riot gear, ready to arrest the environmentalists. OK,
> alot of the
environmentalists are the granola type, but the cops has > gas masks on their
belts, batons
in hands, and face shields. What the > hell are we fighting for.
> I thought this stuff went out in the 60s. It's
10:00 pm. Do you
> know what the fuck your government is doing?
***
Perhaps we were just practice'n. The gun battles
between police and drug
dealers in inner cities across Amerika is war! It is
people fighting for
their right to participate in the economy as it allows
them; deals them
that little piece of turf no one wants; and then turns
to wage war
against them for trying to work at the only job it
allows or gives up
that can pay all the bills, buy all hierarchical
needs--because rich-ass
folks like this Mr. Hurwitz (Maxxam
corporation/Pacific Lumber) feels
selling drugs means something not right and has the
power enough to
force his will failing to comprehend a larger picture!
--never knew
Bigger Thomas or even heard of him!
***
What will folks do when they seize their grandparents'
house for failure
to pay property tax payments five times higher than
their monthly
mortgage payment back when they still made 'em? They
had too much pride
to say anything until its too late. How far will folks
go to prevent
that seizure? --to prevent the system from disallowing
those old hard
work'n folks to participate in the system at the
simple level of
remaining in a quaint house they worked and sweat years and years to
own and live in during just these years????
***
Examples exist everywhere when we look! Yet most worry
most about what
product acquisition they'll make next; what mind
massage will they watch
next; what next, pop corn or chips?
***
If the environmentalists numbered 5,000, how many riot
gear-equipped
cops would show up? National guard? Who in the armed
services will join
which side?
***
Don't think the revolution awaits in the future. It
rages daily in the
streets. Millions of folks do not get a chance to
participate
economically and they fight gun battles over territory
with one another
and the system. And if you can't eat the 2000 year old
tree, it assumes
less priority to the millions who do not eat
routinely. They fight for
food--for the right to eat! Or to work to earn enough
dollars to eat!
All priority levels exist intertwined confusing the
overall perspective
provided you see it through the NBC or ABC or CBS or
CNN nightly portal
presentation like most do!
***
The grandparents hate the inner city war, the drug
dealers, drug users,
the police, and the damn hippies in the forest. The
drug dealers can't
trust anyone. The poor see the steaks in the grocery
window and smell
the BBQ cook'n. All the rest through their Ottica
Meloni's see succulent
nipples protruding from her Gianni Versace dress, or
speculate about the
size of his Dockers Kakki dick, hidden . . .
***
I know what most of the cops are doing, thinking about
their next
product acquisition like all the rest . . . pop corn
or chips
***
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From:
John J Dorfner <Jjdorfner@AOL.COM>
Subject:
Kerouac in Rocky Mount, NC
i'm working on a home page for both, Lowell and Rocky
Mount. each will have
a bunch of photographs and text. for right now thou...one can go to
http://members.aol.com/KerouacNC.index.html
and read about Kerouac's life and times in Rocky
Mount, North Carolina.
enjoy.
john j dorfner
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36th anniversary on terra firma
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Full Moon tonight
and anniversary of my birth
36 years
give or take a century
someone asks me
"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
tough question you know
hear it
every year
every year someone's gonna ask
do you you feeeeeel older and
kind of like when asked
how do you feeeeeel
everyday
on street corners from
this person or that person
that don't
wait for the answer
cuz they didn't even realize
that they'd
asked the question
and so
the answer is
yes
i feel a distinct
impression
that i'm about
a day older
give or take
and wonder about the
correspondence of
birthday and full moon
and
certain wonderful Lunacy
somewhere in
the universe today.
[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the
other playing
George Clinton]
david rhaesa
salina, Kansas
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Date:
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From: Patricia Elliott
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Saturday September 20
Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition. Approximately 49 days after
death.
images and or
objects associated with wsb will be burned.
p
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Patricia Elliott wrote:
>
> Saturday September 20
> Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition. Approximately 49 days after
> death.
> images and
or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
> p
I'll be in Disembodied errand to
Denver/Evergreen/Boulder/Aurora so burn
a few for me....
I'm
visiting the Bardo before and after and will be certain to sweep
the floor
david rhaesa
salina, Kansas
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Subject:
rights & permissions
I doubt that any author is ever consulted when Cliff
or Monarch notes
decides to publish a volume on his or her work. These are critical
works that include paraphrase and biographical and
critical commentary.
Rights and permissions aren't necessary.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Patricia Elliott wrote:
> Saturday September 20
> Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition. Approximately 49 days after
> death.
> images and
or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
> p
>
What is this about? What's being burned? And why?
Please explain.
Neil
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MoonFestival
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Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of
windows
to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round,
right?
Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating
MoonFestival here.
A special day, families are long for getting together,
travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however
they are going on.
A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as
today's Moon.
Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of
lenient gaze
last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is
so busy
and is filled up
with affection. You will never be refused
if you wanta take
a ride to Moon.
JK was getting
his "the greatest ride in my life"
from Gothenburg
to Cheyenne
under cold
shining star
he bought boys on
the truck whisky
"You can
have a couple of shots!", boy
Now,in warm
moonlight
folks on the list
would receive the
old Chinese feeling
and a piece of
mooncake
digitally
Ciao
Yan
We share the
Moon.
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:24:07 -0500
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:29:58 -0400
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Subject: Re[2]: knowing the lingo (was: A funny
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Goa is a region in India. It was a very popular destination for
hippies in the late 60s and early 70s and
had a huge drug scene. I've
read one book on the subject, Goa Freaks,
by a woman with the first
name of Cleo but her last name escapes me
now (scary, because I own
the book)...just wondering if anyone on
the list has ever been there.
There's possibly some Beat tie in
(Ginsberg?) but I don't want to tie
the list up with too much discussion of
it.
love and lilies,
matt h.
mhannan@usoc.org
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Subject: Re:
knowing the lingo (was: A funny thing happened...)
Author: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
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Date: 9/15/97 4:15 PM
At 04:57 PM
9/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
> While I'm on the subject, did anyone on
the list ever travel to Goa?
> I'd like to chat with you backchannel if
you did.
What is Goa?
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:33:20 -0700
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Patricia Elliott
wrote:
>
> Image,
picture
> object, thing,
> death,
travel
> 49 days,
time
> buddist,
seeing
> burning,
energy tranferance
> neal which
part didn't you understand,
> how should i
elaborate, which direction
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------Patricia,
My question is
what does it symbolize or do? Does it
have something to
do with the
journey of the soul? And does this
burning of possessions
give energy to
the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
in now after
death?
DC
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:26:59 -0700
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: kerouac on william f. buckley? -Reply
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At 01:36 PM
9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 15
Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:
>
>> Hi
Derek,
>>
>> Some of
the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to
>>
Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner. The blurbs used in this
>>
doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though. Sorry,
>> I can't
help you with locating a transcript.
>>
>> -mark
nigon
>>
>>
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>> "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97
>> 04:47pm
>>>
>> does
anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even better)
>> of
kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i would
>> really
appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious
>> abt
>>
kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as
>> his
comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A
>> LOT abt
this particular interview and would like to check it out myself)
>> THANKS
ya'll
>> yrs
>> derek
>>
>Mark, Derek
and others,
>
>I am also
interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some here?
>And your
opinion?
>
>Ciao
>Yan
>
>We share the
Moon.
>
Yeah, happy moon
festival, y'all.
I saw this movie
a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show was
the one where
Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot
Floogie with the
Floy Floy.
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:34:07 -0700
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma
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At 07:13 AM
9/16/97 +0530, you wrote:
>Full Moon
tonight
>and
anniversary of my birth
>36 years
No way!!!!?????
It's my birthday
too yeah.
Well my
birthday's really in october but it the Chinese calender it's my
birthday.
Same rat year
too.
Amazing.
I thought this
made me the Moon King but maybe you are also the Moon King.
Happy Birthday
David.
>give or take
a century
>someone asks
me
>"well,
do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
>tough
question you know
>hear it
>every year
>every year
someone's gonna ask
>do you you
feeeeeel older and
>kind of like
when asked
>how do you
feeeeeel
>everyday
>on street
corners from
>this person
or that person
>that don't
>wait for the
answer
>cuz they
didn't even realize
>that they'd
>asked the
question
>and so
>the answer is
>yes
>i feel a
distinct
>impression
>that i'm
about
>a day older
>give or take
>and wonder
about the
>correspondence
of
>birthday and
full moon
>and
>certain
wonderful Lunacy
>somewhere in
>the universe
today.
>
>[Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>George
Clinton]
>
>david rhaesa
>salina,
Kansas
>
>
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My daughter and I
were looking at the Moon Sunday night, a couple days
early. It was hard to do because all the clouds
covering it. She's three
and as long as
she's been able to talk we've been looking at the moon.
Sunday you could
see the glow of the full moon spreading out through the
clouds but not
the moon, until if you looked long enough a hole in the
clouds would pass
by and the moon in all it's near full glory and brightness
would pop
through. "There's the moon".
And when it went
back behind the cloud, "Moon gao gao?", that's local baby
talk/english for
"moon went to sleep?" No,
today the Moon is awake but it's
under the covers.
Today I hope
there are no clouds to block your view, and if so I hope the
clouds are moth
eaten and swlirling.
Don't think of Un
Chien Andalou, but I couldn't help it later.
At 10:16 PM
9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Sitting by
the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
>to take an
eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
>Tonight, Sep.
16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
>A special
day, families are long for getting together,
>travelers'd
be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
>as a great
pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
>A hope deep
in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
>Thus the Moon
you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
>last few
hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
>and is filled
up with affection. You will never be refused
>if you wanta
take a ride to Moon.
>
>JK was
getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
>from
Gothenburg to Cheyenne
>under cold
shining star
>he bought boys
on the truck whisky
>"You can
have a couple of shots!", boy
>
>Now,in warm
moonlight
>folks on the
list
>would receive
the old Chinese feeling
>and a piece
of mooncake
>digitally
>
>Ciao
>
>Yan
>We share the
Moon.
>
>
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Thanks Patricia
for the great, intense photo of WSB and for your sharp,
direct poetry.
Ciao !
Francesco
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> Da: Patricia
Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
> A:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Oggetto:
bardo
> Data:
martedl 16 settembre 1997 16.24
>
> Image,
picture
> object,
thing,
> death,
travel
> 49 days,
time
> buddist,
seeing
> burning,
energy tranferance
> neal which
part didn't you understand,
> how should i
elaborate, which direction
>
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Richard...
Isn't this true
of any works, both literary and musical?
I certainly agree
that jazz needs a
comprehensive ear to fully appreciate it, and I'm all for
reading all of
JK, not condensed versions. But, the
point you make here is
no different for
any other work of art. So, in short, ban
all Cliff
Notes... even
though they have the "surgeon general's warning" at the
front! What author WOULD approve of their work being
condensed? I also
agree with
whoever posted the bit about using cliff notes in her past...
there are some
other helps in those cliffs notes besides the summary.
---Wes
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> From:
Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>
> To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re:
kerouac and cliff's notes.
> Date:
Monday, September 15, 1997 6:54 PM
>
> > >
> > If otr
is taught, it is certainly cliff-noted, isn't it. The only
> > way it
wouldn't be is if the Kerouac estate said no, or is that
> >
true? Don't really know myself.
> >
> > Mike
Rice
> >
> There is no
doubt, none, in my mind, that if Kerouac had known of Cliff
> Notes when
he was alive, he would have written specific instructions to
> never give
permission for any of his works, except
*maybe* Town and the
> City, to be
cliff noted.
>
> Kerouac saw
himself as a poet, literary jazz musician, and in jazz you
> dont distill
notes, or attempt to explain jazz in anything less than the
> full
form. You cant explain a Charlie Parker
record by only listening to
> a few
notes. Some things cant be explained
that simply.
>
> RJW
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Hello all,
Well, what I
remember is that Kerouac was drunk and seemed very bored or
irritated...Slumped
in his chair...eyes closed while he
answered...smoking
a cigar. He said the Vietnam war was a
conspiracy to
get jeeps into
the country. He explained that the Beat
Generation
originally
intended to be a movement of beatitude and piety but the
media used the
words like "Beat Insurrection" and "Beat Mutiny" and the
movement was
subsequently taken over by hoodlums. He
also said the
hippies were
"good kids" who were following in the his (Kerouac's)
footsteps. And your right Tim, Kerouac cracked himself
up answereing a
Buckly question
with the Slim Gaillard line. That's what
comes to mind
right off the
bat. I'll have to watch it again.
When I first saw
it, I had read Kerouac and knew about the myth
surrounding his
life, still, I couldn't help but see a man that had
given up long
ago. He seemed to be a shell of a man
grasping for
answers but truly
uninterested in everything. Made me
relook at Kerouac
the man. That there is my opinion.
Good day.
mark
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
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>>>
"Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU> 09/16/97 10:26am
>>>
At 01:36 PM
9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 15
Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:
>
>> Hi
Derek,
>>
>> Some of
the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to
>>
Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner. The blurbs used in
this
>>
doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though.
Sorry,
>> I can't
help you with locating a transcript.
>>
>> -mark
nigon
>>
>>
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>> "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97
>> 04:47pm
>>>
>> does
anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even
better)
>> of
kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i
would
>> really
appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious
>> abt
>>
kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as
>> his
comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A
>> LOT abt
this particular interview and would like to check it out
myself)
>> THANKS
ya'll
>> yrs
>> derek
>>
>Mark, Derek
and others,
>
>I am also
interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some
here?
>And your
opinion?
>
>Ciao
>Yan
>
>We share the
Moon.
>
Yeah, happy moon
festival, y'all.
I saw this movie
a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show
was
the one where
Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot
Floogie with the
Floy Floy.
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Subject: Mime format
As most of you on
the list have noticed, mime format and photographs do
not travel well
on Beat-l. It might be better to mount
such files on a
web page and
provide listmembers with the url so t hat they can download
them to their
hard drives and read them with their browers.
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Diane Carter
wrote:
> My question
is what does it symbolize or do? Does it
have something to do
with the journey of the soul? And does this burning of possessions
> give energy
to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
> in now after
death?
> DC
more information
at clip information from
http://dove.mtx.net.au/~jrowse/dead/tibdead.html
The Bardo Thodol, or Tibetan Book of the
Dead, is an ancient
text that was first put into written form
by the legendary Padma
Sambhava in the 8th century A.D. Translated,
Bardo Thodol
means "liberation by hearing on the
after death plane". The book
acts as a guide for the dead during the
state that intervenes
death and the next rebirth. This
intermediate state is called the
Bardo and lasts for forty nine days.
p
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Happy Birthday
David.
Tell me, Do you
feel any older? (choke)
I just rolled
over # 67 on 09-01--Labor Day and it aint stopped since.
Morrow sent The
Herbert Hunche Reader. I'd never read anything by him.
Started last
night and felt close to him. I've got the basics on-line at
BookZen at:
http://www.bookzen.com/books/068815266Xb.html.
His stories, so
casual and positive, but self deprecating seem touch so
much.... But I've
just started.
Please feel free
to share any thoughts about Huncke with me--and that goes
for anyone on the
List. Just type HUNCKE on the subject line.
Couple of thought
about birthdays:
I've always found
it interesting that some families really get into
celebrating
birthdays for young and old alike while some only do so for
young
children. Those who celebrate--equal
treatment to all--with
elaborate
cooking, baking, gifts, etc. seemed to be a more close-knit--a
tighter family
unit. Happier.
Over the past 60
years I've watched the birthday celebrations in my
extended family
almost disappear. I'm first generation, so growing up the
immediate and
extended family surrounding and supporting Gramma, were very
close.
To my great
surprise, many years later, while in prison in the 60s (and
uncle was so
pissed i was sent to the Federal joint at Leavenworth as a
first offender in
a population where the average prisoner had five previous
incarcertions) I found that the prisoners, and they were a
tough lot, went
to great lengths
to celebrate brithdays. Small gifts, handmade items,
smoke, books,
etc. were given. Cards would arrive from the families of
fellow prisoners
who had tipped off wives, mothers, friends.
The first time it
happened to me caught me by surprise. I'd observed it,
but being so
green--a "fish" in the venacular--I avoided much socialising,
didn't ask
questions, didn't get into the endless I-can-top-that story
telling. As it
turned out it was respected behavior. It was, "doing your
own time."
So birthdays, in
a harsh, repressive, "time" oriented environment that was
completely alien
to free-world home and family, seemed to provide an
opportunity for
prisoners to become, briefly, a
"family."
Again, Happy
Birthday David...and do you feel any................Argh.
j grant
Authors can display
their books F R E E !
http://www.bookzen.com
22,000
visitors since July 1,'96
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=========================
Happy birthday to YOU!
HAPPY
BIRTHDAY DAVID!
WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST.
signers:
Dr Ink
in the name
of
REVERSE ENTROPY ENGINE Ltd.
&
Duracell
in the name
of
THE TIME MACHINE Corporation
&
Rinaldo Rasa.
===========================
>Full Moon
tonight
>and
anniversary of my birth
>36 years
[...]
>david rhaesa
>salina,
Kansas
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From: John J Dorfner <Jjdorfner@AOL.COM>
Subject: Kerouac in Rocky Mount
i typed in the
wrong address
correct address
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/KerouacNC/index.html">Kerouac'
s Rocky Mount,
N.C.</A>
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Rinaldo Rasa
wrote:
>
> =========================
> Happy birthday to YOU!
> HAPPY
BIRTHDAY DAVID!
>
> WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST.
>
> signers:
>
> Dr Ink
> in the name
> of
> REVERSE ENTROPY ENGINE Ltd.
>
> &
>
> Duracell
> in the name
> of
> THE TIME MACHINE Corporation
>
> &
>
> Rinaldo Rasa.
> ===========================
>
> >Full
Moon tonight
> >and
anniversary of my birth
> >36 years
> [...]
> >david
rhaesa
> >salina,
Kansas
Virgos thrive
patricia 47 no 49 no 107
no 24 o forget, my dear one (BOB)
and i
begun the same
age, since we married sometime i am older sometimes he is
older, silly guy
insists it stays the same.
9/8/48
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A couple other
things I remember. He also said the Beat
movement was taken
over by hoodlums,
but he also added communists as I recall.
And he made a
statement: "I got a ticket the other day".
Buckley played
the perfect straightman. "A ticket?
For what?"
"For
decay".
It got laughs.
At 11:00 AM
9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>Well, what I
remember is that Kerouac was drunk and seemed very bored or
>irritated...Slumped
in his chair...eyes closed while he
>answered...smoking
a cigar. He said the Vietnam war was a
conspiracy to
>get jeeps
into the country. He explained that the
Beat Generation
>originally
intended to be a movement of beatitude and piety but the
>media used
the words like "Beat Insurrection" and "Beat Mutiny" and
the
>movement was
subsequently taken over by hoodlums. He
also said the
>hippies were
"good kids" who were following in the his (Kerouac's)
>footsteps. And your right Tim, Kerouac cracked himself
up answereing a
>Buckly
question with the Slim Gaillard line.
That's what comes to mind
>right off the
bat. I'll have to watch it again.
>
>When I first
saw it, I had read Kerouac and knew about the myth
>surrounding
his life, still, I couldn't help but see a man that had
>given up long
ago. He seemed to be a shell of a man
grasping for
>answers but
truly uninterested in everything. Made
me relook at Kerouac
>the man. That there is my opinion.
>
>Good day.
>
>mark
>
>mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>
"Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU> 09/16/97 10:26am
>>>
>At 01:36 PM
9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>On Mon,
15 Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
Derek,
>>>
>>> Some
of the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to
>>>
Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner. The blurbs used in
>this
>>> doumentary
will answer the questions you've asked about though.
>Sorry,
>>> I
can't help you with locating a transcript.
>>>
>>>
-mark nigon
>>>
>>>
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>>>
>>>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97
>>>
04:47pm >>>
>>> does
anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even
>better)
>>> of
kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i
>would
>>>
really appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious
>>> abt
>>>
kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as
>>> his
comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A
>>> LOT
abt this particular interview and would like to check it out
>myself)
>>>
THANKS ya'll
>>> yrs
>>>
derek
>>>
>>Mark,
Derek and others,
>>
>>I am also
interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some
>here?
>>And your
opinion?
>>
>>Ciao
>>Yan
>>
>>We share
the Moon.
>>
>
>Yeah, happy
moon festival, y'all.
>
>I saw this
movie a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show
>was
>the one where
Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot
>Floogie with
the Floy Floy.
>
>
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Happy birthday
David !!!
Ciao !
Francesco
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> A:
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> Oggetto:
36th anniversary on terra firma
> Data:
martedl 16 settembre 1997 3.43
>
> Full Moon
tonight
> ...in
> the universe
today.
>
> [Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
> George
Clinton]
>
> david rhaesa
> salina,
Kansas
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All this talk about birthdays and the moon
is great. I woke up this
a.m. with the
full moon shining in the window. There was a cool breeze
blowing in, and
for a moment I thought I was in the backseat of this '66
Galaxie 500 I
used to have years ago (and often slept in). I must have had
a similar
experience awakening to the moon back in my early twenties, as
the experience
was familiar and quite pleasant.
Happy birthday, David, and all other
Virgos on this list. Mine was
8/29, same as
Bird's.
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From: Wes Lundburg [SMTP:lundburg@TCPNETS.COM]
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Subject: Hypertext notes (& re: kerouac and
cliff's notes)
As a teacher I am
supposed to be against Monarch, York, Coles Notes - =
and I am - but at
the same time, if the reader would never otherwise =
have bothered to
read the original, it can't be all bad. Now most of =
those of my
students who don't read what they're supposed to might never =
get around to
read the original if they passed the first chance by - but =
there's always a
chance that the Notes edition might tempt them to go =
looking for the
original - and that must be good !
As a student I
was grateful for the "help" in the Notes, and well did I =
know that it
wasn't the real thing.
And what about
the notes offered in hypertext ? For instance the =
hypertext used
for Dharma Bums in the CDROMnibus. I thought it was =
brilliant !
Reading a CD_ROM is never going to happen, it's too much of =
a strain on my
eyes. I prefer the book version, and I always will. But =
studying the
hypertext notes bit by bit every once in a while gave me =
tremendous
enjoyment - and taught me something about things I had never =
given thought to
before.
So much so, in
fact, that I have started a project on hypertext using =
the Beats as a
starting point. This project, which will be located at =
(http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/beatgen/beatgen.htm)
,=20
is not online
yet, but it should be in a couple of days time (it's out =
of my hands,
unfortunately). I've probably been inspired by each and =
everyone who has
contributed to BEAT-L since May when I joined the list, =
so if you feel
like stopping by on "The Danish Pathway to the Beat =
Generation - An
Educational Site" you'd be welcome - as will your =
comments, even if
you should choose to crucify me for turning hypertext =
into the Monarch
Notes of Cyberspace. Comments are welcomed at:
beat@systime.dk
(which is the address of the site) or
jenskoch@post1.tele.dk=20
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I honestly don't
know what happened when my post on hypertext etc. came =
to be posted as a
letter from you, Wes. As this post was intended to =
invite people to
go to our Danish site (in a couple of days time) this =
is quite
ridiculous - if a little comical. I sincerely hope it doesn't =
bother you!=20
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>Sitting by
the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
>to take an
eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
>Tonight, Sep.
16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
>A special
day, families are long for getting together,
>travelers'd
be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
>as a great
pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
>A hope deep
in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
>Thus the Moon
you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
>last few
hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
>and is filled
up with affection. You will never be refused
>if you wanta
take a ride to Moon.
>
>JK was
getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
>from Gothenburg
to Cheyenne
>under cold
shining star
>he bought
boys on the truck whisky
>"You can
have a couple of shots!", boy
>
>Now,in warm
moonlight
>folks on the
list
>would receive
the old Chinese feeling
>and a piece
of mooncake
>digitally
>
>Ciao
>
>Yan
>We share the
Moon.
And just before
reading this post I was saying that the moon is full
tonight and I
will gather some wood for a fire as our friends come up to
gather in the
next few hours. We look east across the distant ridge to
watch for the
moon from this 2,000' hilltop in upstate New York. We will be
looking east from
Wheeler Hill and I will think of you, Yan, as the moon
sends its first
light over the ridge.
Michael
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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
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hey there?
i was wondering
if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
mary shelly/mary
wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
doing her masters
thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
prometheus &
i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
you folks would
recommend.
(aint that
strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist
?? haha.)
thanks a HUGE
bundle
yrs
derek
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mike, when you
have the time, please drop a line to me at country@sover.net
enjoy yr moon. i
will be on a hilltop over our 'cold hollow' town of
montpelier. every
night this week i have been walking in the clouds that
shroud the hills,
up from the clarity of the hollow, feeling like i am walking
on clouds.
tonight is clear. will think of you and your celebration.
mc
Michael Czarnecki
wrote:
> >Sitting
by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
> >to take
an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
> >Tonight,
Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
> >A
special day, families are long for getting together,
>
>travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
> >as a
great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
> >A hope
deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
> >
> >Thus the
Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
> >last few
hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
> >and is
filled up with affection. You will never be refused
> >if you
wanta take a ride to Moon.
> >
> >JK was
getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
> >from
Gothenburg to Cheyenne
> >under
cold shining star
> >he
bought boys on the truck whisky
>
>"You can have a couple of shots!", boy
> >
> >Now,in
warm moonlight
> >folks on
the list
> >would
receive the old Chinese feeling
> >and a
piece of mooncake
> >digitally
> >
> >Ciao
> >
> >Yan
> >We share
the Moon.
>
> And just
before reading this post I was saying that the moon is full
> tonight and
I will gather some wood for a fire as our friends come up to
> gather in
the next few hours. We look east across the distant ridge to
> watch for
the moon from this 2,000' hilltop in upstate New York. We will be
> looking east
from Wheeler Hill and I will think of you, Yan, as the moon
> sends its
first light over the ridge.
>
> Michael
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Sorry to post this to the list but I can't
get return addresses from
my program (plus it's good info to all):
to find a particular listerv send the
command
list global XXXXXXXX (Where XXXXXXX is a key word)
to the address:
listserv@listserv.net
this won't give you every list in
existence, but it'll come close
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Author: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
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Date: 9/16/97 2:12 PM
hey there?
i was wondering
if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
mary shelly/mary
wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
doing her masters
thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
prometheus &
i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
you folks would
recommend.
(aint that
strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist
?? haha.)
thanks a HUGE
bundle
yrs
derek
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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
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Patricia Elliott
wrote:
>
> Diane Carter
wrote:
> > My
question is what does it symbolize or do?
Does it have something to do
> with the journey of the soul? And does this burning of possessions
> > give
energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
> > in now
after death?
> > DC
>
> more
information at clip information from
>
http://dove.mtx.net.au/~jrowse/dead/tibdead.html
>
> The Bardo Thodol, or Tibetan Book of the
Dead, is an ancient
> text that was first put into written form
by the legendary Padma
> Sambhava in the 8th century A.D.
Translated, Bardo Thodol
> means "liberation by hearing on the
after death plane". The book
> acts as a guide for the dead during the
state that intervenes
> death and the next rebirth. This
intermediate state is called the
> Bardo and lasts for forty nine days.
> p
this is so
funny. guess we were just a bit ahead of
schedule. Rod came
down on surprise
to visit me for pre-birthday weekend.
One of the many
things we did was
play Timothy Leary's cd taking "Ralph" through the
Bardo chakras on
one boom box while playing clips from many of William's
cds on
another. Highly recommend "But I'm
dying, no you're not" during
the FreakOut
section on the 4th Chakra. Much of Breakthrough
in the
GreyRoom
"shift coordinate points" "mr. martin" "how random is
random"
"you can
only call the old doctor once" "brings down his blue hands to
quiet the
Marks" fit along very well during the Descent into Heaven as
well. Rod left me on loan with a bit of audio
fun. Right now i have
Junkie,
Breakthrough in the Grey Room, Call Me Burroughs, Elvis of
Lettres, Dead
City Radio, Priest They Called Him, Spare Ass Annie, and
Seven Souls
zooming in and out of my boombox. I
might have another one
or two i forgot
to mention!
have fun.
dbr
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Then there's
always the quote from an early David Bowie song
(Quicksand from
Hunky Dory):
"If I don't explain what you want to
know
You can tell me all about it on the next
bardo"
I always wanted
to use that as a .sig quote, but I
figured I'd have
to spend a lot of time explaining
what a bardo is
if I did.
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: something to SPIN...
SPIN magazine,
October 1997, p. 76
The Priest, They
Called Him:
William S.
Burroughs, 1914-1997
Why was the death
of William S. Burroughs such a curiously uneventful event?
Given the
superficial resemblance to the recent passing of friend and fellow
beat Allen
Ginsberg, for example, the two deaths couldn't feel more
different. Like Burroughs, Ginsberg was a writer well
past his prime and a
spotlight addict
inclined to interlope on passing youth-culture movements in
order to extend
his legend. Nonetheless, Ginsberg
remained a force to the
end, an artist
with a sincere political and spiritual agenda who saw his fame
as a way to
provoke cultural change. His death came
as a surprisingly
powerful blow,
even to people who'd long since cringed at his poetry.
On the other
hand, the 83-year-old Burroughs, who died of heart failure
August 2, was an
active relic who had exploited the mystique around his early
work for so long
that I suspect even he didn't know why he was famous
anymore. While he continued to write, he was less an
artist than a retiree
who dabbled in
his former craft. Despite the
omnipresence of his name, he
had ceased to
participate in our world decades ago. He
lived quietly in the
middle of
nowhere, invisible, apart from the occasional cameo, attached to us
only by that
famous visage and voice, and by the well-worn anecdotes and
crackpot theories
he respun endlessly for any interviewer willing to make the
trek to Lawrence,
Kansas.
Don't get me
wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important countercultural
figure. Before heroin addiction stunted his talent,
he wrote a handful of
brilliant,
groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch (1959) and The Wild
Boys (1969). He perfected (but did not invent) the cut-up
technique, one of
the touchstones
of postmodernism and an influence on innumerable writers,
artists,
directors, and musicians, He popularized the idea of experimental
fiction, if more
by dint of his persona than his craft.
Along with Jean
Genet, John
Rechy, and Ginsberg, he helped make homosexuality seem cool and
highbrow,
providing gay liberation with a delicious edge.
In his day,
Burroughs was
arguably the most radical novelist that America had ever
produced.
But the rest of
the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting, the conspiracy
rantings, the
heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.
Not that he didn't
sit in Orgone
Boxes daydreaming of enlightenment, or do drugs into his 80s.
But the mythic status of those oddball
personal habits had everything to do
with the contexts
in which he was placed: To most of the rock bands,
moviemakers, and
Gen X advertisers who dropped Burroughs's trademark exterior
into their
product (notable exception: Gus Van Sant), he was a signifier of
their own daring
and little else. And in allowing this
indiscriminate
dispersal of his
image, Burroughs the complex artist became Burroughs the
simplistic icon.
In a way,
Burroughs died in the late '70s, when he was resurrected from
relative
obscurity and repackaged as a kind of outlaw comedian/philosopher.
Victor Bockris's 1981 book, *With William
Burroughs: A Report from the
Bunker,* a
collection of transcribed dinner conversations and photos,
presents him as a
cranky, befuddled living legend who, when not putting on
clownish displays
of outre behavior, was propped up in front of a passing
array of
worshipful rock stars. It's a well-known
secret that, beginning
with his 1981
"comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose
was a product of
partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books
steadily
diminished. Perhaps this is not a bad
thing in and of itself;
everybody's got
to pay the rent somehow. But the result
is that his death
feels abstract,
only coldly fascinating. The Burroughs
whom most of us know
and love is an
echo, which, thanks to the miracles of sampling, will continue
unimpeded as long
as there are young rebels in need of a transgressive
figurehead.
--DENNIS COOPER
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I saw this as
well. Thnx for posting it.
What about
it? Not the opinion, but the claim that
Burroughs books were
written by ghosts
beginning with Cities of the Red Night?
True?
At 07:11 PM
9/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>SPIN
magazine, October 1997, p. 76
>The Priest,
They Called Him:
>William S.
Burroughs, 1914-1997
>
>Why was the
death of William S. Burroughs such a curiously uneventful event?
>Given the
superficial resemblance to the recent passing of friend and fellow
>beat Allen
Ginsberg, for example, the two deaths couldn't feel more
>different. Like Burroughs, Ginsberg was a writer well
past his prime and a
>spotlight
addict inclined to interlope on passing youth-culture movements in
>order to
extend his legend. Nonetheless, Ginsberg
remained a force to the
>end, an
artist with a sincere political and spiritual agenda who saw his fame
>as a way to
provoke cultural change. His death came
as a surprisingly
>powerful
blow, even to people who'd long since cringed at his poetry.
>
>On the other
hand, the 83-year-old Burroughs, who died of heart failure
>August 2, was
an active relic who had exploited the mystique around his early
>work for so
long that I suspect even he didn't know why he was famous
>anymore. While he continued to write, he was less an
artist than a retiree
>who dabbled
in his former craft. Despite the
omnipresence of his name, he
>had ceased to
participate in our world decades ago. He
lived quietly in the
>middle of
nowhere, invisible, apart from the occasional cameo, attached to us
>only by that
famous visage and voice, and by the well-worn anecdotes and
>crackpot
theories he respun endlessly for any interviewer willing to make the
>trek to
Lawrence, Kansas.
>
>Don't get me
wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important countercultural
>figure. Before heroin addiction stunted his talent,
he wrote a handful of
>brilliant,
groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch (1959) and The Wild
>Boys
(1969). He perfected (but did not
invent) the cut-up technique, one of
>the
touchstones of postmodernism and an influence on innumerable writers,
>artists,
directors, and musicians, He popularized the idea of experimental
>fiction, if
more by dint of his persona than his craft.
Along with Jean
>Genet, John
Rechy, and Ginsberg, he helped make homosexuality seem cool and
>highbrow,
providing gay liberation with a delicious edge.
In his day,
>Burroughs was
arguably the most radical novelist that America had ever
>produced.
>
>But the rest
of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting, the conspiracy
>rantings, the
heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.
Not that he didn't
>sit in Orgone
Boxes daydreaming of enlightenment, or do drugs into his 80s.
> But the
mythic status of those oddball personal habits had everything to do
>with the
contexts in which he was placed: To most of the rock bands,
>moviemakers,
and Gen X advertisers who dropped Burroughs's trademark exterior
>into their
product (notable exception: Gus Van Sant), he was a signifier of
>their own
daring and little else. And in allowing
this indiscriminate
>dispersal of
his image, Burroughs the complex artist became Burroughs the
>simplistic
icon.
>
>In a way,
Burroughs died in the late '70s, when he was resurrected from
>relative
obscurity and repackaged as a kind of outlaw comedian/philosopher.
> Victor
Bockris's 1981 book, *With William Burroughs: A Report from the
>Bunker,* a
collection of transcribed dinner conversations and photos,
>presents him
as a cranky, befuddled living legend who, when not putting on
>clownish
displays of outre behavior, was propped up in front of a passing
>array of
worshipful rock stars. It's a well-known
secret that, beginning
>with his 1981
"comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose
>was a product
of partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books
>steadily
diminished. Perhaps this is not a bad
thing in and of itself;
>everybody's
got to pay the rent somehow. But the
result is that his death
>feels
abstract, only coldly fascinating. The
Burroughs whom most of us know
>and love is
an echo, which, thanks to the miracles of sampling, will continue
>unimpeded as
long as there are young rebels in need of a transgressive
>figurehead.
>--DENNIS
COOPER
>
>
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At 01:38 PM
9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 15
Sep 1997, Jonathan or Jennifer wrote:
>
>> I was in
Barnes and Noble bookstore, browsing through
>> the Jack
Kerouac section, when this lady in her 40's-50's
>> and her
husband walked by. she pointed right at one
>> of
Kerouac's books and said in a loud voice to her
>> husband:
"Know that guy? He was a hippie-beatnik."
>> then she
left. i almost burst out laughing. obviously,
>> this
woman knows nothing about Kerouac. he was totally
>> against
the hippies! Just thought i might share that
>> with
everyone.
>>
>>
-Jennifer
>>
-jt712@netpath.net
>>
>What had
Kerouac said against hippies?
>
>Yan
>We share the
Moon.
>
now that i think
about it, Kerouac wasn't against the
hippies, but i
read somewhere that he opposed many of
the things they
approved of.
-Jennifer
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>My question
is what does it symbolize or do?
Bardo--although I'm not familiar with
the name, is a Buddist
practice which
takes place during 49 days after the a person's death. In
Japan, where I
live, some families hold "Shijukunichi" ("49 Days")
cermonies after a
relative's death. Families will gather at the Buddhist
temple for prayer
lead by the temple priest. Afterward, they will often
bury the ashes in
the grave.
Other families, depending on family
tradition or branch of Buddism
will hold similar
ceremonies 35 days after the death or 1 year after the
death.
I've heard and read (Tibetan Book of
the Dead) that at least in
Tigetan Buddism
these 49 days are not spent idly waiting; the time is used
to prepare the
departing soul for the transformation, hoping to help them
reincarnate at a
more enlightened level, by reading them the Scripture from
the Book of the
Dead (hence the title).
This is my humble and incomplete
understanding. I'm always learning
more, in fact,
received my awaited copy of Some of the Dharma yesterday, so
there may be more
to add to this message later.
>do with the
journey of the soul? And does this
burning of possessions
>give energy
to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be
>in now after
death?
>DC
:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::
Timothy Hoffman
Komaki English
Teaching Center
timothy@gol.com
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Yeah, i was about
to post this too. I was frankly
dissapointed with it.
It just seems to
me that the writer knew very little about William S.
Burroughs besides
the cult, cliche knowledge of him. And
many parts of
the article seem
downright rude. (im paraphrasing)
"Many people felt the
loss of Allen
Ginsberg, even the ones who had spent years cringing at his
poetry." and then "While he continued to write,
he was less an artist
than a retiree
who dabbled in
his former craft." I dont agree
with this at all, and i
think he just
switched mediums. He went beyond writing
to painting and
collages. It seemed like the article wasn't even really
a
tribute to a
great man who had just passed away. It
was saying something
like: "His
artistic genius passed away long a go, so we need not mourn his
body."
I don't know,
maybe im too harsh. but i think it would
have been better
to keep the
article out as a tribute to WSB. Now, on
the other hand, i
liked the article
in Rolling Stone. THAT was a tribute.
-matt
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:27:05 -0500
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I wasn't going to
say anything but wasn't there a study on
coopers that
they caused
asthma. tim, your such a heavy hitter, right, william not
only couldn't
right or think, after all he was old, uh, but elvis really
wrote and
imagined the trilogy, they covered it up because they thought
william's name
was bigger. Then didn't he have a trust
fund, i mean
cooper not elvis.
how many legs
does dennis have?
p
spin sure spent
the money on that.
p
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I gotta say, I was disappointed with
the tone of the SPIN article.
If Cooper and SPIN had not felt the man
deserving of a tribute, why
print anything at
all? Why not just let him pass?
Burroughs' death received a more
respectful and humane treatment
in People, for
God's sake. The People article, brief as it was, did at
least pay heed to
Burroughs' choice of vocation as a way "to write himself
out of" the
hellish situation he was in after the accidental shooting death
of his wife.
Cooper seems to take offense to the
fact that Burroughs had been
enjoying a period
of resurgence in his popularity among the
counterculture/young/personalities
of the music industry when the same can
be said about
other Beat authors. The fact that Burroughs had "dabbled" in
media other than
writing should only confirm the idea that he was an artist
to the end, sincere
in his beliefs, as human as anyone else, and, because
of his obvious
talents, in death, deserving a fair tribute.
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Hi, Jens! Bother me??? Heck no. Those who know me know that precious
little bothers
me! But I was wondering the same
thing. I'll bet you hit
reply while
reading my post.
I'll look forward
to seeing that site. Would you post it
again when it
goes on line???
---Wes
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Jens Koch wrote:
I honestly don't
know what happened when my post on hypertext etc. came to
be posted as a
letter from you, Wes. As this post was intended to invite
people to go to
our Danish site (in a couple of days time) this is quite
ridiculous - if a
little comical. I sincerely hope it doesn't bother you!
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if spin is going to condemn performers
for living off the laurels
of past
achievement, why then didn't they give jerry garcia the same going
over?
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From: Jeff Taylor
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On Tue, 16 Sep
1997, Attila Gyenis wrote:
> Headwaters
Forest - the last remaining old growth forest, Redwood trees 500
> to 2,000
years old, that are privately owned. And owned by Mr. Hurwitz
> (Maxxam
corporation/Pacific Lumber) who is tying to get ransom money for it
> from the
government and taxpayers in the amount of $380 million dollars USA,
> otherwise
the forest, nature, animals, rivers, all go. It's 10:00 pm. Do you
> know what
the fuck your government is doing?
>
> I don't know
if Jack would have stood for it. Are
trees beat?
from Desolation
Angels, ch32:
"As far as I
can see and as I am concerned, this so-called Forest Service
is nothing but a
front, on the one hand a vague Totalitarian governmental
effort to
restrict the use of the forest to people, telling them they cant
camp here or piss
there, it's illegal to do this and you're allowed to do
that, in the
Immemorial Wilderness of Tao and the Golden Age and the
Milleniums of
Man--secondly it's a front for the lumber interests, the net
result of the
whole thing being, what with Scott Paper Tissue and such
companies logging
out these woods year after year with the 'cooperation'
of the Forest
Service which boasts so proudly of the number of board feet
in the whole
Forest (as if I owned an inch of a board altho I cant piss
here nor camp
there) result, net, is people all over the world are wiping
their ass with
the beautiful trees--"
*******
Jeff Taylor
taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
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From: Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>
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> if spin is going to condemn performers
for living off the laurels
> of past
achievement, why then didn't they give jerry garcia the same going
> over?
This is true -- I
don't know what the hell got into Spin.
I've
sometimes
critiqued Burroughs myself, but one thing you've got
to say is he aged
pretty well, and always kept us guessing what
he was going to
do next. I'd rather go out that way than
a lot
of other ways.
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Leon Tabory
wrote:
>
> Happy birthday David!
>
> A bit late
again, among other things work does is you get behind ,
running
behind the threads as as Yan would say, but it is all right in many
other ways
and I am not too late yet to wish you a happy
birthday or to share the moon
celebrating...
>
> I am no
longer shocked that you are only thirty six,
I got over that after
seeing your picure. I had pictured you as
having become wisened through the
years, but I saw that your mind was way ahead
of your years by that much and it
obviously didn't hurt you none in the body either.
>
> So now I
have an acceptable reason to congratulate you, and since us oldtimers
ain't doin our job if we ain't givin no
advice, take it from one who is going
to be doubling your years in a couple of
weeks, You can pave your road with
rose petals no matter what curves they put in
your way!
>
> Had I only
realized it was going to go on being
that good I would have saved
me some pretty heap of waste looking for the
ravages of age. coming at me. Sure
can bet on tha.t but it ain't near as bad as
you might imagine. You even get
used to those wrinkles and the grey hairs and
there is more fun awaiting than
you can shake a stick at. And not only that,
you get smarter to dig all those
goodies. Ha Ha! Have a good one!
>
> One thing
though - Is it all that firm? sometimes it feels a little shaky to
me. Maybe that's my age creeping up on me. Got
my sailors' legs on though, it
all is fun.
>
> leon
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: RACE
--- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
> To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
> Date:
Tuesday, September 16, 1997 5:18 AM
> Subject:
36th anniversary on terra firma
>
> >Full
Moon tonight
> >and
anniversary of my birth
> >36 years
> >give or
take a century
> >someone
asks me
>
>"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
> >tough
question you know
> >hear it
> >every
year
> >every
year someone's gonna ask
> >do you
you feeeeeel older and
> >kind of
like when asked
> >how do
you feeeeeel
> >everyday
> >on
street corners from
> >this
person or that person
> >that
don't
> >wait for
the answer
> >cuz they
didn't even realize
> >that
they'd
> >asked
the question
> >and so
> >the
answer is
> >yes
> >i feel a
distinct
>
>impression
> >that i'm
about
> >a day
older
> >give or
take
> >and
wonder about the
>
>correspondence of
> >birthday
and full moon
> >and
> >certain
wonderful Lunacy
>
>somewhere in
> >the
universe today.
> >
>
>[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
> >George
Clinton]
> >
> >david
rhaesa
> >salina,
Kansas
> >.-
> >
thanks for the
kind note.
of course it
isn't always that firm.
many many methods
for dealing with the anti-firm moments.
my most
successful is
probably to count to 100 than count down to -500 and back
up to zero.
there is rarely
something anti-firm with the patience to withstand this
procedure ... of
course, i often fall asleep somewhere along the way...
still hoping to
come out that way later this fall or in the spring.
this weekend
taking my mother to denver to visit my sister and i'll play
with nephew nate
and move up the road to evergreen to an old friend and
to Boulder to
seek out the Disembodied Poets....always have wondered
exactly what that
means...hope that they ain't so disembodied that they
are invisible.
i'm blocked off
the computer right now so will send this in the morning.
thanks again.
words of advice
to young folks are always in order!
shalom,
david
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At 07:45 PM
9/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
> You too Tim!
Last but not least of the thrty sixers! Greetings from your
ols stomping
grounds! Not only a full moon but the sunsets from Natural
Bridges are more
stunning than they ever were. Happy trails Tim
>
>leon
Thanks Leon you
make me nostalgic for the old town.
I bet the moon is
great from a Lompico view through the redwoods
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: Timothy
K. Gallaher <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>
>To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>Date:
Tuesday, September 16, 1997 8:44 AM
>Subject: Re:
36th anniversary on terra firma
>
>
>
>>At 07:13
AM 9/16/97 +0530, you wrote:
>>>Full
Moon tonight
>>>and
anniversary of my birth
>>>36
years
>>
>>
>>No
way!!!!?????
>>
>>
>>It's my
birthday too yeah.
>>
>>Well my
birthday's really in october but it the Chinese calender it's my
>>birthday.
>>
>>Same rat
year too.
>>
>>Amazing.
>>
>>I thought
this made me the Moon King but maybe you are also the Moon King.
>>
>>Happy
Birthday David.
>>
>>
>>>give
or take a century
>>>someone
asks me
>>>"well,
do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
>>>tough
question you know
>>>hear
it
>>>every
year
>>>every
year someone's gonna ask
>>>do
you you feeeeeel older and
>>>kind
of like when asked
>>>how
do you feeeeeel
>>>everyday
>>>on
street corners from
>>>this
person or that person
>>>that
don't
>>>wait
for the answer
>>>cuz
they didn't even realize
>>>that
they'd
>>>asked
the question
>>>and
so
>>>the
answer is
>>>yes
>>>i
feel a distinct
>>>impression
>>>that
i'm about
>>>a day
older
>>>give
or take
>>>and
wonder about the
>>>correspondence
of
>>>birthday
and full moon
>>>and
>>>certain
wonderful Lunacy
>>>somewhere
in
>>>the
universe today.
>>>
>>>[Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>>>George
Clinton]
>>>
>>>david
rhaesa
>>>salina,
Kansas
>>>
>>>
>>.-
>>
>
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Just noticed that
KQED in San Francisco is airing a show on AG--"The
Life and Times of
Allan Ginsberg" Wednesday night (tomorrow) at 10pm.
Public TV viewers
in other markets might want to check their schedules.
I don't know who
is producing this one. (I saw the ad as
I was on the
phone with the
sound off on TV).
J. Stauffer
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From: Richard D Raymond
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Subject: kerouac quarterly?
My name is Ricky Raymond, and I am a relative
neophyte to the beat
writers and the
world of bickering they left in their wake. I was going
through some old
messages from the list, and found a particularly biting
response from you
to nicosia in which you mentioned a Kerouac Quarterly.
Could you send me
subscription info? thanks.
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We got old timers
and prospectors on this hyar hookup!
Mike Rice
At 07:36 PM
9/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
> Happy
birthday David!
>
>A bit late
again, among other things work does is you get behind ,
running behind
the threads as as Yan would say, but it
is all right in many
other ways and I
am not too late yet to wish you a happy birthday or to
share the moon
celebrating...
>
>I am no
longer shocked that you are only thirty six,
I got over that after
seeing your
picure. I had pictured you as having become wisened through the
years, but I saw
that your mind was way ahead of your years by that much and
it obviously
didn't hurt you none in the body either.
>
>So now I have
an acceptable reason to congratulate you, and since us
oldtimers ain't
doin our job if we ain't givin no advice, take it from one
who is going to
be doubling your years in a couple of weeks, You can pave
your road with
rose petals no matter what curves they put in your way!
>
>Had I only
realized it was going to go on being
that good I would have
saved me some
pretty heap of waste looking for the ravages of age. coming at
me. Sure can bet
on tha.t but it ain't near as bad as you might imagine. You
even get used to
those wrinkles and the grey hairs and there is more fun
awaiting than you
can shake a stick at. And not only that, you get smarter
to dig all those
goodies. Ha Ha! Have a good one!
>
>One thing
though - Is it all that firm? sometimes it feels a little shaky
to me. Maybe
that's my age creeping up on me. Got my sailors' legs on
though, it all is
fun.
>
>leon
>
>-----Original
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>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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>Date:
Tuesday, September 16, 1997 5:18 AM
>Subject: 36th
anniversary on terra firma
>
>
>
>>Full Moon
tonight
>>and
anniversary of my birth
>>36 years
>>give or
take a century
>>someone
asks me
>>"well,
do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"
>>tough
question you know
>>hear it
>>every
year
>>every
year someone's gonna ask
>>do you
you feeeeeel older and
>>kind of
like when asked
>>how do
you feeeeeel
>>everyday
>>on street
corners from
>>this person
or that person
>>that
don't
>>wait for
the answer
>>cuz they
didn't even realize
>>that
they'd
>>asked the
question
>>and so
>>the
answer is
>>yes
>>i feel a
distinct
>>impression
>>that i'm
about
>>a day
older
>>give or
take
>>and
wonder about the
>>correspondence
of
>>birthday
and full moon
>>and
>>certain
wonderful Lunacy
>>somewhere
in
>>the
universe today.
>>
>>[Soundtrack:
two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing
>>George
Clinton]
>>
>>david
rhaesa
>>salina, Kansas
>>.-
>>
>
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: something to spin...
SPIN is just very
uneven. They are not as predictable as
Rolling Stone,
which can be
refreshing. But SPIN lets a lot of silly
stuff into print -
poorly written,
poorly researched, poorly edited if at all, and the Burroughs
piece was an
example of all of the above, more like what you would expect
from a college
newspaper, just one guy musing about his poorly formed
impressions
rather than anything resembeling journalism.
SPIN's list of
the 40 most important musicians about six months ago was just
hysterical. Warhol was wrong, at places like SPIN fame
comes and goes in way
under 15
minutes. SPIN has trouble dealing with
the fact that sometimes
there are a few
folks that actually are famous and "in" for a little more
than a few
hours. Like him or not, William S.
Burroughs was one of that
breed. Its not surprising that some have trouble
dealing with that.
Howard Park
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At 03:16 PM
4/26/97 EST, you wrote:
> My name is Ricky Raymond, and I am a relative
neophyte to the beat
>writers and
the world of bickering they left in their wake. I was going
>through some
old messages from the list, and found a particularly biting
>response from
you to nicosia in which you mentioned a Kerouac Quarterly.
>Could you
send me subscription info? thanks.
>
Hi...the info can be found at The Kerouac
Quarterly web site at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
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On Tue, 16 Sep
1997 16:15:37 -0700 Timothy K. Gallaher
wrote:
[snip]
> >Don't
get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important
countercultural
>
>figure. Before heroin addiction stunted
his talent, he
wrote a handful
of
>
>brilliant, groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch
(1959) and The
Wild
> >Boys
(1969).
Pardon me if I'm
wrong here, but wasn't Burroughs so much on
smack whilst
writing Naked Lunch that he claimed in the
introduction that
he could not remember writing bits of it
(a claim that was
taken up by Kronenberg in his film of the
book when
Ginsberg and Kerouac visit him in Interzone with
his
"book" and he says that he knows nothing about it.)?
In his day,
>
>Burroughs was arguably the most radical novelist that
America had ever
>
>produced.
As far as I'm
concerned, he's still the most radical
novelist that
America has ever produced. Who else
tackled
the theoretical
premises that had been taken as being as
natural as
breathing to novelists both before and after, and
did his best, if
not to destroy them, then to subvert them
by showing that
great literature can be created without the
traditionally
accepted guidelines. His un-systematic
destruction of
the narrative structure was (I think I'm
right in saying)
the first of its kind, if not only the
first to push the
boundaries as far as they could go.
Cut-up was
important not just as a new method (and Burroughs
was arguably the
first to bring it into widely-seen word
collages) but
also because it shows us what had been taken
for granted up to
then, and what could be done by breaking
the rules. Kerouac is often seen to be a more important
literary figure,
but his theories of spontaneous poetics
were mainly
distilled from Joyce and others.
Personally I
find most
stream-of-conciousness-type-stuff completely
unreadable, but
it's important for the same reasons.
> >But the
rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting,
the conspiracy
>
>rantings, the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.
I'm sure that his
wife would not be happy to learn that.
And I think it's
a little unfair.
All great figures
of the sixties (and, yeah, before and
after) were
eventually taken over by their own myths, being
consumed by the
legend and eventually disappearing up their
own
arseholes. I think Burroughs fought this
better than
most, and I think
his memory deserves better.
It's a well-known secret that, beginning
> >with his
1981 "comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night,
Burroughs's prose
> >was a
product of partial ghostwriting, and that his
involvement in
his books
> >steadily
diminished.
And yet, inmo,
The Western Lands was Burrough's second best
book (first being
the sublime Ghost of Chance). It drew
all
the threads
together and illuminated many dark corners of
his mind and
thoughts that would have otherwise remained
vague impressions
only.
Burroughs is the
most undervalued writer of the century.
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"To know,
and be not knowing."
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: something to SPIN...
To Tom Harberd--
Tim Gallaher is
not the author of that Burroughs stuff, but just one of the
respondents to
it. The author is Dennis Cooper, and the article appears in
this month's
issue of SPIN magazine.
I posted the
article to the list for comment. All those who disagree with
Cooper's
assessment should also consider writing to SPIN to register their
complaints
formally.
These are
addresses for the editorial offices of SPIN. Take your pick.
Spin Magazine 6 W
18th St, New York, NY 10011-4608
Phone:
(212)633-8200 Fax: (212)633-2668
Spin Magazine
11950 San Vicente Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90049-5013
Phone:
(310)820-8183
Spin Magazine 447
Battery St, San Francisco, CA 94111-3202
Phone:
(415)981-7746
Also, they have a
website titled "Spin Online," apparently, but I haven't
been able to
divine its whereabouts. If anyone knows the URL, please send it
to me.
Thanks.
diane
P.S. I haven't
had any use for SPIN magazine since its 1995 article on
celebrity
"male bimbos," whom they referred to as "himbos," which was
so
baldly sexist and
offensive I couldn't believe they didn't get their asses
sued off.
Always, consider
the source. Never trust a magazine to present facts. They
are all in the
entertainment biz today.
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Since i won't be
able to be in Lawrence on the 20th i was going to take
my little Pocket
Tibetan Book of the Dead in pocket and head up from
Aurora to
Boulder. Have my only little Bardo
moments there.
Wondering about
directions? I've heard that Arapahoe and
Pearl are
streets to wander
along. Are there others? Any doors i should knock on
unannounced????
david rhaesa
salina, Kansas
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Subject: Re: romantic lit. /
shelley&wollstonecraft listserv?
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derek: i'd try
asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also
i think your
needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific
lit list. i don't
have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more
detailed
response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a
great scifi/time
travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly
way.
mc
Derek A. Beaulieu
wrote:
> hey there?
> i was
wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
> mary
shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
> doing her
masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
> prometheus
& i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
> you folks
would recommend.
> (aint that
strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist
> ?? haha.)
> thanks a
HUGE bundle
> yrs
> derek
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Ed Sanders has a word for this sort of
"Spin".
He calls it a "Poe job". It's
the same old establishment
bashing the artist while they're alive and
after
they're dead. Edgar still gets this once in
a while.
The sad part is that WSB has been on
SPIN's list of
contributing editors and WSB gives praise
to Dennis
Cooper in a blurb on one of Cooper's
books. Dennis owes
a lot to Burroughs. Cooper doesn't even
have his facts
together.
Burroughs deserves better. It's magazines
like SPIN that
capitalized on Burroughs name. It is the
media that has
treated Burroughs like an icon.
Burroughs has always been 100% himself.
His work will stand up.
Sean
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mc
done a serach
(listserv@listserv.net) for romantic, shelley,
wollstonecraft,
romanticist, byron, 18 th century literature with no dice
so far. no help
from boho's either. theres gott abe something on all them
listservs out
there. gotta be something of use, no?
thanks for all
the help ive received so far - i really appreciate it.
yrs
derek
On Wed, 17 Sep
1997, Marie Countryman wrote:
>
> derek: i'd
try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also
> i think your
needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific
> lit list. i
don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more
> detailed
response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a
> great
scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly
> way.
> mc
>
> Derek A.
Beaulieu wrote:
>
> > hey
there?
> > i was
wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
> > mary
shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
> > doing
her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
> >
prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
> > you
folks would recommend.
> > (aint
that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist
> > ??
haha.)
> > thanks
a HUGE bundle
> > yrs
> > derek
>
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At 08:53 AM
9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>SPIN is just
very uneven. They are not as predictable
as Rolling Stone,
>which can be
refreshing. But SPIN lets a lot of silly
stuff into print
Yeah, I'd agree
with you. They may actually have done a
piece putting down
Jerry Garcia as
someone brought up as a theoetical comparison.
Spin was recently
bought by Vibe. I don't know if there is
a new staff yet
but I did notice
that for the last two issues they have not had the Words
from the Front
coulmn on AIDS that has been in each issue for a decade now.
I assume it has
been discontinued which is too bad.
-
>poorly
written, poorly researched, poorly edited if at all, and the Burroughs
>piece was an
example of all of the above, more like what you would expect
>from a
college newspaper, just one guy musing about his poorly formed
>impressions
rather than anything resembeling journalism.
>
>SPIN's list
of the 40 most important musicians about six months ago was just
>hysterical. Warhol was wrong, at places like SPIN fame
comes and goes in way
>under 15
minutes. SPIN has trouble dealing with
the fact that sometimes
>there are a
few folks that actually are famous and "in" for a little more
>than a few
hours. Like him or not, William S.
Burroughs was one of that
>breed. Its not surprising that some have trouble
dealing with that.
>
>Howard Park
>
>
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reading you loud
and clear, m'dear.
mc
Sherri wrote:
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> ciao,
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Wondering about
directions? I've heard that Arapahoe and
Pearl are
streets to wander
along. Are there others? Any doors i should knock on
unannounced????
Arapahoe and Pearl (esp. the Pearl Street
Mall(a walking mall, full of
buskers on the weekend, etc.)) are fun
spots. You might check out the
Beat Book Store, don't have an address but
if you pick up one of the
free indy papers floating around I'm sure
it'll have an ad. Can't
remember the real name of The Hill but you'll
find it, or it'll find
you, that's the other "cool"
street in town.
Naropa is on Arapahoe, always something
going on there.
love and lilies,
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derek : i just
did a search engine on my own bookshelves. a great place to start
is a book by
sandra m. gilbert and susan gubar: _the madwoman in the attic_::the
woman writer and
the nineteeth century literary imagination. let me know if you
need it mailed up
to you if you guys can't get a copy (yale univ. press
copywrite
'79.
hope this helps:
they are feminist scholars. underline scholars.
mc
Derek A. Beaulieu
wrote:
> mc
> done a
serach (listserv@listserv.net) for romantic, shelley,
>
wollstonecraft, romanticist, byron, 18 th century literature with no dice
> so far. no
help from boho's either. theres gott abe something on all them
> listservs
out there. gotta be something of use, no?
> thanks for
all the help ive received so far - i really appreciate it.
> yrs
> derek
>
> On Wed, 17
Sep 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:
>
> >
> > derek:
i'd try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also
> > i think
your needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific
> > lit
list. i don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more
> >
detailed response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a
> > great
scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly
> > way.
> > mc
> >
> > Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
> >
> > >
hey there?
> > > i
was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or
> > >
mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is
> > >
doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
> > >
prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that
> > >
you folks would recommend.
> > >
(aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C
romanticist
> > > ??
haha.)
> > >
thanks a HUGE bundle
> > >
yrs
> > >
derek
> >
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Me the same !
Francesco
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> Data:
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> reading you
loud and clear, m'dear.
> mc
>
> Sherri
wrote:
>
> > i'm
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> > about
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> >
> > ciao,
> > sherri
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Hi,
I saw this posted
at the New York Times web site. They
have a forum on
Kerouac
going. The topic is "Kerouac:
Writer or Typist" And the opening
question is
"Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
writing, but
typing. Dig it?".
Someone called
ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
provided some
interesting info. He (or she) wrote:
For anyone interested in a glimpse of
Kerouac's
never-before-available
road diaries, check out The
New Yorker in the coming weeks.
Kerouac's literary executor,
Douglas Brinkley
(author of The
Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
early
correspondence The Proud
Highway, among other things), is
going to edit and publish this
epic journal and
will be offering
a few excerpts from the diaries in an
upcoming issue of The New
Yorker.
Anyone know anything
about this?
Is Brinkley the
literary executor?
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On Wed, 17 Sep
1997, Mike Rice wrote:
> We got old
timers and prospectors on this hyar hookup!
>
> Mike Rice
Don't forget us
whippersnapper voyeurs!
Jorgiana
**************
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Sherri wrote:
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> i'm trying
to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would someone
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> about an
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>
> ciao,
> sherri
seems to be
working fine.... dbr
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I have sent this
message to the beat-l and have also sent it to you directly
at
love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM
If you don't get
two copies of this message you are not resubscribed.
The major problem
people will have when subscribing is that they will send
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At 05:37 PM
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>Is Brinkley
the literary executor?
Are you sure it didn't say
"executioner"? Although I'm a
fan of
Brinley's, he can border on soppy. The Majic Bus, as a concept of
education is wonderful, as a book it's a
very interesting read, as
literature it's soggy with emotionalism.
love and soggy lilies,
matt h.
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At 12:48 PM
9/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I saw this
posted at the New York Times web site.
They have a forum on
>Kerouac
going. The topic is "Kerouac:
Writer or Typist" And the opening
>question is
"Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
>writing, but
typing. Dig it?".
>
>Someone
called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
>provided some
interesting info. He (or she) wrote:
>
>
> For anyone interested in a glimpse of
Kerouac's
>never-before-available
road diaries, check out The
> New Yorker in the coming weeks.
Kerouac's literary executor,
>Douglas
Brinkley (author of The
> Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
>early
correspondence The Proud
> Highway, among other things), is
going to edit and publish this
>epic journal
and will be offering
> a few excerpts from the diaries in an
upcoming issue of The New
>Yorker.
>
>
>
>Anyone know
anything about this?
>
>Is Brinkley
the literary executor?
>
NO. John Sampas, Jack's brother in law, is the
Executor of The Estate of
Jack Kerouac.
-Jon
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SPIN was always
very snide about the Dead. I once talked
to Gucione
personally about
it, the the NYU Beat Conference.
Howard
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As luck would
have it, my local PBS station chose not to broadcast _The Life
and Times of
Allen Ginsberg_ tonight. I also missed it when it came to the
local alternative
cinema house. Anyone taping it, and willing to trade? I
have a couple
Beat-related (and otherwise) things on tape.
Email me
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Michael Stutz
wrote:
>
> As luck
would have it, my local PBS station chose not to broadcast _The Life
> and Times of
Allen Ginsberg_ tonight. I also missed it when it came to the
> local
alternative cinema house. Anyone taping it, and willing to trade? I
> have a
couple Beat-related (and otherwise) things on tape.
>
> Email me
privately at stutz@dsl.org if interested. Thanks.
my library had it
and i really enjoyed it awhile back. I
must say the
section of Louis
G. reading at father's grave and then Allen doing
Father death
blues pushed me to the point of weeping.
david rhaesa
salina, Kansas
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What can be said
about the irreverent, trashy, poorly-written, Gen-X
biased,
idiot-authored piece abou the death of Burroughs that appeared
in SPIN? You know, maybe he was right, you know, maybe
Burroughs
isn't a genius...
and maybe I'm not angry about the article, either...
'Cause ya know,
it's not like Burroughs has put out any books lately,
like
_My_Education_, or anything like that.
It's not like Burroughs
was a literary
genius, perhaps the most important novelist that the
world has ever
known, not to mention the most revolutionary.
But I get too
carried away in the sarcasm...
As a Gen-Xer
myself, (and god do I wish I wasn't) I can see what
happened in the
article. The author exhibited signs of
"Indie Rock
Disease." Indie Rock Disease, or IRD, is a disease
found most
commonly amongst
punk, hard-core, and post-punk listening kids that
congregate in
coffeehouses and music clubs. IRD is
itself
debilitating and
may cause spontaneous atrophying of the brain if it
goes unchecked. IRD manifests itself as a sort of hubris, in
which
the victim
believes that anything in particular can be cool, in and of
its own merit,
until other people start to like it, i.e., it becomes
popular, i.e., it
comes into public scrutiny. At such a
point,
whatever was
considered cool is now cast away as "sold out" and
ignored but for
bitching rants that the victim may go off on.
As the writer of
this article was the victim of a terrible, terrible
disease, I say
that perhaps we shouldn't even blame him.
Maybe we
shouldn't even
consider the fact that he wrote anything.
Maybe we
should just go
about our daily Beat business and ignore anything that
this poor,
ignorant, stupid, disease-stricken kid had to say.
thank you for your time,
Dr. Adam J Muszkiewicz,
PhD
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i've always
wondered if this had been given a real
name.... just as
plausible as ADD.
randy
> What can be
said about the irreverent, trashy, poorly-written, Gen-X
> biased,
idiot-authored piece abou the death of Burroughs that appeared
> in
SPIN? You know, maybe he was right, you
know, maybe Burroughs
> isn't a
genius... and maybe I'm not angry about the article, either...
> 'Cause ya
know, it's not like Burroughs has put out any books lately,
> like
_My_Education_, or anything like that.
It's not like Burroughs
> was a
literary genius, perhaps the most important novelist that the
> world has
ever known, not to mention the most revolutionary.
> But I get
too carried away in the sarcasm...
> As a Gen-Xer
myself, (and god do I wish I wasn't) I can see what
> happened in
the article. The author exhibited signs
of "Indie Rock
>
Disease." Indie Rock Disease, or
IRD, is a disease found most
> commonly
amongst punk, hard-core, and post-punk listening kids that
> congregate
in coffeehouses and music clubs. IRD is
itself
> debilitating
and may cause spontaneous atrophying of the brain if it
> goes
unchecked. IRD manifests itself as a
sort of hubris, in which
> the victim
believes that anything in particular can be cool, in and of
> its own
merit, until other people start to like it, i.e., it becomes
> popular,
i.e., it comes into public scrutiny. At
such a point,
> whatever was
considered cool is now cast away as "sold out" and
> ignored but
for bitching rants that the victim may go off on.
> As the
writer of this article was the victim of a terrible, terrible
> disease, I
say that perhaps we shouldn't even blame him.
Maybe we
> shouldn't
even consider the fact that he wrote anything.
Maybe we
> should just
go about our daily Beat business and ignore anything that
> this poor,
ignorant, stupid, disease-stricken kid had to say.
>
> thank you for your time,
>
> Dr. Adam J Muszkiewicz, PhD
>
>
>
> ===
> visit my web
site, The Beat(en) Regeneration
>
(http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/6131)
> for info on
the Beat, Beatnik and Neo-Beat subcultures
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_____________________________________________________________________
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>
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On Wed, 17 Sep
1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I saw this
posted at the New York Times web site.
They have a forum on
> Kerouac
going. The topic is "Kerouac:
Writer or Typist" And the opening
> question is
"Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
> writing, but
typing. Dig it?".
>
> Someone
called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
> provided
some interesting info. He (or she)
wrote:
>
>
> For anyone interested in a glimpse
of Kerouac's
>
never-before-available road diaries, check out The
> New Yorker in the coming weeks.
Kerouac's literary executor,
> Douglas
Brinkley (author of The
> Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
> early
correspondence The Proud
> Highway, among other things), is
going to edit and publish this
> epic journal
and will be offering
> a few excerpts from the diaries in
an upcoming issue of The New
> Yorker.
>
WOW!!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!! AHHH!!! Jack's road diaries!?? YAHOOO!!
Man, Douglas
Brinkley is SO COOL. _The Majic Bus_ is
not an attempt at a
novel (although i
think it reads almost like one), but it is beautiful.
The whole idea of
taking the class out of the classroom and into America
is brilliant!
Matt H. calls it
"soppy with emotionalism."
Isn't this the same
discussion that's
been going on about the Beats and their sentimentality.
Professor
Brinkley is also a great poet. I still
ahev my poster from Ron
Whitehead (thanx
Ron, wherever you are!) hanging on my wall:
"Deydrated
Dawns at Cafe du
Monde."
Speaking of
Douglas Brinkley, a friend of mine just called him the other
day, he won't be
back until Monday (must be in NY planning the diary
excerpts, but my
friend and I are trying to
start an
open-mike poetry series here in the Crescent City. I can't wait!
a ball of
excitement,
-matt
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>
> Anyone know
anything about this?
>
> Is Brinkley the
literary executor?
>
Brinkley is
currently writing the "authorized" biography of Kerouac, and
is also editing
Kerouac's journals for publication. In
addition, because
of Ann Charters
schedule committments, apparently he may take her place
and edit the
second volume of Kerouac letters.
Apparently, John
Sampas mustbe a big fan of Brinkley. I
guess he read
"Majic
Bus" *shrug*
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I know something
about the "writing/typing" story.
In 1958,
Truman Capote and
Norman Mailer appeared together on David
Susskind's new
Open End TV show. Talk shows were in
their
infancy
then. Capote, then a ten year veteran of
the literary
wars, was jealous
of the sturm and drang created by the appearance
of OTR and the
Beats. Having heard the story that
Kerouac typed
the book in one
sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
the book
"not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile. The
Press was looking
for an excuse to dismiss the Beats.
Within a couple
of years, the
beat generation was out of the newspapers and Capote had
played his angle
to help bring it about. Of course, the whole counter
cultural idea
reemerged by 1965 and the rest is history.
Mike Rice
At 04:39 PM
9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 12:48 PM
9/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I saw
this posted at the New York Times web site.
They have a forum on
>>Kerouac
going. The topic is "Kerouac:
Writer or Typist" And the opening
>>question
is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
>>writing,
but typing. Dig it?".
>>
>>Someone
called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
>>provided
some interesting info. He (or she)
wrote:
>>
>>
>> For anyone interested in a glimpse of
Kerouac's
>>never-before-available
road diaries, check out The
>> New Yorker in the coming weeks.
Kerouac's literary executor,
>>Douglas
Brinkley (author of The
>> Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
>>early
correspondence The Proud
>> Highway, among other things), is
going to edit and publish this
>>epic
journal and will be offering
>> a few excerpts from the diaries in an
upcoming issue of The New
>>Yorker.
>>
>>
>>
>>Anyone
know anything about this?
>>
>>Is
Brinkley the literary executor?
>>
>NO. John Sampas, Jack's brother in law, is the
Executor of The Estate of
>Jack Kerouac.
>
> -Jon
>
>
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From: Jorgiana S Jake
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> Sitting by
the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
> to take an
eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
> Tonight,
Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
> A special
day, families are long for getting together,
> travelers'd
be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
> as a great
pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
> A hope deep
in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
> Thus the
Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
> last few
hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
> and is
filled up with affection. You will never be refused
> if you wanta
take a ride to Moon.
>
> JK was
getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
> from
Gothenburg to Cheyenne
> under cold
shining star
> he bought
boys on the truck whisky
> "You
can have a couple of shots!", boy
>
> Now,in warm
moonlight
> folks on the
list
> would
receive the old Chinese feeling
> and a piece
of mooncake
> digitally
>
> Ciao
>
> Yan
> We share the
Moon.
Yan
A lovely way of
putting what many of us felt last night.
Here in the
desert, the moon
looked larger than I've ever seen it.
Nice to know that
although we love
our little electronic worlds, we still poke our heads
out now and then.
Jorgiana>
**************
You can always tell a Texan, but not much.***************
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At 08:59 PM
9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I know
something about the "writing/typing" story. In 1958,
>Truman Capote
and Norman Mailer appeared together on David
>Susskind's
new Open End TV show. Talk shows were in
their
>infancy
then. Capote, then a ten year veteran of
the literary
>wars, was
jealous of the sturm and drang created by the appearance
>of OTR and
the Beats. Having heard the story that
Kerouac typed
>the book in
one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>the book
"not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile. The
>Press was
looking for an excuse to dismiss the Beats.
Within a couple
>of years, the
beat generation was out of the newspapers and Capote had
>played his
angle to help bring it about. Of course, the whole counter
>cultural idea
reemerged by 1965 and the rest is history.
>
>Mike Rice
Teletype
paper. Teletype paper. Teletype paper. You can't type on toilet
paper - it's too
thin; it would tear. I've always heard
Jack say he wrote
on Teletype
paper.
-Jon
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From: Sean Elias <SPElias@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: R: 36th anniversary on terra firma
In a message
dated 97-09-16 13:12:22 EDT, dufour@ULISSE.IT writes:
<<
Happy birthday David !!!
Ciao !
Francesco
>>
Belated wishes to
you......
one soundtrack
playing the mekons...
another, throbbing gristle......
s/e/
i love the sound
track threat..........
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Subject: Re: bardo
In a message
dated 97-09-16 10:03:24 EDT, nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA (Neil
Hennessy) writes:
<< Saturday September 20
> Bardo is a tibetan buddist
tradition. Approximately 49 days after
> death.
>
images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
> p
>
What is this about? What's being burned? And
why? Please explain.
>>
me too, me too,
yea, I want to know....
burn me if you
must.......
s.e.
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>From the
Kerouac Quarterly:
Douglas Brinkley
will have published a biography of Jimmy Carter. Look for
him in the future
to be involved with some major Kerouac projects which I am
not at liberty to
say right now until he is positively contractually obligated.
More in the
future on The Kerouac Quarterly Web Page to be found at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
>
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
<bocelts@SCSN.NET>
Organization: Law
Office of R. Bentz Kirby
Subject: Death stalking around my
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I received a
phone call tonight that two of my "friends" from high
school died last
week. I say friends in quotes because
only one was a
friend, the other
was at best a rival. They lived entirely
different
lifes. The woman, who was my friend, was called the
essence of
womanhood by our
eighth grade social studies teacher, was cheerleader
etc., was a
counselor, married to a Presbyterian minister, and had the
requisite two
lovely children. On the other hand,
apparently, she was
anorexic (sp?)
and depressed, and committed suicide.
Very tragic to
know how the
illness is still not understood and how she could not have
been helped.
The other a male,
was the "bad kid" in high school, and when I last saw
him he was
mainlining speed, lsd (couldn't get off on orange sunshine
without running
it up) and heroin. Once, I talked him
down from a trip
where he was
burning in hell. When I got him
oriented, he laughed, said
that was fun, and
wanted to do it again. I tried to never
be in his
presence again
after that. He went on a killing spree
in a supermarket
in Texas and was
in "the big house." When his
father died, his step
mother moved to
Texas and married him in prison. But in
the end, he
redeemed
himself. In prison, he heard that
someone had killed some
children. He snitched the man, and they apparently
solved several
murders of
children. He was under
"protection" in the Texas system and
died of sudden
congestive heart failure. Whatever.
Yesterday, I got
some very disheartening personal news.
As I was
driving home with
my three children and they were yelling and fighting I
felt like I might
just lose it. It seemed so
hopeless. But I looked at
the three of them
and realized that the only thing that matters is
loving them so
well. Any thoughts of "running
away" were dissipated.
Tonight a friend
of mine called with some ideas that might solve some of
the problems I
ran into yesterday. Maybe it will work
out in a positive
way.
I chose to avoid
the way my male friend went some 27 years ago, and am
glad I did. But, he did some good in the end. He gave some closure to
some
parents. I envied what I knew of
"Essence" and always had
bemoaned the fact
that I had not been able to be like her.
But, I just
didn't know. (Richard Cory in real life here). Life is a funny thing.
I suppose there
is a novel, short story and a poem in the middle of all
that.
What sadness,
what hope, what tragedy, what redemption, what life is
this and does it
just go spinning off into space? There
is meaning?
There is
hope? There are children. Jimi Hendrix said once, we got to
tell our children
the truth. So that is my truth right now
from
Columbia SC from
a man who is tired and pondering, but I ain't giving up
man. No, I am not
giving up. This kinda of puts things in
perspective
real well. I figure we all got some story like this at
some time or
another. If we just live long enought, eh?
>From the
heart, to my cyber friends on the beat list and the Hendrix
list, and if you
pray, I could use a few right now. I
think Dylan said,
"If there's
an original thought out there, I could use it right now."
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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R. Bentz Kirby
wrote:
>
> I received a
phone call tonight that two of my "friends" from high
> school died
last week. I say friends in quotes
because only one was a
> friend, the
other was at best a rival. They lived
entirely different
> lifes. The woman, who was my friend, was called the
essence of
> womanhood by
our eighth grade social studies teacher, was cheerleader
> etc., was a
counselor, married to a Presbyterian minister, and had the
> requisite
two lovely children. On the other hand,
apparently, she was
> anorexic
(sp?) and depressed, and committed suicide.
Very tragic to
> know how the
illness is still not understood and how she could not have
> been helped.
>
> The other a
male, was the "bad kid" in high school, and when I last saw
> him he was
mainlining speed, lsd (couldn't get off on orange sunshine
> without
running it up) and heroin. Once, I
talked him down from a trip
> where he was
burning in hell. When I got him
oriented, he laughed, said
> that was
fun, and wanted to do it again. I tried
to never be in his
> presence
again after that. He went on a killing
spree in a supermarket
> in Texas and
was in "the big house." When
his father died, his step
> mother moved
to Texas and married him in prison. But
in the end, he
> redeemed
himself. In prison, he heard that
someone had killed some
>
children. He snitched the man, and they
apparently solved several
> murders of
children. He was under
"protection" in the Texas system and
> died of
sudden congestive heart failure.
Whatever.
>
> Yesterday, I
got some very disheartening personal news.
As I was
> driving home
with my three children and they were yelling and fighting I
> felt like I
might just lose it. It seemed so
hopeless. But I looked at
> the three of
them and realized that the only thing that matters is
> loving them
so well. Any thoughts of "running
away" were dissipated.
> Tonight a
friend of mine called with some ideas that might solve some of
> the problems
I ran into yesterday. Maybe it will work
out in a positive
> way.
>
> I chose to
avoid the way my male friend went some 27 years ago, and am
> glad I
did. But, he did some good in the
end. He gave some closure to
> some
parents. I envied what I knew of
"Essence" and always had
> bemoaned the
fact that I had not been able to be like her.
But, I just
> didn't
know. (Richard Cory in real life
here). Life is a funny thing.
> I suppose
there is a novel, short story and a poem in the middle of all
> that.
>
> What
sadness, what hope, what tragedy, what redemption, what life is
> this and
does it just go spinning off into space?
There is meaning?
> There is
hope? There are children. Jimi Hendrix said once, we got to
> tell our
children the truth. So that is my truth
right now from
> Columbia SC
from a man who is tired and pondering, but I ain't giving up
> man. No, I
am not giving up. This kinda of puts
things in perspective
> real
well. I figure we all got some story
like this at some time or
>
another. If we just live long enought,
eh?
>
> >From the
heart, to my cyber friends on the beat list and the Hendrix
> list, and if
you pray, I could use a few right now. I
think Dylan said,
> "If
there's an original thought out there, I could use it right now."
>
> Peace,
> --
> Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
hey man ...
desolation row is
tough some days
luckily there are
other days
see you in
tomorrow
i expect that you
should be there
just ride the
waves
through
the abysses
and find paths
to make it easier
the next time
around
whether it is
next week or next life.
Do EZ,
david rhaesa
salina, Kansas
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Subject: Re: Saturday in Boulder
The Boulder Blues
Festival is this weekend in Central Park, Arapahoe and 13th
from 11am until
7pm. Free adm. Corey Harris and others playing.
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today in the
bookstore where i work, I had the honor of tearing up the
many
"unsold" copies of SPIN which the burroughs article appeared. Just
to let everyobe
know, this atrocious magazine doesn't sell. Then again,
maybe if
Burroughs was on the cover instead of a little blurb on the
bottom right
corner, more issues would be sold and SPIN would be
obligated to
write a better article on him. I am still recovering
from the barrage
of Princess Diane magazines and biographies that my
co-workers and i
must endure from other publications Thank god Old Bull
Lee hasn't
succumbed to a similar fate.
jason
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On Tue, 16 Sep
1997, Leon Tabory wrote:
> Howling at
the moon
The moon is a
quiet spirit.
Must get tired of
all that howling.
I wave, shyly.
Once I looked
through the telescope eyepiece so long
I got moon
blindness.
+ -- + -- + -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
Michael R. Brown foosi@global.california.com
+ -- + -- + -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
o o
o The electrical depths of personality o
o o
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quote...
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Finally, my
chance to make the PhD. pay off...
Somebody on one
of these two lists (I've lost the original post) asked
about a Blake
quatrain and provided the last two lines...
The quote is from
Blake's poem *Eternity*, collected in his *Notebook Poems
and Fragments
*c.* 1789-93*. It's a single quatrain
and can be found on
page 153 of the
*Complete Poems*, published by Penquin and edited by Alicia
Ostriker.
It goes,
ETERNITY
He who binds to
himself a joy
Does the winged
life destroy
But he who kisses
the joy as it flies
Lives in
eternity's sun rise
(In the first
draft, Blake had "binds himself to a joy" in line 1; "But he
who just
kisses..." in line three; and "Lives in an eternal sun rise" in
the final line.)
Hope this helps.
--John
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Pearl Street,s a
good one but Arapahoe's pretty bare (Naropa, housing disembod
ied is there
though)
Check out
broadway and Spruce.
Alison
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From: Feng Yan
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On Wed, 17 Sep
1997, Jorgiana S Jake wrote:
> > Sitting
by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
> > to take
an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
> >
Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
> > A special
day, families are long for getting together,
> >
travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
> > as a
great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
> > A hope
deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
> >
> > Thus
the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
> > last
few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
> > and is
filled up with affection. You will never be refused
> > if you
wanta take a ride to Moon.
> >
> > JK was
getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
> > from
Gothenburg to Cheyenne
> > under
cold shining star
> > he
bought boys on the truck whisky
> >
"You can have a couple of shots!", boy
> >
> > Now,in
warm moonlight
> > folks
on the list
> > would
receive the old Chinese feeling
> > and a
piece of mooncake
> >
digitally
> >
> > Ciao
> >
> > Yan
> > We
share the Moon.
>
> Yan
>
> A lovely way
of putting what many of us felt last night.
Here in the
> desert, the
moon looked larger than I've ever seen it.
Nice to know that
> although we
love our little electronic worlds, we still poke our heads
> out now and
then.
>
> Jorgiana>
>
>
************** You can always tell a Texan, but not much.***************
>
Jorgiana,
I have two windows,
one open to real world, another to soul. I climb out
the latter to
join this electronic world, and look out of the former
to watch the
Moon.
Yan
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On Wed, 17 Sep
1997, Sean Elias wrote:
> In a message
dated 97-09-16 10:03:24 EDT, nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA (Neil
> Hennessy)
writes:
>
>
<< Saturday September 20
> > Bardo is a tibetan buddist
tradition. Approximately 49 days after
> > death.
> >
images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
> > p
> >
> What is this about? What's being burned? And
why? Please explain.
> >>
> me too, me
too, yea, I want to know....
>
> burn me if
you must.......
>
> s.e.
>
I remember some
traditions here after all those description of bardo.
It seems to have
something to do every seven days after one's death.
49 days is seven
time seven days, folks from my born county call it
"seven
seven". My father know such things well, but I not. Families
would burn
commoditis the dead used, plus to money for hell. They
think those
"money" would support the dead's afterlife life. :)
Yan
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On Wed, 17 Sep
1997 10:53:58 -0400 Diane De Rooy wrote:
> From: Diane
De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
> Date: Wed,
17 Sep 1997 10:53:58 -0400
> Subject: Re:
something to SPIN...
> To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> To Tom
Harberd--
>
> Tim Gallaher
is not the author of that Burroughs stuff,
but just one of
the
> respondents
to it. The author is Dennis Cooper, and the
article appears
in
> this month's
issue of SPIN magazine.
>
> I posted the
article to the list for comment. All those
who disagree with
> Cooper's
assessment should also consider writing to SPIN
to register their
> complaints
formally.
>
Ahh... Sorry
about that (sorry Tim.)
So now I realise
what all the fuss is about the article.
Since by all
sounds SPIN are (in Bill Hick's immortal words)
"Suckers of
satan's cock" I doubt I'll be buying the issue
should it even
appear on this side of the Atlantic.
Still
seems wierd that
Ginsberg got so much media coverage, but
Burroughs just
sank without a sign. Probable because I
was
in Belize when it
happened, but still...
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"A Bear of
Very Little Brain"
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The Ginsberg
documentary on American Masters
was very
good. I found myself reading along
with Howl. Ginsberg was a nice fellow and
Howl is a
masterpiece.
Mike Rice
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Mike Rice wrote:
>
> The Ginsberg
documentary on American Masters
> was very
good. I found myself reading along
> with
Howl. Ginsberg was a nice fellow and
> Howl is a masterpiece.
>
> Mike Rice
I really enjoyed
the documentary too. Near the end, he
seemed to read
quite a bit from
Cosmopolitan Greetings. What really hit
me were his
last words:
"Allen Ginsberg warms you: Do not follow my path to
extinction." Does anyone know what poem this is the ending
to?
DC
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The PBS stations
are selling the tape of the broadcast for $29.
Contact your l
ocal pbs station.
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rinaldo: i have
lost the bookmark for your web site. could you or any
one else getting
spammed kindly send the address?
many thanks
mc
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At 09:04 PM
9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> Anyone
know anything about this?
>>
>> Is
Brinkley the literary executor?
>>
>Brinkley is
currently writing the "authorized" biography of Kerouac, and
>is also
editing Kerouac's journals for publication.
In addition, because
>of Ann
Charters schedule committments, apparently he may take her place
>and edit the
second volume of Kerouac letters.
>
Brinkley is
indeed writing the authorized biography. He is also editing the
Kerouac journals
which will appear in three separate books over the years.
Ann Charters is
still the editor of the second volume of selected letters.
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The poem is "After Lalon" from
Cosmopolitan Greetings.
Interesting note: in the selected poems
this last stanza is
edited out. It would be interesting to
find out why.
Sean D. Young
syoung@dsw.com
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Mike Rice wrote:
>
> The Ginsberg
documentary on American Masters
> was very
good. I found myself reading along
> with
Howl. Ginsberg was a nice fellow and
> Howl is a
masterpiece.
>
> Mike Rice
I really enjoyed
the documentary too. Near the end, he
seemed to read
quite a bit from
Cosmopolitan Greetings. What really hit
me were his
last words:
"Allen Ginsberg warms you: Do not follow my path to
extinction." Does anyone know what poem this is the ending
to?
DC
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From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: SPIN
Dr. Adam,
I must say that I
agree with you about the Spin article, but please don't
lump all of
children of gen. X fame into the same category. "Punk" kids
aren't the only
ones who spend their time at coffeehouses. Personally, i find
it a productive
enviornment for poets and kids trying to break from the
traditions of
yore. I go for the open mics, a chance to read my poetry and be
recieved. Its an
intimate atmosphere, hazy and warm. As for the article,
you're right
about ignoring it, but please don't shove kids like me in that
psuedo-intellectual,
post-punk, diseased set simply because we congregate in
coffeehouses.
Thanks, and I really back your opinion save the coffehouse bit,
your insight has
value.
Thank you again,
~~Marlene
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Subject: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
I saw the
documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
As some of you
who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
15-20 minutes
edited from the original film. The most
priceless portion
of the entire
film wasn't shown on PBS. The scene
involved AG chanting
and playing his
organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG
was totally
into his chanting
and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled
AG on the
program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
interact.
Denis Alcock
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FYI:
This Blake poem is on the plaque outside
the
Allen Ginsberg library at Naropa.
I also read a Dylan interview by Jonathan
Cott
(from Rolling Stone 1978) where Dylan
quotes
this poem and mentions that Ginsberg was
always quoting that poem to him.
SDY
syoung@dsw.com
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Finally, my
chance to make the PhD. pay off...
Somebody on one
of these two lists (I've lost the original post) asked
about a Blake
quatrain and provided the last two lines...
The quote is from
Blake's poem *Eternity*, collected in his *Notebook Poems
and Fragments
*c.* 1789-93*. It's a single quatrain
and can be found on
page 153 of the
*Complete Poems*, published by Penquin and edited by Alicia
Ostriker.
It goes,
ETERNITY
He who binds to
himself a joy
Does the winged
life destroy
But he who kisses
the joy as it flies
Lives in
eternity's sun rise
(In the first
draft, Blake had "binds himself to a joy" in line 1; "But he
who just
kisses..." in line three; and "Lives in an eternal sun rise" in
the final line.)
Hope this helps.
--John
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From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Death stalking around my
door/long/true/personal
A friend of mine died this summer, real freak
accident, got hit by the back
door of a truck
as she walking alongside the road. Hadn't talked to her in
about a year. I
was worried about her she'd dropped out of college was into a
lot of drugs, but
i had the insane notion that i might eventually run into
her or call her
sometime. then, poof she dies. put a lot into perspective for
me. i don't have
any children (of my own) to look at for answers, but i am so
more aware of my
own mortality. i can admit that it
scares me. there's a
poem in that too.
i wrote a kind of elegy for my friend and dived deep into
Ginsberg's elegies
for Neal Cassady for support as well as inspiration and
guidance. They
are so touching and haunting and sad. I guess the only thing
we can do is
celebrate life because we haven't died yet. Grab onto to things,
"share the
moon" like Yan said. We can all share tragedy as well, thats why
we're human.
I have so many
things I wished i'd said to her or i'd wished i'd done, but
the bottomline is
its real, and it could happen to me or somebody else i
love. but, i
can't live everyday afraid, so i'll delight in the little
nothings; a
cigarette with a cup of coffee,the way the sky looks before it
rains, full
moons, my little brother's goofy faces, life in general. I'll
hold it along
with the memory of my friend.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Marlene~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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At 09:28 AM
9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I saw the
documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>As some of
you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>15-20 minutes
edited from the original film. The most
priceless portion
>of the entire
film wasn't shown on PBS. The scene involved
AG chanting
>and playing
his organ on the William F. Buckley show.
AG was totally
>into his
chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled
>AG on the
program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
>interact.
>
>
>Denis Alcock
>
Is there a way we
can get ahold of the full footage. Is
the footage you
are referring to
included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
-Jon
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The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
from my local art theatre/video place.
It does have the Buckley footage.
Note:
When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
It was great.
Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
SDY
syoung@dsw.com
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At 09:28 AM
9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I saw the
documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre. >As
some of you who
saw the program last night suspect, there was about >15-20
minutes edited
from the original film. The most
priceless portion >of the
entire film
wasn't shown on PBS. The scene involved
AG chanting >and
playing his organ
on the William F. Buckley show. AG was
totally >into
his chanting and
Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG on
the program--
absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.
>
>
>Denis Alcock
>
Is there a way we
can get ahold of the full footage. Is
the footage you
are referring to
included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
-Jon
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KEEp THE RED FlaG FLYIng
Only Charles Bukowski could do it.
Burroughs?
Kerouac?
No more!
BookList?
WE HAVE ONLY B U K O W S K I!!!
Only Charles Bukowski could do it.
Workers! Save The Workers!!!
Burroughs?
Kerouac?
No more!!!
ONLY BUKOWSKI!!!
Save The Factory!
ONLY BUKOWSKY FOR SALE!!!
(even if Bukowski
seems artaud,
or celine)
THIS IS A PROLETARIAN.
ONE
OF US! SAVE OUR LIFE!!!
Only Charles Bukowski could do it.
Rinaldo.
18th sep 1997
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I've seen the
video at Blockbuster. I assume it is
unedited.
Denis Alcock
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>
> At 09:28 AM
9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >I saw
the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
> >As some
of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was
> about
> >15-20
minutes edited from the original film.
The most priceless
> portion
> >of the
entire film wasn't shown on PBS. The
scene involved AG
> chanting
> >and
playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally
> >into his
chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had
> scheduled
> >AG on
the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
>
>interact.
> >
> >
> >Denis
Alcock
> >
> Is there a
way we can get ahold of the full footage.
Is the footage
> you
> are
referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh
> special?
>
>
>
-Jon
>
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Fellow
Beat-l'ers,
Man, it's been a
long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my
relatively quiet
lurk status. . . absorbing the wonderful
conversations
that fill this
list. Thank you All!
You might want to
check your local library for the full version of "The
Life & Times
of Allen Ginsberg." I've checked
out the copy my library has
about 15 times
since I found out they had it. I
wouldn't be surprised if
other libs have
it stocked on their shelves. . .
Has anyone
partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies? Is there one
particular one
that out shines the rest? I'd like to
see him move and
speak and be
alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.
It's funny, I
purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months
ago. One of them kicks ass, the other is
so-so. The thing is, neither of
them show him
speaking. The better of the two has a
short sound bite of
him doing a voice
over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.
If anyone knows
of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love
to barter with
you for a copy. . .
Until the spirit
moves me again,
Bruce
bwhartmanjr@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation
P.S. HELLO, Senor Tabory!
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> From: Sean
Young <syoung@DSW.COM>
> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject:
Re[2]: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
> Date:
Thursday, September 18, 1997 1:15 PM
>
> The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
>
> Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
>
> you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
> 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
> This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
> from my local art theatre/video place.
> It does have the Buckley footage.
> Note:
> When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
> Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
> basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
> It was great.
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
> SDY
> syoung@dsw.com
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> Author: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
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> Date: 9/18/97 12:50 PM
>
>
> At 09:28 AM
9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >I saw
the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>As
> some of you
who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>15-20
> minutes
edited from the original film. The most
priceless portion >of
the
> entire film
wasn't shown on PBS. The scene involved
AG chanting >and
> playing his
organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG
was totally >into
> his chanting
and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG
on
> the
program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.
> >
> >
> >Denis
Alcock
> >
> Is there a
way we can get ahold of the full footage.
Is the footage you
> are
referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
>
>
>
-Jon
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Check out "Whatever happened to
Kerouac". this is a must-see.
It shows the Steve Allen appearence in all
of it's glory.
Very good.
SDY
syoung@dsw.com
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Date: 9/18/97 1:43 PM
Fellow
Beat-l'ers,
Man, it's been a
long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my
relatively quiet
lurk status. . . absorbing the wonderful
conversations
that fill this
list. Thank you All!
You might want to
check your local library for the full version of "The
Life & Times
of Allen Ginsberg." I've checked
out the copy my library has
about 15 times
since I found out they had it. I
wouldn't be surprised if
other libs have
it stocked on their shelves. . .
Has anyone
partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies? Is there one
particular one
that out shines the rest? I'd like to
see him move and
speak and be
alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.
It's funny, I
purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months
ago. One of them kicks ass, the other is
so-so. The thing is, neither of
them show him
speaking. The better of the two has a
short sound bite of
him doing a voice
over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.
If anyone knows
of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love
to barter with
you for a copy. . .
Until the spirit
moves me again,
Bruce
bwhartmanjr@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation
P.S. HELLO, Senor Tabory!
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> From: Sean
Young <syoung@DSW.COM>
> To:
BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject:
Re[2]: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
> Date:
Thursday, September 18, 1997 1:15 PM
>
> The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
>
> Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
>
> you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
> 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
> This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
> from my local art theatre/video place.
> It does have the Buckley footage.
> Note:
> When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at Naropa
in '94
> Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
> basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
> It was great.
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
> SDY
> syoung@dsw.com
> ______________________________ Reply
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> Subject: Re: Life & Times of Allen
Ginsberg
> Author: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at
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> Date: 9/18/97 12:50 PM
>
>
> At 09:28 AM
9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >I saw
the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>As
> some of you
who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>15-20
> minutes
edited from the original film. The most
priceless portion >of
the
> entire film
wasn't shown on PBS. The scene involved
AG chanting >and
> playing his
organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG
was totally >into
> his chanting
and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG
on
> the
program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.
> >
> >
> >Denis
Alcock
> >
> Is there a
way we can get ahold of the full footage.
Is the footage you
> are referring
to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
>
>
>
-Jon
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At 11:15 AM
9/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
> The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
>
> Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
>
> you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
> 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
> This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
> from my local art theatre/video place.
> It does have the Buckley footage.
> Note:
> When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
> Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
> basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
> It was great.
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
> SDY
> syoung@dsw.com
> ______________________________ Reply
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I received a copy
of a catalog from the old 1800Kerouac bookstore in CA. I
believe it has
changed its name to Fog City Books. You
can find it on the
web to get the
phone. _Pull My Daisy_ was in the
catolog for 39.95 plus
shipping and
all. That was in May and they said they
had limited copies.
I didn't have
enough money to pay for it so I didn't.
I don't know if its
still available.
-Jon
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Today as I stood
in my hometown's major used bookstore, I faced a literary
feast. Last night the proprietor called to let me
know that he had just
purchased a
fairly large collection of Beat literature.
So today, as the
store opened, I
stood in front of a selection of first edition Kerouac's,
Burroughs, and
Ginsberg (1). Needless to say, I
couldn't afford any of
the first
ed.s. Ouch!
Anyhow, I ended
up purchasing many first or second printing paperbacks.
I know that some
of you must have experienced the dismay that I felt this
morning, while
glancing at some of the Kerouac covers.
For instance, my
edition
of Maggie Cassidy
looks like the cover of a Harlequin novel.
Granted, the
publishers wanted
to sell books, and so did Kerouac, but it seems to me
that the cover
alone could have detracted from the serious literary
contribution he
had to make. In other words, the
"hippies" were
purchasing the
books, not the professors. Perhaps that
was how Jack
wanted it.
As a disclaimer,
I would like to add that I used the term "hippie" in
reference to a
complaint that Jack once made. Sorry, I
can't remember the
source, but it
was something to the effect that all the rich college kids
were buying
(Salinger or Capote's?) hardbacks, while only "hippies" were
buying his
paperbacks.
Do any of you
have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works
by tawdry sex
covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been
hashed out in the
past.)
Jenn Thompson
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Why I choose Black Men for My
Lovers by La Loca
Acid today
is trendy entertainment
but in 1967
Eating it was eucharistic
and made us fully visionary
My girlfriend and I used to get cranked
up
and we'd land in
The Haight
and oh yeah
The Black Guys Knew Who We Were
But the white boys were stupid
I started out in San Fernando
My unmarried mother did not
abort me
because Tijuana was
unaffordable
They stuffed me in a crib of
invisibility
I was bottle-fed germicides and
aspirin
My nannies were cathode tubes
I reached adolescence, anyway
Thanks to Bandini and
sprinklers
In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane
and I got real
I saw Mother Earth and Big
Brother
and
I clipped my roots which
chocked in the
concrete
of Sunset Boulevard
to go with my girlfriend
from Berkeley to San Francisco
hitchhiking
and we discovered
that Spades were groovy
and
White boys were mass-produced
and
watered their lawns
artificially with long
green hoses in
West L.A.
There I was, in Avalon Ballroom
in vintage pink satin, buckskin
and
patchouli
pioneering the sexual
revolution
I used to be the satyr's moll,
half-woman
and in pink satin hung
loose about me
like an intention
I ate lysergic for breakfast, lunch and
dinner
I was a dead-end in the
off-limits of
The Establishment
and morality was open
to interpretation
In my neighborhood, if you fucked
around, you were a whore
But I was an emigree, now
I watched the planeloads of
white boys fly
up from Hamilton High
They were the vanguard
of the Revolution
They stepped off the plane
in threadbare work
shirts
with rolled-up sleeves
and a Shell Oil, a
Bankamericar,
a mastercharge in their back
pocket
with their father's
name on it
Planeloads of Revolutionaries
For matins, they quoted Marcuse
and Huey Newton
For vespers, they instructed
young girls from
San Fernando to
Fuck Everybody
To not comply, was fascist
I watched the planeloads of white boys
fly up from Hamilton High
All the boys from my high school were
shipped to
Vietnam
And I was in Berkeley, screwing little
white boys
who were remonstrating for
peace
In bed, the pusillanimous hands
of war protestors
taught me Marxist philosophy:
Our neighborhoods are a life
sentence
This was their balling stage
and they
were politicians
I was an apparition with
orifices
I knew they were insurance salesmen in
their
hearts
And they would all die of
attacks
I went down on them anyway,
because I had
consciousness
Verified by my intake of acid
I was no peasant!
I went down on little white
boys and
they filled my head with
Communism
They informed me that poor
people didn't have
money and were oppressed
Some people were Black and
Chicano
Some women even had
illegitimate children
Meanwhile, my thighs were
bloodthirsty
whelps
and could never get enough of anything
and those little communists were stingy
I was seventeen
and wanted to see the world
My flowering was chemical
I cut my teeth on promiscuity
and medicine
I stepped through more
windowpanes
and it really got
oracular
In 1968
One night
The shaman laid some holy shit on me
and wow
I knew
in 1985
The world would still be white,
germicidially
white
That the ethos of affluence
was an indelible
white boy trait
like blue eyes
That Volkswagons would be
traded in for
Ferraris
and would be driven
with the same
snotty pluck that
sniveled around
the doors of Fillmore,
looking cool
I knew those guys, I knew them when
they had posters of
Che Guevara over their bed
They all had poster of Che
Guevara over
their bed
And I looked into Che's black
eyes all
night while I lay in those beds,
ignored
Now these guys have names on doors on
the 18th floor of
towers in Encino
They have ex-wives and dope
connections.
Even my girlfriend married a condo
owner in Van Nuys.
In proper white Marxist theoretician
nomenclature, I was
a tramp.
The rich girls were called
"liberated."
I was a female for San Fernando
and the San Francisco Black Men
and I
had a lot in common
Eyes, for example
dilated
with the opacity of "fuck
you"
I saw them and they saw me
We didn't need an ophthalmologist
to get it on
We laid each other on a
foundation of
visibility
and our fuck
was no hypothesis
Now that I was worldly
I wanted to correct
the nervous blue eyes who flew up from
Brentwood
to see Hendrix
but
when I stared into them
They always lost focus
and got lighter and lighter
and
No wonder Malcolm called them Devils.
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>Do any of you
have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works
>by tawdry sex
covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been
>hashed out in
the past.)
>Jenn Thompson
END SNIP-OROONEY
I, for one, like them. You have to consider the times, the target,
and the companies involved. The Subterraneans cover (one of my
favorites) looks like it should, a dime
store novel--a la Junkie and
Queer (excellent "trashy" covers
as well--and befitting it's theme.
Kitsch, trash, whatever you call, it was
"sensational" then and it's
nostalgic now.
I am, and will always be a Kerouac fan, he
was a literary pioneer, one
of the best writers (IMVHO) that ever
lived, a giant. He was not;
however, ever marketed as such. Like Celine, Jack wrote for the
masses, not for the critics--I actually
believe that Jack stuck to his
vision (with notable exceptions) and wrote
for himself.
love and tawdry lilies,
matt h.
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MATT HANNAN
wrote:
>
> SNIP-OROONEY The Subterraneans cover (one
of my
> favorites) looks like it should, a dime
store novel--a la Junkie and
> Queer (excellent "trashy"
covers as well--and befitting it's theme.
> Kitsch, trash, whatever you call, it was
"sensational" then and it's
> nostalgic now.
Speaking of
Dimestores, i got a paperback copy (not 1st edition) of
Desolation Angels
at Goodwill today for a dime.
dbr
>
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At 01:43 PM
9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Fellow
Beat-l'ers,
>
>Man, it's
been a long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my
>relatively
quiet lurk status. . . absorbing the
wonderful conversations
>that fill
this list. Thank you All!
>
>You might
want to check your local library for the full version of "The
>Life &
Times of Allen Ginsberg." I've
checked out the copy my library has
>about 15
times since I found out they had it. I
wouldn't be surprised if
>other libs
have it stocked on their shelves. . .
>
>Has anyone
partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies? Is there one
>particular
one that out shines the rest? I'd like
to see him move and
>speak and be
alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.
>
>It's funny, I
purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months
>ago. One of them kicks ass, the other is
so-so. The thing is, neither of
>them show him
speaking. The better of the two has a
short sound bite of
>him doing a
voice over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.
>If anyone
knows of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love
>to barter
with you for a copy. . .
>
>Until the
spirit moves me again,
>
>Bruce
>bwhartmanjr@iname.com
>http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation
>
>P.S. HELLO, Senor Tabory!
>
Ive got a copy of
the John Antonelli video from Mystic Fire and its pretty
good, it's got
some live footage of JK and other commentary by AG and other
beats. It's about 70 minutes long and sells for
around 30.00 dollars.
Call them or
write back to the list.
-Jon
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I started out in
San Fernando
My unmarried mother did not
abort me
because Tijuana was unaffordable
They stuffed me in a crib of
invisibility
I was bottle-fed germicides and
aspirin
My nannies were cathode tubes
I reached adolescence, anyway
Thanks to Bandini and
sprinklers
In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane
and I got real
I saw Mother Earth and Big
Brother
i love these
metaphors and images. so real. i too was stuffed in a crib
of invisibility,
tvs were my nannies, and i too stepped through that
windowpane(wonderful
word play).
thanks for the
pome of the day, rinaldo
mc
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I saw The Life
& Times of Allen Ginsberg last night
on PBS. It was great.
I especially
liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
me new insights
into this poem. Does anyone know where I
could get an audio
recording of
Kaddish?
Aaron F.
Sinkovich
sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
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I love those
trashy covers. In fact, I've sent one to
Paul Maher to post on th
e Kerouac
Quarterly web site. Look forward to a
wonderful cover from a British
edition of Tristessa.
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Aaron Sinkovich
wrote:
>
> I saw The
Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg last
night on PBS. It was great.
> I especially
liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
> me new
insights into this poem. Does anyone
know where I could get an audio
> recording of
Kaddish?
>
> Aaron F.
Sinkovich
>
sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
60 minute version
in the four CD boxset
"Allen
Ginsberg, Holy Soul Jelly Roll Poems and Songs 1949-1993"
produced by Hal
Willner
Rhino/Wordbeat
dbr
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aaron
as far as i know
the only (??) complete recorded versionof "kaddish" is on
AG's _holy soul
jelly roll_ box set (available on CD and cassette) and
"kaddish"
alone runs around 60 minutes
hope that helps
derek
On Thu, 18 Sep
1997, Aaron Sinkovich wrote:
>
> I saw The
Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg last
night on PBS. It was great.
> I especially
liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
> me new
insights into this poem. Does anyone
know where I could get an audio
> recording of
Kaddish?
>
>
> Aaron F.
Sinkovich
>
sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
>
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At 03:48 PM
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>I saw The
Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg last
night on PBS. It was great.
>I especially
liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
>me new
insights into this poem. Does anyone
know where I could get an audio
>recording of
Kaddish?
>
>
>Aaron F.
Sinkovich
>sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
>
There is a 4CD
box set of Allen reciting his poetry. It
includes Kaddish
and Howl and many
others. I believe on two of he discs Bob
Dylan plays in
the back. Though I'm not sure if the Dylan albums with
Ginsberg are the
same as
these. The box set sells for around
50.00 dollars.
-Jon
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Dear Aaron, (and
beat list)
I saw special
last night, blown away, what a great poet!
My company Words
on Wheels
distributes
poetry recordings
We have Kaddish
on
Holy Soul Jelly
Roll (Rhino Records)
It's a 4 CD set
Kaddish length is
listed as 63:24
also has Howl
includes booklet
with photos and
track by track
commentary by
Ginsberg.
List price in
stores is 49.98
Special beat list
price
including
shipping, handling,
and tax is 40.00
you may pay by
credit card
or if you prefer
I will send it to
you COD
if you have any
questions
you can reach me
during the day
at 415.892.0158
or at home
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On Wed, 17 Sep
1997, Mike Rice wrote:
> of OTR and
the Beats. Having heard the story that
Kerouac typed
> the book in
one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
> the book
"not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.
Was this ms. then
re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I
couldn't see Jack
sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
paper, as those
scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
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At 04:56 PM
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>On Wed, 17
Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
>
>> of OTR
and the Beats. Having heard the story
that Kerouac typed
>> the book
in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>> the book
"not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.
>
>Was this ms.
then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I
>couldn't see
Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>paper, as
those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
>
Ive always heard
that he typed OTR as he typed many of his ms on teletype
paper from the
begining and that the toilet paper story is
misinterpretation. I could be wrong.
-Jon
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Jonathan Pickle
wrote:
>
> At 11:15 AM
9/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
> > The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
> >
> > Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
> >
> > you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
> > 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
> > This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
> > from my local art theatre/video place.
> > It does have the Buckley footage.
> > Note:
> > When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
> > Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
> > basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
> > It was great.
> > Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
> >
> > SDY
> > syoung@dsw.com
> > ______________________________ Reply
Separator
> > _________________________________
>
> I received a
copy of a catalog from the old 1800Kerouac bookstore in CA. I
> believe it
has changed its name to Fog City Books.
You can find it on the
> web to get
the phone. _Pull My Daisy_ was in the
catolog for 39.95 plus
> shipping and
all. That was in May and they said they
had limited copies.
> I didn't
have enough money to pay for it so I didn't.
I don't know if its
> still
available.
>
>
-Jon
I just got back
from Borders Bookstore here in Indianapolis and I
ordered a copy of
"What Happened to Kerouac?" for $69.95 directly from
the video
company. I hear it's a very good flick
and it came highly
recommended as
opposed to the all-actors "Kerouac."
Eric Macy
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From: Arthur Nusbaum <SSASN@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: something to SPIN...
Diane & Co.:
Before I could
vent my utter disgust at the (both mercifully and insultingly)
brief
article by Dennis Cooper in SPIN, I was
Beaten to it, the List was
already inflamed
with righteously indignant responses.
Howard Park put it
succinctly in its
place as the pitiful product of "....just one guy musing
about his poorly
formed impressions rather than anything resembling
journalism". I won't preach to the choir, many List
members have already
detailed the
infinite distance between this throwaway blurb and the true
extent and
significance of WSB's achievements. Real
constructive criticism
based on a
thorough knowledge of what is being criticized is one thing, WSB's
life and work are
not above that, he spent his life in the arena and lived
long enough to
see the deepest extremes of revulsion and admiration in
reaction to his
actions and words. But this kind of
clueless criticism is
inexcusable, it
would have been better to print nothing, to paraphrase
Timothy Hoffman.
Through it all, he remained "100% himself", as Sean Young
pointed out. The
phrase "come or go....the dead and the junky don't care",
from NAKED LUNCH,
comes to mind. That is his answer to
"I suspect even he
didn't know why
he was famous anymore", he NEVER CARED IN THE FIRST PLACE and
quietly
progressed on his path, for the benefit of those willing to take the
time and effort
to understand his ingenious use (and usurpation) of language
and appreciate
his profound humor, imagination and wisdom.
He was
indifferent to
the cult hoopla that surrounded him, especially in his later
years. I could see this myself when I visited
him. All of that will largely
fall away,
leaving his works to speak for him and stand the test of time.
The shame of such
an article is that, in our media-sodden, history-less and
disposable
society, it will be the first, and unfortunately in some cases
last, impression
that some young readers will have of WSB.
Hopefully,
readers who are
introduced to him through this dismissive little piece of
junkfood
journalism will not be discouraged, and go further to see for
themselves what
he was really all about.
"SMASH THE
CONTROL IMAGES"
Regards,
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Thought someone
might find this interesting. This review
comes from a
British mag
called The Face. Don't know the year it
was reviewed or if
The Face is still
around.
Pg. 24 CINEMA
"As literary
biographies go, the movie-collage WHAT HAPPENED TO KEROUAC?
(at the ICA
cinema, London SW1 form Oct 9) is a very High School
reunion. But the makers do not shirk their interrogatory
responsibilities
or pamper the Beat babe, and what emerges is not just a
paunch-and-all
portrait but a cautionary American fable.
Interviewer
(and co-producer,
co-director) Lewis MacAdams has squeezed a spectrum of
blab from just
about every Head sill extant. (You can
play an I Spy
game of spotting
Who's a Casualty of What) Gregory Corso comes across as
an unashamed
souse; Allen Ginsberg still looping the
latest loop;
Kerouac's first
wife Edie insufferable. Of all the faces
William
Burroughs' is the
best preserved; his wits ditto. Fran
Landesman
pre-empts the
film autopsy with her analysis - the good depressive
Catholic boy
couldn't top himself straight off so instigated a long
"slow
suicide" downing the booze, drowning in booze. MacAdams (and
co-director
Richard Lerner) show us the disintegrated, horribly bloated
death's-door
Kerouac upfront. "I got arrested
recently; this policeman
said, 'I'm
arresting you for decay'." The
inescapable conclusion is
that this most
celebrated of modern speed nomads never left home. Mom,
the Church and
Decency flapped around his swollen head like bats. He
fell into his own
auto-obituary definition of the Generation he
launched; "You end up Beat, Beaten." Yep, the Elvis Presley of Poetry.
But in the young face you can see the mythic
lure, and in the readings
of his own work
even noon-fans might catch a beat of the over reaching
rhythm that fired
him for a while."
-mark
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>>> Eric
Macy <rodmacy@IQUEST.NET> 09/18/97 04:27pm >>>
I just got back
from Borders Bookstore here in Indianapolis and I
ordered a copy of
"What Happened to Kerouac?" for $69.95 directly from
the video
company. I hear it's a very good flick
and it came highly
recommended as
opposed to the all-actors "Kerouac."
Eric Macy
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At 12:50 PM
9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:28 AM
9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>I saw the
documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>>As some
of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>>15-20
minutes edited from the original film.
The most priceless portion
>>of the
entire film wasn't shown on PBS. The
scene involved AG chanting
>>and
playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally
>>into his
chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled
>>AG on the
program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
>>interact.
>>
>>
>>Denis
Alcock
>>
>Is there a
way we can get ahold of the full footage.
Is the footage you
>are referring
to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
>
>
>
-Jon
>
>
The documentary
this was made from must have had some circulation
as a
videocassette. Perhaps someone like Home
Film Festival is
renting it for a
price. Their phone number to rent any
film for
about $10 a pop
is 800-258-3456. Also, really large
multi-faceted
video stores in
major cities could have it. I just
called HFF. The
original name of
the film is The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg. Its
82 minutes long,
includes the 20 minutes missing from the PBS show, and
can be rented by
establishing credit with Home Film Festival. The film
was released in
1993. I also saw an advertisement for
something called
Kaddish in their
brochure which could be about Allen's poem.
And I
suspect you can
get the Kerouac documentary from these folks too, if
you can remember
the name of it.
Mike Rice
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At 04:56 PM
9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 17
Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
>
>> of OTR
and the Beats. Having heard the story
that Kerouac typed
>> the book
in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>> the book
"not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.
>
>Was this ms.
then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I
>couldn't see
Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>paper, as
those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
>
>
Someone has
corrected me on this. It was actually
telegraph paper or an
Associated
Press roll of
connected sheets. I think it still
exists somewhere. Of course,
it must have been
transcribed to some other medium at some point.
I think
there is a touch
of legend in the whole story anyway, though I have no doubt
Kerouac wrote the
story out on connected sheets at some point.
I am sure other
people in this
group know aspects of this story that I missed.
Mike Rice
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>Was this ms.
then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I
>couldn't see
Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>paper, as
those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
Capote made this statement, as I have
heard, after hearing of Jack's
method of typing on the teletype roll in a
nonstop benny rush. Most
of the biographers I have read made a
point of saying that Jack did
take the teletype roll to Bob Giroux and
display it in a grand
flourish....Giroux reportedly replied
"I can't work with this" which,
some have supposed, meant the teletype
roll but Jack is said to have
taken it as a rejection of the work.
As best I can reckon,
love and lilies,
matt h.
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Subject: Re: Death Stalking.... (my 3rd attempt!)
Listers... pardon
me if this has already gone through, but I'm not getting any
acknowledgements.... ---Wes
-----------------------------------------------
Hey, Bentz...
Just wanted to
express my sympathy. Seems I go through
something like what
you're going
through every ten years or so. First was
when my grandfather died-
-he'd been the
best friend a troubled surfer kid in San Diego could have through
childhood. His sudden death from pancreatic cancer
devastated me in my third
year of college
and had more to do with my dropping out than I seem willing to
admit. Two weeks later, a close friend I'd known
since 9th grade committed
suicide.
About 10 or 11
years later, a musical artist I'd felt an affinity with died at
age 42,
unexpectedly, leaving a young wife and kids without insurance or
protection. A month later, I learned that my mentor
through grad school, a
wonderful teacher
and scholar who took me to dinner to celebrate my successful
defense of my
master's thesis, died in her sleep of a brain hemmorage. The very
next day, I got a
call telling me that two close friends from high school had
both died. One was a guy who had always claimed he'd be
dead before he was 35.
He is. The other was a girl I'd dated and was for
many reasons very special to
me, although I
haven't spoken with her in years. A week
later, a guy I worked
with died in a
plane crash-- slammed into the side of a mountain while
sightseeing in
the mountains of Alaska. The weight of
it all seemed unbearable.
The weight of it
all... it's such an apt image. The
inertia of death is a
greater force
than gravity.
Such times are
sobering. I know what you feel, and your
expression of your
feelings touches
me. We're kindred spirits.
Peace, my
friend. Let peace reign supreme in your
heart today.
---Wes
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At 01:00 PM
9/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Today as I
stood in my hometown's major used bookstore, I faced a literary
>feast. Last night the proprietor called to let me
know that he had just
>purchased a
fairly large collection of Beat literature.
So today, as the
>store opened,
I stood in front of a selection of first edition Kerouac's,
>Burroughs,
and Ginsberg (1). Needless to say, I
couldn't afford any of
>the first
ed.s. Ouch!
>
>Anyhow, I
ended up purchasing many first or second printing paperbacks.
>I know that
some of you must have experienced the dismay that I felt this
>morning,
while glancing at some of the Kerouac covers.
For instance, my
>edition
>of Maggie
Cassidy looks like the cover of a Harlequin novel. Granted, the
>publishers
wanted to sell books, and so did Kerouac, but it seems to me
>that the
cover alone could have detracted from the serious literary
>contribution
he had to make. In other words, the
"hippies" were
>purchasing
the books, not the professors. Perhaps
that was how Jack
>wanted it.
>
>As a
disclaimer, I would like to add that I used the term "hippie" in
>reference to
a complaint that Jack once made. Sorry,
I can't remember the
>source, but
it was something to the effect that all the rich college kids
>were buying
(Salinger or Capote's?) hardbacks, while only "hippies" were
>buying his
paperbacks.
>
>Do any of you
have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works
>by tawdry sex
covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been
>hashed out in
the past.)
>
>Jenn Thompson
>
>
This is a subject
that interests me. In the early fifties,
the emerging
paperback houses
were putting tawdry covers on classic books.
If this
eventually
happened to some of the beat titles, it would be interesting
to see what
prostituted form they took. Someone
ought to publish a book
of tawdry
paperback cover art, by itself. I have a
1949 copy of Orwell's
1984, with some
Sci-Fi futuristic art on the cover that I think is quite
good and quite
interesting.
Mike Rice
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This is quite a
wonderful little narrative. Tell me who
this La Loca is
and what she is doing these days?
Mike Rice
At 07:54 PM
9/18/97 +0200, you wrote:
> Why I choose Black Men for My
Lovers by La Loca
>
> Acid today
> is trendy entertainment
> but in 1967
> Eating it was eucharistic
> and made us fully visionary
>
> My girlfriend and I used to get cranked
up
> and we'd land in
> The Haight
> and oh yeah
> The Black Guys Knew Who We Were
> But the white boys were stupid
>
> I started out in San Fernando
> My unmarried mother did not
abort me
> because Tijuana was
unaffordable
> They stuffed me in a crib of invisibility
> I was bottle-fed germicides and
aspirin
> My nannies were cathode tubes
> I reached adolescence, anyway
> Thanks to Bandini and
sprinklers
>
> In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane
> and I got real
> I saw Mother Earth and Big
Brother
> and
> I clipped my roots which
chocked in the
> concrete
> of Sunset Boulevard
> to go with my girlfriend
> from Berkeley to San Francisco
> hitchhiking
> and we discovered
> that Spades were groovy
> and
> White boys were mass-produced
and
> watered their lawns
> artificially with long
green hoses in
> West L.A.
>
> There I was, in Avalon Ballroom
> in vintage pink satin, buckskin and
> patchouli
> pioneering the sexual
> revolution
> I used to be the satyr's moll,
half-woman
> and in pink satin hung
> loose about me
> like an intention
> I ate lysergic for breakfast, lunch and
> dinner
> I was a dead-end in the
off-limits of
> The Establishment
> and morality was open to
interpretation
>
> In my neighborhood, if you fucked
around, you were a whore
>
> But I was an emigree, now
> I watched the planeloads of
white boys fly
> up from Hamilton High
> They were the vanguard
> of the Revolution
> They stepped off the plane
> in threadbare work
shirts
> with rolled-up sleeves
> and a Shell Oil, a
Bankamericar,
> a mastercharge in their
back pocket
> with their father's
name on it
> Planeloads of Revolutionaries
> For matins, they quoted Marcuse
and Huey Newton
> For vespers, they instructed
young girls from
> San Fernando to
> Fuck Everybody
> To not comply, was fascist
> I watched the planeloads of white boys
> fly up from Hamilton High
> All the boys from my high school were
shipped to
> Vietnam
> And I was in Berkeley, screwing little
white boys
> who were remonstrating for
peace
> In bed, the pusillanimous hands of
war protestors
> taught me Marxist
philosophy:
> Our neighborhoods are a life
sentence
> This was their balling stage
and they
> were politicians
> I was an apparition with
orifices
> I knew they were insurance
salesmen in their
> hearts
> And they would all die of
attacks
> I went down on them anyway,
because I had
> consciousness
> Verified by my intake of acid
> I was no peasant!
> I went down on little white
boys and
> they filled my head with
> Communism
> They informed me that poor
people didn't have
> money and were
oppressed
> Some people were Black and
Chicano
> Some women even had
illegitimate children
> Meanwhile, my thighs were
bloodthirsty
> whelps
> and could never get enough of
anything
> and those little communists were stingy
> I was seventeen
> and wanted to see the world
> My flowering was chemical
> I cut my teeth on promiscuity
and medicine
> I stepped through more
windowpanes
> and it really got
oracular
> In 1968
> One night
> The shaman laid some holy shit on me
and wow
> I knew
> in 1985
> The world would still be white,
germicidially
> white
> That the ethos of affluence
> was an indelible
> white boy trait
> like blue eyes
> That Volkswagons would be
traded in for
> Ferraris
> and would be driven
with the same
> snotty pluck that sniveled around
> the doors of Fillmore,
looking cool
> I knew those guys, I knew them when
they had posters of
> Che Guevara over their bed
> They all had poster of Che Guevara
over
> their bed
> And I looked into Che's black
eyes all
> night while I lay in
those beds,
> ignored
> Now these guys have names on doors on
the 18th floor of
> towers in Encino
> They have ex-wives and dope
connections.
> Even my girlfriend married a condo
owner in Van Nuys.
>
> In proper white Marxist theoretician
nomenclature, I was
> a tramp.
> The rich girls were called
"liberated."
>
> I was a female for San Fernando
> and the San Francisco Black Men
and I
> had a lot in common
> Eyes, for example
> dilated
> with the opacity of "fuck
you"
> I saw them and they saw me
> We didn't need an
ophthalmologist to get it on
> We laid each other on a
foundation of
> visibility
> and our fuck
> was no hypothesis
>
> Now that I was worldly
> I wanted to correct
> the nervous blue eyes who flew
up from
> Brentwood
> to see Hendrix
> but
> when I stared into them
> They always lost focus
> and got lighter and lighter
> and
> No wonder Malcolm called them Devils.
>
>
>
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> From: Sean
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>
> Date:
Thursday, September 18, 1997 12:15 PM
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
Write to Beat
Books, PO Box 5813, Berkeley, CA 94705.
I got a copy from
him a year or so
ago.
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From: jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>
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I can picture the
columbia scene you find yourself in Bentz. I lived there
for a while.
Loved and married an incredibly talented lyric
soprano/pianist.
We met at Boston University. Me fresh from the Korean War,
she protected,
every need met, lovely, but part of an elite white
population,
maids, all of that. allof that but good, decent people. Future
mother in law, a
gentle dear person, thought I needed a suit. I wouldn't
spend money on
it. Future wife prevailed, "Let mom buy you a simple suit."
I relented. The
next morning the racks to choose from were in the living
room. Hard to
believe how some live.
It was too much.
But, we married. It didn't last. the differences were too
great.
But during that
period, the person that seemed to spend time in my mind,
was that tiny
little women who came out of the Black
back-street Columbia
and told them all
there wasn't anything she couldn't deal with and survive.
She was tough,
talented, a joy to read and to listen too. Eartha Kitt.
Neither
Presidents or whitey could beat her. She was out front, determined
to survive.
Every time I read
a post from you, from Columbia, wonderful memories rise
up to warm my
soul--sometimes even scortch it. A sumertime Columbia sun had
a way of doing
that. Particularly when wandered that scrub pine sand hill
country side
painting and sketching. The GI Bill didn't pay a Korean vet
much, but in
hindsight I should have followed a couple of comrades to
Mexico where the
living was cheap and the art scene stimulating.
A few months ago
my youngest daughter, a cellist, went to an Eartha Kitt
concert in
Seattle and sought her out backstage--a skill some musicians
have. Charity
told her that she had grown up listening to stories about
Eartha Kitt, and
thanked her for her politics, her music, her soul and her
gonads. They
talked. EK was touched and gracious. My daughter awed--just as
I always am by
sentiment and courage.
I wonder about
you Bentz. Your poetry says so much for you. Some of it
makes me think:
This guy is a lawyer? In Columbia, S.C.?
It can't be easy
pal. For whatever
it means to you, I'm impressed. I only know three lawyers
with the cods to
send that post. One of them, a tough sentimental, super
sensitve tiger,
Bill Kunstler, is gone. I sent your post to one of the
others and he
said, "Don't worry. It's those who can't spell it out that
end up fucked up.
He's OK."
I hope you are.
Peace and love,
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> MATT HANNAN
wrote:
>
> Capote made this statement, as I have
heard, after hearing of
> Jack's
> method of typing on the teletype roll in
a nonstop benny rush.
> Most
> of the biographers I have read made a
point of saying that Jack
> did
> take the teletype roll to Bob Giroux and
display it in a grand
> flourish....Giroux reportedly replied
"I can't work with this"
> which,
> some have supposed, meant the teletype
roll but Jack is said to
> have
> taken it as a rejection of the work.
This version of
the story is from Joyce Johnson in Minor Characters:
"I'd heard a
lot about Mr. Giroux even before I came to Farrar, Straus.
He was the editor
who had discovered Jack, published The Town and the
City at Harcourt
Brace, and even convinced him to revise and cut it. He
was someone Jack
always spoke about with admiration. 'A
great French
gentleman,' Jack
said, who ate only in the best restaurants.
Once when
Jack was a little
drunk, he described Giroux cryptically as 'a great
white
panda.' The two of them had a terrible
misunderstanding that went
back six years,
to the day Jack finished On the Road.
After typing
nonstop for two
weeks in a great burst of spontaneous energy onto the the
huge scroll of
teletype paper Lucien had given him, Jack had rolled it
all up, stuck it
under his arm, and had taken it immediately to Giroux's
office. There, he'd triumphantly unfurled the whole
thing. 'Here's your
novel!' But
Giroux had evidently not responded in the proper joyous
spirit. Staring in astonishment and dismay at the
river of words
flooding his
office, he'd wondered aloud how it would ever be possible to
rework it. Affronted, Jack had shouted that not one word
would ever be
changed. He rolled his manscript up, took it away and
never returned.
Although I did reluctantly see Giroux's
side, my
twenty-one-year-old
sympathies were with Jack. The
exuberant, outragous
Jack whom I'd
only seen traces of now and then. Mad
Jack, impossible
Jack. The dark young man rushing out with his
manuscript, rage in his
blue eyes,
walking dazed on the midtown sidewalks where ordinary people
were going about
their business. Jack Kerouac was his own
worst enemy,
anyone reasonable
would have said. He should have retyped
the thing
properly,
double-spaced on fine white bond, then taken it to his editor,
having made an
appointment in advance, having taken into account
editorial
weariness and bleariness of eye, the tupor that comes after
lunch in the
offices of publishers...
He paid for the mistaken afternoon with
six years of rejection
from editors much
less imaginative than Giroux, and in his hurt pride
counted Giroux
among those others who had rejected On the Road. But by
1957, the quarrel
had become enfolded in the benevolence of the past--a
mock-heroic
encounter between the artist/savage and the gentleman. When
I wrote Jack
about my new job, and mentioned meeting his former editor,
he sent friendly
messages to Giroux in the letter he wrote back to me,
just as if the
two of them had never been out of touch."
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