intellectual
stiffness is not something I appreciate. (Neither would the
authors
you study, I'm afraid.) For what it's worth, political humor,
combined
with the study of the Beat Generation/authors, is a perfect
combination.
When we talk of rebellion and angst, we're not just talking
about
adolescent males screaming at America and railing against Time
magazine.
We're talking about humor, and the freedom to mock our leaders.
What
makes the Beat authors so great is the fact that they can combine this
angst I
speak of with a their keen senses of humor. I'm sorry you don't
agree."
>This
is a list devoted to discussion of Beat authors. Please refrain from post
>ing
messages outside this topic.
Laurie
*****Email
me if you need my address in London. I'm leaving on the 20th of
January.******
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:51:57 GMT
Reply-To: Dan_Barth@RedwoodFN.org
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>
From: Dan Barth
<Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>
Organization:
Redwood Free-Net
Subject: muddled thinking
In the
thread "Lineage, Gen X" someone posted the following:
"I
really think that a discussion of GenX is germane to any discussion
of the
Beats. The intellectual history of the
Postmodern is
inextricably
tied up in the value system of the revolution of the
sixties. The MTV mentality is the absurd reduction of
the anti-intellectual,
anti-university
impetus of beats like Snyder, who while he remains
one of
my heroes, was hard on formal education even though he is
extremely
learned. Some hypocrisy here, I think.
Autodidacticism
easily gives way to adidacticism. And I
am reminded of the
Beatle's
anti-capitalist songs written while their CEO hauled their
money
to bank in trucks. I am a
hippie-turned-professor. My
Snyder-reading,
reefer-smoking days, delayed my education by ten
years. I teach thedrug-torpid, addled
know-nothings which the children of
my
generation
have become. I'm sure this is not what
Gary and Jack and
Allen
had in mind, but they helped make it his way.
Jack said as
much
before he died."
I agree
with the first two sentences. After that I take issue. Can you be
specific
on Snyder's "anti-intellectual, anti-university impetus?" He has
always
seemed pretty scholarly to me. He studied at Reed Colege, Indiana
University
and U.C. Berkeley, and now teaches at U.C Davis. But I think what
the
Beats were and are against is academic speak such as "autodidacticism
easily
gives way to adidacticism." Whom
are you speaking to and for when you
say
things like that?
You say
Snyder remains one of your heroes but your "Snyder-reading,
reefer-smoking
days" delayed your education. Isn't it all a continuum? Don't
you
think insights gained from Snyder, and reefer, could have led to your
later
studies? And then who are these "drug-torpid, addled know-nothings?"
Do
you
really see your students that way? I
think you have more to say by way
of
explanation. What you have said so far seems muddled to me.
Best,
Dan B.
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From: Katerie Prior
<kadaca@UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lost Generation
In-Reply-To: Your message
<951215.143752.EST.PRM95003@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> of
Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:24:24 EST
On Fri,
15 Dec 1995 14:24:24 EST, Peter McGahey
<PRM95003@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
wrote;
Please
excuse my late response as I am in the end of semester upheaval.
A few
days (weeks?) back someone mentioned the Beats and any connection
to
the
Lost Generation. I just so happened to
be reading the book reviews
Dorothy
Parker (Lost generation wit and poet) wrote for _Esquire_
in the
late 1950's. In her review of JK's
_Subterraneans_ she says:
"the
'how' of the Beat Boys and Girls is of an appalling monotony.
Nights
and
days flow into one. They go swoon to
that music, they get
themselves
stoned
on beer (which I believe is a possibility in one's tender
yeras),
they
fight and forget it, they are forever piling into rickety cars and
driving
furiously
to the far-away house of some unexpecting friend, where they
establish
themselves for days. These practices, I
admit, were not
unknown
on
occasion to membersof that Lost Generation you may have heard about,
but
such
was not their entire way of life; there are among the Lost
Generation
those
who made fairly important contributions to their times. The Beat
Ones
never have to be anywhere , never want to go anywhere except just
to
some
other place"
Now,
some can claim that Scott Fitzgerald has a better claim to be the
voice
of the Lost Generation, but Dorothy was as alcoholic and srewed
up as
the best of them (except she lived a lot longer). So I guess her
claim
here is
that since the Beats made this a way of life and the Lost
Generation
didn't
, they aren't the same.
What do
you think?
In the
film "Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle," the last monologue in
the
film is DP talking about Jack and the Beats.
She tells a couple of
reporters
pretty much the same thing. Granted
I've never read anything
by Mrs.
Parker except for her poetry, but I think she distincted the
Lost
Generation from the Beat Generation as level of values. The Beats
were
predominately working class people whereas, DP and gang hung out in
New
York hotels, tossing back martinis at
speakeasys, and having dinner
at the
Round Table in the Algonquin room with tuxedoed waiters. The
closest
Beat I think that could muster this much ambiance is Burroughs.
The rest
seem to be rebelling againist this system of just sitting and
talking. Her final criticism, that "The Beat Ones never have to be
anywhere
, never want to go anywhere except just to some other place,"
is one
againist life. As everyone's discussed before, the Beats were
merely
out to LIVE. Parker just grew into an
old and bitter lady.
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From: "W. Luther Jett"
<MagenDror@AOL.COM>
Subject: Speaking of viruses . . .
Slightly
off-topic, but compelling, nonetheless.
--------------------forwarded
message-------------------
Subj: experiment (fwd)
Date: Fri, Dec 15, 1995 7:19 PM EST
From: atkinson@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu
X-From:
atkinson@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu (Chuck Atkinson)
To:
spedtalk@virginia.edu
As
spedtalkers I thought you would be enthusiastic about helping this budding
scientist
with his experiment.
>X-POP3-Rcpt:
atkinson@woodnet
>Date:
Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:32:56 -0800
>X-Sender:
pogreba@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu
>Mime-Version:
1.0
>To:
lblack@cc.wwu.edu, atkinson@cc.wwu.edu, bkeiper@cc.wwu.edu,
> henniger@cc.wwu.edu
>From:
Susan Pogreba-Lee <pogreba@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu>
>Subject:
experiment (fwd)
>
>I
don't know but as educators you may find this experiment interesting.
>Ignore
most of the stuff and scroll down to the last part of the e-mail.
>This
is really quite amazing!!!
>
>spl
>
>>X-POP3-Rcpt:
pogreba@woodnet
>>Return-Path:
kenn@wce.wwu.edu
>>Date:
Fri, 15 Dec 1995 15:43:52 -0800 (PST)
>>From:
Kenn Herman <kenn@wce.wwu.edu>
>>To:
Bill Clinton <president@whitehouse.gov>,
>> Al Gore
<vice-president@whitehouse.gov>,
>> Newt Gingrich
<georgia6@hr.house.gov>
>>Subject:
experiment (fwd)
>>
>>
>>i
thought that the three most 'powerful' men in america should have
>>'contact'
with this high school student's experiment.
it brings tangible
>>concepts
a little closer to home.
>>
>>read
on to find out...
>>
>>kenn
>>
>>----------
Forwarded message ----------
>>Date:
15 Dec 1995 10:15:26 -0800
>>From:
Herman, Heidi <hermhx1@macgwx.ghc.org>
>>To:
ATSUI@vax.clarku.edu, Barbara Eickhoff <eickhoff@u.washington.edu>,
>> "Blackwell, Justin"
<blackwell.j@ghc.org>, boombooom@aol.com,
>> Brenda Bourns
<bbourns@fred.fhcrc.org>,
>> Brian Black
<a-brianb@microsoft.com>, cait <kmacinne@is.dal.ca>,
>> ceejay <ceejay@netcom.com>, cera
<cera@helen.bush.edu>,
>> "Chapman, Janice"
<chapman@mpe11.ghc.org>, CHECKERS@u.washington.edu,
>> Chris Park <box@cnw.com>, dao-liang
chou <v-acdch@microsoft.com>,
>> eloise <DARTNSHC.NSHP.EIGRAVES@GOV.NS.CA>,
>> "heidi b."
<hbroders@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
>> "Heileson, Thomas"
<heilts1@mpe11.ghc.org>,
>> jesaka <kisses@u.washington.edu>,
>> "Jordan, Erlande"
<jordan@mpe11.ghc.org>,
>> ken of the ONE 'n' <kwombacher@banyan.inacom.com>,
>> "kenn (personal)"
<kenn@wce.wwu.edu>, "linda w." <howked@iea.com>,
>> loredana <madamex@teleport.com>,
>> "Moontree, Elizabeth"
<moontree@mpe11.ghc.org>, MuddlyMud@aol.com,
>> paul <ptindale@essa.com>, Rae &
Teri <kaupe@netcom.com>,
>> "Salazar, Anthony"
<salazar@mpe11.ghc.org>, stacey
<SShul90936@aol.com>,
>> terri <tereska@aol.com>,
cloyfx1@macgwx.ghc.org,
greerl2@macgwx.ghc.org,
>> knutkx2@macgwx.ghc.org,
needhx1@macgwx.ghc.org,
>> orozco#m#_dan@macgwx.ghc.org,
purdmr1@macgwx.ghc.org,
>> ruffgs1@macgwx.ghc.org,
sullsx2@macgwx.ghc.org
>>Subject:
experiment (fwd)
>>
>>bear
with all the b.s. at the beginning....just scroll through and read
ppl's
>>comments
if you wish, but get to the msg. that's at the bottom to
understand
>>what
'all this' is about...
>>__________________________________________________________________________
>>_____
>>From:
tinsky on Fri, Dec 15, 1995 09:56
>>Subject:
(Fwd) FW: Forward (fwd)...experiment (fwd)
>>To:
Herman, Heidi; JaniceH570@aol.com; Mark Ezovski (ART); Nevin Mercede
>>(ART);
James Tinsky; Andrew Maz; singingd@ix.netcom.com; ChileJack@aol.com;
>>Greg
Madison (ART)
>>
>>a
brilliant experiment...get to the end to read the experiment
>>
>>----------
Forwarded message ----------
>>Date:
Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:32:14 -0500 (EST)
>>From:
HHIERONYMUS@WELLESLEY.EDU
>>To:
DYKENET-L
>>Subject:
(Fwd) FW: Forward (fwd)...experiment
>>
>>
>>From:
Catherine Wende <cwende@post.cis.smu.edu>
>>Subject:
(Fwd) (Fwd) FW: Forward (fwd)
>>To:
POLITIDYKES
>>Precedence:
bulk
>>
>>
>>Read
through this...it took me a while to hit the impact...be sure to
>>read
to the end even though it gets long there is a point!
>>
>>Catherine
>>
>>----------
Forwarded message ----------
>>Date:
Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:52:27 CST
>>From:
Carol Luedders <CLUEDDERS@SCS.ADMIN.IASTATE.EDU>
>>To:
Multiple recipients of list LGBPSYCH <LGBPSYCH@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
>>Subject:
(Fwd) (Fwd) FW: Forward
>>
>>Please
go through to the end. This is a High
School student's very
>>interesting
and sobering way of proving a point.
>>(Now
if only those "you too could make $100,000 in three months
>>
if you sent two dollars to each person on this mailing list" things worked
>>this
>>
well).
>>Carol
>>
>>-------
Forwarded Message Follows -------
>>From: "Jeanne Burkhart"
>>Organization: ISU Student Counseling Service
>>To: #SCS/COUNSELORS
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:30:31 CST
>>Subject: (Fwd) FW: Forward
>>
>>Please
go through to the end.
>>
>>-------
Forwarded Message Follows -------
>>From: "Cychosz, Chuck"
<ccychos@iastate.edu>
>>To: "Safaeinili, Lisa"
<lisasaf@dops.adp.iastate.edu>,
>> "Dr. Dalen Duitsman"
<dalen@iastate.edu>,
>> "'Frank Schabel'"
<fschabel@iastate.edu>,
>> "'Jeanne Burkhart'"
<jburkhart@scs.admin.iastate.edu>,
>> Martha Norton
<MNORTON@scs.admin.iastate.edu>,
>> Susan Young <syoung@iastate.edu>
>>Subject: FW: Forward
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:25:00 CST
>>
----------
>>From:
Robinson, Patricia
>>To:
Cychosz, Chuck
>>Subject:
FW: Forward
>>Date:
Tuesday, December 12, 1995 10:00AM
>>
>>Read
all the way to the bottom--an interesting way of proving a point!
>>
----------
>>From:
Uhlenhake, Bev
>>To:
Bessette, Jeanine; Rice, Dan; Whalen, Don; Kasi, Balsy; Andrew, Joelle;
>>Simpson,
Jackie; Spahn, Joan; Bolluyt, Kat; JohnsonWilloughby, Kay-lynne;
>>Korte,
Mary; Ellis-Besancon, Kerry; Tandia, Mary; Englin, Pete; Robinson,
>>Patricia;
Johnson, Ruth; Deters, Sally; Akey, Torin; Smith, Victor; Arthur,
>>Virginia;
Gruenewald, Doug; 'phil maggard'; udasenate
>>Subject:
FW: Forward
>>Date:
Tuesday, December 12, 1995 9:33AM
>>
>>sorry
the computer gibberish is so long...
please read.
>>
----------
>>From:
Marva K Ruther
>>To:
afenton; mtgallet; x1rankin; dlburri; lsusie; joce; carwes; bevu;
>>aryder;
tcolen; kearnest; georjean; mapurdy; sschweit; msutton; tamscheu
>>Subject:
Forward
>>Date:
Tuesday, December 12, 1995 9:10AM
>>
>>The
following was forwarded to me with a request to forward it on. Please
>>read
through the computer stuff and read the end message.
>>
>>
------- Forwarded Message
>>
>>To:
joppedal@iastate.edu, aschultz@iastate.edu, sweety@iastate.edu,
>> coolman@iastate.edu,
mruther@iastate.edu,
>>SCHULTES@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU,
SKAARJ@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU, ljass@iastate.edu
>>Subject:
aids
>>Date:
Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:05:15 CST
>>From:
Heidi L Weiland <hweiland@iastate.edu>
>>
>>
------- Forwarded Message
>>
>>To:
BARNETT@AC.GRIN.EDU, hweiland@iastate.edu, OLIVES2924@uni.edu,
>> jacobson@mmc.mtmercy.edu,
bsuck@iastate.edu, tmace@iastate.edu,
>> drumisu@iastate.edu,
cgates@iastate.edu, dlynne@iastate.edu,
>> cadypack@IMAP2.ASU.EDU,
VANPATTEB@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU,
>> jjl11@cornell.edu,
kermitj@iastate.edu, sbodeen@iastate.edu
>>Subject:
n
>>Date:
Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:19:09 CST
>>From:
Jamie D Redman <jredman@iastate.edu>
>>
>>
------- Forwarded Message
>>Resent-from:
"Holtan, Jason O" <HOLTANJ@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU>
>>Resent-to:
PFanous@iastate.edu, HoltanA@MSOE.EDU,
>> Holtan@sendit.sendit.NODAK.edu,
Kirkpatr@email.cc.purdue.edu,
>> TMenzel@iastate.edu, KMiller@iastate.edu,
>>Barrett_Randall@Baylor.edu,
>> JRedman@iastate.edu,
ahreis@students.wisc.edu (Anne Reis),
>> DSqui279@aol.com,
BaileyJ@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU,
>>
"SAL311/DURRS"@insosf1.netins.net,
>>"THOR/EICKHOFFA"@insosf1.netins.net,
>> ellisj@thor.waldorf.edu
>>Resent-date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:33:54 -0600
>>Sender:
rleighb@pop
>>Date:
Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:18:48 -0500
>>To:
harri_ma@students.uwlax.edu, bad@maclaw.law.cuny.edu, jolly@stolaf.edu,
>> rebecca-chacko@uiowa.edu,
CDark@comp.UArk.edu,
>>df0012@acad.drake.edu,
>> schafer@stolaf.edu,
bennettj@central.edu,
>>holtanj@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU,
>> scraig@iastate.edu,
cgelina@iastate.edu, skaurs@iastate.edu,
>> jlathrop@iastate.edu,
harri_ma@students.uwlax.edu,
jolly@stolaf.edu,
>> kplace@iastate.edu,
rebecca-chacko@uiowa.edu
>>From:
rleighb@iastate.edu
>>Subject:
not that i want all of you to have this, but have fun infecting
>>people
;)
>>
>>hey,
hope all who have finals are studying like the wind, and all those yet
>>to
suffer start building pain resistance now.
please follow this forward,
>>it
proves a very scary, but true point in a nonfatal way. maybe we can all
>>learn
from it. so please pass it on and don't
delete!
>>love
ya lots, robyn
>>
>>>Sender:
tkoopman@pop-3.iastate.edu
>>>Date:
Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:51:19 -0600
>>>To:
jdt@iastate.edu, mfalk@iastate.edu, rgonsior@iastate.edu,
>>bhogendo@iastate.edu,
dkiefer@iastate.edu, mmoss@iastate.edu,
>>htakade@iastate.edu,
debbie@iastate.edu, ebilotta@iastate.edu,
>>cbatey@iastate.edu,
miranda@iastate.edu, jacobmcc@iastate.edu, k
>>>From:
tkoopman@iastate.edu
>>>Subject:
not that i want all of you to have this, but have fun infecting
>>people
;)
>>>
>>>>From:
JS0103@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
>>>>Date:
Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:55:06 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>Subject:
not that i want all of you to have this, but have fun infecting
>>people
;)
>>>>To:
pb0027@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, tkoopman@iastate.edu, dvampire@iastate.edu,
>>richlieu@iastate.edu,
javelin@iastate.edu
>>>>Date:
Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:03:53 CDT
>>>>From:
"N.I. Johnson" <NIJ001%ACAD@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
>>>>Subject:
this was sent to me...
>>>>
>>>>From:
IN%"JLT009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU"
9-DEC-1995 21:38:58.91
>>>>To: IN%"tab002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
IN%"bab028@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
>>IN%"efh002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
IN%"jrb006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
>>IN%"blf001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
IN%"btk003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
>>IN%"cdb005@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
IN%"klb026@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
>>IN%"cjw008@ACAD.DRAKE.
>>>>CC:
>>>>Subj:
AIDS project
>>>>
>>>>Date:
Sat, 09 Dec 1995 21:38:31 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>From:
JLT009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
>>>>Subject:
AIDS project
>>>>To:
tab002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, bab028@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, efh002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
jrb006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, blf001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, btk003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
cdb005@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, klb026@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, cjw008@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
mjh030@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, kmb012@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, def003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
mma004@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, cmj005@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, ams026@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
arw003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, fam003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, mrd002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
nij001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, jlt009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, jms047@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
nrj001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, alc011@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, dd0028@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
jg0044@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, ca0009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, gsw001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
jmh037@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, jlh039@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, kes007@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,
>>>>
kce003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, gh0010@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
>>>>Date:
Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:16:30 CDT
>>>>From:
JWS006%ACAD@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
>>>>Subject:
aids forwarded
>>>>To:
TLB013@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
>>>>
>>>>From:
IN%"lferris@indiana.edu"
"laura elizabeth ferris"
7-DEC-1995
>>17:51:04.38
>>>>To: IN%"gollan@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu",
IN%"mgranado@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu",
>>IN%"JWS006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",
IN%"mariegeo@aol.com", IN%"jbpettit@indiana",
>>IN%"jmessmer@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu",
IN%"jaimee@falcon.cc.ukans.edu",
>>IN%"n-kuhn@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu",
IN
>>>>CC:
>>>>Subj:
aids (fwd)
>>>>
>>
>>>>Date:
Thu, 07 Dec 1995 18:50:56 -0500 (EST)
>>>>From:
laura elizabeth ferris <lferris@indiana.edu>
>>>>Subject:
aids (fwd)
>>>>X-Sender:
lferris@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu
>>>>To:
gollan@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu, mgranado@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu,
>>>>
JWS006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, mariegeo@aol.com, jbpettit@indiana,
>>>>
jmessmer@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu, jaimee@falcon.cc.ukans.edu,
>>>>
n-kuhn@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu, ann elizabeth mellish <u27541@uicvm.uic.edu>
>>
>>>>----------
Forwarded message ----------
>>>>Date:
Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:43:02 -0500 (EST)
>>>>From:
jenna catherine murphy <jcmurphy@indiana.edu>
>>>>Cc:
lferris@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu
>>>>Subject:
aids (fwd)
>>>>
>>>>This
is from one of my HS friends in Connecticut, so pass it to everyone
>>>>you
know!
>>>>
>>>>----------
Forwarded message ----------
>>>>Date:
Thu, 7 Dec 95 16:45:24 EWT
>>>>From:
KEESLER <bekessle@mailbox.syr.edu>
>>>>To:
jcmurphy@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu
>>>>Subject:
aids
>>>>
>>>>For
a class project, I was wondering if this could be passed on to prove
>>>>a
point. In my human sex class, we
learned that if someone has received
>>>>the
HIV disease, and they don't know about it, they could pass it on to
>>>>people
who they don't even know.
>>>> Could you all pretend that I have HIV,
and I gave it to you.
>>>>Then
could you pass it on to your friends?
Let's see if the entire
>>>>e-mail
population could get infected by me alone.
>>>> Please remember that this is a lab
experiment. I have to say
>>>>that
I am not intending to offend any one in any way.
>>>> By the way, don't erase this or the
forwards from your computer.
>>>>
>>>>
Thankyou
>>>>Young
bradley
>>
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:31:39 -0500
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From: Bill
Lawlor <wlawlor@UWSPMAIL.UWSP.EDU>
Subject: beat jokes beaten down
This is
just to say
that I
have read the jokes
that
you posted on BEAT-L
and I
have laughed at them
They
were so cool
so
sweet
yes
they
were beat
too bad
someone said
they
didn't fit
in this
ice box
on the
internet
Bill
(William) not WCW
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From:
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politically correct xmas
saint klaus, nicklaus = niko-leos
("conqueror of the people") in greek
st. close (inner sanctum, instant sanka) =
st. claws
plastered against sky on insect-antennaed
rooftops across Am-ri-ka
pussy-footed fat honky in rubber boots
descends smokeless chimneys
while tiny pink cocks poke forth timid heads
from stocking tops
and high-voltage-pulsing green tree opens
budding cones to infinity
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From: Scott Weintraub
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Subject: What to do in Lowell?
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My
friends and I are going on a little road-trip over Christmas break.
Our
main stop is going to be Lowell where we all wanted to check out
Kerouac's
grave. I know a few of you have been to
Lowell (The Kerouac
Convention,
etc.) so could you tell me, exactly, where Jack's grave is
and are
there any other Kerouac-related sites that we should see while
we're
there?
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* Scott Weintraub - scottw@wam.umd.edu -
College Park, Maryland *
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* "The bounties of space, of infinite
outwardness, were three: empty *
* heroics, low comedy, and pointless
death." -Kurt Vonnegut *
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From: Frank Stevenson
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Subject: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg spotted
Comments:
cc: jesse fleming <fleming@mail.tku.edu.tw>
The
"ONE WAY" to experience NYC, MAN: late (2-4 am) wandering around
Times
Square--Greyound
Bus Station area, taking in the mildly violent vibes and
talking
to whichever black prostitutes want to talk (I did this during my
1
golden month back in the "land of the free" in august, by the way)
about
how things have "gotten much more tense and violent" in this area
of nyc,
late at night.....(but only talking, of course), and only THEN
hitting
one of those amazing pulsating-with-energy late-nite bars where
men/women
and black/white/jewish/whatever talk and laugh with wondrous
freedom
and openness and the vibes are (after all) very good indeed.....
(as
only then has one, in a sense, earned this pavlovian reward)....
fws
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ok,
thanks--esp. for clarification of the "x which marks the spot." fws
On Sun,
26 Nov 1995, Rita T. Friedman wrote:
>
>>ok, i see...if the front end of boomers was (being born in) '45 or so,
>
when was the back end? (also, what does the "x" in "generation x" mean?)
> fws, taipei
>
>>
>
>
the end of the "boomers" generation, as I understand it, is just like
any of
>
the parameters of "generation x."
That is to say, no-one bothered to define
> it
well. Boomers had hippies, so figure
therefore anyone who had a child
>
after the hippy-era isn't a boomer.
>
Generation X is becoming an extinict term.
I recently went to a debate
>
entitled "generation X's Apathy Is Ruining America" where everyone
there felt
>
against that statement and it was cancelled.
The X is supposed to signify
>
the lack of identity, the non-committed to a cause, the un-whatevered-ness of
> it
all.
> I
thought that at one point there was an actual defining age of generation X,
>
but it seems that people either adjust the borders to BE A PART OF It or to
> be
TOTALLY EXCLUDED FROM IT.
>
Anyway, the Coupland book was wonderful.
>
;-/
>
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Subject: sf chronical--thanks
Thanks
to everyone who responded to my request for help on the San Francisco Ch
ronicle
articles on the Beats. Mission
accomplished!
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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg
spotted
One
landmark of (rapidly changing) Times Square from the late fourties is the
Howard
Johnsons (a disappearing breed) (around Broadway and 44th) where Edie
Parker
met Jack and ate six hot dogs. Times
Square still has a seedy,
slightly
scarey, some might say "beat" feel but I find the East Villege and
Alphabet
city a lot more interesting these days.
I'd say that the ghosts
have
migrated to, say, St. Marks Place at Ave. B.
For the record, St. Marks
Place has
also been kinda cleaned up from a few years ago, as has Tompkins
Square
Park.
Howard
Park
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From: Whatuv@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Virus ALERT !!!!!!!!!!!!...
Comments:
To: Elder#m#_Bo@msgate.apple.com, bastein@imap2.asu.edu,
BoomShenka@aol.com, creeps@pipeline.com, jgold@instinet.com,
Ganyard#m#_Joye@msgate.apple.com
Comments:
cc: cooling@students.BITNET, ZMDJ65A@prodigy.com
Ha!
an
obvious attempt to bait me, well it won't work!
or,
perhaps it already has....
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From: Perry Lindstrom
<LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>
Subject: Christmas with Kerouac
Although
I'm well into my reading of _On the Road_
I don't think it's the
right
time for a long-winded serious analysis of the
postmodern/revolutionary/existentialist
implications of this and other Beat
texts. Rather, I offer another approach --
partically in response to the
recent
(and I guess absent) poster who bemoaned the self-seriousness of the
list. I offer it with no apologies to JK nor to
anyone else but to say that
imitation
is the highest form of flattery and that satire is the highest --
perhaps
lowest -- form of imitation.
Christmas
with Kerouac: On The Road to Bankruptcy
We
rolled outa the Volvo all raggedy like and itchy from the
leather
seats -- it was a real gone and sad Volvo, one of the
front
heater seats was barely working and the speakers had a real
ethereal,
far-away quality about them like two mad, gone monks
humming
some wild surreal tune to one another on some mountain
road in
some other time zone where people don't floss their teeth
or
might not even brush. We ambled all
melancholy and flatulent
from
the Volvo to the entrance of the mall -- I swear it was the
wildest
mall entrance I'd ever seen in all my days -- it had
automatic
doors that opened and closed, opened and closed, opened
and
closed and we jumped on and off the little rubber mat causing
the
doors to open and close, open and close, open and close -- it
was
wild, and incredible and somehow sad.
When we finally got
into
the mall and into the flow of all the crazed shoppers with
visions
and decisions, higgilly-biggilly here, there, and
everywhere
in some lunatic rush and binge like the pioneers in
their
conasomethingorother wagons bursting forth upon the
continent,
flowing out and about around and down, bouncing
banging,
head-clanging, belly-wangling, caterwauling and
cavetching
in some Holy arbitrary labyrinth of confusion,
congestion
and general mayhem. Then I saw the
wildest dudes I
have
ever seen in my life -- in their large, EXTREMELY large
pants. I mean these pants were BIG. A family of Mexican grape
pickers
could live in these pants -- and did. I
said to myself
these
big, wild pants are so American, so wild and free -- they
were
big freedom pants billowing with mad free souls, sailing
pants
filled with the wind of broken dreams or dreams that broke
wind in
the wild, incredibly big-panted life.
We followed the
dudes
into the crowds of touristas clutching their pocket books
and
children like great, fat, sweaty, bloated, bourgeois
shoppers,
which of course they were. We were
moving among them
like
manic, abstract ghost crabs weaving wild and intricate
patterns
across the faux marble floors. When
suddenly we came
upon the
most gone and wild and sad Santa I swear I had ever seen
before
or since. His laugh was the most
soulful and lugubrious
instrument
of pain to have ever sprung itself on this mad vortex
of
stars and circumstance I like to call life.
I sat on his lap
--
tears streaming down my cheeks and he looked into my eyes and
said
something so deep and real like -- son you're cutting off
the
circulation to my legs -- that I cried even more. And then
suddenly
we were off again caught up in the great flow of
humanity,
the great ebb tide of human consumption and
constipation. We found ourselves inside a great
store. A great,
wonderful
American store that held all my futures -- all my
dreams
in one great and good merchandizing extravaganza. I felt
like a
homeward-looking angel: furtive and drunk with possibility
in this
materialistic Mecca. Quite suddenly I
looked up and saw
her --
she was dressed as an elf with curling little shoes and
belled
toes and all -- I followed her like the mad-sad puppy-soul
that I
am -- followed to her place of work -- a body piercing
parlor. She was half Mexican/ half Irish with one
green eye, one
brown. She was a wild walking advertisement for
body piercing:
pierced
ears, pierced nose, pierced tongue, pierced navel,
pierced
nipples, pierced pancreas, pierced cerebellum,
pierced
soul --
I loved her immediate and deep. After
three hours of
wild
conversation over cappucino we had ourselves surgically
connected
with one great body ring the size of a hula-hoop. We
moved
like we were in a perpetual sack race -- life's great
perpetual
sack race, hopping and sweating and stumbling and
giggling
all over the place in a mad rush for the finish line of
love. And I loved her with all my soul -- ol'
what's-her-name.
When we
went our own ways I was hurt deeply -- I mean REALLY hurt
-- I
awoke in an alien hospital bed several days later not
knowing
who I was, or even what species I was -- that's how
alienated
and beat I felt -- not knowing what species I was I
tried
wearing the bed pan as a hat -- the used bed pan -- then I
could
have kicked myself I was so wet and ridiculous lying in
that
hospital bed like a crazy, gone,
mad paramecium in somebody's
petri
dish. Then I looked up in the moment of my greatest despair
and who
should be there but that same gone Santa from before --
the
same bearded Buddha soul that was my salvation and I called
out to
him -- Hey bearded Buddha man! Hey great red mantra-man!
and he
turned and I swear this is true -- he blew the greatest
sad and
mournful riffs I have ever heard then or since from a sax
he had
in his big red sack -- it was a sad sack sax and he blew
it to
the max, and I heard him exclaim as he blew out o' sight --
Merry
X-Mas to all and to all a gone night!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
TO ONE AND ALL
Perry
M. Lindstrom
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
<gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Christmas with Kerouac
>We
rolled outa the Volvo all raggedy like and itchy from the
>leather
seats -- it was a real gone and sad Volvo, one of the
>front
heater seats was barely working and the speakers had a real
>ethereal,
far-away quality about them like two mad, gone monks
>humming
some wild surreal tune to one another on some mountain
>road
in some other time zone where people don't floss their teeth
>or
might not even brush. We ambled all
melancholy and flatulent
>from
the Volvo to the entrance of the mall -- I swear it was the
>wildest
mall entrance I'd ever seen in all my days -- it had
>automatic
doors that opened and closed, opened and closed, opened
>and
closed and we jumped on and off the little rubber mat causing
>the
doors to open and close, open and close, open and close -- it
>was
wild, and incredible and somehow sad.
When we finally got
>into
the mall and into the flow of all the crazed shoppers with
>visions
and decisions, higgilly-biggilly here, there, and
>everywhere
in some lunatic rush and binge like the pioneers in
>their
conasomethingorother wagons bursting forth upon the
>continent,
flowing out and about around and down, bouncing
>banging,
head-clanging, belly-wangling, caterwauling and
>cavetching
in some Holy arbitrary labyrinth of confusion,
>congestion
and general mayhem. Then I saw the
wildest dudes I
>have
ever seen in my life -- in their large, EXTREMELY large
>pants. I mean these pants were BIG. A family of Mexican grape
>pickers
could live in these pants -- and did. I
said to myself
>these
big, wild pants are so American, so wild and free -- they
>were
big freedom pants billowing with mad free souls, sailing
>pants
filled with the wind of broken dreams or dreams that broke
>wind
in the wild, incredibly big-panted life.
We followed the
>dudes
into the crowds of touristas clutching their pocket books
>and
children like great, fat, sweaty, bloated, bourgeois
>shoppers,
which of course they were. We were
moving among them
>like
manic, abstract ghost crabs weaving wild and intricate
>patterns
across the faux marble floors. When
suddenly we came
>upon
the most gone and wild and sad Santa I swear I had ever seen
>before
or since. His laugh was the most
soulful and lugubrious
>instrument
of pain to have ever sprung itself on this mad vortex
>of
stars and circumstance I like to call life.
I sat on his lap
>--
tears streaming down my cheeks and he looked into my eyes and
>said
something so deep and real like -- son you're cutting off
>the
circulation to my legs -- that I cried even more. And then
>suddenly
we were off again caught up in the great flow of
>humanity,
the great ebb tide of human consumption and
>constipation. We found ourselves inside a great
store. A great,
>wonderful
American store that held all my futures -- all my
>dreams
in one great and good merchandizing extravaganza. I felt
>like
a homeward-looking angel: furtive and drunk with possibility
>in
this materialistic Mecca. Quite
suddenly I looked up and saw
>her
-- she was dressed as an elf with curling little shoes and
>belled
toes and all -- I followed her like the mad-sad puppy-soul
>that
I am -- followed to her place of work -- a body piercing
>parlor. She was half Mexican/ half Irish with one
green eye, one
>brown. She was a wild walking advertisement for
body piercing:
>pierced
ears, pierced nose, pierced tongue, pierced navel,
>pierced
nipples, pierced pancreas, pierced cerebellum,
pierced
>soul
-- I loved her immediate and deep.
After three hours of
>wild
conversation over cappucino we had ourselves surgically
>connected
with one great body ring the size of a hula-hoop. We
>moved
like we were in a perpetual sack race -- life's great
>perpetual
sack race, hopping and sweating and stumbling and
>giggling
all over the place in a mad rush for the finish line of
>love. And I loved her with all my soul -- ol'
what's-her-name.
>When
we went our own ways I was hurt deeply -- I mean REALLY hurt
>--
I awoke in an alien hospital bed several days later not
>knowing
who I was, or even what species I was -- that's how
>alienated
and beat I felt -- not knowing what species I was I
>tried
wearing the bed pan as a hat -- the used bed pan -- then I
>could
have kicked myself I was so wet and ridiculous lying in
>that
hospital bed like a crazy, gone,
mad paramecium in somebody's
>petri
dish. Then I looked up in the moment of my greatest despair
>and
who should be there but that same gone Santa from before --
>the
same bearded Buddha soul that was my salvation and I called
>out
to him -- Hey bearded Buddha man! Hey great red mantra-man!
>and
he turned and I swear this is true -- he blew the greatest
>sad
and mournful riffs I have ever heard then or since from a sax
>he
had in his big red sack -- it was a sad sack sax and he blew
>it
to the max, and I heard him exclaim as he blew out o' sight --
>Merry
X-Mas to all and to all a gone night!
>
>HAPPY
HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL
>
>Perry
M. Lindstrom
>
>
That's
so funny because the same thing happened to me yesterday.
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Subject: Re: Christmas with Kerouac
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>HAPPY
HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL
>
>Perry
M. Lindstrom
Sorry
not to be ABLE to ask this personally, but I have a journal
that I
keep on my internet coffeehouse that amuses people with
good
conversation once in a while. Would it be acceptable to
use
this? It's small and only read by a few hundred every day,
so the
traffic isn't quite the internet-ted capacity of, oh, say Yahoo.
Mail me
personally so that I don't get marked for off-posting.
Thanks, Critter
[Chris.Ritter@DaytonOH.ATTGIS.COM]
ps.
Corduroy's
Coffeehouse <http://metro.turnpike.net/C/Critter/index.html>
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From: "Christopher C. Hayes"
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Subject: Beats&Xers
Recently
Frank Stevenson wrote:
"The
X is supposed to signify the lack of identity, the non-commited to a
cause,
the un-whatevered-ness of it all."
The
intersection of the Beats with generation X is an interesting one.
Both
sub-generations were demographically challenged -- I was born in 73,
which I
believe had one of the lowest birth rates in this century. Each
group
has of course experienced it's own type of socialization, thus one
must be
careful with the creation of analogizes.
With that warning said
and
heeded, I feel comfortable in saying that each groups lack of influence
--
during their own time most of the beats were ridiculed by the power
elite
-- steams from there lack of size.
The
Beats used the boomer generation as a sounding board to vent there
frustration
over their society. The Hippies took
some of the beats ideas,
mostly
the bacchanal, and put them into a mass culture. When the Hippies'
generation
did make news, wether it be though demonstrations or getting
jobs in
the media, they carried their own audience,
in fact the
constituted
their own audience. Thus the idea of
the beats, presented by
the
powerless beats, got little attention; but, when the larger
sub-generation
that followed the beats, expressed beat ideas, they got
attention.
I feel
as though the beats realized that their influence on society, in
there
own time, was going to be small. Woody
Allen and others comics, as
well as
other media, of the time did poke fun at them in forums like the
SId
Ceaser show. It was is ridicule, for
lack of a better word, that
reinforced
the feelings of alienation which was an engine for their work.
Generation
X, which is also wedged in between two
large generations, one
of
which happens to be the Hippies again, also has these feelings of
powerlessness. Will us Xers be able to use those feelings
of alienation to
create,
as the beats did, or will we buy the apathetic label? The worst
possible
out come would be Xers recreating, as the Hippies did, the Beat
generation. That is not to say that I can't enjoy what
the beats have
given
us, I just would like to get beyond them.
Damien
Zillas
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From: Tsaelinah
<serajani@UNIXG.UBC.CA>
Subject: Re: Christmas with Kerouac
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On Tue,
19 Dec 1995, Perry Lindstrom wrote:
Might i
just say one word....
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Argh,
that was great. Happy xmas to you too.
=)
Tsaelinah
(in a jar)
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Subject: Re: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg
spotted
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Of course, any of us would more likely
associate Greenwich or East
Village
or generally lower Manhattan with the beats--though K and G were
also at
Columbia, and G talks about his Blake "vision" in a Harlem apt.
in 1949
or so--rather than Times Square, that haven of seediness, cheap
commercialization,
prostitutes and TOURISTOS. I just was thinking that for
this
very reason it also catches something of G's "Molloch" and his self-
parodic
mode in "Howl." fws
On Tue,
19 Dec 1995, Howard Park wrote:
>
One landmark of (rapidly changing) Times Square from the late fourties is the
>
Howard Johnsons (a disappearing breed) (around Broadway and 44th) where Edie
>
Parker met Jack and ate six hot dogs.
Times Square still has a seedy,
>
slightly scarey, some might say "beat" feel but I find the East
Villege and
>
Alphabet city a lot more interesting these days. I'd say that the ghosts
>
have migrated to, say, St. Marks Place at Ave. B. For the record, St. Marks
>
Place has also been kinda cleaned up from a few years ago, as has Tompkins
>
Square Park.
>
>
Howard Park
>
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Subject: Re: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg
spotted
Comments:
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>The
"ONE WAY" to experience NYC, MAN: late (2-4 am) wandering around
Times
>Square--Greyound
Bus Station area, taking in the mildly violent vibes and
>talking
to whichever black prostitutes want to talk (I did this during my
>1
golden month back in the "land of the free" in august, by the way)
>about
how things have "gotten much more tense and violent" in this area
>of
nyc, late at night.....(but only talking, of course), and only THEN
>hitting
one of those amazing pulsating-with-energy late-nite bars where
>men/women
and black/white/jewish/whatever talk and laugh with wondrous
>freedom
and openness and the vibes are (after all) very good indeed.....
>(as
only then has one, in a sense, earned this pavlovian reward)....
>
> fws
Was it
simply me or did this seem amazingly poetic? With a little reworking
on the
format I'd say you've got a hard poem here..
..Critter
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From: ccook <ccook@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Hello?
I've
not recieved anything from this list in weeks and am wondering if I
somehow
got unsubscribed......Sorry if this is unnecesary clutter in
anyone's
mailbox.
Chuck C
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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
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Subject: Re: Hello?
>I've
not recieved anything from this list in weeks and am wondering if I
>somehow
got unsubscribed......Sorry if this is unnecesary clutter in
>anyone's
mailbox.
>
>Chuck
C
It has
been low volume. The same thought crossed
my mind.
If you
get this, you are not unsubscribed.
I
appreciate the low volume in a way.
Here is
a note. I put up two new sounds of
kerouac reading a while ago. I
don't
think i announced this here. The new
sounds are Kerouac singing and
kerouac
reading from Neal and the Three Stooges.
They are .au files
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
And
Anyone
see the Jack Kerouac CD Romnibus in stores????
I haven't.
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From: Mitchell Smith <Kerolist@AOL.COM>
Subject: ???
Anybody
there? Has the list died? Email me directly.
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From: Arno Selhorst
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Subject: Re: ???
At
00:44 29.12.1995 -0500, you wrote:
>Anybody
there? Has the list died? Email me directly.
Hi,
I
don=B4t think the list died, it=B4s just that everyone is either on=
vacation
over
the year or visiting friends and family.
BTW,
Timothy, I downloaded some of your Kerouac files. Thx a lot for putting
up the
URL for us here on the list!=20
A happy
new year to all of you...
Arno
Selhorst, Germany, Bonn
KaeseKaeseundnochmalKaese!!!
=3D)
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From: Gene Simakowicz
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Subject: Re: ???
Actually...
we're
alive and well and spending time in reading and contemplation..
I'ts
Xmas break; who feels like getting into a discourse? I'd rather drink
beer
and rent a good flick for now.
Peace,love,
and Bobby Sherman,
Gene
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From: Dixie Parsons <Pugsinc@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: ???
I've just
subscribed to this list, but I've gotten all of this mail, so it
must be
active... be talking to you all later.
Mic
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From: "W. Luther Jett"
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Subject: Re: ???
Only
mail I'm getting are the queries about the list; did get some pieces
about a
week ago. Assumed everyone was doing holiday things as the traffic
dropped
off abruptly right around Xmas.
I think
the heavy volume in the past month, very spirited discussions, etc.
may
make the current hiatus seem more bizarre than might otherwise be the
case.
Luther
Jett
P.S.
Happy New Year to all!
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From: Debra Keith <SEDHIRA@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Hello?
Kerouac
Romnibus is available from Water Row Books for $49.95.
E-mail
Waterrow@AOL.com
Snail
mail PO Box 438, Sudbury MA 01776
Phone
508-485-8515
Great
catalogue available for the asking!
Debbie
Keith
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From: Bill
Lawlor <wlawlor@UWSPMAIL.UWSP.EDU>
Subject: beat jokes beaten down
I have
heard about and read a little about the current exhibit at the
Whitney
Museum in New York. Has this exhibit
been discussed by fellows
on the
net? What is of particular
interest? What special performances
have
been included, who has seen them, and what reports can be given?
I've
ordered the catalog from the museum and have a standing order for
the
CD-ROM. I hope that I have made the
right choice in getting these
items. I would like to fly into New York and see
the actual exhibit, but
time
and $ weigh on my mind and wallet, making me choose the lest costly,
more
ordinary alternatives.
So let
me know. Who has seen the show? Whither goest thou, Whitney, in thy
shiny
black car in the night?
Bill of
the North Woods
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From: "W. Luther Jett"
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Subject: Birth of the Beat Generation
Today's
Washington Post carries a very favourable review of a new book, "The
Birth
of the Beat Generation: Visionaries, Rebels, and Hipsters 1844-1960",
by
Steven Watson (Pantheon). I quote, in part, from the review:
"An
elegant coffee-table book, 'The Birth of the Beat Generation' juxtaposes
arresting,
seldom-seen photographs with a lively, engaging, bare-bones
narrative.
It also juxtaposes maps both geographic and interrelational with
assorted
marginalia: quips, booklists and beat argot. . . . Not since
Lawrence
Lipson's 'Holy Barbarians' of 1959 has there been a book of the Beat
experience
whole, even though various biographies have in varying degree
mined
the details. . . . Oddly, what is wanting, a true assessment, does not
diminish
this book's achievement . . . ."
So, has
anyone seen the book? How accurate is the reviewer's assessment?
Luther
Jett