beat-lers
getting together and listening to Marie read her marvelous poetry.
she
read well and was clearly very appreciated by those beyond our little
circle
of admirers. felt very lucky to have
been there.
and QR
Hand was a special bonus - a true poet
and great reader.
thanks
Marie - you got it, girl+ACE-
ciao,
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At
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>does
anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?
P.
LaFarge wrote it, everyone sings it. . .
Townes
Van Zandt's version is one of my fave's.
Dylan's
is ok, I guess. Motley Crue's version
is by
far the best!!
Motorcyle
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heard GEORGE WILL is gonna PAN U'R PERFORMANCE
>BIG
TIME!!!!!!
>
>citizen
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thanks,
jo: it was a blast, i felt good and i believe the audience did
too..
mc
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>>Bigsurs4me
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>>>
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>
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aggghhhhh!
not george will!!!!
mc
?
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>marie
countyman wrote:
>>
>>
hey everyone: it was a great evening, with local and beloved it seems
to
>>
many (including me) QR Hand read some of his work and it was great.
my
>>
reading went well: i was geared up for
the newest version of
'insomnia
>>
quartet' and that read quite well. the audience certainly did not
hurt,
>>
as it included leon, without whom it would not have happened at all,
and
>>
by sherri and james, who i have come to know and like very much. and
QR
>>
as well.
>>
it's tired and my mind is fried.
>>
more to come
>>
thanks for all comments, good thoughts, and cheerleading! it all
helped.
>>
mc
>>
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sherri
it was a real treat to have you all there cheering me on, and for
the
reminder that we were in the presence of a powerful poet QR Hand, a
gentle
man with a great soul and a great, musical reader.
it was
as much a treat for me as anyone else in the place.
mc
>>well,
gotta say that last night was a real treat.
our little band of
>beat-lers
getting together and listening to Marie read her marvelous
poetry.
>she
read well and was clearly very appreciated by those beyond our
little
>circle
of admirers. felt very lucky to have
been there.
>
>and
QR Hand was a special bonus - a true
poet and great reader.
>
>thanks
Marie - you got it, girl+ACE-
>
>ciao,
sherri
>
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On Wed,
7 Jan 1998, Jeff Taylor wrote:
>
(& BTW, there's still a lot of W's writings not yet published....yet
>
another "estate" controversy)
And
presumably another archive that is going to be allowed to be reclused
from
open study, to languish and deteriorate.
:/
Someone
sometime on this list said that all writers should take care to
make
clear the _exact_ terms of their desires for disposition of their
literary
estate. Very true. Do we really need to waste precious time of
life in
"Jack [or Bill or Allen] woulda WANTED it this way" arguments?
+ -- +
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Alice")
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(...)
Alice si mise in testa non soltanto di
vivere
ma di
pubblicare quegli inediti senza toccare la collezione
dei
quadri. Uso' tutto il denaro che le restava-non molto,
dopo la
malattia di Gertrude-e accetto' di pubblicare su
riviste
di grande tiratura articoli di cucina, a condizione
che le
venissero retribuiti con generosita'. Gli articoli
ebbero
un tale successo che un editore la invito' a comporre
un vero
e proprio volume di ricette; e Alice lo scrisse un
po'
sotto forma di pettegolezzo, facendosi mandare da tutti
gli
amici le loro ricette preferite.
Tremo al pensiero delle ricette che mi
convinse a mandarle
e che
naturalmente mi feci dalla ragazza tuttofare che mi nutriva
in
quegli anni; ma dalle mie innocue cotolette alla pizzaiola
o pesto
alla genovese o gnocchi alla romana almeno non le
derivarono
guai. Invece Brion Gysin (che piu' tardi sarebbe
diventato
noto attraverso il sodalizio con William Burroughs
e i
loro cut-ups), o forse Paul Bowles (protagonista in seguito
di un
colossale revival grazie alla riduzione cinematografica
che
Bernardo Bertolucci fece del suo The Sheltering Sky) le
mando'
da Tangeri la ricetta di una crema all'hashish e Alice
la
pubblico' nel testo integrale, in cui veniva consigliata come
particolarmente
adatta a un pomeriggio di pioggia e si precisava,
nella
descrizione degli ingredienti, che si poteva facilmente
coltivare
in un vasetto sul davanzale della cucina, come si
fa nei
paesi meridionali con il basilico, la menta o le altre
erbe
aromatiche.
Quando il libro usci', la campagna di
Allen Ginsberg per
la
legalizzazione della marijuana non era ancora incominciata.
Il
settimanale "Time" pubblico' una recensione anticipata
segnalando
la ricetta e affermando che non c'era da stupirsi
se
Gertrude Stein scriveva in quel modo incomprensibile,
considerando
il cibo che le somministrava Alice. Quando lesse
l'articolo,
Gysin le telefono' da Tangeri, offrendosi di
modificare
il testo; ma ormai era troppo tardi. L'editore
americano
parlo' con il procuratore generale, e nonostante ne
ricevesse
la precisazione della colpevolezza di chi compra, vende
o usa
droghe ma l'innocenza di chi ne scrive, preferi' rifare
l'ultima
parte del libro (nonostante fosse gia' rilegato)
sopprimendo
la ricetta pericolosa. Alice si trovo', a settantotto
anni,
al centro di uno scandalo forse piu' vistoso del
necessario,
in un'atmosfera da Grande Inquisizione e da Rogo delle
streghe;
e il settimanale "Time" pubblico' solo poche righe
della
sua lettera di spiegazione.
Il fatto che i libro continuasse a
circolare in Inghilterra
non
evito' l'insuccesso economico del volume: il mercato che
avrebbe
assorbito quelle ricette, con o senza marijuana, procurando
ad
Alice un lieve sollievo economico, non era certo quello inglese.
Quando
le chiesi che cosa mai le fosse venuto in mente, mi
rispose
con aria offesa di non aver mai saputo, prima che si
facesse
tutto quel chiasso, che la cannabis sativa e' la marijuana,
e di
aver inserito la ricetta soltanto perche' le sembrava divertente.
(...)
F.P.
1965.
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On Wed,
31 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
> in
my opinion
>
the myth of the reincarnation of our own body (in flesh) and
>
not trasmigrate in other beings on this planet (kharma) is a strong
>
point favorauble to mother christian/catholic curch way of life
> (i
think of "visions of gerard"), &(sad) the good dies young...,
Excellente,
Rinaldo!
The
resurrection of this particular body reenforced the sense that the
soul is
an island of consciousness trapped behind a wall of flesh, hence
increasing
the power of those who would save that lonely island's sole
inhabitant
through providing the flightpath to the one and only Savior.
I like
Buddhism better. :)
+ -- +
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bisexuality.
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the
ruling cryptocracy killed sonny so they could transplant kennedy's
head
onto his body
check
yr local newspapers for ape head transplant and human cloning
stories
this past week if you don't believe me
tkc
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Marie
I damn sure dont want to take away
from your 15 mins. i think its
great!Now-
about a month back I made a statement on the list that I felt that
Pound,
Eliot, and Ginsberg were the greatest American Poets. I would have
included
Rilke, light and fire that he was, cept he wasnt American! Anyways-
fraid I
left out one of the greatest living American Poets- Jim Harrison.
I have yet to see mention of him on
the List, and I dont think you can
a more
Beat, Enlightened, and Intelligent Poet going today. Dont tell me about
those
same ol samo acedemics guys and dolls. Boring! And dont let the Brad
Pitt
hoopla over Legend of the Fall bring you down- Harrison is great!
Read the guy- he deserves our support.
Gen
e
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Michael
R. Brown wrote:
>
The resurrection of this particular body reenforced the sense that the
>
soul is an island of consciousness trapped behind a wall of flesh, hence
>
increasing the power of those who would save that lonely island's sole
> inhabitant
through providing the flightpath to the one and only Savior.
>
hunh?
the soul is an island of cousciousness trapped in a wall of
flesh. neither the apostles or the church fathers
had any vested
interest
in the idea of power over anybody when they transmitted this
new
doctrine to peoples of the first century.
they gave up the comfort
of
their own lives to preach a gospel that put the same limitations on
them as
it did those they converted. these were
people who walked with
christ,
saw his miracles, and believed this new teaching because they
experianced
it to be true. the roman empire of the
first century was
sophisticated
and literate, and while they had the same arguements
against
the gospels, and preferences for philosophies that placed their
individual
egos at the center of the universe, evolving into gods, or
cynical
beliefs that all gods were simply the stories of men to explain
natural
events and mirror the human psyche, we have only one quote from
the
talmud discounting christ's divinity.
nobody at the time said
'waitaminute,
this didn't happen like that', and we have a portion of
the
gospel of mark among the dead sea scroll fragments, sealed in a cave
in 69
ad.
if the
early christians had wanted to form a big popular church, they
would've
said what the people at the time wanted to hear, which is what
people
want to hear now: we're all saved, we're all evolving to godhood,
we're
all one. just look at tv ministers like
kenneth hagan or casey
treat,
or depect chopra <?sp?>, they just say what people wanna hear
> I
like Buddhism better. :)
i know,
who doesn't? but yer making my point.
remember, buddha never
claimed
to be the messiah, just a smart guy who thought himself thru the
superstition
of hinduism. and there are as many
irreconcilable
differences
between the various forms of buddhism and their beliefs in
karma
and reincarnation as there are between buddhism and christianiity.
myself,
i believe in an objective consistant universe
tkc
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Stop by
and chat about Beat Lit, life, the weather, so long as it's nice....
The
Kerouac Quarterly Chat Group is open anytime. Go to:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html
Thanks, Paul....
"We
cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."
Henry David Thoreau
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I just
wanted to second the vote for Jim Harrison.
He's amazingly good in
any
form, poetry/short fiction/novels. He
even met Jack Kerouac once.
Don Lee
Fayetteville,
Ark.
"I
cannot live without books."
--Thomas Jefferson
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From: Jodie R Gardner <JGardner@DOANE.EDU>
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>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:09:50 -0600
>
>
This is a poem that I have to read in class.
Please give me your
>
comments on whether you think this poem is crap or not, I can't decide
>
whether to use this one or a different one that I have written.
>
>
"lost within"
>
> We
occur and then vanish
> without a second look
>
The chains that surround us
> are by our own design
> We
built the empire
> that closes in around us
>
Our creation is now so strong
> and can no way be destroyed
>
Our actions developed evil
> these demons we must now accept
>
The structures that withhold us
> are merely what's inside
>
> - Jodie R.
Jodie,
I
really dig the pome.. I think you should read it in class... besides, if
they
don't like, don't understand, or can't appreciate it, who give a damn?
critics
are over rated, anyway.
yawp
aways,
mick
"When
I was young, I belived in God, but as I got older, it was my desire to
see God
that kept me from seeing what was here on Earth"
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From: Jodie R Gardner <JGardner@DOANE.EDU>
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>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:03:17 -0600
>
> I
attend Doane College, in Nebraska. I do
believe that the only reason
that
> this
>
class is offered is because it is something that is very important to my
>
professor. My professor plays jazz and
reads Beat literature for fun,
because
> he
>
believes in it, not because it is his job to teach it. As a matter of
fact,
his
>
job is to teach Philosophy and Ethics.
The class is so open and I love it
more
>
than any other class I have taken thus far.
Thanks for asking.
>
Oh, by the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it
contains
many
>
examples from the greatest writers. If
anyone has some great quotes that
they
>
strongly feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some great
uses
> for
>
them.
>
>
*jodie*
>
>
"You can't fix it. You can't make
it go away.
> I don't know what you're going to do
about it,
>
But I know what I'm going to do about it.
I'm just
> going to walk away from it. Maybe
> A
small part of it will die if I'm not around
>
> feeding it anymore."
jodie:
here's a couple from the grest Bill B.
"All
agents defect, and all resistors sell out."
"There
is one Mark you can't beat. that''s the Mark inside."
how'd
the pome go over?
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main
user wrote:
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>
>
"When I was young, I belived in God, but as I got older, it was my desire
to
>
see God that kept me from seeing what was here on Earth"
To
paraphrase Theologian Paul Tillich, this is finding the God within
and
without God.
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At
09.58 09/01/98 -0800, Michael R. Brown wrote:
>On
Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:
>
>>
in my opinion
>>
the myth of the reincarnation of our own body (in flesh) and
>>
not trasmigrate in other beings on this planet (kharma) is a strong
>>
point favorauble to mother christian/catholic curch way of life
>>
(i think of "visions of gerard"), &(sad) the good dies young...,
>
>Excellente,
Rinaldo!
>
>The
resurrection of this particular body reenforced the sense that the
>soul
is an island of consciousness trapped behind a wall of flesh, hence
>increasing
the power of those who would save that lonely island's sole
>inhabitant
through providing the flightpath to the one and only Savior.
>
>I
like Buddhism better. :)
>
Michael,
thank
you for have annotated this christian (religious)faith, we are
a
singularity body not a universe, is it possible a diskfullfiles
does
contain all an universe? it's possible an electric body wired
contain
all an universe? i'm typed on this k/board, i am, i am, of
course
this is a mystic tautology. it's a strange way that people
sex the
universe, do u know? there's a person hospitalized, in
pain,
"when these men are about to leave their lives",( have a
look at
raymond carver), "they first make their heads beautiful",
ask to
a person for his religion? there is always a moment of
hesitation.
think u are in pain and people ask u yr religion,u
answer:
i'm christian. this happen in western
countries,
(in
italy the bureaucratic office sign up u as catholic!), i dont
know if
this the same in the US of America. but none is sure of
the
authenticity of the answer, if somebody dig my file tell
whoo u
are atheist not catholic but dont worry yr body is in pain
u
haven't before experimented with pain, u havent before had
that
trouble, u are genuine, u havent a life before the one own
u are
living, & never have other life, only 1 chance, u are a
man, i
think jack kerouac has really a body & in some place,
not of
course in this planet, we'll meet really jack kerouac,
(or i
am a crazy man?) siddharta, san francesco, kerouac have
created
the myth of their own ego (self) in face of the pain
of
death. not to everybody it's possible. i feel my instants are
gone
but i dontwant my body 'll be unplugged from world...we are
forever
waiting for...
saluti,
Rinaldo.
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The epitomal Kerouac:
...and I shambled after as I've been
doing all my life after people
who interest me, because the only people
for me are the mad ones, the
ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of
everything at the same time, the ones who
never yawn or say a
commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn
like fabolous yellow roman
candles exploding like spiders across the
stars and in the middle you
see the blue centerlight pop and
everybody goes 'Awww!'"
JK, OTC
*****************************
My favorite new quote, actually Jack
quoting J. Joyce in SOTD
cheap and sweet; soon sour.
******************************
Praised be man, he is existing in milk
and living in lilies...praised
be I, writing, dead already and dead
again.
JK from Mex. City Blues (the ... cut is
from the Kerouc ROMnibus, it's
the intro to the disk and in Jack's own
voice.)
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love and lilies,
matt
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From: Jodie R Gardner <JGardner@DOANE.EDU>
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Subject: Re: another newcomer...
>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:03:17 -0600
>
> I
attend Doane College, in Nebraska. I do
believe that the only reason
that
> this
>
class is offered is because it is something that is very important to my
>
professor. My professor plays jazz and
reads Beat literature for fun,
because
> he
>
believes in it, not because it is his job to teach it. As a matter of
fact,
his
>
job is to teach Philosophy and Ethics.
The class is so open and I love it
more
>
than any other class I have taken thus far.
Thanks for asking.
>
Oh, by the way, our text book is "The Portable Beat Reader" and it
contains
many
>
examples from the greatest writers. If
anyone has some great quotes that
they
>
strongly feel and believe in send them on to me and I can find some great
uses
> for
>
them.
>
>
*jodie*
>
>
"You can't fix it. You can't make
it go away.
> I don't know what you're going to do
about it,
>
But I know what I'm going to do about it.
I'm just
> going to walk away from it. Maybe
> A
small part of it will die if I'm not around
>
> feeding it anymore."
jodie:
here's a couple from the grest Bill B.
"All
agents defect, and all resistors sell out."
"There
is one Mark you can't beat. that''s the Mark inside."
how'd
the pome go over?
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kudo
kodu kudu
sound
great, i know it is hard to read yet it is good for both writer
and
audience. any possibilities of posting
some of the poetry read,
i would
appreciate it.
patricia
sherri
wrote:
>
>
well, gotta say that last night was a real treat. our little band of
>
beat-lers getting together and listening to Marie read her marvelous poetry.
>
she read well and was clearly very appreciated by those beyond our little
>
circle of admirers. felt very lucky to
have been there.
>
>
and QR Hand was a special bonus - a
true poet and great reader.
>
> thanks
Marie - you got it, girl+ACE-
>
>
ciao, sherri
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to be
blunt i consider it a little creepy to declare problems with
williams
estate and publishing before there is any.
I feel that if any
one had
a good marriage of heirs it is james and williams. williams
archives
should be in good state since they were transfered before
william
died and dealt with by the detail efficient james. but if one
wanted
to pretend problems then might be better to backchannel and
hint. there is enough real problems with the
material tied up in the
memory
babe archives. of course that is affected by the sampas fight
which
thankfully the majority of williams stuff is immune to.
patricia
Michael
R. Brown wrote:
>
> On
Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Jeff Taylor wrote:
>
>
> (& BTW, there's still a lot of W's writings not yet published....yet
>
> another "estate" controversy)
>
>
And presumably another archive that is going to be allowed to be reclused
>
from open study, to languish and deteriorate.
:/
>
>
Someone sometime on this list said that all writers should take care to
>
make clear the _exact_ terms of their desires for disposition of their
>
literary estate. Very true. Do we really need to waste precious time of
>
life in "Jack [or Bill or Allen] woulda WANTED it this way"
arguments?
>
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> Michael R. Brown foosi@global.california.com
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Subject: This body Universe, a sort of BeatZen
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We are the mirror as well as the face in
it. We are tasting the taste
this moment of eternity. We are Pain and
what cures pain, both.
We are the jar and the sweet cold water
that pours.
- Rumi
No body, No universe (A la heart sutra).
No here, no there.
Only both. No either/or. We are the stuff
that the universe is made
of. A singularity contains aspects of the
whole. Universe is
perpetuated through body. Things are void
of preconceptions. Certain
distinctions are only forms dancing
before our eyes. there is
something beyond the forms. we speak as if
absolute is before us. all
there is, is endless wonder. as Corso
says, "Never find Forever."
-off the cuff musings after reading
BeatZen emails and trying to stay
grounded during manic work day.
Hope you all are well.
Peace be upon you.
Sean D. Young
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:22:00 -0500
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Subject: Re: THE BALLAD OF IRA HAYES
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Poor
old drunken Ira Hayes?
According
to Johnny Cash's Greatest Hits, Volume One it was written by
P.
LaFarge. I presume no relation to
LaBarge.
David
Bruce Rhaesa wrote:
> it
has a beat
>
>
does anybody know the lyrics?
>
does anybody know WHO allegedly wrote it?
>
does anybody know WHICH BEAT WRITER ACTUALLY WROTE IT?
> is
it true it was written in Mary's Vineyard outside EUGENE OREGON?
>
>
trivia questions?
>
>
pandur
--
Peace,
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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