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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:28:43 -0400

Reply-To:     "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz kirby

Subject:      Re: Neophyte

Comments: To: Jay S Gertz <jgertz@BULLDOG.UNCA.EDU>

 

Jay S Gertz wrote:

 

> What about Holy Soul Jellyroll, poems and songs 1949-1993? Rhino

> WordBeat.

> 4 cd's. (Ginsberg). Also Jack Kerouac, 3 cd's also on Rhino WordBeat.

> Kleb

 

 What about Ken Nordine (sp?)?

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:26:56 -0400

Reply-To:     Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Spring '53

Comments: To: JWHasbrouck <jhasbro@tezcat.com>

In-Reply-To:  <3396808F.3C04@tezcat.com>

 

On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, JWHasbrouck wrote:

 

> It appears that Bill and Allen took considerable liberty when editing TYL

> to achieve a specific effect, which they certainly did. Comparison of the

> two groups of letters has me considering the conscious myth-making

> tendency of the Beats (with which I have no problem, and, in fact, dig a

> lot) contrasted to THE FACTS.

 

Yeah the world didn't discover the Beats by accident. Loved reading the

findings from your experiment, and want to hear more.

 

m

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:00:05 -0700

Reply-To:     Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

Patricia Elliott wrote:

>

> One of the interesting things about beat literature is that so many of

> the players are still playing and their influence net is so productive.

> I was sad when the coming and goings of people related to the beat

> literature net work was called not apporpriate to the list.  I love

> hearing that ken k was traveling and putting himself out there.

> I like recycling, i read the books i have gotten something out of more

> than once. I love putting  things in a variety of contexts, the next

> cycle is so often deeper or richer.  When i met edie k, i gained at

> least a broader picture of jk as a man, from her stories and from her

> persona.

> I also met her not just as jk's exwife but someone who obviously was a

> peice of the fabric.   I am interested in the odd little details, like

> what did they eat,

> how did people meet.  I remember hearing a story about jk and wsb being

> in chicago at the d convention and they eating lunch together. I

> caredwondered what they ate and what they drank.

> i appreciatted meeting Charles and Billy plymell, I got a little

> overwhelmed and was abrupt with my exit, my friends teased me that not

> everyone was comfortable with my 10 second exits. but i have been

> reading plymell this week, he left this great site bookmarked on my

> puter , my daughter has been showing her friends the compelling single

> word stories. Her fascination with language grows.  we are very lucky

> that those that play have graced this list, it is a list of writers and

> readers. I am not scholarly but appreciate the scholars. most of this is

> selfish, I love the power of the word, the rythms the visions. back to

> lurking.

> p

 

 

Excellently expressed.  I think that the comings and goings of people are

important too, the details of people's lives are woven in the fabric of

their words, so to speak, creating the bigger picture.

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:23:02 -0500

Reply-To:     RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

Diane Carter wrote:

>

> Patricia Elliott wrote:

> >

> > One of the interesting things about beat literature is that so many of

> > the players are still playing and their influence net is so productive.

> > I was sad when the coming and goings of people related to the beat

> > literature net work was called not apporpriate to the list.  I love

> > hearing that ken k was traveling and putting himself out there.

> > I like recycling, i read the books i have gotten something out of more

> > than once. I love putting  things in a variety of contexts, the next

> > cycle is so often deeper or richer.  When i met edie k, i gained at

> > least a broader picture of jk as a man, from her stories and from her

> > persona.

> > I also met her not just as jk's exwife but someone who obviously was a

> > peice of the fabric.   I am interested in the odd little details, like

> > what did they eat,

> > how did people meet.  I remember hearing a story about jk and wsb being

> > in chicago at the d convention and they eating lunch together. I

> > caredwondered what they ate and what they drank.

> > i appreciatted meeting Charles and Billy plymell, I got a little

> > overwhelmed and was abrupt with my exit, my friends teased me that not

> > everyone was comfortable with my 10 second exits. but i have been

> > reading plymell this week, he left this great site bookmarked on my

> > puter , my daughter has been showing her friends the compelling single

> > word stories. Her fascination with language grows.  we are very lucky

> > that those that play have graced this list, it is a list of writers and

> > readers. I am not scholarly but appreciate the scholars. most of this is

> > selfish, I love the power of the word, the rythms the visions. back to

> > lurking.

> > p

>

> Excellently expressed.  I think that the comings and goings of people are

> important too, the details of people's lives are woven in the fabric of

> their words, so to speak, creating the bigger picture.

 

and the details of import are different to different folks that follow

or are part of the story.  for example, my mother's details would be

"what we ate" if she gave a detailed description of the meals along as

we traveled somewhere.  i would be nearly oblivious to the "what we ate"

except to say "food" but would be interested in what i heard and

overheard and saw around the places we ate.  the details are different.

depending on our varied interests.  one's not better than the other -

the amount of difficulty in carefully articulating the details from one

perspective or another is very hard work.  the choice of the details

probably has a lot to say about the persona of the author.

 

i'm a sound and vision person.  taste and smell are not really in my

vocabulary.  i'm rambling.  i had a point.

 

oh well, the devil is in the details.

 

i was wondering, since the big estate game is over does that mean i'm

retired as devil???

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:34:32 -0400

Reply-To:     DIXCIN@AOL.COM

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Dixon Edmiston <DIXCIN@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: OFCS

 

On 6/4 Olly Ruff wrote:

 

      Oh for Christ's sake

 

  Ditto,

 

  Dixon

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:38:56 -0600

Reply-To:     Denis Alcock <dalcock@FALSTAFF.UNM.EDU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Denis Alcock <dalcock@FALSTAFF.UNM.EDU>

Subject:      Six Gallery

In-Reply-To:  <3396D9D6.7AB6@midusa.net>

 

Hi everyone!

 

I will be vacationing in San Francisco this weekend, and I would like to

check out some cool Beat haunts.  I've already visited City Lights and

Vesuvio.

 

I was wondering about the location of the Six Gallery reading.  Has anyone

visited the spot?  Comments and suggestions welcome.

 

Also, can anyone suggest a good USED bookstore in SF, particularly Beat

literature.

 

Thanks,

Denis

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:44:27 -0400

Reply-To:     Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Neophyte (Bid him whip)

In-Reply-To:  <3396CD1B.BE9A50A@scsn.net> from "R. Bentz Kirby" at Jun 5,

              97 10:28:43 am

 

>

> Jay S Gertz wrote:

>

> > What about Holy Soul Jellyroll, poems and songs 1949-1993? Rhino

> > WordBeat.

> > 4 cd's. (Ginsberg). Also Jack Kerouac, 3 cd's also on Rhino WordBeat.

> > Kleb

>

>  What about Ken Nordine (sp?)?

>

> --

>

> Peace,

>

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

>

 

Thanks for reminding me that it's been too long since I've pulled Ken

Nordine from the CD rack.  Try his CD, *Upper Limbo*, especially the

cuts "Point of Time," "Kingdom of Noxt," and his reading of "The Emporer

of Ice Cream."

 

"Who do you mean?  Who can I call?  The roller of big cigars, of course.

He's the big guy.  The muscular one.  The one in the kitchen, who's

itching to do what he wants to do with his big, unlit cigar . . ."

 

Tony

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:02:38 -0700

Reply-To:     e.lytle@ced.utah.edu

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU>

Organization: Sarcos Inc.

Subject:      Re: Neophyte

 

R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

 

>

>  What about Ken Nordine (sp?)?

>

 

        I was wondering when someone would bring up Ken Nordine.  WHAT A GREAT

VOICE.   If you haven't heard him,  you must.   I have several of his

recordings,  Best of Word Jazz,  Colors,  and Devout Catalyst.  All of

these are recommended,  but I would start with Word Jazz.

        Does anyone know if his show is still on NPR?  I live in Utah,  so

diversity ain't a high priority on the airwaves.  I've only heard his

NPR Word Jazz show once, sometime around 1990.  The word jazz concept

had developed into a wonderfully spatial experience,  with whispers and

fragments of prose bouncing around within the limits of my stereo

system.

        I also understand he did a few shows with the Dead.  Was anyone on the

list at those shows.  I can just imagine how Ken sounded, booming

through their sound system,  with Mickey in the back providing the deep

carpet of sound.  I think it was New Year's in Oakland,  early 90's.

 

-E

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:12:05 -0700

Reply-To:     Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

RACE --- wrote:

>

> and the details of import are different to different folks that follow

> or are part of the story.  for example, my mother's details would be

> "what we ate" if she gave a detailed description of the meals along as

> we traveled somewhere.  i would be nearly oblivious to the "what we ate"

> except to say "food" but would be interested in what i heard and

> overheard and saw around the places we ate.  the details are different.

> depending on our varied interests.  one's not better than the other -

> the amount of difficulty in carefully articulating the details from one

> perspective or another is very hard work.  the choice of the details

> probably has a lot to say about the persona of the author.

>

> i'm a sound and vision person.  taste and smell are not really in my

> vocabulary.  i'm rambling.  i had a point.

>You're right, the details are very different depending on who the writer

is, and Beat writers could characterize something like eating lunch in

totally different ways.  Speaking of sound, I have been reading an older

book(1974), Allen Ginsberg Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics,

Consciousness, edited by Gordon Hall.  It's written from tapes (I think)

of lectures that Allen did on college campuses across the country.

There's some very interesting parts on sound in writing, especially about

Kerouac, and comparisons about him and Thomas Wolfe and how he took that

and went beyond it.

 

AG: "Most prose writers aren't even aware that the sentence they write

has a sound, are not even concerned with sound in prose.  In fact I'm not

sure what some of them are concerned with.  Most prose writers that I

grew up with in college were influenced a lot by Hemingway, so one of

their main concerns was economy in economy in writing down little

insights and perceptions as to how white the dawn was or how cold the icy

water was, with the maybe haiku-like image out of it...Kerouac was the

first writer I ever met who heard his own writing, who listened to his

own sentences as if they were musical, rhymical constructions, and who

could follow the sequence of sentences that make up the paragraph as if

he were listening to a little jazz riff...Kerouac got to be a great poet

on that basis..."

DC

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:28:42 -0400

Reply-To:     Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: travels

Comments: To: Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

In-Reply-To:  <33971D95.30A1@together.net>

 

On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Diane Carter wrote:

 

> Speaking of sound, I have been reading an older book(1974), Allen Ginsberg

> Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics, Consciousness, edited by Gordon

> Hall.  It's written from tapes (I think) of lectures that Allen did on

> college campuses across the country.

 

A comment on this book. Out of all his written works, this had one of the

most profound effects on me & my life. I thought of this book sometime after

he died and how there'd be no more lectures like this. I'm sure that most of

his lectures and talks were recorded (anyone know?) and I would hope that

they're being transcribed (anyone know?) and also digitized (anyone know?)

and that another book -- or books, I could read them all -- of them will

someday come out (anyone?).

 

m

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:49:57 -0700

Reply-To:     stauffer@pacbell.net

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Spring '53

 

JWHasbrouck wrote:

>

> Regarding the spring of 1953....

>

> Comparing THE YAGE LETTERS by Burroughs with Ginsberg I notice that the

> dating of the correspondence doesn't jive with THE SELECTED LETTERS OF

> WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS. Nor does the narrative flow. It appears that Bill

> and Allen took considerable liberty when editing TYL to achieve a

> specific effect, which they certainly did. Comparison of the two groups

> of letters has me considering the conscious myth-making tendency of the

> Beats (with which I have no problem, and, in fact, dig a lot) contrasted

> to THE FACTS.

>

> John Hasbrouck

> Chicago

 

John,

 

There is definitly a good theme for some scholar here.  A study of the

way Allen especially worked hard at creating the image of a literary

school modelled on what he could see in earlier examples, lost

Generation and Parisian artist groups in particular.  Ginsberg always

had an exceptional marketing talent and what you are putting your finger

on here is a perfect example.

 

J Stauffer

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:03:42 -0800

Reply-To:     clight@TELIS.ORG

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Michael Ambrose <clight@TELIS.ORG>

Subject:      <no subject>

 

please take me off the list

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:14:14 -0500

Reply-To:     RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

Diane Carter wrote:

>

> RACE --- wrote:

> >

> > and the details of import are different to different folks that follow

> > or are part of the story.  for example, my mother's details would be

> > "what we ate" if she gave a detailed description of the meals along as

> > we traveled somewhere.  i would be nearly oblivious to the "what we ate"

> > except to say "food" but would be interested in what i heard and

> > overheard and saw around the places we ate.  the details are different.

> > depending on our varied interests.  one's not better than the other -

> > the amount of difficulty in carefully articulating the details from one

> > perspective or another is very hard work.  the choice of the details

> > probably has a lot to say about the persona of the author.

> >

> > i'm a sound and vision person.  taste and smell are not really in my

> > vocabulary.  i'm rambling.  i had a point.

> >You're right, the details are very different depending on who the writer

> is, and Beat writers could characterize something like eating lunch in

> totally different ways.  Speaking of sound, I have been reading an older

> book(1974), Allen Ginsberg Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics,

> Consciousness, edited by Gordon Hall.  It's written from tapes (I think)

> of lectures that Allen did on college campuses across the country.

> There's some very interesting parts on sound in writing, especially about

> Kerouac, and comparisons about him and Thomas Wolfe and how he took that

> and went beyond it.

>

> AG: "Most prose writers aren't even aware that the sentence they write

> has a sound, are not even concerned with sound in prose.  In fact I'm not

> sure what some of them are concerned with.  Most prose writers that I

> grew up with in college were influenced a lot by Hemingway, so one of

> their main concerns was economy in economy in writing down little

> insights and perceptions as to how white the dawn was or how cold the icy

> water was, with the maybe haiku-like image out of it...Kerouac was the

> first writer I ever met who heard his own writing, who listened to his

> own sentences as if they were musical, rhymical constructions, and who

> could follow the sequence of sentences that make up the paragraph as if

> he were listening to a little jazz riff...Kerouac got to be a great poet

> on that basis..."

> DC

 

it sounds like he sub-vocalized while typing/writing things.  they teach

you not to do that when you're reading and sometimes i think that's

nuts.  you don't get to hear the words that way.  i guess it slows you

down though.

 

i think sub-vocalized spontaneous typing is a good way to make the

writing sound like it's being talked.  the readers who follow the rules

and don't let themselves listen to the words while they read will miss

it.  but someone who subvocalizes reading Keroauc gets to Hear him talk

like he's in the room.

 

i used to do a trick when i was not a good reader back in college.  i'd

type a page or two of the author so that i figured out how the writing

came out - until i could hear the squirrels running around creating the

words - and then i'd go back and read and i could read faster with

better comprehension.

 

so i forgot what i was writing about.  a really nice young woman came by

to help me get my printer running and she just left and my mind is more

on wishing she was still here than on what i was typing so i couldn't

keep it together.

 

oh another thing.  i'm going to be in the Kansas City area this weekend

probably Saturday and Sunday and if anybody knows any used bookstores

around there that are worth finding (it is finding cuz i don't know the

town that well) please backchannel me about it.

 

bye

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:28:33 EDT

Reply-To:     Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Kerouac's sound

 

Of course, I can't prove anything but I doubt Kerouac sub-vocalized when

he wrote.  It would have slowed him down to much.  He typed much of his

writing a break-neck speed.  Nevertheless, sound IS an important part of

his prose style and I'm sure he was keenly aware of sound as he wrote.

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:54:02 -0700

Reply-To:     "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac's sound

 

At 03:28 PM 6/5/97 EDT, you wrote:

>Of course, I can't prove anything but I doubt Kerouac sub-vocalized when

>he wrote.  It would have slowed him down to much.  He typed much of his

>writing a break-neck speed.  Nevertheless, sound IS an important part of

>his prose style and I'm sure he was keenly aware of sound as he wrote.

>

>

 

Yes.  I would think he vocalized things in his head.  He vocalized and

musicalized (if there is such a word) his prose I would think.

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:39:21 -0500

Reply-To:     thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Jennifer Thompson <thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      TEST

 

TEST

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:56:36 -0500

Reply-To:     thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Jennifer Thompson <thomjj01@HOLMES.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: JK: Spring '53

 

        First, I'd like to thank John Hasbrouck for his wonderfully

thought-provoking entry.  I'm a fairly new list member and the idea of

your reading project intrigues me.  Is there a future book in the works,

perhaps a critical analysis based on your reading.  Your entrys suggest

the possibility for SEVERAL books.

 

        Secondly, your admission to disillusionment really hit home with

me.  I am NOW a naive undergrad whose life has been heavily influenced by

reading OTR in May of last year.  (I've read all the beat lit. I could get

my hands on since, and plan to start on scholarly works next.)

 

        Finally, I'd like to put in my two cents regarding JK's use of the

term "Spontaneous" Prose.  I think that he was referring not so much of

spur of the moment composition, as to inovation wrought from past writing

"practice," if you will.  I took a Romantic Literature course this past

semester and ran across a Wordsworth piece that I thought applies to

Kerouac's literature technique.  In "Introduction to the Lyrical Ballads,"

Wordsworth asserts that poetry composition should be "spontaneous" (yes,

he uses that specific term).  However, he qualifies it by declaring that

the spontaneity stems from previous thought on a general subject, which

may then be applied to a specific topic.

 

        You are much more qualified to judge on this matter than I.  In

your opinion is JK's use of the term like Wordsworth's use?

 

Many thanks for your contribution,

Jenn Thompson

ft.wayne, indiana

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:01:02 -0400

Reply-To:     GYENIS@AOL.COM

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac's sound

Comments: To: gallaher@hsc.usc.edu

 

In a message dated 97-06-05 17:15:06 EDT, gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU (Timothy K.

Gallaher) writes:

 

<< Yes.  I would think he vocalized things in his head.  He vocalized and

 musicalized (if there is such a word) his prose I would think.

  >>

 

I think that Kerouac thought about the things for years before he wrote them

down in the final form, and he also had letters and journal entries which

also served as first drafts for many of the ideas that would end up in his

books. So I think he was vocalizing the stories for years in his head before

he would put it down in a torrent of continuous writing that he called

'spontaneous'.

 

writing without revision, Attila

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:15:06 -0700

Reply-To:     stauffer@pacbell.net

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

RACE --- wrote:

>

> it sounds like he sub-vocalized while typing/writing things.  they teach

> you not to do that when you're reading and sometimes i think that's

> nuts.  you don't get to hear the words that way.  i guess it slows you

> down though.

>

> i think sub-vocalized spontaneous typing is a good way to make the

> writing sound like it's being talked.  the readers who follow the rules

> and don't let themselves listen to the words while they read will miss

> it.  but someone who subvocalizes reading Keroauc gets to Hear him talk

> like he's in the room.

 

> david rhaesa

> salina, Kansas

 

It is a pity anyone tries to teach you not to subvocalize.  May be fine

for just digesting facts.  But with literature you've got to hear the

line.  You're absolutely correct that you have to hear Kerouac while

reading.

 

James Stauffer

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:17:04 -0700

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:28:30 -0400

Reply-To:     Waterrow@AOL.COM

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      T-shirt update....

 

I want to thank all those Beat-L members who have honored their committment

to purchase the official Beat-L shirts that have been reserved..I've received

word now from about 50 folks out of  approx. 200 reservations....

 

If you're one of the 150 missing people, please try to make your $18.00

payment as soon as possible. The shirts will be ready to ship in about 2-3

weeks.

 

Thanks -

 

Jeffrey Weinberg

Beat-L T-shirt Development Corp.

c/o Water Row Books

PO Box 438

Sudbury MA 01776

Tel 508-485-8515

Fax 508-229-0885

email waterrow@aol.com

 

Check out the Beat-L T-shirt at

http://www.waterrowbooks.com

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:07:20 -0400

Reply-To:     CVEditions@AOL.COM

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: CORNIX instead of COMIX

 

In a message dated 97-06-05 09:41:01 EDT, you write:

 

<<

 it seems that 'tweaking' can take place by altering the font size of the

 text to create rhythm.  i noticed certain words POP OUT or not more or

 less so depending on their font-size.  Now currently, those would be

 somewhat at random because the sizes are somewhat associated with how

 one would expect them to be written to be read on the printed page. >>

 

David:

Thanks for the insights. The next thing is to write with the word font in

mind. I sensed that some poems "work" (to use that old Jackson Pollock

invention) and some probably don't in the word flash. I wuz just thinking

last night of all the beats I knew, though their styles varied, they were

always almost obsessed with the word, even in light conversation. Any

intonation, conotation, etomology,etc. This, while their writing styles

varied wildely.

Charles Plymell.

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:38:20 -0400

Reply-To:     CVEditions@AOL.COM

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: CORNIX instead of COMIX

 

In a message dated 97-06-05 09:54:40 EDT, you write:

 

<< I want to spend more time with the Kansas City poem. You didn't answer

 about whether it is available in print.  Like to read it and then go

 back again.

  >>

James:

I found two copies of my Scarecrow edition of Forever Wider. One is slightly

tattered it was my reading copy. Since I have no readings lined up, I'll send

you that copy. I have pulled some of poems from that edition into my new

manuscript Robbing the Pillars for which I'm looking for a publisher who can

keep it in print. I think you should compare it from the page rather than

online.  Buchenroth has put most of the poems online, but I'd like to send

you the book anyway. I'll try to remind myself to put the book in the mail

tomorrow.

Charley

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:18:21 -0400

Reply-To:     CVEditions@AOL.COM

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

In a message dated 97-06-05 21:24:05 EDT, you write:

 

<< the chance to hear about what they ate >>

 

Antione/Paricia;

It was quite alright to converse over the poem flash. That's one aspect I

like about the application, one can tune in or out. I have been to so many

serious poetry readings where every head bowed in unison when poet spoke.

Usually, for me, dreadfully boring. About the music and eats with the beats.

Almost 35 yeras ago, I put on Shubert's sonnatas (i'll have to look it

up-still in old lp jackect with Branaman's paint stains) Alllen stooped the

conversation to document the piece. He was into classical and Bessie Smith

type music. I never recall music at Burrough's dinners. But I do have a good

story about dinner one time in Kansas when Billy was about Lena's age. James

had fixed steaks. A real fine dinner. This was when Bill drank a lot of

Vodka, so I supposed eating was an annoyance that others urged on him just as

the afternoon cocktails kicked in. He picked around slightly at a marvelously

prepared dinner, just like an impudent kid. After the rest of us had eaten

and Bill had faked a few bites, James brought in a big bowl of gum drops.

Bill swooped up a handful and squashed his mouth full. This was a delight for

any kid to see and things like this keep the kid in Bill going. It was

completely out of character for an otherwise mannerly dinner at an esteemed

host's house!  The other thing he has in common with kids is that he can't

sit still, and he has to have stimulating conversation, which I can't always

provide. I hope these little anecdotes have not been on the list before and

is list stuff.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:20:19 -0700

Reply-To:     Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

Michael Stutz wrote:

> .

>

> A comment on this book. Out of all his written works, this had one of the

> most profound effects on me & my life. I thought of this book sometime after

> he died and how there'd be no more lectures like this. I'm sure that most of

> his lectures and talks were recorded (anyone know?) and I would hope that

> they're being transcribed (anyone know?) and also digitized (anyone know?)

> and that another book -- or books, I could read them all -- of them will

> someday come out (anyone?).

>

> m

 

I understand what you mean about Allen Verbatim.  Although I have had the

book for many years, I am only now truely reading it for the first time.

The lectures on words and consciousness and on twentieth century poetry

are remarkable.  I noticed in the epilogue, which was written in 1973,

the editor says that "a major prose presentation of the development of

Allen's thought over a long period, 'Essays, Interviews, and Manifestos,

1955-Present,' is under preparation and will appear in a couple of

years." That would have been the mid-seventies.  I check out the Ginsberg

bibliography at the Literary Kicks site, but it wasn't mentioned.  Does

anyone know if it ever was published?

DC

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:17:59 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Edie K

 

I wonder if Edie K autobiography ever came out?

 

I am typing in some paragraphs from a booklet she put out during the

river city reunion.

 

This is copyrighted material

 

" Following the abortion of our child,1 Jack Kerouac and I decided to

get our own apartment.  We would drop out of school and work, so that

Jack could keep writing.  We started looking immediately with a friend

of mine, a Barnard student who was married to an infantry soldier.  her

name was Joan Vollmer Adams.  We found th right place at 420 West 119th.

Street,apartment #28, in the New Year of 1942, just after the attack of

Pearl Harbor.

        Joan's husband, Paul Adams, was a Columbia law strdent, serving in the

Army.  She got his allotment checks, plus a good healthy allowance for

attendance at Barnard.  I also received an allowance from my family in

Detroit, and I would be attending Columbia in the spring as a special

student,to study painting with George Grosz.  We used Joan's name, as a

respectable married lady , to apply for the lease.

        We were all going home for Easter, and coming back for summer school,

so it was just as well we didn't have to plunk down the money until

spring.  The war was bulging Columbia with 90 day wonders in the naval

officer program, and good apartments were not easy to come by.

        Joan, Jack, and I went back to our separate parts of the U.S., most of

us by train.  I got the Empire State at 7:00 a.m. out of Grand Central

Station, standing all the way home, since, as the war went on, there

were no reserved seats.  I arrived in Detroit about 10:30 p.m. the same

night.  The train cost about $23.00: the cab ride home to Grosse Pointe

from the Michigan Central Station was $3.00! I lived downstairs, in a

two family flat in Gross pointe Park, with my mother and younger sister,

both named Charlotta Frances (Jack called my sister Francis in the The

Town and the city,).  my mother owned and operated Ground Gripper shoes,

in downtown Detroit, working six days per week, eight hours per day. my

sister was in high school and had her special gang, as I did mine.

People in Grosse Pointe were not lacking anything in those days except

enough things to spend money on!"

 

to be continued

p

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Date:         Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:47:37 -0700

Reply-To:     Malcolm Lawrence <Malcolm@WOLFENET.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Malcolm Lawrence <Malcolm@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Ken Nordine

 

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-----------------------------------------

Never fails to amuse me how so many people send unsubscribe messages to the

list itself. Someone even sent one to me only today.

 

Anyway,

 

Yeah, I was thinking about Ken Nordine recently too and wondered why he

hadn't come up on the list yet. He also does a great bookending job for the

Hal Wilner CD Stay Awake, which has contemporary artists covering old

Disney standards. He's also just done a radio commercial, for what product

I can't tell you, which is pretty indicative of just how powerful his voice

is. You're listening to the timbre, you're listening to the phrasing,

you're listening to the tonal control. Oh, what product is it? Damn, have

to wait till it comes on again. Sounds like it's a national commercial

though!

 

Malcs

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:53:39 +0800

Reply-To:     Sharon Ngiam <mimosa@PACIFIC.NET.SG>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Sharon Ngiam <mimosa@PACIFIC.NET.SG>

Subject:      the last time i committed suicide.

 

hi, in the 'last time i committed suicide' (the one abt neal), who does

keanu reeves portray?

it says in my local mag that keanu plays the 'buddy he (neal) hangs out

with, drinking beer, shooting pool." who's that?

thanks a lot. btw, is it worth watching?

 

s.*

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:33:59 +1000

Reply-To:     blah <blacburn@MINYOS.ITS.RMIT.EDU.AU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         blah <blacburn@MINYOS.ITS.RMIT.EDU.AU>

In-Reply-To:  <199706060620.QAA19625@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>

 

Hi, I have returned to the list after an absence. I was wondering where

you are at? Bye.

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:46:35 -0400

Reply-To:     David Makar <dmakar@CCS.NEU.EDU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         David Makar <dmakar@CCS.NEU.EDU>

Subject:      Time to go for a while

 

I am going on a short vacation from all the world around, sadly including

the community of beat-L. I will miss the action and return sometime in the

future.

 

                        -Dave

                        <dmakar@ccs.neu.edu>

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:12:11 GMT

Reply-To:     i12bent@sprog.auc.dk

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From:         "B. Sorensen" <i12bent@SPROG.AUC.DK>

Subject:      Ginsberg

 

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:45:10 -0500,

Bob Fox  <bfox@SIU.EDU> wrote:

 

>        There is a piece by Paul Berman called "Allen Ginsberg's Secret"

>published in the latest issue of the on-line magazine SLATE.  Go to

>http://www.slate.com/ and look in the section called "Back of the Book."

 

And in case anyone can't access Slate, here is the little anecdote attached

to the story proper. Re-printed w/o perm.

 

http://www.slate.com/Concept/97-06-04/anecdote.asp

 

A Last Anecdote

 

By Paul Berman

 

The last time I saw Ginsberg was in Paris at the Hotel de ville--City

Hall--in March 1996. The mayor of Paris was going to award medals of

achievement to Ginsberg and a number of other American cultural figures.

Ginsberg saw me in the audience and came over to chat. We admired

the paintings on the columns and ceiling--huge golden portraits of

fleshy nudes, pornographic paintings (from a puritanical, American point of

view), impossible to imagine in any American government building.

 

The mayor's assistant went to the microphone and began the ceremony. But

though Ginsberg and I were standing at the front of the crowd, directly in

front of the mike, Ginsberg kept up his commentary and chatter in full

voice, quite as if the mayor's assistant hadn't begun to speak. After

a while I warned Ginsberg that, at any moment, the mayor's assistant was

going to call him up to receive his medal, and perhaps he ought to prepare

himself.

 

But Ginsberg talked on in full voice and waved his hands animatedly, and

when the mayor's assistant did call him up, he simply walked to the mike to

receive the medal, turned to face the crowd and, instead of making a few

courteous remarks, pulled a pocket camera out of his jacket and carefully,

slowly photographed the crowd. An odd way to accept a prize. But his

behavior matched his whim. He was entirely himself. No one was ever more

natural. There were never any secrets with Allen Ginsberg--none that bore

on his inner personality, anyway.

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:42:13 -0400

Reply-To:     "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: the last time i committed suicide.

Comments: To: Sharon Ngiam <mimosa@PACIFIC.NET.SG>

In-Reply-To:  <199706060553.NAA12472@simon.pacific.net.sg>

 

On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Sharon Ngiam wrote:

 

> hi, in the 'last time i committed suicide' (the one abt neal), who does

> keanu reeves portray?

> it says in my local mag that keanu plays the 'buddy he (neal) hangs out

> with, drinking beer, shooting pool." who's that?

 

In the book, "Portable Beat Reader," edited by Ann Charters (an

anthology), in the Neal Cassady section, a letter titled the "Cherry

Mary" letter describes the answer to your question. In fact, that entire

movie seems mostly based on that long letter Neal Wrote to Jack Kerouac.

That letter also gets mentioned in "On the Road."

I do not recall reading that letter in "Grace Meets Karma."

I believe this answers the question, or at least provides a source. If it

doesn't or others can add to it, please correct me and/or add to it...

Thanks...

 

Michael L. Buchenroth

mike@buchenroth.com

www.buchenroth.com

To view

Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine

go to

www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:20:57 -0400

Reply-To:     Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      diane/all interested in my poetic flounderings

In-Reply-To:  <970601113822_-1999383635@emout16.mail.aol.com>

 

for diane, and anyone else interested in my word writhings from version to

version

(diane suggested to use more of poetic form vs prose. some spacing is off

from transition from clarisworks to this mailer.

happy fried day to all!

 

Talking to myself

fragments and scraps from years past

 

I

 

i'm busy talking to myself,

sweet marie,

i'll write a letter

when something happens

right now i'm busy talking to myself                    i

 

there doth seem to be some truth                        refuse

in the babbling of the mad

 

TRUDGE                                                  to

 

i still dont know too many people                               have

as i cant  remember my own name

 

in the local bar i sit down on a bar stool                      to

(where all the toughs sit)

 

i order a pitcher of beer.                                      work

i drink the whole thing.

 

have to report for draft physical                               for

late oct/early nov

no way out unless i flunk the physical                  a

 

i'm not going to eat.                                           living

if dick gregory can do it

so can i                                                        *this*

 

write me because my tonsils are swelling again  is

and i think i'm going to die (make it airmail)

 

                                                                my

                                        manifesto!

                                                                steal   it

 

                                        if

 

 

                                                                you

 

there doth be some truth

in the babbling of the mad                                      need

 

i truely hope i will be recognized as such.             direction

 

 

 I I

out on highway 61

 

hey sweet marie,

got yr postcard.

typical.

i'll write a letter when something happens.

right now i'm busy talking to myself.

i'm sitting here at the bar, enscribing this

                                                to you

                                                        on the head of a pin

                                                and finding

                                        within my infinite

                                self

                         that there doth be

                some truth

in the babbling of the mad

 

shortly afterwards,

                 i find my finite self,

        sitting here

driving home from the ladies banquet ,

thinking of a revenge

suitable

for all occasions.

 

later, i thumb a ride in the rain.

truck with fully stocked

gun rack stops, and

guy leans over and says howdy,

right friendly like,

so i take a chance (with my long hair and all),

get in, and ask,

"so what's to be seen or done in the area, eh?"

welp, he replied,

"i still don't know too many people

as i cant remember my own name"

i get out as soon as inhumanly

possible.

 

before i write any more,

sweet marie

i  beg you

write me as my soul dwindles away..

(also, please do not lose my letters

as you most likely be able to cash in

on them when i write my memoirs).

 

III

i do the scene

 

the other night i go to usual bar  blue and lonely

gloomy, grab barstool

(where all the toughs sit)

drink.

next to me is asshole

smoking cigarettes

 flicking the ashes like

                he was shoveling dirt,

crowding me,

kicking the bar for refills

slamming his glass  after every sip.

juke box playing

                 postively fourth street

        this dude starts singing it

- and i say to myself, 'this dont mix" -

                so i give him some of my garlic bread.

 

he tells me he was illegitimate kid of alcoholic musician

whose claim to fame being fired by johnny cash

we stagger out of the bar into his car. then

dead drunk and stoned out of our minds,

nevertheless we arrive, (where?)

guitairs and harps in hands, we

played and sangour way to dawn

then he was gone.

end of story.

ps please write back because my tonsils are swelling again and i think i'm

going to die. (air mail?)

lefty

 

IV

 

THE DRAFT

 

sweet marie:

i have to report for my draft physical.

my number's up, pal. unless,

of course i flunk the physical:

                i'm sleep deprived and hinky.

also have stopped eating.

but this may not work,

so listen up.

there are alternate plans

we need an

alternate step one of master plan B:

        (master plan A

                was to lose my leg and three fingers.

                        master plan A alternate

                                        was to have the draft board members

 

lose a leg and 3 fingers.

                        which brings me to plan B:

                                                        Canada.

i'm low on longjohns,

                and too damned paranoid

 

hence you are needed , sweet marie:

                                scrounging round my brain

for alternate plan B.

        you'll know it as soon as i do,

        but dont be surprised if i show up on yr bedroom floor

etc et al

lefty

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:47:50 EDT

Reply-To:     mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Mark Hemenway <mhemenway@S1.DRC.COM>

Subject:      Lowell

 

Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc

P.O. Box 1111, Lowell, MA 01853

 

10th ANNUAL FESTIVAL CELEBRATES JACK KEROUAC'S VISION OF LOWELL

 

In case anyone missed it, here's the post on Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!

again.

 

Mark Hemenway

*****

Bill tells me I needed to convert the attachment to ASCII. Here it is.

 

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                   PRESS CONTACT:

MAY 27, 1997                            Mark Hemenway:

                                        Day: 508-475-9090 ext 1239

                                        Evening: 508-458-1721

 

                                        PUBLIC INQUIRIES:

                                        1-800-443-3332

                                        508-458-1721

 

(Lowell, MA) The 10th Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival will take

place 2- 5 October in Lowell, MA. This year's theme will be Kerouac

Celebrates Lowell. We will celebrate and explore the real and the mythic

Lowell., Massachusetts that Kerouac brought to life in his writing.

 

The people and places of Lowell are central to Kerouac's work. Five of his

novels describe his childhood and youth in the city, and images and

references to his hometown appear in virtually every one of his works. His

descriptions of Lowell are remarkable for their beauty, power and

timelessness. Through them, millions of readers have come to know Lowell

as a universal hometown. Join us as we walk the wrinkly tar sidewalks and

redbrick alleys that Jack Kerouac wrote about in his novels and poetry.

 

Full Press Release Attached

Lowell Celebrates

Kerouac!, Inc

P.O. Box 1111, Lowell, MA 01853

 

 

 

 

10th ANNUAL FESTIVAL CELEBRATES JACK KEROUAC'S VISION

OF LOWELL

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                   PRESS CONTACT:

MAY 27, 1997                                    Mark Hemenway:

                                                        Day: 508-475-9090 ext 1239

                                                        Evening: 508-458-1721

 

                                                        PUBLIC INQUIRIES:

                                                        1-800-443-3332

                                                        508-458-1721

 

(Lowell, MA) The 10th Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival

will take place 2- 5 October in Lowell, MA. This year's theme will be Kerouac

Celebrates Lowell. We will celebrate and explore the real and the mythic

 Lowell.,

Massachusetts that Kerouac brought to life in his writing.

 

The people and places of Lowell are central to Kerouac's work. Five of his

 novels

describe his childhood and youth in the city, and images and references to his

hometown appear in virtually every one of his works. His descriptions of Lowell

are remarkable for their beauty, power and timelessness. Through them, millions

 of

readers have come to know Lowell as a universal hometown. Join us as we walk

the wrinkly tar sidewalks and redbrick alleys that Jack Kerouac wrote about in

 his

novels and poetry.

 

Background:

 

Before he died at age 46, Jack Kerouac published 24 books chronicling the

lives and adventures of the post war generation in America. The raw energy and

beauty of his prose established a new standard in American literature. The ideas

and way of life that he wrote about would set the stage for the "rucksack

revolution" of the sixties. Jack Kerouac along with Allen Ginsberg, William S.

Burroughs, Neal Cassady and others, founded the Beat movement in American

literature and culture, a movement that challenged the rigid social structure of

postwar America and eventually lead to the sweeping social changes of the

 sixties.

Today, over fifty years since the principals met in New York, Jack Kerouac's

 work

is experiencing a revival of interest, enthusiasm and serious scholarship, in

America, and throughout the world

 

Jack Kerouac was born, raised and remained a native of Lowell throughout his

 life.

His novels are autobiographical.  5 of his novels take place in Lowell, and the

 city

is mentioned in virtually every one of his books. His love for the city is

 illustrated

in the quotes inscribed on the Kerouac Commemorative in Eastern Canal Park,

Bridge Street, Lowell.

 

Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc. is a non-profit corporation dedicated to the

celebration, enjoyment and study of Jack Kerouac and his writings. Whenever

possible, events are free, however, donations are gratefully accepted for

 continued

support of the annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival.. To make a donation,

or to find out more about Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc., write: P.O. Box

 1111,

Lowell, MA 01853.

 

For additional information call the Merrimack Valley Convention and

Visitor's Bureau at 1-800-443-3332, or Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc 508-458-

1721.

 

The 10th Annual Lowell Celebrates Kerouac! Festival will include:

 

Feature Performance. Legendary performers and poets like  Patti Smith, Allen

Ginsberg, Ed Sanders, Michael McClure, Ray Manzarek, David Amram. Gregory

Corso and Herbert Huncke have appeared during the festival. This year's tribute

 to

Allen Ginsberg and Herbert Huncke will bring together many Beat Artists.

 

Memorial Mass for Jack Kerouac- A memorial mass for Jack Kerouac will be

held at the St. Louis Roman Catholic Church, the parish in which he spent his

earliest years.

 

Beat Literature Conference- The University of Massachusetts-Lowell will

present an academic conference on Jack Kerouac and the Beat writers on Friday,

October 3rd at the University's South Campus. Leading scholars of beat culture

and literature will present papers and ideas in symposia and panels throughout

 the

day.

 

The Jack Kerouac Literary Prize. Emerging and established writers are invited

to submit works of fiction, non-fiction or poetry for the Jack Kerouac Literary

Prize. The winner will receive a $500 honorarium and an invitation to present

 the

winning manuscript at the October Festival. The Prize is sponsored by Lowell

Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc, The Estate of Jack and Stella Kerouac, and Middlesex

Community College. For guidelines, send a SASE to The Jack Kerouac Literary

Prize, P.O. Box 8788, Lowell, MA 01853.

 

Photo Exhibition. The festival will feature exhibitions of  photographic works

 by

Gordon Ball, editor of Allen Ginsberg's journals.

 

Open Photography Exhibition . Photographers of all ages, experience and media

are invited to participate in an open exhibition of photographic images inspired

 by

Jack Kerouac or the Beats. The exhibition is sponsored by the Whistler House

Museum of  Art.  For guidelines, send a SASE to  Beat Exhibition, 243 Worthen

St,  Lowell,  MA 01852.

 

New Books.  We will celebrate the publication of Some of the Dharma, and the

40th Anniversary Edition of On the Road,  by Viking Penguin, the Collected

Works of Herbert Huncke,  and a new history of Kerouac's roots in Nashua New

Hampshire will be featured at the festival.

 

Small Press Book Fair- The small press book fair is an opportunity to sample

regional small press publications, and pick-up Kerouac books- new and rare.

 

Poetry at The Rainbow Cafe- Authors read their works in the Kerouacian

ambience of a neighborhood tavern in "Little Canada." Everyone is welcome to

read their poetry or prose, but time is limited, please reserve a spot ahead of

 time.

 

The Kerouac Commemorative- The Jack Kerouac Commemorative is located in

downtown Lowell at the intersection of Bridge and French Streets, near the

 former

site of his father's print shop. Selected Kerouac passages, etched in eight red

granite pillars, stand as a living monument to his art.  The symmetrical cross

 and

diamond pattern of  The Commemorative is a meditation on the complex Buddhist

and Roman Catholic foundations of much of Jack's writing.

 

Walking Tours- Walking tours of Kerouac sites in Lowell and Nashua, NH are

conducted throughout the weekend. The tours change each year, but almost

always include: Our Lady of Lourdes Grotto, the Watermelon Man Bridge, the

Merrimack River, and many of the neighborhood sites Jack wrote about.

 

Bus Tours- Bus tours of Lowell and Nashua, NH provide a more leisurely tour of

sites in these two Kerouac cities. Jack Kerouac's mother and father met and the

family, including Gerard are buried in Nashua.

 

Open Microphone at the Coffee Mill- Sunday afternoons are reserved for an

open microphone reading and performance at the Coffee Mill in downtown

Lowell. Everyone is welcome to read their work. Sip expresso while waiting your

turn at the microphone. .

 

Many other activities are available during the weekend:

 

o       Exhibits of first edition beat publications and memorabilia.

o       Jack Kerouac's rucksack and other personal items are on display at the

Working People Exhibit, Lowell National Historical Park.

o       Edson Cemetery. Jack Kerouac is buried in the Edson Cemetery just south of

Downtown Lowell. The cemetery is open from sun-up to sun-down every day.

o       Music and conversation- There will be many opportunities throughout the

weekend to share your festival experience and enthusiasm for Jack Kerouac

while enjoying a beer at local taverns and nightspots.

 

For additional information call the Merrimack Valley Convention and

Visitor's Bureau at 1-800-443-3332, or Lowell Celebrates Kerouac!, Inc 508-458-

1721.

 

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:26:29 -0400

Reply-To:     MARK NOFERI <NOFERI.MARK@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         MARK NOFERI <NOFERI.MARK@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>

Subject:      Re: travels

 

>Date:    Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:12:05 -0700

>From:    Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>>

>

>You're right, the details are very different depending on who the writer

>is, and Beat writers could characterize something like eating lunch in

>totally different ways.  Speaking of sound, I have been reading an older

>book(1974), Allen Ginsberg Verbatim, Lectures on Poetry, Politics,

>Consciousness, edited by Gordon Hall.  It's written from tapes (I think)

>of lectures that Allen did on college campuses across the country.

>There's some very interesting parts on sound in writing, especially about

>Kerouac, and comparisons about him and Thomas Wolfe and how he took that

>and went beyond it.

 

Yes, excellent book - I used this heavily in my undergrad work, probably the

 most out of all the AG books. There's

some excellent sections on AG-WC Williams also, I believe. I spoke to Prof.

 Gordon Ball at the Lowell festival last year

and thanked him for his work - unfortunately, he told me that the book was now

 out of print. I don't know if anything's

happened since then w/ the new marketability in beat lit to bring it back.

 

Mark Noferi

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:57:32 -0400

Reply-To:     Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Nordine, Jack et al...

 

Tony,

 

        Can you tell me what label *Upper Limbo* came out on and when? Have

"Devout Catalyst" which is great, particularly the stuff with Tom Waits, and

have "Word Jazz" and "Colors" and various individual cuts and radio interviews.

 

        The whole genre of spoken word, wordjazz, vocalese, and scat as

represented by Lord Buckley, Slim Gaillard, Ray Brown (with the great

"Mumbles"), Nordine, King Pleasure and .... is a goldmine with roots closely

intertwined with the Beats and Jazz, particularly BeBop.

 

        Consider this a half-assed partial reply to Bruce Hartman's earlier

post on Jazz and Mark Nofer's interesting post.

 

        Question for Mark. Do you remember very much about the details of

Gillespie picking up on Kerouac's name for the composition that he and

Charlie Christian called "Kerouac"? It's a fascinating topic. Players did

occasionally name songs after fans and Jack was around listening, watching

and doing the occasional jazz review.

 

                Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:12:12 -0400

Reply-To:     Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      i sent the wrong version (shoot me not already dead)

 

for diane, and anyone else interested in my word writhings from version to

version

(diane suggested to use more of poetic form vs prose. some spacing is off

from transition from clarisworks to this mailer.

happy fried day to all!

 

Talking to myself

fragments and scraps from years past

 

I

 

i'm busy talking to myself,

sweet marie,

i'll write a letter

when something happens

right now i'm busy talking to myself                    i

 

there doth seem to be some truth                        refuse

in the babbling of the mad

 

TRUDGE                                                  to

 

i still dont know too many people                               have

as i cant  remember my own name

 

in the local bar i sit down on stool                    to

(where all the toughs sit)

 

i order a pitcher of beer.                                      work

i drink the whole thing.

 

have to report for draft physical                               for

late oct/early nov

no way out unless i flunk the physical                  a

 

i'm not going to eat.                                           living

if dick gregory can do it

so can i                                                        *this*

 

write me because my tonsils are swelling again  is

and i think i'm going to die (make it airmail)

 

                                                                my

                                        manifesto!

                                                                steal   it

 

                                        if

 

 

                                                                you

 

there doth be some truth

in the babbling of the mad                                      need

 

i truely hope i will be recognized as such.             direction

 

 

 I I

out on highway 61

 

hey sweet marie,

got yr postcard.

typical.

i'll write a letter when something happens.

right now i'm busy talking to myself.

i'm sitting here at the bar, enscribbling this letter

                                        to you

                                                on the head of a pin

                                        and finding

                                within my infinite

                                self

                         that there doth be

                some truth

in the babbling of the mad

 

shortly afterwards,

driving home from the ladies banquet ,

thinking of a revenge

suitable

for all occasions.

 

 

 

before i write any more,

sweet marie

i  beg you

write me as my soul dwindles away..

(also, please do not lose my letters

as you most likely be able to cash in

on them when i write my memoirs).

 

III

i do the scene

 

the other night i go to usual bar  blue and lonely

gloomy, grab barstool

(where all the toughs sit)

I drink.

next to me is asshole

smoking cigarettes

 flicking the ashes like

                he was shoveling dirt,

crowding me,

kicking the bar for refills

slamming his glass  after every sip.

juke box playing

                 postively fourth street

        this dude starts singing it

- and i say to myself, 'this dont mix" -

                so i give him some of my garlic bread.

 

he tells me he was illegitimate kid of alcoholic musician

whose claim to fame being fired by johnny cash

we stagger out of the bar into his car

guitairs and harps in hands, we

played and sang our way to dawn

then he was gone.

end of story.

ps please write back because my tonsils

are swelling again and i think i'm going to die.

(air mail?)

lefty

 

IV

 

THE DRAFT

 

sweet marie:

i have to report for my draft physical.

my number's up, pal. unless,

of course i flunk the physical:

                i'm sleep deprived and hinky.

also have stopped eating.

but this may not work,

so listen up.

there are alternate plans

we need an

alternate to master plan  B:

        (master plan A

                was to lose my leg and three fingers.

                        master plan A alternate

                                        was to have the draft board members

 

lose a leg and 3 fingers.

                        which brings me to plan B:

                                                        Canada.

i'm low on longjohns,

                and too damned paranoid

 

hence you are needed , sweet marie:

                                scrounge  round my brain

for alternate plan B.

        you'll know it as soon as i do,

        but dont be surprised if i show up on yr bedroom floor

etc et al

lefty

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:04:18 -0400

Reply-To:     "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: travels

Comments: To: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

In-Reply-To:  <33971006.2A6A@midusa.net>

 

On Thu, 2 Jun 1997, RACE --- wrote:

 

> Well, I re-read Borroughs language-virus/electronic revolution thing

> today and was thinking about it

> quite a bit. It seems the virus particularly relates to a particular form

> of temporal consciousness heightened by particular forms of

> causal-calculative symbolic action. I'm not certain that I'm willing to

> jump into the boat of this being physiological yet. It is a big

> difference to say language is a virus and language functions like a

> virus. I wonder how William Burroughs is able to jump outside the

> biological constraints if the relationship is not to some degree

> figurative?...

 

 

On The Web Site for the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List

(To subscribe to the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List

send a message to:

 listserv@newciv.org

 with the BODY: subscribe ssread-l)

 

a message got posted that deals specifically with your question:

 

Section C: Relates to ilustrations from the 'mental' and nervous diseases.

Here he shows how the 'mental' factors produce the same effects as those

caused by allergy to certain stimulants. He mentions the production of an

attack of hay fever even when exposed to roses made of paper. Simply the

belief that the roses were genuine produced this anaphylactic reaction.

He expains how Migraine manifests itself from a wide variety of stimuli

ranging from physical, to chemical to endocrinal etc.  AK mentions also

about the phenomenal variety of effects produced by the over/under

production of the various hormones. In the various instances, the excess

or deficiency of the hormones affect various tissues.  To sum up:  The

NON-EL principle formulates a structural character inherently found in the

structure of the world, ourselves, our nervous system on all levels;  the

knowledge and application of which exists unconditionally necessary for

adjustment on all levels, and, therefore, in humans, for SANITY.

STRUCTURALLY every organism depends on its environment; and, therfore, in

building our languages, we ought to coin non-el terms which treat the

organism-as-a-whole without splitting it up.  Lastly, AK notes that we do

not habitualy apply what we 'know'. The STRUCTURAL implications of

language work UNCONSCIOUSLY. He stresses that we need to TRAIN oursleves

in THE USE of non-el terms to expect maximum

semantic results.

 

This post hastily summarizes AK's Chapter 10, Organisms-as-a-whole. AK

used that example of the Rose alergy throughout the text. His

physiological 'semantic reaction' to paper roses he attributed to the

word 'rose' rather than to actual physiological roses; thus a

physiological reaction to a physiological word (thought occurs as a

chemical physiological entity--or spoken words exist as air in motion in

specific recognizable patterns--waves, etc.) Other semanticists compare

the placebo affect as another example of AK's intended meaning in Chapter

10.

 

Burroughs' notion that humans (and life forms in general most likely)

experience physiological reactions to language; or that humans

physiologically experience language; can not really get disputed! Of

course, we must first agree on our usage of 'physiological,' and

'language.' But using AK's stipulations, or more recently Dr. Hal C Becker

of Tulane Medical College, propaganda hits us in the gut! Numerous

examples exist. AK's decriptions in "Science & Sanity," Chap 10, perhaps

exist as the first textual mention ever of this notion. I have not yet

encountered an earlier mention.

 

The "Science and Sanity" reading list also maintains an extremely

interesting web page at:

http://www.newciv.org/ssread/

 

To summarize, I must agree with Burroughs here David.

 

I have that site linked to my CELM site's "Literary Links."

Thanks...

 

Michael L. Buchenroth

www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:23:36 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      The Mecca of Lawrence....

 

James Stauffer wrote:

>

> Patricia

>

> Appreciate the Edie Kerouac posts.  Don't think I've seen this before.

> Further installments would be wonderful.

>

> James Stauffer

 

 

I MADE IT !!!!!!!!!

to Lawrence

only got lost once.

 

Dark road with keep out signs

near Riley Kansas.

 

I thought sounds like

a good direction to go.

Scary roads

25 minutes later

i was where i'd been

35 minutes before

i'd turned on the road.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:44:08 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Burroughs & viruses

 

Michael L. Buchenroth wrote:

>

> On Thu, 2 Jun 1997, RACE --- wrote:

>

> > Well, I re-read Borroughs language-virus/electronic revolution thing

> > today and was thinking about it

> > quite a bit. It seems the virus particularly relates to a particular form

> > of temporal consciousness heightened by particular forms of

> > causal-calculative symbolic action. I'm not certain that I'm willing to

> > jump into the boat of this being physiological yet. It is a big

> > difference to say language is a virus and language functions like a

> > virus. I wonder how William Burroughs is able to jump outside the

> > biological constraints if the relationship is not to some degree

> > figurative?...

>

> On The Web Site for the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List

> (To subscribe to the 'Science and Sanity' Reading List

> send a message to:

>  listserv@newciv.org

>  with the BODY: subscribe ssread-l)

>

> a message got posted that deals specifically with your question:

>

> Section C: Relates to ilustrations from the 'mental' and nervous diseases.

> Here he shows how the 'mental' factors produce the same effects as those

> caused by allergy to certain stimulants. He mentions the production of an

> attack of hay fever even when exposed to roses made of paper. Simply the

> belief that the roses were genuine produced this anaphylactic reaction.

> He expains how Migraine manifests itself from a wide variety of stimuli

> ranging from physical, to chemical to endocrinal etc.  AK mentions also

> about the phenomenal variety of effects produced by the over/under

> production of the various hormones. In the various instances, the excess

> or deficiency of the hormones affect various tissues.  To sum up:  The

> NON-EL principle formulates a structural character inherently found in the

> structure of the world, ourselves, our nervous system on all levels;  the

> knowledge and application of which exists unconditionally necessary for

> adjustment on all levels, and, therefore, in humans, for SANITY.

> STRUCTURALLY every organism depends on its environment; and, therfore, in

> building our languages, we ought to coin non-el terms which treat the

> organism-as-a-whole without splitting it up.  Lastly, AK notes that we do

> not habitualy apply what we 'know'. The STRUCTURAL implications of

> language work UNCONSCIOUSLY. He stresses that we need to TRAIN oursleves

> in THE USE of non-el terms to expect maximum

> semantic results.

>

> This post hastily summarizes AK's Chapter 10, Organisms-as-a-whole. AK

> used that example of the Rose alergy throughout the text. His

> physiological 'semantic reaction' to paper roses he attributed to the

> word 'rose' rather than to actual physiological roses; thus a

> physiological reaction to a physiological word (thought occurs as a

> chemical physiological entity--or spoken words exist as air in motion in

> specific recognizable patterns--waves, etc.) Other semanticists compare

> the placebo affect as another example of AK's intended meaning in Chapter

> 10.

>

> Burroughs' notion that humans (and life forms in general most likely)

> experience physiological reactions to language; or that humans

> physiologically experience language; can not really get disputed! Of

> course, we must first agree on our usage of 'physiological,' and

> 'language.' But using AK's stipulations, or more recently Dr. Hal C Becker

> of Tulane Medical College, propaganda hits us in the gut! Numerous

> examples exist. AK's decriptions in "Science & Sanity," Chap 10, perhaps

> exist as the first textual mention ever of this notion. I have not yet

> encountered an earlier mention.

>

> The "Science and Sanity" reading list also maintains an extremely

> interesting web page at:

> http://www.newciv.org/ssread/

>

> To summarize, I must agree with Burroughs here David.

>

> I have that site linked to my CELM site's "Literary Links."

> Thanks...

>

> Michael L. Buchenroth

> www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

 

sitting drinking coffee with patricia ... she's playing Tetrus very

well.  we kicked the kids off the computers so we could play.

 

from the explanation you posted, it seems to make perfect sense to me as

well.  i think my confusion is at the point of what constitutes

physiological.  i had the impression that it was being described as

something which involved significant evolutionary and genetic mutation

in the human population over time.  it seems that if this view of

symbolism is too embedded in evolution and genetics, it becomes a hurdle

that simply being aware of the unconscious effects would not be

sufficient to breakout of.  at least, it would seem that this process

would require another cycle of evolutionary change in what we call

human.

 

i tend to think that burroughs is probably correct that these symbolic

factors are imbedded deeply in conscious and unconscious communicative

acts.  the notion of "allergy" is an excellent one.  but the fact that

some gain an awareness that explodes the "allergic" relationship, seems

to suggest that it is possible for many more to explode it.

 

it is a fine line here.  something of a paradoxical one.  the amount of

biological determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the

ability of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

 

in Lawrence

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:43:09 -0400

Reply-To:     Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Nordine, Jack et al...

In-Reply-To:  <BEAT-L%97060609573189@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> from "Antoine Maloney" at

              Jun 6, 97 09:57:32 am

 

Antoine--*Upper Limbo* came out in 1993 on Grateful Dead Records

(catalog #  GDCD40172).

 

I'm curious about the availability of the others you mentioned ("Devout

Catalyst," etc.):  are those on labels carried by record stores or mail

order?  The first time I heard "Word Jazz" (the radio program) was on

NPR about 10 years ago.  I was amazed--delightfully dizzy, with both

speakers at different ends of the room and the volume up high and

Nordine careening all over.  After the show, an 800-number was

advertised, where one could order "Word Jazz" tapes.  I called the

number and found it was out of service.  It turns out that the "Word

Jazz" show I heard was a rerun--including the 800-number--of a show

from a few years before.

 

Malcolm--the only commercials I'm aware Nordine did were for Levi's,

maybe in the early- to mid-80s.  Probably others I don't know of,

however.

 

Tony

 

> Tony,

>

>         Can you tell me what label *Upper Limbo* came out on and when? Have

> "Devout Catalyst" which is great, particularly the stuff with Tom Waits, and

> have "Word Jazz" and "Colors" and various individual cuts and radio

 interviews.

>

>         The whole genre of spoken word, wordjazz, vocalese, and scat as

> represented by Lord Buckley, Slim Gaillard, Ray Brown (with the great

> "Mumbles"), Nordine, King Pleasure and .... is a goldmine with roots closely

> intertwined with the Beats and Jazz, particularly BeBop.

>

>         Consider this a half-assed partial reply to Bruce Hartman's earlier

> post on Jazz and Mark Nofer's interesting post.

>

>         Question for Mark. Do you remember very much about the details of

> Gillespie picking up on Kerouac's name for the composition that he and

> Charlie Christian called "Kerouac"? It's a fascinating topic. Players did

> occasionally name songs after fans and Jack was around listening, watching

> and doing the occasional jazz review.

>

>                 Antoine

>  Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>      "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

>                         -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

>

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:06:44 -0500

Reply-To:     Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject:      List changes

 

As a two-year veteran of the Beat list, and a manager of my own list, I have

to say that I think the changing of the reply function on the list will have

a serious and damaging effect on the list. I'm sorry to see it happen, I

must say.

 

However I also have to sympathize with Bill and the list managers.

Admittedly under great provocation, the list has seen threats of legal

action and being reported to the FBI. Given what's in the archives at

certain times in the list's history, I can see that many people wouldn't

appreciate that at all. Whether it was intended or not, the threats of

action appeared to be made against the whole list rather than just against

individuals, and I can see why the list manager felt action was necessary.

Another list I am on has two lawsuits in progress, and it has been decimated

as a result.

 

I did have one-follow up question regarding the archives. I asked a few

weeks back about the state of the archives. Are they being properly

maintained? In proper humidity controlled and secure environment? We have

learnt from the correspondence that (a) there is clearly a market for

Kerouac materials that have disappeared from places and (b) that the

notebooks and manauscripts are fragile. The 50's, after all, were not the

high point of quality paper manufacture. Paul Maher said in a recent post

that everything was being properly cared for, and I wonder if he or others

could elaborate on that, please

 

Nick

**************************************************************************

*Nil Carborundum Illegitimis*

It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees

 

Nick Weir-Williams

Director, Northwestern University Press, 625 Colfax Street, Evanston, IL 60208

President, Illinois Book Publishers Association

List Manager, chipub listserv

 

ph:  847 491 8114

fax: 847 491 8150

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:52:27 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Edie, Kerouac-Parker

 

James, it seems that I shouldn't post copyrighted stuff unless i have

the copyrighters permission.  The excerpt came from a booklet

calle

To william S. Burroughs

Essays & Poems

Celebrating The 1987 river city reunion

By Frankie "Edie" Keroac-Parker

 

I have an extra un autographed book and could send it to you but want it

back.  If you are interested. let me know.

p

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:06:19 -0400

Reply-To:     JefLtsTalk@AOL.COM

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "Jeffrey s. Landau" <JefLtsTalk@AOL.COM>

Subject:      UNsubscribe

 

It's time to go.

I found this list via Levy Asher's web page at the time of news that Allen

Ginsburg was was ill.  This list is alive and full and I thank you.

Jeff

JefLtsTalk@aol.com

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:42:20 -0700

Reply-To:     e.lytle@ced.utah.edu

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Eric Lytle <e.lytle@CED.UTAH.EDU>

Organization: Sarcos Inc.

Subject:      Re: Nordine, Jack et al...

 

Tony Trigilio wrote:

 

> I'm curious about the availability of the others you mentioned ("Devout

> Catalyst," etc.):  are those on labels carried by record stores or mail

> order?

 

Devout Catalyst is also on Grateful Dead Records.  It has KN doing Word

Jazz backed by Jerry Garcia.  Word Jazz is on Rhino - Word Beat.  I've

forgotten what label Colors is on,  but it was released in the last two

years.  I was able to find all of these disks in the local-owned CD

shops.  The national chains , Blockbuster,  may not carry them.  I've

also found them online by searching Ken Nordine.

 

 

The first time I heard "Word Jazz" (the radio program) was on

> NPR about 10 years ago.  I was amazed--delightfully dizzy, with both

> speakers at different ends of the room and the volume up high and

> Nordine careening all over.  After the show, an 800-number was

> advertised, where one could order "Word Jazz" tapes.  I called the

> number and found it was out of service.  It turns out that the "Word

> Jazz" show I heard was a rerun--including the 800-number--of a show

> from a few years before.

>

 

Been there

 

> Malcolm--the only commercials I'm aware Nordine did were for Levi's,

> maybe in the early- to mid-80s.  Probably others I don't know of,

> however.

 

He has done several national ads in the 90's.  The last one I remember

was Chevron,  or some other gasoline co.,  where he was talking power

and performance,  cleaning your engine,  etc. while big splashes of gas

washed over the screen.  Very satisfied cars and owners drove around in

the background.  It made me want to hit the Road.

 

-E

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:52:06 -0400

Reply-To:     "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

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From:         "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs & viruses

Comments: To: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

In-Reply-To:  <339821B2.5E52@sunflower.com>

 

On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, David Rhaesa wrote:

 

> sitting drinking coffee with patricia ... she's playing Tetrus very

> well.  we kicked the kids off the computers so we could play.

 

> i had the impression that it was being described as

> something which involved significant evolutionary and genetic mutation

> in the human population over time.  it seems that if this view of

> symbolism is too embedded in evolution and genetics, it becomes a hurdle

> that simply being aware of the unconscious effects would not be

> sufficient to breakout of.  at least, it would seem that this process

> would require another cycle of evolutionary change in what we call

> human.

 

David:

This evolutionary/genetic mutation inclusion in 'physiological' does

change the original notion, doesn't it? Indeed! I hadn't considered that.

 

> i tend to think that burroughs is probably correct that these symbolic

> factors are imbedded deeply in conscious and unconscious communicative

> acts.  the notion of "allergy" is an excellent one.  but the fact that

> some gain an awareness that explodes the "allergic" relationship, seems

> to suggest that it is possible for many more to explode it.

 

Even though I had not considered this broader point of view or more

inclusive stipulation of 'physiological' in my post, I certainly agree

with you. Or that our semantic reaction roots into us genetically, sure

opens a whole new set of considerations! I can't help but think of Carl

Jung's Collective here. If we consider that these ancient, unconscious

collective associations happen physiologically in our brains or brain stems,

then Jung agrees with you. I sure believe that Jung's Collective evolves.

I believe that these reactions or associations we have,

or that the relationship we have

between us (our minds) to these archetypal symbols, motifs, whatever

happen or occur physiologically! I cannot separate us to any degree from

the physical world! Then, our physiologically  evolving Collective

Unconscious that Jung described, and documented, supports what you write!

 

> it is a fine line here.  something of a paradoxical one.  the amount of

> biological determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the

> ability of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.

 

I don't like this notion of biological determinism though. To me, this

implies human symbolic behavior had some finite beginning. I don't even

believe our human symbolic behavior began with the Big Bang.

Or the Big Bang prior to the most recent one. We just evolve. To David

Bohm, everything just exists continually evolving (changing). To Bohm,

reality evolved to point we experience currently, and will continue--and

language, symbolic behavior, etc. with it. This seems much as a

metaphysical claim. So much of Bohm borders in the metaphysical. He could

debate his understanding. I do not have sufficient understanding to

debate what he wrote. And I detest others attempting to suck me into

metaphysical debates. I either believe or not. So I'll stop at that not

intending to create such a metaphysical issue here...

 

Have you read the Proust book Neal Cassady wrote of so often? I checked

that from the library last winter and read the 1st half of it. It proved

a long winding read! My point here, though, I believe Neal Cassady

thought deeply about this very subject that you initiated or that

Burroughs initiated. And I couldn't help compare Proust descriptions as a

young child of questioning existence to Jung's childhood turmoil about God's

existence. Neal Cassady seemed to toil with this same issue--

memorizing each Pope in prison, etc. and going off into Edgar Casey, etc.

Somehow, it seems connected...

 

 

Michael L. Buchenroth

mike@buchenroth.com

www.buchenroth.com

To view

Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine

go to

www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:13:16 -0400

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Malcolm Lawrence wrote:

 

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> -----------------------------------------

> Never fails to amuse me how so many people send unsubscribe messages

> to the

> list itself. Someone even sent one to me only today.

>

> Anyway,

>

> Yeah, I was thinking about Ken Nordine recently too and wondered why

> he

> hadn't come up on the list yet. He also does a great bookending job

> for the

> Hal Wilner CD Stay Awake, which has contemporary artists covering old

> Disney standards. He's also just done a radio commercial, for what

> product

> I can't tell you, which is pretty indicative of just how powerful his

> voice

> is. You're listening to the timbre, you're listening to the phrasing,

> you're listening to the tonal control. Oh, what product is it? Damn,

> have

> to wait till it comes on again. Sounds like it's a national commercial

>

> though!

>

> Malcs

 

  Malcs:

 

Years ago, Nordine took a bunch of his riffs and did Levis commercials.

One day a stranger came to our town.

 

I always thought that Vidiots was da bomb.

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

 

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:43:08 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: [Fwd: Mail System Error - Returned Mail]

 

i found this and don't know where its been but forwarded it to general

list.

p

R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

>

> --

>

> Peace,

>

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

>

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> Subject: Re: Ken Nordine

> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:36:09 -0400

> From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)

> Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz kirby

> To: Multiple@scsn.net, recipients@scsn.net, of@scsn.net,

>      list@scsn.net, BEAT-L@scsn.net

> References: <01BC71FA.180E8A20@sea-ts3-p66.wolfenet.com>

>

> Malcolm Lawrence wrote:

>

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > -----------------------------------------

> > Never fails to amuse me how so many people send unsubscribe messages

> > to the

> > list itself. Someone even sent one to me only today.

> >

> > Anyway,

> >

> > Yeah, I was thinking about Ken Nordine recently too and wondered why

> > he

> > hadn't come up on the list yet. He also does a great bookending job

> > for the

> > Hal Wilner CD Stay Awake, which has contemporary artists covering old

> > Disney standards. He's also just done a radio commercial, for what

> > product

> > I can't tell you, which is pretty indicative of just how powerful his

> > voice

> > is. You're listening to the timbre, you're listening to the phrasing,

> > you're listening to the tonal control. Oh, what product is it? Damn,

> > have

> > to wait till it comes on again. Sounds like it's a national commercial

> >

> > though!

> >

> > Malcs

>

>   Malcs:

>

> Years ago, Nordine took a bunch of his riffs and did Levis commercials.

> One day a stranger came to our town.

>

> I always thought that Vidiots was da bomb.

>

> --

>

> Peace,

>

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:44:12 -0400

Reply-To:     "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs & viruses

Comments: To: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

In-Reply-To:  <339821B2.5E52@sunflower.com>

 

On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, David Rhaesa  wrote:

 

> it is a fine line here.  something of a paradoxical one.  the amount of

> biological determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the

> ability of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.

 

David:

I couldn't agree with you more here even though 'determinism' has

uncomfortable implications to me. Considering what you write here, it

almost seems futile to even try to control our semantic reactions,

doesn't it? Your biological determinism notion sure weakens AK's notion

that we can create and use symbolic behavior to get past this

'allergy.' Perhaps we cannot! Or the amount of control needed seems

almost shaman. We would need to reach inside ourselves, walk slowly on fire,

slow our heartbeat, and then go deeper still, to manipulate some genetic

code or something. That sure well-represents your notion of a

paradox--genetically altered, cloned beings who can walk into WalMart and

walk out empty handed, unaffected by those damn "falling prices."

Propagandaless existence! A Dolly who doesn't tread the time-worn path...

And who remembers those rules white washed on the side of the barn!

A real Beat sheep, perhaps..

 

Michael L. Buchenroth mike@buchenroth.com

www.buchenroth.com

To view

Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:01:19 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

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Michael L. Buchenroth wrote:

 

> David:

> This evolutionary/genetic mutation inclusion in 'physiological' does

> change the original notion, doesn't it? Indeed! I hadn't considered that.

>

> > i tend to think that burroughs is probably correct that these symbolic

> > factors are imbedded deeply in conscious and unconscious communicative

> > acts.  the notion of "allergy" is an excellent one.  but the fact that

> > some gain an awareness that explodes the "allergic" relationship, seems

> > to suggest that it is possible for many more to explode it.

>

> Even though I had not considered this broader point of view or more

> inclusive stipulation of 'physiological' in my post, I certainly agree

> with you. Or that our semantic reaction roots into us genetically, sure

> opens a whole new set of considerations! I can't help but think of Carl

> Jung's Collective here. If we consider that these ancient, unconscious

> collective associations happen physiologically in our brains or brain stems,

> then Jung agrees with you. I sure believe that Jung's Collective evolves.

> I believe that these reactions or associations we have,

> or that the relationship we have

> between us (our minds) to these archetypal symbols, motifs, whatever

> happen or occur physiologically! I cannot separate us to any degree from

> the physical world! Then, our physiologically  evolving Collective

> Unconscious that Jung described, and documented, supports what you write!

 

Eating food for lunch.  mexican kind.  jung probably affects my thinking

here.  in a debate with my shrink once we got to where he conceded that

Jungian archetypes extend to the 'genetic' level.  i don't believe that

he quite fathomed the extensions and implications of this conception.

this would - if true - eliminate the physiological difficulties i was

having before.

 

i am really interested in the notion of 'allergy' as archetype.  i think

that the 'virus'/'allergy' notion as archetype is worth exploring.

 

just went over to J. Hood bookstore on massachusetts avenue and snagged

a copy of Kenneth Burke's Language as Symbolic Action.  it is seriously

reminding me of some questions which i'll address when i get back to

salina.

 

for starters a hint is talking about the way that symbolic-action is

viral in its relation to "time" which seems a critical part of the

virus.  i'll think about this on the drive home and relate more to you

then.

>

> > it is a fine line here.  something of a paradoxical one.  the amount of

> > biological determinism involved in symbolic behavior cuts into the

> > ability of human beings to get past this 'allergy'.

>

> I don't like this notion of biological determinism though. To me, this

> implies human symbolic behavior had some finite beginning. I don't even

> believe our human symbolic behavior began with the Big Bang.

> Or the Big Bang prior to the most recent one. We just evolve. To David

> Bohm, everything just exists continually evolving (changing). To Bohm,

> reality evolved to point we experience currently, and will continue--and

> language, symbolic behavior, etc. with it. This seems much as a

> metaphysical claim. So much of Bohm borders in the metaphysical. He could

> debate his understanding. I do not have sufficient understanding to

> debate what he wrote. And I detest others attempting to suck me into

> metaphysical debates. I either believe or not. So I'll stop at that not

> intending to create such a metaphysical issue here...

 

not trying to get into metaphysical (i don't care for that word).  it is

mostly a conceptual question of virus as figurative vs. virus as

literal.  i think that the archetypal notion might connect the two.

>

> Have you read the Proust book Neal Cassady wrote of so often? I checked

> that from the library last winter and read the 1st half of it. It proved

> a long winding read! My point here, though, I believe Neal Cassady

> thought deeply about this very subject that you initiated or that

> Burroughs initiated. And I couldn't help compare Proust descriptions as a

> young child of questioning existence to Jung's childhood turmoil about God's

> existence. Neal Cassady seemed to toil with this same issue--

> memorizing each Pope in prison, etc. and going off into Edgar Casey, etc.

> Somehow, it seems connected...

 

not read Proust.  Jung's specific questioning probably had to do with

being a preacher's kid.  the 'type' of questions seem very connected.

Kierkegaard probably links them most often.  don't know if he finds an

answer.  these questions do relate to the control of the virus on human

activity.

>

> Michael L. Buchenroth

> mike@buchenroth.com

> www.buchenroth.com

> To view

> Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine

> go to

> www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:42 -0400

Reply-To:     Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Re: The Mecca of Lawrence....

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So Patricia     ...and david?

 

does this mean that you've travelled to Lawrence and are now at Patricia's?

....very cool if true - what a list!

 

antoine (using more lower case letters because I broke my wrist last night

when a ladder broke under me....just as renovation season starts! not too

bad though - i only have a splint on it/

 

 

antoine

 

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:02:45 -0400

Reply-To:     Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      list count

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fred,

 

message i sent this am came back with 182 recipients; this pm it was at 248!

can you explain the mysteries of subscriber's count?  thanks

 

antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:14:18 -0400

Reply-To:     Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

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fred,

 

that should have said 231 - 248 was from your prior post about subscribers

when it was reported to be at 248 altrhough we were seeing under 200 on our

recipients count that shows with message confirmation.

 

antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:25:50 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

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Antoine Maloney wrote:

>

> So Patricia     ...and david?

>

> does this mean that you've travelled to Lawrence and are now at Patricia's?

> ....very cool if true - what a list!

>

> antoine (using more lower case letters because I broke my wrist last night

> when a ladder broke under me....just as renovation season starts! not too

> bad though - i only have a splint on it/

>

> antoine

>

> Patricia wrote

 

yes david got here early this morning, i have drug him all over town and

he has the Billy Plymell room in the basement.  I got to feed him and

there will be a turkey and pie party sunday. Anyone on the list of

course is invited. lol

patricia

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:48:30 -0400

Reply-To:     "Robert H. Sapp" <rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "Robert H. Sapp" <rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET>

Subject:      Ginsberg memorial in NJ

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Can someone please post, or re-post, the scheduling of the memorial that

is sposed to occur in i think Paterson NJ. i would appreciate info.

 

Where, and when is it taking place, does anyone know how to give

directions from say, rt. 80.

 

thanks,

Eric

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:17:03 -0400

Reply-To:     Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nordine, Jack et al...

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Tony,

 

        Nordine's "colors" recording was originally a series of radio spots

for a paint company.

 

        antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

     "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

                        -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:48:22 -0400

Reply-To:     CVEditions@AOL.COM

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Nordine, Jack et al...

 

Antoine:

Annie Ross provided some of the best original scat and sometimes recorded

with King Pleasure. I saw her once. I didn't realize she was from Ireland.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:29:34 -0700

Reply-To:     Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

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Patricia Elliott wrote:

>

> Antoine Maloney wrote:

> >

> > So Patricia     ...and david?

> >

> > does this mean that you've travelled to Lawrence and are now at Patricia's?

> > ....very cool if true - what a list!

> >

> > antoine (using more lower case letters because I broke my wrist last night

> > when a ladder broke under me....just as renovation season starts! not too

> > bad though - i only have a splint on it/

> >

> > antoine

> >

> > Patricia wrote

>

> yes david got here early this morning, i have drug him all over town and

> he has the Billy Plymell room in the basement.  I got to feed him and

> there will be a turkey and pie party sunday. Anyone on the list of

> course is invited. lol

> patricia

 

 

That was a little confusing at first, hearing David's words under

Patricia Elliott's sig.  It would make it interesting, wouldn't it, if we

each could live out our own "on the road" on the list, traveling across

the country, knowing that somewhere down the road was a friendly beat-l

member waiting for us to arrive?

 

DC

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:45:19 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      The billy plymell slept here odysy

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Patricia wrote

Are beat- l member activities list related. We ate, who cares what, and

watched evening star, and wondered is Jack Nicklson ( who was only in

that movie as a cameo)beat related because of easy rider?

Went with David to Hoods used books store, where a fast but good time

was had. John Hood said that it was hard to keep anything of wsb's in.

p

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:54:37 -0500

Reply-To:     Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      beat-hotel and dinner establishment

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this is not patricia ... this is me david aka race

 

it appears that the beat-hotel has moved to lawrence.

the time here has been wonderful.

food report - dinner, good, italian

read half of queer this afternoon and found some other notions for virus

thread.

patricia says to tell WHAT book i bought.  i bought Kenneth Burke

(columbia drop-out), Language as Symbolic Action.  reading essay on Poe

and perfection right now.  well actually that was b4 my siesta and b4

reading from Queer.

the movie was good.  i kept saying when is jack showing up.  when is

jack showing up.  he still stole the show.

had my first chat experience today.  told them i was from Mars.

Lawrence is wonderful.  ghostlike memories of fifteen years ago when i

lived here and many changes some even good.

tempting just to move here again next week.

got done with the movie in time to watch michael jordan lose.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

On Route to KC 4 wedding (not mine)

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Date:         Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:22:55 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: The billy plymell slept here odysy

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Patricia Elliott wrote:

>

> Patricia wrote

> Are beat- l member activities list related. We ate, who cares what, and

> watched evening star, and wondered is Jack Nicklson ( who was only in

> that movie as a cameo)beat related because of easy rider?

> Went with David to Hoods used books store, where a fast but good time

> was had. John Hood said that it was hard to keep anything of wsb's in.

> p

 

 

Patricia and David,

 

I would say Jack is definitly at least Beat Related.  Hopper had photos

in the Whitney thing when it passed through SF and flew up for the

Ginsberg Memorial in SF, so at least by association Jack has to be at

least tangentially beat.

 

And in my view the activities of list members are certainly appropriate

fodder for the list.  (As long as you guys aren't secretely forging each

other's signatures in order to purloin each other's posthumous

archives.)

 

I'll be with you in spirit in Lawrence at your turkey and pie feed.

 

James Stauffer

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Date:         Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:43:04 -0400

Reply-To:     "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

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Subject:      Hendrix came from Mars too.

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this is me david aka race, wrote:

 

told them i was from Mars.

 

David,

 

Jimi Hendrix said he was from an asteroid belt near Mars.  Do you think

there used to be a planet between Mars and Jupiter?  There is a thread

on this that runs through psychedlic rock, so it could just be an LSD

thing, or it could be information in the genes.  Funny, if you see Jimi

in a dream, ask him, I will.

 

Peace,

 

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:56:21 -0400

Reply-To:     "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

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Subject:      Oh yeah, and in case you been dissing Carl Jung lately

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Oh yeah, and in case you been dissing Carl Jung, the collective

unconscious and archetypes lately, this was posted to the Hendrix mail

list and I just read it:

 

>Someone was commenting on an interview with Carlos Santana and reported

that >Santana said about Hendrix:

>They (sic) great thing was that they talked about him

>different than anyone else.  Santanta said he was a sound sculpturer,

and

>that his blues sounded like they came from Mars.  Someone else also

>mentioned that he seemed to come from outer space.  It was all quite

>exciting.

 

So, David, maybe you are from Mars, after all, Well, I won't go back

there now that I think about it.

 

;-)

 

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Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

 



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