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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

 

Can't find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding

JK's being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew of

any books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before  (and

during) the writing of any particular book.  this would be a fascinating and

illuminating study.  anyone on the list ever done any such research?

 

ciao,  sherri

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Subject:      December Cover of the Month now posted!

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>Thanks to Rinaldo Rasa for his scan of On the Road from Italy to be found at:

 

   http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html

 

 

                    Thanks! Paul...

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      finished draft: in somnia

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i know that there are differing opinions about posting poetry to the

list, but since i have brought you all along through the valley of

revision, i thought i'd take you to the final destination:

(mailer won't center, best read centered on page)

 

  Insominiac Quartet

 

I

DAY FOUR: In Somnia

 

       for the fourth day

       in the fourth year

       up here in north country

    each autumn

       i dwell in the land of

       in Somnia.

 

       in Somnia,

       the rules change:

       clocks run backwards

       as

       fast as ahead

       and collide,

       like two perfectly balanced arrows

       two exquistely aimed arrorws

       meeting in mid flight -

 

    time

       collapses.

 

       i=92ve tried

       doctors pills,

          herbal remedies,

       warm milk!

       relaxation, meditation

       chants!

       (and furtive readings from the =91self help=92

       corner of local bookstore )

 

            nothing changes.

       except, 96 hours into

       black night slowly

       inching its way to dawn,

       i look out my window

       and

       see the first snow fall

       of autumn.

 

   i watch the snow fall

and muse upon my hepatitis C,

a life line without guarrentee,

       a reminder of mortality.

 

       i

       would like to think

 the gods are smiling on me,

       giving me more time

       to store up against an early death;

       so charged,

       writing always becomes electric,

       a force of its own :

       vowels

       consonants

       metaphors

       voices

    ring in my head,

 

       so i spend time with poets

       who would rather

       stay dead:

 

       Woolfe, Sexton, Plath

       (i=92ve often wondered if i=92d follow your path),

 

      or that of ti Jean,

       Kerouac :

       it=92s a critical mass:

       one can drown in water, or in wine,

       nothing sublime about that.

 

       is it an affliction,

       these extra hours,

       dark, quiet, soft snow falling

 

       or gift?

       (these extra hours

       dark, quiet, soft snow falling)

 

       i wonder in the dark, quiet, snow falling

       hours as the horizon point is touched by flame

 

       i=92m still awake

       when daybreak changes snow to rain

       snow washed away

       in to the rain

 

       i=92m still awake

 

       i=92m still awake

 

       i=92m still awake

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~

II

FLASHBACK: 1993

 

      lately i just keep waking

        lately i just keep waking alone

       in the black of night

       i breathe shallow i wear earphones

       not to wake you

 

not to wake you

       i breathe shallowly

       3 am 4 am

       mind wanders and stumbles

        stuck in the valley of consciousness

       black timelessness,

        i don=92t

       think of tomorrow, rather

       merge with the blackness

       listen to the burning

       fire

       in my ears,  break free      --the passions bursts! in my ears,

       and turning,

       turn up the volume on the

       sobbing stereo wailing

       i make my choice

       light the candle

       shed my

       clothes

       twirl on the balls of my

       feet and let

       my hips find their own rhythm

       scarf in hand,

      flung swirls, settles

       the lamp shadows cast,

       i dance to my anima,

       shadow cast

        i ride the fiddles

       in the midst of hurricane

       a halcyon dance.

 

       go away if it bothers you, in fact

       please go away.

       its the blackness you see

       the blackness and me

      everybody nobody knows about me

       nobody everybody

       knows about me

       the song

       the vigil

the darkness in me

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

III

DAY FIVE:  dance

 

    in camplight

    all others ringed round the fire asleep

    i steal the ceiling of stars, sleepless,

cold, and  needing a  blanket around my shoulders.

 

 i sit and bend towards fire

   sweat raises on shoulders

   firelight warmth

    sudden gust of cold, then icy fire:

    he appears

    my wolf, my angst,

my anima, lover--

 

    and the firelight

    turns to music

    sweat raises to shoulders

    and muscles obey

 

    running electric alive currents!

    (to all casual eyes

    i dance alone in the desert)

 

    oh please,

    oh please,

   - hear me hear out my story-

    because you were in it-

you,

    alive!

you,

 alive!

 

    who are you?

     adversary?

     brother?

    killer?

    life giver?

 

who?

 

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

NIGHT SEVEN:  in dreamless nights

 

    in dreams, i remember flying over the old spartan homelands

   -the freedom

    -the altitiude

    -my shadow cast on the hillscapes-

feathers delineated in shadow shapes

     windspread wide and proud.

 

    i no longer dream of flying,

    i no longer dream at all.

 

    (I hail from the country of In Somnia

    I=92m only here to gather some ingredients:

    bane of darkness

    wort of light

    bones of a robin)

 

    [the condescending smile of an eye

     as i beg for help,

    condescending incomprehending eye]

 

    so rejected,

    i choose to stop such public presentations

    i choose to live here in my palace,

   peopled by imagination.

    who is to say which is which?

 corporeal or ethereal?

 

      laid awake for so many of my days

 the return to the land of  sleep

and the company of sleepers

an impossiblity

 

i pray for my dreamweaver

to come

where i lie, invisible to the naked i

still and quiet in the darkness of the darkest night of all,

 

to see you coming in the darkness, dreamweaver.

 

    i see you pick up this paper, blessed by tears and torn

    by desperations,

    i see you pick it up, it feels good, oh yes it does, so pliable,

    feel me,

    i=92m in your pocket

    i=92m here;

    you awaken....

 

  oct. 24-30, 1997

revised 11/11/97

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Sherri,

 

        John Hasbrouck, a Beat lister from Chicago and one of our resident

blues guitarists, has been long at work dooing a chronological read of all

extant Beat material - letterss, texts, etc. - and may be able to point us

to something like you're looking for.  John?

 

        Antoine

 

                ****************

 

from Sherri:

 

>Can't find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding

>JK's being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew of

>any books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before  (and

>during) the writing of any particular book.  this would be a fascinating and

>illuminating study.  anyone on the list ever done any such research?

>

>ciao,  sherri

>

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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From:         "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject:      Re: Kerouac and Reading (was Re: GAN)

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On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Paul A. Maher Jr. wrote:

> >I thought it was about what he "read" and not what he "heard."

paul -

yes it was. BUT i think that an author like kerouac, an author who put so

much stock in rhythm and sound of words who was so influenced by the

musical in text (for instance the improv of his breatpocket notebook

poems, riffing in a certain space) means that kerouac cannot solely be

examined in terms of written "text" & not only that but i sought to expand

the definition of "text" here on beat-L by introducing the idea of text as

being anything that is recieved.

yrs

derek

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Jack's reading list - John Hasbrouck?

 

thanks Antoine.  how bout it John?

 

ciao, sherri

 

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Subject:        Re: Jack's reading list - John Hasbrouck?

 

Sherri,

 

        John Hasbrouck, a Beat lister from Chicago and one of our resident

blues guitarists, has been long at work dooing a chronological read of all

extant Beat material - letterss, texts, etc. - and may be able to point us

to something like you're looking for.  John?

 

        Antoine

 

                ****************

 

from Sherri:

 

>Can't find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding

>JK's being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew of

>any books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before  (and

>during) the writing of any particular book.  this would be a fascinating and

>illuminating study.  anyone on the list ever done any such research?

>

>ciao,  sherri

>

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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Date:         Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:53:11 +0000

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From:         John Hasbrouck <jhasbro@TEZCAT.COM>

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Dear Sherri, Antoine, et. al.,

 

Good question! Doing a study of an author's reading list is a very cool

idea. I glanced at a full-length, scholarly book on Thoreau's reading,

though I didn't have the gumption to pursue it. I know of no better

readily available source for learning what Kerouac was reading at

specific points in his life than Nicosia's MEMORY BABE.

 

My opinion is that Kerouac was very suggestible and that his writing was

easily influenced by his reading. He tended to be imitative of what he

was reading. I believe that he developed his own voice very gradually,

and became fully mature in this regard perhaps only very late in his

career - when he was, sadly, tired and loaded.

 

It's an accepted critical notion that THE TOWN AND THE CITY was

imitative of Thomas Wolfe. (Reread the second sentence in that book for

a perfect example of over-writing.) Of course Kerouac's genius begins to

be evident in ON THE ROAD, but can we imagine Jack writing like that

without taking into account his correspondence with Neal Cassady? Jack

was blown away not only by Neal's talk, but also by the fact that NEAL

COULD WRITE THE WAY HE TALKED. And it is Neal's voice that is the basic

model for the prose style of ON THE ROAD. VISIONS OF CODY of course

transcended this imitative bent and is a better book (though it is, of

course, Jack's attempt at writing his own ULYSSES.)

 

Now I expect to be flamed here, but I think a lot of Jack's Buddhist

writing is an embarrassing imitation of the antique translations found

in Dwight Goddard's BUDDHIST BIBLE. And Jack's philosophizing in SOME OF

THE DHARMA is so much freshman rhetoric (for my money, anyway...tho I

admit I haven't read SOTD all the way through.)

 

Strangely, I think Jack's most personal voice comes through in VANITY OF

DULUOZ and BIG SUR, though these books, (like all of 'em), are heavily

flawed. I remember reading that Jack was reading Pascal around the time

he wrote VOD.

 

Try reading THE TOWN AND THE CITY and VANITY OF DULUOZ, (which cover

almost the same time periods in Jack's life), back to back, and the

essense of Kerouac - and the evolution of his writing style - will hit

you like a freight train.

 

Gotta go...I'm at work.

 

love, john h.

--

 

 

*** JOHN HASBROUCK

*** Graphic Design & Fingerstyle Guitar in Chicago

*** http://www.tezcat.com/~jhasbro

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In an earlier GAN post Bill Gargan refers to the possible influence of

Dos Passos on JK and others.  This has intrigued me also.  Does anyone

recall any references of Jacks to John DP?  It seems so obvious, the

same way one wouldn't need to have evidence that Jack was influenced by

Thomas Wolfe, but it would be nice to have some evidence.

 

J. Stauffer

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>feeling the stings of arrows. you are a valuable member of the list,

>even

>though you feel under attack right now.

>i am very sorry that you misread my post, (i think that's what happend)

>in friendship if this is possible,

>mc(not a fascist)

 

      thanks for the kind words.. i think we should just chalk it up to

another case of foot in mouth, and move on.  i don't know what caused

me to go on the defense, must've been stressed or something.  thanks

for tolerating me.

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> RACE wrote:

 

> Where does one start?  Perhaps with the beginnings of Queer as it has

> been mentioned several times of late.

>

> Any takers?

 

As I remember from reading the intro to Queer a while back, it is not

that long.  For those of us that no longer have the book handy, could

someone just start posting a few passages or a paragraph at a time so we

could all discuss it together?

DC

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: mr maher's narcissim

 

okay you guys,

i don't know why this is continuing. i don't want to come out and say, i'm

the one whose poem was mocked, let me fight it out, because i don't seriously

care. it is sherri and i who should be coming forth. i appreciate you all for

telling paul to cool it and remember people's feelings, but i think its a

waste of time. of course it bothered me, but it didn't keep me up all night.

Listen, i have faith in my abilities. i like my poetry, i like my style. i

use my angst. i am a teenager. paul is free to say what he wishes. honestly i

feel flattered that he spent time with my poem coming up with his version.

i'm aware of cruelty in this world. but i take things in stride. i was angry

and resentful, but now i simply don't care. please guys don't continue this

ridiculous thread. its done, Mr. Maher has acted i have reacted. Now all i

ask of him is to post poetry of his so i can have a crack at him. Ha ha!

Seriously folks, this isn't important. I'm not hurt. don't waste your breath.

get back to the beat.....the beat...the beat...

 

                                             ~~Marlene

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>I've corresponded some with RW recently.  I sent him my little ditty

>"Gang of One" that i'd posted on the Beat-L.  Not having been around

>when the RW history happened I had no real idea of the fact that folks

>had reacted against his writing.  I'm certainly glad that the atmosphere

>has changed with regards to such matters.  So who is gonna invite Ron

>back?

 

     not having seen that whole thing either i have no idea what you're

talking about.  though i have heard the name before.  reacted against

his writing?  anyone have samples of this writing? Always interested in

seeing a piece of writing that has the ability to ruffle feathers.

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: The highway's calling....

 

In a message dated 97-11-11 09:02:35 EST, you write:

 

<< Any good road stories?

 

 david rhaesa

 salina, Kansas >>

 

sorry david....wish i did.....got stuck in a little nothing town called

niceville. ever pass through niceville in north florida? i don't reccomend

it. was accosted by come bible thumping christians (hope i didn't offend

anyone) okay not accosted maybe pentacosted. ha! well i'm in the works of

some more car poetry....trip inspired i'll post that soon. Do i dare?!

   what the hell....i dare!       take it easy all.

muchos carinos,

                            ~~Marlene

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Tyson,

 

That's an impressive statement.  We all hate to back down--yet to do so

when you need to shows class. We could all take a lesson.

 

J. Stauffer

 

Tyson Ouellette wrote:

 

 

>       thanks for the kind words.. i think we should just chalk it up to

> another case of foot in mouth, and move on.  i don't know what caused

> me to go on the defense, must've been stressed or something.  thanks

> for tolerating me.

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> So why do things like this sound so much more

>profound when set to music--i.e., to a certain rhythm and tempo? Is this

>gain in profundity just an illusion, or does it *really* add another

>meaningful dimension? I'm beginning to think that it does really add

>something important, that is not reducible to simple semantic meaning.

 

     music is a powerful entity in itself, it's healing, it sings the

rhythyms of the soul, very spiritual,  whether it's mozart or

metallica.  now when tou combine words and music, the words it seems

have a free ride to your subconscious.  how much easier it is to

reiterate a song than words alone, preserving timing, etc.  because it

takes a different path to whatever regions of your mind it goes to,

maybe it penetrates further tht way.  i find the same for music

enhanced by words, music alone doesn't get in there as quickly and

strongly as music with words.  that was part of the reason i mentioned

a progression in literature that combines prose, poetry, music... i

think we'll have to incorporate the visual arts also, again, not merely

an illustrated book, but more fully melded.

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> Jeff Taylor wrote:

 

> So what do we want? A great novel by an American, or a great novel

> about

> that "greatest of all human themes" no matter who it may be written by?

 

I don't think we have set up a mutually exclusive situation.  Great

literature will be seen as great no matter the country of origin of the

writer.  But an American who internalizes the American consciousness in

his work will produce something far different than, for example, an

Englishman/woman.  I don't see how the fact that America is diverse would

prevent that from happening. It also has to deal with beginning with the

local and moving from there to the universal.  No writer can ever

separate himself totally from his personal experience no matter how much

his/her art stands alone as great art.  Shakespeare wrote about the

"greatest of human themes" but he was also a product of Elizabethan

England.  The thinking implied in the words "great American"

doesn't imply that America must produce something great because the

country is seen by many as the greatest (like a built-in gene), only that

given the cycles inherent in things, it is time for a new genius to arise

from this country.  It also doesn't mean that the writer won't leave

America.  Even though Joyce's themes and knowledge was universal he wrote

adeptly about the Irish, in spite of the fact that most of his adult life

was lived elsewhere.

DC

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>musical in text (for instance the improv of his breatpocket notebook

>poems, riffing in a certain space) means that kerouac cannot solely be

>examined in terms of written "text" & not only that but i sought to

>expand

>the definition of "text" here on beat-L by introducing the idea of text

>as

>being anything that is recieved.

 

     also keep in mind jack's franco youth, french was spoken all the

time.  english was more or less his second language, even though he

spoke it from a young age because of the non-french presence in

lowell..  but in what is essentially a french mill town (speaking from

my own experience) and being franco in that environment, franco

language and thought patterns are the ever present influence, and there

is quite a superiority complex of sorts among the french towards the

non-franco in their community, which serves only to reinforce the

influence.  and so the english language takes on aspects that people

who were raised in purely english speaking non-traditional, fairly

unethnic environments.  one really sees it quite differentlly.  it's

not that the franco-effected individual disrespects the english

language, but is more naturally disposed, i think, to pushing and

twisting it as far as he can manage..  from early on you learn to make

the most out of the fewest english words, and that trend continues,

even once you've grasped all the subtleties of the english language.

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From:         Tyson Ouellette <Tyson_Ouellette@UMIT.MAINE.EDU>

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>Perhaps one day all of us may become known as the "Intuitionists."

>We'll be in the history books, the english books and be required reading

>for college freshman english courses.  We'll have our own section in the

>syllabus!  Dream dream dream....

 

     groovy, just remember who coined the term.  hehe..

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>of course it bothered me, but it didn't keep me up all night.

>Listen, i have faith in my abilities. i like my poetry, i like my

>style. i

>use my angst. i am a teenager. paul is free to say what he wishes.

>honestly i

>feel flattered that he spent time with my poem coming up with his

>version.

>i'm aware of cruelty in this world. but i take things in stride.

 

     well then, i commend your demeanor.. many teenagers wouldn't take

in stride what you did.  my hat off to you, criticism and praise can be

vices, good to see you're keeping your head about it.

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thanks diane. my copy appears to have been 'borrowed' and the library copy

is stolen

mc

 

Diane Carter wrote:

 

> > RACE wrote:

>

> > Where does one start?  Perhaps with the beginnings of Queer as it has

> > been mentioned several times of late.

> >

> > Any takers?

>

> As I remember from reading the intro to Queer a while back, it is not

> that long.  For those of us that no longer have the book handy, could

> someone just start posting a few passages or a paragraph at a time so we

> could all discuss it together?

> DC

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Hi Paul,

 

        I visited Kerouac Quarterly site again this morning and it's

certainly expanded! - nice. However, I was getting Netscape errors, perhaps

because as a neo-luddite I'm still using version 2.0. Also the jpeg of

Rinaldo's cover of On the Road would not load completely...just got a

heavily pixellated view. Is that also my version of Netscape or are others

having similar problems? ...anyone else?

 

        I took a copy of the jpeg and it seems to be partial interlaced image.

 

        I also downloaded Bob Martin's song about Stella Kerouac - I'll go

back to sample the others.

 

        Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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i used memory babe as reference and came up with the following references

to dos passos (hi james!)

 

p87: (early college years)"for a while jack, along with the others tried

writing like joyce. eventually most of them settled for imitating dos

passos whose style seemed a compromise between joyce's extreme discipline

and wolfe's veerbal abandon....althogh jack admitted wolf's flaws, wolfe

remained his literary god.

ps 497: of course partly jack was excited to contact the wobblies, whose

exploits had been so gloriously chronicled by dos passos..

p79(back to roots again) that sumer sammy and jack were reading dos

passos' usa trilogy and manhatten transfer, and joyc's a portrait of the

artist as a young man..

p 344kerouca's cadallac limosine covers much the same territory as

whitman's horse-trolley. yet on the road has often ben attacked for being

outside any recognizable american literary tradition, even thou in the use

of an idiomatic american diction kerouac follows, among others, twain jack

london james farrel and dos passos...

p345: doubtless as a tip off to their influence, kerouac employs many

distinctive words and epithets of london and dos passo such as the use of

bo for hobo, chi for chicago and yare for yes..not only do london and dos

passos make frequent use of the phrase 'on the road' but both refer to

buming across country as 'beating one's way' a fact that casts new light

on the origin of the term 'beat generation, especially kerouac spoke of

'beating his way' in letters

 

James Stauffer wrote:

 

> In an earlier GAN post Bill Gargan refers to the possible influence of

> Dos Passos on JK and others.  This has intrigued me also.  Does anyone

> recall any references of Jacks to John DP?  It seems so obvious, the

> same way one wouldn't need to have evidence that Jack was influenced by

> Thomas Wolfe, but it would be nice to have some evidence.

>

> J. Stauffer

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Subject:      Re: to tyson

 

hey tywon, it's cool happens to all of us at various points along the way.

 

ciao,

sherri

 

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Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:57 AM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: to tyson

 

>feeling the stings of arrows. you are a valuable member of the list,

>even

>though you feel under attack right now.

>i am very sorry that you misread my post, (i think that's what happend)

>in friendship if this is possible,

>mc(not a fascist)

 

      thanks for the kind words.. i think we should just chalk it up to

another case of foot in mouth, and move on.  i don't know what caused

me to go on the defense, must've been stressed or something.  thanks

for tolerating me.

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Marie Countryman wrote:

 

> i used memory babe as reference and came up with the following

> references

> to dos passos (hi james!)

>

> p87: (early college years)"for a while jack, along with the others

> tried

> writing like joyce. eventually most of them settled for imitating dos

> passos whose style seemed a compromise between joyce's extreme

> discipline

> and wolfe's veerbal abandon....althogh jack admitted wolf's flaws,

> wolfe

> remained his literary god.

> ps 497: of course partly jack was excited to contact the wobblies,

> whose

> exploits had been so gloriously chronicled by dos passos..

> p79(back to roots again) that sumer sammy and jack were reading dos

> passos' usa trilogy and manhatten transfer, and joyc's a portrait of

> the

> artist as a young man..

> p 344kerouca's cadallac limosine covers much the same territory as

> whitman's horse-trolley. yet on the road has often ben attacked for

> being

> outside any recognizable american literary tradition, even thou in the

> use

> of an idiomatic american diction kerouac follows, among others, twain

> jack

> london james farrel and dos passos...

> p345: doubtless as a tip off to their influence, kerouac employs many

> distinctive words and epithets of london and dos passo such as the use

> of

> bo for hobo, chi for chicago and yare for yes..not only do london and

> dos

> passos make frequent use of the phrase 'on the road' but both refer to

>

> buming across country as 'beating one's way' a fact that casts new

> light

> on the origin of the term 'beat generation, especially kerouac spoke

> of

> 'beating his way' in letters

>

> James Stauffer wrote:

>

> > In an earlier GAN post Bill Gargan refers to the possible influence

> of

> > Dos Passos on JK and others.  This has intrigued me also.  Does

> anyone

> > recall any references of Jacks to John DP?  It seems so obvious, the

>

> > same way one wouldn't need to have evidence that Jack was influenced

> by

> > Thomas Wolfe, but it would be nice to have some evidence.

> >

> > J. Stauffer

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At 08:25 AM 11/11/97 -0700, you wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Paul A. Maher Jr. wrote:

>> >I thought it was about what he "read" and not what he "heard."

>paul -

>yes it was. BUT i think that an author like kerouac, an author who put so

>much stock in rhythm and sound of words who was so influenced by the

>musical in text (for instance the improv of his breatpocket notebook

>poems, riffing in a certain space) means that kerouac cannot solely be

>examined in terms of written "text" & not only that but i sought to expand

>the definition of "text" here on beat-L by introducing the idea of text as

>being anything that is recieved.

>yrs

>derek

>Kerouac had to arrive at what he accomplished with "riffing" when he

emulated beforehand the various literary influences he had read throughout

his youth and young adult-hood. Just as he had to learn English before he

could write fluently in the language...surely there are stages of writing

necessary before one can arrive with a breakthrough that you can call your

own. I was remarking earlier on his influences as a writer in general and

not refinement of his technique. P.

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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At 12:23 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Paul,

>

>        I visited Kerouac Quarterly site again this morning and it's

>certainly expanded! - nice. However, I was getting Netscape errors, perhaps

>because as a neo-luddite I'm still using version 2.0. Also the jpeg of

>Rinaldo's cover of On the Road would not load completely...just got a

>heavily pixellated view. Is that also my version of Netscape or are others

>having similar problems? ...anyone else?

>

>        I took a copy of the jpeg and it seems to be partial interlaced image.

>

>        I also downloaded Bob Martin's song about Stella Kerouac - I'll go

>back to sample the others.

>

>        Antoine

> Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

>cease to be amused."

>Go to Netscape and dowload for free the newest version. That is what I have

used for the web page and seems to need at least that for the nuances of the

page. Thanks, Paul...

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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If any beat-l members are subscribers to ESPN sportszone (unfortunately

I'm not), there's a column about Kerouac and his days as a promising

halfback. The story is for subscribers only, and if anyone out there has

access to the story I'm sure the list would appreciate yr posting it on

beat-l. Here's where to go:

 

http://espn.sportszone.com/premium/gen/columns/isaacs/00447592.html

 

Adrien

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From:         Glenn Cooper <coopergw@MPX.COM.AU>

Subject:      Greatest Novels ...

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At 22:31 10/11/97 -0500, you wrote:

>I don't know about "great" but there are some American Novels that

>profoundly shaped my way of looking at reality.  Some aren't really

>novels even.  But, from the time I was about 16 to 24 or so, those

>were, in a general order of discovery:

>

>The Good Earth

>Catch 22

>Slaughterhouse 5

>Moby Dick

>Trout Fishing in America

>A Confederate General in Big Sur (?)

>Thomas Wolfe's work

>Bob Dylan  (I saw it in a different light after reading Wolfe)

>Jack Kerouac

>V

>The Crying of Lot 49

>Phillip Dick's Science Fiction work

>T S Eliot

>Ginsberg

>Studs Turkle (sp?)

>The Last Tycoon (Fitzgerald's unfinished novel)

>Michener

>

>I think I stuck to American writers there, but maybe not.

>

>Outside of America, in order as I recall:

>

>Dickens

>Shakespear

>The Kazamarov Brothers (sp)

>Steppenwolf

>I, Claudius

>The White Goddess

>King Jesus

>Tom Jones (came to it rather late for some reason)

>

>I think that at various times I have imagined the GAN, but I am not

>sure that a writer can capture the spirit of America in one book.  If

>there is one, I think it would be Of Time and the River by Wolfe.  It

>is a hard read, but it captures the spirit best of anything that I

>have read.  My second choice would be Dharma Bums, although, I think

>The Last Tycoon is a masterpiece that did not receive its just due.

>

 

Yes, let's not restrict ourselves to American novels. I'd be interested in

hearing what others think are the greatest novels they've read, American or

otherwise.

 

Here's my (short) list:

 

The Stranger (aka The Outsider)  -- Camus

The Demon  -- Hubert Selby

The Room -- Hubert Selby

Naked Lunch -- WSB

Hunger -- Knut Hamsun

Great Gatsby -- Fitzgerald

Notes From The Underground -- Dosty

 

I think Selby is incredibly under-appreciated. I think he's a master. I

also think Alexander Trocchi's book "Young Adam" deserves an honourable

mention, but that just might be the existentialist in me talking!

 

Glenn C.

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Subject:      Re: Interest from the Illiterate  Re: The Great American Novel

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well, i like my ocean idea as well, but now we have to classify it,

and then name it, and then assign it a place in relation to all

other oceans...does it ever stop?

j donahue

 

On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Tyson Ouellette wrote:

 

> >well, i like the idea, but why a stream?  wouldnt an ocean be a

> >better metaphor?  rather than linear, it is infested with cross-

> >currents, but all contained somehow in this great expanse...

> >just a thought.

>

>      definitely... i'm a victim of writing e-mail on the fly, without

> thinking about what i write before i write it... ocean is definitely

> better.

>

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Kathleen Beres wrote:

>

> well, i like my ocean idea as well, but now we have to classify it,

> and then name it, and then assign it a place in relation to all

> other oceans...does it ever stop?

> j donahue

 

don't forget how many paragraphs between El Nino effects!

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

>

> On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Tyson Ouellette wrote:

>

> > >well, i like the idea, but why a stream?  wouldnt an ocean be a

> > >better metaphor?  rather than linear, it is infested with cross-

> > >currents, but all contained somehow in this great expanse...

> > >just a thought.

> >

> >      definitely... i'm a victim of writing e-mail on the fly, without

> > thinking about what i write before i write it... ocean is definitely

> > better.

> >

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Adrien Begrand wrote:

>

> Jack Kerouac on classic 'structured' poetry:

>

>         "Our savants all have bad taste.---Imagine Robt.Frost being better

 than

> Thoreau, because of a few verse tricks.---I can take out a ruler and

> measure too. I can even tell you how high a tree is by use of

> geometry.---This makes me Archimedes? Lines make a poem?---I've seen

> true poems in the middle of formless fortunate explanations, heard them

> in the street & admired & forget them right there. Robert me No

> Frost---Penn Warren me no more---" (Some Of The Dharma, p.120)

>

> This was written in early fall 1954, right when Allen Ginsberg was

> starting to follow Jack's example, to avoid the middle of the road and

> head for the ditch (sorry, that's a Neil Young quote!).

>

> Adrien

 

This reminds me of talking with folks during graduate school somewhere

sometime (i think) about assignments to read Heidegger.  Their heads

were all contorted from trying to process the information and calculate

the strings of thought and evidently my head did not appear contorted.

When asked why -- i just said it's poetic philosophy don't try to turn

it into something it ain't.  Lines.  Definitely they can appear

anywhere.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Subject:      Re: Jack's reading list - John Hasbrouck?

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I must say I really enjoyed this post.  I think there are a number of good

observations and insights.

 

I remember back about 10 years ago when I had access to a great university

library and had a lot of time to read and study i was reading kerouac and

others (Joyce especially) and was checking out failry obscure books on Joyce

and Finnegans Wake.  In reading them i really got a sense of deja vu at

times having to do with kerouac's stuff.  I got the feeling that kerouac had

been there before in terms of these obscure tomes and I saw it reflected in

Visions of Cody and Dr. Sax.  I have no notes from back then and remember

few details.  I think one book was Skeleton Guide (by Joseph Campbell and

Robinson)to Finnegans Wake.  (I remember I had an idea to jot down all the

coincidences I was seeing but nothing ever came of it).

 

Also I felt that Pic and the vernacular he used to try and write it were

inspired by Zora Neale Hurston.  I felt he read her books as well.  I think

the similarity in the vernacular prose and later (I've mentioned this

before) the use of Moultrie as last name for the Sal character in the dry

runs for On the Road could come from something mentioned in Their Eyes Were

watching God by Hurston.  This was the ame time frame he was writing Pic

and the various dry runs or false starts for On the Road.

 

I think around that time he was reading and writing and learning at a fast

rate and absorbing.  I'd agree that later he reached a more personal voice

in the later books.  I might even begin with Desolation Angels where he got

to that point.

 

I also won't flame you about Some of the Dharma because I tend to agree with

you.  But at the same time it was not freshman rhetoric of 1954 but would be

of today.  I think that Goddard's Buddhist Bible was cited as a key

reference book he found about Buddhism.  Also he may have translated some

french tests on Buddhism.  Some of the Dharma becomes intriguing not as a

Buddhist textbook but as a Kerouac piece.

 

At 09:53 AM 11/11/97 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear Sherri, Antoine, et. al.,

>

>Good question! Doing a study of an author's reading list is a very cool

>idea. I glanced at a full-length, scholarly book on Thoreau's reading,

>though I didn't have the gumption to pursue it. I know of no better

>readily available source for learning what Kerouac was reading at

>specific points in his life than Nicosia's MEMORY BABE.

>

>My opinion is that Kerouac was very suggestible and that his writing was

>easily influenced by his reading. He tended to be imitative of what he

>was reading. I believe that he developed his own voice very gradually,

>and became fully mature in this regard perhaps only very late in his

>career - when he was, sadly, tired and loaded.

>

>It's an accepted critical notion that THE TOWN AND THE CITY was

>imitative of Thomas Wolfe. (Reread the second sentence in that book for

>a perfect example of over-writing.) Of course Kerouac's genius begins to

>be evident in ON THE ROAD, but can we imagine Jack writing like that

>without taking into account his correspondence with Neal Cassady? Jack

>was blown away not only by Neal's talk, but also by the fact that NEAL

>COULD WRITE THE WAY HE TALKED. And it is Neal's voice that is the basic

>model for the prose style of ON THE ROAD. VISIONS OF CODY of course

>transcended this imitative bent and is a better book (though it is, of

>course, Jack's attempt at writing his own ULYSSES.)

>

>Now I expect to be flamed here, but I think a lot of Jack's Buddhist

>writing is an embarrassing imitation of the antique translations found

>in Dwight Goddard's BUDDHIST BIBLE. And Jack's philosophizing in SOME OF

>THE DHARMA is so much freshman rhetoric (for my money, anyway...tho I

>admit I haven't read SOTD all the way through.)

>

>Strangely, I think Jack's most personal voice comes through in VANITY OF

>DULUOZ and BIG SUR, though these books, (like all of 'em), are heavily

>flawed. I remember reading that Jack was reading Pascal around the time

>he wrote VOD.

>

>Try reading THE TOWN AND THE CITY and VANITY OF DULUOZ, (which cover

>almost the same time periods in Jack's life), back to back, and the

>essense of Kerouac - and the evolution of his writing style - will hit

>you like a freight train.

>

>Gotta go...I'm at work.

>

>love, john h.

>--

>

>

>*** JOHN HASBROUCK

>*** Graphic Design & Fingerstyle Guitar in Chicago

>*** http://www.tezcat.com/~jhasbro

>

>

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Subject:      Ron Whitehead

 

I invited Ron to come back as soon as he liked when he left.  I think he may re

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Subject:      Another Kerouac and The Great American novel

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As responses to my first post about the possibility, let me rephrase my

question (i feel many people misunderstood me):

 

        If Jack kerouac's spirit has been reincarnated into another body

(Jack himself believed in reincarnation (je pense)), what would he be

doing in modern times?  Would he be a writer?  Would he be famous?  Would

he be a director?

 

I didn't intend for people to write back saying "There will never be

another Kerouac, get over it."  I just wanted to see what you all think.

 

 

THE GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL

 

I think it is important to rate books.  Someone wrote "I read everything."

It is impossible to read EVERYTHING, so we must edit our list of things to

read.  It is important to say "this is better than that."  There is a lot

of crappy literature out there, and i don't want to waste my life reading

it.  A few days a go i had a discussion with my creative writing professor

(the poet Peter Cooley) and i told him that i don't want to read anything

that doesn't change my life, and i still feel this way.  Great literature

changes our lives.  I've been feeling lonely lately because i've been

reading Look Homeward, Angel.  the most tender book i've ever read.  (i

may even argue that it is the GAN.  And i do read essays (im a philosophy

major, dammit) and i think Thomas Wolfe's essay, "God's lonely man" from

the Hills Beyond is absolutely beautiful.  Great literature tells us

something about ourselves.  It pulls something out of the great ocean of

unconscious and puts it right in front of our eyes.

 

Other recommendations for the GAN:

 

Visons of Cody (hell, the book's dedication page reads: "Dedicated to

America, whatever that is)

 

Gatsby (the tragic destruction of the American Dream)

 

On the Road (finding meaning in an America which found its dream

destroyed)

 

Last Tycoon (god damn, i wish this book was finished--that is tragic

enough to put this one up there)

 

In Our Time (Hemingway's best.  Maybe not a novel defined by conventional

means, but it is wonderful)

 

 

 

and im sure there more but my memories shot.

 

-matt

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Thanks for this post.  I'll go and check Gerry's footnotes and see if I can tak

e it any further.

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I tend to think in terms of authors rather than books, but there are

exceptions I guess.  Usually an author and his or her entire oeuvre are

worth reading if one book is a "classic" or immortal or really really good

or whatever we want to call it.

 

I remember when I was young (I mean 19, 20) I thought there was the big 5:

Joyce, Kerouac, Celine, Miller and Burroughs.  I was taking a creative

writing class back then and mentioned this to an older fellow (older then,

he was probably as old as I am now, mid thirties).  He answered: "yeah, all

the weirdos".

 

I didn't think of them as weirdos per se but just who I was keen on.  Now I

would only include Kerouac and Joyce in the big group.

 

It is hard to say why one author or book might do something for one peron

but not another and any of these lists will end up like that.  But at the

same time there can be appreciation of work that doesn't do "it" for you

but does it for someone else.  For example people have mentioned Heminhway

and Fitzgerald.  I remember they made us read A Clean Well Lighted Place and

the Old Man and the Sea and they made us read The Great Gatsby back in High

School.  I must say Gatsby did very little for me nor did Hemingway, but I

didn't dislike them.  Similarly Faulkner never did "it" for me.  I might

appreciate them more now.  I think taste changes over time and appreciation

changes.  And I think there are young books and older books and ageless books.

 

Authors my list (short)

Kerouac (of course why am I on this list)

 

Joyce

 

Philip K. Dick (good call by John)

 

Zora Neale Hurston (a totally amazing oeuvre from anthropology to fiction

and it's all part of the same whole)

 

Lu Xun (a Chinese writer who was pretty much a contemporay of Joyce. He died

in 1936. It is sad that his works aren't published by any major publisher in

the US or Britain).

 

Vonnegut (I avoided him for a long time due to reverse snobbery when I was

younger as he was so popular.  I was wrong.  Talking about influences or

imitations I think he got a lot from Celine but that's just a guess).

 

(I also must add Gore Vidal, not because of any great literary impact of

lasting, but historically when I was in High scool I read most of his books.

To me his stuff kind of hovers between fiction and literature.  Of his stuff

Messiah from the fifties would be the one and Burr for the non-fiction

fictions.  The fact that Vidal rewrote Messiah as Kalki later in the 70's I

think exemplifies his overall place--in other words he's a good writer but

didn't do "it".)

 

Then might come books.

 

Junky

Tropic of Capricorn

Catcher in the Rye

Gogol's Diary of a Madman and other stories

Les Chants de Maldoror by DuCasse (Comte de Lautreamont)

Journey to the End of Night by Celine

Ubu Roi

 

Of these with the exception of Gogol I don't know if I would reccommend or

like them today.  I think these are young books.  But they did stick with me

enough to mention them now.

 

Oh yes,  and

 

The Journey to the West the old story of the Monkey King and how the Buddha

set it up so the scriptures could be brought to the East from the West and

the adventures of the gang that went to get them.  Another book that would

be hard to find at most bookstores.

 

Then there could be the non-fictions

 

DT Suzuki's Intro to Zen Buddhism

Thomas a Kempis' Imitation of Christ

 

I read the Suzuki before the a kempis and was struck by the great

similarities in them.

 

I don't know,

 

I know there are more.  I remember reading Levi's page of his favorite 15

books and wondering what mine would be.

 

 And all these things are so subjective.  I clearly had a penchant for

surrealism and things like that in my youth.

 

Now I read mainly non-fiction.

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A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

 

  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

  Shakespeare - everything

  Thomas Wolfe - everything

  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

           Guignol's Band

  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

  Jack London

  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

  The Bible

  Indian Scriptures

  The Buddhist Bible

  Ernest Hemingway

  William Faulkner- Pylon

  Thomas Mann

  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

  A number of Buddhist texts

  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

  Gogol - Dead Souls

  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man

  John Keats

  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

  Honore de Balzac

  A Biography of George Washington

  W.H. Auden

  Ezra Pound

  Francois Rabelais

  William Saroyan

  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

  Arthur Rimbaud

  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

  Kafka - The Castle

  Edgar Allan Poe

  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

  William Penn - Maxims

  Greek Philosophy

  The Shadow

  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

  Mark Twain

  Yeats

  Gertrude Stein

  T.S. Eliot

 

  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc. that he had read them. Some

he didn't even like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel free to add

to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac Quarterly Web

Site. Thanks, Paul...

 

                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Subject:      Kerouac's reading

 

Thanks for posting the K. reading list, Paul.  This could make a nice Beat-l p

roject.  People could post new titles they discover to the list, with a note pe

rhaps on the source of their information, i.e.  "The 42nd Parallel"  letter to

Alfred Kazin, v. 2 p. 112 of Selected Letters.

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Paul and others,

 

        To more fully respond to Sherri's post it would be really great to

get dates for these readings....

                        Antoine

 

                ****************

 

>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

>

>  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

>  Shakespeare - everything

>  Thomas Wolfe - everything

>  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

>  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

>  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

>  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

>           Guignol's Band

>  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

>  Jack London

>  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

>  The Bible

>  Indian Scriptures

>  The Buddhist Bible

>  Ernest Hemingway

>  William Faulkner- Pylon

>  Thomas Mann

>  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

>  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

>  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

>  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

>  A number of Buddhist texts

>  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

>  Gogol - Dead Souls

>  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

>  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

>  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

>  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man

>  John Keats

>  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

>  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

>  Honore de Balzac

>  A Biography of George Washington

>  W.H. Auden

>  Ezra Pound

>  Francois Rabelais

>  William Saroyan

>  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

>  Arthur Rimbaud

>  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

>  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

>  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

>  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

>  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

>  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

>  Kafka - The Castle

>  Edgar Allan Poe

>  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

>  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

>  William Penn - Maxims

>  Greek Philosophy

>  The Shadow

>  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

>  Mark Twain

>  Yeats

>  Gertrude Stein

>  T.S. Eliot

>

>  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc. that he had read them. Some

>he didn't even like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel free to add

>to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac Quarterly Web

>Site. Thanks, Paul...

>

>                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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From:   Paul A. Maher Jr.[SMTP:mapaul@PIPELINE.COM]

Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:06 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List

 

A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and =

there:

 

  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

  Shakespeare - everything

  Thomas Wolfe - everything

  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment =

Plan,

           Guignol's Band

  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

  Jack London

  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

  The Bible

  Indian Scriptures

  The Buddhist Bible

  Ernest Hemingway

  William Faulkner- Pylon

  Thomas Mann

  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

  A number of Buddhist texts

  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

  Gogol - Dead Souls

  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a =

Young Man

  John Keats

  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

  Honore de Balzac

  A Biography of George Washington

  W.H. Auden

  Ezra Pound

  Francois Rabelais

  William Saroyan

  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

  Arthur Rimbaud

  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

  Kafka - The Castle

  Edgar Allan Poe

  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

  William Penn - Maxims

  Greek Philosophy

  The Shadow

  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

  Mark Twain

  Yeats

  Gertrude Stein

  T.S. Eliot

 

  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is =

simply

documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc. that he had read them. =

Some

he didn't even like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel free to =

add

to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac Quarterly =

Web

Site. Thanks, Paul...

 

                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our =

virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

 

 

sorry to bother you, but I am not very computer-friendly, and I have =

some how gotten in on this group... Can you please tell me how to =

unsubscribe?

 

                                thank you very much.

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At 08:50 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Paul and others,

>

>        To more fully respond to Sherri's post it would be really great to

>get dates for these readings....

>                        Antoine

>

>Antoine and others - That kind of research is all part of the charm of my

new book which is out there looking for a publisher. It takes a lot of

pinning down but one can find this information in Selected Letters for a

start. I will try to put some dates to these and place them on the web page.

Now...I will add more readings at the end of this list to make it as

comprehensive as possible. Of course, we will never get every thing he ever

read.

                ****************

>

>>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

>>

>>  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

>>  Shakespeare - everything

>>  Thomas Wolfe - everything

>>  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

>>  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

>>  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

>>  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

>>           Guignol's Band

>>  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

>>  Jack London

>>  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

>>  The Bible

>>  Indian Scriptures

>>  The Buddhist Bible

>>  Ernest Hemingway

>>  William Faulkner- Pylon

>>  Thomas Mann

>>  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

>>  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

>>  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

>>  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

>>  A number of Buddhist texts

>>  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

>>  Gogol - Dead Souls

>>  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

>>  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

>>  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

>>  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a

Young Man

>>  John Keats

>>  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

>>  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

>>  Honore de Balzac

>>  A Biography of George Washington

>>  W.H. Auden

>>  Ezra Pound

>>  Francois Rabelais

>>  William Saroyan

>>  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

>>  Arthur Rimbaud

>>  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

>>  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

>>  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

>>  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

>>  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

>>  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

>>  Kafka - The Castle

>>  Edgar Allan Poe

>>  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

>>  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

>>  William Penn - Maxims

>>  Greek Philosophy

>>  The Shadow

>>  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

>>  Mark Twain

>>  Yeats

>>  Gertrude Stein

>>  T.S. Eliot

>>  Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass

    W.H. Auden

    e.e. cummings

    Emily Dickinson

    Henry David Thoreau

    Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

>>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had

read them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel

free to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac

Quarterly Web

>>Site and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...

>>

>>                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>>

> Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

>cease to be amused."

>

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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At 02:41 PM 11/11/97 UT, you wrote:

>Can't find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding

>JK's being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew of

>any books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before  (and

>during) the writing of any particular book.  this would be a fascinating and

>illuminating study.  anyone on the list ever done any such research?

>

>ciao,  sherri

>sherri - I will pull the research I did for my book and incorporate it into

an article for the Kerouac Quarterly. This is precisely what my book Looking

For Jack involves. I placed an excerpt of it concerning Shakespeare in the

second issue. I really put a lot of time in the work and will be quite

detailed whenever it comes out. P.

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Paul, thanks.  that would be great!  please let me know when that issue is

available.

 

ciao,

sherri

 

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At 02:41 PM 11/11/97 UT, you wrote:

>Can't find your original post, Paul, (probably on my work computer) regarding

>JK's being influenced by his reading "list", but wanted to ask if you knew of

>any books that address which books/authors JK was reading right before  (and

>during) the writing of any particular book.  this would be a fascinating and

>illuminating study.  anyone on the list ever done any such research?

>

>ciao,  sherri

>sherri - I will pull the research I did for my book and incorporate it into

an article for the Kerouac Quarterly. This is precisely what my book Looking

For Jack involves. I placed an excerpt of it concerning Shakespeare in the

second issue. I really put a lot of time in the work and will be quite

detailed whenever it comes out. P.

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List

 

he must have read Robert Frost, given his comments about him....

 

sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Paul A. Maher Jr.

Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 6:15 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List

 

At 08:50 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Paul and others,

>

>        To more fully respond to Sherri's post it would be really great to

>get dates for these readings....

>                        Antoine

>

>Antoine and others - That kind of research is all part of the charm of my

new book which is out there looking for a publisher. It takes a lot of

pinning down but one can find this information in Selected Letters for a

start. I will try to put some dates to these and place them on the web page.

Now...I will add more readings at the end of this list to make it as

comprehensive as possible. Of course, we will never get every thing he ever

read.

                ****************

>

>>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

>>

>>  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

>>  Shakespeare - everything

>>  Thomas Wolfe - everything

>>  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

>>  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

>>  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

>>  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

>>           Guignol's Band

>>  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

>>  Jack London

>>  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

>>  The Bible

>>  Indian Scriptures

>>  The Buddhist Bible

>>  Ernest Hemingway

>>  William Faulkner- Pylon

>>  Thomas Mann

>>  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

>>  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

>>  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

>>  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

>>  A number of Buddhist texts

>>  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

>>  Gogol - Dead Souls

>>  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

>>  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

>>  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

>>  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a

Young Man

>>  John Keats

>>  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

>>  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

>>  Honore de Balzac

>>  A Biography of George Washington

>>  W.H. Auden

>>  Ezra Pound

>>  Francois Rabelais

>>  William Saroyan

>>  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

>>  Arthur Rimbaud

>>  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

>>  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

>>  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

>>  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

>>  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

>>  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

>>  Kafka - The Castle

>>  Edgar Allan Poe

>>  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

>>  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

>>  William Penn - Maxims

>>  Greek Philosophy

>>  The Shadow

>>  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

>>  Mark Twain

>>  Yeats

>>  Gertrude Stein

>>  T.S. Eliot

>>  Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass

    W.H. Auden

    e.e. cummings

    Emily Dickinson

    Henry David Thoreau

    Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

>>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had

read them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel

free to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac

Quarterly Web

>>Site and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...

>>

>>                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>>

> Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

>cease to be amused."

>

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Subject:      Re: Greatest Novels ...

 

In a message dated 97-11-11 17:31:07 EST, you write:

 

<< I think Selby is incredibly under-appreciated. I think he's a master. >>

Hubert Selby is a monster writer and should be discussed on this list more

often.  I heartily agree with your selections, Glenn, but I'm curious as to

why you left off Last Exit to Brooklyn.  Isn't it as least as good as The

Demon and The Room?

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Maybe if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the

info we can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up

on but most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name

to the bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of

contributor if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then

transfer the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give

the list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here

on the list.

  I was thinking of starting the same kind of list with a chronological

order to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..

>                ****************

>>

>>>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

>>>

>>>  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

>>>  Shakespeare - everything

>>>  Thomas Wolfe - everything

>>>  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

>>>  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

>>>  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

>>>  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

>>>           Guignol's Band

>>>  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

>>>  Jack London

>>>  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

>>>  The Bible

>>>  Indian Scriptures

>>>  The Buddhist Bible

>>>  Ernest Hemingway

>>>  William Faulkner- Pylon

>>>  Thomas Mann

>>>  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

>>>  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

>>>  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

>>>  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

>>>  A number of Buddhist texts

>>>  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

>>>  Gogol - Dead Souls

>>>  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

>>>  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

>>>  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

>>>  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a

>Young Man

>>>  John Keats

>>>  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

>>>  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

>>>  Honore de Balzac

>>>  A Biography of George Washington

>>>  W.H. Auden

>>>  Ezra Pound

>>>  Francois Rabelais

>>>  William Saroyan

>>>  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

>>>  Arthur Rimbaud

>>>  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

>>>  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

>>>  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

>>>  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

>>>  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

>>>  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

>>>  Kafka - The Castle

>>>  Edgar Allan Poe

>>>  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

>>>  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

>>>  William Penn - Maxims

>>>  Greek Philosophy

>>>  The Shadow

>>>  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

>>>  Mark Twain

>>>  Yeats

>>>  Gertrude Stein

>>>  T.S. Eliot

>>>  Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass

>    W.H. Auden

>    e.e. cummings

>    Emily Dickinson

>    Henry David Thoreau

>    Ralph Waldo Emerson

     Robert Frost (Sherri)

     42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin) Bill Gargan

>>>  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

>>>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had

>read them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel

>free to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac

>Quarterly Web

>>>Site and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...

>>>

>>>                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

>>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>>>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>>>

>> Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>>

>>    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

>>cease to be amused."

>>

>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Paul,

 

        That's great of you to do that. Bill's idea is also great...what a

project!

 

...and to all,

 

Seeing e.e.cummimgs on Jack's reading list forces me to put one of cummings'

most "beat" poems for everyone to comment on. I haven't ever heard him read,

but I would love to hear this as he would read it...(have readt it!) Anyone

ever hear any recordings of him?

 

        And after it two in honour of Remembrance day. Give these all a

chance...spare them your too quick delete key!

 

                        Antoine

 

        *****************

 

                                ....I love the rush at the end of this....

 

from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)

 

        pity this busy monster,manunkind,

 

        not.   Progress is a comfortable disease:

        your victim(death and life safely beyond)

 

        plays with the bigness of his littleness

        ---electrons deify one razorblade

        into a mountainrange;lenses extend

 

        unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish

        returns on its unself.

                                        A world of made

        is not a world of born--pity poor flesh

 

        and trees,poor stars and stones,but never this

        fine specimen of hypermagical

 

        ultraomnipotence.     We doctors know

 

        a hopeless case if--listen:there's a hell

        of a good universe next door;let's go

 

 

        *****************

 

                                Typed in on Remembrance day after standing

at the cenotaph at 11:00am

                                with men who were in the wars with my Dad,

my Granda, my Uncles....

 

from "is 5" (1926)

 

        look at this)

        a 75 done

        this nobody would

        have believed

        would they no

        kidding this was my particular

 

        pal

        funny aint

        it we was

        buddies

        i used to

 

        know

        him lift the

        poor cuss

        tenderly this side up handle

 

        with care

        fragile

        and send him home

 

        to his old mother in

        a new pine box

 

        (collect

 

                **************

 

                                His anti-war poems are weapons themselves!

Another....

 

from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)

 

        plato told

 

        him;he couldn't

        believe it(jesus

 

        told him;he

        wouldn't believe

        it)lao

 

        tsze

        certainly told

        him,and general

        (yes

 

        mam)

        sherman;

        and even

        (believe it

        or

 

        not)you

        told him;i told

        him;we told him

        (he didn't believe it,no

 

        sir)it took

        a nipponized bit of

        the old sixth

 

        avenue

        el;in the top of his head:to tell

 

        him

 

                                I can remeber as a kid (probably '52 - '53)

the big discussion when

                                a small toy birdcage - made in japan - broke

open and was revealed

                                to be made of a 'birdseye' pea can.......

 

                                read e.e.cummings

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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From:         Timothy Hoffman <timothy@GOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Greatest Novels ...

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My picks for Greatest Novels (Great American or other). Please respond or

ignore at will.

 

On the Road

Doctor Sax              Jack Kerouac

 

Slaughterhouse Five

Breakfast of Champions  Kurt Vonnegut

 

Lord of the Rings               J.R.R. Tolkien

 

Something Wicked This Way Comes

Dandelion Wine          Ray Bradbury

 

The Stranger

The Plague              Albert Camus

 

The Book of Laughter and Forgetting

The Joke                Milan Kundera

 

The Tin Drum            Gunter Grass

 

Libra

Mao II                  Don Delillo

 

The Painted Bird                Jerzy Kozinski (sp)

 

Invisible Man           Ralph Ellison

 

Tough Guys Don't Dance  Norman Mailer

 

Woman in the Dunes      Kobo Abe

 

Botchan                 Natsume Soseki

 

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

                        Mark Twain

 

The Atlas               William T. Vollmann

 

:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::

Timothy Hoffman

Komaki English Teaching Center (KETC)

Komaki Shiminkaikan, KETC

2-107 Komaki

Komaki, Aichi 485

work (0568) 76-0905

fax (0568) 77-8207

home (0568)72-3549

timothy@gol.com

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Subject:      Re: hooray for Vonnegut!

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-----Original Message-----

From:   Maggie Gerrity [SMTP:u2ginsberg@YAHOO.COM]

Sent:   Monday, November 10, 1997 3:51 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: hooray for Vonnegut!

 

  I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks Vonnegut is

one of the Great American Writers of our time.  Aside from the Beats

and possibly Hemingway, he's the only great writer 20th Century

America has ever had.  It's so tragic that he claims he's written his

last book!

              Maggie G.

 

 

speaking of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?

 

Janelle

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A poem of Ron Whitehead's Tyson......very Beat!

 

        there's another I have that I'll send when I find it.

 

                Antoine

 

        *******************

 

SAN FRANCISCO, MAY 1993

 

               Visited Lawrence Ferlinghetti

               Flew to San Francisco

               Super Shuttled to City Lights

                       keys at the front desk

                       with address and map

               Wandered streets  Kerouac Alley  Kenneth Rexroth Place

                       lost for hours

                            small suitcase weighed down with

                  heavy words "The Mask is the Path of the Star"

                Diane di Prima's chapbook

                            Published in Heaven Series Whie Fields Press

                  limited edition of 50 copies to meet her

                                 and have them signed

               Where is Diane di Prima

              on Laguna  Haight-Ashbury  San Francisco Art Institute

"the only war that matters is the war against the imagination"

         and I'm searching for Diane di Prima

            Where is Lawrence Ferlinghetti

           on Francisco  Telegraph Hill  North Beach  City Lights'

"Poets come out of your closets

 open your windows, open your doors,

 You have been holed up too long

 in your closed worlds..."

       and I'm searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti

                        Walked Golden Gate Bridge

                         holding Nancye's hand into the wind

                         Alcatraz and sailboats one bent

                         licking the lips of the Bay waters

                         and the Pacific sprays us with tears

                         of Chinese immigrants who for forty days

                         and forty nights have stood on water

                         outside America's door knocking

                         denied entry  denied

                         Fisherman's wharf seals singing

                         some burnt out old hippie screeching

                              "I am a rock I am an island"

                         for spare change from laughing

                         lines of tourists from around the world waiting

                         for trolley tours lunch at Fish Alley

                         hike up Telegraph Hill

                         what a view but

                         a statue of Columbus? is this

                         is this a Columbus I don't know about?

                         the other Columbus? The San Francisco

                         Telegraph Hill North Beach Columbus?

                         Father Christopher Columbus of

                                            Our Lady of the Flowers?

                         no, Lawrence Ferlinghetti says

                         this is THE Christopher Columbus.

                         "We tried to spray paint his

                         hands red but PoliceMen

                         surrounded him all night

                         Columbus Day Eve."

                         Christopher Columbus  Chief Joseph

                         Two histories

                         "Hear me, my chiefs. I am tired; my heart

                         is sick and sad. From where the sun now

                         stands. I will fight no more forever."

walking up hills bowing to gravity

leaning backward with my long hair sweeping pigeon shit from the path

as I descend the wind and the descent flatten me

and now my muscles are green and yellow and red

       pain flavored jello

Caffe Puccini   Caffe Verdi   Caffe Trieste

       espresso         cappucino

    Chinatown   fresh fruit and vegetables

    the smell of dead animals "whole schools of fish,"

    bulging eyes, "gasping on counters" whispering

    unheard

    T'ai chi in the parks on the streets

    movement before sunrise speeding speeding into America

    Hong Kong Mutant flu Killer virus

    now after noon what do they think of me

    walking here what do I look like to them

      so different   so alike

                             I want love to have its way

    is their society still as closed as Bruce Lee found it

    in 1962 North Beach and Oakland and Sacramento

like Kudzu Hong Kong money buying out the Italians

                                                  buying San Francisco

    and searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti

    I crawl through City Lights

    so many writers' writings

    and Lawrence Ferlinghetti is one

    and James Joyce is one

    and William Carlos Williams is one

    and William Butler Yeats is one

    and Walt Whitman is one

    and William Blake is one

    and Jack Kerouac  Allen Ginsberg  Diane di Prima  Amiri Baraka

        John Holmes  Herbert Huncke  Gregory Corso  Michael McClure

        Gary Snyder  Robert Creeley  Phillip Lamantia  William Burroughs

        Anne Waldman  Ed Sanders

        POMES PENYEACH

        POMES ALL SIZES

        "Street Poetry"

        Casting off "the anxiety of influence"

                    "the anxiety of authorship"

                    "Make IT New!"

        "First thought, best thought"

        "have an uninterrupted curiosity"

        "writing the mind"

        "poet get out of the

        inner aesthetic sanctum

        where you have too long

        been contemplating

        your complicated navel"

and as I search for Lawrence Ferlinghetti

        feed the cat and look at photo of Allen Ginsberg

                                          and Lorenzo swimming

           Julie

           why do men still drink wine

           and women still water

  Daniel Ortega's Minotaur keeps watchful eye over

   apartment stairs and Liberty's mask

    like a gargoyle

     guards his bedroom

      paintings and posters of readings round the world

       cover the walls

        TRAVELS IN AMERICA DESERTA on the shelf

         Alcatraz in the distance

         3rd World Voices monks Ernesto Cardinal  Nicanor Parra

         Daniel Berrigan  Thomas Merton pierce the world's terrors

            chanting

            Shelley's "Declaration of Rights"

                    "Government has no rights; it

                     is a delegation from several

                     individuals for the purpose of

                     securing their own."

and searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti

I look in A CONEY ISLAND OF THE MIND and

                                         PICTURES OF THE GONE WORLD

               bearing gifts I come

               photos of his journey through Kentucky

               standing at Merton's grave  Literary Gethsemani

               memories of drinking Budweisers

               at The Doo Drop Inn

               "Nice people Dancing to Good Country Music"

           and I've come bearing gifts

               tapes of his reading in Louisville

                    jazz between poems

                                      silence between poems

           blank spaces on the walls between paintings

                          and My Old Kentucky Home

                          is still singing your song

and I'm searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti

                               "the one who'll shake the ones unshaken

                                the fearless one

                                the one without bullshit"

      and walking out his front door

                          from Bolinas  from Lorenzo  from trees

                                                        and back roads

                              he arrives in an old white Toyota truck

                ascetic monk of North Beach

                          satirical wit  ironic humor

                              wisdom

                     southern hospitality in San Francisco, California

          handing Lawrence Ferlinghetti his keys at the end of our visit

                                shaking hands  saying thanks  homage

                      Super Shuttle to airport  Kentucky

        and searching for Lawrence Ferlinghetti

              on the plane I read from the book he signed

                              "Christ climbed down

                              from his bare tree

                              this year

                              and softly stole away into

                              some anonymous Mary's womb again

                              where in the darkest night

                              of everybody's anonymous soul

                              He awaits again

                              an unimaginable

                              and impossibly

                              Immaculate Reconception

                              the very craziest

                              of Second Comings."

 

                                   To Lawrence Ferlinghetti

 

                                         Pax Vobiscum

                                       Ron Whitehead

                                           on flight from San Francisco

                                             to Kentucky

                                                11:33PM

                                                   5/24/93

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List

 

Ginsberg, Burroughs, Corso, McClure, di Prima, Rexroth, Cassady because they

were all friends and discussed their work...

 

Rimbaud (1960 or before)  wrote the poem "Rimbaud" in 1960, it's in "Scattered

Poems"

 

Proust, Samuel Johnson, Boswell, Dante, Cervantes, Hesse (Steppenwolf),

Nietzsche, R. L. Stevenson (Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde) because he mentions them in

"Big Sur"  (1962) (this may be a partial listing - haven't had a chance to go

through the entire book)

 

sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Paul A. Maher Jr.

Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:01 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List

 

Maybe if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the

info we can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up

on but most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name

to the bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of

contributor if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then

transfer the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give

the list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here

on the list.

  I was thinking of starting the same kind of list with a chronological

order to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..

>                ****************

>>

>>>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

>>>

>>>  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

>>>  Shakespeare - everything

>>>  Thomas Wolfe - everything

>>>  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

>>>  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

>>>  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

>>>  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

>>>           Guignol's Band

>>>  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

>>>  Jack London

>>>  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

>>>  The Bible

>>>  Indian Scriptures

>>>  The Buddhist Bible

>>>  Ernest Hemingway

>>>  William Faulkner- Pylon

>>>  Thomas Mann

>>>  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

>>>  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

>>>  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

>>>  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

>>>  A number of Buddhist texts

>>>  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

>>>  Gogol - Dead Souls

>>>  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

>>>  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

>>>  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

>>>  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a

>Young Man

>>>  John Keats

>>>  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

>>>  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

>>>  Honore de Balzac

>>>  A Biography of George Washington

>>>  W.H. Auden

>>>  Ezra Pound

>>>  Francois Rabelais

>>>  William Saroyan

>>>  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

>>>  Arthur Rimbaud

>>>  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

>>>  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

>>>  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

>>>  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

>>>  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

>>>  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

>>>  Kafka - The Castle

>>>  Edgar Allan Poe

>>>  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

>>>  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

>>>  William Penn - Maxims

>>>  Greek Philosophy

>>>  The Shadow

>>>  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

>>>  Mark Twain

>>>  Yeats

>>>  Gertrude Stein

>>>  T.S. Eliot

>>>  Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass

>    W.H. Auden

>    e.e. cummings

>    Emily Dickinson

>    Henry David Thoreau

>    Ralph Waldo Emerson

     Robert Frost (Sherri)

     42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin) Bill Gargan

>>>  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

>>>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had

>read them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel

>free to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac

>Quarterly Web

>>>Site and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...

>>>

>>>                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

>>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>>>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>>>

>> Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>>

>>    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

>>cease to be amused."

>>

>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

 

by the way, to any of you out there who have served this country in war -

thank you.  i'm glad you're still alive.

 

peace & roses,  sherri

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Greatest Novels ...

 

for Bradbury - i think "Fahrenheit 451" and "The Illustrated Man" are greater

works, although both of those you mention are wonderful.  How about

"Foucault's Pendulum" by Eco?  "Ulysses" by Joyce?  we could go on and on.

problem is if we don't categorize this as 20th century  and American the list

could take up the entire space we have on the list server.

 

ciao, sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Timothy Hoffman

Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:13 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: Greatest Novels ...

 

My picks for Greatest Novels (Great American or other). Please respond or

ignore at will.

 

On the Road

Doctor Sax              Jack Kerouac

 

Slaughterhouse Five

Breakfast of Champions  Kurt Vonnegut

 

Lord of the Rings               J.R.R. Tolkien

 

Something Wicked This Way Comes

Dandelion Wine          Ray Bradbury

 

The Stranger

The Plague              Albert Camus

 

The Book of Laughter and Forgetting

The Joke                Milan Kundera

 

The Tin Drum            Gunter Grass

 

Libra

Mao II                  Don Delillo

 

The Painted Bird                Jerzy Kozinski (sp)

 

Invisible Man           Ralph Ellison

 

Tough Guys Don't Dance  Norman Mailer

 

Woman in the Dunes      Kobo Abe

 

Botchan                 Natsume Soseki

 

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

                        Mark Twain

 

The Atlas               William T. Vollmann

 

:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::

Timothy Hoffman

Komaki English Teaching Center (KETC)

Komaki Shiminkaikan, KETC

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Komaki, Aichi 485

work (0568) 76-0905

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Jack Kerouac reading e.e.cummings

 

Antoine, thanks for these.  the second one is heartbreaking.

 

ciao, sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Antoine Maloney

Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:10 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: Jack Kerouac reading e.e.cummings

 

Paul,

 

        That's great of you to do that. Bill's idea is also great...what a

project!

 

...and to all,

 

Seeing e.e.cummimgs on Jack's reading list forces me to put one of cummings'

most "beat" poems for everyone to comment on. I haven't ever heard him read,

but I would love to hear this as he would read it...(have readt it!) Anyone

ever hear any recordings of him?

 

        And after it two in honour of Remembrance day. Give these all a

chance...spare them your too quick delete key!

 

                        Antoine

 

        *****************

 

                                ....I love the rush at the end of this....

 

from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)

 

        pity this busy monster,manunkind,

 

        not.   Progress is a comfortable disease:

        your victim(death and life safely beyond)

 

        plays with the bigness of his littleness

        ---electrons deify one razorblade

        into a mountainrange;lenses extend

 

        unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish

        returns on its unself.

                                        A world of made

        is not a world of born--pity poor flesh

 

        and trees,poor stars and stones,but never this

        fine specimen of hypermagical

 

        ultraomnipotence.     We doctors know

 

        a hopeless case if--listen:there's a hell

        of a good universe next door;let's go

 

 

        *****************

 

                                Typed in on Remembrance day after standing

at the cenotaph at 11:00am

                                with men who were in the wars with my Dad,

my Granda, my Uncles....

 

from "is 5" (1926)

 

        look at this)

        a 75 done

        this nobody would

        have believed

        would they no

        kidding this was my particular

 

        pal

        funny aint

        it we was

        buddies

        i used to

 

        know

        him lift the

        poor cuss

        tenderly this side up handle

 

        with care

        fragile

        and send him home

 

        to his old mother in

        a new pine box

 

        (collect

 

                **************

 

                                His anti-war poems are weapons themselves!

Another....

 

from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)

 

        plato told

 

        him;he couldn't

        believe it(jesus

 

        told him;he

        wouldn't believe

        it)lao

 

        tsze

        certainly told

        him,and general

        (yes

 

        mam)

        sherman;

        and even

        (believe it

        or

 

        not)you

        told him;i told

        him;we told him

        (he didn't believe it,no

 

        sir)it took

        a nipponized bit of

        the old sixth

 

        avenue

        el;in the top of his head:to tell

 

        him

 

                                I can remeber as a kid (probably '52 - '53)

the big discussion when

                                a small toy birdcage - made in japan - broke

open and was revealed

                                to be made of a 'birdseye' pea can.......

 

                                read e.e.cummings

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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From:         John Gregorio <Subterr7@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: hooray for Vonnegut!

 

For those who have read, and enjoyed, Vonnegut over the years it was a nice

"goodbye."  Yet, I would have preferred, and I think it would have been a

better book, if he would have written a book of essays or another type of

non-fiction.  Maybe an autobiography.

  Jack Gregorio

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From:         Jym Mooney <jymmoon@EXECPC.COM>

Subject:      Re: hooray for Vonnegut!

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Janelle wrote:

 

> speaking of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?

 

I'm reading "Timequake" right now, nearly through.  The review I had read

prior to picking up the book bitched about the fact that it's not a "real"

novel...that the plot was all but non-existent, and in fact the book

appeared to be ramblings and sketches and random sardonic musings...so, I

ask the reviewer, what's your point?  In fact, I'm enjoying the hell out of

"Timequake."  I can't remember the last time a book made me laugh out loud.

 Yes, it does have the air of an author's final major work about it (much

as "The Western Lands" did, in of course a very different way).  But I

think that the chance to be conscious that one is creating a final work is

rare indeed (given the unpredictability of life and fate's twists), and the

creator should enjoy and savor the opportunity, as should the observer.  So

I repeat what someone so aptly said earlier on this thread: Hooray for

Vonnegut!

 

Jym

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From:         Jym Mooney <jymmoon@EXECPC.COM>

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Alan Harrington's "Secret Swinger" has popped up on the JK's Reading List

thread.  I've been looking for a copy for some time.  Anyone out there know

where I can find one?

 

Thanks,

 

Jym

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Subject:      Re: hooray for Vonnegut!

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Jym Mooney wrote:

>

> Janelle wrote:

>

> > speaking of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?

>

> I'm reading "Timequake" right now, nearly through.  The review I had read

> prior to picking up the book bitched about the fact that it's not a "real"

> novel...that the plot was all but non-existent, and in fact the book

> appeared to be ramblings and sketches and random sardonic musings...so, I

> ask the reviewer, what's your point?  In fact, I'm enjoying the hell out of

> "Timequake."  I can't remember the last time a book made me laugh out loud.

>  Yes, it does have the air of an author's final major work about it (much

> as "The Western Lands" did, in of course a very different way).  But I

> think that the chance to be conscious that one is creating a final work is

> rare indeed (given the unpredictability of life and fate's twists), and the

> creator should enjoy and savor the opportunity, as should the observer.  So

> I repeat what someone so aptly said earlier on this thread: Hooray for

> Vonnegut!

>

> Jym

 

i haven't read any Vonnegut yet but i have been to May Day parties at

his old house off Brown Street in Iowa City.

 

i wonder if they still have those parties.  you could really feel the

sensations there.  only place with more of those sensations was in

Burroughs house (and they were concentrated about 30 times as much

there).

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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From:         "THE ZET'S GOOD." <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Alan Harrington

 

Jym,

 

Look for SECRET SWINGER on the web via WWW.BIBLIOFIND.COM or WWW.INTERLOC.COM

If they don't have it, put it on their "wish list" and someone will probably

find a copy. Good luck. Or maybe Jeffrey at Water Row has one.

 

Dave B.

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: hooray for Vonnegut!

 

i agree Jym.  Timequake (haven't finished it yet) is wonderful and i think the

perfect "Last Hurrah" before the curtain goes out.

 

ciao,  sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Jym Mooney

Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 8:25 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: hooray for Vonnegut!

 

Janelle wrote:

 

> speaking of, what did everyone who read Timequake think?

 

I'm reading "Timequake" right now, nearly through.  The review I had read

prior to picking up the book bitched about the fact that it's not a "real"

novel...that the plot was all but non-existent, and in fact the book

appeared to be ramblings and sketches and random sardonic musings...so, I

ask the reviewer, what's your point?  In fact, I'm enjoying the hell out of

"Timequake."  I can't remember the last time a book made me laugh out loud.

 Yes, it does have the air of an author's final major work about it (much

as "The Western Lands" did, in of course a very different way).  But I

think that the chance to be conscious that one is creating a final work is

rare indeed (given the unpredictability of life and fate's twists), and the

creator should enjoy and savor the opportunity, as should the observer.  So

I repeat what someone so aptly said earlier on this thread: Hooray for

Vonnegut!

 

Jym

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From:         Maggie Gerrity <u2ginsberg@YAHOO.COM>

Subject:      Ginsberg and Vonnegut

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  I'm working on this compilation of criticisms (historical,

biographical, and literary) and reviews of a group of Allen Ginsberg

poems for which I have to write a 3 page opening essay. The title of

my anthology is "Love, Death, and the Teachings of Allen Ginsberg."

Does anyone have any suggestions of what audience to target in this

intro? Scholars? Students? Fellow poets and/or Beat Lovers?

 

  Also, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who loves Vonnegut.

I regret not discovering him sooner. Has anyone else heard that he'll

be teaching in the MFA creative writing program at Long Island Univ.

starting this summer? I'd like to make a pilgrimage to meet him,

seeing he's the last great living American Writer, in my opinion.

 

        Maggie

 

 

 

 

 

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>Jym,

>

>Look for SECRET SWINGER on the web via WWW.BIBLIOFIND.COM or WWW.INTERLOC.COM

>If they don't have it, put it on their "wish list" and someone will probably

>find a copy. Good luck. Or maybe Jeffrey at Water Row has one.

>

>Dave B.

 

Thank you so much for these urls. !!!!!

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> Yes, let's not restrict ourselves to American novels. I'd be interested in

> hearing what others think are the greatest novels they've read, American or

> otherwise.

>

 

 

 

the most powerful non-american novels i belive that i have ever read is

"the razor's edge" by w. somerset maugham and 'age of reason' by sartre.

powerful characters, real-life, existentialism....all the angst one

former grungekid could ever handle....

 

cathy

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Jack Kerouac's Personal Library

 

In making a list of Kerouac's reading material, here is information that will

prove helpful. The following books were in Kerouac's personal library when he

died.

All books were well-read and some had notations in Kerouac's hand. I have not

included books written by Jack or anthologies with contributions by Jack

although a fairly good representation of his own works were present also. The

following list was first compiled by me back in 1992 when I was hired to sell

these books to collectors. Please note this list copyright 1992 Water Row

Books.

Jeffrey Weinberg

Water Row Books

 

******************************************************************************

********************

1. Dayton Allen. Why Not? With an introduction by Steve Allen. 1960.

2. David Aram. Vibrations. 1968.

3. A Portents Semina. Published as Portents #6. A tribute to Wallace Berman.

1967.

4. Ted Berrigan. Nimrod. Volume 4. Number 3. Spring 1960. Berrigan was

associate editor of this lit mag.

5. Swami A.C. Bhaktivedanta. The Bhagavad Gita. A New Translation with

appreciations by Allen Ginsberg, Denise Levertov and Thomas Merton. 1968.

6. Robert Boles. The People One Knows. 1964.

7. Paul Bowles. A Hundred Camels in the Courtyard. 1962.

8. William Bronk. The World, The Wordless. 1964.

9. Charles Bukowski. Poems Written Before Jumping Out Of A 8 Story Window.

1968. (Note: Kerouac did not like Bukowski's work and vice versa -this copy

was sent to Kerouac by book's editor, Douglas Blazek)

10. Open Skull. Number 1. 1967. Edited by Doug Blazek. Contributors included

Bukowski, Charlie Plymell. (ditto to note in #9 above).

11. Ole Anthology edited by Doug Blazek. 1967. (double ditto!)

12. William Burroughs. The Ticket That Exploded. 1967.

13. William Burroughs. Naked Lunch. 1966 edition with Mass. Supreme Court

decision and Boston Trial excerpts.

14. Alan Casty and Donald Tighe. Staircase to Writing & Reading.

15. The Basilian Teacher. May 1964 issue. A Catholic Journal. This issue

contains an excerpt from Dharma Bums in an article by Leonard McGravey,

C.S.B.

16. The Last Catholic: A Tragicomedy by J. Fabian Daly. 1968.

17. Gina Germinara. Many Mansions. 1967. The Edgar Cayce story.

18. The Coercion Review. Number 2. Spring 1959. Lit mag sent to Kerouac while

in Northport.

19. Gregory Corso. The American Express. Complimentary copy of Corso's only

novel, sent to Jack by the publisher, Maurice Girodias.

20. Bruton Connors. Night Priest. 1967.

21. Robert Creeley. A Form of Women. 1959.

22. Robert Creeley. For Love: Poems 1950-1960.

23. Charles Dickens. The Pickwick Papers. 1960 edition.

24. Evergreen Review. Eleven issues dated 1958-1962.

25. Lawrence Ferlinghetti. Tenetative Description of a Dinner Given To

Promote the Impeachment of President Eisenhower. 1958.

26. Lawrence Ferlinghetti. Starting From San Francisco. 1961.

27. George Hunt. The Wars of the Iroquois. 1960. Given to Kerouac for Xmas by

Ferlinghetti and City Lights partner Shig.

28. City Lights Publication List. 1962.

29. Ferlinghetti. One Thousand Fearful Words For Fidel Castro. 1961.

30. Stanley Geist, editor. French Stories and Tales. 1956.

31. Victor Hugo. Ninety-Three. Introduction by Ann Rand. 1962.

32. Paul Gauguin. Noa Noa: A Journal of the South Seas. Translated from the

French. 1960.

33. Hans Jonas. The Gnostic Religion: The Message of the Alien God and the

Beginnings of Christianity.1967.  (A gift sent to Kerouac from Allen

Ginsberg).

34. Warner Literary Magazine. Spring 1959. Beat Poets Symposium Issue.

35. The San Francisco Earthquake. Summer/Fall 1968. Lit mag.

36. Pa'Lante: New Writing 1962. Magazine of militant poets.

37. Allen Ginsberg. The Moments Return. 1971. (Gift from Allen Ginsberg to

Stella Kerouac)

38. Hermann Hesse. Narcissus and Goldmund. 1968.

39. Dave Godfrey. Death Goes Better With Coca-Cola. 1967.

40. Joseph Heller. Catch-22. 1961.

41. Colonel A.C.M. Azoy. Patriot Battles. 1943.

42. George Cable. Creoles and Cajuns: Stories of Old Louisiana. 1959.

43. J. Wight Duff. A Literary History of Rome in the Silver Age. 1964.

44. Francis X. Talbot. Saint Among The Hurons: The Life of Jean de Brebeuf.

1956.

45. Joseph Campbell, editor. Pagan and Christian Mysteries. 1963.

46. Michael Grant, editor. Roman Readings. 1958.

47. Intrepid. June 1967. Lit Mag.

48. Jargon 31: 14 Poets, 1 Artist. 1958.

49. Climax. Number 1. 1955. Jazz review. Contains Lawrence Lipton piece.

50. LeRoi Jones. Blues People. 1963.

51. Ken Kesey. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. 1962.

52. Seymour Krim. Views of a Nearsighted Cannoneer. 1968.

53. La Boheme. Vol 3, Number 11. (date?) A magazine of French-Canadian poets.

54. Robert Lax. The Circus of the Sun. 1961.

55. Robert Lax. Two Fables. 1961.

56. Timothy Leary. The Politics of Ecstasy. 1968.

57. Norman Mailer. Cannibals and Christians. 1966.

58. Norman Mailer. The Presidential Papers. 1963.

59. Norman Mailer. The Armies of the Night. 1968.

60. The Marquis de Sade. Three Complete Novels and other Writings. 1966.

61. Michael McClosky. Fuck You: A Volume of Short Stories. Self-published.

(date?)

62. Marshall McLuhan. Understanding Media. 1966.

63. Marshall McLuhan. The Gutenberg Galaxy. 1967.

64. Michael McClure. For Artaud. 1959.

65. Thomas Merton. Original Child Bomb -Points For Meditation to be Scratched

on the Walls of a Cave. Large poster.

66. Henry Miller. A Christmas Eve in the Villa Seurat. (German translation)

1960.

67. Henry Miller. The Colossus of Maroussi. (date?)

68. Henry Miller. The Intimate Henry Miller. 1959.

69. Henry Miller. The Air-Conditioned Nightmare. 1945,

70. Frank Morley. The Great North Road: Journey Into History. 1961.

71. Vladimir Nabokov. Lolita. 7th printing (date?)

72. Nomad. Number 7. Summer 1960. Lit Mag

73. Wolf Vostell. Miss Vietnam. 1968.

74. Dick Higgins. A Book About Love & War & Death. 1968.

75. Charles Olson. Projective Verse. 1959.

76. The Open Letter. Number 4. June 1966. Canadian lit Mag.

77. George Plimpton. Paper Lion. 1966. Inscribed by author to Kerouac.

78. Andre Maurors. Proust: A Biography. 1958.

79. Gary Snyder. A Range of Poems.1966.

80. Leo Tolstoy. War and Peace. (date?)

81. Tom Wolfe. The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. 1968.

82. Charles Wright. The Dream Animal. 1968.

83. Yugen. Number 2. 1958. Lit Mag

84. Yugen. Number 3. 1958. Lit Mag  (edited by LeRoi Jones and Hetti Cohen)

 

COPYRIGHT 1992 WATER ROW BOOKS.

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recordings of e.e.cummings are incredible!

though i dont know how many exist, etc.

 

i have only personally heard the first two (non)lecture tapes from the

series "Six Nonlectures". these consist of cummings talking, reading

rather, these nonlectures. very slowly, articulate, refined bostonian?

harvard english. precise poetical useage of language. the first two

lectures tell of his early life, his parents, the first lecture about

his folks mostly is incredibly heartbraking. in the middle of his

autobiographical account he includes a few of his poems, such as the one

(cannot remeber fully) where the lines go something like: "as yes is to

if , love is to yes" then he reads some Wordsworth i believe. the second

Nonlecture tells more happier stories of early life, reads a few of his

springtime poems, concludes with some readings of shakespeare,

swinborne, ol' english chaucer, others, related to Spring theme.

 

if you like e.e. cummings then you should look for these tapes, i

borrowed from a friend who took em out of a library. certainly were

different than my expectations, poems seem more, i dont know, wild on

the page, more controled when read by cummings. the nonlectures are

available i believe in readable form perhaps published after perhaps

before the recordings.

 

from,

Eric

 

"He who claims that everything occurs by necessity has no complaint

against him who claims that everything does not occur by necessity. For

he [the second] makes the very claim by neceesity."  -- Epicurus, or one

of his followers

 

 

On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:07:56 UT Sherri

<love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM> wrote:

 

> Antoine, thanks for these.  the second one is heartbreaking.

>

> ciao, sherri

>

> ----------

> From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Antoine Maloney

> Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:10 PM

> To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject:        Re: Jack Kerouac reading e.e.cummings

>

> Paul,

>

>         That's great of you to do that. Bill's idea is also great...what a

> project!

>

> ...and to all,

>

> Seeing e.e.cummimgs on Jack's reading list forces me to put one of cummings'

> most "beat" poems for everyone to comment on. I haven't ever heard him read,

> but I would love to hear this as he would read it...(have readt it!) Anyone

> ever hear any recordings of him?

>

>         And after it two in honour of Remembrance day. Give these all a

> chance...spare them your too quick delete key!

>

>                         Antoine

>

>         *****************

>

>                                 ....I love the rush at the end of this....

>

> from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)

>

>         pity this busy monster,manunkind,

>

>         not.   Progress is a comfortable disease:

>         your victim(death and life safely beyond)

>

>         plays with the bigness of his littleness

>         ---electrons deify one razorblade

>         into a mountainrange;lenses extend

>

>         unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish

>         returns on its unself.

>                                         A world of made

>         is not a world of born--pity poor flesh

>

>         and trees,poor stars and stones,but never this

>         fine specimen of hypermagical

>

>         ultraomnipotence.     We doctors know

>

>         a hopeless case if--listen:there's a hell

>         of a good universe next door;let's go

>

>

>         *****************

>

>                                 Typed in on Remembrance day after standing

> at the cenotaph at 11:00am

>                                 with men who were in the wars with my Dad,

> my Granda, my Uncles....

>

> from "is 5" (1926)

>

>         look at this)

>         a 75 done

>         this nobody would

>         have believed

>         would they no

>         kidding this was my particular

>

>         pal

>         funny aint

>         it we was

>         buddies

>         i used to

>

>         know

>         him lift the

>         poor cuss

>         tenderly this side up handle

>

>         with care

>         fragile

>         and send him home

>

>         to his old mother in

>         a new pine box

>

>         (collect

>

>                 **************

>

>                                 His anti-war poems are weapons themselves!

> Another....

>

> from "1 x 1" [one times one] (1944)

>

>         plato told

>

>         him;he couldn't

>         believe it(jesus

>

>         told him;he

>         wouldn't believe

>         it)lao

>

>         tsze

>         certainly told

>         him,and general

>         (yes

>

>         mam)

>         sherman;

>         and even

>         (believe it

>         or

>

>         not)you

>         told him;i told

>         him;we told him

>         (he didn't believe it,no

>

>         sir)it took

>         a nipponized bit of

>         the old sixth

>

>         avenue

>         el;in the top of his head:to tell

>

>         him

>

>                                 I can remeber as a kid (probably '52 - '53)

> the big discussion when

>                                 a small toy birdcage - made in japan - broke

> open and was revealed

>                                 to be made of a 'birdseye' pea can.......

>

>                                 read e.e.cummings

>  Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>

>     "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

> cease to be amused."

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sherri- you forgot john clellon holmes, the guy who jack was friends

with in new york and talked about behind his back to cassady in a

letter. i know they shared their work when they were both starving

artists.

on the water row website, they have a book that kerouac wrote a review

for in the beginning in 1958. it's called River of Red Wine (sounds

like a title jk would like) by Jack Micheline.

 

Randall

 

> Ginsberg, Burroughs, Corso, McClure, di Prima, Rexroth, Cassady because they

> were all friends and discussed their work...

>

> Rimbaud (1960 or before)  wrote the poem "Rimbaud" in 1960, it's in "Scattered

> Poems"

>

> Proust, Samuel Johnson, Boswell, Dante, Cervantes, Hesse (Steppenwolf),

> Nietzsche, R. L. Stevenson (Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde) because he mentions them in

> "Big Sur"  (1962) (this may be a partial listing - haven't had a chance to go

> through the entire book)

>

> sherri

>

> ----------

> From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Paul A. Maher Jr.

> Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:01 PM

> To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject:        Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List

>

> Maybe if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the

> info we can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up

> on but most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name

> to the bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of

> contributor if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then

> transfer the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give

> the list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here

> on the list.

>   I was thinking of starting the same kind of list with a chronological

> order to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..

> >                ****************

> >>

> >>>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

> >>>

> >>>  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

> >>>  Shakespeare - everything

> >>>  Thomas Wolfe - everything

> >>>  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

> >>>  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

> >>>  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

> >>>  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

> >>>           Guignol's Band

> >>>  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

> >>>  Jack London

> >>>  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

> >>>  The Bible

> >>>  Indian Scriptures

> >>>  The Buddhist Bible

> >>>  Ernest Hemingway

> >>>  William Faulkner- Pylon

> >>>  Thomas Mann

> >>>  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

> >>>  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

> >>>  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

> >>>  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

> >>>  A number of Buddhist texts

> >>>  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

> >>>  Gogol - Dead Souls

> >>>  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

> >>>  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

> >>>  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

> >>>  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a

> >Young Man

> >>>  John Keats

> >>>  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

> >>>  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

> >>>  Honore de Balzac

> >>>  A Biography of George Washington

> >>>  W.H. Auden

> >>>  Ezra Pound

> >>>  Francois Rabelais

> >>>  William Saroyan

> >>>  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

> >>>  Arthur Rimbaud

> >>>  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

> >>>  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

> >>>  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

> >>>  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

> >>>  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

> >>>  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

> >>>  Kafka - The Castle

> >>>  Edgar Allan Poe

> >>>  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

> >>>  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

> >>>  William Penn - Maxims

> >>>  Greek Philosophy

> >>>  The Shadow

> >>>  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

> >>>  Mark Twain

> >>>  Yeats

> >>>  Gertrude Stein

> >>>  T.S. Eliot

> >>>  Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass

> >    W.H. Auden

> >    e.e. cummings

> >    Emily Dickinson

> >    Henry David Thoreau

> >    Ralph Waldo Emerson

>      Robert Frost (Sherri)

>      42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin) Bill Gargan

> >>>  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

> >>>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had

> >read them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel

> >free to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac

> >Quarterly Web

> >>>Site and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...

> >>>

> >>>                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

> >>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

> >>>                                           Henry David Thoreau

> >>>

> >> Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

> >>

> >>    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

> >>cease to be amused."

> >>

> >"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

> >                                           Henry David Thoreau

> >

> "We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>                                            Henry David Thoreau

>

>

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At 12:55 PM 10/11/97 -0700, Derek wrote:

 

Not sure if this has been addressed (no pun

intended). {;^>

 

>i thought this might interest a few of you.

 

>---------- Forwarded message ----------

>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:20:09 -0500

>From: Al Aronowitz <blackj@bigmagic.com>

>Newsgroups: alt.books.beatgeneration

>Subject: BEAT GENERATION

>

>Wish to invite all those interested in the Beat

>Generation to my website, where I am posting my

>unpublished book, THE BEAT PAPERS OF AL ARONOWITZ,

>which includes a commentary on the death of Allen

>Ginsberg, a discussion by Jack Kerouac and John

>Clellon Holmes on the origins of the term, BEAT

>GENERATION, an interview with Kerouac and his

>mother (annotated by Kerouac himself), an interview

>with Neal Casady in San Quentin Prison (also annotated

>by Kerouac) plus original 1959 interviews

>with other major BG figures.

 

>These are the applicable URLs:

>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column1.html

>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column21.html

>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column22.html

>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column23.html

>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column24.html

>http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/column25.html

 

Uh, got nowhere with these.  Try inserting /blackj/

in the URL's.  Like this.

 

http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column1.html

 

Mike

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Pain

sometimes i am just embarassed for myself

i open and cavernous words come out

words, we wrap ourselves around words

we drink them and they are not water

we tease them letter by letter into our virginas

Like a tape left on at a party,

i hear myself braying praying crippled voice

a word will have a curve to it, a rise

the k and g pack a whallop

i sleep to the letters mmmms and o

string them into a necklace and african safaras march

you hear jack and allen and william

in weary wonderment of majestic life

a broad indian sweeps in the mad room

luther, lois, lana and martha prepare

clark to meet the wild card of nonsense.

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Put your additions at the bottom of the list so that there will be some

organization to this. Thanks, P.

>

>----------

>From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Paul A. Maher Jr.

>Sent:   Tuesday, November 11, 1997 7:01 PM

>To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>Subject:        Re: Jack Kerouac's Partial Reading List

>

>Maybe if we follow Bill Gargan's example and place a date and source for the

>info we can accomplish our own research. Obviously I got a lot to catch up

>on but most of this I knew off the top of my head. I would just add the name

>to the bottom of the list with the appropriate source and name of

>contributor if you'd like. Let's see what we can come up with. I will then

>transfer the list to the web page with credit for the Beat-l. This will give

>the list some publicity as I get a lot of people who visit who aren't here

>on the list.

>  I was thinking of starting the same kind of list with a chronological

>order to Jack's road trips and persoanl residences. Paul..

>>                ****************

>>>

>>>>A Partial Reading list of Jack Kerouac that is documented here and there:

>>>>

>>>>  Galsworthy: Forsyte Saga

>>>>  Shakespeare - everything

>>>>  Thomas Wolfe - everything

>>>>  D.H. Lawrence - The Rainbow

>>>>  William Blake - Marriage of Heaven and Hell

>>>>  Oswald Spengler - The Decline of the West

>>>>  Celine - Journey To the End of the Night, Death On the Installment Plan,

>>>>           Guignol's Band

>>>>  Melville - Omoo, Typee, Billy Budd, Moby Dick, Encantandas

>>>>  Jack London

>>>>  Vladamir Nabokov - Lolita

>>>>  The Bible

>>>>  Indian Scriptures

>>>>  The Buddhist Bible

>>>>  Ernest Hemingway

>>>>  William Faulkner- Pylon

>>>>  Thomas Mann

>>>>  Alain Fournier - Le Grand Meaulnes

>>>>  Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe

>>>>  Edward Spenser - Complete Poems

>>>>  Matthew Arnold - Study of Celtic Literature

>>>>  A number of Buddhist texts

>>>>  Fyodor Dostoevsky - probably everything

>>>>  Gogol - Dead Souls

>>>>  Theodore Dreiser - Sister Carrie

>>>>  Lawrence Ferlinghetti

>>>>  Gustave Flaubert - Salammbo

>>>>  James Joyce - Ulysses, Finnehan's Wake, Portrait of the Artist As a

>>Young Man

>>>>  John Keats

>>>>  Lin Yutang - Wisdom of China and India

>>>>  Francis Parkman - The Oregon Trail

>>>>  Honore de Balzac

>>>>  A Biography of George Washington

>>>>  W.H. Auden

>>>>  Ezra Pound

>>>>  Francois Rabelais

>>>>  William Saroyan

>>>>  Alan Harrington - The Secret Swinger

>>>>  Arthur Rimbaud

>>>>  The Tibetan Book of the Dead

>>>>  John Reed - Ten Days That Shook the World

>>>>  Leo Tolstoy - War and Peace

>>>>  H.G. Wells - The Outline of History, The Science of Life

>>>>  John Steinbeck - East of Eden

>>>>  Giovanni Boccacio - The Decameron

>>>>  Kafka - The Castle

>>>>  Edgar Allan Poe

>>>>  Jean Cocteau - Opium, The Blood of a Poet

>>>>  Stendahl - The Red and the Black

>>>>  William Penn - Maxims

>>>>  Greek Philosophy

>>>>  The Shadow

>>>>  William Reich - The Function of the Orgasm

>>>>  Mark Twain

>>>>  Yeats

>>>>  Gertrude Stein

>>>>  T.S. Eliot

>>>>  Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass

>>    W.H. Auden

>>    e.e. cummings

>>    Emily Dickinson

>>    Henry David Thoreau

>>    Ralph Waldo Emerson

>     Robert Frost (Sherri)

>     42nd Parallel (Letter to Alfred Kazin) Bill Gargan

>>>>  Now this does not mean that he was influenced by all this...he is simply

>>>>documented in journals, letters, notebooks etc.in his own hand that he had

>>read them. Some he didn't like, such as Gertrude Stein and T.S. Eliot. feel

>>free to add to this list and I will post a final version on The Kerouac

>>Quarterly Web

>>>>Site and the quarterly. Thanks, Paul...

>>>>

>>>>                 (courtesy of The Kerouac Quarterly)

>>>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>>>>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>>>>

>>> Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

>>>

>>>    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

>>>cease to be amused."

>>>

>>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>>

>"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

>                                           Henry David Thoreau

>

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

 



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