beat list 1996

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Carl Luoma wrote:

> In a message dated 96-02-15 13:10:12 EST, you write:

> >"All those writers were terribly dull," he said. I don't believe it.

> >

> I could believe it. They may seem dull to strangers and people who weren't

> close to them, but I also agree, I think burroughs would make the best

> grandfather.

Visits to grandpa's house would just fuck you up :)

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:43:48 -0500

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From: Ben Moore <ARoadToad@AOL.COM>

Subject: On the Road again...

I am going out to San Francisco in about a month. I am interested in

suggestions of beat-related places (besides City Lights) to visit. Also good

used bookstores and jazz clubs. I suggest you e-mail me directly to avoid

cluttering up mailboxes of non-interested list members.

Thanks.

Ben

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:24:25 -0500

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Re: On the Road again...

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>I am going out to San Francisco in about a month. I am interested in

>suggestions of beat-related places (besides City Lights) to visit. Also

good

>used bookstores and jazz clubs. I suggest you e-mail me directly to avoid

>cluttering up mailboxes of non-interested list members.

>Thanks.

>Ben

Actually I plan on doing this myself one day and I wouldn't mind a copy

myself. You can post it here since it really does sound like an interesting

conversation, or just double-mail it to Ben and I.

..Critter (Critter@mail.serve.com)

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:35:25 -0500

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From: Carl Luoma <Filosipher@AOL.COM>

6-02-21 16:33:29 EST, you write:

>>In tune with all the priest stuff -

>>Wasn't Bill's character in _Drugstore Cowboy_ a junkie priest?

>Yes, ex-junkie.. but that's knit-picking.

actually he was an ex-junkie that tended to go off the wagon from time to

time.

But that's knit-picking

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:55:37 -0800

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From: Thomas McNamee <mcnamet@EOSC.OSSHE.EDU>

Subject: Re: On the Road again...

In-Reply-To: <960221214343_228153477@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Ben Moore" at

Feb 21, 96 09:43:48 pm

Ah! The Hotel Du Midi, the San Remo, Coit Tower, anywhere in North Beach

(the old town bars), Chinatown, watch out for the ghosts. pleasant trails

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From: apm5%aberystwyth.ac.uk@UKACRL.BITNET

Subject: Re: beat writers, current status (fwd)

>On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Carl Luoma wrote:

>> In a message dated 96-02-15 13:10:12 EST, you write:

>> >"All those writers were terribly dull," he said. I don't believe it.

>> >

>> I could believe it. They may seem dull to strangers and people who weren't

>> close to them, but I also agree, I think burroughs would make the best

>> grandfather.

> Visits to grandpa's house would just fuck you up :)

If you want to read about this sort of stuff, try a book by Grandpa Bill's

son (also called William confusingly). The book is called Kentucky Ham and

has a section where Bill jnr. goes to see Bill snr. in Morocco. Obviously

the old man introduces the kid to drugs... It's an interesting read, and

apparently surprisingly good (I've only read an extract).

Alan Maddrell

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:19:37 EST

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From: Mark Fisher <Fisher@PROGRAMART.COM>

Subject: Re[2]: On the Road again...

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>I am going out to San Francisco in about a month. I am interested in

>suggestions of beat-related places (besides City Lights) to visit. Also

good

>used bookstores and jazz clubs. I suggest you e-mail me directly to avoid

>cluttering up mailboxes of non-interested list members.

>Thanks.

>Ben

Actually I plan on doing this myself one day and I wouldn't mind a copy

myself. You can post it here since it really does sound like an interesting

conversation, or just double-mail it to Ben and I.

..Critter (Critter@mail.serve.com)

Origins of the Beat Generation has a map of SF with Beat landmarks.

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From: "Gregory J. Conroy" <gconroy@SIUE.EDU>

Subject: On the R again

At 8:55 PM 2/21/96, Thomas McNamee wrote:

>Ah! The Hotel Du Midi, the San Remo, Coit Tower, anywhere in North Beach

>(the old town bars), Chinatown, watch out for the ghosts. pleasant trails

Hi...

Sounds like fun.....but I have to report on a trip to NY I took two years

ago, traveled to the Village, and sought the old haunts for that crazy

Columbia crowd of the late '40s and early '50s....

I walked into a coffeehouse (my ancient memory pan hasn't retained the name

of the place, I want to say San Remo's, but, no....) where AG reportedly

wrote most of _Howl_ and Jackie held court with Holmes and Bill,

etc.,......and I found this fashionable boutique-y place with gourmet

coffee....totally 90s decor.....

I had expected photos on the wall (Hey, the White Horse on the West Side

still has photos of Dylan Thomas on the wall....of course, he died in an

alley, victim of a spent liver, behind the place, so there ya' go)....but,

anyway, there was not even a shred of any evidence that, well, hell,

anything had been written in this antiseptic place in the Village.....

Anyway, this innocent, fresh-faced young lady asked if I'd like to be

seated and I said: "Is this the place where Kerouac and Ginsberg wrote most

of their stuff"....and she, of the frozen smile, said: "Huh?"

I excused myself and walked out....

Be careful...you can't go back, at least not in the Village, at least not

some places....

Gregory J. Conroy

University News Services

Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville

<<Nunc senex, ad hunc demens>>

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From: Peter McGahey <PRM95003@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>

Hey Critter, what do you do - check your mail once a month?

No offense intended.

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From: M D Fascione <m.d.fascione@CITY.AC.UK>

Subject: Burroughs elsewhere in music (fwd)

I've also heard that he covered an R.E.M. tune-- Star Me Kitten,

for an episode of The X Files.

..Critter

Critter

You wouldn't happen to know which episode this is would you? Most bizarre!

from a fellow Bill fan

Daniel

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: beats exhibit

In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:08:13 -0500 from

<Filosipher@AOL.COM>

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:08:13 -0500 Carl Luoma said:

>In a message dated 96-02-17 16:20:46 EST, you write:

>>The Beat exhibit at the Whitney in NYC is over now. It will open in

>>Minneapolis again in late spring.

>>Howard Park

>Any speciffic info? dates? where in Mpls?

Okay, here's the Beat exhibit dates: Walker Art Center, Minneapolis June 2 - S

ept 15, 1996; M.H. de Young Memorial Museum, The Fine Arts Museums of San Franc

isco, Oct 5 - Dec. 29, 1996. And don't forget the Rebels and Poets exhibit on

now at the National Portrait Gallery in DC.

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

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>>>In tune with all the priest stuff -

>>>

>>>Wasn't Bill's character in _Drugstore Cowboy_ a junkie priest?

>>Yes, ex-junkie.. but that's knit-picking.

>actually he was an ex-junkie that tended to go off the wagon from time to

>time.

>But that's knit-picking

I sitting here laughing and wondering what even SMALLER fact I

can touche with. Unfortunately I was too involved w/ the little hats

flying around on the screen to pay that much attention to what WSBs

habits had changed to.

I do remember him picking up that paper sack of drugs though and

retiring to his apartment, so you've got me there. Touche!

..Critter

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: No offense received.

Comments: To: "BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET" <BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu>

>Hey Critter, what do you do - check your mail once a month?

It would look like that. Actually my lack of depth in Beat knowledge

makes me more of a lurker than an actual responder. It just so happened

that the topics for "this month" rolled down my alley. [smile]

>No offense intended.

...Critter

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:36:33 -0500

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From: "Christopher C. Hayes" <risny@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject: Re: On the R again

The baton has been passed -- some time ago -- from hipsters to tourists in

many places in the west village. The White Horse tavern has become a meat

market for the young and... lets just say anxious.

However there are many places in the village, especially the East village,

which are reminecent, while not fawning, over beat culture. One just has to

know were to look.

Damien

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Re: Burroughs elsewhere in music (fwd)

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>Critter

>You wouldn't happen to know which episode this is would you? Most bizarre!

>from a fellow Bill fan

>Daniel

Not off the top of my head, unfortunately. I'm not to up-to-date on the X

Files

simply because my time doesn't permit this. If I find out I'll get back to

you

on it, though.

..Critter

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From: Ben Moore <ARoadToad@AOL.COM>

Subject: Contact

I am interested in learning a bit about a SF (I believe) journal called

Contact. What was the connection (if any) to Beat literature? Also, what

would be a fair price to pay for an individual issue from the late 50's?

Ben

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From: "bs@UBC" <sbent@UNIXG.UBC.CA>

Subject: Rebels: Painters and Poet of the 1950s

The National Gallery exhibit doesn't actually open until the 24th...

Subject: http://www.si.edu/organiza/museums/portgal/homepage/calendar.htm

> Welcome to the National Portrait Gallery

> NATIONAL PORTRAIT GALLERY EXHIBITION POSTPONED

> Because of delays caused by the federal government shutdown in

> December, the public opening for the Smithsonian's National Portrait

> Gallery exhibition "Rebels: Painters and Poets of the 1950s" has

> been changed.

> The exhibition will open Saturday, Feb. 24. (The exhibition had been

> scheduled to open Jan. 26.)

> "Rebels: Painters and Poets of the 1950s" examines the revolutions

> in painting and poetry that took place on the East and West Coasts

> following World War II. The "Poets" section includes such

> counterculture icons as Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsberg, Lawrence

> Ferlinghetti and William Burroughs. The "Painters" section examines

> the lives and work of Jackson Pollock, Willem and Elaine de Kooning,

> Robert Motherwell and other artists of the New York School.

> The National Portrait Gallery is located at 8th and F Streets N.W.

> Hours are from 10 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. daily. Admission is free. The

> exhibition is on the first floor.

Regards,

bs@UBC

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:53:02 -0500

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From: Ben Moore <ARoadToad@AOL.COM>

Subject: Beat bookworm

Regarding recent postings over reading beat literature vs. tapes, CDs and

videos, etc. I would like to comment that it was hearing Kerouac read his

stuff on The Jack Kerouac Collection was what really FIRSTexcited me about

beat literature.

I greatly treasure the various audio recordings I have of Kerouac, Ginsberg,

and Burroughs reading their writings. Whenever I listen to them, the

literature is so much more powerful and meaningful to me and I know the oral

tradition is a major component especially of both Kerouac's and Ginsberg's

writing. I can't imagine just being a " beat bookworm" and only reading the

literature. Reading alone doesn't seem to cover everything it was about.

Ben

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From: "Gilbert, Len" <lgilbert@INTEGRALSYS.COM>

Subject: Feud?

I read two interesting pieces on the Web, one by Jan Kerouac one by Gerald

Nicosia, about a little perceived or actual disrespect. Implications of

"camps" with Ann Charters, Ginsberg, and Sampras on one side and Nicosia,

Kerouac, and a few others on the other side.

Total gossip?

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 05:55:44 EST

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From: Joe <100106.1102@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject: ah pook

hello.

wsb wrote a poem called 'ah pook' (from - 'the invaders?' - which he read on

'call me burroughs?')

anyyyyywayy...

was at a friends last night and he put on this animation video which included an

animation to this poem!

bill reading out 'death is the seed from which i will grow etc.' over the top of

this animation was absolutely brilliant. it really captured the poem.

anyone else seen it? if so what do you think?

anyone know more about it?

have any other animations been set to any other beat poems?

joe

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Subject: Re: ah pook

>bill reading out 'death is the seed from which i will grow etc.' over the

top of

>this animation was absolutely brilliant. it really captured the poem.

>anyone else seen it? if so what do you think?

_Much_ to my chagrin, I arrived home (in England) one evening, turned on the

TV and heard the old faggot's dulcet tones. I immediately snapped wide awake

and focussed, but I saw only the last minute of this treasure. Did I see a

beetle, or am I mistaken (this is possible since I was playing Gregor Samsa

in Berkoff's play adaptation of Kafka's Metamorphosis at the time...).

Alan Maddrell

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From: M D Fascione <m.d.fascione@CITY.AC.UK>

Subject: ah pook (fwd)

was at a friends last night and he put on this animation video which included an

animation to this poem!

anyone know more about it?

Yes indeed, what is this video called, come on people rack them memories....

Daniel

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:32:57 EST

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Subject: Beat bookworm (fwd)

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

From: Ben Moore <ARoadToad@AOL.COM>

Whenever I listen to them, the

literature is so much more powerful and meaningful to me and I know the oral

tradition is a major component especially of both Kerouac's and Ginsberg's

writing. I can't imagine just being a " beat bookworm" and only reading the

literature. Reading alone doesn't seem to cover everything it was about.

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As I have been one of those who tries to get this going to the books, I

have to concede defeat here. One the aspects that truely sets the Beats

apart from other poets of the period is the auditory character of their

work (the attempted recreation of jazz improvization specifically) and

this is seen best through their own recitations. I guess we all remember

that it was the Six Gallery reading that took off the movement. The

readings were so important - you are correct here.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:04:59 EST

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Comments: Resent-From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM>

Comments: Originally-From: "Dan Schiff" <dschiff@sybex.com>

From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Organization: Sybex Inc.

Subject: Joyce stolen photo alert!

Thought I'd forward this note from the James Joyce listserv. Literary larceny

afoot at Cafe Vesuvio. Is City Lights safe?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

This just in.From the bottom of Herb Caen's column in The San

Francisco Chronicle, Thursday Feb 22nd:

"On Sun. night, "two yuppies" as the waitress described them, stole

the hallowed framed photo of James Joyce that has hung in Vesuvio

since 1948. $500 reward..."

Be on your toes for suspicious looking yuppies with old photos.

Or without them, for that matter. If you have any hot leads, the

Vesuvio Cafe is located on 255 Columbus in S.F. and the phone

is (415) 362-3370.

Your watchdog in Berkeley CA

Dan Schiff

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From: "Gregory J. Conroy" <gconroy@SIUE.EDU>

Subject: Uncle Bill

At 9:28 AM 2/22/96, M D Fascione wrote:

>I've also heard that he covered an R.E.M. tune-- Star Me Kitten,

>for an episode of The X Files.

> ..Critter

I'm new to this list, so this may have been mentioned earlier, but, in the

used racks at a vintage record store in St. Louis, I've seen a Laurie

Anderson (oh, she of the

performance-art-let's-make-this-as-obscurely-weird-as-I-can) album from the

early 1980s, I believe, that features Uncle Bill.

Although I'm fascinated by Anderson, I was flat broke at the time and

couldn't pick it up....when I went back a few weeks later, it was

gone....The album jacket was fairly third stream, so I guess it lives up to

Anderson form.....

Gregory J. Conroy

University News Services

Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville

"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."

-- Dizzy Dean explaining how he felt after being hit

on the head by a ball in the 1934 World Series

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From: Perry Lindstrom <LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>

Subject: Rebel Poets

Howard Park and I are over half way through the 8 week class on Rebel Poets

of the 1950s, which is being taught in conjunction with the exhibit by the

same name that people have mentioned. For the last class we are going to

get a personal tour of the exhibit from one of the museum curators. I can't

speak for Howard but I am enjoying the class. The attendance has dwindled

somewhat and I get the feeling that people have had less exposure to the

poets we are now studying -- Black Mountain -- than to the others, but that

is probably to be expected since the Beats tended to be the super stars.

By the way has anyone experienced the CR-Rom narrated by Burroughs entitled

"The Dark Eye?" I have a new computer with a CD-Rom drive so I have been

looking for interesting titles but hadn't read a review of that one so didn't

pick it up -- several Poe stories put to a game format I presume. I have

Myst which is interesting, but would prefer something with more of a literary

flavor.

Perry Lindstrom

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:56:48 GMT

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

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Subject: Uncle Bill

I believe the album you're thinking of is *You're the Guy I Want to Share My

Money With." It is on CD from Giorno Poetry Systems(1981). It has sections by

Burroughs, Anderson and John Giorno. Also this reminds me of seeing Burroughs

in Anderson's movie, *Home of the Brave*.

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

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Subject: Beat bookworm

But it's not an either/or thing, it's both/and -- the books and recordings go

hand in hand. Art, literature, music -- it's all connected.

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From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

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Subject: Kerouac Dream

Last night I had a dream with Kerouac in it. We were at a party and I wanted

to talk with him but he was drunk and sullen. Finally he said if I would go

out and get him some more beer he would talk with me. So my 8-year-old son

and I went out to get the beer. For some reason I let my son handle the

transaction and he bought only one bottle of beer and two gatorades. (We were

in Mexico or "someplace" where there was no problem about a kid buying beer.)

When we got back Kerouac was not happy about only one beer but decided he

would mix the gatorade with vodka. He still didn't want to talk but then I

leaned by the doorway (the holy doorway?) and heard him talking to another

guy. He was very gentle and sympathetic. The drunkenness and sullenness had

all been an act. His voice was beautiful, way more gentle and sympathetic

than on the recordings I've heard. Can't remember exactly what he said (too

bad) but it was a wonderful flow of words.

So just another crazy Kerouacian dream. I have been rereading *Dr. Sax*.

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From: CLAY VAUGHAN <CLV100U@MOZART.FPA.ODU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Uncle Bill

Comments: To: "Gregory J. Conroy" <gconroy@SIUE.EDU>,

"BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@oduvm.cc.odu.edu>

> I'm new to this list, so this may have been mentioned earlier, but, in the

> used racks at a vintage record store in St. Louis, I've seen a Laurie

> Anderson (oh, she of the

> performance-art-let's-make-this-as-obscurely-weird-as-I-can) album from the

> early 1980s, I believe, that features Uncle Bill.

It was probably YOU'RE THE GUY I WANT TO SHARE MY MONEY WITH,

the trio of Laurie Anderson, Bill Burroughs and John Giorno. It's a

great set.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:22:37 -0800

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From: "bs@UBC" <sbent@UNIXG.UBC.CA>

Subject: Re: Uncle Bill

In-Reply-To: <1EC8C7B4A47@mozart.fpa.odu.edu>

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, CLAY VAUGHAN wrote:

> > I'm new to this list, so this may have been mentioned earlier, but, in the

> > used racks at a vintage record store in St. Louis, I've seen a Laurie

> > Anderson (oh, she of the

> > performance-art-let's-make-this-as-obscurely-weird-as-I-can) album from the

> > early 1980s, I believe, that features Uncle Bill.

> It was probably YOU'RE THE GUY I WANT TO SHARE MY MONEY WITH,

> the trio of Laurie Anderson, Bill Burroughs and John Giorno. It's a

> great set.

Isn't it more likely to be "Mister Heartbreak", since the original

poster specifically says it's a Laurie Anderson album. It was released

in 1984, and features Bill B. on "Sharkey's Night".

BTW, there are many other John Giorno Poetry Systems records out there.

For a WSB discography, check

http://www.hyperreal.com/wsb/wsbrecs.html

or mail me for a copy if you're web-impaired....

Regards,

Bent Sorensen

Visiting Grad. Student, Dept. of English, UBC

Ph.D. Student, Aalborg University, Denmark

<http://hum.auc.dk/i12/org/medarb/bent.dk> OR <.../bent.uk>

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:34:45 -0500

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From: Julie Hulvey <JHulvey@AOL.COM>

Subject: Ta' wil and Burroughs Dream

I am digging mightily people's previously posted dream encounters with brief

writers. To me, they are worth as much or more than a conscious

opinion (in a slightly different way, of course). There is a school of dream

interpretation (and poetics) that draws much from the concept of ta'wil:

which as far as my present understanding goes, means to take a dream symbol

or character back to its mythological source . For instance, if I dream of

my friend, I am not dreaming of my friend but of Hades (say) masquerading,

for the dream's purposes, as my friend. I bring this up because I wonder

what entities might choose to represent themselves by the beat writers.

Cassady surely Mercury... got any ideas?

Anyhoo, here's a dream I had about Burroughs several years ago.

I was sitting by a roadside, painting a picture using heavy impasto and

pallette knives. Up strolls Burroughs, as he looked then in real life. He

checks out the painting then goes on down the road. I am so startled I drop

my painting. Just like the proverbial peanut butter sandwich, it lands gooey

side down. Its ruined. So I start building up a head of steam about

Burroughs ruining my painting. I decide to confront him about it. My

enquiries lead me to a cabana at rundown motel at the edge of town.

I knock on his door. Burroughs answers all right, but instead of the older

Burroughs it's the man as he looked in the 50's. He's wearing a sleeveless

undershirt and baggy pants. So I'm completely disarmed and forget about being

mad, because this younger Burroughs could not have ruined my painting. He

asks me what I want and I ask him if we can talk about writing. We sit down

at this old beat picnic table and talk casually about it

for what seems like a long time.

Jules

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:18:31 -0500

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From: Julie Hulvey <JHulvey@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Ta' wil and Burroughs Dream

In a message dated 96-02-23 20:58:06 EST, I write:

> am digging mightily people's previously posted dream encounters with >brief

writers...

hmm...I wouldn't touch this freudian slip with any size pole. though maybe it

just stems from my reading more poetry than prose these days...

Julie

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:50:23 -0500

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From: Dan Lauffer <DanLauff@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Contact

Several CONTACTS in the past. Fabled one from Paris in '30s. The one you

have was from Sausalito. Ed. Evan S. Connell (Mrs. Bridge, Morning Star).

Not that much Beat stuff compared to others such as Evergreen Review, Big

Table or Floating Bear. Don't know abt current prices.

yrs

Dan Lauffer

<<I'm with you in Rockland>>

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:09:30 -0500

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From: Dan Lauffer <DanLauff@AOL.COM>

Subject: Nowheresville

Nowheresville- a Beat-oriented comic from CALIBER is beginning a 4 issue

mini-series. The comic features Chic and Queeg, who writer Mark Ricketts

describes as being the thoughtful (Jack) and prankster (Neal) side of the

Beats. They are involved with Chic's former lover "Catherine DiPrima" who

may have framed Chic for a murder. The first issue captured the look and

feel of the 50's and 60's from berets and bongos to jazz record covers.

You'll have to go to a comic store to order it. A rarified taste for the

superhero crowd. Recommended.

Dan Lauffer

<<I'm with you in Rockland>>

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:50:38 -0700

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From: Thomas J Stevens <teij@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU>

Subject: Re: An afterthought... (fwd)

Thom

---------------------------------

There is nothing more

innately human

than the tendency to transmute what has become

customary

into what has been

divinely ordained.

-Suzanne Lafollette

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 09:30:07 -0500 (EST)

From: Linda <REDTAPE@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>

To: Thomas J Stevens <teij@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU>

Subject: Re: An afterthought...

RE: the role of the beatniks - you can take your pick, depending

on your preference for music or poetry - that is a six of one,

half a dozen of the other type choice as poetry and lyrics

in songs are not that far apart. In music the beatniks of the

1950s, particularly in Greenich Village in New York began and

pursued improvisational sound in rock - drawing on jazz

of course. In poetry and novels I am most familiar with the

San Francisco scene, Jack K, Lawrence Ferlinghetti . . . I still

have two of Ferlinghetti's poetry volumes - A Coney Island of the

Mind and Starting from San Francisco. As an active member of the

"avant-guard" literary community in San Francisco, he and many

others inititated the new San Francisco cultural scene beginning in

the mid fo late 1950s. City LIghts bookstore became a mecca for

folks into that aspect of the cultural revolution. I do recall

making my way there - but not until the summer of 1971 when I was

working on a tactile art exhibit, the Tactile Dome at the Exploratorium,

another aspect of the things coming down then. (The Tactile Dome

I built to last a year - and such a good construction engineer was

I that it is still in operation today. YES. Not to brag, just to

recall some experiences that help me develop confidence in myself.)

That same San Francisco scene later gave birth to significant

music groups, my favorite, the Jefferson Airplane, and the Grateful

Dead - are you a Dead Head? And of course in the mid to late 60s

San Francisco became the west coast center for the Flower Children,

"free sex" in the post birth control pill era before we knew sex

could be deadly, and all sorts of drug culture stuff - grass, acid,

hash, and speed (KILLS).

Complimenting and building on the City Lights scene of the 1950s,

UC Berkeley, across the Bay, became THE center of what was known as

the Free Speech movement, the first of the major college campus

movements, long preceding the anti war movement. The Free Speech

movement, which I believe dates to 1961, countered (counter culture

come from that word) contested the mores of the 1950s, bringing words

like fuck into public rhetoric. As I understand it, using the word

fuck in public could get one arrested! Anyway, that movement merged

as the issues changed from free speech to antiwar. And Berkeley was

a major site of the west coast antiwar movement. By the mid to late

sixties because of less than peaceful demonstrations in Berkeley

and along the main drag - Telegraph Avenue - "establishment"

institutions, such as the Bank of America, bricked up all the

street front windows so they wouldn't be broken again. That added

to a "siege mentality" mood and to the increasing "generation gap."

Now, as for researcing on the internet, if you have access to NETSCAPE,

you can to some keyword searching. Probably the best driver would

be through LYCOS. I don't know how sophisticated your library is,

ours is out on the frontiers of all this stuff. This week and next

I am having our history bibliographer in the library introduce my

students to the internet and how to use the various search engines.

We do three hands on sessions. I don't have any documentation on

all this, but I will see what I might find and send you any http

or www sites that I think might have some relevant material for

you. Likely, through some American Studies and Popular Culture

stuff there will be some pertinent material. Also, if your

library has the Humanities Index on CD-ROM you can search through

citations for relevant articles in AS and PC journals. There is

a lot of material that has been written. I can't just pull those

citations out of my head, though, as I am a Mexican not US

historian. I'll see what I can come up with to get you started.

Later, dear,

LInda

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:29:59 -0500

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From: Nicholas Herren <NPH002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

Subject: Re: Books

In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:07:46 -0500"

<960221180739_428349526@emout05.mail.aol.com>

Personally I am sick of people slaming the young generation. You don't know

our life and you don't understand. But none of that really matters. What

is important is that you realize when you say something about the whole

population in general you are making a fool of yourself.

>How many people out there have read any books by the Beats besides On the

>Road or Naked Lunch?

If a person has not read the Beat Generation Stuff they ought to get the fuck

off this server so people can really discuss the literature or they ought

to get a pair of glasses and start reading something. It ain't so hard.

What you do is you sit down with a book and roll your eyes across the pages

being careful to understand what the sentences mean. It's not so hard. I

read Dharma Bums, Subterraneans, Big Sur, Tristessa, On the Road, Off the Road,

Vanity of Dulouz, Go, The First Third, Town and the City, Walden, etc etc

in three months. So far I have yet to discuss any of this stuff of the server

tho since everyone is caught up in telling other people what to do instead

of arguing some point.

And as far as to the argument of why the Generation X (what ever the HELL

that ever means) hasn't done anything, I would say it's because of these

DAMN FUCKING COMPUTERS ALL THE OTHER GENERATIONS INVENTED!!

Nick.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:31:49 -0600

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From: Dan Terkla <terkla@TITAN.IWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Books

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.iwu.edu>

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First, let me say that I agree with Nicholas Herren about the dangers of

typing a generation. Such thinking can lead to all sorts of nasty

outcomes and gets none of us anywhere.

Second, let me suggest that he back off, exercise a bit

of netiquette and be a bit more accepting of those without his vast

knowledge of Beat literature and culture. I, too, am often disappointed

with the quality of discussion on this list and with some of the topics

posted. I have a "delete" key, which I use at those times. I suggest that

Nicholas Herren do the same and save the self-righteous, petulant

flaming. It does nothing but foster division and exclusion.

Dan Terkla

English House

Illinois Wesleyan University

Bloominton, IL 61702

terkla@titan.iwu.edu

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:16:29 -0500

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From: "Gary M. Gillman" <garyg@INFORAMP.NET>

Subject: Six Gallery Reading

It seems to me that a very worthy tribute to beat literature and the

considerable, enduring social impact of beat culture would be to make a

film, or launch a theatrical production, of the famous Six Poets at the Six

Gallery reading which took place just over 40 years ago in San Francisco. If

done right as a film, this could be our Il Postino (only much more

significant, with all due respect for that excellent film). Certainly, while

Allen Ginsberg, McClure, Snyder and many other original participants are

still living, such a project could benefit from their invaluable advice and

support. Does anyone agree that this would be a most worthwile project to

launch? Perhaps NYU would be a natural choice to get such project started,

or the State University of New Nork at Buffalo - any thoughts?

Gary M. Gillman

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:00:15 -0500

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Books and Bantering

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>If a person has not read the Beat Generation Stuff they ought to get the

fuck

>off this server so people can really discuss the literature or they ought

>to get a pair of glasses and start reading something.

Wow.. so much for wanting to learn from others with similar interests.

Should we not discuss the poetry since it wasn't on the list? I'm not much

of a novel reader, most of my interests tend to side with poetry and

plays and I haven't heard much about them either. Usually I blame that

on myself though being that I haven't brought up the topic.

>Nick.

and now, back to our show. Critter

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From: Brynjar Agnarsson <brynjar@EASYNET.CO.UK>

Subject: WSB CARTOON

Finally my cue to make a contribution to this list, after being a subscriber

for close to three weeks now, instead of just enjoying to read other's

people contributions.

Recently someone was asking about a cartoon of Ah Pook and I've been looking

for it which took me a long time as I tape a lot of stuff like this of TV as

I'm a film student in the hope that it'll come in useful one day.

Anyways, the said cartoon was shown on Channel 4 in England as part of a

documentary on the UK animation scene and was called Fourmations: 3D or not 3D.

There was an interview with the fimmaker, Phil Hunt, beforehand and he was

talking about how different reading Burroughs is from hearing el hombre

invisible reading his works aloud, a mesmorising experience he called it.

Well it inspired him to make this surreal piece of art with the soundtrack

of Burroughs reading from Ah Pook and Interzone.

Brynjar

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:12:21 -0500

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From: Megan Milard <Sixgallery@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Gallery Six

the correct name is six gallery. A lot of the confusion is due to one of the

beats--and i can't remember who off the top of my head--(I'm thinking

kerouac) who referred to the site as gallery six in either a book or poem.

It was probably for legal reasons but I'm not positive on that either.

megan

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:16:37 -0500

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From: Ben Moore <ARoadToad@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Gallery Six Reading

>Gary M. Gillman wrote:

>It seems to me that a very worthy tribute to beat literature and the