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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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Boy, these people sure are beatin' up on you buddy!  You hit a nerve, I

think.  My own take is that it never hurts to be willing to question

oneself, and since I don't consider myself spokesman for my generation,

particularly, I feel free to question them, too...amen to you, Brother,

for bravery!  Carry on!

 

Don Lee

Fayetteville, Ark.

 

"Only the shallow know themselves."

                        --Oscar Wilde

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:42:50 -0500

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From:         Tyson Ouellette <Tyson_Ouellette@UMIT.MAINE.EDU>

Organization: University of Maine

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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>How dare you attack my idealism? And you know what, our idealism is

>working. I feel sorry for people like you.

>If you aren't part of the solution,you're part of the problem, so keep

>you

>mouth shut if you have nothing worthwhile to say. (I'm guessing that you

>are one of those people that likes to blame everybody for everything

>except yourself...grow up)

 

     um.. methinks i smell a misunderstanding.  maybe my brevity and

manner of phrasing gave a false impression of what i was suggesting.  i

applaud the fact that you're helping those kids, and i wouldn't try to

deter you from it.  hey, i love kids myself, and i hang around with

them and do what i can for them.  my comment wasn't directed at your

idealism, i was only using your comment as a reference point in this

discussion.  i sincerely apologize if my intentions seemed otherwise.

     i do, however, disagree with your solution/problem theory.  and

your suggestion about having something worthwhile to say.. when people

say that they usually mean if you're not part of my agenda, and don't

have anything to say that promotes my interests, then shutup.  ALL

things are worthwhile, a person can learn something from anything if he

cultivates even the slighest amount of insight... and so, even the

remarks of a seeming asshole like myself can be beneficial.

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:54:09 -0500

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From:         Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Ferlinghetti article

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Hi...I havent been reading this list the last two weeks, but when I read

this article on Ferlinghetti this morning, I thought I'd post it and

start a thread.

 

Ferlinghetti's sentiments seem to be that there is no revolutionary

spirit anymore, that much of the Beat spirit has been lost and that we

are now (as much or more than in the 50's) a society of conformity.  He

also is quoted as saying the beats were "just a phase of dissident

literature".  That we are in need of a new revolution.  He seems to imply

that this generation may be lacking in either the spirit, incentive or

ideas for a revolution.

 

The article points out that the City Lights fall catalog includes a lot

of Latin American authors, and other international authors, seemingly

because there isnt enough "revolutionary" literature being written these

days in this country.

 

Is Larry right?  Maybe the current re-surgence of interest in the Beats

is simple nostalgia for days that have gone by, for old revolutions and

old glory days.  For old soldiers who are now finally dying off. Accepting

this thesis, what then is the relevanceof beat

writing and/or beat philosophy in current times, when we are seemingly

permanently drawn into a world of materialism and conformity?

 

The social problems that sparked earlier revolutions arent as apparent

anymore.  There is still racism, sexism et al...there is even still

censorship...but much of it is underground or closeted.

 

If the Beats were just a "dissident phase" and the resurgence

"nostalgia", how do we relate these writings and authors to modern times?

 

Do we need another revolution?

 

 

Richard W. (rwallner@capaccess.org)

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:45:36 -0500

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From:         Tyson Ouellette <Tyson_Ouellette@UMIT.MAINE.EDU>

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Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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>Babble, babble, babble!

>We were all born too late for somethings, too early for others.

>Isn't there a chat room for tortured Gen X'rs to go to to moan about

>their mistimed births? Or some other list: Angst-L, Po Me Born too

>Late-L, Would Jack have had Pierced Nipples-L . . .

 

   haha! rotflmao.. agreement.. seems like that gen-x mistimed birth

garbage is just an excuse for dissatisfaction and an inability to cope.

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:52:09 -0600

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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>      one of the main problems with our generation is its strangle hold

> on idealism.  it's disgusting the way we cling to bullshit

> brainwashings like environmentalism, and "making the world a better

> place," and all of the smarmy shit you can see any given day on any

> american college campus.  like, puke me now.

 

 

Especially when it's all sponsored by Exxon and Wal-Mart...

 

Don

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:52:34 -0800

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Glad You are with us Richard

 

In good humor:

Signed: The Clique  (Are we ready to laugh at ourselves or what):

leon

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:59:06 -0600

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

Comments: To: Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

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Dear Nancy,

 

You seem to be someone who is doing a lot of good work and changing

people's lives in real & lasting way.  No one with any goddamn sense would

criticize that work.  However, and I'm sure you would agree with me, a

general critique of the Status Quo is much an essential plank of the Beat

mentality as anything, and probably in fact is the most important plank

(IMHO).  So in the name of peace (thinking here of the incessant boring

public flaming over the Kerouac Estate recently), doncha think these young

cats are just carrying the ol' Kerouac/Thoreau dissident torch?

 

Namaste,

 

Don Lee

Fayetteville, Ark.

 

"Only the shallow know themselves."

                        --Oscar Wilde

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:59:00 -0500

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     jeese... what did i do?  coud somon pease remofe my foot fwom my

mouf.

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:06:28 -0500

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>(IMHO).  So in the name of peace (thinking here of the incessant boring

>public flaming over the Kerouac Estate recently), doncha think these

>young

>cats are just carrying the ol' Kerouac/Thoreau dissident torch?

 

   thank you, friend, that's what i was attempting.  thanks for having

the words in your mouth to say what i obviously didn't manage to get

out of my own... i think i need a nap.

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:13:38 -0600

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ferlinghetti article

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On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Richard Wallner wrote:

 

> Ferlinghetti's sentiments seem to be that there is no revolutionary

> spirit anymore, that much of the Beat spirit has been lost and that we

> are now (as much or more than in the 50's) a society of conformity.

 

I really wonder.  I just turned 35 over the weekend, and it seems to me

that the pressure to conform just picks up as you get older, to the point

where you finally start to question your own resistance to putting on a

tie and going in to punch the ol' clock.  Even though I clearly remember

going 1/2 insane doing that just a few years ago.  I went back to college

to get out of that rut, and am now about to graduate and go back into it,

I guess, unless somebody has a better suggestion.

 

> Is Larry right?  Maybe the current re-surgence of interest in the Beats

> is simple nostalgia for days that have gone by, for old revolutions and

> old glory days.  For old soldiers who are now finally dying off.

 

I betcha nothing is ever "just" anything, so it's not "simple nostalgia."

Granted that has to be a big part of it, but still--the Beats were trying

really hard to avoid getting sucked into the Materialistic Post WWII

Eisenhower brainsuck weltanschaaung.  Nowadays we have the

post-Reagan/Bush credit card fatalism, our most recent youth movement

(cleverly co-opted and marketed by Babylon, it never really stood a

chance) the grunge Gen Xers already a thing of the past...Michel Foucault

talks about the Critique of Resistance, in which he says:  Resist.  Even

if you know it'll never work, resist.  Winning is not even the issue.

Resist the Power Grid.  And if you come to think that the Grid even

accomodates resistance (by marketing it on MTV), then do like the

Surrealists did, and resist in ways that make no f**kin' sense...like

Sisyphus and the Rock.  As Camus said, We Must Imagine Sisyphus Happy.  So

just don't give in...

 

>Do we need another Revolution?

 

The Revolution must come inside yr own head.  Cast Off Your Old Tired

Ethics.  Be a Crazy Dumbsaint of the Mind.

 

"Hearken, amigos, to the olden message:  it's neither what you think it

is, nor what you think it isn't, but an elder matter, uncompounded and

clear--"

        --Kerouac, VISIONS OF GERARD

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:18:47 -0500

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

In a message dated 97-11-04 12:35:46 EST, you write:

 

<<  And you know what, our idealism is

 working. I dare you to go to the second grade classroom where I work and >>

 

and what do you mean "our?"

i believe i'd be considered with those among generation x fame, and i don't

feel idealistic or a need to get up and "save the world"

i only ask for a moment to catch a glance of the sky before it rains--all

pregnant and swollen, a cup of coffee and a menthol cigarette. what else is

there?

~~marlene

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:37:01 -0500

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      we have a chat room!

 

dear listees,

awhile ago someone posted all the beat web pages and so forth, along with

that came the connection to the beat generation chat room. since then i've

peeped my head in to see if any of you go there. i'm sad to report i haven't

seen a single soul. is it that no ones know how to get there, or that no one

on the list likes chatrooms. i love our e-mailing list, but i'd like to chat

with fellow beat lovers and scholars. so, if someone would be kind enough to

post that link again, i'd really appreciate it. and if you all hate

chatrooms, just let me know and i'll quit whining. Take it easy.

 

~~Marlene

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:20:11 -0500

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From:         Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Nancy B Brodsky wrote:

 

> I resent the fact that you seem to be discounting my generation. You can't

> possibly know what its like for us unless you are us. How old are you

> anyway?

>

 

I'm 21 years old, a senior majoring in American Studies struggling to find

a competent answer to "Is there something unique about America? If so,

what?" that is the big Final Essay Question In The Sky for anyone involved

with American Studies.  I think Modernism and post-modernism has the

potential to be a very crucial and defining time in American history.

Post-modernism is very shaky and doesn't have a name because there isn't

anything unifying about it to give it a name, much like, I feel, this

generation as the demographic is the first to spend its entire life in

the post-modern era. I don't like including myself under the label

because, like post-modernism, it doesn't mean or denote anything.

 

> > What I mean is that I don't see this generation as particularly unique (as

> > a whole I mean).  This is the first one to come of age completely in the

> > trench of post-modernism (which is in itself unique), but as the

> > post-modern world is unique, there is difficulty finding a way of dealing

> > with it.  The hippies, the beatniks, the beats, the lost generation had

> > specific and logical ways to deal with the world as it presented itself at

> > that time.  Post-modernism has led to such a mish-mash of culture and

> > ideas, looking to the past as a reaction to the anxious present in an

> > attempt to understand everything that has become and is becoming of

> > culture and society there is not _distinct_ way in which this generation

> > has come upon to deal with and understand this era.  I'm not saying there

> > aren't a lot of worthwhile people and things happening (although I wonder

> > sometimes when I look around), I'm just saying that has yet a particular

> > reaction or distinguishing characteristic to emerge.  I do, however, see

> > great potential as American culture has just in this century become

> > distinguishable (or begun to be distinguishable) from European culture and

> > traditions.  Once post-modernism becomes something that can be understood

> > in about 20 or 30 years, it may be an incredibly important time in

> > cultural history.  I think that American culture since the turn of the

> > century will become quite important to bring about that coalescence and

> > the Beats in particular are a pivitol point in that development.

 

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Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:46:24 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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ok all you pikers posers weasels and whiners

i have consulted with my alter personality, who in another life was a

therapist.

half of you should walk as weirdly as possible to monty python's arguement

clinic do not wait a moment, asap mon cheris!

the rest go stand and rot in the verbal abuse clinic.

there now.

any one with newly diagnosed prostrate problems?

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:05:29 +0100

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From:         jean-ory <jean-ory@ALTRANET.FR>

Subject:      Naropa Inst and Allen G.

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A tribute to Allen Ginsberg  at :

 

http://www.naropa.edu/ginsberg.html

 

Cheers

 

Jean

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:41:32 +0000

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From:         randy royal <randyr@MAILHUB.JAXNET.COM>

Subject:      usatoday ferlinghetti article

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sorry if this was already mentioned, but there is a article in

usatoday on the web  if you do not have it in paper @

http://www.usatoday.com/life/dcovtue.htm

they mention the otr movie in there as well....

enjoy

randy

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:09:11 -0600

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From:         Michael Skau <mskau@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>

Subject:      buk tapes

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Adrien (and any other buk fans:

Facets Multimedia Inc. (1517 West Fullerton Ave., Chicago, IL 60614; 312

281-9075) lists the _Charles Bukowski Tapes_ (1987; 240 min.) as available

for purchase: "It's a gem . . . an outrageously stimulating and unnerving

all-night drinking session with a gutter eloquent barroom philosopher who

has made his sould your own. . . . One of the most intimate, revelatory

and unsparing glimpses any film or video has ever given us of a writer's

life and personality," raved Michael Wilmington in _The Los Angeles

Times_. Directed by Barbet Schroeder (_Barfly_), a 4-hour video portrait

of the renegade poet of contemporary literature.

Now comes the bad news: purchase price--$100.

Cordially,

Mike Skau

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:18:22 -0700

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From:         Jorgiana S Jake <jorgiana@U.ARIZONA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: buk tapes

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Wanted to let you all know (although many of you probably already

know!)...I was at the used record store, oops, used CD store...sorry.

COOL Buk CD, $25, with a great cover...the Budweiser label transposed to

say "Bukowski"...anyone seen or heard it?  Should I invest (poor college

student, y'know).

 

Jorgiana

 

 

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Michael Skau wrote:

 

> Adrien (and any other buk fans:

> Facets Multimedia Inc. (1517 West Fullerton Ave., Chicago, IL 60614; 312

> 281-9075) lists the _Charles Bukowski Tapes_ (1987; 240 min.) as available

> for purchase: "It's a gem . . . an outrageously stimulating and unnerving

> all-night drinking session with a gutter eloquent barroom philosopher who

> has made his sould your own. . . . One of the most intimate, revelatory

> and unsparing glimpses any film or video has ever given us of a writer's

> life and personality," raved Michael Wilmington in _The Los Angeles

> Times_. Directed by Barbet Schroeder (_Barfly_), a 4-hour video portrait

> of the renegade poet of contemporary literature.

> Now comes the bad news: purchase price--$100.

> Cordially,

> Mike Skau

>

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:19:48 -0700

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From:         Jorgiana S Jake <jorgiana@U.ARIZONA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: buk tapes

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Sorry, my bad...shoulda included this in last message from bothersome

me...maybe we should chip in, buy it, then copy the hell out of it for all

those of us on this list who are interested.  Seems brilliant to me...

 

Jorgiana

 

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Michael Skau wrote:

 

> Adrien (and any other buk fans:

> Facets Multimedia Inc. (1517 West Fullerton Ave., Chicago, IL 60614; 312

> 281-9075) lists the _Charles Bukowski Tapes_ (1987; 240 min.) as available

> for purchase: "It's a gem . . . an outrageously stimulating and unnerving

> all-night drinking session with a gutter eloquent barroom philosopher who

> has made his sould your own. . . . One of the most intimate, revelatory

> and unsparing glimpses any film or video has ever given us of a writer's

> life and personality," raved Michael Wilmington in _The Los Angeles

> Times_. Directed by Barbet Schroeder (_Barfly_), a 4-hour video portrait

> of the renegade poet of contemporary literature.

> Now comes the bad news: purchase price--$100.

> Cordially,

> Mike Skau

>

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:24:06 -0800

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From:         Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>

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Michael Skau wrote:

>

> Adrien (and any other buk fans:

> Facets Multimedia Inc. (1517 West Fullerton Ave., Chicago, IL 60614; 312

> 281-9075) lists the _Charles Bukowski Tapes_ (1987; 240 min.) as available

> for purchase: "It's a gem . . . an outrageously stimulating and unnerving

> all-night drinking session with a gutter eloquent barroom philosopher who

> has made his sould your own. . . . One of the most intimate, revelatory

> and unsparing glimpses any film or video has ever given us of a writer's

> life and personality," raved Michael Wilmington in _The Los Angeles

> Times_. Directed by Barbet Schroeder (_Barfly_), a 4-hour video portrait

> of the renegade poet of contemporary literature.

> Now comes the bad news: purchase price--$100.

> Cordially,

> Mike Skau

 

Well, hang on there a sec...

 

The reason I posted the question is because the Sundance Channel is

showing the entire four hours on Nov. 28 and 30. Fortunately for myself

I can see it via satellite dish, hopefully some of you down south have

access on cable...I don't know about the availability of Sundance around

the States.

 

I did some internet searching a short while ago and found out that tv

stations in France used the short interview segments with Buk as a

sign-off, instead of playing the national anthem like we do in North

America. Now that's respect!

 

Adrien

 

ps for anyone who does have Sundance channel, Nov. 28 is a big day full

of great beat films...I got ahold of some info on what they're showing:

 

Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg, The

 

Directed by Jerry Aaronson

Distributed by First Run Features

1993

Director Jerry Aronson's portrait of Beat poetry's legendary

grandfather, Allen Ginsberg, traces the writer's life through its many

diverse stages, including his years as a Columbia University student, to

a counterculture legend, to a hippie, to a Buddhist. Included are

interviews with those people best qualified to comment: Norman Mailer,

William Burroughs, Joan Baez and Dr. Timothy Leary. NR (adult content,

adult language)

 

Poet On the Lower East Side, A: a DocudiaryOn Allen Ginsberg

 

Directed by Gyula Gazdag

Distributed by Gyula Gazdag

1996

 

Favorably received at the 1996 Venice Film Festival, director Gyula

Gazdag's documentary presents four uncensored days with the late poet,

Allen Ginsberg, as he meanders around New York City answering questions,

reading poetry and making observations about life as he goes about his

daily routines. TV14 (adult content, adult language, brief nudity)

(1:36)

 

Last Beat Movie, The

 

Directed by Renee Tajima-pena

Distributed by Showtime Networks Inc.

 

In this Sundance Channel Original Documentary, director Renee

Tajima-Pena, whose My America (or Honk If You Love Buddha) won the

Sundance Festival's Cinematography Award, travels across America seeking

the people, influences and ""on-the-road"" spirit of the Beat

Generation. TBD (adult content) (:30)

 

Charles Bukowski Tapes, The

 

Directed by Barbet Schroeder

Distributed by Circle Associates, Ltd.

1985

 

An unhurried chat with Charles Bukowski reveals his views and his world.

In this extended interview, split into fifty-two segments, Bukowski

drinks, smokes, talks about bars, cities, art, the human condition and

everything else. Barbet Schroeder directed this 1985 film. TV14 (adult

content, adult language, mild violence) (4:00)

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From:         Sad Enigma <Sadenigma@AOL.COM>

Subject:      empty streets and ancient coughs

 

hi, i'm new to the list and stuff.  i'm 18 and i've never had a real job and

i never plan on getting one.  i never plan on anything really.  i make movies

when i can and that's occcupational i guess.   and i just thought i'd say  hi

and a small introduction of sorts,   have a nice night and a happy halloween

 

 

  <3

 

          chad

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      generation x

 

Hey, does anyone know where I can find the generation x list?

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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You call this an argument.   Why, you haven't been arguing at all.

 

Marie Countryman wrote:

 

> ok all you pikers posers weasels and whiners

> i have consulted with my alter personality, who in another life was a

> therapist.

> half of you should walk as weirdly as possible to monty python's arguement

> clinic do not wait a moment, asap mon cheris!

> the rest go stand and rot in the verbal abuse clinic.

> there now.

> any one with newly diagnosed prostrate problems?

 

 

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Subject:      Every 20 years

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Well, it is interesting.  Every 20 years it comes around again.  In

the 70's it was 50's music.  In the 80's it was 60's and now disco,

70's is the fad.  Hmmmm, think what it will be like next time when

they get the 80's around again.  Or what about in the next when they

look back to the 90's for the cool stuff.  You are making it now.  It

is hard to see the big picture. " Right here right now, there is no

other place I'd rather be.  Right here right now. "

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: empty streets and ancient coughs

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On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Sad Enigma wrote:

 

> hi, i'm new to the list and stuff.  i'm 18 and i've never had a real job and

> i never plan on getting one.  i never plan on anything really.  i make movies

> when i can and that's occcupational i guess.   and i just thought i'd say  hi

> and a small introduction of sorts,   have a nice night and a happy halloween

>

Sounds to me you're practicing Be Here Now stuff, plus well hell I can

only applaud your opposition to "real" jobs.  To heck w/ 'em...

 

Make movies!  You seen "Pull My Daisy"?  Kerouac narrates.  check it out!

 

Don Lee

Fayetteville, Ark.

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      generation x

 

Those of you who are new to the list might like to know that the

"generation x" topic has surfaced several times on the list over the

last two years.  If the responses seem a little intemperate, it's

probably because those discussions got a bit out of hand.  While it's

fine to compare generation x and the beat generation, we wouldn't want

the discussion to stray too far from the scope of the list.

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

 

> You call this an argument.   Why, you haven't been arguing at all.

>

 

This reminds me of the Humpty Dumpty conversation in ALICE.  Don't know

why.  Gotta look it up...

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject:      The Plymell site

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http://www.fto.de/fthp/gassner/jk_mesdd2.html

 

That is the site that Charles wanted to see if someone could translate.

If I can figure out what has Charles mentioned in it, I will post it

later.  This is the url.  If you can read this language, please

translate the paragraph that mentions Charles Plymell and either send it

to him, post it here, or send it to me and I will send it to Charles.

Thanks.

 

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Subject:      the italian judge

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hello.  i am new to this list, and i come now with a

specific intention.

my name is james donahue, and i am a graduate student

in english at boston college, where i also teach a

section of freshman writing seminar.  i am structuring

an assignment using kerouacs 'letter to an italian

judge' (goode blonde and others).  in this letter (for

those who may not know), kerouac responds/replies to a

certain judge censuring his novel, 'the

subterraneans.'  what i am looking for is something

from the judge - a transcript, copy, report,

summation, paraphrasing, etc.  in other words,

anything that will serve as a go-between from the

novel to kerouacs response.

i thank in advance anyone who may be able to help.

responses can be sent to the list, or i can be replied

to directly at donahujl@moa.bc.edu or

jadonahu@lynx.dac.neu.edu (both systems are case

sensitive).

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From:         James Donahue <donahujl@BC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: generation x

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i dont know much about the discussion on this point,

but ill make it brief.  (hell, i am new here.)

i wouldnt compare the two generations.  i think thats

because isee generation x, and i dont see a point.  i

just taught a week on this topic - generation x

- (freshman writing at boston college), and the conclusion

was that generation x is directionless as in without a

purpose, as opposed to directionless as a response to

coventional notions of direction.  who knows, maybe a

few decades will change that (or at least a view of

that - i know from experience that scholars can argue

a cause or "point" for anything).

in other words, i dont see why a big fuss should be

made, all movements are similar, all are different.

jim donahue

 

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Bill Gargan wrote:

 

> Those of you who are new to the list might like to know that the

> "generation x" topic has surfaced several times on the list over the

> last two years.  If the responses seem a little intemperate, it's

> probably because those discussions got a bit out of hand.  While it's

> fine to compare generation x and the beat generation, we wouldn't want

> the discussion to stray too far from the scope of the list.

>

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Subject:      Well, I found Plymell

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I finally found Charles and on the off chance that someone can and will

translate, I copied the article/column from that point on down.  It

appears to be an interview or something with THE MAN.

 

____________________ Begin something here __________________________

 

Ein weiteres Glanzst|ck des Stvrer Nr. 13 - ein Essay von Franz Dobler

|ber Social Beat.

(Nachdruck einer Sendung vom SWF, Okt. 95.) Dobler verhehlt nicht seine

Sympathien f|r die

Social-Beat-Bewegung: "Klingt doch ganz spannend - und das ist es auch."

Dobler sieht aber auch

die Gefahren: "Was ich hier positiv sehe, weist aber auch schon auf die

Klippe hin - hinter der die

kunstlose Sprache zur naiven wird, die Alltagsbeschreibung zur

langweilligen, die Dichterarbeit zum

Freizeitvertrieb, und der politische Protest zum Geschrei, an dem nichts

als ein Bier zuviel schuld ist.

Ja, ich hebe nachdenklich den Zeigefinger und verweise auf ein Interview

mit Charles Plymell, wo er

sagt, da_ Kuhscheisse an den Stiefeln nicht unbedingt besser ist als ein

Harward-Studium, wenn es

um das Schreiben guter Literatur geht. Und dieser Plymell hatte mehr

Kuhschei_e an den Stiefeln als

alle amerikanischen Beat-Autoren zusammen." Hier kann ich mich Franz

Dobler nur anschlie_en.

Andererseits verfolge ich die hiesige Literaturszene intensiv seit |ber

drei Jahren und mu_ zugeben,

da_ viele der Underground-Schreiber sich rasant entwickelt haben - was

das Literarische und den

Stil angeht. Und wo man noch vor drei Jahren schrie:

Bukowski-Apologeten! hdlt man heutzutage

sein dummes Maul. Manch ein Text von Tuberkel Knuppertz zum Beispiel

w|rde auch dem

Altmeister Hank die Schamrvte ins Gesicht treiben.

 

Dobler schneidet auch die wichtigste Folge des Booms der alternativen

Literaturszene an: "Was

hei_t, da_ die marktwirtschafliche Kontrollfunktion durch 'richtige'

Verlage au_er Kraft gesetzt ist.

Und genau das soll es auch hei_en." Genau! Und jetzt meine Bitte an euch

alle: Unterst|tzen wir

doch diese gro_artige Szene, die sich hier unabhdngig von den Propheten

der Langweile entwickelt.

Wenn jeder von uns drei, vier der Szenezeitschriften aboniert, w|rde die

Sache wie geschmiert

laufen. Viele der Zeitungen kommen sowieso nur einmal pro halbes Jahr

heraus und kosten weniger

als zwei Kugeln Eis bei Marchi. Au_erdem nimmst du beim Lesen nicht zu

und tust etwas Gutes.

(Na, ja, ich kenne schon Leute, die eine Kiste Pralinen brauchen, um

sich durch eine Seite

durchzukdmpfen.)

 

Und noch eine Zeitschrift m|_t ihr unbedingt kennenlernen: Auf Oliver

Bopps Cocksucker, meinem

Lieblingsmedieum, steht der Untertitel: Zeitung f|r

Undergroundliteratur. Und Cocksucker ist

tatsdchlich reiner Underground Bukowskischer Prdgung - Vorsicht KULT!

Ich habe die Nr. 7

(September, 1993) noch bei Biby Wintjes bestellt, quasi zum

Reinschnuppern, und habe mich in die

Zeitung gleich verknallt - eine platonische Liebe selbstverstdndlich.

Doch drin fand ich das pralle

Leben! Abooooo! Seitdem flattert mir jede drei, und jetzt jede vier

Monate die Zeitung mit dem

Glanzcover ins Haus. Unverge_lich Ollis Intros. Wie er zum Beispiel im

Heft 9 mit der

selbstgerechten Linken abrechnete (LINKS! Zwo, drei, vier...): "Gestehen

wir uns ein, da_ die Welt

sich f|r ein System entschieden hat, welches den Menschen

charakterisiert. Setzen wir also zundchst

am Menschen an und nicht am System." Macht sie nicht Freude, diese klare

Sprache? Ein so

gro_artiger Gedanke und einfach gesagt. Das Intro endete mit: "Was den

Sexismus angeht, so

werde ich meine Ndchte auch in Zukunft nicht mit |berfl|ssigen

Diskussionen |ber das

Wenn und Aber verplempern, sondern bumsen, was das Zeug hdlt. Wenn ich

am Morgen

danach ein Schamhaar auf meiner Zunge finde, dann ist mir das lieber als

ein Barthaar -

ein ganz langes." Als ich den Text zu Ende las, dachte ich mir gleich,

diesem Typen mu_ ich meine

Storys schicken. Was ich in diesem Zusammnehang interessant finde: Die

meisten Frauen stvren sich

|berhaupt nicht daran, da_ uns diese wunderschvnen Dinger so gut

gefallen: Die Beine, die Br|ste,

die wunderbaren runden Drsche und vor allem die... na, ja, die lasse ich

jetzt aus - heute hab ich

Friederike schon genug gedrgert. Immer stvren sich vor allem

irgendwelche Mdnner an unserem

Sexismus. Unldngst las ich in einer kleinen Schriftstellerrunde meine

Geschichte Sommertage. Nach

der Lesung sagt Max Blaeulich, ein Redakteur von Literatur und Kritik:

"Das war die

frauenfeindlichste Geschichte, die ich je gehvrt habe." (Max hatte

vorher in der Runde seinen Text

|ber irgendeine Knopffabrik gelesen, na, ja...) Ich erzdhlte spdter

diese Geschichte bei einem

Poetry-Slam in M|nchen, wo ich anschlie_end Sommertage noch mal zum

besten gab. Sabine

Zaplin, eine Jurorin und Journalistin, sagte in ihrem Kritikbeitrag:

"Das war die charmanteste

frauenfeindliche Geschichte, die ich je gehvrt habe." Den Slam habe ich

dann nat|rlich gewonnen.

Diese Begebenheit mvchte ich irgendwannmal zu einer Story verheizen, und

so kann ich euch jetzt

nicht verraten, da_ ich damals in der Literaten-Runde einen kleinen

Kreislaufkolaps erlitt - nach

einem unmd_igen Kaffeekonsum (ca 25 Tassen). Selbstverstdndlich nahm der

gute Max an, ich

sei wegen seiner Kritik umgekippt. So komme ich hier in Deutschland zu

meinem

Schriftstellerruf. Seit meiner Begegnung mit Max druckt |brigens

Literatur und Kritik nichts mehr

von mir: Meine Texte seien den Redakteuren zu larmoyant. Aber jetzt

zur|ck zu Cocksucker. \ber

die gewissenhaften Mdnner, |ber diese Gerechten, die gegen uns,

Sexisten, kdmpfen, kvnnte auch

Olli Bopp Bdnde f|llen.

 

In Cocksucker Nr. 13 packte mich gleich Olli Bopps Intro Social Beat?

Wunderbar und... traurig.

Olli schrieb: "In Frankfurt gab es plvtzlich Lesungen von Autoren, deren

Namen in der Szene nie

gefallen haben. Unter der Social Beat Flagge versuchten sich da Autoren

einer ganz anderen

Richtung (experimentell, dadaistisch) ein St|ck vom Medienkuchen

abzuschneiden." Social Beat in

Gefahr! Doch dort, wo die Satten jammern, lebt Underground von Hoffnung.

Seine Abrechnung

beendete Olli mit: "Wir haben uns gefunden und finden uns - suchen wir

unsere Leser. Viel Spa_ mit

alten und neuen Namen des wahren Social Beat."

 

Cocksucker Nr. 14 mit dem wunderbaren Umschlag. Auf den Photos einige

der neuen Wilden, der

Social-Beat-Propheten: Jvrg Andri Dahlmayer, Robsie Richter, Oliver

Bopp, Roland Adelmann

(|brigens alles Gute zu dem Schritt der Schritte, Roland!), Kersten

Flenter, Caroline Hartge, Jvrg

Gvtterwind, Hardy Kr|ger, Dagi Bernhard, Hermann J. Borgerding, Thorsten

Nesch, Ingo Lahr,

Grobylin Marlowe und selbstverstdndlich auch dabei - Hellmuth Karasek.

 

Vor mir liegt jetzt das vorldufig letzte Cocksucker-Heft, Nr. 15. Statt

eines Vorwortes begr|_t uns

Olli mit einer Collage aus Zeitungsschnippseln - manchmal reicht es

wirklich, auf das Elend nur mit

dem Finger zu zeigen - Schlagzeilen: Sparma_nahmen bei Sozialschwachen

kontra Didtenerhvhung

bei Abgeordneten. Weiter im Heft schon traditionell Hartmuths Kolumne

(Hartmuth Malorny) mit

seinem poetischen Lob "blitzernder frvhlicher Kronkorken waagerecht

gestapelter Bierflaschen."

 

Auf Seite 5 nimmt Olli Bopp Abschied von Biby Wintjes. Wie sonst als mit

einer Story: Ollis erste

Begegnung mit Biby. Und ich hatte dich nur am Telefon erleben kvnnen,

Biby, zum letzten Mal einen

Tag bevor das Arschloch Tod dich uns wegnahm.

 

Bah! Endlich kann ich wieder mal eine Geschichte von dem guten alten

Ruhrpott Rodney, Roland

Adelmann, lesen: Als mein guter Ruf auf dem Spiel stand. Man liest, man

lacht, und man fragt

sich, zum wievielten Mal schon: Wieso schnappen sich die gro_en Verlage

nicht diese Leute? Ein

Buch mit solchen Geschichten w|rde ich mir doch sofort kaufen!

 

Weiter im Cocksucker Nr. 15: Hartmuth Malorny schreibt |ber Herbert

Huncke, ein wie

immer gutes Gedicht von Kersten Flenter und eine feine Story von

Grobilyn Marlowe. Aber das ist

bei weitem nicht alles. Doch ich mu_ Schlu_ machen, wie leid es mir auch

tut. Da wird Frank

Duwald schon sowieso die Gro_zehen verdrehen, wenn er diese Seiten sieht

- so ein dickes

Manuskript hat ihm noch keiner zukommen lassen. Eine Frechheit! Heute

habe ich von Frank mit der

Post Ozzy Osbornes CD A Diary of a Madman bekommen. Ja, ja - ein

Geschenk von Freund zu

Freund. Sicher doch! Aber vielleicht auch ein subtiler Wink: "Hey, Mann,

hvr jetzt auf mit dem

Tippen und mach mal was Ordentliches." Na, ja, so werde ich jetzt wohl

die Harddisc runterdrehen

und die Ozzy-CD rotieren lassen. Zumindest bis die Nachbarn die

Feuerwehr rufen.

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Subject:      Re: [Fwd: Geese]

 

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Sent:   Sunday, November 02, 1997 8:37 PM

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Subject:        [Fwd: Geese]

 

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Hi all:

 

When I wrote Geese and posted it, I copied Charles Plymell.  He in turn

sent to me this poem about a rabbit.  When the rabbit managed to run

between my front tires and clear the rear before they came along, I

thought of this poem.  That is why the most recent posting was dedicated

to Charles.  The undetermined point of view.  He gave me permission to

post this to complete the connection.  First Geese, then this, then my

rabbit poem.

 

Now, Charles also found something and would like to see if someone who

speaks this language, must be German or some similiar language to my

uneducated eye, can translate the last paragraph for him.  I am assuming

he means the one with Huncke in it.

 

http://www.fto.de/fthp/gassner/jk_mesdd2.html

 

I wrote and he replied in full:

 

Yes, your poem was my inspiration.

 

Also would you mind posting this site:

(http://www.fto.de/fthp/gassner/jk_mesdd2.html)

Pam found on the web to the list to see if someone could translate the

last

paragraph for me.

CP

 

If you can translate this and don't have Charles' address, please post

it to the list and there are several persons who will forward it to him.

And it is about Huncke, so it must be beat.  The paragraph also contains

the mention of Ozzy Osborne and other things that make it a unique

paragraph, that's for sure.  Uuuhhh, Charles, I do have the right link,

right?

:-)

 

I hope you enjoy the poem.  I found it to contain a lot in a little and

really like it.  It is black humor I guess, but a nice tidy piece of

work.

 

--

Bentz

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I saw a rabbit road killed today

darting into time and space

the guts left of a view undetermined

cp

 

 

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I'm confused, is Plymell black? I am not familiar with his work;

why do you think it is black humor?

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Date:         Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:52:00 -0500

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From:         Sylvanna Vanderpark <SylvannaV@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Every 20 years

 

well, here in toronto, we celebrate the 80's already....Retro 80's is a

popular theme at clubs....it's wierd to be so nostalgiac about my childhood

so soon....

 

sylvanna

 

I look around and I've waited, waited

I look around and I've waited for this

 

 

<< the 70's it was 50's music.  In the 80's it was 60's and now disco,

 70's is the fad.  Hmmmm, think what it will be like next time when

 they get the 80's around again.  Or what about in the next when they

 look back to the 90's for the cool stuff.  You are making it now.  It

 is hard to see the big picture. " Right here right now, there is no

 other place I'd rather be.  Right here right now. "

 

 --

 

 Peace,

 

 Bentz

 bocelts@scsn.net

 http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

 

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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For clarification purposes, I am not speaking for Generation X. I'm after

that generation...

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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hey folks,

        well thanks for all of your insights on the topic that i posted a

few days ago. I didn't want some of you to personally attack one another

over it but i found it amazing to take my short post and turn it into

something that everyone had an opinion on. As a conclusion, i would like

to say that i enjoy reading about the Beats and anyone who was here

before me. Learning from them makes me a better and "armed"

person who can go up against a cold society.   But i still can't accept

the 90s as being anything worth wild with things such as "woodstock 96"

and terrible angst-ridden poetry from the likes of Henry Rollins. These

are just two little examples that i can defend my opinion on.

        Well, have a good day an watch out for banality. :)

                                                        jason

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From:         Sad Enigma <Sadenigma@AOL.COM>

Subject:      yes yes

Comments: To: donlee@comp.uark.edu

 

ummm what's be here now all about?  and why am i doing that?    i want to see

pull my daisy but i have to look around for it i think.  umm i got a reject

thing saying my post didn't make it to the list but then you repsonded to my

post, so ummm how does that work out in the big picture?

 

   <3

 

           chad

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From:         "L.W. Deal" <RoadSide6@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: generation x

 

This whole "Gen X/What would Kerouac think?" discussion has me feeling a bit

mixed --- I am both bored & peeved. It almost seems that an argument is being

forced in order to get off the whole Estate-debate. I agree with Nancy that

the "current" generation of young 'uns (myself included)  are doing a lot of

good and are  helping progress our future in many ways not attempted from

past generations. However -- we are forgetting one thing: we learn from the

past. Life is trial & error. Without the mistakes of the past we would

neither HAVE some of the current problems we experience (such as

environmental disasters, world misuse) nor would we have any ANSWERS TO THE

PROBLEMS. You see, in every generation there's a bunch of folks making a mess

and an equal amount of folks both cleaning up their peers' spilt milk glasses

AND configuring ways to prevent it in the future.

 

It's quite silly to be so damned general when referring to a generation ---

while I'm out there doing 10+ hours of AIDS volunteer work a week and working

with the developmentally disabled (I'm playing "Glenda the Good Witch" here),

on the left hand, there's my little sister hanging out with gang-bangers,

thinkin' bout drive-by's and never once has she lifted he hand in a good hard

day's work (she's the "Wicked Witch" you see).... She's 21, I'm 23. Point is,

generalizations are asinine. Firing off pissy remarks at older folks is

asinine. This discussion is asinine. I'm a fool for taking part. ---- But I'm

young, I'm jaded. Therefore I'm allowed <said with smirk>

 

 

Starfishes & Kisses,

L

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Subject:      of Generations and whatnot

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somedays when the wind gusts across

the Kansas prairie

several hundred generations can pass through

my numbed mind

before the morning coffee is sipped.

 

other days, a single generation

may last several thousand years

amidst an afternoon siesta

 

amazing sometimes

that we are so easily distracted

distracted

        distracted and some distraught

by our biological ages

our placement in

        this era

        this generation

                not that

oh that i could have lived in Ancient Egypt

that would be hip

but you have lived in Ancient Egypt

oh yeah, i forgot

got trapped in that

biological name my generation angst blues

 

am i in your generation

sometimes

am i in my generation

sometimes

am i even i let alone

we we

 

time for one of those siestas david

not yet i just woke up

oh yeah - maybe coffee will help

where was i

 

generations

oh

older and younger

that old age gap twisting brains

Eisenhower evil or still President in my mind

i was so much older than i'm younger than that now

 

this morning i feel a good 98 or so

yesterday had a brief period of 900

today maybe jump backwards

following Merlin through time's mist

and spend an hour or two as

a twenty-somethinger to see how it fits.

 

sad sometimes that our connectedness

gets bracketed by numbers

on a paper called a birth certificate.

 

traditions - are they generational?

depends on which ones i suppose

it's all been done somewhere between

Abilene and Ur

on a windy morning

or a dark and stormy night

 

Snoopy kicks me away from the keyboard

to type an opus

to the sad corporatism of the Dilbert generation

 

have fun snoop.

 

morning all.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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David, really enjoyed the poem, thought a little generational

sandwich about youth and traveling might be appropriate.

p

 

   Sweet sixteen

Huddled under a bridge,

cold fanged breeze

strip teasing comfort from my back.

Small green knive nestling

in the boot.

 

Beside the highway, frozen then

diving headfirst through barbed wire

to miss the adminastrations of the father of 6.

Taking a right to the jaw thought I

heard a phone rang.

 

gentle trails of vomit,

eyes spinning,

life before me

a spector of choice.

Where is my direction.

 

patricia

 

RACE --- wrote:

>

> somedays when the wind gusts across

> the Kansas prairie

> several hundred generations can pass through

> my numbed mind

> before the morning coffee is sipped.

>

> other days, a single generation

> may last several thousand years

> amidst an afternoon siesta

>

> amazing sometimes

> that we are so easily distracted

> distracted

>         distracted and some distraught

> by our biological ages

> our placement in

>         this era

>         this generation

>                 not that

> oh that i could have lived in Ancient Egypt

> that would be hip

> but you have lived in Ancient Egypt

> oh yeah, i forgot

> got trapped in that

> biological name my generation angst blues

>

> am i in your generation

> sometimes

> am i in my generation

> sometimes

> am i even i let alone

> we we

>

> time for one of those siestas david

> not yet i just woke up

> oh yeah - maybe coffee will help

> where was i

>

> generations

> oh

> older and younger

> that old age gap twisting brains

> Eisenhower evil or still President in my mind

> i was so much older than i'm younger than that now

>

> this morning i feel a good 98 or so

> yesterday had a brief period of 900

> today maybe jump backwards

> following Merlin through time's mist

> and spend an hour or two as

> a twenty-somethinger to see how it fits.

>

> sad sometimes that our connectedness

> gets bracketed by numbers

> on a paper called a birth certificate.

>

> traditions - are they generational?

> depends on which ones i suppose

> it's all been done somewhere between

> Abilene and Ur

> on a windy morning

> or a dark and stormy night

>

> Snoopy kicks me away from the keyboard

> to type an opus

> to the sad corporatism of the Dilbert generation

>

> have fun snoop.

>

> morning all.

>

> david rhaesa

> salina, Kansas

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: do ya ever...

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> On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:

>

> >

> > walk down streets with ears wide open, ears most acute sense by blocking

> > just enough for safety the other senses,

> > and hear the two guys way up the hill arguing whose fieldstone wall is

> > the sturdiest, the wet and crinkly leaves underfoot have different

> > sounds, moms talking to toddlers out of still open windows a particular

> > muffler problem that had grown into the background of white noise in my

> > room becomes a real car in need, don't look at the car to make

> > judgements just listening listeneing to geese overhead, smaller birds

> > still out on the wires, squirrels squabbling...

> > do ya ever do that, anyone?

> > mc

> >

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Patricia Elliott wrote:

>

> David, really enjoyed the poem, thought a little generational

> sandwich about youth and traveling might be appropriate.

> p

>

enjoyed the sandwich - quite a breakfast.  your tale tells so much and

so much of it exploding out from between the lines, the words, the

letters, <my jaw hurts a bit - perhaps sympathy pains but no auditory

visions of phones yet>  i've obviously lived such a sheltered

life....mental travels instead of real ones.  fewer scars on my body

that way.  scars on my brain? oh well, there is that <grin>

 

just returned from filling station with strawberry kiwi gatorade.

Dilbert great social commentary.  Charlie Brown story of my life.  Ziggy

provided food for my sandwich.  It is a dim and dreary drizzling

morning....the weather not even up for a dark and stormy night.

 

>    Sweet sixteen

> Huddled under a bridge,

> cold fanged breeze

> strip teasing comfort from my back.

> Small green knive nestling

> in the boot.

>

> Beside the highway, frozen then

> diving headfirst through barbed wire

> to miss the adminastrations of the father of 6.

> Taking a right to the jaw thought I

> heard a phone rang.

>

> gentle trails of vomit,

> eyes spinning,

> life before me

> a spector of choice.

> Where is my direction.

>

> patricia

>

> RACE --- wrote:

> >

> > somedays when the wind gusts across

> > the Kansas prairie

> > several hundred generations can pass through

> > my numbed mind

> > before the morning coffee is sipped.

> >

> > other days, a single generation

> > may last several thousand years

> > amidst an afternoon siesta

> >

> > amazing sometimes

> > that we are so easily distracted

> > distracted

> >         distracted and some distraught

> > by our biological ages

> > our placement in

> >         this era

> >         this generation

> >                 not that

> > oh that i could have lived in Ancient Egypt

> > that would be hip

> > but you have lived in Ancient Egypt

> > oh yeah, i forgot

> > got trapped in that

> > biological name my generation angst blues

> >

> > am i in your generation

> > sometimes

> > am i in my generation

> > sometimes

> > am i even i let alone

> > we we

> >

> > time for one of those siestas david

> > not yet i just woke up

> > oh yeah - maybe coffee will help

> > where was i

> >

> > generations

> > oh

> > older and younger

> > that old age gap twisting brains

> > Eisenhower evil or still President in my mind

> > i was so much older than i'm younger than that now

> >

> > this morning i feel a good 98 or so

> > yesterday had a brief period of 900

> > today maybe jump backwards

> > following Merlin through time's mist

> > and spend an hour or two as

> > a twenty-somethinger to see how it fits.

> >

> > sad sometimes that our connectedness

> > gets bracketed by numbers

> > on a paper called a birth certificate.

> >

> > traditions - are they generational?

> > depends on which ones i suppose

> > it's all been done somewhere between

> > Abilene and Ur

> > on a windy morning

> > or a dark and stormy night

> >

> > Snoopy kicks me away from the keyboard

> > to type an opus

> > to the sad corporatism of the Dilbert generation

> >

> > have fun snoop.

> >

> > morning all.

> >

> > david rhaesa

> > salina, Kansas

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RACE --- wrote:

>

> Patricia Elliott wrote:

> >

> > David, really enjoyed the poem, thought a little generational

> > sandwich about youth and traveling might be appropriate.

> > p

> >

> enjoyed the sandwich - quite a breakfast.  your tale tells so much and

> so much of it exploding out from between the lines, the words, the

> letters, <my jaw hurts a bit - perhaps sympathy pains but no auditory

> visions of phones yet>  i've obviously lived such a sheltered

> life....mental travels instead of real ones.  fewer scars on my body

> that way.  scars on my brain? oh well, there is that <grin>

>

> just returned from filling station with strawberry kiwi gatorade.

> Dilbert great social commentary.  Charlie Brown story of my life.  Ziggy

> provided food for my sandwich.  It is a dim and dreary drizzling

> morning....the weather not even up for a dark and stormy night.

>

dilbert seems so alarming because it rings so true.  It seems that there

is no quest for good left in our bones sometimes, that we are laughing

at our failure. but this may be too early in the morning for me.  by

afternoon and one warm moment in the sunbeam by the window, i may

completely rejuvinate and now that love conquers all.

p

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: of Generations and whatnot

 

good morning David!

thanks for this. to put it plainly you kick ass. (now if that didn't sound

generational...) anyway, strangely enough i really need a cup of coffee....

take it easy,

~~marlene

 

In a message dated 97-11-05 09:48:54 EST, you write:

 

<< somedays when the wind gusts across

 the Kansas prairie

 several hundred generations can pass through

 my numbed mind

 before the morning coffee is sipped.

 

 other days, a single generation

 may last several thousand years

 amidst an afternoon siesta

 

 amazing sometimes

 that we are so easily distracted

 distracted

         distracted and some distraught

 by our biological ages

 our placement in

         this era

         this generation

                 not that

 oh that i could have lived in Ancient Egypt

 that would be hip

 but you have lived in Ancient Egypt

 oh yeah, i forgot

 got trapped in that

 biological name my generation angst blues

 

 am i in your generation

 sometimes

 am i in my generation

 sometimes

 am i even i let alone

 we we

 

 time for one of those siestas david

 not yet i just woke up

 oh yeah - maybe coffee will help

 where was i

 

 generations

 oh

 older and younger

 that old age gap twisting brains

 Eisenhower evil or still President in my mind

 i was so much older than i'm younger than that now

 

 this morning i feel a good 98 or so

 yesterday had a brief period of 900

 today maybe jump backwards

 following Merlin through time's mist

 and spend an hour or two as

 a twenty-somethinger to see how it fits.

 

 sad sometimes that our connectedness

 gets bracketed by numbers

 on a paper called a birth certificate.

 

 traditions - are they generational?

 depends on which ones i suppose

 it's all been done somewhere between

 Abilene and Ur

 on a windy morning

 or a dark and stormy night

 

 Snoopy kicks me away from the keyboard

 to type an opus

 to the sad corporatism of the Dilbert generation

 

 have fun snoop.

 

 morning all.

 

 david rhaesa

 salina, Kansas >>

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beat-L'ers

i pulled this offa TIME's site - it should be in the new time magazine as

well (the one with greenspan on the cover) as well - does anyone else out

there know anything about the rumors of HST writing an ongoing column for

TIME?

thanks

derek

 

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   [1][LINK] [2][LINK] [3]General Motors [4][ISMAP]

   [5]TIME Logo

   THE ARTS/SHOW BUSINESS NOVEMBER 10, 1997 VOL. 150 NO. 20

     _________________________________________________________________

 

 

   DOOMED LOVE AT THE TACO STAND

 

   FEAR AND LOATHING IN HOLLYWOOD

 

   BY HUNTER S. THOMPSON

 

     _________________________________________________________________

 

 

   TIME asked HUNTER S. THOMPSON, a former copyboy here who went on to an

   even more exciting career as a gonzo journalist, to report from the

   set of the movie being made of his 1971 book, Fear and Loathing in Las

   Vegas, in which Johnny Depp plays Thompson and the author appears in a

   cameo role. Thompson, who this year published a volume of collected

   letters called The Proud Highway, ended up taking Depp's car and

   checkbook on a romantic adventure. Fasten your seat belts...

 

   Oct. 11th (HOLLYWOOD)

 

   Going to Hollywood is a dangerous high-pressure gig for most people,

   under any circumstances. It is like pumping hot steam into thousands

   of different-size boilers. The laws of physics mandate that some will

   explode before others--although all of them will explode sooner or

   later unless somebody cuts off the steam.

 

   I love steam myself, and I have learned to survive under savage and

   unnatural pressures. I am a steam freak. Hollywood is chicken feed to

   me. I can take it or leave it. I have been here before, many times. On

   some days it seems like I have lived at the Chateau Marmont for half

   my life. There is blood on these walls, and some of it is mine. Last

   night I sliced off the tips of two fingers and bled so profusely in

   the elevator that they had to take it out of service.

 

   But nobody complained. I am not just liked at the Chateau, I am

   well-liked. I have important people thrown out or black-listed on a

   whim. Nobody from the Schwarzenegger organization, for instance, can

   even get a drink at the Chateau. They are verboten. There is a ghastly

   political factor in doing any business with Hollywood. You can't get

   by without five or six personal staff people--and at least one

   personal astrologer.

 

   I have always hated astrologers, and I like to have sport with them.

   They are harmless quacks in the main, but some of them get ambitious

   and turn predatory, especially in Hollywood. In Venice Beach I ran

   into a man who claimed to be Johnny Depp's astrologer. "I consult with

   him constantly," he told me. "We are never far away. I have many

   famous clients." He produced a yellow business card and gave it to me.

   "I can do things for you," he said. "I am a player."

 

   I took his card and examined it carefully for a moment, as if I

   couldn't quite read the small print. But I knew he was lying, so I

   leaned toward him and slapped him sharply in the nuts. Not hard, but

   very quickly, using the back of my hand and my fingers like a

   bullwhip, yet very discreetly.

 

   He let out a hiss and went limp, unable to speak or breathe. I smiled

   casually and kept on talking to him as if nothing had happened. "You

   filthy little creep," I said to him. "I am Johnny Depp!"

 

   Outside on the boulevard I saw a half-naked young girl on roller

   skates being mauled by two huge dogs. They were Great Danes,

   apparently running loose. Both had their paws on her shoulder, and the

   gray one had her head in its mouth. But there was no noise, and nobody

   seemed to notice.

 

   I grabbed a fork off the bar and rushed outside to help her, giving

   the bogus astrologer another slap in the nuts on my way out. When I

   got to the street, the dogs were still mauling the girl. I stabbed the

   big one in the ribs with my fork, which sank deep into the tissue. The

   beast yelped crazily and ran off with its tail between its legs. The

   other one quickly released its grip on the girl's head and snarled at

   me. I slashed at it with the fork, and that was enough for the brute.

   It backed off and slunk away toward Muscle Beach.

 

   I took the girl back to the Buffalo Club and applied aloe to her

   wounds. The astrologer was gone, and we had the lounge to ourselves.

   Her name was Heidi, she said, and she had just arrived in L.A. to seek

   work as a dancer. It was the third time in 10 days she'd been attacked

   by wild dogs on the Venice boardwalk, and she was ready to quit L.A.,

   and so was I. The pace was getting to me. I was not bored, and I still

   had work to do, but it was definitely time to get out of town. I had

   to be in Big Sur in three days, and then to a medical conference in

   Pebble Beach. She was a very pretty girl, about 30, with elegant legs

   and a wicked kind of intelligence about her, but she was also very

   naive about Hollywood. I saw at once that she would be extremely

   helpful on my trip north.

 

   I listened to her for a while, then I offered her a job as my

   assistant, which I badly needed. She accepted, and we drove back to

   the Chateau in Depp's Porsche. As we pulled up the ramp to the

   underground garage, the attendants backed off and signaled me in.

   Depp's henchmen had left word that nobody could touch the car except

   me. I parked it expertly, barely missing a red BMW 840Ci, and we went

   up the elevator to my suite.

 

   I reached for my checkbook, but it was missing, so I used one of

   Depp's that I'd found in the glove compartment of his car. I wrote her

   a healthy advance and signed Depp's name to it. "What the hell?" I

   said to her. "He's running around out there with my checkbook right

   now, probably racking up all kinds of bills."

 

   That was the tone of my workdays in Hollywood: violence, joy and

   constant Mexican music. At one club I played the bass recorder for

   several hours with the band. We spent a lot of time drinking gin and

   lemonade on the balcony, entertaining movie people and the ever

   present scribe from Rolling Stone magazine...

 

   You bet, bubba, I was taking care of business. It was like the Too

   Much Fun Club. I had the Cadillac and a green Mustang in the garage,

   in addition to the Carerra 4 Porsche, but we could only drive one of

   them up the coast. It was an uptown problem.

 

   Depp, meanwhile, was driving around town in my car, the Red Shark, and

   passing himself off as me. It was part of the movie, he said, but it

   gave me the creeps.

 

   Finally it got to be too much, so we loaded up the Northstar Cadillac

   and fled. Why not? I thought. The girl had proved to be a tremendous

   help, and besides, I was beginning to like her.

 

   Oct. 12th (PISMO BEACH)

 

   The sun was going down as we left Malibu and headed north on 101,

   running smoothly through Oxnard and along the ocean to Santa Barbara.

   My companion was a little nervous about my speed, so I gave her some

   gin to calm her down. Soon she relaxed against me, and I put my arm

   around her. Roseanne Cash was on the radio, singing about the

   seven-year ache, and the traffic was opening up.

 

   As we approached the Lompoc exit, I mentioned that Lompoc was the site

   of a federal penitentiary and I once had some friends over there.

 

   "Oh?" she said. "Who were they?"

 

   "Prisoners," I said. "Nothing serious. That's where Ed was."

 

   She stiffened and moved away from me, but I turned up the music and we

   settled back to drive and watch the moon come up. What the hell? I

   thought. Just another young couple on the road to the American Dream.

 

   Things started to get weird when I noticed Pismo Beach coming up. I

   was on the cell phone with Benicio del Toro, the famous Puerto Rican

   actor, telling him about the time I was violently jailed in Pismo

   Beach and how it was making me nervous to even pass a road sign with

   that name on it. "Yeah," I was saying, "it was horrible. They beat me

   on the back of my legs. It was a case of mistaken identity." I smiled

   at my assistant, not wanting to alarm her, but I saw that she was

   going into a fetal crouch and her fingers were clutching the straps of

   her seat belt.

 

   Just then we passed two police cars parked on the side of the road,

   and I saw that we were going a hundred and three.

 

   "Slow down!" Heidi was screaming. "Slow down! We'll be arrested. I

   can't stand it!" She was sobbing and clawing at the air.

 

   "Nonsense," I said. "Those were not police. My radar didn't go off." I

   reached over to pat her on the arm, but she bit me and I had to pull

   over. The only exit led to a dangerous-looking section of Pismo Beach,

   but I took it anyway.

 

   It was just about midnight when we parked under the streetlight in

   front of the empty Mexican place on Main Street. Heidi was having a

   nervous breakdown. There was too much talk about jails and police and

   prisons, she said. She felt like she was already in chains.

 

   I left the car in a crosswalk and hurried inside to get a taco. The

   girl behind the register warned me to get my car off the street

   because the police were about to swoop down on the gang of thugs

   milling around in front of the taco place. "They just had a fight with

   the cops," she said. "Now I'm afraid somebody is going to get killed."

 

 

   We were parked right behind the doomed mob, so I hurried out to roust

   Heidi and move the car to safety. Then we went back inside very gently

   and sat down in a booth at the rear of the room. I put my arm around

   Heidi and tried to calm her down. She wanted gin, and luckily I still

   had a pint flask full of it in my fleece-lined jacket pocket. She

   drank greedily, then fell back in the booth and grinned. "Well, so

   much for that," she chirped. "I guess I really went crazy, didn't I?"

 

   "Yes," I said. "You were out of control. It was like dealing with a

   vampire."

 

   She smiled and grasped my thigh. "I am a vampire," she said. "We have

   many a mile to go before we sleep. I am hungry."

 

   "Indeed," I said. "We will have to fill up on tacos before we go any

   farther. I too am extremely hungry."

 

   Just then the waitress arrived to take our order. The mob of young

   Chicanos outside had disappeared very suddenly, roaring off into the

   night in a brace of white pickup trucks. They were a good-natured

   bunch, mainly teenagers with huge shoulders wearing Dallas Cowboys

   jerseys and heads like half-shaved coconuts. They were not afraid of

   the cops, but they left anyway.

 

   The waitress was hugely relieved. "Thank God," she said. "Now Manuel

   can live one more night. I was afraid they would kill him. We have

   only been married three weeks." She began sobbing, and I could see she

   was about to crack. I introduced myself as Johnny Depp, but I saw the

   name meant nothing to her. Her name was Maria. She was 17 years old

   and had lied about her age to get the job. She was the manager and

   Manuel was the cook. He was almost 21. Every night strange men hovered

   around the taco stand and mumbled about killing him.

 

   Maria sat down in the booth between us, and we both put our arms

   around her. She shuddered and collapsed against Heidi, kissing her

   gently on the cheek. "Don't worry," I said. "Nobody is going to be

   killed tonight. This is the night of the full moon. Some people will

   die tonight, but not us. I am protected."

 

   Which was true. I am a Triple Moon Child, and tonight was the Hunter's

   Moon. I pulled the waitress closer to me and spoke soothingly. "You

   have nothing to fear, little one," I told her. "No power on earth can

   harm me tonight. I walk with the King."

 

   She smiled and kissed me gratefully on my wrist. Manuel stared

   balefully at us from his perch in the kitchen, saying nothing. "Rest

   easy," I called out to him. "Nobody is going to kill you tonight."

 

   "Stop saying that!" Heidi snapped, as Manuel sunk further into

   himself. "Can't you see he's afraid?" Maria began crying again, but I

   jerked her to her feet. "Get a grip on yourself," I said sharply. "We

   need more beer and some pork tacos to go. I have to drive the whole

   coast tonight."

 

   "That's right," said my companion. "We're on a honeymoon trip. We're

   in a hurry." She laughed and reached for my wallet. "Come on, big

   boy," she cooed. "Don't try to cheat. Just give it to me."

 

   "Watch yourself," I snarled, slapping her hand away from my pocket.

   "You've been acting weird ever since we left L.A. We'll be in serious

   trouble if you go sideways on me again."

 

   She grinned and stretched her arms lazily above her head, poking her

   elegant little breasts up in the air at me like some memory from an

   old Marilyn Monroe calendar and rolling her palms in the air.

 

   "Sideways?" she said. "What difference does it make? Let's get out of

   here. We're late."

 

   I paid the bill quickly and watched Maria disappear into the kitchen.

   Manuel was nowhere in sight. Just as I stepped into the street, I

   noticed two police cars coming at us from different directions. Then

   another one slowed down right in front of the taco stand.

 

   "Don't worry," I said to Heidi. "They're not looking for us."

 

   I seized her by the leg and rushed her into the Cadillac. There was a

   lot of yelling as we pulled away through the circling traffic and back

   out onto Highway 101.

 

   My mind was very much on my work as we sped north along the coast to

   Big Sur. We were into open country now, running straight up the coast

   about a mile from the ocean on a two-lane blacktop road across the

   dunes with no clouds in the sky and a full moon blazing down on the

   Pacific. It was a perfect night to be driving a fast car on an empty

   road along the edge of the ocean with a half-mad beautiful woman

   asleep on the white leather seats and Lyle Lovett crooning doggerel

   about screwheads who go out to sea with shotguns and ponies in small

   rowboats just to get some kind of warped revenge on a white man with

   bad habits who was only trying to do them a favor in the first place.

 

   You bet. My mind was wandering, thinking about Lyle. I was just with

   him in Hollywood. We both had roles in my movie, but Lyle had a

   trailer and I didn't. I had to settle for half of Depp's trailer,

   along with his C4 Porsche and his wig, so I could look more like

   myself when I drove around Beverly Hills and stared at people when we

   rolled to a halt at stoplights on Rodeo Drive.

 

   Oct. 13th (BIG SUR)

 

   I lost control of the Cadillac about halfway down the slope. The road

   was slick with pine needles, and the eucalyptus trees were getting

   closer together. The girl laughed as I tried to aim the car through

   the darkness with huge tree trunks looming up in the headlights and

   the bright white moon on the ocean out in front of us. It was like

   driving on ice, going straight toward the abyss.

 

   We shot past a darkened house and past a parked Jeep, then crashed

   into a waterfall high above the sea. I got out of the car and sat down

   on a rock, then lit up the marijuana pipe. "Well," I said to Heidi,

   "this is it. We must have taken a wrong turn."

 

   She laughed and sucked on some moss. Then she sat down across from me

   on a log. "You're funny," she said. "You're very strange--and you

   don't know why, do you?"

 

   I shook my head softly and drank some gin.

 

   "No," I said. "I'm stupid."

 

   "It's because you have the soul of a teenage girl in the body of an

   elderly dope fiend," she whispered. "That is why you have problems."

   She patted me on the knee. "Yes. That is why people giggle with fear

   every time you come into a room. That is why you rescued me from those

   dogs in Venice."

 

   I stared out to sea and said nothing for a while. But somehow I knew

   she was right. Yes sir, I said slowly to myself, I have the soul of a

   teenage girl in the body of an elderly dope fiend. No wonder they

   can't understand me.

 

   This is a hard dollar, on most days, and not many people can stand it.

   Indeed. If the greatest mania of all is passion: and if I am a natural

   slave to passion: and if the balance between my brain and my soul and

   my body is as wild and delicate as the skin of a Ming vase--

 

   Well, that explains a lot of things, doesn't it? We need look no

   further. Yes sir, and people wonder why I seem to look at them

   strangely. Or why my personal etiquette often seems makeshift and

   contradictory, even clinically insane... Hell, I don't miss those

   whispers, those soft groans of fear when I enter a civilized room. I

   know what they're thinking, and I know exactly why. They are extremely

   uncomfortable with the idea that I am a teenage girl trapped in the

   body of a 60-year-old career criminal who has already died 16 times.

   Sixteen, all documented. I have been crushed and beaten and shocked

   and drowned and poisoned and stabbed and shot and smothered and set on

   fire by my own bombs...

 

   All these things have happened, and probably they will happen again. I

   have learned a few tricks along the way, a few random skills and

   simple avoidance techniques--but mainly it has been luck, I think, and

   a keen attention to karma, along with my natural girlish charm.

 

   (To be continued.)

 

   [6]The Gonzo Faxes: Correspondence from the edge.

     _________________________________________________________________

 

   [7]time-webmaster@pathfinder.com

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:31:03 UT

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

quite frankly, i think every generation has to deal with more or less the same

stresses.  certain generations have had them a little tougher than others -

the gen-x'ers being one of them.  the focus shifts. in the 50's it was the

ostrich-head-in-the-sand mentality and ultra-repression of emotional and

sexual issues which the youth of that generation broke through.  in the 70's

apathy become the desired stance, after trying so hard in the 60's to change

things and the war.  in the 80's it was reaction to extremes of the 60's and

70's, so conservatism won out (much to my horror).

 

there are no manuals for life.  beat is beat.  it stands because those things

which fundamentally define beat are timeless.  although the prevalence of such

thought may wane, it never dies and when the social climate gets too extreme

many people turn to these truths/values to anchor them amidst the turmoil.

beat would be dead and meaningless if it didn't evolve.  it can evolve because

it embraces some of the deepest truths of the human soul.  of course, this is

just my humble opinion.

 

ciao,

sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Alex Howard

Sent:   Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:15 AM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

> I beg to differ. I think that my generation is amazing. A lot of people

> have misconceptions about us because of the media but most of us are doinf

> good stuff.

 

What I mean is that I don't see this generation as particularly unique (as

a whole I mean).  This is the first one to come of age completely in the

trench of post-modernism (which is in itself unique), but as the

post-modern world is unique, there is difficulty finding a way of dealing

with it.  The hippies, the beatniks, the beats, the lost generation had

specific and logical ways to deal with the world as it presented itself at

that time.  Post-modernism has led to such a mish-mash of culture and

ideas, looking to the past as a reaction to the anxious present in an

attempt to understand everything that has become and is becoming of

culture and society there is not _distinct_ way in which this generation

has come upon to deal with and understand this era.  I'm not saying there

aren't a lot of worthwhile people and things happening (although I wonder

sometimes when I look around), I'm just saying that has yet a particular

reaction or distinguishing characteristic to emerge.  I do, however, see

great potential as American culture has just in this century become

distinguishable (or begun to be distinguishable) from European culture and

traditions.  Once post-modernism becomes something that can be understood

in about 20 or 30 years, it may be an incredibly important time in

cultural history.  I think that American culture since the turn of the

century will become quite important to bring about that coalescence and

the Beats in particular are a pivitol point in that development.

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:31:03 UT from

              <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

 

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:31:03 UT Sherri said:

>quite frankly, i think every generation has to deal with more or less the same

>stresses.  certain generations have had them a little tougher than others -

>the gen-x'ers being one of them.  the focus shifts. in the 50's it was the

>ostrich-head-in-the-sand mentality and ultra-repression of emotional and

>sexual issues which the youth of that generation broke through.  in the 70's

>apathy become the desired stance, after trying so hard in the 60's to change

>things and the war.  in the 80's it was reaction to extremes of the 60's and

>70's, so conservatism won out (much to my horror).

>

>there are no manuals for life.  beat is beat.  it stands because those things

>which fundamentally define beat are timeless.  although the prevalence of such

>thought may wane, it never dies and when the social climate gets too extreme

>many people turn to these truths/values to anchor them amidst the turmoil.

>beat would be dead and meaningless if it didn't evolve.  it can evolve because

>it embraces some of the deepest truths of the human soul.  of course, this is

>just my humble opinion.

>

>ciao,

>sherri

>

>----------

>From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Alex Howard

>Sent:   Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:15 AM

>To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>Subject:        Re: what would Kerouac think....

>

>> I beg to differ. I think that my generation is amazing. A lot of people

>> have misconceptions about us because of the media but most of us are doinf

>> good stuff.

>

>What I mean is that I don't see this generation as particularly unique (as

>a whole I mean).  This is the first one to come of age completely in the

>trench of post-modernism (which is in itself unique), but as the

>post-modern world is unique, there is difficulty finding a way of dealing

>with it.  The hippies, the beatniks, the beats, the lost generation had

>specific and logical ways to deal with the world as it presented itself at

>that time.  Post-modernism has led to such a mish-mash of culture and

>ideas, looking to the past as a reaction to the anxious present in an

>attempt to understand everything that has become and is becoming of

>culture and society there is not _distinct_ way in which this generation

>has come upon to deal with and understand this era.  I'm not saying there

>aren't a lot of worthwhile people and things happening (although I wonder

>sometimes when I look around), I'm just saying that has yet a particular

>reaction or distinguishing characteristic to emerge.  I do, however, see

>great potential as American culture has just in this century become

>distinguishable (or begun to be distinguishable) from European culture and

>traditions.  Once post-modernism becomes something that can be understood

>in about 20 or 30 years, it may be an incredibly important time in

>cultural history.  I think that American culture since the turn of the

>century will become quite important to bring about that coalescence and

>the Beats in particular are a pivitol point in that development.

 

 

Ah!  but now there IS a manual for BEAT life:  it's called "The Beat Spirit."

It's a kind of self-help book aimed at "generation xers" who are drawn to the l

iives and works of the Beat Generation.

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

Comments: To: Bill Gargan <WXGBC%CUNYVM.BITNET@interbit.cren.net>

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Where can one get this book THE BEAT SPIRIT?

 

Don Lee

Fayetteville, Ark.

 

"I make art about the misunderstandings that take place at the

border zone, but for me, the border is no longer at any fixed

geopolitical site. I carry the border with me, and I find new

borders, wherever I go."

                               --Guillermo Gomez-Pena

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:57:51 BST

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From:         Tom Harberd <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: wsb and stephen king?

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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:28:01 -0500 PoOka(the friendly ghost)

wrote:

 

> From: PoOka(the friendly ghost) <jdematte@TURBO.KEAN.EDU>

> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:28:01 -0500

> Subject: wsb and stephen king?

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>

> hey folks,

>         let me say that i have never read any of the Dark

Tower books by

> Stephen King but its very strange to see a similarity

between the

> gunslinger in King's book and Burrough's Kim Carson in the

Western

> Lands/Place of Dead Roads/Cities of the Red Night series.

Any thoughts on

> this or am i just overdosing on M@Ms?

 

I think it's quite possible that many people have been

influenced by WSB without even realising it.  Besides which,

Kim Carson as gunslinger isn't exactly a completely new type

of image.  Miles makes several claims for Burroughs'

influence on culture in his autobiography, some which seemed

quite spurious at the time that I read it, but I can't

remember now.  Anyone seen the credit to WSB in Blade

Runner?

Incidently, I'm writing an essay on the erotic in Burroughs

now for Monday.  Anyone got any thoughts?  Is sex in WSB

erotic, or just cold, clinical and scientefic.  Do you

believe the claim that its Swiftean satire on capital

punishment, or is that WSB trying get get away from

prosecution for obscentity?  Are there links between

Ginsberg's use of explicit language (eg Sunflower Sutra,

half-way through - text not in front of me) and WSB's?  Is

WSB only trying to shock, or is there more to it?

 

Anwsers on a postcard to...

(and to those who say not to help students, the answer is

simple... DON'T!  I'm fine on my own, but I'd be interested

to discuss it.)

 

Tom. H.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

"A Bear of Very Little Brain"

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From:         Tom Harberd <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

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The fifth of Novemeber... probably doesn't mean much to the

Americans on the list, but to us Brits... it doesn't really

mean much either!  But I like to think that Guy Fawkes was

perhaps one of the first to strike a blow for freedom of the

individual in this country.

I think WSB would have appreciated Guido too.  Maybe he did

(I sorta remember him saying something about it.)

Anyhow, happy Bonfire Night!

 

Tom. H.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

"That's it, I'm done, stick a fork in me."

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From:         James Donahue <donahujl@BC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

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On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Bill Gargan wrote:

 

> On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:31:03 UT Sherri said:

> >quite frankly, i think every generation has to deal with more or less the

 same

> >stresses.  certain generations have had them a little tougher than others -

> >the gen-x'ers being one of them.  the focus shifts. in the 50's it was the

> >ostrich-head-in-the-sand mentality and ultra-repression of emotional and

> >sexual issues which the youth of that generation broke through.  in the 70's

> >apathy become the desired stance, after trying so hard in the 60's to change

> >things and the war.  in the 80's it was reaction to extremes of the 60's and

> >70's, so conservatism won out (much to my horror).

> >

> >there are no manuals for life.  beat is beat.  it stands because those things

> >which fundamentally define beat are timeless.  although the prevalence of

 such

> >thought may wane, it never dies and when the social climate gets too extreme

> >many people turn to these truths/values to anchor them amidst the turmoil.

> >beat would be dead and meaningless if it didn't evolve.  it can evolve

 because

> >it embraces some of the deepest truths of the human soul.  of course, this is

> >just my humble opinion.

> >

> >ciao,

> >sherri

> >

> >----------

> >From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Alex Howard

> >Sent:   Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:15 AM

> >To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> >Subject:        Re: what would Kerouac think....

> >

> >> I beg to differ. I think that my generation is amazing. A lot of people

> >> have misconceptions about us because of the media but most of us are doinf

> >> good stuff.

> >

> >What I mean is that I don't see this generation as particularly unique (as

> >a whole I mean).  This is the first one to come of age completely in the

> >trench of post-modernism (which is in itself unique), but as the

> >post-modern world is unique, there is difficulty finding a way of dealing

> >with it.  The hippies, the beatniks, the beats, the lost generation had

> >specific and logical ways to deal with the world as it presented itself at

> >that time.  Post-modernism has led to such a mish-mash of culture and

> >ideas, looking to the past as a reaction to the anxious present in an

> >attempt to understand everything that has become and is becoming of

> >culture and society there is not _distinct_ way in which this generation

> >has come upon to deal with and understand this era.  I'm not saying there

> >aren't a lot of worthwhile people and things happening (although I wonder

> >sometimes when I look around), I'm just saying that has yet a particular

> >reaction or distinguishing characteristic to emerge.  I do, however, see

> >great potential as American culture has just in this century become

> >distinguishable (or begun to be distinguishable) from European culture and

> >traditions.  Once post-modernism becomes something that can be understood

> >in about 20 or 30 years, it may be an incredibly important time in

> >cultural history.  I think that American culture since the turn of the

> >century will become quite important to bring about that coalescence and

> >the Beats in particular are a pivitol point in that development.

>

>

> Ah!  but now there IS a manual for BEAT life:  it's called "The Beat Spirit."

> It's a kind of self-help book aimed at "generation xers" who are drawn to the

 l

> iives and works of the Beat Generation.

>

-----question: i just got a copy of this book as a

gift, but it didnt look sincere - maybe it was just

the cover or the bongos on some of the pages, but i

would like to know if this is a serious endeavor.  if

its just a game for people who have nothing better to

do and are tired of self-help books, ill ignore it.

but if this has some serious merit, ill be glad to

give it a read.  ive flipped through some of the

exercizes - some are quite odd - but all in all im not

so sure, so i thought id ask someone who knows.

(strange coincidence that you happened to mention it

now...)

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:23:14 -0500

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From:         Tyson Ouellette <Tyson_Ouellette@UMIT.MAINE.EDU>

Organization: University of Maine

Subject:      Re: generation x

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>This whole "Gen X/What would Kerouac think?" discussion has me feeling

>a bit

>mixed --- I am both bored & peeved. It almost seems that an argument is

>being

>forced in order to get off the whole Estate-debate.

 

     I think that, in this discussion, there is a misconception about

what gen x is.  it's not the young generation now, it isn't defined by

age; gen x is more an "attitude," an inability to categorize oneself

within any one generational tendency.  dig what i'm saying?  that's why

it's gen X, x is the unknown variable in a manner of speaking.  That

sound right?

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:14:40 -0600

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: wsb and stephen king?

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Tom Harberd wrote:

is there more to it?

>

> Anwsers on a postcard to...

> (and to those who say not to help students, the answer is

> simple... DON'T!  I'm fine on my own, but I'd be interested

> to discuss it.)

>

> Tom. H.

> http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

> "A Bear of Very Little Brain"

 

ah, a chance to clarify, i never said nor did i hear anyone say , not to

help students, i just said that i resented being considered a free

source. I am not on this list to be a help to someone who prefers not to

think enough to ask a good question,  different matter entirely.

 i love a good question, dislike general questions.  student questions,

or life student questions all the same merit to me.

p

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

marie - laughing my head off!  you have the most perfect timing!!  ciao,

sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Marie Countryman

Sent:   Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:46 AM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

ok all you pikers posers weasels and whiners

i have consulted with my alter personality, who in another life was a

therapist.

half of you should walk as weirdly as possible to monty python's arguement

clinic do not wait a moment, asap mon cheris!

the rest go stand and rot in the verbal abuse clinic.

there now.

any one with newly diagnosed prostrate problems?

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 02:47:08 UT

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: of Generations and whatnot

 

Patricia -  thank you.  quite a poem!1

ciao,

sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Patricia Elliott

Sent:   Wednesday, November 05, 1997 8:04 AM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: of Generations and whatnot

 

David, really enjoyed the poem, thought a little generational

sandwich about youth and traveling might be appropriate.

p

 

   Sweet sixteen

Huddled under a bridge,

cold fanged breeze

strip teasing comfort from my back.

Small green knive nestling

in the boot.

 

Beside the highway, frozen then

diving headfirst through barbed wire

to miss the adminastrations of the father of 6.

Taking a right to the jaw thought I

heard a phone rang.

 

gentle trails of vomit,

eyes spinning,

life before me

a spector of choice.

Where is my direction.

 

patricia

 

RACE --- wrote:

>

> somedays when the wind gusts across

> the Kansas prairie

> several hundred generations can pass through

> my numbed mind

> before the morning coffee is sipped.

>

> other days, a single generation

> may last several thousand years

> amidst an afternoon siesta

>

> amazing sometimes

> that we are so easily distracted

> distracted

>         distracted and some distraught

> by our biological ages

> our placement in

>         this era

>         this generation

>                 not that

> oh that i could have lived in Ancient Egypt

> that would be hip

> but you have lived in Ancient Egypt

> oh yeah, i forgot

> got trapped in that

> biological name my generation angst blues

>

> am i in your generation

> sometimes

> am i in my generation

> sometimes

> am i even i let alone

> we we

>

> time for one of those siestas david

> not yet i just woke up

> oh yeah - maybe coffee will help

> where was i

>

> generations

> oh

> older and younger

> that old age gap twisting brains

> Eisenhower evil or still President in my mind

> i was so much older than i'm younger than that now

>

> this morning i feel a good 98 or so

> yesterday had a brief period of 900

> today maybe jump backwards

> following Merlin through time's mist

> and spend an hour or two as

> a twenty-somethinger to see how it fits.

>

> sad sometimes that our connectedness

> gets bracketed by numbers

> on a paper called a birth certificate.

>

> traditions - are they generational?

> depends on which ones i suppose

> it's all been done somewhere between

> Abilene and Ur

> on a windy morning

> or a dark and stormy night

>

> Snoopy kicks me away from the keyboard

> to type an opus

> to the sad corporatism of the Dilbert generation

>

> have fun snoop.

>

> morning all.

>

> david rhaesa

> salina, Kansas

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:58:10 -0500

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From:         Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

We've got BEAT SPIRIT in stock.  There are a number of other new Beat items

available now too... books, videos and a new Kerouac/Cassady T-Shirt which is

pretty cool (the picture taken by Carolyn Cassady that graces the cover of

THE FIRST THIRD).

 

Our new Christmas Catalog is ready to ship next week.  E-mail your snail mail

address or visit our website (www.kerouac.com) or call 1-800-KER-OUAC or fax

(408)-372-1860.

 

Jerry Cimino

Fog City Facts & Fiction

P.O. Box 48

Monterey, CA  93942

1-800-KER-OUAC

www.kerouac.com

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From:         Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: generation x

 

Tyson,

 

I was always under the impression Gen X (as commonly used) referred

specifically to a certain age category.  Your "insert X as a variable

component" and the idea that X is an attitude is a nifty thought, but I don't

think most people view it that way.  Most people see the Volkswagen

commercial - "Duh Duh Duh".

 

Jerry Cimino

Fog City

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:22:50 -0500

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From:         Eric Craig Sapp <ecs4m@SERVER1.MAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Remember Guy Fawkes!

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"A penny for the old guy!"

 

 

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:00:46 BST Tom Harberd

<T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK> wrote:

 

> The fifth of Novemeber... probably doesn't mean much to the

> Americans on the list, but to us Brits... it doesn't really

> mean much either!  But I like to think that Guy Fawkes was

> perhaps one of the first to strike a blow for freedom of the

> individual in this country.

> I think WSB would have appreciated Guido too.  Maybe he did

> (I sorta remember him saying something about it.)

> Anyhow, happy Bonfire Night!

>

> Tom. H.

> http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

> "That's it, I'm done, stick a fork in me."

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:28:45 -0600

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Eric Craig Sapp wrote:

>

> "A penny for the old guy!"

>

> On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:00:46 BST Tom Harberd

> <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK> wrote:

>

> > The fifth of Novemeber... probably doesn't mean much to the

> > Americans on the list, but to us Brits... it doesn't really

> > mean much either!  But I like to think that Guy Fawkes was

> > perhaps one of the first to strike a blow for freedom of the

> > individual in this country.

> > I think WSB would have appreciated Guido too.  Maybe he did

> > (I sorta remember him saying something about it.)

> > Anyhow, happy Bonfire Night!

> >

> > Tom. H.

> > http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

> > "That's it, I'm done, stick a fork in me."

 

GF day is also the day in the book "Mary Poppins Opens the Door".  (a

beat classic <grin>)

 

dbr

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:17:46 -0500

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From:         Tyson Ouellette <Tyson_Ouellette@UMIT.MAINE.EDU>

Organization: University of Maine

Subject:      Re: generation x

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>I was always under the impression Gen X (as commonly used) referred

>specifically to a certain age category.  Your "insert X as a variable

>component" and the idea that X is an attitude is a nifty thought, but I

>don't

>think most people view it that way.  Most people see the Volkswagen

>commercial - "Duh Duh Duh".

 

     that commercial, btw, is the essence of my generation.. kudos to

the brains at VW

     what i said was always mt understanding of generation x, i mean,

it doesn't make much sense to call my generation gen x...  that seems

to be the common conception... i'd like to know who coined the phrase

and the context in which it was used.

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Date:         Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:19:17 -0800

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From:         ANNE ELIZABETH SNEDDON <sneddon@NEVADA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: generation x

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The phrase 'Generation X' comes from the novel (same name....). The name

of the author escapes me (Brett Easton Ellis??) It was an extremely

popular book in the late 80's-early 90's.  I guess this guy singlehandedly

"invented" the whole concept of gen x.

Anne Sneddon

 

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Tyson Ouellette wrote:

 

> >I was always under the impression Gen X (as commonly used) referred

> >specifically to a certain age category.  Your "insert X as a variable

> >component" and the idea that X is an attitude is a nifty thought, but I

> >don't

> >think most people view it that way.  Most people see the Volkswagen

> >commercial - "Duh Duh Duh".

>

>      that commercial, btw, is the essence of my generation.. kudos to

> the brains at VW

>      what i said was always mt understanding of generation x, i mean,

> it doesn't make much sense to call my generation gen x...  that seems

> to be the common conception... i'd like to know who coined the phrase

> and the context in which it was used.

>

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 02:07:06 -0800

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From:         Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>

Subject:      Dharma for breakfast!

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EMPTINESS OF TASTE

        What do Cornflakes & Sugar taste to the wooden bowl? It is only an

arbitrary conception of my solitary taste-organ, my tongue, this "taste"

of Cornflakes & Sugar, the "taste" has no substantiality of existence

outside of my tongue and its taste-mind and its taste-mind...Where does

taste come from? If it came from the tongue only, it wouldnt come from

the cornflakes, then how could you taste cornflakes instead of dry

leaves? If it came from the cornflakes only, how would the tongue tell?

If it came from both, this consciousness of taste, from both tongue and

cornflakes, then where's the dividing line of this split-up

consciousness and where does this arbitrary line go when you're not

tasting anything at all?

 

SOME OF THE DHARMA (p.105)

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:18:36 -0800

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      This Post Says Nothing About Gen X

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Probably nearly a year ago I remember a discussion which raised the

whole question of the relationship between the indigenous San Francisco

poetry scene and the New York Beats in the persons of JK and AG. San

Francisco and Berkeley in the 30-'s and 40's had a bohemia that was a

wonderful mixture of anarchism, pacificism, labor activism and

buddhism.  This was the mileu of Rexroth, Duncan, Lamantia,  Everson ,

Jack Spicer and others.  Reading David Meltzer's interviews with Rexroth

and Everson I was especially struck by Everson's succinct analysis of

this relationship.

>

> William Everson- (Brother Antoninus)-

>

>         That's why I always indentified with the Beat Generation--the point

> you're making just now.  I'd never let any negative aura around the beat

> image deter me from the primacy of that fact.  It put poetry back on

> the platform.  We had been trying for a whole decade to get something

> like the Beat Generation going.  We tried it back in the late forties

> with Rexroth, and were sucessful enough to get attacked in "Harpers" as

> "The New Cult of Sex and Anarchy."  But the nation as a whole wasn't

> ready for it, what with the postwar preoccupation and the cold-war

> freeze.  It took Korea and the second Eisenhower administration to make

> the country ready.  It took the man in the gray flannel suit as the

> national image and the crew cut as the prevailing college mode.  The

> tranquilzed fifties.  I remember that Life magazine titled its big

> feature on the beats "The Only Rebellion Around," almost begging for

> dissent.  Now they've got their belly full of it.

>

>         As I say, out here in SF we were ready for it long before the rest of

> the country, but we couldn't have pulled it off alone.  It took something

> outside ourselves, something from the East Coast to make a true

> "conjuntio oppositorium":, a conjunctionof the opposites.  As it turned out

> Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac provided the ingredients.  They came

> out to San Franciusco and found themselves, and it was their finding

> that sparked us.  Without them it would never have happened.

>

 

J. Stauffer

>

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:09:10 -0500

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From:         Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: generation x

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As far as I know it was Douglas Copeland's books written in the early to

mid eighties.  I think it comes from the one entitled Generation X, though

that may be based on something from his earlier stuff, I'm not

knowledgeable on his dates of publication.  Though people my age

(younger/older) who are stuck in this thing may like to think they're

something special, they're not.  No more than any other and a lot less

that some others, its just a unique time and the first generation to grow

up in and under the influence of a cultural trend that is so wacky it

doesn't have a real name.  It is a generational label not "an attitude".

That's baloney (nothing personal).  Its because this generation hasn't any

sweeping characteristics or attitudes that it has expressed as a whole.

The only thing common is that there is nothing common, hence the variable

label "x".

 

------------------

Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:23:27 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: generation x

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Wasn't "Generation X" written by Douglas Coupland of Shampoo Planet fame?

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:08:51 -0800 from <donahujl@BC.EDU>

 

I think the "Beat Spirit" is a sincere effort and there's no question

that the author knows and understands the works of Burroughs, Ginsberg,

Kerouac and the other authors he draws on.  The bibliographies he

includes are up-to-date and useful.  Nevertheless, a book of this type

seems somewhat of a pradox to me given the Beat Generation's stree on

spontaneity and originality.  Can you strengthen and celebrate your

uniqueness and individuality by following a blueprint?

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:36:48 UT

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

Blueprints are mere guidelines at best.  ask any architect or contractor how

many times blueprints have had to be redrawn for one reason or another during

the construction of a building.

 

i don't know the book, but maybe it's just someone's attempt to explain what

they generally conceive of as Beat qualities?

 

ciao,

sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Bill Gargan

Sent:   Thursday, November 06, 1997 6:35 AM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: what would Kerouac think....

 

I think the "Beat Spirit" is a sincere effort and there's no question

that the author knows and understands the works of Burroughs, Ginsberg,

Kerouac and the other authors he draws on.  The bibliographies he

includes are up-to-date and useful.  Nevertheless, a book of this type

seems somewhat of a pradox to me given the Beat Generation's stree on

spontaneity and originality.  Can you strengthen and celebrate your

uniqueness and individuality by following a blueprint?

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:44:11 -0500

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      The highway's calling....

 

Dear friends,

well, i'm off this weekend and i'm thrilled about it. just thought i'd let

the list know how happy i am to be hitting the pavement in just a few hours.

my sister and i are driving up to pensacola for the weekend. it should be a

real good time. just wanted to let you all know in case anyone would need me.

BTW, Marie, the money's in the mail, and Gerry, the t-shirts arrived safe and

sound. I love them! Okay, have a wondeful weekend kiddos. Take it easy,

~~Marlene

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From:         Tom <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

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BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU,.Internet writes:

>     I wonder what gave you the impression that Jack wasn't fond of

>homosexuals.

 

He did say in On The Road that he used to wander around with a gun, and when

peeople came up to him in toilets he'd threaten them with it in case they were

homosexuals.

 

Tom. H.

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:56:00 -0500

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From:         "L.W. Deal" <RoadSide6@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: generation x

 

The author of the superslick superstupid superselling novel _Generation X_

was one Douglas Coupland.

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Date:         Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:03:31 -0500

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From:         "L.W. Deal" <RoadSide6@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: generation x

 

In a message dated 97-11-05 19:50:26 EST, Tyson writes:

 

<<     I think that, in this discussion, there is a misconception about

 what gen x is.  it's not the young generation now, it isn't defined by

 age; gen x is more an "attitude," an inability to categorize oneself

 within any one generational tendency.  dig what i'm saying?  that's why

 it's gen X, x is the unknown variable in a manner of speaking.  That

 sound right?

  >>

 

Agreed, completely with your comment Tyson. However, I see the whole tag

"GenX" as nothing more than the media's constant insatiable urge to

categorize.... I dunno, the whole thing bores me all to hell.  The term Gen X

comes originally not from Coupland's book but rather, 'twas the name of a

rather energetic (and quite good for its time) band headed by none other than

that snarling blondie Billy Idol -- hehe.  Let's all rent "Reality Bites" and

see our so-called lives lived out before us by those foxes Ethan Hawke &

Winona Ryder <wink wink>

 

 

Blah blah blah...

 

Kisses & Starfishes.

 

        "...and a . . . nurse, giving me a sleeping pill, says I can't sleep because

of a guilty conscience concerning the...Church; of course I can sleep, I want

free goofballs; of course I'm guilty, I'm after knowledge not salvation..."

Jack Kerouac

 



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