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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 18:28:50 -0500

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From:         talk dirty to me <mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

vanity is good

i haven't read desolation yet but a friend

of mine has and he loved it.

vanity is kind of a culmination. yet it is a good

beginning even though it was the last part in the

whole autobiographical series.  so, i'd try it.

or on the road, the most famous.

 

----------

: From: Tipper Quigg <quigg@INFORAMP.NET>

: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

: Subject: What should I read?

: Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 4:10 PM

:

:         I've come to ask the great Beat community what should I read?

I've

: just finished reading Dharma Bums, and now I don't know what to

read...Here

: are the books on my list that I still haven't read:

:

:         Queer- William Burroughs

:         Desolation Angels- Jack Kerouac

:         Vanity of Duluoz- Jack Kerouac

:         Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac

:

:

:         If you can tell I'm a huge Kerouac fan and Burroughs is right

behind

: him.... I can't wait for your opinions...

:

:

:

:

: help the economy...buy a Neil Young album...

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 18:44:25 -0400

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From:         "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject:      Re: What's the word on Dylan?

 

At 06:31 PM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:

 

>By now, I suppose that everyone on the list has heard a

>news blurb that confirms what Mike told us earlier re:

>Dylan --- appears to be a dangerous heart infection and

>Columbia records is not saying where he is being treated.

 

Don't worry, you won't get the real story from

Columbia!!  {;^> I'll see what I can dig up.

 

Mike

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From:         Malcolm Lawrence <Malcolm@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      It would be his heart...

Comments: To: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell <sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu>,

          "Wingert, Dave" <DWingy@aol.com>

 

Off the AP wire

 

 Bob Dylan Hospitalized

 

 Legendary rocker Bob Dylan has been hospitalized for treatment of a

 potentially life-threatening disease. His publicists say Dylan entered

 an undisclosed hospital last weekend because of severe chest pains. The

 publicists say Dylan has been diagnosed with a disease called

 histoplamosis, which is a potentially fatal infection that creates swelling in

 the

 sack that surrounds the heart. News reports in London say the 56-year-old

 singer/songwriter is hospitalized in New York, but Dylan's publicists

 would not confirm that. Dylan's publicists today called off a European tour.

 Dylan is considered the most influential songwriter of his generation.

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 17:22:25 -0400

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From:         Michael Czarnecki <peent@SERVTECH.COM>

Subject:      Re: let's put the fun back in dysfunction!

 

I'm looking forward to it and we'll coordinate more as we get closer. Been

enjoying the poems you've been posting. A sunny, almost hot day here today.

A good day for oranges.

 

Michael

 

Antoine expresssed some interest in what's going on too.

 

>i'm there, mike, just need to check out ferry on lake champlain, and wings

>to whisk me from landing to the fest. (and i actually have a handfulla

>pomes to share like oranges on a sunny hot day

>mc

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From:         west <anwest@UP.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

>

>Whoa.  I have to say that if we are talking about the superority of the

>one of the beats, my vote is in there for Allen Ginsberg.  He was by far

>the greatest poet of the twentieth century

 

Diane,

 I enjoy Allen Ginsberg more than oxygen, but that's a pretty hefty

claim. I would enjoy a reason if you please.

 

west

 

I belong to the blank generation

and I can take or leave it each time

-Richard Hell

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 19:18:15 -0400

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From:         "Dawn B. Sova" <DawnDR@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: It would be his heart...

 

Thank you, Malcs (pardon my familiarity -- but i believe that you signed

earlier posts in this manner), for the AP message re: Bob Dylan.  I

appreciate whatever word is passed on to the list -- and, not really wanting

to speak for others but, I expect that others among the 200 feel the same.

 

Dawn

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: What's the word on Dylan?

 

M. Cakebread wrote:

>

> At 06:31 PM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:

>

> >By now, I suppose that everyone on the list has heard a

> >news blurb that confirms what Mike told us earlier re:

> >Dylan --- appears to be a dangerous heart infection and

> >Columbia records is not saying where he is being treated.

>

> Don't worry, you won't get the real story from

> Columbia!!  {;^> I'll see what I can dig up.

>

> Mike

 

woke up from long siesta to all this news....

 

remember every face Bob and

 

may God Bless and keep

 

and

 

stay

 

along the Watchtower

 

far between sundowns finish and

 

midnights broken toll

 

i'm with you in my heart and soul where you are

 

now and go here and forever

 

david rhaesa

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 19:42:20 -0400

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: T-shirts

 

In a message dated 97-05-28 18:36:48 EDT, you write:

 

<<

 no prob jeff

 everybody will still be here

 thanks again

 jeremy lawson >>

 

 

Thanks Jeremy -

 

That's the kind of community spirit we all need to recapture here!!

Let's get back to Beatness!!

Let's show Levi Asher that we are worthwhile to subscribe to once again....

JW

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 15:41:49 -0600

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From:         John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject:      re-Jan's funeral

 

Gerry Nicosia wrote:

 

<I've been cut out of Jan's burial, just as I have been cut out of a lot of

<things in the last few years. . . .  As for me, I guess I'll sneak in

someday <when all the furor and hatred have passed, and pay my respects

too.

<Say a prayer for Jan for me that day, will you? Best, Gerry Nicosia

 

It is sad and now sarodically comic that Mr. Nicosia has been cut out of

Jan's funeral, but one imagines Hamlet and Laertes (Sampas as Polonius?)

leaping into Ophelia's grave and dueling there over her reputation and

estate.  Alas, poor Yorick!  We've come to know him well.  // John M.

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: let's put the fun back in dysfunction!

 

In a message dated 97-05-28 10:43:28 EDT, you write:

 

<<  driving up from Corning, NY - Finger Lakes, NY through

 Oneonta, Schenectedy/Albany etc. >>

 

Michael,

You must be backtrailing the old Mohawk Trail.

Pam Plymell

Cherry Valley

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 20:39:47 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: charlie and son on road

 

Patricia:

Thanks.  Send the Rose when you retrieve it from its pressing, Charley will

sign it.

Pam

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 20:43:13 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

In a message dated 97-05-28 19:41:50 EDT, you write:

 

<<  Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac >>

 

Tipper:

When you read Dr. Sax, you should also read Last of the Moccasins by Charles

Plymell available from Waterrow Books (waterrow@aol.com).  There are so many

books to recommend, to start Naked Lunch is a must.

Pam

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From:         Jeanne Vaccaro <SlugBug747@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: It would be his heart...

 

Yea, definately. I am so sad, I cannot believe this. God, I mean, ahhh!  Pray

for him, I surely will be.  I know that he will be fine.  After everything he

has been through, he has to be...

sigh, ciao, jeanne.

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Dylan memories

 

David,

 

        Very nice and somehow comforting to see you string those lines

together so seeming effortlessly. Do you remember when you first heard

Dylan? ...and what was the most memorable hearing of him?

 

        I was in my room in boarding school (Portsmouth, RI just down the

road from Newport...) just after Christmas in 1963. John Cadley had come

back with the first album and as a senior was allowed to have a record

player. He played the album endlessly learning lyrics and tablature phrase

by phrase, but I loved every minute, although not everyone did!

 

        I had been listening to a mixture of Odetta, Joan Baez, Tom Lehrer,

Piaf, Dion and the Belmonts and lots of oldies rock n' roll. Fortunately I'd

also borrowed - and kept for most of a summer the Smithsonian history of

American Music going from the blues with the likes of a teenaged Sonny

Terry, through Bix Beiderbeck, Billie Holiday and on...

 

        Then all of a sudden there was Dylan. He stayed a pretty little

known singer for a long time among my friends. I can remember being at the

beach when the Animals version of "House of the Rising Sun" was played the

first time. [Groton Town Beach Marie if you were ever over that way] and I

went ballistic. Someone was singing Bob Dylan songs on top 40 (never mind he

didn't write it!)

 

        That must have been summer of '64 and the next summer I was standing

on a chair about 20 rows back as Dylan went electric. Read "On the Road" a

few years later without for a long, long time making the connection between

Jack and that cool bearded guy (Ginsberg) that I saw in photos with Dylan.

...and the Rolling Thunder Tour was pretty great. Saw him in Montreal in '66

I guess with a "pick-up" band called the Hawks and thought "shit, where's

Bloomfield and Kooper" and then Garth touched his organ keys!

 

        Apologies for the only slightly Beat post. Very affected by

reminiscence of first few posts about Allen Ginsberg.

 

        Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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From:         Bill Philibin <deadbeat@BUFFNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: A quickie question

 

> alright, I'm new here and basically new to Beat so this may be a stupid

> question, but I was reading the portable Beat reader and an excerpt from

> junk had a character named Jack that killed somebody with a pipe and a

> faucet. Is that Mr. Kerouac?

 

 

        I think that he beat some poor guy to deat with a musical instrument or

something... I can't remember which book I saw that in.  Maybe The town and

the city or a biography or something.  But it was more of a hint and then

nothing else...

 

        -Bill

 

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Dylan memories

 

Antoine Maloney wrote:

>

> David,

>

>         Very nice and somehow comforting to see you string those lines

> together so seeming effortlessly. Do you remember when you first heard

> Dylan? ...and what was the most memorable hearing of him?

>

>         I was in my room in boarding school (Portsmouth, RI just down the

> road from Newport...) just after Christmas in 1963. John Cadley had come

> back with the first album and as a senior was allowed to have a record

> player. He played the album endlessly learning lyrics and tablature phrase

> by phrase, but I loved every minute, although not everyone did!

>

>         I had been listening to a mixture of Odetta, Joan Baez, Tom Lehrer,

> Piaf, Dion and the Belmonts and lots of oldies rock n' roll. Fortunately I'd

> also borrowed - and kept for most of a summer the Smithsonian history of

> American Music going from the blues with the likes of a teenaged Sonny

> Terry, through Bix Beiderbeck, Billie Holiday and on...

>

>         Then all of a sudden there was Dylan. He stayed a pretty little

> known singer for a long time among my friends. I can remember being at the

> beach when the Animals version of "House of the Rising Sun" was played the

> first time. [Groton Town Beach Marie if you were ever over that way] and I

> went ballistic. Someone was singing Bob Dylan songs on top 40 (never mind he

> didn't write it!)

>

>         That must have been summer of '64 and the next summer I was standing

> on a chair about 20 rows back as Dylan went electric. Read "On the Road" a

> few years later without for a long, long time making the connection between

> Jack and that cool bearded guy (Ginsberg) that I saw in photos with Dylan.

> ...and the Rolling Thunder Tour was pretty great. Saw him in Montreal in '66

> I guess with a "pick-up" band called the Hawks and thought "shit, where's

> Bloomfield and Kooper" and then Garth touched his organ keys!

>

>         Apologies for the only slightly Beat post. Very affected by

> reminiscence of first few posts about Allen Ginsberg.

>

>         Antoine

>  Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>      "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

>                         -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

 

there has been an odd connection for me for so long.

 

in the Chronicle of the Twentieth Century one of the headlines for the

week i was born was Dylan heading from Minnesota to New York.  hard to

believe that one.

 

ummm.  i imagine i heard him in college - but lived with two friends who

mostly had wars of sound between Rolling Stones and the Who.

 

Kevin Downey in Hanover turned me on to OTR, Phil Ochs, and Bob Dylan at

nearly the same time.  He was a student of mine.  recall visiting

Folkways in New York City on a trip shortly after that.  Have a copy of

Mo Asch(sp?)'s copy of Broadside issue with Phil Och's retrospective.

bought albums with blind boy grunt and all of that.  recall playing Ochs

and Dylan on the Dartmouth Green at "Artists Against Apartheid" rally in

86 or so.  after that it turned to deeper and deeper interest.  Don't

recall first time I heard Hwy 61 Revisited but it certainly changed me.

Read everything about Dylan i could find.  used to judge a library or

bookstore by its Dylan section.  recall talking to the hippest of the

Iowa faculty in my department (while i was tripping) about the potential

for a dissertation connections contemporary social theory with dylan and

he said impossible.  a sad day.  during my first trip into insanity i

sometimes survived by Dylan lyrics.  i recall the note i left my ex-wife

about the division of our possessions was "take what you need and leave

the rest" :)  many many many memories.  only saw him in concert (in

real-life) once in Iowa City.  i recall Sue Tjardes calling my office

phone and leaving a message with a student worker not to forget my

appointment with Mr. Zimmerman.  She'd bought my ticket.  and she really

got me on that one.  i was running around the damn place "who's Mr.

Zimmerman.  Who's this damn Mr. Zimmerman!"  then it hit me.  i've never

laughed so hard.  several of us met at Sue's and played Dylan songs

before the concert.  all playing what we wanted to hear.  he played

every song i'd played in the concert.  sometimes life is amazing.  flash

forward.  Memorial Day picked up my guitar for the third time in three

years and played "I shall be released" with no knowledge.

 

am looking on web pages about "histoplamosis" but it is difficult to

make too much sense of the medical terminology.  it appears that there

is a medication which is fairly successful in treatment.

 

many memories.  i hope that they continue.  what am i talking about -

they'll continue no matter what happens ... connections this deep -

conscious or unconscious never leave.

 

and for the next verse i'll tell of my trips on Highway 61 .......

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 19:37:41 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

Tipper Quigg wrote:

>

>         I've come to ask the great Beat community what should I read?  I've

> just finished reading Dharma Bums, and now I don't know what to read...Here

> are the books on my list that I still haven't read:

>

>         Queer- William Burroughs

>         Desolation Angels- Jack Kerouac

>         Vanity of Duluoz- Jack Kerouac

>         Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac

>

Tipper,

 

You need some poetry on this list.  As places to start I would suggest

Ginsberg's Howl and Reality Sandwhiches, and a nice smattering of

Snyder, Welch and Whalen, but then those are my tastes.  Robert

Creeley,  and the Black Mtn people also fit here.

 

James

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Dylan memories

 

David wrote:

  "Don't recall first time I heard Hwy 61 Revisited but it certainly changed

me."

 

                "....and for the next verse i'll tell of my trips on Highway

61 ......."

 

David,

 

        Must confess one of my great embarrassing blind spots; until digging

into the history of Son House and the deep blues of Mississippi, I never

amde the Highway 61 connection...never crossed my mind that it was a real

road!    Truly one of my favorite songs along with Tangled up in Blue and

Blind Willie McTell - but then I could sit here all night typing song titles!

 

        Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 19:42:09 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: What's the word on Dylan?

 

Dawn B. Sova wrote:

>

> By now, I suppose that everyone on the list has heard a news blurb that

> confirms what Mike told us earlier re: Dylan --- appears to be a dangerous

> heart infection and Columbia records is not saying where he is being treated.

>

> A major influence on my life -- I feel as if I am waiting for word about a

> family member.

>

> Dawn

 

I hope this is not like when we got the word on Allen's pancreatic

cancer.  Dylan is huge for me, as I am sure he is for a lot of

listmembers.  Let's hope for a good end to this particular story.

 

It's not time for Dylan yet, that's for sure.

 

James

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

Diane wrote

 

 my vote is in there for Allen Ginsberg.  He was by far

> >the greatest poet of the twentieth century

 

Another one who loves Allen, but greater than Pound, greater than

Williams, etc-?-I'm not ready to go nearly that far, would love to see a

defense of that one.  The greatest poet of a century is a pretty tall

order, and I have only mentioned writers working in English.

 

James>

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 23:34:45 -0700

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From:         Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

west wrote:

>

> Diane,

>  I enjoy Allen Ginsberg more than oxygen, but that's a pretty hefty

> claim. I would enjoy a reason if you please.

 

 

I was going to say Allen Ginsberg was the greatest American poet of the

twentieth century but after I wrote "he was by far the greatest poet of

the twentieth century," I realized that I do indeed believe that to be

the case.  Here's a go at the why.  Allen broke barriers of language and

of the mind.  He was the only contemporary visionary poet and I think,

the first since Walt Whitman.  Allen had the visionary inspiration of

Blake but he was able to connect his vision to an America we all know.

He was true to poetic inspiration, and that was an inspiration that could

come from the streets, bars, jails, and madhouses, and at the same time

go beyond them.  He was able to face the darkness of his own mind, the

darkness of America, but write poems that were positive.  He was able to

adapt to a changing society and never lose sight of his vision; he was

able over many generations to create a body of work that was still

timely.  He was able to live on the edge but never fall off the edge.

Through his poetry he gave other poets permission to be themselves.  He

literally saved people's lives because he allowed them the space within

his words to see that their thoughts were OK and that words were only

just that...words.  Self-involvement in poetry can go beyond the self,

indulging in humanness can open the mind to a space beyond humaness. I

think Howl was was his most important work and it speaks to me as much

today as it did when I read it for the first time twenty years ago,

>From Howl

"and who therefore ran through the icy streets obsessed with a sudden

flash of the use of the elipse the catalog the meter & the vibrating

plane the truth of poetry,

who dreamt and made incarnate gaps in Time and Space through images

juxtaposed, and trapped the archangel of the soul between two visual

images...to recreate the syntax and measure of poor human prose, and

stand before you speechless and intelligent and shaking with shame,

rejected yet confessing out the soul to the rhythm of thought in his

naked and endless head..."(from Howl).

Quickly, that's my stab at why.  What do you think?

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: re-Jan's funeral

 

John Mitchell wrote:

>

> Gerry Nicosia wrote:

>

> <I've been cut out of Jan's burial, just as I have been cut out of a lot of

> <things in the last few years. . . .  As for me, I guess I'll sneak in

> someday <when all the furor and hatred have passed, and pay my respects

> too.

> <Say a prayer for Jan for me that day, will you? Best, Gerry Nicosia

>

> It is sad and now sarodically comic that Mr. Nicosia has been cut out of

> Jan's funeral, but one imagines Hamlet and Laertes (Sampas as Polonius?)

> leaping into Ophelia's grave and dueling there over her reputation and

> estate.  Alas, poor Yorick!  We've come to know him well.  // John M.

 

 

John,

 

Your posts  (along with Bill Gargan's stoic occasional refereeing) have

been the only thing that have kept me a step short of homicidal during

this Great Jack Kerouac Estate War.  The Homeric tone, and now

Shakespeare, are perfect.  Thanks for knowing when to talk, and what I

have never learned, when to shut up.

 

James Stauffer

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 22:51:06 -0400

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From:         "Robert H. Sapp" <rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET>

Subject:      Plattsburg

 

Hello Beat-list members,

 

Can the person who originally mentioned it, or any other knowlegeable

soul, provide me with some more info about the June event? Is it an

existing poetry festival or just a get together.?

 

or What?

 

From, Eric

rhs4@crystal.palace.net

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 21:53:30 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Dylan memories

 

Antoine Maloney wrote:

>

> David wrote:

>   "Don't recall first time I heard Hwy 61 Revisited but it certainly changed

> me."

>

>                 "....and for the next verse i'll tell of my trips on Highway

> 61 ......."

>

> David,

>

>         Must confess one of my great embarrassing blind spots; until digging

> into the history of Son House and the deep blues of Mississippi, I never

> amde the Highway 61 connection...never crossed my mind that it was a real

> road!    Truly one of my favorite songs along with Tangled up in Blue and

> Blind Willie McTell - but then I could sit here all night typing song titles!

>

>         Antoine

>  Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>      "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

>                         -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

 

God said to Abraham (zimmerman)

 

give me a son ....

 

61 where the blues traveled north

 

also a fine drive up 61 to the North Country

 

never did catch that

 

girl

 

just a blizzard

 

and a CD store called Postively 4th Street

 

and the

 

salesboy

 

didn't know Dylan from Frank Sinatra

 

 

reading Tarantula at random

 

in Salina

 

and listening to

 

Bob Dillon

 

someplace

 

in a soul near

 

Marysville Kansas.

 

 

david rhaesa

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 23:43:11 -0700

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From:         Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

RACE --- wrote:

>

> my votes, as if anyone cares, are as follows

>

> tie for first - burroughs and neal.

>

> tie for third - ginsberg and kerouac

>

> fifth - corso

>

> tie for sixth - everyone else.

>

> it seems to me from the little i've gathered so far that burroughs was

> the intellectual and anthropological force and neal was the motion and

> go go go behind everything else.

>

> just my wooden nickel

>

> david rhaesa

 

Given your list, I'm curious to find out, in terms of writing produced,

how you think the works of the others would have turned out, if they had

never met Neal.

 

DC

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 22:58:44 -0400

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From:         "Robert H. Sapp" <rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET>

Subject:      Greatest Poets

 

theres been mention of "Ginsberg is the greatest poet of 20th Cent." and

a suggestion that maybe Pound, Willie Wiiliams, etc...

 

Good sound insignificant FUN thread....!

 

Personally, i think the notion of A single greatest poet is self defeating.

 

Though my list of favorites, so far (in exposure, time), would include

Ginsy, Jack Kerouac, cummmmmmminnngs, Buk, Corso, Ferlinghetti, Bob

Dylan, and the list grows. . .

 

 

spilling randomness,

Eric

 

What do you get when you teach a donkey about Freud?

Ass - Id

Acid!

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 20:08:13 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Dylan memories

Comments: To: RACE --- <race@midusa.net>

 

RACE --- wrote:

 

 Read "On the Road" a

> > few years later without for a long, long time making the connection between

> > Jack and that cool bearded guy (Ginsberg) that I saw in photos with Dylan.

> > ...and the Rolling Thunder Tour was pretty great. Saw him in Montreal in '66

> > I guess with a "pick-up" band called the Hawks and thought "shit, where's

> > Bloomfield and Kooper" and then Garth touched his organ keys!

> >

> >         Apologies for the only slightly Beat post. Very affected by

> > reminiscence of first few posts about Allen Ginsberg.

> >

> >         Antoine

> >  Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

> >

> >      "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to

 do!"

> >                         -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

>

> there has been an odd connection for me for so long.

>

> in the Chronicle of the Twentieth Century one of the headlines for the

> week i was born was Dylan heading from Minnesota to New York.  hard to

> believe that one.

>

> ummm.  i imagine i heard him in college - but lived with two friends who

> mostly had wars of sound between Rolling Stones and the Who.

>

> Kevin Downey in Hanover turned me on to OTR, Phil Ochs, and Bob Dylan at

> nearly the same time.  He was a student of mine.  recall visiting

> Folkways in New York City on a trip shortly after that.  Have a copy of

> Mo Asch(sp?)'s copy of Broadside issue with Phil Och's retrospective.

> bought albums with blind boy grunt and all of that.  recall playing Ochs

> and Dylan on the Dartmouth Green at "Artists Against Apartheid" rally in

> 86 or so.  after that it turned to deeper and deeper interest.  Don't

> recall first time I heard Hwy 61 Revisited but it certainly changed me.

> Read everything about Dylan i could find.  used to judge a library or

> bookstore by its Dylan section.  recall talking to the hippest of the

> Iowa faculty in my department (while i was tripping) about the potential

> for a dissertation connections contemporary social theory with dylan and

> he said impossible.  a sad day.

 

I saw an interesting interview with Al Kooper on the effect of that

orga  work with Dylan.  He had never really been an organ player, just

agreed to do that organ work to get in the session, and it changed his

life.  But I liked him with the Blues Project also.,

 

James

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 08:33:08 -0400

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From:         Tipper Quigg <quigg@INFORAMP.NET>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

At 08:43  28/05/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-05-28 19:41:50 EDT, you write:

>

><<  Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac >>

>

>Tipper:

>When you read Dr. Sax, you should also read Last of the Moccasins by Charles

>Plymell available from Waterrow Books (waterrow@aol.com).  There are so many

>books to recommend, to start Naked Lunch is a must.

>Pam

>

>

>       Oh I've read Naked Lunch and worship it...I've read a whole bunch of

stuff, these are just the ones I have left to read....

 

                Peace

 

        Tipper

 

 

 

 

help the economy...buy a Neil Young album...

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 05:50:38 EDT

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From:         Joe <100106.1102@COMPUSERVE.COM>

 

in the realm of fear and fantasy

i am drunk in charge of my mind

                              in the realm of spontaneous reality

i am stoned at the wheel of my dream

                         anxious

not to be

               caught

                                       out

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 02:43:34 -0400

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From:         Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject:      This List is Stong

 

There is a certain person who shall remain nameless who seems to be trying to

use a series of posts about who is going to be left to buy a particular

T-Shirt as a vehicle to continue his argument that the heated disussions over

the Estate Debate has seriously damaged the Beat-L.  This nameless person is

trying to create the impression that this list is going to dry up and blow

away due to some of the heat that was generated the last few weeks.  And

given some of this nameless person's previous posts about me personally I get

the distinct impression he is trying to make it look like only one particular

"Basketball Team" is to blame for people unsubscribing.  I must take issue

with this entire line of reasoning!

 

In the wee hours of the morning I went thru a bunch of emails that I

downloaded to my computer.  Specifically I used the Listserv return message

where it says "YOUR  MESSAGE HAS BEEN SUCCESSFULLY DISTRIBUTED TO XXX PEOPLE

ON THE BEAT-L" to track the number of people that have been on the list since

the beginning of the year.

 

(As an aside I have heard before that the number of people mentioned in this

return message is not exactly the number of people on the list, that in fact

there are more people on the list than are mentioned in that message.

 Regardless of the accuracy of the number I would imagine the ratios must be

relatively accurate, which would suggest the conclusions should be the same.

 And if I am in any way inaccurate in any of this I would appreciate a

correction providing the true data.)

 

Here's what my research indicates:

 

DATE                    # of Beat-l Recipients

 

01/16/97                         169

01/21/97                         179

01/26/97                         182

02/24/97                         185

03/24/97                         200

04/05/97                         Allen Ginsberg Dies

04/07/97                         229

04/08/97                         231

04/09/97                         241

04/13/97                         245

04/20/97                         Rod Anstee's Estate Saga Post

04/24/97                         Gerry Nicosia joins the list

04/26/97                         226

04/30/97                         214

05/01/97                         212

05/02/97                         203

05/03/97                         200

05/04/97                         205

05/05/97                         211

05/07/97                         207

05/11/97                         210

05/14/97                         205

05/16/97                         207

05/23/97                         202

05/24/97                         200

05/25/97                         193   Memorial Day Weekend

05/26/97                         194

05/27/97                         193

05/28/97                         186   The Big Sign-Off

 

 

What this tells me is despite the fact that a few people signed off

temporarily in protest we are not in danger of destroying this list.  We all

know people come and go from this thing all the time.  People sign on for a

while and sign off after a day or two - happens all the time - how often do

we see a post that says "Get me oughta here"?

 

And of course we saw a big blip when AG died and after a week or two people

started unsubbing who didn't want to hang around.  And we continued to see

fluctuations and then the Big Sign Off from Monday also happened to coincide

with the Memorial Day weekend.

 

Now other than Derek and Levi I don't know who may or may not have unsubbed,

and I think we're all relatively confident those two will reappear when the

smoke has cleared.

 

 

My conclusion therefore is I do not believe the Beat-l is in any mortal

danger.  We all survived the Whitehead/Anstee war of six months ago and we'll

survive the Great Estate Debate as well.  And I venture to say there will be

more flame wars in the future over who knows what and I'll bet a dollar to

donuts we survive those as well.

 

We Will Now Return Control Of Your Televison Sets...

 

 

Jerry Cimino

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 01:12:02 -0500

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From:         Natalie Foster <nfoster@SOUTHWIND.NET>

Subject:      Re: Greatest Poets

 

Add William Carlos Williams??

 

natalie

 

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From:   Robert H. Sapp[SMTP:rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET]

Sent:   Wednesday, May 28, 1997 9:58 PM

To:     Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L

Subject:        Greatest Poets

 

theres been mention of "Ginsberg is the greatest poet of 20th Cent." and

a suggestion that maybe Pound, Willie Wiiliams, etc...

 

Good sound insignificant FUN thread....!

 

Personally, i think the notion of A single greatest poet is self defeating.

 

Though my list of favorites, so far (in exposure, time), would include

Ginsy, Jack Kerouac, cummmmmmminnngs, Buk, Corso, Ferlinghetti, Bob

Dylan, and the list grows. . .

 

 

spilling randomness,

Eric

 

What do you get when you teach a donkey about Freud?

Ass - Id

Acid!

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 01:50:02 -0400

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject:      Naked Lunch

 

Pam:

 

Starting Naked Lunch is one thing, finishing it another.  Understanding

it, well, I don't know.

 

Peace,

 

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 23:21:40 -0700

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From:         Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>

Subject:      parting words

 

I'll be leaving the list for an indefinite period, but I'd like to say

that since I joined last September for the most part beat-l was

extremely beneficial to me. It reached its zenith two months ago, but

unfortunately its nadir is occuring now.

Before I leave, however:

 

Rinaldo: keep it up, you're the beetle poet laureate. Loved all yr

posts, including the floods.

 

Marie: you're the voice of reason, hope you're still here if and when I

return.

 

Jeffrey: Don't worry, I have every intention of honoring my t-shirt

promise.

 

Mr. Nicosia, Mr. Anstee, and the others involved in bringing this list

down: sure, a couple of you may be published writers, but yr constant

posturing and ego-defending has left me with a sour taste in my mouth.

You've all been acting like a bunch of babies these past few weeks. It

took a horrifiying personal tragedy today to teach me how petty yr

constant caterwauling has been.

 

Cheers to all the rest,

hope to see you all soon.

 

Adios

 

Adrien

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 23:21:02 -0700

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From:         Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>

Subject:      (no subject)

 

FATHER DEATH BLUES

 

Hey father death, I'm flying home

Hey poor man, you're all alone

Hey old daddy, I know where I'm going

 

Father Death, Don't cry anymore

Mama's there, underneath the floor

Brother Death, please mind the store

 

Old Aunty Death  Don't hide your bones

Old Uncle Death  I hear your groans

O Sister Death  how sweet your moans

 

O Children Deaths go breathe your breaths

Sobbing breasts'll ease your Deaths

Pain is gone, tears take the rest

 

Genius death  your art is done

Lover Death your body's gone

Father Death  I'm coming home

 

Guru Death your words are true

Teacher Death I do thank you

For inspiring me to sing this Blues

 

Buddha Death, I wake with you

Dharma Death, your mind is new

Sangha Death, we'll work it through

 

Suffering is what was born

Ignorance made me forlorn

Tearful truths I cannot scorn

 

Father Breath once more farewell

Birth you gave was no thing ill

My heart is still, as time will tell.

 

 

tearfully yrs

and with an eli eli lama lama sabachtani saxophone cry,

Adrien

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 01:18:49 -0400

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject:      The Devil Came From Kansas

 

The Devil Came From Kansas

(music Gary Brooker/words Keith Reid)

4th cut first side of Procol Harum/A Salty Dog A&M SP 3123

1969

I.

 

The Devil came from Kansas

Where he went to, I can't say.

Though I teach, I'm not a preacher,

And I aim to stay that way.

 

There's a monkey riding on my back

Been there for some time

He says he knows me very well

And he's no friend of mine.

 

Chorus:

I'm not a humble pilgrim,

There's no need to scrap and squeeze,

Don't beg for silver paper,

When I'm trying to sell you cheap (cheese???).

 

II.

 

The Devil came from Kansas

Where he went to I can't say

And if you really are my brother

Then you better start to pray,

 

For the sins of those departed

And those about to go

There's a dark cloud above us

Don't tell me 'cause I know

 

Chorus

 

Guitar break (Robin Trower)

 

Though I never came from Kansas

Don't forget to thank the cook

Which reminds of me of my duty

I was lost but now I look

 

For the turning Kansas sign post

And the road that which you down

To that pool inside a forest

In whose water I will drown.

 

Chorus

 

More hot Trower guitar on the fade out.

 

What is a weird english wanna be poet doing writing these words in a

song about traveling in sailing vessels in the 1800's etc.

 

Wreck of the Hesperus another of the songs?

 

Weird David, if you don't have this album get it, it is great.  But this

song always annoyed me.  Like maybe it is true or something.  Though I

am sure it is another archetype.

 

Peace,

 

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 00:49:01 -0400

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From:         Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

Tipper,

 

I'd vote for Desolation Angels.  IMO it is Jack's best book, except for a few

others that were his best as well!

 

DA will blends well with the spirituality of Dharma Bums but also leads you

into the excitement and action similar to On The Road.  DA was the first

Kerouac Book I ever read and it's what hooked me on JK.

 

Consider too (my opinion mind you) Visions of Gerard (gentle/wonderful/holy)

Maggie Cassidy (first love;women tend to like this book). Vanity of Duluoz is

very readable for most beginners to JK.  Subterraneans and Dr. Sax are a

little more sophisticated and Visions of Cody is also Jack's best book but

you must be constantly stoned in order to be able to pay attention to it for

long periods.

 

I tend to read a few books by the same author in a row to maintain a flow

hence the pass on WSB for now.  Junky is much more readable to someone new to

Burroughs than Naked Lunch IMO.

 

Dig in and enjoy!

 

 

Jerry Cimino

Fog City Facts & Fiction

1-800-KER-OUAC

www.kerouac.com

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 21:48:17 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: re-Jan's funeral

 

At 03:41 PM 5/28/97 -0600, you wrote:

>Gerry Nicosia wrote:

>

><I've been cut out of Jan's burial, just as I have been cut out of a lot of

><things in the last few years. . . .  As for me, I guess I'll sneak in

>someday <when all the furor and hatred have passed, and pay my respects

>too.

><Say a prayer for Jan for me that day, will you? Best, Gerry Nicosia

>

>It is sad and now sarodically comic that Mr. Nicosia has been cut out of

>Jan's funeral, but one imagines Hamlet and Laertes (Sampas as Polonius?)

>leaping into Ophelia's grave and dueling there over her reputation and

>estate.  Alas, poor Yorick!  We've come to know him well.  // John M.

>

 

        Where I come from, they used to consider joking about the dead in

bad taste.

 

                                                        -- GMN

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 00:36:49 -0400

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

 

> James Stauffer wrote:

>

> > Diane wrote

> >

> >  my vote is in there for Allen Ginsberg.  He was by far

> > > >the greatest poet of the twentieth century

> >

> > Another one who loves Allen, but greater than Pound, greater than

> > Williams, etc-?-I'm not ready to go nearly that far, would love to

> see

> > a

> > defense of that one.  The greatest poet of a century is a pretty

> tall

> > order, and I have only mentioned writers working in English.

> >

> > James>

>

>  TS Eliot is the best this Century.  I mean the Allman Brothers named

> the album that they dedicated to Duane EAT A PEACH.

>

>     And indeed there will be time

> To wonder, 'Do I dare?' and, 'Do I dare?'

> Time to turn back and descend the stair,

> With a bald spot in the middle of my hair --

> (They will say: 'How his hair is growing thin!')

> My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin,

> My necktie rich and modest, but asserted with a simple pin --

> (They will say: 'But how his arms and legs are thin!')

> Do I dare

> Disturb the universe?

> In a minute there is time

> For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.

>

>     For I have known them all already, known them all --

> Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons,

> I have measured out my life with coffee spoons;

> I know the voices dying with a dying fall

> Beneath the music from a farther room,

>     So how should I presume?

>

> ............

>

> I am no prophet -- and here's no great matter;

> I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,

> And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker,

> And in short, I was afraid.

>

> ...........................

>

>     I grow old...I grow old...

> I shall wear the bottom of my trousers rolled.

>

>     Shall I part my hair behind?  Do I dare to eat a peach?

>

> .........................

>

> We have lingered in the chambers of the sea

> By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown

> Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

>

> >From the Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock, 1917

> T.S. Eliot

>

> My they will say

>

> --

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

>

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

 

 

 

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 00:07:21 -0400

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject:      Do what is right

 

This ain't no poem

This ain't no ode

It ain't the greatest

Story to be told

 

But if the funeral is dere

Invite her friends

Even if dey is

sickening you

 

do the right thing

bring love to the world

its only a body

its not the girl

 

do the right thing

bring love to the world

open yer heart

else nothing gets in

 

in the end, in the light

whether we like it

or not, our dharma is waiting

did you do right

 

or did ya just hang on

to yr worldly passions

heaven or hell

yr actions tell

 

it ain't no prize

to be one

its just when its over

was the right thing done

 

Do it Do it do do do do do do it!

 

Yeah!!!!!!!

 

Peace and love,

 

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 21:08:31 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: A quickie question

 

At 07:09 PM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:

>> alright, I'm new here and basically new to Beat so this may be a stupid

>> question, but I was reading the portable Beat reader and an excerpt from

>> junk had a character named Jack that killed somebody with a pipe and a

>> faucet. Is that Mr. Kerouac?

>

>

>        I think that he beat some poor guy to deat with a musical instrument or

>something... I can't remember which book I saw that in.  Maybe The town and

>the city or a biography or something.  But it was more of a hint and then

>nothing else...

 

No.

 

This story would be referring to him and a bunch of football players drunk

and hitting some guy with his violin.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 00:00:18 -0400

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject:      Could be worse

 

A beat is ill.  Bob Dylan is reported to have suffered a heart attack.

The Dylan list says it is an infection in the lining of  the heart which

can be fatal.

 

Your prayers should be gifted to him, if you choose to send him Love.

 

We just lost Allen, no need to lose another this soon.

 

And is the Never Ending Tour ending?

 

That there is and there ain't no more,

If you want any more, you got to sing it yerself.

 

Peace, and best to Bob,

 

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 23:33:48 -0400

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From:         Michael Czarnecki <peent@SERVTECH.COM>

Subject:      Re: let's put the fun back in dysfunction!

 

>In a message dated 97-05-28 10:43:28 EDT, you write:

>

><<  driving up from Corning, NY - Finger Lakes, NY through

> Oneonta, Schenectedy/Albany etc. >>

>

>Michael,

>You must be backtrailing the old Mohawk Trail.

>Pam Plymell

>Cherry Valley

 

Pam,

>From home, Wheeler Hill (north of Corning, 32 mi., near 2,000' high) follow

the Susquehanna watershed for 160 miles or so, downstream Conhocton River,

upstream Susquehanna. Mostly Seneca territory in the hills of southern New

York State (political boundaries so often completely disregarding natural

boundaries).Then into Mohawk trail country for a bit. Cherry Valley part of

Mohawk drainage, isn't it?

 

Ah, the heart always races a bit faster when heading north.  In any event,

the creativity, poetry, sharing of selves through the written/spoken word

always exciting in new territory.

 

I'll be in Gloversville, NY 10th and 11th of June, reading with Rhonda

Morton at coffeeshop and also young writers workshop/reading. How far's

that from CV?

 

Michael

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 23:23:12 -0400

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From:         "Dawn B. Sova" <DawnDR@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: T-shirts

 

In a message dated 97-05-28 20:32:18 EDT, you write:

 

<<

 >>

Dear Jeff:

 

Jeremy said it for many of us - keep the t-shirts coming!  And, although I

have failed to say it before --- thank you for going through the work

regarding the shirts.

 

Dawn

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 23:32:54 -0400

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From:         Paul Maher <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Some of the Dharma

 

Hi all....Some of the Dharama...according to an advance uncorrected proof I

saw will be approx. 350 -400 pages in small print, hardcover, and ina

typeset facsimile of Jack Kerouac's exact notebook and journal jottings. It

has an unpublished photo of him on the cover. It will reveal Kerouac to be

what Allen Ginsber said, "a brilliant, intuitive Buddhist scholar." It will

be out in early September.

    Did you know Jack has a novel-length manuscript written in French called

"The Night Is My Woman"? It will be published one day when it is fully

translated.

    He also considered Vladimir Nabokov the "world's greatest, living

writer" according to his inscribed copy of Lolita.

    There will be an "official" biography of Jack Kerouac.

    All the notebooks of Jack Kerouac will be published together.

                                      Regards to all, Paul of The Kerouac

Quarterly

                             Vol. I, No. 2 coming soon.....

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Date:         Wed, 28 May 1997 22:09:26 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

Diane Carter wrote:

>

> RACE --- wrote:

> >

> > my votes, as if anyone cares, are as follows

> >

> > tie for first - burroughs and neal.

> >

> > tie for third - ginsberg and kerouac

> >

> > fifth - corso

> >

> > tie for sixth - everyone else.

> >

> > it seems to me from the little i've gathered so far that burroughs was

> > the intellectual and anthropological force and neal was the motion and

> > go go go behind everything else.

> >

> > just my wooden nickel

> >

> > david rhaesa

>

> Given your list, I'm curious to find out, in terms of writing produced,

> how you think the works of the others would have turned out, if they had

> never met Neal.

>

> DC

 

impossible to guess.  they probably would have been Wall Street Lawyers

without Neal and/or Burroughs.... :)

 

seems like that long letter from Neal showed them how they wanted to

write.

 

kerouac's famous novel would be "On the Campus" a tale about Columbia

and Morningside Park  .... :)

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 09:53:40 EDT

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 28 May 1997 23:34:45 -0700 from

              <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

 

Diane, I couldn't agree more with your eloquent post.  I think you

should send a copy to Hilton Kramer.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 10:06:48 EST

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From:         MORE OXY THAN MORON <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Guidelines for Discourse-Sad day for beat-l

 

David O says the manuscript of William Burroughs Jr is pretty choppy and

fragmented but contains poems and drawings too. David Ohle (author of MOTORMAN)

will edit as best he can and take it from there. Will keep you posted. John

Giorno is coming into town tonight in the meanwhile.

 

Dave B.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 10:51:10 -0400

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From:         Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

READ :

THE PLACE OF DEAD ROADS

THE WESTERN LANDS (especially this one)

by William S Burroughs.  they are, in my opinion, his best.  they're like

candy for your brain...i read them over and over and over and never wanted

them to end.  If youve already read them, ignore this, but if you haven't,

i'm very jealous of you cause you got the best read of your life ahead of

you.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 10:54:36 -0400

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From:         "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Could be worse

 

At 12:00 AM 5/29/97 -0400, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

 

>A beat is ill.  Bob Dylan is reported to have suffered a

>heart attack. The Dylan list says it is an infection in the

>lining of  the heart which can be fatal.

 

Not a heart attack from my sources.  Histioplasmosis is the

diagnosis (an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).

A fungal infection of the sac surrounding the heart.  I've

heard that there is a pretty good chance of

turn around, although it may take months.  I believe this

can be treated with antibiotics (intravenous), and if

worse comes to worse, surgery.  Who knows the real story

besides the man himself, we know how secretive he can

be!!  I say, Bob rest up and get better, scrap the August

N. American tour and take advantage of your down time

to get better.

 

Mike

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 10:05:13 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Could be worse

 

M. Cakebread wrote:

>

> At 12:00 AM 5/29/97 -0400, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

>

> >A beat is ill.  Bob Dylan is reported to have suffered a

> >heart attack. The Dylan list says it is an infection in the

> >lining of  the heart which can be fatal.

>

> Not a heart attack from my sources.  Histioplasmosis is the

> diagnosis (an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).

> A fungal infection of the sac surrounding the heart.  I've

> heard that there is a pretty good chance of

> turn around, although it may take months.  I believe this

> can be treated with antibiotics (intravenous), and if

> worse comes to worse, surgery.  Who knows the real story

> besides the man himself, we know how secretive he can

> be!!  I say, Bob rest up and get better, scrap the August

> N. American tour and take advantage of your down time

> to get better.

>

> Mike

 

i just heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee

where Bob played not too long ago.  I'm serious - that's what i heard.

i think the friend said it is in today's USA TODAY.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 11:06:54 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      good byes

In-Reply-To:  <338CFF51.A9D8A480@scsn.net>

 

what a long strange trip its been:

 

timlearyjerrygarciaallenginsberg.

 

bob, if at all possible, could you stick around for a while more with us?

 

mc

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 11:14:55 -0400

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From:         Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

In a message dated 97-05-29 11:00:35 EDT, you write:

 

<<

 kerouac's famous novel would be "On the Campus" a tale about Columbia

 and Morningside Park  .... :)

  >>

while we're on that track...Burroughs' would be "Sunday Brunch", set in the

College Inn, a diner on Broadway with really greasy food and lots of roaches,

of course.

 

Ginsberg's...."Scowl", about haughty ivy league kids trying to out-cool each

other, walking around campus looking down their noses at each other in

disdain.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 10:20:13 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: The Devil Came From Kansas

 

R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

>

> The Devil Came From Kansas

> The Devil came from Kansas

> The Devil came from Kansas

> Though I never came from Kansas

> For the turning Kansas sign post

 

> Weird David,  this song always annoyed me.  Like maybe it is true or

 something.  Though I am sure it is another archetype.

 

and what makes you think that archetypes aren't true?

wonder what vision of Kansas they have here in writing this.

Maybe it's the old John Brown legend.  A few thought of him as Devil.

Others thought other-wise.

always likes "some say i got devil, some say i got angel" by melanie

myself.

if the guitar solo includes a patch of "Home on the Range" and

sunflowers spontaneously grow in your garden while listening to it, then

the song is definitely TRUE.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

>

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 11:22:15 -0400

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From:         Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject:      No Subject hah

 

took off my opened the door coat bathroom ran the to before i could close it

I----was panting ripped it bag fast open as i cooked could spoon black

there's death in safety, safety in death, said she with a look of horrified

comprehension as it hit home and she gave one last flicker like a tv set that

just turned off.

 

The smell of charcoal and warm molasses.  the bitter taste of blood mixed

with rubbing alcohol, licked off my arm.  Regrets of a typewriter and

Brooklyn days.  Chaos is not to be fucked with, I'm afraid.  for what dreams

may come? I dreamed something was chasing me, no--I was chasing it.  No.

Something was chasing me. No.

You can never go back. They say it and it's true. The hard way. Can you live

with that? Did you know no one can see the same as you? Was that part of the

bargain? I don't think so. I've been had.   Eternal longing for the present

to remain so. Nostalgia for what is, or never was.  Do you wanna slap me? No,

go ahead, I want you to.

 

In other words, everything is familiar to me....everything is similar.  Not

similar to, just similar.  All i can say is thank god everything in this

world is connected in this way, or i'd have nothing to live for.  A

"connections explorer", discovering neural pathways no man woman or dog has

ever before sent synapses across.  micro/macro-scopic vision simultaneously.

 Now i'm fighting for the most insane thing i could think of, which is to

think.

 

Please, god, don't leave me now.

 

 

>I think wsb explored further and deeper the limits of what can be done with

>words....he manipulated them and juxtaposed them to create new associative

>pathways, not just poetry but Original Thought.  Although I like the poetry

>of the other beats, it's their prose i find less-than-satisfying.  Somehow

it

>doesn't make my synapses snap, crackle and pop like Burroughs' does.

> Although I enjoy the "moods" of Kerouac and Ginsberg, (sad, nostalgic,

>despairing, ironic, gleeful, etc.) I prefer the biting sarcasm and

>intersecting plateaus of humor, disgust, bitterness, futility and hope in

>Burroughs' work.   Not to mention the intellectual stimulation i get from

>reading him, which ultimately, inevitably, climaxes into a physical

expulsion

>of words/paintings/music by me......

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 10:23:14 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

Maya Gorton wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-05-29 11:00:35 EDT, you write:

>

> <<

>  kerouac's famous novel would be "On the Campus" a tale about Columbia

>  and Morningside Park  .... :)

>   >>

> while we're on that track...Burroughs' would be "Sunday Brunch", set in the

> College Inn, a diner on Broadway with really greasy food and lots of roaches,

> of course.

 

Is this the Diner a few blocks southwest of Columbia?  The Suzanne Vega

song about Tom's Diner describes the one i'm thinking about perfectly as

well.

>

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 11:44:10 -0400

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From:         Bruce Hartman <bwhartmanjr@INAME.COM>

Subject:      For Bill Gargan

 

Bill,

 

Could you contact me off list by e-mail.  I don't have your email address

and there's no point in carrying this out on list.

 

many thanks,

 

Bruce Hartman

bwhartmanjr@iname.com

http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 10:50:16 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: No Subject hah

 

Maya Gorton wrote:

>

 

wonderful passage provided.  i took the liberty of some linear

restructuring in the first paragraph for those who need it - but of

course - the situation being described is far beyond linear and the

confusion so profound that the mixing of the words actually makes the

most sense.  also a few random cheers from the choir thrown in

parenthetically.

 

 

opened the door/took off my coat/ran to the bathroom before i could

close it (the door not the coat)

> I----was panting/ I----ripped bag open fast/

as it cooked i could spoon black/

"there's death in safety, safety in death," said she with a look of

horrified comprehension as it (not the comprehension) hit home and she

gave one last flicker like a tv set that just turned off.

>

> The smell of charcoal and warm molasses.  the bitter taste of blood mixed with

 rubbing alcohol, licked off my arm.  Regrets of a typewriter and Brooklyn days.

  Chaos is not to be fucked with, I'm afraid.  for what dreams may come? I

 dreamed something was chasing me, no--I was chasing it.  No. Something was

 chasing me. No.

 

(incredible - he could have just set something like "she was confused")

 

> You can never go back. They say it and it's true. The hard way. Can you live

 with that? Did you know no one can see the same as you? Was that part of the

 bargain? I don't think so. I've been had.

 

(who hasn't felt this thought?)

 

Eternal longing for the present to remain so. Nostalgia for what is, or

never was.

 

(another universal feeling)

 

Do you wanna slap me? No, go ahead, I want you to.

 

(damn funny)

>

> In other words, everything is familiar to me....everything is similar.  Not

 similar to, just similar.

 

(he is way ahead of the postmodernists right here)

 

All i can say is thank god everything in this world is connected in this

way, or i'd have nothing to live for.  A "connections explorer",

discovering neural pathways no man woman or dog has ever before sent

synapses across.  micro/macro-scopic vision simultaneously.

 

(this provides a great clue in to "how" to read burroughs)

 

>  Now i'm fighting for the most insane thing i could think of, which is to

 think.

 

 Please, god, don't leave me now.

>

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:14:24 -0400

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From:         "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Could be worse

 

At 10:05 AM 5/29/97 -0500, david rhaesa wrote:

 

>i just heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee

>where Bob played not too long ago.  I'm serious - that's what i heard.

>i think the friend said it is in today's USA TODAY.

 

I believe you can also carry the infection for years before it

sufaces and becomes serious.  Not to say this is the case,

maybe he did get it while in the Indiana, Tennessee area?

 

Mike

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:16:14 -0400

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: T-shirts

 

In a message dated 97-05-29 09:48:34 EDT, you write:

 

<< Dear Jeff:

 

 Jeremy said it for many of us - keep the t-shirts coming!  And, although I

 have failed to say it before --- thank you for going through the work

 regarding the shirts.

 

 Dawn

  >>

 

Dawn: Thanks for your vote of confidence...

 

Here's the latest news for all you Beat-L supporters and well-mannered polite

members of Klub Kerouac:

 

The S. Clay Wilson artwork for the shirt is completed and the shirts are

being silkscreened now out in Oakland, California (giving the shirts a "Bay

Area/San Francisco" birthplace)...

 

S. Clay Wilson, well-reknowned for his work with R. Crumb and other

underground cartoonists on ZAP comix, is a very detailed, meticulous

arteeeste but I must say that working with him on this project has been a

real pleasure....If you get a chance, check out his other stuff that's

available...

 

The Beat-L T-shirt shows a bearded and beret-headed old poet selling poems

for spare change...a college coed/librarian type drops a coin in the tin cup

as the Beat poet's heart flutters at her bountiful sight...The coed imagines

a falling leaf as "sheer poetry" - a nice take-off on R. Crumb's famous image

of a Ginsberg-type guy standing in a tenement NYC neighborhood watching a

leaf fall through the air, thinking, "This to me is sheer poetry." (the Crumb

image was used on the cover of

Art Spiegelman/Bill Griffith's ARCADE a looong time ago and the image was

recently

re-issued on a Crumb signed/numbered silkscreen print) - WHOA - back to the

subject,Jeffrey - you're floating away (again!) -

 

Anyway, that's the Beat-L T-shirt image.....The "Beat-L" name is highlighted

across the background and below the spare change endowed Beat poet, there's

the address for the Beat-L so passers-by who see your shirt will run home and

join the list!

There's even a nice note of recognition to Brooklyn College (a tip of the

beret to William Gargan for putting up with all our BS recently!) -

 

The T-shirt is available in sizes Large - Extra Large - and Extra Extra

Large.

The shirt is the best quality available 100% cotton Fruit of the Loom

preshrunk.

Black ink on gorgeous light blue (as of press time today)...

 

I promised to make the shirt available to Beat-L members at my cost and so I

shall...

Since I had made only a few hundred rather than thousands of shirts...the

price to have them made was higher than I originally thought. I paid S. Clay

Wilson $1000.00

to do the project and there were miscellaneous set-up charges at the T-shirt

printers. But with the help of Bruce Hilvitz at Oink! Design in San Francisco

(co-owner of SF's "Scairy Hairy Toy Company" (check out their web page for

great handmade toys and other cooool stuff: www.scairyhairy.com), everything

has been fun- in fact to answer Zippy the Pinhead: "Yes, we are having fun

(yet)".

With shipping to all the dark corners of the globe in a sturdy

label-addressed

postage affixed mailing bag - the grand total for this fabulous Beat-L

T-shirt is

only $18.00 (no tax/no handling/no hidden charges) -

As usual, Water Row Books stands behind this T-shirt with the Water Row

"satisfaction guranteed" guarantee. Master Card/Visa/Check/Money Order

accepted.

Don't forget t ell me what size you desire (L-XL-XXL)...

The shirts will be ready to ship in about 2-3 weeks...

Foreign folks: if you want your shirts shipped air mail, please add $5.00.

I'll pay the way for surface mail if you don't mind waiting a month to

receive your order...

 

I have posted the artwork for the shirt on the web for you all to check

out...

Please remember that no computer screen scanned image can do justice to

Wilson's glorious use of tone, depth,and shading...His stuff is chock full of

detail and very intense!!! The web page will give you some ides of the

image...This shirt is awesome!!!

 

I am in the process of  building a Water Row web site but in the meanwhile,

here's the temporary addresses to check out the shirt and some other Beat

stuff:

 

The Beat-L T-Shirt Site: http://shell6.ba.best.com/~waterrow/beatl.html/

 

Other Water Row Beat T-shirts:

http://shell6.ba.best.com/~waterrow/shirtpage/html/

 

Water Row Press Beat Books In Print:

http://shell6.ba.best.com/~waterrow/inprint.html/

 

I hope all these addresses work...If not, blame it on Bruce Hilvitz (Web

Mashugana)..

 

Oh - one more thing: Sources tell me that Charlie Plymell, resident Beat-L

poet and auteur extrodinaire, was the model for the Beat poet on Beat-L

shirt!

 

Later, Daddy (and Mommy) -'Os

 

Jeffrey H. Weinberg

Water Row Books

PO Box 438

Sudbury MA 01776

Tel 508-485-8515

Fax 508-229-0885

EMail Waterrow@aol.com

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 11:17:52 -0500

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From:         Jeff Taylor <taylorjb@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Could be worse

In-Reply-To:  <338D9B29.4E27@midusa.net>

 

On Thu, 29 May 1997, RACE --- wrote:

 

> > Not a heart attack from my sources.  Histioplasmosis is the

> > diagnosis (an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).

>

> i just heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee

> where Bob played not too long ago.  I'm serious - that's what i heard.

 

ACK! I hope not.....!

 

Jeff Taylor

nashville, tennessee

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 18:30:47 +0200

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From:         Nils-Xivind Haagensen <Nils-Oivind.Haagensen@LILI.UIB.NO>

Subject:      my definition...

 

I'm not beat

I just can't sleep

 

nh

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:36:26 -0400

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz kirby

Subject:      Re: The Devil Came From Kansas

 

RACE --- wrote:

 

> R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

> >

> > The Devil Came From Kansas

> > The Devil came from Kansas

> > The Devil came from Kansas

> > Though I never came from Kansas

> > For the turning Kansas sign post

>

> > Weird David,  this song always annoyed me.  Like maybe it is true or

>

>  something.  Though I am sure it is another archetype.

>

> and what makes you think that archetypes aren't true?

> wonder what vision of Kansas they have here in writing this.

> Maybe it's the old John Brown legend.  A few thought of him as Devil.

> Others thought other-wise.

> always likes "some say i got devil, some say i got angel" by melanie

> myself.

> if the guitar solo includes a patch of "Home on the Range" and

> sunflowers spontaneously grow in your garden while listening to it,

> then

> the song is definitely TRUE.

>

> david rhaesa

> salina, Kansas

> >

 

 Race:

 

By true, I meant, maybe the Devil really did come from Kansas.

 

Otherwise it is an archetype vision that is true in another way as we

only see the shadows on the wall of the cave, not the true light.

 

Peace,

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 17:36:37 BST

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From:         Thomas Harberd <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

On Thu, 29 May 1997 10:51:10 -0400 Maya Gorton wrote:

 

> READ :

> THE PLACE OF DEAD ROADS

> THE WESTERN LANDS (especially this one)

 

I think TWL is the book where all Burrough's previous ideas

and iconography come together.  Having worked my way through

the whole canon, it was an amazing feeling to see it all

come together, not only as repetition, but as expanded

discourse.

Try Ghost of Chance as well, because it's brilliant.

 

Tom. H.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:52:54 -0400

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From:         Dixon Edmiston <DIXCIN@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: annoying

 

Yo, Bentz:

    I concur wholeheartedly with your choice of Mr. Eliot, as much as I love

Allen, and Gary, and Lew, and Philip, and WCW, and cummings,etc.

 

Scuttling along in Altoona,

Dixon

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:40:36 -0400

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From:         Rodgers <Rodgers@TRACOR-A4.CCMAIL.VITRO.COM>

Subject:      News Update

 

                                (A SATIRE)

 

     Anchor:  We will now go to Ron Rodgers who is standing by inside the

     House of Beat-l.

 

     RR:  I am standing in the middle of the kitchen area that can be

     described as hot..DAMN HOT.  In fact it feels hotter than the hinges

     on the gates to hell.  It is a very chaotic scene as beat-l members

     who cannot take this intense heat line up to jump out of the window;

     plunging into the wading pool seven stories below.  We have identified

     one of the jumpers as Levon Cash, a renown news "beat" reporter. So

     far a dozen or so have left the kitchen, and I will try to identify

     them and others as this story progresses.  I have just been informed

     that two..no three... more have left.

 

     Anchor:  What about the orgin of the kitchen fire, and are there any

     suspects?

 

     RR:  Apparently the flames started in April and have continued to

     blaze.  Officials say this is what is classified as a "carbon" fire.

     This phenomenon occurs under idel conditions when bond paper touches

     exposed carbon paper.  City service squads are on the look out four

     suspects.  They are John Grand, Harold Nickels, Bill Shaloo, and Ron

     Friendly.  Federal authorities may be brought in to round up others.

 

     Anchor:  Ron, what are authorities doing to calm the flames?

 

     RR: Firefighter Bill (Gartland) has bravely but vainly attempted to

     provide a voice of reason to extinguish these flames.  There is also a

     volunteer core of members assisting Firefighter Bill.  The

     Extinguishing Crew is attired in asbestos lined T-shirts designed by

     T. Mudd Winslow.  Across the front of the shirt is the slogan

     REMEMBER RON BONEWHEEL. These shirts were shipped free to the crew

     courtesy of Gary Lineberger from Air-Row Press.

 

     Anchor:  We are going to break in now, as this story has reached

     overseas.  Here is our italian correspondent Sergio Pistone.

 

     SP:   quid

                       skhgvu

                                not

     loenvhfy   can     satisfy         clomdy'

 

     urges d    k

 

     b  k       tldi

                        heotur

                                rlskvnhgu

                                        tlnmbndieurbfg

 

     Anchor:  Thank you Sergio.  Ron, do you fear for your safety?

 

     RR:  No, and I'll be honest with you, it's like the facination one has

     with a train wreck or America's Most Tragic Events Captured on Video.

     And frankly this is what I get paid to do.

 

     Anchor:  Any plans of leaving?

 

     RR:  No way.  I'm here until the end. By the way, the flames do seem

     to be a bit more under control at this time, but no one is willing to

     speculate how long this will last.

     Reporting from the middle of the Beat-l kitchen, Ron Rodgers.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:12:28 -0500

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From:         MARK NIGON <Mark_Nigon@MAIL.CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM>

Subject:      News Update -Reply

 

HHHAAAAAAA!!

 

SFX:  LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE COUPLED WITH COUGHING.

 

VOICE OFF CAMERA:  "I gotta quit smoking..."

 

This made my dreary day quite a bit brighter.

 

Thanks,

 

-Mark

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:06:23 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: News Update

 

Rodgers wrote:

> patricia howled, this is the first posting i printed & planned to frame

patricia

>

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 13:14:53 -0400

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From:         Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

In a message dated 97-05-29 12:43:05 EDT, you write:

 

<<

 Maya Gorton wrote:

 >

 > In a message dated 97-05-29 11:00:35 EDT, you write:

 >

 > <<

 >  kerouac's famous novel would be "On the Campus" a tale about Columbia

 >  and Morningside Park  .... :)

 >   >>

 > while we're on that track...Burroughs' would be "Sunday Brunch", set in

the

 > College Inn, a diner on Broadway with really greasy food and lots of

roaches,

 > of course.

 

 Is this the Diner a few blocks southwest of Columbia?  The Suzanne Vega

 song about Tom's Diner describes the one i'm thinking about perfectly as

 well.

 >

 david rhaesa

 salina, Kansas >>

 

Yeah, it's a much greasier and more interesting diner than Tom's.  I was once

studying for exams there and the old bearded man sitting in the booth next to

mine was talking to a stuffed animal which he had seated on the bench across

from him.  he proceeded to tell me the story of the stuffed animal's life,

from it's purchase to it's fate as a gift to his mother's gynecologist. Don't

ask me. But I was glad for the distraction from my studies, as always.  Then

the guy whips out this jewelry case and starts to examine something inside it

with one of those werid magnifying glasses diamond-cutters wear.  I was

curious, so i discreetly slipped behind him as if i was going towards the

bathroom so i could get a better view of whatever was inside the case.

.......And guess what it was?????

Can anyone guess? I'll give you a prize for the correct answer, or the best

and most creative answer.  the prize is: my respect. So I'll be hearing from

you.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 13:08:01 -0400

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From:         "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@BUCHENROTH.COM>

Organization: Buchenroth Publishing co

Subject:      Web Pages

Comments: To: waterrow@aol.com

 

Jeff:

I went to your BeatL and shirtpage sites. I couldn't get the images to

load until I deleted the / at the end of the URL (.html/ changed to

.html) and reloaded the URL. Then the images loaded nicely.

 

Charles looks like a lion, or otherwise an extremely hep cat! Charles

defines "hepness," (to put it in less than E-prime, Charles is hepness),

so it fits. Superb concept from start to near finish! I will buy two of

'em. Fantastic job! It just can't get much better than this...

 

Thanks!

Michael L. Buchenroth

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:20:21 -0500

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From:         MARK NIGON <Mark_Nigon@MAIL.CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM>

Subject:      News Update -Reply

 

Hey Beat-L,

 

Rodgers - I have to say that after all the fighting, arguing, pleading,

apologizing, words and wishes, I found your News Report quite

refreshing!  Broke me out of my workaday trance and made me hesitate

while trigger finger rested on delete key.  Will there be another???

 

-Mark

 

MARK_NIGON@MAIL.CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM

 

>>> Rodgers <Rodgers@TRACOR-A4.CCMAIL.VITRO.COM> 05/29/97 11:40am >>>

                                (A SATIRE)

 

     Anchor:  We will now go to Ron Rodgers who is standing by inside

the

     House of Beat-l.

 

     RR:  I am standing in the middle of the kitchen area that can be

     described as hot..DAMN HOT.  In fact it feels hotter than the

hinges

     on the gates to hell.  It is a very chaotic scene as beat-l members

     who cannot take this intense heat line up to jump out of the

window;

     plunging into the wading pool seven stories below.  We have

identified

     one of the jumpers as Levon Cash, a renown news "beat" reporter. So

     far a dozen or so have left the kitchen, and I will try to identify

     them and others as this story progresses.  I have just been

informed

     that two..no three... more have left.

 

     Anchor:  What about the orgin of the kitchen fire, and are there

any

     suspects?

 

     RR:  Apparently the flames started in April and have continued to

     blaze.  Officials say this is what is classified as a "carbon"

fire.

     This phenomenon occurs under idel conditions when bond paper

touches

     exposed carbon paper.  City service squads are on the look out four

     suspects.  They are John Grand, Harold Nickels, Bill Shaloo, and

Ron

     Friendly.  Federal authorities may be brought in to round up

others.

 

     Anchor:  Ron, what are authorities doing to calm the flames?

 

     RR: Firefighter Bill (Gartland) has bravely but vainly attempted to

     provide a voice of reason to extinguish these flames.  There is

also a

     volunteer core of members assisting Firefighter Bill.  The

     Extinguishing Crew is attired in asbestos lined T-shirts designed

by

     T. Mudd Winslow.  Across the front of the shirt is the slogan

     REMEMBER RON BONEWHEEL. These shirts were shipped free to the crew

     courtesy of Gary Lineberger from Air-Row Press.

 

     Anchor:  We are going to break in now, as this story has reached

     overseas.  Here is our italian correspondent Sergio Pistone.

 

     SP:   quid

                       skhgvu

                                not

     loenvhfy   can     satisfy         clomdy'

 

     urges d    k

 

     b  k       tldi

                        heotur

                                rlskvnhgu

                                        tlnmbndieurbfg

 

     Anchor:  Thank you Sergio.  Ron, do you fear for your safety?

 

     RR:  No, and I'll be honest with you, it's like the facination one

has

     with a train wreck or America's Most Tragic Events Captured on

Video.

     And frankly this is what I get paid to do.

 

     Anchor:  Any plans of leaving?

 

     RR:  No way.  I'm here until the end. By the way, the flames do

seem

     to be a bit more under control at this time, but no one is willing

to

     speculate how long this will last.

     Reporting from the middle of the Beat-l kitchen, Ron Rodgers.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:27:48 -0500

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: This List is Stong

In-Reply-To:  <970529024333_1558462326@emout18.mail.aol.com>

 

I agree Jerry. The list is strong and continues to provide information.

Exchanges got a little heated, and although my position on the archives of

the likes of JK, AG and others is well known,  I don't take anything

personally. Age helps.

 

I'm troubled by people seeming to blame Nicosia for the conflicts, but a

careful reading of the posts shows that he has provided much information.

Yes, he does get stressed and makes demands, but if his responses can be

understood, considering the accusatioons and his position as a Kerouac

scholar and friend to Jan.  I'm familiar with the time and money nicosia

has provided Jan, not from Nicosia, but from Jan Keroauc personally.

Nicosia was her most trusted friend. I'd planned on giving her a couple of

months of my time as a secretary--just taking dictation. Her inability to

see well enough to write--to work at a keyboard--caused her much distress.

 

I've not been with the list long enough to speak about the past. I see

these flare-ups as raising individual temperatures, but the material that

keeps the Beat juices flowing is the steady  flow of questions, answers,

comments, humor, history and the incredible insights provided by members.

 

j grant

 

 

                BE ON THE WATCH

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        O'Leary Library, U Mass, Lowell

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                display books free at

           <http://www.bookzen.com>

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:27:13 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Web Pages

 

Michael L. Buchenroth wrote:

>

> Jeff:

> I went to your BeatL and shirtpage sites. I couldn't get the images to

> load until I deleted the / at the end of the URL (.html/ changed to

> .html) and reloaded the URL. Then the images loaded nicely.

>

> Charles looks like a lion, or otherwise an extremely hep cat! Charles

> defines "hepness," (to put it in less than E-prime, Charles is hepness),

> so it fits. Superb concept from start to near finish! I will buy two of

> 'em. Fantastic job! It just can't get much better than this...

>

> Thanks!

> Michael L. Buchenroth

 

What a great day it is,  thanks the suggestion worked  for me and me i

saw. loved it but i am such a fanafan of s clay so thanksjeff, charly, s

clay allen nice lady.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 13:56:48 -0400

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From:         "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services"

              <PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>

Subject:      Re: Could be worse

 

Paul Harvey, a notorious closet Dylan Fan, reported Dylan's illness on his

news show today and mentioned that Dylan has been all over the world and he

could have picked it up anywhere.

 

I spoke to Ramblin' Jack Elliott last August and he said Dylan had not been

drinking much anymore, and when I saw him in August of '94 he looked slimmed

down and sober for a change.  He gave a couple of shows in Louisville

previously to that one that left you with the impression he and bourbon (known

in Kentucky as The Breakfast of Champions) had a very unhealthy relationship

with each other.  But in '94 and again in '96 he kicked royal ass.  Press

reports are that his shows have never been better.

 

I hope he takes a break to relax and maybe get out of his son's (Jakob)

shadow.

 

In all seriousness, I love you, Bob.  I don't want yer Bud Lite, just take

care of yerself.

 

Paul McDonald

 

********************************************************************************

 

 

On Thu, 29 May 1997, RACE --- wrote:

 

> > Not a heart attack from my sources.  Histioplasmosis is the

> > diagnosis (an infection that can be fatal if not treated in time).

>

> i just heard that the illness can be 'caught' from the air in Tennessee

> where Bob played not too long ago.  I'm serious - that's what i heard.

 

ACK! I hope not.....!

 

Jeff Taylor

nashville, tennessee

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:56:08 -0400

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Re: News Update

 

...boy Ron...it's a mystery to me!

 

I'm looking at the back section of my copy of Ann Charters' biography of Sal

Paradise and I'll be damned if I can find these other names anywhere in her

identity key.

 

Well, I'll read it again....maybe it'll become obvious... I don't

know...these Beat types - you'd think they would've learned something about

clarity in writing from Joyce and the other GOOD writers they SUPPOSEDLY

were studying in school.

 

Ha! ...studying - that's another joke!

 

        Antoine

 

(schlepping off down the hall muttering and harrumphing to himself and

anyone who'll listen)

 

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 14:09:47 -0400

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From:         Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: News Update

 

Hope Springs Eternal!

 

Don't know if  should be sad or glad "Gary Sillido" wasn't listed as a

"suspect".

 

Very clever, Ron Rodgers!

 

 

 

Jerry Cimino

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 13:00:34 -0400

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

It was a mummified fetus from an ectopic pregnancy that his mother

experienced. Her gynecologist had correctly diagnosed and surgically removed

it. It was sitting in the case next to his mother's gall stone....

 

 

        Here's hoping - Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 14:15:11 -0400

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From:         Tipper Quigg <quigg@INFORAMP.NET>

Subject:      Re: What should I read?

 

At 10:51  29/05/97 -0400, you wrote:

>READ :

>THE PLACE OF DEAD ROADS

>THE WESTERN LANDS (especially this one)

>by William S Burroughs.  they are, in my opinion, his best.  they're like

>candy for your brain...i read them over and over and over and never wanted

>them to end.  If youve already read them, ignore this, but if you haven't,

>i'm very jealous of you cause you got the best read of your life ahead of

>you.

>

>

>       Well the question was which of the books I listed should i read, but

I'll check these out...Thanx...

 

        Tipper

 

 

 

 

help the economy...buy a Neil Young album...

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 14:37:23 -0400

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      drinks are on me

In-Reply-To:  <970529112211_-464271685@emout19.mail.aol.com>

 

oh what the hell.

i got up at 5am EST and downloaded mail..

and hit all news-webs, etc even resorted to tv

and then i thought i'd send good vibes bob's way

so i got all ALL the dylan stuff

oh bout 5 am or so

and with a few excusions out into the world to procure

more micro brews

i've been here

with

dylan in the

air

on the

prayers

of a (and you say impossible as he hands you a bone.. and something is

happening here and you don't know what it is.

do you

mr jones

mr rogers

mr prezidint

mr whoose

and the mrs

"ah you've been with the professors and they all like yr looks....

you're very well read its well known

but something (oh etc

do you, mr jones???

ok enough ale soaked e'missives. talk to ya later.

mc

cant stand it jerry garcia tim leary AG now bob

 

burp) well, later guys. this day sucks.

mc

he's been in my mind since the 4th grade, before jerry and the funny guys

and all the rest..

remembering going to local downtown appliance store that stocked 45s i

bought them all as they came out, right across from the refridgerators,

separated by the stoves,

the universe cracked

and i saw.

i think i was 9 or so

(when yr mother sends back all yr invitations

and yr father to yr sister he explains

that you're tired of yourself and all your creations

wont you come see me queesn jane?

(btw no esoteric messages being sent just quotes off what ever on highway

61 play as i am tipsily typing

oh

mc

 

of

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 14:45:21 -0500

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From:         talk dirty to me <mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naked Lunch

 

do it do it do it

it takes a special person to read naked lunch

you will be all the better for it

 

 

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: From: R. Bentz Kirby <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

: Subject: Naked Lunch

: Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 12:50 AM

:

: Pam:

:

: Starting Naked Lunch is one thing, finishing it another.  Understanding

: it, well, I don't know.

:

: Peace,

:

: --

: Bentz

: bocelts@scsn.net

:

: http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 16:38:03 -0400

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From:         andrew szymczyk <trent@JANE.PENN.COM>

 

argh,

 

                i forgot to mention this earlier, but i went to the

        surge festival last weekend in pittsburgh, pennsylvania,

        and to my enjoyment one of the bands played a song

        about kerouac.  their name eludes me, but...

 

                the only thing that bothers me was that i felt

        like i was lost in a sea of people that didn't know whom

        kerouac was.  still, my solitary delirium was wonderful.

        i felt like i should claw my way to the stage and shake

        their hands, but i only stood with an open mouth--

 

                --drooling.

 

 

                                        still drooling,

                                              andrew

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From:         Jennifer Thompson <thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat History

In-Reply-To:  <3385E8A6.CB77F85@scsn.net>

 

On Fri, 23 May 1997, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

 

> Would Tom Wolfe of Electric Koolaid Acid Test and Hunter Thompson of

> Fear and Loathing qualify as "beat."

  ****************************************

Whether or not Hunter S. Thompson qualifies as beat is debatable.  He was

a friend of Ginsburg's.  Presumably they met while HST was researching for

"Hell's Angels,"  as Ginsburgh frequented the Angels gatherings as well.

He's certainly Gonzo--- zany, free form, journalism---but beat?

 

Anyhow, I just thought I'd pass on the aquaintance issue; other than that,

it's worth consideration.

Jenn

 

> And yet, I am wondering if there is not at least two threads of

> literature throughout history.  I don't know enough and am not well read

> enough to deal with this idea on my own.  But it seems to me that you

> have two spirits, one which is the "voice" of society and the other

> which is the "voice" of those who are beaten out of society.  If so, it

> would run throughout time.  I would like to know if any literary

> teachers, commentators etc, have ever explored the idea.  Back to Homer,

> was he beat or was he society.  What about Thomas Aquianas?  Maybe this

> too large of an idea, but I would like to see the result of a study of

> this idea.  We have always been beat.

>

> --

>

> Peace,

>

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

>

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 12:24:21 -0700

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From:         James William Marshall <iamio@MAIL.NETSHOP.NET>

Subject:      My guess for Maya

 

Maya,

     I enjoyed the anecdote.  Have several similar ones from the psychiatric

ward but nevermind.

     Okay, here's my guess about what the guy was examining: a piece a shit?

No.  A kidney stone.  No.  Uh, a big piece a ham.  No, too obvious.  It had

to be that notorious, potentially forged signature.

 

                                                    James M.

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: how annoying some of these whiny people are!

 

Maya Gorton wrote:

>

> .......And guess what it was?????

> Can anyone guess? I'll give you a prize for the correct answer, or the best

> and most creative answer.  the prize is: my respect. So I'll be hearing from

> you.

 

two box elder bugs fucking.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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From:         Olly Ruff <or205@HERMES.CAM.AC.UK>

Subject:      n/a

 

...to live outside the law you must be honest

   i know you always say that you agree

   alright so where are you tonight....

 

well, today is a sad day, folks.

 

[dylan to burroughs : "if you see her say hello... she might be in

tangiers"]

 

...say for me that i'm alright, tho' things get kind of slow ; she might

think that i've forgotten her... don't tell her it isn't so.

 

. the ghost of electricity... whatever.

 

o.r. ("when asked to define yourself... say that you are an exact

mathematician.")

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 18:21:59 EDT

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From:         Mark Hemenway <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject:      Call for Papers

 

Subj:   Call for Proposals

 

 

From: "Skerl, Jennie" <jskerl@wcupa.edu>

Date: Thu, 29 May 97 10:16:00 PDT

 

 

I will be editing a special issue of COLLEGE LITERATURE on "Teaching the

Beat Generation."  The notice below will appear in the next issue of PMLA.

 I wonder if you have a mailing list from the Kerouac Symposium I could

have

access to for further distribution.  Or, if you have an email list, could

you forward this notice by email?  Thanks for any help you can give me.

 

I enjoyed attending the symposium last year.  Please keep me on your

mailing

list.

 

Best,

Jennie Skerl

 

 ------------------------------------

 

COLLEGE LITERATURE, a triannual journal of scholarly criticism that

supports

college/university teaching, seeks essays for a special issue on "Teaching

the Beat Generation."  Contributions are sought from a variety of critical

perspectives, including poststructuralist, postmodernist, feminist,

multicultural, historical, millennial, or personal.  Essays may be devoted

to individual authors, groups of writers, or the movement.  Review essays

of

current criticism or biography will also be considered.  Send 1-3 page

proposals by January 1, 1998, to Dr. Jennie Skerl, Associate Dean, College

of Arts and Sciences, West Chester University, West Chester, PA 19301.

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Date:         Thu, 29 May 1997 18:23:58 -0000

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From:         west <anwest@UP.NET>

 

>argh,

>

>                i forgot to mention this earlier, but i went to the

>        surge festival last weekend in pittsburgh, pennsylvania,

>        and to my enjoyment one of the bands played a song

>        about kerouac.  their name eludes me, but...

>

>                the only thing that bothers me was that i felt

>        like i was lost in a sea of people that didn't know whom

>        kerouac was.  still, my solitary delirium was wonderful.

>        i felt like i should claw my way to the stage and shake

>        their hands, but i only stood with an open mouth--

>

>                --drooling.

>

>

>                                        still drooling,

>                                              andrew

>

 

andrew, what is 10,000 Maniacs? They do a song entitled Jack Kerouac.

 

west

 

I belong to the blank generation

and I can take or leave it each time

-Richard Hell

 



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