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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:44:23 -0500
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Timothy
K. Gallaher wrote:
>
> At
12:14 PM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Diane Carter wrote:
>
>>
>
>> James,
>
>>
>
>> My unofficial calculations show Vision of Cody in the lead. Should we
>
>> just go for it at this point?
What do you want to read?
>
>>
>
>> DC
>
>
>
>I unofficially checked out Cody today from the public library ...
>
>
What does "unoficially checked out" mean?
>
>
Does this mean you stole it?
>
> If
so, don't do that. That messes things
up for everyone.
>
> If
you want to steal this book steal it from a bookstore.
>
> Or
if you don't want to buy it, officially check it out from the library.
>
> If
the above doesn't mean you stole it then ignore this message.
i did
not "liberate" Cody. the
unofficially was a connection to the
previous
post. i did check it out according to
normal library
procedures
and have my month of month and a half to treat it with my
loving
care.
i've
not "liberated" books in a long time. though it is something i
might
have done back in the crazier days of my FireWalk years. back
then it
was not a wise idea to suggest i read something someday and
point
to it in your personal collection. but
i'm reformed, i'm
reformed,
i'm reformed!!!! patricia can attest to
my replacement of
burroughs'
retreat diaries in the box in her basement where it was
stored
before i read it.
hope
all is well in the land of the where-ever and when-ever y'all are
today. i'm about to lay down with ole Cody and get
a paragraph at least
in my
brain before drifting into siesta-ville.
thanks
for the sermon tim. us reformed
"liberators" can use a good
reminder
now and then.
take
care all,
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 11:41:30 -0700
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<<Ok,
one thought and I'm oughta here>>
> Kerouac (as Ray Smith) "What
redeemer and what liveth?"
In
"Kerouac" <hm> trying to get the spelling right, I noticed that
the
only
vowel missing from his name is "I".
Kerouac is missing an eye.
missing
his i. I think I feel we have his i and
it should beat that
way. chi-i-kerouac
>lickity
spat, Douglas
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:04:51 -0700
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At
12:44 PM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Timothy
K. Gallaher wrote:
>>
>>
At 12:14 PM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>Diane Carter wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> James,
>>
>>
>>
>> My unofficial calculations show Vision of Cody in the lead. Should we
>>
>> just go for it at this point?
What do you want to read?
>>
>>
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>>
>I unofficially checked out Cody today from the public library ...
>>
>>
What does "unoficially checked out" mean?
>>
>>
Does this mean you stole it?
>>
>>
If so, don't do that. That messes
things up for everyone.
>>
>>
If you want to steal this book steal it from a bookstore.
>>
>>
Or if you don't want to buy it, officially check it out from the library.
>>
>>
If the above doesn't mean you stole it then ignore this message.
>
>i
did not "liberate" Cody. the
unofficially was a connection to the
>previous
post. i did check it out according to
normal library
>procedures
and have my month of month and a half to treat it with my
>loving
care.
>
>i've
not "liberated" books in a long time. though it is something i
>might
have done back in the crazier days of my FireWalk years. back
>then
it was not a wise idea to suggest i read something someday and
>point
to it in your personal collection. but
i'm reformed, i'm
>reformed,
i'm reformed!!!! patricia can attest to
my replacement of
>burroughs'
retreat diaries in the box in her basement where it was
>stored
before i read it.
>
>hope
all is well in the land of the where-ever and when-ever y'all are
>today. i'm about to lay down with ole Cody and get
a paragraph at least
>in
my brain before drifting into siesta-ville.
>
>thanks
for the sermon tim. us reformed
"liberators" can use a good
>reminder
now and then.
I
became so sick of looking up articles on kerouac or the beats or related
topics
in old magazines in libraries, going to the stacks, finding the old
issue
and opening up the bound volume and finding out that the article had
been
ropped out.
Also,
the same sort of thing with these books being stolen from libraries.
I
didn't read the other posts you referred to so I didn't know what
"unofficial"
meant.
I must
admit In my day I also stole books from stores. And I never stole
any
from a library but sometimes I didn't turn them back in.
So for
you youngsters out there wonking is bad juju.
But today books are so
expensive. They are all now in the large paperback
format.
Find a
good used book store and haunt it.
>
>take
care all,
>
>david
rhaesa
>salina,
Kansas
>
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:15:49 -0400
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>After
the first paragraph depends on whether i go to Denver tomorrow
Madam
Butterfly is playing at the Central City Opera....you could
relive
OTC (sure they didn't see Madam...however)
if i go
to Denver i hope to increase my Beat library at used bookstores
if they
exist.
Tattered Cover in Denver of course....or
The Beat Bookshop in Boulder
(everything from First/Second Edition
Town and City's to 99th run
Subterraneans. (and they have the coolest t-shirts....ooops, 2nd
coolest next to the BEAT-L shirt....)
love and lilies,
matt
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:43:14 +0000
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Sherri,
I'm not sure I understand your question...it's the
internet...type
in underlocation http://www.optichat.com/
It
should take you there... (Are you behind a firewall or something?)
Barb
Sherri
wrote:
>
>
Barb, Thanks for the info. I'm on msn... what website do i need to go
to in
>
the first place? Ciao, Sherri
>
>
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>
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>
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>
Subject: Re: Chat Site
>
>
Sherri...once you type in your name..or pseudo..and hit enter, you will
> go
into the main menu where you can see the list of rooms and who is in
>
them. Underneath will be a
bar...click,hold,and scroll to the room you
>
want. click on it, and you're there!
See you!
>
>
Sherri wrote:
>
>
>
> cool barb... how does one access Babblemania? Sherri
>
>
>
> ----------
>
> From: BEAT-L: Beat Generation
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>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 1997 4:24
PM
>
> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> Subject: Chat Site
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I spoke with the creator of
Optichat, and he said he'd be glad to
>
> create a room for those with Beat interests. (awfully nice of him)
>
> Anyhow, he maintains two sites: one which I prefer is an automatic
>
> scroll...there are no private commands...it's public chat, but there are
>
> no monitors..only a filter...can't say fuck etc ...but I have been
>
> fairly lucky in being able to express my ideas without needing that
>
> particular word...and it's so much fun being colorful in a new and
>
> twisted way, anyhow. The chat is
fast there, too...almost like irc.
>
> The other option is the beta room...where html commands work (so you can
>
> talk privately)
>
> Well, I'm just acting on a
suggestion I saw earlier...I think a good
>
> one. I'd like to see how you
think/react/chat in "real" time.
>
> Dan also said if someone who knows html wanted to design the entry page
>
> (if beta were chosen) that would be just groovy.
>
> Maybe those interested could go check it out tomorrow and we can see
>
> what folks think.
>
> The address is
http://www.optichat.com/
>
>
>
> I will be in the first optichat (scroll down, choose the chat on the
>
> left hand side of the page....I'll be there 7pm West Coast time...that
>
> would be 10 East Coast time (those of you in the middle....you'll have
>
> to do your own math!). For
now...lets meet in Babblemania (seems sort
>
> of Kerouac-like anyhow)...Hope to meet some of you for some input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barb
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Douglas
wrote:
>
and is this why Andre Breton says "beauty must be repulsive"?? To
reach
>'all-beauty'
would one soon be repulsed by everything??
Andre
Breton is a man unto himself. I have never really completely dug
him
(although his Surrealist Manifesto is interesting - read abridged
version
off internet). His discipline and commitment can be seen as
having
been political = Communist, which may have interfered with art:
playing
the role of dictator to the Surrealist movement . . . so . . . I
am
hesitant to fully give value to "beauty must be repulsive" . . .
shouldn't
it be: 'beauty is overwhelming' ?
>
Still wish you would explain that Yahweh/Moses ---> back/shoulders paradox.
'back/shoulders'
of God is a personification. We have gone through how
personification
of the celestial seems illusory = paradoxical, but then
again
not really, it is just an easier symbol-system to comprehend the
powers
that be through very human features - nothing wrong in that.
>
and where to go from there? back down
the mountain??
we talk
mountain
we look up-
the valley is deep
>
please don't let me ask about the "burning bush" in this context,
please don't
let me ask, please...
<<laughing>>
yeah .
. . the only thing i can say is that the Hebrew Scriptures are
wonderful
for fooling around poetically: biblical rhythm, themes,
characters
. . .
I am
trying to read through it . . . presently on "Numbers"; Genesis &
Exodus
were good; Leviticus is mostly describing the intricacies of the
Law;
Song of Songs attributed to King Solomon is nice - it uses
"Beloved",
"Lover", & "Poet" speakers - i plan to fool around with
this
concept
("Beloved" are the people of Israel, "Lover" is God,
"Poet" is
author
= myself)
JN
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: How to love a woman long distance...
In a
message dated 97-06-25 01:49:03 EDT, dkpenn@OEES.COM (Penn, Douglas, K)
writes:
<<
"How to best love a woman who lives 125 miles away?"
Please respond in a BEAT manner. cheers, Douglas
>>
I would
say if you want to have a long distance relationship, you should try
to
stretch it out for as long as you can.
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Eastward Journey, part II
Well,
Still
on the road. Left LA, after not really doing much there at all other
then
drive. Was going to stop by the Viper Room in Beverly Hills, and ask
Johnny
Depp if I could borrow his $50,000 raincoat.
Drove
to Las Vegas on Wednesday, stayed at the Luxor Hotel, which is the
pyramid
type building. Ask for the package deal, and they give you a free
lunch
buffet voucher. But I will tell you this, the buffet on a scale 1 - 10
was
about a 4. Not very good. Normally would cost $5.99.
Walked
and drove around to many of the hotels/casinos. Won some money but
lost
even more. Gambling was only a few dollars here and there (ok, I ended
up
losing $37 which I am not too happy about). I can't say that I was feeling
very
lucky but I thought I would do better.
Vegas is
now half kids, half glitz, and half plaid shorts. I think the
building
architecture and neon lights make up for it though.
Got off
on a late start the next day and stopped off at the Hoover Dam. I was
glad, I
thought it was named for Edgar Hoover, Under Cover man in women's
undercovers.
But it is named for President Herbert Hoover. That was a lot of
cement
poured into that valley.
Don't
know how far I was suppose to get that day, but I found myself in
Laughlin
at 8 pm, and saw the sign that said rooms $17, so I had to stay. It
is
located right on the Colorado River, border of Arizona.
Next
day went to Oatman Arizona (24 miles or so from Bullhead City). This was
my
first jouney on to the mother road, Route 66. On the outskirts of town,
the
tumbleweed bushes are decorated with x-mas stuff (tinsel and bulbs and
other
x-mas stuff). Oatman was a thriving
mining community of 10,000 people
at one
point, then a ghost town of 50 people, and now a tourist town of a few
100.
And some wild burros that roam the street (I would say streets, but
there
is only one street-- old Route 66). From there it was a twisty road to
Route
40. I don't think that even Neal could have cruised these roads at
faster
then 30 miles an hour. From there drove
non-stop to Amarillo (yellow
in
spanish), it was some 900 + miles.
About
63 miles from a town called Tumucari (was that in Texas or New Mexico,
who the
hell knows) a giant something smashes into my windshield. It was the
biggest
bug I have ever hit. Left a patch of goo and blob 4 inches by 5
inches.
Saw of
course Caddillac Ranch, which is on the west side of Amarillo. It is
10
caddillacs buried next to what was Route 66, now Route 40, pointing west.
If you
are traveling west, it will be on your left side (I think mile marker
86).
Also
hiked in Palo Duro Canyon, which they say is the 2nd largest canyon in
the US.
It is pretty wild because you can drive down to the bottom of the
canyon.
It is about 24 miles outside of Amarillo.
Right
now, living it up in a Motel 6.
Tom
Bodell and I say, enjoy,
Attila
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:52:31 -0400
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From: "Diane M. Homza"
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Subject: Re: suspicious, but perhaps unfounded.
Reply
to message from lisar@NET-LINK.NET of Tue, 01 Jul
>
>And
considering that I haven't spoken to 3/4 of the people on the list here
>personally,
met them, had coffee with them nor shared in their lives, which
>includes
you sherri, maybe you do not exist either.
>
According
to Roland Barthes, none of us exist, since in order to truly
interpret
literature the author must be "dead", and so as each of us reads
the
others' messages the original author no longer exists; he/she/it must
give
way--the reader has taken over. The
only good I ever found in that
essay
was that BArthes didn't exist, either, then.
Diane.
--
Life is
weird. Remember to brush your teeth.
--Heidi
A. Emhoff
ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu
Diane M. Homza
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:18:21 -0700
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JN
wrote:
<<shouldn't
it be: 'beauty is overwhelming' ?>>
but
then the object of beauty wouldn't be "attractive" (as opposed to
repulsive).
Have
been thinking about this a bit, since its inception here on the
list. Are all women beautiful? This question has dogged me for years.
<<I
need more training, methodological and *physical*, ug!>> Thinking
of the
virgin/whore paradigm. Mary who birthed
him, while the other
brings
him water and bathes him.
Look
forward to hearing more about Jan Kerouac.
<<perhaps
this should all be backchannel??>>
Have
always been searching for beauty. The
perfect woman. the perfect
mate. even seriously considered men for a
while. An impossible task.
how
fleeting, my past pursuits. how eyes
deceive us. Have been talking
backchannel
about art, process and results with a fellow beetle. How
when
the process is all through, all one really has is results :: when
beauty
has been completed, one is left with a substance. a solid
ground.
hopefully a common ground. Who
knows? <<still searching>>
yes, *I
know*, perfection can not be achieved.............
<<
>we
talk mountain
> we look up-
>
the valley is deep
>>
If you
have the opportunity, listen to the Butthole Surfer's latest
musical
hit, "pepper." I only know
bits of the lyrics: [[ ~~~ some
have
died in hot pursuit, sifting thru my ashes, coming down the
mountain
~~~~ images I've seen, some can hit you through your eyes,
others
in between. ]] All atop a snake
coiling backbeat, a guitar
melodic
in its abstractions, high above the words.
and the video is
great!! <<On my way to lunch, this song seemed
very appropo.>>
>
><<yeah
. . . the only thing i can say is that the Hebrew Scriptures are
>wonderful
for fooling around poetically: biblical rhythm, themes,
characters
. . .>>
my
grandfather worked in a garage his whole life.
learned to play piano
late in
life. took walks after dinner. watched johnny carson, benny
hill. Then sat down in his favorite chair and read
the bible. finally,
he went
to sleep <<prostate
cancer>>. Don't know what part he
got up
to, but
I imagine him there reading. In my
dreams he talks to me, and
all he
usually says is "Douglas."
<<I'm waiting...>>
>gotta
keep reading. Let me know how it ends,
Yes? Cheers.
> JN
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Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
> JN
wrote:
>
>
<<shouldn't it be: 'beauty is overwhelming' ?>>
>
>
but then the object of beauty wouldn't be "attractive" (as opposed to
>
repulsive).
>
>
Have been thinking about this a bit, since its inception here on the
>
list. Are all women beautiful? This question has dogged me for years.
>
<<I need more training, methodological and *physical*, ug!>> Thinking
> of
the virgin/whore paradigm. Mary who
birthed him, while the other
>
brings him water and bathes him.
>
>
Look forward to hearing more about Jan Kerouac.
>
>
<<perhaps this should all be backchannel??>>
>
>
Have always been searching for beauty.
The perfect woman. the perfect
>
mate. even seriously considered men for
a while. An impossible task.
>
how fleeting, my past pursuits. how
eyes deceive us. Have been talking
>
backchannel about art, process and results with a fellow beetle. How
>
when the process is all through, all one really has is results :: when
>
beauty has been completed, one is left with a substance. a solid
>
ground. hopefully a common ground. Who
knows? <<still searching>>
>
>
yes, *I know*, perfection can not be achieved.............
>
>
<<
>
>we talk mountain
>
> we look up-
>
> the valley is deep
>
>>
>
> If
you have the opportunity, listen to the Butthole Surfer's latest
>
musical hit, "pepper." I only
know bits of the lyrics: [[ ~~~ some
>
have died in hot pursuit, sifting thru my ashes, coming down the
>
mountain ~~~~ images I've seen, some can hit you through your eyes,
>
others in between. ]] All atop a snake
coiling backbeat, a guitar
>
melodic in its abstractions, high above the words. and the video is
>
great!! <<On my way to lunch,
this song seemed very appropo.>>
>
>
>
><<yeah . . . the only thing i can say is that the Hebrew Scriptures
are
>
>wonderful for fooling around poetically: biblical rhythm, themes,
>
characters . . .>>
>
> my
grandfather worked in a garage his whole life.
learned to play piano
>
late in life. took walks after
dinner. watched johnny carson, benny
>
hill. Then sat down in his favorite
chair and read the bible. finally,
> he
went to sleep <<prostate
cancer>>. Don't know what part he
got up
>
to, but I imagine him there reading. In
my dreams he talks to me, and
>
all he usually says is "Douglas."
<<I'm waiting...>>
>
>
>gotta keep reading. Let me know how
it ends, Yes? Cheers.
>
>
> JN
the
teenagers are run out of BabbleMania if anyone interested in
chatting
about this junk
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:52:24 +0000
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David....
the place is relatively new...and isn't used that much. I
thought
we could fill a vacuum! (which nature, of course, abhors) It
would
be an easy site to occupy, esp. if Dan sets up a Beat chat room.
I'm
glad you stopped by...
barb
will be
on tonight
RACE
--- wrote:
>
>
Mike & Barbara Wirtz wrote:
>
>
>
> Sherri...once you type in your name..or pseudo..and hit enter, you will
>
> go into the main menu where you can see the list of rooms and who is in
>
> them. Underneath will be a
bar...click,hold,and scroll to the room you
>
> want. click on it, and you're there!
See you!
>
>
>
> Sherri wrote:
>
> >
>
> > cool barb... how does one access Babblemania? Sherri
>
> >
>
> > ----------
>
> > From: BEAT-L: Beat
Generation List on behalf of Mike & Barbara Wirtz
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 1997
4:24 PM
>
> > To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> > Subject: Chat Site
>
> >
>
> > Hi there,
>
> > I spoke with the creator
of Optichat, and he said he'd be glad to
>
> > create a room for those with Beat interests. (awfully nice of him)
>
> > Anyhow, he maintains two sites: one which I prefer is an automatic
>
> > scroll...there are no private commands...it's public chat, but there
are
>
> > no monitors..only a filter...can't say fuck etc ...but I have been
>
> > fairly lucky in being able to express my ideas without needing that
>
> > particular word...and it's so much fun being colorful in a new and
>
> > twisted way, anyhow. The chat
is fast there, too...almost like irc.
>
> > The other option is the beta room...where html commands work (so you
can
>
> > talk privately)
>
> > Well, I'm just acting
on a suggestion I saw earlier...I think a
good
>
> > one. I'd like to see how you
think/react/chat in "real" time.
>
> > Dan also said if someone who knows html wanted to design the entry
page
>
> > (if beta were chosen) that would be just groovy.
>
> > Maybe those interested could go check it out tomorrow and we can see
>
> > what folks think.
>
> > The address is
http://www.optichat.com/
>
> >
>
> > I will be in the first optichat (scroll down, choose the chat on the
>
> > left hand side of the page....I'll be there 7pm West Coast time...that
>
> > would be 10 East Coast time (those of you in the middle....you'll
have
>
> > to do your own math!). For
now...lets meet in Babblemania (seems sort
>
> > of Kerouac-like anyhow)...Hope to meet some of you for some input.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Barb
>
> i
went over to see what it was like at 4:00 central time. certainly a
>
lot of teenagers to run off.
>
>
teenagers that type slower than my Dead Grandmother i might add :)
>
>
david rhaesa
>
salina, Kansas
>
>
p.s. i might be free at 9 to jump in the room I think i know how to get
> to
Babblemania now. thanks and all that.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:42:43 +0200
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Subject: BOMB by Gregory Corso (was re:gregory
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BOMB by Gregory Corso
Budger of history Brake of time You Bomb
Toy of universe Grandest of all snatched-sky
I cannot hate you
Do I hate the mischievous
thunderlbolt the jawbone of an ass
The bumpy club of On Million B.C. the mace
the flail the axe
Catapulte Da Vinci tomahawke Cochise
flintlock Kidd dagger Rathbone
Ah and the sad desperate gun of
Verlaine Pushkin Dillinger
Bogart
And hath not St. Michael a burning sword St. George a lance David a sling
Bomb
you are as cruel as man makes you
and you're no crueller than cancer
All man hates you the'd rather die by car-crash
lightining drowing
Falling off a roof electric-chair
heart-attack old age old age O Bomb
They'd rather die by anything but
you Death's finger is free-lance
Not up to man wheter you boom or not Death has long since distribuited its
categorical blue I sing thee Bomb Death's
extravagance Death's jubilee
Gem of Death's supremest blue The flyer will crash his death will differ
with the climber who'll fall To die by cobra is not to die by bad pork
Some
die by swamp some by sea and some by the bushy-haired man in the night
O there are deaths like witches of Arc Scary deaths like Boris Karloff
No-feeling deaths like birth-death sadless deaths like old pain Bowery
Abandoned deaths like Capital Punishment stately deaths like senators
And unthinkable deaths like Harpo Marx girls on
vogue covers my own
I do not know just how orrible Bombdeath is I can only image
Yet no other death I know has so
laughable a preview I scope
a city New York City
streaming starkeyed subway
shelter
Scores and scores A fumble of humanity High beels bend
Hats whelming away Youth forgetting their combs
Ladies not knowing what to do with
their shopping bags
Unperturbed gum machines Yet dangerous 3rd rail
Ritz Brothers from the Bronx caught in the A train
The smiling Schenley poster
will always smile
Implish Death Satyr Bomb
Bombdeath
Turtles
exploding over Istambul
The jaguar's
flying foot
soon to sink in
arctic snow
Penguins plunged
against the Sphinx
The top of the Empire
State Bulding
arrowed in a broccoli
field in Sicily
Eiffel shaped like C in
Magnolia Gardens
St. Sophia peeling
over Sudan
O athletic
Death Sportive Bomb
The temple of
ancient times
their grand ruine ceased
Electrons Protons
Neutrons
gathering
Hesperean hair
walking the dolorous
golf of Arcady
joing marble
helmsmen
entering the final
amphitheatre
with a hymnody feeling
of all Troys
heralding
cypressean torches
racing plumes and
banners
and yet knowing Homer with a step of grace
Lo the visiting team
of Present
the home team
of Past
Lyre and tuba
together joined
Hark the hotdog soda
olive grape
gala galaxy robed and uniformed
commissary O the happy stands
Ethereal root and
cheer and boo
The billioned all-time
attendance
The Zeusian
pandemonium
Hermes racing
Owens
the Spitball of
Buddha
Christ
striking out
Luther stealing
third
Planetarium Death Hosannah Bomb
Gush the final
rose O Spring Bomb
Come with thy gown of
dynamite green
unmenance Nature's
inviolate eye
Before you the wimpled Past
behind you the hallooing Future
O Bomb
Bound in the grassy
clarion air
like the fox of the
tally-ho
thy field the universe thy
hedge the geo
Leap Bomb bound Bomb frolic zig and zag
The stars a swarm of bees in
the binging bag
Stick angels on your
jubilee feet
wheels of rainlight on your
bunky seat
You are due and behold you
are due
and the heavens are
with you
hosannah incalescent
glorious liaision
BOMB O avoc antiphony
molten cleft BOOM
Bomb mark infinity a sudden furnace
spread thy multidinous
encompassed Sweep
set forth
awful agenda
Carrion stars charnel planets carcass elements
Corpse the universe tee-hee
finger-in-the mounth hop
over its long long
dead Nor
From thy nimbled matted
spastic eye
exhsaust delegues of
celestial ghouls
From thy appellational
womb
spew birth-gusts of great worms
Rip open your belly
Bomb
from your belly outflock vulturic salutations
Battle forth your spangled hyena
finger stumps
along the brick of
Paradis
O Bomb O final Pied Paradise
both sun and firefly behind
your shock waltz
God abandoned
mock-nude
beneath His thin false-talc'd
apocalypse
He cannot hear thy flute's
happy-the-day
profanation
He is spilled deaf into the
Silencer's warty ear
His Kingdom an eternity of
crude wax
Clogged clarions untrumpet
Him
Selead angels unsing
Him
A thunderless God A dead God
O Bomb thy BOOM His tomb
That i lean forward on a
desk of science
an astrologer dabbling in
dragon prose
half-smart about wars bombs
especially bombs
That I am unable to hate what is
necessary to love
That i can't exist in a world
that consents
a child in a park a man dying in an electric-chair
That I am able to laugh at
all things
all that I know and do not know thus to conceal my pain
That I say I am a poet and
therefore love all man
and my unwords no less an
acquaintanceship
That I am
manifold
a man pursuing the big
lies of gold
or a poet roaming in
bright ashes
or that which I image
myself to be
a shark-toothed sleep
a man-eater od dreams
I need not then be all-smart
about bombs
Happily do for it I felt bombs were caterpillars
I'd doubt not they'd
become butterflies
There is a hell for bombs
They're there I see them there
They sit in bits and
sing songs
mostly German
songs
and two very long
American songs
and they wish there were
more songs
especcialy Russian and
Chinese songs
and some more very long
American songs
Poor little Bomb
that'll never be
an Eskimo song I love thee
I want to put a
lollipop
in thy furcal
mouth
A wig of Goldilocks on thy
baldy bean
and have you skip with me Hansel
and Gretel
along the Hollywoodian
screen
O Bomb in which all lovely
things
moral or phisical anxiously
partecipate
O fairlyflake plucked
from the
grandest universe tree
O piece of heaven
which gives
both mountain and
anthill a sun
I am standing before your
fantastic lily door
I bring you Midgardian roses Arcadian musk
Reputed cosmetics from the
girls of heaven
Welcome me fear not thy opened door
nor thy cold ghost's grey
memory
nor the pimps of indefinite
weather
their cruel terrestrial thaw
Oppenheimer is
seated
in the dark pocket
of Light
Fermi is dry in
Death's Mozambique
Einstein his
mythmouth
a barnacled wreath on the
moon-squid's head
Let me in Bomb rise from thet
pregnant-rat corner
nor fear the raised-broom nations
of the world
O Bomb I love
you
I want to kiss your clanck
eat your boom
You are a pean an acme of scream
a lyric hat of Mister
Thunder
O resound thy tanky
knees
BOOM BOOM
BOOM BOOM BOOM
BOOM ye skies and BOOM
ye suns
BOOM BOOM ye moons ye
clouds ye rains
go BANG ye lakes ye oceans BING
Barracuda BOOM and
coguar BOOM
Ubangi BANG orangoutang
BIG BANG BONG BOOM bee bear baboon
ye BANG ye BONG ye
BING
the tail the
fin the wing
Yes Yes into our midst a
bomb will fall
Flowers will leap in joy their roots aching
Pinkbombs will blossom Elkbombs will perk their ears
Ah many a bomb that day will awe the
bird a gentle look
Yet not anough to say a bomb will fall
or even contend celestial fire goes out
Know that the earth will madonna
the Bomb
that in the hearts of men to come more
bombs will be born
magisterial bombs wrapped in
ermine all beatiful
and they'll sit plunk on
earth's grumpy empires
fierce with moustaches
of gold
---
yrs
Rinaldo.
www.gpnet.it/rasa/home.htm
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>Reply-To: Michael Skau
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>From: Michael Skau
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>Subject: gregory corso?
>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
>Ksenija,
>The
Corso line you were asking about is from line 15 of Corso's
>poem
"Bomb"; in English it reads," To die by cobra is not to die
>by
bad pork." "Bomb" was originally published as a broadside, and
>later
was collected in _The Happy Birthday of Death_ as a foldout
>in
that volume, surely one of the few books of poetry ever published
>with
a centerfold.
>Cordially,
>Mike
Skau
>7/1/97
>
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From: Marie Countryman
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Subject: Re: BOMB by Gregory Corso (was
re:gregory corso?)
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one of
my favorites by corso.
isn't
that the poem he recites in fried shoes, or cookies or something at
naropa?
btw
hi
rinaldo.
mc
think
i'll spend some time with elegaic feelings tonite
mc
btw
how the
hell are ya, R?
mc
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:29:38 -0700
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David
writ:
>
><<the
teenagers are run out of BabbleMania if anyone interested in
chatting
about this junk>>
Douglas,
pulling a quote from Joyce's Ulysses (p25), declines:
---How, sir? Comyn asked. A bridge is
across a river.
For Haines's chapbook. No-one here to hear. Tonight deftly amid wild
drink
and talk, to pierce the polished mail of his mind. What then? A
jester
at the court of his master, indulged and disesteemed, winning a
clement
master's praise. Why had they chosen
all that part? Not wholly
for the
smooth caress. For them too history was
a tale like any other
too
often heard, their land a pawnshop.
Had Pyrrhus not fallen by a beldam's
hand in Argos or Julius Caesar not
been knifed
to death? They are not to be thought
away. Time has
branded
them and fettered they are logded in
the room of the infinite
possibilities they have ousted. But can those have been possible
seeing
that they never were? Or was that only
possible which came to
pass? Weave, weaver of the wind.
---Tell us a story, sir.
>
=-=-=-=-=-
>>
david rhaesa
>>
salina, Kansas
<<sorry
for the indulgence>> Douglas
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:27:23 -0500
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Mike
& Barbara Wirtz wrote:
>
>
Sherri, I'm not sure I understand your question...it's the
>
internet...type in underlocation http://www.optichat.com/
> It
should take you there... (Are you behind a firewall or something?)
>
Barb
>
>
Sherri wrote:
>
>
>
> Barb, Thanks for the info. I'm on msn... what website do i need to go
to
in
>
> the first place? Ciao, Sherri
>
>
>
> ----------
>
> From: BEAT-L: Beat Generation
List on behalf of Mike & Barbara Wirtz
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 1997
12:57 AM
>
> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> Subject: Re: Chat Site
>
>
>
> Sherri...once you type in your name..or pseudo..and hit enter, you will
>
> go into the main menu where you can see the list of rooms and who is in
>
> them. Underneath will be a
bar...click,hold,and scroll to the room you
>
> want. click on it, and you're there!
See you!
>
>
>
> Sherri wrote:
>
> >
>
> > cool barb... how does one access Babblemania? Sherri
>
> >
>
> > ----------
>
> > From: BEAT-L: Beat
Generation List on behalf of Mike & Barbara Wirtz
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 1997
4:24 PM
>
> > To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> > Subject: Chat Site
>
> >
>
> > Hi there,
>
> > I spoke with the
creator of Optichat, and he said he'd be glad to
>
> > create a room for those with Beat interests. (awfully nice of him)
>
> > Anyhow, he maintains two sites: one which I prefer is an automatic
>
> > scroll...there are no private commands...it's public chat, but there
are
>
> > no monitors..only a filter...can't say fuck etc ...but I have been
>
> > fairly lucky in being able to express my ideas without needing that
>
> > particular word...and it's so much fun being colorful in a new and
>
> > twisted way, anyhow. The chat
is fast there, too...almost like irc.
>
> > The other option is the beta room...where html commands work (so you
can
>
> > talk privately)
>
> > Well, I'm just acting
on a suggestion I saw earlier...I think a
good
>
> > one. I'd like to see how you
think/react/chat in "real" time.
>
> > Dan also said if someone who knows html wanted to design the entry
page
>
> > (if beta were chosen) that would be just groovy.
> >
> Maybe those interested could go check it out tomorrow and we can see
>
> > what folks think.
>
> > The address is
http://www.optichat.com/
>
> >
>
> > I will be in the first optichat (scroll down, choose the chat on the
>
> > left hand side of the page....I'll be there 7pm West Coast
time...that
>
> > would be 10 East Coast time (those of you in the middle....you'll
have
>
> > to do your own math!). For
now...lets meet in Babblemania (seems sort
>
> > of Kerouac-like anyhow)...Hope to meet some of you for some input.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Barb
well i
chatted a bit -- it is OK. my
fingerspeed helps me in the sport
although
my ignorance of the technology is a weakness.
i recommend it
to
folks. if several Beat-L'ers join it
can easily overwhelm the
conversation
to whatever subject we agree upon. of
course, agreement on
a
subject will probably be about as easy as agreement on a summer
reading
project :)
read
the first paragraph of Cody. it was
olfactory. a sense i have
little
of. but i kinda got the gist of it.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
> David
writ:
>
>
>
><<the teenagers are run out of BabbleMania if anyone interested in
>
chatting about this junk>>
>
>
Douglas, pulling a quote from Joyce's Ulysses (p25), declines:
>
> ---How, sir? Comyn asked. A bridge is across a river unless it is
across a train-track or a highway or a road.
> For Haines's chapbook. No-one here to hear. Tonight deftly amid wild
>
drink and talk, to pierce the polished mail of his mind -- he laughs to
himself at the notion that anyone would find
his mind polished. He explores
the mail metaphor through his various
synapses for three hours and falls asleep
in a snowstorm that the mental pony express
could not deliver through. What
then?
The black nothingness of sleep follows.
A
> jester
at the court of his master, indulged and disesteemed, winning a
>
clement master's praise. The jester
picks up an electric guitar at Newport
and is thrown out of the court for not being
folky. The jester smiles and
flies far ahead of the crowd to a watchtower
where he and Isaiah scope the
scene of the centuries. Why had they chosen all that part? Isaiah questions
whether it was much of a choice. The other parts weren't worth crap anyway.
Not wholly
>
for the smooth caress. The Jester
laughs and imagines a rough caress or two
as well.
For them too history was a tale like any other
>
too often heard, their land a pawnshop.
And the trinkets of yesteryear were
sold by a blind man with a silver tooth who
never lost a bit to shoplifters and
wasn't a bad pickpocket either.
> Had Pyrrhus not fallen by a beldam's
hand in Argos or Julius Caesar
not
>
been knifed to death? Had they not, had
they not, they would have died
nonetheless.
They are not to be thought away.
Time has
>
branded them and fettered they are
logded in the room of the infinite
>
possibilities they have ousted. But a wormhole has taken them into the hive
of a flat earth society gathering north of
Parker Arizona near the Colorado
River with a bridge over it like many bridges
are. But can those have been
possible seeing that they never were? Or was that only possible which came to
pass?
Passing through the illusions of time and space over the river and
through the woods we gather on the bridge and
wonder whether we should perform
a collective Jump. Weave, weaver of the wind.
> ---Tell us a story, sir.
>
>
>
=-=-=-=-=-
>
>
>> david rhaesa
>
>> salina, Kansas
>
>
<<sorry for the indulgence>> Douglas
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:12:00 -0700
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David
writ:
<<
>> ---How, sir? Comyn asked. A bridge is across a river unless it is
> across
a train-track or a highway or a road.
>>
Yes, I
hear them now. short like stacks of
smoke. a sound of always
moving. Are you there still, David? David?
shoe, chew, chew, chew
<I
know I can> Douglas
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:45:29 EDT
Reply-To: Marcus Williamson
<71333.1665@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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From: Marcus Williamson <71333.1665@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Kenneth Patchen tribute
A
tribute to the life and work of poet and artist Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972) is
being
held at the Naropa Institute, Boulder, Colorado, July 9 - July 12 1997.
For
further information please see :
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Patchen/
Thanks
& regards
Marcus
Williamson
London,
UK
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:01:06 -0400
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: automatic writing
i dreamt last night of an animal, furry
with sharp teeth like a bat but
not a
bat, more like a rabbit. someone was
holding it down and another
person,
perhaps a biology graduate student, was prying its mouth open with
his or
her index fingers, causing the animal to grin grotesquely and i looked
at the
teeth oh my god those teeth what teeth and then it was all black and i
woke
up. No, i know, the animal was a
monkey. A baby monkey i think a
baboon
or a marmoset. Something with a long
snout. Sharp teeth. bloody
gums.
this is
the dream i dreamed last night. been
thinking about it all day, it
haunts
me. Not a nightmare really, cause i
didn't wake up shit-scared, but
it
haunts me somehow.
Do you
know the feeling?
---maya
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 11:04:59 -0700
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Diane
M. Homza wrote:
>
>
According to Roland Barthes, none of us exist, since in order to truly
>
interpret literature the author must be "dead", and so as each of us
>
reads
>
the others' messages the original author no longer exists; he/she/it
>must
>
give way--the reader has taken over.
The only good I ever found in
>that
>
essay was that BArthes didn't exist, either, then.
>
>
Diane.
>
Sort of
parallels the idea that the reader "finishes" the work, a concept
played
out by Joyce and probably even Kerouac as he approached the idea
of
taking words further.
DC
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:24:24 -0400
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: happy poem about adolescence
i
remember when we used to laugh
on the
bench in the Garden
the
whole thing sunny and buzzing.
Disgusting.
I
remember crying as i watched your fingerprints darken on my bruising arm.
The purple handprint developing like a
polaroid through my blurred sight.
Your hand's yellowing shadow stayed gripping
my arm for a week. Your
fingers,
your hand!
I want
to ask you now, what did it for you?
Was it
that night in the cemetery watching tombstones float by?
Was it
your bitch-for-a-mother? Your dad's coke problem?
Was it
that nightmarish prom-night I dragged you to?
I mean,
what crossed the line for you?
(Was it
really worth it to you, you prick?)
'Cause
you made a big black spot
on this the only life
i've
got.
(The
way I can't stop thinking about you, one might think i didn't hate you.)
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A
Patchen tribute is a wonderful idea. I
don't know why I'm suprised
that
Naropa is the one to think of this.
J
Stauffer
Marcus
Williamson wrote:
>
> A
tribute to the life and work of poet and artist Kenneth Patchen (1911-1972)
is
>
being held at the Naropa Institute, Boulder, Colorado, July 9 - July 12 1997.
>
For further information please see :
>
>
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Patchen/
>
>
Thanks & regards
>
Marcus Williamson
>
London, UK
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: automatic writing
Comments:
To: Becca91894@aol.com
In a
message dated 97-07-02 23:16:46 EDT, you write:
<<
hey there--
i'm new to the list and most of the time i
don't know what'd going on. i
read
the posts about automatic writing or "spontaneous prose", but i'm not
familiar
with these terms. i'm intrigued--maybe
you could take some time to
explain
the concept to me?
with advanced appreciation,
becca
>>
automatic
writing is a term invented by the surrealists in the 1910's-20's or
thereabouts. The surrealists were Andre Breton, Max
Ernst, Bunuel, Dali,
etc, mostly living in Paris. Andre Breton is the one who actually
invented
the
term, i think. He wrote the Surrealist
Manifesto.
It
means just writing whatever comes into your head. Channelling the
unconscious
thoughts. the surrealists were very
interested in the
unconscious
and in dreams. (they were fascinated by Freud for example) So in
automatic
writing you don't edit yourself. Just
write. Doesn't have to make
"sense"
to others. It's "automatic"
because you don't think about it, just
do it.
(perhaps Nike's P.R. managers were into Breton?)
I think
the beats were heavily influenced by the surrealists. In fact their
whole
generation was. While i'm making
generalizations, i might as well say
that
the whole 20th century is colored by the surrealists, as far as art is
concerned.
Does
that answer you questions at all?
-------------maya
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At 8:38
PM -0700 7/2/97, Maya Gorton wrote:
>
automatic writing is a term invented by the surrealists in the 1910's-20's or
>
thereabouts. The surrealists were Andre
Breton, Max Ernst, Bunuel, Dali,
>
etc, mostly living in Paris. Andre Breton is the one who actually
invented
>
the term, i think. He wrote the
Surrealist Manifesto.
Don't
forget Yves Tanguey, Lee Miller, Max Ernst, and Man Ray, to name a
few. Personally, I like the "dadaists"
who preceeded them. The
Surrealists,
in general, played a lot of games. One
game involved three or
four
people and a folded sheet of paper. One
person would start with the
head,
the next the body, the legs, feet, etc.
But nobody knew what the
others
had done. Amazing results.
and
along the lines of writing, they would all take turns at a typewriter.
one
would start the story, one would play middle, and perhaps another the
end. just write and write and write. a happy form of accidents, I suppose.
> I
think the beats were heavily influenced by the surrealists. In fact their
>
whole generation was. While i'm making
generalizations, i might as well say
>
that the whole 20th century is colored by the surrealists, as far as art is
>
concerned.
I'd be
curious to tie this in with what Diane was saying about Kerouac and
the
idea of "taking words farther."
I know David Bowie and Brian Eno used
a
custom deck of cards to make a lot of their decisions [be contrary, be
harmonious,
etc]. Did the beats, in general, play
games during the process
of
putting words to paper? Again, I'm new
to their literature and don't
know
these things.
>
>
Does that answer you questions at all?
>
-------------maya
raises
more. good. cheers, Douglas
<<i.e., the impact of war upon
literature,
art>>
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ let the man come thru
stand
up, and let the man come thru
let the man come thru
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Subject: what's going on?
hey
there--
i'm
pretty new to the list, so i think i probably don't have any right to
criticize,
but i'm doing it anyways. my fervent
wish is that everyone takes
this in
the best possible way. now that i've
built it up into something
huge,
here's my question: i've been getting a
lot of duplicate mail. i love
the
list, and duplicate mail wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact
that so
much mail comes from this list without duplications, and i'm missing
other
emails. is anyone else having this
problem? or is there just
something
wrong with my mail?
that's
all there is to the criticism. it
wasn't so bad, now was it?
let me
close by reiterating my fondness for the list-- i think it's great,
i'm
learning a lot and am getting so much out of the conversations, even
though
i'm not actively participating.
eventually i will, when i get over
being
shy.
thanks
for the list and thanks in advance to anyone who decides to address
this
matter for me.
in
friendship,
becca
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los angels october 1959)
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"Vision
of Cody" for jack kerouac was his preferred book
'cuz he
wasnt' able to publish it,---Rinaldo.
*
Rarely,
rarely comest
[thou
Spirit of Delight"
---shelley
*
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:52:51 +0200
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>>From
FireWalk Thru Madness, copyright December 1992 David B. Rhaesa
<|snip|>
David,
are you
copirated?
---
yrs
Rinaldo
* a beetle bottled *
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:16:49 -0400
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>In
"Kerouac" <hm> trying to get the spelling right, I noticed that
the
>only
vowel missing from his name is "I".
Kerouac is missing an eye.
>missing
his i. I think I feel we have his i and
it should beat that
>way. chi-i-kerouac
I not I
no I
If you have his original face (from
before he was born, of course)
please return it to the library.
I think JK was being facetious when he
said "praised be man"...I
really do.
matt
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becca,
I've
had that trouble on occasion myself, I believe it has to do with how the
server's
functioning. Not much anyone cna do
abouot that unfortunately.
Welcome,
I;m rather new here and just to, hopefully, allay you shyness,
everyone
has made me feel very comfortable to be here, even though I jumped
right
in and have had opinions differing from some folks. So dive in, the
waters
fine. <smiles>
Paix,
Sherri
----------
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FIRST_Rebecca LAST_ Last
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 1:53 AM
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Subject: what's going on?
hey
there--
i'm
pretty new to the list, so i think i probably don't have any right to
criticize,
but i'm doing it anyways. my fervent
wish is that everyone takes
this in
the best possible way. now that i've
built it up into something
huge,
here's my question: i've been getting a
lot of duplicate mail. i love
the
list, and duplicate mail wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact
that so
much mail comes from this list without duplications, and i'm missing
other
emails. is anyone else having this
problem? or is there just
something
wrong with my mail?
that's
all there is to the criticism. it
wasn't so bad, now was it?
let me
close by reiterating my fondness for the list-- i think it's great,
i'm
learning a lot and am getting so much out of the conversations, even
though
i'm not actively participating.
eventually i will, when i get over
being
shy.
thanks
for the list and thanks in advance to anyone who decides to address
this
matter for me.
in
friendship,
becca
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:39:05 -0400
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: bad dream
lies
and betrayals
Last
night i dreamt she was lying on top of me, kissing me.
I was suffocating, trying to get up but she
was heavy.
I hate
you, Keenan.
There,
I've said it.
If only
i had seen your true nature before.
You
wear a mask of tranquility
but you
have vampiric tendencies
and a
suspect device.
Instead
of a heart.
You
don't see us
You
don't see us
You
don't see us
We
strike in the dark.
In the
dark well of my room, she knows i'm vulnerable,
and she
pins me down.
In an
inch of dirty water, my face pressed to the cold stone ground,
I
drown, still kicking.
We are
prisoners of our own thoughts,
We are
prisoners of our selves.
--maya
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FIRST_Rebecca
LAST_ Last wrote:
>
>
here's my question: i've been getting a
lot of duplicate mail. i love
>
the list, and duplicate mail wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for
>the
fact
>
that so much mail comes from this list without duplications, and i'm
>missing
>
other emails. is anyone else having
this problem? or is there just
>
something wrong with my mail?
>
that's all there is to the criticism.
it wasn't so bad, now was it?
>
let me close by reiterating my fondness for the list-- i think it's
>great,
>
i'm learning a lot and am getting so much out of the conversations,
>even
>
though i'm not actively participating.
eventually i will, when i get
>over
>
being shy.
>
thanks for the list and thanks in advance to anyone who decides to
>address
>
this matter for me.
>
> in
friendship,
>
>
becca
The
problem you are speaking of, duplicate posts, exists because of the
change
in the way the listserve operates.
Unless you re-direct your post
to
Beat-l, it will automatically go to the person who sent the post you
are
responding to. To avoid that, many
people use the Re:all option on
their
software, which means a copy goes to the beat-l and another copy to
the
individual person whose ideas you responded to. When you read your
mail,
just delete one of the posts. People
who respond by erasing the
individual's
name and inserting Beat-l are the ones from which you only
receive
one list-directed post. I doubt that
you are missing any mail,
but
sometimes someone responds on the list to something that got by
private
e-mail, and thus you have never seen the quote they are
addressing. Sorry this got so long. Hope you understand.
DC
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runner711
spaketh:
>Did
the beats, in general, play games during the process of putting words
>to
paper? Again, I'm new to their
literature and don't know these
>things.
Is this what you mean?
Our laird and processor, William S.
Burroughs, invented (co-invented?)
the process of cut-ups. Basically taking text and cutting it into
strips and sliding the strips of paper up
and down, sliding text from
line to line (hence reading between the
lines?, I've always wondered,
and is this where the term cut-up (as in
clown) comes from?) to find
the "true meaning". It's a terrible amount of fun, especially
using
things like the Bible, Koran, and Hardy
Boys/Nancy Drew mysteries
combined (I discovered that the Hardy
Boys wore cute outfits and
danced all night with their father!).
This is my freshman account of cut-ups,
I'm sure others on the list
can give much depth to my 6th grade
education account. Correct me if
I'm wrong but isn't Naked Lunch the first
cut-up novel?
love and lilies,
matt
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Good
Morning becca,
Another
day starting on the right post. Nice to meet you. Glad you are
planning
to move into our neighborhood.
Joining
us for Visions of Cody for starters?
You Remind me to say thank you again to Bill
Gargan. He started this
baby.
Healthy and growing.
By the
way Bill, what is its birthday?
Lucky
for me no twins here. First time I hear about doubles. Hmmm,
wonder
what's going on with your software. Doubling this list can eat up
your
mail box fast. Hope you solve the problem quickly.
leon
.-
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:15:06 -0400
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The
Kerouac Quarterly Vol. I, No. 2 is in its final editing stage for its
Summer
issue. It can be purchased by sending $2.95 to:
The
Kerouac Quarterly
34
North Rd. #7
Chelmsford,
MA. 01824
Issue
#1 is still available from Water Row Books.
Issue
#2 will have a different format than the first and thus, less costs!
More
pages!
Thanks!
Paul of TKQ
P.S. We
need your submissions for the next issue which will center around
the
release of Some of the Dharma on September 5th. Any essays on Kerouac
and
Buddhism would be a plus! Thanks again. . .
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blurred flies
in his eyes
poor man
incognito like a
multimillionaire
---
yrs
Rinaldo.
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"Thou Shalt Not Kill" by Kenneth
Rexroth
You,
The
hyena with polished face and bow tie,
In the
office of a billion dollar
Corporation
devoted to service;
The
vulture dripping with carrion,
Carefully
and carelessly robed in imported tweeds,
Lecturing
on the Age of Abundance;
The
jackal in the double-breasted gabardine,
Barking
by remote control,
In the
United Nations...
The
Superego in a thousand uniforms,
You,
the finger man of the behemoth,
The
murderer of the young men...
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:36:01 +0200
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http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/soundsource.html
The
Kerouac singing sound is an outtake from the Blues and Haikus session.
The
"meaningless goof" sample is a passage from Visions of Cody called
Neal
and the
Three Stooges. Note how in this passage he says "Neal knows his
name"
rather than "Cody knows his name." Kerouac wrote with using real
names
and changed them later before publication. This recording was made
before
Visions of Cody was published.
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 13:45:41 -0700
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<<hello
freshman!!>>
Matt
writ:
<<
>>In
"Kerouac" <hm> trying to get the spelling right, I noticed that
the
>>only
vowel missing from his name is "I".
Kerouac is missing an eye.
>>missing
his i. I think I feel we have his i and
it should beat that
>>way. chi-i-kerouac
>
> I not I
> no I
>
> If you have his original face (from
before he was born, of course)
> please return it to the library.
>
> I think JK was being facetious when he said
"praised be man"...I
> really do.
>
>>
Well, I
don't know that JK quote or its context.
You'll have school me.
I do know, from my reading of Joyce, that it
is possible to
mathematically
prove that Shakespeare's son was actually Hamet's father
(or
something like that). And according to
the "Ulysses" story, you'll
have to
pepper me with a few pints to get the whole equation out o' me.
Thought
of this 'cause you say <<I not I // no I>> which somewhat
reminds
me of the "to be, or not to be" line from Hamlet. Taking this
charade
along, can it be said that when KEROUAC said "praised be man"
<<hmm>>
maybe he was lamenting the fact that Juliet got the "B" in her
bonnet
and not he. All JK had was a good
ending in "C"
<<hm>>.
wondering
what Kerouac sounded like. Will have to
listen to more of my
"Kick
Joy Darkness" album, I suppose.
Joyce reads nicely. He doesn't
quote
his characters when they are speaking, so you have to slow down
the
reading pace, and decipher what is being <<thought>> and what is
being
<<said>>.
Matt,
you still there? What are you reading
these days?? OR seen any
good
art exhibits recently?? equally
curious.
>> matt
Douglas
<<who has a dog of an unborn face>>
>
>
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am now
dangerously careening down the hillside with HST and the angels,
about
to break out into hoodlem circus/rape at bass lake
in the
midst of brawls and runs and sleeping
in grease (not that these
subjects
don't hold a some what wacky fascination)
anyway,
she said impatiently to her brain get on with it!. ok , found
interesting
passage that taps into many a beat-l think tank or actual flame
tank
wars:
HST:
HELLS ANGELS
to
whatever extent the hell's angels may or may not be latent
sado-masochists
or repressed homosexuals is to me --after nearly a year in
the
constant company of outlaw motorcyclists--almost entirely irrelevant.
there
are literary critics who insist that ernest hemingway was a tortured
queer
and that mark twain wass haunted to he end of his days by a penchant
for
interracial buggery. it is good way to stir up in a tempest in the
academic
quarterlies but it wont change a word of what either man wrote,
nor
alter the impact of their work on the world they were writing about.
perhaps
manolete was a hoof fetiishist, or suffered from terrible hemmhoids
as a
restly of long nights in spanish horn parlors..but he was a great
matador
and it is hard to see how any amount of freudian theorizing can
have
the slightes effect on the reality of the thing he did best.
1)sound
familiar;
2)name
that thread! (or 4 or 5..)
you
will win absolutely nothing.
mc
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Sherri
writ:
>>
waters fine. <smiles>
yes,
and if
the waters _beat_ on you,
high
above your head, well,
ride
the waves instead. :-)))))))))))))
>>
Paix,
>>
Sherri
Douglas
<<everybody beat surfin'... >>
Hi Sherri! Hi Becca!
>
>
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Marie
rode in and spit:
><<
from HELLS ANGELS by HST]]
>for
interracial buggery. it is good way to stir up in a tempest in the
>academic
quarterlies but it wont change a word of what either man wrote,
>nor
alter the impact of their work on the world they were writing about.
>perhaps
manolete was a hoof fetiishist, or suffered from terrible hemmhoids
>as
a restly of long nights in spanish horn parlors..but he was a great
>matador
and it is hard to see how any amount of freudian theorizing can
>have
the slightes effect on the reality of the thing he did best.
>>
All I'm
gonna say is that nobody ever told me in college that Warhol was
gay. same for Robert Rauschenberg and a few
choice others. And besides
sexual
preference, I'm sure I could remember a few other "overlooked"
bits. Such facts might not "change a
word" or "alter the impact"; yet
for
interpretation's (and appreciation's) sake, these <<messy>> tidbits
are
good to know. Sure as hell explains the
Liz Taylor and Judy Garland
fetishes. Sure explains RR's relationship to Jasper
Johns. another
depth
to plow.
and
I'll need to go back and check my "fucking little boys Ginsberg"
beat-archives. but really, this is important information on
a certain
level. Granted, there are many levels and and and
the author is dead
yada
yada. But why not have all the facts
and then discuss what is
relevant?? This is not intended as a flame or anything
like that BTW.
:-)
>>
you will win absolutely nothing.
How
about a free issue of National Conquistador??
>>
mc
cheers,
"badass" Douglas <<a
former Honda moped boy>>
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Read
this in the paper today, thought I'd share it with the rest of
you...
Ross
Porter, host of CBC radio's jazz show, After Hours, on how living
on the
prairies is like being a jazz musician:
*Everyone
thinks you're crazy for doing it.
*Just
when things seem like they can't get any worse, they do.
*Everyone
keeps reminding you how things were better 30 years ago.
*You only
get media attention when something bad happens.
*Upside:
You're always one hour ahead of what's happening on the West
coast.
Adrien
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these
three conclude the thing. =20
>From
FireWalk Thru Madness, copyright December 1992 David B. Rhaesa
Random
Songs.
Dylan
sings Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts -- it sounds
different
than Joan=92s version when she dad to hope that she could know
the
words. =93Two doors down the boys
finally made it through the wall=94
and I
think of Pink Floyd and other walls -- boundaries between us that
seems
like walls, Berlin Walls, Iron Curtains -- between our souls.
Thinking
about the Jack of Hearts makes me think about solitaire by the
River. It was the Iowa River when I started but it
was the River Styx
when
Anne found me to sign the papers.
A
Simple Twist of Fate. =93They sat
together in the Park=94 Lucy and Da=
vid
-- she
made him feel comfortable with open relationships ... =93a little
confused
I remember well=94 I sat under a tree at Washington University
while
she danced inside. His mind danced outside
and the words flowed
from
his pen like they do now on the paper as fast as I can write. In
St.
Louis -- Boyhood home of Burroughs -- =93felt an emptiness inside to
which
he just could not relate=94 when the car spun out of control on
Highway
61 and not a scratch on the car or on me.
=93I was born too late=
=94
he
thinks of Twisting Fate as the harmonica drones.
Lucy=92s
in New Mexico and Clapton sings His confession =93I shot the
sheriff=94
and I never can figure out who did shoot the deputy -- Unsolve=
d
Mysteries
and America=92s Most Wanted. Self
Defense. =93Capital Offense=
=94.=20
Self
Offense. Capital Defense. =93Kill it before it Grows=94. Capital
Defense. Capital Punishment . =93Hang him,=94 they scream in their whit=
e
sheets
and the black man swings innocently from the tree -- Dead for his
innocence. =93Reflexes got the better of me=94.
My
reflexes fear. Put up walls, boundaries
to keep the bottom from
dropping
out. The bottomless pit when I fall
through the wall I called
the
floor of my soul. No grounding. No gravity.
Topsy-Turvy. Crazy.=20
Inside
and Out. =93Just about to Lose My
mind.=94 =93My Momma said I=92=
m
crazy=94.
=20
She
visited me in the hospital and brought me my sister=92s guitar and Da=
n
taught
me Hank Williams=92 songs =93I=92m So Lonesome I could Cry=94 on h=
is Red,
White,
and Blue Buck Owens=92 guitar -- living in the hospital in Saint
Joe on
Tulsa Time in Franciscan living in a difference time zone beyond
time
... temporal dimension ... Interzone ... Naked Lunch ... and all I
wanted
was a Naked Breakfast with Linda my high school sweetheart.
=93Lay
Lady Lay=94 Linda ... Aunt Abby when I was Teddy =93You=92re a Big=
Girl
Now=94
working for the Supreme Court =93and
I=92m just like that bird si=
nging
just
for you.=94 =93I hope that you can hear
me singing through these
tears.=94 And you=92ve moved to Nashville =93I can
make it through.=94 =
I
scream
to myself make it through the walls of my mind.
=93Love
is so simple.=94 I=92m so simple. Simply Complex. =20
=93What=92s
the sense of changing horses.=94
=93I=92m going out of my mi=
nd.=94 =93A
corkscrew
in my heart.=94 And I=92m still sitting
on the Red Couch in th=
e
Salvation
Army and it=92s Halloween and I=92m still there dressed as a
mannequin
for Halloween. I stayed home avoiding
the Ritual.
=93If
you see her say Hello.=94 I send this
to all in San Francisco,
Jerusalem,
=93Tangier.=94 =93She might think
i=92ve forgotten her -- don=
=92t tell
her it
isn=92t so.=94 But I want to call, to
connect. =93She still live=
s
inside
of me.=94 Do I live inside of her? I just want to know that I
still
live there too. I never wanted to own
her or trap her. I just
wanted
her to be happy.
=93Now
I hear her name here and there as I go from town to town=94 and
freeze
up inside and I howl inside and at the yellow moon. =93All went b=
y
so
fast.=94 I wish she=92d find me. Should I tell her I=92m moving? =20
I wish
someone could understand why I loved her.
SCARED
November
1992
He
looked a little like DeNiro in Angel Heart.
No red cape. No horns.=20
Luficer
in human form, surrounded by a fog -- a haze.
As I moved closer
the fog
lifted from his face. His eyes were
Fire Red and lasers shot
from
them cutting through the fog. Face to
Face with Satan -- And I
Wasn=92t
Scared.
Then he
waved his arm and the fog vanished and the cavern was lit by
fire
and in the throne beside him I saw Anne.
Chained to the throne.=20
Cold,
hard manacles connecting her wrists to the chair=92s arms. Another
manacle
around her neck with chains tied to the rungs of the chair
back.
=20
And I
looked at her face. Her eyes were blood
and the smile a devious
demented
smile, an insane smile likes the sounds of laughter that came
from
deep inside her that night at the farmhouse.
The voices that were
not
hers, laughing at me -- Screaming that they had won -- that I was
broken. The laughter I felt pierce through me before
I dove into the
pit in
my mind after her. Trying to protect
her. Save her. The woman
I
loved. And I Wasn=92t Scared.
I
turned to him As I felt the Rage inside me boiling, the Rage of one
who
takes anger inside, keeps it there, learns from it, draws on it -
like a
power source. And my eyes shot lasers
back at him. White
lasers. White light. Cleansing. Love. Energy. =20
And I
started to speak and it was my words but it was like I was
watching
myself. Surprised that these feelings
were coming out.=20
Surprised
at my own power. My own energy. And I told him that I was
connected
to all the Devil=92s Advocates on earth and they cared about me
more
than him. =20
And
then I laughed in his DeNiro-like face and just said: =93You Lose!=94
The
manacles burst open on Anne=92s throne and the expressions on her fac=
e
changed
and I saw the woman I loved. The woman
I married. And I Wasn=92=
t
Scared.
Then
she vanished and he turned back at me and the cavern turned inside
out,
upside down. And I heard his laughter,
Her laughter from the
farmhouse
and I tried to run away but the paths all ended before they
started. Dead-ends.
Trapped. And Anne was free, But
I wasn=92t. And I
Was
Scared.
FRENCH
FATIGUE FANTASY
Je Suis
Fatigue
The
only ine of French I know
So that
if I ever visit France
I can
be tired
And
tell someone.
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Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
>
Patricia writ:
>
>
><<the thing with brian was the best for me too. I saw the show at the
>
>spenser library here in lawrence, I
like his work on ply wood and glass
>
>the best next to the collaboration.
Gyson was one of his most favorite
>
>people and most important artistic influence. I love one of his peices
>
>which was a red door.
> i
am very familiar with his art.>>
>
> I
spent a summer in Lawrence. Both my
cousins went there for school and
> I
just hung out one summer. Very cool
town.
>
> I
also liked that 'light machine' (what was it called?) that twirled
>
around and one was supposed to sit and be hypnotized by it. Then the
>
Robert Rauschenberg piece was good to see.
As was the Basquait piece
>
(the movie had just come out). Still
haven't heard the Kurt
>
Cobain/Burroughs CD. Wish and Wish the
short films would make it TV or
>
video (would love to be able to rent them, easily). For the longest
>
time after that exhibit, I went around trying out my "Burroughs"
voice
> on
all my friends and relative.
<<very fun>>
>
> Of
Burroughs work, I've read about half of Naked Lunch, most of his
>
recent dream book (love his "land of the dead" stories, not being
able
> to
find a good breakfast, etc), and some of the interviews in the Bunker
>
book. There must be more of a
connotation to the "red door" than I am
>
picking up from these scattered literary fragments.
>
>
Anytime you wanna talk art, I'm here!!
>
>
>> p
>
>
>cheers, Douglas
>
>
PS: just about to sign off, when I
remembered, looking up, that I have
>
had a photograph of Burroughs on my office wall for about 2 years now.
>
It's a xerox out of a Vanity Fair article (photo by Annie Leibovitz). A
> prison
sort of photo. artistic criminal. Was good to see the detail
>
and shadow play in the originals.
People always ask me who that "old
>
man" is. I tell them he's my
grandfather, of sorts. Don't think they
>
>really believe me.
patricia
writes
I
absolutly love doing his voice, the low timbre sugared with sacasim,
"well
my dear, don't call the police unless you have some idea of what
they
are most likely to do and if you want them to do that.
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><<patricia
writes
>I
absolutly love doing his voice, the low timbre sugared with sacasim,
>"well
my dear, don't call the police unless you have some idea of what
they
are most likely to do and if you want them to do that.>>
I
wasn't aware you were going to post this to the list, p! No matter.
Don't
know the quote you cite, but I can hear it.
<<Wonderful>> My
favorite
piece to take-off from was his legendary "thanksgiving prayer"
reading. I've forgotten how it goes, but something
like "four score and
seven
years ago, ......., I'd like to thank the indians [pause] for
getting
slaughtered [slight sarcastic pause] by drunken englishmennnn
[that
low timbre you mentioned]..." and then fast into his next line.
<<Wonderful>> It's what makes his Dream book so enjoyable
too. Can
just
see hunchback burroughs trying to find a good breakfast in the LOD:
~~~
"I'd like to thank the cook [pause]
for deserting me [slight pause]
in my deepest hour of
need..." <<laughing
convulsively>>
It was
interesting to read in the Bunker book how upon arriving in New
York,
he began doing readings and was a smash hit.
This apparently shy
man
found his audience and increased his appeal.
The power of the
voice. Loved and saddened by the way Brion dressed
him up then too.
What a
freak! <<my hero>>
>back
to Joyce, Dogulas
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Becca,
Excuse me, but ...I think you're
confused...In no way whatsover have I
participated
in the Nazi thread discussion...have deleted all those with
an
itchy trigger finger as the matter of fact...please aim your line of
fire
somewhere else.
Barb
Becca91894@aol.com
wrote:
>
>
barbara--
>
> I
read your post on the beat list.
although i am new to the list and not
>
necessarily a great thinker, i thought maybe i would throw my ideas at you,
>
since you seemed interested.
>
about censorship: this may be waffling,
i'll just warn you about that now.
> it seems to me that censorship in general is
wrong. and like doug (i think)
>
said, we have to allow viewpoints we disagree with to be heard, or we
>
endanger our own freedoms of speech.
however, when we are discussing nazis,
>
i'm inclined to believe that censorship may have it's place. nazi's are a
>
dangerous group, they regularly kill and destroy people's lives because they
>
are different. i wouldn't say that a
nazi party shouldn't be allowed to form
>
(well, maybe i would, i haven't really thought about it), but allowing a nazi
>
web-site where like-minded individuals can band together from all over is
>
extremely risky. i think we all can
agree that heinous atrocities were
>
commited under nazi leadership, and it seems irresponsible to me that we
>
would help these people come together and create a stronger bond than already
>
exists. after all, one reason hitler
came to power was because the rest of
>
the world thought they should mind their own business and let germany do its
>
thing. i think many things would be
done differently, in retrospect, but
>
since there is nothing we can do about what's already happened, we should
>
learn from our past mistakes and do everything possible to ensure that
>
nothing like the holocaust will ever happen again.
>
> i
hope i haven't been too forward in responding to your post.
>
>
becca
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Penn,
Douglas, K wrote:
>
>
><<patricia writes
>
>I absolutly love doing his voice, the low timbre sugared with sacasim,
>
>"well my dear, don't call the police unless you have some idea of what
>
they are most likely to do and if you want them to do that.>>
>
> I
wasn't aware you were going to post this to the list, p! No matter.
>
Don't know the quote you cite, but I can hear it. <<Wonderful>>
My
>
favorite piece to take-off from was his legendary "thanksgiving
prayer"
>
reading. I've forgotten how it goes,
but something like "four score and
>
seven years ago, ......., I'd like to thank the indians [pause] for
>
getting slaughtered [slight sarcastic pause] by drunken englishmennnn
>
[that low timbre you mentioned]..." and then fast into his next line.
>
<<Wonderful>> It's what
makes his Dream book so enjoyable too.
Can
>
just see hunchback burroughs trying to find a good breakfast in the LOD:
>
>
~~~ "I'd like to thank the cook [pause]
> for deserting me [slight pause]
> in my deepest hour of
need..." <<laughing
convulsively>>
>
> It
was interesting to read in the Bunker book how upon arriving in New
>
York, he began doing readings and was a smash hit. This apparently shy
>
man found his audience and increased his appeal. The power of the
>
voice. Loved and saddened by the way
Brion dressed him up then too.
>
What a freak! <<my hero>>
>
>
>back to Joyce, Dogulas
patricia
writes
i
forgot, i try to repost most of the stuff to to beat-l and should of
checked
with you, sorry. I wish there was more
discussion of the beat
related
arts, gyson being a good one to start with, i really love the
work of
his that i have seen. but don't know much about the man except
he is
gone. The "don't call the police" is a parapharase, i am terrible
about
being exact.
p
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:57:25 -0600
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Hello
folks,
I've
noticed a lot of posts having mail difficulties-either getting
or
recieving posts-me too. Ironically, my net provider sent this post
out
earlier in the day; I'm not sure if any of this info is helpful
or not
so here goes:
Subject:
Update
Date:
Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:57:40-0500 (CDT)
From:
gods@bitstream.net
To:
Stand666
Hello,
There
are still a few people who are not getting our
daily
messages. This is a holdover from our mail server
switchover
and should not be the case very soon.
We are
still having some trouble with USWEST concerning
connection
quality issues from some locations. The modem
pool
and mail server are working great--the people
having
problems are mainly but not exclusivly in the 822
exchange.
USWEST claims they are fixing it, but we should
all
keep harassing them until it is so. Please see the
bsu.announce
newsgroup for more info.
We will
be closed tomorrow July 4th, and Saturday July 5th.
Thanks
for your support.
Michael
Bitsteam
Underground, Inc.
http://www.bitstream.net gods@bitstream.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:19:04 -0400
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update
Comments:
To: Marioka7@aol.com
i'll go
for voc as well. i haven't read it but
have meant to-- maybe this
will
kick my butt into gear and i'll get it finished.
here's
hoping
becca
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hi
douglas! now i really feel like part of
the list--somebody wrote my name
for all
to see.... <sniff> i'm so
touched!!
heeheeheehee
becca
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sherri--
thanks
so much. everybody has been friendly
and encouraging so far, so i'm
starting
to feel more comfortable, if maybe a little intimidated by the
knowledge
circulating around here. :) that'll
just give me more reason to
expand
my beat library, right? thanks for the
welcome. i'm sure you will
hear
more from me as time goes on.
becca
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update
ok
gotta get out and buy voc... haven't read it yet either... that'll make 16
bboks i
got goin now.... help i'm drowning in a
sea of words!!!
gasping,
sherri
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i'll go
for voc as well. i haven't read it but
have meant to-- maybe this
will
kick my butt into gear and i'll get it finished.
here's
hoping
becca
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At 6:20
PM -0700 7/3/97, FIRST_Rebecca LAST_ Last wrote:
>
heeheeheehee
the
trick, I'm told, is to figure out how this relates to some sort of beat
technology. any quote unquote beat work. this will keep the snails happy
and us
permission to roam somewhat free. I
guess. not a creative writing
class
but an empassioned discourse. <ahem,
an brief example>::
trigger
trigger
I think
he got me in the liver
pork
chop ad hoch
burroughs
ate his dinner
he shot
a door
bled it
read
spoke
about a river
arabesques
in bed
little
boys
with
marks upon their face
hanging
faciciously
their
anus' a shout
for
propriety
Start
the chase!!
run
becca, run!
the
beats will get you!!
run to
the bookstore becca
run
run... <<ah, fuck this!>>
<<ahhhhhhh!!!,
[[eaten by a snail]]
well....,
I tried...>> :-)
>
becca
cheers,
Douglas
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ let the man come thru
stand
up, and let the man come thru
let the man come thru
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:57:32 -0700
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Marie
Countryman wrote:
>
> am
now dangerously careening down the hillside with HST and the angels,
>
about to break out into hoodlem circus/rape at bass lake
> in
the midst of brawls and runs and sleeping in grease (not that these
>
subjects don't hold a some what wacky fascination)
>
anyway, she said impatiently to her brain get on with it!. ok , found
>
interesting passage that taps into many a beat-l think tank or actual
>
flame tank wars:
>
HST: HELLS ANGELS
> to
whatever extent the hell's angels may or may not be latent
>
sado-masochists or repressed homosexuals is to me --after nearly a year
>in
the constant company of outlaw motorcyclists--almost entirely
>irrelevant.
there are literary critics who insist that ernest hemingway
>was
a tortured queer and that mark twain wass haunted to he end of his
>days
by a penchant for interracial buggery. it is good way to stir up in
>a
tempest in the academic quarterlies but it wont change a word of what
>either
man wrote, nor alter the impact of their work on the world they
>were
writing about. perhaps manolete was a hoof fetiishist, or suffered
>from
terrible hemmhoids as a restly of long nights in spanish horn
>parlors..but
he was a great matador and it is hard to see how any amount
>of
freudian theorizing can have the slightes effect on the reality of
>the
thing he did best.
>
1)sound familiar;
>
2)name that thread! (or 4 or 5..)
>
you will win absolutely nothing.
> mc
Ah,
shit, I wanted to win something. But, does it have an impact on the
reality
of what we do best? Some of us careen
wildy down the hill with
the
hell's angels. Some of us read about
it. Some of us write about it.
Some of
us theorize about it. I live therefore
I am. I write therefore
I
am. I think therefore I am. Some of us create life out of fiction and
fiction
out of life. Some of us want to write
the biography or perhaps,
obituary,
of the first guy that tells a hell's angel he's a repressed
homosexual.
DC
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:38:10 -0700
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Marie--
I have
to send you my "Freewheeling Frank".
I had forgotten that HST
also covers
a Bass Lake rally as does Frank. You
will love the
parallels.
I'll
reread my HST's book which I have pretty much forgotten and let you
borrow
Franks. Nice
"inside--outside" comparison.
James
Stauffer
Marie
Countryman wrote:
>
> am
now dangerously careening down the hillside with HST and the angels,
>
about to break out into hoodlem circus/rape at bass lake
> in
the midst of brawls and runs and
sleeping in grease (not that these
>
subjects don't hold a some what wacky fascination)
>
anyway, she said impatiently to her brain get on with it!. ok , found
>
interesting passage that taps into many a beat-l think tank or actual flame
>
tank wars:
>
HST: HELLS ANGELS
> to
whatever extent the hell's angels may or may not be latent
> sado-masochists
or repressed homosexuals is to me --after nearly a year in
>
the constant company of outlaw motorcyclists--almost entirely irrelevant.
>
there are literary critics who insist that ernest hemingway was a tortured
>
queer and that mark twain wass haunted to he end of his days by a penchant
>
for interracial buggery. it is good way to stir up in a tempest in the
>
academic quarterlies but it wont change a word of what either man wrote,
>
nor alter the impact of their work on the world they were writing about.
>
perhaps manolete was a hoof fetiishist, or suffered from terrible hemmhoids
> as
a restly of long nights in spanish horn parlors..but he was a great
>
matador and it is hard to see how any amount of freudian theorizing can
>
have the slightes effect on the reality of the thing he did best.
>
1)sound familiar;
>
2)name that thread! (or 4 or 5..)
>
you will win absolutely nothing.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:59:32 -0700
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OK, like a good boy I have started my Visions of
Cody assignment
(though
I think I have to throw in HST's Angel book with the other
things
I am simultaneously reading.)
Getting
myself into the rythm of VOC--enjoying Jacks high cholesterol
dinner
reminsicences. Struck by his mention of
Al Collins on the radio
as Jack
and "Tom" are driving around. (p. 13 or my McGraw Hill
paperback).
Al "Jazbo" Collins is still doing
his "Purple Grotto" bit,currently
heard
in the SF area on KCSM-FM in San Mateo.
Don't know if it is
syndicated
or strictly local. Friday or Saturday night if memory
serves. I remember hearing Jazbo on alternative FM
in LA during the
60's in
the Phil Donohue, B. Mitchell Reed
era. Seemed a flash from
the
past at the time but hadn't realized he went back to the late
forties.
Have a
good Independence Day everyone and take a toke for those of us
who
will be working anyway.
J.
Stauffer
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:05:07 -0700
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I'm
still not sure how to phrase. this I'm
not sure. the exact meaning.
How to
beat? got to thinking about the term
"beat technology"
sitting
on my toilet, amusing myself. flipping
thru my "20th Century
Photography
-- Museum Ludwig Cologne" book.
had another image first, then
sitting
down to scan the image, came upon another [see link to .gif below].
see
page 610, Eberhard Schrammen.
Following
the following like to see his "Untitled (self-portrait)" (1930).
gelatin
silver print, stencil photogram 23.8 x 17.9 cm
<<hm,
how is this beat??>>
<<hm??>>
Here's
what the text says:
> Schrammen remained active as an
artist, painter,
. graphic artist, and writer. There is little evidence
. of his written work
So give
me evidence of the complete beat! Well,
<<ahem>>, an example of
beat
technology: snails, gods, beets,
carrots, beetles, chickenheads, and
original
crispies ((all invited to snap crackle and pop)) Beat as it
survives
today. still don't know what that
means <<damn>>. and am still
not
sure how to even phrase the question <<double damn>>. God help me
<<yes?>>.
Any
suggestions?? <<and p. no
gunshots thru doors will be accepted!>>
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/images/Schrammen.gif
Douglas <<fireworks, homemade ice cream, good
friends = weekend>>
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:00:17 -0400
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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>
Subject: Germs
came
into life
like a
puzzled panther
waiting
to be caged
but
something stood in the way
i was
never...quite...
tamed
--------------the
Germs
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:03:59 -0400
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Subject: correction
came
into this world
like a
puzzled panther
waiting
to be caged
but
something stood in the way
I was
never
quite...
tamed...
-------the
Germs
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:34:49 -0700
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At
11:03 PM -0700 7/3/97, Maya Gorton wrote:
>
came into this world
>
like a puzzled panther
>
waiting to be caged
>
but something stood in the way
> I
was never
>
quite...
>
tamed...
>
-------the Germs
yep. you must be a "badass" too!? something just doesn't fit
outside
in
ah you
were looking scuttled
outside
in
We already know you're ugly!
but do
you know I'm joking, I'm joking!!]]
yours,
Douglas
<<
running
running
burning
bright
>>
from
Jack Kerouac "angel mine"
Angel mine be you fine
Angel divine
Angel milk what's your ilk
Angel bilk
Angel cash Angel Smash
Angel hash
from
Pomes All Sizes
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ let the man come thru
stand
up, and let the man come thru
let the man come thru
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:19:40 UT
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From: Sherri <love_singing@MSN.COM>
Subject: Scattered Poems
from
Lucien Midnight JK 1957
Dying is ecstasy,
I'm not a teacher, not a
Sage,
not a Roshi, not a
writer
or master or even
a
giggling dharma bum I'm
my
mother's son & my mother
is the
universe --
What is the universe
but alot of waves [was jack reading
And a craving desire about physics?]
is a wave
Belonging to a wave
in a world of waves
So why put any down
wave?
Come on wave, WAVE!
The
heehaw's dobbin
spring hoho
Is a sad lonely yurk
for your love
Wave lover
And
what is God?
The
unspeakable, the untellable...
...No,
-- what is God?
The
impossible, the impeachable
Unimpeachable
Prezi-dent
of the
Pepsodent Universe
But
with no body & no brain
no
business and no tie
no
candle and no high
no wise
and no smart guy
no
nothing, no no-nothing,
no
anything, no-word, yes-word,
everything, anything, God,
the guy that ain't a guy,
the thing that can't be
and can
and is
and isn't...
How I
wish I could have put it so eloquently....
Bon
niut mes amies,
Sherri
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:08:08 -0400
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douglas:
in
addition to sexual preference:
there
have been long discussions of what i call
the jack and the bottle - and all speculation
related to that. monday
morning
quarterbacking in a way, years later.
my take
on this (and you can insert any other behavior to it)
he
drank.
and he
wrote.
i dont
think he wrote because he drank;
i dont
think he drank because he wrote;
i think
he wrote because he HAD to, was writing for years as child and
never
stopped.
he may
have started drinking to ease self in social situations (akward and
shy) or
to medicate away the pain of his sensitivity and depressions.
but
imho,
all
speculation about what he coulda been if he didnt drink is all moot to me.
('i couldda be a contendor! (brando on the
waterfront) and all that.
speaking
of HST/motorcycles/bad boys/legends and real life: watching the
wild
bunch while i strip down my bicycle, wearing my 'colors' on this day.
mc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:08:17 -0400
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it
seems that the votes are for Cody. as i am hip deep in gonzo land, but
wanting
to be part of the discussion,
i plan
for the VOC thread to compare some passages from romantic JK re:
cassady's
chilhood with passages from FIRST THIRD by cassady. should be
fun, at
least will maybe stir up some interest in more folks to read of
neal's
childhood from neal himself. living on the denver equivalent of skid
row
with drunken father, traumatic childhood to say the least. i think it
gives
good insight into how much can be changed in a novel from the reality
(or, at
best, the memories of neal
vs JK's
romanticizing.) it's really all theory and what you want to read
into
things, but instructive and interesting never the less. and oh,
by the way, this reading is being played out
with HST parallel process:
between
the much more journalistic hells angels
in comparison to the wild
novel/gonzo
journalism of F&L in LV. i am pretty sure that the letters will
bear me
out on this, just got to get to them.
off to
join the wild bunch today.
mc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:08:22 -0400
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in that
category i think one must see bob kaufman as the compleat beat as well:
he
threw himself on car hoods, declaimng poems and poetic manifesto . he
wrote
his pomes with no plan for publishing them. many still exist solely
because
friends would follow him, picking up pomes written on cocktail
napkins
and the like...he was busted many times, (reminscent of lenny
bruce)
and targeted by 'authorities' -socrates also comes to mind: gadfly
of the
beats to the absolute end..
he
spent countless days and nights in prison for his total devotion to
anarchy
and true poetry. small quote from AG from intro to cranial guitair:
'he
wasn't just political, he was metaphysical, psychological, surreealist,
and
enlightened in extending his care into the whold society of poetry,
seeing
that as the revolution..."
mc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:51:00 -0400
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From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
Subject: independence day
For
three days the neighborhood has been sounding with bombs and whistles,
sirens
of fire trucks, machine-gun retorting firecracker strings, all day,
all
night, like a war, no cease-fire, like Beirut. Every two minutes a big
jet
soars away from SeaTac, carrying people on holidays like torpedoes
launching
from submarines, on target.
And
evening comes on the third of July and the town is shutting down. You can
hear
it. You can feel it. Everyone is gone somewhere. In ice chests
watermelons
chill alongside beer and the sun stays up in the sky to stare
into
people's windows, causing a breeze to run around it like a puppy looking
for a
tussle, tossing up bamboo shades, weak ramparts against the unrelenting
horizontal
rays of this star made of fire.
No cars
on the streets... people walk right down the middle of the avenues,
some
drinking from brown paper bags, others sweating in uniforms dying to get
home to
have one day off, one lousy extra day off, for any reason at all.
Previously
unheard bird calls issue forth from bushes, these birds now
willing
to speak because they don't have to compete with cell phones and car
horns
and beepers. Little children's voices are the only sounds of human
life,
except the echoing of a basketball hard and hollow hitting the concrete
driveway
over and over and over and over goddamit shoot goddamit... god.
Small
planes, float planes, planes dragging signs through the thick blue air,
revving
like lawnmower looking for clouds to trim, fly east to west, west to
east,
at right angles to the jets where passengers hear, "This is the captain
speaking...
if you'll look out the window to your left, you'll see Puget
Sound
and the Olympic Mountains. And not to be outdone, to the right you'll
see the
Cascades and Bill Gates' fortress on the shores of Medina, right here
in the
Emerald City..."
It
feels like I'm the only one left in town, although I know that isn't true,
but
it's something I've always dreamed about, so it's okay with me. I'm
amazed
at the quiet. I don't know when was the last time this town was so
still.
I'm thinking about Central Washington, 100 degrees as usual, and this
little
breeze... over there this breeze can whip a firecracker in the grass
into a
wildfire before you can even get the garden hose turned on. I'm so
glad to
be here, not in that place which is truly next door to hell, where
the
smell of sulfur dominates chicken barbecuing on the grill and the heat
makes
you sit in the kiddies' pool without shame, where borate bombers drop
their
puny cargo with the efficacy of a wad shot into a condom, then drone on
back to
base camp for another load of blood-red dust and lots of summer
overtime
pay for the pilot.
5 a.m.
on the 4th of July and I wake up to those birds; I hadn't even noticed
when
they stopped singing. Now the sun breaks red over the ridge in the east,
still
staring through jet streams but cool and bright, a joker setting this
town up
for this day of uncertain weather. In a few minutes the jets will
start
up again, firecrackers will accompany breakfast, flags will be
unfurled,
maybe it'll start raining. Will I ponder the nature of freedom or
eat
potato salad?
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 15:05:58 UT
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Subject: Re: summer reading update: HST and JK
while
jack may have been romaticizing, let us never forget that human memory
is
incredibly subjective and that much is played through the filter of who we
are ane
what we have done/become over time. i
think neal's version would be
(haven't
had a chance to read it yet) even more interesting for the insight
into
hwo he views himself, in addition to who he really is.
thanks
for reminding me that i need to "First Third".
ciao,
sherri
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 1997 5:08 AM
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Subject: Re: summer reading update: HST and JK
it
seems that the votes are for Cody. as i am hip deep in gonzo land, but
wanting
to be part of the discussion,
i plan
for the VOC thread to compare some passages from romantic JK re:
cassady's
chilhood with passages from FIRST THIRD by cassady. should be
fun, at
least will maybe stir up some interest in more folks to read of
neal's
childhood from neal himself. living on the denver equivalent of skid
row
with drunken father, traumatic childhood to say the least. i think it
gives
good insight into how much can be changed in a novel from the reality
(or, at
best, the memories of neal
vs JK's
romanticizing.) it's really all theory and what you want to read
into
things, but instructive and interesting never the less. and oh,
by the way, this reading is being played out
with HST parallel process:
between
the much more journalistic hells angels
in comparison to the wild
novel/gonzo
journalism of F&L in LV. i am pretty sure that the letters will
bear me
out on this, just got to get to them.
off to
join the wild bunch today.
mc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:01:46 -0400
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>while
jack may have been romaticizing, let us never forget that human memory
>is
incredibly subjective and that much is played through the filter of who we
>are
ane what we have done/become over time.
i think neal's version would be
>(haven't
had a chance to read it yet) even more interesting for the insight
>into
hwo he views himself, in addition to who he really is.
__________
i didnt
forget: and i quote
i think it
gives
good insight into how much can be changed in a novel from the reality
(or, at
best, the memories of neal
vs JK's
romanticizing.)
the
reality is not first third, but of neal's memories which make up the
first
third.
reality
vs romancizing *or* human memory.
i
constantly question reality as much as i question my perceptions/memories
from
the reality.
and
then i get hung up wondrin'
what is
reality? probably no more than a perception of an event action or
being
on the part of the beholder.
so in
doing this comparison there are always 3 particpants: the memorybabe
romantic
jack; the life as a work of art itself neal; and the reader.
(my
last career and what i face daily these days have everything to do with
memory
from academic experiments to psychotherapy.)
,mc
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At 5:08
AM -0700 7/4/97, Marie Countryman wrote:
>
but imho,
>
all speculation about what he coulda been if he didnt drink is all moot
>to
me.
> ('i couldda be a contendor! (brando on the
waterfront) and all that.
>
speaking of HST/motorcycles/bad boys/legends and real life: watching the
>
wild bunch while i strip down my bicycle, wearing my 'colors' on this day.
Today
is my blood father's birthday. such a
50 generations man. love of
family,
love of wild hares and practical jokes, and in the past -- the
drink. Mum seperated from him at my early age (2),
and we've just gotten
back in
contact with each other, so I have yet to ask him, "hey paw, could
you
have been a conquistador??"
and as
one who has dabbled in a better life through chemicals, I would hope
that
what you suppose about needing to write is true. yes, writing is
true. but there is no denying the color and
half-back tone of the drink
(or
what not) there as well.
[[there
can be no denial of the truth]] -- a yoko ono marathon, a yoko ono
marathon,
a yoko ono marathon, a yoko ono marathon, a yoko ono marathon
[[the
sound in me head this morning quoting my friend diana and her siren
songs]]
sometimes
I think my whole family is medicated.
all of us running from the
bulls. does Michael Jordan just drink
Gatorade? ah questions about da
drink. if the man intends on remaining an island,
often times the only
recourse
is to drink himself to land?? an
isthmus of peace and
tranquility?? If anything, I must say that da drink only
irritates the
mind,
and very occassionally the reader. With
that said, and my own
patience
exploded, it's time for my coffee (or perhaps orange juice) today.
happy
4th!, > mc
cheers,
Douglas <<preparing my run to
Lala country>>
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ let the man come thru
stand
up, and let the man come thru
let the man come thru
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:14:15 -0700
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James
Stauffer wrote:
>
>
OK, like a good boy I have started my
Visions of Cody assignment
>
(though I think I have to throw in HST's Angel book with the other
>
things I am simultaneously reading.)
>
>
Getting myself into the rythm of VOC--enjoying Jacks high cholesterol
>
dinner reminsicences. Struck by his
mention of Al Collins on the radio
> as
Jack and "Tom" are driving around. (p. 13 or my McGraw Hill
>
paperback).
>
> Al "Jazbo" Collins is still doing
his "Purple Grotto" bit,currently
>
heard in the SF area on KCSM-FM in San
Mateo. Don't know if it is
>
syndicated or strictly local. Friday or Saturday night if memory
>
serves. I remember hearing Jazbo on
alternative FM in LA during the
>
60's in the Phil Donohue, B. Mitchell
Reed era. Seemed a flash from
>
the past at the time but hadn't realized he went back to the late
>
forties.
>
>
Have a good Independence Day everyone and take a toke for those of us
>
who will be working anyway.
>
> J.
Stauffer
Will
add my notes & queries on the first twenty or so pages to yours.
Things
that particularly struck me (page #'s seem to correspond to
your's.
pg.
8--"and thinking 'Good thing I have my Proust--in case I should ever
follow
him all the way which is apparantly Paradise Alley over on the
river
they'd see not only how beat my copy is but that I seriously carry
it
around because I'm really reading it, really bemused in the streets
with it
like they'd be'--really a scholar, hip mystic..."
My
copies of Proust, sit, unread, something I was always going to do,
never
did, can anyone expound in a paragraph or so on Proust's style of
writing. Also have rememberances here of Ginsberg, if
I remember it
correctly,
"who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in Paradise
Alley,
death, or purgatoried their torsos night after night..."
pg. 10
"When
I see a leaf fall, I always say goodbye--And that has a sound which
is lost
unless there is country stillness at which time I'm sure it
really
rattles the earth, like ants in orchestras..."
pg
16-18--where he talks about the immensity of reflection in window,
people
and daily goings on reflected, cars reflected, seeing parts of
things
that are there--distorted by wall of glass--("I know now that
paranoia
is the vision of what's happening and psychosis is the
hallucinated
vision of what's happening, that paranoia is reality, that
paranoia
is the content of things, that paranoia's never satisfied.")
pg.
25--George Handy's "The Blues,"--"--'though there's joy in our
souls
(bop
interlude) we are nothing but shits and we'll all die and eat shit
in our
graves and are dying now..' Pretty powerful talk!"
DC
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At
02:00 AM 7/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>came
into life
Isn't
it: I came into this world?
>like
a puzzled panther
>waiting
to be caged
>but
something stood in the way
>i
was never...quite...
>tamed
>--------------the
Germs
>
>
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At
02:03 AM 7/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>came
into this world
Oh,
I read
the first one first, and replied before your correction.
Anyhow,
if
you're even talking about darby you'd better hide your beer.
>like
a puzzled panther
>waiting
to be caged
>but
something stood in the way
>I
was never
>quite...
>tamed...
>-------the
Germs
>
>
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Subject: Re: FW: Visions of Cody JK speaks
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Rinaldo
writ;
>
>http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/soundsource.html
>
>
>
>The Kerouac singing sound is an outtake from the Blues and Haikus session.
thanx
for posting this. especially enjoyed
hearing:
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/RRE2.au
I
imagined his voice different. and that
cool jazz in the background
scrunches
against my perceived memory. it's such
an even voice, almost
without
inflection. Am gonna have to hear
more. <<Rhino!!>>
cheers,
Douglas
http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ let the man come thru
stand
up, and let the man come thru
let the man come thru
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:39:40 -0700
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Marie
Countryman wrote:
>
> I
didnt forget: and i quote
> i think it
>
gives good insight into how much can be changed in a novel from the
>reality
>
(or, at best, the memories of neal
> vs
JK's romanticizing.)
>
the reality is not first third, but of neal's memories which make up
>the
>
first third.
>
reality vs romancizing *or* human memory.
> i
constantly question reality as much as i question my
>perceptions/memories
>
from the reality.
>
and then i get hung up wondrin'
>
what is reality? probably no more than a perception of an event action
>or
>
being on the part of the beholder.
> so
in doing this comparison there are always 3 particpants: the
>memorybabe
>
romantic jack; the life as a work of art itself neal; and the reader.
>
(my last career and what i face daily these days have everything to do with
>
memory from academic experiments to psychotherapy.)
>
,mc
Your
perceptions of this seem pretty 'right on to me.' Reality can be no
more
than "a perception of an event or action on the part of the
beholder." We often tried to grasp hold of something
and say, "see, here
is
reality, look at it. But it doesn't work. There are always several
realities
at play, one for each participant. Jack's romantic reality,
Neil's
reality tempered by experience, and the reality of the reader.
And in
discussing VOC, we all bring together each of our different
realities
as readers. Intriguing, isn't it?
DC
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DC,
kudos to you for succintly putting my gropings into sharp and clear words:
"There
are always several
realities
at play, one for each participant. Jack's romantic reality,
Neil's
reality tempered by experience, and the reality of the reader."
mc
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Subject: Bruce Cockburn
from
Bruce's 1984 album "Stealing Fire"
Maybe
the Poet
maybe
the poet is gay
but
he'll be heard anyway
maybe
the poet is drugged
but he
won't stay under the rug
maybe
the voice of the spirit
in
which case you'd better here it
maybe
he's a woman
who can
touch you where you're human
male
female slave or free
peaceful
or disorderly
maybe
you and he will not agree
but you
need him to show you new ways to see
don't
let the system fool you
all it
wants to do is rule you
pay
attention to the poet
you
need him and you know it
put him
up against the wall
shoot
him up with pentothal
shoot
him up with lead
you
won't call back what's been said
put him
in the ground
but one
day you'll look around
there'll
be a face you don't know
voicing
thoughts you've heard before
male
female slave or free
peaceful
or disorderly
maybe
you and he will not agree
but you
need him to show you new ways to see
don't
let the system fool you
all it
wants to do is rule you
pay
attention to the poet
you
need him and you know it
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From: Sherri <love_singing@MSN.COM>
Subject: More Bruce
from
the same album, one of my faves...
Sahara
Gold
dance
music from the corner bar
over
dogs barking at a passing car
and
your hair tumbles down like sahara gold
hot
night streets are full of life
carnival
faces in rembrandt light
and
your hair tumbles down like sahara gold
half
moon shining though the blind
paints
a vision of a different kind
and
your hair tumbles down like sahara gold
wet
limbs striped with silver light
locked
together at the center of the night
and
your hair tumbles down like sahara gold
night
bloom fillin up the room
with
the salt and musk of lovers' rich perfume
and
your hair tumbles down like sahara gold
animal
grins and wild shining eyes -
laughing
and shouting we're a hundred storeys high
and
your hair tumbles down like sahara gold
just
happen to like this song/poem... maybe
someday i'll get brave enough to
post
some of my own pitiful poetry...
ciao,
sherri
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yeah, i
think reality is only the moment, nothing more, nothing less, it's all
here
and now, no past no future, all one...
who know's what's really
happened,
or if anything's happened...? i get
caught in this cycle all the
time.
ciao,
sherri
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Subject: Re: summer reading update: HST and JK
>while
jack may have been romaticizing, let us never forget that human memory
>is
incredibly subjective and that much is played through the filter of who we
>are
ane what we have done/become over time.
i think neal's version would be
>(haven't
had a chance to read it yet) even more interesting for the insight
>into
hwo he views himself, in addition to who he really is.
__________
i didnt
forget: and i quote
i think it
gives
good insight into how much can be changed in a novel from the reality
(or, at
best, the memories of neal
vs JK's
romanticizing.)
the
reality is not first third, but of neal's memories which make up the
first
third.
reality
vs romancizing *or* human memory.
i
constantly question reality as much as i question my perceptions/memories
from
the reality.
and
then i get hung up wondrin'
what is
reality? probably no more than a perception of an event action or
being
on the part of the beholder.
so in
doing this comparison there are always 3 particpants: the memorybabe
romantic
jack; the life as a work of art itself neal; and the reader.
(my
last career and what i face daily these days have everything to do with
memory
from academic experiments to psychotherapy.)
,mc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 13:39:26 -0400
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Subject: the meaning of...
Reply
to message from country@SOVER.NET of Fri, 04 Jul
>
>in
that category i think one must see bob kaufman as the compleat beat as well:
>he
threw himself on car hoods, declaimng poems and poetic manifesto . he
>wrote
his pomes with no plan for publishing them. many still exist solely
>because
friends would follow him, picking up pomes written on cocktail
>napkins
and the like...he was busted many times, (reminscent of lenny
>bruce)
and targeted by 'authorities' -socrates also comes to mind:
and so
on...what caught my attention was the line, "he wrote his poems with
no plan
for publishing them." A few years
ago (okay, two) I took a course
at my
college called "The Moral
Positions of Poetry," in which we
discussed
poetry & its meaning, its purpose, its obligation to society, if
it had any
at all. And one day our conversation
was over this: if you
write a
poem, but don't publish it, don't let anyone else read it, can it
really
be a poem? If the words are written
down but then never read, can
it
really be a work of art? Isn't there an
obligation to let your work be
heard
once it's been written? Which consequently leads to thoughts of who
makes
the poem, the writer writing the words on paper with their feelings &
emotions,
or the reader who reads the words and adds new feelings &
emotions? Is a poem really a poem if it's not
read? Kind of like the
question
about the tree in the woods...
Okay,
my head hurts. Happy fourth of July;
going to my friends soon with a
gallon
of OJ & a bottle of sloe gin...let the fireworks begin! :)
Diane.
(H, as opposed to C or D)
--
Life is
weird. Remember to brush your teeth.
--Heidi
A. Emhoff
ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu
Diane M. Homza
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Diane....still
existing in unbeknownst pockets of civilization are those
thrilled
by the Fourth of July... people haven't abandoned our
town..it's
alive with sparkle of excitement....kids booming with
energy..the
picnics and parties and swimming...the adults happy..glad to
live in
this country. And when the jets zoom
overhead..or when I get a
glimpse
of the ungainly stealth... I think....YEAH! I like my country,
the
people here...and am grateful to the men and women and taxpayers who
are
willing to sacrifice for it. My son
painted the American
flag....three
red stripes and a splatter of blue in the corner. It's
hanging
on my fridge. I love it. That flag
gives you the right...to
express
your contempt for your country and fellow Americans. I,
however,
on this particular day, would like to say how damn,
dingle-dangle
lucky I am to live here, and raise children here, and be a
part of
something I can take pride in ...and change if I see a need.
Barbara
Cheers for those who keep our freedom
alive...and those who died
creating
it.
Diane
De Rooy wrote:
>
>
For three days the neighborhood has been sounding with bombs and whistles,
>
sirens of fire trucks, machine-gun retorting firecracker strings, all day,
>
all night, like a war, no cease-fire, like Beirut. Every two minutes a big
>
jet soars away from SeaTac, carrying people on holidays like torpedoes
>
launching from submarines, on target.
>
>
And evening comes on the third of July and the town is shutting down. You can
>
hear it. You can feel it. Everyone is gone somewhere. In ice chests
>
watermelons chill alongside beer and the sun stays up in the sky to stare
>
into people's windows, causing a breeze to run around it like a puppy looking
>
for a tussle, tossing up bamboo shades, weak ramparts against the unrelenting
>
horizontal rays of this star made of fire.
>
> No
cars on the streets... people walk right down the middle of the avenues,
>
some drinking from brown paper bags, others sweating in uniforms dying to get
>
home to have one day off, one lousy extra day off, for any reason at all.
>
Previously unheard bird calls issue forth from bushes, these birds now
>
willing to speak because they don't have to compete with cell phones and car
>
horns and beepers. Little children's voices are the only sounds of human
>
life, except the echoing of a basketball hard and hollow hitting the concrete
>
driveway over and over and over and over goddamit shoot goddamit... god.
>
>
Small planes, float planes, planes dragging signs through the thick blue air,
>
revving like lawnmower looking for clouds to trim, fly east to west, west to
>
east, at right angles to the jets where passengers hear, "This is the
captain
>
speaking... if you'll look out the window to your left, you'll see Puget
>
Sound and the Olympic Mountains. And not to be outdone, to the right you'll
>
see the Cascades and Bill Gates' fortress on the shores of Medina, right here
> in
the Emerald City..."
>
> It
feels like I'm the only one left in town, although I know that isn't true,
>
but it's something I've always dreamed about, so it's okay with me. I'm
>
amazed at the quiet. I don't know when was the last time this town was so
>
still. I'm thinking about Central Washington, 100 degrees as usual, and this
>
little breeze... over there this breeze can whip a firecracker in the grass
>
into a wildfire before you can even get the garden hose turned on. I'm so
>
glad to be here, not in that place which is truly next door to hell, where
>
the smell of sulfur dominates chicken barbecuing on the grill and the heat
>
makes you sit in the kiddies' pool without shame, where borate bombers drop
>
their puny cargo with the efficacy of a wad shot into a condom, then drone on
>
back to base camp for another load of blood-red dust and lots of summer
>
overtime pay for the pilot.
>
> 5
a.m. on the 4th of July and I wake up to those birds; I hadn't even noticed
>
when they stopped singing. Now the sun breaks red over the ridge in the east,
>
still staring through jet streams but cool and bright, a joker setting this
>
town up for this day of uncertain weather. In a few minutes the jets will
>
start up again, firecrackers will accompany breakfast, flags will be
>
unfurled, maybe it'll start raining. Will I ponder the nature of freedom or
>
eat potato salad?
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Diane
M. Homza wrote:
> A
few years ago (okay, two) I took a course
> at
my college called "The Moral
Positions of Poetry," in which we
>
discussed poetry & its meaning, its purpose, its obligation to society, if
> it
had any at all. And one day our
conversation was over this: if you
>
write a poem, but don't publish it, don't let anyone else read it, can it
>
really be a poem? If the words are
written down but then never read, can
> it
really be a work of art? Isn't there an
obligation to let your work be
> heard
once it's been written? Which consequently leads to thoughts of who
>
makes the poem, the writer writing the words on paper with their feelings &
>
emotions, or the reader who reads the words and adds new feelings &
>
emotions? Is a poem really a poem if
it's not read? Kind of like the
>
question about the tree in the woods...
>
>
Diane. (H, as opposed to C or D)
Diane:
If you
write it and it means something to you, then it is different from
the
tree in the forest because you hear the poem.
The tree in the
forest
is heard by no one. There are poets who
never get published,
even
when they want to be. There are poets
who get published that never
should
be. So, it is the intent of the
creator, isn't it?
Then
again, maybe it is only a poem if it receives the American Poetry
Society
Seal of Authentic Poetry and is approved by both Newt Gingrich
and
Jesse Helms. Then it is real poetry.
Or
maybe only if it has been condemned to death by a reviewer at the New
York
Times.
Or maybe
only if David takes it on a Firewalk and it comes back
unsinged.
Or
maybe only if WSB uses it for target practice.
Or
maybe only if HST finds it to be gonzo.
BTW,
speaking of HST, to those who have never read HST, the closing
portion
of Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail contains some straght
ahead
writing about politics. It is one of
the finest sociological
essays
I have seen written. It is not gonzo,
but brilliant and
insightful.
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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heard
that Bentz. art is an experience. so even if it only occurs in one's
head,
it's experienced... that's enough for it to exist.
ciao,
sherri
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 1997 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: the meaning of...
Diane
M. Homza wrote:
> A
few years ago (okay, two) I took a course
> at
my college called "The Moral
Positions of Poetry," in which we
>
discussed poetry & its meaning, its purpose, its obligation to society, if
> it
had any at all. And one day our
conversation was over this: if you
>
write a poem, but don't publish it, don't let anyone else read it, can it
>
really be a poem? If the words are
written down but then never read, can
> it
really be a work of art? Isn't there an
obligation to let your work be
>
heard once it's been written? Which consequently leads to thoughts of who
>
makes the poem, the writer writing the words on paper with their feelings &
>
emotions, or the reader who reads the words and adds new feelings &
>
emotions? Is a poem really a poem if
it's not read? Kind of like the
>
question about the tree in the woods...
>
>
Diane. (H, as opposed to C or D)
Diane:
If you
write it and it means something to you, then it is different from
the
tree in the forest because you hear the poem.
The tree in the
forest
is heard by no one. There are poets who
never get published,
even
when they want to be. There are poets
who get published that never
should
be. So, it is the intent of the
creator, isn't it?
Then
again, maybe it is only a poem if it receives the American Poetry
Society
Seal of Authentic Poetry and is approved by both Newt Gingrich
and
Jesse Helms. Then it is real poetry.
Or
maybe only if it has been condemned to death by a reviewer at the New
York
Times.
Or
maybe only if David takes it on a Firewalk and it comes back
unsinged.
Or
maybe only if WSB uses it for target practice.
Or
maybe only if HST finds it to be gonzo.
BTW,
speaking of HST, to those who have never read HST, the closing
portion
of Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail contains some straght
ahead
writing about politics. It is one of
the finest sociological
essays
I have seen written. It is not gonzo,
but brilliant and
insightful.
Peace,
--
Bentz
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:13:05 +0000
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Hi all,
Birdie
here...new to the list.
Is there
an archive of posts? a faq?
Has
anyone seen "The Last Time I Committed Suicide" ~ about a few months
in the
life of Neal Cassady during the 50's in Colorado? Heard it did
well at
The Sundance Film Festival and it has gotten a very good review
in The
LA Weekly.
Also, I
may have missed posts about all this, but I've heard there is to
be a
film made of JK's "On The Road". Anyone know who is directing,
writing,
producing, starring in?
Stay
cool!
Cheers
then,
Birdie
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 21:01:17 -0500
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Hey,
Halftime
of WNBA so i'll take a moment to type a bit.
I have
diligently read a few pages in Cody several times now. Each time
i come
back to it i end up starting over. Each
time i begin and end in
the
same fog. Maybe that's what it is
supposed to be - but maybe i'm
missing
something b/c i ain't as familiar with the larger context of all
of this
as so many of y'all.
i guess
the question that creates the fog in all of this is i have no
sense
of what is going on. it seems like JK
is lost in memory in
several
different cases - and maybe that is why i have no sense of place
or time
or any real sense of (dare i say) Reality.
it
isn't that i'm not alright with the a-reality of memory experience
but i'm
having one of those fears that i'm missing something that i need
to
recall later. i remember having this
feeling long ago the first time
i ever
read anything by JK.
so if
there is something more concrete than snapshots of memory and
longing
for connection with Cody in the first few pages somebody let me
in on
what's happening. if not, i'll just
plunge forward soon -
probably
not until the morning.
unrelated,
i'm gradually and slowly in a meandering style beginning a
retrospective
five years after the firewalk writings.
so far the
protagonist
is a bathroom that is becoming My bathroom in a particular
apartment
named #23. the title of the entire
project is "Salina" and it
begins
with epigrams by JK, WSB, and Kenneth Burke.
FireWalk was a mad
fit of
typing into and out of insanities i'd been in and out of for
several
years. Salina is, so far, an attempt to
employ creativity to
return
from chaos. The container called
bathroom is the focal point of
return. From this temple only time will tell how
many rooms and blocks
away
the tale will roam.
hope
everyone enjoyed their independence from King George and
subservience
to Bubba and Newt today.
david rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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David:
Jesse
Helms is the J Edgar Hoover of the 90's.
I don't know about his
preference
for evening wear, but he has more power that Newt or Bubba
Bill. I didn't do it, and if I did, it was only
once. Ask yourself,
would
this country be half as amusing if Day Quayle was president? No
way. Long live Bubba.
And
now, we have TAXATION DESPITE REPRESENTATION!!!!!!!
Thank
God for that!
>From
the Book of Dreams: pg 121
WRITING
DREAMS, TAKE NOTE OF THE WAY THE
DREAMING
MIND CREATES
THE
ANNALS OF JACK KEROUAC--Annals indeed--anal ones--the Mind wished
and
dream'd itself a spate of San Jose where I'm taken to the parking
lot of
work at a location I hadnt daydreamed, (word daydreamed
underlined)
on that road leading North from Santa Clara towards the yard
office
and the airport--and because I'm not drinking or smoking tea my
mind is
very clear and I'm very friendly and direct with everyone and
play
with the kids with a spirit of serenity etc.
Well, I
think I'll get me an Anal Kerouac Beer.
Aged since 1969.
Eternal
in its refreshing qualities and no more than a dime in US
currency. Get yours before the orgones are gones.
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:43:34 -0700
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marie--
Plaudits
on far and away the best analysis of
Jack, the Bottle and
assorted
dopes.
J
Stauffer
Marie
Countryman wrote:
> he
drank.
>
and he wrote.
> i
dont think he wrote because he drank;
> i
dont think he drank because he wrote;
> i
think he wrote because he HAD to, was writing for years as child and
>
never stopped.
> he
may have started drinking to ease self in social situations (akward and
>
shy) or to medicate away the pain of his sensitivity and depressions.
>
but imho,
>
all speculation about what he coulda been if he didnt drink is all moot to me.
> ('i couldda be a contendor! (brando on the
waterfront) and all that.
>
speaking of HST/motorcycles/bad boys/legends and real life: watching the
>
wild bunch while i strip down my bicycle, wearing my 'colors' on this day.
> mc