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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 21:29:36 -0400

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Rolling Stone [OFF TOPIC NON-BEAT]

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[WARNING: OFF-TOPIC]

 

On Thu, 8 May 1997, Matthew S Sackmann wrote:

 

> Is U2 on the cover?  If this is true than i think i will never again have

> the love for U2 that I did.

 

If this bit of crass capitalism gets you mad, then you should look into what

they did to the people in the band Negativland -- it'll _really_ get you

going.

 

In brief: Negativland once made a very excellent album called _U2_, sampling

bits of their "Where the streets have no name" song (interspersed with true

recordings of Casey Kasem swearing and insulting the callers of his American

Top 40 radio show -- off-air, of course). It's a great song, but of course

U2 brought their iron hammer down on the band, causing them all sorts of

grief, including an incredible amount of debt. And, of course, they ordered

(and succeeded) in recalling the record, though you can still find copies

out there. But they seriously destroyed the lives of the people in that band.

 

In interviews & other public spots, several times during this time period

(including interviews in that trash of a rag _Rolling Stone_), the members

of U2 said that they loved the idea of "sampling" and encouraged others to

do that with their own work (this was around the "Zoo TV" time, when during

live concerts Bono & co. made a point of continuous sampling of others'

work, by rebroadcasting a satellite tv feed onstage and randomly flipping

through stations). Figuring, of course, that most people reading a U2

interview for content would not know about the plight of Negativland, much

less have ever even heard of them. I think their gratutious blather on and

on about how much they "supported" sampling is what made this whole event so

perverse in my eyes -- it made Bono and friends look like the depraved

protagonist of Bret Easton Ellis' _American Psycho_, playing in his own

scat. Anyway, you can check out Negativland's stuff out at

http://www.negativland.com -- yeah they're still around, and doing well.

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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 19:30:30 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      flapjack interlude

 

To maybe understand more go to

 

http://www.onestep.com/writers/short/gallaher/short.html

 

Shortstack Lightening Champeen Pancake Eater

 

 

>From: Will Russell <wrussell@nature.Berkeley.EDU>

>Subject: Re: Hi Tim

>To: gallaher@hsc.usc.edu (Timothy K. Gallaher)

>Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:15:24 -0700 (PDT)

>MIME-Version: 1.0

>

>Timothy, The great Flapjack on skid row hittin' the coffee hard, bit bad

>by the caffein bug was visited by the late Ezikiel O'Mally in a dream.

>And in that dream O'Mally spoke of a train, a slow train that was

>a'comin' carrying on it a special cargo."Where's that train bound? I don't

>know," said a voice in the dream, but he knew it was bound for Glory.

>Glory Tennessee, that is, where the most infamous eater of pancakes now

>resides in a penthouse suite at the top of the tallest of the tallest

>swanky apartment buildings in the state, all four hundred pounds of him

>resting up there in comfort, Shortstack Lightning, who let fame and the

>pancakes of the rich change him from a decent country boy

>into..into..a..Monster! Flapjack woke from his dream in a sweat, and

>rubbed his swollen coffee ruined stomach.  I was the best once, the

>greatest pancake eater in the United States, maybe the world. The kids now

>the were fast, it was true.  With all that special training equipment and

>designer pancake eating drugs.  But where was the heart.  "They got no

>heart."  He croaked outloud to noone in particular.  Maybe, just maybe he

>could kick the coffee.  Maybe, just one more time he could drag himself

>out of retirement and sit at that big table one more time.  Maybe, just

>maybe old Flapjack was gonna sit down and eat him some pancakes.

>

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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 22:48:28 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Intro; Wm S Burroughs

 

In a message dated 97-05-08 21:39:03 EDT, you write:

 

<< Zach, your e-mail address while amusing at least doesn't allow

 communication from the Kansas vortex.

 welcome to the list.  i had a longer welcome via backchannel but i think

 it is off somewhere in the wiring of things now.

 >>

 

Are whole gobs missing?  I'll have to check the Burroughs site out. Maybe

write something about the last supper I had with him and Ginsberg. Both

proper gentlemen. Appearing to clean up their act. Shaking hands with babies.

Reciting Shakespeare. Checking out the .38 Special. Rolling a joint. Roasting

lamb chops. Fiddling with a hand painted tie. Ginsberg tidying up the

kitchen. Washing dishes in a tie. Oh my. The sobbing Vortex howls.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 22:49:16 -0400

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From:         Bill Philibin <deadbeat@BUFFNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Rolling Stone [OFF TOPIC NON-BEAT]

 

> > Is U2 on the cover?  If this is true than i think i will never again

have

> > the love for U2 that I did.

>

> If this bit of crass capitalism gets you mad, then you should look into

what

> they did to the people in the band Negativland -- it'll _really_ get you

> going.

 

 

        From what I have heard about the whole Negativeland thing...  And this is

second hand information so take it however you will...  But I heard that

that was all out of the bands control.  That U2 was impressed with the NL

cd, but that their record company took it upon themselves to file action.

 

        Like I said, I don't know how trur this, but I do know that bands have

relatively little to say about what their record companies do...  Even with

what songs are on cds.  This _could_ be the case with both of these

incidents.  But then again...  U2 could just have gotten way too big for

their heads...

 

        -Bill

 

[  email: deadbeat@buffnet.net  |  web: http://www.buffnet.net/~deadbeat  ]

|"A good question is never answered.  It is not a bolt to be tightened

| into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the

| hope of greening the landscape of idea."

|

|                                                       -- John Ciardi

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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 21:08:10 -0600

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From:         "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject:      Re: Rolling Stone [OFF TOPIC NON-BEAT]

In-Reply-To:  <9705082255.aa22724@buffnet1.buffnet.net>

 

and one more comment about thhe U2 / ginsberg / neativeland... to bring

all this full circle Ginsberg was featured in a U2 special about the

making of their current tur a few backs on much (recorded before that

obviously). Ginsberg was shown reciting one of U2 songs from their latest

cd. (i think it "miami" off of _pop_)

yrs

derek

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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 22:14:34 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Intro; Wm S Burroughs

 

Pamela Beach Plymell wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-05-08 21:39:03 EDT, you write:

>

> << Zach, your e-mail address while amusing at least doesn't allow

>  communication from the Kansas vortex.

>  welcome to the list.  i had a longer welcome via backchannel but i think

>  it is off somewhere in the wiring of things now.

>  >>

>

> Are whole gobs missing?  I'll have to check the Burroughs site out. Maybe

> write something about the last supper I had with him and Ginsberg. Both

> proper gentlemen. Appearing to clean up their act. Shaking hands with babies.

> Reciting Shakespeare. Checking out the .38 Special. Rolling a joint. Roasting

> lamb chops. Fiddling with a hand painted tie. Ginsberg tidying up the

> kitchen. Washing dishes in a tie. Oh my. The sobbing Vortex howls.

> Charles Plymell

 

were you in tie and shaking babies with 38s in hand as well ?

 

david rhaesa

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From:         Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ann Charters Interview

 

Thanks for the interest in helping, Charles...  I believe it is issue # 24,

Spring 1996.  Hopefuly, you'll have it.

 

BTW, I hope I'm not coming off as too much of a hard ass to you or anyone

else with some of my more recent posts.  I'm just extremely concerned with

some of the rhetoric and innuendo that's been offered as "proof" of what is

really going on with the estate situation, hence my desire to dig a little

deeper.

 

Jerry Cimino

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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 21:23:26 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: It's a Small World, After All

 

Linda,

 

The shows title aroused my curiousity--what's it about.

 

J Stauffer

 

Linda Highland wrote:

>

> Were members of this list at the "Velvet Years" opening at the

> Photogaphiuc Resource Center  in Boston this evening,

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Date:         Thu, 8 May 1997 21:39:02 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Jack's Intentions

 

Jerry,

 

l admire your persistence in trying to get at the truth in this muddle.

I still have to agree with Leon's original statement on this.  Clearly

Jack didn't do this right, but what he did do has to really be the

determining factor.  If the will is forged, Gerry and his forces are

clearly right.  If the will isn't, as I read these posts the material is

the legal property of the folks currently controlling it.  They may not

make the decisions that we would like, but they are free to make their

own bad choices.  Ultimately, as Leon points out, it goes back to Jack

at least as much as any other evil characters here.  As badly as Jack

treated his daughter it is hard to straighten out his mistakes for him.

I don't have any evidence, and am just going to count on the system

(desperate thought) to sort out smoking guns from smoke and mirrors.

 

In reference to Gerry's post, apparantly my source referenced the wrong

Jack Kerouac warrant as the one Jan sold, but the point is the same.

Gerry says the warrant isn't important, a copy will do fine.  How is

this different than asserting that the original texts aren't important,

scholars can do just as well with copies?  I guess I'm missing something

here.  We also hear that it is wrong to keep letters from being

published, presumably so as not to affect living people, as in the

example dealing with Whalen's personal life.  I agree, I'm all for full

disclosure, but holding this stuff back until the participants are gone

is, or has been, a fairly standard practice, whether I like it or not.

 

And I keep swearing I won't enter this quagmire.

 

J Stauffer

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 05:22:54 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      CORNIX applet

Comments: To: stutz@dsl.org, mike@buchenroth.com, pscalia@nh.ultranet.com,

          blove@wylieagency.com, Jwhite333@aol.com, stand666@bitstream.net,

          pottsca@wwics.com, McSnake10@aol.com, goblin@sonic.net,

          rbove@duke.poly.edu, Seward23@aol.com, ChloieA@aol.com,

          Donkennis@aol.com, rayl@wsuhub.twsu.edu, roxie@clark.net,

          "jefferya.beach" <gyaltsen@earthlink.net>,

          Waterrow@aol.com, KeroConnec.@aol.com, stauffer@pacbell.net,

          judy.logan.ace@artsfb.org.uk, "donaldg.jr.lee" <donlee@comp.uark.edu>

 

Dear Mike:

I checked the flashing words through the computers at school, and my director

ordered a program for the writing lab.  I'm very interested in the effects.

It shows the mind can assimilate words faster than we speak and also shows

that our former "mind chunk" teaching pedagogy may not be including a more

digital generation that is reading city signs flashing neon roads, stop

lights, directions, etc.

 

I set some students in front of it. One with obvious language difficulties

could interpret the message easier, one was afraid of its strobe like effect

and made her uncomfortable. My director, I think, was interested when I said

it calmed me down. Possibly it may be a good device instead of Ritlin for

younger kids. I see a lot of what I call borderline disability in accessing

language that frustrates especially as a group, young men. I'm posting

Buchenroth to see if he can work one of my bebop poems through the word flash

at about 450rpm. He is building an incredible site for me. Do you have any

further advice or developments or ideas. Please contact me

(pam@cherryvalley.com) and check out Michael's site. He has posted my

autobiography and my reefer madness essay and the announcement of my new book

Robbing the Pillars for Gen. X in the Age of Apostasy.

(www.buchenroth.com/cplymell.html

Charles Plymell

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From:         Nancy Johns <muzik@LCP-YODA.COM>

Subject:      Patti Smith Concert Posters

 

Would you like to be notified when I have some Patti

Smith concert posters, records and/or memorabilia for sale?

          Please reply to muzik@lcp-yoda.com

           Thanks And Have A Wonderful Day!

                               Nancy

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From:         Linda Highland <lrgh@WEBTV.NET>

Subject:      Re: Rolling Stone [OFF TOPIC NON-BEAT]

 

Re:why U-2 or their agents may feel publicity is imperative--according

to this week's Newsweek, their TV Special (recent, I infer) was the

lowest rated show ever.

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 08:33:28 -0400

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From:         Linda Highland <lrgh@WEBTV.NET>

Subject:      Re: It's a Small World, After All

 

For James and anyone else who puzzled over my somewhat cryptic mention

of the Velvet years:

The Velvet Years is an exhibit of photos taken by Steven Shore in Andy

Warhol's factory around the time the Velvet Underground were still part

of it.  The gentlemen discusing  Beat-list type subjects were standing

in this area.  However, a concurrent show was running called "Extended

Play-Between a Rock and a Hard Place", which was art work from various

mucisians--Patti Smith, Kim Gordon, Lou Reed, Willie Alexander, Fred

Frith,  and others.  This exhibit included a couple stills from Pull My

Daisy and a rather wonderful shot of Keroauc listening to himself on the

radio.  Unfortunately, I do not remember off hand the musican

photographers of these particular works, though I suspect it was John

Cohen.......

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From:         Tracy J Neumann <tjneuman@UMICH.EDU>

Subject:      Ginsberg Memorial

In-Reply-To:  <199705091233.FAA06254@mailtod-102.bryant.webtv.net>

 

For anyone who's interested, there will be a memorial service and concert

in Ann Arbor on May 24th in honor of Allen Ginsberg.  Patti Smith and

Natalie merchant are playing and i think Anne Waldman is

speaking...There's also some sort of poetry

contest.  As usual, tickets are available through Ticketmaster (does this

seem weird to anyone else??)

 

Tracy

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 10:32:12 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

>Dear James:   May 8, 1997

>

>        Will my "backchannel" opponents never tire of mudslinging?

 

GERRY I THINK WE ON THE LIST HAVE SEEN YOU DO YOUR SHARE OF MUDSLINGING

 

>        (I guess it's easier than answering why John Sampas isn't putting

>the Kerouac archive in a library.)

 

GERRY YOU KNOW QUITE WELL THAT JOHN SAMPAS HAS PLACED (THROUGH HIS DEALER)

MANY KEROUAC ITEMS IN THE BERG COLLECTION OF THE NY PUBLIC LIBRARY> WHY ARE

YOU HIDING THIS KIND OF STUFF FROM THE BEAT-L LIST? HERE IS A LETTER THAT

WAS SENT TO THE EDITOR OF THE LOWELL SUN FROM RODNEY PHILLIPS ASSOCIATE.

DIRECTOR OF HUMANITIES AND SOCIAL SCIENCES AT THE BERG. Here Goes:

 

THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY

The Research Libraries-Fifth Avenue and 42 Street, New York 10018-2788

 

 

The Sun                                                June 17,1994

Lowell, Massachusetts 01800

 

Dear Editors:

 

        In an effort to counteract the misinformation and disinformation

promulgated

concerning the New York Public Library and the papers of Jack Kerouac, I

must take issue with the letter to the editor written by Gerald Nicosia that

appeared in the June 12 issue of the Sun. Simply stated, as reported, Mr.

Nicosia misconstrued my remarks.

        To begin with, I did not, nor would I ever describe the New York

Public Library's collection of Jack Kerouac manuscripts as "a few". The Berg

collection of English and American Literature has purchased nine major

manuscripts, including Beat Generation (a play), Book of Dreams,Book of

sketches, Lucien Midnight,Maggie Cassady, Mexico City Blues, Passing

Through, Satori in Paris, and Some of the Dharma.

        Although these manuscripts were purchased primarily from one rare

book and manuscript dealer, it has always been clear to the library that

these manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac as

represented by John Sampas. Furthermore,it has been similarly clear that Mr.

Sampas would "like" all the Kerouac papers to come to The New York Public

Library.

        The New York Public Library has signed a legal deposit agreement

with Mr. Sampas to temporarily store the manuscript scroll of On the Road

for safekeeping in the Library's secure, climate-controlled storage areas. I

have never characterized this as "simply holding the scroll manuscript"

Although the library has no plans to physically conserve the scroll since it

does not belong to us, it should be noted that we plan to commission a

conservation survey of it. While I told Mr. Nicosia that the library could

never hope to own the scroll if it's asking price was truly one million

dollars, I must add that I have never been told the scroll's asking price by

anyone except Mr. Nicosia.

        I hope this will clear up some of the inaccuracies and ambiguities

in Mr. Nicosia's account of his conversation with me.

 

                                                Sincerely,

                                                Rodney Phillips

                                                Associate Director,

                                                Humanities & Social Sciences

 

 

Are you going to try and tell us on the list that you have never read this

letter? I have asked you nicely to stop trashing the volunteers of Lowell

Celebrates Kerouac but instead you continue to promulgate untruths such as:

 

"The only thing I left out is that federal funding was cut from the

Lowell Kerouac Committee after complaints were made to the National Park

Service about the partisan use of funding for past Kerouac events.  Even the

National Park Service doesn't think your committee deserves funding any

more--so why should I fund it?

 

This is totally untrue Lowell Celebrates Kerouac ended their relationship

with the National Park Service because in return for their support they

wanted to dictate our program (like most government agencies). We chose to

retain our independence. WE MADE THAT DECISION GERRY NOT THEM. We continue

to have an amicable, but unofficial relationship with them.

 

        "Tell Sampas to get on here himself, so we can stop running around

in circles and get to the heart of the matter.

 

You know damn well John Sampas is not going to come on this list and argue

with you.

Quite frankly he couldn't be bothered with someone he considers a slanderer.

 

"The problem is, my archive has been closed to the public.  This

happened about two years ago, after John Sampas went to speak with the

librarian, to complain that the public should not have access to this

material without his permission."

 

You know this isn't true you have talked to Martha Mayo. The archive isn't

"closed" and it had nothing to do with John Sampas. I explained what

happened in a previous post.

 

Gerry I will ask you again please keep your beef with Sampas private and

don't try to hurt people who work hard to promote Kerouac in his own

hometown such as the people of Lowell Celebrates Kerouac.

 

Again Gerry you must know of the numerous items placed in the Berg

Collection by John Sampas. Why do you try to hide these facts. I bet you

could even get a list if you tried but that wouldn't serve your cause would

it Gerry? Phil Chaput

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>        Jan Kerouac did not sell the Lucien Carr material witness warrant.

>        Jan sold the warrant (belonging to her mother) which sought Jack

>Kerouac to pay child support.  It was given her by her mother.  She made

>several copies of it before she sold it.  It is not the kind of document

>which is important for scholars who are studying the composition process of

>Jack Kerouac.  I will place a copy on deposit in the Bancroft Library, along

>with Jan's whole archive, if John Lash ever lets me.

>        Jan sold it because she needed the money to bring Paul Blake Jr.'s

>son, young Paul III, to speak in his father's place in New York, at a press

>conference announcing the filing of her Florida lawsuit in 1994.  It was

>important for someone to represent Blake's point of view there.

>        The person who bought the warrant, as I understand it, was John

>Sampas's lawyer, GEORGE TOBIA.  Since then, the Sampases have used that fact

>to claim, over and over, that Jan would simply sell off Jack Kerouac's whole

>archive piecemeal if she got the same chance.

>        Neither Mr. Tobia nor Mr. Sampas could have been too interested in

>the actual warrant if they never even bothered to read it.  In any case, we

>can rest assured that it's in good hands.

>        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

>

>

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 08:01:12 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: CORNIX applet

 

Charley,

 

I'll be very interested to see what you do with this.

 

I looked at the Cornix site and was fascinated, despite it being rather

to much for my screen and my computers brain power.  My first sense was

that it would be limiting for poetry because I would miss the sense of

rythm in the line and the stanza.  I supose, however, that one  could

find ways to use rythm in the way the words flash.  Great potential for

a lot of things, and I think you sense of possible value for kids with

reading problems of whatever attention deficit etc is is really

interesting.

 

James

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 08:03:48 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Velvet Era

 

Linda,

 

Suspected a Velvet Underground thing.  Sounds like a couple of

interesting shows.

 

J Stauffer

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 10:26:41 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: CORNIX applet

 

James Stauffer wrote:

>

> Charley,

>

> I'll be very interested to see what you do with this.

>

> I looked at the Cornix site and was fascinated, despite it being rather

> to much for my screen and my computers brain power.  My first sense was

> that it would be limiting for poetry because I would miss the sense of

> rythm in the line and the stanza.  I supose, however, that one  could

> find ways to use rythm in the way the words flash.  Great potential for

> a lot of things, and I think you sense of possible value for kids with

> reading problems of whatever attention deficit etc is is really

> interesting.

>

> James

 

I have a step-sister with ADD and she is much more of a visual learner.

i really think it could help her and others with the illness.

 

as for the rhythm hmmm.m.m.m, i ain't got none anyway !?!?!?!?!

 

i tried it out.  i was thinking, how long would it take me to read all

of the folks that my illiterate nature means i should read.  it seems

like a great device.

 

the question of course is getting works in public domain or at least

educational use texts so that they can be incorporated with the

technology.  my hunch is that it will become something of a hurdle....

 

david rhaesa

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From:         Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject:      New JK books for Fall

 

This week's Publishers Weekly has an article about Jack and publication.

Viking Penguin are publishing a 40th anniversary edition of OTR (which

currently sells 60,000 copies a year) complete with the Millstein NYTBR

review that hailed its publication as a 'historic occasion'.  Additionally,

a marathon commemorative reading series will be held along the original

route taken in OTR, and there'll be a major Authors Guild fundraising event

featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR

chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)

 

ALSO Viking are bringing out "SOME OF THE DHARMA", described as "An in-depth

study of Buddhism that Kerouac completed in 1956 but could not find a

publisher for". It was originally intended as notes for AG, bt grew to

become "an expansion of his famous spontaneous prose methold, and includes

prayers, poems, haikus, meditations, conversations and stories printed and

arranged into intricate patterns and shapes"

 

re the estate ... the PW article says the following. (Disclaimer - *I* am

not saying this, don't flame me)

 

"After Kerouac's death, rights to his works were owned by his widow, Stella,

wh refused to release any unpublished work. After Stella dies in 1989, John

Sampa, executor of Kerouac's estate, and Lord {the agent Sterling Lord, JK's

original agent, I think? NWW} sold to Viking all of Kerouac's unpublished

materials."

 

 

This suggests to me that, as I suggested last week, the publication of

unreleased material is being controlled not by the estate as such, but as

business decisions by the publisher. But i didn't know that 'all' the

unpublished material had been sold - so presumably the estate has a mighty

big advance for that already tucked away. It's hard to believe that Sterling

Lord could really have allowed seven JK books to go into public domain (I'm

not being antagonisitic, Gerry or disbelieving, it's just such a basic mistake)

 

Anyhow, start saving up for Fall. The big guys are after your hard-earned...

 

 

Nick

 

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From:         Thomas Harberd <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: Intro; Wm S Burroughs -Reply

 

Burroughs is great, obviously.

It's just a shame that his "best" (INHO) books are his least

well known ones: Western Lands and Ghost of Chance.

I'm going to be doing a course on the Beats next year - it

seems odd that the Burroughs work on the reading list is

"Naked Lunch", which is carefully calculated to put anyone

off unless they're particularly determined.

 

Tom. H.

"A Bear of Very Little Brain"

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: CORNIX applet

Comments: To: CVEditions@aol.com

Comments: cc: mike@buchenroth.com, pscalia@nh.ultranet.com,

          blove@wylieagency.com, Jwhite333@aol.com, stand666@bitstream.net,

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          "jefferya.beach" <gyaltsen@earthlink.net>,

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In-Reply-To:  <970508231213_874932446@emout18.mail.aol.com>

 

Charles--

 

> I checked the flashing words through the computers at school, and my director

> ordered a program for the writing lab.  I'm very interested in the effects.

 

Great, isn't it? I like to think of it as bringing the qualities of speech

or a movie to the written word -- the Word is usually looked at as a huge

"chunk" of data, but really when you make use of the Word -- when you read

-- you look at it as moving pictures or as speech in time, from the

beginning in the Garden of Eden to Watergate to now. This simply facilitates

the process via computing machinery.

 

>Do you have any further advice or developments or ideas.

 

You can check out an article I wrote about it at

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/story/2220.html -- there's a link in

the article to MIT's David Small, who did some fascinating work in document

visualization with the works of Shakespeare that is _definitely_ worth

checking out. The immediate future of electronic texts, imho, will be along

these lines.

 

I think the applet is great, but there's lots of room for improvement: the

scrollbars don't seem to work properly, so you can't "rewind" or

"fast-forward" a document, and -- worst of all -- you have to manaually

create an html document with a reference to the applet and all the text you

want to read for any given occassion. While I've done this for some texts

(like I'd mentioned earlier I read a couple Burroughs texts out on the net

with this thing, it was great), it certainly isn't practical for day-to-day

use. I believe that a solution to this is fairly trivial, and am working on

it (in short, creating a program that you reference via an URL, such at

http://mywebsite/myprogram and pass it variable information about what text

you want to display -- forinstance http://mywebsite/myprogram?howl or

http://mywebsite/myprogram?kaddish and it will generate on-the-fly "virtual"

html documents with your text in it). Am working on putting up the

manuscript of one of my novels in this way -- when I do it I'll send ya the

url.

 

cheers,

 

m

 

Michael Stutz                                  | DESIGN  SCIENCE  LABS

http://dsl.org/m                               | Hypermedia, Internet,

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Intro; Wm S Burroughs -Reply

 

Thomas Harberd wrote:

>

> Burroughs is great, obviously.

> It's just a shame that his "best" (INHO) books are his least

> well known ones: Western Lands and Ghost of Chance.

> I'm going to be doing a course on the Beats next year - it

> seems odd that the Burroughs work on the reading list is

> "Naked Lunch", which is carefully calculated to put anyone

> off unless they're particularly determined.

>

> Tom. H.

> "A Bear of Very Little Brain"

> http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

 

i would think some snips from Keroucian characterizations would be the

best starting point, and Ginsberg's poem on method.  these seem easy to

incorporate on reserve.  i would also recommend showing the video

documentary about him b4 sinking them too quickly into the Lunch.  i

think you're right that they'd lose more than they'd gain from diving

nakedly into Lunch.  it could turn them off dramatically to such a

genius.

 

david rhaesa

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Brooklyn College Memorial for AG

 

Just a reminder that the Brooklyn College Memorial for Allen Ginsberg

will take place on Monday on the Upper Quad.  If you plan to attend,

remember to have photo identification to show the security guard who

will issue you a visitor's pass.Look forward to meeting any of you that

can make it.  Bill

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From:         Bill Philibin <deadbeat@BUFFNET.NET>

Subject:      (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

> featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR

> chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)

 

        What ?!?!?  Please say that this is a typo....   What kind of "changes"

are going to be done?  Who is the "Author" of these so called Changes...

Is dean going to be looking to score some crack?  IMHO OTR is already a

timeless piece of literary excellence...

 

        Is there any one we can write to to inquire about such things?  And maybe

protest against the Changing of JKs words?

 

        You just ruined my year...

 

        -Bill

 

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| hope of greening the landscape of idea."

|

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From:         Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

Well, quite so. Hence my editorial comment. It's what the article says.

Presumably this is one of Keillor's projects. I guess the Author's Guild are

behind it. I think though that there's a limit to what you can 'change' of

someone's work without permission from the estate, so I assume that this

whole event has the blessing of the executor. Before long there'll be an

animated Saturday morning Disneyfied On The Road with Jack and Neal and a

couple of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America. Take a

rebellious movement and commercialize it into something tame and cute and

nineties (leaving out the dangerous stuff on the way of course), pay off the

survivors by giving them Levis ads and of course lots of cash for the

undeserving descendants. Pass the sick bag, Alice.

 

A bit cynical today, sorry

 

Nick

 

>> featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR

>> chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)

>

>        What ?!?!?  Please say that this is a typo....   What kind of "changes"

>are going to be done?  Who is the "Author" of these so called Changes...

>Is dean going to be looking to score some crack?  IMHO OTR is already a

>timeless piece of literary excellence...

>

>        Is there any one we can write to to inquire about such things?  And

maybe

>protest against the Changing of JKs words?

>

>        You just ruined my year...

>

>        -Bill

>

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>|"A good question is never answered.  It is not a bolt to be tightened

>| into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the

>| hope of greening the landscape of idea."

>|

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>

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 12:56:13 -0400

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

In a message dated 97-05-09 12:50:25 EDT, you write:

 

<< Before long there'll be an

 animated Saturday morning Disneyfied On The Road with Jack and Neal and a

 couple of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America. Take a >>

 

 

There already was a couple of cute friends (though not furry) driving through

America - a rip-off of OTR's popularity - it was a TV show called "Route 66."

-

 

JW

WaterRow

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 10:45:50 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

At 10:41 AM 5/9/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Well, quite so. Hence my editorial comment. It's what the article says.

>Presumably this is one of Keillor's projects. I guess the Author's Guild are

>behind it. I think though that there's a limit to what you can 'change' of

>someone's work without permission from the estate, so I assume that this

>whole event has the blessing of the executor.

 

 

What is this ultra-seriousness.  A Lake Wobegone version of OTR sounds like

a humourous type of tribute.  It is a measure of how well known and regarded

and now classic OTR has become (BTW, I actually am not any sort of fan of

keillor and the Wobegone stuff).

 

>Before long there'll be an

>animated Saturday morning Disneyfied On The Road with Jack and Neal and a

>couple of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America.

 

 

That sounds great.  I hope they do this.  I'll watch.

 

>Take a

>rebellious movement and commercialize it into something tame and cute and

>nineties (leaving out the dangerous stuff on the way of course), pay off the

>survivors by giving them Levis ads and of course lots of cash for the

>undeserving descendants. Pass the sick bag, Alice.

>

 

 

Rebellious?  Kerouac never was for rebellion.  His books were not about

rebellion.  He wanted to be in the in same tradition as his forebears in

literature.  He never had rebellion on his mind and the ideas of the sixties

folk who claimed "rebellion" didn't sit well with him.

 

Cassady was never into rebellion either.

 

 

>A bit cynical today, sorry

>

 

Sounds more like starry eyed idealism than cyniism to me.

 

 

>Nick

>

 

 

Take it easy dude.

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Ginsberg's archive

 

Reply to Bill Morgan:     May 9, 1997

        Sorry it's taken so long to get back.

        You win: the poster was dated in September, 1994, a month after

Ginsberg signed the Stanford contract.  It seems to me that Allen's archive

was not on deposit there yet, if I remember correctly?

        Allen and I were in heavy discussions from April of 1994 on, since

he was trying to talk both me and Jan out of going public concerning the

estate issue.  At one point, I remember him defending John Sampas, saying

that John had a "right to shop around for the library that has the most

money to offer," and saying he was doing that kind of thing himself--though

I don't think he mentioned Stanford specifically.

        Of course, as we now learn, Jeffrey Weinberg had already done that

job for Sampas in 1991 and come up with the Bancroft.

        I also remember a funny exchange between me and Allen, where I told

Allen I had heard a rumor that Sampas was checking out Japanese buyers,

because they have so much cash, and Allen replied with his famous guilty

smirk, half-laughing: "MAYBE I OUGHT TO DO THAT!"

        Your revelation that it only took ONE MONTH of heavy negotiation to

get the deal concluded with Stanford throws further doubt on the credibility

of Mr. Sampas's claim that it's taken him over six years just to begin a

deal with the New York Public Library, a deal he reportedly needs another 17

years to finish (what he told Allen).

        Also, and you need to confirm this, there was supposedly GOOD REASON

FOR ALLEN TO KEEP HIS NEGOTIATIONS WITH STANFORD SECRET.  I heard on the

library grapevine that Columbia University was truly pissed off with

GInsberg selling the stuff to Stanford, because they thought he planned to

sell it to THEM.

        As far as I know, Mr. Sampas has made no such conflicting promises,

that would force him to keep his library negotiations secret.

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Le copertine dei libri di Jack Kerouac.

 

Cari amici beats,

        il primo volume di "Sulla Strada" l'ho acquistato

nel novembre 1969, sull'onda della recente scomparsa

dello scrittore. Ne ho ancora la copia. La copertina

portava il dipinto di alcune "donne di strada" offrendo

chiaramente all'acquirente una falsa immagine del beat.

        Poi un'altra copia l'ho comprata nel 1979, e in copertina

c'era due hippies impegnati nel fumare, nel 1980 ho comperato

l'edizione "penguins modern classics" the cover, designed

by Germano Facetti, shows a detail from 'The Athlete's Dream'

by Larry Rivers, from S.C. Johnson Collection.

        La copia che ho acquistato nel 1995 porta in copertina

una bellissima foto di wim wenders.

        Faccio notare come JK for himself painted a cover picture

for the 1th edidiotn of OTR.

        Le immagini (photos, paintings, picture, movie, films) sono

parte essenziale nella comunicazione e nel linguaggio,

 

saluti da Rinaldo.

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From:         "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject:      A Question for G. Nicosia/not Estate related!!

 

Hello Gerry,

 

Someone recently passed on to me an extra copy of the Grove

Press Publication of _Memory Babe_ (mine is

is disarray) and as I was perusing this copy I noticed

that pgs 97-128 were missing.  There has been no

tampering with this copy (pages ripped out, etc.), as far

as I can tell because there would be obvious signs

(the gap in the binding).  Was there problems w/

the orginal publishing, or did I stumble upon a

misprint?  Just curious.

 

Thanx,

Mike

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From:         Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

Yeh, you're right, i'm being over-serious today. It's only books, after all.

But Idon't know about the rebellion bit. I think everyone goes a little

overboard about the conservative Kerouac, and how much he hated the sixties

etc. At the time the books were read as a challenge to society, to

contemporary literary styles and moral values, and were thought of as

dangerous and corrupting, wern't they? With hindsight, it's too easy to say

it was all 'within a tradition'. Sure, he was jumping off from Wolfe etc,

but surely he *thought* he was being rebellious in his literary style, in

his religious explorations, in his 'lifestyle' etc.

 

A society deals with its rebels best by accomodating them into the

mainstream and thereby taking the sting out of the tail. The word 'classic'

is one way of doing this. I think the Beats really did have a sting, which

is why we're still here yakking away about them.

 

Nick

 

 

>What is this ultra-seriousness.  A Lake Wobegone version of OTR sounds like

>a humourous type of tribute.  It is a measure of how well known and regarded

>and now classic OTR has become (

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From:         Clay Vaughan <CLV100U@MOZART.FPA.ODU.EDU>

Subject:      Literary History of the Beats

 

As another of the books to be printed this year, does anyone have

any facts relating to the supposed October publication of Allen

Ginsberg's LITERARY HISTORY OF THE BEATS? It sounds like an autumn

flood of works coming out of these publishing houses, and

HarperCollins has price etc already set for this particular item.

 

Does anyone (eg. Bill Morgan?) have the dope on the scope of this

book, say, is it an honest to goodness history, a series of essays,

an anthology of some sort?

 

Clay

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Rinaldo Rasa

 

                                        May 9, 1997

 

        I suggest we make Rinaldo Rasa Poet Laureate of the Beat List.  If

we don't save Jack Kerouac's archive, his great cut-up poem of May 4 may be

the best thing to come out of all these years of struggle.

        Rinaldo, piacere di fare la vostra conoscenza!  Mio padre era

siciliano, non ciprioto!  Di quale parte d'italia lei vene?

        (Forgive my rusty Italian.)

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From:         Ron Guest <rguest@SUNSET.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>

Subject:      Kerouac Street

 

        Hoping someone in the Bay Area will know this one.  Saw Jack Kerouac

Street recently in San Francisco.  When was this street named and who was

responsible?  Was there some kind of ceremony? With beats?  Was Kerouac

family there? Or did the city crew

just roll up and put up a sign?

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

At 12:21 PM 5/9/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Yeh, you're right, i'm being over-serious today. It's only books, after all.

>But Idon't know about the rebellion bit. I think everyone goes a little

>overboard about the conservative Kerouac, and how much he hated the sixties

>etc. At the time the books were read as a challenge to society, to

>contemporary literary styles and moral values, and were thought of as

>dangerous and corrupting, wern't they?

 

 

I think this is true, my point is that this is not what kerouac intended and

was surprised by this response.

 

You know, there has been a lot of "rebel" or "revolutionary" literature

produced all over the world.

 

It is usually specious and boring.

 

Any revolutionary nature of Kerouac's books didn't come from an attempt to

produce revolutionary literature.

 

 

 With hindsight, it's too easy to say

>it was all 'within a tradition'. Sure, he was jumping off from Wolfe etc,

>but surely he *thought* he was being rebellious in his literary style, in

>his religious explorations, in his 'lifestyle' etc.

>

>A society deals with its rebels best by accomodating them into the

>mainstream and thereby taking the sting out of the tail. The word 'classic'

>is one way of doing this. I think the Beats really did have a sting, which

>is why we're still here yakking away about them.

>

>Nick

>

>

>>What is this ultra-seriousness.  A Lake Wobegone version of OTR sounds like

>>a humourous type of tribute.  It is a measure of how well known and regarded

>>and now classic OTR has become (

>**************************************************************************

>*Nil Carborundum Illegitimis*

>It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees

>

>Nick Weir-Williams

>Director, Northwestern University Press, 625 Colfax Street, Evanston, IL 60208

>President, Illinois Book Publishers Association

>List Manager, chipub listserv

>

>ph:  847 491 8114

>fax: 847 491 8150

>

>

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Subject:      exploding text complete/fairly long

 

Dearest listmembers, here it is completed.  I hope you like it.  I thought

it came out to be quite a nice tribute.  Below is intro to hardcopy I will

be creating for Saturday and following, the text itself.  I am truly looking

forward to reading/performing this for the L.A. crowd, I hear the phone is

ringing alot re the tribute, got pick of the week in The L.A. Weekly.  The

show is a bit top heavy with 25 performers and an open to follow.  They are

talking about rigging sound for the outside lawn for those that either can't

pay to get in or just couldn't get in because of room.  If you know of

anyone coming, tell them to say that they are poets and I believe there is a

discount.  It's ten bucks at the door with student, artist and senior

discount rates.  The money is for buying Allen's books for the Beyond

Baroque library/store.

 

all the best

xxxooo

s.a.

 

 

 

*******************************

 

 

TO:  Bill Gargan &

"BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"

<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Readers of artifact in hand &

Howl To The Bard :  Cut & Paste

 

While four wheeling city of angels I was brain

storming with wind and rain and this here flash :

 

I am on Internet Beat List.

 

I am to be a part of Allen Ginsberg tribute

May 10th at Beyond Baroque in Venice, Ca.

In the tradition of those we talk about, think

about and look to here on said list I will alter/add

to Ginsberg's piece "On Burroughs Work"

then e-mail to whomever wishes to participate

by altering/adding  then send it back and so on

via backmail to me until it is "finished" or the week

is up.  It is imperative that whomever jumps onto

this trip work fast.  Not much time to think about it,

and in the rules of J.K.'s spontaneous writing, it's

what works best.  I will take the completed project

with me to tribute and read/perform it for folks there.

 

I wanted netusers to come with me on my adventure :

The Twisted Caddy gassed up and ready to roll down

international superhighway of starry night singalong

where comets burn in wake of gas, coffee and words

as together we do it all and gather freely in nets of

language.

 

I thought that this was a creative way to approach

this in the spirit of Allen and The Beats.  Bring it

into the present and out of the clambake of nostalgia

by launching him into strange new gravity of

cyberspace holy.

 

 

 

xxxooo

S.A. Griffin

 

Thanks to Mike Bruner, Olly Ruff, David Rhaesa, Derek Beaulieu, Marie

Countryman, Michael Stutz & James Stauffer for their words to the wise guy.

 

Thanks to Jersey girl librarian Lorraine Perrotta who makes everything possible.

 

 

 Exploding text from original by Allen Ginsberg:

 Altered/added to by S.A. Griffin, Mike Bruner,

 Olly Ruff, David Rhaesa, Derek Beaulieu,

 Marie Countryman, Michael Stutz,  & James Stauffer

 

 

****************************************************

 

 On the Work of Burroughs

 

 The method must be purest meat

           of sharktalk, spoor

      straight no chaser: at every bitter end

         people leave and you're left

                 of  center

               of norm

        of sexuality & spirituality

        of soul & truth

       Madness unadorned.

        Real not allegorical & it's

                             all like it was before :

 

           William's Red Wheelbarrow you

                             Must have seen in Patterson w/Blake

 

        old and empty like the room before they came

 

        take that first step again ; down an even darker road

        into what's been bothering you, swallow heads and tails whole

 

               & yes,

                 it feels

                           as

                 tho the vortex has opened

                           becoming

                         Dorothy &

                       Burroughs

                               is the

                         Great Oz with

                               toy

                                 balloon

 

      Toto a 1,000 Cosmic Cats

 

         staring at millennium

      change

 

        & there are currents in the air as Cats inhale Bop Poetics

                 breeething deeply the air of supermarkets & streets

                                 where you chose to radiate peace

 

     . . . perhaps it's time again for revolution

               classless

         empty without form

              peaceful Dharma Lion gait I see you walk in

         Mind's Eye

           see you walk and wonder what you'd say to this today?

 

         I could never answer but it is all here

         house full of machinery that I

         angelheaded hipster

         strove to search for starry wonder in mechanical Indra's Net all night

         and now it's all in synch. . .

 

      dead forgotten timezone airwaves : we communicate freely over

   endless Kansas wheatfields

         & tenement lower east side apts & diners & poisonous tomatoes

                                 of yr mother's holy kaddish

             and no symbolic dressing,

                                 actual visions &

         actual prisons of imaginary dungeons

         and not yet from a distance as

                 surrounded by you now

                 as seen then and now.

                         "dreaming of a key..."

                         inside the dream machines

                                     we become

                         anti-temporal-recordings

                                 that

                         twist past the prerecorded

                               universe

                                 that

                           begins

                                 and ends

                                 with one

                             or two midwest

                                Kansas

                               synapses ...

 

     Prisons of psychic abstractions and visions presented as

     sheet lightning filmset backdrops

                  in all the cracks of sidewalk

         & in the leaves of grass

         which are now rising from their

         long winter sleep beneath the melting snow

            with rare descriptions

     corresponding exactly to those

           of Alcatraz and Apocalypse Rose...

 

                 (with no Clint Eastwood style

                 hollywood

                 escape/ing the words of yr holy moods)

 

     Stopping for refills of gas and coffee and love

    counting virtual billboards

 

                               between

       mirages on life's superhighway

                 where we face the information & sort thru the confusion &

        information overload for the last gem of truth

 

            looking in every wingmirror wanting for something not so real

 

     - catching a glimpse

      of the selfsame prisons. but :-

 

                 prisons without bars are holy like

        skin is holy

          baseball holy

               internet holy

                  time  holy

              kiss of ages holy

                  holy

 

                 & where does yr beard point tonight old grey beard?

             & who do you walk with arm in arm?

 

     I write and pray straight stiff back out toward Heaven

     the thoughts that make my mind and make me feast on

     naked lunch of Purest meat

                         Cholesterol and all. Not even

        Kosher..

 

     A naked lunch is natural to us,

             we eat reality sandwiches.

     But allegories are so much lettuce.

 

                & I'm  still here

                               with you in Rockland.  Eating the

                   sandwich you tried to teach me to make.

 

     & now we look to the ways in which the words do it all

           on this beautifully sad adventure we imagine

                                    we are having.

                   they run faster and crueler

       than whatever finger typed them

                and sometimes we get the feeling that we

                 should erase the tape

                                 and start the

 

                         whole damned show over again

                               now &

                                   now &                   now

                  flip the tape & continue : side two

 

                       they are not things that could feasibly be used

              for your own purpose ; you are trying to unlock them

       or else use them to unlock things

              and sometimes you yourself are the thing unlocked.

 

                     We gaze at wide mad wonder of life,

                love of life,

                   love of last long-gone

                dewdrop mad prison of this world as heady

        Indian angel visitations in a million moments of

            dreaming for love of life found in holy visions of summer

 

                         you know i was thinking

                 the other day in the Dillon's down on

                         Massachusetts Avenue

                                 and i decided

                 that the locks were always just a dream

                          and i was

                                 glad that

                         i spent time with such

                                 a good and

                                 dear friend

                                     as

                                 Allen Ginsberg

                     when I first met you and fell in love with yr

                             holy soul jelly roll,

                           grateful for our friendship

                                     and only

                                 hope that I

                 can face the remaining dream of life

                         with the rest of the living

                                 until that day

                                     when

         the Western Lands are opened by an angry big mouth tornado in a

                         hurry cane tin pan alley

                                 and we all

                          honeymoon together in the abyssinian

                                 wheatfields

                                     of

                                     eternity.

 

        poets holy :

 

                    tell me

 

       which way yr

            love points Allen

         denver sf ny kyoto czech & shared beard of cuba

         tonite in the perfume of

             yr passion yet to

               spend

         dollars of soulmatra heart coin

                 to the cia fbi & raygun dollars of bomb

 

         stars

  breath

         expand with

          music

 

            exponential

                 exponent tail

 

              of heartbeat

                     holy

 

          hear ear & heart of sacred cock & cunt

                                   chest

                                      holy

              asshole holy

 

          heart of mind holy I

              hear you

          In the sf waves and Erie shore

          Ferlinghetti waves of Allen,

              waves of lakes and waves

              of heart,

          I hear you call :

             Are you my angel?

 

          I hear what you say and I now write to the world to do it:

                   rise up! rise up! and claim

                 this world!

 

 radiate one thousand years in peacedance of heaven earthbound childhood

visions

                                   holy!

                                 holy!

                                           holy!

 

              Don't hide the madness.

 

                 A word to the wise guy.

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Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

In-Reply-To:  <9705091215.aa25394@buffnet1.buffnet.net>

 

granted i don'

t like the idea either of rewriting his prose, but my suggestion of what

to be done is -- if you dont like it ignore it! i mean, organize a

PROTEST?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

 

Eric

 

On Fri, 9 May 1997, Bill Philibin wrote:

 

> > featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR

> > chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)

>

>         What ?!?!?  Please say that this is a typo....   What kind of

 "changes"

> are going to be done?  Who is the "Author" of these so called Changes...

> Is dean going to be looking to score some crack?  IMHO OTR is already a

> timeless piece of literary excellence...

>

>         Is there any one we can write to to inquire about such things?  And

 maybe

> protest against the Changing of JKs words?

>

>         You just ruined my year...

>

>         -Bill

>

> [  email: deadbeat@buffnet.net  |  web: http://www.buffnet.net/~deadbeat  ]

> |"A good question is never answered.  It is not a bolt to be tightened

> | into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the

> | hope of greening the landscape of idea."

> |

> |                                                       -- John Ciardi

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      S.Marco Place - venerdi' 9 maggio 1997, Venezia.

 

Otto uomini=20

e un solo fucile

 

VENEZIA - E' stato confermato che sono otto gli uomini del commando di

Piazza San Marco. Sono Fausto Faccia, Flavio Contin, Moreno Nemini, Cristian

Contin, Gilberto Buron, Luca Peroni, Andrea Viviani, Antonio Barison. I

carabinieri hanno inoltre confermato che il commando era armato di un solo

fucile "Mab" con due serbatoi e complessivamente 70 colpi. Inoltre il

commando era in possesso di una attrezzatura idonea a interferire sulle

frequenze radio-televisive.=20

 

Andrea Viviani, 26 anni, di Colognola ai Colli (Verona), Fausto Faccia, 30,

di Agna (Padova), Cristian Contin, 23, e lo zio Flavio Contin, 55, entrambi

di Urbana (Padova) sono gi=E0 stati indagati dalla Procura della Repubblica=

 di

Verona. Non erano entrati nell'inchiesta del giudice Papalia Moreno Menini,

di 20 anni di Tregnago (Verona); Luca Peroni, di 28 anni di Zevio (Verona);

Antonio Barison, di 41 anni di Conselve (Padova); e Gilberto Buson, di 46

anni di Pernumia (Padova).=20

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      La Serenissima Repubblica di Venezia. 1797-1997

 

Commando "indipendentista"=20

occupa San Marco: tutti arrestati

 

<Picture>VENEZIA - Un commando di "indipendentisti" ha occupato questa notte

il campanile di San Marco proclamando l'indipendenza del Veneto.

L'intervento di agenti speciali dei carabinieri ha concluso il "blitz" e

portato in carcere i componenti del gruppo, otto persone, che si sono

dichiarati prigionieri politici. Uno degli arrestati, Antonio Barison, 41

anni, di Conselve (Padova), si =E8 sentito male dopo essere stato condotto

nella caserma dei=20

carabinieri, dove sarebbe stato chiesto l'intervento di un tenente medico.

Successivamente Barison =E8 stato ricoverato nel reparto di rianimazione

dell'ospedale civile di Venezia, dove =E8 piantonato da alcuni agenti di

polizia. La direzione sanitaria e i medici mantengono il massimo riserbo sia

sulla diagnosi sia sulle condizioni di salute del=20

paziente.

 

 

L'attacco era cominciato questa notte all'una con il sequestro di un

traghetto, dal quale =E8 sbarcato con un mezzo anfibio militare e un=

 pulmino.

Sul campanile "occupato" =E8 stata innalzata la bandiera di San Marco=

 definita

del Veneto Serenissimo Governo. L'azione dovrebbe essere partita dal Lido di

Venezia.=20

 

Il commando ha costretto il comandante del traghetto a trasportare un camion

con rimorchio, nel quale era celato il mezzo militare con due bocche da

fuoco, probabilmente di fabricazione straniera, con la sigla VTMB07. Il

commando ha "occupato" quindi Piazza San Marco. Alcuni incursori, che si

presume armati, sono rimasti dentro il mezzo militare, altri si sono recati

nel campanile per innalzare il vessillo. Gli incursori si sono dichiarati al

comandante del traghetto delle linee di navigazione interno dicendo: "Questa

=E8 una azione militare". Subito sono affluiti sul posto ingenti forze di

polizia, carabinieri e Guardia di Finanza.=20

 

 

Alle 6,30 gli incursori hanno trasmesso il primo comunicato diramato su

Raiuno con una interferenza piratesca, sul tipo delle altre interferenze

(nove fino alle ultime di Belluno e Verona), compiute sui telegiornali

nazionali. Il comunicato dice: "Parliamo a nome del Serenissimo governo e

comunichiamo ai veneti che dopo 200 anni questa notte su ordine del Veneto

Serenissimo Governo un reparto regolare della Veneta Serenissima Armata ha

liberato Piazza S. Marco. Oggi rinasce la Veneta Serenissima Repubblica che

riprende a vincere perch=E9 noi l'abbiamo dotata della nostra incrollabile

fede affinch=E9 essa viva". Il comunicato conclude con "Viva S.

Marco".=20

 

L'azione =E8 stata compiuta alla vigilia delle celebrazioni del Bicentenario

della Serenissima che avranno luogo domenica, organizzate dalla Lega, e=

 luned=EC,

promosse dalla regione Veneto. Domani, inoltre, Piazza S. Marco ospiter=E0=

 il

giuramento solenne delle truppe anfibie lagunari eredi dei fanti da Mar

della Serenissima.

Dopo l'arrivo delle autorit=E0 un giovane incursone, con il volto bendato,=

 ha

parlato con le forze dell'ordine, dicendo che sono determinati ed agiranno

se minacciati: "Non vogliamo creare disordini", ha aggiunto. Il commando si

considera appartenente

alla "Forza regolare della Serenissima armata". Il giovane si mostrava

nervoso e concitato. Al comandante del traghetto

avevano dichiarato "questa =E8 una azione di guerra". Il mezzo blindato

impiegato =E8 vecchio e di probabile fabbricazione

straniera. Il pulmino =E8 probabilmente lo stesso utilizzato per le

interferenze televisive, a bordo ci sarebbe infatti l'apparecchiatura che ha

consentito stamane la diramazione del comunicato sul Tg1 delle 6,30. Quando

hanno compiuto l'incursione, Piazza San Marco era pressoch=E9 deserta.=

 Subito

si =E8 affollata di forze dell'ordine ed =E8 stata sorvolata anche da un

elicottero della Guardia di Finanza.

 

Il procuratore della Repubblica Smitti ha sottolineato che "ci sono

certamente reati" e si =E8 chiesto

come tanti altri se vale la pena fare una cosa del genere.

"Come primo giudizio si pu=F2 dire che =E8 una cosa folle, ma =E8

una cosa folle organizzata sul posto apparentemente con armi,

quindi estremamente seria". L'accesso a Piazza S. Marco =E8

stato bloccato dalle forze dell'ordine che vi hanno creato un cordone.

 

 

Pi=F9 tardi agenti dei corpi speciali armati dei carabinieri (Gis) sono=

 saliti

sul campanile da una scala telescopica e sono entrati nell'edificio. Secondo

Smitti l'azione =E8 stata decisa dopo che era fallito qualsiasi tentativo di

trattativa. "Ci auguriamo - ha detto Smitti - che non sia necessario il

ricorso alle armi".

 

Secondo alcune testimonianze all'interno del campanile sono stati sparati

alcuni lacrimogeni ma nessun colpo di arma=20

da fuoco. Alcuni componenti del commando sono stati bloccati=20

dagli agenti dei corpi speciali e sono stati visti uscire dal=20

campanile scortati dalle forze dell'ordine.

 

I componenti del commando sono stati tutti arrestati. Vengono loro

contestati fra l'altro i reati di associazione sovversiva, banda armata,

sequestro di persona.

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Subject:      Re: Rinaldo Rasa

In-Reply-To:  <199705091833.LAA23533@iceland.it.earthlink.net>

 

hello,

 

could anybody send me a copy of this mentioned piece if they have it

saved. i was on a Beat-l sabbatical so missed the past few weeks list

events. this and or or anything else of interested would be appreciated.

 

thnks,

Eric

 

On Fri, 9 May 1997, Gerald Nicosia wrote:

 

>                                         May 9, 1997

>

>         I suggest we make Rinaldo Rasa Poet Laureate of the Beat List.  If

> we don't save Jack Kerouac's archive, his great cut-up poem of May 4 may be

> the best thing to come out of all these years of struggle.

>         Rinaldo, piacere di fare la vostra conoscenza!  Mio padre era

> siciliano, non ciprioto!  Di quale parte d'italia lei vene?

>         (Forgive my rusty Italian.)

>         Best, Gerry Nicosia

>

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Subject:      Today in Venice.

 

09-MAG-97 07:44 NNN

GEN: VENICE'S ST MARK'S OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS

 

   (ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - Venice's St Mark's square was sealed

off by police this morning after a group of five or six people

believed to be armed occupied the belltower where they unfurled

the flag of the old Republic of Venice.

     The group reportedly reached Tronchetto, on the mainland,

shortly after midnight aboard two vehicles. There they

commandeered a ferry with a small number of passengers aboard

and ordered the captain to take them and their vehicles to the

St Mark's stop.

     Witnesses said the men in the group were wearing camouflage

fatigues and carrying machine-guns and pistols which may or may

not be real weapons. One of the vehicles they were driving was

described as a camper and the other as having the appearance of

an armored troop carried.

     Early this morning, a weak radio signal broadcast from the

top of the belltower cut in on local public radio broadcasting

with the message, delivered in a heavy Venetian accent, that the

St Mark's belltower had been occupied by the ''serenissimo''

government, the government of the old Republic of Venice.

(MORE).

 

     GY

09-MAG-97 08:34 NNN

GEN: VENICE'S ST MARK'S OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS (2)

 

     Venice police chief Umberto Cernetig and the provincial

Carabinieri police commander, Emilio Borghini, later approached

the troop carrier where they were told, by a masked man in

fatigues that the group was awaiting the arrival of the

''ambassador of the Republic of Venice''.

     May 12 marks the 200th anniversary of the demise of the

republic which came under foreign domination for the first time

when Venice was occupied by French troops in 1797.

(MORE).

 

     GY

09-MAG-97 08:34 NNN

GEN: VENICE'S ST MARK'S OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS (3)

 

     Later in the morning, the six or seven people who had been

occupying the belltower were flushed out by members of a special

Carabinieri police unit. These special agents erected a

telescopic ladder on the side of the belltower which they

climbed to gain entry. Inside, they apparently used teargas.

     Also taken into custody were two men from inside the

separatists' camper and another two inside the armored troop

carrier.

     On the scene, a Finance Police lieutenant colonel said the

Carabinieri police were still conducting a sweep of the inside

of the belltower and that no gunshots had been heard.

(MORE).

 

     GY

09-MAG-97 09:00 NNN

GEN: ST. MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS (4)

 

   (ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - A total of eight members of the

self-styled 'Government of the Republic of Venice' were taken

into custody by the end of the operation in St Mark's square and

belltower.

     A close inspection of the vehicle described as an armored

troop carrier disclosed that it was a van assembled out of old

body panels over three axles and eight wheels. The other vehicle

involved, the camper, was found to contain leaflets and other

documents plus radio transmitters.

     During the operation, police found two machine-guns, a Mab

and a Stern, which may or may not have been in working order.

     Venice Mayor Massimo Cacciari, on the scene, thanked the

crack Carabinieri unit for the assault on the belltower and

reported that he had learned of the occupation of the monument

only in the morning because his telephone answering machine was

broken.

(MORE).

 

     GY

09-MAG-97 10:31 NNN

GEN: ST. MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS (5)

 

     Northern League leader Umberto Bossi, who staged a three-

day march along the Po River in September last year to declare

the ''independence of the Padania'', said today's actions were

''crazy, stuff to be laughed at. I saw it on Tv this morning. It

was something unreal and spectacular at the same time,'' said

the MP who secessionist talk has been muted thus far this year.

     An assistant public prosecutor put in charge of the case,

Rita Ugolini, said she would hold a press conference at noon

(local).

(END).

     GY

09-MAG-97 10:31 NNN

GEN: ST MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS... FIRST ADD

 

   (ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - As the occupation of the St Mark's

belltower was scaled back from an armed assault in the historic

square to a spectacular demonstration, Defense Minister

Beniamino Andreatta in Rome lavished praise on the GIS, the

Carabinieri rapid intervention unit.

     These men, said Andreatta in Rome, ''planned, organized and

carried out the operation'' which came as an ''effective

demonstration that the national community can always count on

the professionalism and steady reliability of the Carabinieri.''

     The GIS commanding officer told Ansa in Venice that the

unit was alerted at 0130 today (2330 gmt Thursday) and reached

Venice from Livorno, on the north-central Tyrrhenian, two-and-

a-half hours later, aboard an Air Force plane.

     The Carabinieri policemen brought with them an 'assault'

Range Rover equipped with a sliding roof from which a ladder can

be extended to a height of ten meters. After sharpshooters took

up positions around the square and the electricity had been cut,

three groups moved into action, one at the base of the

belltower, one which stormed the tower loggia off the Range

Rover ladder and another which climbed scaffolding set up around

the monument for restoration work.

(MORE).

 

     GY

09-MAG-97 13:30 NNN

GEN: ST MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS... FIRST ADD (2)

 

     The entire operation, said the GIS commander, lasted no

longer than seven or eight minutes. Six of the eight men taken

into custody were inside the belltower, where a MAB machine-gun

with 30 shells in the clip was found, and two were taken from

the mock-up of an armored personnel carrier.

     The separatists had brought food and drink, including wine,

with them into the belltower indicating they planned to hold out

for some time. The Carabinieri police also came across a small

generator the men could have used to illuminate the belltower

and power their radio transmitter.

     The GIS commander said today's operation was less difficult

that one completed recently in the southern Adriatic port city

of Barletta where four armed robbers, who had shot a Carabinieri

policeman to death and wounded another one, were holed up with

the wife and 14-year-old son of one of the gang.

     The four men captured, without firing a shot, were fully

armed and had hand grenades.

     The eight separatist demonstrators now in custody in Venice

could be charged with subversive association, forming an armed

band, illegal possession of firearms, assault on national

integrity and kidnapping for subversive purposes.

(MORE).

 

     GY

09-MAG-97 13:30 NNN

GEN: ST MARK'S SQUARE OCCUPIED BY SEPARATISTS... FIRST ADD (3)

 

     These charges were named here by Carabinieri Captain Angelo

Iannone who noted that the magistrate in charge of the case will

have the job of filing the charges.

     The kidnap count could refer to the captain of the ferry

used by the separatists, Giovanni Girotto, and passengers aboard

the boat making its closing trip of the day up the Grand Canal

with departure from the Tronchetto stop at 0020 (2220 gmt

Thursday).

     Girotto reported that the men appeared determined, were

using two-day radios ''and did not seem particularly prepared

militarily because they paid their fares before boarding.'' He

said they arrived with a white camper and a truck-trailer towing

the mock-up personnel carrier under a tarp.

     The captain said neither he nor his passengers paid special

attention to the vehicle which appeared armored or the fact that

the men were wearing camouflage fatigues ''because we often have

military vehicles aboard.''

     Girotto also said that when the men left the ferry they

abandoned the truck they had been used to tow the military-

looking vehicle saying, ''You can give it to Scalfaro,'' Head of

State Oscar Luigi Scalfaro.

     Summing up the experience, the ferry boat captain said the

men who went on to occupy the square and belltower were ''crazy

guys who believe people think like they do.''    (END).

     GY

09-MAG-97 13:30 NNN

GEN: VENICE'S ST.MARK'S OCCUPIED BY TERRORISTS...SECOND ADD

 

     (ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - The eight separatist activists

were later revealed to have been behind recent pirate radio

transmissions which jammed public TV broadcasts in the Veneto

with separatist messages.

     Interior Ministry Undersecretary Nicola Sinisi said police

had been on the trail of the jammers for weeks, and located them

two days ago.

     Searches were carried out yesterday at the homes of five of

the gang, but they had already left for Venice.

     The pirate radio transmitters were located in the towns of

Belluno and Verona.

     Five of those arrested are from country towns near Padua,

and three are from villages near Verona.

     Correcting earlier reports, police said the gang was armed

with a single MAB machine-gun with two magazines totalling 70

rounds.

     The separatists also had equipment for jamming radio and TV

signals.

     Sinisi, who flew in to Venice today with Deputy Premier

Walter Veltroni, said the police response to the gang might

serve as warning to ''those tempted to imitate them.''

(MORE).

 

     GEE

09-MAG-97 16:37 NNN

GEN: VENICE'S ST.MARK'S OCCUPIED BY TERRORISTS...SECOND ADD (2)

 

     He said the police action had shown that recent separatist

rumblings had not been under-estimated, but today's incident

could mean the police guard might have to be raised further.

     In Rome, a majority of political reactions called for swift

action to grant more autonomy to local governments in the north,

but some, like opposition leader Silvio Berlusconi, blamed

Bossi's secessionist rhetoric for whipping up passions.

     Berlusconi said the end result was that ''the less strong,

the less intelligent, the most exposed'' would end up paying for

Bossi's ''propaganda.''

     Leading members of the Northern League described the

incident as ''halfway between a schoolboy prank and violent

intimidation,'' while one of the founders of the Venetian

separatist Liga Veneta said the gang's action was

''understandable, but not to be endorsed.''

     Members of the leftwing PDS party called for a

''mobilisation'' against secession, while PDS leader Massimo

D'Alema called on Bossi to come back to the table of the

institutional reform talks D'Alema is chairing.

(MORE).

 

     GEE

09-MAG-97 16:37 NNN

GEN: VENICE'S ST.MARK'S OCCUPIED BY TERRORISTS...SECOND ADD (3)

 

     Bossi stalked out of the talks when they were set up,

declaring that he would have no truck with Rome political

''horse-trading.''

     In other reactions, Green party MP Marco Boato recalled

that Italy's terrorism in the 70s and 80s, whether on the right

or left, grew out of such ''symbolic and '' incidents

as today's.

(END).

     RED

09-MAG-97 17:45 NNN

GEN: COMMUNIQUE DEMANDS RELEASE OF VENICE ACTIVISTS

 

     (ANSA) - Venice, May 9 - A leaflet demanding the release of

the eight separatist activists who occupied the bell tower in St

Mark's square in Venice early today was sent to the Ansa offices

in Rome today.

     The message said that if the eight were not released within

48 hours ''we will respond to the violence of the Italian

occupiers in such a way as to discourage any other attempt to

violate our rights.''

     The note was handed to magistrates investigating this

morning's assault, who said they could not exclude the

possibility that it was genuine.

     If so it was a cause of concern since it suggested that

there was a larger organization behind the eight men.

     The message accused the authorities of beating the eight

activists and putting them in isolation cells.

 

     PAR

09-MAG-97 21:32 NNN

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 17:46:40 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: CORNIX applet

Comments: To: stutz@dsl.org

 

In a message dated 97-05-09 11:35:00 EDT, you write:

 

<< the Word is usually looked at as a huge

 "chunk" of data, but really when you make use of the Word -- when you read

 -- you look at it as moving pictures or as speech in time,  >>

Mike:

As an English comp instructor for many years, from an academic point of view,

the chunking of ideas into syntatic sequences is the accepted pedagogy, but

maybe we've been wrong or maybe digital is as digital does or maybe we need

to get back to the Word. Like I said growing up trying to get through New

Jersey is a series of flashing signs, signals and symbols. Chunking sounds

better but who knows what's in store. A lot of students are fidgetal if not

digital with nary a thread to the past.

C. Plymell

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 18:03:15 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

In a message dated 97-05-09 12:50:25 EDT, you write:

 

<< Pass the sick bag, Alice >>

Yes, and I never got car sick from being on the road. I've always had the

uneasy notion that Garrison Keilor would take over all of American

literature. It's something like Quayle being the quintessential American.

C. Plymell

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 17:08:00 -0500

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From:         Jeff Taylor <taylorjb@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

In-Reply-To:  <970509180114_220008524@emout13.mail.aol.com>

 

What's everyone got against Garrison Keillor??

 

*******

Jeff Taylor

taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 00:36:20 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: Rinaldo Rasa

 

Gerry Nicosia wrote:

>                                        May 9, 1997

>

>        I suggest we make Rinaldo Rasa Poet Laureate of the Beat List.  If

>we don't save Jack Kerouac's archive, his great cut-up poem of May 4 may be

>the best thing to come out of all these years of struggle.

>        Rinaldo, piacere di fare la vostra conoscenza!  Mio padre era

>siciliano, non ciprioto!  Di quale parte d'italia lei vene?

>        (Forgive my rusty Italian.)

>        Best, Gerry Nicosia

>

Ciao Gerry,

i miei migliori amici sono calabresi e baresi, sono proprio

dalle tue parti. Sono ONORATO della Laurea di Poeta Beat che

tu proponi per la mia modesta partecipazione alla lista beat.

Ti ringrazio con affetto, e riconoscenza. Io abito a Venezia,

nella parte moderna, ma vicinissima al centro storico, appena

prima del Ponte della Liberta'. Come ogni buon italiano anch'io

ho avuto e ho parenti per il mondo, in Canada, SouthAfrica,

Svizzera, et cetera. Da quando scrivo sulla Beat-List pero' di

italiani ne ho visti pochi, chissa' perche'? My today venice

post is assuming that the "happening" or countercultural, or

ethnic event in Piazza San Marco is a feedback 'bout some

changin' in italian feeling of the things, the guys involved

in such "happening" (read please the ANSA report) are really people

that came from the land, the plane land of our italy, people

not lit or politicians... are them  beat?

Hai nostalgia dell'Italia? e della Sicilia?

ti saluta con affetto il tuo "paesano" Rinaldo.

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 15:44:36 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins

 

>I am pleased with all the reviews. My only claim was to be a "Hobohemian"

writer, a

>word that I invented. Dr. Sax is a great book by a great writer.

>Charles Plymell

 

Charles--    May 9, 1997

 

        As someone who's done a fair amount of Kerouac lit. criticism I'm

astonished by your grasp of DR SAX.  What you say is not only solid

criticism but it's also fun to read.  You ought to be pouring out stuff like

this in some regular column in a cutting-edge literary magazine (if there

are any today--maybe EXQUISITE CORPSE?)  I remember your old COLD SPRING

JOURNAL.  (Do I have the title right?--memory going in old age).  Then your

stuff ought to be collected in a book of living first-person lit. criticism

as opposed to most of the dead 3rd-person academic stuff that gets published

regularly and kills rather than whets young people's interest.

        Maybe work it all into a memoir of where you are now, what your new

literary insights are.  I say all this not having read Last of the

Moccasins--I'm deprived.  I'll try to find it in our used-book shops.

        Thanks for your insights.

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 00:08:29 +0100

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From:         Olly Ruff <or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: Rolling Stone [OFF TOPIC NON-BEAT]

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.3.94.970508210411.19364B-100000@seka.nacs.net>

 

On Thu, 8 May 1997, Michael Stutz wrote:

 

> on about how much they "supported" sampling is what made this whole event so

> perverse in my eyes -- it made Bono and friends look like the depraved

> protagonist of Bret Easton Ellis' _American Psycho_, playing in his own

> scat.

 

Mind you, the only moment approaching a quote human unquote kind of

epiphany that the protagonist of American Psycho ever had was at a U2

concert... layers within layers there. (When I say "human", I mean

actually alive human) ; and it didn't last long.

 

Negativland probably represent the most striking success of U2's total

image makeover... I think U2 may have assimilated some ideas from the

people who sampled them, which at least makes for two-way trade. In

theory, anyhow. Well, history always was written by the winners...

 

Olly R.

    ____________________________________________________________________

 

           "If I had a gun... I would give you your freedom."

    ____________________________________________________________________

 

                        or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk

                           skink@imrryr.org

    ____________________________________________________________________

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 16:13:05 -0700

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From:         "V.J. Eaton" <vj@PRIMENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac Street

 

Yr going to get bombed w/ replies probably, but in case not, here's the

skinny.  You can thank the SF Board of Supervisors and the provoking hand of

Ferlinghetti.  Kerouac Street nee Adler Alley was renamed in ceremony

October 1988. It's all recounted in *Names of 12 SF Streets Changed to Honor

Authors & Artists* publ City Lights, 1989.

 

>        Hoping someone in the Bay Area will know this one.  Saw Jack Kerouac

>Street recently in San Francisco.  When was this street named and who was

>responsible?  Was there some kind of ceremony? With beats?  Was Kerouac

>family there? Or did the city crew

>just roll up and put up a sign?

>

>

 

 

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 16:41:00 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Where I am, Mr. Tabory

 

Dear Leon:    May 9, 1997

        It's understandable you are missing something; this whole thing has

grown ghastly complex after three and a half years of intense legal battles

moving from city to city across the United States.

        I hardly said I don't act from a moral basis.  My primary motivation

is moral; it sure as hell isn't financial, unless you (and Rod Anstee) can

figure out some benefit in losing money, which is all I've been doing lately.

        Here's the thing.  Mr. John Lash, Jan Kerouac's heir, working

closely with Mr. John Sampas, has taken his case to get me thrown out as Jan

Kerouac's literary executor to the appellate court in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

I cannot fight for Jack Kerouac's archive in Florida until that very same

Santa Fe court gives me the green light.  That court may very well turn on a

red light, and my quest to save Jack Kerouac's archive will be over, finito,

gone, daddy.

        Right now, I cannot do anything that Mr. Lash can use as ammunition

in Santa Fe, to show that I am less than competent as Ms. Kerouac's literary

executor.  He'd love to tell the court that I have given away Ms. Kerouac's

last unpublished novel, which could have brought him X amount of dollars.

        Once the Santa Fe court rules--and if they rule that I alone am

responsible for Jan's literary property--I will have a much freer hand in

getting her work published, getting her papers into a library, etc.

        I.e., A WHOLE LOT is riding right now with the three-judge appellate

panel in Santa Fe.

        Mr. Sampas has no such legal entanglements to deal with.  He is an

heir as well as an executor and cannot be tossed out in the cold the way I

potentially can be.  Jan did not make me her heir, and I did not want her

to.  (At one point she talked about paying me for the 1000's of hours of

work I had done in her behalf, and I told her that the only way I could

prove the sincerity of my efforts to help her save her father's papers was

if I simply helped her as a friend.  My favorite line to her was: "If you

win in Florida, buy me a dinner."  However, the way Mr. Anstee talks, you'd

think she had left me half her estate.)

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 20:05:07 -0400

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From:         "Dawn B. Sova" <DawnDR@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Patti Smith Concert Posters

 

Dear Nancy:

 

Yes -- re: the concert posters.  Send info re: arrangements when posters are

available.

 

Thanks,

Dawn

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 17:12:04 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but what the hell

 

  Why, Nicosia, didn't you make it clear to Levi in the

>beginning why you asked him to remove the excerpt?  It seems obvious to me

>why Levi was befuddled by you.  I can almost bet that had you conducted

>yourself with a bit more tact, Levi would be one of your champions....

>        I think it comes down to this: Be consistent, dammit!

>

>Bruce

>bwhartmanjr@iname.com

>

Dear Bruce Hartman:       May 9, 1997

 

        I don't know where you're coming from, and I will give you the

benefit of the doubt and suppose that you are just being misled by someone

who has found it in their interest to slander me.  In this case, I really

don't know where the lie originated.

        The fact is: I wrote to Levi Asher on July 27, 1996, explaining why

I couldn't let him print PARROT FEVER for free.  I have a copy of the letter

in my files.  I'll send you the whole thing if you need to hold it in your

hands to believe it.  Here are some excerpts of what I wrote to Levi:

         "I have talked the matter over with Jan's heirs, and their feeling

is that there should be payment for use of this piece.  It is a substantial

piece--I figured about 6,400 words ... you have to understand, that it's one

thing to charge a nominal fee for anthologizing work that has been published

a relatively long time ago, and from which most commercial interest has

already been exploited; and quite another thing to let you have use of

material from a last unpublished novel ... I must, of course, insist that

you no longer run the piece on the Web ... I hope this hasn't struck you as

too hard a position, but it's part of my legally mandated job as literary

executor to protect the commercial rights of Jan Kerouac's heirs in her

literary properties.  I'm certainly open to talking more about this with

you, if you need to.  I'm also enclosing my piece about Jan, which you can

use on your Website."

        Bear in mind, I said all this BEFORE MR. LASH (JAN'S HEIR) ACTUALLY

WENT TO COURT TO GET ME REMOVED AS LITERARY EXECUTOR--an action which has

made my position ten times more precarious.

        It is really exhausting to have to keep answering false charges.  I

don't see anyone throwing any charges at Mr. Sampas.  He probably suns

himself on a Caribbean beach and laughs as everybody and his brother takes

potshots at me.  DO YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR???

        On top of everything, I don't think Mr. Asher even used my own piece

on Jan Kerouac, which I offered him for free.  How come???

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Levi's Question

 

>....

>Unless you explain it better to me, this is the conclusion that I am

>forced to live with. And if that is the case then I must conclude that

>you are likely yourself to do things that are no more right than what

>you tell us to expect from your opponents.

>

>I hope that you will show me where I am wrong here....

                        (Leon Tabory)

 

                                        May 9, 1997

 

Dear Leon:

 

        The answer to Levi was just given, finally, in a post entitled "I

Swore I'd Stay out of this But..."

        Sorry about being late.  Sore throat, cold, and watching my 2 year

old every nite this week.  Plus a few other dozen things.

        This whole thing troubles me though.  I wrote Levi that detailed

letter about why he had to take PARROT FEVER off his website last July.  Why

should I have to be explaining this all over again now?

        The question is supposed to be, when is the Kerouac Archive going to

be preserved and made accessible to scholars; or, if it's not, then what

justification does Mr. Sampas have for not putting it in a library?

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Kerouac Question

 

Dear Bill,    May 9, 1997

        Well I apologize for delay, but if you've been following this list,

you realize I've turned into Audie Murphy as single-handed gunslinger

answering shots from about 30 different directions.

        It seems you've already got your answer elsewhere.  My recollection

is that Jack WAS ARRESTED AS A MATERIAL WITNESS.  That's what I wrote in

MEMORY BABE, and at the time, I had access to all the clippings of Lucien's

arrest.  (All that stuff is now under seal in the closed MEMORY BABE

collection at U, Mass, Lowell, regrettably.)

        (Thank Mr. Sampas.)

        Remember, I'm not a lawyer.  Sometimes I wish I was.  It'd save me

at least $200 an hour.

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING

 

>

>

>I had not heard the Edie K had died, when did that happen?

>

Dear Patricia Elliott:

        Thanks for your good words.

        Edie died in the fall of 1993, of heart trouble and diabetes.  She

had written to the Lowell Kerouac Committee that summer to ask if she could

be invited to participate in Kerouac Week in October of that year.  They did

not answer on that subject, but asked if they could use her photo of Jack as

a seaman as logo on their official T-shirt.  Of course, Edie said yes (she

gave away everything, never made money off JK.)  So the Lowell Kerouac

Committee missed their chance to have Edie as a guest.

        If anyone doubts this, it will be confirmed by Tim Moran, Edie's

executor.

        (Sorry for being longwinded, but I'm still pissed about Chaput

asking why I never donated to their committee.)

        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac Street

 

Ron,

 

Jack Kerouac Alley, would probably be more like it, right there by

Vesuvio and City Lights.  Don't remember the movers and shakers for this

event.  SF has been renaming little streets for literary lights, just

named a part of the Embarcadero for Herb Caen.  As far as I know JK is

the first Beat to get his own street sign.

 

 

J Stauffer

 

Ron Guest wrote:

>

>         Hoping someone in the Bay Area will know this one.  Saw Jack Kerouac

> Street recently in San Francisco.  When was this street named and who was

> responsible?  Was there some kind of ceremony? With beats?  Was Kerouac

> family there? Or did the city crew

> just roll up and put up a sign?

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 19:26:46 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: ORIGINAL vs COPY

 

At 07:47 PM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Just an aside, what would happen if  copies of all of Kerouac's papers end up

>in a Library, and the originals are sold off to the highest buyer (or

>whoever).

>

>Is it enough to just have the words-- complete, that are accessible to the

>public? DO the originals have to be available?

>

>This is a philosophical question.

>

>enjoy, Attila

>

Dear Attila,     May 9, 1997

 

        I like your questions!!!  For one, they not personal attacks, like

why don't I open my checkbook to the Lowell Kerouac Committee.

        I have conferred with a lot of library directors and archivists

about this very same question.  A few who have confirmed the following

answer are: Tom Staley of Univ. of Texas, Humanities Research Center; Tony

Bliss of Bancroft, Berkeley; and Matthew Bruccoli of Univ. of South Carolina.

        The answer is: no librarian worth his salt will deal with xeroxes

unless THAT IS ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE.  Copies are invariably imperfect;

someone leaves something out; someone mixes up the pages.  Plus original

manuscripts, esp. Kerouac's, which were often in pencil, or corrected in

pencil, have faded over the years, and xeroxes will not pick up every single

faded pencil mark.  A key word might be lost, that changes our whole

interpretation of what Kerouac thought about a particular subject.  How

often has someone sent you a xerox of an article you want to read, only to

find that the last word in each line has been cut off by the copying machine?

        THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE IN SCHOLARSHIP FOR HAVING THE ORIGINAL PAPERS

AVAILABLE FOR STUDY.

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 23:07:16 -0400

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From:         John Gregorio <Subterr7@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

I have nothing against him, but the image of  a lp "Rod Mckuen Reads Allen

Ginsberg," comes to mind.

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 22:13:31 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING

 

Gerald Nicosia wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >I had not heard the Edie K had died, when did that happen?

> >

> Dear Patricia Elliott:

>         Thanks for your good words.

>         Edie died in the fall of 1993, of heart trouble and diabetes.  She...

 

by chance I spent a lot of time with edie during the week of river city

reunion . she was a brassy broad, intelligent with her chin up.  I

always felt that their marriage was a result of a real relationship.

She certainly was generous and i am sorry to hear she is gone.  We

weren't "friends" but i was an unofficial property person for the

reunion, i have lots of used stuff.  She needed some extra carry on

luggage when she was leaving, i took samples over to her and we ended up

talking the evening away.  She seemed to me that she would  stand toe to

toe to someone.  She was with a dreadful young man, some friend. She

certainly spoke unvarnished.

I appreciate you noticing that one line.

I believe william and james were always kind to her.

patricia

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 23:20:19 -0400

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Driving Through Mythical America

 

Nick,

 

        I jumped when I saw  "On The Road with Jack and Neal and a

couple of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America!"  You grew up

in England, right? I was jerked back to 1971 and a great weird recording

called "Driving Through Mythical America" - lyrics by Clive James, singing

by Pete Atkin. The title song was a road song dealing partly with Kent

State.... nothin' Beat about it htough although a cool song.

 

        Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 23:22:26 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins

 

Gerry:

Thank you kindly. As they say out in Kansas. Yes it was Coldspring.  I

enjoyed reading the book and could see how many scholars are missing a great

opportunity. I thought it was the best example of asbstract

expressionism-Motherwell/De Kooning that I's seen. I don't know why

literature isn't presented with art as music as it used to be in some canons.

That would be fun. I l earned a great deal about the regionalism that many

Easterners take for granted as well as the fact that there is a more active

literati compared to the midwest and west. As a westerner, I had more

literary affinity with Neal and Burroughs, but I just now appreciated K's New

Englandness. When you do read my book (new edition just out..ahem..) you'll

may sense the regional differences.  I was particularly impressed by K's

discription of the March weather in New England. I like the city, but I never

quite feel at home in these old mountains and woods. I've lived here almost

30 years and still think Cooperstown is north of Cherry Valley but it is

south. In Kansas I could just look towards New England, California, Mexico or

Canada to know what direction I'm going. Speaking of which I'm driving to

Montana next week then back to North Carolina.  Pam will be reading the

beat-list.  I wish you well in the estate situation.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 23:27:05 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

In a message dated 97-05-09 21:32:49 EDT, you write:

 

<< What's everyone got against Garrison Keillor?? >>

Obviously nothing if you're from Lake Wobegon.

C. Plymell

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 23:31:54 -0400

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins

 

In a message dated 97-05-09 20:30:29 EDT, you write:

 

<< I'll try to find it in our used-book shops.

         Thanks for your insights.

         Best, Gerry Nicosia >>

 

Gerry:

Last of Moccasins has been reprinted. We have it in stock for $12.00 new

paper or $20 signed HC...

JW

WRB

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 23:55:01 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but what the hell

 

In a message dated 97-05-09 23:37:24 EDT, you write:

 

<< DO YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR??? >>

That's a reasonable question when one is dumped on in the literary world. We

tend to hold ideals that in our authors that become very mercurial. I've seen

a lot happen in the literary world. It's not just the beat generation. I've

seen so many unexplainable things happen and have built them up in my mind

either correctly or incorrectly that sometimes I have to make a conscious

effort to forget them and I love to hold grudges.

 

One person who has been dumped on especially by the academe and main stream

press is Robert Peters.  I'll post this entry that involves principles of the

beat-list of his new book Hunting the Snark of which Robert Bly said: "I

don't think people should be so incensed at Robert Peters. It's a critic's

job to be nasty--he's not a mother or an uncle."

In it are his classifications: The Billy the Kid Poem; the Dazzle Poem; the

Disney Poem; the Iowa Workshop Poem; the Trapped Wife Poem; Academic Sleaze,

Genteel Buccolism. Such are the some of the hundred plus classifications

Peters' uses in Hunting the Snark...always lucid and charming approach to

modern American poetry.  Peters sets forth precise and cogent commentary on

such luminaries as Pound, cummings, Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, Olsen, Bukowski

to name a few, but lesser known poets such as Alfred Starr Hamilton and

Charles Plymell are abundantly represented here, many given critical

attention for the first time. Available from Avisson Press, Inc. 3007

Taliaferro Rd. Greensboro, NC 27408 $20.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 21:43:34 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Jack's Intentions

 

    ....

>Gerry says the warrant isn't important, a copy will do fine.  How is

>this different than asserting that the original texts aren't important,

>scholars can do just as well with copies?  I guess I'm missing something

>here.  We also hear that it is wrong to keep letters from being

>published, presumably so as not to affect living people....

>

>J Stauffer

>

James, when art experts study the work of Toulouse-Lautrec, they look at

canvases, sketchbooks, unfinished paintings.  The originals can sometimes

reveal one drawing or painting layered on top of another. (See my post to

Attila about the importance of original manuscripts, as opposed to xeroxes.)

They don't need to see his medical test result showing he had syphilis.  On

the other hand, a biographer would like to see that test result, but a xerox

will do just as well for him.

        You'll notice I haven't yelled about Mr. Sampas selling off

Kerouac's shoes and overcoat; but I have complained about him selling off

Kerouac's library, with personal annotations written in the margins of the

books.

        The Sampases bought that warrant from the dealer Jan brought it to,

who must've called them up immediately about it, and they have been gloating

over it ever since.  But does anyone ever bring up the background?  The fact

that NYU, in their Beat conference headed by Sampas's own Ann Charters, put

the financial screws on Jan and me, making it almost impossible for us to come?

        My father, who was a street fighter in the old Italian neighborhood,

Taylor Street, in Chicago, taught me one of the first rules of the street:

"When three guys gang up on one guy, the one guy can pick up a brick ...."

        Now Jan and I were definitely ganged up on, and that warrant was her

brick.

        Every participant in the 1994 NYU Beat conference got their airfare

paid, plus a nice room at the University Suites--every participant except

Jan and me.  We told them we were bringing Paul Blake III (Paul Jr's son),

and nothing was offered for him either.  Ann Charters told us all the rooms

were filled up at the University Suites.  However, Doug Brinkley (of MAGIC

BUS fame), who was himself given a room at the University Suites, told us

there were EIGHT EMPTY ROOMS there.  Even Corso's two young sons were given

rooms and airfare--but not Jan, me, or Paul Blake III.

        For Jan, this was a real hardship, as she had to do dialysis every

six hours.  If she had been staying at the university suites, she could have

easily gotten back to her room between sessions.  As it was, she had to cab

back and forth to her room at the Gramercy Park Hotel, and missed a couple

of dialyses during the course of the conference, leaving her very weak.

        I paid my own way, but Jan paid for Paul Blake III.  If NYU had

accorded Jan and Paul the same courtesy as all the other participants, she

wouldn't have had to sell that warrant.

        Capisc'?

        As for the letters, my problem is not with any particular person who

may have asked not to be mentioned by name.  My problem is that one man,

John Sampas, is continually the boss, saying what can be published of Jack

Kerouac's, what needs to be removed from Jack's writings, what biographers

and critics can write about him, etc.  If they don't write what he likes,

they get hassled by his attorneys and/or agents, as my publisher has been,

as Steven Turner has been, as many others have been.  One man, even the most

brilliant on earth, should not be in charge of interpreting Jack Kerouac to

all the rest of us.

        That's why I left the Catholic Church, James.  God bless the Pope,

I'm sure he's a good man, but I don't want him telling me what to do in

every aspect of my life.

        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 00:59:39 -0400

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Beat-L T-Shirt Update

 

Dear fellow Beat-L members:

 

I interrupt this Estate stuff to bring you all the latest skinny regarding

the all-important Beat-L T-Shirt...

 

After a few tries, S. Clay Wilson has come up with artwork that meets the

approval of the all mighty Beat Generation List T-Shirt Approval Committee -

that is, me!! But, of course, I must also run the artwork by Web Meister

William Gargan first for his final ok. Brooklyn College has the last word...

 

I am very happy with Wilson's contribution to Beatdom and I'm sure you all

will also enjoy the art chosen for the shirt. S. Clay's rough presentation

sketch is now being

finalized into camera-ready artwork. When the final art is completed, I get

the ok to proceed and the cost to purchase the shirt is determined, I'll

notify you with those details. The T-shirt artwork will be available for

viewing on the web soon - address to follow as soon as possible.

 

Now back to the action -

 

Jeffrey

WRB

 



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