=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:57:05 PDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Real name
<digress@ELLENSBURG.COM>
Subject: ESTATE DETAILS You guys are so
> In the heat of the night here a few
nights ago, exhausted and
>punchy,
I called you a
<respectful snip>
> But you turn right around and call me a
<respectful snip>
Deep,
linear, alone
can't break free of plodding over the
deep muddy landcape.
by all means keep calling...deep
minds, soaring souls, nutty genius
I am too direct..."U now know all, see
all, ...28 deep breaths 4 U"
...the pain & fear, we all
go through.
Self-control is too good a censor
for me but I hustle
to make her stay...lest I be
trouble. Interior design the
pulsing mental room.
What INPUTS-- a moderated mind
is everyone's right
.
My
1/20th of a cent worth....do please
keep calling
www.ellensburg.com/~digress
"We
recognize that there are no trivial occurrences in life if we get the
right
focus on them."
-- Mark Twain, 1906
quoted in _Susy and Mark Twain: Family Dialogues_
arranged and edited by Edith Colgate Salsbury
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:00:43 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Gerald Nicosia
<gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: correction
To all
followers of the Great Debate:
I made an inadvertent slip in my last
post, "Re: Estate Details."
On point 3) I wrote that "Jan
knew that if Stella's will was
disqualified,
Paul would get a full third of the multi-million dollar estate."
Of course what I meant to write was
"if Gabrielle's will was
disqualified." Stella's will has never been an issue.
Just tired.
Best, Gerry
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:57:31 -0700
Reply-To: letabor@cruzio.com
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Leon Tabory
<letabor@CRUZIO.COM>
Comments:
To: "Pranksters hit Cleveland"@cruzio.com
Thank
you Dave. This is some lame description. I am still a bit
disoriented.
I feel like I am witnessing/participaing in a privileged
historic
moment all over again. It too will grow as life goes on. I sure
am glad
of the reality of our list, the depth of feeling and, etc. Thank
you
Bill Gargan for your wision and energy to start all this. We will
come
out of the morass yet, including fogged dreams that shadow us.
leon
>MORE
OXY THAN MORON wrote:
>
>
Kesey and the Pranksters hit Cleveland about 2:30 in the afternoon,
>
just after Donavan finished a set (which I missed). A good size crowd cheered
( I am > > no good at guessing numbers)
as they pulled up with about five
people on the roof,
>
one waving a large American flag. Ken Babbs took to the microphone for a bit
>
while they de-bussed and answered some questions. Country Joe came on and did
a
>
great set including the Woodstock version of the FISH CHEER. After Joe the
>
Pranksters came on and Ken led then in a version of G-L-O-R-I-A.
>
>
Big Brother and the Holding Company finished up with a Janis clone who was
>
actually pretty good. I thought it was a bit depressing though, to go and make
> a
living this way with the Janis clone but hopefully, they do it only on
>
special occaisions.
>
>
The reception was from 7-9 and was fun because you got to see the musuem
>
menbers in their glitzy wear contrasted with the Pranksters, still in
>
Prankster-wear. I asked Ken Babbs about joining BEAT-L and he said
>
"Yeah...someday maybe..." he was pretty tired and had had a few
drinks so who
>
knows. Kesey was asleep and showewd up later on and by that time, I forgot to
>
ask him about joining BEAT-L. They fired up the "Thunder Machine"
which is a
>
combination go-cart and one-man-band. Ken was inside speaking through a
>
microphone which boomed through the whole musuem. Babbs was another microphone
>
while someone plucked on some stings on the side while another beat on the
>
built-in drum. The few leftover Pranksters took some of Ken's weed and fired
up
> a
big bowl, damn, it was a pretty fine time, the food was good and the booze
>
was un-limited.
>
> AS
for the exhibit, I WANT TO TAKE YOU HIGHER, is well worth a look if you are
> in
the Cleveland area. It was not as extensive as I thought but what they had
>
was great....Some Hunter Thompson letters, the guitar Lennon used during his
>
and Yoko's 8 day bed-in, a lot of Bill Graham's stuff, Mouse Studio posters,
>
you get the picture...
>
>
Finally, Kesey's play TWISTER will open in NYC in about a month. Viking will
>
release the combo book and video at about the same time. Excuse the lame
>
description of the events but I am still a bit tired. When I finally left the
>
reception, the bus was still parked out front in the dark, except for a black
>
light inside that made the whole day-glo interior catch on fire, ah, what a
>
sight that was. My daughter kissed the bus on the hood before a guard chased
us
>
away.
>
>
Dave B.
> .-
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:39:20 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: name game <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS I immediatley cooled
down
.....
1)Why
wouldn't you think
He is
doing
money
when
I am
>in
a position that is forged
argument....
>distort
the truth
has
never done anything
>good.
shut
down the
the
issues
like
big hero....
>
start
by
bashing
people
promoting
>appropriate
celebration
>
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:56:55 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Gerald Nicosia
<gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS You guys are so
>My
1/20th of a cent worth....do please
keep calling
>www.ellensburg.com/~digress
>
>"We
recognize that there are no trivial occurrences in life if we get the
>right
focus on them."
>
> -- Mark Twain, 1906
> quoted in _Susy and Mark Twain: Family Dialogues_
> arranged and edited by Edith Colgate Salsbury
>
Dear
Ellensburg caller: May 11, 1997
Jan Kerouac dwelt in Ellensburg,
Washington, for many years. Did
you
know her?
Best, Gerry Nicosia
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:26:24 PDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Mike Pearson
<digress@ELLENSBURG.COM>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS You guys are so
At
09:56 PM 5/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>My
1/20th of a cent worth....do please
keep calling
>>www.ellensburg.com/~digress
>>
>>"We
recognize that there are no trivial occurrences in life if we get the
>>right
focus on them."
>>
>> -- Mark Twain, 1906
>> quoted in _Susy and Mark Twain: Family Dialogues_
>> arranged and edited by Edith Colgate Salsbury
>>
>Dear
Ellensburg caller: May 11, 1997
> Jan Kerouac dwelt in Ellensburg,
Washington, for many years. Did
>you
know her?
> Best, Gerry Nicosia
>
Dear
Gerry,
Wow! Far as I know have not become
acquainted. Silly me. Cool!
Someone
here will know her, I guess.
Wishes,
Mike
http://www.ellensburg.com/~digress/gowhence.htm
www.ellensburg.com/~digress
"We
recognize that there are no trivial occurrences in life if we get the
right
focus on them."
-- Mark Twain, 1906
quoted in _Susy and Mark Twain: Family Dialogues_
arranged and edited by Edith Colgate Salsbury
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:33:55 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Malcolm Lawrence
<Malcolm@WOLFENET.COM>
Subject: Rolling Stone's tribute to Allen
Ginsberg
Well,
Rolling Stone finally pulled through with quite a nice spread as a
tribute
to Allen Ginsberg in their new issue which subscribers got
yesterday.
They talked to everybody. EVERYbody. (Except for Dylan for some
strange
reason.) I don't even want to spoil the
surprises, so just look
for the
new issue.
Cheers,
Malcs
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:24:15 PDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Mike Pearson
<digress@ELLENSBURG.COM>
Subject: to make me a fool is too easy
Wink?
Not
start bashing people...no..no
At
09:39 PM 5/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>.....
>1)Why
wouldn't you think
>
>He
is doing
>money
when
>I
am
>>in
a position that is forged
>argument....
>
>
>>distort
the truth
>has
never done anything
>>good.
>shut
down the
>the
issues
>like
big hero....
>>
>start
by
>bashing
people
>
>
>promoting
>
>>appropriate
>celebration
>
>
>
>>
>
>
www.ellensburg.com/~digress
"We
recognize that there are no trivial occurrences in life if we get the
right
focus on them."
-- Mark Twain, 1906
quoted in _Susy and Mark Twain: Family Dialogues_
arranged and edited by Edith Colgate Salsbury
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:51:54 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: William Morgan
<Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ginsberg's archive
Dear
Gerry:
Thanks
for filling in the picture about Allen's refusal to send something for
your
Jan K. benefit. You certainly seem
entitled to use the word "refused",
so
sorry to have mentioned it. I do think
that Allen, although far from
being a
saint, was generous almost to a fault, and regardless of what you
might
have heard was the greatest supporter of Gregory Corso for over 40
years. Your other points are well taken but again
there is a big difference
between
art works smuggled out of other countries for sale in auction houses
and the
sale of a Beat item to someone in another country. I disagree with
you
that the Beats are an American treasure, still think that international
influences
and associations makes them world treasures.
Good luck in your
projects.
Bill
Morgan
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:21:45 CDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Wes Lundburg
<wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>
Subject: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
I just
picked this CD up the other day ("Kicks, Joy, Darkness", released by
Ryko),
have mixed responses to it, and am wondering how others feel. It's a
collection
of folks like AG, WSB, Hunter S. Thompson, Lee Ranaldo, Johnny Depp,
Matt
Dillion, and others all reading Jack's work.
Some is set to some
(interesting,
but) good music . . . but I think some of the reading stinks. AG,
of
course, does a great job, as does WSB and some others (I like Ranaldo's
work),
but Michael Stipe (REM lead singer) does a really poor job . . . should
stick
to the music he writes/sings. His
reading seemed so lifeless. Usually
collections
like this are mostly good with a few bad cuts, or the other way
around. In Kicks, Joy, Darkness, though, some are
very good, and others are
very
(VERY) bad.
What do
others think?
Regards,
---Wes
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:26:57 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Paul McDonald, TeleReference
LA, Main Info Services"
<PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>
Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's tribute to Allen
Ginsberg
Dylan
seems to really be private when it comes to his friends dying. I don't
remember
if he released a public statement when Jerry Garcia died, but a
friend
of mine was at the private ceremony for JG and said that Dylan was very
upset
at the death of his friend. I only
remember him making one statement
when
someone died and that was at the death of Roy Orbison and all he said
was
that Roy was an opera singer and had the greatest voice.
I think
Dylan's silence is not indicative of anything except a painful sense
of
loss.
Paul
McDonald
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:43:40 -0500
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Nick Weir-Williams
<nweir-w@NWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Driving Through Mythical America
Hey
Antoine, yeh you got it... I nearly attributed it then I thought who the
hell
even on this wonderful list would ever have heard of Pete Atkin. He
made
four or five albums, all with similar weird (and sometimes very
pretentious,
but hey I was only 14) lyrics. There was a wonderful track
called
"Wristwatch For A Drummer" about Max Roach and jazz drummers.. Pete
Atkin
is now a senior producer at the BBC, Clive James of course went on to
megastardom
on TV. Saw them perform both together live in Cambridge too, an
album
of parodies of songsters of the time with especially a brilliant James
Taylor
impersonation (remember him). Ah, nostalgia. Sorry for no Beat
content
everyone else.
Nick
>Nick,
>
> I jumped when I saw "On The Road with Jack and Neal and a
>couple
of cute furry friends Driving Through Mythical America!" You grew up
>in
England, right? I was jerked back to 1971 and a great weird recording
>called
"Driving Through Mythical America" - lyrics by Clive James, singing
>by
Pete Atkin. The title song was a road song dealing partly with Kent
>State....
nothin' Beat about it htough although a cool song.
>
> Antoine
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in
Montreal
>
> "An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
> -- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
>
>
**************************************************************************
*Nil
Carborundum Illegitimis*
It's
better to die on your feet than to live on your knees
Nick
Weir-Williams
Director,
Northwestern University Press, 625 Colfax Street, Evanston, IL 60208
President,
Illinois Book Publishers Association
List
Manager, chipub listserv
ph: 847 491 8114
fax:
847 491 8150
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:33:35 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization:
Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<9704128634.AA863453001@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
wes
& co.
sure i
agree some of the tracks are gonna be played infrequently around
here
too esp. the julianna hatfield "silly goofball poems" (a little too
"cute"
for me, but...) and personally i think that the HSThompson piece is
quite
fantastic esp when thot of at %:00am w/ his lawyer , etc. genius.
the
stipe track is a little flat but i think that it some how fits with
stipes
singing - usually quite like the vocals on "my gang" no? and y'know
also
the eddie vedder track is a little lame, but... on the whole quite an
accomplishment
- and that visions of cody track by robert hunter - what
inspiration,
wow!
yrs
derek
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:11:26 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.A32.3.93.970512083023.32228A-100000@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>
On Mon,
12 May 1997, Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
sure i agree some of the tracks are gonna be played infrequently around
>
here too esp. the julianna hatfield "silly goofball poems" (a little
too
>
"cute" for me, but...)
yeah i
thought this and the vedder track were the worst... also, the maggie
estep
reading was absolutely totally amazing, blew me away.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:17:52 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "M. Cakebread"
<cake@IONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's tribute to
A.G./Dylan-Garcia
At
10:26 AM 5/12/97 -0400, Paul McDonald wrote:
>Dylan
seems to really be private when it comes to
>his
friends dying. I don'tremember if he
released
>a
public statement when Jerry Garcia died, but a
>friend
of mine was at the private ceremony for JG
>and
said that Dylan was very upset at the death of his
>friend.
Here
uze go:
>We
discovered that Bob Dylan had more to say about
>Jerry
Garcia than what we printed the other day. So here
>is
the full text of Dylan's comments: "There's no way to
>measure
his greatness or magnitude as a person or as
>a
player. I don't think any eulogizing will do him
>justice.
He was that great, much more than a superb
>musician
with an uncanny ear and dexterity.
>He
is the very spirit personified of whatever is muddy
>river
country at its core and screams up
>into
the spheres. He really had no equal. To me he
>wasn't
only a musician and a friend, he was
>more
like a big brother who taught and showed me
>more
than he'll ever know. There's a lot of spaces and
>advances
between the Carter family, Buddy Holly and
>say,
Ornette Coleman, a lot of universes, but he filled
>them
all without being a member of any school. His
>playing
was moody, awesome, sophisticated, hypnotic
>and
subtle. There's no way to convey the loss. It just
>digs
down real deep."
This is
from, "Music News of the World - August 15,
1995"
http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/95-08-15.html
Mike
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:49:53 EST
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Clay Vaughan
<CLV100U@MOZART.FPA.ODU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
I agree
there are going to be the rarely played cuts, but I'd have to
say
among the highs for me were the Strummer/Kerouac "collaboration"
(a
great bit of editing work there), Burroughs' Western piece, and I
was
surprised to like both the Warren Zevon reading as well as
Depp's,
though it was probably the work itself as much as the
reading;
it's just plain hard to fail with works such as they
read.
And as far as music aside from the jazz-based accompaniments,
John
Cale's translation of "The Moon" is incredible in its sense of
isolation.
Lydia Lunch, too, added quite an edge to the piece she
did.
And
weirdly, I didn't mind the Hatfield number so much. And it IS a
little
cutesy, but in relation to so many dark performances on the CD,
it's a
welcome contrast. It shows off Kerouac's considerable sense of
humor
and zen lunacy.
Clay
Vaughan
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:32:05 CDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Wes Lundburg
<wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
derek,
clay, and anybody else interested in this thread...
I agree
that the Juliana (forgot last name) reading is far too cutesy, but see
Clay's point
that it might be refreshing (but, sorry Clay, I agree with derek on
that
one). I especially like WSB's reading,
and Allen Ginsberg's, but now I'm
wondering
if that's because I like to listen to both of them read...??? Hmmm.
That
brings me to another question: do I not like some of the readings because
they
deviate too much from the sound of Jack's voice in my inner ear. I've
listened
to him read quite a bit, and now read with his work with his pattern.
derek:
Not being very familiar with Hunter Thompson (with him, yes, but not his
work),
is that typical of his readings? You
praise it. I can't. Is it a case
of
"if you like him, you'll like anything he does"? It just seemed so . . .
unorganized,
unplanned, ungood. I didn't feel like
it did the work justice...
seemed
so, oh, unholy! I got a feeling in HST
of "okay, fuck, if I have to read
this,
let me get it over with." Some of
that comes from his under-the-breath
comments.
On
Stipe's reading: yes, it IS like his singing.
But that's the problem I have
with
it. It works in his songs, with REM's
music, but it didn't work here. It
just
rang hollow . . . not depressing, not artistically reflective of the work--
just
hollow.
I do
like the Johhny Depp reading, although I hate to admit it (don't ask me
why, I
just don't like him).
Still,
I would recommend this CD to at least listen to, if not buy. If you're a
fan of
Sonic Youth, this is a must buy as most of the music is similar (of
course,
there's Lee Ranaldo to help with that).
---Wes
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:43:54 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Shannon L. Stephens"
<shanstep@CS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<9704128634.AA863460932@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
A
thread I can get into.
Let me
say this re: kicks, joy....
The jim
caroll/Mr. Morphine guy WOMAN bit is fantastic.
I want
to put it on my answering machine.
I wish
to have it read at my funeral.
Like a
hankerchief in the wind-
Shan
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:56:00 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization:
Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<9704128634.AA863460932@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
On Mon,
12 May 1997, Wes Lundburg wrote:
>
derek: Not being very familiar with Hunter Thompson (with him, yes, but not
his
>
work), is that typical of his readings?
You praise it. I can't. Is it a
case
> of
"if you like him, you'll like anything he does"? It just seemed so . . .
>
unorganized, unplanned, ungood. I
didn't feel like it did the work justice...
> seemed
so, oh, unholy! I got a feeling in HST
of "okay, fuck, if I have to
read
>
this, let me get it over with."
Some of that comes from his under-the-breath
>
comments.
wes,
uh well
yr right about the wsb reading - its just incredible (more & more
tracks
now rushing to my head about this cd, wit it not in front of me, me
trapped
at work, egad!) anyway - contrasting the wsb "western" reading of
"old
western movies" with kerouac's singing, floating version as on the
kerouac
box set.
as for
hst - how could you be familiar with him but not his work? and well
his
voice ive never heard his voice before this cd, and its exactly what i
thot it
would sound like. the 5:00am rush somehow fits with his books, etc
and i
think that i would have been disappointed with something done sober
in the
daylight, no?
and yr
right about the unorganized thing im sure that he just realized
that oh
shit gotta do this and so lets just do it, now, in the moment (a
la jack
no?) and the style i think was perfect thompson especially the
feedback
crash at the end of his little reading, y'know? ( i wonder if his
poem
was improv - "4 dogs went into the widerness, only 3 came back. 3
dogs
died of guiny worm, the other dies of you - jack kerouac" etc etc.
yrs
derek
ps:
does any one have other recordings of hunter reading, etc? and any
comments
on the newly released book of hst letters _proud highway_ (which
seems
to be vol.1 of 3!!)
d
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:09:59 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
Subject: Re: linux
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.GSO.3.93.970511111334.19032B-100000@sky.net>
J--
>
Just curious. How many Linux users are there on Beat-L?
I doubt
very many (yet), but it's cool to see that at least someone else on
the
list is.
When I
went to Naropa a few summers ago I checked out the Beat Book Store in
Boulder.
Pretty cool place -- I got lost browsing through lots and lots of
Beat
and otherwise countercultural books, but some of the top books on my
wantlist
that summer weren't Beat at all -- namely, Terence McKenna's 2013
mushroom
treatise and Ted Nelson's _Literary Machines_ and _Computer Lib_.
The
latter is the first countercultural computer book (ca. '74) and the
former
is a good outline of the hypertext systems of the future. Since the
one
book was at least in the Whole Earth Review sphere of things and the
other
was about future electronic writing systems I figured there was at
least a
chance they'd have them at the BBS (couldn't find them in any
mainstream
outlets, that's for sure). But when I asked the proprietor
(sitting
on a chair wearing a Kerouac shirt) he looked at me like I was
rambling
incoherently during the final stages of a shroom comedown, barely
letting
out a "No, we ain't got no _computer_ books here," before
quietly
laughing to himself.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:15:15 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<9704128634.AA863460932@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
On Mon,
12 May 1997, Wes Lundburg wrote:
>
derek: Not being very familiar with Hunter Thompson (with him, yes, but not
his
>
work), is that typical of his readings?
You praise it. I can't. Is it a
case
> of
"if you like him, you'll like anything he does"? It just seemed so . . .
>
unorganized, unplanned, ungood.
I
thought it pretty typical HST. In readings etc. he comes off as a drunken,
doped-up
slob (which he probably is), but his writing is very fine. Even
through
all his shenanigans there's a certain precision which comes through
in all
his writings, and I'm not sure you get it during his spoken word,
where
the drunken craziness is more in the forefront.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:40:07 -0500
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Nick Weir-Williams
<nweir-w@NWU.EDU>
Subject: British Beats
No-one
came up with much in the quest for British Beats. But I just read
that
the novelist Will Self was hired to cover the recebt election for a
newspaper
to give an unorthodox viewpoint, and was fired after one article
after
admitting taking heroin in the toilet of the Prime Minister's campaign
jet.
Dunno about his writing, but that seemed an indisputably Beat act.
Nick
**************************************************************************
*Nil
Carborundum Illegitimis*
It's
better to die on your feet than to live on your knees
Nick
Weir-Williams
Director,
Northwestern University Press, 625 Colfax Street, Evanston, IL 60208
President,
Illinois Book Publishers Association
List
Manager, chipub listserv
ph: 847 491 8114
fax:
847 491 8150
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:56:05 EST
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Clay Vaughan
<CLV100U@MOZART.FPA.ODU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
Wes,
I've been having those same thoughts, questioning my reasons for
liking
some pieces and not others... I mean, I feel fairly secure
that
the work is driven ultimately by the words, and then by the
speaker,
although it's true that Kerouac's delivery of his own work
is
unsurpassed and probably the primary reason why the Strummer piece
is so
good in my mind.
And
too, you're right; I basically LIKE hearing Ginsberg and
Burroughs
read, whatever it is, though lately, hearing Ginsberg read
Mexico
City Blues, I found myself tiring of him probably for the
first
time. No dislike there, but it was a case of hearing Kerouac
read
some of those same poems and KNOWING how they sound coming out
of
Kerouac's mind.... and then this happened again on Brooklyn Bridge
Blues,
and in my mind I was hearing Kerouac and his mind and humor,
though
in the words some of this was a little lacking in Ginsberg's
recitation.
No dire comment, this, just an observation.
Clay
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:07:20 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Gerald Nicosia
<gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Overview, Part One
Dear
Beat-List folks: May 12, 1997
A few days ago there was a post from
Leon Tabory, deporing the "very
tasteless,
rude" interruption that I had caused in his daily reading of
Beat-List
postings, by precipitating a flood of Estate Fight messages.
Let me assure Mr. Tabory that this
will not go on forever. In fact,
I am on
the verge of calling a halt to it right now.
I do believe that,
after
six years' work on a major biography, the only critical biography, of
Kerouac,
and many more years writing articles and lecturing about the Beats
at
libraries, bookstores, and not a few universities, I earned a right to
speak
out here for a couple of weeks.
Mr. Rod Anstee, who seems to have
disappeared from the list, was
actually
one of the prime causes of my appearance here.
Since 1983 (if
memory
serves right) Mr. Anstee has been contacting me for help with his
writing
projects. I have supplied him with
countless documents, names,
addresses,
phone numbers, etc., to help him along.
I have also praised his
textual
scholarship on some of Kerouac's works, such as MEXICO CITY BLUES.
A few
years ago Mr. Anstee let me know that he was archiving all my letters
and
papers, and so I told him he could become a repository for all the
documents
I had regarding the Kerouac Estate Fight.
To all intents and
appearances,
Mr. Anstee spoke and acted as if he were my friend.
Then Mr. Joe Grant informed me that
Mr. Anstee was saying some very
nasty
things about me on the Beat-List. Mr.
Grant is a writer and publisher
of the
highest integrity, who fought the prison system at Fort Leavenworth
and a
great many other very tough causes throughout his life; he is hardly a
patsy
whom I have brainwashed, as Mr. Anstee would have you believe. The
things
Rod was saying were not only "nasty"--which Rod has chosen as his
email
name--but dangerously misleading and, at times, out-and-out wrong.
There are names for a person who says
they are your friend, and then
attacks
you behind your back. None of those
names are pretty, and I won't
repeat
them here.
It occurred to me immediately that Mr.
Anstee had probably sent my
whole
file of documents down to Mr. Sampas.
While that will certainly make
Sampas's
legal maneuvering easier, I have nothing to hide, and they can
spend
the next 1000 hours burrowing through all my papers, if they wish,
seeking
something scurrilous I have said about the Sampases, or something
self-incriminating. They won't find it.
I have never sought to hurt Mr.
Sampas. I have even had people tell
me,
"Won't it be great?! If you win in
Florida, you'll get to watch Sampas
squirm!" My reply is always: "I'll be happy to
see Jack Kerouac's papers
preserved,
and I'll be happy to see actual Kerouac's (like Paul Blake) get
some
benefit from the great writer's estate."
That will be the sum total of
my
reaction. If Mr. Sampas is unhappy over
losing some money (which is all
he
stands to lose), I will not crow about it, nor rejoice at his misery. I
have
spent too many years learning to practice Christian teachings to allow
myself
to hate another human being, or to gloat over someone else's
suffering--both
of which only hurt the person who bears the grudge.
As for Mr. Anstee, he has repeatedly
pointed out my supposed selfish
motives
in all this. But I felt it was
duplicitous for him to question my
motives
while failing to tell the Beat-List readers that he had met
privately
with John Sampas and purchased several items from Jack Kerouac's
archive
for his (Anstee's) personal collection.
There is no doubt that he
would
love to purchase some more, but he must first win his way back into
Mr.
Sampas's favor. And there is,
apparently, no better way to ingratiate
oneself
with John Sampas than to attack Gerald Nicosia.
By the way, Mr. Anstee has not resold
HIS KEROUAC PURCHASES to the
New
York Public Library. In fact, most of
the people who purchased Kerouac
items
from Sampas have not resold them to any library. I have followed the
history
of several of these items out here in California, and they have
gotten
divvied up and resold from collector to collector, often at the big
antiquarian
bookseller shows.
This brings me round to the BIG ISSUE,
which all the smoke and
mirrors
from amateur (but persistent) magician Phil Chaput have sought to
obscure. I refer to Phil as an amateur not to put him
down, but to clearly
reveal
his credentials, just as I have now revealed Anstee's.
Phil Chaput is not recognized as a
scholar anywhere, to the best of
my
knowledge. I am recognized as a
preeminent literary and Kerouac scholar
around
the world. My point is not to boast; my
point is only this: that I
certainly
know a lot more about the requirements of literary scholarship
than
Mr. Chaput.
A literary scholar needs access to
every note, every notebook, and
every
draft of a manuscript before he can write sound, in-depth analysis of
a
work. When I was at the New York Public
Library with Jan, for example, we
saw a
few of Kerouac's hand-printed notebooks for a small section of
DESOLATION
ANGELS. Mr. Phillips could not say
whether they had come
directly
from John Sampas. But if I were a
scholar working on a textual
study
of DESOLATION ANGELS, I would need the entire first draft of that
novel,
plus all the RETYPED DRAFTS (and I know by Jack's letters that there
were
several). Moreover, I would like access
to all the little
breast-pocket
notebooks and all the correspondence he wrote (carbon copies)
and all
the letters he received that dealt with it.
I'd also like to look
at what
books Kerouac was reading while he was writing DESOLATION ANGELS,
and I'd
check out every marginal note Kerouac made in other people's books
during
that period.
Again, the New York Public Library now
has the notebooks that MEXICO
CITY
BLUES were hand-printed in. Mr. Anstee
got to see these notebooks, and
they
enabled him to do some marvelous literary criticism, because they
showed
that Kerouac often wrote the choruses out of sequence and wrote
letters
and other sketches in between them. But
to do an even better
analysis,
we would need to see the various RETYPED DRAFTS of the book, and
to the
best of my knowledge, THOSE ARE NOT IN THE LIBRARY. Nor are all the
other
types of material that I mentioned in the paragraph above.
Much of this ancillary material has
already been sold off, and can
never
be recaptured in one place. If John Sampas is sincere about his desire
to help
Kerouac scholarship, then he will immediately put EVERYTHING HE HAS
LEFT,
EVERYTHING HE HAS NOT YET SOLD OFF, ON DEPOSIT IN ONE PLACE. For all
Mr.
Chaput's ballyhoo, I can point out more than a dozen important
manuscripts
(both first drafts and subsequent drafts) that ARE NOT ON
PERMANENT
DEPOSIT (AND NOT ACCESSIBLE) IN THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY (or
any
other library):
ON THE ROAD
THE DHARMA BUMS
DR. SAX
THE SUBTERRANEANS
VISIONS OF GERARD
VISIONS OF CODY
BIG SUR
LONESOME TRAVELLER
VANITY OF DULUOZ
most of DESOLATION ANGELS
THE SCRIPTURE OF THE GOLDEN ETERNITY
PIC
(not to mention half a dozen more
unpublished books, such as BOOK OF
SKETCHES
and the unfinished novel about Lowell that Kerouac called MEMORY BABE*)
Can you imagine trying to doing
meaningful textual analysis of
Kerouac--or
a study of the development of his composition process--without
access
to ANY of those books in their original form(s)? IMPOSSIBLE!!! Yet
that is
the situation Kerouac scholars find themselves in today.
That is the situation I would like to
see rectified.
More later -- Gerry Nicosia
(*By the way, Mr. Sampas claims as one
of his gripes that I "stole"
this
title. I actually got "Memory
Babe" from a clammer in Northport, Long
Island,
Adolph Rothman, who told me at the beginning of my journey: "You've
got to
call your book 'Memory Babe' because that's what Jack always called
himself
around here--he was really proud of that nickname.")
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:17:53 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: John Mitchell
<mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>
Subject: Ginsberg Question: AH
When
Ginsberg autographed books after readings, he usually wrote AH! What
does
this sigature expression mean, refer to, express--just another form of
OM! or
something else? //John M.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:49:59 +0100
Reply-To: or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Olly Ruff
<or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<9704128634.AA863453001@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
On Mon,
12 May 1997, Wes Lundburg wrote:
> I
just picked this CD up the other day ("Kicks, Joy, Darkness",
released by
>
Ryko), have mixed responses to it, and am wondering how others feel. It's a
After
listening to it a lot recently, I'm starting to get a little more of
a
grip... the HST is endearing but lightweight... Johnny Depp acquits
himself
pretty well, & the Anna Domino (? I think...) is really good
reading
; lots of the tracks are actually enlivened by the accompaniment
rather
than, as I was afraid, trivialised or otherwise defocussed. The WSB
track
is perfectly filmmusic complemented... & my current favourite is the
Ferlinghetti
one, not because the reading is outstanding, but that when
combined
with that unsettling line of chimes it becomes downright
insidious,
friends. Ginsberg rules. As does Ranaldo & whoever did "have
you
ever seen a face like Cody Pomeray...?"
>
work), but Michael Stipe (REM lead singer) does a really poor job . . . should
>
stick to the music he writes/sings. His
reading seemed so lifeless.
Now
this is weird, because that one I love... to me another case of voice
&
backing in synch. It didn't strike me as lifeless, more *toneless*... &
by
about halfway thru when the random keyboard prods pick up speed it
seemed
that the whole thing had become a rhythmic exercise... more than
anyone
I thought his approach turned the work into something else... it
picks
up momentum as it goes and sometimes, in a contradictory kind of
way,
the emotion comes through all the more powerful for being understated
;
meaning that if it's implicit in the words and then absent from the
voice...
the overall effect is disorienting & nice. I suppose it's a
matter
of taste.
Olly R.
p.s>
a (shamefully offtopic) line from the new Mark Eitzel lp :
"...the rain has passed over
& the sky is clear with wind, & I'm a
pearl
diver... so you can tell the cops I was looking for pearls in the
frozen
water, saying goodbye with nothing left to discover..."
I just
felt I had to share that with everyone.
____________________________________________________________________
"If I had a gun... I would
give you your freedom."
____________________________________________________________________
or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
skink@imrryr.org
____________________________________________________________________
>
>
What do others think?
>
>
Regards,
>
---Wes
>
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:07:08 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization:
Calgary Free-Net
Subject: rbt hunter & cody pomeray...
Comments:
To: Olly Ruff <or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970512171104.16944A-100000@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk>
olly
and co.
whoever
did "did you ever see aface like cody pomeray's?" alas olly - that
would
be the illustrious Mr.Rbt Hunter - known in certain circles as the
genius
(along with john perry barlow who has gone on to great fame &
little
fortune as net guru & visionary...) behind the lyrics of the
grateful
dead(as well as dylan in a few
cases).
and currently touring on his own thru-out usa all alone with his
guitar
& pedals. if you get a chance go and recapture the slightest of
glimpses
of what the dead were and could have been, alas poor yorick i
knew
him well, he was a man of infinite jest...
ah
derek
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:32:16 -0700
Reply-To: vic.begrand@sk.sympatico.ca
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Adrien Begrand
<vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
a long-overdue
return from the depths of lurkdom...
I think
Kicks Joy Darkness is a wonderful tribute to Jack...even though
some
readings are better than others it's obvious every artist on the
disc
has a deep love for Kerouac's poetry.
Thoughts
on the standout tracks (in my opinion at least):
Hunter
S Thompson's ode to Jack: at first I thought 'what the hell was
that?'
but it gets funnier every time I hear it!
Richard
Lewis' American Trinity of Love: This was the biggest
surprise...Lewis
abandons his neurotic Jewish comedian shtick and shows
actual
talent impersonating Kerouac.
Ferlinghetti,
Ginsberg, Burroughs: Kerouac heard through three of his
peers,
three different voices, and they all work (especially
Ginsberg's...I
think he's one of the best at reading Jack's material, no
one was
closer to Jack and his writing).
Juliana
Hatfield's Silly Goofball Pomes: I can't believe some people are
down on
this one...she gives a fresh, whimsical reading, which is what
Jack
probably intended. It's a refreshing departure from the usual
morose
feel of some of Jack's other pomes.
John
Cale's The Moon: One of the very best, perfectly interpreted.
Prose
readings by Johnny Depp, Robert Hunter, and Lee Ranaldo: all three
have a
good feel for how Jack's prose should be read...they all reflect
the
energy that's in Jack's work.
Waren
Zevon's 'Wiiiinnnne' pome: Hilarious, slightly cynical little
tribute
to one of Jack's favorite pastimes. Zevon really has a great
voice,
he should read Kerouac on record more often.
Among
the less-than-great tracks...Maggie Estep (more shtick, this time
the
angry loud New Yawk bitchy poet hipster lady...can she actually read
something
without coming off as totally obnoxious? Quiet down for a
change!),
Eddie Vedder (genx's emerging version of Wacko Jacko, the guy
seems
to have lost touch with humanity), Rob Buck and Danny Chauvin (the
only
true screwup on the cd, flubbed lines and no feeling whatsoever),
Patti
Smith (a little goes a long way, enough already).
Even
though there are some below-average readings, they are still honest
tributes...it's
nice to hear 25 different interpretations of Kerouac,
the
variety keeps it fresh. I heartily recommend this cd to any Kerouac
fan, it
should be essential listening.
Adrien
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:33:29 -0700
Reply-To: vic.begrand@sk.sympatico.ca
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Adrien Begrand
<vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
Is
there anyone else on Beat-l who thinks the whole Merry Prankster
reuinion
tour thing is a totally pathetic attempt to revisit a time that
has
entirely vanished and an even lamer attempt at bleeding the wallets
of
suit&tie ex-hippies and younger hippie wannabes?
Sure,
the pranksters seemed to have a rather novel idea at the time, but
for me
the whole hippie thing of the sixties today seems shallow. Why do
these
people keep clinging to the past? Ginsberg kept moving forward
after
being an iconic figure in the flower power movement. The Grateful
Dead
continued to do new things for years. Ken Kesey seems to be a
talented
guy (Cuckoo's nest was brilliant) but with all his dwelling on
a time
which has long since passed he comes off as nothing more than a
burnout
desperately in need of a career boost. How long will Country Joe
keep
singing his fixin-to-die rag and his eff-you-see-kay cheer?
I saw
an interview with Kesey and the pranksters a couple days ago, and
despite
their earnestness they looked nothing more than a pathetic
retread.
I
really have no intention of offending anybody (just spoutin off)...I'd
like to
hear what you all think about this to perhaps make me a little
less
biased.
Adrien
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:33:13 -0700
Reply-To: vic.begrand@sk.sympatico.ca
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Adrien Begrand
<vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: Ginsberg Question: AH
John
Mitchell wrote:
>
>
When Ginsberg autographed books after readings, he usually wrote AH! What
>
does this sigature expression mean, refer to, express--just another form of
>
OM! or something else? //John M.
>From
Collected Poems (p.791):
"...one
syllable summary of Prajnaparamita sutra; mantra for
purification
of speech, and appreciation of space; related to Samatha
meditation
practice, mindfulness of outbreath; a vocalization of the
outbreath."
>From
Holy Soul Jelly Roll liner notes (p.21):
"During
the 1968 Democratic Convention I did a lot of chanting "Om" to
calm
myself, police, and crowds, and sometimes it worked. But in 1972
during
a near-riot...in Boulder I asked Chogyam Trungpa [Allen's
Buddhist
teacher], "Is there any mantra that can calm people down?" And
he
said, "Why don't you try 'Ah'?"...[I] got in the middle of the group
who were
going off to blockade a highway and started chanting "Ah" after
asking
them to chant with me. Everybody sat down, then we discussed
strategy
calmly rather than as a hysterical mob. "Om" closes out at the
end but
"Ah" leaves the mouth open, breath goes out [see Ginsberg's Mind
Breaths
poem for more]. On the 4th of July you see the fireworks and say
"Ah",
or you recognize something and say "Ah!" When Trungpa said "Why
don't
you try 'Ah'?" he joined an American sound with Himalayan wisdom,
and
I've used it ever since. "Ah" for recognition, appreciation, the
intelligence
of speech joining body and mind and for a measure of the
breath."
Adrien
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:32:52 -0700
Reply-To: letabor@cruzio.com
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Leon Tabory
<letabor@CRUZIO.COM>
Comments:
To: linux@cruzio.com
Michael
Stutz wrote:
>
>
J--
>
>
> Just curious. How many Linux users are there on Beat-L?
>
> I
doubt very many (yet), but it's cool to see that at least someone else on
>
the list is.
>
>
When I went to Naropa a few summers ago I checked out the Beat Book Store in
>
Boulder. Pretty cool place -- I got lost browsing through lots and lots of
>
Beat and otherwise countercultural books, but some of the top books on my
>
wantlist that summer weren't Beat at all -- namely, Terence McKenna's 2013
>
mushroom treatise and Ted Nelson's _Literary Machines_ and _Computer Lib_.
>
The latter is the first countercultural computer book (ca. '74) and the
>
former is a good outline of the hypertext systems of the future. Since the
>
one book was at least in the Whole Earth Review sphere of things and the
>
other was about future electronic writing systems I figured there was at
>
least a chance they'd have them at the BBS (couldn't find them in any
>
mainstream outlets, that's for sure). But when I asked the proprietor
>
(sitting on a chair wearing a Kerouac shirt) he looked at me like I was
>
rambling incoherently during the final stages of a shroom comedown, barely
>
letting out a "No, we ain't got no _computer_ books here," before
>
quietly laughing to himself.
> .-
I love
the way you end the story.
leon
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:55:11 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization:
Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
Comments:
To: Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
In-Reply-To: <33777E99.38BB@sk.sympatico.ca>
adrien
egads!
i couldnt disagree more.
i think
that the sensory assualt that the pranksters put forth is as valid
now as
it was then. who else would have the gall & guts to drive a 1949
international
harvester acid trip from one side of the country to the
other,
both reminding poeple of what DID happen and jarring people into
thinnking
what CAN happen? and as for his lit, kesey has done a lot more
than
simple _one flew over the cuckoo's nest_ what about _sometimes a
great
notion_, _sailor's song_ , _caverns_, _demon box_, "spit in the
ocean",
_the further inquiry_, _trickster the
squirrel meets big double
the
bear_, _the last go round_ and the upcoming _twister_?
sure
some pople could just see kesey as a thro-back to the 60's, but i
think
that his lit & actions can be as inspiring now as then, and in my
opinion
the dead would not have been the same w/o kesey (and even in
"modern"
time they've worked together - try the beautiful and inspiring
and yet
frightening and surging concert they did together in oakland
haloween
1990 as a tribute to bill graham (another throwback??) with kesey
rapping
& reading over the dead's jamming?)
egad!
dont lock him away yet!
yrs in
wordrush
derek
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:31:18 EST
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Clay Vaughan <CLV100U@MOZART.FPA.ODU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
It's a
very tenuous situation, that of the commemoration of an
revolution
of consciousness (and have people see it as precisely
that,
and no more) with a bus full of the countercultural aged. It's
almost
too easy to see the guts hanging out of shrunken t-shirts and
bits
(or more) of scalp emerging out from under an ever smaller nest
of
remaining hair.
But if
you look beyond all of those trappings (and it can be a TRIAL,
doing
that), you might actually see something else, something with
purpose,
something worth remembering, and something (dare I say it)
spiritual
in their intent, and get the message.
Clay
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:43:49 -0700
Reply-To: vic.begrand@sk.sympatico.ca
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Adrien Begrand
<vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
Comments:
To: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>
Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
sure some pople could just see kesey as a thro-back to the 60's, but i
>
think that his lit & actions can be as inspiring now as then, and in my
>
opinion the dead would not have been the same w/o kesey (and even in
>
"modern" time they've worked together - try the beautiful and
inspiring
>
and yet frightening and surging concert they did together in oakland
>
haloween 1990 as a tribute to bill graham (another throwback??) with kesey
>
rapping & reading over the dead's jamming?)
>
egad! dont lock him away yet!
>
yrs in wordrush
>
derek
Thanks
Derek, for yr swift n speedy response...was waiting for that! Not
that I
was Derek-baiting or anything...
I'm
aware that Kesey's still productive, but the impression I get from
his
constant revisiting and banking on the sixties is that it's focusing
the
attention away from what he's doing today to his goofy escapades of
the
past. Seems to me the hippies rode the Beats' coattails and ended up
parodying
themselves in the end...
As a
(scuse the term) genx-er I'm more aware than others of the cultural
implications
of the hippie movement and the pranksters than the average
person
my age, but when I see Kesey and his old buddies don't have
anything
better to do than try to recreate the sixties, the cynic in me
is
immediately turned off (despite their admirable spirit). The purpose
of
reading the Beats and latter-Beats today I think is to take their
energy
and ideas and spirit and go forward, incorporate them with living
in the
90's, not pretending time stopped when Hendrix closed Woodstock.
Adrien
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:12:02 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Jeanne Vaccaro
<SlugBug747@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Pranksters hit Cleveland
In a
message dated 97-05-11 20:28:20 EDT, you write:
<<
Big Brother and the Holding Company finished
up with a Janis clone who was
actually pretty good. I thought it was a bit
depressing though, to go and
make
a living this way with the Janis clone but
hopefully, they do it only on
special occaisions. >>
My
father used to share a bunch of apartments on Bush St. in San Fransico
with
Big Brother while they were getting started and playing at the Fillmore
and
Avalon Ballroom. I just can't get over
how amazing those early days must
have
been before people started writing songs about California and all these
losers
came by to check out the scene. He
<dad> also went to all those Kesey
acid
parties and such... i just think it's so amazing that... well since i am
young i
just can't imagine how wonderful things were, and how things have
changed
so....
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:16:42 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: No Jumping
A few
weeks ago I was down in Big Sur and as a result I read Kerouac's BIG
SUR.
Besides wondering about going crazy out there, since I know it can
happen
to anyone who is surrounded by the sounds of quiet solitude, I noticed
that on
the Bixby Bridge (which is the bridge under which Kerouac stayed), it
says --
NO JUMPING. It is the only bridge there on Route 1 to say that.
What's
up with that?
By the
way, it is a very high bridge.
I'm now
reading Brautigan's CONFEDERATE GENERAL FROM BIG SUR. Is it
coincidence?
Kerouac
also says that he walked 14 miles from the canyon (which he calls
Raton
Canyon) to Monterey, while it really is like 30 miles or so. Did he say
that
just so people wouldn't know where he had stayed (Ferlinghetti's cabin)
or was
he just mistaken on the distances.
lost in
solitude in California, Attila
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:32:06 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Ginsberg reads but I don't listen
In a
message dated 97-05-12 14:46:23 EDT, you write:
<<
I basically LIKE hearing Ginsberg and
Burroughs read, whatever it is, though
lately, hearing Ginsberg read
Mexico City Blues, I found myself tiring of
him probably for the
first time.
>>
I have
to admit that Ginsberg reading of DHARMA BUMS was terrible. I had to
laugh
at most of it because Ginsberg's voice came off as so whiney and hokey.
I also
never liked his recording of HOWL on Fantasy records. I've seen him
read in
the last 5 years and he never sounded like that to me. Did they pick
the
worst possible recording on purpose?
signing
off in a not whiney voice, Attila
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:25:30 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization:
Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
Comments:
To: Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
In-Reply-To: <33778F15.36F9@sk.sympatico.ca>
>
I'm aware that Kesey's still productive, but the impression I get from
>
his constant revisiting and banking on the sixties is that it's focusing
>
the attention away from what he's doing today to his goofy escapades of
>
the past.
sorry i
didnt realize that his goofy escapades had stopped. i thought that
was
just ken kesey being ken kesey & having a real good time.
>
Seems to me the hippies rode the Beats' coattails and ended up
>
parodying themselves in the end...
e gad!
are you sure yr not baiting me? dont you think that maybe the media
was the
one that did the parodying (like displying yr "genx" as slacker
toque
& flannel wearing idiots, with nothing better to do than mosh?)
"hippie"
is simply a label (& once you label you limit). i didnt know that
kesey
& leary & diprima (to bring in a beat) & hoffman & etc were
parodying
themselves i thot (for at least some) they were living the way
THAY
wanted and were sometimes parodying the "system" (like the chicago 7
trial,
for instance)
> As
a (scuse the term) genx-er I'm more aware than others of the cultural
>
implications of the hippie movement
EXACTLY!
gen-x (or a,b,c,d, or whatever) is a term, like "hippie" is a
term,
these are just PEOPLE living the way they wanted to. and some have
continued
to live in a similar style, and some have not & some like to get
together
& party & have some fun (and if that means getting together in an
old bus
and travelling & inviting everyone else in the country ala ken &
the
pranksters, why not?)
>
and the pranksters than the average
>
person my age, but when I see Kesey and his old buddies don't have
>
anything better to do than try to recreate the sixties, the cynic in me
> is
immediately turned off (despite their admirable spirit). The purpose
they
arent recreating ion my opinion. they're celebrating! and enjoying!
and
remembering! and thanking! this is a special occasion, why not
celebrate
& have fun with it? (and as for not brnging it into the 90's
well
kesey & co have been online at all their stops & leary was a great
proponent
of the net & if nothing else wavy's still around ("vote for
nobody!
nobody for president!") no?
> of
reading the Beats and latter-Beats today I think is to take their
>
energy and ideas and spirit and go forward, incorporate them with living
> in
the 90's, not pretending time stopped when Hendrix closed Woodstock.
bushwah!
the same can be said about
"hippies" & "yippies" and etc or
whatever
you wanna call 'em. there was just a discussion last week about
where
the "hippie" lit was and what was and what wasnt "hippie
lit"
(brautigan,
etc). can nothing be learned from the people of the 60's same
as the
50's? and isnt yr argument the same thats frequently used against
the
beats by conservative critics (change with the times, etc)?
are you
sure yr not baiting me?
peace.
(wink wink)
yrs
derek
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:32:34 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "M. Cakebread"
<cake@IONLINE.NET>
At
07:56 PM 5/10/97 +0200, Rinaldo wrote:
>i
am dumb!
>i
am dumb!
dumb am
i?
dumb am
i?
ekiM
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:26:38 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "M. Cakebread"
<cake@IONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: No Jumping
At
05:16 PM 5/12/97 -0400, Atilla wrote:
>A
few weeks ago I was down in Big Sur and as a result
>I
read Kerouac's BIG SUR.
<sniperooni>
>I'm
now reading Brautigan's CONFEDERATE GENERAL
>FROM
BIG SUR.
Hey
Atilla,
Since
there seems to be a Big Sur theme, try Henry Miller's
_Big
Sur and the Oranges of Hieronymus Bosch_ (Kerouac's
missed
meeting w/ Mr. Miller was chronicalled in K's
_Big
Sur_ I believe? Someone remember
this?).
Mike
(was Kesey present at the "Celebration at Big Sur?" {;^>)
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:22:58 -0500
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: talk dirty to me
<mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>
and?
----------
: From:
Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>
: To:
Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
:
Subject:
: Date:
Saturday, May 10, 1997 12:56 PM
:
: i am
dumb!
: i am
dumb!
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:38:39 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Robert H. Sapp"
<rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET>
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
Comments:
To: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
In-Reply-To:
<Pine.A32.3.93.970512134717.18000A-100000@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>
I have
to concur with Derek on this.
Although
i have not seen the pranksters, i think its great that theyre out
there
still kickin up a storm.
Adrien,
to say that theyre just living off past glories suggests that the
"hippie"
lifestyle is merely a weird aberration from accepted "normal"
living,
which may be true for some, but for many being a hippie in the
real
sense IS what livings all about. One doesnt HAVE TO go by the way
others
feel the 90's should be.
sincerely,
Eric
rhs4@crystal.palace.net
P.S. Of
course time did not stop when Jimi's Woodstock set concluded. He
still
had about a year's worth of music to go!
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:53:09 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Dean M. Palmer"
<dean_palmer@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
<Sure,
the pranksters seemed to have a rather novel idea at the time, but
<for
me the whole hippie thing of the sixties today seems shallow. Why do
<these
people keep clinging to the past?.... The Grateful
<Dead
continued to do new things for years.
What? How can you claim that Kessey is stuck
in the past, but the Dead
were
somehow trail blazers? If you think Kessey is stuck in the past then
the
Dead definitely were. Look at the average Dead-head's wardrobe...that
doesn't
scream 60's? Maybe it is just me.....
Dean Palmer--
/\/\/\/\/\~Dean_Palmer@juno.com~/\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/\/\/\~Funny
English Joke; man and wife in living room, phone rings,
man
answers and says he wouldn't know, better call the coast guard, and
hangs
up, wife says, "Who was it, dear?" and man says, "I don't know,
some
damn fool who
wanted
to know if the coast was clear." har-har-har (Neal
Cassady)~/\/\/\/\/\
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:57:01 -0700
Reply-To: letabor@cruzio.com
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Leon Tabory <letabor@CRUZIO.COM>
Rinaldo
Rasa wrote:
>
> i
am dumb!
> i
am dumb!
> .-
don't
you wish! (sometimes....)
don't
you wish! (sometimes...)
Disclaimer:
We are just kidding, right?
leon
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:06:21 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Ginny Browne <NICO88@AOL.COM>
Subject: kerouackicksjoydarkness
i seem
to recall someone expressing similar sentiments here on this list a
few
weeks ago, but just to re-manifest the subject, i am a bit at odds with
the
background
""""""music""""" to
MacDougal Street Blues. When i first read
this
pome a while back, i thought of blue sky and the true true OM of
citylife
and the zen-vastness of the pavement in washington square park
(purely
of my own odd thought relations).
anyhow,
point being that this beat (ohoh, NOOO pun intended!! quite the
opposite
in fact!!!) in the background seemed to close all the doors on the
pome
and put it against a dark background in stead of an orange and blue
sun/sky.
took away all openness that i loved bout the pome. (dontmean to be
too
wordy here, but word are in life to use. im young! im not maturely
articulate!)
how do
you all feel about this?
-buona
serata, ginny
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:04:40 -0700
Reply-To: vic.begrand@sk.sympatico.ca
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Adrien Begrand
<vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
Comments:
cc: dabeauli@freenet.calgary.ab.ca
Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
> e
gad! are you sure yr not baiting me? dont you think that maybe the media
>
was the one that did the parodying (like displying yr "genx" as
slacker
>
toque & flannel wearing idiots, with nothing better to do than mosh?)
>
"hippie" is simply a label (& once you label you limit). i didnt
know that
>
kesey & leary & diprima (to bring in a beat) & hoffman & etc
were
>
parodying themselves i thot (for at least some) they were living the way
>
THAY wanted and were sometimes parodying the "system" (like the
chicago 7
>
trial, for instance)
Gah,
what have I gotten myself into???
I
realize, Derek, there's no way I can continue this discussion without
backing
myself into a corner only to get Beaten to a bloody pulp by yr
retorts.
I have
nothing against Kesey, Leary, & diPrima...
>
isnt yr argument the same thats frequently used against
>
the beats by conservative critics (change with the times, etc)?
Must be
the conservative closeminded smalltown hick in me that took
over...
All yr
points are valid, Derek, and I agree with much of what you have
to say,
but I'm sorry, the Pranksters' reunion thing seems less as a fun
artistic
endeavour and more of a moneymaking venture, which, to a
sometimes
closeminded cynical fencesitter like myself, well...reeks.
Bruised,
battered, bleeding, but still steadfast in my belief that the
Prankster
reunion is a joke,
Adrien
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:12:26 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Timothy K. Gallaher"
<gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cast of Characters
At
06:47 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
a message dated 97-05-10 18:24:42 EDT, you write:
>
><<
Jim Sampas (a guy in his 30s or so) is a
>
nephew, I'm not sure what brother's son. >>
>
>The
dead one....
>
>
This
was my fault. I thought John Sampas was
Stella Kerouac's nephew. I
did not
know he was so old.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:10:31 CDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Wes Lundburg
<wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
derek
wrote:
>
>as
for hst - how could you be familiar with him but not his work? and well
>his
voice ive never heard his voice before this cd, and its exactly what i
>thot
it would sound like. the 5:00am rush somehow fits with his books, etc
>and
i think that i would have been disappointed with something done sober
>in
the daylight, no?
>
Hi,
derek! How could I be familiar with him
but not his work? Easy. I have
several
friends who are HST fans, so I know about him; also see things in
reviews
(very occasionally). Anyway, it all
gives me an impression of who he is
and
what he does, but I haven't read more than 500 words of his and have never
heard
his voice. I also know who 2 Pac is,
but have never listened to his
music. I know who Jessie Helms is and what he says,
but have never read
anything
he's written nor have heard his voice.
Same with HST.
So,
perhaps it's a case like me with WSB back in December (remember? I was the
one
posting stuff like "how can we respect a man who shot his wife???").
Somehow,
though, the guy has grown on me. Now
I've read WSB (_Ghost_ and
_Junky_
and have watched a bio/doc on video, as well as video of his cut-ups and
some
other stuff. I like him. I really love to listen to him read. Maybe the
same
will happen with HST. But having never
heard his voice, HST's reading on
this CD
was a major disappointment to me: I'd heard so much about him, and this
was
less than a drunken 16-year-old (nothing against them, mind you!) could have
done.
Just
confessing my ignorance... but at this point, I still think his reading
stunk. Probaby a matter of taste. I used to hate lima beans, too, and now like
them
quite well!
Regards!
---Wes
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:15:31 CDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Wes Lundburg
<wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joys, Darkness
Somebody
wrote:
>
>I
thought it pretty typical HST. In readings etc. he comes off as a drunken,
>doped-up
slob (which he probably is), but his writing is very fine. Even
>through
all his shenanigans there's a certain precision which comes through
>in
all his writings, and I'm not sure you get it during his spoken word,
>where
the drunken craziness is more in the forefront.
>
Hey,
maybe you and derek can recommend a book of HST's. You say his writing is
very
fine . . . what would you (and other HST fans) recommend? My HST fan
friends
say _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_ . . . would you recommend that one
for an
HST beginner? Or is another book
better? Please keep in mind my disdain
for his
recording on "Kicks..."!!!
Thanks! ---Wes
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:32:52 +0100
Reply-To: or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Olly Ruff <or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject: yet more, yet more about the cd.
well,
I've finally found a subject I'm more or less qualified to talk
about,
so I'm milking it for all it's worth... (I originally mistyped
"milking"
as "miling" which come to think could be a better word.) Anyway.
To
business :
Macdougal
Street Blues is one of those pieces that gets a kind of
idiosyncratic
treatment... perhaps on purpose since it's actually JK
reading
th'damn thing. After listening lots I decided I like it... I mean
to me
the true Om of city is as much often as otherwise the feeling of
being
enclosed by the whole thing ; you understand shut in but still, as
it
were, moving along briskly, which to me is what this treatment does.
Nowadays
I actually listen to it on purpose quite frequently. It probably
depends
a deal on what city you're listening to it in...
Incidentally,
thanks Derek for the info on R.Hunter.
Everyone
take care,
Olly R.
____________________________________________________________________
"If I had a gun... I would give you your
freedom."
____________________________________________________________________
or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
skink@imrryr.org
____________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:40:48 +0100
Reply-To: or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Olly Ruff
<or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject: death to the weird.
Hunter
S.T. being something of a hero to me, I'm going to chip in on this
one
also. Las Vegas is undeniably a good piece of work, but my personal
call
would be the Great Shark Hunt (esp. pieces like Strange Rumblings in
Aztlan
& The Banshee Screams for Buffalo Meat which are two of the finest
slabs
of journalism I have ever encountered.) or Fear and Loathing : On
the
Campaign Trail 72 which you can tell is a great book purely from
reading
the slightly rococo chapter summaries in the contents... the man
is/was
(factoring in nonexistent recent output) a genius. My theory is
this :
it's relatively easy for music or writing to bring you down, but
the
real trick lies in an artist who can revitalise you and haul you back
up
regardless of your circumstance... on the whole, the Beats could do
this,
and so could Hunter, & that's the reason I love them. I'd implore
you not
to write the guy off... since in his own way he's up against the
edge as
close as anybody ever was, self-mythology notwithstanding.
Olly.
____________________________________________________________________
"If I had a gun... I would
give you your freedom."
____________________________________________________________________
or205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
skink@imrryr.org
____________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:45:38 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Comments: RFC822 error: <W> Incorrect or
incomplete address field found and
ignored.
From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization:
Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
Comments:
To: Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@sk.sympatico.ca>
In-Reply-To: <3377A208.13F0@sk.sympatico.ca>
adrien
please
dont misunderstand i am NOT beating you up (no pun intended). ok
then?
and if
nothing else - who better to make a money making JOKE than the
merry
pranksters?
yrs
derek
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:12:47 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joys, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<9704128634.AA863481476@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
On Mon,
12 May 1997, Wes Lundburg wrote:
>
Somebody wrote:
>
>
>
>I thought it pretty typical HST. In readings etc. he comes off as a
drunken,
>
>doped-up slob (which he probably is), but his writing is very fine.
>
>
Hey, maybe you and derek can recommend a book of HST's. You say his writing
is
>
very fine . . . what would you (and other HST fans) recommend?
Well,
_...Las Vegas_ is the standard HST intro, and I think it's a good
one --
pretty much sums up where he's at, both in writing ability and
philosophies.
If you want a shorter intro then check out "The Kentucky Derby
is
Decadent and Depraved," which is in Tom Wolfe's essential _New
Journalism_
as well as HST's _Great Shark Hunt_. I think _The Great Shark
Hunt_
is another good place to start -- its a collection of early HST
magazine/news
pieces, and it's one of my favorites. Also for some good early
stuff
check out his first novel, _Hell's Angels_. By this time you should
completely
turned off to his brand of backwoods hillbilly dope fiend
intellectualism,
but if not -- if you find yourself hooked to the 5am
ravings
of a mad lunatic -- then maybe the series of books called the Gonzo
Papers
are a good place to go next.
m
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:27:45 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Pamela Beach Plymell
<CVEditions@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: British Beats
Check
out Alexander Trocchi as a Brit Beat. Jeff should have some of his
books.
Pam
Plymell
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:36:33 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Ginny Browne <NICO88@AOL.COM>
Subject: kicks/joy/darkness: macdougal street
blues
(my
honest apologies if this a repeat, sent already, tho i dont think so...)
i seem
to recall someone expressing similar sentiments here on this list a
few
weeks ago, but just to re-manifest the subject, i am a bit at odds with
the
background
""""""music""""" to
MacDougal Street Blues. When i first read
this
pome a while back, i thought of blue sky and the true true OM of
citylife
and the zen-vastness of the pavement in washington square park
(purely
of my own odd thought relations).
anyhow,
point being that this beat (ohoh, NOOO pun intended!! quite the
opposite
in fact!!!) in the background seemed to close all the doors on the
pome
and put it against a dark background in stead of an orange and blue
sun/sky.
took away all openness that i loved bout the pome. (dontmean to be
too
wordy here, but word are in life to use. im young! im not maturely
articulate!)
how do
you all feel about this?
-buona
serata, ginny
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:37:39 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Ginny Browne <NICO88@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: No Jumping
In a
message dated 97-05-12 19:31:56 EDT, you write:
>
(Kerouac's
> missed meeting w/ Mr. Miller was
chronicalled in K's
> _Big Sur_ I believe? Someone remember this?).
yes. it
was.
jack
was such a responsible and respectable young man, now wasnt he.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:43:35 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Gerald Nicosia
<gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS
>........
>NOW
PHILLIPS IS IN A CONSPIRACY TOO GERRY I SEE WHAT ROD MEANT ABOUT YOU
>BEING
PARANOID.....
>
>GERRY
YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE XEROX COPIES IS PRETTY PATHETIC. I THINK IF A
>UNIVERSITY
WERE TO COPY A MANUSCRIPT OR LETTER IT WOULDN'T MISS PAGES OR
>WORDS
COME ON GERRY ARE YOU FOR REAL?...
>I
DON'T KNOW BRAD AND I HAVE NEVER MET HIM. HE HAS WRITTEN SOME GOOD KEROUAC
>STUFF
THOUGH. I HAVE HEARD THAT HE IS YOUR MOUTHPIECE IN LOWELL SO IT
>DOESN'T
SURPRISE ME ABOUT THIS LETTER....
Dear
Phil, May 12, 1997
When you find you can't answer my
questions, shouting won't help.
You
never answered about why Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! didn't invite me or
Jan
from 1988 through 1994, before there was any lawsuit. You also ignore
the
fact that when Brad Parker invited me to Lowell to speak in 1993 and
1994, I
spoke, respectively, about Kerouac's self-destructiveness and about
his
spirituality--not about lawsuits. Jan
was invited by Brad to speak in
1994,
and she didn't speak about lawsuits either.
You're back to lying again. I didn't sell my archive "to the
highest
bidder." It was appraised at
$15,000 and I sold it at $7,500 so
that
the University of Lowell could afford it, and I even allowed the
university
to pay me over a three-year period, to make it more affordable
for
them. I could have made far more money
breaking the archive up, as Mr.
Sampas
has begun to do with the Kerouac Archive.
Just the 60 stolen letters
(written
to me from Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, Burroughs, et al.) could bring
$20,000
at today's prices. And there are 25,000
other documents, not to
mention
300 tapes, in the collection.
If anyone is paranoid, I'd say it's
you. Now I have Brad Parker,
Joe
Grant, and half the university archivists in America as my
"mouthpiece"!
This whole thing has become a bad
joke, Phil. Know your place. THE
WORLD
OF SCHOLARLY RESEARCH DOES NOT HANG ON THE WORDS OF PHIL CHAPUT. Do
you
expect the thousands of Kerouac and Beat scholars around the world to
say,
"OK, we don't need the Jack Kerouac archive, since we have the word of
Phil
Chaput that a few dozen xeroxes are just as good."
Here's the sworn statement of Matthew
J. Bruccoli, one of the
preeminent
living scholars today, the man who put F. Scott Fitzgerald
scholarship
on the map, and currently Jeffries Professor of American
Literature
at the University of South Carolina and Honorary Curator of the
F.
Scott Fitzgerald Collection at the Thomas Cooper Library:
"I am certain that the Jack
Kerouac papers would be of greater use
to
researchers if kept together than if scattered. I am also certain that
major
libraries will be prepared to acquire the Kerouac Papers en bloc for
the use
of scholars."
Go talk to Dr. Bruccoli about
xeroxes--if you can get an appointment
with
him.
Best, Gerry Nicosia
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:40:01 -0500
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Patricia Elliott
<pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS/direct flame sick of
phil
philly
the dilly wrote
> I
WILL PUT MY RESPONSE IN CAPS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
>
> NO
I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE I'M GOING TO PUKE....
>
phil,
why would i doubt your other arguments after you explain your use
of
caps, not as shouting but so we can read you better, yeh I GET IT!
wheres
the meat
i puts
you right up there with the katsinjammers.
i think
that you are impotent in the pissing contest.
p
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:54:30 -0600
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Derek A. Beaulieu"
<dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization:
Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joys, Darkness
In-Reply-To:
<9704128634.AA863481476@Mail.ff.cc.mn.us>
wes
absolutely
start
with _fear & loathing las vegas_ and then go from there. it all
starts
in vegas & a truck full of drugs, 2 crazed loonies & the good ol'
USA.
good
luck
let
me/us know know how it goes
derek
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:04:13 -0500
Reply-To: race@midusa.net
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joys, Darkness
Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
>
wes
>
absolutely
>
start with _fear & loathing las vegas_ and then go from there. it all
>
starts in vegas & a truck full of drugs, 2 crazed loonies & the good
ol'
>
USA.
>
good luck
>
let me/us know know how it goes
>
derek
i'm not
in to HST yet....i had heard rumours of a guy i knew from
Lexington
having partied with HST....i always figured they were just
typical
legendmaking....now that i heard this title about the Kentucky
Derby
it makes me wonder....is that one about partying in Lexington???
when
did it happen? is there anybody named
J.W. in it???
david
rhaesa
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:38:30 EST
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: MORE OXY THAN MORON
<breithau@KENYON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Please Ken, go no Furthur!
I think
looking at the Prankster reunion as an attempt to cling to the 60s is a
shallow
way to look at it. Here is a group of people who have a great
philosophy
of life, to have fun, be creative (and never trust a prankster).
They
have stuck to and continued that creed since before the 60s. Sure, some
people
slow down with age but Kesey is still writing, still exploring, still
having
fun, to see him as being limited to a ten year period in the century is
to
limit yourself. Are people that listen to classical music stuck in the 18th
century?
I don't care when the Fish Cheer was written, I hope I'm still singing
it in
the year 2020. I spoke with Ken and the Pranksters about many things,
hardly
any of which had much to do with the 60s.
If
anything, maybe big brother may be a bit stuck in the 60s with their Janis
clone
but hey, it was still a good show.
Dave B.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:38:28 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins
At
09:18 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
a message dated 97-05-09 20:30:29 EDT, you write:
>
><<
As someone who's done a fair amount of Kerouac lit. criticism I'm
>
astonished by your grasp of DR SAX.
What you say is not only solid
>
criticism but it's also fun to read.
>>
>
>Gerry:
>So
Pam said to me awhile ago when that Lost Generation thread came up -- that
>movement's
writers had similar styles. In the Beat writers there are similar
>"trace
elements" and varied styles, but my pleasure in reading Dr. Sax and
>casting
the whole critique in a poor metaphorically fight ring did produce
>another
insight: That is Kerouac was steeped in the university canons of the
>50s,
many of which were venturing into the expatriates, Joyce etal. It seems
>Kerouac
was swinging quite heavily, really fighting towards (for?) Epiphany,
>which
was a deeply engrained battle of the mind in the history of literature.
>Kerouac's
contemporaries may have dumped this so to speak, especially
>Burroughs
whose canvas was more like Pollocks until he went ballistics... as
>future
literacies seem look at the broad canvas conceptually or
>minimallisctically,
looping back upon the quantum, or whatever else has
>mainframed
Postmodernism to a mode of rhetoric
rather than a movement.
>I
was also reminded while reading the book of just how Allen mimicked
>Kerouac's
"voice". I assume it was that way rather than the other way around.
>Even
in all the little innuendos and inventions.
>Is
it true what was in the Kesey post about Allen's last words?
>
Charley, May 12, 1997
What fascinates me about your
criticism is that it's all in poetic
shorthand,
which allows you to say in one paragraph what would probably take
several
pages for the average academic (and probably for me too, though I've
fought
against the academic in my prose since I dumped my UCLA fellowship
back in
1975).
My only comments: Yes, I agree!
And yes, clearly it was Ginsberg
imitating Kerouac's voice, not the
other
way around.
I didn't read the Kesey post about
Allen's last words? What were
they? I heard it was something about vomiting and
saying, "I've never done
that
before"?
Best, Gerry
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:53:15 CDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Wes Lundburg
<wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>
Subject: To Olly, m, and derek (and others, too)
Olly,
m, and derek (and whoever else chipped in suggestions):
Thanks
for the HST suggestions. He's now
officially on my summer reading list.
The
notes you attached have especially intrigued me.... I'm not writing him off
until I
read his work!
---Wes
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:00:22 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: PAM <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>
Subject: Re: Cast of Characters
At
06:23 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In
a message dated 97-05-08 04:49:29 EDT, you write:
>
><<
In my ignorance I guess I was under the mistaken impression that John
>Sampas
>
was one of Stella's brothers, a guy pehaps in his 60-70's. >>
>
>John
Sampas is Stella's brother. Jim Sampas (a guy in his 30s or so) is a
>nephew,
I'm not sure what brother's son.
>George
Sampas...
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:55:19 PDT
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Mike Pearson
<digress@ELLENSBURG.COM>
Subject: Re: Pranksters hit Cleveland
At
05:12 PM 5/12/97 -0400, Jeanne Vaccaro wrote:
I just
can't get over how amazing those early days must
>have
been <snip>.
i just think it's so amazing that... well
since i am
>young
i just can't imagine how wonderful things were, and how things have
>changed
so....
I
remember the University District in Seattle
in the
late 1960s, then mid 1970s, and early 1990s.
What
was "wonderful" was that people wandered around
with a
sense of Spirited Wonder...some chemically induced,
yet
some was the spirit of the time -- a conscious
ideology
or philosophy that people reinforced in one another
in a
fairly open-minded, laissez-faire way -- to appreciate Life!
It
wasn't always sustainable --these were a mix of realistic and
unrealistically
high ideals about what Life could be.
The
Merry Pranksters -- do they invoke, celebrate, commemorate,
the
spirit of wonder? We learned they don't
have to spike the
Kool-Aid. Do get up off our stretchers and live again,
with the
wisdom
of age but the enthusiasm of Eternal Youth?
I yield
the floor.... now I am levitating so to speak (if blather blather!!)
Mike
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:30:29 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Antoine Maloney
<stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>
Subject: Re: Cast of Characters
Bravely
running out into no man's land, dodging bullets and land mines to say...
Ahem! Hrumph!
It would be useful to actually put
together the cast of characters.
I was
at the Lord Buckley Bash a little more than a year ago and one of the
Sampas's
was there doing a great job on Buckley's Train piece, although the
ending
defeated him. I believe that was Jim Sampas and I see on my copy of
"kicks
joy darkness" that the producer is also Jim Sampas. So where do he
and the
other Sampas's fit in? I'll throw this out for those who know the
answers
to complete....Phil? Gerry? Jeffrey? The three of you probably have
it
right at your fingertips.
Charley older brother of Sammy;
newspaper columnist
Sebastian "Sammy", best
friend of Jack, died in 1944
...same as Alex /
"Sabby" in the Charters biography, I
assume,
but which name is right
Jim, member of the foreign service
Stella married Jack in 1966 after
having been asked 17 years
previously,
but declining
Nick, bartender / owner of Nicky's
Tony, younger brother of Sammy, former
OSS guerilla, night manager
at
Nicky's
John, brother of ?
-----------------------father of son Jim(?)
...and Paul Maher mentions George as
brother of Sammy/Stella and
father
of Jim...
So, who else to fill in all the blanks.......
Antoine
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky and
Utah Phillips
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:34:28 -0500
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Matthew S Sackmann
<msackma@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: SoRRY
(Bill Gargan)
Sorry
guys for posting this on the list, but im going home tomorrow and i
dont
think ill be able to check this address's mail anymore and i need to
unsubscribe
for this address, and i have all the directions on how to do
that,
but there in a book that i dont have with me right now, so Bill,
could
you please unsubscribe me and then i will be able to resubscribe
when im
home under my mom's address. Thanks A
lot!
I will
see you all soon. well, not really see
you, but, well, ...yeah.
-matt
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:36:04 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Antoine Maloney
<stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>
Subject: Hunter S.Thompson ouevre
Wes,
Also worth trying are "Curse of
Lono" with one of the funniest
openers
ever....that blue dye in those airline toilets really stains your
skin!?! ...and "Fear and Loathing on the
Campaign Trail." this last is
going
to be a little bit dated, but I'm sure it still has a bite.
Antoine ....whose "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" is out on
loan
to his
son who calls each night to reassure me about its condition and
whereabouts!
************************
>Somebody
wrote:
>
>>
>>I
thought it pretty typical HST. In readings etc. he comes off as a drunken,
>>doped-up
slob (which he probably is), but his writing is very fine. Even
>>through
all his shenanigans there's a certain precision which comes through
>>in
all his writings, and I'm not sure you get it during his spoken word,
>>where
the drunken craziness is more in the forefront.
>>
>
>Hey,
maybe you and derek can recommend a book of HST's. You say his writing is
>very
fine . . . what would you (and other HST fans) recommend? My HST fan
>friends
say _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_ . . . would you recommend that one
>for
an HST beginner? Or is another book
better? Please keep in mind my
disdain
>for
his recording on "Kicks..."!!!
>
>Thanks! ---Wes
>
>
Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal
"An anarchist is someone who doesn't
need a cop to tell him what to do!"
-- Norman Navrotsky
and Utah Phillips
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:37:18 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS/direct flame sick of
phil
At
06:40 PM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>philly
the dilly wrote
Oh if
your gonna call me philly the dilly I'm gonna call you fatty Patty.
na na
na na naa
>>
I WILL PUT MY RESPONSE IN CAPS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
>>
>>
NO I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE I'M GOING TO PUKE....
>>
>phil,
why would i doubt your other arguments after you explain your use
>of
caps, not as shouting but so we can read you better, yeh I GET IT!
>wheres
the meat
I meant
so you could distiquish my response from Gerry's easier not so you
could
literally read the words easier. DUH!
But
sorry if that offended you fatty Patty.
>
>i
puts you right up there with the katsinjammers.
>i
think that you are impotent in the pissing contest.
>p
>
>
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:40:19 -0700
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "s.a. griffin"
<perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kicks, Joys, Darkness
At
04:15 PM 5/12/97 CDT, you wrote:
>Somebody
wrote:
>
>>
>>I
thought it pretty typical HST. In readings etc. he comes off as a drunken,
>>doped-up
slob (which he probably is), but his writing is very fine. Even
>>through
all his shenanigans there's a certain precision which comes through
>>in
all his writings, and I'm not sure you get it during his spoken word,
>>where
the drunken craziness is more in the forefront.
>>
>
>Hey,
maybe you and derek can recommend a book of HST's. You say his writing is
>very
fine . . . what would you (and other HST fans) recommend? My HST fan
>friends
say _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_ . . . would you recommend that one
>for
an HST beginner? Or is another book
better? Please keep in mind my
disdain
>for
his recording on "Kicks..."!!!
>
>Thanks! ---Wes
>
just
jumping in here I gotta say that Fear & Loathing is a masterpiece of
exactly
what the title implies which makes it sure fire regardless yet
however
is excellent for a first! it's a fast
easy and hillarious read. . .
xxxooo
s.a.
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:39:58 -0500
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Patricia Elliott
<pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS/direct flame sick of
phil
Phil
Chaput wrote:
>
> At
06:40 PM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>philly the dilly wrote
>
> Oh
if your gonna call me philly the dilly I'm gonna call you fatty Patty.
> na
na na na naa
>
>> I WILL PUT MY RESPONSE IN CAPS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
>
>>
>
>> NO I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE I'M GOING TO PUKE....
>
>>
>
>phil, why would i doubt your other arguments after you explain your use
>
>of caps, not as shouting but so we can read you better, yeh I GET IT!
>
>wheres the meat
>
> I
meant so you could distiquish my response from Gerry's easier not so you
>
could literally read the words easier. DUH!
>
But sorry if that offended you fatty Patty.
>
>
>
>i puts you right up there with the katsinjammers.
>
>i think that you are impotent in the pissing contest.
>
>p
>
>
>
>you didn't offend me , you didn't understand my point, you bored me with
the
name calling and lack of substance,, it was
like you thought we would reach a
conclusion on issues based on how nasty you
were. duh
i am
huge, often when someone gets on my nerves by being shrill, i
simply
lean forward and one of my giant boobs pop out and smothers the
poor
guy,
hey get
a sense of humour,
p
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:58:33 -0700
Reply-To: stauffer@pacbell.net
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: James Stauffer
<stauffer@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: No Jumping
Attila
I think
the "no jumping sign" is an attempt to deter bungee jumpers. It
is a
great site for that.
Without
checking my map, I don't think Kerouac is too far off. The Big
Sur
Marathon runs it's 26.2 miles from considerably south of Bixby
Canyon
north into Carmel, and Monterey is only
a few miles further.
Attila
Gyenis wrote:
>
> A
few weeks ago I was down in Big Sur and as a result I read Kerouac's BIG
>
SUR. Besides wondering about going crazy out there, since I know it can
>
happen to anyone who is surrounded by the sounds of quiet solitude, I noticed
>
that on the Bixby Bridge (which is the bridge under which Kerouac stayed), it
>
says -- NO JUMPING. It is the only bridge there on Route 1 to say that.
>
What's up with that?
>
> By
the way, it is a very high bridge.
>
>
I'm now reading Brautigan's CONFEDERATE GENERAL FROM BIG SUR. Is it
>
coincidence?
>
>
Kerouac also says that he walked 14 miles from the canyon (which he calls
>
Raton Canyon) to Monterey, while it really is like 30 miles or so. Did he say
>
that just so people wouldn't know where he had stayed (Ferlinghetti's cabin)
> or
was he just mistaken on the distances.
>
>
lost in solitude in California, Attila
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:19:04 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS/direct flame sick of
phil
At
10:39 PM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Phil
Chaput wrote:
>>
>>
At 06:40 PM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>philly the dilly wrote
>>
>>
Oh if your gonna call me philly the dilly I'm gonna call you fatty Patty.
>>
na na na na naa
>>
>> I WILL PUT MY RESPONSE IN CAPS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
>>
>>
>>
>> NO I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE I'M GOING TO PUKE....
>>
>>
>>
>phil, why would i doubt your other arguments after you explain your use
>>
>of caps, not as shouting but so we can read you better, yeh I GET IT!
>>
>wheres the meat
>>
>>
I meant so you could distiquish my response from Gerry's easier not so you
>>
could literally read the words easier. DUH!
>>
But sorry if that offended you fatty Patty.
>>
>
>>
>i puts you right up there with the katsinjammers.
>>
>i think that you are impotent in the pissing contest.
>>
>p
>>
>
>>
>you didn't offend me , you didn't understand my point, you bored me with
the
>
name calling and lack of substance,, it was like you thought we would reach a
>
conclusion on issues based on how nasty you were. duh
>
>i
am huge, often when someone gets on my nerves by being shrill, i
>simply
lean forward and one of my giant boobs pop out and smothers the
>poor
guy,
>hey
get a sense of humour,
>
>I
do have a sense of humor (I get the point ,about your boob that is) and
you
seem to have one too. My friends actually do call me philzi though.
Bravo
you got me. Philzi the dilzi
>
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:58:57 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>
Subject: Final estate details (for a while)
> When you find you can't answer my
questions, shouting won't help.
Gerry
like I explained I put my response in caps to make it easier to read.
It is a
common practice to make it easier to distinguish one person from
another
in a long e-mail message. I didn't mean so you could literally read
it
easier. But I will keep it lower case so you won't think I'm SHOUTING.
>You
never answered about why Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! didn't invite me or
>Jan
from 1988 through 1994, before there was any lawsuit.
I don't
know why I wasn't on the committee then but there are lots of people
we
haven't invited yet don't feel left out. I know why we haven't invited
you.
After reading all your posts I figured it out. Your a nut case.
You
also ignore
>the
fact that when Brad Parker invited me to Lowell to speak in 1993
Pretty
bad when the only one who will invite you is your friend Brad Parker.
Besides
if he wants you every year we wouldn't want to step on his toes.
and
>1994,
I spoke, respectively, about Kerouac's self-destructiveness and about
>his
spirituality--not about lawsuits. Jan
was invited by Brad to speak in
>1994,
and she didn't speak about lawsuits either.
> You're back to lying again. I didn't sell my archive "to the
>highest
bidder." It was appraised at
$15,000 and I sold it at $7,500 so
>that
the University of Lowell could afford it, and I even allowed the
>university
to pay me over a three-year period, to make it more affordable
>for
them.
Are you trying to tell me you got offered
$15,000 for it? Gerry no one
wanted
it and when you couldn't get anyone to buy it you finally sold it to
U-Lowell
for whatever terms you could get. Don't come on like you had all
these
big offers and then you did U-Lowell a favor out of the kindness of
your
heart.You didn't even offer it to them until you tried everyone else
and
they didn't want it.Now I know why no one else wanted it cause you never
had
permission from the people you interviewed. Remember Gerry people in
Lowell
know what was going on then because we were here. You can't buffalo
us like
you do with the people on the beat-l.
You
told the beat-l people that John Sampas closed the archive. That's not
true
and you know Martha Mayo told you that's not true. Here is a line from
the
June 10, 1996 article in the Lowell Sun that I know you read.
"But
since a Connecticut women called the Mogan center 18 months ago to
request
that the public not be allowed to hear her interview with Nicosia
the
tapes have sat in two steel file cabinet drawers....Sorry, but if you
want to
listen to the taped interviews, you must have written permission
from
the subjects. If they are dead, you must have permission from their
estates.
University officials say that because Nicosia never got written
permission
from his subjects to let the public review their interviews, it
now
owns a "crippled" collection of tapes....Martha Mayo says "It
was my
understanding
that permission was given. It was implicit that had been done
between
the author and the people interviewed. But people didn't know it
would
be placed in a public institution....
Again
Gerry that's not me saying this it is Martha Mayo of U-Lowell and an
article
in the Lowell Sun.
cause it was I could have made far more money
breaking the archive up, as Mr.
>Sampas
has begun to do with the Kerouac Archive.
Just the 60 stolen letters
>(written
to me from Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, Burroughs, et al.) could bring
>$20,000
at today's prices. And there are 25,000
other documents, not to
>mention
300 tapes, in the collection.
> If anyone is paranoid, I'd say it's
you. Now I have Brad Parker,
>Joe
Grant, and half the university archivists in America as my
"mouthpiece"!
I only
mentioned that Brad was your mouthpiece in Lowell I never said
anything
about Jo Grant or university archivist being your mouthpiece at all.
> This whole thing has become a bad
joke, Phil. Know your place.
Know my
place? Does that mean your above me and my place is below you. Gerry
they
use to tell blacks in the south "know your place" That's not a very
nice
thing to say to someone.
THE
>WORLD
OF SCHOLARLY RESEARCH DOES NOT HANG ON THE WORDS OF PHIL CHAPUT.
Gerry
are you shouting like you told me not to? Read your first sentence
above.For
shame. For shame.
>you
expect the thousands of Kerouac and Beat scholars around the world to
>say,
"OK, we don't need the Jack Kerouac archive, since we have the word of
>Phil
Chaput that a few dozen xeroxes are just as good."
> Here's the sworn statement of Matthew
J. Bruccoli, one of the
>preeminent
living scholars today, the man who put F. Scott Fitzgerald
>scholarship
on the map, and currently Jeffries Professor of American
>Literature
at the University of South Carolina and Honorary Curator of the
>F.
Scott Fitzgerald Collection at the Thomas Cooper Library:
> "I am certain that the Jack
Kerouac papers would be of greater use
>to
researchers if kept together than if scattered. I am also certain that
>major
libraries will be prepared to acquire the Kerouac Papers en bloc for
>the
use of scholars."
> Go talk to Dr. Bruccoli about
xeroxes--if you can get an appointment
>with
him.
This
last argument above is really lame. You don't need a sworn statement (A
sworn
statement mind you ) to know an archive is better in one place than
scattered
any fool could tell you that. You really didn't need that sworn
statement
from (Dr. Carrot)the smartest man in the world for that Gerry.
Gerry
why don't we mutually end this I think the beat-l members are getting
sick of
it and we will meet in Lowell someday and have a "gentlemen's
argument"
about it all.I'll buy you another free meal. Bring a copy of your
book
inscribed to my father and I'll put it on his grave at least then you
will
have fulfilled one promise that you made to a dead person.
To be
fair. Don't write to me for a while I won't be able to answer you. I'm
going
to Greece for a few weeks with John Sampas to spend some of Stella's
hard
earned money. Philly the Dilly (ha ha)
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:28:46 -0700
Reply-To: stauffer@pacbell.net
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: James Stauffer
<stauffer@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Final (?)estate details (for a while)
Guys,
this is really getting good. Love the
smell of a really intense
ad
hominem war any old time. And I declare
Patricia Elliott the
winner--at
least on the female side. Now if you
gentleman will step up
to the
bar, we can get out our rulers and see who has the biggest . . .
Rooting
from the sidelines
James
Stauffer
Phil
Chaput wrote: . . .
>
> I
don't know why I wasn't on the committee then but there are lots of people
> we
haven't invited yet don't feel left out. I know why we haven't invited
>
you. After reading all your posts I figured it out. Your a nut case.
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 04:03:12 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "Dean M. Palmer"
<dean_palmer@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: ESTATE DETAILS/direct flame sick of
phil
>Oh
if your gonna call me philly the dilly I'm gonna call you fatty
>Patty.
You really are immature, aren't you?
>I
meant so you could distiquish my response from Gerry's easier not so
>you
>could
literally read the words easier. DUH!
>But
sorry if that offended you fatty Patty.
You
can't spell for shit either..."distiquish"?
I have
watched your volley with Mr. Nicosia and I believe..you have some
personal
issues you might want to seek professional help with. You attack
as if
Mr. Nicosia shot your dog or something. So he doesn't donate to
your
little club...so what? I don't...do you hate me too?
You say Mr. Nicosia just wants to be known as
"the man who saved
Kerouac's
stuff" or some such hooha. That is moronic. I am sure Mr.
Nicosia
is wise enough to realize people remember great things...and
rarely
the men who brought them about.
Toilets are great...we love 'em...Who made
'em? Who cares? We just know
we need
'em.
Computers are neat...we use 'em. Who made
'em? Who cares? We just like
them.
See
where I'm going with this? Worst case scenario, Mr. Nicosia has some
fiendish
plot to make himself look cool by putting Kerouac's archives in
a
museum or university. Ok...so what? The result is they are in a museum
or
university for the world to look at. What the hell could he possibly
gain?
He doesn't own them so he would make nothing off the sale.
Basically I'm saying..Your rantings are
getting tedious as you skirt the
issues
and just make idiot tirades about what a "mean man" Mr. Nicosia
is. I
don't care if he is or isn't. I will never meet the man. I love his
novel
"Memory Babe" and I admire that he is trying to get Kerouac's stuff
in an
accessible place for all.
I think I can speak for most people here in
saying we don't care about
your
personal issues with Mr. Nicosia. This is not the
'Phil-Chaput-doesn't-like-Mr.
Nicosia-L'
My two cents worth-
Dean Palmer
/\/\/\/\/\~Dean_Palmer@juno.com~/\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/\/\/\~Funny
English Joke; man and wife in living room, phone rings,
man
answers and says he wouldn't know, better call the coast guard, and
hangs
up, wife says, "Who was it, dear?" and man says, "I don't know,
some
damn fool who
wanted
to know if the coast was clear." har-har-har (Neal
Cassady)~/\/\/\/\/\
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:00:51 +0300
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Ilkka Kuosmanen
<ik56385@UTA.FI>
Subject: the mysterious Corso
Dear
all,
I am
new here and have been following the interesting discussions
on this
list concerning the Beats for a while now.
But whatever happened
to
Corso?! I am currently working on a
paper on Corso's poetry, and since
I know
that there are many 'experts' here, I would like to ask you a
question
concerning his poetry. In the poem
called "Clown" he has the
following
line:
"And
for God I am ready with a mouthful of penguins."
Does
anyone know or have any idea as to the meaning of the word
"penguins"? I know that he uses the same expression in
at least a
couple
of other poems as well, so I'm guessing that it's more than just a
whimsical
surrealistic image. Perhaps drug
lingo? Also, if anyone knows
any
academic work that has previously been done on Corso, I'm all ears.
Ilkka
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:30:08 GMT
Reply-To: i12bent@sprog.auc.dk
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "B. Sorensen" <i12bent@SPROG.AUC.DK>
Subject: Kicks, Joy, Darkness
On Mon,
12 May 1997 13:32:16 -0700,
Adrien
Begrand
<vic.begrand@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Thoughts
on the standout tracks (in my opinion at least):
>
>Richard
Lewis' American Trinity of Love: This was the biggest
>surprise...Lewis
abandons his neurotic Jewish comedian shtick and shows
>actual
talent impersonating Kerouac.
Is that
the intention - to impersonate JK, that is? It sure sounds a lot
like
Kerouac's voice does on the box set....
>Juliana
Hatfield's Silly Goofball Pomes: I can't believe some people are
>down
on this one...she gives a fresh, whimsical reading, which is what
>Jack
probably intended. It's a refreshing departure from the usual
>morose
feel of some of Jack's other pomes.
I'm
with you there, Adrien. It's the one piece that makes you smile rather
than
snigger.
>John
Cale's The Moon: One of the very best, perfectly interpreted.
Beautiful
stuff, but you would expect nothing less from Cale...
I'm
surprised no-one has mentioned Eric Andersen's contribution, the 10th
Chorus
of Broklyn Bridge Blues. For me that was a great mood piece - made
me want
to buy that bridge. Anybody selling?
Perhaps
my liking is coloured by my general fandom of Andersen. Check him
out -
he is a legendary songwriter in his own right, although his career
was
sidetracked by his propensity for drinking, hiding out in Norway, and
his
record company's amazing incompetence - they once lost all the master
tapes for
one of his albums....!
Regards,
bs
Department
of Languages and Intercultural Studies
Aalborg
University, Denmark
http://www.hum.auc.dk/i12/org/medarb/bent.uk.html
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:37:54 +0100
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: AC46 <ac46@LEICESTER.AC.UK>
Subject: The horror! The horror!
I can't
believe that I'm reading things about a Prankster reunion. Why
can
monumental experiments like that taken by Kesey and the "Neon
Revolution"
not just be left to history.
I was
nowhere near to being born in the sixties, but the Beats and
"hippies"
are my heroes. When I see them revamped and updated it makes
me lose
some of the love that I had for them in the first place. A year
ago I
was given tickets to go see Dylan. Since that day I cannot listen
to
Dylan without partly seeing the old, haggard, out of tune man that I
saw at
the concert. That is not to say that I no longer love Dylan's
work,
but I am just dissapointed by his reluctance to move with the
times.
In the last few years we have seen Woodstock 2, which in true
nineties
style went off with a wimper, the return of the beatles, and
now
Kesey and co. are back, no doubt with Day-Glo paint all over their
zimmer
frames and taking the bus to the post office every tuesday to
collect
their pensions.
I am
not questioning the validity of these aspects of sixties culture, I
am
merely expressing my dissappointment at the Pranksters for doing it
all
again in the nineties. Maybe there is not enough in our generation
which
can be held as representative of the counteculture, but I for one
would
rather see an unknown group of 20 yr olds who were making valid
nineties
statements, than make a pilgrimage to see the Pranksters who
belonged
to a very specific and real "moment" in American history.
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:53:27 -0400
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: "M. Cakebread"
<cake@IONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: The horror! The horror!
On Tue,
13 May 1997 13:37:54 +0100, AC46 wrote:
>A
year ago I was given tickets to go see Dylan. Since
>that
day I cannot listen to Dylan without partly seeing
>the
old, haggard, out of tune man that I saw at the concert.
>That
is not to say that I no longer love Dylan's work, but I
>am
just dissapointed by his reluctance to move with the
>times.
Please
explain your dissapointment with "his reluctance to
move
with the times." When has Dylan
ever moved with
the
times? Are you looking for
techno-Dylan? Dylan has
been
doing what he's been doing for 37 years, he's perfectly
happy
with what he's doing, so are his long-term fans. People
seem to
forget the enormous impact this man has had on
rock-n-roll
and its culture. Dylan changes more
than you
give
him credit for, to quote Bob, "do you think he's just an
errand
boy to satisfy your wandering desires?"
If you're
looking
for crystal clear, perfect Dylan, you'll never find it.
Part of
what makes him who he is (or all of us for that matter),
are his
flaws, imperfections, etc.
Mike
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:24:23 -0500
Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List"
<BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
From: Nick Weir-Williams
<nweir-w@NWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: New JK books for Fall
Gerry
and all:
I
checked the copyright law properly this time before posting. Please ignore
unless
you're really interested as it gets complicated.
>From
1909 onwards, copyright was provided for 28 years from date of
publication.
At the end of 28 years you could renew for another 47 years,
making
75 in all. If you failed to renew, 28 was all you got. HOWEVER, in
1992
the renewal aspect was significantly changed, and renewal was granted
AUTOMATICALLY
to all books published after January 1, 1964. Now nearly all
the
dates you listed in this post fall just before that date, bt you don't
list
all the dates, so it's possible some of the works may still be
protected.
Anything published after 1978 of falls under the new Death+50
rule
(though it may well become Death+70 in the next few years).
As for
your comment about can you sell books not yet assembled to a
publisher,
of course that's perfectly possible if both sides are willing to
take
the risk and there's enough money put up front by the publisher. It's a
bit
like the infamous 'player to be named later' trade.
Best
Nick
W-W
>
> All I had heard was that Sampas made a
6 book deal for unpublished
>Kerouac
with Viking Penguin in 1993, just weeks before MEMORY BABE got
>(coincidentally?)
kicked out of Viking Penguin. This
included the two
>volumes
of letters, SOME OF THE DHARMA, BOOK OF BLUES, WAKE UP, and one
>other. I don't see how Sampas could sell them
"all the unpublished Kerouac"
>since
there are literally hundreds of notebooks filled with writing that was
>never
published (many of them breast pocket notebooks), and future books
>will
have to be carved out of them by an astute editor. Can he sell books
>that
have not yet even been assembled???
> OKAY, here's the report from Thomson
& Thomson, considered the
>foremost
copyright research authority in the business.
This particular
>report
was prepared for Jan's copyright lawyer Herbert Jacoby by Timothy J.
>Herbert.
> It lists the following books as
without copyright renewal. All of
>Kerouac's
books fell under the old system, which meant the copyright had to
>be
renewed after 28 years from date of publication, with a one year grace
>period. Since all of the books below are past that
one year grace period,
>they
are, to the best of my knowledge, in public domain:
> THE AMERICANS (only the text by
Kerouac, not the photographs, of
course)
> BIG SUR
> BOOK OF DREAMS (only the text
published by City Lights in 1961; note
>the
original manuscript was much larger than what was published by City
>Lights,
and so much of the original text is still unpublished and belongs to
>John
Sampas.)
> EXCERPTS FROM VISIONS OF CODY (the New
Directions special edition,
>published
in 1960) (about 1/3 of the final text, I believe)
> MAGGIE CASSIDY
> PULL MY DAISY (only Jack's ad-libbed
text by Grove Press, published
>in
1961; the song was renewed by Amram et al. in 1988.)
> SCRIPTURE OF THE GOLDEN ETERNITY
> TRISTESSA
> OLD ANGEL MIDNIGHT (the two excerpts
published in BIG TABLE in 1959
>and
in EVERGREEN REVIEW in 1964.)
> Well, you don't believe Sterling Lord
is responsible? Jan signed an
>agreement
with the Sampases in 1986 (so that they would finally pay her the
>royalty
income she was due). That agreement
confirmed that Stella and Jan
>should
split ownership of the copyright renewals, and it made Stella's
>agent,
Sterling Lord, Jan's agent too--for the rest of her life! It also
>said
that Lord would be "both parties' representative of said renewals."
> I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know who
was responsible. Mr. Lord?
>Mr.
Sampas? Mr. Sampas's lawyer? There may be a malpractice suit here
>worth
millions to someone, but it requires investigation.
> For the time being, I'm out of the loop, since Mr. Lash has
got me
>tied
up in a challenge to my executorship in the appellate court of Santa
>Fe,
New Mexico.
> Best always, Gerry Nicosia
>
>
**************************************************************************
*Nil
Carborundum Illegitimis*
It's
better to die on your feet than to live on your knees
Nick
Weir-Williams
Director,
Northwestern University Press, 625 Colfax Street, Evanston, IL 60208
President,
Illinois Book Publishers Association
List
Manager, chipub listserv
ph: 847 491 8114
fax:
847 491 8150